Speaker 1: Welcome to another episode of the Chicks on the Right podcast.
Very excited today because we have a guest who our
audience is going to be real familiar with. They've seen
us play clips of Aaron Mullin on our show. She
is a former Sky News TV host, radio host and columnist,
and now, of course she has her incredible podcast, The
Aaron Mullin Show. And just like us, you cover political
you cover cultural news stories, you feature amazing guests, including
the son of Hamas leader Mosab Hassan Yusef, and you,
just like us, are a strong supporter of Israel, and
you speak about that support often. So we wanted to
ask you, first and foremost, what prompted you, as a
Roman Catholic to speak out so strongly for the Jewish people.
Speaker 2: Well, thank you, first of all, so very much for
having me on your show. I'm such a big fan,
and yeah, without sounding silly, I've been so excited to
do this and I just think you girls are absolutely amazing,
So thank you, Thank you so much for having me
on Israel. It's such a I mean, the question itself
is so ridiculous in so many ways, given how obvious
it was to me. Yet there's a reason you have
to ask it, because you could count on one hand
essentially the number of us who stood staunchly alongside this
nation post October seven, particularly, and that is mind blowing
to me. I was a TV host who hosted a show,
an opinion show. It was called Errand So it was
a show in my opinion, and it was my job
to tell people what I thought, not just about things
happening domestically in Australia, but internationally globally, you know, world
events essentially. So I got on my show and I
did exactly that. And it wasn't kind of a period
prior where I sat down and thought, now let me
write a list a mask Israel. I mean, you know,
it was so obvious to me who was evil and
who was good. And when I say good, that doesn't
infer perfection, that doesn't infer the government's made every decision right,
you know, the obvious with when you say anyone is
a good person, you're not inferring that they are without flaws.
But it was very obvious to me where I stood.
So I went on my TV show and absolutely condemned
the atrocities of that day and stood staunchly alongside the
nation that was the victim of those atrocities and the reaction.
I couldn't have picked it in a million years, and
I'd had my doubts about certain sections of Australian society
and global society, but to see it kind of come
out in the most terrific of ways in terms of
just this evil, angry, threatening response was just, you know,
really terrified me. But I was used to that in
some ways, ladies, in that I've been in the public
eye for twenty years. I was the first woman to
host different sporting events and football and rugby in Australia,
so you know, people get fired up about that. But
those people were the ones in Mummy's basement that would
never have followed through the people in this space that
sends you kind of things. You think, Okay, this is
an ideology and this is something that you may follow
through with. So it was very confronting, but of course,
as you would have done, I have no doubt, and
as you did. The next week, I got up and
I went harder because I think the reaction almost terrified
me more than the events themselves. And I looked at
the Sydney Opera House two days after prior to one
IDF boot hitting in the ground in Gaza, so absolutely
no element of care for the people of Gaza. At
that rally, it was pure Jew Israel hatred, calling for
the deaths of more Jews. It was utterly abhorred, and
the reaction of our country was I mean, I'm a
very proud Australian. My dad was a major general, was
a senator, I'm a huge patriot as you call it
in America.
Speaker 3: But that was the first time I felt shame at
my country.
Speaker 2: Not so much what that small group of people did,
because you're going to have pockets of people that are
like that in every country. You'll never entirely rid yourselves
of them. It was a reaction of the masses, the
silence of my fellow Australians that terrified me. And that's
when I thought, we've got a problem. We've got a
real problem.
Speaker 4: And it seems obvious. Like you say, it's obvious to you,
it's obvious, as why is it obvious to other people?
And do you think they're just going along with the
crowd like they're afraid a lot of these people or me,
because listen, I know a lot of them are full
of hate, which is crazy to me, Like there's a
reason for that, but then there's also a reason for
people just being silent too. So I'm just I'm dumbfounded
a lot of times, but I'm just okay, people doing
what are you doing? What is what's going on?
Speaker 2: It's so interesting, isn't it? And I am, like a
lot of politicians, I'm really good at pointing out the problem.
But don't ask me for a solution.
