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Fight Weekend. Now here is your host, DJ Leaves.

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Speaker 2: Well, Welcome back in everybody, as we are in the

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month of February, and thanks for going to begin to

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ramp up. We're in like the process of ramping up.

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After the David Benavidez David Morell pay per view from

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last weekend where Big Dan was on hand for the

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Benavitaz win, we're back in on the Big Fight Weekend preview.

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I am merely the somewhat capable host TJ Reeves. He

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is our insider. Fight Freaks Unite is his substack and

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his newsletter. Hello Dan, Raphael, good to be back. We've

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got a British heavyweight main event. You want me to

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chant it? Warchesaura is back in action. We're ready to

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talk about that, some fight news, some nostalgia. Oh and

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Keishan Davis is here in just a few minutes as

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he readies to go for a world championship in the

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lightweight division in a top rank main event coming up.

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All right, listen, I normally say to you how are you?

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I know how you are, and you've put it on

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social media. I know you've had a heavy heart with

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the death of your father, with things that are going through.

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Just know that we're out there for you. I'm here

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for you. We're out there for you. I know this

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is therapeutic to be doing the boxing and to be

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talking all this. So I know how you are, and

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I'm glad that you're here, and I'm ready to talk

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some boxing and give you a welcome distraction in the

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world that you have traversed in for the last twenty

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Speaker 1: And we're gonna have fun doing that. Deal, good deal.

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Speaker 3: I'm always up to talk about boxing, no matter what

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Speaker 2: I understand, I understand. All right again, rate us review

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us those help out. Make sure you're following subscribing. We

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do our best preview going into the weekend recamp. Coming

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off the weekend. We've got a lot going on with

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fight cards here in February.

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Speaker 1: And in March.

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Speaker 2: As things get going, Oh, we're gonna get to Canelo

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Speaker 1: Just stand by.

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Speaker 2: But first, but first, let's talk about WARCESAA in the

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Queensbury main event with Otto Viileen Valen, known more as

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an opponent of prominent fighters like Tyson Fury and most

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recently beaten up by Anthony Joshua. He's credible, I'll put

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it that way. Chessa is aged. He's been in there

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a bunch with Joshua, with Fury, with others, Joseph Parker recently.

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He is definitely You like my vocabulary every now and then, Gregarious,

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he has definitely outspoken Worcesaur.

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Speaker 3: He didn't he didn't fight George Joshua. That's like the

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one guy he never thought.

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Speaker 2: I thought he did fight Anthony Joshua on that. I'm

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thinking of Dillian White then in the whole landscape.

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Speaker 3: What you're like one of those guys like British heavyweight, Yeah,

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same thing.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, but he fought uh Fury most recently for the

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third time.

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Speaker 3: It was the age other than Joshua. Other than Joshua,

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Derek Taso has fought everybody, Tyson Fury, Cabradpool v. Joseph Parker,

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Parker recently, right right, Alexander, I mean he fought Vitally

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at g Cabiel Dillion White, as you mentioned, I mean,

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the guy's resumes everybody Joshua men faced is remarkable, but he.

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Speaker 2: Was basically an everlast punching bag against Fury. He still

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fights on here he is in the main event. What

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are your thoughts in the preview modth Listen.

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Speaker 3: He's forty one years old. He's always given his heart

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and his and his balls to every fight he's had,

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and he's that's why he's a fan favorite. They're calling

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this the last dance. Obviously, his career's coming to a close.

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He's thirty five and thirteen, probably like the best thirty

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five and thirteen guy in in boxing today. Okay, and listen,

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Remarkably with thirteen losses, especially in the heavyweight division, only

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been stopped the four times, I mean, which when you

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think about the types of opponents that he has faced,

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that is pretty remarkable to have gone. Oh me, he

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able to stand up to you know, some pretty heavy shots,

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you know, despite four knockouts. But again, in the total

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of thirteen losses, when you look at the guys he's fought,

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it's really not that bad. He even went to distance

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with Itali Klitchko, was one of the best punchers in

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recent heavyweight boxing history. So but listen, everybody, knows the

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time is coming to an end. A lot of people

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wrote him off, you know, a few years ago, and

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actually won two fights in a row. He beat Gerald Washington,

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who was like a journeyman American who fought for the

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world title against Deontay Wilder. Great athlete, really came into

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boxing as a former college football player and you know,

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fringe NFL practice type squad NFL player. And then he

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had the big upset in July where he beat you

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know in what we all figured and had on our post,

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you know, twenty twenty four Fight of the Year list,

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which was against Joe Joyce. Just an absolutely tremendous battle.

