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<v Speaker 1>The countdown is on to fight time. This is Big

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<v Speaker 1>Fight Weekend.

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<v Speaker 2>Now here is your host, DJ Leaves. All right, we

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<v Speaker 2>have reached the weekend. We're gonna flip the calendar to

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<v Speaker 2>February and we've got a light heavyweight showdown, very very

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<v Speaker 2>interesting in the BBC on Fine main event. David Benavita's

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<v Speaker 2>David Morrell, the Benavitas Interim WBC title, Morell's WBA regular

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<v Speaker 2>title on the line. Big stakes for the winner to

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<v Speaker 2>maybe get a world title shot with either better BV

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<v Speaker 2>or b BOL. We're ready to talk about all of that.

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<v Speaker 2>The fight card. We got fights there, we got fights

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<v Speaker 2>in England, we got Coloressa shields back, we got news,

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<v Speaker 2>we got nostalgia. You are part of the Big Fight

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<v Speaker 2>Weekend preview. I am the somewhat competent host, TJ. Reeves.

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<v Speaker 2>He is my colleague, our insider Dan Rayfield, all the

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<v Speaker 2>way out ol on location in Vegas. Good to be

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<v Speaker 2>with you here in the preview mode as you have

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<v Speaker 2>settled in for this weekend. We got a lot to

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<v Speaker 2>go over at the time that we are doing this.

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<v Speaker 2>You have been part of the press conference ramping up

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<v Speaker 2>on Thursday, headed to Friday for everything, How are things?

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<v Speaker 2>How are things in the desert? And we're getting ready

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<v Speaker 2>for this light heavyweight showdown Dan.

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<v Speaker 1>I think the press conference became unhinged and a lot

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<v Speaker 1>of people have got excited because those guys want to

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<v Speaker 1>throw at each other right away. They haven't liked each

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<v Speaker 1>other throughout the promotion. I think we talked about it back,

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<v Speaker 1>you know, a month or so ago, and they had

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<v Speaker 1>the Miami event and David Merrell threw the belt at

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<v Speaker 1>David Benavide's and I made the point that I've been

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<v Speaker 1>to and seen many, many countless press conferences and seen

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<v Speaker 1>pretty much everything thrown, water bottles, other people, chairs, tables,

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<v Speaker 1>you know, you name it. Never had saw a belt

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<v Speaker 1>throw thrown at somebody else, which actually is kind of

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<v Speaker 1>surprising given that the belts are always in proximity. But

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<v Speaker 1>the point I'm making here is that these guys don't

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<v Speaker 1>like each other. It was on display at the press conference.

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<v Speaker 1>It's a fifty to fifty kind of matchup. I think

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<v Speaker 1>too many people, even if I think maybe those who

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<v Speaker 1>feel like there's a straw winner outcome will be maybe

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<v Speaker 1>leaning towards more towards Benavide's. Although I will say this though,

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<v Speaker 1>TJ in the in the predictions that the that the

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<v Speaker 1>find folks from the PR team gathered from media members, fighters, trainers,

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<v Speaker 1>there was quite a few people that were you know,

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<v Speaker 1>you know, some picking burrel somethick and then this is

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<v Speaker 1>what you want to see. So uh, I'm excited to

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<v Speaker 1>be out here for what I think is going to

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<v Speaker 1>be a really good, interesting, exciting fight and then being honest,

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<v Speaker 1>you know, an excellent undercard.

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<v Speaker 2>And we'll get into the undercard in a couple of moments.

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<v Speaker 2>But I always ask you on these things. You've done

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<v Speaker 2>it long enough where you can kind of see through

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<v Speaker 2>and be a smell test detector. Do you think this

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<v Speaker 2>is genuine on the dislike or is some of it hype?

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<v Speaker 2>Is most of it hype? What do you read having

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<v Speaker 2>been at that press conference.

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<v Speaker 1>To me, there's no doubt that it's both there. They

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<v Speaker 1>don't like each other, that's clear. But I also know

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<v Speaker 1>and David Benavidia said as much in the interview that

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<v Speaker 1>I had with it that's on the previous episode that

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<v Speaker 1>is also by the way, on it's a standalone where

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<v Speaker 1>you can just listen to that particular interview on the

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<v Speaker 1>most recent one on prior to them. Anyway, he said

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<v Speaker 1>that he understands, uh that that this is what people

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<v Speaker 1>want to see, animosity, you know, a little smack talk.

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<v Speaker 1>So they were cursing each other out a little Spanish,

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<v Speaker 1>little English at the press conference today. Uh, you know,

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<v Speaker 1>which was on Sesday, Thursday, Thursday afternoon in Vegas. I

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<v Speaker 1>lost track of time.

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<v Speaker 3>Uh.

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<v Speaker 1>They did the Undercar press conference first, and then they

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<v Speaker 1>took care of those guys, and then they brought in

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<v Speaker 1>David and David to do the main event. And uh, yeah,

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<v Speaker 1>I mean, I think they're both trying to fight, but

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<v Speaker 1>I also don't think there's any love lost. That said,

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<v Speaker 1>I'm very convinced that when it's over with they'll be sportsman. Know,

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<v Speaker 1>they'll they'll be good sports better. Whoever wins, they'll shake

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<v Speaker 1>hands and and move on. But a really good fight,

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<v Speaker 1>and you know, on paper anyway.

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<v Speaker 2>I should make mention too, while we rock along here

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<v Speaker 2>on the on the preview pod, that our friends at

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<v Speaker 2>PPV dot com are sponsoring us. Uh. We we love

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<v Speaker 2>their involvement with us. We'll hear from Mark Boucardi, who

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<v Speaker 2>runs PPV dot com in a little bit about this fight.

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<v Speaker 2>But one of the things I will just say to

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<v Speaker 2>the audience. One of the things that appeals here, and

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<v Speaker 2>Mark's going to talk about this is the fact that

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<v Speaker 2>the winner of this fight is definite, as I said,

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<v Speaker 2>in position to get a much bigger showdown. These are

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<v Speaker 2>this is high stakes here for this just elaborate on

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<v Speaker 2>that part from your point of view. Here, it's a

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<v Speaker 2>large step at light heavyweight for whoever wins.

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<v Speaker 1>Sorry Night, absolutely listen. Both of these guys have had

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<v Speaker 1>just one light heavyweight fight before, we've seen them in

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<v Speaker 1>action what they can do at super midaweight. Benavidez is

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<v Speaker 1>a much more established guy. He was a two time

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<v Speaker 1>WBC title holder, and he has beaten fighters like Caleb Plant,

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<v Speaker 1>Demitris Andre Back a little bit before that, Anthony Durrell.

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<v Speaker 1>You know, he's got, you know, a good track record

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<v Speaker 1>in the weight class. David Morrell as a as a

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<v Speaker 1>super midiweight, very big talent, obviously undefeated and a top

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<v Speaker 1>amateur and all the things that you want to see

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<v Speaker 1>in an up and coming fighter in the pros. But

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<v Speaker 1>he just doesn't have the level of the level of

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<v Speaker 1>opponent that David Benavidez has, hass So they both moved

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<v Speaker 1>up because Canelo wouldn't fight either one of them. More so,

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<v Speaker 1>Benavidez Morell was the mandatory in the WBA, but it

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<v Speaker 1>was never ordered and there was no movement there because

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<v Speaker 1>he just didn't have the experience that people thought were

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<v Speaker 1>the name recognition. But they both went to light heavyweight,

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<v Speaker 1>and in he saw David Benavidie's have a fight with

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<v Speaker 1>Alexander Vojakuza, former Lenny, former you know, legit champion in

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<v Speaker 1>the weight division. He had lost. The one loss he

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<v Speaker 1>suffered was to better be of any unification fight. And uh,

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<v Speaker 1>you know, he looked okay in that fight. He won,

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<v Speaker 1>you know, going away on the scorecards. Benavide's had some

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<v Speaker 1>struggles hardly because he had an injury going into the fight,

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<v Speaker 1>an injury in the fight. Not to make excuses, but

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<v Speaker 1>that simply the reality. And then you then you fast

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<v Speaker 1>forward to August and you saw David Morrell. He moved

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<v Speaker 1>up to light heavyweight. He fought hot Rod College Chick

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<v Speaker 1>on the Crawford Madromov card in Los Angeles, and also,

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<v Speaker 1>you know, he won going away, there was no real

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<v Speaker 1>question there. But also look, you know, kind of pedestrian

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<v Speaker 1>was talking to his trainer, Ronnie Shields. Earlier in the

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<v Speaker 1>media center, and I've I've been friendly with Ronnie for

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<v Speaker 1>my entire career. U a great trainer, hall of famer someday,

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<v Speaker 1>I believe, and you know, he has the same opinion

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<v Speaker 1>that I do of one of the reasons why Morell

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<v Speaker 1>look real pedestrian that fight was they were in the sunfield,

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<v Speaker 1>so to speak. That was outdoors in la It was

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<v Speaker 1>the sun right in their eyes, and it just put

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<v Speaker 1>them off. I mean, I'm convinced that was unsettling to him,

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<v Speaker 1>whereas hot Rod was in the shade corner and it

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<v Speaker 1>still won handling, but they were very difficult circumstances for

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<v Speaker 1>him to deal with that. So now, as Benavda said

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<v Speaker 1>an interview, he feels like this is a fight where

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<v Speaker 1>they can have the opportunity to really show what they're

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<v Speaker 1>all about in the way class top notch opponent, no excuses.

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<v Speaker 1>He says, this health is no problem in terms of morale.

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<v Speaker 1>There ain't gonna be a sunfield. It's indoors at the

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<v Speaker 1>Team Obil arena. He's fought there before. They've both fought

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<v Speaker 1>there before, so had all the makings for a very

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<v Speaker 1>exciting fan friendly fight. I mean, listen, DJ, I think

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<v Speaker 1>there's a lot of ways this can go. I mean,

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<v Speaker 1>we'll get into more specifics when we do our US

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<v Speaker 1>betting show one o'clock Eastern time on Friday. But that's

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<v Speaker 1>that for a pluck on their YouTube and other projects.

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<v Speaker 2>You are so trained in doing that now you hit

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<v Speaker 2>it before I could hit it. But there are intriguing

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<v Speaker 2>elements to this. That's all handicap, right.

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<v Speaker 1>So the thing I was gonna say to about the

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<v Speaker 1>fight itself is, and I've been talking to if people

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<v Speaker 1>in the media center, like other boxing folks, other writers,

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<v Speaker 1>you know, people that are trainers who aren't necessarily involved

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<v Speaker 1>with the main event. A lot of people can see

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<v Speaker 1>the fight going any which way. The one thing that

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<v Speaker 1>most people don't really see as a like a real

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<v Speaker 1>I mean a lesser it's still a possibility, but maybe

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<v Speaker 1>a lesser possibility is morale by a knockout. But I

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<v Speaker 1>can see it going any which way. But I've talked

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<v Speaker 1>to a lot of people and I'm starting to sort

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<v Speaker 1>of feel it based on the animosity that there's sort

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<v Speaker 1>of like this rippling like feeling among people. Maybe it's hope,

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<v Speaker 1>maybe it's real. I don't know, but that they're going

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<v Speaker 1>to just come out and say fuck it and go

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<v Speaker 1>for it like Hacklers and just bombs away and whoever

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<v Speaker 1>stand and wins the fight, and it's like a three,

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<v Speaker 1>four or five round type of shootout fight.

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<v Speaker 2>Can I tell you amazing? We would want that? Can

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<v Speaker 2>I tell you? I kind of believe the same thing.

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<v Speaker 2>We may see it early, I don't know, in the

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<v Speaker 2>first minute. Certainly the Haggler Herne standard is the is

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<v Speaker 2>the stratosphere. But we may see fireworks and bombs in

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<v Speaker 2>the first round. Yeah for this, So I'm.

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<v Speaker 1>Very well just the first few rounds.

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<v Speaker 2>How first couple of rounds? Uh right, So I'm very

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<v Speaker 2>interested when we do that bet us show coming up

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<v Speaker 2>ten Pacific by the way, one a one pm Eastern

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<v Speaker 2>ten am Pacific on Friday. Which way you're gonna go?

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<v Speaker 2>And I don't I know that this is just your

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<v Speaker 2>you're contemplating what to do.

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<v Speaker 1>With you You asked me about what about other big opportunities,

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<v Speaker 1>you know? With with the winner of the rematch between

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<v Speaker 1>Arthur Better BVM Dmitri Bible, they fight the rematch for

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<v Speaker 1>the undisputed title that Better has for the undisputed title

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<v Speaker 1>uh in Saudi Arabia. Now, first I must say one thing.

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<v Speaker 1>I love the matchup between Dnavides and Morrell, but I

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<v Speaker 1>got to keep it real. I can't stand the fact

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<v Speaker 1>that this is for these two quasi bullshit belts. Okay,

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<v Speaker 1>it's a great matchup between undefeated, top fighters in the

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<v Speaker 1>Way class who have been exciting and been involved in

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<v Speaker 1>you know, higher profile kinds of fights. But the fact

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<v Speaker 1>that there's a boxing match it's going to take place,

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<v Speaker 1>and that David Benavidez is defending the WBC Intern title

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<v Speaker 1>and morell Isfen the w Regular title. So it's a

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<v Speaker 1>fun internal and regular unification, which is complete, utter fucking

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<v Speaker 1>nonsense because there's only one real champion in the Way class,

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<v Speaker 1>and even the fighters acknowledge that that Arthur Better is

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<v Speaker 1>the undisputed champion of the world. He has all four

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<v Speaker 1>reel belts, he's got ring belt, he's the lineal champion,

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<v Speaker 1>like there isn't any other way that you can not

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<v Speaker 1>view him as the actual champion and the light class.

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<v Speaker 1>He's coming off the win close fine against people who

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<v Speaker 1>was clearly the other best guy, undefeated had the other belt.

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<v Speaker 1>So this is in my mind, you know, it's yeah, okay,

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<v Speaker 1>they've got their belts, fine, But the reality in the

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<v Speaker 1>in essence the eliminator to determine the people's mandatory to

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<v Speaker 1>because whoever emerges from that fight against the winner in

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<v Speaker 1>this fight obviously is a huge deal. Now I can't

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<v Speaker 1>David dennevite Is, he is the winner. Turkey Alshik has

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<v Speaker 1>morel if he wins, maybe there'd be a rematch with

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<v Speaker 1>Benevidez if that happens. But the point is qumongous stakes

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<v Speaker 1>a whole lot more because the possibility that they'll get

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<v Speaker 1>I want to make the match. They've already been announced.

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<v Speaker 1>is a no. And there's not some other mega fight

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<v Speaker 1>in the light heavyweight to division they go that would

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<v Speaker 1>if they'll do it, but possibly, depending on what happens

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<v Speaker 1>February twenty second. If Bevill avenges the loss, now they're

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<v Speaker 1>one and one in a pair of good close fights,

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<v Speaker 1>fight between them. I can't, you know, say for sure.

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<v Speaker 1>I actually hope there wouldn't be a third fight immediately.

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<v Speaker 1>I'd like to see. I'm all for a trilogy, fine

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<v Speaker 1>if that's what un folds, but let them go their

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<v Speaker 1>separate way for one fight, two fights, whatever, and then reconvene.

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<v Speaker 1>But the point is humongous steaks, great match up on paper,

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<v Speaker 1>lots of steak, lots of steak, you know, in the

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<v Speaker 1>future for the winner for a big fight that's sent

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<v Speaker 2>All right, And there's also an intriguing co feature fight.

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<v Speaker 2>Let's get into that right now here on the preview,

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<v Speaker 2>and that is Brandon Figueroa and Steven Fulton. And you

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<v Speaker 2>talk about not an immediate rematch. We've had to wait

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<v Speaker 2>basically three years two or halfish, yeah, more than three

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<v Speaker 2>years now at this point for this thing to get

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<v Speaker 2>scheduled and to happen. They fought a tremendous fight what

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<v Speaker 2>November of twenty twenty one. Now they're back in front

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<v Speaker 2>of each other at featherweight here for the WBC featherweight

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<v Speaker 2>title that Figaroa owns. You love this line. There's not

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<v Speaker 2>a lot of mystery here. You could do this in

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<v Speaker 2>a bathtub. You could do this in my kitchen, which

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<v Speaker 2>ain't that big. I mean there's I mean, Figaroa really

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<v Speaker 2>fights one way, Get up in the kitchen, get on you,

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<v Speaker 2>and let's see what you have. And Fulton edged him

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<v Speaker 2>out the last time. I'm I'm as intrigued by the

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<v Speaker 2>co feature, Dan, what are your thoughts you we're around

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<v Speaker 2>the fighters Thursday.

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<v Speaker 1>They couldn't fight in my kitchen because we have a

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<v Speaker 1>pretty big kitchen in our house.

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<v Speaker 2>But anyway, I notice I've never been invited for a meal,

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<v Speaker 2>so I can't testify. I'll take your word for it.

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<v Speaker 1>Go oh, you've never been in the Northern Virginia area.

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<v Speaker 1>If you're up here, you can You're certainly come in.

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<v Speaker 2>All right, you'll come into the kitchen. I'll come into

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<v Speaker 2>your kitchen.

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<v Speaker 1>Go ahead. So yeah, that first fight, that was back

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<v Speaker 1>when they were one hundred and twenty two pound fighters,

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<v Speaker 1>and they both had belts and they fought up back

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<v Speaker 1>in the day on showtime. This is like you said,

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<v Speaker 1>about three and a half years ago, and it was

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<v Speaker 1>a super close fight. It was an outstanding fight. A

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<v Speaker 1>lot of people had it in their top few considerations

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<v Speaker 1>for fight of the Year of twenty twenty one. And

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<v Speaker 1>in the end it was Stephen Fulton who won a

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<v Speaker 1>majority decision and unified the two belts, the WBC and

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<v Speaker 1>the WBO at one twenty two. And you know that

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<v Speaker 1>though their careers have kind of been on a little

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<v Speaker 1>bit of a different track. Let's say they've first of all,

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<v Speaker 1>they've both been ridiculously inactive they've only had three fights

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<v Speaker 1>a piece since twenty twenty one, and that doesn't cut

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<v Speaker 1>it at as a top fighter unfortunately. So Fulton went on.