Speaker 3: I don't know, you figure it out. I mean, just
talk about the things that are wrong.
Speaker 2: But I think it's multi pronged in this, and I
in some ways I think less of them believe it,
and less of them are evil, and less of them
subscribe to terrorist ideologies. But I feel like, look at
the way we raise kids, look at what our vucation
system does, Look at what we teach kids, which is
that we are evil, We are racist, we are colonizers,
don't have pride in who and what we are.
Speaker 3: We're bad people.
Speaker 2: So how could you expect anyone to feel pride in
anything or to push back or you know, we've ruined
generations of kids with this woke ideology that says to them,
this country's people are predominantly one race or one color
the other country, even though they have a lot of
people of that similar race and color, also have some
white people. So they're the bad people. So jump on board.
And we don't give our kids purpose, you know, and
the only purpose we give them is to dislike who
we are and to not have pride. I think there's
so many different issues. I think most just don't have capacity.
And when you look at the mainstream media, so in Australia,
I kind of I break them into two categories overall,
and that's there are the malicious, evil ones who subscribe
to this ideology. You'll never win them over, you don't
want them. They're dangerous, A very small group. I look
at the rest and I think, you know, I'm a
single mom in her forties, very very low forties, soties.
Speaker 3: I mean, I really want thank you.
Speaker 2: But what I do when I'm talking to people and
doing my videos and my show is I'm trying to
reach that single mom who's you know, forty five, three kids,
no capacity to do what I do every day, which
is look into it, speak to people, research, look at
multiple sources. She's getting her news from the six pm
news every night, if that, if she's not doing a
night shift, or she's not dealing with something with the kids,
her husband's an asshole. It's a lack of capacity to
look deeper when mainstream media is not doing their job,
which is just giving people facts. We've now got mainstream
media that is feeding people her musk talking points. So
I look at a country that it's the highest rating
program in the country, six PM News, and one of
the headlines was during the hostage prisoner exchange and the
way that they had framed this again the number one
news program in the country. So most Australians who are
not invested or engaged watch these and it frames their
narrative and it was something to the effect of a
man on his brother's shoulders, tears flowing, and the reporter's
words the voiceover was a family reunion decades in the making.
The guy's crying, the mom's crying. You know, this man
was kept in prison for ten years, didn't see his children.
The kids are crying, everyone's crying, mother's crying. You're at home,
everyone's crying because this is so sad. How could Israel
keep this guy away from his family. They don't tell
you he blew up a bus and killed kids, you know,
and then it's oh, and some other prisoners were swapped out,
and then you see the Israeli hostages, and you go,
they are not prisoners. There is no moral equivalence between
the two. But suddenly, and you know, you can't argue
it wasn't actually incorrect in that it was a family
reunion decades in the making. His kids were crying, his
mother was crying. But you got to tell people why
this blake was in a prison or the empathy naturally
lays and fools with them, and they were the Palestinians.
So what chance do we have when mainstream meteor is
feeding that drivel out to people.
Speaker 1: One of the I mean when you had the son
of that Hammas leader on your show, that was actually
one of the clips that we played of you becoming
so emotional, and I mean we were too watching it
because we you could just feel how deeply you feel
about this issue, and I know speaking with him really
brought that out, because you know, of all people to
be on the right side, you would not expect it
to be from the son of.
Speaker 4: A Hammas leader.
Speaker 1: Talk about that moment if you would and just tell
us where your head was when you were listening to him.
Speaker 3: That's actually and thank you.
Speaker 2: I have never been asked about that moment, and I
I don't know if people actually really understand what my
pain was about. And I've never spoken about it because
it's a personal pain, as in I look at the
world and how much tragedy in trauma, and the reason
I was so upset feels very selfish and petty, and
it was more just about my own experience. And I'll
explain that to you in that he's phenomenal and to
have someone who is part of building this up, who
knows it inside and out, who says that what we
all say is absolutely spot on, and there's nothing to
gain for him. He only loses out of this in
so many ways, apart from the ways you know that
really matter, which is you're doing the right thing and
you go to bed at night knowing that you're on
the right side of history, but in terms of lifestyle
and money and not having your life threatened every day,
he's losing out of this, but he's willing to do it.
