Speaker 1: Hello, ladies and gentlemen, and welcome back to the Agatha reviews.
Technically the penultimate episode, but technically not the penultimate episode.
We'll talk about that in a little bit later, but
the penultimate review episode. I'm the clown Prince of Death
trest No, I'm joined by.
Speaker 2: I Am the Diviner kirkln Pats or you were throwing
me off there with the not actually penultimate episode, maybe
think for a minute.
Speaker 1: Yeah, so it's our second last review of Agatha because
I think it's doing better than I expected. But I
don't expect this to got an Agatha too, so I
imagine this will be the last second last EEPs. So
we ever talked about Agatha and then yeah, next week
is I didn't know this until you know. Shout out
to mar I always say we are the where the jesters.
We're the guys that just you know, makeup stuff, have
a lot of fun, where the crackpot theory guys. You
want your full on information, call book beats everything stuff
Like oh, when I'm listening to Marble Alliance, so yeah,
it has a two episode finale.
Speaker 3: I was like, I didn't even know that.
Speaker 1: I had no idea to I listened to Marble Alliance,
and this is a part time job for me. So
that's why we always say we're not critics or pundits
or anything. We're just a couple of kinds of the
microphone because it's like perfect. But yeah, if people don't know,
maybe I'm breaking news to you now is Yeah, next week,
Episode eight and nine are airing for Agatha, same day,
same night. I imagine they'll just drop at the same time.
And I think that's relatively smart because I feel like
if you're putting the episode out a week after Halloween,
maybe the hype kind of goes away. I feel like
some people even Wednesday. I feel like I would like say,
maybe like push it to the Tuesday, like the night before.
It's a little too close. But I digress. Either way,
next week, Taylor, we'll be back next week, so we
should have all three of us for the finale of Agatha,
and then yeah, we'll.
Speaker 3: Break that down.
Speaker 1: But first we got to break down this episode because
they're not they're not sleeping at the Wheel. There's some
reveals here that some thing's going on here. But mister Patzer,
so you've been gone for I think the last three
two for sure is it two or three.
Speaker 4: I think three three have been gone.
Speaker 1: Yeah, okay, so what do you think about the show
up until this point and then after that?
Speaker 3: What do you think about this episode tonight? Often the
non spoilers.
Speaker 2: Fashion, Yeah, I think I think this show is remains
to be super solid. You know, last time I was
on here, which would have been that episode three review,
I was still really positive on it, and I think
I I think I still am. It was kind of
nice to just binge like the last couple episodes all
in a row. I don't know, it's it's it's always
preferable to do that. Obviously, it's nice to do the
weekly episode reviews. I wasn't able to watch them on
the time, but yeah, no, I'm still really enjoying the show.
I'm liking the reveals. It's it's funny. In the earlier episodes,
we were kind of avoiding some you know, spoilery type things,
which is which has now been revealed, and at the
time I thought I had been spoiled, and then I
was kind of spoiled in a different direction because I
had thought certain characters or something else.
Speaker 4: So that was kind of a nice surprise.
Speaker 2: And I think this show is doing a good job
at keeping me interested from week to week and like
actually feeling like there is consequence, like there, you know,
there's characters that are not safe, there's characters that are
not gonna be making it throughout the whole the whole
Witch's Road journey. So uh yeah, no, I I think
it's really good and Catherine han Is just remains to
be fantastic. I've really enjoying Aubrey Plaza's kind of usage
so far. I guess just mostly as like the Green
Witch and this real character and what else she might
be going forward for the rest of the show here.
But I feel like I haven't really seen her perform
like Aubrey Plaza perform a character like this at all.
I've mostly just experienced her on parks and rec and
I don't know a couple.
Speaker 1: Of large legion man one day, get a watch, Okay,
Marvel show was on FX very small, but.
Speaker 5: We'll probably got Daredevil and my Cross areas.
Speaker 3: Everything, Exavier Son, Xavier's in the show. But yeah, I
get it.
Speaker 2: Yeah, maybe one day, but the show wait what.
Speaker 1: Midnight Mass Okay you know, yeah, no priest, what else
was he in?
Speaker 3: Oh?
Speaker 4: Fantastic four? That we just did the retro, so he of.
Speaker 1: Course that is acclaimed role in fantastic He'll put him
on the map, So put him on the map.
Speaker 4: But yeah, I know, I I'm I'm really digging the show.
I I feel like I am really enjoying it.
Speaker 2: But I will say it's not quite to like top
tier level that like TV shows are capable of being,
like like especially watching like Penguin every week, I feel
like I go to that to this and it's just like, Okay,
this is a nice like little daytime watch versus you know,
the more serious, uh Penguin HBO level of like content.
And I don't know if that's like I don't want
to say that in a sense to like put down
this content, but it just feels a lot more I
don't know. I guess I gues comic book is a
good word for it, because it is a comic book,
you know, Marvel TV show, but it just it feels
more like kiddy like even though there is like Halloween
stuff going on with the Salem seven and like there
is some freaky elements to it, it just I don't know,
it's not quite to the same caliber as a show
like that, and it sucks.
Speaker 3: Just say it, that's what you're trying to say.
Speaker 4: I don't want to compare the two.
Speaker 2: It's just I think it's because I took a break
and then like the only show, the only other show
I had been watching was Penguin, So to just go
from that to this, and because I had taken a
couple of weeks off is I don't know it. Maybe
I just thought the overall quality was slightly lesser, but uh, yeah,
I don't know.