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<v Speaker 1>He defended the title against Danny Roman, who was obviously

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<v Speaker 1>a unified champion at one point in one of the

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<v Speaker 1>top guys in the division, and he won going away

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<v Speaker 1>a shutout. That was in June of twenty twenty two.

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<v Speaker 1>Now he's off for thirteen months and he takes the

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<v Speaker 1>belts and he goes to Japan to defend against the

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<v Speaker 1>monster Noill in a way, and he gets absolutely pummeled.

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<v Speaker 1>They knocked out in the eight round, loses the titles

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<v Speaker 1>and you know, didn't even compete. And that was, frankly

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<v Speaker 1>a fight where even though in a way was the favorite,

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<v Speaker 1>there was a lot of people that were like, you know,

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<v Speaker 1>Fulton's gonna give him in trouble. He's a alwa He's

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<v Speaker 1>never seen a good boxer and a guy with that

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<v Speaker 1>kind of IQ and that kind of you know, all

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<v Speaker 1>around game that the Fulton had displayed and in a

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<v Speaker 1>way absolutely ruined him, just destroyed him and pummeled him.

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<v Speaker 1>He took a long time off. He came back fourteen

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<v Speaker 1>months later and he fought and moved up the featherweight

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<v Speaker 1>and he fought a carl Castro, and he looked bad

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<v Speaker 1>in that fight, and he I think he'll admit that

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<v Speaker 1>he won barely, barely barely first of all, got knocked

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<v Speaker 1>down in the fifth round, barely won a split decision,

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<v Speaker 1>and off that fight in June, rather in September of

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<v Speaker 1>last year. He goes in this fight against Figueroa. Now,

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<v Speaker 1>if you take a look what Fiot has done, he

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<v Speaker 1>lost the majority decision to Fulton the first time round

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<v Speaker 1>super close, though could definitely argue he won in his

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<v Speaker 1>next fight. He came back in July of twenty two

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<v Speaker 1>and what would he do TJ He knocked out Carlos

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<v Speaker 1>Castro's common opponent in round number six, and then he

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<v Speaker 1>scored two pretty solid victories. He beat Mark Magsaia, who

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<v Speaker 1>had a period for a brief period was the WBC's

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<v Speaker 1>featherweight champion. That was their fight for the interim title,

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<v Speaker 1>and then he knocked out Jesse Magdaleno, also a former

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<v Speaker 1>title er, in one hundred I believe twenty two pound

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<v Speaker 1>way class and those are solid victories for him. Ray

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<v Speaker 1>Vargas had been the champion, but he ended up as

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<v Speaker 1>an in recess. He had injuries and this and that,

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<v Speaker 1>and he became the full title. So now he's the

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<v Speaker 1>champion going into the fight, but he's also the guy

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<v Speaker 1>looking for the revenge. They've been talking to good game,

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<v Speaker 1>they've been promising in the press conference. They're much more

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<v Speaker 1>good nature with each other than Benavide's and Mell, who

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<v Speaker 1>obviously don't care for one another. I think these guys

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<v Speaker 1>have a lot of respect for each other, even though

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<v Speaker 1>they're both very amped up to win the fight, and

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<v Speaker 1>both of them are confident, you know. I think this

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<v Speaker 1>is one of the better co features on these PBC

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<v Speaker 1>pay per views we've seen. I think they've done a

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<v Speaker 1>good job with their pay per views, but for co

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<v Speaker 1>feature perspective, while a lot of the fights have been excellent,

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<v Speaker 1>this is I think this is even better. In my mind,

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<v Speaker 1>this is about as good as you can ask for

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<v Speaker 1>from PBC in terms of a co feature. A lot

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<v Speaker 1>of stakes, good backstory, two excellent fighters too, kind of

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<v Speaker 1>different style fighters. Again, I think it's going to be

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<v Speaker 1>a really good fight.

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<v Speaker 2>And in Figueroa's case, he's been chasing this literally three

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<v Speaker 2>years now. He wants that revenge. He believes he was

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<v Speaker 2>robbed of that decision, that majority decision loss back in

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<v Speaker 2>November of twenty twenty one. Let's see if he can

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<v Speaker 2>get that revenge come a Saturday night in a game.

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<v Speaker 2>We'll handicap this further on the at US show. This fight,

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<v Speaker 2>which is basically a fifty to fifty fight. Here, we

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<v Speaker 2>got Fulton out of Philadelphia and he still got something

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<v Speaker 2>to prove as well. I'm just saying this because the

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<v Speaker 2>Monster blasted him out in two fights ago, as you

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<v Speaker 2>made mention of, Figarola hasn't had a loss like that

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<v Speaker 2>since they last fought. So now let's see.

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<v Speaker 1>I think Fulton's been talking a little bit about and

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<v Speaker 1>I don't know how much it will actually play into

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<v Speaker 1>the actual fight, but maybe for his own mentalities own

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<v Speaker 1>confidence is he now has among his normal training team

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<v Speaker 1>they brought in to help him out Bozannis, who was

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<v Speaker 1>the trainer for Jeron Enna. So he was talking quite

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<v Speaker 1>a bit about that and what he's meant to their

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<v Speaker 1>camp and how good it's been to have him along

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<v Speaker 1>with his other guys than game. So he feels good

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<v Speaker 1>about that. And look, you got these are two of

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<v Speaker 1>the better fighters you know around in the division. Whenever

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<v Speaker 1>you think about the last performance from Fulton, really good fight,

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<v Speaker 1>really good fight.

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<v Speaker 2>Look forward to that all right, real quick. Two other

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<v Speaker 2>fights that are on the PBC on Prime pay per

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<v Speaker 2>view again, our friends at PPV dot com are offering

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<v Speaker 2>it up. We suggest you use them. Give me the

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<v Speaker 2>latest you were round but the undercard press conference. Give

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<v Speaker 2>me the latest on Isaac Pittbull Cruise is back as

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<v Speaker 2>well as Jesus Ramos is back as well. Tell me

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<v Speaker 2>more about those fights on the under card real quick.

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<v Speaker 1>So Pitbull Cruise, you know, as you know, in his

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<v Speaker 1>most recent fight on August third, that was the same

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<v Speaker 1>card where Morel had his like heavyweight debut against Harod

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<v Speaker 1>he lost his world title at one hundred and forty

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<v Speaker 1>pounds by a split decision to Jose Vealezuela in a

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<v Speaker 1>big upset. You know, it was a close fight, but

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<v Speaker 1>you know he didn't get to win. And so this

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<v Speaker 1>is his return. Then he's fighting Angel Fierro, who may

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<v Speaker 1>not be at the level where you know hi from

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<v Speaker 1>world championship fights and that sort of thing, but he's

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<v Speaker 1>been on a number of TV fights, got a good record.

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<v Speaker 1>He's twenty three and two with two draws. Mostly by

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<v Speaker 1>knockout and he makes fun fights and so this is

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<v Speaker 1>like the all Mexican kind of clash. And while of

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<v Speaker 1>course Pitbull will be the favorite, I wouldn't be surprised

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<v Speaker 1>if Fierra wins. He's a solid quality guy and in

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<v Speaker 1>the ring with some good opponents. You know, he's won

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<v Speaker 1>a few. Like I said, he's low lost, you know,

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<v Speaker 1>to the two fights never been stopped before. And I'm

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<v Speaker 1>gonna tell you when they did the stand when they

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<v Speaker 1>did the face off after the New conference, uh, and

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<v Speaker 1>they got there, you know, back in front of each other.

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<v Speaker 1>It was one of the longer staredowns. Like Tom Brown,

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<v Speaker 1>who was the TGB Promotions promoter, was trying to like, okay, guys,

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<v Speaker 1>we're good and Pitbull and then and then one of

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<v Speaker 1>the pr folks asking them to turn and face the

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<v Speaker 1>you know, they were facing each other, asking the turn

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<v Speaker 1>to face the audience so the photographers could get a

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<v Speaker 1>picture of them facing against you know, towards the photo

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<v Speaker 1>photo guys and Pipple wouldn't break the stair either. With Farra,

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<v Speaker 1>pit Bull was looking right at him and it was

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<v Speaker 1>a long, long, long, long, long.

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<v Speaker 2>Kind of like when Ray was at the front desk

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<v Speaker 2>at the hotel in Vegas, and they were trying to

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<v Speaker 2>tell you your room wasn't ready yet, and you just

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<v Speaker 2>keep standing and staring and giving that glare that I

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<v Speaker 2>get from time. I understand.

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<v Speaker 1>Yeah, I'm not like that. I'm pretty cool.

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<v Speaker 2>We're having fun with you. I'm having fun.

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<v Speaker 1>People to think I'm a dick when I travel on

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<v Speaker 1>my crops to my friends at the MGM, because Rifuel

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<v Speaker 1>rolled in the town, went right to the Gold Lounge

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<v Speaker 1>and got my room at likes. I know people you know,

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<v Speaker 1>but I know you know people.

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<v Speaker 2>I so pitt Bull and Fierro and also Hazes good

427
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<v Speaker 2>fight Ramos as well in the middleweight division is on

428
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<v Speaker 2>this undercard a little more.

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<v Speaker 1>Real quick So Ramos against Ramos against against Rosario is

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<v Speaker 1>like I think Fierro and Cruz has a chance to

431
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<v Speaker 1>be a really good, fun, exciting fight. Two Mexican guys

432
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<v Speaker 1>are going to bang it out. We already talked about

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<v Speaker 1>what we think about the uh the the two main

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<v Speaker 1>title bouts. You know, in the top two fights of

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<v Speaker 1>the car Ramos against Rosario, I feel like is a

436
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<v Speaker 1>little more of mismatching. And I say that, Okay, Look

437
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<v Speaker 1>when when Ramos lost. It was a very close fight

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<v Speaker 1>against Ericson Lubin. This was back in September of twenty

439
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<v Speaker 1>twenty three. I thought he got ripped off of that fight.

440
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<v Speaker 2>I think most people did the boot I thought. I

441
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<v Speaker 2>still remember the booing in the arena when that decision

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<v Speaker 2>was announced.

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<v Speaker 1>That was just not a good decision my opinion. Nothing

444
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<v Speaker 1>against Lubin. He's a good fighter also, but I just

445
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<v Speaker 1>felt like, you know, he got beat that night. Okay,

446
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<v Speaker 1>So he came back. He fought in May, he got

447
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<v Speaker 1>a ninth front knock against a very experienced fighter in

448
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<v Speaker 1>Johan Gonzalaz, and now he's coming back against Rozaria. He's

449
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<v Speaker 1>trying to rebuild himself a little bit. This is now

450
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<v Speaker 1>going to be a fight at middleweight, not at junior

451
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<v Speaker 1>middle where he has been his whole career. So he's

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<v Speaker 1>taking on Rosario now. Rosario is a guy who's got

453
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<v Speaker 1>excellent punching power and who's fought a lot of top guys,

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<v Speaker 1>and he's been a unified champion at one hundred and

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<v Speaker 1>fifty four and was retired for a bit for a

456
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<v Speaker 1>brief period of time, coming off actually a split decision

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<v Speaker 1>draw against Jared Hurd, who was a former champion at

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<v Speaker 1>junior Middlewaight also at a long time PC fighter. They

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<v Speaker 1>actually had that fight on a probox card. Anyway, Rosario

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<v Speaker 1>does not have a good chin, flat out, He's been

461
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<v Speaker 1>stopped all four of his losses. He just cannot take

462
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<v Speaker 1>the heat. So and he's also a bit older now.

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<v Speaker 1>He seems like he's renewed. He spoke well, he seemed enthusiastic.

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<v Speaker 1>You know, no bad body language that I could since.

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<v Speaker 1>But I just feel like a guy like that that's

466
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<v Speaker 1>already been in retirement, that's Scott, those types of losses,

467
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<v Speaker 1>that has never been able to take a shot against

468
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<v Speaker 1>a guy like Romos, who's quite a bit younger. You

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<v Speaker 1>know Rosaria enough that he's an old man, but he's

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<v Speaker 1>twenty nine, and you know, Ramos is still in his

471
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<v Speaker 1>early twenties to my recollection, and I just feel like

472
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<v Speaker 1>this fight is made to order for Ramos. You know what, Zero,

473
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<v Speaker 1>maybe we'll hang in, but in the end, I think Ramos,

474
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<v Speaker 1>you know you're going to see him show why now

475
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<v Speaker 1>he's a new guy to pay attention to at middleweight

476
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<v Speaker 1>that he's moving off because you know, by the opinion

477
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<v Speaker 1>of most people, they deserve the loss of germanillweight against limit.

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<v Speaker 1>So you know it'll maybe be fireworks, but I think

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<v Speaker 1>in the end it's very clear who's winning the fight,

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<v Speaker 1>you know on pap anyway, love.

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<v Speaker 2>That and again that's coming in the PBC Prime PBC

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<v Speaker 2>PPV dot Com. Good to have you back here on

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<v Speaker 2>the Big Fight weekend preview as okay, let's get it

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<v Speaker 2>rolling here with PBC on Prime in this pay per view.

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<v Speaker 2>Good to have you back.

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<v Speaker 3>Yeah, thank you. It feels like it's been a while.

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<v Speaker 3>It's been too long. Regardless of how long it's been,

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<v Speaker 3>so good to be with you and yeah, this is

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<v Speaker 3>this is a great fight, right, and you know, I'll

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<v Speaker 3>start with this quick anecdote. We had a promoter come

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<v Speaker 3>into our offices a long time ago, but I think

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<v Speaker 3>this still carries through.

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<v Speaker 1>It's about ten years ago.

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<v Speaker 3>They did a big focus group research study of what

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<v Speaker 3>makes for the best pay per view events, best main

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<v Speaker 3>events in a big pay per view event, and the

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<v Speaker 3>number one reason that fans responded to them about why

508
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<v Speaker 3>they buy a pay per view event is grudge match.

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<v Speaker 3>And find me a fight recently that has had as

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<v Speaker 3>much of a grudge match as this one, so we

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<v Speaker 3>expect some fireworks.

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah, these two genuine I think, don't like each other.

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<v Speaker 2>They're both undefeated, they're both hungry. Neither one of them,

514
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<v Speaker 2>Mark Benavitas or Morell could get their hands on Canelo Alvarez,

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<v Speaker 2>so they move up to light heavyweight and decide to

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<v Speaker 2>get their hands on each other, and in particular, Bena

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<v Speaker 2>Vitez has already headlined a couple of times against Caleb Plant,

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<v Speaker 2>Demetrius Andrede on pay per view with with with big wins,

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<v Speaker 2>So this has been interesting as it has built up

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<v Speaker 2>this week now headed into this weekend between these two guys,

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<v Speaker 2>and I don't think it's an exaggeration that we may

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<v Speaker 2>see fireworks immediately in this thing. Do you agree with that?

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<v Speaker 1>Yeah?

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<v Speaker 3>No, I absolutely agree with it. And it's nice that

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<v Speaker 3>the unintended consequence of both of them not getting the

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<v Speaker 3>Canelo fight is they fight each other.

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah, that's correct, which is.

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<v Speaker 3>What we're gonna get. So so yeah, no, I agree.

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<v Speaker 3>I do expect fireworks right away. It's a fifty to

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<v Speaker 3>fifty fight, right and I'm trying to think back, you know,

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<v Speaker 3>when the last time we've had a real fifty to

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<v Speaker 3>fifty fight head.

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<v Speaker 1>Run of a interview.

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<v Speaker 3>So yeah, no, I agree, fireworks from the get go.

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<v Speaker 3>Let's get it on well.

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<v Speaker 2>And in the case of what a story Cuban born,

537
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<v Speaker 2>his adopted home is Minnesota. I've always said, if you're

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<v Speaker 2>going to relocate from the balmy weather of Cuba or Florida,

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<v Speaker 2>you might as well go to Minnesota in the Great

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<v Speaker 2>White North. So he's had some main event opportunities on

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<v Speaker 2>PBC shows in Minnesota. Obviously we know about him in

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<v Speaker 2>terms of the podcast audience here that's listening to us

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<v Speaker 2>or big time fight fans, but the casual sports fan

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<v Speaker 2>or the casual boxing fan. The big sports fan is

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<v Speaker 2>the casual box fan. They may not know a lot

546
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<v Speaker 2>about David Morell, but the guy could punch. He's got

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<v Speaker 2>a Cuban amateur background, and this is intriguing to see

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<v Speaker 2>what he can do on the biggest stage.

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<v Speaker 1>Morell.

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<v Speaker 3>Oh absolutely, and if you are a boxing fan, even

551
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<v Speaker 3>a casual boxing fan, this is a fight that you

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<v Speaker 3>want to see.

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<v Speaker 1>It really is.

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<v Speaker 3>I mean, like we said before, fifty to fifty stylistic matchup.

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<v Speaker 3>It's a great matchup.

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<v Speaker 1>Right.

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<v Speaker 3>You've got this, this straightforward puncher against a guy who's

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<v Speaker 3>a little more finesse, and you know, it checks. It

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<v Speaker 3>really does. Can go down the list of what makes

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<v Speaker 3>a great fight. This one checks every box. So I

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<v Speaker 3>agree that the stories behind these guys make this an

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<v Speaker 3>even more compelling reason to tune in.

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<v Speaker 2>And you've got two of the organizations at light heavyweight.

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<v Speaker 2>It's essentially the interim WBC title, and it is also

565
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<v Speaker 2>the regular WBA title, which means when the rematch happens

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<v Speaker 2>with the two Russians better BV and b Bowl, the

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<v Speaker 2>winner would look the way of the winner of this fight.

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<v Speaker 2>It kind of sets up in advance of those guys

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<v Speaker 2>rematching later on in this month, another added element here.