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British big man slober knocker, and they turned in a

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great battle and he got to win. And now they're

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kind of counting down, you know, whether this is actually

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gonna be his last fight or not. Who that knows,

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it's bob, but it's certainly he's close to the end

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credible opponent. There's no doubt about it. I mean, listen,

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let's not make this out we're talking about We would

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attention because it's the main fight of this week, right

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and it's gonna be, I believe, a fun fight if

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you like heavyweight boxing. These are two known commodities. It

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doesn't have the impact on a pound for pound list

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or anything like that, but it could have the impact

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on a good distraction for a little while on a Saturday,

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you know, evening if you're in the United States, or

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United Kingdom, in primetime in the United States, light afternoon

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here in the United States. So I'm looking I'm actually

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looking forward to this fight because you know, there's not

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a lot of like fancy storylines or anything. It's just

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two big dudes and two good guys who are gonna

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get in there and probably try to beat the shit

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Speaker 1: And again, Joshua hummeled Volin.

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Speaker 2: You wonder though, if Chasura, at forty one and as

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much damage as he's taken can take advantage of that.

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he loves to the phrase I've always heard and you

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get it in boxing his play Possum, he loves to

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act like, maybe I'm exhausted, maybe I'm hurt. I lay

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back on the ropes. You're tagging me a few times,

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Of the crowd roars and they start chanting watch Sara

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through the arena. So we anticipate we'll get some of

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Speaker 3: Yeah, I mean, look, Io's got two losses. Obviously he's

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fought the best guys. In those two losses. He lost

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the decision to Tyson Fury, where he scored you know,

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some good shots on him and gave him that terrible,

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terrible cut over his eye. I was at that fight.

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stopped at any moment because the cut was that bad.

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fight was over, and it was actually two different cuts

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in my recollection. At an event that was like his

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first time on the world stage, and even though he

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lost on points, he gave a really good account of

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himself and helped him get other fights. He won on

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a long winning streak and he beat some like second

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in twenty twenty three. That was over in Turkey where

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he defeated Marat Gassiev, who was the former unified cruiserweight

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title Olderho had moved up to heavyweight. I actually think

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that Otto was the underdog in that fight. He won

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that fight that got him the fight with Joshua, and

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the end of twenty twenty three. Joshua eviscerated him, knocked

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him on the fifth round, beat him up, and they

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stopped it in the quarter. He has won one fights

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incentive against you know, a very lower level opponents. Scored

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a first round knockout. That was the only fight of

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twenty twenty four. So he's had one round since December

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of twenty three and a knockout loss against Joshua. Now

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was coming back against Shasa who is you know as

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they call him, and Brett a hard man, you know,

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good chin, you know, still seems to have even at

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forty one years of age, a fighting spirit, you know,

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coming to dupe damage and I think wants to make

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a splash and is maybe his last fight, certainly in

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his last group of fights. He's coming off of a

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very uplifting victory against Joe Joyce, you know, and like

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otto went the distance with Tyson Furry. You know it

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is Listen, this is nothing fancy about this fight. TJ

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Speaker 2: Not a lot of mystery here again, do Zone. We'll

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Speaker 1: In the UK, it's on t N T Sport.

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Speaker 3: What what fucking more on would put this fight on exactly?

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Speaker 3: With what we're about to have is a normal normal zone.

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Speaker 2: So again, that full card is Saturday night Primetime in

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Speaker 3: Well, it's my great pleasure to be joined on the

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podcast once again by Keishawn Davis. You are going to

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be challenging for a lightweight world title coming up. First

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of all, thank you very much for being on the show.

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I must be good luck because you scored a quick

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knockout the last time we talked before your last fight.

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Speaker 4: Hey, let's beeve it all right?

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Speaker 3: Well, just so we'll tell the people. You are getting

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ready to challenge Denny's Burnciks for the WBO Lightweight world title.

