WEBVTT 1 00:00:00.320 --> 00:00:02.240 Joining us now to tak a little football could have 2 00:00:02.319 --> 00:00:06.839 Max Chadwick from Pro Football Focus back on the show, Max. 3 00:00:06.639 --> 00:00:08.320 I do man good? 4 00:00:08.359 --> 00:00:09.000 Are you guys doing? 5 00:00:09.519 --> 00:00:11.519 We're good? We're good. Well, I'm good. 6 00:00:11.759 --> 00:00:14.720 A lot of our Youte fan listeners aren't as good because, 7 00:00:14.759 --> 00:00:18.399 as you know, for the second straight year, Cameron Rising 8 00:00:18.559 --> 00:00:19.079 is out man. 9 00:00:19.079 --> 00:00:20.640 He's out for the entire season. 10 00:00:21.280 --> 00:00:23.199 I saw a tweet you sent out about the potential 11 00:00:23.239 --> 00:00:25.160 of him coming back for an eighth year, which of 12 00:00:25.160 --> 00:00:29.079 course topically is a hot one today for Sportstock Radio. 13 00:00:29.920 --> 00:00:34.960 What's the Max Chadwick take on the second real punitive 14 00:00:35.000 --> 00:00:38.159 injury for Cameron Rising and whether or not he should 15 00:00:38.240 --> 00:00:40.439 entertain the option of coming back next year if it's 16 00:00:40.439 --> 00:00:41.000 on the table. 17 00:00:42.079 --> 00:00:44.000 You know, first of all, it's brutal for a guy that, 18 00:00:44.159 --> 00:00:47.159 unfortunately his whole career has been marred by injuries, not 19 00:00:47.280 --> 00:00:49.359 just this year, not just last year. Really can go 20 00:00:49.399 --> 00:00:51.000 back to it, pretty much every year of his career 21 00:00:51.039 --> 00:00:53.960 he suffered pretty serious injury and almost every single year. 22 00:00:54.399 --> 00:00:56.600 My take is that I know this isn't a popular take. 23 00:00:56.880 --> 00:00:59.520 If Utah wants him back, you should absolutely go back 24 00:00:59.520 --> 00:01:03.439 to school. He's the rare college star that is not 25 00:01:03.679 --> 00:01:06.280 really have a pro future in the NFL, and in 26 00:01:06.319 --> 00:01:08.760 today's day and age of NIL, I saw reports that 27 00:01:08.799 --> 00:01:10.959 he was making anywhere from five hundred thousand dollars a 28 00:01:11.040 --> 00:01:14.359 year to one point five million dollars a year. Why 29 00:01:14.400 --> 00:01:16.359 not come back for another year and make that kind 30 00:01:16.400 --> 00:01:18.519 of money again instead of trying to go out in 31 00:01:18.560 --> 00:01:20.480 the real world and get and getting a job where 32 00:01:20.959 --> 00:01:22.560 I don't know what he's majoring in, but I can 33 00:01:22.599 --> 00:01:25.239 promise he's probably not gonna make a million dollars a 34 00:01:25.319 --> 00:01:28.359 year and whatever job he does after college, right, so 35 00:01:28.680 --> 00:01:31.239 he doesn't really have an NFL future. And in today's 36 00:01:31.280 --> 00:01:33.359 day and age of NIL, I think you should milk 37 00:01:33.400 --> 00:01:36.079 this as much as possible and make another at least 38 00:01:36.159 --> 00:01:38.920 five hundred k, if not a million dollars. So for me, 39 00:01:39.000 --> 00:01:40.599 if i'm him, plus that you get to play the 40 00:01:40.640 --> 00:01:42.640 sport that you love for another year as well. I 41 00:01:42.719 --> 00:01:44.359 understand it's not very popular. I know a lot of 42 00:01:44.439 --> 00:01:46.400 Utah fans want to move on from it, but I 43 00:01:46.439 --> 00:01:48.640 think you should take advantage of the system and then 44 00:01:48.680 --> 00:01:50.560 get as much money as possible. In my opinion. 45 00:01:50.799 --> 00:01:52.719 See, I'm with you, and you're right. 46 00:01:52.760 --> 00:01:55.400 It isn't popular, but we all went to college for 47 00:01:55.439 --> 00:01:57.319 one reason, and that is to find our way through 48 00:01:57.359 --> 00:02:01.159 the world, find employment, find a career. And I guarantee 49 00:02:01.200 --> 00:02:04.680 every single youth fan who's yelling or being brave online 50 00:02:04.719 --> 00:02:07.400 about wanting Cameron gone, if they have the opportunity to 51 00:02:07.439 --> 00:02:09.120 do what they love to do and make a million 52 00:02:09.199 --> 00:02:11.439 dollars at the age of twenty six and it meant 53 00:02:11.479 --> 00:02:13.759 going back to school, they would do it, all of them. Right, 54 00:02:14.199 --> 00:02:17.000 So I am I am with you if Cameron wants 55 00:02:17.039 --> 00:02:19.680 to and if the nil money is still there. I 56 00:02:19.759 --> 00:02:21.960 don't know if it would be there though, because there's 57 00:02:21.960 --> 00:02:23.199 a lot of fatigue in the market. 