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your support. Alrightye, let's let's talk about the group chat,
not the text line, but the group chat. You know,
the group chat I'm talking about. Maybe you don't. Yeah,
I've been waiting. I've been sort of compiling stuff on
this story ever since it popped two days ago over
at Politico. And a couple of things. Number one, I
am not a registered Republican. I don't move in the
Republican park. These circles. I don't know who these people are,
these young Republicans. They seem to be apparently mostly from
the New York area, it seems like, So I don't
know who these people are. I don't know the structure
of the young Republicans and the different branches and whatever.
I don't follow all of that stuff. I don't know
the structure. However, I can say that in politics, just
like anything else, when a party, when a political party
gains power, it attracts people who are in love with power,
and they don't really care about the ideology. They don't
care about the principles. They have maybe some sociopathic, psychopathic
tendencies personalities, right, so they don't really they don't really
care to advance the cause. They are there to advance
their own position, and they will use whatever philosophy or
principles that are at play in order to serve themselves. Okay,
and this was I noticed this back in you know,
twenty five years ago, when the Republicans were ascendant in
the early two thousands, and they started attracting a lot
of these different people, and it was kind of like, wait,
wait a minute, who are these people? What are they saying?
And that doesn't seem very limited government? D you know
that kind of thing. I've talked about the quote woke
right before on this program. And for people who aren't aware,
these are people that ostensibly call themselves members of the
right or conservatives or whatever, but they adopt the same
tactics as the woke left. They view themselves as perpetual victims, right,
they view themselves as oppressed. They do the same sorts
of things that the woke left does, silencing people, deplatforming people.
And there is a very wide strain of anti Semitism
that is running through that side of the spectrum this
and it's called the horseshoe political horseshoe theory, where it's
sort of like, you have your extremes and it bends
back towards each other. Which is why you're starting to
see people on the left quoting and embracing even Marjorie
Taylor Green because she's saying that Matt Gates, Tucker Carlson
right there, sat Candice Owens. Because those people on the
right quote unquote the right are saying things the people
on the left also agree with. That's why it's woke, right.
They are emerging their meeting sort of at the top
of the horseshoe or bottom, depending on how you're holding
the horseshoe. I guess all right, So the story from
the Politico headline, I Love Hitler, Laked messages expose young
Republicans racist chat. This is like twelve pages long. It's
a very lengthy story thousands of pages of texts Okay,
that political apparently got from an internal private chat group
between that included a bunch of these Young Republicans. Leaders
of Young Republican groups throughout the country worried what would
happen if their telegram chat ever got leaked, but they
kept typing anyway. They referred to black people. I'm not
even going to say these things that they referred to them,
ask I'm not going to say it, but it's not good.
It is what you would think. It's all of the
racial stereotypes and the words, the slurs that are used.
They use those words and slurs. They mused about putting
their political opponents in gas chambers. They talked about raping
their enemies and driving them to suicide, and lauded Republicans
who they believed support slavery. Then they start naming a
bunch of these people. William Hendrix, the Kansas Young Republicans
vice chair, used variations of the N word more than
a dozen times. Bobby Walker, the vice chair of the
New York State Young Republicans, referred to rape as epic.
Peter Jijunta, who at the time was chair of the
same organization in New York wrote in a message sent
in June that everyone that votes know is going to
the gas chamber. Okay, let me stop right here and
say a lot of this stuff is done in humor. Okay,
I don't endorse any of this. And by the way,
they're like, oh my gosh, people are now losing their
posts in these organizations. And here's the thing I believe
they should. You're going to step up and you're going
to engage in this kind of political operation. You need
to understand that there are things that you need to
say and make jokes about because it will be weaponized
against you. And this is one of the other elements
of the quote unquote woke right, is that there are
actors inside that I don't want to say movement, but
over there in that crowd that are pushing you, pushing
people to go there. When it comes to Nazism, racism
and all that. Right, they want you to say these
things and participate in these kinds of things because it
will remove you from the battlefield. That's the point. It
will make you toxic and now you're off the field.