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It'll take place on February fourteenth. It is the main

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event of the Top Rank ESPN card that will take

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was some drama and it was certainly an interesting situation

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the whole thing. So that was on November eighth, you

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were headlining your first professional fight in your hometown of Norfolk, Virginia.

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against Gustavo Lemos. Before the fight, when we had done

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the interview for the podcast, you talked about it being

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your dream that you and your brothers had talked about

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to fight at home and to make a big event

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about it. And now that you had that happen, I wondered,

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did the did the did the reality live up to

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the dream that you and your brother has talked about

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for so many years.

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Speaker 4: Honestly, no, it's surpassed it.

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Speaker 3: Really.

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Speaker 4: Hell yeah, Like we.

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Speaker 5: Always kept saying, it's gonna be big, it's gonna be big,

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it's gonna sell out. But what happened that weekend was huge,

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Speaker 4: You know, we get.

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Speaker 5: Bookings now, people paying us to do walk dudes and

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all that type of shit.

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Speaker 4: Man, we meet them. So we made a lot of

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the money outside and ring else. I'll tell you that now,

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you know what I'm saying.

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Speaker 5: So it definitely surpassed our expectations.

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Speaker 4: And you know, I'll glory to guy man.

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Speaker 3: Yeah, because it was like you said, it was a

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tremendous event. There was a huge crowd there. So that

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makes me curious about your response to this. When you

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were getting ready for the fight, obviously you know you're pro.

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You weighed in, you made your weight. It was one

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hundred and thirty five pound fight and Limos he comes

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in on the day before, he's one hundred and forty

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one and a half pounds. He's six and a half

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pounds over. He didn't miss by half a pound like

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we've seen or a pound. That's a dramatic amount of

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way these technically now two weight classes above as a welterweight.

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Because he's over one forty that puts everybody, you, your team,

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top ranked television, everybody in a tough spot. But it

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was your night. You're the star of the show. How

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close was it to even that you might not fight?

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Like what was going through your mind when he was

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so heavy?

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Speaker 2: Yeah, I was.

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Speaker 5: Thinking that he probably might not fight because we was

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hoping that he didn't come the next day too much

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over weight. And that's what me and my team was

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was spermore that we agreed to await for the next

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day that he can't go over this. And I was like, Okay,

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even if he a pound over that, I'm gonna steal.

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I'm gonna still fight, you know. So I was trying

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to do everything I can to make the fight happen.

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Speaker 4: Like we was like, I forgot what.

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Speaker 5: Weight it was the next day, but it was like,

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he can't go one over one forty six, And I

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was like, man, even if he like one forty seven,

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I'm gonna still fight him at the end of the day.

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Speaker 4: Like what's one pound gonna do? You know what I'm saying.

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Speaker 5: So I was really doing everything in my power to

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make a fight happen still, but we just couldn't. We

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just couldn't give him too much leaning and see you

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know what I mean.

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Speaker 3: Was there any concern when you saw him way I

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mean that much overweight. I've seen fights cancel for way

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less weight than that.

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Speaker 4: Yeah. Nah.

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Speaker 5: Also, real shit, this is exactly what happened before the weighns. Yep,

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before the weigh nds, we had the trial. Scill we

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was all backstage and I stepped on the scale and

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I was good, yeah.

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Speaker 4: So then I turned around whim was right there.

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Speaker 5: I'm like, oh shit, well bet I'm not to see

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how much seeweight. So he stepped in that scared I

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see my cheaweight. I was like, this is exactly what

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happens the true story. I said, oh shit, let's.

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Speaker 4: Go twenty percent. Let's do it twenty percent. I don't

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give it down percent. Da da da da da.

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Speaker 5: But they but politically they was like man Keishawan on

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the commission side, like he's so much overweight, we gotta

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do this, we gotta do that fight, like all that

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type of shit. So it was just more than just

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a twenty percent that I was just preaching about. But

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once I see that he was that much overweight, it

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was like, oh my god.

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Speaker 4: I was just like twenty percent let's do it. I

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don't give it.

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Speaker 3: Like when you say twenty percent, you're talking about some

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extra money that would be coming your way.

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Speaker 4: Yeah.

