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Speaker 3: Oh hello it's that frog singing on your porch, Ali
Speaker 3: Ward and welcome Desmologies. Here's the deal. Smologies are small.
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Speaker 3: worth it. It's such a good episode. But this is
Speaker 3: a smologies version. It's rated G for general audience, and
Speaker 3: it's really good and it's shorter. So this episode was
Speaker 3: recorded in beautiful Hawaii. Her ever heard of it? A
Speaker 3: few weeks ago? You're about to just get an ear
Speaker 3: full of coral. Now all I want to do is
Speaker 3: stare at videos of coral. Honestly, I used to just
Speaker 3: consider them to be like the really plucky, kind of
Speaker 3: quirky settings of a snorkeling joant, kind of like a
Speaker 3: like a splashy backdrop in it community theater play, Like,
Speaker 3: oh that's nice, but you know what's happening in front
Speaker 3: of them? What kind of fish do we have? O contrare?
Speaker 3: After this episode you'll be like, move out of the way, fish.
Speaker 3: I'm staring at a polyp and yeah, it's totally fun.
Speaker 3: If you don't know what a polyp is, we will
Speaker 3: get to that, Okay. Nidariology totally a word. It's a
Speaker 3: well documented, legit term. It's a study of animals. There
Speaker 3: are over ten thousand species who have nitosites, which are
Speaker 3: these specialized cells for catching prey?
Speaker 4: And where does this.
Speaker 3: Lovely, silent, consonant, weird word come from. It looks like
Speaker 3: when your mom tries to weasel a fake term into
Speaker 3: a words with friends play and you're like, no way, Nancy,
Speaker 3: that's not enough vowels. But it comes from the old
Speaker 3: Latin need day, which means a nettle, and it might
Speaker 3: also have ties to old Latvian and Lithuanian words meaning
Speaker 3: to itch and to tickle. So corals are Nigerians. They're
Speaker 3: underwater animals that poses these kind of beautiful plant looking
Speaker 3: things from Mars, and they want to just tickle you
Speaker 3: to death. I'm already sold. I already love them. But
Speaker 3: let's hear more. This ologists got his bachelor's at UC
Speaker 3: Santa Cruz, double majoring in environmental studies and feminist studies,
Speaker 3: got his Masters in Biology and ecology evolution and conservation
Speaker 3: biology in San Francisco, and is working toward his PhD
Speaker 3: right now at this Famed Gates Lab at the University
Speaker 3: of Hawaii, Manoa and the Hawaiian Institute of Marine Biology.
Speaker 3: Just a little update. On July sixteenth, twenty twenty one,
Speaker 3: this PhD candidate became a doctor, successfully defending his PhD
Speaker 3: via the Gates lab. The gate flab is a coral lab.
Speaker 3: This dude has his hands full the coral. We're in
Speaker 3: the middle of a spawning event. That very weak, but
Speaker 3: he is amazing and took an hour out of his
Speaker 3: day to come to my hotel and chat about quarrels.
Speaker 3: We talked about what coral even is, why they're important,
Speaker 3: what a dead reef looks like, what's up with sunscreens,
Speaker 3: what is bleaching? And what else can we do to
Speaker 3: help our hard, squishy pals beneath the sea, So anchor down.
Speaker 3: Get ready for a wave of coral info with the
Speaker 3: amazing nidariologist, doctor Shale Matsudas algy pology.
Speaker 4: Algy And you are a nidariologist.
Speaker 5: Right, sure? I was thinking about that. Are coralologists? Maybe?
Speaker 4: Coral? I mean, is our corals, nidaria.
Speaker 5: Narians, the file them they're part of. And what unites
Speaker 5: all of those animals is their stinging cells, their nitocytes.
Speaker 4: Oh that's the common thread red.
Speaker 5: Yeah, So like anemonees or jellyfish and corals, I'll produce
Speaker 5: these little stinging cells of the use in defense or
Speaker 5: prey capture.
Speaker 3: I've already learned so much about corals. I didn't know
Speaker 3: that they got little stinkies. And so what exactly is
Speaker 3: a coral?