Speaker 4: It's still good, still enjoying it.
Speaker 1: Yeah, I think it's an interesting spot because I think
it's it's in a weird thing where it's not because
what was the other show we just finished, which was
Rings of Power. That one's a tougher situation because I
feel yeah, because I feel like that like show might
have higher high in this, but then that show also,
I think for me, had some lower lows at the
same time, So that one's a very difficult comparison or
different comparison.
Speaker 3: And then to Penguin, it's that like Kyle Sambo.
Speaker 1: I saw Common, He's like, yeah, that last episode best
episode to you ever watched. I'm like, all right, calm down,
Like I like Penguin, but it's like breaking bad. You know,
I've seen stuff on six feet under Sopranos, lots of
other good stuff. But you know, that's the thing where
I do think Penguin is like obviously a much much
higher bar, but as the pause of the thing for this,
just because like I don't think they allow them to
be right. I feel like, obviously with Penguin, you're not
gonna get Pattison, there's gonna be some boxes. But really,
because it's in its own universe, they get to do
a lot more right where this is still in the MC,
they can't just completely pop off.
Speaker 3: This is not rated R.
Speaker 1: And then also just we've trouble before the run times, right,
these episodes like like last week and this week, I
think they're just I can't remember what this one was.
This week was last week, I think it was around forty.
They always still feel like a little too short, but
at the same time, that's what they're working with, right,
that's how they get mandated. Where HBO it's like if
you're doing a drama hours like the minimum.
Speaker 3: But so yeah, it's nowhere near that.
Speaker 1: But I did think about the time, I'm like, man,
I think this is I'm interested to see where this
ranks in my overall MC rankings when it's done, because
it's a lot higher than I thought it was gonna be.
Not in the sense that I don't think this is
like it might not even break the middle. But that's
tough because there's almost fifty projects now in the MCU right,
So it's like, even if you're close to the middle,
that's like high praise, you know, like I have to
look and see how in your rank.
Speaker 3: But there's lots of stuff.
Speaker 1: So no, I think the show is still I think
it's a good watch.
Speaker 3: So yeah, I think it's not anywhere near Penguin.
Speaker 1: And even in the sense of like when you get
to Daredevil or Wan Division or Locy, I don't think
it ever hits those highs. But now we've been doing
this for since twenty twenty. In the four years we've
gone a lot lower. Secret Invasion, for one, is like,
you know, obviously the obvious one for me, Echo god,
What's what's another one? We reviewed here in the Disney
Plus Realm of just Marvel.
Speaker 3: Yeah, just Marvel, Yeah yeah, not Star Wars.
Speaker 1: This is somehow, somehow if you were to that'd be
an interesting cast. We should do one day, do like
rank the Disney plus shows, Marvel and Star Wars like comparatively,
and somehow I would rank AA a lot higher than
a lot of them. I'd rank it higher than Mandle Free.
I'd rank it higher than Boba Vet act Lite, which
is not so my thought because I did I think
I said there was a time when bob Iger came
back and it was that thing. I was like, oh man,
all these shows that were in this era when they
were forcing the content probably not going to be good.
I still have to see iron Heart and there's still
like wonder Man, but this had I had such low expectations,
but no continues to be good.
Speaker 3: There's a reveal in.
Speaker 1: This episode that was kind of like around thanks thanks
to Funkle Pops and everything like that, so it didn't
hit me at the hoodspub, but I was like, okay, cool,
Like I like this addition to the MCU. I liked
how they did the reveal and they had a very
fun narrative tool they use this episode that I thought
worked really well and I thought it almost one is
not that I'm rushing too, because I don't think it
was that amazing, but I was like oh, if I
watch the show again, I'll be excited to see this
show or I'll be excited to see this episode for
a second time. And also now watching the beginning of
the series with a different eye because they refer back
to a lot of things they were setting up in
previous episodes.
Speaker 3: So, you know, I thought it was a good episode.
Speaker 1: I think this is a good kind of set up
to our one two punch, and I hope they uh,
I hope they stick the landing, you know, because obviously
MSU and just Disney Plus in general, finales aren't always
their strong suit. The good thing is, I don't think
it has the stakes of like a Loki, A WandaVision.
Even she halked a sense where I love the finale.
I know it's a mix thing, but like I love
what they did the finale. I feel like this is
just like, well, they got to get to the end
of which is roll. They accomplished something and then that's
onto another adventure. Right, That's kind of what I'm expecting.
I'm not expecting it has to be like with Loki.
It's like, oh, you guys really got an nail this.
With this, like as long as it's like not Dad.
I'm pretty happy with the show overall, and I don't
think it's gonna be I think it's gonna end in
a satisfying way because I feel that these back episodes
have all been satisfying. So that's a good thing. So
is there anything else, nons boys we want to talk about.
Speaker 4: No, let's get into it.
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Speaker 1: But so I wanted to ask you because obviously it's
a little backtracked two weeks in row, but because you
were the one member I would assume that didn't get
spoiled on, even in your weeks of not watching. What
did you think about the Billy Maximov reveal.
Speaker 2: It's funny because as I was saying, I wasn't spoiled
on that, and then I thought I was spoiled on
it because I read an article that said this isn't
this isn't Wanda's son, this is Agatha's son, and then
I'm like, oh, that's interesting, and then of course they're
like hinting that direction. So it was a fun reveal
because when you have that moment of rio Aubrey Plazo's character.