58 00:02:23.280 --> 00:02:24.400 So Max, let me ask you this. 59 00:02:24.599 --> 00:02:28.360 If you were if you're Kyle Whittingham, if you're Andy Ludwig, 60 00:02:28.360 --> 00:02:31.120 are you interested in Cameron Rising coming back for an 61 00:02:31.120 --> 00:02:33.479 eighth year next year or do you feel like they 62 00:02:33.680 --> 00:02:36.520 may just want to move on and see what they 63 00:02:36.520 --> 00:02:37.840 have in Isaac Wilson. 64 00:02:38.759 --> 00:02:40.960 That's a complicated answer right there. I think that's the 65 00:02:41.039 --> 00:02:43.319 question that I think everyone should be asking, rather than 66 00:02:43.360 --> 00:02:46.319 should Cam come back? Right, I think the question should 67 00:02:46.360 --> 00:02:49.319 do because you want him back. I think it's an 68 00:02:49.319 --> 00:02:50.919 interesting one because I think there's a couple there's the 69 00:02:50.960 --> 00:02:52.759 reasons say yes, And there's the reasons say no. I think 70 00:02:52.759 --> 00:02:55.360 the reasons say yes is, hey, he's still a pretty 71 00:02:55.360 --> 00:02:57.879 solid quarterback when he's fully healthy. Obviously the Arizona State 72 00:02:57.919 --> 00:02:59.479 game he is not fully healthy at all, which is 73 00:02:59.479 --> 00:03:02.159 why he short so much. So yeah, you would say yeah, 74 00:03:02.199 --> 00:03:05.680 you'd want him back for another year. And also Isaac Wilson. Yeah, 75 00:03:05.680 --> 00:03:07.639 I get he's a true freshman, but he has not 76 00:03:07.680 --> 00:03:09.800 looked great when he's been out there. Right, But the 77 00:03:09.840 --> 00:03:11.800 reason you say no is saying, Okay, we want to 78 00:03:11.800 --> 00:03:15.479 start the next era of Utah football Cam Rising if 79 00:03:15.479 --> 00:03:18.360 he is probably only gonna be able to play next year, 80 00:03:18.360 --> 00:03:20.840 and then obviously after that his career is over. Isaac 81 00:03:20.879 --> 00:03:22.639 Wilson you're hoping could be your next quarterback for the 82 00:03:22.639 --> 00:03:25.319 next one to two years. Right, So there's no guarantee 83 00:03:25.360 --> 00:03:28.360 that Isaac Wilson wouldn't transfer if Cam Rising came back 84 00:03:28.360 --> 00:03:30.479 for another year. So it's really a question of if 85 00:03:30.520 --> 00:03:32.599 you want to build for the future with Isaac Wilson 86 00:03:33.000 --> 00:03:35.639 or if you want a solid twenty twenty five season 87 00:03:36.120 --> 00:03:38.319 with Cam Rising. I'd rather go with Cam Rising for 88 00:03:38.360 --> 00:03:40.719 twenty twenty five, But if you want the future play, 89 00:03:40.960 --> 00:03:42.719 then you go with Isaac Wilson. So it's really about 90 00:03:42.719 --> 00:03:45.280 what Kayle Winningham wants in that program right now. So that, 91 00:03:45.759 --> 00:03:47.360 I think is the real question that everyone should be 92 00:03:47.400 --> 00:03:48.039 asking right now. 93 00:03:48.479 --> 00:03:50.360 Or do you wait and see how the rest of 94 00:03:50.400 --> 00:03:52.759 the year plays out with Isaac Hunter Center. There's only 95 00:03:52.800 --> 00:03:55.759 six games left then, coach wit announcing that Isaac is 96 00:03:55.840 --> 00:03:59.280 QB one and Brandon Rose is QB two, So maybe you. 97 00:03:59.400 --> 00:04:01.280 Just wait and see what you have in Isaac. 98 00:04:01.360 --> 00:04:04.960 Because for me, Max, I'm viewing what's happening now moving 99 00:04:05.000 --> 00:04:07.240 forward with Isaac. I'm kind of giving him a clean sheet, 100 00:04:07.680 --> 00:04:11.639 clean slate here because even Mackai Bernard after practice yesterday 101 00:04:11.680 --> 00:04:13.840 admitted that they have been putting in two different game 102 00:04:13.879 --> 00:04:17.519 plans for the contingency. As far as who's going to 103 00:04:17.519 --> 00:04:20.360 be under center, now that's off the table now Isaac 104 00:04:20.399 --> 00:04:23.279 knows the job is his. So I'm looking at what's 105 00:04:23.360 --> 00:04:25.639 next as something that's kind of new for Isaac because 106 00:04:25.680 --> 00:04:27.959 he does have the job security he didn't have before. 