There is a level of psychological warfare going on with
the with social media and if you don't understand that,
you do not belong in politics. Okay, And that, by
the way, how this obviously got leaked is some guy
I think his name is Gavin Wax. There are different
divisions inside the Young Republicans and some other groups or whatever,
and they were vying for power and that's where so
this one group that's where these texts came from apparently
got leaked to Politico by another Republican. Okay, So like
there's that level. And some of these people in the
group chats say that they're not so sure that some
of these chats, some of these messages weren't doctored. So
I keep that in mind as well. The exchange is
part of a trove of telegram chats, and I'm not
going to go over all of the offensive stuff. I
will just tell you that there were really offensive things
in there. But there are also things in there that
I think were jokes that were obviously jokes, Like the
headline that they pull is I love Hitler. That's what
they say. But this exchange was when the Kansas State
chair informs this guy, Peter Jjunta, that one of Michigan's
Young Republicans promised him that the group will vote for
the most right wing person to lead the national organization.
He responded, quote, great, I love Hitler, So that's a joke. Like,
I get that, that's a joke. They're like, they're going
to vote for whoever is the most right wing and
he's like, well, can't get more right wing than Hitler.
So I love him. You know, that's a joke. Some
of the other stuff not so much. Not so much.
The exchange is part of this trove that Politico got
spending seven months of messages coming from Republican these young
Republican leaders which by the way, I've never heard of
any of these people, Okay, but Democrats in the media.
But I repeat myself, they want this to be a huge,
huge thing, right, They want this to be as big
as Jay Jones well, which they don't really of her,
so no, but they are all in on this story.
And like, I recognize the double standard, right, I recognize
that you guys are paying all this attention to these
no name young Republican guys and gals that were in
this group chat saying awful things, and you're you're demanding
you know that all the Republicans play defender disavow with
these no name people that nobody knows. But when it
comes to Jay Jones, you're not holding any Democrats accountable.
You're not making them play defender dissavow. And when in fact,
you try to get Abigail Spanberger running for governor on
the ticket with Jay Jones, who wished murder on a
Republican and the murder of his two children in front
of his family, nowhere to be found. When Spanberger's asked
about it, she refuses to say he should drop out, right,
So they don't. They're not being held to that standard.
So now you've got people on the woke right quote
unquote woke right. You've got people over there that are like, well,
you know what, Well, then we're going to defend our guys.
We're going to say they did nothing wrong, we don't care.
We're not going to give them up. We're not going
to throw them under the bus. We're not going to
disavow any of the things that they said. We're we're
not playing by your rules. You're demanding that we do
this thing, and we're not going to do it. See.
So here's the thing. I don't need anybody to tell
me to do that. I me personally, like, I'm going
to look at what they said and I'm going to say, yeah,
that's disqualifying. You shouldn't be around politics. That's just toxic crap.
You shouldn't say that. That's my opinion. You can have
a different opinion, but enter the woke right where now
it's like you have to take our position, Pete. You
have to say what we are telling you to say.
And that's when I start saying, you guys are sounding
a lot like the left now because I don't have
to say that, actually don't. I don't have to defend
these guys. I don't have to endorse what they said.
I don't have to get any of that on me.
I didn't do that. I wouldn't do that. See, that's
the fight that's now happening, and the left is urging
and goading and rooting for this. That's what they want
to see happen because it's a convenient deflection away from
the J. Jones story, which by the way, is worse
than this right. So don't let here's the thing. If
you're like, I'm not going to pay any attention to
the chat, I'm not going to pay attention to this story.
You're going to say that, then you allow the left
off the hook too, because now you don't get to say,
what about Jay Jones. You don't get to say that,
which is precisely why the left is doing what they're
doing and pushing this story. I don't have to pick See,
this is the thing. This is a false dichotomy. You know,
me with false choices. I do not like them. I
resist them. This is a false choice. I can say
all of this is wrong. You shouldn't be talking like
this because it's not decent. It's just not decent. Be
a decent person. That's all. Minimum requirement, just minimum requirement.
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I understand what Politico is doing by publishing the article
as well. See here again, this is a false choice
for me to have to quote pick a side. Okay,
I can see what Politico is doing with the story,
and I can see what the what the internal divisions
are as told to the Politico reporter. This has to
do with an with an intramural fight inside the Young
Republican groups. Okay, there are personality conflicts. They are vying
for power. They want positions in these different caucuses or
conferences whatever they call them. Right, and so the lead
of all this stuff was meant to destroy their opponents
inside the Republican Party. Okay, so there's like this internecine
war going on among these people. I don't know any
of them, I don't care to know any of them.