I guess now death say, like, you know, the boy's
not yours Agatha, and it's like a really like emotional
scene for Agatha.
Speaker 4: There.
Speaker 2: I actually like felt like, oh my god, that's crazy.
It's actually gonna be Billy Maximov. So I was totally swayed.
I wasn't clever enough to sniff that one out, but
I I I do like it. I I feel like
I'm really interested as to what Tommy's gonna be up to,
just what he's been through this whole time.
Speaker 4: Yeah, I hope not. I hope, I hope a little
more satisfying than that.
Speaker 2: But uh yeah, I'm I'm curious as to, like, knowing
that this is Billy, kind of what Billy's role is
going to be after this show, because I imagine, you know,
out of out of anyone to live.
Speaker 4: Past the show, I'd imagine that was terrifying.
Speaker 2: Uh, he would be the one that Kart just keeps
going forward. They I haven't really mentioned too much about
like the current location of the Scarlet Witch. They've hinted
a couple of times of if she's dead or if
she's not, or we don't really know what else is
going on. But yeah, I did like the reveal, and
I like this dynamic of Agatha paired up with Wanda's son.
Speaker 4: I think that's a fun.
Speaker 2: Yeah, just a fun pairing because I already liked their
on screen chemistry, but now knowing who they are, just
for the role of what Agatha was to Wanda in
The Scarlet Witch, and like now that she's almost like
a father or a father like figure, a motherlike figure
to teen Billy here.
Speaker 4: It's it's fun.
Speaker 2: So yeah, I'm curious as to how it's gonna and
I'm curious if they're gonna be talking more about just
like that dy.
Speaker 4: Maybe like a little counter the amount times.
Speaker 2: Three times, but yeah, just I don't know just if
they're going to discuss more about that and how like
the evil side of Scarlet of the Scarlet Witch, Like,
I'm curious that kind of comes into play.
Speaker 1: Yeah, I know, it was good to ask you here
because there wasn't much this is I feel like because
we got to reveal two weeks ago and then last
week was a very Billy centric episode. Not much Billy
like he's in many parts of the episode, but it's
not like he's just kind of around, right, Like this
episode is definitely a Paul episode. It's more about her
and her journey, which I was, you know, waiting for,
but I wasn't sure when we're gonna get it. But yeah,
I'm I'm excited to see where that dynamic goes. We
got two more weeks of it, and I feel like
we're gonna have to deal with some Rio stuff next
week and then the Witch's Road. So I feel like
this is again back to what we're telling non spoilers
with a show being you know, twenty thirty minutes. Of course,
quality cannot dictate how good a thing can be because
we talk about all time, right like X Men ninety
seven had you know, twenty seven twenty eight minute episodes
in those old bang But I think with these shows
sometimes there is too much going on. I think, like
I said, Witch's Road, probably some other stuff going on.
At least the Salem Seven's taken out. Very I'm of
two minds that because it's like, I think that's good
for the next two because I want as much time
as possible with these characters and to close some things off.
But at the same time, why would they even in
near you know, like just like like just take that out.
Like that's again that these shows in the MCU and
Star Wars sometimes suffer where it's like, okay, we gotta
add That's what I hate is we got to add something.
Speaker 3: And I liked the idea.
Speaker 1: I'm fine that I wish, like do a big fight,
have a bigger impact, but we got to add some force.
It's kind of scary and kind of more comic bookie.
So it looks like there's gonna be something chasing after them,
but really it amount of nothing, a coup they had
to jump on or broom wants and then this time
Patti Lapone took them all out. It's just like, okay,
I like it as a character thing, but I just
wish it was less Nights of Rennie where they were
just faceless whatever.
Speaker 3: And I'm not saying, oh I need these have character arcs,
but just they.
Speaker 1: Set them up to be so big, and I also
just thought like, oh, like swords piercing them as what
kills them. He like, that's it all right, So that's
my thing of now I'd go back and everything the
same sum and than like, oh they look kind of
cool and spooky. I'd take them out because like I
would use those more minutes for the coven or Agatha
or Billy or whatever it is. Right, So that's why
I don't know what or how much these next two
episodes we're gonna get as far as with them acting
because or they're dynamic because they can see there's gonna
be action scenes.
Speaker 3: Maybe. So I feel like this show's gonna end with.
Speaker 1: Them together and we'll get a little more than a dynamic,
and it's gonna be like, oh, we're on a journey together.
Speaker 3: Perhaps, I don't know.
Speaker 1: I think we still gotta I would imagine, have to
get some resolution what happened aga the sun too, right,
So it's like there's as usual, there's a lot to
do left. But I think they will stick landing a
bit better because, like I said, that's uh, the stakes
aren't as high as some of the other stuff. But yeah,
so it's a fun dynamic at the beginning where oh,
you're not gonna talk to your old babysitter, and they do.
It's because it's funny, like they do technically know each other. Right,
I don't know how long he was actually alive for
because they would go from like baby to toddler to
you know, young boy. So I don't know, like if
they were literally alive for just a couple of weeks,
I don't know. Maybe I'll look when you're talking how
long Westview is taken under. But either way, they still
know each other. And I did appreciate they already did
this at the beginning of the show of like talking
about Agatha or talking about Wan being dead, like yeah,
she's dead. Yeah for sure, she's never coming back. They
did that again here where they go. You know, she
didn't say my mom will get in that, but he's like.
Speaker 3: Oh, just want to Max Off really dead?
