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Speaker 4: on to part two with Beloved Indiana University, professor of
Speaker 4: Slavic and Eastern European Languages and Culture, who helms the
Speaker 4: bonkers popular course The Vampire in European and American Culture,
Speaker 4: vamprologist doctor Jeff Holdeman. Can I ask you some listener questions?
Speaker 6: Oh?
Speaker 7: Absolutely, they had great ones. You know, you mentioned that
Speaker 7: every vampire is the one that the age needs, and
Speaker 7: so many people.
Speaker 5: Looking at you.
Speaker 4: Patrons Anthony Cherbino, Ali Vessels, Greg Wallach, Lauren Mesca Broda,
Speaker 4: Kelly King, Kathlyn Daling, Caitlin Owens, Alex Joseph Tarina, Felix Wolf,
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Speaker 4: with us, and first time question asking Maddy Hobson. They
Speaker 4: all want to know when did vampires get so horny?
Speaker 4: Why are they such heart throbs?
Speaker 7: And when did this idea that you're going to get
Speaker 7: seduced by a vampire?
Speaker 4: When did it start turning into that?
Speaker 8: So, if we think about it, the folkloric vampire is
Speaker 8: a reanimated corpse. It's going to stink like a reanimated corpse.
Speaker 5: That's hot, it's.
Speaker 8: Going to have a bloody mouth because it's perceived to
Speaker 8: be feeding on people. You do not want to be
Speaker 8: around a reanimated corpse.
Speaker 5: ORed.
Speaker 8: When we get through the nineteenth century of literature, all
Speaker 8: of these vampires, our very first vampires.
Speaker 9: Are all nobles.
Speaker 8: Lord Riven in the Vampire, Sir Francis Varney the Vampire,
Speaker 8: and Carmilla's a countess and Dracula's account the nobility has
Speaker 8: a castle and everything. So already in nineteenth century, when
Speaker 8: we're trying to demonize the nobility, right, what better way
Speaker 8: of trying to tear them down than to call him
Speaker 8: vampires people who take more than their fair share, who
Speaker 8: suck us dry of our life force.
Speaker 10: News flash, John, the super rich, they're not like us.
Speaker 8: We get the introduction of beauty. Lord Riven is hypnotizing.
Speaker 8: He's got this weird gray eye, but he's still captivating, charming, mesmerizing,
Speaker 8: and people still keep inviting him into their house to
Speaker 8: meet their daughters.
Speaker 4: That was the story based on Lord Byron Varney.
Speaker 8: The vampire is still a noble and is clever and
Speaker 8: smart and powerful. Carmilla is described as being just supernaturally beautiful,
Speaker 8: and she's charming, and she's coquettish, and she is passionate,
Speaker 8: and then Count Dracula is hypnotizing, and he's wealthy. He's
Speaker 8: got piles of money with dust on him in his castle,
Speaker 8: and he, you know, can control the weather, and he
Speaker 8: can control people's actions, and he can control wolves and
Speaker 8: everything else that arms escalation starts already by then, with
Speaker 8: beauty and with abilities and with wealth. When you're undead.
Speaker 8: When you're undying, you remember the old times, which then
Speaker 8: means that you're this automatic historian. So you're smart and
Speaker 8: you remember things and you've seen people's actions over a
Speaker 8: very long period of time. Nos Ferratu dead end because
Speaker 8: nobody wants to be with mos Ferratu.
Speaker 9: Belle Lagos.
Speaker 8: He's like, he's kind of older, he's like but he's
Speaker 8: got tuxedo on, and he's like he's debonair, and he's
Speaker 8: got this way of speaking, and he's kind of, you know, mysterious,
Speaker 8: and he's got these eyes that are enchanting, and he
Speaker 8: can control people. And I tell my students that were
Speaker 8: one of the mysteries we have to solve is how
Speaker 8: do you go from a reanimated corpse to a.
Speaker 9: Viilf This is a vampire like counicate with.
Speaker 4: A Phil bless this man, protect him.
Speaker 8: So why in the world would you want to be
Speaker 8: with this gross, re animated corpse. Well, you clean them
Speaker 8: up and you give them lots of money, and you
Speaker 8: make them really smart, and then what we need that
Speaker 8: they're still predators, right, there's still dangerous. In nineteen seventy three,
Speaker 8: we get Jack Paul Lance from do you remember Ripley's Believe.
Speaker 1: It or Not? Oh?
Speaker 4: Yeah, I remember that show. But maybe what some people
Speaker 4: immediately think of with Jack Palance is him winning an
Speaker 4: Academy Award for City Slickers in nineteen ninety one, and
Speaker 4: during his Oscar acceptance speech he paused to do some
Speaker 4: one handed pushups. He was seventy three at the time.
Speaker 4: And one thing I never associate Jack Palince with as
Speaker 4: a leathery fitness buff is the nineteen seventy four British
Speaker 4: made for TV version of Dracula starring him.
Speaker 11: Many motion pictures claim to be horrific. Now comes one
Speaker 11: which reaches a new height in Unobated Terror, the bram
Speaker 11: Stoko masterpiece Dracula.
Speaker 8: Jack plans an amazing voice and everything, and he is
Speaker 8: our first remorseful vampire. He feels bad about being a
Speaker 8: vampire about having to drink human's blood and he still
Speaker 8: has to do it, but he feels bad about it.
Speaker 8: Introducing that to make us want to have compassion for
Speaker 8: him then takes off, and then we get this bifurcation
Speaker 8: of vampire types where there either is the solely evil
Speaker 8: vampire or there's a vampire that's remorseful about their nature.
Speaker 8: And again, this is the seventies, and we're like trying
Speaker 8: to understand psychologically why people are the way they are,
Speaker 8: and we're in therapy and we're trying to heal and
Speaker 8: I'm okay, You're okay, And this is the way that
Speaker 8: people are different, and maybe I can overcome my alcohol
Speaker 8: are my addictions, and maybe there's something about my nature
Speaker 8: that I can overcome. I'm still redeemable.
Speaker 4: Of course, every human is redeemable. But before the nineteen
Speaker 4: fifties or so, the notion of introspection wasn't super popular.
Speaker 4: So what changed things? Well, rewind a few decades actually,
Speaker 4: to nineteen thirty six, when Dale Carnegie published How to
Speaker 4: Win Friends and Influence People, and then a year later
Speaker 4: Napoleon Hill wrote the book Think and Grow Rich. But
Speaker 4: by the early nineteen fifties, self help was beginning to
Speaker 4: grow as kind of an industry, And what corracked the
Speaker 4: door open a little more was a clergyman, an author
Speaker 4: named Norman Vincent Peel, writing this massively popular best selling title,
Speaker 4: The Power of Positive Thinking. So by the nineteen seventies,
Speaker 4: a whole generation had been raised with this mindset that
Speaker 4: maybe we could control our lives with our minds. And
Speaker 4: now the self help industry has a firm hold on us.
Speaker 4: It makes about ten billion dollars a year in the
Speaker 4: US alone, which is why I'm really excited to announce
Speaker 4: I'm finally writing a book. It's called how to Stop
Speaker 4: buying self help books and spend the money feeding raccoons
Speaker 4: corn dogs instead. That's not true, but I bet if
Speaker 4: I wrote that book, I could probably buy a boat. Also,
Speaker 4: do not feed raccoons any corn dogs. They can have
Speaker 4: worms that can eat your brain and kill you. You can
Speaker 4: see the Prosionology two parter on raccoons for more on that.
Speaker 5: But anyway.
