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<v Speaker 4>on to part two with Beloved Indiana University, professor of

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<v Speaker 4>Slavic and Eastern European Languages and Culture, who helms the

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<v Speaker 4>bonkers popular course The Vampire in European and American Culture,

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<v Speaker 4>vamprologist doctor Jeff Holdeman. Can I ask you some listener questions?

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<v Speaker 6>Oh?

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<v Speaker 7>Absolutely, they had great ones. You know, you mentioned that

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<v Speaker 7>every vampire is the one that the age needs, and

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<v Speaker 7>so many people.

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<v Speaker 5>Looking at you.

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<v Speaker 4>Patrons Anthony Cherbino, Ali Vessels, Greg Wallach, Lauren Mesca Broda,

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<v Speaker 4>Kelly King, Kathlyn Daling, Caitlin Owens, Alex Joseph Tarina, Felix Wolf,

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<v Speaker 4>Paul Cerrillo, Deli, Dame Samantha Tuvy, Nicole Ursula Wood swoon

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<v Speaker 4>with us, and first time question asking Maddy Hobson. They

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<v Speaker 4>all want to know when did vampires get so horny?

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<v Speaker 4>Why are they such heart throbs?

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<v Speaker 7>And when did this idea that you're going to get

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<v Speaker 7>seduced by a vampire?

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<v Speaker 4>When did it start turning into that?

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<v Speaker 8>So, if we think about it, the folkloric vampire is

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<v Speaker 8>a reanimated corpse. It's going to stink like a reanimated corpse.

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<v Speaker 5>That's hot, it's.

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<v Speaker 8>Going to have a bloody mouth because it's perceived to

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<v Speaker 8>be feeding on people. You do not want to be

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<v Speaker 8>around a reanimated corpse.

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<v Speaker 5>ORed.

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<v Speaker 8>When we get through the nineteenth century of literature, all

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<v Speaker 8>of these vampires, our very first vampires.

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<v Speaker 9>Are all nobles.

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<v Speaker 8>Lord Riven in the Vampire, Sir Francis Varney the Vampire,

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<v Speaker 8>and Carmilla's a countess and Dracula's account the nobility has

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<v Speaker 8>a castle and everything. So already in nineteenth century, when

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<v Speaker 8>we're trying to demonize the nobility, right, what better way

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<v Speaker 8>of trying to tear them down than to call him

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<v Speaker 8>vampires people who take more than their fair share, who

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<v Speaker 8>suck us dry of our life force.

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<v Speaker 10>News flash, John, the super rich, they're not like us.

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<v Speaker 8>We get the introduction of beauty. Lord Riven is hypnotizing.

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<v Speaker 8>He's got this weird gray eye, but he's still captivating, charming, mesmerizing,

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<v Speaker 8>and people still keep inviting him into their house to

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<v Speaker 4>That was the story based on Lord Byron Varney.

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<v Speaker 8>The vampire is still a noble and is clever and

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<v Speaker 8>smart and powerful. Carmilla is described as being just supernaturally beautiful,

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<v Speaker 8>and she's charming, and she's coquettish, and she is passionate,

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<v Speaker 8>and then Count Dracula is hypnotizing, and he's wealthy. He's

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<v Speaker 8>got piles of money with dust on him in his castle,

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<v Speaker 8>and he, you know, can control the weather, and he

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<v Speaker 8>can control people's actions, and he can control wolves and

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<v Speaker 8>everything else that arms escalation starts already by then, with

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<v Speaker 8>beauty and with abilities and with wealth. When you're undead.

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<v Speaker 8>When you're undying, you remember the old times, which then

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<v Speaker 8>means that you're this automatic historian. So you're smart and

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<v Speaker 8>you remember things and you've seen people's actions over a

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<v Speaker 8>very long period of time. Nos Ferratu dead end because

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<v Speaker 8>nobody wants to be with mos Ferratu.

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<v Speaker 9>Belle Lagos.

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<v Speaker 8>He's like, he's kind of older, he's like but he's

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<v Speaker 8>got tuxedo on, and he's like he's debonair, and he's

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<v Speaker 8>got this way of speaking, and he's kind of, you know, mysterious,

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<v Speaker 8>and he's got these eyes that are enchanting, and he

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<v Speaker 8>can control people. And I tell my students that were

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<v Speaker 8>one of the mysteries we have to solve is how

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<v Speaker 8>do you go from a reanimated corpse to a.

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<v Speaker 9>Viilf This is a vampire like counicate with.

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<v Speaker 4>A Phil bless this man, protect him.

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<v Speaker 8>So why in the world would you want to be

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<v Speaker 8>with this gross, re animated corpse. Well, you clean them

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<v Speaker 8>up and you give them lots of money, and you

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<v Speaker 8>make them really smart, and then what we need that

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<v Speaker 8>they're still predators, right, there's still dangerous. In nineteen seventy three,

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<v Speaker 8>we get Jack Paul Lance from do you remember Ripley's Believe.

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<v Speaker 1>It or Not? Oh?

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<v Speaker 4>Yeah, I remember that show. But maybe what some people

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<v Speaker 4>immediately think of with Jack Palance is him winning an

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<v Speaker 4>Academy Award for City Slickers in nineteen ninety one, and

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<v Speaker 4>during his Oscar acceptance speech he paused to do some

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<v Speaker 4>one handed pushups. He was seventy three at the time.

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<v Speaker 4>And one thing I never associate Jack Palince with as

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<v Speaker 4>a leathery fitness buff is the nineteen seventy four British

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<v Speaker 4>made for TV version of Dracula starring him.

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<v Speaker 11>Many motion pictures claim to be horrific. Now comes one

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<v Speaker 11>which reaches a new height in Unobated Terror, the bram

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<v Speaker 11>Stoko masterpiece Dracula.

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<v Speaker 8>Jack plans an amazing voice and everything, and he is

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<v Speaker 8>our first remorseful vampire. He feels bad about being a

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<v Speaker 8>vampire about having to drink human's blood and he still

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<v Speaker 8>has to do it, but he feels bad about it.

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<v Speaker 8>Introducing that to make us want to have compassion for

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<v Speaker 8>him then takes off, and then we get this bifurcation

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<v Speaker 8>of vampire types where there either is the solely evil

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<v Speaker 8>vampire or there's a vampire that's remorseful about their nature.

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<v Speaker 8>And again, this is the seventies, and we're like trying

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<v Speaker 8>to understand psychologically why people are the way they are,

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<v Speaker 8>and we're in therapy and we're trying to heal and

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<v Speaker 8>I'm okay, You're okay, And this is the way that

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<v Speaker 8>people are different, and maybe I can overcome my alcohol

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<v Speaker 8>are my addictions, and maybe there's something about my nature

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<v Speaker 8>that I can overcome. I'm still redeemable.

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<v Speaker 4>Of course, every human is redeemable. But before the nineteen

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<v Speaker 4>fifties or so, the notion of introspection wasn't super popular.

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<v Speaker 4>So what changed things? Well, rewind a few decades actually,

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<v Speaker 4>to nineteen thirty six, when Dale Carnegie published How to

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<v Speaker 4>Win Friends and Influence People, and then a year later

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<v Speaker 4>Napoleon Hill wrote the book Think and Grow Rich. But

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<v Speaker 4>by the early nineteen fifties, self help was beginning to

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<v Speaker 4>grow as kind of an industry, And what corracked the

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<v Speaker 4>door open a little more was a clergyman, an author

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<v Speaker 4>named Norman Vincent Peel, writing this massively popular best selling title,

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<v Speaker 4>The Power of Positive Thinking. So by the nineteen seventies,

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<v Speaker 4>a whole generation had been raised with this mindset that

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<v Speaker 4>maybe we could control our lives with our minds. And

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<v Speaker 4>now the self help industry has a firm hold on us.

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<v Speaker 4>It makes about ten billion dollars a year in the

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<v Speaker 4>US alone, which is why I'm really excited to announce

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<v Speaker 4>I'm finally writing a book. It's called how to Stop

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<v Speaker 4>buying self help books and spend the money feeding raccoons

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<v Speaker 4>corn dogs instead. That's not true, but I bet if

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<v Speaker 4>I wrote that book, I could probably buy a boat. Also,

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<v Speaker 4>do not feed raccoons any corn dogs. They can have

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<v Speaker 4>worms that can eat your brain and kill you. You can

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<v Speaker 4>see the Prosionology two parter on raccoons for more on that.

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<v Speaker 5>But anyway.

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<v Speaker 4>In nineteen seventy two, the book I'm Okay, You're Okay,

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<v Speaker 4>by California based psychiatrist Thomas Anthony Harris enjoyed just a

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<v Speaker 4>cozy spot on the bestseller list for years and in

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<v Speaker 4>the nineteen seventies. This was a big breakthrough for pop

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<v Speaker 4>psychology and the notion that our childhood experiences still affect

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<v Speaker 4>how we regulate or don't regulate our own emotions and

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<v Speaker 4>thus our behaviors. So while vampires may not have a reflection,

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<v Speaker 4>they do mirror the zeitgeist.

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<v Speaker 8>I'm not stake worthy anymore. Maybe I should be given

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<v Speaker 8>a chance. And then that evolves and we get vampires

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<v Speaker 8>that are then more and more desirable. They go from

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<v Speaker 8>you know, the kind of bad boy. It's like, I

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<v Speaker 8>know he's dangerous, bod, he's hot, and he drives a motorcycle,

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<v Speaker 8>and this James Dean turns into lost boys and there's

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<v Speaker 8>a desire to be with the demon lover.

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<v Speaker 5>I'd like to try.

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<v Speaker 8>And then we just keep adding on every movie that

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<v Speaker 8>we get there's some other way of overcoming this badness,

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<v Speaker 8>and then we get like, well, maybe I won't drink

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<v Speaker 8>human blood, but I'll drink animal blood.

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<v Speaker 9>Or maybe maybe you know.

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<v Speaker 8>Pete is going to get mad at that, so maybe

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<v Speaker 8>we could come up with a synthetic blood that then

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<v Speaker 8>doesn't harm anybody.

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<v Speaker 4>Which side note is kind of the narrative hook of

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<v Speaker 4>the HBO series called True Blood, which is set in

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<v Speaker 4>this time when synthetic blood called true Blood is on

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<v Speaker 4>the market, leading to what's called the Great Revelation, which

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<v Speaker 4>allowed vampires to come out of the coffin, they say,

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<v Speaker 4>and enjoy their parahuman human rights and true blood. The

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<v Speaker 4>substance wasn't supposed to be delicious. One character described it

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<v Speaker 4>as giving up your favorite meal for slim fast shakes forever.