107 00:04:28.439 --> 00:04:30.279 So maybe you wait and see what you have for 108 00:04:30.360 --> 00:04:32.480 the next six games and then make a decision on 109 00:04:32.519 --> 00:04:34.319 whether or not you want Cam back after. 110 00:04:35.279 --> 00:04:36.920 Yeah, I think that's a great point. I think it's 111 00:04:36.920 --> 00:04:38.360 exactly what they're going to do now, right. I think 112 00:04:38.360 --> 00:04:40.560 you made a great point that, hey, Isaac was going 113 00:04:40.600 --> 00:04:42.240 into every game not knowing if you would be the 114 00:04:42.240 --> 00:04:45.000 starting quarterback a Cam Rising every week was questionable, right, 115 00:04:45.040 --> 00:04:46.600 And then he would work out pre game and then 116 00:04:46.839 --> 00:04:48.639 at the very end of it was say, Okay, no, Isac, 117 00:04:48.639 --> 00:04:50.720 you're actually the guys. So that's a very hard situation 118 00:04:50.800 --> 00:04:52.120 for a true freshman. 119 00:04:52.040 --> 00:04:52.560 To be in. 120 00:04:53.000 --> 00:04:54.639 Now that he knows is his job for the rest 121 00:04:54.639 --> 00:04:57.079 of the year, maybe he gets more comfortable and he 122 00:04:57.160 --> 00:04:59.399 starts playing a lot better. So if he does start 123 00:04:59.399 --> 00:05:02.279 playing a lot better, then I think you could say, okay, yeah, 124 00:05:02.399 --> 00:05:04.839 maybe okay, they should tell Cam Rising, hey, yeah, you 125 00:05:04.839 --> 00:05:06.720 can come back for another year, but you might not 126 00:05:06.759 --> 00:05:08.759 be the starter, right or Cam Rising and they could 127 00:05:08.759 --> 00:05:10.720 tell him, hey, why don't you endo the portal and 128 00:05:10.720 --> 00:05:13.519 go somewhere else and play somewhere else for your final 129 00:05:13.600 --> 00:05:16.439 year or wherever like that. So if Isaac played really 130 00:05:16.480 --> 00:05:19.160 well in the final six games, then I would say, yeah, 131 00:05:19.160 --> 00:05:21.240 then I would probably look to the future and build 132 00:05:21.279 --> 00:05:23.519 with Isaac Wilson for twenty twenty five and twenty twenty 133 00:05:23.560 --> 00:05:26.720 six and beyond maybe even But if not, if he 134 00:05:26.720 --> 00:05:29.199 doesn't play well, then I think you start talking about, Okay, 135 00:05:29.199 --> 00:05:30.720 do we want to bring back Cam Rising for an 136 00:05:30.759 --> 00:05:31.160 eighth year? 137 00:05:32.199 --> 00:05:36.120 So you referenced Friday night a rough night for Utah football, 138 00:05:36.279 --> 00:05:38.839 rough weekend for Utah football fans, Max, I can tell 139 00:05:38.839 --> 00:05:42.079 you that much. And coach went after the game when 140 00:05:42.120 --> 00:05:46.199 asked about because to your point, Cam was clearly compromised, 141 00:05:46.519 --> 00:05:48.720 and if you watch the slow motion replay of him 142 00:05:48.759 --> 00:05:52.079 getting rolled up on after the third snap, it looked awful, 143 00:05:52.199 --> 00:05:54.160 like I thought the leg was broken. Then I was 144 00:05:54.199 --> 00:05:56.639 stunned he got up, and even more stunt that he played, 145 00:05:57.040 --> 00:05:59.519 and then even more stunned that they kept him in 146 00:05:59.560 --> 00:06:01.279 the game and he clearly he couldn't even make a 147 00:06:01.319 --> 00:06:04.199 ten yard out. I mean everything was short, had wide 148 00:06:04.199 --> 00:06:07.199 open wide receivers. Coach went after the game said that 149 00:06:07.319 --> 00:06:09.639 Cameron wanted to play, and he said, hey, look I 150 00:06:09.680 --> 00:06:09.959 get it. 151 00:06:10.000 --> 00:06:10.920 He's a season vet. 152 00:06:11.079 --> 00:06:13.839 This kid won you two Pac twelve championships and brought 153 00:06:13.879 --> 00:06:16.120 you to two Rose Bulls. He has built in equity 154 