Speaker 5: That's a great question that we think about all the time. Actually,
Speaker 5: So corals are animals first and foremost, But the corals,
Speaker 5: when you think of a coral reef, corals, they're much
Speaker 5: more than like the sum of their parts. So the
Speaker 5: coral animal looks white. They have clear tissues, and they
Speaker 5: secrete white calcium carbonate skeleton. But the reason that when
Speaker 5: you're snorkling around a coral reef, they don't appear white
Speaker 5: to us is because they have a symbiotic algae which
Speaker 5: live inside their tissues that provide up to like ninety
Speaker 5: five percent of their daily nutritional needs. And the algae
Speaker 5: is color themselves are what we're looking at when we
Speaker 5: see corals.
Speaker 4: Oh my god.
Speaker 5: And just like you and me, corals also have a microbiome.
Speaker 5: They have bacteria that live inside of their tissues that
Speaker 5: also play a lot of really important roles.
Speaker 4: Now, what is with them being.
Speaker 3: A skin bag?
Speaker 5: This is like the hardest question I know. It's like, oh, man, Like,
Speaker 5: we have a term for this. It's called the coral holobiont,
Speaker 5: and that is like the coral animal itself. It's symbiotic algae,
Speaker 5: it's bacteria, they're fungi, they're a kia. There are a
Speaker 5: lot of different obligate symbionts that these corals have that
Speaker 5: are critical for their life and function.
Speaker 3: So it's kind of like a skeleton, a soupy mix
Speaker 3: of goodness, and then like a little transparent skin over.
Speaker 5: It, and then trans parent skin is the animal itself.
Speaker 3: If you're like, what is an obligate symbiont? Those are
Speaker 3: giant words.
Speaker 4: I hear you.
Speaker 3: That's why I'm here. So it essentially means a friend
Speaker 3: that I could not live without. So all these critters
Speaker 3: that live in the coral's body are its best friends.
Speaker 3: They are obligate. That means they're super necessary symbionts. They
Speaker 3: live together.
Speaker 5: So let's recap So if just like trees that grow
Speaker 5: in the forest, if you count their rings, you go
Speaker 5: an idea of how old they are. Corals actually work
Speaker 5: the same way where they are constantly secreting this calcium
Speaker 5: carbonate skeleton and growing, and researchers will actually take a
Speaker 5: core of that skeleton and you can actually count the
Speaker 5: different layers and get an idea of the age of
Speaker 5: the corals and also what was going on on the
Speaker 5: planet at the time.
Speaker 3: Oh my gosh, if you're wondering, where are corals, I
Speaker 3: asked corals dot org and it said essentially around the
Speaker 3: equator plus where currents flow out of the tropics, like
Speaker 3: in Florida and southern Japan. It's a little bit warmer.
Speaker 3: They make up zero point two percent of the ocean floor,
Speaker 3: but they're home to this, in my mind, twenty five
Speaker 3: percent of marine life. What so, if sea animals were
Speaker 3: like the cool kids, the coral reefs would be like
Speaker 3: the mall if this were a movie from the eighties.
Speaker 3: When you're doing research, is it ever difficult for you
Speaker 3: to say, Okay, all right, chill, we're done, We're get
Speaker 3: out of the water.
Speaker 4: Are you like one word?
Speaker 5: Oh? Yeah, absolutely. So it's always still really nice to
Speaker 5: go out when you're not working and just really appreciate,
Speaker 5: you know, how lucky we are to be able to
Speaker 5: see these environments. You know, I've worked with researchers who
Speaker 5: you know, I'll go to a coral reef and I'll say,
Speaker 5: this is beautiful. Look at all the diversity here. And
Speaker 5: they'll be like, you should have seen it twenty years ago,
Speaker 5: because they're seeing these changes at such a rapid pace
Speaker 5: that we're witnessing them in our lifetimes. And that's that's new. Yeah,
Speaker 5: So we haven't really talked about like what coral bleaching is.
Speaker 5: So corals, you know, have these symbiotic algae that are
Speaker 5: oblget that means they're required for the corals to live.