Speaker 1: She's like yes, no, maybe I don't know, and it's like, yeah,
that's kind of like how it is. It's like, yeah,
whenever Elizabeth Ols wants to come back and whenever they
want her back, until then she's she still.
Speaker 2: Think I was surprised when she said like, yes she
is dead. I'm like, oh, wow, she's just gonna go
with that, and then two seconds later, ah, yeah maybe
we don't know. Yeah, well we'll see what happens. But yeah,
I share your sentiment. On the Salem seven. I was
extremely disappointed. I feel like I was telling myself and like,
there's no way that they're actually dead, right, Like they
gotta they gotta bounce back from these swords. But they
look pretty damn pierced and out of it, like pretty
decommissioned because of that, and I was I feel like
they were just pretty hey looking. So I was maybe
interested in getting a little bit more backstory as to
what like, I don't know just how they got into
that situation, but I don't think we're ever gonna get
those answers now, and I don't think I want those
answers now with as you just reminded me, there's only
two episodes left and we do have a lot to
wrap up.
Speaker 1: So yeah, on the point of the west view, I've
seen some people say twelve days and some people say
twenty six. So my point is, even though they of
course get older and everything like that, these kids were longer,
no are alive, no longer than like a month, you know,
So again they've interacted, but not the most life experience.
Now Billy's been alive for three years, I guess, But
I guess I never know how they like age, when
they age up their mind everything. But so anywhere from
twelve to twenty six, I see conflicting things on the interwebs.
Speaker 4: So interesting.
Speaker 5: I wonder if they'll answer those questions.
Speaker 4: Probably not, No, I don't.
Speaker 3: I hope not. They got other fish to fry.
Speaker 2: You know, yeah, we got plenty of fish to fry.
I feel like there's something else that I was gonna
throw in there, but I can't remember what it was.
But balancing from that, yeah, a lot of Lily's in
this episode. I feel like, I'm happy that all of
like the bouncing to different periods of her life and
like these little images and glimpses, and we've had a
couple of those moments like in the show, whether she
just splurt something out really random and Catherine Hawns just
kind of like, what would you just say? We just
seems really random. I like that it was just kind
of all contained in this episode as opposed to like
every single episode having like she has one of those
moments and then she gets like flashed back to her
talking to her like maestre lady. I don't know, like
I found it interesting. I liked how it was executed
in this episode of just various things happening and then
like they're just in random locations and then it gets
revealed that she's just because what did she say that
she was like, like, what is she like afflicted with that?
She just is like a split I don't know being
I can't remember what the term was that she had
mentioned that she's basically just that flying through different periods
of her life. And I find it interesting. But yeah,
I'm glad it didn't overstay. It's welcome and this being
like a big thing throughout the entire show of just
her like going I feel.
Speaker 4: Like just pacing.
Speaker 2: Wise, it would have been really jarring to have every
episode her like having this conversation with a little Mastra lady.
Speaker 4: But no, I liked it, and I put.
Speaker 1: A payoff that would have been though seven episodes then
finally Ah, but that could have been something who would
have been like, this is ain't working for me right now?
Speaker 3: Yeah, that's scary of this.
Speaker 2: I found the young actress that they found to play
like a young version of Patti Lapone man. They looked identical.
Great casting. I thought that was really really good. So yeah, yeah,
I liked all that stuff.
Speaker 3: Yeah, No, I thought this was a good payoff.
Speaker 1: We talked about since episode one when she had those
flashes when you know, okay, she's seen the future and whatnot,
or you know.
Speaker 3: All over the place.
Speaker 1: This episode, it's not an exact one to one comparison,
but it reminds me of the way Doctor Manhattan talks
about how he lives and how he just drifts in
and out of time. Somehow we'll go back to memory.
But it's not like for us we're like, oh memory.
It's like literally and there'll be somewhere he'll see the future.
Like for example, if you haven't seen Watchman, then I
guess you gotta catch up. But like in the movie,
I can't cause I don't know the combook's been a minute.
But like in the movie, I like this where he says, oh,
you're here, tell me you're sleeping with Dan and she's
like what, how do you know that? And then they
talked for about ten minutes and then she's like, yeah,
I'm sleeping with Dan and he's like how could she?
Speaker 3: And he's like, well, do you already knew that?
Speaker 1: Like that was her in this episode, where she would
know things, but then she'd get like a mini reset.
It's like she had she's logging in an ELM ring
but she has like ten different save files and every
day she's like starting from a different point, you know,
And this was obviously the only reason it got this
bad is because you know, her death was coming, which
we will talk about. But it seems like I don't
know if this was happening her whole life. She said
that happened a lot when her life started, but I
don't know if it was her whole life where it
was just when Agatha came back in and because we
were going down the road of it being the end
of her life.
Speaker 3: So I don't know. But either way, I really enjoyed. Then.
Speaker 1: I thought it was a you know, not that it's
like a clever like it's not like to me like
memento editing, but it's like still something refreshing to see
where Okay, it's a fun layout, And kudos to the
team for me of like making it make sense, because
you could easily I'd say, there's like what four points
where four three, there's them in tunnel, there's them with
the just like the the trial or whatever, and then
there's her past life, and then there's all these spices
that are throughout the episodes. So and those spices, like
I'm saying four as sections, but the fourth splice is
like multiple episodes. It's not just like another location where
the tunnel and her at the trial. That's easy, right, Okay,
put the trial stuff here and that, But even then
it wouldn't go into you know, exact order. Wasn't just
like oh, back and forth, back and forth. You'd go
like a little bit in the scene and then back
to the trial, and then you jump all the way
to the start of the scene you were just watching.