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<v Speaker 2>You got a big time, lucrative, worldwide interest showdown and

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<v Speaker 2>payday coming up. If you win, if you've been a

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<v Speaker 2>Vitasa morrel.

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<v Speaker 3>Yeah, you hit on that last checkbox. I was talking

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<v Speaker 3>about this fight hitting every one of those my little

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<v Speaker 3>list of notes that I have here, that's the last one.

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<v Speaker 3>It's what the winner of this gets. And you're guaranteed

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<v Speaker 3>to have a winner who's going to get a big

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<v Speaker 3>fight next, which you don't always get, but in this

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<v Speaker 3>case you do.

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<v Speaker 2>We like that and we love PPV dot Com Again

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<v Speaker 2>for the fans, they're going to get a great interactive experience.

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<v Speaker 2>I know the legendary Jim Lampley and Lance Pugmeyer are

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<v Speaker 2>there in Vegas as we speak, getting ready to be

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<v Speaker 2>part of this, and your guys Dankdobio and Chris Aljery

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<v Speaker 2>as part of Fight Weekend and the live pay per view,

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<v Speaker 1>Yeah.

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<v Speaker 3>Absolutely, we're going to have the full crew of guys

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<v Speaker 3>be ready to answer questions, give their commentary. Dan himself

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<v Speaker 3>is going to be hopping over to the main broadcast

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<v Speaker 3>where he's going to be doing a draft kings breakdown

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<v Speaker 3>going to pop back over to our chat, so he'll

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<v Speaker 3>be back and forth. So you know, we got guys

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<v Speaker 3>covering things from all different angles on the fight. So

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<v Speaker 3>if you are a boxing fan, you want to get this,

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<v Speaker 3>this is the place to buy it.

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<v Speaker 2>I can't tell you I've seen this at least two

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<v Speaker 2>the late twenty tens, where your fans are interacting, going,

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<v Speaker 2>this is really cool that I'm going back and forth

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<v Speaker 2>with Jim Lampley while the fight's going on. That's another

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<v Speaker 2>a long term subscription here. It is a one off

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<v Speaker 2>that with your service.

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<v Speaker 3>Yeah, it's not a long term subscription. In fact, it's

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<v Speaker 3>going to have a couple big events this year, so

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<v Speaker 3>you know, we're open for business for this weekend, come back,

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<v Speaker 3>you know in a few weeks for the next big

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<v Speaker 3>event a few weeks after that, and we got a

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<v Speaker 2>And that next event is the March first showdown with

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<v Speaker 2>for lightweight unification. That's at the Barclay Center. That's on

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<v Speaker 2>you're interested in both. You don't have to have both.

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<v Speaker 2>If you want the Tank and Roach fight again, we'd

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<v Speaker 2>love to have you buy both. Don't hear me say

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<v Speaker 2>what they want, including the upcoming Tank Davis fight in

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<v Speaker 3>That's right, we'd love to have you buy both. But

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<v Speaker 3>if you buy one, it doesn't mean you have to

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<v Speaker 2>As always love that And you got a big DC

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<v Speaker 2>Baltimore rivalry with Roach and Davis. More on that at

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<v Speaker 2>a later date. One more time it is Benavitas and

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<v Speaker 2>Morrell and by the way, an outstanding co feature with

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<v Speaker 2>Brandon Figueroa and Stephan full Do I get a pick

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<v Speaker 2>out of you on Figaroa Fulton. It was such a

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<v Speaker 2>close fight the first go around about two and a

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<v Speaker 2>half years ago, and I joke all the time they

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<v Speaker 2>could have fought the fight on a bathroom rug. They

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<v Speaker 2>literally used up about three square feet and stood toe

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<v Speaker 2>to toe and bomb each other for twelve rounds and

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<v Speaker 2>Fulton got the nuro decision. That's going to be a

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<v Speaker 2>very chaining co feature fight as part of this pay

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<v Speaker 3>Yeah, So what I think we expect on this one

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<v Speaker 3>is we're gonna have more people tuning in earlier just

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<v Speaker 3>for that fight for that reason. You know, the last

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<v Speaker 3>fight was so close, and you know, I've always been

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<v Speaker 3>a figure out kind of guy, so uh huh, I'm

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<v Speaker 3>gonna stick with him. But uh yeah, it's going to

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<v Speaker 3>be a great lead up. I think to this main

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<v Speaker 3>event no doubt.

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<v Speaker 2>And again it's figure rollas WBC Featherweight title that is

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<v Speaker 2>on the line World Championship co feature than David Benavitez,

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<v Speaker 2>Are you ready for the fights this weekend? Martin BOUCARDI

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<v Speaker 2>are we good? Are we ready to go?

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<v Speaker 3>Let's do it. I'm ready to go. I could watch

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<v Speaker 3>right now, so I can't wait till Saturday night.

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<v Speaker 2>We love it again, get with our friends at PPV

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<v Speaker 2>dot com. Thank you Mark, you Bet, thank you TJ.

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<v Speaker 1>So there you go.

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<v Speaker 2>We've given you obviously a bunch on the PBC on

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<v Speaker 2>Prime pay per view. But that is not all for

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<v Speaker 2>this weekend. Let's talk about Saturday afternoon in the US,

675
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<v Speaker 2>Saturday Night Primetime in the UK. The boxer card that

676
00:30:10.480 --> 00:30:12.960
<v Speaker 2>will be on Peacock in the United States, Sky Sports

677
00:30:13.799 --> 00:30:18.519
<v Speaker 2>over in England, adam Azeem junior welterweight contender and a

678
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<v Speaker 2>veteran name that we know in Sergei Lippinets, So a

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<v Speaker 2>little preview here of this because a Zeem obviously is

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<v Speaker 2>angling for a title shot. Lipinets has been in with

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<v Speaker 2>world champions before your thoughts, Dan.

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<v Speaker 1>I mean, Adam is Zeem is an excellent young fighter.

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<v Speaker 1>I don't think he's even close to ready yet for

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<v Speaker 1>a world title fight. He has been briefly the European champion.

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<v Speaker 1>He gave up that title. He's only twelve to zero.

686
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<v Speaker 1>He's got nine knockouts, He's only twenty two years old.

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<v Speaker 1>He's got plenty of still improving, not I mean, I

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<v Speaker 1>want to say improving, but honing his skills. He needs reps.

689
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<v Speaker 1>He's a baby in this game. He has had no

690
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<v Speaker 1>tough fights relatively speaking. He needs the more experience opponents. Lipinets,

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<v Speaker 1>it was like the kind of guy that might be

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<v Speaker 1>able to give him to a little bit. In his

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<v Speaker 1>last fight, he scored what I would say was that

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<v Speaker 1>question his biggest win. But do you consider O'Hara Davies

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<v Speaker 1>that big of a win after he'd been iced in

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<v Speaker 1>one round. So, you know, and they had work, they

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<v Speaker 1>had spart together, they know each other, they were friendly,

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<v Speaker 1>and he gave you know, O'Hara gave him like a

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<v Speaker 1>reasonable fight, but but Adam Asim he dominated. Now he's,

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<v Speaker 1>like I said, he's a younger fighter, he's developing a

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<v Speaker 1>fan base. He's got a little swagger to him. He's

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<v Speaker 1>a good punching power, and he did take O'Hara Davies

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<v Speaker 1>out in the eighth round. That was back in October.

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<v Speaker 1>So now he's back here in just a few months

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<v Speaker 1>later against Sergei Lipinez. Now Lipinets, you know, I think

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<v Speaker 1>most people, and they're one hundred and forty pounders, most

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<v Speaker 1>people would say Lilypinetzs has probably seen better days. You know,

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<v Speaker 1>he briefly held the IBF title. He's got the three losses,

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<v Speaker 1>the one stoppers loss that sort of like sticks out

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<v Speaker 1>like a sore thumb because he got pretty much annihilated

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<v Speaker 1>by Boots Ennis in the sixth round, but he was

712
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<v Speaker 1>dropped multiple times. That was back in twenty twenty one,

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<v Speaker 1>and since then he won to fight against Omar Figure,

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<v Speaker 1>he put into retirement. Basically, he then lost to Michelle Rivera,

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<v Speaker 1>you know, which is kind of a kind of an

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<v Speaker 1>unfortunate loss for him, because that is not a good loss,

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<v Speaker 1>if there's such a thing. He did come back and

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<v Speaker 1>then he had a fight in May of last year

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<v Speaker 1>where he defeated the British fighter Robie David Junior by

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<v Speaker 1>a decision, which is that's an okay win. It's nothing

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<v Speaker 1>to write home aback. But now now Lippinetz has taken

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<v Speaker 1>his show on the road. He's going to London, He's

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<v Speaker 1>gonna fight at ZEEM in his home area and it's

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<v Speaker 1>up to Adam ism to show that he not only

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<v Speaker 1>that he belongs in the conversation as a future star

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<v Speaker 1>and contender and potential champion, et cetera at one hundred

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<v Speaker 1>and forty pounds, but based on where Lippenitz is in

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<v Speaker 1>his career, it is my opinion that he needs to

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<v Speaker 1>do the job on him. As they say, you can't

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<v Speaker 1>let this be close. You can't let him hang around.

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<v Speaker 1>You can't or you know you can again, you can

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<v Speaker 1>go the distance, but you gotta be dominating, like if

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<v Speaker 1>he goes life and death or there's an issue, and

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<v Speaker 1>it's going to make people really question a ZEEM because

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<v Speaker 1>this is in terms of the name on a guy

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<v Speaker 1>that's known in the world boxing, not just British boxing,

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<v Speaker 1>who's been in the ring with quality fighters throughout his career,

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<v Speaker 1>even if he's lost some of them. And again the

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<v Speaker 1>names you know are familiar. And then chel Mar figure

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<v Speaker 1>out John Ennis. He also fought Lamon Peterson, he thought

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<v Speaker 1>Mikey Garcia that was his first loss in a decision.

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<v Speaker 1>That's back in twenty eighteen. So he's faced you know,

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<v Speaker 1>pretty good guys, even like you know, go back even

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<v Speaker 1>a few years before that Lenny Zappavingo, who was a

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<v Speaker 1>good contender at the time he beat him. So this

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<v Speaker 1>is the opportunity, in my opinion, that Adamazine can really

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<v Speaker 1>shine against a more recognizable opponent than the fighters he

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<v Speaker 1>has been facing. And so that's what the task is

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<v Speaker 1>twelve the No.

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<v Speaker 2>Twenty two year old and again that's a main event.

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<v Speaker 2>Excuse me, Peacock app will have that on Saturday afternoon

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<v Speaker 2>if you're in the United States, kind of as a

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<v Speaker 2>warm up to what's going to go on on Saturday

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<v Speaker 2>night with Adam Azine. Excuse me, in that main event.

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<v Speaker 2>All right. Interesting that Claressa Shields is also back. While

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<v Speaker 2>we're in the preview mode, Big Dan Claressa will defend

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<v Speaker 2>her WBC title that heavyweight and then this is for

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<v Speaker 2>three other belts that are currently vacant against Danielle Perkins.

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<v Speaker 2>You have talked before. This is on Sunday, it's in Flint, Michigan.

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<v Speaker 2>It's Salita Promotions that's doing this. But you've talked before that,

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<v Speaker 2>in particular in the women's heavyweight world, it is thin

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<v Speaker 2>in terms of talent pool.

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<v Speaker 1>It's not even known.

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<v Speaker 2>And so I guess the boida and I'm gonna pose it.

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<v Speaker 2>Claressa's heavily favored. How much are we legitimizing that she's

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<v Speaker 2>potentially the undisputed heavyweight champion of women's boxing with what's

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<v Speaker 2>going on here with this fighter Perkins.

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<v Speaker 1>Okay, I can tell you this. Anybody who has ever

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<v Speaker 1>read what I have written or listened to what I've

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<v Speaker 1>said knows I have nothing but the most respect for

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<v Speaker 1>the ability and the talent and everything that Clarissa shows

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<v Speaker 1>as accomplished. I'm a fan of hers. I have interviewed

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<v Speaker 1>her many times, I have met her many times. I

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<v Speaker 1>have been you know, I've known her manager for twenty

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<v Speaker 1>five years, Mark Kaffi, from his days at HBO. Nothing

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<v Speaker 1>but the massive respect heavyweight women's boxing is a joke.

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<v Speaker 1>It just this. She will, you know, be fighting in

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<v Speaker 1>the heavyweight division because you can't find like top opponents

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<v Speaker 1>in the smaller way class. She's fought all the way

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<v Speaker 1>from one hundred and fifty four pounds and then a

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<v Speaker 1>champion all the way up you know, super middleweight, and

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<v Speaker 1>and the thing about women's boxing is that, yeah, they

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<v Speaker 1>call it a heavyweight title fight, but the organizations call

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<v Speaker 1>it different things that have different weight limits. It's not

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<v Speaker 1>unlimited the way it is in some of the men's

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<v Speaker 1>weight classes. So this fight is actually a one hundred

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<v Speaker 1>and eighty pound fight, so it's like a light heavyweight

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<v Speaker 1>fight a little bit over the limit, or you could

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<v Speaker 1>say it's a cruiserweight fight, but a sure isn't a

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<v Speaker 1>heavyweight fight as we know it. So just to make

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<v Speaker 1>the technical you know detail there, if you take a

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<v Speaker 1>look at the sanctioning bodies and you look and see

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<v Speaker 1>in their what they're top weight classes, because like I said,

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<v Speaker 1>they have different top levels in terms of the weight

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<v Speaker 1>there are a mere handful of women in the whole

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<v Speaker 1>world that are even ranked. Like there's some divisions like

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<v Speaker 1>I think, I forget which one. I don't want to

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<v Speaker 1>say the wrong one, but one of the four organization

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<v Speaker 1>doesn't even have they're basically creating the weight class for

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<v Speaker 1>this fight. They don't have a ranking, there's nobody ranked

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<v Speaker 1>in the division. They don't even listen on their website.

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<v Speaker 1>So I understand what she's trying to do. I can't

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<v Speaker 1>I can't blame her. She's got opportunity to fight for titles,

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<v Speaker 1>and you know, she can win a you know, you know,

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<v Speaker 1>a fight, make money and put on, you know, a

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<v Speaker 1>fight for her hometown fans and all that, but it's

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<v Speaker 1>taking a back seat, let's say, this weekend, because the

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<v Speaker 1>pay per view is obviously way bigger on Saturday, even

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<v Speaker 1>in the UK and the rest of you know, Europe,

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<v Speaker 1>with such the boxer card is a bigger deal, and

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<v Speaker 1>this has sort of been kind of a forgotten show.

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<v Speaker 1>And her opponent, Daniel Perkins, all due respect, she is

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<v Speaker 1>five and oh and not accomplished in any way, shaped

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<v Speaker 1>or form. She's got the fight because she happens to

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<v Speaker 1>have the proper physical dimensions to be a woman that's

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<v Speaker 1>around that weight class. So the fact that this is

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<v Speaker 1>for the undisputed title and they're gonna call it the

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<v Speaker 1>undisputed heavyweight title, to me, that's more promotional. By the way,

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<v Speaker 1>May I say that Daniel is forty two years old

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<v Speaker 1>and has been a professional.

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<v Speaker 2>Since five fights and only recently. Wow, so ya.

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<v Speaker 1>Listen, she's never even had a ten rounder. Wow.

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<v Speaker 2>So let me let me interject, we keep it real.

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<v Speaker 2>This is clearly something from a marketing standpoint that they

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<v Speaker 2>want to call her undisputed in another weight division. But

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<v Speaker 2>is sham too strong of a word. Sham't call this

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<v Speaker 2>an undisputed crown for this. I think the whole heavyweight

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<v Speaker 2>concept right now is a sham. I'm not saying Cloressa

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<v Speaker 2>Shields is a sham. I'm saying it's a sham concept

830
00:37:39.039 --> 00:37:41.639
<v Speaker 2>that this is some great accomplishment right now with what

831
00:37:41.760 --> 00:37:43.280
<v Speaker 2>you just laid out, That's what I would say.

832
00:37:43.440 --> 00:37:46.280
<v Speaker 1>I can't disagree that it's not a sham because from

833
00:37:46.320 --> 00:37:49.400
<v Speaker 1>a technical and factual perspective, she will have the four

834
00:37:49.480 --> 00:37:52.119
<v Speaker 1>belts in another weight class. She'll be able to say,

835
00:37:53.360 --> 00:37:55.519
<v Speaker 1>whether you agree with it or not, that she will

836
00:37:55.519 --> 00:37:58.840
<v Speaker 1>be the first person man or woman in the four

837
00:37:58.920 --> 00:38:02.480
<v Speaker 1>belt era undisputed champion in three different weight classes. But

838
00:38:03.360 --> 00:38:07.320
<v Speaker 1>the devil is in the details, and so when you

839
00:38:07.440 --> 00:38:10.800
<v Speaker 1>don't have any there's literally I'm not even like being

840
00:38:11.360 --> 00:38:14.960
<v Speaker 1>like facetious or like joking around or like trying to

841
00:38:15.000 --> 00:38:17.840
<v Speaker 1>make it funny. There's literally not anybody ranked in the

842
00:38:17.840 --> 00:38:20.159
<v Speaker 1>weight class in some of the organizations, so.

843
00:38:21.000 --> 00:38:24.400
<v Speaker 2>They could get that's right. That says to me, it's

844
00:38:24.440 --> 00:38:27.360
<v Speaker 2>a sham title because you don't even have anybody rank.

845
00:38:27.400 --> 00:38:30.440
<v Speaker 2>You could name anybody as the champ running a certain

846
00:38:30.519 --> 00:38:32.679
<v Speaker 2>fight under that premise, two.