Speaker 5: They provide to ninety five percent of their daily nutritional needs.
Speaker 5: And when the temperatures are good, everything is happy.
Speaker 1: You know.
Speaker 5: The corals get what they need, the symbios get what
Speaker 5: they need. But when the water temperature rises it's just
Speaker 5: even slightly above that thermal maximum that the corals can handle,
Speaker 5: the corals are starting to stress out. I'm freaking out,
Speaker 5: and one of their stress responses is to expel. These
Speaker 5: algae are so kind of how we get sick. We'll
Speaker 5: get a fever, and that's good, it's helping. It's our
Speaker 5: body's way of helping protect us. But if that fever
Speaker 5: gets too high or it is not for too long,
Speaker 5: that can actually be detrimental to us. And the same
Speaker 5: thing's true with coral bleaching. So as the corals are
Speaker 5: purging out these algal symbionts. It's not just all at
Speaker 5: a time. You can watch a coral start to pale,
Speaker 5: losing its color, right because as somebian s leave, that
Speaker 5: white skeleton showing through. And then as that's happening, the
Speaker 5: longer goes on, the corals aren't getting the energy and
Speaker 5: they can begin to starve.
Speaker 3: Okay, so under temperature stressors, corals toss their internal friends
Speaker 3: and they bleach because they lose that color. So they're
Speaker 3: not dead, but they're certainly weaker and they're in danger.
Speaker 3: It is not cute. Shale says that some corals even
Speaker 3: need both bacteria and certain viruses present to survive these
Speaker 3: thermal events, so the symbiotic connections go deep. They get
Speaker 3: complicated things that a coral party just aren't the same
Speaker 3: without both bacteria and viruses.
Speaker 5: And what you'll see is if you should go out
Speaker 5: into the to a coral reef when this is happening,
Speaker 5: if you see these corals that are white, you're seeing
Speaker 5: that skeleton through the tissue, but the tissue still there.
Speaker 5: The corals are still alive. And if that stressor leaves,
Speaker 5: the corals have a chance to recover those symbio communities
Speaker 5: can proliferate again and the corals they'll repigment and be okay.
Speaker 5: But if that stressor goes on too long, the corals
Speaker 5: can die. And we've seen this happen on massive scales
Speaker 5: on a reef. And also some corals aren't bleaching some individuals,
Speaker 5: like in Kanye Bay during the twenty fourteen to twenty
Speaker 5: fifteen bleaching events that we had, there'd be two corals
Speaker 5: the exact same species, right next to each other, like
Speaker 5: touching on the reef, and one of them would be
Speaker 5: bleached and one of them would be visibly totally normal.
Speaker 3: And so when you're looking at st two different examples
Speaker 3: of coral next to each other, are those different individuals
Speaker 3: genetically or are those different groups of a bunch of individuals.
Speaker 3: When you're looking at a fan of coral? How many
Speaker 3: people are you looking at that are coral?
Speaker 5: Yeah, that's a good question. So a coral colony is
Speaker 5: a coral you can think of a coral of itself
Speaker 5: is a coral pollup?
Speaker 4: What is a pollup?
Speaker 3: Well, it's a squishy little bugger with a feathery head
Speaker 3: and it secretes calcium carbonate and it's base to anchor
Speaker 3: it on a surface, kind of like a cupholder filled
Speaker 3: with one of those gas station wind sock dancers, only
Speaker 3: made out of jello salad.
Speaker 5: So you look a little mouth kind of like if
Speaker 5: you took it on eminy. That's kind of structure mouth
Speaker 5: and middle tentacles on the outside. And as a coral grows,
Speaker 5: it buds off and creates a genetically identical polyp. And
Speaker 5: as those polyps continue to multiply and spread and grow,
Speaker 5: you've had a coral colony that is made up of
Speaker 5: polyps that are all one genetic individual.
Speaker 3: And now what about their stinkiness. They're little stinger stingers.
Speaker 3: How is that helping them survive or thwart predators? Or
Speaker 3: are their predators to coral other than just human?
