1 00:00:05,160 --> 00:00:08,759 Speaker 1: The countdown is on to fight time. This is Big 2 00:00:08,839 --> 00:00:09,640 Fight Weekend. 3 00:00:10,080 --> 00:00:16,359 Speaker 2: Now here is your host, DJ Leaves. All right, we 4 00:00:16,559 --> 00:00:19,039 have reached the weekend. We're gonna flip the calendar to 5 00:00:19,120 --> 00:00:22,480 February and we've got a light heavyweight showdown, very very 6 00:00:22,480 --> 00:00:26,320 interesting in the BBC on Fine main event. David Benavita's 7 00:00:26,519 --> 00:00:32,399 David Morrell, the Benavitas Interim WBC title, Morell's WBA regular 8 00:00:32,479 --> 00:00:34,759 title on the line. Big stakes for the winner to 9 00:00:34,799 --> 00:00:37,840 maybe get a world title shot with either better BV 10 00:00:37,880 --> 00:00:39,479 or b BOL. We're ready to talk about all of that. 11 00:00:39,560 --> 00:00:42,359 The fight card. We got fights there, we got fights 12 00:00:42,359 --> 00:00:44,719 in England, we got Coloressa shields back, we got news, 13 00:00:44,719 --> 00:00:46,920 we got nostalgia. You are part of the Big Fight 14 00:00:46,960 --> 00:00:50,399 Weekend preview. I am the somewhat competent host, TJ. Reeves. 15 00:00:50,640 --> 00:00:53,679 He is my colleague, our insider Dan Rayfield, all the 16 00:00:53,679 --> 00:00:56,479 way out ol on location in Vegas. Good to be 17 00:00:56,560 --> 00:00:59,679 with you here in the preview mode as you have 18 00:00:59,679 --> 00:01:02,320 settled in for this weekend. We got a lot to 19 00:01:02,359 --> 00:01:04,799 go over at the time that we are doing this. 20 00:01:04,920 --> 00:01:07,799 You have been part of the press conference ramping up 21 00:01:07,799 --> 00:01:11,040 on Thursday, headed to Friday for everything, How are things? 22 00:01:11,439 --> 00:01:14,640 How are things in the desert? And we're getting ready 23 00:01:14,640 --> 00:01:15,879 for this light heavyweight showdown Dan. 24 00:01:16,920 --> 00:01:19,480 Speaker 1: I think the press conference became unhinged and a lot 25 00:01:19,480 --> 00:01:21,319 of people have got excited because those guys want to 26 00:01:21,319 --> 00:01:23,519 throw at each other right away. They haven't liked each 27 00:01:23,519 --> 00:01:25,959 other throughout the promotion. I think we talked about it back, 28 00:01:26,200 --> 00:01:27,519 you know, a month or so ago, and they had 29 00:01:27,560 --> 00:01:31,920 the Miami event and David Merrell threw the belt at 30 00:01:32,000 --> 00:01:34,079 David Benavide's and I made the point that I've been 31 00:01:34,120 --> 00:01:36,879 to and seen many, many countless press conferences and seen 32 00:01:36,879 --> 00:01:41,040 pretty much everything thrown, water bottles, other people, chairs, tables, 33 00:01:41,400 --> 00:01:43,599 you know, you name it. Never had saw a belt 34 00:01:43,640 --> 00:01:46,359 throw thrown at somebody else, which actually is kind of 35 00:01:46,359 --> 00:01:48,560 surprising given that the belts are always in proximity. But 36 00:01:48,599 --> 00:01:50,159 the point I'm making here is that these guys don't 37 00:01:50,200 --> 00:01:53,439 like each other. It was on display at the press conference. 38 00:01:54,040 --> 00:01:55,920 It's a fifty to fifty kind of matchup. I think 39 00:01:55,959 --> 00:01:58,879 too many people, even if I think maybe those who 40 00:01:59,040 --> 00:02:01,840 feel like there's a straw winner outcome will be maybe 41 00:02:01,920 --> 00:02:04,840 leaning towards more towards Benavide's. Although I will say this though, 42 00:02:04,879 --> 00:02:08,240 TJ in the in the predictions that the that the 43 00:02:08,319 --> 00:02:13,439 find folks from the PR team gathered from media members, fighters, trainers, 44 00:02:14,159 --> 00:02:16,159 there was quite a few people that were you know, 45 00:02:16,479 --> 00:02:18,560 you know, some picking burrel somethick and then this is 46 00:02:18,560 --> 00:02:20,879 what you want to see. So uh, I'm excited to 47 00:02:20,879 --> 00:02:22,280 be out here for what I think is going to 48 00:02:22,360 --> 00:02:26,280 be a really good, interesting, exciting fight and then being honest, 49 00:02:26,280 --> 00:02:27,560 you know, an excellent undercard. 50 00:02:28,120 --> 00:02:30,039 Speaker 2: And we'll get into the undercard in a couple of moments. 51 00:02:30,120 --> 00:02:33,080 But I always ask you on these things. You've done 52 00:02:33,080 --> 00:02:35,120 it long enough where you can kind of see through 53 00:02:35,159 --> 00:02:38,360 and be a smell test detector. Do you think this 54 00:02:38,520 --> 00:02:41,479 is genuine on the dislike or is some of it hype? 55 00:02:41,919 --> 00:02:43,960 Is most of it hype? What do you read having 56 00:02:43,960 --> 00:02:45,039 been at that press conference. 57 00:02:45,879 --> 00:02:48,159 Speaker 1: To me, there's no doubt that it's both there. They 58 00:02:48,199 --> 00:02:50,080 don't like each other, that's clear. But I also know 59 00:02:50,159 --> 00:02:52,319 and David Benavidia said as much in the interview that 60 00:02:52,360 --> 00:02:55,120 I had with it that's on the previous episode that 61 00:02:55,240 --> 00:02:56,960 is also by the way, on it's a standalone where 62 00:02:56,960 --> 00:02:59,319 you can just listen to that particular interview on the 63 00:02:59,319 --> 00:03:02,039 most recent one on prior to them. Anyway, he said 64 00:03:02,039 --> 00:03:04,599 that he understands, uh that that this is what people 65 00:03:04,639 --> 00:03:07,240 want to see, animosity, you know, a little smack talk. 66 00:03:07,319 --> 00:03:09,319 So they were cursing each other out a little Spanish, 67 00:03:09,360 --> 00:03:11,719 little English at the press conference today. Uh, you know, 68 00:03:11,879 --> 00:03:15,759 which was on Sesday, Thursday, Thursday afternoon in Vegas. I 69 00:03:15,800 --> 00:03:16,520 lost track of time. 70 00:03:16,960 --> 00:03:17,080 Speaker 3: Uh. 71 00:03:17,120 --> 00:03:19,120 Speaker 1: They did the Undercar press conference first, and then they 72 00:03:19,439 --> 00:03:21,680 took care of those guys, and then they brought in 73 00:03:21,919 --> 00:03:24,520 David and David to do the main event. And uh, yeah, 74 00:03:24,560 --> 00:03:26,960 I mean, I think they're both trying to fight, but 75 00:03:26,960 --> 00:03:28,800 I also don't think there's any love lost. That said, 76 00:03:28,960 --> 00:03:31,319 I'm very convinced that when it's over with they'll be sportsman. Know, 77 00:03:31,639 --> 00:03:33,680 they'll they'll be good sports better. Whoever wins, they'll shake 78 00:03:33,719 --> 00:03:36,080 hands and and move on. But a really good fight, 79 00:03:36,240 --> 00:03:37,479 and you know, on paper anyway. 80 00:03:37,879 --> 00:03:40,439 Speaker 2: I should make mention too, while we rock along here 81 00:03:40,479 --> 00:03:42,280 on the on the preview pod, that our friends at 82 00:03:42,319 --> 00:03:45,879 PPV dot com are sponsoring us. Uh. We we love 83 00:03:45,960 --> 00:03:48,800 their involvement with us. We'll hear from Mark Boucardi, who 84 00:03:48,879 --> 00:03:50,960 runs PPV dot com in a little bit about this fight. 85 00:03:51,000 --> 00:03:52,560 But one of the things I will just say to 86 00:03:52,599 --> 00:03:54,680 the audience. One of the things that appeals here, and 87 00:03:54,719 --> 00:03:57,639 Mark's going to talk about this is the fact that 88 00:03:57,719 --> 00:04:00,879 the winner of this fight is definite, as I said, 89 00:04:00,960 --> 00:04:04,360 in position to get a much bigger showdown. These are 90 00:04:04,400 --> 00:04:07,520 this is high stakes here for this just elaborate on 91 00:04:07,560 --> 00:04:10,319 that part from your point of view. Here, it's a 92 00:04:10,439 --> 00:04:12,639 large step at light heavyweight for whoever wins. 93 00:04:12,639 --> 00:04:15,319 Speaker 1: Sorry Night, absolutely listen. Both of these guys have had 94 00:04:15,360 --> 00:04:17,680 just one light heavyweight fight before, we've seen them in 95 00:04:17,680 --> 00:04:20,079 action what they can do at super midaweight. Benavidez is 96 00:04:20,120 --> 00:04:22,160 a much more established guy. He was a two time 97 00:04:22,639 --> 00:04:26,199 WBC title holder, and he has beaten fighters like Caleb Plant, 98 00:04:26,199 --> 00:04:28,920 Demitris Andre Back a little bit before that, Anthony Durrell. 99 00:04:29,319 --> 00:04:31,480 You know, he's got, you know, a good track record 100 00:04:31,519 --> 00:04:34,240 in the weight class. David Morrell as a as a 101 00:04:34,279 --> 00:04:37,839 super midiweight, very big talent, obviously undefeated and a top 102 00:04:37,879 --> 00:04:39,480 amateur and all the things that you want to see 103 00:04:39,519 --> 00:04:42,040 in an up and coming fighter in the pros. But 104 00:04:42,120 --> 00:04:43,759 he just doesn't have the level of the level of 105 00:04:43,839 --> 00:04:46,800 opponent that David Benavidez has, hass So they both moved 106 00:04:46,839 --> 00:04:48,959 up because Canelo wouldn't fight either one of them. More so, 107 00:04:49,120 --> 00:04:51,639 Benavidez Morell was the mandatory in the WBA, but it 108 00:04:51,680 --> 00:04:54,040 was never ordered and there was no movement there because 109 00:04:54,240 --> 00:04:56,399 he just didn't have the experience that people thought were 110 00:04:56,399 --> 00:04:59,120 the name recognition. But they both went to light heavyweight, 111 00:04:59,480 --> 00:05:02,680 and in he saw David Benavidie's have a fight with 112 00:05:02,759 --> 00:05:06,920 Alexander Vojakuza, former Lenny, former you know, legit champion in 113 00:05:06,959 --> 00:05:09,279 the weight division. He had lost. The one loss he 114 00:05:09,279 --> 00:05:13,680 suffered was to better be of any unification fight. And uh, 115 00:05:14,279 --> 00:05:16,240 you know, he looked okay in that fight. He won, 116 00:05:16,600 --> 00:05:20,000 you know, going away on the scorecards. Benavide's had some 117 00:05:20,040 --> 00:05:22,399 struggles hardly because he had an injury going into the fight, 118 00:05:22,480 --> 00:05:24,439 an injury in the fight. Not to make excuses, but 119 00:05:24,639 --> 00:05:26,920 that simply the reality. And then you then you fast 120 00:05:26,920 --> 00:05:29,120 forward to August and you saw David Morrell. He moved 121 00:05:29,160 --> 00:05:31,199 up to light heavyweight. He fought hot Rod College Chick 122 00:05:31,240 --> 00:05:34,240 on the Crawford Madromov card in Los Angeles, and also, 123 00:05:34,279 --> 00:05:35,759 you know, he won going away, there was no real 124 00:05:35,839 --> 00:05:38,240 question there. But also look, you know, kind of pedestrian 125 00:05:39,480 --> 00:05:41,600 was talking to his trainer, Ronnie Shields. Earlier in the 126 00:05:41,639 --> 00:05:44,560 media center, and I've I've been friendly with Ronnie for 127 00:05:44,720 --> 00:05:47,920 my entire career. U a great trainer, hall of famer someday, 128 00:05:47,959 --> 00:05:50,519 I believe, and you know, he has the same opinion 129 00:05:50,600 --> 00:05:52,319 that I do of one of the reasons why Morell 130 00:05:52,560 --> 00:05:55,360 look real pedestrian that fight was they were in the sunfield, 131 00:05:55,399 --> 00:05:57,519 so to speak. That was outdoors in la It was 132 00:05:57,519 --> 00:05:59,759 the hottest time of day and they were in there 133 00:06:00,000 --> 00:06:02,040 the sun right in their eyes, and it just put 134 00:06:02,120 --> 00:06:04,600 them off. I mean, I'm convinced that was unsettling to him, 135 00:06:04,639 --> 00:06:07,800 whereas hot Rod was in the shade corner and it 136 00:06:07,839 --> 00:06:09,160 was a lot better for him. And so yeah, he's 137 00:06:09,160 --> 00:06:12,360 still won handling, but they were very difficult circumstances for 138 00:06:12,439 --> 00:06:16,240 him to deal with that. So now, as Benavda said 139 00:06:16,240 --> 00:06:19,000 an interview, he feels like this is a fight where 140 00:06:19,000 --> 00:06:21,360 they can have the opportunity to really show what they're 141 00:06:21,360 --> 00:06:24,879 all about in the way class top notch opponent, no excuses. 142 00:06:24,920 --> 00:06:28,199 He says, this health is no problem in terms of morale. 143 00:06:28,240 --> 00:06:30,279 There ain't gonna be a sunfield. It's indoors at the 144 00:06:30,319 --> 00:06:32,839 Team Obil arena. He's fought there before. They've both fought 145 00:06:32,839 --> 00:06:36,279 there before, so had all the makings for a very 146 00:06:37,040 --> 00:06:40,839 exciting fan friendly fight. I mean, listen, DJ, I think 147 00:06:41,120 --> 00:06:43,120 there's a lot of ways this can go. I mean, 148 00:06:43,120 --> 00:06:45,360 we'll get into more specifics when we do our US 149 00:06:45,399 --> 00:06:49,199 betting show one o'clock Eastern time on Friday. But that's 150 00:06:49,240 --> 00:06:53,199 that for a pluck on their YouTube and other projects. 151 00:06:53,360 --> 00:06:55,600 Speaker 2: You are so trained in doing that now you hit 152 00:06:55,639 --> 00:06:58,360 it before I could hit it. But there are intriguing 153 00:06:58,399 --> 00:07:00,399 elements to this. That's all handicap, right. 154 00:07:00,480 --> 00:07:01,920 Speaker 1: So the thing I was gonna say to about the 155 00:07:01,959 --> 00:07:04,639 fight itself is, and I've been talking to if people 156 00:07:04,639 --> 00:07:07,279 in the media center, like other boxing folks, other writers, 157 00:07:07,319 --> 00:07:09,720 you know, people that are trainers who aren't necessarily involved 158 00:07:09,720 --> 00:07:12,279 with the main event. A lot of people can see 159 00:07:12,279 --> 00:07:14,240 the fight going any which way. The one thing that 160 00:07:14,319 --> 00:07:17,439 most people don't really see as a like a real 161 00:07:18,199 --> 00:07:20,360 I mean a lesser it's still a possibility, but maybe 162 00:07:20,360 --> 00:07:25,079 a lesser possibility is morale by a knockout. But I 163 00:07:25,120 --> 00:07:27,399 can see it going any which way. But I've talked 164 00:07:27,399 --> 00:07:28,759 to a lot of people and I'm starting to sort 165 00:07:28,800 --> 00:07:31,959 of feel it based on the animosity that there's sort 166 00:07:31,959 --> 00:07:35,160 of like this rippling like feeling among people. Maybe it's hope, 167 00:07:35,240 --> 00:07:37,439 maybe it's real. I don't know, but that they're going 168 00:07:37,519 --> 00:07:39,000 to just come out and say fuck it and go 169 00:07:39,079 --> 00:07:42,759 for it like Hacklers and just bombs away and whoever 170 00:07:42,839 --> 00:07:44,800 stand and wins the fight, and it's like a three, 171 00:07:44,879 --> 00:07:46,399 four or five round type of shootout fight. 172 00:07:46,600 --> 00:07:49,600 Speaker 2: Can I tell you amazing? We would want that? Can 173 00:07:49,639 --> 00:07:51,519 I tell you? I kind of believe the same thing. 174 00:07:51,639 --> 00:07:53,040 We may see it early, I don't know, in the 175 00:07:53,079 --> 00:07:56,160 first minute. Certainly the Haggler Herne standard is the is 176 00:07:56,160 --> 00:07:59,439 the stratosphere. But we may see fireworks and bombs in 177 00:07:59,480 --> 00:08:01,680 the first round. Yeah for this, So I'm. 178 00:08:01,560 --> 00:08:02,879 Speaker 1: Very well just the first few rounds. 179 00:08:02,839 --> 00:08:05,720 Speaker 2: How first couple of rounds? Uh right, So I'm very 180 00:08:05,759 --> 00:08:08,319 interested when we do that bet us show coming up 181 00:08:08,439 --> 00:08:10,639 ten Pacific by the way, one a one pm Eastern 182 00:08:10,680 --> 00:08:13,240 ten am Pacific on Friday. Which way you're gonna go? 183 00:08:13,639 --> 00:08:15,720 And I don't I know that this is just your 184 00:08:15,759 --> 00:08:16,920 you're contemplating what to do. 185 00:08:16,879 --> 00:08:20,279 Speaker 1: With you You asked me about what about other big opportunities, 186 00:08:20,439 --> 00:08:24,240 you know? With with the winner of the rematch between 187 00:08:25,240 --> 00:08:27,399 Arthur Better BVM Dmitri Bible, they fight the rematch for 188 00:08:27,439 --> 00:08:31,160 the undisputed title that Better has for the undisputed title 189 00:08:31,319 --> 00:08:33,759 uh in Saudi Arabia. Now, first I must say one thing. 190 00:08:33,799 --> 00:08:36,399 I love the matchup between Dnavides and Morrell, but I 191 00:08:36,440 --> 00:08:38,639 got to keep it real. I can't stand the fact 192 00:08:38,679 --> 00:08:41,120 that this is for these two quasi bullshit belts. Okay, 193 00:08:41,679 --> 00:08:44,120 it's a great matchup between undefeated, top fighters in the 194 00:08:44,159 --> 00:08:46,799 Way class who have been exciting and been involved in 195 00:08:46,960 --> 00:08:49,399 you know, higher profile kinds of fights. But the fact 196 00:08:49,440 --> 00:08:51,480 that there's a boxing match it's going to take place, 197 00:08:51,879 --> 00:08:56,000 and that David Benavidez is defending the WBC Intern title 198 00:08:56,679 --> 00:08:59,720 and morell Isfen the w Regular title. So it's a 199 00:08:59,759 --> 00:09:03,480 fun internal and regular unification, which is complete, utter fucking 200 00:09:03,519 --> 00:09:06,559 nonsense because there's only one real champion in the Way class, 201 00:09:06,559 --> 00:09:10,320 and even the fighters acknowledge that that Arthur Better is 202 00:09:10,320 --> 00:09:12,960 the undisputed champion of the world. He has all four 203 00:09:13,000 --> 00:09:16,120 reel belts, he's got ring belt, he's the lineal champion, 204 00:09:16,159 --> 00:09:19,440 like there isn't any other way that you can not 205 00:09:19,639 --> 00:09:22,120 view him as the actual champion and the light class. 