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<v Speaker 1>There's not many analysts out there who can talk on

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<v Speaker 1>a chalkboard with Sean McVay and Andy Reid and Lincoln

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<v Speaker 1>Riley and Josh Hipel and Steve Sarkigian other than Gary Danielson.

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<v Speaker 1>And he can do that because of his vast experience

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<v Speaker 1>and he joins us on exus and Bros.

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<v Speaker 2>Gary.

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<v Speaker 1>Thanks for the time. How are you? How are you

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<v Speaker 1>and your family?

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<v Speaker 2>I'm doing great, Mattison. It's been a long time. It's

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<v Speaker 2>great to talk to you. It's kind of a cool

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<v Speaker 2>time to be in Michigan. Sports are rolling pretty good

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<v Speaker 2>there as.

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<v Speaker 1>Aren't Yeah, you're always been a big Tigers fan. This

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<v Speaker 1>has kind of caught you a little bit, hasn't it.

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah? Absolutely, you know, I grew up in Michigan. I

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<v Speaker 2>mean we used to go down to the ballpark. That's

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<v Speaker 2>a pretty funny story. I think it's either in Madison

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<v Speaker 2>or nineteen eighty three, eighty two something in that area,

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<v Speaker 2>you know. And the Tigers are just starting to roll,

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<v Speaker 2>you know, Gibbie and Trammel and the boys, Jack Morris

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<v Speaker 2>and of course I'm playing quarterback for the Lions, and

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<v Speaker 2>we're up and down like we were and my days.

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<v Speaker 2>You know, Dad, everybody at school or just you know,

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<v Speaker 2>we got Tiger stuff. I wish you played for the Tigers,

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<v Speaker 2>you know, like that, I said, Honey, turnout see that

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<v Speaker 2>pool in the backyard. That's pretty good there. Yeah, it's

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<v Speaker 2>kind of funny, but I love them all. We used

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<v Speaker 2>to go to red Wing games, Piston games when they

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<v Speaker 2>were downtown at Coobo, you know. So yeah, I'm a detroiter.

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<v Speaker 1>Yeah, And of course you did that successful show with

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<v Speaker 1>with Gibby for so long. I enjoyed being with Gibby

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<v Speaker 1>in my years in the booth and actually just played golf,

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<v Speaker 1>played golf with your buddy Elisier at the other day.

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<v Speaker 1>So you're missed, but you're absolutely missed. But we love

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<v Speaker 1>watching your work because you're so good at what you do.

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<v Speaker 1>And your partner is my favorite play by play guy.

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<v Speaker 1>I can promise you. I mean that sincerely. I think

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<v Speaker 1>he's phenomenal what he does.

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<v Speaker 2>He's a pros pro, you know, it's funny. He's done

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<v Speaker 2>a lot of big things. Brad nessler As and I've

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<v Speaker 2>been charmed, as you said, you know, I've got to

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<v Speaker 2>work with you know, Hall of Famer Vern Lunk was

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<v Speaker 2>Hall of Famer Bret Musburger. But but Brad is going

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<v Speaker 2>to be a Hall of Famer as well. So in

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<v Speaker 2>my thirty five years of broadcasting, I'm going to be

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<v Speaker 2>working with three Hall of famers. Or that ain't bad

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<v Speaker 2>this our fifteenth year and again so's.

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<v Speaker 1>Yeah, well, well it ain't bad that they're working with

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<v Speaker 1>you either. Tell me, well your impressions of Michigan. You

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<v Speaker 1>guys did a phenomenal job against when we called the

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<v Speaker 1>Michigan USC game, which I think surprised a lot of people,

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<v Speaker 1>but it was, you know, all about their ground attack.

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<v Speaker 1>Is that sustainable for them moving forward or they're going

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<v Speaker 1>to have to find a little bit more than just

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<v Speaker 1>the run game.

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<v Speaker 2>Yes, and I think they will. I said during the

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<v Speaker 2>broadcast that Michigan's going to be a much better team

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<v Speaker 2>in decemmer met than they are right now. But they

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<v Speaker 2>need to just survive right now. And that was the

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<v Speaker 2>move that had to be made. I think all of

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<v Speaker 2>us anticipated it. But you're right, you know, the big

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<v Speaker 2>ten is, you know, Sleepy getting better. I mean just

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<v Speaker 2>like kind of you know, Illinois better, Rutgers better, Penn

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<v Speaker 2>State better than a year ago. I you know, returns

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<v Speaker 2>twenty one starters. You know, they can play that game.