00:06:16.160 --> 00:06:19.319 that maybe other players don't. Then on Monday morning, during 155 00:06:19.480 --> 00:06:24.199 during coach wiz media availability, he reiterated the desire Cameron 156 00:06:24.240 --> 00:06:27.040 had to play, and therefore they played him and referenced 157 00:06:27.040 --> 00:06:29.040 one drive they had right before the half where they 158 00:06:29.040 --> 00:06:29.920 moved the ball a little bit. 159 00:06:30.000 --> 00:06:32.120 But the red zone issues all year have been horrible 160 00:06:33.000 --> 00:06:33.279 for me. 161 00:06:33.360 --> 00:06:35.839 The onus is on the coach to take the player out, 162 00:06:35.879 --> 00:06:38.000 because I don't think there are very many players that, 163 00:06:38.120 --> 00:06:40.720 if given the option, would want to, you know, tap 164 00:06:40.759 --> 00:06:43.680 out of playing, especially a player like Cameron who's been 165 00:06:43.720 --> 00:06:46.399 sitting for three games and is just getting guff from 166 00:06:46.399 --> 00:06:48.879 the fan base for sitting out Like he wanted to play, 167 00:06:48.879 --> 00:06:50.680 of course, but he was clearly compromised. 168 00:06:51.079 --> 00:06:52.920 I think that's on the grown ups in the room, 169 00:06:53.079 --> 00:06:56.279 not on Cameron. What do you think, Max, Yeah, I 170 00:06:56.319 --> 00:06:57.160 completely agree with you. 171 00:06:57.199 --> 00:07:00.000 I think you have any any player player a scale 172 00:07:00.040 --> 00:07:02.040 and still want to play, right, and you can't. You 173 00:07:02.079 --> 00:07:04.519 can't say, oh, well, he wants to play, so we 174 00:07:04.560 --> 00:07:06.360 got to let him play. Like that's not at all 175 00:07:06.439 --> 00:07:08.399 what your job is. Right. If a guy is hurt, 176 00:07:08.439 --> 00:07:11.399 he's hurt, and Cam Rising was clearly hurt out there, 177 00:07:11.639 --> 00:07:13.680 and then now, obviously two days later, we're talking about 178 00:07:13.720 --> 00:07:15.720 him being out for the entire season, right, So he 179 00:07:15.839 --> 00:07:18.480 had a season ending injury and he played the rest 180 00:07:18.519 --> 00:07:21.120 of the game. On it, which is obviously not safe 181 00:07:21.240 --> 00:07:23.959 at all. Yeah, I do blame Kyle winning him of 182 00:07:24.000 --> 00:07:25.639 the staff for that, because that is definitely not a 183 00:07:25.639 --> 00:07:28.160 good thing for that staff to be doing. So yeah, 184 00:07:28.199 --> 00:07:31.240 I think that is a that's definitely a problem with 185 00:07:31.319 --> 00:07:34.399 that staff for allowing him to do that, honestly. So, 186 00:07:34.839 --> 00:07:36.879 uh yeah, I think I'm with you. I definitely think 187 00:07:36.920 --> 00:07:38.480 that they should have taken him out of that game 188 00:07:38.480 --> 00:07:40.959 because you could tell even even you know, more so 189 00:07:41.040 --> 00:07:43.600 than this Cam Rosing safety, they weren't doing anything with 190 00:07:43.680 --> 00:07:45.959 him in that game right there. I really felt watching 191 00:07:46.000 --> 00:07:48.720 that game that Isaac Wilson, even though I thought he's 192 00:07:48.759 --> 00:07:51.000 been rough to start the year, he probably gave him 193 00:07:51.000 --> 00:07:52.600 a better chance to win that game than what Cam 194 00:07:52.680 --> 00:07:55.000 Rising was showing out there. So yeah, I'm with you, 195 00:07:55.040 --> 00:07:57.480 just for from an from a results perspective and from 196 00:07:57.519 --> 00:07:59.800 a safety perspective, Cam Rosing should not have been allowed 197 00:07:59.800 --> 00:08:00.759 to finish that game. 198 00:08:01.279 --> 00:08:04.000 So you know, what coach wit has really built his 199 00:08:04.240 --> 00:08:08.079 resume on is a tough, rugged, physical football team that 200 00:08:08.160 --> 00:08:10.959 can run the football and stop the run regardless of 201 00:08:10.959 --> 00:08:13.160 who's under center. So my guess is, Max, It's going 202 00:08:13.240 --> 00:08:15.079 to look a lot like some of the old school 203 00:08:15.079 --> 00:08:18.759 teams like Cameron has been brilliant when he's been healthy, 204 00:08:18.879 --> 00:08:20.680 but there were a lot of you know, there were 205 00:08:20.680 --> 00:08:23.720 some years with a Brian Johnson, Tyler Huntley was really 206 00:08:23.720 --> 00:08:26.120 good in twenty nineteen, but there were also you know, 207 00:08:26.199 --> 00:08:31.000 Jordan Wyn, Travis Wilson, good tough quarterbacks, but ultimately an 208 00:08:31.040 --> 00:08:33.799 offense that was run heavy in a defense that was dominant. 