206 00:09:22,159 --> 00:09:25,519 He's coming off the win close fine against people who 207 00:09:26,120 --> 00:09:29,159 was clearly the other best guy, undefeated had the other belt. 208 00:09:29,360 --> 00:09:33,200 So this is in my mind, you know, it's yeah, okay, 209 00:09:33,240 --> 00:09:36,159 they've got their belts, fine, But the reality in the 210 00:09:36,200 --> 00:09:41,080 world that's that's not fantasy sanctioning body nonsense. This is 211 00:09:41,120 --> 00:09:45,879 in essence the eliminator to determine the people's mandatory to 212 00:09:46,039 --> 00:09:48,960 be the winner to fight the winner of the undisputed fight, 213 00:09:49,080 --> 00:09:51,600 because whoever emerges from that fight against the winner in 214 00:09:51,600 --> 00:09:53,279 this fight obviously is a huge deal. Now I can't 215 00:09:53,320 --> 00:09:55,919 speak for the Merle situation, but certainly in terms of 216 00:09:55,960 --> 00:09:58,720 David dennevite Is, he is the winner. Turkey Alshik has 217 00:09:58,720 --> 00:10:01,279 already stated publicly that he would love to match the 218 00:10:01,320 --> 00:10:05,440 winner of that a rematch between the better Bible and 219 00:10:05,440 --> 00:10:08,000 People fight against David Benavitez, who he likes and finds 220 00:10:08,039 --> 00:10:10,960 exciting and I think they can do business together and 221 00:10:11,000 --> 00:10:13,000 all that so, and maybe will be the same for 222 00:10:13,120 --> 00:10:14,840 morel if he wins, maybe there'd be a rematch with 223 00:10:14,879 --> 00:10:18,120 Benevidez if that happens. But the point is qumongous stakes 224 00:10:18,320 --> 00:10:20,399 not only on Saturday for the two men who are 225 00:10:20,440 --> 00:10:23,480 going to do battle, but for the winner it means 226 00:10:23,480 --> 00:10:25,559 a whole lot more because the possibility that they'll get 227 00:10:25,559 --> 00:10:28,159 that shot, and I believe that it's really strong, possibly 228 00:10:28,200 --> 00:10:30,840 because it's not just Turkey waves as one and says 229 00:10:30,879 --> 00:10:33,559 I want to make the match. They've already been announced. 230 00:10:33,559 --> 00:10:36,320 The winner is the WBC mandatory, and by virtue of 231 00:10:36,440 --> 00:10:39,279 having the WBA regular, that means that fighter is going 232 00:10:39,320 --> 00:10:41,600 to be the mandatory in the WBA also, So that 233 00:10:41,759 --> 00:10:45,279 is a no. And there's not some other mega fight 234 00:10:45,320 --> 00:10:47,440 in the light heavyweight to division they go that would 235 00:10:47,480 --> 00:10:50,519 make sense, the only one that could kind of get 236 00:10:50,519 --> 00:10:52,639 in the way that maybe, and I'm not so sure 237 00:10:52,679 --> 00:10:56,000 if they'll do it, but possibly, depending on what happens 238 00:10:56,039 --> 00:10:59,320 February twenty second. If Bevill avenges the loss, now they're 239 00:10:59,320 --> 00:11:01,559 one and one in a pair of good close fights, 240 00:11:01,720 --> 00:11:03,519 maybe there'd be some kind of movement for a third 241 00:11:03,559 --> 00:11:05,759 fight between them. I can't, you know, say for sure. 242 00:11:06,159 --> 00:11:08,360 I actually hope there wouldn't be a third fight immediately. 243 00:11:08,399 --> 00:11:10,759 I'd like to see. I'm all for a trilogy, fine 244 00:11:10,799 --> 00:11:13,440 if that's what un folds, but let them go their 245 00:11:13,480 --> 00:11:16,600 separate way for one fight, two fights, whatever, and then reconvene. 246 00:11:16,799 --> 00:11:19,679 But the point is humongous steaks, great match up on paper, 247 00:11:19,960 --> 00:11:21,799 lots of steak, lots of steak, you know, in the 248 00:11:21,799 --> 00:11:23,480 future for the winner for a big fight that's sent 249 00:11:23,639 --> 00:11:25,519 right there for the winner to grab. 250 00:11:25,720 --> 00:11:28,919 Speaker 2: All right, And there's also an intriguing co feature fight. 251 00:11:29,000 --> 00:11:31,320 Let's get into that right now here on the preview, 252 00:11:31,399 --> 00:11:34,960 and that is Brandon Figueroa and Steven Fulton. And you 253 00:11:35,000 --> 00:11:37,799 talk about not an immediate rematch. We've had to wait 254 00:11:38,159 --> 00:11:42,039 basically three years two or halfish, yeah, more than three 255 00:11:42,080 --> 00:11:44,440 years now at this point for this thing to get 256 00:11:44,440 --> 00:11:47,759 scheduled and to happen. They fought a tremendous fight what 257 00:11:47,879 --> 00:11:51,200 November of twenty twenty one. Now they're back in front 258 00:11:51,240 --> 00:11:54,919 of each other at featherweight here for the WBC featherweight 259 00:11:54,960 --> 00:11:58,279 title that Figaroa owns. You love this line. There's not 260 00:11:58,360 --> 00:12:00,600 a lot of mystery here. You could do this in 261 00:12:00,679 --> 00:12:03,519 a bathtub. You could do this in my kitchen, which 262 00:12:03,559 --> 00:12:06,799 ain't that big. I mean there's I mean, Figaroa really 263 00:12:06,799 --> 00:12:09,440 fights one way, Get up in the kitchen, get on you, 264 00:12:09,519 --> 00:12:12,159 and let's see what you have. And Fulton edged him 265 00:12:12,159 --> 00:12:15,559 out the last time. I'm I'm as intrigued by the 266 00:12:15,559 --> 00:12:17,720 co feature, Dan, what are your thoughts you we're around 267 00:12:17,720 --> 00:12:18,600 the fighters Thursday. 268 00:12:19,039 --> 00:12:20,799 Speaker 1: They couldn't fight in my kitchen because we have a 269 00:12:20,799 --> 00:12:22,000 pretty big kitchen in our house. 270 00:12:22,000 --> 00:12:24,960 Speaker 2: But anyway, I notice I've never been invited for a meal, 271 00:12:25,039 --> 00:12:27,080 so I can't testify. I'll take your word for it. 272 00:12:27,080 --> 00:12:29,000 Speaker 1: Go oh, you've never been in the Northern Virginia area. 273 00:12:29,039 --> 00:12:30,559 If you're up here, you can You're certainly come in. 274 00:12:31,039 --> 00:12:32,639 Speaker 2: All right, you'll come into the kitchen. I'll come into 275 00:12:32,679 --> 00:12:33,080 your kitchen. 276 00:12:33,120 --> 00:12:35,519 Speaker 1: Go ahead. So yeah, that first fight, that was back 277 00:12:35,559 --> 00:12:37,200 when they were one hundred and twenty two pound fighters, 278 00:12:37,480 --> 00:12:39,559 and they both had belts and they fought up back 279 00:12:39,639 --> 00:12:41,559 in the day on showtime. This is like you said, 280 00:12:41,600 --> 00:12:43,159 about three and a half years ago, and it was 281 00:12:43,200 --> 00:12:45,399 a super close fight. It was an outstanding fight. A 282 00:12:45,440 --> 00:12:48,000 lot of people had it in their top few considerations 283 00:12:48,039 --> 00:12:50,240 for fight of the Year of twenty twenty one. And 284 00:12:50,360 --> 00:12:52,720 in the end it was Stephen Fulton who won a 285 00:12:52,840 --> 00:12:56,799 majority decision and unified the two belts, the WBC and 286 00:12:56,840 --> 00:13:00,320 the WBO at one twenty two. And you know that 287 00:13:00,519 --> 00:13:02,840 though their careers have kind of been on a little 288 00:13:02,879 --> 00:13:05,799 bit of a different track. Let's say they've first of all, 289 00:13:05,799 --> 00:13:08,639 they've both been ridiculously inactive they've only had three fights 290 00:13:08,639 --> 00:13:11,279 a piece since twenty twenty one, and that doesn't cut 291 00:13:11,320 --> 00:13:15,200 it at as a top fighter unfortunately. So Fulton went on. 292 00:13:15,320 --> 00:13:17,639 He defended the title against Danny Roman, who was obviously 293 00:13:17,720 --> 00:13:19,639 a unified champion at one point in one of the 294 00:13:19,679 --> 00:13:21,720 top guys in the division, and he won going away 295 00:13:21,720 --> 00:13:24,200 a shutout. That was in June of twenty twenty two. 296 00:13:24,559 --> 00:13:27,919 Now he's off for thirteen months and he takes the 297 00:13:28,000 --> 00:13:30,639 belts and he goes to Japan to defend against the 298 00:13:30,679 --> 00:13:33,080 monster Noill in a way, and he gets absolutely pummeled. 299 00:13:33,080 --> 00:13:34,840 They knocked out in the eight round, loses the titles 300 00:13:35,120 --> 00:13:37,120 and you know, didn't even compete. And that was, frankly 301 00:13:37,159 --> 00:13:39,279 a fight where even though in a way was the favorite, 302 00:13:39,399 --> 00:13:40,879 there was a lot of people that were like, you know, 303 00:13:41,200 --> 00:13:43,200 Fulton's gonna give him in trouble. He's a alwa He's 304 00:13:43,240 --> 00:13:45,399 never seen a good boxer and a guy with that 305 00:13:45,519 --> 00:13:47,919 kind of IQ and that kind of you know, all 306 00:13:48,000 --> 00:13:50,840 around game that the Fulton had displayed and in a 307 00:13:50,879 --> 00:13:53,279 way absolutely ruined him, just destroyed him and pummeled him. 308 00:13:53,679 --> 00:13:55,759 He took a long time off. He came back fourteen 309 00:13:55,840 --> 00:13:58,559 months later and he fought and moved up the featherweight 310 00:13:59,039 --> 00:14:01,639 and he fought a carl Castro, and he looked bad 311 00:14:01,679 --> 00:14:03,679 in that fight, and he I think he'll admit that 312 00:14:04,080 --> 00:14:06,480 he won barely, barely barely first of all, got knocked 313 00:14:06,519 --> 00:14:09,159 down in the fifth round, barely won a split decision, 314 00:14:09,639 --> 00:14:12,200 and off that fight in June, rather in September of 315 00:14:12,320 --> 00:14:14,879 last year. He goes in this fight against Figueroa. Now, 316 00:14:15,000 --> 00:14:16,679 if you take a look what Fiot has done, he 317 00:14:16,799 --> 00:14:19,600 lost the majority decision to Fulton the first time round 318 00:14:19,639 --> 00:14:22,080 super close, though could definitely argue he won in his 319 00:14:22,240 --> 00:14:25,000 next fight. He came back in July of twenty two 320 00:14:25,080 --> 00:14:27,519 and what would he do TJ He knocked out Carlos 321 00:14:27,600 --> 00:14:30,799 Castro's common opponent in round number six, and then he 322 00:14:30,879 --> 00:14:34,080 scored two pretty solid victories. He beat Mark Magsaia, who 323 00:14:34,120 --> 00:14:37,000 had a period for a brief period was the WBC's 324 00:14:37,320 --> 00:14:40,240 featherweight champion. That was their fight for the interim title, 325 00:14:40,720 --> 00:14:43,399 and then he knocked out Jesse Magdaleno, also a former 326 00:14:43,440 --> 00:14:45,639 title er, in one hundred I believe twenty two pound 327 00:14:45,679 --> 00:14:49,279 way class and those are solid victories for him. Ray 328 00:14:49,360 --> 00:14:51,240 Vargas had been the champion, but he ended up as 329 00:14:51,240 --> 00:14:52,919 an in recess. He had injuries and this and that, 330 00:14:53,639 --> 00:14:56,639 and he became the full title. So now he's the 331 00:14:56,720 --> 00:14:58,200 champion going into the fight, but he's also the guy 332 00:14:58,279 --> 00:15:00,440 looking for the revenge. They've been talking to good game, 333 00:15:00,600 --> 00:15:02,919 they've been promising in the press conference. They're much more 334 00:15:02,960 --> 00:15:05,720 good nature with each other than Benavide's and Mell, who 335 00:15:05,720 --> 00:15:07,919 obviously don't care for one another. I think these guys 336 00:15:07,960 --> 00:15:09,559 have a lot of respect for each other, even though 337 00:15:09,600 --> 00:15:11,879 they're both very amped up to win the fight, and 338 00:15:12,000 --> 00:15:15,279 both of them are confident, you know. I think this 339 00:15:15,480 --> 00:15:18,200 is one of the better co features on these PBC 340 00:15:18,399 --> 00:15:20,559 pay per views we've seen. I think they've done a 341 00:15:20,639 --> 00:15:22,399 good job with their pay per views, but for co 342 00:15:22,559 --> 00:15:24,799 feature perspective, while a lot of the fights have been excellent, 343 00:15:25,039 --> 00:15:27,799 this is I think this is even better. In my mind, 344 00:15:27,840 --> 00:15:29,559 this is about as good as you can ask for 345 00:15:29,960 --> 00:15:32,159 from PBC in terms of a co feature. A lot 346 00:15:32,200 --> 00:15:36,559 of stakes, good backstory, two excellent fighters too, kind of 347 00:15:36,600 --> 00:15:39,919 different style fighters. Again, I think it's going to be 348 00:15:39,960 --> 00:15:40,639 a really good fight. 349 00:15:41,120 --> 00:15:44,480 Speaker 2: And in Figueroa's case, he's been chasing this literally three 350 00:15:44,600 --> 00:15:48,519 years now. He wants that revenge. He believes he was 351 00:15:48,639 --> 00:15:51,480 robbed of that decision, that majority decision loss back in 352 00:15:51,519 --> 00:15:54,200 November of twenty twenty one. Let's see if he can 353 00:15:54,320 --> 00:15:58,639 get that revenge come a Saturday night in a game. 354 00:15:58,679 --> 00:16:01,720 We'll handicap this further on the at US show. This fight, 355 00:16:01,919 --> 00:16:04,759 which is basically a fifty to fifty fight. Here, we 356 00:16:04,919 --> 00:16:08,080 got Fulton out of Philadelphia and he still got something 357 00:16:08,120 --> 00:16:10,000 to prove as well. I'm just saying this because the 358 00:16:10,080 --> 00:16:13,240 Monster blasted him out in two fights ago, as you 359 00:16:13,320 --> 00:16:15,799 made mention of, Figarola hasn't had a loss like that 360 00:16:15,919 --> 00:16:17,840 since they last fought. So now let's see. 361 00:16:18,759 --> 00:16:20,399 Speaker 1: I think Fulton's been talking a little bit about and 362 00:16:20,399 --> 00:16:22,000 I don't know how much it will actually play into 363 00:16:22,000 --> 00:16:24,639 the actual fight, but maybe for his own mentalities own 364 00:16:24,639 --> 00:16:27,600 confidence is he now has among his normal training team 365 00:16:27,759 --> 00:16:29,639 they brought in to help him out Bozannis, who was 366 00:16:29,679 --> 00:16:31,919 the trainer for Jeron Enna. So he was talking quite 367 00:16:31,919 --> 00:16:34,360 a bit about that and what he's meant to their 368 00:16:34,440 --> 00:16:36,000 camp and how good it's been to have him along 369 00:16:36,039 --> 00:16:39,399 with his other guys than game. So he feels good 370 00:16:39,399 --> 00:16:42,200 about that. And look, you got these are two of 371 00:16:42,240 --> 00:16:44,879 the better fighters you know around in the division. Whenever 372 00:16:44,879 --> 00:16:48,200 you think about the last performance from Fulton, really good fight, 373 00:16:48,559 --> 00:16:49,200 really good fight. 374 00:16:49,559 --> 00:16:51,960 Speaker 2: Look forward to that all right, real quick. Two other 375 00:16:52,080 --> 00:16:54,320 fights that are on the PBC on Prime pay per 376 00:16:54,399 --> 00:16:56,799 view again, our friends at PPV dot com are offering 377 00:16:56,840 --> 00:16:59,080 it up. We suggest you use them. Give me the 378 00:16:59,159 --> 00:17:02,039 latest you were round but the undercard press conference. Give 379 00:17:02,080 --> 00:17:05,680 me the latest on Isaac Pittbull Cruise is back as 380 00:17:05,759 --> 00:17:09,240 well as Jesus Ramos is back as well. Tell me 381 00:17:09,319 --> 00:17:11,000 more about those fights on the under card real quick. 382 00:17:11,079 --> 00:17:13,680 Speaker 1: So Pitbull Cruise, you know, as you know, in his 383 00:17:13,799 --> 00:17:16,119 most recent fight on August third, that was the same 384 00:17:16,160 --> 00:17:19,440 card where Morel had his like heavyweight debut against Harod 385 00:17:20,000 --> 00:17:23,000 he lost his world title at one hundred and forty 386 00:17:23,000 --> 00:17:25,400 pounds by a split decision to Jose Vealezuela in a 387 00:17:25,400 --> 00:17:27,480 big upset. You know, it was a close fight, but 388 00:17:27,599 --> 00:17:30,039 you know he didn't get to win. And so this 389 00:17:30,200 --> 00:17:32,559 is his return. Then he's fighting Angel Fierro, who may 390 00:17:32,640 --> 00:17:34,440 not be at the level where you know hi from 391 00:17:34,480 --> 00:17:36,359 world championship fights and that sort of thing, but he's 392 00:17:36,400 --> 00:17:38,319 been on a number of TV fights, got a good record. 393 00:17:38,599 --> 00:17:40,559 He's twenty three and two with two draws. Mostly by 394 00:17:40,680 --> 00:17:43,039 knockout and he makes fun fights and so this is 395 00:17:43,119 --> 00:17:45,920 like the all Mexican kind of clash. And while of 396 00:17:46,000 --> 00:17:48,480 course Pitbull will be the favorite, I wouldn't be surprised 397 00:17:48,480 --> 00:17:51,000 if Fierra wins. He's a solid quality guy and in 398 00:17:51,039 --> 00:17:52,640 the ring with some good opponents. You know, he's won 399 00:17:52,680 --> 00:17:54,880 a few. Like I said, he's low lost, you know, 400 00:17:54,960 --> 00:17:57,319 to the two fights never been stopped before. And I'm 401 00:17:57,319 --> 00:17:58,720 gonna tell you when they did the stand when they 402 00:17:58,720 --> 00:18:01,279 did the face off after the New conference, uh, and 403 00:18:01,319 --> 00:18:03,359 they got there, you know, back in front of each other. 