I really enjoyed it, and like I said, I don't know,
like I think there's a couple, but like even when
they showed her doing the cards and they showed Agatha
like buy the trees, I was like, I know that's
probably in there, so I'm excited to watch it back.
I don't think it was like as like bold as
they made it out to be, but maybe it was wrong.
Speaker 3: I'll watch a big oh fuck that scene.
Speaker 1: They did really highlight that, but I thought it was
a good mechanism and it made the the episode entertaining,
like as like obviously as they wrote it this way,
but I mean, like if you were just to play
this episode from start to finish of them getting the
tunnel going to the trial, I don't think it would
be that exciting of an episode.
Speaker 3: It would just be another episode.
Speaker 1: So I think this device is what makes it stand
out and something a little bit different.
Speaker 3: Something we haven't really I'm trying to think of Disney Plus.
Speaker 1: I don't think we've done much with time in the
Disney Plus realm of things.
Speaker 3: I know in the movie we've touched upon it, but
I don't think.
Speaker 4: We either some times stuff Oh yeah.
Speaker 1: You're right, and we have and we have that where
he goes back like he's there for like hundreds of
years or whatnot. So yeah, other than the low key
you know, and this one's like a little bit different
because she's not technically even going back through time.
Speaker 3: She's just experiencing different times at the same time. Right.
So but endgame, I said, Disney flats, I say, because
the movies.
Speaker 1: I'm like, oh god, there's been so much with time,
Like they've changed the fucking definition of time travel ten
times in the universe. It's like, I don't know what
they're doing anymore. But uh uh no, I liked that
device a lot. And yeah they survived the sand no
shit made through the tunnels, obviously, but I feel bad.
Speaker 3: I can't remember then, what's the other names? Which the names? Which?
Speaker 5: Yeah, the other witchest name that was with it, Jennifer.
Speaker 3: Yeah. I feel bad for her.
Speaker 1: That must have been a long ride, you know, just
dealing with her going in and out, you know.
Speaker 2: Oh yeah, absolutely. I feel like I was surprised with
how headshrung she was because throughout this show so far,
I feel like she's kind of been not necessarily a
wild card, just maybe like not fully like in into
the situation, like maybe skeptical of like what they're doing there,
but no, especially getting paired up with Lily of the Games,
getting blinked in and out.
Speaker 1: Of Yeah, that's that's not who you want to be
with in this like life or death situation.
Speaker 3: This is something that I, oh, go ahead, we're you
gonna say something.
Speaker 4: I was gonna go somewhere else, but you that's gonna go.
Speaker 3: Somewhere else too, You go first. Okay.
Speaker 1: I was very happy, and I wish the show had
a lot more of this, that the trial was not
just another house. Sure, it's a room, but I like
that literally where I was going. They look up and
they're like, well that's different. I was like, fuck. Finally,
the third to last episode because like, I don't think
they're like, I don't know if there is any more trials.
We've talked about this before where well, I guess me
and Terror did where Billy wasn't a part of the coven,
so he technically wouldn't have one like Agatha had one,
Like I like, and I don't know where Rio fits
in the situation, because technically the Green Witch should have one,
but it's like, does her being the first.
Speaker 2: One wasn't the Green Witches though, right, like, no, that
was Jennifer's.
Speaker 1: It was Jennifer's, and the music one was off the alices,
and then the the Ouigi boor was Agatha's and this
was Patti lapone, and then I don't think. I don't
think Billy would have one because he wasn't a part
of the coven. Technically they have deemed him a witch now,
so maybe they'll split hairs and be like, oh, no,
he is, but technically you would think it's the Green Witch,
whether it's Rio or Missus Hart.
Speaker 3: So I guess that would fit even next week.
Speaker 1: As far as doing Rios or the Green Witches, because
like it's a way where they don't trust her, even
though Agatha knew her identity, but either way, we'll get
that into a second. I just wish at a few
more episodes maybe again, they did say, hey, this is
the cheapest MCU show, So good for them. I get it,
they gotta keep budgets down.
Speaker 3: I just wish there wasn't so many houses before. So
seeing a castle.
Speaker 1: And seeing just walls and brick and some men and
the swords and looking like medieval, I was like, this
is really all I needed, even if you just like,
even if they had a house on the outside, they
walked and looked completely different, not like real housewives and
all like an eighties band grudge, no, like give us
some other like kind of different eras or locations. So
I appreciate this, and I did really I liked the trial.
The trial like it's not like fun to watch because
like you can't like we're not say aanswers right, It's
not like we could figure it out, like, oh, your
mission is this and you represent this.
Speaker 3: It's like I can't get that.
Speaker 1: But I thought it was done well and I liked
with the swords following everything. So I was a fan
of this trial and I thought it was That's definitely
my favorite one. There's lots going on, but just the
other trials for me, there wasn't there's not been much
for me to to gleam on to the trials that
we've gone unfortunately.
Speaker 2: Yeah, I would agree this one was my favorite. I
think pairing it with the trippy like time stuff too
definitely helps. The location helps.
Speaker 4: I like their attire.
Speaker 2: She's like we could witch the West, and like I
was just like, oh, she got this. She got this
look from me as if Agatha was the original witch.