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<v Speaker 4>But it gets a job done and hello in real

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<v Speaker 4>life today, somewhere so many people are alive human beings

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<v Speaker 4>choosing to drink soilent. So true blood is pretty plausible

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<v Speaker 4>considering it's convenient and portable and allows you to stop

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<v Speaker 4>murdering people. But is there something more permanent than having

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<v Speaker 4>to keep buying cases of fake blood at costco.

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<v Speaker 8>Maybe there's a cure, right, We still don't get cures

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<v Speaker 8>for vamporism at that point because rather than fixing people,

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<v Speaker 8>and there's so many problems that still haven't been fixed,

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<v Speaker 8>it's like, maybe it's living with this condition, which is

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<v Speaker 8>the important thing. These people don't deserve to be executed

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<v Speaker 8>or locked up. Maybe we can reform them. And then

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<v Speaker 8>we want to hear that story, and we want to

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<v Speaker 8>From that point on, all of our vampire movies have

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<v Speaker 8>It's this exact same fascination with the origin stories of

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<v Speaker 8>Corpses, Edward Cullen, is the manifestation of this. People always

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<v Speaker 8>ask me, like, do you like Twilight and this Twilight saga?

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<v Speaker 8>Do you like those books? Do you like that movie?

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<v Speaker 8>be something resonating about Edward Cullen that spoke to so

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<v Speaker 1>Right.

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<v Speaker 8>Bella wants it, and Edward's like, oh no, I can't.

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<v Speaker 8>And it's like the you know, the perfect boyfriend who

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<v Speaker 8>like pulls himself away and all this kind of wonderful

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<v Speaker 8>and chaste imagery and everything. He is the ideal boyfriend, right,

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<v Speaker 8>And Charlie's you know, got his shotgun. He's like cleaning

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<v Speaker 8>Then Edward brings Bella home, you know, like one minute

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<v Speaker 9>It's hard to not like this guy.

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<v Speaker 4>Twilight tonight for the first time to psychoanalyze the whole thing,

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<v Speaker 8>Okay, we can have the demon lover who is reformed,

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<v Speaker 8>who's learned to control his urges, like the whole family has, right,

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<v Speaker 8>So you know, the Collins House is a halfway house, right.

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<v Speaker 8>They've all learned to kick the habit and they're all

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<v Speaker 8>living together this vegetarian lifestyle. Again, Pete's going to get

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<v Speaker 8>mad because they're out hunting mountain lions. But other than that,

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<v Speaker 4>I immediately was like, dude, why don't they just eat

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<v Speaker 4>squirrels or start like a gopher catching business at a

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<v Speaker 4>golf course. But I looked into it and Twilight author

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<v Speaker 4>Stephanie Meyer apparently has said that she thinks predators would

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<v Speaker 4>taste better than herb of wares, and that checks out.

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<v Speaker 4>But I was like, what is stuff Meyer's deal? And

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<v Speaker 5>In these movies.

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<v Speaker 4>This woman delivered us the hottest, most brooding vampire who's

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<v Speaker 4>also sensitive, and then is like wait for a ring.

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<v Speaker 4>But you know what, one person's fantasy genre is another's horror. Also,

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<v Speaker 4>before Twilight, Stephanie Meyer had never written a book. Before

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<v Speaker 9>That's pure conjecture, objection overbold.

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<v Speaker 4>But anyway, she wrote about it and now she makes

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<v Speaker 5>And then E. L.

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<v Speaker 4>books the Fifty Shade series, started those books as fanfic

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<v Speaker 4>of Twilight. What is my point? My point is, if

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<v Speaker 4>you have an idea for a book, please write it

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<v Speaker 4>this right here. This is a signal from the univers

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<v Speaker 4>you've been waiting for. Okay, picture me standing over your

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<v Speaker 4>bed in the shadowy moonlight. I'm holding a frying pan

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<v Speaker 4>with it if you don't start your book. And actually,

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<v Speaker 4>the month as elementary school teachers, mechanics, or stay at

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<v Speaker 4>home parents. They leave novelists. How inspiring is that? So

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<v Speaker 4>and we're going to donate to them this month as well.

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<v Speaker 4>So Nana Ramo, write a book, do it for future

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<v Speaker 4>you and do it for me with a frying pan.

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<v Speaker 4>But yes, back to Edward and Bella and eating mountain

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<v Speaker 4>lions instead of people.

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<v Speaker 8>And now we can live happily ever after, actually completely

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<v Speaker 8>ever after, ever after, forever, forever and ever. And so

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<v Speaker 8>this is that evolution that we get. It's really really amazing,

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<v Speaker 8>and at each step there is it can't happen overnight.

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<v Speaker 9>We had.

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<v Speaker 8>Varney the Vampire is actually as technically our first remorseful vampire.

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<v Speaker 8>So Varney is unable to control himself and attempts at

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<v Speaker 8>the four hundred plus pages, and he throws himself into

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<v Speaker 8>Mount Vesuvius. Oh what a death, and self cremates. Wonderful.

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<v Speaker 8>He's so remorseful and he can't be killed. And the

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<v Speaker 8>one way to really truly cremate a vampire. It's one

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<v Speaker 8>thing to like, you know, decapitate and burn them. It's

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<v Speaker 8>another to be thrown into the bowels of the earth

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<v Speaker 8>and to be cremated by Mount Vesuvius. That's wonderful. Rum

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<v Speaker 8>The people at that time just did not need that vampire.

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<v Speaker 8>They still needed nobles to be villains. And we just

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<v Speaker 8>thirty years until Jack Palance. That's amazing. We just we

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<v Speaker 8>and an enemy and something that we know how to

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<v Speaker 8>identify and name and stake and destroy up until seventies

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<v Speaker 8>when we decide that, you know, maybe maybe bad people

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<v Speaker 8>can be reformed, maybe we can overcome our shortcomings, and

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<v Speaker 9>At that point.

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<v Speaker 8>Every step is a product of the time, right, every

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<v Speaker 8>softening that vampire and making them more attractable and making

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<v Speaker 8>them more marriageable is important. It's an amazing evolution. I've

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<v Speaker 8>ordered the movies, the six hundred and fifty or so

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<v Speaker 8>movies in my syllabus in chronological order, and if you

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<v Speaker 8>want to watch all of them in chronological order, you

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<v Speaker 8>can actually see that development over time. It's absolutely fascinating.

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<v Speaker 8>We can track when the first time a trait gets introduced.

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<v Speaker 4>So set aside a few months and watch six hundred

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<v Speaker 4>and fifty movies. Okay, So that was the first question.

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<v Speaker 4>Second question, patrons Ali Vessels, Zombat, Angela Clark, Christian Krup,

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<v Speaker 7>to get invited in? Was that something that's super historical

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<v Speaker 7>or did that emerge in like nineteen eighty five?

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<v Speaker 8>This is from folklore, so many of these things. Again,

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<v Speaker 8>the literary vampire didn't just immediately be born out of nothing.

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<v Speaker 8>This is just importing all of these traits from the

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<v Speaker 8>folkloric vampire selectively at first, and then when the well

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<v Speaker 8>to these old sources that the Perkowski book has folklore

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<v Speaker 8>from lots of countries. And you can tell that people

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<v Speaker 8>have been reading this book and they hear this word

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<v Speaker 8>moder roi and they're ooh, I've got to put that

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<v Speaker 8>in Vampire Academy.

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<v Speaker 5>Okay.

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<v Speaker 4>Side note for more on vampirology, hit the two thousand

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<v Speaker 4>and six scholarly reference book Vampire Lore Writings of Jan

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<v Speaker 4>buried in all this literary history are mentions of the

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<v Speaker 4>mroy which now appear as characters in the Netflix series

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<v Speaker 4>Vampire Academy. And Moroy are mortal, but they're magical creatures

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<v Speaker 4>who can go out during the day but with parasols,

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<v Speaker 4>and they have human blood sources called feeders that they

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<v Speaker 4>troubled and kind of bitchy counterparts called this trigg oi,

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<v Speaker 4>and those will drink you dead and or infect you

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<v Speaker 4>with simmering rage and the blood munchies. And in Roman mythology,

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<v Speaker 8>Sugar, and so there's always this pulling from folklore. And

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<v Speaker 8>in Central and Eastern Europe you didn't let people who

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<v Speaker 8>and Lithuania every summer, and a stranger walking into a village.

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<v Speaker 8>Even today, people are suspicious. You can see people watching

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<v Speaker 8>and work in cemeteries too, but bill often you'll see me.

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<v Speaker 8>The road only leads to the cemetery, and then you know,

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<v Speaker 8>like somebody shows up thirty minutes later just to you know,

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<v Speaker 9>Flowers, water coincidence.

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<v Speaker 8>And then they're like, so what are you doing here?

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<v Speaker 8>And then we talk and I explain what I'm doing,

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<v Speaker 8>and then they're welcoming. Once I'm a known quantity, I'm

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<v Speaker 8>welcomed in. But you wouldn't welcome in somebody who didn't know,

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<v Speaker 8>either keep them completely out of your village, or if

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<v Speaker 8>have a lot of people who will do that, and

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<v Speaker 8>so you know, I go from the person who's looking

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<v Speaker 8>at me with suspicion to the person who's like feeding

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<v Speaker 8>me and giving me drink and saying, next time you're

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<v Speaker 8>thing that has then happened is we've again before it

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<v Speaker 8>would just be don't invite a person in.

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<v Speaker 9>And now you know.

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<v Speaker 8>True Blood, if you watch True Blood.

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<v Speaker 4>I'm familiar with it, but I haven't watched a lot

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<v Speaker 4>of it.

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<v Speaker 8>Now you'll have a reason to go and watch it.

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<v Speaker 8>But you'll have a you'll invite a vampire in, and

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<v Speaker 8>then if they do something you don't like, you say

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<v Speaker 8>out loud.

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<v Speaker 6>I'm sending your invitation to my house.

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<v Speaker 8>I rescind my invitation into my house, and then the

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<v Speaker 8>vampire like gets dragged out supernaturally out of the house.