404 00:18:04,079 --> 00:18:07,200 It was one of the longer staredowns. Like Tom Brown, 405 00:18:07,240 --> 00:18:10,799 who was the TGB Promotions promoter, was trying to like, okay, guys, 406 00:18:10,839 --> 00:18:12,880 we're good and Pitbull and then and then one of 407 00:18:12,920 --> 00:18:15,519 the pr folks asking them to turn and face the 408 00:18:16,079 --> 00:18:17,640 you know, they were facing each other, asking the turn 409 00:18:17,720 --> 00:18:20,079 to face the audience so the photographers could get a 410 00:18:20,119 --> 00:18:22,720 picture of them facing against you know, towards the photo 411 00:18:23,240 --> 00:18:27,519 photo guys and Pipple wouldn't break the stair either. With Farra, 412 00:18:27,680 --> 00:18:30,480 pit Bull was looking right at him and it was 413 00:18:30,519 --> 00:18:34,519 a long, long, long, long, long. 414 00:18:34,599 --> 00:18:37,200 Speaker 2: Kind of like when Ray was at the front desk 415 00:18:37,240 --> 00:18:38,920 at the hotel in Vegas, and they were trying to 416 00:18:38,960 --> 00:18:40,480 tell you your room wasn't ready yet, and you just 417 00:18:40,599 --> 00:18:42,880 keep standing and staring and giving that glare that I 418 00:18:42,960 --> 00:18:44,400 get from time. I understand. 419 00:18:44,480 --> 00:18:46,119 Speaker 1: Yeah, I'm not like that. I'm pretty cool. 420 00:18:46,119 --> 00:18:48,240 Speaker 2: We're having fun with you. I'm having fun. 421 00:18:48,400 --> 00:18:49,960 Speaker 1: People to think I'm a dick when I travel on 422 00:18:52,119 --> 00:18:54,400 my crops to my friends at the MGM, because Rifuel 423 00:18:54,519 --> 00:18:57,160 rolled in the town, went right to the Gold Lounge 424 00:18:57,200 --> 00:19:00,960 and got my room at likes. I know people you know, 425 00:19:01,119 --> 00:19:02,039 but I know you know people. 426 00:19:02,119 --> 00:19:04,799 Speaker 2: I so pitt Bull and Fierro and also Hazes good 427 00:19:04,880 --> 00:19:07,920 fight Ramos as well in the middleweight division is on 428 00:19:08,000 --> 00:19:09,000 this undercard a little more. 429 00:19:09,240 --> 00:19:16,599 Speaker 1: Real quick So Ramos against Ramos against against Rosario is 430 00:19:17,480 --> 00:19:19,799 like I think Fierro and Cruz has a chance to 431 00:19:19,839 --> 00:19:22,039 be a really good, fun, exciting fight. Two Mexican guys 432 00:19:22,079 --> 00:19:23,799 are going to bang it out. We already talked about 433 00:19:23,799 --> 00:19:26,400 what we think about the uh the the two main 434 00:19:26,839 --> 00:19:28,400 title bouts. You know, in the top two fights of 435 00:19:28,480 --> 00:19:32,039 the car Ramos against Rosario, I feel like is a 436 00:19:32,079 --> 00:19:35,680 little more of mismatching. And I say that, Okay, Look 437 00:19:36,640 --> 00:19:40,000 when when Ramos lost. It was a very close fight 438 00:19:40,039 --> 00:19:42,599 against Ericson Lubin. This was back in September of twenty 439 00:19:42,720 --> 00:19:44,519 twenty three. I thought he got ripped off of that fight. 440 00:19:44,559 --> 00:19:46,799 Speaker 2: I think most people did the boot I thought. I 441 00:19:47,319 --> 00:19:50,359 still remember the booing in the arena when that decision 442 00:19:50,359 --> 00:19:50,839 was announced. 443 00:19:50,880 --> 00:19:52,880 Speaker 1: That was just not a good decision my opinion. Nothing 444 00:19:52,920 --> 00:19:54,720 against Lubin. He's a good fighter also, but I just 445 00:19:54,759 --> 00:19:56,480 felt like, you know, he got beat that night. Okay, 446 00:19:56,839 --> 00:19:59,160 So he came back. He fought in May, he got 447 00:19:59,160 --> 00:20:01,079 a ninth front knock against a very experienced fighter in 448 00:20:01,119 --> 00:20:03,240 Johan Gonzalaz, and now he's coming back against Rozaria. He's 449 00:20:03,240 --> 00:20:05,160 trying to rebuild himself a little bit. This is now 450 00:20:05,279 --> 00:20:07,400 going to be a fight at middleweight, not at junior 451 00:20:07,440 --> 00:20:09,599 middle where he has been his whole career. So he's 452 00:20:09,640 --> 00:20:12,640 taking on Rosario now. Rosario is a guy who's got 453 00:20:12,720 --> 00:20:15,359 excellent punching power and who's fought a lot of top guys, 454 00:20:15,720 --> 00:20:17,839 and he's been a unified champion at one hundred and 455 00:20:17,839 --> 00:20:20,039 fifty four and was retired for a bit for a 456 00:20:20,079 --> 00:20:24,400 brief period of time, coming off actually a split decision 457 00:20:24,559 --> 00:20:27,960 draw against Jared Hurd, who was a former champion at 458 00:20:28,000 --> 00:20:30,559 junior Middlewaight also at a long time PC fighter. They 459 00:20:30,559 --> 00:20:33,519 actually had that fight on a probox card. Anyway, Rosario 460 00:20:33,759 --> 00:20:36,079 does not have a good chin, flat out, He's been 461 00:20:36,079 --> 00:20:38,480 stopped all four of his losses. He just cannot take 462 00:20:38,519 --> 00:20:41,119 the heat. So and he's also a bit older now. 463 00:20:41,440 --> 00:20:44,720 He seems like he's renewed. He spoke well, he seemed enthusiastic. 464 00:20:44,799 --> 00:20:47,279 You know, no bad body language that I could since. 465 00:20:47,559 --> 00:20:49,839 But I just feel like a guy like that that's 466 00:20:49,880 --> 00:20:52,359 already been in retirement, that's Scott, those types of losses, 467 00:20:53,400 --> 00:20:55,839 that has never been able to take a shot against 468 00:20:55,839 --> 00:20:57,720 a guy like Romos, who's quite a bit younger. You 469 00:20:57,799 --> 00:20:59,559 know Rosaria enough that he's an old man, but he's 470 00:20:59,559 --> 00:21:01,319 twenty nine, and you know, Ramos is still in his 471 00:21:01,359 --> 00:21:04,000 early twenties to my recollection, and I just feel like 472 00:21:04,039 --> 00:21:06,519 this fight is made to order for Ramos. You know what, Zero, 473 00:21:06,559 --> 00:21:09,200 maybe we'll hang in, but in the end, I think Ramos, 474 00:21:09,880 --> 00:21:12,359 you know you're going to see him show why now 475 00:21:12,440 --> 00:21:14,319 he's a new guy to pay attention to at middleweight 476 00:21:14,400 --> 00:21:16,880 that he's moving off because you know, by the opinion 477 00:21:16,880 --> 00:21:19,359 of most people, they deserve the loss of germanillweight against limit. 478 00:21:19,839 --> 00:21:23,079 So you know it'll maybe be fireworks, but I think 479 00:21:23,119 --> 00:21:24,920 in the end it's very clear who's winning the fight, 480 00:21:25,039 --> 00:21:27,680 you know on pap anyway, love. 481 00:21:27,599 --> 00:21:31,519 Speaker 2: That and again that's coming in the PBC Prime PBC 482 00:21:31,680 --> 00:21:33,880 on Prime undercard of the paper. Let's find out more 483 00:21:34,839 --> 00:21:37,559 from our sponsor here about this card and how you 484 00:21:37,680 --> 00:21:39,759 can see it. Let's do that right now as the 485 00:21:39,839 --> 00:21:43,480 pod continues as promised, we're going to tell you more 486 00:21:43,519 --> 00:21:46,079 about one of our sponsors. He's back. Has it really 487 00:21:46,200 --> 00:21:48,599 been since last year? Well, it hasn't been that long 488 00:21:48,960 --> 00:21:51,880 this year because we've only hit the first weekend in 489 00:21:51,920 --> 00:21:55,799 February this weekend to talk about PPV dot Com and 490 00:21:56,039 --> 00:22:01,279 this upcoming David Benavidez David Morrell light Heavyweight showdown that 491 00:22:01,440 --> 00:22:05,200 headlines the PBC on Prime card. Hello mart Burcardi from 492 00:22:05,240 --> 00:22:08,480 PPV dot Com. Good to have you back here on 493 00:22:08,720 --> 00:22:12,759 the Big Fight weekend preview as okay, let's get it 494 00:22:12,920 --> 00:22:15,839 rolling here with PBC on Prime in this pay per view. 495 00:22:15,880 --> 00:22:16,720 Good to have you back. 496 00:22:17,319 --> 00:22:18,960 Speaker 3: Yeah, thank you. It feels like it's been a while. 497 00:22:19,039 --> 00:22:21,119 It's been too long. Regardless of how long it's been, 498 00:22:21,480 --> 00:22:24,079 so good to be with you and yeah, this is 499 00:22:24,640 --> 00:22:27,200 this is a great fight, right, and you know, I'll 500 00:22:27,240 --> 00:22:30,200 start with this quick anecdote. We had a promoter come 501 00:22:30,279 --> 00:22:33,559 into our offices a long time ago, but I think 502 00:22:33,599 --> 00:22:34,400 this still carries through. 503 00:22:34,440 --> 00:22:35,359 Speaker 1: It's about ten years ago. 504 00:22:35,559 --> 00:22:38,440 Speaker 3: They did a big focus group research study of what 505 00:22:38,680 --> 00:22:42,000 makes for the best pay per view events, best main 506 00:22:42,079 --> 00:22:44,480 events in a big pay per view event, and the 507 00:22:44,640 --> 00:22:47,039 number one reason that fans responded to them about why 508 00:22:47,079 --> 00:22:49,559 they buy a pay per view event is grudge match. 509 00:22:50,640 --> 00:22:53,079 And find me a fight recently that has had as 510 00:22:53,160 --> 00:22:56,839 much of a grudge match as this one, so we 511 00:22:57,440 --> 00:22:58,519 expect some fireworks. 512 00:22:58,720 --> 00:23:01,519 Speaker 2: Yeah, these two genuine I think, don't like each other. 513 00:23:01,599 --> 00:23:04,680 They're both undefeated, they're both hungry. Neither one of them, 514 00:23:04,839 --> 00:23:08,279 Mark Benavitas or Morell could get their hands on Canelo Alvarez, 515 00:23:08,359 --> 00:23:10,519 so they move up to light heavyweight and decide to 516 00:23:10,559 --> 00:23:13,880 get their hands on each other, and in particular, Bena 517 00:23:13,960 --> 00:23:17,720 Vitez has already headlined a couple of times against Caleb Plant, 518 00:23:18,079 --> 00:23:21,440 Demetrius Andrede on pay per view with with with big wins, 519 00:23:22,519 --> 00:23:25,839 So this has been interesting as it has built up 520 00:23:25,920 --> 00:23:28,240 this week now headed into this weekend between these two guys, 521 00:23:28,279 --> 00:23:30,359 and I don't think it's an exaggeration that we may 522 00:23:30,400 --> 00:23:33,400 see fireworks immediately in this thing. Do you agree with that? 523 00:23:33,720 --> 00:23:33,920 Speaker 1: Yeah? 524 00:23:34,000 --> 00:23:35,599 Speaker 3: No, I absolutely agree with it. And it's nice that 525 00:23:35,680 --> 00:23:38,920 the unintended consequence of both of them not getting the 526 00:23:38,960 --> 00:23:40,880 Canelo fight is they fight each other. 527 00:23:41,000 --> 00:23:42,440 Speaker 2: Yeah, that's correct, which is. 528 00:23:42,440 --> 00:23:44,839 Speaker 3: What we're gonna get. So so yeah, no, I agree. 529 00:23:44,880 --> 00:23:47,920 I do expect fireworks right away. It's a fifty to 530 00:23:47,960 --> 00:23:50,519 fifty fight, right and I'm trying to think back, you know, 531 00:23:50,519 --> 00:23:52,119 when the last time we've had a real fifty to 532 00:23:52,119 --> 00:23:52,960 fifty fight head. 533 00:23:52,920 --> 00:23:53,880 Speaker 1: Run of a interview. 534 00:23:54,359 --> 00:23:57,039 Speaker 3: So yeah, no, I agree, fireworks from the get go. 535 00:23:57,240 --> 00:23:58,640 Let's get it on well. 536 00:23:58,759 --> 00:24:02,079 Speaker 2: And in the case of what a story Cuban born, 537 00:24:02,359 --> 00:24:05,119 his adopted home is Minnesota. I've always said, if you're 538 00:24:05,160 --> 00:24:08,160 going to relocate from the balmy weather of Cuba or Florida, 539 00:24:08,160 --> 00:24:09,640 you might as well go to Minnesota in the Great 540 00:24:09,640 --> 00:24:13,119 White North. So he's had some main event opportunities on 541 00:24:13,319 --> 00:24:18,920 PBC shows in Minnesota. Obviously we know about him in 542 00:24:19,079 --> 00:24:22,759 terms of the podcast audience here that's listening to us 543 00:24:22,880 --> 00:24:26,039 or big time fight fans, but the casual sports fan 544 00:24:26,240 --> 00:24:28,240 or the casual boxing fan. The big sports fan is 545 00:24:28,279 --> 00:24:30,039 the casual box fan. They may not know a lot 546 00:24:30,079 --> 00:24:32,799 about David Morell, but the guy could punch. He's got 547 00:24:32,839 --> 00:24:36,920 a Cuban amateur background, and this is intriguing to see 548 00:24:36,920 --> 00:24:38,200 what he can do on the biggest stage. 549 00:24:38,279 --> 00:24:38,599 Speaker 1: Morell. 550 00:24:38,839 --> 00:24:42,119 Speaker 3: Oh absolutely, and if you are a boxing fan, even 551 00:24:42,160 --> 00:24:45,119 a casual boxing fan, this is a fight that you 552 00:24:45,160 --> 00:24:45,680 want to see. 553 00:24:46,000 --> 00:24:46,559 Speaker 1: It really is. 554 00:24:46,759 --> 00:24:50,079 Speaker 3: I mean, like we said before, fifty to fifty stylistic matchup. 555 00:24:50,400 --> 00:24:51,359 It's a great matchup. 556 00:24:51,480 --> 00:24:51,599 Speaker 1: Right. 557 00:24:51,680 --> 00:24:55,119 Speaker 3: You've got this, this straightforward puncher against a guy who's 558 00:24:55,359 --> 00:24:58,359 a little more finesse, and you know, it checks. It 559 00:24:58,440 --> 00:25:00,240 really does. Can go down the list of what makes 560 00:25:00,279 --> 00:25:03,640 a great fight. This one checks every box. So I 561 00:25:03,759 --> 00:25:05,880 agree that the stories behind these guys make this an 562 00:25:05,920 --> 00:25:08,000 even more compelling reason to tune in. 563 00:25:08,279 --> 00:25:11,640 Speaker 2: And you've got two of the organizations at light heavyweight. 564 00:25:11,960 --> 00:25:15,640 It's essentially the interim WBC title, and it is also 565 00:25:15,759 --> 00:25:19,559 the regular WBA title, which means when the rematch happens 566 00:25:19,599 --> 00:25:22,240 with the two Russians better BV and b Bowl, the 567 00:25:22,680 --> 00:25:25,079 winner would look the way of the winner of this fight. 568 00:25:25,200 --> 00:25:27,559 It kind of sets up in advance of those guys 569 00:25:27,720 --> 00:25:30,759 rematching later on in this month, another added element here. 570 00:25:31,119 --> 00:25:35,000 You got a big time, lucrative, worldwide interest showdown and 571 00:25:35,160 --> 00:25:36,960 payday coming up. If you win, if you've been a 572 00:25:37,039 --> 00:25:37,920 Vitasa morrel. 573 00:25:38,119 --> 00:25:40,119 Speaker 3: Yeah, you hit on that last checkbox. I was talking 574 00:25:40,119 --> 00:25:42,720 about this fight hitting every one of those my little 575 00:25:42,759 --> 00:25:45,799 list of notes that I have here, that's the last one. 576 00:25:45,880 --> 00:25:48,400 It's what the winner of this gets. And you're guaranteed 577 00:25:48,440 --> 00:25:50,440 to have a winner who's going to get a big 578 00:25:50,519 --> 00:25:52,599 fight next, which you don't always get, but in this 579 00:25:52,720 --> 00:25:53,160 case you do. 580 00:25:53,720 --> 00:25:57,039 Speaker 2: We like that and we love PPV dot Com Again 581 00:25:57,240 --> 00:25:59,960 for the fans, they're going to get a great interactive experience. 582 00:26:00,640 --> 00:26:03,759 I know the legendary Jim Lampley and Lance Pugmeyer are 583 00:26:03,839 --> 00:26:05,920 there in Vegas as we speak, getting ready to be 584 00:26:06,000 --> 00:26:08,960 part of this, and your guys Dankdobio and Chris Aljery 585 00:26:08,960 --> 00:26:12,039 who we always love, always love the content. They're all 586 00:26:12,119 --> 00:26:15,519 as part of Fight Weekend and the live pay per view, 587 00:26:15,640 --> 00:26:19,039 going to be interacting with fans as part of your 588 00:26:19,079 --> 00:26:21,759 specific service with PPV dot Com, elaborate a little more 589 00:26:21,759 --> 00:26:23,400 about what they're doing and having them involved. 590 00:26:23,440 --> 00:26:23,599 Speaker 1: Yeah. 591 00:26:23,599 --> 00:26:25,640 Speaker 3: Absolutely, we're going to have the full crew of guys 592 00:26:26,279 --> 00:26:29,000 on the chat during the event, so they're going to 593 00:26:29,039 --> 00:26:32,680 be ready to answer questions, give their commentary. Dan himself 594 00:26:32,880 --> 00:26:34,720 is going to be hopping over to the main broadcast 595 00:26:34,960 --> 00:26:37,400 where he's going to be doing a draft kings breakdown 596 00:26:37,920 --> 00:26:40,160 on the main feed of the event, and then he's 597 00:26:40,200 --> 00:26:41,920 going to pop back over to our chat, so he'll 598 00:26:41,960 --> 00:26:44,359 be back and forth. So you know, we got guys 599 00:26:44,400 --> 00:26:47,119 covering things from all different angles on the fight. So 600 00:26:47,279 --> 00:26:49,359 if you are a boxing fan, you want to get this, 601 00:26:49,559 --> 00:26:50,759 this is the place to buy it. 602 00:26:51,119 --> 00:26:53,599 Speaker 2: I can't tell you I've seen this at least two 603 00:26:53,759 --> 00:26:56,400 or three times where people in particular with Jim Lampley, 604 00:26:56,440 --> 00:27:00,559 such a legendary part of the soundtrack of big time 605 00:27:00,680 --> 00:27:03,400 fights really from the late eighties all the way into 606 00:27:03,440 --> 00:27:06,640 the late twenty tens, where your fans are interacting, going, 607 00:27:06,720 --> 00:27:08,640 this is really cool that I'm going back and forth 608 00:27:08,720 --> 00:27:11,799 with Jim Lampley while the fight's going on. That's another 609 00:27:11,880 --> 00:27:13,880 neat feature from PPV dot com. And here's the other 610 00:27:13,960 --> 00:27:16,400 thing that we keep emphasizing that you do not need 611 00:27:16,440 --> 00:27:19,039 a long term subscription here. It is a one off 612 00:27:19,119 --> 00:27:22,440 purchase opportunity. You buy what you want right. Elaborate on 613 00:27:22,599 --> 00:27:23,480 that with your service. 