847
00:38:32.639 --> 00:38:34.559
<v Speaker 1>Things can be true at the same time. We can

848
00:38:34.639 --> 00:38:39.079
<v Speaker 1>say this is ridiculous, and it's it's it's it's nonsense

849
00:38:39.159 --> 00:38:43.239
<v Speaker 1>that the three division un disputed champion from the perspective

850
00:38:43.280 --> 00:38:45.199
<v Speaker 1>of the opponents being fought. But the other thing thing

851
00:38:45.280 --> 00:38:48.280
<v Speaker 1>also be true is that Clarissa Shield is the best

852
00:38:48.360 --> 00:38:51.199
<v Speaker 1>female boxer in the world pound for pound. That that

853
00:38:51.360 --> 00:38:53.719
<v Speaker 1>I would I'll die on that hill. As they say,

854
00:38:53.920 --> 00:38:57.519
<v Speaker 1>the woman has bought two time gold medal winner uh

855
00:38:57.719 --> 00:39:00.239
<v Speaker 1>seventy seven and one or something like that out as

856
00:39:00.239 --> 00:39:03.320
<v Speaker 1>an amateur, the one loss to Savannah Marshall avenged as

857
00:39:03.360 --> 00:39:05.920
<v Speaker 1>a professional by the way, she was seventeen years old

858
00:39:05.960 --> 00:39:08.039
<v Speaker 1>when they had that fight. And in terms of her

859
00:39:08.119 --> 00:39:10.880
<v Speaker 1>professional record, as I mentioned, not only all the titles

860
00:39:10.920 --> 00:39:13.920
<v Speaker 1>she's won from fifty four to you know what's seventy five,

861
00:39:14.000 --> 00:39:17.760
<v Speaker 1>I guess now going for heavyweights. And the reality is,

862
00:39:17.840 --> 00:39:20.920
<v Speaker 1>if you take a look at her entire professional resume

863
00:39:21.039 --> 00:39:24.000
<v Speaker 1>at fifteen and oh and all those fights, you could

864
00:39:24.000 --> 00:39:26.280
<v Speaker 1>probably count on one hand the rounds that she's lost.

865
00:39:26.880 --> 00:39:27.960
<v Speaker 1>I mean, she doesn't love.

866
00:39:27.960 --> 00:39:30.480
<v Speaker 2>She's been dominant, she's been domb But there is an argument,

867
00:39:30.480 --> 00:39:32.800
<v Speaker 2>and I'm just saying this as a counter she hasn't

868
00:39:32.880 --> 00:39:36.679
<v Speaker 2>been in with a lot of great competition overall, not

869
00:39:37.000 --> 00:39:41.000
<v Speaker 2>recently overall. And again this is tactical to do that.

870
00:39:41.159 --> 00:39:44.679
<v Speaker 2>The three the three time four belt undisputed.

871
00:39:44.880 --> 00:39:47.440
<v Speaker 1>What I don't know about what else is she supposed

872
00:39:47.480 --> 00:39:50.559
<v Speaker 1>to do? Is the question she's avoiding somebody.

873
00:39:50.360 --> 00:39:53.480
<v Speaker 2>Would be would there be anybody else realistically at one

874
00:39:53.599 --> 00:39:55.840
<v Speaker 2>sixty eight? And apparently there's not.

875
00:39:56.239 --> 00:39:58.599
<v Speaker 1>Tell me she's beat them all, all right, So, I mean,

876
00:39:58.719 --> 00:40:00.599
<v Speaker 1>the fact of the matter is she she's fought all

877
00:40:00.639 --> 00:40:02.519
<v Speaker 1>the best women in and around her divisions when she

878
00:40:02.599 --> 00:40:05.719
<v Speaker 1>was there, whether it's Christina Hammer, or it's Evanna Habison,

879
00:40:05.920 --> 00:40:09.159
<v Speaker 1>or it's Emma Cozen or Savannah Marshall in the professional

880
00:40:09.480 --> 00:40:12.559
<v Speaker 1>rematch or Crenejo. And then she went up and waited

881
00:40:12.559 --> 00:40:14.960
<v Speaker 1>and she fought the Canadian woman you know the page,

882
00:40:14.960 --> 00:40:16.960
<v Speaker 1>and she iced her in the second round, which is

883
00:40:17.039 --> 00:40:19.519
<v Speaker 1>a rare thing because Claressa in as great as she is,

884
00:40:19.599 --> 00:40:21.840
<v Speaker 1>the one attribute that she has lacked is the punching.

885
00:40:21.840 --> 00:40:24.920
<v Speaker 1>Parrish only got three knockouts in fifteen fights. So you know,

886
00:40:25.280 --> 00:40:28.360
<v Speaker 1>I don't like this fight. I like Claressa. I wish

887
00:40:28.400 --> 00:40:32.519
<v Speaker 1>her luck. I got nothing against Perkins, but she's un established.

888
00:40:32.960 --> 00:40:37.159
<v Speaker 1>She's forty two, She's never fought anything behind scheduled eight round.

889
00:40:37.000 --> 00:40:39.920
<v Speaker 2>And should not be in a fight for four belts

890
00:40:40.000 --> 00:40:43.039
<v Speaker 2>for a world championship, world championships.

891
00:40:43.119 --> 00:40:44.599
<v Speaker 1>That's I am born on it, and it is what

892
00:40:44.719 --> 00:40:45.480
<v Speaker 1>it is, all right.

893
00:40:45.559 --> 00:40:48.519
<v Speaker 2>So that is on Sunday again on Sunday Night on

894
00:40:48.719 --> 00:40:54.480
<v Speaker 2>Dezone and from Solida Promotions for Claressa Shields. All right,

895
00:40:54.519 --> 00:40:57.360
<v Speaker 2>we get to some news and then some nostalgia before

896
00:40:57.519 --> 00:40:59.920
<v Speaker 2>we are done, and I know you've got a heavy heart.

897
00:41:00.760 --> 00:41:03.000
<v Speaker 2>I did read on my Dan Rayfield substack about the

898
00:41:03.039 --> 00:41:07.280
<v Speaker 2>passing of legendary New York boxing writer and really national

899
00:41:07.360 --> 00:41:09.880
<v Speaker 2>boxing writer as well. Once the Internet came of age

900
00:41:09.960 --> 00:41:12.199
<v Speaker 2>Michael Katz, who passed away this week at the age

901
00:41:12.280 --> 00:41:16.039
<v Speaker 2>of eighty five. I loved the stories. The humor came

902
00:41:16.119 --> 00:41:18.519
<v Speaker 2>off the page at me because you know what, when

903
00:41:18.559 --> 00:41:21.039
<v Speaker 2>I'm reading what you were writing, there's a lot of

904
00:41:21.119 --> 00:41:23.840
<v Speaker 2>Dan Rayfield and what you were writing just what I

905
00:41:23.920 --> 00:41:26.199
<v Speaker 2>know about you, and now I begin to understand where

906
00:41:26.239 --> 00:41:28.920
<v Speaker 2>you got it from. So I'm making you smile, even

907
00:41:28.960 --> 00:41:31.639
<v Speaker 2>though this is a bit of a sad occasion for

908
00:41:31.760 --> 00:41:32.480
<v Speaker 2>you to talk about this.

909
00:41:34.239 --> 00:41:37.320
<v Speaker 1>Michael Kastz was a giant of the sport period. I

910
00:41:37.400 --> 00:41:40.559
<v Speaker 1>mean I read Michael Katz's columns in the Daily News

911
00:41:41.119 --> 00:41:43.559
<v Speaker 1>before I ever met and got to know him. He

912
00:41:43.800 --> 00:41:47.519
<v Speaker 1>was a legendary journalist. He was obviously based in New York,

913
00:41:47.599 --> 00:41:50.599
<v Speaker 1>but he had a national profile. This is way before

914
00:41:50.639 --> 00:41:54.519
<v Speaker 1>the Internet. If Michael Katz wrote a column in many regards,

915
00:41:54.559 --> 00:41:57.039
<v Speaker 1>it's set the narrative for the sport. Like if he

916
00:41:57.320 --> 00:41:59.159
<v Speaker 1>liked a certain fighter, he didn't like a certain fighter,

917
00:41:59.199 --> 00:42:01.679
<v Speaker 1>he thought a fight was, you know, controversial or you

918
00:42:01.719 --> 00:42:05.079
<v Speaker 1>know whatever his perspective was that became in many ways

919
00:42:05.400 --> 00:42:08.719
<v Speaker 1>the talking point of the fans and the business. I mean,

920
00:42:09.119 --> 00:42:11.480
<v Speaker 1>that's just the fact because the New York sports writers

921
00:42:11.519 --> 00:42:13.840
<v Speaker 1>in those days had a lot of power in terms

922
00:42:13.880 --> 00:42:16.719
<v Speaker 1>of what they wrote, and Michael Katz stood above all

923
00:42:16.719 --> 00:42:18.119
<v Speaker 1>of them. And there was a lot of great writers

924
00:42:18.159 --> 00:42:20.159
<v Speaker 1>and guys who battled it out on the beat every

925
00:42:20.199 --> 00:42:23.719
<v Speaker 1>day in those newspapers New York Times, news Day, Daily News,

926
00:42:24.519 --> 00:42:26.760
<v Speaker 1>you know, New York Post. I mean there was plenty

927
00:42:26.800 --> 00:42:30.480
<v Speaker 1>of guys, you know, people like Walie Matthews and Phil

928
00:42:30.559 --> 00:42:33.000
<v Speaker 1>Berger and Michael Katz, and you know there's there's plenty

929
00:42:33.000 --> 00:42:36.480
<v Speaker 1>of those guys. But he he was not only did

930
00:42:36.519 --> 00:42:38.519
<v Speaker 1>he know the sport, and not only did he have

931
00:42:38.679 --> 00:42:41.159
<v Speaker 1>that kind of power for lack of a better word,

932
00:42:41.679 --> 00:42:45.280
<v Speaker 1>but he also was a absolutely brilliant writer. Put put

933
00:42:45.320 --> 00:42:49.639
<v Speaker 1>boxing aside. I've read all kinds of different writers, whether

934
00:42:49.719 --> 00:42:53.000
<v Speaker 1>sports or otherwise. He's just a brilliant wordsmith. Like I

935
00:42:53.119 --> 00:42:54.800
<v Speaker 1>think I'm pretty good, and I've done this for a

936
00:42:54.880 --> 00:42:57.599
<v Speaker 1>long time, but I'm not that egotistical to say that

937
00:42:57.639 --> 00:43:00.280
<v Speaker 1>when I read his columns or his pieces, I can't

938
00:43:00.320 --> 00:43:02.480
<v Speaker 1>do that. And I dare say there's not a single

939
00:43:02.559 --> 00:43:06.480
<v Speaker 1>colleague that I have at Ringside in today's day that

940
00:43:06.599 --> 00:43:08.159
<v Speaker 1>can hold a candle to the way that he would

941
00:43:08.199 --> 00:43:10.320
<v Speaker 1>write a story, period. And that's no, not because I

942
00:43:10.400 --> 00:43:13.159
<v Speaker 1>work Ringside with a lot of talented guys and gals,

943
00:43:13.679 --> 00:43:16.320
<v Speaker 1>but Michael Katz was above them. Now. When I first started,

944
00:43:16.320 --> 00:43:18.000
<v Speaker 1>and I told the story in my column that I

945
00:43:18.039 --> 00:43:21.559
<v Speaker 1>wrote for his obituary. I first met Michael. I think

946
00:43:21.599 --> 00:43:24.079
<v Speaker 1>I might have met him in two thousand when I

947
00:43:24.159 --> 00:43:27.119
<v Speaker 1>covered that for you. First fight I did in or

948
00:43:27.199 --> 00:43:29.119
<v Speaker 1>ninety eight Atlantic City at the NA see my med fight.

949
00:43:29.199 --> 00:43:31.159
<v Speaker 1>But when I first really met him was at the

950
00:43:31.199 --> 00:43:33.400
<v Speaker 1>first fight I covered as the national writer for USA

951
00:43:33.440 --> 00:43:36.280
<v Speaker 1>Today in April of two thousand, Lennox Lewis and Michael Grant.

952
00:43:36.480 --> 00:43:38.320
<v Speaker 1>But I didn't like really know him known, but you know,

953
00:43:38.400 --> 00:43:39.760
<v Speaker 1>he was friendly to me and all that. So now

954
00:43:39.880 --> 00:43:41.559
<v Speaker 1>he fast forward like a couple of weeks later, three

955
00:43:41.599 --> 00:43:43.840
<v Speaker 1>weeks later, a month later, I go for my second

956
00:43:43.960 --> 00:43:46.760
<v Speaker 1>USA Today assignment to Atlantic City to cover a heavyweight

957
00:43:47.960 --> 00:43:51.159
<v Speaker 1>doubleheader in the Bally's Ballroom and some good heavyweights on

958
00:43:51.199 --> 00:43:54.760
<v Speaker 1>the Hassim Rockman became a champion against the South African

959
00:43:54.840 --> 00:43:57.639
<v Speaker 1>Corey Sanders. He had Ole maskaiaf who became a heavyweight

960
00:43:57.719 --> 00:44:00.679
<v Speaker 1>champion against Derek Jefferson. Anyway, on the I saw Mike

961
00:44:00.760 --> 00:44:03.199
<v Speaker 1>at the at the event and we're in the hotel

962
00:44:03.239 --> 00:44:04.800
<v Speaker 1>and he says to me in the morning of the fight,

963
00:44:05.599 --> 00:44:08.239
<v Speaker 1>and you know, he he he didn't do this except

964
00:44:08.239 --> 00:44:09.679
<v Speaker 1>for people that he kind of liked. I guess he

965
00:44:09.800 --> 00:44:11.920
<v Speaker 1>called them kid. Now I was like a grown man.

966
00:44:11.960 --> 00:44:14.360
<v Speaker 1>I was in my late twenties. But he says, come on, kid,

967
00:44:14.760 --> 00:44:17.039
<v Speaker 1>I'm taking you to lunch and I'm going to teach

968
00:44:17.079 --> 00:44:19.000
<v Speaker 1>you how to do this. So we go to like

969
00:44:19.079 --> 00:44:21.719
<v Speaker 1>this deli in the Bally's based in Bally's Casino down

970
00:44:21.760 --> 00:44:24.880
<v Speaker 1>on the boardwalk level, and we're overlooking the boardwalk and

971
00:44:25.320 --> 00:44:29.199
<v Speaker 1>we had a lunch together, and he told stories and

972
00:44:29.360 --> 00:44:31.440
<v Speaker 1>he gave me tips, and he told me who was

973
00:44:31.440 --> 00:44:33.519
<v Speaker 1>who in the business, who could be trusted, who could

974
00:44:33.559 --> 00:44:36.119
<v Speaker 1>not be trusted, you know, scenarios I would encounter with

975
00:44:36.239 --> 00:44:42.119
<v Speaker 1>promoters and fighters and pr people and managers and other writers,

976
00:44:42.239 --> 00:44:44.519
<v Speaker 1>whatever it was. And keep in mind, I'm like two

977
00:44:44.599 --> 00:44:46.360
<v Speaker 1>months on the beat at this point. I started in

978
00:44:46.760 --> 00:44:48.639
<v Speaker 1>March of two thousand. We're now here in like May

979
00:44:48.719 --> 00:44:51.119
<v Speaker 1>of two thousands. So I'm still real wet behind the ears,

980
00:44:51.159 --> 00:44:53.400
<v Speaker 1>as they say. And so he couldn't have been nicer

981
00:44:53.440 --> 00:44:54.960
<v Speaker 1>to me. And I said in the piece, and I

982
00:44:55.039 --> 00:44:56.880
<v Speaker 1>feel like this is definitely the way it went down.

983
00:44:57.239 --> 00:44:59.880
<v Speaker 1>Is he basically he's like he must have. I knew

984
00:44:59.920 --> 00:45:01.920
<v Speaker 1>he he read some stuff I had written in USA. Today.

985
00:45:02.599 --> 00:45:04.840
<v Speaker 1>I was a new guy. I was still young, obviously,

986
00:45:05.360 --> 00:45:07.679
<v Speaker 1>and he took a liking to me, and I feel

987
00:45:07.719 --> 00:45:09.599
<v Speaker 1>like I joked around like you know that he adopted

988
00:45:09.639 --> 00:45:11.880
<v Speaker 1>me that weekend. I became like his like he was

989
00:45:11.920 --> 00:45:14.519
<v Speaker 1>gonna look out for me, and he did. He looked

990
00:45:14.519 --> 00:45:16.039
<v Speaker 1>out for me. And the thing about it also was

991
00:45:16.400 --> 00:45:18.280
<v Speaker 1>he had written as the national boxer writer for the

992
00:45:18.320 --> 00:45:20.199
<v Speaker 1>New York Times. He had written as an ask He

993
00:45:20.280 --> 00:45:21.599
<v Speaker 1>left the Times and he went to the New York

994
00:45:21.679 --> 00:45:24.400
<v Speaker 1>Daily News. And when I first started at USA Today,

995
00:45:24.679 --> 00:45:26.440
<v Speaker 1>he had just left the Daily News and went to

996
00:45:26.639 --> 00:45:29.079
<v Speaker 1>and he was trailblazing at the time, because nobody in

997
00:45:29.199 --> 00:45:31.639
<v Speaker 1>our business I was leaving print media to go to

998
00:45:31.679 --> 00:45:33.480
<v Speaker 1>the internet. But he did. He left the New York

999
00:45:33.519 --> 00:45:35.480
<v Speaker 1>Daily News and a real cushy job there as a columnist,

1000
00:45:35.719 --> 00:45:37.800
<v Speaker 1>and he went to a place called the House of Boxing,

1001
00:45:37.840 --> 00:45:39.840
<v Speaker 1>which was created back at that time, and they paid

1002
00:45:39.920 --> 00:45:41.800
<v Speaker 1>him a lot of money. And for those who weren't

1003
00:45:41.800 --> 00:45:43.960
<v Speaker 1>around at that time, the House of Boxing eventually evolved

1004
00:45:44.199 --> 00:45:47.480
<v Speaker 1>into the website called Max Boxing. People like Dougie Fisher

1005
00:45:47.519 --> 00:45:49.519
<v Speaker 1>and Steve kimm and guys like that Tom Gerbasi, they

1006
00:45:49.519 --> 00:45:51.679
<v Speaker 1>were the younger guys that worked there. And but Mike

1007
00:45:51.840 --> 00:45:55.719
<v Speaker 1>was the real draw to that, to that website. He

1008
00:45:55.760 --> 00:45:56.960
<v Speaker 1>would writing all the time, and he was.