And I think for me, I look back over the
past year, the past two years, and I'm someone that
previously was someone in this country that you know, I
felt very loved and respected. I had always been, you know,
called very popular in the news, to popular TVO's popular
radio host. I'd done so much for charity over so
many years. I was renowned for doing too much. You know,
my bosses at Channel nine will get annoyed with me
because they'd say, you're depleting the impact.
Speaker 3: You can't say no to any charity.
Speaker 2: So I'd have you know, twenty two charities in my
bio because but little Bobby couldn't go without my support.
And you know, I just so, I'm a bleeding heart.
I have more empathy than I know what to do with.
And I'm not saying I'm mother Teresa. But what I've
seen happen over the last couple of years is this
sudden categorization of me is some kind of extremist, some nutcase,
some awful baby killer, someone who doesn't care, someone who
you know, things that and believe you me, I block
it all out. I genuinely couldn't care less most of
the time. But I think at that moment, just having
reassurance from him that I wasn't the things that some
people say that I am and all the other stuff. Again,
I'm so used to this unbattle hardened in this space.
But that the emotion for me was I think, just
you know, I never stop and say, oh God, I'm
so sad that pr companies don't send me gifts anymore.
You know they used to send me And think a week,
no one sends me product anymore because they're terrified I'll
tag them on Instagram. And I know it's not a
big deal, and it's not, but there's a part of
me that that also just and friends that I used
to have who don't want to be seen with me,
and and you know, companies they used to work for
that that cut me off because all of a sudden,
I stand against terror alongside a group of innocent people
who are the victims of that terror, and I just
but it's so ridiculous. And even you know, I did
a magazine cover here and a couple of the feminists
pro Palestinians just went so hard at every makeup artist
who'd you know, done a lick of foundation on my
cheek or and tried to destroy them all. And so
then the company panicked and pulled it down. And I'm
just they're going tell me one thing I've ever said
that it's controversial, but they buckled and anyway, it was
all these things that just I think hit me at
that moment, and I was so sad that this wasn't
just a mainstream reaction, and I think so for me,
and it's lonely, it can be really lonely, you know.
I've this space is really lonely sometimes, and I think
you go through phases. But there's no doubt in my
mind that what I stand from, what I fight for
is one hundred percent right. It is one hundred percent true.
What I say is one hundred percent true, and I
will stand by that forever. But there are times that
I've really difficult, and there are times when I look
at my little girl and I know that what I
do puts her in danger. And there are times when
I look at my life and you know, I'm single,
and I've been single this year, first time ever, and
it's been heaven. It's been the greatest existence of my life.
But there's also a part of me that looks back
to the life that I had and a lot of
the changes are due to this space, and I just,
you know, I think it was a culmination of emotions
that came out in that moment because I just thought,
there's no one more qualified when I feel a little
bit low to think about if it's getting to me
a little bit to think, no, no, you're good, you
are right, and the hordes of noises and the assholes
and the you know, the mob who tried to chante
otherwise and try to convince others otherwise don't matter.
Speaker 4: Yeah, and your daughter is going to grow up one
day and know that you were right and that you did.
I think that was that was worth it. You fought
you were one of the strong lives me, you know,
and pro Palestinian women are not feminists.
Speaker 5: Hello, like a fact, and listen, I command you feminists, right,
And I totally I commend you because I could not
do what we do every day if I didn't have
her to bounce things off.
Speaker 4: Quit this a long time ago, So I do commend you.
Doing it alone is tough. It's really tough. This is
a tough space, especially for right because you get beat
up and it really is.
Speaker 2: Yeah, but you also and I say that, and I've
said I've never shared that particular bit just because you know,
I'm definitely not a victim, and I choose this space,
and I love this space so much. I feel like
what we do is making a difference. I feel like
it's helping to build a better world for my little girl,
for your kids, for everyone, for everyone's kids. It's the irony,
including Muslim kids in Gaza, for everyone. You know, you
can't fix the situation, and if you're lying about why
it exists, you know.