Speaker 4: In nineteen seventy two, the book I'm Okay, You're Okay,
Speaker 4: by California based psychiatrist Thomas Anthony Harris enjoyed just a
Speaker 4: cozy spot on the bestseller list for years and in
Speaker 4: the nineteen seventies. This was a big breakthrough for pop
Speaker 4: psychology and the notion that our childhood experiences still affect
Speaker 4: how we regulate or don't regulate our own emotions and
Speaker 4: thus our behaviors. So while vampires may not have a reflection,
Speaker 4: they do mirror the zeitgeist.
Speaker 8: I'm not stake worthy anymore. Maybe I should be given
Speaker 8: a chance. And then that evolves and we get vampires
Speaker 8: that are then more and more desirable. They go from
Speaker 8: you know, the kind of bad boy. It's like, I
Speaker 8: know he's dangerous, bod, he's hot, and he drives a motorcycle,
Speaker 8: and this James Dean turns into lost boys and there's
Speaker 8: a desire to be with the demon lover.
Speaker 5: I'd like to try.
Speaker 8: And then we just keep adding on every movie that
Speaker 8: we get there's some other way of overcoming this badness,
Speaker 8: and then we get like, well, maybe I won't drink
Speaker 8: human blood, but I'll drink animal blood.
Speaker 9: Or maybe maybe you know.
Speaker 8: Pete is going to get mad at that, so maybe
Speaker 8: we could come up with a synthetic blood that then
Speaker 8: doesn't harm anybody.
Speaker 4: Which side note is kind of the narrative hook of
Speaker 4: the HBO series called True Blood, which is set in
Speaker 4: this time when synthetic blood called true Blood is on
Speaker 4: the market, leading to what's called the Great Revelation, which
Speaker 4: allowed vampires to come out of the coffin, they say,
Speaker 4: and enjoy their parahuman human rights and true blood. The
Speaker 4: substance wasn't supposed to be delicious. One character described it
Speaker 4: as giving up your favorite meal for slim fast shakes forever.
Speaker 4: But it gets a job done and hello in real
Speaker 4: life today, somewhere so many people are alive human beings
Speaker 4: choosing to drink soilent. So true blood is pretty plausible
Speaker 4: considering it's convenient and portable and allows you to stop
Speaker 4: murdering people. But is there something more permanent than having
Speaker 4: to keep buying cases of fake blood at costco.
Speaker 8: Maybe there's a cure, right, We still don't get cures
Speaker 8: for vamporism at that point because rather than fixing people,
Speaker 8: and there's so many problems that still haven't been fixed,
Speaker 8: it's like, maybe it's living with this condition, which is
Speaker 8: the important thing. These people don't deserve to be executed
Speaker 8: or locked up. Maybe we can reform them. And then
Speaker 8: we want to hear that story, and we want to
Speaker 8: hear their backstory too, and that's all of a sudden.
Speaker 8: From that point on, all of our vampire movies have
Speaker 8: the flashback of like, you know why this person became
Speaker 8: a vampire?
Speaker 9: Now you know what we are.
Speaker 6: Now you know what you are.
Speaker 10: You never growled, Michael, and you'll never die, but you
Speaker 10: must feed.
Speaker 8: It's this exact same fascination with the origin stories of
Speaker 8: people and then of why they are the way they
Speaker 8: are in life and can you overcome your dangerous urges?
Speaker 8: And can you be trusted anymore?
Speaker 4: Which brings us to your crotch and the horniest of
Speaker 4: all the reanimated.
Speaker 8: Corpses, Edward Cullen, is the manifestation of this. People always
Speaker 8: ask me, like, do you like Twilight and this Twilight saga?
Speaker 8: Do you like those books? Do you like that movie?
Speaker 8: I'm like, it doesn't matter if I like them. The
Speaker 8: point is that a lot of people did, and every
Speaker 8: age creates a vampire that it needs. There had to
Speaker 8: be something resonating about Edward Cullen that spoke to so
Speaker 8: many millions and millions and millions of people that they
Speaker 8: wanted to be with him. And it's not just the
Speaker 8: demon lover, and it's the person who is able to
Speaker 8: stay under control.
Speaker 1: Right.
Speaker 8: Bella wants it, and Edward's like, oh no, I can't.
Speaker 8: And it's like the you know, the perfect boyfriend who
Speaker 8: wants to wait until after they're married, and and you know,
Speaker 8: she's like begging for it and probing and pushing and everything.
Speaker 8: He's like, no, no, Bella, I can't, you know, and
Speaker 8: like pulls himself away and all this kind of wonderful
Speaker 8: and chaste imagery and everything. He is the ideal boyfriend, right,
Speaker 8: And Charlie's you know, got his shotgun. He's like cleaning
Speaker 8: the gun on the table and it's like ready to
Speaker 8: meet Edward.
Speaker 11: All right, bring me.
Speaker 5: To be nice. He's he's important.
Speaker 8: Then Edward brings Bella home, you know, like one minute
Speaker 8: before curfew.
Speaker 9: It's hard to not like this guy.
Speaker 5: Listen.
Speaker 4: I had to edit here because Jeff dropped so many
Speaker 4: plot points spoilers. I had to cut him out because
Speaker 4: maybe some people out there are going to queue up
Speaker 4: Twilight tonight for the first time to psychoanalyze the whole thing,
Speaker 4: and I didn't want an angry mob trying to burn
Speaker 4: me in a barn.
Speaker 8: Okay, we can have the demon lover who is reformed,
Speaker 8: who's learned to control his urges, like the whole family has, right,
Speaker 8: So you know, the Collins House is a halfway house, right.
Speaker 8: They've all learned to kick the habit and they're all
Speaker 8: living together this vegetarian lifestyle. Again, Pete's going to get
Speaker 8: mad or and the Sierra Club is going to get
Speaker 8: mad because they're out hunting mountain lions. But other than that,
Speaker 8: you know, at least they're not killing humans.
Speaker 4: I immediately was like, dude, why don't they just eat
Speaker 4: squirrels or start like a gopher catching business at a
Speaker 4: golf course. But I looked into it and Twilight author
Speaker 4: Stephanie Meyer apparently has said that she thinks predators would
Speaker 4: taste better than herb of wares, and that checks out.
Speaker 4: But I was like, what is stuff Meyer's deal? And
Speaker 4: I knew she's like religious, she's a member of the
Speaker 4: Church of Latter day Saints a kay Mormons, but I
Speaker 4: didn't realize that that is why there is such a
Speaker 4: push for abstinence only activities, if you will, until marriage.
Speaker 5: In these movies.
Speaker 4: This woman delivered us the hottest, most brooding vampire who's
Speaker 4: also sensitive, and then is like wait for a ring.
Speaker 4: But you know what, one person's fantasy genre is another's horror. Also,
Speaker 4: before Twilight, Stephanie Meyer had never written a book. Before
Speaker 4: she had a dream about the plot. She woke up
Speaker 4: a little horny injection.
Speaker 9: That's pure conjecture, objection overbold.
Speaker 4: But anyway, she wrote about it and now she makes
Speaker 4: tens of millions of dollars a year.
Speaker 5: And then E. L.
Speaker 4: James, who somehow churned out literary work that we call
Speaker 4: books the Fifty Shade series, started those books as fanfic
Speaker 4: of Twilight. What is my point? My point is, if
Speaker 4: you have an idea for a book, please write it
Speaker 4: this right here. This is a signal from the univers
Speaker 4: you've been waiting for. Okay, picture me standing over your
Speaker 4: bed in the shadowy moonlight. I'm holding a frying pan
Speaker 4: and I'm telling you I will swat my own head
Speaker 4: with it if you don't start your book. And actually,
Speaker 4: November is National Novel Writing Month via a nonprofit called
Speaker 4: Nano Raimo, which stands for National Novel Writing Month and
Speaker 4: Nano Raimo started over twenty years ago as a challenge
Speaker 4: for people to write fifty thousand words of a novel
Speaker 4: in thirty days, and according to their site, now each year,
Speaker 4: on November first, hundreds of thousands of people around the
Speaker 4: world begin to write, determined to end the month with
Speaker 4: fifty thousand words of a brand new novel. They enter
Speaker 4: the month as elementary school teachers, mechanics, or stay at
Speaker 4: home parents. They leave novelists. How inspiring is that? So
Speaker 4: nanoorimo dot org, I'm linking them in the show notes
Speaker 4: and we're going to donate to them this month as well.