209 00:08:34.240 --> 00:08:37.240 Do you anticipate now that Isaac's under center moving forward 210 00:08:37.320 --> 00:08:38.919 it's going to look a lot like that where they're 211 00:08:38.960 --> 00:08:41.799 going to rely on running back in Mackay Bernard, who 212 00:08:41.840 --> 00:08:44.840 has established himself as a bellcow, an offensive line who's 213 00:08:44.879 --> 00:08:47.399 really good, and then hope the defense because the defense 214 00:08:47.480 --> 00:08:49.759 is giving up five yards per rushian conference. This is 215 00:08:49.799 --> 00:08:52.679 not just an offensive issue. But moving forward with Isaac 216 00:08:52.759 --> 00:08:55.360 under center, is that the type of attack you anticipate? 217 00:08:56.519 --> 00:08:59.000 Yeah, I would like, I said Isaac Wilson, not sertainly. 218 00:08:59.240 --> 00:09:02.840 He's a great passer, just yet it's very young into 219 00:09:02.879 --> 00:09:04.960 his career. He's obviously a true freshman, so we'll see. 220 00:09:04.960 --> 00:09:06.759 And he's a four star recruit coming out, so he's 221 00:09:06.759 --> 00:09:09.200 definitely a talented kid. But the run game is where 222 00:09:09.279 --> 00:09:10.879 Utah is gonna be relying on the rest of the year. 223 00:09:10.879 --> 00:09:12.960 They've been really good running back of cobit Ard, and 224 00:09:13.080 --> 00:09:16.080 right now Utah actually leads the power for in run 225 00:09:16.120 --> 00:09:19.480 blocking grade this year. So Utah's offensive line has been 226 00:09:19.679 --> 00:09:22.080 you know, really kicking button taking names honestly in the 227 00:09:22.159 --> 00:09:25.000 run game. So yeah, that's probably where I would go 228 00:09:25.080 --> 00:09:27.039 with for the rest of the For the rest of 229 00:09:27.039 --> 00:09:29.159 the year is really really rely on that run game. 230 00:09:29.360 --> 00:09:31.480 And then defensively, You're right, they have to step up better. 231 00:09:31.480 --> 00:09:33.360 I mean they have not played great defensively. I mean 232 00:09:33.399 --> 00:09:36.000 camp Scataboo too great against him. The run d has 233 00:09:36.000 --> 00:09:38.559 not been great all year. Yeah, they definitely got to 234 00:09:38.559 --> 00:09:40.559 play a lot better and and tackle a lot better. Honestly. 235 00:09:40.639 --> 00:09:43.919 Defensively something the coverage unit is pretty good, but other 236 00:09:44.000 --> 00:09:45.840 than that, the pass rush has not been great. The 237 00:09:45.879 --> 00:09:48.120 run defense has not been great. The front seven in 238 00:09:48.159 --> 00:09:50.840 general has not really played great. I think the secondary 239 00:09:50.879 --> 00:09:52.960 has played really well, but other than that, I think 240 00:09:53.000 --> 00:09:55.080 that the defense deve has to do a lot better upfront. 241 00:09:55.440 --> 00:09:58.120 So the silver lining last Utah thing, move on to 242 00:09:58.120 --> 00:10:02.960 some other college football topics. Over Lining is my guess, 243 00:10:02.960 --> 00:10:05.639 max is there will be at least one or maybe 244 00:10:05.720 --> 00:10:09.000 multiple teams in the Big Twelve Championship with multiple losses. 245 00:10:09.039 --> 00:10:11.240 I don't think Iowa State or BYU were staying clean 246 00:10:11.279 --> 00:10:14.120 all year. I could be wrong, certainly, and that means 247 00:10:14.279 --> 00:10:17.360 really there's still everything on the table now they'd probably 248 00:10:17.440 --> 00:10:20.039 have to run the table. Right, So six games left, 249 00:10:20.600 --> 00:10:23.399 I think they're gonna be favored in every game. I'm 250 00:10:23.399 --> 00:10:25.799 not sure because they do have BYU and Iowa State, 251 00:10:25.879 --> 00:10:29.120 but both those games are in Salt Lake TCU Saturday, 252 00:10:29.200 --> 00:10:29.919 then it's Houston. 