1009
00:45:57.360 --> 00:45:59.559
<v Speaker 2>Obviously we're now in the present. They were way ahead

1010
00:45:59.559 --> 00:46:01.360
<v Speaker 2>of their time with what they were doing with this

1011
00:46:01.480 --> 00:46:03.119
<v Speaker 2>House of Boxing idea and the internet.

1012
00:46:04.000 --> 00:46:07.840
<v Speaker 1>So in those early days, the writers from all over

1013
00:46:07.880 --> 00:46:09.840
<v Speaker 1>the country, and every paper still had a writer basically,

1014
00:46:09.960 --> 00:46:11.239
<v Speaker 1>So if there was a big fight in New York

1015
00:46:11.320 --> 00:46:12.960
<v Speaker 1>or Vegas, you know, a lot of guys would travel

1016
00:46:13.000 --> 00:46:14.960
<v Speaker 1>for the fight. But for the fights that weren't the

1017
00:46:15.000 --> 00:46:18.159
<v Speaker 1>mega fights, there was really very few that traveled except

1018
00:46:18.280 --> 00:46:20.199
<v Speaker 1>the three guys that did travel to a lot of

1019
00:46:20.199 --> 00:46:22.559
<v Speaker 1>the really excellent fights, but not the mega fights or

1020
00:46:22.639 --> 00:46:25.760
<v Speaker 1>meet Michael Casts from House of Boxing and Timothy tim

1021
00:46:25.800 --> 00:46:28.239
<v Speaker 1>Smith from the New York Daily News. And so I

1022
00:46:28.440 --> 00:46:30.840
<v Speaker 1>spent in those first three four years five years or so,

1023
00:46:31.079 --> 00:46:34.280
<v Speaker 1>probably most of my USA today tenure a tremendous amount

1024
00:46:34.320 --> 00:46:37.519
<v Speaker 1>of time with Michael and with tim traveling on the road,

1025
00:46:37.800 --> 00:46:39.639
<v Speaker 1>going to fights. And the thing is I always think

1026
00:46:39.639 --> 00:46:41.960
<v Speaker 1>about is Mike didn't drive because he lived in New

1027
00:46:42.000 --> 00:46:43.880
<v Speaker 1>York City, so we never had a need for a car,

1028
00:46:43.920 --> 00:46:45.480
<v Speaker 1>never got I don't think he had a driver's license.

1029
00:46:45.800 --> 00:46:47.960
<v Speaker 1>I hated to rent cars I have terrible directions since

1030
00:46:48.039 --> 00:46:50.599
<v Speaker 1>so I'm much more happy taken a cab. But Tim

1031
00:46:50.639 --> 00:46:53.239
<v Speaker 1>always rented the car. Wherever we went, didn't matter he

1032
00:46:53.320 --> 00:46:55.920
<v Speaker 1>in Vegas, he would rent the car. So for all

1033
00:46:55.960 --> 00:47:02.559
<v Speaker 1>those trips we made, Miami, Chicago, pick a place, you know, Detroit,

1034
00:47:02.679 --> 00:47:05.280
<v Speaker 1>whatever it was. Tim always had the car and we

1035
00:47:05.400 --> 00:47:07.159
<v Speaker 1>always were with him in the car, like where we went.

1036
00:47:07.320 --> 00:47:09.239
<v Speaker 1>So we ate meals together, and we went to press

1037
00:47:09.239 --> 00:47:11.320
<v Speaker 1>conferences together, and we went to the airport together, and

1038
00:47:11.400 --> 00:47:14.719
<v Speaker 1>we stayed in the same hotels and anyway. So I

1039
00:47:15.000 --> 00:47:18.280
<v Speaker 1>learned a massive amount from Katz and and him to

1040
00:47:18.360 --> 00:47:20.280
<v Speaker 1>some degree. But Michael was like he was like the

1041
00:47:20.360 --> 00:47:23.039
<v Speaker 1>mentor to all of us. But he was one of

1042
00:47:23.079 --> 00:47:25.800
<v Speaker 1>the kind because he could be the biggest dick in

1043
00:47:25.840 --> 00:47:28.519
<v Speaker 1>the world because he had a temper and he would

1044
00:47:28.800 --> 00:47:31.159
<v Speaker 1>rip people in the paper. I would say, and this

1045
00:47:31.320 --> 00:47:34.679
<v Speaker 1>is a fact. You know, the fighters loved and respected

1046
00:47:34.719 --> 00:47:36.760
<v Speaker 1>them for the most part, but the TV guys and

1047
00:47:36.800 --> 00:47:39.159
<v Speaker 1>the promoters feared him when he went on the attack

1048
00:47:39.559 --> 00:47:42.159
<v Speaker 1>because he could just shape rip them down into shreds

1049
00:47:42.559 --> 00:47:46.079
<v Speaker 1>and make it like a thing. Right. And just as

1050
00:47:46.119 --> 00:47:48.320
<v Speaker 1>one example of the respect that fighters had for Michael

1051
00:47:48.360 --> 00:47:51.920
<v Speaker 1>Katz is he covered Mike Tyson's entire career as an entity.

1052
00:47:51.960 --> 00:47:53.679
<v Speaker 1>And remember back in those days with the New York

1053
00:47:53.719 --> 00:47:57.000
<v Speaker 1>tabloids battling out every day, and Tyson was front page News,

1054
00:47:57.199 --> 00:47:59.800
<v Speaker 1>sports or otherwise. It was a big fucking deal. And

1055
00:48:00.079 --> 00:48:01.880
<v Speaker 1>cats covered all that you know, from the you know,

1056
00:48:02.039 --> 00:48:04.480
<v Speaker 1>all the way from the eighties through Buster Douglas, through prison,

1057
00:48:04.559 --> 00:48:08.159
<v Speaker 1>you name it. And so Mike had probably reasoned to

1058
00:48:08.239 --> 00:48:10.800
<v Speaker 1>maybe dislike Mike because then everything was kind that Mike

1059
00:48:10.840 --> 00:48:14.239
<v Speaker 1>wrote about Michael about Mike Tyson. But they had a respect,

1060
00:48:14.320 --> 00:48:16.280
<v Speaker 1>love and a respect for each other. So two quick

1061
00:48:16.360 --> 00:48:19.119
<v Speaker 1>Tyson Cat stories, so this shows you the respect they had.

1062
00:48:19.599 --> 00:48:23.480
<v Speaker 1>First one in two thousand and one, Ish, I forget

1063
00:48:23.519 --> 00:48:25.719
<v Speaker 1>what it was. I was in Vegas covering Lennox, covering

1064
00:48:26.360 --> 00:48:29.599
<v Speaker 1>Evander Holyfield against John Ruiz, the rematch for the WBA

1065
00:48:29.639 --> 00:48:32.320
<v Speaker 1>heavyweight title, and they had taken myself and several other

1066
00:48:32.360 --> 00:48:35.320
<v Speaker 1>writers to Mike's mansion off the strip to sit down

1067
00:48:35.360 --> 00:48:38.480
<v Speaker 1>with Mike to talk about embargo after the fight, about

1068
00:48:38.480 --> 00:48:40.960
<v Speaker 1>the prospect that Showtime would try to make him against

1069
00:48:41.000 --> 00:48:43.199
<v Speaker 1>the Winter meeting, a fight with Ruiz or a third

1070
00:48:43.239 --> 00:48:45.519
<v Speaker 1>fighter with Evander. And so we're sitting in the lot

1071
00:48:45.599 --> 00:48:50.679
<v Speaker 1>in the big open living room, and Tyson is there

1072
00:48:50.760 --> 00:48:54.280
<v Speaker 1>and Cats was there, and we were like not even

1073
00:48:54.320 --> 00:48:56.400
<v Speaker 1>in existent because it became a Cats and Tyson thing.

1074
00:48:56.599 --> 00:48:58.840
<v Speaker 1>And they spend time arguing about how to roll in marijuana,

1075
00:48:58.920 --> 00:49:02.559
<v Speaker 1>join which was absolutely and cat. So that was one

1076
00:49:02.599 --> 00:49:05.760
<v Speaker 1>great cat story that that Mike Tyson was like trying

1077
00:49:05.800 --> 00:49:06.440
<v Speaker 1>to are you.

1078
00:49:06.440 --> 00:49:08.199
<v Speaker 2>Gonna tell me next? We're keeping it real on the pod.

1079
00:49:08.199 --> 00:49:09.360
<v Speaker 2>Are you gonna tell me next? That they lit it

1080
00:49:09.400 --> 00:49:11.519
<v Speaker 2>and smoked it. No, they just were arguing about how

1081
00:49:11.559 --> 00:49:11.960
<v Speaker 2>to roll it.

1082
00:49:12.079 --> 00:49:12.400
<v Speaker 1>That was it.

1083
00:49:12.599 --> 00:49:15.079
<v Speaker 2>That's a tremendous story. That's not in the substack, by

1084
00:49:15.119 --> 00:49:17.599
<v Speaker 2>the way. That's not the subs by the way.

1085
00:49:19.440 --> 00:49:21.320
<v Speaker 1>No, keep going, okay, And so the second one is

1086
00:49:21.480 --> 00:49:23.280
<v Speaker 1>now fast forward. This is many years there, This is

1087
00:49:23.320 --> 00:49:25.280
<v Speaker 1>like two years ago something like that. I'm at the

1088
00:49:25.440 --> 00:49:29.119
<v Speaker 1>MGM Grand for a Canelo Alvarez way in and I've

1089
00:49:29.400 --> 00:49:31.400
<v Speaker 1>I had known Mike since I first started. I've told

1090
00:49:31.440 --> 00:49:32.800
<v Speaker 1>the stories. I don't have to rehash that. But I

1091
00:49:32.960 --> 00:49:35.360
<v Speaker 1>interviewed Mike a million times, covered several of his team.

1092
00:49:35.360 --> 00:49:37.159
<v Speaker 1>You know, we certainly knew each other, not like we're

1093
00:49:37.199 --> 00:49:39.719
<v Speaker 1>best friends or anything like that. But I saw him

1094
00:49:39.840 --> 00:49:42.639
<v Speaker 1>at the way in and I went over to him

1095
00:49:42.840 --> 00:49:44.599
<v Speaker 1>and he recognized me, stood up, and he gave me

1096
00:49:44.639 --> 00:49:46.199
<v Speaker 1>a hug, and we talked and we spent like a

1097
00:49:46.280 --> 00:49:48.440
<v Speaker 1>little bit of time just kind of cashing up. But

1098
00:49:48.559 --> 00:49:51.599
<v Speaker 1>the first thing that Mike ask me about, are you

1099
00:49:51.679 --> 00:49:56.559
<v Speaker 1>still in touch with mister cats? Cat called him? And

1100
00:49:56.679 --> 00:49:59.320
<v Speaker 1>that's because Mike cat ample respect for Michael Katz, like

1101
00:49:59.440 --> 00:50:05.239
<v Speaker 1>I said, re wordsmith, but profane and cantankeros and air curmudgeon,

1102
00:50:05.599 --> 00:50:08.880
<v Speaker 1>but with the people that he liked and respected, extremely generous.

1103
00:50:09.239 --> 00:50:11.280
<v Speaker 1>I used to get it ribbed from him because he

1104
00:50:11.280 --> 00:50:13.719
<v Speaker 1>would write Max's boxing columns and he would sometimes take

1105
00:50:13.760 --> 00:50:15.920
<v Speaker 1>a little swipe in me. I never really took it

1106
00:50:16.000 --> 00:50:18.719
<v Speaker 1>the bad way because I knew, based on my relationship

1107
00:50:18.800 --> 00:50:20.480
<v Speaker 1>with Mike, that he was doing it as a way

1108
00:50:20.519 --> 00:50:22.159
<v Speaker 1>to like be pointed with you know, you can do

1109
00:50:22.320 --> 00:50:24.239
<v Speaker 1>better than that kind of like I referred to it

1110
00:50:24.320 --> 00:50:26.519
<v Speaker 1>in the piece I wrote as tough love. So I

1111
00:50:26.639 --> 00:50:28.639
<v Speaker 1>never had a problem with that. And now grant that

1112
00:50:28.679 --> 00:50:30.000
<v Speaker 1>I had a lot of love for Mike, I hadn't

1113
00:50:30.039 --> 00:50:31.480
<v Speaker 1>been in touch with him. He's been retired, he'd been

1114
00:50:31.519 --> 00:50:34.119
<v Speaker 1>ill his unfortunately his wife had died many years before

1115
00:50:34.159 --> 00:50:37.079
<v Speaker 1>I met him. His daughter passed away very tragically as

1116
00:50:37.079 --> 00:50:39.440
<v Speaker 1>a young woman just a few years ago. But the

1117
00:50:39.519 --> 00:50:41.639
<v Speaker 1>last time I had any real contact him, I kept

1118
00:50:41.719 --> 00:50:43.039
<v Speaker 1>up with what he was doing because we had people

1119
00:50:43.079 --> 00:50:45.159
<v Speaker 1>that we both knew that would occasionally check in with me.

1120
00:50:45.679 --> 00:50:47.679
<v Speaker 1>When I won the Natt Fleischer Award from the Boxing

1121
00:50:47.719 --> 00:50:52.280
<v Speaker 1>Writers Association for career excellence in Boxing journalism in twenty thirteen,

1122
00:50:52.519 --> 00:50:54.880
<v Speaker 1>which is a very prestigious award because it's only voted

1123
00:50:54.920 --> 00:50:58.800
<v Speaker 1>on my past winners. So I was obviously very honored

1124
00:50:58.840 --> 00:51:01.760
<v Speaker 1>to win that. And uh, that was, like I said,

1125
00:51:01.800 --> 00:51:04.840
<v Speaker 1>twenty thirteen. Michael Katz won that award in nineteen eighty one,

1126
00:51:05.400 --> 00:51:07.320
<v Speaker 1>and wow, one of the and I got, you know,

1127
00:51:07.440 --> 00:51:09.440
<v Speaker 1>several people in the business that called me or send

1128
00:51:09.480 --> 00:51:12.360
<v Speaker 1>me emails or text to congratulate me. I think like

1129
00:51:12.480 --> 00:51:14.599
<v Speaker 1>one of the first things I got was an email

1130
00:51:14.679 --> 00:51:17.320
<v Speaker 1>from Mike Katz congratulating me. So he didn't say it

1131
00:51:17.400 --> 00:51:19.360
<v Speaker 1>that he voted for me, but I'm pretty sure he

1132
00:51:19.440 --> 00:51:20.880
<v Speaker 1>did based on the way the email was.

1133
00:51:21.360 --> 00:51:21.480
<v Speaker 3>Uh.

1134
00:51:22.000 --> 00:51:25.719
<v Speaker 1>Uh that that lunch from all those years earlier, where

1135
00:51:25.800 --> 00:51:28.199
<v Speaker 1>I felt like he took me to that lunch because

1136
00:51:28.239 --> 00:51:30.400
<v Speaker 1>he saw something that thought maybe someday I might be

1137
00:51:30.760 --> 00:51:31.519
<v Speaker 1>halfway decent.

1138
00:51:32.039 --> 00:51:36.079
<v Speaker 2>And that was his response to Congression that we both

1139
00:51:36.559 --> 00:51:39.639
<v Speaker 2>a mentor for me, and let me say this, I'm

1140
00:51:39.679 --> 00:51:41.119
<v Speaker 2>not going to ruin it right now. I'm going to

1141
00:51:41.159 --> 00:51:44.320
<v Speaker 2>push people to your substack. Get on Dan's substack. Get

1142
00:51:44.360 --> 00:51:48.440
<v Speaker 2>on his newsletter. Read the story about him brawling with

1143
00:51:48.559 --> 00:51:52.119
<v Speaker 2>another boxing writer at a press conference, and it involves

1144
00:51:52.199 --> 00:51:56.079
<v Speaker 2>Bob Aram suddenly caught up in it. Read that. Read

1145
00:51:56.159 --> 00:51:59.320
<v Speaker 2>about how he dealt with a photographer at the Madison

1146
00:51:59.360 --> 00:52:04.760
<v Speaker 2>Square Garden Theater. It's hilarious, the photographers in Michael Katz's way.

1147
00:52:05.400 --> 00:52:08.239
<v Speaker 2>Dan gives a great recounting of it. It's hilarious. How

1148
00:52:08.239 --> 00:52:10.440
<v Speaker 2>am I doing? On on pumping your substack.

1149
00:52:10.519 --> 00:52:11.639
<v Speaker 1>You're going to go.

1150
00:52:12.159 --> 00:52:16.679
<v Speaker 2>Read the sub stack for these stories because it's worth it.

1151
00:52:16.800 --> 00:52:19.760
<v Speaker 1>Go the famous media room fight with the other journalist.

1152
00:52:19.880 --> 00:52:22.320
<v Speaker 1>I was not present. It was I got the blow

1153
00:52:22.360 --> 00:52:24.079
<v Speaker 1>by blow from a lot of the guys that were there,

1154
00:52:24.599 --> 00:52:27.559
<v Speaker 1>But the one about the photographer, I was were right

1155
00:52:28.119 --> 00:52:29.599
<v Speaker 1>aside from well.

1156
00:52:29.480 --> 00:52:31.440
<v Speaker 2>That was going on. So catch catch all of that

1157
00:52:31.639 --> 00:52:36.400
<v Speaker 2>on the substack and rip to Michael Katz and listen.