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Speaker 3: Yeah, because I was saying sometimes commissions if it's the

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spreads to why they don't allow. But anyway, all right,

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the fight ended up happening. Uh fortunately for everybody. It

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turned out to be a great night. But you went

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out there and just destroyed him in two rounds. A

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lot of people were like, well, he may be too

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big this and that wasn't as easy as it looked

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because you just went through him like a knife through

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hot butter. Seemed like to me, yeah, I was.

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Speaker 5: It was easy as it looked, honestly, like the first round,

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like I didn't do nothing with him but jab him,

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moving around, starting him out, type shit, see what he got.

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Everybody came talking about his power, So I just want

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to see what his power was talking about. You know,

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after that first round, you know you come, You're going

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to come to your heart as your first round because

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that's what you got, your most energy. So I'm like, okay,

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well that's all he got. Well I'm gonna start letting.

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Speaker 4: My shit go.

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Speaker 5: My first parts that I really been with and knocked

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him down. So it was like, well, okay, like it's

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time to get him up.

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Speaker 3: Out of here, and you sure did that. And so

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now that leads you to this particular fight, which obviously

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is for a world championship against Branchick. Now, before this

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fight was official, back again, this was the interview that

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we did prior to you taking on Limos, uh, I

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mean yeah, against just as you were talking to me

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about how you were hoping that a win would lead

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you to this fight with Branchick, that you and he

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had had some exchanges on you know, your social media

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direct messages that you thought this would be the next fight.

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But I wonder if you could talk to me about

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how how how did you actually find out that you

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officially had this chance to fight for the world title,

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and what was your reaction when you found out that

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it was real and it was happening.

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Speaker 5: It was real, I can say, like fight wee go, Gustavo.

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They just kept saying, you know what's next? Right, I'm like, uh,

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now it's next. He was like, you get the job

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done right here, you're going for the ranching.

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Speaker 3: Who was telling you this top right?

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Speaker 5: Okay, tod ran for sure was telling me that things

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like you gotta get the job done first though, and

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when they kept saying that, it was kind of making

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me nervous and shit like dumb, I'm gonna get a

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job then why do you gotta keep telling me that

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you know what I'm saying? But other than that, like

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I knew like fight week of Gustavo and shoot, now

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we're here now.

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Speaker 3: I'm sure like you dreamed about fighting at home, any

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young fighter is gonna dream about fighting for a world title.

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So can you just sort of give me now that

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it's you know, we're a little way away from the fight,

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but you know it's coming quickly and you're gonna be

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in there fighting for this championship, Just to give me

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your thoughts about your your level of anticipation, anxiety, excitement, nervousness,

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whatever it is, just your emotions about, uh, what will

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be the most significant fight of your career by far

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and something that when your career is over with will

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be something that will be a landmark, benchmark kind of

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fight in your career.

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Speaker 4: Right with my first one? Right?

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Speaker 5: Excuse me, honestly, bro, if you want my eyes opinion,

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I don't have no as of right now. I don't

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have no nervousness, no anticipation, no anxiety, nothing and that

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like I'm just in training camp, training for another fight, honestly,

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and I'm not really the type person that get into

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all the enthusiastics. I understand what I'm saying, like, oh,

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I'm at the I'm at the m MG, or oh

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it's for my first word title. I'm just taking it

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like this is another goddamn fight for me, because I know,

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at the end of the day, I gotta I got

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a ten year ten more years ahead of me. I'm

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twenty five. I can retire when I'm thirty five, you

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know what I'm saying. So it's gonna be bigger fights

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than this. So starting now, I just gotta make sure

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I stay level with here, to stay calm, because it's

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just gonna do nothing but get bigger and bigger after this.

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Speaker 3: Well, you mentioned about it. You know your age and

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potentially retiring at thirty five. He's already thirty six. He's

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eleven years older than you, and I mean in boxing,

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that would seem to be most people a very significant advantage.

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Even though he's preserved. He's only got nineteen fights professionally,

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You've only got twelve fights. There's not that big of

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a difference. He had a long amateur gurd twenty twelve

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Olympics silver medal winner, yourself, twenty twenty Olympic silver medal winner,

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what sort of like your scating report on him, because

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he's had a career that was sort of like under

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the radar before he even won this title.

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Speaker 4: Oh, my scattering report.