253 00:10:30.000 --> 00:10:32.279 They close the season at UCF. Just what do you 254 00:10:32.279 --> 00:10:33.919 think it looks like the rest of the way. 255 00:10:34.399 --> 00:10:36.080 Is there a chance they could get all six and 256 00:10:36.120 --> 00:10:37.840 maybe still have something to say about a Big Twelve 257 00:10:37.919 --> 00:10:39.559 championship when it's all said and done. 258 00:10:41.480 --> 00:10:44.240 It's tough, you know, now that Isaac Wilson's guarantee to 259 00:10:44.279 --> 00:10:46.120 be the starter of the rest of the year. I'm 260 00:10:46.120 --> 00:10:48.960 thinking more like a seven and five season for Utah 261 00:10:49.039 --> 00:10:51.879 right now looking at them. So, yeah, I think you 262 00:10:51.879 --> 00:10:54.720 mentioned I mean that the BYU game yet it is 263 00:10:54.799 --> 00:10:57.200 in Salt Lake. But BYU has looked really, really good 264 00:10:57.200 --> 00:10:59.399 this year. Iowa States looked really good this year, and 265 00:10:59.399 --> 00:11:01.440 then that's the home for Utah as well. And then 266 00:11:01.440 --> 00:11:03.799 at Colorado. That's not easy, right Colorad. I don't think 267 00:11:03.799 --> 00:11:05.320 I don't even know if Utah will be favored. Probably 268 00:11:05.320 --> 00:11:07.320 wouldn't favor Utah in the Colorado game right now the 269 00:11:07.360 --> 00:11:10.679 way Colorado's looking, So yeah, I think with Isaac Wilson 270 00:11:10.720 --> 00:11:12.799 guarantee to be the start of the rest of the year, 271 00:11:13.559 --> 00:11:15.200 I don't really know if they would be favored in 272 00:11:15.519 --> 00:11:17.000 a few of those games. So yeah, I think we're 273 00:11:17.000 --> 00:11:19.519 talking more about a seven and five type of year 274 00:11:19.519 --> 00:11:22.600 for Utah. And I'm not really thinking they're much of 275 00:11:22.639 --> 00:11:25.399 a Big twelve contender right now, but they definitely could 276 00:11:25.399 --> 00:11:27.320 be if iain Wilson plays a lot better. 277 00:11:27.879 --> 00:11:29.879 So you reference by U, the best team in the 278 00:11:29.879 --> 00:11:32.360 state might be about forty miles down south. And you 279 00:11:32.399 --> 00:11:34.360 know what's interesting, Max, and I know you know this, 280 00:11:34.519 --> 00:11:38.679 but Kline Satake, their head coach, Aaron Rodgers, their offensive coordinator, 281 00:11:38.720 --> 00:11:41.320 and Jay Hill their defensive coordinator, all either played or 282 00:11:41.320 --> 00:11:43.879 coach to Utah and often talk about. 283 00:11:43.639 --> 00:11:47.399 Coach Wit as a mentor. They're using the Utah ethos. 284 00:11:47.639 --> 00:11:50.360 They're like out Utah in Utah right now because they're 285 00:11:50.399 --> 00:11:53.679 causing havoc plays. The defense is good, the offense has 286 00:11:53.720 --> 00:11:55.679 been better than expected, but their bread and butter is 287 00:11:55.720 --> 00:11:59.679 their physicality, and they're creating turnovers and therefore putting their 288 00:11:59.679 --> 00:12:03.120 offense and advantageous situations. I think a lot of people 289 00:12:03.159 --> 00:12:05.440 have questions, but I think at this point those questions 290 00:12:05.440 --> 00:12:07.759 have been answered. As we sit here with BYU at 291 00:12:07.759 --> 00:12:09.879 six and oh overall and three and zero in conference, 292 00:12:09.919 --> 00:12:11.039 what stands out most to you? 293 00:12:12.240 --> 00:12:13.919 Yeah, with stands out to me that they do only 294 00:12:13.919 --> 00:12:16.159 have a clear weakness right now. I wouldn't say there's 295 00:12:16.159 --> 00:12:18.799 a really like a superstar on BYU that's really carrying 296 00:12:18.799 --> 00:12:21.320 the team right now. There's a really well rounded team 297 00:12:21.360 --> 00:12:23.759 that you're looking at. So I've been really impressed by 298 00:12:23.799 --> 00:12:25.639 what they've done so far. Obviously, they've probably been the 299 00:12:25.639 --> 00:12:28.159 biggest surprise in college football as a school that we 300 00:12:28.200 --> 00:12:30.559 thought would win four or five games going