Speaker 4: So Nana Ramo, write a book, do it for future
Speaker 4: you and do it for me with a frying pan.
Speaker 4: But yes, back to Edward and Bella and eating mountain
Speaker 4: lions instead of people.
Speaker 8: And now we can live happily ever after, actually completely
Speaker 8: ever after, ever after, forever, forever and ever. And so
Speaker 8: this is that evolution that we get. It's really really amazing,
Speaker 8: and at each step there is it can't happen overnight.
Speaker 9: We had.
Speaker 8: Varney the Vampire is actually as technically our first remorseful vampire.
Speaker 8: Do you think you'll ever read this?
Speaker 4: Oh no, but I'll take a spoiler.
Speaker 9: Okay, good.
Speaker 8: So Varney is unable to control himself and attempts at
Speaker 8: killing him have failed. And failed and failed all through
Speaker 8: the four hundred plus pages, and he throws himself into
Speaker 8: Mount Vesuvius. Oh what a death, and self cremates. Wonderful.
Speaker 8: He's so remorseful and he can't be killed. And the
Speaker 8: one way to really truly cremate a vampire. It's one
Speaker 8: thing to like, you know, decapitate and burn them. It's
Speaker 8: another to be thrown into the bowels of the earth
Speaker 8: and to be cremated by Mount Vesuvius. That's wonderful. Rum
Speaker 8: The people at that time just did not need that vampire.
Speaker 8: They still needed nobles to be villains. And we just
Speaker 8: don't pick up that thread for another one hundred and
Speaker 8: thirty years until Jack Palance. That's amazing. We just we
Speaker 8: needed the literary vampire, the cinematic vampire, to be evil
Speaker 8: and an enemy and something that we know how to
Speaker 8: identify and name and stake and destroy up until seventies
Speaker 8: when we decide that, you know, maybe maybe bad people
Speaker 8: can be reformed, maybe we can overcome our shortcomings, and
Speaker 8: then that makes everybody salvageable.
Speaker 9: At that point.
Speaker 8: Every step is a product of the time, right, every
Speaker 8: age creates the vampire that it needs. Every step of
Speaker 8: softening that vampire and making them more attractable and making
Speaker 8: them more marriageable is important. It's an amazing evolution. I've
Speaker 8: ordered the movies, the six hundred and fifty or so
Speaker 8: movies in my syllabus in chronological order, and if you
Speaker 8: want to watch all of them in chronological order, you
Speaker 8: can actually see that development over time. It's absolutely fascinating.
Speaker 8: We can track when the first time a trait gets introduced.
Speaker 4: So set aside a few months and watch six hundred
Speaker 4: and fifty movies. Okay, So that was the first question.
Speaker 4: Second question, patrons Ali Vessels, Zombat, Angela Clark, Christian Krup,
Speaker 4: Alex Parrish, six Sugar, and Pachica asked permission to enter
Speaker 4: the conversation with the query.
Speaker 7: So many people want to know when did they have
Speaker 7: to get invited in? Was that something that's super historical
Speaker 7: or did that emerge in like nineteen eighty five?
Speaker 8: This is from folklore, so many of these things. Again,
Speaker 8: the literary vampire didn't just immediately be born out of nothing.
Speaker 8: This is just importing all of these traits from the
Speaker 8: folkloric vampire selectively at first, and then when the well
Speaker 8: runs dry, we dig somewhere else people will go back
Speaker 8: to these old sources that the Perkowski book has folklore
Speaker 8: from lots of countries. And you can tell that people
Speaker 8: have been reading this book and they hear this word
Speaker 8: moder roi and they're ooh, I've got to put that
Speaker 8: in Vampire Academy.
Speaker 5: Okay.
Speaker 4: Side note for more on vampirology, hit the two thousand
Speaker 4: and six scholarly reference book Vampire Lore Writings of Jan
Speaker 4: Lewis Perkowski, which is a textbook in Jeff's class, and
Speaker 4: buried in all this literary history are mentions of the
Speaker 4: mroy which now appear as characters in the Netflix series
Speaker 4: Vampire Academy. And Moroy are mortal, but they're magical creatures
Speaker 4: who can go out during the day but with parasols,
Speaker 4: and they have human blood sources called feeders that they
Speaker 4: sip from but they don't kill. And they have more
Speaker 4: troubled and kind of bitchy counterparts called this trigg oi,
Speaker 4: and those will drink you dead and or infect you
Speaker 4: with simmering rage and the blood munchies. And in Roman mythology,
Speaker 4: stragoi means a troubled spirit. And yeah, maybe they're just angry,
Speaker 4: maybe they have low blood blood.
Speaker 8: Sugar, and so there's always this pulling from folklore. And
Speaker 8: in Central and Eastern Europe you didn't let people who
Speaker 8: you don't know into your house. So I am an
Speaker 8: ethnographer and I go out into the villages in Poland
Speaker 8: and Lithuania every summer, and a stranger walking into a village.
Speaker 8: Even today, people are suspicious. You can see people watching
Speaker 8: out of their windows. It doesn't help that I go
Speaker 8: and work in cemeteries too, but bill often you'll see me.
Speaker 8: The road only leads to the cemetery, and then you know,
Speaker 8: like somebody shows up thirty minutes later just to you know,
Speaker 8: water the.
Speaker 9: Flowers, water coincidence.
Speaker 8: And then they're like, so what are you doing here?
Speaker 8: And then we talk and I explain what I'm doing,
Speaker 8: and then they're welcoming. Once I'm a known quantity, I'm
Speaker 8: welcomed in. But you wouldn't welcome in somebody who didn't know,
Speaker 8: especially in this prema, in time when they're diseases, so
Speaker 8: you don't know if somebody's a murderer. You don't know
Speaker 8: if someone's a thief, and you don't know if someone's
Speaker 8: a plague bearer. And so it's safer to keep them
Speaker 8: either keep them completely out of your village, or if
Speaker 8: they come up to keep them on the other side
Speaker 8: of the fence and talk at a distance. And I
Speaker 8: have a lot of people who will do that, and
Speaker 8: then if they judge that I'm safe, then they'll let
Speaker 8: me in and then we'll be in their yard for
Speaker 8: a while. And then if they judge that I'm safe,
Speaker 8: then they'll invite. You know, oh, you must be thirsty.
Speaker 8: How about if you come into the house and then
Speaker 8: according to Central and East European tradition, you have to
Speaker 8: feed a person and give them something to drink. And
Speaker 8: so you know, I go from the person who's looking
Speaker 8: at me with suspicion to the person who's like feeding
Speaker 8: me and giving me drink and saying, next time you're
Speaker 8: in the village, you can come and stay in my
Speaker 8: spare room. That tradition, though, of not inviting strangers is
Speaker 8: very old, and it's very logical. And what the weird
Speaker 8: thing that has then happened is we've again before it
Speaker 8: would just be don't invite a person in.
Speaker 9: And now you know.
Speaker 8: True Blood, if you watch True Blood.
Speaker 4: I'm familiar with it, but I haven't watched a lot
Speaker 4: of it.
Speaker 8: Now you'll have a reason to go and watch it.