614 00:27:23,839 --> 00:27:25,839 Speaker 3: Yeah, it's not a long term subscription. In fact, it's 615 00:27:25,880 --> 00:27:28,119 not a subscription at all. It's buy what you want 616 00:27:28,400 --> 00:27:31,119 and move on. So we've got we already know we're 617 00:27:31,119 --> 00:27:33,799 going to have a couple big events this year, so 618 00:27:35,000 --> 00:27:38,960 you know, we're open for business for this weekend, come back, 619 00:27:39,440 --> 00:27:40,920 you know in a few weeks for the next big 620 00:27:40,960 --> 00:27:43,359 event a few weeks after that, and we got a 621 00:27:43,400 --> 00:27:45,559 bunch of things rolling out the next few months. 622 00:27:45,720 --> 00:27:48,519 Speaker 2: And that next event is the March first showdown with 623 00:27:48,640 --> 00:27:51,799 Tank Davis's return in twenty twenty five with Lamont Roach 624 00:27:52,480 --> 00:27:56,799 for lightweight unification. That's at the Barclay Center. That's on 625 00:27:56,960 --> 00:28:00,160 PPV dot com. That's March the first, and again is 626 00:28:00,279 --> 00:28:03,319 buy what you want if you want this Benavitas fight, 627 00:28:03,640 --> 00:28:05,759 but you're not interested in Tank and Roach. We hope 628 00:28:05,759 --> 00:28:07,920 you're interested in both. You don't have to have both. 629 00:28:08,200 --> 00:28:10,960 If you want the Tank and Roach fight again, we'd 630 00:28:11,000 --> 00:28:13,000 love to have you buy both. Don't hear me say 631 00:28:13,039 --> 00:28:15,359 that don't buy both. I'm just saying they can buy 632 00:28:15,440 --> 00:28:17,920 what they want, including the upcoming Tank Davis fight in 633 00:28:17,960 --> 00:28:18,319 New York. 634 00:28:18,759 --> 00:28:20,400 Speaker 3: That's right, we'd love to have you buy both. But 635 00:28:20,440 --> 00:28:21,880 if you buy one, it doesn't mean you have to 636 00:28:21,920 --> 00:28:25,599 buy the other. So the option is yours on PPV 637 00:28:25,720 --> 00:28:26,039 dot com. 638 00:28:26,079 --> 00:28:28,240 Speaker 2: As always love that And you got a big DC 639 00:28:28,440 --> 00:28:31,000 Baltimore rivalry with Roach and Davis. More on that at 640 00:28:31,039 --> 00:28:34,079 a later date. One more time it is Benavitas and 641 00:28:34,279 --> 00:28:37,640 Morrell and by the way, an outstanding co feature with 642 00:28:37,720 --> 00:28:40,359 Brandon Figueroa and Stephan full Do I get a pick 643 00:28:40,400 --> 00:28:43,200 out of you on Figaroa Fulton. It was such a 644 00:28:43,400 --> 00:28:46,039 close fight the first go around about two and a 645 00:28:46,079 --> 00:28:48,880 half years ago, and I joke all the time they 646 00:28:48,920 --> 00:28:51,599 could have fought the fight on a bathroom rug. They 647 00:28:51,720 --> 00:28:54,640 literally used up about three square feet and stood toe 648 00:28:54,720 --> 00:28:57,559 to toe and bomb each other for twelve rounds and 649 00:28:57,680 --> 00:28:59,640 Fulton got the nuro decision. That's going to be a 650 00:28:59,720 --> 00:29:01,960 very chaining co feature fight as part of this pay 651 00:29:02,000 --> 00:29:03,400 per view from PBC in Prime. 652 00:29:04,119 --> 00:29:07,319 Speaker 3: Yeah, So what I think we expect on this one 653 00:29:07,599 --> 00:29:10,240 is we're gonna have more people tuning in earlier just 654 00:29:10,319 --> 00:29:12,400 for that fight for that reason. You know, the last 655 00:29:12,440 --> 00:29:16,880 fight was so close, and you know, I've always been 656 00:29:17,039 --> 00:29:20,000 a figure out kind of guy, so uh huh, I'm 657 00:29:20,000 --> 00:29:23,240 gonna stick with him. But uh yeah, it's going to 658 00:29:23,279 --> 00:29:25,000 be a great lead up. I think to this main 659 00:29:25,039 --> 00:29:26,000 event no doubt. 660 00:29:26,039 --> 00:29:29,039 Speaker 2: And again it's figure rollas WBC Featherweight title that is 661 00:29:29,119 --> 00:29:32,359 on the line World Championship co feature than David Benavitez, 662 00:29:32,359 --> 00:29:34,519 the two David's and David Morrell in the main event 663 00:29:34,680 --> 00:29:39,240 PPV dot com. It is simple to sign up to 664 00:29:39,440 --> 00:29:42,039 make the purchase. It's a one off with no further obligation. 665 00:29:42,160 --> 00:29:44,519 Are you ready for the fights this weekend? Martin BOUCARDI 666 00:29:44,559 --> 00:29:45,720 are we good? Are we ready to go? 667 00:29:46,400 --> 00:29:48,240 Speaker 3: Let's do it. I'm ready to go. I could watch 668 00:29:48,319 --> 00:29:50,119 right now, so I can't wait till Saturday night. 669 00:29:50,359 --> 00:29:52,720 Speaker 2: We love it again, get with our friends at PPV 670 00:29:52,839 --> 00:29:55,400 dot com. Thank you Mark, you Bet, thank you TJ. 671 00:29:56,680 --> 00:29:57,200 Speaker 1: So there you go. 672 00:29:57,319 --> 00:29:59,839 Speaker 2: We've given you obviously a bunch on the PBC on 673 00:30:00,160 --> 00:30:02,359 Prime pay per view. But that is not all for 674 00:30:02,519 --> 00:30:06,000 this weekend. Let's talk about Saturday afternoon in the US, 675 00:30:06,039 --> 00:30:10,400 Saturday Night Primetime in the UK. The boxer card that 676 00:30:10,480 --> 00:30:12,960 will be on Peacock in the United States, Sky Sports 677 00:30:13,799 --> 00:30:18,519 over in England, adam Azeem junior welterweight contender and a 678 00:30:18,680 --> 00:30:22,960 veteran name that we know in Sergei Lippinets, So a 679 00:30:23,000 --> 00:30:26,839 little preview here of this because a Zeem obviously is 680 00:30:26,880 --> 00:30:30,000 angling for a title shot. Lipinets has been in with 681 00:30:30,119 --> 00:30:32,000 world champions before your thoughts, Dan. 682 00:30:33,680 --> 00:30:35,720 Speaker 1: I mean, Adam is Zeem is an excellent young fighter. 683 00:30:35,839 --> 00:30:37,799 I don't think he's even close to ready yet for 684 00:30:37,880 --> 00:30:41,240 a world title fight. He has been briefly the European champion. 685 00:30:41,319 --> 00:30:43,200 He gave up that title. He's only twelve to zero. 686 00:30:43,559 --> 00:30:45,480 He's got nine knockouts, He's only twenty two years old. 687 00:30:45,480 --> 00:30:49,480 He's got plenty of still improving, not I mean, I 688 00:30:49,559 --> 00:30:52,359 want to say improving, but honing his skills. He needs reps. 689 00:30:52,400 --> 00:30:54,359 He's a baby in this game. He has had no 690 00:30:54,480 --> 00:30:59,480 tough fights relatively speaking. He needs the more experience opponents. Lipinets, 691 00:31:00,000 --> 00:31:01,440 it was like the kind of guy that might be 692 00:31:01,480 --> 00:31:03,039 able to give him to a little bit. In his 693 00:31:03,160 --> 00:31:05,920 last fight, he scored what I would say was that 694 00:31:06,079 --> 00:31:10,200 question his biggest win. But do you consider O'Hara Davies 695 00:31:10,279 --> 00:31:12,079 that big of a win after he'd been iced in 696 00:31:12,240 --> 00:31:14,720 one round. So, you know, and they had work, they 697 00:31:14,720 --> 00:31:16,839 had spart together, they know each other, they were friendly, 698 00:31:16,920 --> 00:31:18,480 and he gave you know, O'Hara gave him like a 699 00:31:18,519 --> 00:31:22,079 reasonable fight, but but Adam Asim he dominated. Now he's, 700 00:31:22,119 --> 00:31:24,200 like I said, he's a younger fighter, he's developing a 701 00:31:24,279 --> 00:31:26,279 fan base. He's got a little swagger to him. He's 702 00:31:26,599 --> 00:31:29,640 a good punching power, and he did take O'Hara Davies 703 00:31:29,680 --> 00:31:31,480 out in the eighth round. That was back in October. 704 00:31:31,920 --> 00:31:33,440 So now he's back here in just a few months 705 00:31:33,480 --> 00:31:36,359 later against Sergei Lipinez. Now Lipinets, you know, I think 706 00:31:36,440 --> 00:31:38,039 most people, and they're one hundred and forty pounders, most 707 00:31:38,039 --> 00:31:40,559 people would say Lilypinetzs has probably seen better days. You know, 708 00:31:40,680 --> 00:31:43,599 he briefly held the IBF title. He's got the three losses, 709 00:31:44,799 --> 00:31:46,960 the one stoppers loss that sort of like sticks out 710 00:31:47,000 --> 00:31:49,720 like a sore thumb because he got pretty much annihilated 711 00:31:50,119 --> 00:31:51,960 by Boots Ennis in the sixth round, but he was 712 00:31:52,000 --> 00:31:54,319 dropped multiple times. That was back in twenty twenty one, 713 00:31:55,240 --> 00:31:57,839 and since then he won to fight against Omar Figure, 714 00:31:57,960 --> 00:32:01,599 he put into retirement. Basically, he then lost to Michelle Rivera, 715 00:32:01,720 --> 00:32:04,119 you know, which is kind of a kind of an 716 00:32:04,400 --> 00:32:06,880 unfortunate loss for him, because that is not a good loss, 717 00:32:06,920 --> 00:32:09,000 if there's such a thing. He did come back and 718 00:32:09,039 --> 00:32:11,480 then he had a fight in May of last year 719 00:32:11,480 --> 00:32:13,680 where he defeated the British fighter Robie David Junior by 720 00:32:13,720 --> 00:32:16,599 a decision, which is that's an okay win. It's nothing 721 00:32:16,680 --> 00:32:19,480 to write home aback. But now now Lippinetz has taken 722 00:32:19,519 --> 00:32:21,519 his show on the road. He's going to London, He's 723 00:32:21,559 --> 00:32:24,240 gonna fight at ZEEM in his home area and it's 724 00:32:24,319 --> 00:32:28,200 up to Adam ism to show that he not only 725 00:32:28,279 --> 00:32:31,440 that he belongs in the conversation as a future star 726 00:32:31,640 --> 00:32:34,440 and contender and potential champion, et cetera at one hundred 727 00:32:34,440 --> 00:32:36,920 and forty pounds, but based on where Lippenitz is in 728 00:32:36,960 --> 00:32:39,200 his career, it is my opinion that he needs to 729 00:32:39,240 --> 00:32:41,480 do the job on him. As they say, you can't 730 00:32:41,559 --> 00:32:44,160 let this be close. You can't let him hang around. 731 00:32:44,480 --> 00:32:46,359 You can't or you know you can again, you can 732 00:32:46,440 --> 00:32:49,319 go the distance, but you gotta be dominating, like if 733 00:32:49,359 --> 00:32:52,359 he goes life and death or there's an issue, and 734 00:32:52,680 --> 00:32:55,559 it's going to make people really question a ZEEM because 735 00:32:55,599 --> 00:32:58,519 this is in terms of the name on a guy 736 00:32:58,640 --> 00:33:01,720 that's known in the world boxing, not just British boxing, 737 00:33:01,880 --> 00:33:04,319 who's been in the ring with quality fighters throughout his career, 738 00:33:05,000 --> 00:33:06,839 even if he's lost some of them. And again the 739 00:33:06,960 --> 00:33:09,960 names you know are familiar. And then chel Mar figure 740 00:33:09,960 --> 00:33:12,839 out John Ennis. He also fought Lamon Peterson, he thought 741 00:33:12,880 --> 00:33:15,759 Mikey Garcia that was his first loss in a decision. 742 00:33:15,799 --> 00:33:18,119 That's back in twenty eighteen. So he's faced you know, 743 00:33:18,200 --> 00:33:20,079 pretty good guys, even like you know, go back even 744 00:33:20,079 --> 00:33:21,920 a few years before that Lenny Zappavingo, who was a 745 00:33:21,920 --> 00:33:24,599 good contender at the time he beat him. So this 746 00:33:24,799 --> 00:33:27,839 is the opportunity, in my opinion, that Adamazine can really 747 00:33:27,960 --> 00:33:31,799 shine against a more recognizable opponent than the fighters he 748 00:33:31,880 --> 00:33:33,720 has been facing. And so that's what the task is 749 00:33:34,359 --> 00:33:34,880 twelve the No. 750 00:33:35,119 --> 00:33:37,240 Speaker 2: Twenty two year old and again that's a main event. 751 00:33:38,480 --> 00:33:41,200 Excuse me, Peacock app will have that on Saturday afternoon 752 00:33:41,200 --> 00:33:43,039 if you're in the United States, kind of as a 753 00:33:43,160 --> 00:33:45,720 warm up to what's going to go on on Saturday 754 00:33:45,759 --> 00:33:49,720 night with Adam Azine. Excuse me, in that main event. 755 00:33:49,880 --> 00:33:54,000 All right. Interesting that Claressa Shields is also back. While 756 00:33:54,000 --> 00:33:57,960 we're in the preview mode, Big Dan Claressa will defend 757 00:33:58,519 --> 00:34:02,200 her WBC title that heavyweight and then this is for 758 00:34:02,519 --> 00:34:06,799 three other belts that are currently vacant against Danielle Perkins. 759 00:34:06,880 --> 00:34:10,960 You have talked before. This is on Sunday, it's in Flint, Michigan. 760 00:34:11,039 --> 00:34:15,159 It's Salita Promotions that's doing this. But you've talked before that, 761 00:34:15,480 --> 00:34:19,039 in particular in the women's heavyweight world, it is thin 762 00:34:19,400 --> 00:34:21,639 in terms of talent pool. 763 00:34:21,760 --> 00:34:22,480 Speaker 1: It's not even known. 764 00:34:22,719 --> 00:34:25,800 Speaker 2: And so I guess the boida and I'm gonna pose it. 765 00:34:25,880 --> 00:34:30,079 Claressa's heavily favored. How much are we legitimizing that she's 766 00:34:30,119 --> 00:34:34,199 potentially the undisputed heavyweight champion of women's boxing with what's 767 00:34:34,239 --> 00:34:35,760 going on here with this fighter Perkins. 768 00:34:36,760 --> 00:34:39,519 Speaker 1: Okay, I can tell you this. Anybody who has ever 769 00:34:39,639 --> 00:34:41,360 read what I have written or listened to what I've 770 00:34:41,400 --> 00:34:44,000 said knows I have nothing but the most respect for 771 00:34:44,119 --> 00:34:46,920 the ability and the talent and everything that Clarissa shows 772 00:34:46,960 --> 00:34:49,400 as accomplished. I'm a fan of hers. I have interviewed 773 00:34:49,440 --> 00:34:51,800 her many times, I have met her many times. I 774 00:34:51,920 --> 00:34:55,559 have been you know, I've known her manager for twenty 775 00:34:55,599 --> 00:34:57,960 five years, Mark Kaffi, from his days at HBO. Nothing 776 00:34:58,000 --> 00:35:01,199 but the massive respect heavyweight women's boxing is a joke. 777 00:35:01,679 --> 00:35:04,559 It just this. She will, you know, be fighting in 778 00:35:04,599 --> 00:35:07,920 the heavyweight division because you can't find like top opponents 779 00:35:07,960 --> 00:35:09,639 in the smaller way class. She's fought all the way 780 00:35:09,679 --> 00:35:12,239 from one hundred and fifty four pounds and then a 781 00:35:12,320 --> 00:35:15,039 champion all the way up you know, super middleweight, and 782 00:35:15,480 --> 00:35:18,360 and the thing about women's boxing is that, yeah, they 783 00:35:18,480 --> 00:35:21,559 call it a heavyweight title fight, but the organizations call 784 00:35:21,639 --> 00:35:23,360 it different things that have different weight limits. It's not 785 00:35:23,480 --> 00:35:26,360 unlimited the way it is in some of the men's 786 00:35:26,360 --> 00:35:28,920 weight classes. So this fight is actually a one hundred 787 00:35:28,920 --> 00:35:31,239 and eighty pound fight, so it's like a light heavyweight 788 00:35:31,320 --> 00:35:32,920 fight a little bit over the limit, or you could 789 00:35:32,920 --> 00:35:35,400 say it's a cruiserweight fight, but a sure isn't a 790 00:35:35,480 --> 00:35:38,000 heavyweight fight as we know it. So just to make 791 00:35:38,039 --> 00:35:42,119 the technical you know detail there, if you take a 792 00:35:42,159 --> 00:35:44,320 look at the sanctioning bodies and you look and see 793 00:35:44,480 --> 00:35:46,840 in their what they're top weight classes, because like I said, 794 00:35:46,920 --> 00:35:49,199 they have different top levels in terms of the weight 795 00:35:50,159 --> 00:35:53,280 there are a mere handful of women in the whole 796 00:35:53,320 --> 00:35:56,119 world that are even ranked. Like there's some divisions like 797 00:35:56,159 --> 00:35:57,679 I think, I forget which one. I don't want to 798 00:35:57,719 --> 00:35:59,960 say the wrong one, but one of the four organization 799 00:36:00,880 --> 00:36:03,760 doesn't even have they're basically creating the weight class for 800 00:36:03,840 --> 00:36:06,199 this fight. They don't have a ranking, there's nobody ranked 801 00:36:06,599 --> 00:36:08,960 in the division. They don't even listen on their website. 802 00:36:09,360 --> 00:36:11,519 So I understand what she's trying to do. I can't 803 00:36:11,599 --> 00:36:13,639 I can't blame her. She's got opportunity to fight for titles, 804 00:36:13,639 --> 00:36:16,480 and you know, she can win a you know, you know, 805 00:36:16,559 --> 00:36:18,840 a fight, make money and put on, you know, a 806 00:36:18,920 --> 00:36:22,880 fight for her hometown fans and all that, but it's 807 00:36:24,679 --> 00:36:26,960 taking a back seat, let's say, this weekend, because the 808 00:36:27,000 --> 00:36:29,840 pay per view is obviously way bigger on Saturday, even 809 00:36:29,880 --> 00:36:31,840 in the UK and the rest of you know, Europe, 810 00:36:31,880 --> 00:36:34,360 with such the boxer card is a bigger deal, and 811 00:36:34,920 --> 00:36:37,199 this has sort of been kind of a forgotten show. 812 00:36:37,639 --> 00:36:41,280 And her opponent, Daniel Perkins, all due respect, she is 813 00:36:41,400 --> 00:36:44,559 five and oh and not accomplished in any way, shaped 814 00:36:44,639 --> 00:36:46,719 or form. She's got the fight because she happens to 815 00:36:46,800 --> 00:36:51,159 have the proper physical dimensions to be a woman that's 816 00:36:51,199 --> 00:36:53,880 around that weight class. So the fact that this is 817 00:36:53,920 --> 00:36:55,960 for the undisputed title and they're gonna call it the 818 00:36:56,000 --> 00:36:59,239 undisputed heavyweight title, to me, that's more promotional. By the way, 819 00:36:59,280 --> 00:37:01,280 May I say that Daniel is forty two years old 820 00:37:02,000 --> 00:37:03,920 and has been a professional. 