1158
00:52:36.480 --> 00:52:39.039
<v Speaker 1>He covered every you know. The eighties were the golden

1159
00:52:39.119 --> 00:52:41.719
<v Speaker 1>age of like the newspaper business into the nineties, so

1160
00:52:41.840 --> 00:52:45.960
<v Speaker 1>we covered the Four Kings. He covered Holmes and George

1161
00:52:46.000 --> 00:52:49.280
<v Speaker 1>Foreman and Mike Tyson, Andy Vander Holyfield and Oscar de

1162
00:52:49.400 --> 00:52:53.800
<v Speaker 1>la Hoya and Roy Jones, all of them extensively on

1163
00:52:53.960 --> 00:52:56.880
<v Speaker 1>the road traveling. I mean, and he wasn't just boxing.

1164
00:52:56.920 --> 00:52:59.679
<v Speaker 1>He had spent years in Europe as the sports editor

1165
00:52:59.719 --> 00:53:02.199
<v Speaker 1>for the New York Times International, and he'd covered all

1166
00:53:02.280 --> 00:53:05.039
<v Speaker 1>kinds of other sports. He was a great connoisseur of wine.

1167
00:53:05.280 --> 00:53:08.079
<v Speaker 1>I remember going to places to restaurants with him in

1168
00:53:08.239 --> 00:53:10.599
<v Speaker 1>Vegas off the strip when we hear for big fights

1169
00:53:10.599 --> 00:53:12.719
<v Speaker 1>where a fewest would go out, we wouldn't just stay

1170
00:53:12.719 --> 00:53:14.360
<v Speaker 1>in the hotel. He knew all the restaurants in town.

1171
00:53:14.679 --> 00:53:17.239
<v Speaker 1>And Mike. I'm not a big wine drinker, but Mike

1172
00:53:17.320 --> 00:53:19.079
<v Speaker 1>always had the right bottle of wine that everybody else

1173
00:53:19.079 --> 00:53:21.119
<v Speaker 1>seemed to enjoy because of his I guess his time

1174
00:53:21.199 --> 00:53:23.480
<v Speaker 1>in Paris for all those years, he knew every kind

1175
00:53:23.519 --> 00:53:28.079
<v Speaker 1>of wine there. Was so a smart but ultimate curmudgeon.

1176
00:53:28.360 --> 00:53:30.000
<v Speaker 1>But I think, ultimately with a great.

1177
00:53:29.840 --> 00:53:33.000
<v Speaker 2>Heart, love it all right. I know you're I know

1178
00:53:33.039 --> 00:53:34.559
<v Speaker 2>you got a heavy heart, but you did a great

1179
00:53:34.559 --> 00:53:37.360
<v Speaker 2>tribute written and now verbally here on the pod. All right,

1180
00:53:37.360 --> 00:53:40.239
<v Speaker 2>a couple of news items. Let's go. So on Thursday,

1181
00:53:40.280 --> 00:53:43.440
<v Speaker 2>as we released this podcast, Top Rank made it official.

1182
00:53:43.599 --> 00:53:45.679
<v Speaker 2>March twenty ninth will be the date of a card

1183
00:53:45.760 --> 00:53:50.119
<v Speaker 2>they have in Las Vegas at the Fountain Blue Hotel

1184
00:53:50.159 --> 00:53:55.679
<v Speaker 2>and Casino, Mikayla Mayer Sandy Ryan rematch, as well as

1185
00:53:55.960 --> 00:53:59.840
<v Speaker 2>another world title fight with Brian Norman finally back from injury,

1186
00:54:00.039 --> 00:54:02.639
<v Speaker 2>and a little more. Tell me more about what they

1187
00:54:02.639 --> 00:54:03.400
<v Speaker 2>announced real quick.

1188
00:54:04.599 --> 00:54:08.000
<v Speaker 1>Yeah, they announced the MICHAELA Mayor Sandy Ryan rematch, which

1189
00:54:08.000 --> 00:54:09.719
<v Speaker 1>I had written about and others had also. It was

1190
00:54:09.880 --> 00:54:12.360
<v Speaker 1>not a surprise that they got it done, but now

1191
00:54:12.440 --> 00:54:14.719
<v Speaker 1>it's official, like you mentioned in March twenty ninth in

1192
00:54:14.800 --> 00:54:19.239
<v Speaker 1>Vegas for MICHAELA Mayor's WBO Women's Welter White title, which

1193
00:54:19.280 --> 00:54:23.800
<v Speaker 1>she won when she knocked not knocked out, but went

1194
00:54:23.840 --> 00:54:26.199
<v Speaker 1>to a majority decision with Sandy Ryan. Back in September.

1195
00:54:26.400 --> 00:54:28.639
<v Speaker 1>Remember that was the first of all outstanding fight. They

1196
00:54:28.679 --> 00:54:31.480
<v Speaker 1>battled it out at the Madison Square Guarden Theater. They

1197
00:54:32.599 --> 00:54:35.119
<v Speaker 1>had a tremendous battle. That was the fight where Sandy

1198
00:54:35.159 --> 00:54:37.519
<v Speaker 1>Ryan had that wild stuff happened as she's leaving the

1199
00:54:37.599 --> 00:54:40.519
<v Speaker 1>hotel to go to the to the arena where somebody

1200
00:54:40.800 --> 00:54:42.559
<v Speaker 1>jumped out of the car and threw, you know, a

1201
00:54:42.639 --> 00:54:45.480
<v Speaker 1>big can of red paint all over her, and she

1202
00:54:45.679 --> 00:54:48.760
<v Speaker 1>blamed Mikayla's team. Michaelee denied anything involved with that. That

1203
00:54:49.119 --> 00:54:52.599
<v Speaker 1>kind of set in motion, you know, some of the background,

1204
00:54:52.639 --> 00:54:54.280
<v Speaker 1>and of course they had had the whole thing about

1205
00:54:54.320 --> 00:54:57.960
<v Speaker 1>how Sandy had worked with one of Mikhaela's assistant trainers

1206
00:54:58.000 --> 00:54:59.920
<v Speaker 1>without McKellen knowing you that she ended up firing that training,

1207
00:55:00.079 --> 00:55:02.440
<v Speaker 1>So there was sort of some animosity there anyway. So

1208
00:55:02.480 --> 00:55:04.239
<v Speaker 1>now they're going to do the rematch and it should

1209
00:55:04.239 --> 00:55:06.320
<v Speaker 1>be another heck of a fight. I mean, they put

1210
00:55:06.360 --> 00:55:08.360
<v Speaker 1>on a tremendous battle the first time. And you mentioned

1211
00:55:08.599 --> 00:55:11.000
<v Speaker 1>in terms of the co feature Brian Norman, who is

1212
00:55:11.119 --> 00:55:14.719
<v Speaker 1>the WBO welterweight title holder, which he won you in

1213
00:55:14.800 --> 00:55:16.920
<v Speaker 1>an upset, but he hasn't been able to defend it

1214
00:55:17.000 --> 00:55:19.360
<v Speaker 1>yet because he had an injury that prevented him either

1215
00:55:19.400 --> 00:55:22.159
<v Speaker 1>from possibly making the Boutennans fight, which fell a part

1216
00:55:22.199 --> 00:55:24.519
<v Speaker 1>of her money, but also another defense that was supposed

1217
00:55:24.519 --> 00:55:27.000
<v Speaker 1>to take place Againstquavis on a different card at the

1218
00:55:27.079 --> 00:55:28.920
<v Speaker 1>end of last year. So he's going into this fight

1219
00:55:29.199 --> 00:55:30.800
<v Speaker 1>with really a lot of sake. He looked great against

1220
00:55:30.840 --> 00:55:33.480
<v Speaker 1>Giovanni Santio, who he stopped in San Diego, which was

1221
00:55:33.519 --> 00:55:36.400
<v Speaker 1>Santition's hometown. That was back in May. So he's going

1222
00:55:36.440 --> 00:55:39.920
<v Speaker 1>to be off of what ten month layoff. He's taken

1223
00:55:39.960 --> 00:55:42.000
<v Speaker 1>on Quavis, who's a stolid guy but maybe not a

1224
00:55:42.079 --> 00:55:45.440
<v Speaker 1>top top contender. Only got one lost Quaevis, and this

1225
00:55:45.599 --> 00:55:48.079
<v Speaker 1>is the opportunity for Norman to gain a little bit

1226
00:55:48.119 --> 00:55:50.360
<v Speaker 1>more exposure, gain a little bit more notoride. He put

1227
00:55:50.400 --> 00:55:52.679
<v Speaker 1>a defense under his belt and say, okay, I'm ready.

1228
00:55:52.760 --> 00:55:54.960
<v Speaker 1>Give me Stanionis or Ennis whoever comes out of that,

1229
00:55:55.159 --> 00:55:56.880
<v Speaker 1>or you know, maybe I can get the Barrios fight,

1230
00:55:57.000 --> 00:55:58.840
<v Speaker 1>or give me some other name in the welterweight division,

1231
00:55:59.079 --> 00:56:01.000
<v Speaker 1>maybe a t female Lopez will move up. At some

1232
00:56:01.079 --> 00:56:04.719
<v Speaker 1>point where they talked about making Ta Femo against against

1233
00:56:05.599 --> 00:56:07.679
<v Speaker 1>against Brian Norman at the end of last year. It

1234
00:56:07.679 --> 00:56:10.039
<v Speaker 1>didn't end up happening, so important fight for him. And

1235
00:56:10.079 --> 00:56:11.719
<v Speaker 1>then you mentioned the third fight. This is not on

1236
00:56:11.840 --> 00:56:14.000
<v Speaker 1>the ESPN main card. This will be I guess the

1237
00:56:14.440 --> 00:56:17.639
<v Speaker 1>top fight of the plot AESPN plus only you have

1238
00:56:17.800 --> 00:56:21.199
<v Speaker 1>the the exciting featherweight up and comer Bruce Shueshue Carrington.

1239
00:56:21.239 --> 00:56:23.840
<v Speaker 1>He is a title eliminator in the featherweight division against

1240
00:56:23.880 --> 00:56:27.039
<v Speaker 1>Enrique Vivas. So that is that is what the card

1241
00:56:27.039 --> 00:56:28.360
<v Speaker 1>looks like. They haven't announced the rest of the card.

1242
00:56:28.400 --> 00:56:30.559
<v Speaker 1>I'm sure they'll put on some other other top prospects,

1243
00:56:30.599 --> 00:56:33.079
<v Speaker 1>but the women's fight should be excellent, and I'll be

1244
00:56:33.199 --> 00:56:35.199
<v Speaker 1>very happy to see Brian Norman, who is one of

1245
00:56:35.199 --> 00:56:38.400
<v Speaker 1>the young the youngest maybe the second youngest active world

1246
00:56:38.440 --> 00:56:40.599
<v Speaker 1>title holder in the sport today, at least among the men,

1247
00:56:41.480 --> 00:56:43.840
<v Speaker 1>like what twenty three years old, and you know, get it,

1248
00:56:43.920 --> 00:56:46.039
<v Speaker 1>get a defense under his belt, or you know, maybe

1249
00:56:46.280 --> 00:56:48.440
<v Speaker 1>maybe uh maybe Quavis pulls off the upside.

1250
00:56:48.559 --> 00:56:50.360
<v Speaker 2>And again that card for late March, and I did

1251
00:56:50.440 --> 00:56:53.320
<v Speaker 2>see where Bruce Shueshu Carrington, I guess is around right

1252
00:56:53.400 --> 00:56:57.239
<v Speaker 2>now because the WBC eliminator, potentially at featherweight is for

1253
00:56:57.400 --> 00:57:01.760
<v Speaker 2>the winner of the Figarola Stephen Flton fight that's coming

1254
00:57:01.800 --> 00:57:04.480
<v Speaker 2>Saturday night, and Carrington might be involved with one of

1255
00:57:04.519 --> 00:57:07.360
<v Speaker 2>those guys down the road, So keep an eye on

1256
00:57:07.519 --> 00:57:10.199
<v Speaker 2>that all right. Moving along, you talked to us before

1257
00:57:10.440 --> 00:57:14.039
<v Speaker 2>about Taya Fimo Lopez, who's he fighting again, and about

1258
00:57:14.199 --> 00:57:17.800
<v Speaker 2>how Jack Caterall and Arnold Barbosa are already fighting an

1259
00:57:17.840 --> 00:57:20.639
<v Speaker 2>interim title. About all right, what is the WBA announced

1260
00:57:20.760 --> 00:57:23.159
<v Speaker 2>this week as it regards this whole situation, So you

1261
00:57:23.239 --> 00:57:26.400
<v Speaker 2>mean the WBO number one WBO, I misspoke, I'm sorry, WBO.

1262
00:57:26.519 --> 00:57:27.280
<v Speaker 2>What did they announce?

1263
00:57:27.800 --> 00:57:30.719
<v Speaker 1>Well, you know, back whenever it was a month or two,

1264
00:57:30.760 --> 00:57:35.400
<v Speaker 1>whatever it was, they allowed the fight. Originally, well, caterall

1265
00:57:35.599 --> 00:57:38.239
<v Speaker 1>Is fighting Arnold Barboza Junior originally was a title eliminator

1266
00:57:38.480 --> 00:57:40.360
<v Speaker 1>and that was done Delta mattrom Car taking place in

1267
00:57:40.400 --> 00:57:42.960
<v Speaker 1>Manchester his own February fifteenth. You know, a good solid

1268
00:57:43.000 --> 00:57:45.360
<v Speaker 1>fight between two of the better guys in the weight class.

1269
00:57:45.800 --> 00:57:47.800
<v Speaker 1>But because t Femo at that moment was in a

1270
00:57:47.840 --> 00:57:51.159
<v Speaker 1>big beef with top rank turning down fights, turning down dates,

1271
00:57:51.199 --> 00:57:53.079
<v Speaker 1>don't want to do the money, No, not enough money,

1272
00:57:53.440 --> 00:57:56.639
<v Speaker 1>this or that, and it was very frustrating to everybody.

1273
00:57:57.119 --> 00:58:00.440
<v Speaker 1>Top rank was sort of exacerbated by it. The WBO

1274
00:58:00.559 --> 00:58:02.880
<v Speaker 1>was upset because he hadn't fought for not a long

1275
00:58:02.960 --> 00:58:07.039
<v Speaker 1>layoff by normal standards, but nothing in the plans. They

1276
00:58:07.360 --> 00:58:09.159
<v Speaker 1>described it as, you know, his career kind of in

1277
00:58:09.280 --> 00:58:12.800
<v Speaker 1>Limbo hadn't made a mandatory defense, even though they're usually

1278
00:58:12.800 --> 00:58:14.280
<v Speaker 1>do once a year, so it'd already been like well

1279
00:58:14.280 --> 00:58:16.440
<v Speaker 1>over a year since there had been a mandatory made

1280
00:58:16.480 --> 00:58:18.440
<v Speaker 1>in the weight class. So they were like, okay, we're

1281
00:58:18.440 --> 00:58:21.519
<v Speaker 1>going to allow Catterall and Barbosa to be for the

1282
00:58:21.599 --> 00:58:25.079
<v Speaker 1>interim title, and the winner will have to be the

1283
00:58:25.199 --> 00:58:29.760
<v Speaker 1>first defense when Ta Femo comes back, so today or

1284
00:58:29.960 --> 00:58:31.920
<v Speaker 1>the day or not today, but within the last couple

1285
00:58:31.920 --> 00:58:34.039
<v Speaker 1>of days this week, they said, they put out an

1286
00:58:34.079 --> 00:58:37.199
<v Speaker 1>official resolution that said specifically, and then you know, it's

1287
00:58:37.239 --> 00:58:38.639
<v Speaker 1>one thing for people to tweet it or say it,

1288
00:58:38.760 --> 00:58:40.400
<v Speaker 1>but they got to put it in the paperwork. So

1289
00:58:40.480 --> 00:58:42.360
<v Speaker 1>the WBA did what it's supposed to do in terms

1290
00:58:42.400 --> 00:58:44.719
<v Speaker 1>of making an official They said, one hundred percent, the

1291
00:58:44.760 --> 00:58:48.719
<v Speaker 1>winner of Barbosa and Catterall when t Fimo comes back,

1292
00:58:48.800 --> 00:58:51.159
<v Speaker 1>must be his first opponent, and they put a time

1293
00:58:51.199 --> 00:58:53.199
<v Speaker 1>frame on it, which is one hundred and eighty days,

1294
00:58:53.639 --> 00:58:55.719
<v Speaker 1>so they have to get that jump. Now. The reason

1295
00:58:55.760 --> 00:58:57.960
<v Speaker 1>why this is more than just your normal mandatory order,

1296
00:58:57.960 --> 00:58:59.559
<v Speaker 1>because that would be that big of a deal to

1297
00:58:59.639 --> 00:59:01.719
<v Speaker 1>say the you got to fight the interim champion, is

1298
00:59:01.760 --> 00:59:03.800
<v Speaker 1>that when this order was made, it comes at a

1299
00:59:03.840 --> 00:59:07.280
<v Speaker 1>time where t Fimo Lopez with his new management team

1300
00:59:07.320 --> 00:59:09.719
<v Speaker 1>that we spoke about with the Okay from Top Rank

1301
00:59:09.800 --> 00:59:13.320
<v Speaker 1>his promoter. They are engaged in a conversation and negotiation

1302
00:59:13.400 --> 00:59:15.559
<v Speaker 1>with Turkey Alshi can do a three fight deal with

1303
00:59:15.719 --> 00:59:18.719
<v Speaker 1>tia Fimo, and the deal there is to do fights

1304
00:59:18.920 --> 00:59:22.880
<v Speaker 1>like perhaps the winner of Caterall and Barbosa. But what

1305
00:59:23.000 --> 00:59:25.280
<v Speaker 1>they are hoping for is that it will ultimately end

1306
00:59:25.400 --> 00:59:28.960
<v Speaker 1>with t Fimo Lopez fighting the winner of whoever merges

1307
00:59:29.000 --> 00:59:31.800
<v Speaker 1>from the Devin Haney versus Ryan Garciri match, which is

1308
00:59:31.880 --> 00:59:34.239
<v Speaker 1>scheduled you know, in October, as long as they win

1309
00:59:34.280 --> 00:59:36.800
<v Speaker 1>their interm fight. So looking longer range, the point is

1310
00:59:37.400 --> 00:59:39.199
<v Speaker 1>they're not going to necessarily be able to go forward

1311
00:59:39.760 --> 00:59:41.800
<v Speaker 1>and do like the first fight they were thinking about

1312
00:59:41.880 --> 00:59:44.239
<v Speaker 1>was to do tia Fimo in a unification with the

1313
00:59:44.280 --> 00:59:46.760
<v Speaker 1>IBF champion Richards and Nichins. So if he has to

1314
00:59:46.840 --> 00:59:51.079
<v Speaker 1>fight the winner of Barbosa and Catterall next, that may

1315
00:59:51.199 --> 00:59:53.960
<v Speaker 1>put that off. Now, maybe they can reassess it. Maybe

1316
00:59:54.000 --> 00:59:55.840
<v Speaker 1>they'll allow him to do a unification fight and have

1317
00:59:55.960 --> 00:59:58.119
<v Speaker 1>to have the the the interim fight after that. The

1318
00:59:58.199 --> 01:00:00.440
<v Speaker 1>point is, though there's a lot going on with what's

1319
01:00:00.519 --> 01:00:02.639
<v Speaker 1>up with Tifimo right now, and so it's not one

1320
01:00:02.719 --> 01:00:06.079
<v Speaker 1>hundred percent clear but it feels like what the WBOLE said, Hey,

1321
01:00:06.360 --> 01:00:09.159
<v Speaker 1>whatever your plans are, you gotta fight the winner of

1322
01:00:09.199 --> 01:00:10.400
<v Speaker 1>this fight within one hundred eighty days.