into the year. 301 00:12:30.759 --> 00:12:33.399 Now they've already surpassed that with a six and l record. Yeah, 302 00:12:33.440 --> 00:12:34.679 I think we were talking about like the ten and 303 00:12:34.720 --> 00:12:36.360 two type of year for BUYU, which is something that 304 00:12:36.399 --> 00:12:38.799 I never thought what we'd be talking about before the year. Yeah, 305 00:12:38.840 --> 00:12:41.159 they're definitely a legitimate Big twelve contener right now. 306 00:12:41.639 --> 00:12:45.559 So Oklahoma State rolls into Provo Friday Night, and it's 307 00:12:45.799 --> 00:12:48.200 you know, every year the media has a lot of misses. 308 00:12:48.279 --> 00:12:50.440 I don't think I remember a year where the media 309 00:12:50.480 --> 00:12:52.480 had as many misses in a conference as the media 310 00:12:52.480 --> 00:12:55.200 has had this year. Okay State I think pick to 311 00:12:55.200 --> 00:12:59.240 finish third by the media, and I think the Vegas 312 00:12:59.240 --> 00:13:02.639 odds favorite them right behind Utah and k States also 313 00:13:02.679 --> 00:13:03.480 finished third. 314 00:13:03.879 --> 00:13:06.759 They're bad and they do not have a conference win. 315 00:13:07.000 --> 00:13:09.600 Utah went to Stillwater and beat them with Isaac Hunters center, 316 00:13:09.960 --> 00:13:11.639 that win doesn't look as good as it did then 317 00:13:11.679 --> 00:13:13.679 because they've lost a couple of games since then. They 318 00:13:13.720 --> 00:13:16.159 are coming in off a bye byu Is in nine 319 00:13:16.200 --> 00:13:17.000 point favorite. 320 00:13:17.000 --> 00:13:17.320 Max. 321 00:13:17.679 --> 00:13:20.559 If I told you before the season started Oklahoma State 322 00:13:20.639 --> 00:13:22.799 was going to roll in a provo and they were 323 00:13:22.799 --> 00:13:24.799 gonna be almost a double digit dog, you would have 324 00:13:24.840 --> 00:13:27.360 thought I was crazy, But that's where we're at. 325 00:13:27.159 --> 00:13:28.840 You what do you think happens on Friday Night? 326 00:13:29.960 --> 00:13:32.399 Yeah? I think buy is gonna win that game. Honestly, 327 00:13:32.720 --> 00:13:34.879 you're right. Oklahoma State has been really disappointing this year. 328 00:13:34.960 --> 00:13:37.559 Ali Gordon in particular, has been really disappointing this year. 329 00:13:38.080 --> 00:13:40.120 They didn't have a good offensive line last year, but 330 00:13:40.120 --> 00:13:42.519 he still was really really good. They still don't have 331 00:13:42.519 --> 00:13:45.320 a good offensive line this year, and he's really struggled, honestly. 332 00:13:45.399 --> 00:13:47.000 He seems like he lost a step from what he 333 00:13:47.000 --> 00:13:49.120 had last year, which is a really sad thing to 334 00:13:49.159 --> 00:13:50.879 see because he really wasn'tna be the guy who's gonna 335 00:13:50.919 --> 00:13:52.720 drive them to Victor. Why he's like he did last year, 336 00:13:52.960 --> 00:13:55.000 he just can't do that this year. So now you're 337 00:13:55.000 --> 00:13:57.440 talking tout Oklahoma State team, and I think it's like 338 00:13:57.519 --> 00:13:59.159 fifty to fifty whether or not to make a bowl 339 00:13:59.159 --> 00:14:01.639 game this year, honestly, which is kind of surprising based 340 00:14:01.639 --> 00:14:03.200 on a team that made it all the way to 341 00:14:03.200 --> 00:14:05.159 the Big Twelve title game last year. Brought back a 342 00:14:05.200 --> 00:14:08.519 lot of key players like Oli Gordon, like Alan Bowman, 343 00:14:08.600 --> 00:14:10.480 like all five starters in the offensive line. Even though 344 00:14:10.480 --> 00:14:12.240 I said it wasn't really that good, he still brought 345 00:14:12.279 --> 00:14:15.000 back all five starters. Some key defensive players as well 346 00:14:15.039 --> 00:14:18.279 came back and they're still struggling out there, honestly. So yeah, 347 00:14:18.320 --> 00:14:20.600 I just Oklahoma State has not been great. And I 348 00:14:20.600 --> 00:14:22.360 think you're talking about more like a five and seven, 349 00:14:22.440 --> 00:14:24.799 six and six team than like a ten and two team, 350 00:14:24.840 --> 00:14:26.159 like a lot