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<v Speaker 8>That's that arms escalation, things that just go over the top,

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<v Speaker 8>and we we get that now. We get either like

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<v Speaker 8>people will bleed if they come into a house uninvited,

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<v Speaker 8>or they trick people to being invited, or they buy

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<v Speaker 8>the house and then it's not their house anymore, and

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<v Speaker 8>then I can come in wherever I want to. There

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<v Speaker 8>are always these logical hurdles to get around being invited in,

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<v Speaker 8>And again that's the money. We'll get you into people's house.

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<v Speaker 8>Intelligence will get you into people's house. Brute force will

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<v Speaker 8>get you into people's house. Your status will get you

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<v Speaker 8>into people's house.

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<v Speaker 4>Just a side note, I watched a scene from True

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<v Speaker 4>Blood where an invite was rescinded and in the scene,

445
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<v Speaker 4>instantly like some thunder rumbles and the front door flings

446
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<v Speaker 4>open in a wind and the vampire just glides backwards,

447
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<v Speaker 4>and the comments on the YouTube video were about how

448
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<v Speaker 4>this breakup scene was supposed to be sad, but how

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<v Speaker 4>people just howl with laughter at it, and one YouTuber

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<v Speaker 4>Wika forty nine to ninety one commented, I always picture

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<v Speaker 4>a random stage crew member pulling him backwards on a skateboard.

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<v Speaker 5>Just whoosh, band cut.

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<v Speaker 8>We get to see this in a good form in Dracula,

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<v Speaker 8>where they are these good people who are fighting Dracula,

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<v Speaker 8>among whom are wealthy people and knowledgeable people and noble people,

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<v Speaker 8>and they use their status to commit all these crimes.

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<v Speaker 8>But because they're good people and they're doing it for

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<v Speaker 8>a good reason, and because nobody would doubt that they

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<v Speaker 8>were up to anything bad, they can also break into

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<v Speaker 8>these places like where Dracula lives and where he has

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<v Speaker 8>his stashed boxes of earth all over London and the

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<v Speaker 8>neighboring areas as well. We keep seeing this idea pop

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<v Speaker 8>up in movies and literature in funny ways. So either

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<v Speaker 8>we do it and it has become a standard norm,

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<v Speaker 8>or we've turned it into something that's absolutely ridiculous, and

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<v Speaker 8>sometimes in a comedy, then that's going to be really

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<v Speaker 8>really funny.

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<v Speaker 4>Well, what about garlic asked patrons Rachel Kashia, Ali Vessels,

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<v Speaker 4>Melanie Metzger, Britney Peak, Michael McLeod, Lucas O'Neil, Super, Sarah

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<v Speaker 4>Holly Spencer, Cassie Chowan and hold Avon, Aaron Ryan, Lizzy Carr,

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<v Speaker 4>r J. Deutche, Hannah Boyd, Michelle Zen Graf, Margo Lex

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<v Speaker 4>Clearwater and Nicole plus. First time question asker is Janelle

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<v Speaker 4>Faraj and Olivia French, as well as listener Slash Farmer

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<v Speaker 4>Scott Nichols, who offered if any of you are having

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<v Speaker 4>vampire problems, I have garlic. When did the garlic trope

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<v Speaker 4>come up?

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<v Speaker 8>Garlic is old so in Central and Eastern Europe. Garlic

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<v Speaker 8>is medicine. Garlic is medicine. Distilled alcohol is medicine. Vocal

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<v Speaker 8>honey is medicine. Right, honey doesn't go bad, and are

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<v Speaker 8>distilled alcohol. You can use that to clean cuts and

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<v Speaker 8>to reduce pain. And garlic is just very healthful. And

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<v Speaker 8>the interesting thing is, unlike onion, which will make your

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<v Speaker 8>mouth stink, when you eat garlic, it comes out of

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<v Speaker 8>your pores. I can remember being in Russia for the

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<v Speaker 8>first time in nineteen ninety two and right after the

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<v Speaker 8>fall of the Soviet Union, alcohol was really really cheap,

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<v Speaker 8>and people would just like put three fingers on their shirt,

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<v Speaker 8>meaning you know, I need two other people to split

489
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<v Speaker 8>the cost of a bottle of vodka with me. Go

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<v Speaker 8>into the park, and you can never In Central and

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<v Speaker 8>Eastern Europe, you never drink without eating. Oh and so

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<v Speaker 8>one of the things you can eat is garlic.

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<v Speaker 4>Okay, look this up and he's not lying. In Ukraine,

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<v Speaker 4>vodka is known as hurrialka, which derives from a root

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<v Speaker 4>word meaning it burns. And apparently it's very uncouth to

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<v Speaker 4>drink harilka without nibbling on things like thinly sliced pork

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<v Speaker 4>fat which is called sallow, or munch in it with

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<v Speaker 4>garlic pickles. Will that help you in any way? I

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<v Speaker 4>don't know about the heroica, but the garlic mite. And

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<v Speaker 4>according to many, many, many published stories like the twenty

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<v Speaker 4>fifteen Journal of Immunology report Immunomodulation and anti inflammatory Effects

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<v Speaker 4>of garlic compounds. It reports that Alium setavum, which is

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<v Speaker 4>garlic's birth name, can enhance the immune system by stimulating

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<v Speaker 4>certain cell types like quote macrophages, lymphocytes, natural killer cells,

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<v Speaker 4>dendritic cells, and eosinophills by mechanisms including modulation of cytokine secretion,

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<v Speaker 4>immunoglobulin production, pagocytosis, and macrophase activation. Sure is, what the

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<v Speaker 4>fuck does that mean? So it modulates inflammatory responses and

508
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<v Speaker 4>also helps your immune system attack invaders like maybe not

509
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<v Speaker 4>dead corpse invaders who are mad at you, but it's

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<v Speaker 4>worth a shot. But why so, stinky? I needed to know,

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<v Speaker 4>and I found out that sulfur compounds are released while

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<v Speaker 4>your body metabolizes garlic, and one chemical alyl methyl sulfide,

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<v Speaker 4>can't be broken down, so our body is like, Okay,

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<v Speaker 4>take this to the dump via your blood highway and

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<v Speaker 4>then just exit via the off ramps your lungs and skin.

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<v Speaker 4>So yes, even if you are tube fed garlic straight

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<v Speaker 4>into your stomach, you will still have garlic breath, which

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<v Speaker 4>is what one physician discovered in the nineteen thirties with

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<v Speaker 4>a patient who probably did not appreciate it. But other

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<v Speaker 4>docs are on the case too. There's this one researcher,

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<v Speaker 4>doctor Cheryl Barringer of Ohio State University, who has authored

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<v Speaker 4>so many papers on the matter of garlic breath, including

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<v Speaker 4>the twenty seventeen Journal of Food science Banger deodorization of

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<v Speaker 4>garlic breath by foods and the role of polyphenal oxidate

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<v Speaker 4>and phenola compounds in the deodorization of garlic breath, and

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<v Speaker 4>I've read a bunch of it. The TLDR is that

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<v Speaker 4>drinking milk or something with fat and water with garlic

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<v Speaker 4>and a meal can help break down that alwyl methyl

529
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<v Speaker 4>sulfide that stinks. And if you're like who chugs milk

530
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<v Speaker 4>these days unless it's a latte, you can try acidic

531
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<v Speaker 4>lemon juice or raw apple, which can also break down

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<v Speaker 4>that sulfur so that it won't have to take the

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<v Speaker 4>blood highway out of your lungs and skin. It can

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<v Speaker 4>take the regular southbound exits the turnpike to the toilet instead. Now,

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<v Speaker 4>herbs can also work, and according to doctor Barryh's other paper,

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<v Speaker 4>Deodorization of Garlic odor by Fresh and dried Herbs from

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<v Speaker 4>twenty twenty one, the team found that fresh rosemary had

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<v Speaker 4>the strongest deodorization effect among the fresh herbs, while dried

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<v Speaker 4>mint had the strongest effect among the dried herbs. So

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<v Speaker 4>munch some roseberry or have some mint tea. Perhaps now

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<v Speaker 4>this is only slightly related, but it's my show, so

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<v Speaker 4>I'm just gonna do one more tell you. The world

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<v Speaker 4>garlic capital is Gilroy, California, which is the smallish municipality

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<v Speaker 4>between San Francisco and Santa Barbara, and the entire freeway

545
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<v Speaker 4>stretch through Gilroy smells like fikasha, God bless it. And

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<v Speaker 4>they have a yearly garlic festival that involves garlic ice

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<v Speaker 4>cream and so many wonders. And somehow I wound up

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<v Speaker 4>on Gilroy's official city website and saw that their local

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<v Speaker 4>botanical gardens host a Halloween show for children. And who's

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<v Speaker 4>on stage, Buff Frankenstein. They got a ghost and a vampire.

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<v Speaker 4>Excuse me, Gilroy, You're the garlic capital of the world,

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<v Speaker 4>and somehow you casually thoughtlessly feature a vampire in your

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<v Speaker 4>Halloween show. Your whole October branding message should be the

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<v Speaker 4>world's safest haven from vampires. No vampires here. Visit Gilroy

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<v Speaker 4>and leave your chainmail turtlenecks behind. Capitalize on this, Gilroy.

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<v Speaker 5>I'm not mad.

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<v Speaker 4>I just expected more from you, I guess anyway. Yes,

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<v Speaker 4>Jeff remembers well the food and beverage culture of Eastern Europe,

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<v Speaker 4>the hard stuff at lunch with a side of garlic lard,

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<v Speaker 4>and honestly, it's probably delicious on the way down.

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<v Speaker 8>But I can remember being on the trams and just

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<v Speaker 8>smelling these people who smell like they're pickled between the

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<v Speaker 8>vodka and the garlic coming out of them. But it's

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<v Speaker 8>really high in vita vitamins and everything, and it grows well,

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<v Speaker 8>it grows abundantly in the conditions of Central and Eastern Europe,

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<v Speaker 8>and it has that magical property of coming out of

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<v Speaker 8>your skin and it's stinky. So if you can imagine,

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<v Speaker 8>onion might protect your mouth, which is an important orifice

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<v Speaker 8>to protect, but garlic protects your whole body. And so

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<v Speaker 8>you then have the full traditions of smearing garlic over

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<v Speaker 8>the window sills, any place where a vampire could come in,

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<v Speaker 8>any place where something evil could come in, any portal,

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<v Speaker 8>you then smear with garlic, and that's just a long

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<v Speaker 8>old tradition. So you can eat it and it makes

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<v Speaker 8>you healthy, and you can smear your your windows with

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<v Speaker 8>it in order to protect. And that falls into what

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<v Speaker 8>we call an apotropaic atropane to turn away an evil

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<v Speaker 8>spirit go negi, and so garlic is an apotropaic. It'll

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<v Speaker 8>repel vampires so an ounce of prevention is worth a

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<v Speaker 8>pound of cure. Right, So it's it's really hard to

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<v Speaker 8>kill a vampire. It's a whole lot easier just to

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<v Speaker 8>keep them away.