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Speaker 5: Honestly, I know that he got a lot of experience,

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Like at the end of the day, he'd been through

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the same trials and tribulations and the amateurs that I've

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been through. And now that he pro and he became

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a world champion, like he.

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Speaker 4: Did it all. You know what I'm saying.

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Speaker 5: Don't say he was the Olympics down here a world champion.

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He better defended like he actually did great for himself

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as a as a fighter.

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Speaker 4: At the end of the day.

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Speaker 5: You know what I'm saying, He's undefeated, he never lost,

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Like all credits are Bransha bro, Like shit.

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Speaker 4: You did it. You made it, my nigga. You know

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what I'm saying.

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Speaker 5: Unfortunately that you gotta fight somebody like me just gonna

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take it from you as soon as you get it.

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Speaker 4: But like scouting report.

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Speaker 5: As a guy like him, you can't take him lightly, bro,

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because he has seen it all and he done it all,

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and he's a veteran at this shit. You know what

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I'm saying. So I like for my first world tire

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of fight. Stylistically, man, this is he can't really get

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no better than this. Honestly, he's an undefeated fighter, he's

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an olympion, and he's a champion. You know what I'm saying,

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And everything that he did I'm trying to do right now,

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you know what I'm saying. And stylistically, I feel like, shit,

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this performance definitely can outmatch this last one.

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Speaker 3: You just mentioned. He's undefeated. I was actually looking over

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your record before we got on to do this interview,

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and this will in fact be the first fighter that

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you faced it is undefeated. Does that Does that add

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a little more spice to it to take a guy's

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undefeated record who doesn't know how to lose?

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Speaker 4: Yeah, honestly it does. I'm not gonna lie, and honestly

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does man.

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Speaker 5: Don't nobody want to lose a oh at the end

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of the day on top of their belt. So I

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know he not going in there and just gonna let down,

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Like I know, he's not going in there just for

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a check, like real shit, He's really gonna give it

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his all and if he loses, he loses.

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Speaker 4: If he wins, he wins, which he is not. But

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he's definitely not going in to lay down.

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Speaker 5: He's gonna give it his all, and I think he's

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check be gonna make it a great fight, honestly.

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Speaker 3: So when you uh, when you look at his record,

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his biggest win, of course, was when he won this title,

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which he did. It was a tough fight, a split

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decision against Emmanuel never At. The This was back last May.

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Sol have been off about nine months. Never At it

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was the champion at one hundred and thirty was moving

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up the challenge for this vacant title. What were your

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thoughts if you saw that fight about the performance that

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he turned in to win the title.

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Speaker 5: I didn't watch the fight live, but when I heard

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that he won, I was definitely surprised, because, I mean,

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I just didn't think Navarate was gonna lose, just just

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off the strip.

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Speaker 4: I just didn't think he was gonna lose.

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Speaker 5: But the two fights Navarati had at one thirty five,

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he didn't look good. You know what I'm saying, like,

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that's just not the nicest weight class. You know, He's

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a true one thirty pounder, and he looks best at

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one thirty. You know, So at the end of the day,

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Baranchik beat a one thirty pounder at the end of

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the day. And you know, I went back and watched

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his fight with Yigit and stuff like that.

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Speaker 4: And you know when I fought Yigit.

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Speaker 5: Like from round one to round nine, when I stopped him, Bro,

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it was just straight completely domination, you know.

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Speaker 4: Between him and Yiggy. It was round it was going

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back and forth, like back and forth. Like the fight

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was fairly close.

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Speaker 5: Even though he won to fight, he probably wanted to

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fight probably like two three rounds, you know, like I

473
00:20:23,880 --> 00:20:27,000
stopped ygg you know what I'm saying, So just stylistically

474
00:20:27,119 --> 00:20:32,960
and like physicality. Stylistically, he never seen a style like

475
00:20:33,000 --> 00:20:36,000
me before, and physicality, Bro, I don't think he even

476
00:20:36,039 --> 00:20:37,559
fought somebody as strong as me before.

477
00:20:37,680 --> 00:20:38,160
Speaker 4: Neither bro.

478
00:20:38,559 --> 00:20:42,720
Speaker 5: Honestly, in terms of him me seeing him, you know,

479
00:20:42,799 --> 00:20:45,680
I've I've been overseas before, so you know, I fought

480
00:20:45,720 --> 00:20:46,319
people that like to.