of people thought they were going into 351 00:14:26.120 --> 00:14:26.440 the year. 352 00:14:27.200 --> 00:14:30.960 The following day, Utah welcomes in TCU, former Mount West 353 00:14:30.960 --> 00:14:33.799 Conference rival. These two teams are familiar with each other 354 00:14:33.840 --> 00:14:36.840 from way back in the day. The line opens favoring 355 00:14:36.879 --> 00:14:38.759 the Utes by a touchdown. It's moved to four and 356 00:14:38.799 --> 00:14:42.360 a half after the Cameron Rising news and TCU I 357 00:14:42.360 --> 00:14:44.080 think a lot of people picked them as a team 358 00:14:44.320 --> 00:14:47.279 maybe on the outside looking in. That could have shocked 359 00:14:47.279 --> 00:14:49.159 a few people, but it hasn't worked out that way. 360 00:14:49.200 --> 00:14:51.320 They've lost three of their last four, including a home 361 00:14:51.360 --> 00:14:54.399 loss to Houston. Do the Utes get it done Saturday night? 362 00:14:54.399 --> 00:14:57.080 With Isaac Wilson under center? Can they get a little 363 00:14:57.120 --> 00:14:59.159 bit of a get right game on Saturday Night? 364 00:14:59.240 --> 00:15:01.080 Max? They could? 365 00:15:01.159 --> 00:15:03.919 Yeah. I think with Isaac Wilson it's gonna make it 366 00:15:03.960 --> 00:15:07.000 a really interesting because I think with Isaac Wilson, they're 367 00:15:07.080 --> 00:15:10.960 kind of near what TCU probably is right now. But yeah, 368 00:15:10.960 --> 00:15:12.600 I think I think it would be a really fun 369 00:15:12.639 --> 00:15:14.600 game on Saturday Night. But I'll give you Ta the 370 00:15:14.639 --> 00:15:16.559 Splight edge because they are home and that home environment 371 00:15:16.600 --> 00:15:18.320 is one of the best in college football. So I'll 372 00:15:18.320 --> 00:15:19.879 give you to the Splight edge. But it would not 373 00:15:19.919 --> 00:15:21.919 be surprising to me if if TCU goes in there 374 00:15:21.960 --> 00:15:22.559 win that game. 375 00:15:23.039 --> 00:15:26.960 B YU, Iowa State, Texas Tech all clean atop the rankings, 376 00:15:27.080 --> 00:15:30.279 k State, Arizona State, who was picked to finish last, 377 00:15:30.320 --> 00:15:33.080 deserves some flowers here. Kenny Dillingham five and one, two 378 00:15:33.120 --> 00:15:36.039 and one in conference, Cincinnati, Colorado, West Virginia all with 379 00:15:36.039 --> 00:15:39.279 one loss as well, So several teams still alive to 380 00:15:39.320 --> 00:15:40.039 win the Big twelve. 381 00:15:40.120 --> 00:15:41.279 Max. Who do you think at the end of the 382 00:15:41.360 --> 00:15:42.480 day is going to be left stand? 383 00:15:43.639 --> 00:15:49.360 Oh? Good question, man. I just see what would be 384 00:15:49.440 --> 00:15:51.000 what you's doing this year, and it's hard to like 385 00:15:51.039 --> 00:15:53.360 really pick against them. I don't know if they really 386 00:15:53.399 --> 00:15:55.360 are the best team in the conference. I know I 387 00:15:55.360 --> 00:15:57.120 want to go with Kansas State. I think Kansas State 388 00:15:57.200 --> 00:15:59.399 is probably the school that I would go with. I 389 00:15:59.440 --> 00:16:02.039 really think it's wide open conference in America right now, 390 00:16:02.360 --> 00:16:05.440 But I think Kiss States has a really they know 391 00:16:05.720 --> 00:16:08.559 who they are, honestly. Their identity is more solid than 392 00:16:08.559 --> 00:16:10.679 pretty much any other identity in the country. They know 393 00:16:10.720 --> 00:16:13.799 exactly who they are good and bad honestly, So I 394 00:16:13.840 --> 00:16:17.240 feel most solid in them and what to expect from 395 00:16:17.240 --> 00:16:19.519 them every week. I don't feel good about taking them 396 00:16:19.559 --> 00:16:21.919 to win the entire conference, right now, But yeah, I 397 00:16:21.919 --> 00:16:24.399 think they definitely have a pretty solid shot of winning it. 398 00:16:24.399 --> 00:16:26.200 But I think Iowa State's right there. Are think BUI 399 00:16:26.279 --> 00:16:28.879 use up there as well. It's the most wide open 400 00:16:28.919 --> 00:16:30.480 conference Bryde and college ball right now. 401 00:16:30.919 --> 00:16:33.919