Speaker 5: Yeah, they use their stinging cells a lot to in
Speaker 5: pray capture. So if you see, if you like, stare
Speaker 5: at a coral long enough under the scope, and you know,
Speaker 5: if your piece of plankton, you know, swims up, you'll
Speaker 5: you'll see it almost like kind of like a you know,
Speaker 5: venus slide trap. You'll see the plankton get stuck to
Speaker 5: the coral tentacoles, and then the coral tentacles will pull
Speaker 5: it into its mouth and suck it in and digest it.
Speaker 5: It's really neat to watch. So but those, you know,
Speaker 5: the stinging cells, like if you touch a coral, what
Speaker 5: you shouldn't do. It will try to sting YouTube But
Speaker 5: our skin is too thick. But you know other animals
Speaker 5: like you know to use man of war for example,
Speaker 5: Like there are stinging cells that can affect us too,
Speaker 5: but corals are pretty safe. Don't touch them.
Speaker 3: But morning bumber question, bumber question, And what do you
Speaker 3: think is the biggest coral bummer for the coral? Would
Speaker 3: it be a rise in temperature or ocean a cerentification pollution?
Speaker 3: Like is there what's their big? What's their big? Said Trombone.
Speaker 5: So corals are dealing with a lot of threats right now,
Speaker 5: the biggest one being the impacts of climate change, and
Speaker 5: we're seeing this on reefs today in the form of
Speaker 5: sea surface temperature warming and ocean certification. As you mentioned,
Speaker 5: why this is so bad is that we're seeing an increase,
Speaker 5: like even in our lifetimes of these massive coral bleaching
Speaker 5: events worldwide, and a coral bleaching event can can wipe
Speaker 5: out entire reef ecosystems in like one season, and we're
Speaker 5: seeing them not only you know, it's not just like
Speaker 5: a one off anymore. And here in Hawaii we've had
Speaker 5: we had the event in twenty fourteen again in twenty fifteen.
Speaker 5: The Great Barrier reef has also experienced these successive events.
Speaker 5: And so while you know, we're seeing corals that are
Speaker 5: able to survive one round of this warming and recover,
Speaker 5: it's like you keep on hitting them. What is that affecting?
Speaker 5: And you add things like the local stressors, like you know,
Speaker 5: overfishing or sedimentation and pollution runoff from a lot of
Speaker 5: the local environments that are there. Those are the kind
Speaker 5: of the the added pressures that that corals are facing.
Speaker 5: And it's if it is so good, like it is
Speaker 5: so good and so important to mitigate some of these
Speaker 5: local stressors, right, like you know, diverting pollution, sedimentation really important,
Speaker 5: Like a coral can't live if it's covered in sediment.
Speaker 3: So yes, get the stuff off the coral. But the
Speaker 3: biggest help that they need.
Speaker 5: The most important thing that we need to address if
Speaker 5: we want corals in the future is climate change.
Speaker 4: And why are coral reefs important.
Speaker 5: They're really important for a lot of different reasons. They're
Speaker 5: one of the most biodiverse ecosystems in the world. They're
Speaker 5: a bank for biodiversity, and within that, you know, the
Speaker 5: coral reefs themselves are the breeding grounds and homes for
Speaker 5: tons of marine life. You've got animals that will come
Speaker 5: in from like the deeper oceans to to breed. Fish
Speaker 5: is a really important food resource for a lot of
Speaker 5: coastal communities. It's their main source of protein, main source
Speaker 5: of putting for many people in the world. And the
Speaker 5: reef environment is where a lot of those larger game
Speaker 5: fish reproduce and come back to coral reefs and a
Speaker 5: lot of our coastal ecosystems are really important for mitigating
Speaker 5: coastal damage. They absorb a lot of that you know,
Speaker 5: wave action, that wave power that's coming in. We've all
Speaker 5: seen really awful things that have been happening a lot
Speaker 5: of our coastal communities around the world because of you know,
Speaker 5: flooding and coastline erosion and things like that. And especially
Speaker 5: like here in Hawaii, the coral reef ecosystems are incredibly
Speaker 5: important culturally and there's a lot of history, there's a
Speaker 5: lot of stories a lot of history wrapped up in
Speaker 5: these these ecosystems. You know, there's a lot of reasons
Speaker 5: to protect them.