481
00:20:46,359 --> 00:20:47,759
Speaker 4: Dance in priants around shit.

482
00:20:47,839 --> 00:20:50,319
Speaker 5: Any cruise was dancing and printsing around when I was

483
00:20:50,359 --> 00:20:52,920
fighting him and stuff like that, and similar to what

484
00:20:53,000 --> 00:20:55,000
Baranchick is gonna do. You know, but he's thirty six

485
00:20:55,160 --> 00:20:58,039
years old, so he's not gonna He's not gonna be

486
00:20:58,119 --> 00:20:58,640
as you.

487
00:20:58,519 --> 00:21:02,640
Speaker 3: Know fresh, I wouldn't think either.

488
00:21:03,240 --> 00:21:05,200
Speaker 5: Yeah, you know what I'm saying. So I know he's

489
00:21:05,200 --> 00:21:06,680
gonna give it this all at the end of the day.

490
00:21:06,680 --> 00:21:10,519
But his best is I don't think I know this

491
00:21:10,680 --> 00:21:12,079
not can't compete with me.

492
00:21:12,680 --> 00:21:14,640
Speaker 3: Now, you mentioned earlier we talked about you like living

493
00:21:14,640 --> 00:21:16,920
the dream having your first fight at home, you know,

494
00:21:17,160 --> 00:21:18,599
the thing that you and your brothers have talked about.

495
00:21:18,640 --> 00:21:20,559
But now for this fight, fighting for your first world title,

496
00:21:20,960 --> 00:21:22,920
it's taking place at Madison Square Guarden. I know you

497
00:21:23,000 --> 00:21:24,880
mentioned that a quick minute ago. That's like one of

498
00:21:24,920 --> 00:21:27,480
the most hollow venues in boxing history. The theater at

499
00:21:27,519 --> 00:21:30,720
the Madison Square Garden has hosted numerous you know, superstar

500
00:21:30,839 --> 00:21:33,240
fighters and you know, big world championship fights and just

501
00:21:33,279 --> 00:21:35,960
great fights for years. It's a very traditional place for

502
00:21:36,119 --> 00:21:38,480
these types of fights. That and it's you're a headliner

503
00:21:38,480 --> 00:21:40,359
in New York City. Uh, you know, what are your

504
00:21:40,359 --> 00:21:42,400
thoughts about that? Because you know, not everybody gets to

505
00:21:42,759 --> 00:21:45,559
headline a boxing event in the Big Apple.

506
00:21:46,440 --> 00:21:47,440
Speaker 4: That is crazy, bro.

507
00:21:47,599 --> 00:21:50,000
Speaker 5: Like my cousins, I got people, I got a lot

508
00:21:50,000 --> 00:21:51,480
of family out there in New York. And one of

509
00:21:51,519 --> 00:21:54,119
my cousins went to the Knicks game and she was

510
00:21:54,160 --> 00:21:55,680
just happened to be in the city and she's seen

511
00:21:55,720 --> 00:21:58,799
my billboard out there, and that's my blood cousin.

512
00:21:58,880 --> 00:22:00,640
Speaker 4: Like we're a close family, you know what I'm saying.

513
00:22:00,680 --> 00:22:03,119
Speaker 5: So she's like, oh my gosh, little cuz, Like this

514
00:22:03,160 --> 00:22:05,079
is a little cuz, Like you know what I'm saying,

515
00:22:05,160 --> 00:22:07,839
Like I was eight nine years old, cities old, stayed

516
00:22:07,839 --> 00:22:09,920
at her house and stuff like that. She see me now,

517
00:22:09,920 --> 00:22:11,880
she's seen me on the freaking big screen and MSG.

518
00:22:11,960 --> 00:22:15,480
So like it's definitely big man. It's definitely huge for me.

519
00:22:16,319 --> 00:22:18,240
But again, I'm not a person that just get into

520
00:22:18,279 --> 00:22:19,079
all the extra shit.

521
00:22:19,160 --> 00:22:19,319
Speaker 3: Bro.

522
00:22:19,680 --> 00:22:21,240
Speaker 4: This is just another fight for me, and I'm gonna

523
00:22:21,240 --> 00:22:21,960
go out there and do my thing.