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<v Speaker 4>And we will devour them in a minute. But first

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<v Speaker 4>my dad, your grandpa, passed away from multiple maloma in July,

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<v Speaker 4>and Jeff, knowing that, wanted to point his donation that

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<v Speaker 4>way in honor of my dad, which warmed my bloody heart.

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<v Speaker 4>First up, a bunch of you patrons at Patreon dot

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<v Speaker 7>One of the last listener questions. We had a ton

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<v Speaker 7>of people wanted to know about fangs, which is great.

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<v Speaker 7>Joe Portefido wanted to know are they able to use

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<v Speaker 7>their fangs like straws to suck blood or do they

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<v Speaker 7>pierce and then they suck with their mouth?

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<v Speaker 4>Do they pop out? Are the fangs always out?

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<v Speaker 7>What do you think historically of different fang styles.

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<v Speaker 8>Great, So we have to distinguish between the folkloric vampire

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<v Speaker 8>and the literary vampire. Here to make that distinction, so

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<v Speaker 8>the folkloric vampire, there are a lot of things that

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<v Speaker 8>fit and take our blood in real life. So if

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<v Speaker 8>you've ever had an outside dog and found an engorged

627
00:34:36.559 --> 00:34:40.679
<v Speaker 8>tick on it, you can very quickly see how the

628
00:34:40.880 --> 00:34:44.440
<v Speaker 8>you know, the Bulgarians imagine the vampire is just a

629
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<v Speaker 8>bag of blood that kind of looks like a like

630
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<v Speaker 8>a like a Bulgarian bag pipe full of blood. That

631
00:34:50.760 --> 00:34:53.840
<v Speaker 8>also explains because they don't have bones. That also explains

632
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<v Speaker 8>how they would get in and out of a out

633
00:34:56.119 --> 00:34:59.840
<v Speaker 8>of a grave. Think of ticks, and think of leeches,

634
00:34:59.840 --> 00:35:02.559
<v Speaker 8>and think of fleas, and think of bed bugs and

635
00:35:03.079 --> 00:35:08.239
<v Speaker 8>mosquitoes and Ali, did you know that there are vampire finches?

636
00:35:08.599 --> 00:35:11.360
<v Speaker 7>I thought bats were the only ones, But I mean

637
00:35:11.679 --> 00:35:14.239
<v Speaker 7>vampire finches amazing.

638
00:35:14.239 --> 00:35:20.559
<v Speaker 8>Madrillennial butterflies, vampires blood suckers. The assassin kissing kissing bug

639
00:35:20.960 --> 00:35:24.760
<v Speaker 8>blood suckers. The candidus that's the one that will like

640
00:35:25.360 --> 00:35:28.079
<v Speaker 8>you're you know, in South America and you're peeing in

641
00:35:28.119 --> 00:35:31.800
<v Speaker 8>the water and it like jumps up into your urethra, no,

642
00:35:31.960 --> 00:35:35.079
<v Speaker 8>thank you. And lamb preise and lice and things. These

643
00:35:35.079 --> 00:35:36.840
<v Speaker 8>are all natural blood suckers.

644
00:35:37.280 --> 00:35:41.079
<v Speaker 4>Vampire finches. I know that that sounds fake, like attacks

645
00:35:41.159 --> 00:35:43.239
<v Speaker 4>evating flamingo, but it's true.

646
00:35:43.360 --> 00:35:43.920
<v Speaker 5>They exist.

647
00:35:44.039 --> 00:35:47.239
<v Speaker 4>And these little birdies with sharp beaks live on two

648
00:35:47.440 --> 00:35:50.199
<v Speaker 4>of the Galapagos Islands. And while they would love to

649
00:35:50.239 --> 00:35:54.000
<v Speaker 4>be eating seeds and drinking fresh water, the islands are

650
00:35:54.119 --> 00:35:58.800
<v Speaker 4>a bit arid, so they're simply forced. They are forced

651
00:35:59.000 --> 00:36:02.639
<v Speaker 4>to find a sad sit on its ass and peck

652
00:36:02.719 --> 00:36:06.159
<v Speaker 4>its wingtips to drink their blood. They must do it, so, yes,

653
00:36:06.480 --> 00:36:10.880
<v Speaker 4>they bloodsuckle blue footed boobies, and the world is weird. Also,

654
00:36:11.239 --> 00:36:15.559
<v Speaker 4>vampire bats, which likely started by eating ectoparasites and then

655
00:36:15.679 --> 00:36:17.639
<v Speaker 4>just kind of cut out the middle bug and went

656
00:36:17.719 --> 00:36:21.159
<v Speaker 4>straight for the blood. They puncture little fang holes and

657
00:36:21.199 --> 00:36:24.360
<v Speaker 4>then they just lap up what bleeds out. But what's

658
00:36:24.400 --> 00:36:28.519
<v Speaker 4>even creepier is that vampire bats, unlike most other bats,

659
00:36:28.719 --> 00:36:32.519
<v Speaker 4>can run on land on their wings. They just bound

660
00:36:32.559 --> 00:36:37.559
<v Speaker 4>around like beautiful furry little ghules. Videos of it are haunting.

661
00:36:37.760 --> 00:36:41.079
<v Speaker 4>But out of fourteen hundred species of bats on Earth,

662
00:36:41.159 --> 00:36:44.880
<v Speaker 4>only three species are vampire bats, and they are endemic.

663
00:36:44.960 --> 00:36:48.440
<v Speaker 4>To northern Mexico and Central America and a few countries

664
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<v Speaker 4>in South America. But speaking of regions and kind of

665
00:36:51.679 --> 00:36:55.920
<v Speaker 4>eerie hopping around, patron Nathan Andrew Leaflight left a comment

666
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<v Speaker 4>in this week's discussion thread on Patreon to tell me

667
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<v Speaker 4>about the folklore of the jungshi, or Chinese hopping vampires,

668
00:37:03.559 --> 00:37:09.719
<v Speaker 4>which are a reanimated corpse, sometimes fresh looking, sometimes horrifically decomposed.

669
00:37:09.760 --> 00:37:11.480
<v Speaker 4>It really depends on how all in you want to

670
00:37:11.519 --> 00:37:14.559
<v Speaker 4>go with your makeup, and jungshi means stiff, and so

671
00:37:14.719 --> 00:37:19.639
<v Speaker 4>a proper impersonation involves hopping like a bunny with outstretched

672
00:37:19.880 --> 00:37:23.719
<v Speaker 4>Frankenstein arms. And Nathan Andrew also casually told me to

673
00:37:23.760 --> 00:37:27.760
<v Speaker 4>look up Southeast Asian panangallin, which sounds kind of like

674
00:37:27.800 --> 00:37:31.039
<v Speaker 4>a type of omelet or like a custard dessert. But no,

675
00:37:31.559 --> 00:37:34.199
<v Speaker 4>oh no, I'm going to read you a small slice

676
00:37:34.239 --> 00:37:39.360
<v Speaker 4>of the Workipedia entry for penangalon, because that's plenty. It

677
00:37:39.400 --> 00:37:43.039
<v Speaker 4>says quote. Its form is that of a floating, disembodied

678
00:37:43.079 --> 00:37:47.559
<v Speaker 4>woman's head with its trailing organs still attached from afar.

679
00:37:47.840 --> 00:37:51.800
<v Speaker 4>It twinkles like a ball of flame, just a glowing

680
00:37:52.079 --> 00:37:56.800
<v Speaker 4>vampiric ball of decapitation and entrails. Nothing to see here now,

681
00:37:56.880 --> 00:38:00.719
<v Speaker 4>Same thing with the African Ashanti folkloric entities called oba Efo,

682
00:38:00.960 --> 00:38:04.719
<v Speaker 4>which are vampire witches that at night are said to

683
00:38:05.079 --> 00:38:09.480
<v Speaker 4>emit a phosphorescent light from their armpits and anus. Do

684
00:38:09.480 --> 00:38:11.400
<v Speaker 4>you know how boring and Dracula costume is at a

685
00:38:11.400 --> 00:38:14.519
<v Speaker 4>party when you could have a luminous and butthole, get

686
00:38:14.559 --> 00:38:17.800
<v Speaker 4>a couple glow sticks? Think outside the coffin? Will you

687
00:38:17.960 --> 00:38:21.039
<v Speaker 4>happy Halloween? Also for more on bats and ticks and

688
00:38:21.119 --> 00:38:23.519
<v Speaker 4>body farms and bones. You can see the other spook

689
00:38:23.519 --> 00:38:27.280
<v Speaker 4>Toberologies episodes anytime of the year really, but we'll link

690
00:38:27.320 --> 00:38:29.119
<v Speaker 4>them in the show notes for this. But yes, back

691
00:38:29.159 --> 00:38:32.719
<v Speaker 4>to Jeff and Eastern European and American vamps.

692
00:38:32.800 --> 00:38:35.920
<v Speaker 8>So you can see that comparison these things around us

693
00:38:36.119 --> 00:38:38.400
<v Speaker 8>in Central and Eastern Europe, at least half of those

694
00:38:38.400 --> 00:38:41.400
<v Speaker 8>things are feeding blood from us. And then how do

695
00:38:41.440 --> 00:38:43.840
<v Speaker 8>you get blood out of a victim? It's got to

696
00:38:43.880 --> 00:38:47.239
<v Speaker 8>be something sharp. And if you're living around bed bugs

697
00:38:47.280 --> 00:38:49.320
<v Speaker 8>and things, so you've probably got bite marks on you.

698
00:38:49.480 --> 00:38:53.440
<v Speaker 8>So that kind of explains bite marks, it explains the

699
00:38:53.480 --> 00:38:57.400
<v Speaker 8>diseases that you might get. This area isn't particularly known

700
00:38:57.440 --> 00:39:01.039
<v Speaker 8>for malaria, despite its swamps is just to cold for malaria,

701
00:39:01.480 --> 00:39:06.039
<v Speaker 8>and so our folkloric vampires. What we say is we

702
00:39:06.119 --> 00:39:12.400
<v Speaker 8>never see a folkloric vampire feeding. We only find its victims.