Speaker 8: But you'll have a you'll invite a vampire in, and
Speaker 8: then if they do something you don't like, you say
Speaker 8: out loud.
Speaker 6: I'm sending your invitation to my house.
Speaker 8: I rescind my invitation into my house, and then the
Speaker 8: vampire like gets dragged out supernaturally out of the house.
Speaker 8: That's that arms escalation, things that just go over the top,
Speaker 8: and we we get that now. We get either like
Speaker 8: people will bleed if they come into a house uninvited,
Speaker 8: or they trick people to being invited, or they buy
Speaker 8: the house and then it's not their house anymore, and
Speaker 8: then I can come in wherever I want to. There
Speaker 8: are always these logical hurdles to get around being invited in,
Speaker 8: And again that's the money. We'll get you into people's house.
Speaker 8: Intelligence will get you into people's house. Brute force will
Speaker 8: get you into people's house. Your status will get you
Speaker 8: into people's house.
Speaker 4: Just a side note, I watched a scene from True
Speaker 4: Blood where an invite was rescinded and in the scene,
Speaker 4: instantly like some thunder rumbles and the front door flings
Speaker 4: open in a wind and the vampire just glides backwards,
Speaker 4: and the comments on the YouTube video were about how
Speaker 4: this breakup scene was supposed to be sad, but how
Speaker 4: people just howl with laughter at it, and one YouTuber
Speaker 4: Wika forty nine to ninety one commented, I always picture
Speaker 4: a random stage crew member pulling him backwards on a skateboard.
Speaker 5: Just whoosh, band cut.
Speaker 8: We get to see this in a good form in Dracula,
Speaker 8: where they are these good people who are fighting Dracula,
Speaker 8: among whom are wealthy people and knowledgeable people and noble people,
Speaker 8: and they use their status to commit all these crimes.
Speaker 8: But because they're good people and they're doing it for
Speaker 8: a good reason, and because nobody would doubt that they
Speaker 8: were up to anything bad, they can also break into
Speaker 8: these places like where Dracula lives and where he has
Speaker 8: his stashed boxes of earth all over London and the
Speaker 8: neighboring areas as well. We keep seeing this idea pop
Speaker 8: up in movies and literature in funny ways. So either
Speaker 8: we do it and it has become a standard norm,
Speaker 8: or we've turned it into something that's absolutely ridiculous, and
Speaker 8: sometimes in a comedy, then that's going to be really
Speaker 8: really funny.
Speaker 4: Well, what about garlic asked patrons Rachel Kashia, Ali Vessels,
Speaker 4: Melanie Metzger, Britney Peak, Michael McLeod, Lucas O'Neil, Super, Sarah
Speaker 4: Holly Spencer, Cassie Chowan and hold Avon, Aaron Ryan, Lizzy Carr,
Speaker 4: r J. Deutche, Hannah Boyd, Michelle Zen Graf, Margo Lex
Speaker 4: Clearwater and Nicole plus. First time question asker is Janelle
Speaker 4: Faraj and Olivia French, as well as listener Slash Farmer
Speaker 4: Scott Nichols, who offered if any of you are having
Speaker 4: vampire problems, I have garlic. When did the garlic trope
Speaker 4: come up?
Speaker 8: Garlic is old so in Central and Eastern Europe. Garlic
Speaker 8: is medicine. Garlic is medicine. Distilled alcohol is medicine. Vocal
Speaker 8: honey is medicine. Right, honey doesn't go bad, and are
Speaker 8: distilled alcohol. You can use that to clean cuts and
Speaker 8: to reduce pain. And garlic is just very healthful. And
Speaker 8: the interesting thing is, unlike onion, which will make your
Speaker 8: mouth stink, when you eat garlic, it comes out of
Speaker 8: your pores. I can remember being in Russia for the
Speaker 8: first time in nineteen ninety two and right after the
Speaker 8: fall of the Soviet Union, alcohol was really really cheap,
Speaker 8: and people would just like put three fingers on their shirt,
Speaker 8: meaning you know, I need two other people to split
Speaker 8: the cost of a bottle of vodka with me. Go
Speaker 8: into the park, and you can never In Central and
Speaker 8: Eastern Europe, you never drink without eating. Oh and so
Speaker 8: one of the things you can eat is garlic.
Speaker 4: Okay, look this up and he's not lying. In Ukraine,
Speaker 4: vodka is known as hurrialka, which derives from a root
Speaker 4: word meaning it burns. And apparently it's very uncouth to
Speaker 4: drink harilka without nibbling on things like thinly sliced pork
Speaker 4: fat which is called sallow, or munch in it with
Speaker 4: garlic pickles. Will that help you in any way? I
Speaker 4: don't know about the heroica, but the garlic mite. And
Speaker 4: according to many, many, many published stories like the twenty
Speaker 4: fifteen Journal of Immunology report Immunomodulation and anti inflammatory Effects
Speaker 4: of garlic compounds. It reports that Alium setavum, which is
Speaker 4: garlic's birth name, can enhance the immune system by stimulating
Speaker 4: certain cell types like quote macrophages, lymphocytes, natural killer cells,
Speaker 4: dendritic cells, and eosinophills by mechanisms including modulation of cytokine secretion,
Speaker 4: immunoglobulin production, pagocytosis, and macrophase activation. Sure is, what the
Speaker 4: fuck does that mean? So it modulates inflammatory responses and
Speaker 4: also helps your immune system attack invaders like maybe not
Speaker 4: dead corpse invaders who are mad at you, but it's
Speaker 4: worth a shot. But why so, stinky? I needed to know,
Speaker 4: and I found out that sulfur compounds are released while
Speaker 4: your body metabolizes garlic, and one chemical alyl methyl sulfide,
Speaker 4: can't be broken down, so our body is like, Okay,
Speaker 4: take this to the dump via your blood highway and
Speaker 4: then just exit via the off ramps your lungs and skin.
Speaker 4: So yes, even if you are tube fed garlic straight
Speaker 4: into your stomach, you will still have garlic breath, which
Speaker 4: is what one physician discovered in the nineteen thirties with
Speaker 4: a patient who probably did not appreciate it. But other
Speaker 4: docs are on the case too. There's this one researcher,
Speaker 4: doctor Cheryl Barringer of Ohio State University, who has authored
Speaker 4: so many papers on the matter of garlic breath, including
Speaker 4: the twenty seventeen Journal of Food science Banger deodorization of
Speaker 4: garlic breath by foods and the role of polyphenal oxidate
Speaker 4: and phenola compounds in the deodorization of garlic breath, and
Speaker 4: I've read a bunch of it. The TLDR is that
Speaker 4: drinking milk or something with fat and water with garlic
Speaker 4: and a meal can help break down that alwyl methyl
Speaker 4: sulfide that stinks. And if you're like who chugs milk
Speaker 4: these days unless it's a latte, you can try acidic
Speaker 4: lemon juice or raw apple, which can also break down
Speaker 4: that sulfur so that it won't have to take the
Speaker 4: blood highway out of your lungs and skin. It can
Speaker 4: take the regular southbound exits the turnpike to the toilet instead. Now,
Speaker 4: herbs can also work, and according to doctor Barryh's other paper,
Speaker 4: Deodorization of Garlic odor by Fresh and dried Herbs from
Speaker 4: twenty twenty one, the team found that fresh rosemary had
Speaker 4: the strongest deodorization effect among the fresh herbs, while dried
Speaker 4: mint had the strongest effect among the dried herbs. So
Speaker 4: munch some roseberry or have some mint tea. Perhaps now
Speaker 4: this is only slightly related, but it's my show, so
Speaker 4: I'm just gonna do one more tell you. The world
Speaker 4: garlic capital is Gilroy, California, which is the smallish municipality
Speaker 4: between San Francisco and Santa Barbara, and the entire freeway
Speaker 4: stretch through Gilroy smells like fikasha, God bless it. And
Speaker 4: they have a yearly garlic festival that involves garlic ice
Speaker 4: cream and so many wonders. And somehow I wound up
Speaker 4: on Gilroy's official city website and saw that their local
Speaker 4: botanical gardens host a Halloween show for children. And who's
Speaker 4: on stage, Buff Frankenstein. They got a ghost and a vampire.