So that was kind of fun. And yeah, I feel
like I'm just such a sucker for like this type
of trap, you know, like the Indiana Jones of just
like the the ceiling coming down with the spikes or
kind of Star Wars, the withs a lot of these
type of traps they just don't get out, and like
Indiana Jones, you know, I feel like I got I
warmed up more to the idea of jumping into the
Saws because Mattie told or you didn't tell me specifically,
but he said in After nine that you know, you're
mostly in it for the story and not the torture
porn aspect to it, which is.
Speaker 3: Well, we've been saying that for years. I don't know
why Maddy's saying it once gets you where we've said.
Speaker 2: I don't know, his word just gets Yeah, yeah.
Speaker 4: That's probably what it is. But uh yeah, I really
like the trial.
Speaker 2: I liked how teen had his go at it and
the nege is like, hey, my turn. She's just fucking
like spamming every card and swords are just falling.
Speaker 5: Like just just hectic. So yeah, I thought that was fun.
Speaker 1: And yeah I like to and like because it go
back and forth right like Patty Lapone, Like Paula gets
in there for the first time and she's like mad
at team, but they're all like, we forgave her, like
we forgave.
Speaker 3: Him, like we went past this and then we see
the scene later.
Speaker 1: But I like when she throws me a wall and
teenager and Jennifer's like, oh full name.
Speaker 3: You know, I liked that joke there.
Speaker 1: But yeah, they get out of that situation. I'm kind
of jumping all over they get out of that situation.
We talked about the Salem's Lot, so you know, rip
to the Uh to the Krusty seven there, But so
Paula decided to sacrifice herself because she kind of knows
death is coming, but yeah, she's gone now.
Speaker 3: She flips the room upside down. I guess had swords
take them out.
Speaker 1: She saves the cat all the other characters, so we've
got Jennifer, Agatha and Billy left also.
Speaker 3: Who knows what's going on.
Speaker 1: Rio, But uh, yeah, I'm not surprised because I think
we talked about a few of these characters dying.
Speaker 3: I am still wondering if there's like a way for.
Speaker 1: Them to come back, even especially I had said before
missus Hart would come back, but I'm not sure now
because so many of them have died, I wouldn't have
been a poet like I would have felt like, okay,
maybe a couple of dine. They may one more at
the finale. Because so many of them have died, I
don't think they're coming back. But I thought it was
a good enough send send off for and I thought
a strong upisode, like the very ending of the episode
where the little because she said at one point when
she was little, she's our whole life, you know, kind
of flashed her eyes and paraphrasing right, so for her
to die and then the show ends with her back
as the little girl, Like I know it's not this,
but you can almost say you're not even watching the
egg of the show. You just watched her vision of
what her life's gonna be like. And now for her,
it's like starting over. So it's this thing of like
she's kind of always starting over because she's seeing.
Speaker 3: She's living all these times.
Speaker 1: So I thought that was like a very nice understated
I guess it wasn't the ending ending, but for me,
it's like that was an ending of that character that
story that I I appreciate it.
Speaker 3: I thought I had some work to it.
Speaker 2: So yeah, it was a little touching way to end it.
And I don't know it, it seemed less dour and
like sad, I think, having that quick little shot and
then the little girl just kind of smiles, So yeah,
I liked it.
Speaker 3: Yeah.
Speaker 1: So then the reason she did die is because she has,
you know, some visions and she's talking about Okay, well,
the reason this might be happening is because death, and
that's where it's going. It's the end of the road, right,
And they talk about the road and everything leading to death,
and that's what we all be in commneta da and.
Speaker 3: That gives the opportunity for they're in a cave.
Speaker 1: They look up and they see uh Rio, who is
ak Death, and she says, oh, all roads lead to
me because AKA death. So obviously death, just in pulp culture,
is a character, right, whether it's just some spooky stuff,
whether it's a fucking wolf from put some boots. But
obviously in Marvel Lord she does have a big role.
She was the original, which I had seen people make
this joke before, like, oh, man, if I was Sano,
so I would have sacrificed everything.
Speaker 3: For in the original.
Speaker 1: The endgame story, it to me is better, just like
speaking about Watchmen, like how what certain things Zacht does
in there? I like it better than the story The
original story of in Findy war was he got those
gauntlets and the stones and everything, and this whole mission
and like half in the universe was not because of resources,
not to better things. He just had the haughts for
Death and was trying to impress her. Now again, if
it's Aurey plaza, you might get it, but that's where
you know, what if that would have been the plot
of Infinity Warren endgame, I don't know if it would
have been the you know, second and seventh biggest move
or whatever they are. I think they were smart to
make it something a bit more tangible where it's like,
oh yeah, Dano says, the Hawks for death, very comic bookie.
But they have introduced this character I think obviously good casting.
And like I said, there was a funk Go Pop
I think like like week two or three of the
show that had like Aurey Plaz's character it said death
or I'm like okay, which funkals have been wrong before,
but still, okay, this is probably where we're going now.
And yeah, I'm very curious what they're gonna do with
all these characters are introduced. So we talk about with
Billi and Agatha at the end, and also just with
this character, like I don't want to see Aubrey Plaza
in two weeks somehow get just she's death, Like she
should kind of be like a watcher to me, like
around all the time.
Speaker 3: You could defeat or escape, but it's like to be
you know. And again I don't know if she has
like agents, right, was she maybe literally here.