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<v Speaker 2>So it's not going to be easy to play continue

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<v Speaker 2>to play just one dimensional football. But I'm sure Alex

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<v Speaker 2>will Orgie will get better. He has to get better.

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<v Speaker 2>I think one thing, and it surprised me about this

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<v Speaker 2>Michigan team because we know Michigan fans and the program themselves,

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<v Speaker 2>they measure their season's success by you know, big ten

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<v Speaker 2>run championships or getting into the playoffs. It kind of

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<v Speaker 2>let that quarterback position be unprotected. Let's hope Alex Orgy

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<v Speaker 2>is the guy, and you know, let's let's if he

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<v Speaker 2>needs help, and for Michigan fans, maybe Davis Warren can

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<v Speaker 2>settle down and be back up. But you know, transfer

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<v Speaker 2>players have been really good an important part of college football,

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<v Speaker 2>and Michigan has taken advantage it. Look at Josiah Stewart

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<v Speaker 2>the game he's had transfer, Housman barm inside, they're left tackle,

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<v Speaker 2>Hnton the transfer. I'm surprised they didn't understand, you know,

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<v Speaker 2>that position. Seems like they could have looked in the

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<v Speaker 2>transfer portal just to protect it a little bit more.

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<v Speaker 2>Maybe they'll be right, but there's a lot of games

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<v Speaker 2>to be played, and sooner or later they're going to

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<v Speaker 2>get the need to throw the ball from the pocket.

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<v Speaker 1>Yeah, it has to be more than Jack Tuttle transferred.

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<v Speaker 1>And I agree with you one hundred percent. We've said that.

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<v Speaker 1>I'm surprised it's happened that way from Michigan, but there's

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<v Speaker 1>something that you know, they've got to deal with. Gary Danielson,

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<v Speaker 1>CBS Sports Football Analysts since two thousand and six, ESPN

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<v Speaker 1>Michigan State is in an interesting spot right now. It's

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<v Speaker 1>almost like a grace period. I really think Jonathan Smith

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<v Speaker 1>is the right guy. What's your impression of him as

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<v Speaker 1>a head coach?

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah, hundred percent. I love what he did the similar

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<v Speaker 2>type school, you know, Oregon State. You have to be

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<v Speaker 2>a developmental program, and he was not just a flash

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<v Speaker 2>and dash air raid throw the ball every down and

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<v Speaker 2>a lot of those coaches are doing that to move

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<v Speaker 2>up the ladder because athletic directors love the hire guys

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<v Speaker 2>that can produce points. His team was tough, they ran

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<v Speaker 2>the ball downhill. He's really good with coaching the quarterback.

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<v Speaker 2>I think he has a vision of what Michigan State

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<v Speaker 2>could be, and I think, I really think this is

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<v Speaker 2>going to work for Michigan State in the long run.

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<v Speaker 1>Here, their quarterback, Aiden Childs is only nineteen. He doesn't

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<v Speaker 1>that what he starts under his belt. I want to

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<v Speaker 1>know from you, as a college and a pro quarterback,

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<v Speaker 1>how do you help fix a young man's delivery and

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<v Speaker 1>or decision making? What's more challenging and how do you

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<v Speaker 2>You know, that's really interesting question, and I think of

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<v Speaker 2>so many things when you ask that question, Matt. You know,

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<v Speaker 2>when I went to Purdue, I was seventeen my freshman year,

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<v Speaker 2>so I played as you know, there was no red shirting. Then,

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<v Speaker 2>you know, eighteen, I started as a sophomore. Then nineteen,

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<v Speaker 2>I was a junior already. And it was really one

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<v Speaker 2>of the big regrets in my life that I wasn't

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<v Speaker 2>the type of focused athlete that I became as a pro,

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<v Speaker 2>where I was totally dedicated year round at helping my

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<v Speaker 2>So how do you do that with a seventeen, eighteen,

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<v Speaker 2>nineteen year old I wasn't mature enough at that point.

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<v Speaker 2>But it's a little bit of everything. You know, I

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<v Speaker 2>played with Bernie Kozar. He didn't have the greatest delivery,

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<v Speaker 2>but Howard Snellenberger didn't change it and it worked for him.

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<v Speaker 2>I look at Alex Orgy, there's no really problem with

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<v Speaker 2>his delivery your stuff. He just kind of learn that

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<v Speaker 2>the different you know, the different parts of being a quarterback,

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<v Speaker 2>how to lay it off, how to move in the

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<v Speaker 2>pocket comfortably, and how to use his gifts more naturally.