Speaker 4: Excuse me, Gilroy, You're the garlic capital of the world,
Speaker 4: and somehow you casually thoughtlessly feature a vampire in your
Speaker 4: Halloween show. Your whole October branding message should be the
Speaker 4: world's safest haven from vampires. No vampires here. Visit Gilroy
Speaker 4: and leave your chainmail turtlenecks behind. Capitalize on this, Gilroy.
Speaker 5: I'm not mad.
Speaker 4: I just expected more from you, I guess anyway. Yes,
Speaker 4: Jeff remembers well the food and beverage culture of Eastern Europe,
Speaker 4: the hard stuff at lunch with a side of garlic lard,
Speaker 4: and honestly, it's probably delicious on the way down.
Speaker 8: But I can remember being on the trams and just
Speaker 8: smelling these people who smell like they're pickled between the
Speaker 8: vodka and the garlic coming out of them. But it's
Speaker 8: really high in vita vitamins and everything, and it grows well,
Speaker 8: it grows abundantly in the conditions of Central and Eastern Europe,
Speaker 8: and it has that magical property of coming out of
Speaker 8: your skin and it's stinky. So if you can imagine,
Speaker 8: onion might protect your mouth, which is an important orifice
Speaker 8: to protect, but garlic protects your whole body. And so
Speaker 8: you then have the full traditions of smearing garlic over
Speaker 8: the window sills, any place where a vampire could come in,
Speaker 8: any place where something evil could come in, any portal,
Speaker 8: you then smear with garlic, and that's just a long
Speaker 8: old tradition. So you can eat it and it makes
Speaker 8: you healthy, and you can smear your your windows with
Speaker 8: it in order to protect. And that falls into what
Speaker 8: we call an apotropaic atropane to turn away an evil
Speaker 8: spirit go negi, and so garlic is an apotropaic. It'll
Speaker 8: repel vampires so an ounce of prevention is worth a
Speaker 8: pound of cure. Right, So it's it's really hard to
Speaker 8: kill a vampire. It's a whole lot easier just to
Speaker 8: keep them away.
Speaker 4: And we will devour them in a minute. But first
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Speaker 4: First up, a bunch of you patrons at Patreon dot
Speaker 4: comp slashologies such as Lauren Masca, Broda, Justin Socido, take
Speaker 4: up Elsbury, Nikki DeMarco, Stephanie Leski, Zombat, Chelsea rabble On
Speaker 4: behalf of Bob Bradley, their boyfriend's dad. And Joel Henderson
Speaker 4: made me ask this pointed question.
Speaker 7: One of the last listener questions. We had a ton
Speaker 7: of people wanted to know about fangs, which is great.
Speaker 7: Joe Portefido wanted to know are they able to use
Speaker 7: their fangs like straws to suck blood or do they
Speaker 7: pierce and then they suck with their mouth?
Speaker 4: Do they pop out? Are the fangs always out?
Speaker 7: What do you think historically of different fang styles.
Speaker 8: Great, So we have to distinguish between the folkloric vampire
Speaker 8: and the literary vampire. Here to make that distinction, so
Speaker 8: the folkloric vampire, there are a lot of things that
Speaker 8: fit and take our blood in real life. So if
Speaker 8: you've ever had an outside dog and found an engorged
Speaker 8: tick on it, you can very quickly see how the
Speaker 8: you know, the Bulgarians imagine the vampire is just a
Speaker 8: bag of blood that kind of looks like a like
Speaker 8: a like a Bulgarian bag pipe full of blood. That
Speaker 8: also explains because they don't have bones. That also explains
Speaker 8: how they would get in and out of a out
Speaker 8: of a grave. Think of ticks, and think of leeches,
Speaker 8: and think of fleas, and think of bed bugs and
Speaker 8: mosquitoes and Ali, did you know that there are vampire finches?
Speaker 7: I thought bats were the only ones, But I mean
Speaker 7: vampire finches amazing.
Speaker 8: Madrillennial butterflies, vampires blood suckers. The assassin kissing kissing bug
Speaker 8: blood suckers. The candidus that's the one that will like
Speaker 8: you're you know, in South America and you're peeing in
Speaker 8: the water and it like jumps up into your urethra, no,
Speaker 8: thank you. And lamb preise and lice and things. These
Speaker 8: are all natural blood suckers.
Speaker 4: Vampire finches. I know that that sounds fake, like attacks
Speaker 4: evating flamingo, but it's true.
Speaker 5: They exist.
Speaker 4: And these little birdies with sharp beaks live on two
Speaker 4: of the Galapagos Islands. And while they would love to
Speaker 4: be eating seeds and drinking fresh water, the islands are
Speaker 4: a bit arid, so they're simply forced. They are forced
Speaker 4: to find a sad sit on its ass and peck
Speaker 4: its wingtips to drink their blood. They must do it, so, yes,
Speaker 4: they bloodsuckle blue footed boobies, and the world is weird. Also,
Speaker 4: vampire bats, which likely started by eating ectoparasites and then
Speaker 4: just kind of cut out the middle bug and went
Speaker 4: straight for the blood. They puncture little fang holes and
Speaker 4: then they just lap up what bleeds out. But what's
Speaker 4: even creepier is that vampire bats, unlike most other bats,
Speaker 4: can run on land on their wings. They just bound
Speaker 4: around like beautiful furry little ghules. Videos of it are haunting.
Speaker 4: But out of fourteen hundred species of bats on Earth,
Speaker 4: only three species are vampire bats, and they are endemic.
Speaker 4: To northern Mexico and Central America and a few countries
Speaker 4: in South America. But speaking of regions and kind of
Speaker 4: eerie hopping around, patron Nathan Andrew Leaflight left a comment
Speaker 4: in this week's discussion thread on Patreon to tell me
Speaker 4: about the folklore of the jungshi, or Chinese hopping vampires,
Speaker 4: which are a reanimated corpse, sometimes fresh looking, sometimes horrifically decomposed.
Speaker 4: It really depends on how all in you want to
Speaker 4: go with your makeup, and jungshi means stiff, and so
Speaker 4: a proper impersonation involves hopping like a bunny with outstretched
Speaker 4: Frankenstein arms. And Nathan Andrew also casually told me to
Speaker 4: look up Southeast Asian panangallin, which sounds kind of like
Speaker 4: a type of omelet or like a custard dessert. But no,
Speaker 4: oh no, I'm going to read you a small slice
Speaker 4: of the Workipedia entry for penangalon, because that's plenty. It
Speaker 4: says quote. Its form is that of a floating, disembodied
Speaker 4: woman's head with its trailing organs still attached from afar.
Speaker 4: It twinkles like a ball of flame, just a glowing
Speaker 4: vampiric ball of decapitation and entrails. Nothing to see here now,
Speaker 4: Same thing with the African Ashanti folkloric entities called oba Efo,
Speaker 4: which are vampire witches that at night are said to
Speaker 4: emit a phosphorescent light from their armpits and anus. Do
Speaker 4: you know how boring and Dracula costume is at a
Speaker 4: party when you could have a luminous and butthole, get
Speaker 4: a couple glow sticks? Think outside the coffin? Will you
Speaker 4: happy Halloween? Also for more on bats and ticks and
Speaker 4: body farms and bones. You can see the other spook
Speaker 4: Toberologies episodes anytime of the year really, but we'll link
Speaker 4: them in the show notes for this. But yes, back
Speaker 4: to Jeff and Eastern European and American vamps.