821 00:37:03,599 --> 00:37:08,800 Speaker 2: Since five fights and only recently. Wow, so ya. 822 00:37:10,159 --> 00:37:12,920 Speaker 1: Listen, she's never even had a ten rounder. Wow. 823 00:37:13,000 --> 00:37:15,199 Speaker 2: So let me let me interject, we keep it real. 824 00:37:15,840 --> 00:37:20,039 This is clearly something from a marketing standpoint that they 825 00:37:20,159 --> 00:37:23,199 want to call her undisputed in another weight division. But 826 00:37:24,800 --> 00:37:27,920 is sham too strong of a word. Sham't call this 827 00:37:28,920 --> 00:37:33,639 an undisputed crown for this. I think the whole heavyweight 828 00:37:33,760 --> 00:37:35,960 concept right now is a sham. I'm not saying Cloressa 829 00:37:36,000 --> 00:37:38,920 Shields is a sham. I'm saying it's a sham concept 830 00:37:39,039 --> 00:37:41,639 that this is some great accomplishment right now with what 831 00:37:41,760 --> 00:37:43,280 you just laid out, That's what I would say. 832 00:37:43,440 --> 00:37:46,280 Speaker 1: I can't disagree that it's not a sham because from 833 00:37:46,320 --> 00:37:49,400 a technical and factual perspective, she will have the four 834 00:37:49,480 --> 00:37:52,119 belts in another weight class. She'll be able to say, 835 00:37:53,360 --> 00:37:55,519 whether you agree with it or not, that she will 836 00:37:55,519 --> 00:37:58,840 be the first person man or woman in the four 837 00:37:58,920 --> 00:38:02,480 belt era undisputed champion in three different weight classes. But 838 00:38:03,360 --> 00:38:07,320 the devil is in the details, and so when you 839 00:38:07,440 --> 00:38:10,800 don't have any there's literally I'm not even like being 840 00:38:11,360 --> 00:38:14,960 like facetious or like joking around or like trying to 841 00:38:15,000 --> 00:38:17,840 make it funny. There's literally not anybody ranked in the 842 00:38:17,840 --> 00:38:20,159 weight class in some of the organizations, so. 843 00:38:21,000 --> 00:38:24,400 Speaker 2: They could get that's right. That says to me, it's 844 00:38:24,440 --> 00:38:27,360 a sham title because you don't even have anybody rank. 845 00:38:27,400 --> 00:38:30,440 You could name anybody as the champ running a certain 846 00:38:30,519 --> 00:38:32,679 fight under that premise, two. 847 00:38:32,639 --> 00:38:34,559 Speaker 1: Things can be true at the same time. We can 848 00:38:34,639 --> 00:38:39,079 say this is ridiculous, and it's it's it's it's nonsense 849 00:38:39,159 --> 00:38:43,239 that the three division un disputed champion from the perspective 850 00:38:43,280 --> 00:38:45,199 of the opponents being fought. But the other thing thing 851 00:38:45,280 --> 00:38:48,280 also be true is that Clarissa Shield is the best 852 00:38:48,360 --> 00:38:51,199 female boxer in the world pound for pound. That that 853 00:38:51,360 --> 00:38:53,719 I would I'll die on that hill. As they say, 854 00:38:53,920 --> 00:38:57,519 the woman has bought two time gold medal winner uh 855 00:38:57,719 --> 00:39:00,239 seventy seven and one or something like that out as 856 00:39:00,239 --> 00:39:03,320 an amateur, the one loss to Savannah Marshall avenged as 857 00:39:03,360 --> 00:39:05,920 a professional by the way, she was seventeen years old 858 00:39:05,960 --> 00:39:08,039 when they had that fight. And in terms of her 859 00:39:08,119 --> 00:39:10,880 professional record, as I mentioned, not only all the titles 860 00:39:10,920 --> 00:39:13,920 she's won from fifty four to you know what's seventy five, 861 00:39:14,000 --> 00:39:17,760 I guess now going for heavyweights. And the reality is, 862 00:39:17,840 --> 00:39:20,920 if you take a look at her entire professional resume 863 00:39:21,039 --> 00:39:24,000 at fifteen and oh and all those fights, you could 864 00:39:24,000 --> 00:39:26,280 probably count on one hand the rounds that she's lost. 865 00:39:26,880 --> 00:39:27,960 I mean, she doesn't love. 866 00:39:27,960 --> 00:39:30,480 Speaker 2: She's been dominant, she's been domb But there is an argument, 867 00:39:30,480 --> 00:39:32,800 and I'm just saying this as a counter she hasn't 868 00:39:32,880 --> 00:39:36,679 been in with a lot of great competition overall, not 869 00:39:37,000 --> 00:39:41,000 recently overall. And again this is tactical to do that. 870 00:39:41,159 --> 00:39:44,679 The three the three time four belt undisputed. 871 00:39:44,880 --> 00:39:47,440 Speaker 1: What I don't know about what else is she supposed 872 00:39:47,480 --> 00:39:50,559 to do? Is the question she's avoiding somebody. 873 00:39:50,360 --> 00:39:53,480 Speaker 2: Would be would there be anybody else realistically at one 874 00:39:53,599 --> 00:39:55,840 sixty eight? And apparently there's not. 875 00:39:56,239 --> 00:39:58,599 Speaker 1: Tell me she's beat them all, all right, So, I mean, 876 00:39:58,719 --> 00:40:00,599 the fact of the matter is she she's fought all 877 00:40:00,639 --> 00:40:02,519 the best women in and around her divisions when she 878 00:40:02,599 --> 00:40:05,719 was there, whether it's Christina Hammer, or it's Evanna Habison, 879 00:40:05,920 --> 00:40:09,159 or it's Emma Cozen or Savannah Marshall in the professional 880 00:40:09,480 --> 00:40:12,559 rematch or Crenejo. And then she went up and waited 881 00:40:12,559 --> 00:40:14,960 and she fought the Canadian woman you know the page, 882 00:40:14,960 --> 00:40:16,960 and she iced her in the second round, which is 883 00:40:17,039 --> 00:40:19,519 a rare thing because Claressa in as great as she is, 884 00:40:19,599 --> 00:40:21,840 the one attribute that she has lacked is the punching. 885 00:40:21,840 --> 00:40:24,920 Parrish only got three knockouts in fifteen fights. So you know, 886 00:40:25,280 --> 00:40:28,360 I don't like this fight. I like Claressa. I wish 887 00:40:28,400 --> 00:40:32,519 her luck. I got nothing against Perkins, but she's un established. 888 00:40:32,960 --> 00:40:37,159 She's forty two, She's never fought anything behind scheduled eight round. 889 00:40:37,000 --> 00:40:39,920 Speaker 2: And should not be in a fight for four belts 890 00:40:40,000 --> 00:40:43,039 for a world championship, world championships. 891 00:40:43,119 --> 00:40:44,599 Speaker 1: That's I am born on it, and it is what 892 00:40:44,719 --> 00:40:45,480 it is, all right. 893 00:40:45,559 --> 00:40:48,519 Speaker 2: So that is on Sunday again on Sunday Night on 894 00:40:48,719 --> 00:40:54,480 Dezone and from Solida Promotions for Claressa Shields. All right, 895 00:40:54,519 --> 00:40:57,360 we get to some news and then some nostalgia before 896 00:40:57,519 --> 00:40:59,920 we are done, and I know you've got a heavy heart. 897 00:41:00,760 --> 00:41:03,000 I did read on my Dan Rayfield substack about the 898 00:41:03,039 --> 00:41:07,280 passing of legendary New York boxing writer and really national 899 00:41:07,360 --> 00:41:09,880 boxing writer as well. Once the Internet came of age 900 00:41:09,960 --> 00:41:12,199 Michael Katz, who passed away this week at the age 901 00:41:12,280 --> 00:41:16,039 of eighty five. I loved the stories. The humor came 902 00:41:16,119 --> 00:41:18,519 off the page at me because you know what, when 903 00:41:18,559 --> 00:41:21,039 I'm reading what you were writing, there's a lot of 904 00:41:21,119 --> 00:41:23,840 Dan Rayfield and what you were writing just what I 905 00:41:23,920 --> 00:41:26,199 know about you, and now I begin to understand where 906 00:41:26,239 --> 00:41:28,920 you got it from. So I'm making you smile, even 907 00:41:28,960 --> 00:41:31,639 though this is a bit of a sad occasion for 908 00:41:31,760 --> 00:41:32,480 you to talk about this. 909 00:41:34,239 --> 00:41:37,320 Speaker 1: Michael Kastz was a giant of the sport period. I 910 00:41:37,400 --> 00:41:40,559 mean I read Michael Katz's columns in the Daily News 911 00:41:41,119 --> 00:41:43,559 before I ever met and got to know him. He 912 00:41:43,800 --> 00:41:47,519 was a legendary journalist. He was obviously based in New York, 913 00:41:47,599 --> 00:41:50,599 but he had a national profile. This is way before 914 00:41:50,639 --> 00:41:54,519 the Internet. If Michael Katz wrote a column in many regards, 915 00:41:54,559 --> 00:41:57,039 it's set the narrative for the sport. Like if he 916 00:41:57,320 --> 00:41:59,159 liked a certain fighter, he didn't like a certain fighter, 917 00:41:59,199 --> 00:42:01,679 he thought a fight was, you know, controversial or you 918 00:42:01,719 --> 00:42:05,079 know whatever his perspective was that became in many ways 919 00:42:05,400 --> 00:42:08,719 the talking point of the fans and the business. I mean, 920 00:42:09,119 --> 00:42:11,480 that's just the fact because the New York sports writers 921 00:42:11,519 --> 00:42:13,840 in those days had a lot of power in terms 922 00:42:13,880 --> 00:42:16,719 of what they wrote, and Michael Katz stood above all 923 00:42:16,719 --> 00:42:18,119 of them. And there was a lot of great writers 924 00:42:18,159 --> 00:42:20,159 and guys who battled it out on the beat every 925 00:42:20,199 --> 00:42:23,719 day in those newspapers New York Times, news Day, Daily News, 926 00:42:24,519 --> 00:42:26,760 you know, New York Post. I mean there was plenty 927 00:42:26,800 --> 00:42:30,480 of guys, you know, people like Walie Matthews and Phil 928 00:42:30,559 --> 00:42:33,000 Berger and Michael Katz, and you know there's there's plenty 929 00:42:33,000 --> 00:42:36,480 of those guys. But he he was not only did 930 00:42:36,519 --> 00:42:38,519 he know the sport, and not only did he have 931 00:42:38,679 --> 00:42:41,159 that kind of power for lack of a better word, 932 00:42:41,679 --> 00:42:45,280 but he also was a absolutely brilliant writer. Put put 933 00:42:45,320 --> 00:42:49,639 boxing aside. I've read all kinds of different writers, whether 934 00:42:49,719 --> 00:42:53,000 sports or otherwise. He's just a brilliant wordsmith. Like I 935 00:42:53,119 --> 00:42:54,800 think I'm pretty good, and I've done this for a 936 00:42:54,880 --> 00:42:57,599 long time, but I'm not that egotistical to say that 937 00:42:57,639 --> 00:43:00,280 when I read his columns or his pieces, I can't 938 00:43:00,320 --> 00:43:02,480 do that. And I dare say there's not a single 939 00:43:02,559 --> 00:43:06,480 colleague that I have at Ringside in today's day that 940 00:43:06,599 --> 00:43:08,159 can hold a candle to the way that he would 941 00:43:08,199 --> 00:43:10,320 write a story, period. And that's no, not because I 942 00:43:10,400 --> 00:43:13,159 work Ringside with a lot of talented guys and gals, 943 00:43:13,679 --> 00:43:16,320 but Michael Katz was above them. Now. When I first started, 944 00:43:16,320 --> 00:43:18,000 and I told the story in my column that I 945 00:43:18,039 --> 00:43:21,559 wrote for his obituary. I first met Michael. I think 946 00:43:21,599 --> 00:43:24,079 I might have met him in two thousand when I 947 00:43:24,159 --> 00:43:27,119 covered that for you. First fight I did in or 948 00:43:27,199 --> 00:43:29,119 ninety eight Atlantic City at the NA see my med fight. 949 00:43:29,199 --> 00:43:31,159 But when I first really met him was at the 950 00:43:31,199 --> 00:43:33,400 first fight I covered as the national writer for USA 951 00:43:33,440 --> 00:43:36,280 Today in April of two thousand, Lennox Lewis and Michael Grant. 952 00:43:36,480 --> 00:43:38,320 But I didn't like really know him known, but you know, 953 00:43:38,400 --> 00:43:39,760 he was friendly to me and all that. So now 954 00:43:39,880 --> 00:43:41,559 he fast forward like a couple of weeks later, three 955 00:43:41,599 --> 00:43:43,840 weeks later, a month later, I go for my second 956 00:43:43,960 --> 00:43:46,760 USA Today assignment to Atlantic City to cover a heavyweight 957 00:43:47,960 --> 00:43:51,159 doubleheader in the Bally's Ballroom and some good heavyweights on 958 00:43:51,199 --> 00:43:54,760 the Hassim Rockman became a champion against the South African 959 00:43:54,840 --> 00:43:57,639 Corey Sanders. He had Ole maskaiaf who became a heavyweight 960 00:43:57,719 --> 00:44:00,679 champion against Derek Jefferson. Anyway, on the I saw Mike 961 00:44:00,760 --> 00:44:03,199 at the at the event and we're in the hotel 962 00:44:03,239 --> 00:44:04,800 and he says to me in the morning of the fight, 963 00:44:05,599 --> 00:44:08,239 and you know, he he he didn't do this except 964 00:44:08,239 --> 00:44:09,679 for people that he kind of liked. I guess he 965 00:44:09,800 --> 00:44:11,920 called them kid. Now I was like a grown man. 966 00:44:11,960 --> 00:44:14,360 I was in my late twenties. But he says, come on, kid, 967 00:44:14,760 --> 00:44:17,039 I'm taking you to lunch and I'm going to teach 968 00:44:17,079 --> 00:44:19,000 you how to do this. So we go to like 969 00:44:19,079 --> 00:44:21,719 this deli in the Bally's based in Bally's Casino down 970 00:44:21,760 --> 00:44:24,880 on the boardwalk level, and we're overlooking the boardwalk and 971 00:44:25,320 --> 00:44:29,199 we had a lunch together, and he told stories and 972 00:44:29,360 --> 00:44:31,440 he gave me tips, and he told me who was 973 00:44:31,440 --> 00:44:33,519 who in the business, who could be trusted, who could 974 00:44:33,559 --> 00:44:36,119 not be trusted, you know, scenarios I would encounter with 975 00:44:36,239 --> 00:44:42,119 promoters and fighters and pr people and managers and other writers, 976 00:44:42,239 --> 00:44:44,519 whatever it was. And keep in mind, I'm like two 977 00:44:44,599 --> 00:44:46,360 months on the beat at this point. I started in 978 00:44:46,760 --> 00:44:48,639 March of two thousand. We're now here in like May 979 00:44:48,719 --> 00:44:51,119 of two thousands. So I'm still real wet behind the ears, 980 00:44:51,159 --> 00:44:53,400 as they say. And so he couldn't have been nicer 981 00:44:53,440 --> 00:44:54,960 to me. And I said in the piece, and I 982 00:44:55,039 --> 00:44:56,880 feel like this is definitely the way it went down. 983 00:44:57,239 --> 00:44:59,880 Is he basically he's like he must have. I knew 984 00:44:59,920 --> 00:45:01,920 he he read some stuff I had written in USA. Today. 985 00:45:02,599 --> 00:45:04,840 I was a new guy. I was still young, obviously, 986 00:45:05,360 --> 00:45:07,679 and he took a liking to me, and I feel 987 00:45:07,719 --> 00:45:09,599 like I joked around like you know that he adopted 988 00:45:09,639 --> 00:45:11,880 me that weekend. I became like his like he was 989 00:45:11,920 --> 00:45:14,519 gonna look out for me, and he did. He looked 990 00:45:14,519 --> 00:45:16,039 out for me. And the thing about it also was 991 00:45:16,400 --> 00:45:18,280 he had written as the national boxer writer for the 992 00:45:18,320 --> 00:45:20,199 New York Times. He had written as an ask He 993 00:45:20,280 --> 00:45:21,599 left the Times and he went to the New York 994 00:45:21,679 --> 00:45:24,400 Daily News. And when I first started at USA Today, 995 00:45:24,679 --> 00:45:26,440 he had just left the Daily News and went to 996 00:45:26,639 --> 00:45:29,079 and he was trailblazing at the time, because nobody in 997 00:45:29,199 --> 00:45:31,639 our business I was leaving print media to go to 998 00:45:31,679 --> 00:45:33,480 the internet. But he did. He left the New York 999 00:45:33,519 --> 00:45:35,480 Daily News and a real cushy job there as a columnist, 1000 00:45:35,719 --> 00:45:37,800 and he went to a place called the House of Boxing, 1001 00:45:37,840 --> 00:45:39,840 which was created back at that time, and they paid 1002 00:45:39,920 --> 00:45:41,800 him a lot of money. And for those who weren't 1003 00:45:41,800 --> 00:45:43,960 around at that time, the House of Boxing eventually evolved 1004 00:45:44,199 --> 00:45:47,480 into the website called Max Boxing. People like Dougie Fisher 1005 00:45:47,519 --> 00:45:49,519 and Steve kimm and guys like that Tom Gerbasi, they 1006 00:45:49,519 --> 00:45:51,679 were the younger guys that worked there. And but Mike 1007 00:45:51,840 --> 00:45:55,719 was the real draw to that, to that website. He 1008 00:45:55,760 --> 00:45:56,960 would writing all the time, and he was. 1009 00:45:57,360 --> 00:45:59,559 Speaker 2: Obviously we're now in the present. They were way ahead 1010 00:45:59,559 --> 00:46:01,360 of their time with what they were doing with this 1011 00:46:01,480 --> 00:46:03,119 House of Boxing idea and the internet. 