703
00:39:13.239 --> 00:39:16.199
<v Speaker 8>And so when you have a person who's been ex sanguinated,

704
00:39:16.400 --> 00:39:19.239
<v Speaker 8>a person who's lost blood, is something's got to be

705
00:39:19.280 --> 00:39:22.000
<v Speaker 8>taking that blood from them. Why are they withering? Why

706
00:39:22.000 --> 00:39:25.800
<v Speaker 8>are they shrinking? And then that we make that jump

707
00:39:25.840 --> 00:39:28.679
<v Speaker 8>in logic to say that this must be something that

708
00:39:28.760 --> 00:39:32.440
<v Speaker 8>is sucking the life force of blood out of these victims.

709
00:39:32.440 --> 00:39:38.599
<v Speaker 8>And again that's why the vampires are blamed for wasting diseases.

710
00:39:38.639 --> 00:39:42.719
<v Speaker 8>It's not all diseases. It's not bubonic plague, at least

711
00:39:42.719 --> 00:39:45.440
<v Speaker 8>in the beginning. Not going to attribute bubonic plag to

712
00:39:45.519 --> 00:39:48.800
<v Speaker 8>vampires or measles or chicken pox or something like that,

713
00:39:49.360 --> 00:39:53.559
<v Speaker 8>but wasting diseases, anemia and things like that make really

714
00:39:53.920 --> 00:39:57.760
<v Speaker 8>logical choices that we have there. So now in terms

715
00:39:57.760 --> 00:40:01.840
<v Speaker 8>of literary vampires and cinemat vampires, we can get close

716
00:40:01.920 --> 00:40:04.719
<v Speaker 8>enough to them. As a kid, when I saw vampires drinking,

717
00:40:04.760 --> 00:40:08.199
<v Speaker 8>I was completely convinced that they had straws in their teeth.

718
00:40:09.039 --> 00:40:11.400
<v Speaker 8>And every kid going to McDonald's, you know, stick two

719
00:40:11.400 --> 00:40:13.880
<v Speaker 8>straws up into their mouths and pretend to be a

720
00:40:13.960 --> 00:40:16.519
<v Speaker 8>vampire and drink from that, And so I was completely

721
00:40:16.519 --> 00:40:18.800
<v Speaker 8>convinced that vampires had came unt you. Then then they were,

722
00:40:19.000 --> 00:40:20.800
<v Speaker 8>you know, sucking their blood up through that, and then

723
00:40:20.840 --> 00:40:23.239
<v Speaker 8>I was like, actually, it just be easier to put

724
00:40:23.239 --> 00:40:26.440
<v Speaker 8>it down your throat. Yeah, So we can catch a

725
00:40:26.440 --> 00:40:29.880
<v Speaker 8>cinematic vampire in the act and do a dental examination,

726
00:40:30.280 --> 00:40:34.679
<v Speaker 8>but with folklork vampires, we never see them feeding. We

727
00:40:34.760 --> 00:40:36.440
<v Speaker 8>only find the victims.

728
00:40:36.480 --> 00:40:40.480
<v Speaker 4>Thanks not hollow. So if you've been thinking they're like

729
00:40:40.719 --> 00:40:44.639
<v Speaker 4>rattlesnake teeth but with a suction function, we have been

730
00:40:44.639 --> 00:40:48.679
<v Speaker 4>officially divested of such flim flam by a professional vamprologist.

731
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<v Speaker 7>Last listener question, a few people asked boldly, I thought

732
00:40:53.360 --> 00:40:55.519
<v Speaker 7>this was a great question. I wouldn't have thought to

733
00:40:55.519 --> 00:40:58.719
<v Speaker 7>ask it. Nancy Kay Clark, World Nurse Collective and Lauren

734
00:40:59.119 --> 00:41:03.840
<v Speaker 7>Mascabroda wanted to know if vampires were real and you

735
00:41:03.920 --> 00:41:06.800
<v Speaker 7>could be one, would you all in one to know?

736
00:41:06.920 --> 00:41:08.920
<v Speaker 7>Would you ever vampire as a verb?

737
00:41:12.039 --> 00:41:16.360
<v Speaker 8>That depends on the conditions under which I'm a vampire.

738
00:41:17.159 --> 00:41:20.960
<v Speaker 8>So there's the moral burden of saying, if I am

739
00:41:21.000 --> 00:41:23.920
<v Speaker 8>a blood drinking vampire, then do I have to drink

740
00:41:24.639 --> 00:41:27.800
<v Speaker 8>human blood? Can I drink animal blood? Or is there

741
00:41:27.800 --> 00:41:32.360
<v Speaker 8>a synthetic blood substitute, or is there a way of

742
00:41:32.480 --> 00:41:36.000
<v Speaker 8>just like feeling that urge, but you can stop it

743
00:41:36.079 --> 00:41:38.760
<v Speaker 8>in some other way. It's bad enough to be human

744
00:41:39.039 --> 00:41:41.960
<v Speaker 8>and to see history repeating itself over and over and over.

745
00:41:42.360 --> 00:41:45.519
<v Speaker 8>Now you know, make that centuries. I think that would

746
00:41:45.559 --> 00:41:49.239
<v Speaker 8>get really frustrating after a while. And that's also why

747
00:41:49.280 --> 00:41:53.719
<v Speaker 8>you have vampires in certain works of vampire fiction that

748
00:41:53.840 --> 00:41:59.199
<v Speaker 8>vampires can't kill themselves. There's actually a prohibition against vampire suicide,

749
00:41:59.400 --> 00:42:01.360
<v Speaker 8>and so you eat have to I don't pay another

750
00:42:01.440 --> 00:42:04.199
<v Speaker 8>vampire to slay you, or provoke a.

751
00:42:04.239 --> 00:42:05.280
<v Speaker 9>Slayer to do that.

752
00:42:05.320 --> 00:42:09.679
<v Speaker 8>But when you're tired and you finally need that, you know.

753
00:42:09.679 --> 00:42:09.760
<v Speaker 11>The.

754
00:42:11.840 --> 00:42:14.199
<v Speaker 9>Literature is still throwing barriers in.

755
00:42:14.519 --> 00:42:17.119
<v Speaker 8>Our way to try to keep us from ending ourselves,

756
00:42:17.159 --> 00:42:21.119
<v Speaker 8>which is just a really old tradition of prohibitions against

757
00:42:21.119 --> 00:42:23.679
<v Speaker 8>suicide and self harm. And that's that's why we'll have

758
00:42:23.920 --> 00:42:27.079
<v Speaker 8>works where vampires can't feed off themselves. It's like perpetual

759
00:42:27.119 --> 00:42:28.519
<v Speaker 8>motion vampire machine.

760
00:42:28.639 --> 00:42:30.840
<v Speaker 9>Right, Well, I can just drink.

761
00:42:30.639 --> 00:42:33.519
<v Speaker 8>From myself and then yeah, I'm only harming myself in

762
00:42:33.559 --> 00:42:38.320
<v Speaker 8>a movie like Daybreakers, that will accelerate your de evolution

763
00:42:38.639 --> 00:42:42.679
<v Speaker 8>into a subsider, and then to drink another vampire's blood

764
00:42:42.800 --> 00:42:44.840
<v Speaker 8>will cause that, and then to drink your own will

765
00:42:44.840 --> 00:42:45.559
<v Speaker 8>be even worse.

766
00:42:46.119 --> 00:42:49.280
<v Speaker 4>Just a PS. I had never seen Daybreakers, but Daybreakers

767
00:42:49.440 --> 00:42:52.639
<v Speaker 4>is the two thousand and nine film starring Ethan Hawke

768
00:42:52.719 --> 00:42:55.480
<v Speaker 4>as a hematologist, which is a blood scientist, And yes,

769
00:42:55.599 --> 00:42:57.800
<v Speaker 4>we do have a hematology episode. I'll link it in

770
00:42:57.800 --> 00:43:00.559
<v Speaker 4>the show notes. But in Daybreakers, vampires have taken over

771
00:43:00.599 --> 00:43:04.440
<v Speaker 4>the world after this plague started by a bat rude

772
00:43:04.559 --> 00:43:06.840
<v Speaker 4>because we love bats. But in the movie there's a

773
00:43:06.880 --> 00:43:10.239
<v Speaker 4>blood shortage, and a subsider is a version of a

774
00:43:10.320 --> 00:43:14.880
<v Speaker 4>vampire that's starving and desperate and jonesing for blood. And

775
00:43:15.000 --> 00:43:18.079
<v Speaker 4>I looked into it. Here's my theory based on the

776
00:43:18.119 --> 00:43:21.639
<v Speaker 4>filmmakers' ages. They're twin brothers born in nineteen seventy six

777
00:43:21.880 --> 00:43:24.320
<v Speaker 4>who attended part of high school in the early nineteen

778
00:43:24.360 --> 00:43:28.920
<v Speaker 4>nineties in New Jersey. I think Subsiders were born out

779
00:43:28.960 --> 00:43:32.000
<v Speaker 4>of the vestiges of the Reagan era War on Drugs,

780
00:43:32.119 --> 00:43:34.760
<v Speaker 4>which taught school children that if you ever tried any

781
00:43:34.760 --> 00:43:38.079
<v Speaker 4>addictive substance. You would live in a sewer, your face

782
00:43:38.199 --> 00:43:41.199
<v Speaker 4>would be a battlefield of self inflicted gashes, and you

783
00:43:41.199 --> 00:43:44.440
<v Speaker 4>would break into people's homes desperate for your substance of choice,

784
00:43:44.480 --> 00:43:47.719
<v Speaker 4>before being killed to the jubulation of cops, which happens

785
00:43:47.719 --> 00:43:50.639
<v Speaker 4>in the movie Subsiders should just say no to human blood.

786
00:43:50.920 --> 00:43:55.079
<v Speaker 8>We fixed it, so we throw those prohibitions. So I

787
00:43:55.119 --> 00:43:57.559
<v Speaker 8>will try to lead the best and cleanest life that

788
00:43:57.599 --> 00:44:00.960
<v Speaker 8>I can while I have it. But the East European

789
00:44:01.280 --> 00:44:03.840
<v Speaker 8>life cycle, you want to do your part and complete

790
00:44:03.880 --> 00:44:08.320
<v Speaker 8>your life cycle and go, but not too old. So

791
00:44:08.400 --> 00:44:12.039
<v Speaker 8>people who lived to a very old age are accused

792
00:44:12.079 --> 00:44:15.039
<v Speaker 8>of taking more than their fair share of life force.