Doesn't matter to me. But I can also see what
Politico is doing. Okay, together, this is the Politico article. Together,
The messages reveal a culture. See what they're doing. They're
broadening the lens. They're going to say, this is why
these six people and their messages that are vile. Even
if it's an attempt at humor. Some of this stuff
is not an attempted humor. It's just not. And here's
the thing. If you want to be a comedian, then
go take your material where you're dropping N bombs everywhere,
you're calling people racial slurs, right, go ahead and take
this material to the comedy seller or your local comedy joint.
Go ahead and use that material on a stage in
front of people. Do that there and see how it flies.
If you want to test out this comedic value, if
you are in an organization, particularly a political one, whose
goal is to build coalitions and get people elected so
they can then wield power, right, then this is not
the way you behave. I don't care how old you are.
And some of these people are in their thirties, okay,
like the young Republicans. These are people that are like
from their twenties all the way up to forty years old. Okay.
So it's not like they're just you know, youthful indiscretion
they're fourteen year olds or something. That's No, that's not
what's happening here. These are guys and gals in their
you know, mid twenties up to early thirties. In other words,
they should know better not just by their age, but
also by the mere fact that you are in a
professional organization where optics matter. Do not ever write anything
in an email that you don't want to see published
on the front page of the paper. That those are
words to live by. Okay, even Hunter Biden understood this.
You don't put it in an email. You talk about
it over the phone. You want to try out this
material with your buddy, you want to call them all
sorts of names in jests and stuff. Do it over
the phone, say it to him. Although now you can
probably just record the conversations easily. But here's what Politico
is trying to do. They want to broaden this out
and smear everybody with this. The messages reveal a culture
where racist, anti semitic, and violent rhetorics circulate freely. Here
you go, and where the Trump era loosening of political
norms has made such talk feel less taboo among those
positioning themselves as the party's next leader. So there you go.
It's Trump's fault. Trump made these people make anti semitic
and racisty comment. It's Trump's fault. No mention of j Jones,
no mention of the stochastic terrorism framework here that politico
is constructing right when it comes to Democrats, No, no, no,
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Republicans group chat. Yeah, and I got a message here
from the hellion on the text line, who says, my
young video game friends are ruthless on Discord, which is
a messaging and voice app. I mean, they say awful
things to each other. It's all in fun. They hope
somebody leaks theirs. Yeah, then keep it on Discord, use
your you know, gamer tag, use some anonymous name and
do it there. But again, hanging out with your friends
in a gaming chat room and dragging each other with
all sorts of offensive slurs, that's a different setting than
a group chat with all of the state party chairs
and vice chairs and all these poohbahs in your political organization.
And they knew this. By the way, Let me go
to the end of the Politico article, which, like seven
pages in Politico, does acknowledge. Many of the slurs, epithets,
and violent language used in the chat often appear to
be intended as jokes, and I agree with that they
were sure. In one instance, one of the members said
about bombing the Young Republican National Federation's convention in Nashville
and said, just kidding for our assigned FBI tracker. Right,
So he makes a joke about blowing up the place
if they don't win their local, their you know, organization's
election or whatever, and then makes a joke that the
FBI is monitoring the group chat. In another, he considered
the totality of the thousands of messages he and his
peers had written and what would happen if the public
saw them come to light. Quote, if we ever had
a leak of this chat, we would be cooked. Yes, correct?
Why would you say that? Because you know what you're
saying would not be received well. And when you are
in the business as these people are, of building a
coalition and trying to persuade people that yours is the
better philosophy, yours is the better way of governing, and
you are the better candidates to lead people, then this
sort of thing does not resonate with everybody. It's damaging
and hence we are seeing the damage. This is what happens. Correct,
you were correct, You're cooked. A lot of these people
now have been dismissed, They've been relieved of their duties.
Some have apologized, right, they've been condemned by various Republicans, which,
by the way, the best response to this I saw
was out of Virginia. The Virginia Democrat Party put out
a statement calling on the gubernatorial nominee for the Republicans win.