Speaker 1: Just to collect Patti Lapone because she knows pat Lapone's
about to die? Right, Like some tales do that where
death is around you, it's just waiting, but I don't
think so. And at the same time, like what would
they want with Billy or Agatha, which they did clarify
that Agatha knew she was Death. She said she likes
to bad boys, so that was not a big reveal
for her, which I think I appreciate. I don't know
if I needed another scene where it's like, oh my god,
like your death, how could you date me? Or do
this it to It's like I'm interested to see what
does death mean in the MCU six six uivers because
I'll pull up death because I feel like death at
least in that story and if any worse or she
is like the classic like just she's She's just a
spiritual being that's just like, okay, you represent death or
like even like in like Harry Potter and the Deathly Halls, right,
like that's what death is.
Speaker 3: It's just like this figure or is it?
Speaker 1: Like she is called death but they are like superhero
magical spell like powers. Right, It's like she still has
her own agency, like like was she there at endgame
when everyone's dying, She's like taking their soldiers is just
like Thor how he is like Thor is like this
version of thor.
Speaker 3: He's not like really the Norse mythology thor.
Speaker 2: But yeah, no, I'm very interested in what happens going
forward with this character. I feel like I would be
pretty sour if they if they either just kill her
off or like is a really nothing character because this
should be a very important thing. Obviously we all meet
death at some point, so I I really want to
see some some.
Speaker 4: Like I don't know, it's just.
Speaker 3: Some slaz rock in this costume.
Speaker 4: I have that card.
Speaker 2: That's that's uh, I have that card Marble snap, I've
used death.
Speaker 3: But that's what I mean, Like look like manytimes.
Speaker 1: She like like like that's just like okay, the classic
like old story and that's what I mean. Like is
she character going around collecting them. I'm trying gonna try
and find her endgame or Infinity War, but that where
she's like what route they're gonna go? And like obviously
they got an actress, so you got to go a
different route.
Speaker 3: But I I don't know, it's kind of like not
to go back to rings some power. It's not the same, But.
Speaker 1: I wanted to almost be in like a Tom Bambdlle
sort of sense where like it's it's a verse because
he's not like a purpose per se, but he's just
kind of around, Like I kind of would like her
just to be around, but I also don't expect her
to pop up. And like when we watch Sperimen four
and let's say I don't know ned Dies and Aubrey
plais Is, they're like, oh, I take your soul, like
there's only things you get, certain things you can do
with it.
Speaker 2: Right, So she's signed up for every movie coming up.
Speaker 1: The biggest contract of all time, you know, And that's
why it's probably taking a long as introduce her because
it's a hard character to play with.
Speaker 5: I hope, I hope they've planned it out.
Speaker 2: I hope it's not just oh yeah, Alberty Plaza, Okay,
now she's gonna be cool.
Speaker 4: That's cool.
Speaker 1: Yeah, or they kill it off in the finale, right,
I guess that defeats her.
Speaker 3: And then she's gone, right.
Speaker 2: It and like I actually could see that happening. And
then she just goes to like Hell or something and.
Speaker 1: She's like, no, I'll come back like a Scooby Doo villain,
bumps into Mephisto.
Speaker 4: And then yeah, I was like, oh my.
Speaker 5: God, I like ything to do with Spider Man.
Speaker 4: Yeah, so I I don't know.
Speaker 2: I feel like the more we talk about it, the
more worried I get, actually.
Speaker 4: But I don't know. Hopefully they handle it.
Speaker 1: I would love her to be somehow, Like I don't
know how they'll do, and I think they've done some
four of comics. I would love it to It's a
big stretch, but like I think the two points if
she survives, Okay, I guess there's three points, right whenever
they do with Agatha and Wand I've always said if
they do like a wand Of movie or show, which
I think the rumors they're just gonna do a movie
at some point, I think like that's where you could
use characters again, like an Agatha offer Kid's death, Like
that's where you could do it.
Speaker 3: Doctor Strange is like another good touch point of like.
Speaker 1: I would like to see that character incorporate there or
wherever Mephisto is, Like I feel like that's another touch point.
Then third, because not that I want them to do
the Infinity War storyline, but if you could somehow have
her tied with Doom, there could be a way. But again,
I just don't know. That's like it that we have
so much to learn on that situation of right, like
Robert Downey, maybe a different universe like that could be
something harder. So I would like it that if we eventually,
even though we're gonna talk about the newscast a couple
weeks from now, played delayed and definitely so that's great.
But whenever we get there or to midnight suns, I
would be completely fine. If they like Cay, she's gotta
be around a lot, but we are gonna keep it
more to the supernatural stuff. That's kind of like my
brahma of like you get a pass from me. But
if it is the like she's get turns in dust
and she's gone, I would be quite disappointed because then
it's just like just start off the show as her
as death.
Speaker 3: Right, they showed.
Speaker 1: The little they did the sow flashback where the other
showed her crawl from the ground like death. When they
did the Luigi Bard and said death and she laughed
like I get it. But then I would rather have
you know that reveal come mid season. If you're gonna
take her out, that's my hope is they're not going
to take her out. It's just again we've talked about before.
It's like, well, you know, Moonnight was introduced about three
years ago. Now where's he you know, where what's Werewolf
by Night doing? What's uh, what's she all doing? Like
the same thing as this is another character where it's like, hey,
we need something really cool for the show. Death's a
character that's supernatural. I'll be plas wil be a great fit. Okay, cool,
let's do it. And then never heard of again, you know,
And that's what I could just well happened.