1012 00:46:04,000 --> 00:46:07,840 Speaker 1: So in those early days, the writers from all over 1013 00:46:07,880 --> 00:46:09,840 the country, and every paper still had a writer basically, 1014 00:46:09,960 --> 00:46:11,239 So if there was a big fight in New York 1015 00:46:11,320 --> 00:46:12,960 or Vegas, you know, a lot of guys would travel 1016 00:46:13,000 --> 00:46:14,960 for the fight. But for the fights that weren't the 1017 00:46:15,000 --> 00:46:18,159 mega fights, there was really very few that traveled except 1018 00:46:18,280 --> 00:46:20,199 the three guys that did travel to a lot of 1019 00:46:20,199 --> 00:46:22,559 the really excellent fights, but not the mega fights or 1020 00:46:22,639 --> 00:46:25,760 meet Michael Casts from House of Boxing and Timothy tim 1021 00:46:25,800 --> 00:46:28,239 Smith from the New York Daily News. And so I 1022 00:46:28,440 --> 00:46:30,840 spent in those first three four years five years or so, 1023 00:46:31,079 --> 00:46:34,280 probably most of my USA today tenure a tremendous amount 1024 00:46:34,320 --> 00:46:37,519 of time with Michael and with tim traveling on the road, 1025 00:46:37,800 --> 00:46:39,639 going to fights. And the thing is I always think 1026 00:46:39,639 --> 00:46:41,960 about is Mike didn't drive because he lived in New 1027 00:46:42,000 --> 00:46:43,880 York City, so we never had a need for a car, 1028 00:46:43,920 --> 00:46:45,480 never got I don't think he had a driver's license. 1029 00:46:45,800 --> 00:46:47,960 I hated to rent cars I have terrible directions since 1030 00:46:48,039 --> 00:46:50,599 so I'm much more happy taken a cab. But Tim 1031 00:46:50,639 --> 00:46:53,239 always rented the car. Wherever we went, didn't matter he 1032 00:46:53,320 --> 00:46:55,920 in Vegas, he would rent the car. So for all 1033 00:46:55,960 --> 00:47:02,559 those trips we made, Miami, Chicago, pick a place, you know, Detroit, 1034 00:47:02,679 --> 00:47:05,280 whatever it was. Tim always had the car and we 1035 00:47:05,400 --> 00:47:07,159 always were with him in the car, like where we went. 1036 00:47:07,320 --> 00:47:09,239 So we ate meals together, and we went to press 1037 00:47:09,239 --> 00:47:11,320 conferences together, and we went to the airport together, and 1038 00:47:11,400 --> 00:47:14,719 we stayed in the same hotels and anyway. So I 1039 00:47:15,000 --> 00:47:18,280 learned a massive amount from Katz and and him to 1040 00:47:18,360 --> 00:47:20,280 some degree. But Michael was like he was like the 1041 00:47:20,360 --> 00:47:23,039 mentor to all of us. But he was one of 1042 00:47:23,079 --> 00:47:25,800 the kind because he could be the biggest dick in 1043 00:47:25,840 --> 00:47:28,519 the world because he had a temper and he would 1044 00:47:28,800 --> 00:47:31,159 rip people in the paper. I would say, and this 1045 00:47:31,320 --> 00:47:34,679 is a fact. You know, the fighters loved and respected 1046 00:47:34,719 --> 00:47:36,760 them for the most part, but the TV guys and 1047 00:47:36,800 --> 00:47:39,159 the promoters feared him when he went on the attack 1048 00:47:39,559 --> 00:47:42,159 because he could just shape rip them down into shreds 1049 00:47:42,559 --> 00:47:46,079 and make it like a thing. Right. And just as 1050 00:47:46,119 --> 00:47:48,320 one example of the respect that fighters had for Michael 1051 00:47:48,360 --> 00:47:51,920 Katz is he covered Mike Tyson's entire career as an entity. 1052 00:47:51,960 --> 00:47:53,679 And remember back in those days with the New York 1053 00:47:53,719 --> 00:47:57,000 tabloids battling out every day, and Tyson was front page News, 1054 00:47:57,199 --> 00:47:59,800 sports or otherwise. It was a big fucking deal. And 1055 00:48:00,079 --> 00:48:01,880 cats covered all that you know, from the you know, 1056 00:48:02,039 --> 00:48:04,480 all the way from the eighties through Buster Douglas, through prison, 1057 00:48:04,559 --> 00:48:08,159 you name it. And so Mike had probably reasoned to 1058 00:48:08,239 --> 00:48:10,800 maybe dislike Mike because then everything was kind that Mike 1059 00:48:10,840 --> 00:48:14,239 wrote about Michael about Mike Tyson. But they had a respect, 1060 00:48:14,320 --> 00:48:16,280 love and a respect for each other. So two quick 1061 00:48:16,360 --> 00:48:19,119 Tyson Cat stories, so this shows you the respect they had. 1062 00:48:19,599 --> 00:48:23,480 First one in two thousand and one, Ish, I forget 1063 00:48:23,519 --> 00:48:25,719 what it was. I was in Vegas covering Lennox, covering 1064 00:48:26,360 --> 00:48:29,599 Evander Holyfield against John Ruiz, the rematch for the WBA 1065 00:48:29,639 --> 00:48:32,320 heavyweight title, and they had taken myself and several other 1066 00:48:32,360 --> 00:48:35,320 writers to Mike's mansion off the strip to sit down 1067 00:48:35,360 --> 00:48:38,480 with Mike to talk about embargo after the fight, about 1068 00:48:38,480 --> 00:48:40,960 the prospect that Showtime would try to make him against 1069 00:48:41,000 --> 00:48:43,199 the Winter meeting, a fight with Ruiz or a third 1070 00:48:43,239 --> 00:48:45,519 fighter with Evander. And so we're sitting in the lot 1071 00:48:45,599 --> 00:48:50,679 in the big open living room, and Tyson is there 1072 00:48:50,760 --> 00:48:54,280 and Cats was there, and we were like not even 1073 00:48:54,320 --> 00:48:56,400 in existent because it became a Cats and Tyson thing. 1074 00:48:56,599 --> 00:48:58,840 And they spend time arguing about how to roll in marijuana, 1075 00:48:58,920 --> 00:49:02,559 join which was absolutely and cat. So that was one 1076 00:49:02,599 --> 00:49:05,760 great cat story that that Mike Tyson was like trying 1077 00:49:05,800 --> 00:49:06,440 to are you. 1078 00:49:06,440 --> 00:49:08,199 Speaker 2: Gonna tell me next? We're keeping it real on the pod. 1079 00:49:08,199 --> 00:49:09,360 Are you gonna tell me next? That they lit it 1080 00:49:09,400 --> 00:49:11,519 and smoked it. No, they just were arguing about how 1081 00:49:11,559 --> 00:49:11,960 to roll it. 1082 00:49:12,079 --> 00:49:12,400 Speaker 1: That was it. 1083 00:49:12,599 --> 00:49:15,079 Speaker 2: That's a tremendous story. That's not in the substack, by 1084 00:49:15,119 --> 00:49:17,599 the way. That's not the subs by the way. 1085 00:49:19,440 --> 00:49:21,320 Speaker 1: No, keep going, okay, And so the second one is 1086 00:49:21,480 --> 00:49:23,280 now fast forward. This is many years there, This is 1087 00:49:23,320 --> 00:49:25,280 like two years ago something like that. I'm at the 1088 00:49:25,440 --> 00:49:29,119 MGM Grand for a Canelo Alvarez way in and I've 1089 00:49:29,400 --> 00:49:31,400 I had known Mike since I first started. I've told 1090 00:49:31,440 --> 00:49:32,800 the stories. I don't have to rehash that. But I 1091 00:49:32,960 --> 00:49:35,360 interviewed Mike a million times, covered several of his team. 1092 00:49:35,360 --> 00:49:37,159 You know, we certainly knew each other, not like we're 1093 00:49:37,199 --> 00:49:39,719 best friends or anything like that. But I saw him 1094 00:49:39,840 --> 00:49:42,639 at the way in and I went over to him 1095 00:49:42,840 --> 00:49:44,599 and he recognized me, stood up, and he gave me 1096 00:49:44,639 --> 00:49:46,199 a hug, and we talked and we spent like a 1097 00:49:46,280 --> 00:49:48,440 little bit of time just kind of cashing up. But 1098 00:49:48,559 --> 00:49:51,599 the first thing that Mike ask me about, are you 1099 00:49:51,679 --> 00:49:56,559 still in touch with mister cats? Cat called him? And 1100 00:49:56,679 --> 00:49:59,320 that's because Mike cat ample respect for Michael Katz, like 1101 00:49:59,440 --> 00:50:05,239 I said, re wordsmith, but profane and cantankeros and air curmudgeon, 1102 00:50:05,599 --> 00:50:08,880 but with the people that he liked and respected, extremely generous. 1103 00:50:09,239 --> 00:50:11,280 I used to get it ribbed from him because he 1104 00:50:11,280 --> 00:50:13,719 would write Max's boxing columns and he would sometimes take 1105 00:50:13,760 --> 00:50:15,920 a little swipe in me. I never really took it 1106 00:50:16,000 --> 00:50:18,719 the bad way because I knew, based on my relationship 1107 00:50:18,800 --> 00:50:20,480 with Mike, that he was doing it as a way 1108 00:50:20,519 --> 00:50:22,159 to like be pointed with you know, you can do 1109 00:50:22,320 --> 00:50:24,239 better than that kind of like I referred to it 1110 00:50:24,320 --> 00:50:26,519 in the piece I wrote as tough love. So I 1111 00:50:26,639 --> 00:50:28,639 never had a problem with that. And now grant that 1112 00:50:28,679 --> 00:50:30,000 I had a lot of love for Mike, I hadn't 1113 00:50:30,039 --> 00:50:31,480 been in touch with him. He's been retired, he'd been 1114 00:50:31,519 --> 00:50:34,119 ill his unfortunately his wife had died many years before 1115 00:50:34,159 --> 00:50:37,079 I met him. His daughter passed away very tragically as 1116 00:50:37,079 --> 00:50:39,440 a young woman just a few years ago. But the 1117 00:50:39,519 --> 00:50:41,639 last time I had any real contact him, I kept 1118 00:50:41,719 --> 00:50:43,039 up with what he was doing because we had people 1119 00:50:43,079 --> 00:50:45,159 that we both knew that would occasionally check in with me. 1120 00:50:45,679 --> 00:50:47,679 When I won the Natt Fleischer Award from the Boxing 1121 00:50:47,719 --> 00:50:52,280 Writers Association for career excellence in Boxing journalism in twenty thirteen, 1122 00:50:52,519 --> 00:50:54,880 which is a very prestigious award because it's only voted 1123 00:50:54,920 --> 00:50:58,800 on my past winners. So I was obviously very honored 1124 00:50:58,840 --> 00:51:01,760 to win that. And uh, that was, like I said, 1125 00:51:01,800 --> 00:51:04,840 twenty thirteen. Michael Katz won that award in nineteen eighty one, 1126 00:51:05,400 --> 00:51:07,320 and wow, one of the and I got, you know, 1127 00:51:07,440 --> 00:51:09,440 several people in the business that called me or send 1128 00:51:09,480 --> 00:51:12,360 me emails or text to congratulate me. I think like 1129 00:51:12,480 --> 00:51:14,599 one of the first things I got was an email 1130 00:51:14,679 --> 00:51:17,320 from Mike Katz congratulating me. So he didn't say it 1131 00:51:17,400 --> 00:51:19,360 that he voted for me, but I'm pretty sure he 1132 00:51:19,440 --> 00:51:20,880 did based on the way the email was. 1133 00:51:21,360 --> 00:51:21,480 Speaker 3: Uh. 1134 00:51:22,000 --> 00:51:25,719 Speaker 1: Uh that that lunch from all those years earlier, where 1135 00:51:25,800 --> 00:51:28,199 I felt like he took me to that lunch because 1136 00:51:28,239 --> 00:51:30,400 he saw something that thought maybe someday I might be 1137 00:51:30,760 --> 00:51:31,519 halfway decent. 1138 00:51:32,039 --> 00:51:36,079 Speaker 2: And that was his response to Congression that we both 1139 00:51:36,559 --> 00:51:39,639 a mentor for me, and let me say this, I'm 1140 00:51:39,679 --> 00:51:41,119 not going to ruin it right now. I'm going to 1141 00:51:41,159 --> 00:51:44,320 push people to your substack. Get on Dan's substack. Get 1142 00:51:44,360 --> 00:51:48,440 on his newsletter. Read the story about him brawling with 1143 00:51:48,559 --> 00:51:52,119 another boxing writer at a press conference, and it involves 1144 00:51:52,199 --> 00:51:56,079 Bob Aram suddenly caught up in it. Read that. Read 1145 00:51:56,159 --> 00:51:59,320 about how he dealt with a photographer at the Madison 1146 00:51:59,360 --> 00:52:04,760 Square Garden Theater. It's hilarious, the photographers in Michael Katz's way. 1147 00:52:05,400 --> 00:52:08,239 Dan gives a great recounting of it. It's hilarious. How 1148 00:52:08,239 --> 00:52:10,440 am I doing? On on pumping your substack. 1149 00:52:10,519 --> 00:52:11,639 Speaker 1: You're going to go. 1150 00:52:12,159 --> 00:52:16,679 Speaker 2: Read the sub stack for these stories because it's worth it. 1151 00:52:16,800 --> 00:52:19,760 Speaker 1: Go the famous media room fight with the other journalist. 1152 00:52:19,880 --> 00:52:22,320 I was not present. It was I got the blow 1153 00:52:22,360 --> 00:52:24,079 by blow from a lot of the guys that were there, 1154 00:52:24,599 --> 00:52:27,559 But the one about the photographer, I was were right 1155 00:52:28,119 --> 00:52:29,599 aside from well. 1156 00:52:29,480 --> 00:52:31,440 Speaker 2: That was going on. So catch catch all of that 1157 00:52:31,639 --> 00:52:36,400 on the substack and rip to Michael Katz and listen. 1158 00:52:36,480 --> 00:52:39,039 Speaker 1: He covered every you know. The eighties were the golden 1159 00:52:39,119 --> 00:52:41,719 age of like the newspaper business into the nineties, so 1160 00:52:41,840 --> 00:52:45,960 we covered the Four Kings. He covered Holmes and George 1161 00:52:46,000 --> 00:52:49,280 Foreman and Mike Tyson, Andy Vander Holyfield and Oscar de 1162 00:52:49,400 --> 00:52:53,800 la Hoya and Roy Jones, all of them extensively on 1163 00:52:53,960 --> 00:52:56,880 the road traveling. I mean, and he wasn't just boxing. 1164 00:52:56,920 --> 00:52:59,679 He had spent years in Europe as the sports editor 1165 00:52:59,719 --> 00:53:02,199 for the New York Times International, and he'd covered all 1166 00:53:02,280 --> 00:53:05,039 kinds of other sports. He was a great connoisseur of wine. 1167 00:53:05,280 --> 00:53:08,079 I remember going to places to restaurants with him in 1168 00:53:08,239 --> 00:53:10,599 Vegas off the strip when we hear for big fights 1169 00:53:10,599 --> 00:53:12,719 where a fewest would go out, we wouldn't just stay 1170 00:53:12,719 --> 00:53:14,360 in the hotel. He knew all the restaurants in town. 1171 00:53:14,679 --> 00:53:17,239 And Mike. I'm not a big wine drinker, but Mike 1172 00:53:17,320 --> 00:53:19,079 always had the right bottle of wine that everybody else 1173 00:53:19,079 --> 00:53:21,119 seemed to enjoy because of his I guess his time 1174 00:53:21,199 --> 00:53:23,480 in Paris for all those years, he knew every kind 1175 00:53:23,519 --> 00:53:28,079 of wine there. Was so a smart but ultimate curmudgeon. 1176 00:53:28,360 --> 00:53:30,000 But I think, ultimately with a great. 1177 00:53:29,840 --> 00:53:33,000 Speaker 2: Heart, love it all right. I know you're I know 1178 00:53:33,039 --> 00:53:34,559 you got a heavy heart, but you did a great 1179 00:53:34,559 --> 00:53:37,360 tribute written and now verbally here on the pod. All right, 1180 00:53:37,360 --> 00:53:40,239 a couple of news items. Let's go. So on Thursday, 1181 00:53:40,280 --> 00:53:43,440 as we released this podcast, Top Rank made it official. 1182 00:53:43,599 --> 00:53:45,679 March twenty ninth will be the date of a card 1183 00:53:45,760 --> 00:53:50,119 they have in Las Vegas at the Fountain Blue Hotel 1184 00:53:50,159 --> 00:53:55,679 and Casino, Mikayla Mayer Sandy Ryan rematch, as well as 1185 00:53:55,960 --> 00:53:59,840 another world title fight with Brian Norman finally back from injury, 1186 00:54:00,039 --> 00:54:02,639 and a little more. Tell me more about what they 1187 00:54:02,639 --> 00:54:03,400 announced real quick. 1188 00:54:04,599 --> 00:54:08,000 Speaker 1: Yeah, they announced the MICHAELA Mayor Sandy Ryan rematch, which 1189 00:54:08,000 --> 00:54:09,719 I had written about and others had also. It was 1190 00:54:09,880 --> 00:54:12,360 not a surprise that they got it done, but now 1191 00:54:12,440 --> 00:54:14,719 it's official, like you mentioned in March twenty ninth in 1192 00:54:14,800 --> 00:54:19,239 Vegas for MICHAELA Mayor's WBO Women's Welter White title, which 1193 00:54:19,280 --> 00:54:23,800 she won when she knocked not knocked out, but went 1194 00:54:23,840 --> 00:54:26,199 to a majority decision with Sandy Ryan. Back in September. 1195 00:54:26,400 --> 00:54:28,639 Remember that was the first of all outstanding fight. They 1196 00:54:28,679 --> 00:54:31,480 battled it out at the Madison Square Guarden Theater. They 1197 00:54:32,599 --> 00:54:35,119 had a tremendous battle. That was the fight where Sandy 1198 00:54:35,159 --> 00:54:37,519 Ryan had that wild stuff happened as she's leaving the 1199 00:54:37,599 --> 00:54:40,519 hotel to go to the to the arena where somebody 1200 00:54:40,800 --> 00:54:42,559 jumped out of the car and threw, you know, a 1201 00:54:42,639 --> 00:54:45,480 big can of red paint all over her, and she 1202 00:54:45,679 --> 00:54:48,760 blamed Mikayla's team. Michaelee denied anything involved with that. That 1203 00:54:49,119 --> 00:54:52,599 kind of set in motion, you know, some of the background, 1204 00:54:52,639 --> 00:54:54,280 and of course they had had the whole thing about 1205 00:54:54,320 --> 00:54:57,960 how Sandy had worked with one of Mikhaela's assistant trainers 1206 00:54:58,000 --> 00:54:59,920 without McKellen knowing you that she ended up firing that training, 1207 00:55:00,079 --> 00:55:02,440 So there was sort of some animosity there anyway. So 1208 00:55:02,480 --> 00:55:04,239 now they're going to do the rematch and it should 1209 00:55:04,239 --> 00:55:06,320 be another heck of a fight. I mean, they put 1210 00:55:06,360 --> 00:55:08,360 on a tremendous battle the first time. And you mentioned 1211 00:55:08,599 --> 00:55:11,000 in terms of the co feature Brian Norman, who is 1212 00:55:11,119 --> 00:55:14,719 the WBO welterweight title holder, which he won you in 1213 00:55:14,800 --> 00:55:16,920 an upset, but he hasn't been able to defend it 1214 00:55:17,000 --> 00:55:19,360 yet because he had an injury that prevented him either 1215 00:55:19,400 --> 00:55:22,159 from possibly making the Boutennans fight, which fell a part 1216 00:55:22,199 --> 00:55:24,519 of her money, but also another defense that was supposed 1217 00:55:24,519 --> 00:55:27,000 to take place Againstquavis on a different card at the 1218 00:55:27,079 --> 00:55:28,920 end of last year. So he's going into this fight 1219 00:55:29,199 --> 00:55:30,800 with really a lot of sake. He looked great against 1220 00:55:30,840 --> 00:55:33,480 Giovanni Santio, who he stopped in San Diego, which was 1221 00:55:33,519 --> 00:55:36,400 Santition's hometown. That was back in May. So he's going 1222 00:55:36,440 --> 00:55:39,920 to be off of what ten month layoff. He's taken 1223 00:55:39,960 --> 00:55:42,000 on Quavis, who's a stolid guy but maybe not a 1224 00:55:42,079 --> 00:55:45,440 top top contender. Only got one lost Quaevis, and this 1225 00:55:45,599 --> 00:55:48,079 is the opportunity for Norman to gain a little bit 1226 00:55:48,119 --> 00:55:50,360 more exposure, gain a little bit more notoride. He put 1227 00:55:50,400 --> 00:55:52,679 a defense under his belt and say, okay, I'm ready. 