1323
01:00:10.440 --> 01:00:12.880
<v Speaker 2>And the other thing is he could vacate if you

1324
01:00:12.960 --> 01:00:15.519
<v Speaker 2>wanted to. I mean, apparently he could vacate, and then

1325
01:00:15.519 --> 01:00:18.679
<v Speaker 2>they're gonna name Catererall Barbosa winner as the champ. That's

1326
01:00:18.679 --> 01:00:20.280
<v Speaker 2>the whole purpose of the interim title. We'll see, I.

1327
01:00:20.960 --> 01:00:23.079
<v Speaker 1>Wish, and again I think that the WBO generally does

1328
01:00:23.119 --> 01:00:24.639
<v Speaker 1>a good job with these things. It would have been

1329
01:00:24.679 --> 01:00:28.239
<v Speaker 1>my preference to before you get an itchy trigger, don't

1330
01:00:28.400 --> 01:00:30.679
<v Speaker 1>make it for the interim title, just leave it be.

1331
01:00:30.880 --> 01:00:32.960
<v Speaker 1>I know Ti Fimo was jammed up with his promotion,

1332
01:00:33.400 --> 01:00:35.280
<v Speaker 1>he was in the process of changing the management, but

1333
01:00:35.480 --> 01:00:37.840
<v Speaker 1>I felt like it was a little premature to declared

1334
01:00:37.880 --> 01:00:39.679
<v Speaker 1>that the interim title. But that's just my opinion.

1335
01:00:39.840 --> 01:00:42.280
<v Speaker 2>Then again, I'm just giving the counterpoint. I'm not saying

1336
01:00:42.280 --> 01:00:44.880
<v Speaker 2>you're arguing this. He's been a knucklehead and won't fight anybody,

1337
01:00:45.159 --> 01:00:48.079
<v Speaker 2>so they're trying to light the fire under him. Fight somebody,

1338
01:00:48.239 --> 01:00:50.199
<v Speaker 2>fight who we want you to fight, or give the

1339
01:00:50.239 --> 01:00:54.239
<v Speaker 2>belt up. Stay tuned, it's boxing. A couple more you

1340
01:00:54.400 --> 01:00:59.159
<v Speaker 2>have talked before about Kinshiro Taraji and now he is

1341
01:00:59.239 --> 01:01:02.840
<v Speaker 2>going to be back action coming in March. Tell me

1342
01:01:02.960 --> 01:01:05.880
<v Speaker 2>more about the WBC's flyweight champion. Tell me more about

1343
01:01:05.880 --> 01:01:08.400
<v Speaker 2>the card in Japan, because we can't get enough of

1344
01:01:08.480 --> 01:01:11.800
<v Speaker 2>a little early morning Japanese breakfast and Japanese boxing. Give

1345
01:01:11.840 --> 01:01:12.320
<v Speaker 2>me a little more.

1346
01:01:13.280 --> 01:01:16.079
<v Speaker 1>Well, this is a tremendous matchup. I mean, Taraji is,

1347
01:01:16.519 --> 01:01:18.719
<v Speaker 1>in my opinion, one of the most exciting fighters in boxing.

1348
01:01:18.760 --> 01:01:20.679
<v Speaker 1>He's a guy that I think you can you know,

1349
01:01:20.920 --> 01:01:23.639
<v Speaker 1>maybe not if you wanted to make the argument you

1350
01:01:23.679 --> 01:01:25.000
<v Speaker 1>could find a place for him at the bottom of

1351
01:01:25.000 --> 01:01:26.480
<v Speaker 1>the top ten or pound for pund lists. I don't

1352
01:01:26.480 --> 01:01:28.119
<v Speaker 1>know if I could argue too strangle to see against that.

1353
01:01:28.320 --> 01:01:29.880
<v Speaker 1>He's on the cusp with that. At the very least,

1354
01:01:30.119 --> 01:01:32.039
<v Speaker 1>he's a really excellent fighter. He just moved up to

1355
01:01:32.079 --> 01:01:34.280
<v Speaker 1>the flyweight division and won the title, and now he's

1356
01:01:34.320 --> 01:01:36.719
<v Speaker 1>not messing around. In his first defense of the WBT title,

1357
01:01:36.760 --> 01:01:40.719
<v Speaker 1>He's taken on Serge Akui, who is only going to

1358
01:01:40.760 --> 01:01:42.639
<v Speaker 1>be in a second defense. They're going to unify the titles.

1359
01:01:42.639 --> 01:01:45.480
<v Speaker 1>And what makes it kind of even more interesting is

1360
01:01:45.519 --> 01:01:49.559
<v Speaker 1>that have it all Japanese title unification fight is very rare,

1361
01:01:50.199 --> 01:01:52.519
<v Speaker 1>very rare. It's happened only like a few times in

1362
01:01:52.559 --> 01:01:55.239
<v Speaker 1>the history of you know, the multi belt, whether it's

1363
01:01:55.239 --> 01:01:57.199
<v Speaker 1>two belts, three belts, four belts, it just does not

1364
01:01:57.320 --> 01:02:01.679
<v Speaker 1>happen very often. And so this is an interesting part

1365
01:02:01.760 --> 01:02:03.800
<v Speaker 1>of that card. And these are two of the best

1366
01:02:03.840 --> 01:02:06.000
<v Speaker 1>fly weights in the world, and Taraji may not be

1367
01:02:06.119 --> 01:02:08.679
<v Speaker 1>super well known, but he's definitely a musty kind of guy. Now,

1368
01:02:08.719 --> 01:02:11.960
<v Speaker 1>it's interesting. This is not definitely gonna be on ESPN

1369
01:02:12.000 --> 01:02:14.920
<v Speaker 1>Plus yet like the other Japanese big title cards we've

1370
01:02:14.960 --> 01:02:17.679
<v Speaker 1>seen with teaking promotions, because those are fight cards that

1371
01:02:17.719 --> 01:02:21.440
<v Speaker 1>have been on Amazon Prime in Japan and Top Rank

1372
01:02:21.559 --> 01:02:23.559
<v Speaker 1>is taken in those. This is on a different streaming

1373
01:02:23.599 --> 01:02:25.599
<v Speaker 1>service in Japan, so it still remains to be seen

1374
01:02:25.840 --> 01:02:27.920
<v Speaker 1>if Top Rank isn't gonna end up doing it. But

1375
01:02:28.039 --> 01:02:29.880
<v Speaker 1>I'm sure if you're a savvy boxing person, you'll be

1376
01:02:29.880 --> 01:02:32.119
<v Speaker 1>able to find it somewhere, whether it's YouTube right after

1377
01:02:32.159 --> 01:02:35.159
<v Speaker 1>the factor perhaps live somewhere. In any event, though, so

1378
01:02:35.280 --> 01:02:36.800
<v Speaker 1>that's the main event of that card. They got a

1379
01:02:36.840 --> 01:02:38.960
<v Speaker 1>couple they got some other title fights on the show

1380
01:02:39.000 --> 01:02:41.679
<v Speaker 1>as well, but the main attraction, of course is Taraji

1381
01:02:41.920 --> 01:02:44.320
<v Speaker 1>against a Koui which is a first class matchup. Again,

1382
01:02:44.679 --> 01:02:46.559
<v Speaker 1>you know, not everything is at the heavyweight division or

1383
01:02:46.599 --> 01:02:50.000
<v Speaker 1>superstar names, but if you like boxing, this is an excellent,

1384
01:02:50.039 --> 01:02:52.519
<v Speaker 1>excellent matchup. And both guys they're not messing around going

1385
01:02:52.840 --> 01:02:54.719
<v Speaker 1>you know, not being champions for very long. They're just

1386
01:02:54.800 --> 01:02:57.320
<v Speaker 1>going right into like literally the toughest fight they can have.

1387
01:02:57.840 --> 01:03:00.599
<v Speaker 2>That coming in about six weeks in March. And also

1388
01:03:00.760 --> 01:03:04.400
<v Speaker 2>we got more good news about what's apparently coming maybe

1389
01:03:04.519 --> 01:03:07.519
<v Speaker 2>in March, and this is a rematch with William Zapaieda

1390
01:03:07.639 --> 01:03:12.159
<v Speaker 2>and Tevin Farmer for the NUMWBC lightweight title. Zapeida got

1391
01:03:12.199 --> 01:03:16.480
<v Speaker 2>the split decision controversial. Farmer had a case that he

1392
01:03:16.559 --> 01:03:19.440
<v Speaker 2>maybe won that fight. What's the latest They just fought

1393
01:03:19.440 --> 01:03:21.599
<v Speaker 2>in November. What's the latest here on the rematch.

1394
01:03:22.119 --> 01:03:23.760
<v Speaker 1>Yeah, so it's not done yet, but I was talking

1395
01:03:23.800 --> 01:03:26.159
<v Speaker 1>to Golden Boy and they're making plans to try to

1396
01:03:26.199 --> 01:03:27.760
<v Speaker 1>get the fight done. They want to do the rematch.

1397
01:03:28.039 --> 01:03:30.480
<v Speaker 1>You know, Zepaida's mandatory for cha cour Stevenson, but he's

1398
01:03:30.480 --> 01:03:33.400
<v Speaker 1>fighting February twenty second. They didn't fight in the first

1399
01:03:33.400 --> 01:03:35.719
<v Speaker 1>place because of the injuries that had been going on

1400
01:03:35.800 --> 01:03:37.440
<v Speaker 1>with both guys, so it kind of got put off.

1401
01:03:37.719 --> 01:03:41.599
<v Speaker 1>And so he fought Farmer instead on that Latino Night

1402
01:03:41.679 --> 01:03:44.199
<v Speaker 1>card in November. As you mentioned, they had a tremendous battle,

1403
01:03:44.280 --> 01:03:48.320
<v Speaker 1>really good fight, and Zapeida won the close decision. Farmer,

1404
01:03:48.360 --> 01:03:49.800
<v Speaker 1>you know, kind of complained the battle a bit, and

1405
01:03:50.039 --> 01:03:52.199
<v Speaker 1>without a lot of other stuff going on and something

1406
01:03:52.360 --> 01:03:54.000
<v Speaker 1>nothing else that really was a big dealer, made a

1407
01:03:54.000 --> 01:03:56.199
<v Speaker 1>lot of sense. They figured, let's give Farmer the rematch.

1408
01:03:56.199 --> 01:03:58.199
<v Speaker 1>So they're trying to put the fight together from March

1409
01:03:58.239 --> 01:04:00.519
<v Speaker 1>twenty ninth. It'll be a de Zone fight, obviously being

1410
01:04:00.559 --> 01:04:02.079
<v Speaker 1>that as Golden Boy, and they're looking to do it

1411
01:04:02.119 --> 01:04:04.559
<v Speaker 1>in Cancun, Mexico, which is a paida is from Mexico,

1412
01:04:04.840 --> 01:04:08.039
<v Speaker 1>so Farmer, you know, have to travel. But you know,

1413
01:04:08.280 --> 01:04:10.599
<v Speaker 1>while you're waiting for the she Court fight, this is

1414
01:04:10.639 --> 01:04:13.000
<v Speaker 1>still a pretty good fight. Farmer, you know, he feels

1415
01:04:13.000 --> 01:04:15.400
<v Speaker 1>aggrieved because he feels he beat far he beat Sapaida.

1416
01:04:15.480 --> 01:04:17.840
<v Speaker 1>He believes he believes he kind of got a raw

1417
01:04:17.920 --> 01:04:20.599
<v Speaker 1>deal against Raymond Moretaya in the previously I which I

1418
01:04:20.599 --> 01:04:22.639
<v Speaker 1>don't agree with that for Attia definitely won that, but

1419
01:04:22.920 --> 01:04:25.119
<v Speaker 1>it was certainly competitive at least, and so for a

1420
01:04:25.199 --> 01:04:28.760
<v Speaker 1>guy that's lost a couple of fights in recent times

1421
01:04:28.800 --> 01:04:31.480
<v Speaker 1>in a row. Kevin Farmer is still a pretty damn

1422
01:04:31.519 --> 01:04:33.000
<v Speaker 1>good fighter, and we'll see if he gives a paid

1423
01:04:33.000 --> 01:04:35.360
<v Speaker 1>another run for his money if they get the deal done.

1424
01:04:35.880 --> 01:04:40.519
<v Speaker 2>All right, And that leads us now to nostalgia and uh,

1425
01:04:40.639 --> 01:04:45.119
<v Speaker 2>you know, we talked about some of the greats. Julio

1426
01:04:45.280 --> 01:04:49.199
<v Speaker 2>Cesar Chavez put his unbeaten record on the line, going

1427
01:04:49.320 --> 01:04:51.719
<v Speaker 2>back to Wednesday. Now as we released the podcast Thursday

1428
01:04:51.760 --> 01:04:55.079
<v Speaker 2>Night into Friday, January twenty ninth of nineteen ninety four,

1429
01:04:55.239 --> 01:05:00.599
<v Speaker 2>This is now thirty one years ago from Wednesday. That more, Morristown,

1430
01:05:00.719 --> 01:05:05.039
<v Speaker 2>Tennessee's Frankie Randall, the surgeon Frankie Randall. He is the

1431
01:05:05.119 --> 01:05:07.599
<v Speaker 2>all time answer to the trivia question who's the first

1432
01:05:07.719 --> 01:05:12.599
<v Speaker 2>guy to not only defeat Julio Caesar Chavez, but knocked

1433
01:05:12.679 --> 01:05:15.079
<v Speaker 2>him down in the fight and then eventually won What

1434
01:05:15.320 --> 01:05:18.199
<v Speaker 2>Chavez is can't believes is a cot and fans a

1435
01:05:18.320 --> 01:05:22.199
<v Speaker 2>controversial split decision in their first fight. The late Frankie

1436
01:05:22.280 --> 01:05:25.639
<v Speaker 2>Randall won that and as Dan points out, it's the

1437
01:05:25.800 --> 01:05:29.079
<v Speaker 2>first fight card ever correct at the MGM Grand Where

1438
01:05:29.119 --> 01:05:32.079
<v Speaker 2>you are right now, Nostalgia on top of nostalgia, Dan

1439
01:05:32.159 --> 01:05:33.039
<v Speaker 2>Rayphiel for this I.

1440
01:05:33.159 --> 01:05:35.440
<v Speaker 1>Realized that when I was in I can't. I got

1441
01:05:35.519 --> 01:05:38.519
<v Speaker 1>to Las Vegas on a Wednesday, which was the anniversary

1442
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<v Speaker 1>off this fight, So here I am. Now the MGM

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01:05:40.960 --> 01:05:44.480
<v Speaker 1>is not where the David Morrel and Benavidez are fighting

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01:05:44.559 --> 01:05:46.280
<v Speaker 1>in the Timo Bellerina, which is, you know, just a

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01:05:46.360 --> 01:05:48.920
<v Speaker 1>couple of blocks up the street, but the host hotel

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01:05:49.519 --> 01:05:52.920
<v Speaker 1>for all of the fights that take place at Timoblerina

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01:05:53.280 --> 01:05:55.920
<v Speaker 1>has been or most of them anywhether there might be

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01:05:56.000 --> 01:05:58.280
<v Speaker 1>one or two that weren't, but it's been the MGM grant.

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<v Speaker 1>So here I am checking into the MGM Grand for

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01:06:01.360 --> 01:06:04.239
<v Speaker 1>a fight week on the day that is the anniversary

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01:06:04.280 --> 01:06:06.280
<v Speaker 1>of the first boxing event they ever did there, the

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01:06:06.360 --> 01:06:08.679
<v Speaker 1>Grand Slam of Boxing, one of the big don King

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01:06:08.760 --> 01:06:11.280
<v Speaker 1>shows back in the day. When people talk about stack cards,

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01:06:11.280 --> 01:06:13.360
<v Speaker 1>I always say, well, go look at the Don King

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01:06:13.440 --> 01:06:15.400
<v Speaker 1>cards that took place, you know in the early and

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01:06:15.480 --> 01:06:17.800
<v Speaker 1>mid nineties that that sort of was the beginning of that,

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01:06:18.199 --> 01:06:20.400
<v Speaker 1>you know, rush of big time pay per view events,

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01:06:20.760 --> 01:06:24.199
<v Speaker 1>and certainly this qualifies as their first event ever in

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01:06:24.360 --> 01:06:26.519
<v Speaker 1>the MGM Grand history, which is done now you know,

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01:06:26.719 --> 01:06:28.920
<v Speaker 1>zillions of fights. We just had the big anniversary where

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01:06:28.960 --> 01:06:31.800
<v Speaker 1>there was a big celebration of their one hundred championship night.