Speaker 8: So you can see that comparison these things around us
Speaker 8: in Central and Eastern Europe, at least half of those
Speaker 8: things are feeding blood from us. And then how do
Speaker 8: you get blood out of a victim? It's got to
Speaker 8: be something sharp. And if you're living around bed bugs
Speaker 8: and things, so you've probably got bite marks on you.
Speaker 8: So that kind of explains bite marks, it explains the
Speaker 8: diseases that you might get. This area isn't particularly known
Speaker 8: for malaria, despite its swamps is just to cold for malaria,
Speaker 8: and so our folkloric vampires. What we say is we
Speaker 8: never see a folkloric vampire feeding. We only find its victims.
Speaker 8: And so when you have a person who's been ex sanguinated,
Speaker 8: a person who's lost blood, is something's got to be
Speaker 8: taking that blood from them. Why are they withering? Why
Speaker 8: are they shrinking? And then that we make that jump
Speaker 8: in logic to say that this must be something that
Speaker 8: is sucking the life force of blood out of these victims.
Speaker 8: And again that's why the vampires are blamed for wasting diseases.
Speaker 8: It's not all diseases. It's not bubonic plague, at least
Speaker 8: in the beginning. Not going to attribute bubonic plag to
Speaker 8: vampires or measles or chicken pox or something like that,
Speaker 8: but wasting diseases, anemia and things like that make really
Speaker 8: logical choices that we have there. So now in terms
Speaker 8: of literary vampires and cinemat vampires, we can get close
Speaker 8: enough to them. As a kid, when I saw vampires drinking,
Speaker 8: I was completely convinced that they had straws in their teeth.
Speaker 8: And every kid going to McDonald's, you know, stick two
Speaker 8: straws up into their mouths and pretend to be a
Speaker 8: vampire and drink from that, And so I was completely
Speaker 8: convinced that vampires had came unt you. Then then they were,
Speaker 8: you know, sucking their blood up through that, and then
Speaker 8: I was like, actually, it just be easier to put
Speaker 8: it down your throat. Yeah, So we can catch a
Speaker 8: cinematic vampire in the act and do a dental examination,
Speaker 8: but with folklork vampires, we never see them feeding. We
Speaker 8: only find the victims.
Speaker 4: Thanks not hollow. So if you've been thinking they're like
Speaker 4: rattlesnake teeth but with a suction function, we have been
Speaker 4: officially divested of such flim flam by a professional vamprologist.
Speaker 7: Last listener question, a few people asked boldly, I thought
Speaker 7: this was a great question. I wouldn't have thought to
Speaker 7: ask it. Nancy Kay Clark, World Nurse Collective and Lauren
Speaker 7: Mascabroda wanted to know if vampires were real and you
Speaker 7: could be one, would you all in one to know?
Speaker 7: Would you ever vampire as a verb?
Speaker 8: That depends on the conditions under which I'm a vampire.
Speaker 8: So there's the moral burden of saying, if I am
Speaker 8: a blood drinking vampire, then do I have to drink
Speaker 8: human blood? Can I drink animal blood? Or is there
Speaker 8: a synthetic blood substitute, or is there a way of
Speaker 8: just like feeling that urge, but you can stop it
Speaker 8: in some other way. It's bad enough to be human
Speaker 8: and to see history repeating itself over and over and over.
Speaker 8: Now you know, make that centuries. I think that would
Speaker 8: get really frustrating after a while. And that's also why
Speaker 8: you have vampires in certain works of vampire fiction that
Speaker 8: vampires can't kill themselves. There's actually a prohibition against vampire suicide,
Speaker 8: and so you eat have to I don't pay another
Speaker 8: vampire to slay you, or provoke a.
Speaker 9: Slayer to do that.
Speaker 8: But when you're tired and you finally need that, you know.
Speaker 11: The.
Speaker 9: Literature is still throwing barriers in.
Speaker 8: Our way to try to keep us from ending ourselves,
Speaker 8: which is just a really old tradition of prohibitions against
Speaker 8: suicide and self harm. And that's that's why we'll have
Speaker 8: works where vampires can't feed off themselves. It's like perpetual
Speaker 8: motion vampire machine.
Speaker 9: Right, Well, I can just drink.
Speaker 8: From myself and then yeah, I'm only harming myself in
Speaker 8: a movie like Daybreakers, that will accelerate your de evolution
Speaker 8: into a subsider, and then to drink another vampire's blood
Speaker 8: will cause that, and then to drink your own will
Speaker 8: be even worse.
Speaker 4: Just a PS. I had never seen Daybreakers, but Daybreakers
Speaker 4: is the two thousand and nine film starring Ethan Hawke
Speaker 4: as a hematologist, which is a blood scientist, And yes,
Speaker 4: we do have a hematology episode. I'll link it in
Speaker 4: the show notes. But in Daybreakers, vampires have taken over
Speaker 4: the world after this plague started by a bat rude
Speaker 4: because we love bats. But in the movie there's a
Speaker 4: blood shortage, and a subsider is a version of a
Speaker 4: vampire that's starving and desperate and jonesing for blood. And
Speaker 4: I looked into it. Here's my theory based on the
Speaker 4: filmmakers' ages. They're twin brothers born in nineteen seventy six
Speaker 4: who attended part of high school in the early nineteen
Speaker 4: nineties in New Jersey. I think Subsiders were born out
Speaker 4: of the vestiges of the Reagan era War on Drugs,
Speaker 4: which taught school children that if you ever tried any
Speaker 4: addictive substance. You would live in a sewer, your face
Speaker 4: would be a battlefield of self inflicted gashes, and you
Speaker 4: would break into people's homes desperate for your substance of choice,
Speaker 4: before being killed to the jubulation of cops, which happens
Speaker 4: in the movie Subsiders should just say no to human blood.
Speaker 8: We fixed it, so we throw those prohibitions. So I
Speaker 8: will try to lead the best and cleanest life that
Speaker 8: I can while I have it. But the East European
Speaker 8: life cycle, you want to do your part and complete
Speaker 8: your life cycle and go, but not too old. So
Speaker 8: people who lived to a very old age are accused
Speaker 8: of taking more than their fair share of life force.
Speaker 8: Hence the prohibition against very old people. And there are
Speaker 8: a lot of prohibitions. There's a huge list and they're
Speaker 8: absolutely fascinating.
Speaker 4: Okay, So I looked into laws against being old and
Speaker 4: I couldn't find anything, and so I checked in with
Speaker 4: Jeff and he meant prohibited in more of a resource sense.
Speaker 4: But on that note, In March of twenty twenty one,
Speaker 4: the World Health Organization released its first ever global report
Speaker 4: on agism, and you can download this two hundred and
Speaker 4: two page pdf but I'll summarize it for you here.
Speaker 4: People are mean to old people and disabled people and
Speaker 4: it sucks, so knock it off. There you go, and
Speaker 4: I will link that report on my site if you
Speaker 4: want more granular details though, But okay, one more listener
Speaker 4: question asked by Andrea Devlin, Red Cedar, Kathleen Sachs, Alexandra cattoul,
Speaker 4: Anda Frasier, Shelby Smith, Niki demrco Alia Myers Down Tween,
Speaker 4: Canna Peters Beck's Woodruff, connie E Carringer, Metta Richardson, Jacqueline Church,
Speaker 4: Bennet Gerber, Sam Taylor, Anina Jacoby. They all wanted to
Speaker 4: know if Jeff has a favorite vampire movie or franchise,
Speaker 4: and all these people mentioned the following titles. I'm just
Speaker 4: going to say so that they get on your radar,
Speaker 4: you ready, Black Youla Fright Night, Once Bitten Vamp, a
Speaker 4: Vampire in Brooklyn from Dust Till Dawn, Blade, Queen of
Speaker 4: the Damned, Let the Right One in the Invitation Lost Boys,
Speaker 4: Buffy the Vampire Slayer of Course, Vamperina Dark Shadows, the
Speaker 4: new Interview with a Vampire series on AMC. And I
Speaker 4: had never heard of this, but the mel Brooks Dracula
Speaker 4: Dead and loving it. So Jeff pressures on pick one.