Some seers sears must call on all young Republicans implicated
in racist text scandal to step down from their positions,
and she responds, easy, they absolutely must step down. Now
it's your turn, Abigail, Right, because Abigail Spanberger has not
called for j Jones to step down. Like the Virginia
Democrats are just awful at this They're just terrible at
this game. See, and this is proof that they don't
really hold this standard for themselves. They just want the
standard to be applied to their political opponents. And that's
what I'm seeing from a lot of people on the right,
including I'm sad to say, Matt Walsh. They seem to
want this standard now to be obliterated for themselves, he said,
lining up to publicly denounce people on the right at
the behest of leftists to hate you and what you
dead is pathetic behavior. Yeah, I'm not denouncing any of
their behavior in these texts. I'm not denouncing these people
because the Left is asking me or demanding me, or
requesting it of me. I don't need them to do that.
Why would I need them. I don't listen to anything
the Left tells me to do anyway, Why would I
listen to them on this? I have my own agency.
I can make this decision for myself. It's not a
matter of what the left wants me to say, it's
what I want to say. Se because if I say this,
that means I have a consistent standard. And if you've
listened to me for any period of time, you know
that I constantly argue and advocate for a consistent application
of standards. So when somebody on the left says, hey,
I would like to murder my political opponent's kid, or
somebody should do that in order to affect his policy positions,
and I denounce that, I say that's unacceptable. You're creating
a permission structure for this kind of behavior and this
kind of talk. You shouldn't be saying this stuff. You
should be shunned. This is not decent. You should be shamed.
When somebody on the right says something similar, I can
also say, yeah, a consistent application of my standard is
that this is not decent. You should be shamed. That's
not acceptable. Matt Walsh says the right doesn't stick together.
That's our biggest problem. By far, I don't know. I
kind of think the infiltration of antisemites into the right
wing influence fear. I think that's a problem. I don't
think it's that we don't stick together. He says conservatives
are quick to denounce each other, jump on dog piles,
disavow attack their allies. I said a few weeks ago
that we all need to band together in the wake
of Charlie Kirk's death, and the answer I got back
from a lot of people on the right was basically no.
I was not aware of this call. I did not
see the rejections to band together on anything. I'm not
sure what he's talking about there, but okay, guys, then
we'll just lose instead. This is again another false choice.
You're giving me, a false dichotomy. I have to now
endorse Groyper's I have to now allow Nick Fouentes to
be some sort of a freaking spokesperson for conservatism when
the guy's a raging anti semi twink like, I don't know,
I'm not going to do that. I'm not going to
allow that guy to speak for me. But if I don't,
then that means I want to lose. That's absurd, that's stupid. Okay,
that is a false choice being foisted upon me. That
is a tactic of the left, hence the term woke.
And by the way, this is what has hollowed out
the Democrat Party. This inability to police your own, to
weed out the worst of actors out of your party.
That is why the left is in trouble right now.
That's why the Democrat Party is in so much trouble
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give you some of the reactions that are out there
regarding all of this. For example, Joel Berry, he is
the managing editor of The Babylon b He said something
I have noticed about this no enemies to the right phenomenon,
which I haven't said this yet this hour. So there
is this way of thinking that there are no enemies
to the right, Okay, and this is why, like you
can't criticize or you shouldn't criticize anybody to your right
because they're part of this coalition, you know, this movement.
No enemies to the right. I'm just going to keep
criticizing and targeting the left. No enemies to the right,
And that's just a stupid philosophy, it is. It's just stupid.
Of course, you can criticize people to your right, to
your left, on the right, on the left, if people
are behaving badly, you can criticize them, Absolutely you can.
But this idea that oh I can't. I can't criticize
Alex Jones, Nick Fuentes, Candice Owens, Tucker Carlson. I can't
criticize any of them because they're to the right. Well,
if you do that, Pete, you're going to destroy the
coalition and the whole movement and all of this. Yeah, no,
I but don't. I don't want to be associated with them.
I find some of the stuff that they say to
be abhorrent and if and a lot of it sounds
like it would be coming out of the mouths of
jeeh hottists and leftists. So no, I'm not going to
So when a left, when a registered Democrat says this stuff,
I criticize it. But because they're registered Republican, I'm not
supposed to pound sand Man. Seriously, pound sand That's what
having no principles is if you think that your principle
is no enemies to the right, that means you have
no principle except that because nothing matters as long as
somebody identifies as on the right, now you don't criticize them.