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01:06:31.880 --> 01:06:33.320
<v Speaker 1>They were a little off on their counting, but do

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01:06:33.320 --> 01:06:36.199
<v Speaker 1>you understand the point. But this was a huge upset.

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01:06:36.320 --> 01:06:38.920
<v Speaker 1>Like you said, Chobb, is this eighty nine oh to

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01:06:39.079 --> 01:06:42.599
<v Speaker 1>one incredible going into this fight. He's made twelve defenses

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01:06:42.639 --> 01:06:45.440
<v Speaker 1>of the WBC Junior Walter Weitel. He's a fifteen to

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01:06:45.519 --> 01:06:49.320
<v Speaker 1>one favorite in the fight. And Frankie Raynal gets two

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01:06:49.360 --> 01:06:51.960
<v Speaker 1>point deductions against jabs from Richard Steel, the referee who

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01:06:52.000 --> 01:06:55.400
<v Speaker 1>took points from Chabez. You know, for I believe one

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01:06:55.480 --> 01:06:57.719
<v Speaker 1>was hitting on the brake, yes, and there was I

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01:06:57.760 --> 01:06:59.519
<v Speaker 1>forget what the low blows I believe was the other one.

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01:07:00.360 --> 01:07:02.960
<v Speaker 1>Any event, uh so he's already in the hole with

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01:07:03.039 --> 01:07:05.400
<v Speaker 1>the with the point deduction. Then in round eleven with

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01:07:05.639 --> 01:07:07.159
<v Speaker 1>just In stand in the middle of the ring and

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01:07:07.400 --> 01:07:09.920
<v Speaker 1>Randall lands is like a straight clean shot and boom,

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01:07:10.360 --> 01:07:12.360
<v Speaker 1>Chobbs is on his rear end, first bow ever in

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01:07:12.440 --> 01:07:14.880
<v Speaker 1>his career. Yeah, and it was not enough for him

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01:07:14.920 --> 01:07:17.559
<v Speaker 1>to overcome, and Randall ended up winning a split decision

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01:07:17.599 --> 01:07:19.440
<v Speaker 1>where based on the way the scores went based on

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01:07:19.480 --> 01:07:21.320
<v Speaker 1>the knockdown in the and the point deductions, you know,

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01:07:21.400 --> 01:07:22.679
<v Speaker 1>they were kind of looking for a way to take

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01:07:22.679 --> 01:07:25.039
<v Speaker 1>it away from Chovas, but he still did enough Randall

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01:07:25.079 --> 01:07:27.960
<v Speaker 1>to get the decision. Uh. They ultimately fought two more times,

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01:07:28.440 --> 01:07:31.360
<v Speaker 1>chobb Is with the controversial technical decision to win in

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01:07:31.400 --> 01:07:34.079
<v Speaker 1>the second fight, and then by the third fight. You know,

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01:07:34.320 --> 01:07:36.400
<v Speaker 1>so a few years after that, Randall was a mere

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01:07:36.480 --> 01:07:38.559
<v Speaker 1>shell of himself and he just got pummeled. But it

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01:07:38.679 --> 01:07:41.199
<v Speaker 1>was a big card, the big undercard fight. You know,

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01:07:41.239 --> 01:07:42.800
<v Speaker 1>there were some lot of good fights on the card,

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01:07:43.039 --> 01:07:46.199
<v Speaker 1>but the main card, uh feature on besides the main

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01:07:46.239 --> 01:07:49.719
<v Speaker 1>event was you know, the the great Felix Trinidad defending

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01:07:49.760 --> 01:07:52.199
<v Speaker 1>the welterweight title against Hector Camato. That's some big time

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01:07:52.519 --> 01:07:57.039
<v Speaker 1>game feature. So that was a big win for Trinidad

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01:07:57.079 --> 01:07:57.880
<v Speaker 1>in the earlier stages of.

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01:07:57.960 --> 01:07:59.880
<v Speaker 2>Yeah, I was gonna say Trinidad on the rise at

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01:08:00.119 --> 01:08:02.159
<v Speaker 2>that time with Camacho.

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<v Speaker 1>And unfortunately, there was supposed to be a fight, another

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01:08:05.360 --> 01:08:07.199
<v Speaker 1>world title fight between the great Hall of Famer at

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01:08:07.239 --> 01:08:10.039
<v Speaker 1>zum And Nelson and his great rival James Leja. That

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01:08:10.199 --> 01:08:12.719
<v Speaker 1>fight on the unfortunately got canceled off the car. Uh

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01:08:12.880 --> 01:08:14.320
<v Speaker 1>it's on the The reason I say it because I

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01:08:14.440 --> 01:08:16.560
<v Speaker 1>posted a picture of the program and the and their

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01:08:16.640 --> 01:08:18.279
<v Speaker 1>their pictures are on the program, but it was a

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01:08:18.359 --> 01:08:19.319
<v Speaker 1>late scratch from the show.

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01:08:19.520 --> 01:08:22.720
<v Speaker 2>But it also has the car Simon, Simon Brown, Tommy

1506
01:08:22.800 --> 01:08:25.239
<v Speaker 2>hit Van Heerds fighting as a cruiserweight, believe it or not,

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01:08:26.159 --> 01:08:29.560
<v Speaker 2>on that card. All of that one years ago.

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01:08:30.319 --> 01:08:32.960
<v Speaker 1>How many fights have taken place in this great arena,

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01:08:33.079 --> 01:08:35.720
<v Speaker 1>this hallowed building since then. But that was the beginning

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01:08:36.000 --> 01:08:38.159
<v Speaker 1>and they got it off with a bang, with one

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01:08:38.159 --> 01:08:42.159
<v Speaker 1>of the biggest upsets of that decade. Yeah, tremendous.

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01:08:42.359 --> 01:08:45.199
<v Speaker 2>And again, Frankie Randall passed away a couple of years ago,

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01:08:45.359 --> 01:08:47.520
<v Speaker 2>had been in a nursing home in Tennessee, had been

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01:08:47.600 --> 01:08:51.079
<v Speaker 2>in had been in bad health. Drugs alcohol had had

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01:08:51.159 --> 01:08:54.399
<v Speaker 2>really robbed him of his latter years. But again the

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01:08:54.479 --> 01:08:57.239
<v Speaker 2>answer to the trivia question, it's not. It's not any

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01:08:57.319 --> 01:08:59.479
<v Speaker 2>of the other all time greats that you might think.

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01:08:59.680 --> 01:09:03.399
<v Speaker 2>It is Frankie Randall who the who got the win

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01:09:03.600 --> 01:09:06.800
<v Speaker 2>now thirty one years ago Wednesday, the first ever loss.

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<v Speaker 2>Is it fair? I think it's fair to say that

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01:09:09.760 --> 01:09:14.399
<v Speaker 2>in terms of big time world champions, I hate you

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01:09:14.479 --> 01:09:16.479
<v Speaker 2>love it when I do this. I hate the word never.

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01:09:16.840 --> 01:09:18.960
<v Speaker 2>You gotta be careful of words like never. You gotta

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01:09:19.000 --> 01:09:21.199
<v Speaker 2>be careful of words like forever. You gotta be careful

1525
01:09:21.239 --> 01:09:22.880
<v Speaker 2>of the phrase I love you. You better be very

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01:09:22.960 --> 01:09:25.079
<v Speaker 2>careful before you're saying the phrase I love you. I'm

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01:09:25.119 --> 01:09:27.359
<v Speaker 2>just giving some advice, dating advice, metal advice.

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01:09:27.880 --> 01:09:28.560
<v Speaker 1>Will you marry me?

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01:09:28.640 --> 01:09:31.439
<v Speaker 2>That's another phrase be careful of. But is it fair

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01:09:31.520 --> 01:09:36.239
<v Speaker 2>to say we are highly unlikely to ever see anybody

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01:09:36.359 --> 01:09:39.760
<v Speaker 2>get to eighty nine and oh in major world championship

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01:09:39.760 --> 01:09:41.359
<v Speaker 2>boxing 're in this case now eighty nine to oh

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01:09:41.439 --> 01:09:44.079
<v Speaker 2>to one with the draw against Parnell Whitaker, which came

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01:09:44.119 --> 01:09:47.800
<v Speaker 2>the year before in ninety three for Chavez, eighty nine.

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01:09:47.960 --> 01:09:49.159
<v Speaker 1>They just don't fight that much.

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01:09:49.239 --> 01:09:52.439
<v Speaker 2>No, eighty nine oh and one? Are you kidding me?

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01:09:52.520 --> 01:09:54.479
<v Speaker 2>Before he lost a fight, it's crazy.

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01:09:54.479 --> 01:09:56.680
<v Speaker 1>Forget about getting to eighty nine to zhe one the

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01:09:56.840 --> 01:10:00.640
<v Speaker 1>best fighters, they're probably not gonna get. Forget about ninety fights,

1540
01:10:01.119 --> 01:10:03.439
<v Speaker 1>you know, Canelo Albers being an exception who's got over

1541
01:10:03.520 --> 01:10:06.000
<v Speaker 1>sixty fights now, right, Even to get to that level

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01:10:06.039 --> 01:10:08.119
<v Speaker 1>of fifty and sixty fights is highly unusual at this

1543
01:10:08.199 --> 01:10:10.600
<v Speaker 1>stage of boxing. I mean, there's a lot you know

1544
01:10:10.640 --> 01:10:14.079
<v Speaker 1>who have done that in recent times, got into the

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01:10:14.159 --> 01:10:17.199
<v Speaker 1>fifties and that sort of stuff. But and Chavez didn't

1546
01:10:17.239 --> 01:10:20.159
<v Speaker 1>stop there because after he lost the fight to Frankie Randall,

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01:10:20.439 --> 01:10:22.399
<v Speaker 1>he will, like he said, he got the revenge and

1548
01:10:22.439 --> 01:10:24.279
<v Speaker 1>the rematch on the one of the great pay per

1549
01:10:24.359 --> 01:10:25.960
<v Speaker 1>view cards of all time, Revenge of the Rematches. But

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01:10:26.039 --> 01:10:28.079
<v Speaker 1>then he went on the street where he continued to

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01:10:28.119 --> 01:10:30.039
<v Speaker 1>defend the title. He beat Meldrick Taylor in the rematch.

1552
01:10:30.159 --> 01:10:33.760
<v Speaker 1>Granton Meldric was way gone at that point. Tony Lopez Pei.

1553
01:10:34.560 --> 01:10:38.239
<v Speaker 1>Ultimately he ended up moving you know, into the into

1554
01:10:38.279 --> 01:10:42.359
<v Speaker 1>the huge, huge attraction fight where he fought Oscar de

1555
01:10:42.439 --> 01:10:44.680
<v Speaker 1>la Hoya for the first time. He lost, at which

1556
01:10:44.760 --> 01:10:48.920
<v Speaker 1>point that was sort of like now Chabz is considered

1557
01:10:49.000 --> 01:10:51.359
<v Speaker 1>like an older kind of shot, kind of playing out

1558
01:10:51.359 --> 01:10:54.359
<v Speaker 1>the string. But he still went one another title and

1559
01:10:54.479 --> 01:10:58.079
<v Speaker 1>still you know, did some other things and fought in

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01:10:58.159 --> 01:11:00.680
<v Speaker 1>other title fights for a Peter up about eighty nine

1561
01:11:00.720 --> 01:11:03.920
<v Speaker 1>oh to one. He finished one hundred and seven six

1562
01:11:04.039 --> 01:11:06.680
<v Speaker 1>and two with eighty five knockouts. The man has more

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01:11:06.760 --> 01:11:11.399
<v Speaker 1>knockouts and virtually everybody has fights. So that was a

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01:11:11.600 --> 01:11:13.279
<v Speaker 1>huge upset. I mean, you could say it's probably one

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01:11:13.279 --> 01:11:14.520
<v Speaker 1>of the biggest upsets. I mean, I don't know if

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01:11:14.520 --> 01:11:16.600
<v Speaker 1>it's it's not gonna trump you know Tyson and and

1567
01:11:16.760 --> 01:11:19.159
<v Speaker 1>Buster Duggas anything like that. But you know, at fifteen

1568
01:11:19.199 --> 01:11:21.920
<v Speaker 1>to one, and with what Chavis had accomplished, that was

1569
01:11:22.000 --> 01:11:26.279
<v Speaker 1>like a pretty big shocker that that occurred. I mean,

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01:11:26.319 --> 01:11:28.239
<v Speaker 1>I don't know, like you said, nobody's ever getting to

1571
01:11:28.359 --> 01:11:30.000
<v Speaker 1>that level again. And I think, actually now that I

1572
01:11:30.039 --> 01:11:33.640
<v Speaker 1>mention it, he did not win once he lost that

1573
01:11:33.800 --> 01:11:38.439
<v Speaker 1>title to Oscar. He never won another world title. He

1574
01:11:38.600 --> 01:11:40.199
<v Speaker 1>fought still after that, but.

1575
01:11:40.279 --> 01:11:42.560
<v Speaker 2>Never untill he fought on and won what did you say,

1576
01:11:42.600 --> 01:11:44.319
<v Speaker 2>one hundred and seventy and fell on and won eighteen

1577
01:11:44.399 --> 01:11:47.600
<v Speaker 2>more fights after this, after this loss to Frankie Randall.

1578
01:11:47.720 --> 01:11:49.119
<v Speaker 1>So you know, grant that some of them are not

1579
01:11:49.159 --> 01:11:52.159
<v Speaker 1>against the top names. See, he got it. He fought

1580
01:11:52.199 --> 01:11:54.840
<v Speaker 1>in another title fight when he when he lost in

1581
01:11:54.920 --> 01:11:57.000
<v Speaker 1>the rematch with Oscar, as well as the Costazu fight

1582
01:11:57.079 --> 01:11:59.680
<v Speaker 1>that we've talked about in the past. But the eighty

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01:11:59.720 --> 01:12:01.520
<v Speaker 1>nine one is the remarkable sort.

1584
01:12:01.359 --> 01:12:03.520
<v Speaker 2>Of stretch career staggering.

1585
01:12:04.039 --> 01:12:05.680
<v Speaker 1>So when people want to make a big deal about

1586
01:12:05.720 --> 01:12:08.760
<v Speaker 1>you know, Floyd was fifty and oh, okay, that's a

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01:12:08.800 --> 01:12:10.800
<v Speaker 1>great he wasn't eight nine.

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01:12:10.960 --> 01:12:12.720
<v Speaker 2>One, na, oh yeah. In a way right now, that

1589
01:12:12.800 --> 01:12:14.319
<v Speaker 2>has the twenty what is it twenty three or twenty

1590
01:12:14.359 --> 01:12:17.279
<v Speaker 2>four world title wins. Let's see him get Let's see

1591
01:12:17.359 --> 01:12:20.359
<v Speaker 2>him fight fifty more times, sixty more times. That ain't

1592
01:12:20.399 --> 01:12:24.319
<v Speaker 2>happening exactly? All right with that, it has been a

1593
01:12:24.399 --> 01:12:27.199
<v Speaker 2>busy program. What's say you and I reconvene on the

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01:12:27.239 --> 01:12:30.239
<v Speaker 2>bet Us TV Boxing Show on their platforms, their YouTube,

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01:12:30.279 --> 01:12:34.159
<v Speaker 2>their social media one Eastern ten a m. Pacific. Big

1596
01:12:34.279 --> 01:12:37.760
<v Speaker 2>Dan will be out where he is in Las Vegas

1597
01:12:37.840 --> 01:12:40.560
<v Speaker 2>for that. When it is all over for this weekend,

1598
01:12:40.600 --> 01:12:43.560
<v Speaker 2>we'll come back in with a recap podcast on the

1599
01:12:43.640 --> 01:12:47.119
<v Speaker 2>Benavidez Morell main event, the co feature as well with

1600
01:12:47.720 --> 01:12:51.520
<v Speaker 2>Stephen Fulton and Brandon Figuerola. That big rematch. I'm intrigued

1601
01:12:51.520 --> 01:12:52.800
<v Speaker 2>by that one. I think a lot of people are.

1602
01:12:53.520 --> 01:12:56.119
<v Speaker 2>Let's do all of that this weekend for now. Enjoy

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01:12:56.199 --> 01:12:58.279
<v Speaker 2>yourself here over the next couple of days and we

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01:12:58.359 --> 01:13:00.760
<v Speaker 2>look to a reconvene on bet Us on the recap pod.

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01:13:00.840 --> 01:13:02.760
<v Speaker 2>Thank you Dan, Raphael, all.

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01:13:02.720 --> 01:13:04.359
<v Speaker 1>Right, TJ joined the fight. There you go.

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01:13:04.760 --> 01:13:06.520
<v Speaker 2>There is the one and only go to that fight.

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01:13:06.560 --> 01:13:08.439
<v Speaker 2>Freak to night, Substack for all the news. He's got

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01:13:08.479 --> 01:13:12.600
<v Speaker 2>some great insight on the press conferences, et cetera, more

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01:13:12.680 --> 01:13:16.560
<v Speaker 2>of the stories on Michael Katz, some other news items

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01:13:16.600 --> 01:13:19.079
<v Speaker 2>in his notebook. Etca go check that out on the

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01:13:19.359 --> 01:13:22.119
<v Speaker 2>Fight Preach Unite substack. Again, we're back on the bet

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01:13:22.239 --> 01:13:24.880
<v Speaker 2>Us show as you hear this Friday at one Eastern time.

1614
01:13:25.399 --> 01:13:28.479
<v Speaker 2>We'll recap off the weekend on the Fight Freaks Unite

1615
01:13:28.640 --> 01:13:31.840
<v Speaker 2>Recap podcast on this very feat, So follow or subscribe

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01:13:32.279 --> 01:13:34.720
<v Speaker 2>on apples Freaker, Spotify. For Dan, I'm TJ. Thank you

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