Speaker 3: And also before Patreon questions, it's a big day for
Speaker 3: you because they started spawning last night.
Speaker 4: What yeah, they did? They would spawn spawn a palooza
Speaker 4: right now.
Speaker 5: It is. It is something really amazing about corals that
Speaker 5: there's not enough amazing stuff is coral spawning events. And
Speaker 5: so corals, right, you're a sedentary animal. You're not moving
Speaker 5: around to find your mates. How you're in the ocean,
Speaker 5: how are you going to reproduce, you know, besides fragmenting off?
Speaker 5: And so the way it works is it's a combination
Speaker 5: of cues. It's the moon cycle, it's the temperature. It's
Speaker 5: like the pressure in the environment that will all come
Speaker 5: together and cue the corals to release their gammetes into
Speaker 5: the water column. And for the coral species that we study,
Speaker 5: the rice coral On Tiper capitata out here in the lab,
Speaker 5: they spawn two to three months during the summer, on
Speaker 5: the night of the new moon and a few nights
Speaker 5: after and if you're lucky enough to be out in
Speaker 5: the bay, you kind of peer over at around eight
Speaker 5: forty five PM, and you'll start to see these little
Speaker 5: cream colored bundles slowly floating to the surface of the
Speaker 5: water with the size of a pinhead. And on a
Speaker 5: really big night like the entire surface will be just
Speaker 5: like covered in these little white dots. And you know,
Speaker 5: in the next day or so there'll be swimming coral larvy,
Speaker 5: these little adbd jellybeans, and then those larvy will then
Speaker 5: you know, swim around and look for some suitable substrate
Speaker 5: to metamorphose into the first polyp, which will hopefully grow
Speaker 5: into too many to form the next colony.
Speaker 3: Show Rotop blog post last June about corarelspawning, and in
Speaker 3: it he describes setting out on the night of the
Speaker 3: new moon with life jackets and a first aid kit
Speaker 3: and headlamps. They use red lights so they don't interfere
Speaker 3: with any lunar cues for the coral, and they have
Speaker 3: as many two and a half gallon buckets as we'll
Speaker 3: fit on the floor of a small whaler boat. And
Speaker 3: he says in it, our tools are not glamorous, but
Speaker 3: they get the job done. And there are photos of
Speaker 3: these milky trails of coral bundles popping to release eggs
Speaker 3: into the water. And a glimpse of what field research
Speaker 3: looks like. So for more of that, I'm going to
Speaker 3: link the post in the show notes and on my website.
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Speaker 3: the show notes. Okay, some things I'm liking this week. Okay,
Speaker 3: your questions now, first question we got from Laura Crippen's
Speaker 3: and a bunch of other folks asked how harmful is
Speaker 3: sunscreen to coral This is a big question.
Speaker 4: It's a tough question.
Speaker 5: It's a tough question. So, like people have definitely, you know,
Speaker 5: seen movements in different coastal communities to ban on safe sunscreen,
Speaker 5: and like this is a field of research that is
Speaker 5: beginning to grow. It's a new thing that we're seeing,
Speaker 5: and it's like really important to consider these kind of
Speaker 5: like stressors and these daily things that we're doing that
Speaker 5: may or not be harmful to reefs. Right, Considering what
Speaker 5: sunscreen you use, just like considering any type of chemicals
Speaker 5: that you're inducing introducing to a natural environment is a
Speaker 5: really important thing. However, where you know, a lot of
Speaker 5: what what we are concerned about is that you know,
Speaker 5: in the grand scheme of the impacts facing corals, it
Speaker 5: is a very small drop in the bucket compared to
Speaker 5: climate change. The danger is when that's where we stop, right, Like,
Speaker 5: you know, considering your sunscreen choice is a really great
Speaker 5: point of departure. But if that's the stopping point, that's
Speaker 5: a really dangerous thing because you know, just changing your
Speaker 5: sunscreen is not going to slow down our loss.