Speaker 7: Is there a vampire in a pop culture that you
Speaker 7: feel like is your favorite?
Speaker 8: Every age creates a vampire that it needs. Every vampire
Speaker 8: meets a need at a certain time. You know, sometimes
Speaker 8: I like chocolate ice cream, sometimes I like mint ice cream.
Speaker 8: So there are certain times when I need a certain
Speaker 8: type of vampire movie to watch. And if that's frustration,
Speaker 8: or if that's hope or redemption or something like that,
Speaker 8: I'll pull those different vampires out. So I don't typically
Speaker 8: have the one time, all time favorite.
Speaker 4: But you're definitely team Edward, right.
Speaker 9: Why are you saying that?
Speaker 6: From you're asking me to pick a vampire over a werewolf.
Speaker 6: That's that's not too much of a problem, and I
Speaker 6: can have any answer. I would say, I would probably
Speaker 6: say more that I'm Team Cullen than Team Edward, so
Speaker 6: I'll stick within that general family.
Speaker 5: PS.
Speaker 4: If you haven't seen Twilight, Edward lives with a whole
Speaker 4: ass coven of vampires in a cool house, and his
Speaker 4: adoptive parents are vampires. They're frozen in the ages of
Speaker 4: like twenty three and twenty six because someone's got to
Speaker 4: buy wine coolers for these one hundred and four year
Speaker 4: old teen vampires, except they don't really drink, and they're
Speaker 4: also teetotalers of human blood. They're just like just puma juice. Please,
Speaker 4: But Team Jacob, how dare anyone even imply it? To Jeff?
Speaker 7: That's a good answer. What about the hardest thing about
Speaker 7: your job? The hardest thing when it comes to researching this?
Speaker 7: Is there something that is frustrating about it?
Speaker 8: Well, I'm a teacher, so I spend my time teaching
Speaker 8: about this. It is fascinating, and I think everybody needs
Speaker 8: to understand vampires in so much more depth than typically
Speaker 8: what we reduce them to in vampire movies. You can
Speaker 8: watch a vampire movie for pure entertainment, and that's okay.
Speaker 8: If all you're doing is passing the time by consuming media,
Speaker 8: that's completely okay. There are perhaps other better forms of
Speaker 8: escapism than vampire movies. But with my job of trying
Speaker 8: to get people to understand vampires, it is to take
Speaker 8: that folkloric vampire and understand how and why people held
Speaker 8: it in their belief system. And it takes four very
Speaker 8: intense weeks of unprogramming people and getting people to understand
Speaker 8: how people were living in Central and Eastern Europe in
Speaker 8: pre modern times, when it was really living year to
Speaker 8: year in survival kind of mode, and all of the
Speaker 8: things that could kill you out there. To get everybody
Speaker 8: to peel back their their western lenses, their modern lenses,
Speaker 8: their twentieth and twenty first century lenses, and that attitude
Speaker 8: of taking someone else's belief system and calling it superstition,
Speaker 8: so to get people to understand why we needed a
Speaker 8: folkloric vampire. So many people can't understand why you would
Speaker 8: invent a vampire just to be scary, and that's one
Speaker 8: of the reasons we do it for movies and films,
Speaker 8: but that wasn't the reason why we developed a folkloric vampire.
Speaker 8: It takes a very long time to get people to
Speaker 8: process that and then to get people to really reflect
Speaker 8: on that phrase. Every age creates the vampire that it
Speaker 8: needs to be able to say I can watch this
Speaker 8: movie for entertainment, but I can also treat it as
Speaker 8: a cultural artifact and say this is telling me something
Speaker 8: about the people who created it and the time in
Speaker 8: which it was created. And to see a vampire movie
Speaker 8: that is popular over many, many years means that the filmmaker,
Speaker 8: the author is tapping into these human universals that we
Speaker 8: are probably never going to solve. Who can you trust?
Speaker 8: This has Let the Right One In?
Speaker 4: If you're down to be scared as hell. The two
Speaker 4: thousand and eight original Swedish version of Let the Right
Speaker 4: One In involves adolescens, trust, and of course vampirism, and
Speaker 4: it's sports in ninety eight percent fresh rating on Rotten Tomatoes.
Speaker 4: One critic Joe Lipsett of the Horror Queers podcast, writing
Speaker 4: that quote, it's a near perfect horror film that captures
Speaker 4: the horrors of bullying and coming of age and a
Speaker 4: ChIL unflinching fashion. Is this a classic queer romance or
Speaker 4: a morally conflicted tragedy? The answer may just be yes,
Speaker 4: Joe writes, and I watched the trailer and I was
Speaker 4: afflicted with instant goosebumps. So that's two thousand and eights
Speaker 4: Let the Right One In?
Speaker 8: Who can you let into your life, into your bedroom,
Speaker 8: into your family? And what are the signs of the
Speaker 8: red flags for dangerous people? Can people overcome their dark
Speaker 8: pasts or their urges? We're constantly focused on that you
Speaker 8: can have a really good vampire movie that is popular
Speaker 8: only in a specific time. Frankl Angela's nineteen seventy nine
Speaker 8: Dracula is like that, based on marital infidelity, you know,
Speaker 8: as divorce rates were rising. That's that's great, But the
Speaker 8: movies which keep coming back and stay fresh and intriguing.
Speaker 8: Dracula is again one hundred and twenty five years old,
Speaker 8: and it is still completely rereadable. It's still moving because
Speaker 8: the themes of disease and marital infidelity and the danger
Speaker 8: of foreigners and the fears that we have of things
Speaker 8: that are not like us, those will always tap into
Speaker 8: lizard brain and make us afraid and consuming that as
Speaker 8: literature will always get that chemical release that we can't
Speaker 8: control that makes it compelling and interesting to consume.
Speaker 4: Which is also why having anchors on cable news screaming
Speaker 4: opinion pieces generates billions of dollars a year and influences
Speaker 4: who's in power, while also fomenting hatred and division. But
Speaker 4: if you lost your older loved ones to political talk
Speaker 4: radio and the nineteen eighties, should have rubbed some garlic
Speaker 4: on the dashboard. But on a brighter note, and is
Speaker 4: there a favorite thing about it? Is there something that
Speaker 4: just really hooks you. Is it the tie to your
Speaker 4: maybe your own history, or is it just kind of
Speaker 4: how enduring it is.
Speaker 8: We learned to spot vampires all around us, and so
Speaker 8: it is it's a lens to see the world. We
Speaker 8: have four types of vampires. So we have our folkloric
Speaker 8: vampire that existed in the belief system. We have our
Speaker 8: literary vampire with its subtype of cinematic vampire. We have
Speaker 8: the psychotic vampire, which is a real person who has
Speaker 8: a mental illness who attacks a person in the style
Speaker 8: of a folkloric vampire or a cinematic vampire literary vampire.
Speaker 8: And it's a criminal act to do that, to attack
Speaker 8: someone and drink their blood.
Speaker 5: Ps.
Speaker 4: Just try not to do this, especially if you happen
Speaker 4: to have open stomach ulcers. It's a great way to
Speaker 4: catch a disease. And according to a recent and pretty
Speaker 4: helpful pop science article titled is It Okay to drink blood?