1228 00:55:52,760 --> 00:55:54,960 Give me Stanionis or Ennis whoever comes out of that, 1229 00:55:55,159 --> 00:55:56,880 or you know, maybe I can get the Barrios fight, 1230 00:55:57,000 --> 00:55:58,840 or give me some other name in the welterweight division, 1231 00:55:59,079 --> 00:56:01,000 maybe a t female Lopez will move up. At some 1232 00:56:01,079 --> 00:56:04,719 point where they talked about making Ta Femo against against 1233 00:56:05,599 --> 00:56:07,679 against Brian Norman at the end of last year. It 1234 00:56:07,679 --> 00:56:10,039 didn't end up happening, so important fight for him. And 1235 00:56:10,079 --> 00:56:11,719 then you mentioned the third fight. This is not on 1236 00:56:11,840 --> 00:56:14,000 the ESPN main card. This will be I guess the 1237 00:56:14,440 --> 00:56:17,639 top fight of the plot AESPN plus only you have 1238 00:56:17,800 --> 00:56:21,199 the the exciting featherweight up and comer Bruce Shueshue Carrington. 1239 00:56:21,239 --> 00:56:23,840 He is a title eliminator in the featherweight division against 1240 00:56:23,880 --> 00:56:27,039 Enrique Vivas. So that is that is what the card 1241 00:56:27,039 --> 00:56:28,360 looks like. They haven't announced the rest of the card. 1242 00:56:28,400 --> 00:56:30,559 I'm sure they'll put on some other other top prospects, 1243 00:56:30,599 --> 00:56:33,079 but the women's fight should be excellent, and I'll be 1244 00:56:33,199 --> 00:56:35,199 very happy to see Brian Norman, who is one of 1245 00:56:35,199 --> 00:56:38,400 the young the youngest maybe the second youngest active world 1246 00:56:38,440 --> 00:56:40,599 title holder in the sport today, at least among the men, 1247 00:56:41,480 --> 00:56:43,840 like what twenty three years old, and you know, get it, 1248 00:56:43,920 --> 00:56:46,039 get a defense under his belt, or you know, maybe 1249 00:56:46,280 --> 00:56:48,440 maybe uh maybe Quavis pulls off the upside. 1250 00:56:48,559 --> 00:56:50,360 Speaker 2: And again that card for late March, and I did 1251 00:56:50,440 --> 00:56:53,320 see where Bruce Shueshu Carrington, I guess is around right 1252 00:56:53,400 --> 00:56:57,239 now because the WBC eliminator, potentially at featherweight is for 1253 00:56:57,400 --> 00:57:01,760 the winner of the Figarola Stephen Flton fight that's coming 1254 00:57:01,800 --> 00:57:04,480 Saturday night, and Carrington might be involved with one of 1255 00:57:04,519 --> 00:57:07,360 those guys down the road, So keep an eye on 1256 00:57:07,519 --> 00:57:10,199 that all right. Moving along, you talked to us before 1257 00:57:10,440 --> 00:57:14,039 about Taya Fimo Lopez, who's he fighting again, and about 1258 00:57:14,199 --> 00:57:17,800 how Jack Caterall and Arnold Barbosa are already fighting an 1259 00:57:17,840 --> 00:57:20,639 interim title. About all right, what is the WBA announced 1260 00:57:20,760 --> 00:57:23,159 this week as it regards this whole situation, So you 1261 00:57:23,239 --> 00:57:26,400 mean the WBO number one WBO, I misspoke, I'm sorry, WBO. 1262 00:57:26,519 --> 00:57:27,280 What did they announce? 1263 00:57:27,800 --> 00:57:30,719 Speaker 1: Well, you know, back whenever it was a month or two, 1264 00:57:30,760 --> 00:57:35,400 whatever it was, they allowed the fight. Originally, well, caterall 1265 00:57:35,599 --> 00:57:38,239 Is fighting Arnold Barboza Junior originally was a title eliminator 1266 00:57:38,480 --> 00:57:40,360 and that was done Delta mattrom Car taking place in 1267 00:57:40,400 --> 00:57:42,960 Manchester his own February fifteenth. You know, a good solid 1268 00:57:43,000 --> 00:57:45,360 fight between two of the better guys in the weight class. 1269 00:57:45,800 --> 00:57:47,800 But because t Femo at that moment was in a 1270 00:57:47,840 --> 00:57:51,159 big beef with top rank turning down fights, turning down dates, 1271 00:57:51,199 --> 00:57:53,079 don't want to do the money, No, not enough money, 1272 00:57:53,440 --> 00:57:56,639 this or that, and it was very frustrating to everybody. 1273 00:57:57,119 --> 00:58:00,440 Top rank was sort of exacerbated by it. The WBO 1274 00:58:00,559 --> 00:58:02,880 was upset because he hadn't fought for not a long 1275 00:58:02,960 --> 00:58:07,039 layoff by normal standards, but nothing in the plans. They 1276 00:58:07,360 --> 00:58:09,159 described it as, you know, his career kind of in 1277 00:58:09,280 --> 00:58:12,800 Limbo hadn't made a mandatory defense, even though they're usually 1278 00:58:12,800 --> 00:58:14,280 do once a year, so it'd already been like well 1279 00:58:14,280 --> 00:58:16,440 over a year since there had been a mandatory made 1280 00:58:16,480 --> 00:58:18,440 in the weight class. So they were like, okay, we're 1281 00:58:18,440 --> 00:58:21,519 going to allow Catterall and Barbosa to be for the 1282 00:58:21,599 --> 00:58:25,079 interim title, and the winner will have to be the 1283 00:58:25,199 --> 00:58:29,760 first defense when Ta Femo comes back, so today or 1284 00:58:29,960 --> 00:58:31,920 the day or not today, but within the last couple 1285 00:58:31,920 --> 00:58:34,039 of days this week, they said, they put out an 1286 00:58:34,079 --> 00:58:37,199 official resolution that said specifically, and then you know, it's 1287 00:58:37,239 --> 00:58:38,639 one thing for people to tweet it or say it, 1288 00:58:38,760 --> 00:58:40,400 but they got to put it in the paperwork. So 1289 00:58:40,480 --> 00:58:42,360 the WBA did what it's supposed to do in terms 1290 00:58:42,400 --> 00:58:44,719 of making an official They said, one hundred percent, the 1291 00:58:44,760 --> 00:58:48,719 winner of Barbosa and Catterall when t Fimo comes back, 1292 00:58:48,800 --> 00:58:51,159 must be his first opponent, and they put a time 1293 00:58:51,199 --> 00:58:53,199 frame on it, which is one hundred and eighty days, 1294 00:58:53,639 --> 00:58:55,719 so they have to get that jump. Now. The reason 1295 00:58:55,760 --> 00:58:57,960 why this is more than just your normal mandatory order, 1296 00:58:57,960 --> 00:58:59,559 because that would be that big of a deal to 1297 00:58:59,639 --> 00:59:01,719 say the you got to fight the interim champion, is 1298 00:59:01,760 --> 00:59:03,800 that when this order was made, it comes at a 1299 00:59:03,840 --> 00:59:07,280 time where t Fimo Lopez with his new management team 1300 00:59:07,320 --> 00:59:09,719 that we spoke about with the Okay from Top Rank 1301 00:59:09,800 --> 00:59:13,320 his promoter. They are engaged in a conversation and negotiation 1302 00:59:13,400 --> 00:59:15,559 with Turkey Alshi can do a three fight deal with 1303 00:59:15,719 --> 00:59:18,719 tia Fimo, and the deal there is to do fights 1304 00:59:18,920 --> 00:59:22,880 like perhaps the winner of Caterall and Barbosa. But what 1305 00:59:23,000 --> 00:59:25,280 they are hoping for is that it will ultimately end 1306 00:59:25,400 --> 00:59:28,960 with t Fimo Lopez fighting the winner of whoever merges 1307 00:59:29,000 --> 00:59:31,800 from the Devin Haney versus Ryan Garciri match, which is 1308 00:59:31,880 --> 00:59:34,239 scheduled you know, in October, as long as they win 1309 00:59:34,280 --> 00:59:36,800 their interm fight. So looking longer range, the point is 1310 00:59:37,400 --> 00:59:39,199 they're not going to necessarily be able to go forward 1311 00:59:39,760 --> 00:59:41,800 and do like the first fight they were thinking about 1312 00:59:41,880 --> 00:59:44,239 was to do tia Fimo in a unification with the 1313 00:59:44,280 --> 00:59:46,760 IBF champion Richards and Nichins. So if he has to 1314 00:59:46,840 --> 00:59:51,079 fight the winner of Barbosa and Catterall next, that may 1315 00:59:51,199 --> 00:59:53,960 put that off. Now, maybe they can reassess it. Maybe 1316 00:59:54,000 --> 00:59:55,840 they'll allow him to do a unification fight and have 1317 00:59:55,960 --> 00:59:58,119 to have the the the interim fight after that. The 1318 00:59:58,199 --> 01:00:00,440 point is, though there's a lot going on with what's 1319 01:00:00,519 --> 01:00:02,639 up with Tifimo right now, and so it's not one 1320 01:00:02,719 --> 01:00:06,079 hundred percent clear but it feels like what the WBOLE said, Hey, 1321 01:00:06,360 --> 01:00:09,159 whatever your plans are, you gotta fight the winner of 1322 01:00:09,199 --> 01:00:10,400 this fight within one hundred eighty days. 1323 01:00:10,440 --> 01:00:12,880 Speaker 2: And the other thing is he could vacate if you 1324 01:00:12,960 --> 01:00:15,519 wanted to. I mean, apparently he could vacate, and then 1325 01:00:15,519 --> 01:00:18,679 they're gonna name Catererall Barbosa winner as the champ. That's 1326 01:00:18,679 --> 01:00:20,280 the whole purpose of the interim title. We'll see, I. 1327 01:00:20,960 --> 01:00:23,079 Speaker 1: Wish, and again I think that the WBO generally does 1328 01:00:23,119 --> 01:00:24,639 a good job with these things. It would have been 1329 01:00:24,679 --> 01:00:28,239 my preference to before you get an itchy trigger, don't 1330 01:00:28,400 --> 01:00:30,679 make it for the interim title, just leave it be. 1331 01:00:30,880 --> 01:00:32,960 I know Ti Fimo was jammed up with his promotion, 1332 01:00:33,400 --> 01:00:35,280 he was in the process of changing the management, but 1333 01:00:35,480 --> 01:00:37,840 I felt like it was a little premature to declared 1334 01:00:37,880 --> 01:00:39,679 that the interim title. But that's just my opinion. 1335 01:00:39,840 --> 01:00:42,280 Speaker 2: Then again, I'm just giving the counterpoint. I'm not saying 1336 01:00:42,280 --> 01:00:44,880 you're arguing this. He's been a knucklehead and won't fight anybody, 1337 01:00:45,159 --> 01:00:48,079 so they're trying to light the fire under him. Fight somebody, 1338 01:00:48,239 --> 01:00:50,199 fight who we want you to fight, or give the 1339 01:00:50,239 --> 01:00:54,239 belt up. Stay tuned, it's boxing. A couple more you 1340 01:00:54,400 --> 01:00:59,159 have talked before about Kinshiro Taraji and now he is 1341 01:00:59,239 --> 01:01:02,840 going to be back action coming in March. Tell me 1342 01:01:02,960 --> 01:01:05,880 more about the WBC's flyweight champion. Tell me more about 1343 01:01:05,880 --> 01:01:08,400 the card in Japan, because we can't get enough of 1344 01:01:08,480 --> 01:01:11,800 a little early morning Japanese breakfast and Japanese boxing. Give 1345 01:01:11,840 --> 01:01:12,320 me a little more. 1346 01:01:13,280 --> 01:01:16,079 Speaker 1: Well, this is a tremendous matchup. I mean, Taraji is, 1347 01:01:16,519 --> 01:01:18,719 in my opinion, one of the most exciting fighters in boxing. 1348 01:01:18,760 --> 01:01:20,679 He's a guy that I think you can you know, 1349 01:01:20,920 --> 01:01:23,639 maybe not if you wanted to make the argument you 1350 01:01:23,679 --> 01:01:25,000 could find a place for him at the bottom of 1351 01:01:25,000 --> 01:01:26,480 the top ten or pound for pund lists. I don't 1352 01:01:26,480 --> 01:01:28,119 know if I could argue too strangle to see against that. 1353 01:01:28,320 --> 01:01:29,880 He's on the cusp with that. At the very least, 1354 01:01:30,119 --> 01:01:32,039 he's a really excellent fighter. He just moved up to 1355 01:01:32,079 --> 01:01:34,280 the flyweight division and won the title, and now he's 1356 01:01:34,320 --> 01:01:36,719 not messing around. In his first defense of the WBT title, 1357 01:01:36,760 --> 01:01:40,719 He's taken on Serge Akui, who is only going to 1358 01:01:40,760 --> 01:01:42,639 be in a second defense. They're going to unify the titles. 1359 01:01:42,639 --> 01:01:45,480 And what makes it kind of even more interesting is 1360 01:01:45,519 --> 01:01:49,559 that have it all Japanese title unification fight is very rare, 1361 01:01:50,199 --> 01:01:52,519 very rare. It's happened only like a few times in 1362 01:01:52,559 --> 01:01:55,239 the history of you know, the multi belt, whether it's 1363 01:01:55,239 --> 01:01:57,199 two belts, three belts, four belts, it just does not 1364 01:01:57,320 --> 01:02:01,679 happen very often. And so this is an interesting part 1365 01:02:01,760 --> 01:02:03,800 of that card. And these are two of the best 1366 01:02:03,840 --> 01:02:06,000 fly weights in the world, and Taraji may not be 1367 01:02:06,119 --> 01:02:08,679 super well known, but he's definitely a musty kind of guy. Now, 1368 01:02:08,719 --> 01:02:11,960 it's interesting. This is not definitely gonna be on ESPN 1369 01:02:12,000 --> 01:02:14,920 Plus yet like the other Japanese big title cards we've 1370 01:02:14,960 --> 01:02:17,679 seen with teaking promotions, because those are fight cards that 1371 01:02:17,719 --> 01:02:21,440 have been on Amazon Prime in Japan and Top Rank 1372 01:02:21,559 --> 01:02:23,559 is taken in those. This is on a different streaming 1373 01:02:23,599 --> 01:02:25,599 service in Japan, so it still remains to be seen 1374 01:02:25,840 --> 01:02:27,920 if Top Rank isn't gonna end up doing it. But 1375 01:02:28,039 --> 01:02:29,880 I'm sure if you're a savvy boxing person, you'll be 1376 01:02:29,880 --> 01:02:32,119 able to find it somewhere, whether it's YouTube right after 1377 01:02:32,159 --> 01:02:35,159 the factor perhaps live somewhere. In any event, though, so 1378 01:02:35,280 --> 01:02:36,800 that's the main event of that card. They got a 1379 01:02:36,840 --> 01:02:38,960 couple they got some other title fights on the show 1380 01:02:39,000 --> 01:02:41,679 as well, but the main attraction, of course is Taraji 1381 01:02:41,920 --> 01:02:44,320 against a Koui which is a first class matchup. Again, 1382 01:02:44,679 --> 01:02:46,559 you know, not everything is at the heavyweight division or 1383 01:02:46,599 --> 01:02:50,000 superstar names, but if you like boxing, this is an excellent, 1384 01:02:50,039 --> 01:02:52,519 excellent matchup. And both guys they're not messing around going 1385 01:02:52,840 --> 01:02:54,719 you know, not being champions for very long. They're just 1386 01:02:54,800 --> 01:02:57,320 going right into like literally the toughest fight they can have. 1387 01:02:57,840 --> 01:03:00,599 Speaker 2: That coming in about six weeks in March. And also 1388 01:03:00,760 --> 01:03:04,400 we got more good news about what's apparently coming maybe 1389 01:03:04,519 --> 01:03:07,519 in March, and this is a rematch with William Zapaieda 1390 01:03:07,639 --> 01:03:12,159 and Tevin Farmer for the NUMWBC lightweight title. Zapeida got 1391 01:03:12,199 --> 01:03:16,480 the split decision controversial. Farmer had a case that he 1392 01:03:16,559 --> 01:03:19,440 maybe won that fight. What's the latest They just fought 1393 01:03:19,440 --> 01:03:21,599 in November. What's the latest here on the rematch. 1394 01:03:22,119 --> 01:03:23,760 Speaker 1: Yeah, so it's not done yet, but I was talking 1395 01:03:23,800 --> 01:03:26,159 to Golden Boy and they're making plans to try to 1396 01:03:26,199 --> 01:03:27,760 get the fight done. They want to do the rematch. 1397 01:03:28,039 --> 01:03:30,480 You know, Zepaida's mandatory for cha cour Stevenson, but he's 1398 01:03:30,480 --> 01:03:33,400 fighting February twenty second. They didn't fight in the first 1399 01:03:33,400 --> 01:03:35,719 place because of the injuries that had been going on 1400 01:03:35,800 --> 01:03:37,440 with both guys, so it kind of got put off. 1401 01:03:37,719 --> 01:03:41,599 And so he fought Farmer instead on that Latino Night 1402 01:03:41,679 --> 01:03:44,199 card in November. As you mentioned, they had a tremendous battle, 1403 01:03:44,280 --> 01:03:48,320 really good fight, and Zapeida won the close decision. Farmer, 1404 01:03:48,360 --> 01:03:49,800 you know, kind of complained the battle a bit, and 1405 01:03:50,039 --> 01:03:52,199 without a lot of other stuff going on and something 1406 01:03:52,360 --> 01:03:54,000 nothing else that really was a big dealer, made a 1407 01:03:54,000 --> 01:03:56,199 lot of sense. They figured, let's give Farmer the rematch. 1408 01:03:56,199 --> 01:03:58,199 So they're trying to put the fight together from March 1409 01:03:58,239 --> 01:04:00,519 twenty ninth. It'll be a de Zone fight, obviously being 1410 01:04:00,559 --> 01:04:02,079 that as Golden Boy, and they're looking to do it 1411 01:04:02,119 --> 01:04:04,559 in Cancun, Mexico, which is a paida is from Mexico, 1412 01:04:04,840 --> 01:04:08,039 so Farmer, you know, have to travel. But you know, 1413 01:04:08,280 --> 01:04:10,599 while you're waiting for the she Court fight, this is 1414 01:04:10,639 --> 01:04:13,000 still a pretty good fight. Farmer, you know, he feels 1415 01:04:13,000 --> 01:04:15,400 aggrieved because he feels he beat far he beat Sapaida. 