Speaker 3: And I know you.
Speaker 1: I could see there was a video I saw of you,
like in the wake of the terrorist attack in Australia
on the first day of Hanukkah, and you were fairly
close to that if I'm not mistaken, and I know
you have, I could see you going through those same
thoughts in your head about your daughter and whether what
you do puts her in danger. I mean, like you,
you were very raw in that video, like in the
immediate aftermath. So how close were you to the actual
attack and has there been any shift in that tone
that you have felt that you describe in Australia since,
I mean, has that changed people's perspective at all?
Speaker 3: Look, it's a great question.
Speaker 2: I think yes and no, which I know is not
an overly telling answer, but I'll explain what I mean
to you.
Speaker 3: For Sata is very close.
Speaker 2: So we heard the gunshots on the balcony here where
I live, and this is the kind of thing that
just doesn't happen in Australia. But there was not one
part of me that felt surprise, shock. Absolutely, But this
has been coming and coming and coming, and we have
been screaming from the rooftops regarding this issue since October nine,
since the Opera House, because not one area that had
any power to act, to act as a deterrent to
punish someone who was there, and not for free speech
that was not free speech. Hate speech is illegal in
this country. Calling for harm to others is illegal in
this country. Not one person at the Opera House faced
or suffered a consequence off the back of that. And
I know, I mean, you look at history. If people
aren't stopped early on, it leads to things like what
we saw in Bondai. And we've just had weak leadership.
We've had incident after incident, the Harbor Bridge, for example,
one hundred thousand people marching across that purporting to be
you know, humanitarian fighters with a bloody poster of you know,
a terrorist that murdered ten thousand people, or the flag
of Isis or al kaider, you know, posters and slogans
death to Jews, death to the IDF, marching across the
Harbor bridge. And we had politicians leading at the front,
elected politicians at the front, giving it legitimacy, giving it credibility.
Our Prime minister, you know, inferred that it was a
moment of pride. You know we recognized a Palestinian state.
Well that's wonderful. Congratulations Hamas. Here is your reward on
a platter. And if you don't think any of those things,
then contribute to someone becoming emboldened and thinking, not only
will this country not stop me from getting to my goal,
which is to cause death. Yes, I'll be stopped and
killed after that, but I know that I can do
all the things that lead up to that without anyone
stopping me whatsoever. Yeah, I almost feel like most people
here will agree with me. They know I'm right. Look
at the Prime minister. He thinks Israel is awful, he
thinks Jews are really you know, you've got those kind
of things coming together. And in the days after, of course,
you know, sit there and see all these posts on
Instagram from people who have not set a peep in
two years.
Speaker 3: I stand with the Jewish community.
Speaker 2: But then of course it completely people move on three
four days later and of course it goes back to normal.
And I think, you know, in the week after we'd
had a six hundred percent increase in anti Semitic incidents
in this country off the back of a ten year
old girl being shot like an animal at a bench.
Speaker 3: So I just a part to me that just thinks,
what's the point, you know, what hope do we have?
Speaker 2: And there's a big call and a push for a
Royal commission here, which we need. And I'm normally not
not a huge fan of them because they're costly, they
take a long time. You know, it might be two
years before we kind of get to any findings. But
in this instance, what the Prime Minister wants to do
is basically just do a little like, you know, a
little kiddy check of you know that Manila foldy.
Speaker 3: Yeah, sure, have a look at that. Yeah, Oh, investigation done.
Speaker 2: Like that's the level that they're looking at now because
they are terrified, they don't want anything to have access
to any of their emails, text messages, conversations, a Royal
Commission will access everything. And I can tell you and
I I've got some fairly good sources in different governments
at certainly high levels, and they are stuffed when it
comes to this in terms of failings on so many
levels that have led us to this point.
Speaker 4: Yeah, yeah, I this is switching gears a little bit.
But I just here in the States. I don't know
much about how it is in Australia. I assume it's
probably a little bit similar. But here in the States
we have a bunch of people who are Catholic, and well,
at least they say they're Catholic.