Speaker 3: Of reefs, right, so don't just change for a mineral
Speaker 3: sunscreen and be like nailed it.
Speaker 5: Yeah.
Speaker 3: So this next question was also asked by listener Grace
Speaker 3: and Allegro Violetta. Benisman wants to know what role does
Speaker 3: concrete truly play in the health of our coral?
Speaker 4: And I know nothing about.
Speaker 5: This concrete composition and we'll look this up. Is it
Speaker 5: has a lot of same attributes as like custom carbonate
Speaker 5: coral skeletons. It's a really great substrate because it's as
Speaker 5: kind of chorous, so a lot of times you'll see,
Speaker 5: like I think it is in Mexico where they have
Speaker 5: that underwater sculpture installation made a concrete that different corals
Speaker 5: and sponges and whatnot are all recruiting to, so it
Speaker 5: can actually act as a pretty good substrate. It's a
Speaker 5: really great substrate for artificial reefs.
Speaker 3: So he's talking about an underwater museum in Cancun, Mexico.
Speaker 3: It consists of nearly five hundred sunken sculptures and they
Speaker 3: serve as a base for new coral. Why did they
Speaker 3: make this, you ask, because too many tourists were snorkeling
Speaker 3: in the natural local reefs and destroying them. So they
Speaker 3: were like, hey, hey, look over here, look over here,
Speaker 3: look at these look at these sculptures. And it worked.
Speaker 3: So people go there now and coral can grow on
Speaker 3: it ding perfect. What's your favorite part about your job
Speaker 3: or about corals?
Speaker 5: Oh, man, we do a whole podcast on that. My
Speaker 5: favorite part of my job is I'm getting I'm anstering
Speaker 5: it into part, which I know you're supposed to do.
Speaker 4: No, it's member reports you want.
Speaker 5: It's it's like it's the daily life in the people
Speaker 5: I work with for sure, Like in the community, when
Speaker 5: you're working on issues that's this important, people are really
Speaker 5: passionate and really excited. And because we're trying to solve
Speaker 5: something on a really quickly, it's a very creative place
Speaker 5: to be. And then also I take a boat to
Speaker 5: work every day. I can just like walk into the
Speaker 5: water and see the reef and wow, that's amazing for
Speaker 5: research and asking questions. It's also just it's a luxury.
Speaker 5: Feels so lucky to be able to be in a
Speaker 5: place where my study environment is right here and I
Speaker 5: can appreciate the just the beauty of the reef on
Speaker 5: a everyday basis.
Speaker 3: You're doing such great work. I'm so excited that I
Speaker 3: got to talk to you. Thank you for taking us.
Speaker 3: It's the lever of your time. I know that it's
Speaker 3: a busy day for Coral. Are you going back out tonight?
Speaker 3: I am yeah, definitely excited, very excited. If you can,
Speaker 3: please vote, just let's try to turn this vote around. Also,
Speaker 3: for more about Shale, you can follow him at Wrong
Speaker 3: Underscore Whale on Twitter that will be linked in the
Speaker 3: show notes, where at Ologies on Twitter and Instagram. I'm
Speaker 3: at ali Ward with one L on both. We love
Speaker 3: to keep these Homologies episodes pretty small, so the full
Speaker 3: list of credits are in the show notes. But thank
Speaker 3: you especially to Mercedes Maitland, Jarreed Sleeper, and Zeke Rodriguez
Speaker 3: Thomas of mind Jam Media for all the edits on this.
Speaker 3: A ton more Smologies episodes can be downloaded for free
Speaker 3: at aliwar dot com slash Smologies. That link is in
Speaker 3: the show notes for you. And if you stick around
Speaker 3: to the end, I give you a piece of life.
Speaker 3: And this week it's that if you like hard boiled eggs,
Speaker 3: try putting homice on them. It's so good. This might
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Speaker 3: little sugar. Oh makes everything you put it on tastes
Speaker 3: like a sushi roll. It's so good. So these tips,
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