793
00:44:15.960 --> 00:44:19.039
<v Speaker 8>Hence the prohibition against very old people. And there are

794
00:44:19.079 --> 00:44:22.760
<v Speaker 8>a lot of prohibitions. There's a huge list and they're

795
00:44:22.800 --> 00:44:24.000
<v Speaker 8>absolutely fascinating.

796
00:44:24.599 --> 00:44:28.119
<v Speaker 4>Okay, So I looked into laws against being old and

797
00:44:28.159 --> 00:44:30.039
<v Speaker 4>I couldn't find anything, and so I checked in with

798
00:44:30.119 --> 00:44:33.679
<v Speaker 4>Jeff and he meant prohibited in more of a resource sense.

799
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<v Speaker 4>But on that note, In March of twenty twenty one,

800
00:44:36.719 --> 00:44:41.079
<v Speaker 4>the World Health Organization released its first ever global report

801
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<v Speaker 4>on agism, and you can download this two hundred and

802
00:44:44.360 --> 00:44:47.280
<v Speaker 4>two page pdf but I'll summarize it for you here.

803
00:44:47.440 --> 00:44:50.920
<v Speaker 4>People are mean to old people and disabled people and

804
00:44:51.000 --> 00:44:54.039
<v Speaker 4>it sucks, so knock it off. There you go, and

805
00:44:54.119 --> 00:44:55.760
<v Speaker 4>I will link that report on my site if you

806
00:44:55.800 --> 00:44:58.360
<v Speaker 4>want more granular details though, But okay, one more listener

807
00:44:58.400 --> 00:45:03.039
<v Speaker 4>question asked by Andrea Devlin, Red Cedar, Kathleen Sachs, Alexandra cattoul,

808
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<v Speaker 4>Anda Frasier, Shelby Smith, Niki demrco Alia Myers Down Tween,

809
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<v Speaker 4>Canna Peters Beck's Woodruff, connie E Carringer, Metta Richardson, Jacqueline Church,

810
00:45:10.920 --> 00:45:13.800
<v Speaker 4>Bennet Gerber, Sam Taylor, Anina Jacoby. They all wanted to

811
00:45:13.840 --> 00:45:17.239
<v Speaker 4>know if Jeff has a favorite vampire movie or franchise,

812
00:45:17.639 --> 00:45:20.519
<v Speaker 4>and all these people mentioned the following titles. I'm just

813
00:45:20.519 --> 00:45:22.039
<v Speaker 4>going to say so that they get on your radar,

814
00:45:22.119 --> 00:45:25.280
<v Speaker 4>you ready, Black Youla Fright Night, Once Bitten Vamp, a

815
00:45:25.360 --> 00:45:28.559
<v Speaker 4>Vampire in Brooklyn from Dust Till Dawn, Blade, Queen of

816
00:45:28.599 --> 00:45:32.360
<v Speaker 4>the Damned, Let the Right One in the Invitation Lost Boys,

817
00:45:32.519 --> 00:45:36.199
<v Speaker 4>Buffy the Vampire Slayer of Course, Vamperina Dark Shadows, the

818
00:45:36.280 --> 00:45:39.079
<v Speaker 4>new Interview with a Vampire series on AMC. And I

819
00:45:39.079 --> 00:45:41.519
<v Speaker 4>had never heard of this, but the mel Brooks Dracula

820
00:45:41.760 --> 00:45:45.840
<v Speaker 4>Dead and loving it. So Jeff pressures on pick one.

821
00:45:46.239 --> 00:45:49.760
<v Speaker 7>Is there a vampire in a pop culture that you

822
00:45:50.079 --> 00:45:52.880
<v Speaker 7>feel like is your favorite?

823
00:45:53.280 --> 00:45:56.880
<v Speaker 8>Every age creates a vampire that it needs. Every vampire

824
00:45:57.519 --> 00:46:00.800
<v Speaker 8>meets a need at a certain time. You know, sometimes

825
00:46:00.800 --> 00:46:03.480
<v Speaker 8>I like chocolate ice cream, sometimes I like mint ice cream.

826
00:46:03.599 --> 00:46:06.119
<v Speaker 8>So there are certain times when I need a certain

827
00:46:06.159 --> 00:46:09.679
<v Speaker 8>type of vampire movie to watch. And if that's frustration,

828
00:46:09.840 --> 00:46:13.119
<v Speaker 8>or if that's hope or redemption or something like that,

829
00:46:13.519 --> 00:46:17.039
<v Speaker 8>I'll pull those different vampires out. So I don't typically

830
00:46:17.119 --> 00:46:21.800
<v Speaker 8>have the one time, all time favorite.

831
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<v Speaker 4>But you're definitely team Edward, right.

832
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<v Speaker 9>Why are you saying that?

833
00:46:26.519 --> 00:46:30.760
<v Speaker 6>From you're asking me to pick a vampire over a werewolf.

834
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<v Speaker 6>That's that's not too much of a problem, and I

835
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<v Speaker 6>can have any answer. I would say, I would probably

836
00:46:36.719 --> 00:46:40.719
<v Speaker 6>say more that I'm Team Cullen than Team Edward, so

837
00:46:41.000 --> 00:46:42.800
<v Speaker 6>I'll stick within that general family.

838
00:46:43.320 --> 00:46:43.719
<v Speaker 5>PS.

839
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<v Speaker 4>If you haven't seen Twilight, Edward lives with a whole

840
00:46:46.880 --> 00:46:50.320
<v Speaker 4>ass coven of vampires in a cool house, and his

841
00:46:50.480 --> 00:46:55.119
<v Speaker 4>adoptive parents are vampires. They're frozen in the ages of

842
00:46:55.159 --> 00:46:58.880
<v Speaker 4>like twenty three and twenty six because someone's got to

843
00:46:58.880 --> 00:47:01.320
<v Speaker 4>buy wine coolers for these one hundred and four year

844
00:47:01.320 --> 00:47:04.480
<v Speaker 4>old teen vampires, except they don't really drink, and they're

845
00:47:04.519 --> 00:47:08.599
<v Speaker 4>also teetotalers of human blood. They're just like just puma juice. Please,

846
00:47:08.800 --> 00:47:12.880
<v Speaker 4>But Team Jacob, how dare anyone even imply it? To Jeff?

847
00:47:13.320 --> 00:47:15.800
<v Speaker 7>That's a good answer. What about the hardest thing about

848
00:47:15.800 --> 00:47:18.320
<v Speaker 7>your job? The hardest thing when it comes to researching this?

849
00:47:18.760 --> 00:47:20.559
<v Speaker 7>Is there something that is frustrating about it?

850
00:47:20.599 --> 00:47:24.119
<v Speaker 8>Well, I'm a teacher, so I spend my time teaching

851
00:47:24.159 --> 00:47:27.760
<v Speaker 8>about this. It is fascinating, and I think everybody needs

852
00:47:27.800 --> 00:47:32.320
<v Speaker 8>to understand vampires in so much more depth than typically

853
00:47:32.320 --> 00:47:35.519
<v Speaker 8>what we reduce them to in vampire movies. You can

854
00:47:35.559 --> 00:47:39.000
<v Speaker 8>watch a vampire movie for pure entertainment, and that's okay.

855
00:47:39.039 --> 00:47:43.280
<v Speaker 8>If all you're doing is passing the time by consuming media,

856
00:47:42.920 --> 00:47:47.639
<v Speaker 8>that's completely okay. There are perhaps other better forms of

857
00:47:47.760 --> 00:47:53.320
<v Speaker 8>escapism than vampire movies. But with my job of trying

858
00:47:53.320 --> 00:47:56.960
<v Speaker 8>to get people to understand vampires, it is to take

859
00:47:56.960 --> 00:48:01.639
<v Speaker 8>that folkloric vampire and understand how and why people held

860
00:48:01.679 --> 00:48:05.239
<v Speaker 8>it in their belief system. And it takes four very

861
00:48:05.239 --> 00:48:10.039
<v Speaker 8>intense weeks of unprogramming people and getting people to understand

862
00:48:10.079 --> 00:48:13.079
<v Speaker 8>how people were living in Central and Eastern Europe in

863
00:48:13.199 --> 00:48:16.360
<v Speaker 8>pre modern times, when it was really living year to

864
00:48:16.440 --> 00:48:20.159
<v Speaker 8>year in survival kind of mode, and all of the

865
00:48:20.199 --> 00:48:24.320
<v Speaker 8>things that could kill you out there. To get everybody

866
00:48:24.360 --> 00:48:28.719
<v Speaker 8>to peel back their their western lenses, their modern lenses,

867
00:48:28.800 --> 00:48:32.840
<v Speaker 8>their twentieth and twenty first century lenses, and that attitude

868
00:48:32.920 --> 00:48:36.679
<v Speaker 8>of taking someone else's belief system and calling it superstition,

869
00:48:37.239 --> 00:48:40.440
<v Speaker 8>so to get people to understand why we needed a

870
00:48:40.440 --> 00:48:43.840
<v Speaker 8>folkloric vampire. So many people can't understand why you would

871
00:48:44.480 --> 00:48:48.000
<v Speaker 8>invent a vampire just to be scary, and that's one

872
00:48:48.000 --> 00:48:49.840
<v Speaker 8>of the reasons we do it for movies and films,

873
00:48:49.880 --> 00:48:54.159
<v Speaker 8>but that wasn't the reason why we developed a folkloric vampire.

874
00:48:54.679 --> 00:48:56.760
<v Speaker 8>It takes a very long time to get people to

875
00:48:57.119 --> 00:49:01.320
<v Speaker 8>process that and then to get people to really reflect

876
00:49:01.360 --> 00:49:04.280
<v Speaker 8>on that phrase. Every age creates the vampire that it

877
00:49:04.360 --> 00:49:06.360
<v Speaker 8>needs to be able to say I can watch this

878
00:49:06.440 --> 00:49:09.440
<v Speaker 8>movie for entertainment, but I can also treat it as

879
00:49:09.440 --> 00:49:12.639
<v Speaker 8>a cultural artifact and say this is telling me something

880
00:49:12.679 --> 00:49:15.719
<v Speaker 8>about the people who created it and the time in

881
00:49:15.719 --> 00:49:19.280
<v Speaker 8>which it was created. And to see a vampire movie

882
00:49:19.320 --> 00:49:24.719
<v Speaker 8>that is popular over many, many years means that the filmmaker,

883
00:49:24.840 --> 00:49:29.079
<v Speaker 8>the author is tapping into these human universals that we

884
00:49:29.119 --> 00:49:32.320
<v Speaker 8>are probably never going to solve. Who can you trust?