Speaker 4: And excess of iron can be fatal to humans unless
Speaker 4: you're into vomiting, diarrhea, abdominal pain, dehydration, or maybe hepatitis.
Speaker 4: Just grab a cold press beet juice and lie to
Speaker 4: your vampire friends. Your secrets safe. With me, I'm not
Speaker 4: going to tell anyone.
Speaker 8: And then we have the psychic vampire, the person who
Speaker 8: seems to suck the psychic energy or energy from your body.
Speaker 8: This is the now most most commonly known to people
Speaker 8: through the Colin Robinson image of what we do in
Speaker 8: The Shadows, the television series. Everybody has known a psychic
Speaker 8: vampire in their life, and this is the person who
Speaker 8: uses fear, intimidation, or guilt or shame to weaken another person.
Speaker 8: And when you're standing from the outside and looking on
Speaker 8: it really does look like that person is sucking life
Speaker 8: force out of the victim there. Well, what really is happening,
Speaker 8: of courus is that that person who's using that intimidation
Speaker 8: is getting a rush from it. And these are our
Speaker 8: user chemicals that our brain creates in using intimidation or
Speaker 8: seeing the results of our action and having that satisfaction
Speaker 8: or that thrill that you're doing that. And at the
Speaker 8: same time, the person who is undergoing that is having
Speaker 8: negative chemicals being produced in their body which will lead
Speaker 8: to loss of appetite and fear and nervousness and anxiety
Speaker 8: and everything.
Speaker 9: And it really.
Speaker 8: Looks from the outside that that psychic vampires is draining
Speaker 8: that person. We can explain that with brain chemistry, So
Speaker 8: thank you modern modern brain science for giving that reaction.
Speaker 1: But we can.
Speaker 8: Spot those similarities in our everyday life.
Speaker 4: So those are psychic vampires. And maybe ask yourself what
Speaker 4: media do you consume that leaves you feeling anxious and
Speaker 4: shitty and afraid and smaller, and what people do you
Speaker 4: associate with who seem to delight in your defeat? If
Speaker 4: you're feeling drained, you might have a psycho vampire. And also, conversely,
Speaker 4: do you hate watch certain people's Instagram stories? Do you
Speaker 4: tear down cheesy bloggers in the comment section? Check in
Speaker 4: with yourself. Every vampire rises up depending on need, and
Speaker 4: maybe you need different things to fuel you. And if
Speaker 4: you're actually trying to attack people and consume their blood,
Speaker 4: which happens from time to time, you might have a
Speaker 4: condition known as clinical vamporism, sometimes called psychotic vamporism or
Speaker 4: Renfield syndrome, which is an obsession with drinking blood and
Speaker 4: in honor of Dracula's sycophantic servant, psychologist doctor Richard Knowles
Speaker 4: snarkily coined this term Renfield syndrome in protest to psychiatry
Speaker 4: having too many diagnoses, and to his dismay, it actually
Speaker 4: stuck as a term to describe waty to drink blood.
Speaker 4: So it's like a choke turned reality for him. That's
Speaker 4: just got to really, I guess it's got to suck.
Speaker 8: Every year we're going to have a news article of
Speaker 8: someone who attacks someone and drinks their blood. And we
Speaker 8: know psychic vampires in our lives, and we read literary
Speaker 8: vampires and see those parallels to our own lives, and again,
Speaker 8: those vampires are processing these basic human existential problems. Good
Speaker 8: vampire literature never gets old. It might get a little
Speaker 8: bit worn out, but it's the vampires evolved so much
Speaker 8: that if we've had enough of remorseful vampires, then we'll
Speaker 8: pull out the predator vampire again. And if those are exhausted,
Speaker 8: we can create that next form of a vampire. And
Speaker 8: we're held in check by whether that innovation will resonate
Speaker 8: with the people who are consuming it. And that's why
Speaker 8: you might have a movie that might be brilliant that
Speaker 8: just doesn't resonate with people, and that tells us that
Speaker 8: that age doesn't need that vampire. And then there are
Speaker 8: other things that are just so well done that just
Speaker 8: hit those aspects of the frustrations of our human mortal
Speaker 8: existence that will make vampire literature undying nothing. Definitely, we
Speaker 8: will still, we will still be making vampire movies and
Speaker 8: writing vampire literature far far far into the future.
Speaker 7: I think that is so so amazing to have the
Speaker 7: kind of context that I never realized how much I needed.
Speaker 7: That I can see why hundreds of people turn up
Speaker 7: for your course every year.
Speaker 4: This has been such a joy.
Speaker 7: Thank you so much for letting me drain all of
Speaker 7: the information out of your veins.
Speaker 8: Always always happy to be a willing victim, willing donor.
Speaker 8: I would I would be that person I would be.
Speaker 8: I would be the person who's whose friend is a vampire,
Speaker 8: and I would controlled quantities give them my blood. That's
Speaker 8: why I donate blood every fifty six days less lest
Speaker 8: my students think that I'm a vampire. Every fall, I'll
Speaker 8: roll up my sleeve and let them see my my
Speaker 8: mark that I've.
Speaker 9: Been, indeed been giving blood and not taking it.
Speaker 4: Well, it's the good reminder for everyone to go out
Speaker 4: and give.
Speaker 9: Blood absolutely every fifty six days.
Speaker 4: So ask smart people sanguine questions, because unlike vampires, you live,
Speaker 4: but once, and doctor Jeff Holdman is so amazing. If
Speaker 4: you see him on campus at Indiana University, Bloomington, tell him.
Speaker 4: Dad Woord says, hi, give him a fist bump or
Speaker 4: a high five, and take his class. The Vampire in
Speaker 4: European and American culture. There are a ton of links
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Speaker 4: and lead editor is the hot blooded treat Chared Sleeper,
Speaker 4: who also has to be married to me for eternity,
Speaker 4: which pleases me. Oh, and happy happy birthday to the
Speaker 4: perfect and amazing Simon Yetch, who is not only an
Speaker 4: inventor and an artist, but one of the best pals
Speaker 4: a person can have. And if you stick around to
Speaker 4: the end of the episode, I tell you a secret,
Speaker 4: and this time I'm going to tell someone else's secret
Speaker 4: because I love it and it's not really a secret.
Speaker 4: But as you may know, I've become really good friends
Speaker 4: with panatologist Cole and Perry and her husband Victor, who've
Speaker 4: moved to la this year, and we were having cocktails
Speaker 4: on their patio last week. Victor makes excellent cocktails. We
Speaker 4: were there with someone and in my pants pocket I
Speaker 4: found a little cardboard paper tube from a roll of
Speaker 4: dog Pooh bags that had run out that day, and
Speaker 4: Victor thought it was a cigar, but and I was
Speaker 4: like struggling to find a word to explain what it was.
Speaker 4: And Victor said, oh, his family calls any cardboard tube
Speaker 4: at the end of a roll of something a dirter,
Speaker 4: And I was like, what, what word is that? And
Speaker 4: they call them a dirter because when you put them
Speaker 4: to your mouth, you can go.
Speaker 5: Like a wrapping.
Speaker 12: Paper roll, or a toilet paper roll, or a paper
Speaker 12: tel roll. All those tubes are called dirters. And this
Speaker 12: just delighted me.
Speaker 13: And Cole, who had been in the house grabbing eyes,
Speaker 13: came out and I asked, and I asked, I asked her, Cole,
Speaker 13: what is this in my hand? And she went, oh,
Speaker 13: and now they're dirterers, and I love them, and I
Speaker 13: love them for telling me that.
Speaker 5: Okay, bye bye, a good boy.
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