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<v Speaker 2>The guy at Alabama, Jalen Millroll, has learned to do

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<v Speaker 2>that and Kalen Divor is doing a good job to

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<v Speaker 2>continue that. So you know, Jonathan played quarterback, he has

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<v Speaker 2>to tweak it, which I don't think he can overhaul

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<v Speaker 2>a guy where he becomes uncomfortable. But you're right. You know,

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<v Speaker 2>we covered Oregon State and we knew that Aiden's going

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<v Speaker 2>to be a tremendous athlete. How does he learn how

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<v Speaker 2>to do it? Just give another example. I covered Jayden

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<v Speaker 2>Daniels at Arizona State, and you know he showed potential,

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<v Speaker 2>but it wasn't until he was refined five years later

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<v Speaker 2>at LSU and look what he did last night. So

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<v Speaker 2>it's a journey, but you have to be careful not

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<v Speaker 2>to try to do too much with the throwing motion.

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<v Speaker 2>In my opite you know.

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<v Speaker 1>It's it's so it's always been this way. I suppose

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<v Speaker 1>it's really your position is the only position. You go

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<v Speaker 1>to Pro Football Reference and you see it's the only

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<v Speaker 1>position where you get wins and losses connected to it. Yeah,

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<v Speaker 1>and it's way too often where we're read into that.

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<v Speaker 1>But I've talked with NFL general managers like you have,

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<v Speaker 1>and they have told me, if you don't have the trigger,

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<v Speaker 1>you spend your entire career looking for them.

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<v Speaker 2>Right.

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<v Speaker 1>Has it gotten out of control at the NFL level

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<v Speaker 1>where you're paying guys like Jordan Love, who I like,

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<v Speaker 1>don't get me wrong, but doesn't have He's nine and

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<v Speaker 1>ten in his career, He's got nineteen career starts and

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<v Speaker 1>he makes He's one of the highest paid players in

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<v Speaker 1>NFL history. How do you reel that in if at all?

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<v Speaker 2>I guess it's just the marketplace of what it does.

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<v Speaker 2>You know. I had a really good buddy that I

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<v Speaker 2>ruined with with the Lions with Tom Skud and I

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<v Speaker 2>think he was on a Frank Beckman show to tell

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<v Speaker 2>you that sheuth one day ball all the way back

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<v Speaker 2>and some caller called in because I think Tom was

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<v Speaker 2>holding out, and said, you know, I'm sick of you

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<v Speaker 2>athletes all this money. He goes, you know, he goes,

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<v Speaker 2>I'd like to play baseball, and Tom goes, you know,

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<v Speaker 2>I'd like to play football, and Tom goes, yeah, I know,

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<v Speaker 2>but if you could, you'd do it. There's just not

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<v Speaker 2>a lot of guys. And that's how the story goes.

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<v Speaker 2>Why should a Major League baseball play a second baseman

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<v Speaker 2>five million dollars and he's only hitting two twenty And

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<v Speaker 2>I always say, because if they could find somebody to

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<v Speaker 2>twenty one, you'd be unemployed. So that kind of goes

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<v Speaker 2>with that situation, you know. So yeah, it is what

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<v Speaker 2>it is. But it does make the fans more frustrated

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<v Speaker 2>when you see somebody, you know, you go to a

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<v Speaker 2>concert and you pay all that money and that that

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<v Speaker 2>performer isn't you know, you don't have Taylor Swift competing

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<v Speaker 2>against Adele and pick a winner. You know, this time,

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<v Speaker 2>every time you play, there's a winner. But you know,

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<v Speaker 2>that goes with the quarterback position. One more thing about

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<v Speaker 2>that position that I tell young quarterbacks when I go

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<v Speaker 2>to camp, it's the only position in sports where you're

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<v Speaker 2>at to perform at the highest level and also orchestrate

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<v Speaker 2>the whole you know, orchestra at the same time. You're

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<v Speaker 2>the conductor and one of the musicians at the same time,

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<v Speaker 2>and that just goes with the territory. And then on

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<v Speaker 2>top of that, after the game, you have to walk

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<v Speaker 2>up to that microphone, protect your teammates, say the right

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<v Speaker 2>things even though you're dying, about the mistakes you made

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<v Speaker 2>and things that were made, and make sure that that

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<v Speaker 2>fifth quarter doesn't upset that locker room going into the

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<v Speaker 1>I'm so glad you brought up the entertainer because my

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<v Speaker 1>as I say, how come you never complain that Samuel

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<v Speaker 1>Jackson makes twenty million dollars in movie? Yeah, how come

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<v Speaker 1>you never complain that Barbara streisand charges, you know, fifteen

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<v Speaker 1>hundred dollars for a ticket. Go watch her in concert,

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<v Speaker 1>and she may have a scratchy throat and may not

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<v Speaker 1>sound at the top of her game. I paid money

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<v Speaker 1>to go watch David Lee Roth and Van Hanlin. David

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<v Speaker 1>Lee Roth was drunk on stage. Okay, so it's funny.