1416 01:04:15,480 --> 01:04:17,840 He believes he believes he kind of got a raw 1417 01:04:17,920 --> 01:04:20,599 deal against Raymond Moretaya in the previously I which I 1418 01:04:20,599 --> 01:04:22,639 don't agree with that for Attia definitely won that, but 1419 01:04:22,920 --> 01:04:25,119 it was certainly competitive at least, and so for a 1420 01:04:25,199 --> 01:04:28,760 guy that's lost a couple of fights in recent times 1421 01:04:28,800 --> 01:04:31,480 in a row. Kevin Farmer is still a pretty damn 1422 01:04:31,519 --> 01:04:33,000 good fighter, and we'll see if he gives a paid 1423 01:04:33,000 --> 01:04:35,360 another run for his money if they get the deal done. 1424 01:04:35,880 --> 01:04:40,519 Speaker 2: All right, And that leads us now to nostalgia and uh, 1425 01:04:40,639 --> 01:04:45,119 you know, we talked about some of the greats. Julio 1426 01:04:45,280 --> 01:04:49,199 Cesar Chavez put his unbeaten record on the line, going 1427 01:04:49,320 --> 01:04:51,719 back to Wednesday. Now as we released the podcast Thursday 1428 01:04:51,760 --> 01:04:55,079 Night into Friday, January twenty ninth of nineteen ninety four, 1429 01:04:55,239 --> 01:05:00,599 This is now thirty one years ago from Wednesday. That more, Morristown, 1430 01:05:00,719 --> 01:05:05,039 Tennessee's Frankie Randall, the surgeon Frankie Randall. He is the 1431 01:05:05,119 --> 01:05:07,599 all time answer to the trivia question who's the first 1432 01:05:07,719 --> 01:05:12,599 guy to not only defeat Julio Caesar Chavez, but knocked 1433 01:05:12,679 --> 01:05:15,079 him down in the fight and then eventually won What 1434 01:05:15,320 --> 01:05:18,199 Chavez is can't believes is a cot and fans a 1435 01:05:18,320 --> 01:05:22,199 controversial split decision in their first fight. The late Frankie 1436 01:05:22,280 --> 01:05:25,639 Randall won that and as Dan points out, it's the 1437 01:05:25,800 --> 01:05:29,079 first fight card ever correct at the MGM Grand Where 1438 01:05:29,119 --> 01:05:32,079 you are right now, Nostalgia on top of nostalgia, Dan 1439 01:05:32,159 --> 01:05:33,039 Rayphiel for this I. 1440 01:05:33,159 --> 01:05:35,440 Speaker 1: Realized that when I was in I can't. I got 1441 01:05:35,519 --> 01:05:38,519 to Las Vegas on a Wednesday, which was the anniversary 1442 01:05:38,559 --> 01:05:40,760 off this fight, So here I am. Now the MGM 1443 01:05:40,960 --> 01:05:44,480 is not where the David Morrel and Benavidez are fighting 1444 01:05:44,559 --> 01:05:46,280 in the Timo Bellerina, which is, you know, just a 1445 01:05:46,360 --> 01:05:48,920 couple of blocks up the street, but the host hotel 1446 01:05:49,519 --> 01:05:52,920 for all of the fights that take place at Timoblerina 1447 01:05:53,280 --> 01:05:55,920 has been or most of them anywhether there might be 1448 01:05:56,000 --> 01:05:58,280 one or two that weren't, but it's been the MGM grant. 1449 01:05:58,320 --> 01:06:01,199 So here I am checking into the MGM Grand for 1450 01:06:01,360 --> 01:06:04,239 a fight week on the day that is the anniversary 1451 01:06:04,280 --> 01:06:06,280 of the first boxing event they ever did there, the 1452 01:06:06,360 --> 01:06:08,679 Grand Slam of Boxing, one of the big don King 1453 01:06:08,760 --> 01:06:11,280 shows back in the day. When people talk about stack cards, 1454 01:06:11,280 --> 01:06:13,360 I always say, well, go look at the Don King 1455 01:06:13,440 --> 01:06:15,400 cards that took place, you know in the early and 1456 01:06:15,480 --> 01:06:17,800 mid nineties that that sort of was the beginning of that, 1457 01:06:18,199 --> 01:06:20,400 you know, rush of big time pay per view events, 1458 01:06:20,760 --> 01:06:24,199 and certainly this qualifies as their first event ever in 1459 01:06:24,360 --> 01:06:26,519 the MGM Grand history, which is done now you know, 1460 01:06:26,719 --> 01:06:28,920 zillions of fights. We just had the big anniversary where 1461 01:06:28,960 --> 01:06:31,800 there was a big celebration of their one hundred championship night. 1462 01:06:31,880 --> 01:06:33,320 They were a little off on their counting, but do 1463 01:06:33,320 --> 01:06:36,199 you understand the point. But this was a huge upset. 1464 01:06:36,320 --> 01:06:38,920 Like you said, Chobb, is this eighty nine oh to 1465 01:06:39,079 --> 01:06:42,599 one incredible going into this fight. He's made twelve defenses 1466 01:06:42,639 --> 01:06:45,440 of the WBC Junior Walter Weitel. He's a fifteen to 1467 01:06:45,519 --> 01:06:49,320 one favorite in the fight. And Frankie Raynal gets two 1468 01:06:49,360 --> 01:06:51,960 point deductions against jabs from Richard Steel, the referee who 1469 01:06:52,000 --> 01:06:55,400 took points from Chabez. You know, for I believe one 1470 01:06:55,480 --> 01:06:57,719 was hitting on the brake, yes, and there was I 1471 01:06:57,760 --> 01:06:59,519 forget what the low blows I believe was the other one. 1472 01:07:00,360 --> 01:07:02,960 Any event, uh so he's already in the hole with 1473 01:07:03,039 --> 01:07:05,400 the with the point deduction. Then in round eleven with 1474 01:07:05,639 --> 01:07:07,159 just In stand in the middle of the ring and 1475 01:07:07,400 --> 01:07:09,920 Randall lands is like a straight clean shot and boom, 1476 01:07:10,360 --> 01:07:12,360 Chobbs is on his rear end, first bow ever in 1477 01:07:12,440 --> 01:07:14,880 his career. Yeah, and it was not enough for him 1478 01:07:14,920 --> 01:07:17,559 to overcome, and Randall ended up winning a split decision 1479 01:07:17,599 --> 01:07:19,440 where based on the way the scores went based on 1480 01:07:19,480 --> 01:07:21,320 the knockdown in the and the point deductions, you know, 1481 01:07:21,400 --> 01:07:22,679 they were kind of looking for a way to take 1482 01:07:22,679 --> 01:07:25,039 it away from Chovas, but he still did enough Randall 1483 01:07:25,079 --> 01:07:27,960 to get the decision. Uh. They ultimately fought two more times, 1484 01:07:28,440 --> 01:07:31,360 chobb Is with the controversial technical decision to win in 1485 01:07:31,400 --> 01:07:34,079 the second fight, and then by the third fight. You know, 1486 01:07:34,320 --> 01:07:36,400 so a few years after that, Randall was a mere 1487 01:07:36,480 --> 01:07:38,559 shell of himself and he just got pummeled. But it 1488 01:07:38,679 --> 01:07:41,199 was a big card, the big undercard fight. You know, 1489 01:07:41,239 --> 01:07:42,800 there were some lot of good fights on the card, 1490 01:07:43,039 --> 01:07:46,199 but the main card, uh feature on besides the main 1491 01:07:46,239 --> 01:07:49,719 event was you know, the the great Felix Trinidad defending 1492 01:07:49,760 --> 01:07:52,199 the welterweight title against Hector Camato. That's some big time 1493 01:07:52,519 --> 01:07:57,039 game feature. So that was a big win for Trinidad 1494 01:07:57,079 --> 01:07:57,880 in the earlier stages of. 1495 01:07:57,960 --> 01:07:59,880 Speaker 2: Yeah, I was gonna say Trinidad on the rise at 1496 01:08:00,119 --> 01:08:02,159 that time with Camacho. 1497 01:08:02,639 --> 01:08:05,320 Speaker 1: And unfortunately, there was supposed to be a fight, another 1498 01:08:05,360 --> 01:08:07,199 world title fight between the great Hall of Famer at 1499 01:08:07,239 --> 01:08:10,039 zum And Nelson and his great rival James Leja. That 1500 01:08:10,199 --> 01:08:12,719 fight on the unfortunately got canceled off the car. Uh 1501 01:08:12,880 --> 01:08:14,320 it's on the The reason I say it because I 1502 01:08:14,440 --> 01:08:16,560 posted a picture of the program and the and their 1503 01:08:16,640 --> 01:08:18,279 their pictures are on the program, but it was a 1504 01:08:18,359 --> 01:08:19,319 late scratch from the show. 1505 01:08:19,520 --> 01:08:22,720 Speaker 2: But it also has the car Simon, Simon Brown, Tommy 1506 01:08:22,800 --> 01:08:25,239 hit Van Heerds fighting as a cruiserweight, believe it or not, 1507 01:08:26,159 --> 01:08:29,560 on that card. All of that one years ago. 1508 01:08:30,319 --> 01:08:32,960 Speaker 1: How many fights have taken place in this great arena, 1509 01:08:33,079 --> 01:08:35,720 this hallowed building since then. But that was the beginning 1510 01:08:36,000 --> 01:08:38,159 and they got it off with a bang, with one 1511 01:08:38,159 --> 01:08:42,159 of the biggest upsets of that decade. Yeah, tremendous. 1512 01:08:42,359 --> 01:08:45,199 Speaker 2: And again, Frankie Randall passed away a couple of years ago, 1513 01:08:45,359 --> 01:08:47,520 had been in a nursing home in Tennessee, had been 1514 01:08:47,600 --> 01:08:51,079 in had been in bad health. Drugs alcohol had had 1515 01:08:51,159 --> 01:08:54,399 really robbed him of his latter years. But again the 1516 01:08:54,479 --> 01:08:57,239 answer to the trivia question, it's not. It's not any 1517 01:08:57,319 --> 01:08:59,479 of the other all time greats that you might think. 1518 01:08:59,680 --> 01:09:03,399 It is Frankie Randall who the who got the win 1519 01:09:03,600 --> 01:09:06,800 now thirty one years ago Wednesday, the first ever loss. 1520 01:09:07,600 --> 01:09:09,600 Is it fair? I think it's fair to say that 1521 01:09:09,760 --> 01:09:14,399 in terms of big time world champions, I hate you 1522 01:09:14,479 --> 01:09:16,479 love it when I do this. I hate the word never. 1523 01:09:16,840 --> 01:09:18,960 You gotta be careful of words like never. You gotta 1524 01:09:19,000 --> 01:09:21,199 be careful of words like forever. You gotta be careful 1525 01:09:21,239 --> 01:09:22,880 of the phrase I love you. You better be very 1526 01:09:22,960 --> 01:09:25,079 careful before you're saying the phrase I love you. I'm 1527 01:09:25,119 --> 01:09:27,359 just giving some advice, dating advice, metal advice. 1528 01:09:27,880 --> 01:09:28,560 Speaker 1: Will you marry me? 1529 01:09:28,640 --> 01:09:31,439 Speaker 2: That's another phrase be careful of. But is it fair 1530 01:09:31,520 --> 01:09:36,239 to say we are highly unlikely to ever see anybody 1531 01:09:36,359 --> 01:09:39,760 get to eighty nine and oh in major world championship 1532 01:09:39,760 --> 01:09:41,359 boxing 're in this case now eighty nine to oh 1533 01:09:41,439 --> 01:09:44,079 to one with the draw against Parnell Whitaker, which came 1534 01:09:44,119 --> 01:09:47,800 the year before in ninety three for Chavez, eighty nine. 1535 01:09:47,960 --> 01:09:49,159 Speaker 1: They just don't fight that much. 1536 01:09:49,239 --> 01:09:52,439 Speaker 2: No, eighty nine oh and one? Are you kidding me? 1537 01:09:52,520 --> 01:09:54,479 Before he lost a fight, it's crazy. 1538 01:09:54,479 --> 01:09:56,680 Speaker 1: Forget about getting to eighty nine to zhe one the 1539 01:09:56,840 --> 01:10:00,640 best fighters, they're probably not gonna get. Forget about ninety fights, 1540 01:10:01,119 --> 01:10:03,439 you know, Canelo Albers being an exception who's got over 1541 01:10:03,520 --> 01:10:06,000 sixty fights now, right, Even to get to that level 1542 01:10:06,039 --> 01:10:08,119 of fifty and sixty fights is highly unusual at this 1543 01:10:08,199 --> 01:10:10,600 stage of boxing. I mean, there's a lot you know 1544 01:10:10,640 --> 01:10:14,079 who have done that in recent times, got into the 1545 01:10:14,159 --> 01:10:17,199 fifties and that sort of stuff. But and Chavez didn't 1546 01:10:17,239 --> 01:10:20,159 stop there because after he lost the fight to Frankie Randall, 1547 01:10:20,439 --> 01:10:22,399 he will, like he said, he got the revenge and 1548 01:10:22,439 --> 01:10:24,279 the rematch on the one of the great pay per 1549 01:10:24,359 --> 01:10:25,960 view cards of all time, Revenge of the Rematches. But 1550 01:10:26,039 --> 01:10:28,079 then he went on the street where he continued to 1551 01:10:28,119 --> 01:10:30,039 defend the title. He beat Meldrick Taylor in the rematch. 1552 01:10:30,159 --> 01:10:33,760 Granton Meldric was way gone at that point. Tony Lopez Pei. 1553 01:10:34,560 --> 01:10:38,239 Ultimately he ended up moving you know, into the into 1554 01:10:38,279 --> 01:10:42,359 the huge, huge attraction fight where he fought Oscar de 1555 01:10:42,439 --> 01:10:44,680 la Hoya for the first time. He lost, at which 1556 01:10:44,760 --> 01:10:48,920 point that was sort of like now Chabz is considered 1557 01:10:49,000 --> 01:10:51,359 like an older kind of shot, kind of playing out 1558 01:10:51,359 --> 01:10:54,359 the string. But he still went one another title and 1559 01:10:54,479 --> 01:10:58,079 still you know, did some other things and fought in 1560 01:10:58,159 --> 01:11:00,680 other title fights for a Peter up about eighty nine 1561 01:11:00,720 --> 01:11:03,920 oh to one. He finished one hundred and seven six 1562 01:11:04,039 --> 01:11:06,680 and two with eighty five knockouts. The man has more 1563 01:11:06,760 --> 01:11:11,399 knockouts and virtually everybody has fights. So that was a 1564 01:11:11,600 --> 01:11:13,279 huge upset. I mean, you could say it's probably one 1565 01:11:13,279 --> 01:11:14,520 of the biggest upsets. I mean, I don't know if 1566 01:11:14,520 --> 01:11:16,600 it's it's not gonna trump you know Tyson and and 1567 01:11:16,760 --> 01:11:19,159 Buster Duggas anything like that. But you know, at fifteen 1568 01:11:19,199 --> 01:11:21,920 to one, and with what Chavis had accomplished, that was 1569 01:11:22,000 --> 01:11:26,279 like a pretty big shocker that that occurred. I mean, 1570 01:11:26,319 --> 01:11:28,239 I don't know, like you said, nobody's ever getting to 1571 01:11:28,359 --> 01:11:30,000 that level again. And I think, actually now that I 1572 01:11:30,039 --> 01:11:33,640 mention it, he did not win once he lost that 1573 01:11:33,800 --> 01:11:38,439 title to Oscar. He never won another world title. He 1574 01:11:38,600 --> 01:11:40,199 fought still after that, but. 1575 01:11:40,279 --> 01:11:42,560 Speaker 2: Never untill he fought on and won what did you say, 1576 01:11:42,600 --> 01:11:44,319 one hundred and seventy and fell on and won eighteen 1577 01:11:44,399 --> 01:11:47,600 more fights after this, after this loss to Frankie Randall. 1578 01:11:47,720 --> 01:11:49,119 Speaker 1: So you know, grant that some of them are not 1579 01:11:49,159 --> 01:11:52,159 against the top names. See, he got it. He fought 1580 01:11:52,199 --> 01:11:54,840 in another title fight when he when he lost in 1581 01:11:54,920 --> 01:11:57,000 the rematch with Oscar, as well as the Costazu fight 1582 01:11:57,079 --> 01:11:59,680 that we've talked about in the past. But the eighty 1583 01:11:59,720 --> 01:12:01,520 nine one is the remarkable sort. 1584 01:12:01,359 --> 01:12:03,520 Speaker 2: Of stretch career staggering. 1585 01:12:04,039 --> 01:12:05,680 Speaker 1: So when people want to make a big deal about 1586 01:12:05,720 --> 01:12:08,760 you know, Floyd was fifty and oh, okay, that's a 1587 01:12:08,800 --> 01:12:10,800 great he wasn't eight nine. 1588 01:12:10,960 --> 01:12:12,720 Speaker 2: One, na, oh yeah. In a way right now, that 1589 01:12:12,800 --> 01:12:14,319 has the twenty what is it twenty three or twenty 1590 01:12:14,359 --> 01:12:17,279 four world title wins. Let's see him get Let's see 1591 01:12:17,359 --> 01:12:20,359 him fight fifty more times, sixty more times. That ain't 1592 01:12:20,399 --> 01:12:24,319 happening exactly? All right with that, it has been a 1593 01:12:24,399 --> 01:12:27,199 busy program. What's say you and I reconvene on the 1594 01:12:27,239 --> 01:12:30,239 bet Us TV Boxing Show on their platforms, their YouTube, 1595 01:12:30,279 --> 01:12:34,159 their social media one Eastern ten a m. Pacific. Big 1596 01:12:34,279 --> 01:12:37,760 Dan will be out where he is in Las Vegas 1597 01:12:37,840 --> 01:12:40,560 for that. When it is all over for this weekend, 1598 01:12:40,600 --> 01:12:43,560 we'll come back in with a recap podcast on the 1599 01:12:43,640 --> 01:12:47,119 Benavidez Morell main event, the co feature as well with 1600 01:12:47,720 --> 01:12:51,520 Stephen Fulton and Brandon Figuerola. That big rematch. I'm intrigued 1601 01:12:51,520 --> 01:12:52,800 by that one. I think a lot of people are. 1602 01:12:53,520 --> 01:12:56,119 Let's do all of that this weekend for now. Enjoy 1603 01:12:56,199 --> 01:12:58,279 yourself here over the next couple of days and we 1604 01:12:58,359 --> 01:13:00,760 look to a reconvene on bet Us on the recap pod. 1605 01:13:00,840 --> 01:13:02,760 Thank you Dan, Raphael, all. 1606 01:13:02,720 --> 01:13:04,359 Speaker 1: Right, TJ joined the fight. There you go. 1607 01:13:04,760 --> 01:13:06,520 Speaker 2: There is the one and only go to that fight. 1608 01:13:06,560 --> 01:13:08,439 Freak to night, Substack for all the news. He's got 1609 01:13:08,479 --> 01:13:12,600 some great insight on the press conferences, et cetera, more 1610 01:13:12,680 --> 01:13:16,560 of the stories on Michael Katz, some other news items 1611 01:13:16,600 --> 01:13:19,079 in his notebook. Etca go check that out on the 1612 01:13:19,359 --> 01:13:22,119 Fight Preach Unite substack. 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