885
00:49:32.760 --> 00:49:33.880
<v Speaker 8>This has Let the Right One In?

886
00:49:34.239 --> 00:49:36.360
<v Speaker 4>If you're down to be scared as hell. The two

887
00:49:36.400 --> 00:49:39.880
<v Speaker 4>thousand and eight original Swedish version of Let the Right

888
00:49:39.920 --> 00:49:45.119
<v Speaker 4>One In involves adolescens, trust, and of course vampirism, and

889
00:49:45.519 --> 00:49:49.360
<v Speaker 4>it's sports in ninety eight percent fresh rating on Rotten Tomatoes.

890
00:49:49.440 --> 00:49:53.519
<v Speaker 4>One critic Joe Lipsett of the Horror Queers podcast, writing

891
00:49:53.559 --> 00:49:56.760
<v Speaker 4>that quote, it's a near perfect horror film that captures

892
00:49:56.760 --> 00:49:59.559
<v Speaker 4>the horrors of bullying and coming of age and a

893
00:49:59.639 --> 00:50:04.039
<v Speaker 4>ChIL unflinching fashion. Is this a classic queer romance or

894
00:50:04.079 --> 00:50:07.639
<v Speaker 4>a morally conflicted tragedy? The answer may just be yes,

895
00:50:07.920 --> 00:50:10.719
<v Speaker 4>Joe writes, and I watched the trailer and I was

896
00:50:10.800 --> 00:50:14.519
<v Speaker 4>afflicted with instant goosebumps. So that's two thousand and eights

897
00:50:14.679 --> 00:50:15.480
<v Speaker 4>Let the Right One In?

898
00:50:15.800 --> 00:50:18.519
<v Speaker 8>Who can you let into your life, into your bedroom,

899
00:50:19.119 --> 00:50:22.880
<v Speaker 8>into your family? And what are the signs of the

900
00:50:22.920 --> 00:50:27.960
<v Speaker 8>red flags for dangerous people? Can people overcome their dark

901
00:50:28.239 --> 00:50:33.239
<v Speaker 8>pasts or their urges? We're constantly focused on that you

902
00:50:33.239 --> 00:50:35.719
<v Speaker 8>can have a really good vampire movie that is popular

903
00:50:35.920 --> 00:50:39.599
<v Speaker 8>only in a specific time. Frankl Angela's nineteen seventy nine

904
00:50:39.719 --> 00:50:43.440
<v Speaker 8>Dracula is like that, based on marital infidelity, you know,

905
00:50:43.800 --> 00:50:47.360
<v Speaker 8>as divorce rates were rising. That's that's great, But the

906
00:50:47.440 --> 00:50:53.360
<v Speaker 8>movies which keep coming back and stay fresh and intriguing.

907
00:50:53.440 --> 00:50:56.800
<v Speaker 8>Dracula is again one hundred and twenty five years old,

908
00:50:56.840 --> 00:51:02.159
<v Speaker 8>and it is still completely rereadable. It's still moving because

909
00:51:02.239 --> 00:51:07.119
<v Speaker 8>the themes of disease and marital infidelity and the danger

910
00:51:07.159 --> 00:51:10.960
<v Speaker 8>of foreigners and the fears that we have of things

911
00:51:10.960 --> 00:51:13.840
<v Speaker 8>that are not like us, those will always tap into

912
00:51:14.360 --> 00:51:19.000
<v Speaker 8>lizard brain and make us afraid and consuming that as

913
00:51:19.079 --> 00:51:23.519
<v Speaker 8>literature will always get that chemical release that we can't

914
00:51:23.559 --> 00:51:27.480
<v Speaker 8>control that makes it compelling and interesting to consume.

915
00:51:27.760 --> 00:51:31.840
<v Speaker 4>Which is also why having anchors on cable news screaming

916
00:51:31.880 --> 00:51:36.199
<v Speaker 4>opinion pieces generates billions of dollars a year and influences

917
00:51:36.199 --> 00:51:40.239
<v Speaker 4>who's in power, while also fomenting hatred and division. But

918
00:51:40.360 --> 00:51:44.079
<v Speaker 4>if you lost your older loved ones to political talk

919
00:51:44.159 --> 00:51:47.039
<v Speaker 4>radio and the nineteen eighties, should have rubbed some garlic

920
00:51:47.079 --> 00:51:49.719
<v Speaker 4>on the dashboard. But on a brighter note, and is

921
00:51:49.719 --> 00:51:52.440
<v Speaker 4>there a favorite thing about it? Is there something that

922
00:51:52.519 --> 00:51:54.840
<v Speaker 4>just really hooks you. Is it the tie to your

923
00:51:54.880 --> 00:51:57.199
<v Speaker 4>maybe your own history, or is it just kind of

924
00:51:57.280 --> 00:51:58.239
<v Speaker 4>how enduring it is.

925
00:52:01.400 --> 00:52:05.679
<v Speaker 8>We learned to spot vampires all around us, and so

926
00:52:06.119 --> 00:52:09.519
<v Speaker 8>it is it's a lens to see the world. We

927
00:52:09.639 --> 00:52:13.079
<v Speaker 8>have four types of vampires. So we have our folkloric

928
00:52:13.159 --> 00:52:17.119
<v Speaker 8>vampire that existed in the belief system. We have our

929
00:52:17.159 --> 00:52:21.119
<v Speaker 8>literary vampire with its subtype of cinematic vampire. We have

930
00:52:21.159 --> 00:52:24.760
<v Speaker 8>the psychotic vampire, which is a real person who has

931
00:52:24.760 --> 00:52:28.199
<v Speaker 8>a mental illness who attacks a person in the style

932
00:52:28.360 --> 00:52:33.400
<v Speaker 8>of a folkloric vampire or a cinematic vampire literary vampire.

933
00:52:33.719 --> 00:52:36.000
<v Speaker 8>And it's a criminal act to do that, to attack

934
00:52:36.039 --> 00:52:37.199
<v Speaker 8>someone and drink their blood.

935
00:52:37.519 --> 00:52:38.000
<v Speaker 5>Ps.

936
00:52:38.559 --> 00:52:41.199
<v Speaker 4>Just try not to do this, especially if you happen

937
00:52:41.280 --> 00:52:44.199
<v Speaker 4>to have open stomach ulcers. It's a great way to

938
00:52:44.239 --> 00:52:47.119
<v Speaker 4>catch a disease. And according to a recent and pretty

939
00:52:47.119 --> 00:52:50.960
<v Speaker 4>helpful pop science article titled is It Okay to drink blood?

940
00:52:51.400 --> 00:52:54.719
<v Speaker 4>And excess of iron can be fatal to humans unless

941
00:52:54.760 --> 00:53:01.800
<v Speaker 4>you're into vomiting, diarrhea, abdominal pain, dehydration, or maybe hepatitis.

942
00:53:02.159 --> 00:53:05.400
<v Speaker 4>Just grab a cold press beet juice and lie to

943
00:53:05.440 --> 00:53:07.760
<v Speaker 4>your vampire friends. Your secrets safe. With me, I'm not

944
00:53:07.760 --> 00:53:08.559
<v Speaker 4>going to tell anyone.

945
00:53:08.880 --> 00:53:12.000
<v Speaker 8>And then we have the psychic vampire, the person who

946
00:53:12.360 --> 00:53:17.440
<v Speaker 8>seems to suck the psychic energy or energy from your body.

947
00:53:17.480 --> 00:53:21.719
<v Speaker 8>This is the now most most commonly known to people

948
00:53:21.800 --> 00:53:25.159
<v Speaker 8>through the Colin Robinson image of what we do in

949
00:53:25.199 --> 00:53:32.280
<v Speaker 8>The Shadows, the television series. Everybody has known a psychic

950
00:53:32.360 --> 00:53:34.760
<v Speaker 8>vampire in their life, and this is the person who

951
00:53:34.840 --> 00:53:40.119
<v Speaker 8>uses fear, intimidation, or guilt or shame to weaken another person.

952
00:53:40.519 --> 00:53:43.960
<v Speaker 8>And when you're standing from the outside and looking on

953
00:53:44.480 --> 00:53:48.239
<v Speaker 8>it really does look like that person is sucking life

954
00:53:48.239 --> 00:53:53.119
<v Speaker 8>force out of the victim there. Well, what really is happening,

955
00:53:53.119 --> 00:53:56.199
<v Speaker 8>of courus is that that person who's using that intimidation

956
00:53:56.800 --> 00:53:59.719
<v Speaker 8>is getting a rush from it. And these are our

957
00:54:00.079 --> 00:54:04.280
<v Speaker 8>user chemicals that our brain creates in using intimidation or

958
00:54:04.400 --> 00:54:08.440
<v Speaker 8>seeing the results of our action and having that satisfaction

959
00:54:09.159 --> 00:54:11.960
<v Speaker 8>or that thrill that you're doing that. And at the

960
00:54:12.000 --> 00:54:15.599
<v Speaker 8>same time, the person who is undergoing that is having

961
00:54:15.920 --> 00:54:19.760
<v Speaker 8>negative chemicals being produced in their body which will lead

962
00:54:19.800 --> 00:54:23.480
<v Speaker 8>to loss of appetite and fear and nervousness and anxiety

963
00:54:23.599 --> 00:54:24.079
<v Speaker 8>and everything.

964
00:54:24.079 --> 00:54:25.119
<v Speaker 9>And it really.

965
00:54:24.880 --> 00:54:28.519
<v Speaker 8>Looks from the outside that that psychic vampires is draining

966
00:54:28.599 --> 00:54:31.360
<v Speaker 8>that person. We can explain that with brain chemistry, So

967
00:54:31.440 --> 00:54:35.920
<v Speaker 8>thank you modern modern brain science for giving that reaction.

968
00:54:36.000 --> 00:54:37.760
<v Speaker 1>But we can.

969
00:54:38.000 --> 00:54:42.480
<v Speaker 8>Spot those similarities in our everyday life.