524
00:22:22,039 --> 00:22:23,680
Speaker 3: You can think about it afterwards. I guess I'm kind

525
00:22:23,720 --> 00:22:26,759
of relish and what you did, I suppose. But if

526
00:22:26,759 --> 00:22:28,480
you win the title, which you know a lot of

527
00:22:28,480 --> 00:22:30,039
people are gonna favor you to be the guy that

528
00:22:30,079 --> 00:22:32,079
goes in there and gets the job done. I wonder

529
00:22:32,119 --> 00:22:34,000
what kind of other goals you said. You're only twenty

530
00:22:34,039 --> 00:22:36,160
five year young fighter. It'll be your first world title.

531
00:22:36,559 --> 00:22:38,480
What other goals would you have? Is it a long

532
00:22:38,559 --> 00:22:41,200
run at lightweight? Is it some guys they win the title,

533
00:22:41,200 --> 00:22:43,160
maybe defend it once or twice and make the quick

534
00:22:43,200 --> 00:22:45,079
move up to another division, trying to go up to

535
00:22:45,119 --> 00:22:47,200
scale as much as they can. What is in your

536
00:22:47,240 --> 00:22:49,039
mind as far as the way you want to map things.

537
00:22:48,839 --> 00:22:52,200
Speaker 4: Out, I'm goncha stick to the same thing I've been saying.

538
00:22:52,200 --> 00:22:53,880
Speaker 5: Man, once I get this world title, I'm gonna just

539
00:22:53,880 --> 00:22:56,680
try to get all the top the top names in

540
00:22:56,680 --> 00:22:58,319
the ring with me. You know, at the end of

541
00:22:58,319 --> 00:22:59,960
the day, who don't want to become a world champion?

542
00:23:00,440 --> 00:23:00,640
Speaker 4: You know?

543
00:23:00,720 --> 00:23:02,559
Speaker 5: So when I get my world titler, you know, I'm

544
00:23:02,599 --> 00:23:04,039
gonna just be throwing a belt in people.

545
00:23:03,920 --> 00:23:05,400
Speaker 4: Face, like, yo, you want to fight me? You want

546
00:23:05,400 --> 00:23:05,799
to fight me?

547
00:23:05,920 --> 00:23:08,960
Speaker 5: Like all the top names though not know people that

548
00:23:09,039 --> 00:23:11,200
do you might know? A belt that's my goal, you

549
00:23:11,200 --> 00:23:13,279
know what I'm saying. Of course, you can't make nobody

550
00:23:13,319 --> 00:23:15,359
fight you, you know what I'm saying. But that's what

551
00:23:15,400 --> 00:23:17,680
I want to do. Equal my first defense and in

552
00:23:17,720 --> 00:23:20,519
the rest of my career, I want to fight those names.

553
00:23:20,559 --> 00:23:21,960
I'm gonna fight those real names.

554
00:23:22,079 --> 00:23:24,200
Speaker 3: Well, it seems to me that you know again, I

555
00:23:24,240 --> 00:23:25,839
know you got to fight the fight to win the title,

556
00:23:25,839 --> 00:23:28,200
but in terms of the future fights with you know,

557
00:23:28,200 --> 00:23:31,119
everybody wants to unify in this weight class, it seems

558
00:23:31,119 --> 00:23:34,000
like the unifications might be difficult. Shakor is your buddy.

559
00:23:34,000 --> 00:23:35,720
He's got a title, he's off doing this thing in

560
00:23:35,720 --> 00:23:38,920
Saudi Arabia. He's got activity scheduled fight coming up. Maybe

561
00:23:38,960 --> 00:23:42,559
he's a paida mandatory. You've got Tank Davis who has

562
00:23:42,599 --> 00:23:45,720
not shown a real willingness to fight the absolute best

563
00:23:46,000 --> 00:23:48,759
of his own weight class. Loma Chenko is you know,

564
00:23:48,839 --> 00:23:50,559
we don't know if he's going to retire. He's with

565
00:23:50,640 --> 00:23:54,519
top right Dangel Like you're saying that, listen, I just

566
00:23:54,599 --> 00:23:56,079
keep it real, Kejan, that's the way it is.