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<v Speaker 1>It happens strictly with athletes, and especially with quarterbacks, you

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<v Speaker 1>get Wisconsin, USC.

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<v Speaker 3>I believe this weekend, right you and Brad on CBS Sports,

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<v Speaker 3>Do you like that the four teams from the PAC

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<v Speaker 1>And if so, why.

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<v Speaker 2>So? One of the things we talked about during the

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<v Speaker 2>working pretty good, even though there's no real commissioner driving

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<v Speaker 2>you know, all the decisions, and it kind of reminds

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<v Speaker 2>me of our great country we live in, you know.

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<v Speaker 2>I mean, there's the invisible hand of capitalism at work here,

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<v Speaker 2>and somehow the TV networks and the commissioners and people

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<v Speaker 2>involved in the game, the fourteen playoff and some of

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<v Speaker 2>these contests, and the sophisticated fans going you know, I

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<v Speaker 2>don't really want to tune in and watch USC play Arizona.

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<v Speaker 2>I mean, I want to watch the best play against

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<v Speaker 2>Nobody's in charge. Maybe nobody needs to be in charge.

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<v Speaker 2>We should just trust the people going out there and

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<v Speaker 2>make capitalistic decisions. And I think this is really going

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<v Speaker 2>to work. I hated the fourteen playoffs. I was laughed

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<v Speaker 2>it was because it exposed conferences needlessly that they weren't involved.

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<v Speaker 2>I think it was the downfall of the PAC twelve,

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<v Speaker 2>but I think it was natural that this is going

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<v Speaker 2>to kind of gravitate. It's almost like your kids, you know,

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<v Speaker 2>when some kids play double a hockey, some kids play

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<v Speaker 2>it's great the way it's going. I like the transfer rules.

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<v Speaker 2>I like the idea that a kid coming out of

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<v Speaker 2>Notre Dame, but he goes and plays at Toledo or

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<v Speaker 2>Western Michigan and then he finds out he's better or

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<v Speaker 2>on the right path. They're going to fix this nil stuff,

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<v Speaker 2>But overall, I think this big tent expansion thing is

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<v Speaker 1>Yeah, I agree with you, but I do think it's

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<v Speaker 1>really important that the mid major programs get the opportunity

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<v Speaker 1>to make those paydays that really last them and their

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah, that's a good point. I think that will still

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<v Speaker 2>happen because these major blue bloods need some wins. They

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<v Speaker 2>can't have their team play an NFL schedule every week.

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<v Speaker 2>They just don't have enough players on their team so

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<v Speaker 2>or at least that play at that level. But I

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<v Speaker 2>think the twelve team playoff is great, you know, I

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<v Speaker 2>really did. You know. So it's going to go to

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<v Speaker 2>fourteen the end. You know, Michigan's going to have going

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<v Speaker 2>to have a shot at this. We're going to have

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<v Speaker 2>to improve obviously a quarterback. But this is going to

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<v Speaker 2>be a fun run through this fall watching this Michigan

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<v Speaker 1>Final thing for you. You and Brad Nessler and you

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<v Speaker 1>and Verne Lunkaz were the staples of SEC football. Right,

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<v Speaker 1>You've got Alabama Georgia. I don't know how much you

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<v Speaker 1>miss that on a regular basis. You're doing games every Saturday.

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<v Speaker 1>It doesn't get a whole lot better than that. But

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<v Speaker 1>you do have Alabama Georgia this weekend. How excited should

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<v Speaker 1>people be for that matchup? And what do you like

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah? We did a few of those, you know, SEC

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<v Speaker 2>championship games, and yeah, they're quite a thrill, you know.