That's dumb anyway, Joel Berry says, the rules seem to
be that you're not allowed to attack anybody further right
than you, but people further right than you are allowed
to attack anybody on the right they want, Which makes sense,
right if you think about it. Let's say I am
at this position and you are to the right of me.
That means I can't criticize you, But you being to
the right of me means I am to the left
of you, which means you get to criticize me. See
what I mean. It's a stupid principle, He says. They
can call decent defective conservatives all sorts of names and
lists a bunch, but they could accuse you of plotting
to murder Charlie Kirk. But if you so much as
question their poor behavior, you are met with impassioned please
for unity. See the unity goes both ways, though it should.
That seems to be less of an appeal to unity
and more of a play to hand over the reins
of our entire movement to the most extreme and depraved
actors who claim to be on our side, quote unquote,
which seems unwise. This is why I called it a
psiop There are people with sociopathic and psychopathic personality types
that embed themselves in any kind of an organization at
any level, and they will seek to gain control of
it for their own personal use. And there are people
in the conservative movement on the right wing, these influencers
and stuff. There are people of that personality type I
can only assume that are seeking to to cannibalize what
Charlie Kirk built. They want his audience, they want his influence.
They are trying to hijack the movement that Charlie Kirk
was building, to the point where some of them are
accusing Charlie Kirk's own friends of somehow or another being
a part of an assassination on him, which is nuts.
It's just nuts. Tim Poole YouTuber, he did a breakdown
of all of the conspiracy theories the other day, all
these conspiracy theories about Charlie Kirk's murder, and he said
something that I have said for a very long time,
which is when you hear hoofs, think horses, not zebras right,
and the idea that all of these people around Charlie
Kirk that were helping him, that were being helped by him,
that built this movement, that loved him, that were friends
with him, that they somehow or another were involved in
his murder. And you got all these people that are
quote on the right that are spinning out all of
these these fantasies. I'm just asking questions, what do you
think it means? Israel did it? That is toxic. That
is the wedge they are using to drive into the
MAGA coalition, that is the SSIA. Recognize that for what
it is. A writer ag Hamilton, he says, it's basically
a rule that the right can't have standards, and those
who object and insist on standards are the problem. Growing
the tent is about finding people who have shared values
but some policy differences. It's not about inviting people in
who have completely different values and will alienate half the
people in the tent. Right. The reason the tent exists
is because it unifies people around certain principles. And if
you are advocating the abandonment of those principles, then you
shouldn't be in the tent. This is my argument with
like the woke leftists that infiltrate the churches first, like
you saw the Presbyterian Church. They just took down the
Methodist Church. Right, They get inside these churches and they
rip them apart from the inside. Rather than just going
off and starting your own church, just start your own church.
No no, no, we want to go in and take
over yours. We want to gut it. We want to
wear its skin as a suit, and we want everybody
to pay homage and tribute and respect to us as
we parade around in the skin suit of this formally
respected institution. Callin Wright with the Manhattan Institute noted that
the left got taken over by wokeness due to the
very same idea that there are no enemies to the
left sentiment. Everybody on the left had to be protected.
They could never say no, no, no, no, that's too far.
No no, no, they're too radical. What have I been
saying all this time? Democrats, you got a problem inside
your party. You need to root this crap out, and
they're not doing it. What do you think that's doing
to them. Obviously, it's not helping them. Moderate liberals weren't
even allowed to criticize the woke, but the woke were
allowed to call everybody else on the left racists and
transphobes for expressing even minor disagreements with them. Think jk Rowling,
who came out against the transgender stuff. She's of the left.
But because she said no, there were only women and
men and women's spaces should be protected, what happened to her? Right?
Pilloried by the more radical leftists because there are no
enemies to the left and she was to the right
of them on one issue. Do you think that that
has helped liberals? Do you think that's helped democrats? It
has not. We're seeing the same kind of cancer now
in the right, and I know a lot of people
on the right one to think that it couldn't possibly
happen to us because we have principles. They will use
those principles against you. That's how they operate. It is
a personality defect. Do not let it consume you. All right,
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