Speaker 3: I don't know. I'll just say they're Catholic.
Speaker 4: But they they say they use the whole chrisis.
Speaker 2: Both watching the screen. It's really hard when you have
to bring your using it out.
Speaker 3: It's grain.
Speaker 2: We're so close assuming it out of screen for like
the fence podcasting them.
Speaker 3: I'm being sarcastic.
Speaker 4: Right here, right here, but they do the whole crisis
King thing. They do that in their bios. They put
it like they make it part of their persona and
they say cristis King. There are some podcasters that do
that too, and and they use that as sort of
like a, I don't know, it's part of their persona,
you know, and it's and it's anti Semitic. It's a
sort of a banner for high I'm antisemitic.
Speaker 3: Hey, I don't like the Jews.
Speaker 4: And and listen, we know Catholics who are not that way,
and they're like, that's not cool because they've hijacked Catholicism
under the guise of the christis King thing. Just can
you speak to that a little bit as a Catholic
because I'm not Catholic. I'm Christian, I'm just not Catholic.
And so what do you think about that?
Speaker 3: Yeah, look, I despise it.
Speaker 2: I think any manipulation of our religion to hate on
others I think is appalling. I think it almost doesn't
get any lower than that. But we're seeing it everywhere,
aren't we. And again, look at that emboldenment by people
with high profiles, by people who maybe once had legitimacy.
And this is why you look the types who push
this kind of stuff and are really vocal about it
at the moment. A lot of them have come from
places and positions where they were respected and respected by
conservatives and respected by people on the right, So they
kind of they're more dangerous than any kind of grift
that's just come up. It's always been sbouting this kind
of thing. You know, they spent twenty years. It's almost like,
was this a you look at the Muslim Brotherhood plan
when they're looking to go and spread their tentacles and
they tell you exactly what they're doing. They go into places,
they infiltrate slowly but surely, even politely at times, and
they get into your schools and your social media and
did it. And then once they're in Blair and I
feel like, in some ways, you look at these people
who have looked for twenty years, I'm going to go
on Fox and I'm going to pretend to be legitimate
and credible and you know, not be batchel crazy. And
then when I've got you all, I'm born.
Speaker 4: Yeah.
Speaker 2: Yeah, like that's what it feels like to me. And
we're seeing more and more of it. Yeah, So they're
the ones that are dangerous rather than someone who just
comes out of nowhere or someone who's been doing it
for twenty years. So I think it's I think it's appalling,
and you know, same as same as as Muslim communities.
I look at one of the things I always talk about,
and I grew up in Indonesia, which is the world's
largest Islamic nation. I speak the language fluently. Hello, Apakabaragi
and mumblisso so to my wonderful Indonesian followers. But they're
an incredible nation and incredible people. And what I often
do is call on them to use their voices more
to come out against Islamic extremism, because privately they'll tell
me they hate it more than anyone else. You look
at Indonesia as a country and Widdo, the former president,
did the most phenomenal job in all but eradicating it.
They had a two pronged approach to Islamic extremism, the
world's largest Muslim country. It is not racist or Islamophobic
to want to rid yourselves of this evil. The world's
largest Islamic nation made it a policy priority. Yet here
in the West where going, oh, we don't want to
offend them. No, they know how destructive it is. They
don't want it. Moderate everyday Muslims don't want it. So
I look at that as well, with what the hijacking
of Catholicism and different elements of Christianity and more of
us need to come out and say no, not on
my watch. That doesn't represent my religion.
Speaker 3: And I feel like we're not getting enough of that
flat back either. Yes, how did I have to know? Though?
Speaker 4: Like?
Speaker 3: What did they do? What is everybody else doing wrong?
Speaker 1: That Indonesia got so right?
Speaker 3: Do you know what? It is? So simple?
Speaker 2: So the actual way in which they did it was
double pronged. It was super tough, uncompromising on penalties. If
you committed an act of terrorism, sayerl outa warrior, that's
it done. The other end was kids, early young, with
the indoctrination getting it out of them, this kind of
educational softly but surely so. Down the bottom, it was
gentle up the top. No prison has taken tough. But
I tell you what, that's not even what made it successful.