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<v Speaker 2>I mean, we did the Game of the Century Alabama

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<v Speaker 2>LSU nine to six, and then we did the Joe

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<v Speaker 2>Burrow to a game LSU Alabama, And this is just

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<v Speaker 2>like these things. I mean, there's a lot of good

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<v Speaker 2>football players in a conference. And when I talked to

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<v Speaker 2>the commissioner, to Tony Pettiti, who was at CBS when

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<v Speaker 2>they when they hired me, Isaac commission CC is not

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<v Speaker 2>backing up in style of football or excellence of football.

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<v Speaker 2>You got to improve, and I think they are. It'll

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<v Speaker 2>be a great matchup. But for me personally, as you mentioned,

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<v Speaker 2>I'm just thrilled to be able to do a game.

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<v Speaker 2>I mean, I've been thirty five years of doing top

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<v Speaker 2>play games. The first game I ever did Matt was

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<v Speaker 2>Miami at BUYU and ty Deetmer one the Heisman that

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<v Speaker 2>day at the first game of this thing. So it's

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<v Speaker 2>been a great run. And sooner or later I'm gonna

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<v Speaker 2>run out of things to.

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<v Speaker 1>Say, but so far, I don't think so. I look,

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<v Speaker 1>you're doing it because you're the best at doing it.

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<v Speaker 1>I don't say that just because you're with us. Lastly,

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<v Speaker 1>you had mentioned during the broadcast you said you don't

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<v Speaker 1>think there are better play callers than Lincoln Riley, Josh

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<v Speaker 1>Heipel Steve Sarkushian, and I found that to be really interesting.

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<v Speaker 1>Who are the best defensive coordinators? Who are the best guys?

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<v Speaker 2>Oh wow, challenge that. Well, Kirby was one of them,

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<v Speaker 2>you know, he grew up under Nick's and they were

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<v Speaker 2>good at it. I mean, Michigan has been very interesting.

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<v Speaker 2>The path they've taken, going the Ravens, the Harbaugh connection

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<v Speaker 2>here has really changed their look of their team. They

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<v Speaker 2>let me back up just a little bit. After I

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<v Speaker 2>was playing NFL football for sixteen years, I never watched

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<v Speaker 2>one college game in sixteen years. I was busy trying

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<v Speaker 2>to survive in that league. Okay, so when I got

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<v Speaker 2>my first job, I turn on the tape and I go, oh,

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<v Speaker 2>they crap. These teams are terrible. To watch the NFL tape. Well,

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<v Speaker 2>the game is morphed a little bit now, the sophistication

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<v Speaker 2>of college. Even the pros are copying college offenses. Martin

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<v Speaker 2>dal walks right into this Michigan defense and using these

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<v Speaker 2>same type. Now they don't do it as well, but

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<v Speaker 2>the styles have kind of morphed now. So yes, there's

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<v Speaker 2>a lot of good ones around. I mean, I'm off

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<v Speaker 2>the top of my head. I can't give them to you.

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<v Speaker 2>But you know, Dan Lynn, it was under that same

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<v Speaker 2>tree over there at UCLA and now at USC, so

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<v Speaker 2>they're all over you know, Bobby, they do it a

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<v Speaker 2>different way. The Parkers over at Iowa. They do it

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<v Speaker 2>with that Tony Dungee soft cover too. Look, you know

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<v Speaker 2>I shouldn't put soft and that into They kind of

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<v Speaker 2>lull you into thinking it's soft. But it is fun

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<v Speaker 2>to watch those teams. And I'll tell you another one,

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<v Speaker 2>the whole D'Antonio tree for Michigan State. The way they

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<v Speaker 2>played it and did it. Michigan State is in that

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<v Speaker 2>conversation of great defenses. So that's what's fun about doing

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<v Speaker 2>college football. I'll load up here now I've gotten familiar

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<v Speaker 2>with USC, but I'll start at Wisconsin. I'll bet you

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<v Speaker 2>know as many names right now as I got the

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<v Speaker 2>general Luke Fickle feel of it and Paul long Ago

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<v Speaker 2>and how they're changing. But you start at ground zero

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<v Speaker 2>and build your game plan.

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<v Speaker 1>So good and so enjoyable. Thanks for the insight, I

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<v Speaker 1>really enjoy it. All the best to you and your family.

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<v Speaker 1>I'll make sure I say hi to Eliaaah, Rob Rubik

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<v Speaker 1>and all your friend's back here. Keep up the great

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<v Speaker 1>work man.

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<v Speaker 2>All right, thank you very much, Matt, appreciate it.

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<v Speaker 1>You bet. Gary Danielson with us here on X's and Bros.

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<v Speaker 1>What a treat man, incredible knowledge,