Speaker 4: So yeah, hopefully it's not the case.
Speaker 3: Yeah, hopefully it's not the case.
Speaker 1: Let's see, so we had that happen pelopone's death. Yeah,
AF and Billy not really in this episode that much.
They're like they had their yeah, one of those scenes there,
but which is fine. I imagine they're gonna get a
lot of play in the next two Do you think
Jennifer is gonna make.
Speaker 3: It out of this? Are they all dying?
Speaker 5: I think Jennifer's fifty to fifty.
Speaker 2: Honestly, I could see her living and then just going
back to kind of doing her thing, so that like
she she's a character that going past the show, like
even if she doesn't die.
Speaker 4: It's completely fun if you never see her again.
Speaker 3: So yeah, I could see I bet we'll never see
her ever again.
Speaker 2: In my opinion, I think it's fifty to fifty on
if she lives or dies, though, and then who else
would we have I guess just death.
Speaker 4: Yeah, we already talked about her, and.
Speaker 2: Yeah, that's the last of the witches, eh Agatha, I guess.
Speaker 4: But I think she's living.
Speaker 1: I think I think she's living too. And then Billy,
which I'd imagine you wouldn't introduce Billy just to fucking
kill her out Norman, Yeah, which I wonder this is
how which I guess it's not a big reveal to her.
Speaker 3: I guess.
Speaker 1: The only reason I would have thought you could reveal
that she's deaf to Agatha and then there be a
conversation is you would imagine, like a couple of weeks ago,
when she said, oh, that's not your son, you would
imagine there could be some ties to that, right, Like,
I'm not sure.
Speaker 3: I guess it's just a dark hole.
Speaker 1: But if it's a son dying and she's deaf, you
could imagine that maybe there's some knowledge there.
Speaker 3: But again, I don't know what the reason is for
them to talk about it.
Speaker 1: I was surprised Billy didn't bring it up. He had
because at the beginning when I guess, I was like, oh,
you ask me anything, and he asked about Rio. She go,
I can't talk about that. I thought he would have
asked about the sun Nicolas scratch first, but he didn't.
Speaker 3: So, yeah, I'm.
Speaker 1: Curious what we're gonna get next week. As far as
it was just a good thing.
Speaker 3: We don't have to wait.
Speaker 1: We're gonna get the ending of episode eight and then
episode nine will be right around the corner.
Speaker 3: So yeah, is there anything else? I have one more?
Non swiss was a quick fact, but anything else non
spoilers to bring up.
Speaker 4: No, I think that's it.
Speaker 3: No, just over not.
Speaker 1: Yeah, we're gonna take our first ad break will be
just like the like Paula character, just like we keep
the people tune in, they're like eight hour review and
it's just I'll just keep jumping to multiple places.
Speaker 3: That'd be great.
Speaker 1: So I had to ask you about this. But because
it did tie in this week, did you notice what
the end credit song was for this episode? No, it
was Time in a Bottle. It was a song that
Quicksilver runs to in days.
Speaker 3: Of future Past.
Speaker 1: I'm like, I get a bike time and a bottle
so interesting again, I've given up on that ever.
Speaker 3: Being, I think. But yeah, I didn't even talking to
you about the Boner.
Speaker 1: What do you think about Ralph Boner making his glorious
return Bone Eater sixty nine last week?
Speaker 2: I definitely laughed out loud, and I felt bummed that
I missed the review because I'm like, I just wanted
to see Travis's reaction. I all have to go back
and watch them.
Speaker 3: I've come to grips with it.
Speaker 1: I knew it was coming when they're like, we got
to talk to somebody, So it's fine.
Speaker 2: They liked a joke, so I wasn't expecting it at all,
So that that was a That was a nice That
was a nice, funny one for me, and I like
explained the situation as Shay and it's just I feel
like I was reliving like the Wanda vision thing of it,
Like like just because it's been so long, you just
kind of forget how it felt, you know, to rip
that band aid and to see Evan Peters, but to
not have him as Quicksilver.
Speaker 4: It was.
Speaker 2: Weird gut punch feeling that we had way back in
the one division days.
Speaker 3: Yeah, it was just like a little reminder.
Speaker 1: It's just kind of like he's the guy that like
your girlfriend cheated on you with and then you're like, hey,
I think I'm over that whatever. Then years later you're
bump into him bar You're like, oh, yeah, fuck this guy.
But it's like but then, but for me it was
like yeah, but like now you're off that relationship, right,
so it's not his deal. It's not a big deal.
So you know, like hung up about it. But it
was me last week where it's like, okay, whatever, but
it's still like, yeah, it was still fuck that guy.
You know, I don't want to be his friend or
anything like that. Who knows, maybe he'll come back. I
don't know, but uh yeah, Well next week will be
the final Agatha review and then the I guess the
last time. So you think we're talking about because they
today was confirmed that uh Spiderman, I guess it's not
MC but the Spiderman Freshman Year that's not coming out
this year. I don't know if there's any like Christmas
or holiday specials. We don't know much about what if,
so this could be this could be it Venom and
Agatha ending us off these next eight days. What I
can tell you that I imagine Agatha finale, whatever they
do is gonna be more satisfying, but who knows. I'
Forrid to pimp that out check out. We will be
reviewing Venom in the next twenty four hours, and that's
gonna be us and Taylor and Dylanan that's gonna be
a gonna be a fun review. No matter what happens
in that movie, it'll be a fun time and it
will not be boring.
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