970
00:54:42.800 --> 00:54:46.519
<v Speaker 4>So those are psychic vampires. And maybe ask yourself what

971
00:54:46.719 --> 00:54:50.679
<v Speaker 4>media do you consume that leaves you feeling anxious and

972
00:54:50.760 --> 00:54:54.440
<v Speaker 4>shitty and afraid and smaller, and what people do you

973
00:54:54.480 --> 00:54:58.280
<v Speaker 4>associate with who seem to delight in your defeat? If

974
00:54:58.320 --> 00:55:02.079
<v Speaker 4>you're feeling drained, you might have a psycho vampire. And also, conversely,

975
00:55:02.280 --> 00:55:05.119
<v Speaker 4>do you hate watch certain people's Instagram stories? Do you

976
00:55:05.199 --> 00:55:08.079
<v Speaker 4>tear down cheesy bloggers in the comment section? Check in

977
00:55:08.119 --> 00:55:12.360
<v Speaker 4>with yourself. Every vampire rises up depending on need, and

978
00:55:12.400 --> 00:55:15.119
<v Speaker 4>maybe you need different things to fuel you. And if

979
00:55:15.159 --> 00:55:18.719
<v Speaker 4>you're actually trying to attack people and consume their blood,

980
00:55:19.119 --> 00:55:21.519
<v Speaker 4>which happens from time to time, you might have a

981
00:55:21.519 --> 00:55:26.480
<v Speaker 4>condition known as clinical vamporism, sometimes called psychotic vamporism or

982
00:55:26.880 --> 00:55:30.639
<v Speaker 4>Renfield syndrome, which is an obsession with drinking blood and

983
00:55:30.719 --> 00:55:35.159
<v Speaker 4>in honor of Dracula's sycophantic servant, psychologist doctor Richard Knowles

984
00:55:35.239 --> 00:55:39.920
<v Speaker 4>snarkily coined this term Renfield syndrome in protest to psychiatry

985
00:55:39.960 --> 00:55:44.800
<v Speaker 4>having too many diagnoses, and to his dismay, it actually

986
00:55:44.840 --> 00:55:47.800
<v Speaker 4>stuck as a term to describe waty to drink blood.

987
00:55:47.880 --> 00:55:51.119
<v Speaker 4>So it's like a choke turned reality for him. That's

988
00:55:51.159 --> 00:55:53.639
<v Speaker 4>just got to really, I guess it's got to suck.

989
00:55:53.920 --> 00:55:57.400
<v Speaker 8>Every year we're going to have a news article of

990
00:55:57.639 --> 00:56:00.679
<v Speaker 8>someone who attacks someone and drinks their blood. And we

991
00:56:00.800 --> 00:56:06.000
<v Speaker 8>know psychic vampires in our lives, and we read literary

992
00:56:06.079 --> 00:56:10.480
<v Speaker 8>vampires and see those parallels to our own lives, and again,

993
00:56:10.519 --> 00:56:16.079
<v Speaker 8>those vampires are processing these basic human existential problems. Good

994
00:56:16.159 --> 00:56:19.400
<v Speaker 8>vampire literature never gets old. It might get a little

995
00:56:19.440 --> 00:56:23.519
<v Speaker 8>bit worn out, but it's the vampires evolved so much

996
00:56:23.800 --> 00:56:27.079
<v Speaker 8>that if we've had enough of remorseful vampires, then we'll

997
00:56:27.199 --> 00:56:32.119
<v Speaker 8>pull out the predator vampire again. And if those are exhausted,

998
00:56:32.639 --> 00:56:36.639
<v Speaker 8>we can create that next form of a vampire. And

999
00:56:36.840 --> 00:56:41.679
<v Speaker 8>we're held in check by whether that innovation will resonate

1000
00:56:42.000 --> 00:56:44.400
<v Speaker 8>with the people who are consuming it. And that's why

1001
00:56:44.440 --> 00:56:47.280
<v Speaker 8>you might have a movie that might be brilliant that

1002
00:56:47.440 --> 00:56:50.840
<v Speaker 8>just doesn't resonate with people, and that tells us that

1003
00:56:50.840 --> 00:56:54.440
<v Speaker 8>that age doesn't need that vampire. And then there are

1004
00:56:54.480 --> 00:56:56.599
<v Speaker 8>other things that are just so well done that just

1005
00:56:56.920 --> 00:57:01.960
<v Speaker 8>hit those aspects of the frustrations of our human mortal

1006
00:57:02.079 --> 00:57:07.360
<v Speaker 8>existence that will make vampire literature undying nothing. Definitely, we

1007
00:57:07.400 --> 00:57:10.559
<v Speaker 8>will still, we will still be making vampire movies and

1008
00:57:10.599 --> 00:57:14.239
<v Speaker 8>writing vampire literature far far far into the future.

1009
00:57:14.840 --> 00:57:18.559
<v Speaker 7>I think that is so so amazing to have the

1010
00:57:18.639 --> 00:57:22.119
<v Speaker 7>kind of context that I never realized how much I needed.

1011
00:57:22.159 --> 00:57:26.519
<v Speaker 7>That I can see why hundreds of people turn up

1012
00:57:26.559 --> 00:57:27.719
<v Speaker 7>for your course every year.

1013
00:57:28.159 --> 00:57:29.760
<v Speaker 4>This has been such a joy.

1014
00:57:29.800 --> 00:57:32.840
<v Speaker 7>Thank you so much for letting me drain all of

1015
00:57:32.880 --> 00:57:34.719
<v Speaker 7>the information out of your veins.

1016
00:57:34.960 --> 00:57:38.360
<v Speaker 8>Always always happy to be a willing victim, willing donor.

1017
00:57:39.679 --> 00:57:41.400
<v Speaker 8>I would I would be that person I would be.

1018
00:57:41.480 --> 00:57:44.519
<v Speaker 8>I would be the person who's whose friend is a vampire,

1019
00:57:44.559 --> 00:57:48.960
<v Speaker 8>and I would controlled quantities give them my blood. That's

1020
00:57:48.960 --> 00:57:52.079
<v Speaker 8>why I donate blood every fifty six days less lest

1021
00:57:52.119 --> 00:57:55.440
<v Speaker 8>my students think that I'm a vampire. Every fall, I'll

1022
00:57:55.519 --> 00:57:58.199
<v Speaker 8>roll up my sleeve and let them see my my

1023
00:57:58.320 --> 00:57:59.159
<v Speaker 8>mark that I've.

1024
00:57:58.960 --> 00:58:02.360
<v Speaker 9>Been, indeed been giving blood and not taking it.

1025
00:58:03.360 --> 00:58:05.280
<v Speaker 4>Well, it's the good reminder for everyone to go out

1026
00:58:05.320 --> 00:58:05.719
<v Speaker 4>and give.

1027
00:58:05.599 --> 00:58:08.199
<v Speaker 9>Blood absolutely every fifty six days.

1028
00:58:09.679 --> 00:58:15.719
<v Speaker 4>So ask smart people sanguine questions, because unlike vampires, you live,

1029
00:58:15.840 --> 00:58:19.440
<v Speaker 4>but once, and doctor Jeff Holdman is so amazing. If

1030
00:58:19.519 --> 00:58:23.239
<v Speaker 4>you see him on campus at Indiana University, Bloomington, tell him.

1031
00:58:23.280 --> 00:58:25.840
<v Speaker 4>Dad Woord says, hi, give him a fist bump or

1032
00:58:25.840 --> 00:58:28.559
<v Speaker 4>a high five, and take his class. The Vampire in

1033
00:58:28.599 --> 00:58:31.280
<v Speaker 4>European and American culture. There are a ton of links

1034
00:58:31.320 --> 00:58:34.159
<v Speaker 4>to the studies and books we mentioned, and more up

1035
00:58:34.199 --> 00:58:37.679
<v Speaker 4>at alleyward dot com slash ologies slash Vamproology, which is

1036
00:58:37.800 --> 00:58:39.559
<v Speaker 4>linked in the show notes so you don't have to

1037
00:58:39.719 --> 00:58:42.239
<v Speaker 4>write it on your arm as you drive. Please, And

1038
00:58:42.320 --> 00:58:45.519
<v Speaker 4>if you're looking for classroom friendly ologies episodes, we have

1039
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<v Speaker 4>smologies which are shorter, condensed versions of classic episodes and

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<v Speaker 4>and lead editor is the hot blooded treat Chared Sleeper,

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<v Speaker 4>who also has to be married to me for eternity,

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<v Speaker 4>which pleases me. Oh, and happy happy birthday to the

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<v Speaker 4>perfect and amazing Simon Yetch, who is not only an

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<v Speaker 4>inventor and an artist, but one of the best pals

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<v Speaker 4>a person can have. And if you stick around to

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<v Speaker 4>the end of the episode, I tell you a secret,

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<v Speaker 4>and this time I'm going to tell someone else's secret

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<v Speaker 4>because I love it and it's not really a secret.

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<v Speaker 4>But as you may know, I've become really good friends

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<v Speaker 4>with panatologist Cole and Perry and her husband Victor, who've

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<v Speaker 4>moved to la this year, and we were having cocktails

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<v Speaker 4>on their patio last week. Victor makes excellent cocktails. We

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<v Speaker 4>were there with someone and in my pants pocket I

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<v Speaker 4>found a little cardboard paper tube from a roll of

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<v Speaker 4>dog Pooh bags that had run out that day, and

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<v Speaker 4>Victor thought it was a cigar, but and I was

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<v Speaker 4>like struggling to find a word to explain what it was.

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<v Speaker 4>And Victor said, oh, his family calls any cardboard tube

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<v Speaker 4>at the end of a roll of something a dirter,

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<v Speaker 4>And I was like, what, what word is that? And

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<v Speaker 4>they call them a dirter because when you put them

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<v Speaker 4>to your mouth, you can go.

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<v Speaker 5>Like a wrapping.

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<v Speaker 12>Paper roll, or a toilet paper roll, or a paper

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<v Speaker 12>tel roll. All those tubes are called dirters. And this

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<v Speaker 12>just delighted me.

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<v Speaker 13>And Cole, who had been in the house grabbing eyes,

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<v Speaker 13>came out and I asked, and I asked, I asked her, Cole,

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<v Speaker 13>what is this in my hand? And she went, oh,

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<v Speaker 13>and now they're dirterers, and I love them, and I

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<v Speaker 13>love them for telling me that.

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<v Speaker 5>Okay, bye bye, a good boy.

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