They named it, they were willing to talk about it.
They were willing to say we have a problem. Our
prime minister won't say Islamic extremism. And my dad used
to say, you can't defeat an evil that you don't understand.
And I take that, I mean on an even simpler sense,
if you can't name it, how the hell are you
going to defeat it. And this is why the West
is so ridiculous in so many ways. They are so
terrified of offending Muslims in my country in Australia because
they think, oh, oh, if we talk about Islamic extremism,
when they did when the Catholic Church was having huge
issues with child abuse. As a Catholic, I was not
sitting there every time it was on the news about
some priests haven't been found out to do something horrific.
I wasn't going how dare they mention that that priest
is Catholic? Everyone I'm going to think No, I said, yes,
get him out of my church.
Speaker 3: He doesn't stand for us.
Speaker 2: That is not who we are. I was so supportive
of any action that would rid the church. I wanted
to find out everything so we could make it better.
So what I'm saying is this whole fear of not
wanting to offend. No nobody should be offended by you
wanting to eradicate Islamic extremism or any kind of extremism
from your country. So in Indonesia, they don't worry about
people's feelings or the feelings of everyday Muslims. They're like, yeah,
get it out. It affects tourism, it affects our economy,
it affects our kids' lives, get it out. Get In Australia,
we're like ooh oh no, no, but not say it.
Oh right winging, right wing's the problem. Prime Minister was
just a man with the nicest flag. But right wing,
right wing.
Speaker 3: My gosh, it's just it's it's so silly, it makes
no sense.
Speaker 4: They always want to call you like an ISLAMI fob
or whatever.
Speaker 3: I mean.
Speaker 4: The only people that are that are offended by calling
out terrorism are the people that like terrorists.
Speaker 3: Exactly right.
Speaker 2: And if you're a friend, you know, if you worry
about their feelings, God, what a blessed and privileged life
you lead. I'm sitting with all the hates, I get
with all the you know, I for five or six
years now, I just haven't read I don't read things
on it. Look at things, you obviously sometimes see them.
If I want to look at someone, I look at
who they cheer for, and I go, what a badge
of honor that you think that I'm a two bit?
Speaker 3: You know whatever it is? Yeah, what a badge of honor? Yep,
that's right.
Speaker 1: Well, and so I hope that one of your takeaways
from our time with you today is that you are
not alone.
Speaker 4: With you.
Speaker 3: It's not wead. I mean, I could do the kind
of honey boiler I find you. I mean, are a
three way show looking cute. It's true.
Speaker 4: Listen, if you're ever in Texas, you look me up,
you can come hang.
Speaker 2: Out that except can I be honest you because here
I'll say I'd love that. I am the biggest loaner.
I find people exhausting kind of okay, I love that
because I avoid it, like totally.
Speaker 4: Like okay, Well, if you don't get it, if you
just want to like hang out with us on the
font like on just like this, just that would be amazing,
wells or in our sweats.
Speaker 3: That's what we want. Honestly, I can't do you drink
wine and perceptive that total. I would love to do that.
I would love to We have loved having you.
Speaker 1: Please let our audience know they probably already do, but
please let them know anyway how they can follow you.
Speaker 2: Oh bless you look YouTube, the Aaron Mullin Show, on
the podcast of course, as well Instagram, X, I mean, Facebook, everywhere.
Do you remember like, I used to think this would
be so sad. I used to look at kind of independence.
Oh god, see I just did it listening on the podcast. Right,
that's my biggest take. I used to look at independence
and be like, that's so sad they can't make it
in mainstream.
Speaker 3: Now I'm the complete opposite. This is this, it's everything, and.
Speaker 2: The reap is tenfold to anything I ever got in mainstream,
and it's it's just it's phenomenal. So follow, share, watch
even if you hate me, hate watch because.
Speaker 3: That views out.
Speaker 1: Yes, thank you so much for being with us.
Speaker 3: Bless you, thank you,