567
00:23:56,920 --> 00:23:57,359
Speaker 4: You both.

568
00:23:58,000 --> 00:24:00,559
Speaker 3: But anyway, with loma Chenko his up in there, he's

569
00:24:00,559 --> 00:24:02,400
got the back injury. Nobody knows if he's gonna come

570
00:24:02,440 --> 00:24:05,079
back again. So what do you think of like your

571
00:24:05,200 --> 00:24:08,319
big fight, so to speak, beyond winning the world title.

572
00:24:09,279 --> 00:24:11,400
Speaker 5: Yeah, after I win the world title, man, it's a

573
00:24:11,400 --> 00:24:13,440
lot of fights out there like at one forty one

574
00:24:13,559 --> 00:24:15,119
thirty five that.

575
00:24:14,640 --> 00:24:15,440
Speaker 4: That got names.

576
00:24:15,599 --> 00:24:18,599
Speaker 5: You know what I'm saying, Like, of course, I'm becoming

577
00:24:18,640 --> 00:24:20,759
my own star myself, so I can't really be like

578
00:24:20,920 --> 00:24:23,039
I'm gonna gets my inn that max to star power

579
00:24:23,119 --> 00:24:24,519
is me or maybe.

580
00:24:24,359 --> 00:24:26,400
Speaker 4: Even come close. But it's gonna be people.

581
00:24:26,119 --> 00:24:29,240
Speaker 5: That that you're well aware of, and that's gonna be

582
00:24:29,279 --> 00:24:31,240
able to create great fights, Like y'all gotta you gotta

583
00:24:31,279 --> 00:24:34,240
remember that I'm the one that picked Gustavo for this

584
00:24:34,359 --> 00:24:37,599
last fight. Like I'm a fighter, I know this, I

585
00:24:37,640 --> 00:24:40,359
know the landscape, I understand what I'm saying. I know

586
00:24:41,119 --> 00:24:44,279
how to create a great fight. You know what I'm saying,

587
00:24:44,319 --> 00:24:47,039
Like I just know you know what I'm saying. So

588
00:24:47,079 --> 00:24:49,680
I can't really tell you like the exact person I

589
00:24:49,720 --> 00:24:52,200
want to go after this fight, because that's not gonna

590
00:24:52,240 --> 00:24:54,839
be It's not gonna be true, you know what I'm saying.

591
00:24:54,839 --> 00:24:57,640
But just know that when I get this power, the

592
00:24:57,720 --> 00:25:00,640
power of the belt into my hands, Kes the businessman

593
00:25:00,720 --> 00:25:01,319
is gonna be creep.

594
00:25:01,319 --> 00:25:03,319
Speaker 4: He's gonna be putting on on great fights.

595
00:25:03,359 --> 00:25:05,960
Speaker 5: And I also feel like this fight right here stylistically is.

596
00:25:05,880 --> 00:25:06,400
Speaker 4: A great fight.

597
00:25:06,480 --> 00:25:08,000
Speaker 3: Yeah, No, I agree, I agree.

598
00:25:07,880 --> 00:25:11,960
Speaker 5: Twelve No nineteen to oh two Olympians clash like I

599
00:25:11,960 --> 00:25:13,799
mean shit, I feel like it can't really get no

600
00:25:13,839 --> 00:25:15,640
better than it is for a guy that's fight for

601
00:25:15,680 --> 00:25:17,599
his first world title fight at the end of the day,

602
00:25:18,000 --> 00:25:20,440
you know what I'm saying. So I just gave y'all

603
00:25:20,480 --> 00:25:24,240
a great fight with mcgham Dueno the Mexican kid. I

604
00:25:24,240 --> 00:25:26,599
gave y'all a great fight with Gustavo. Now I might

605
00:25:26,640 --> 00:25:28,559
give you a great fight for my first world title fight.

606
00:25:28,640 --> 00:25:30,680
So I feel like I'm just living up to everything

607
00:25:30,680 --> 00:25:31,240
now I'm preaching.

608
00:25:31,640 --> 00:25:32,960
Speaker 3: I don't know if I can say Gustava was a

609
00:25:32,960 --> 00:25:34,319
great fight. I think it was a great one sided

610
00:25:34,319 --> 00:25:39,240
ask kicking is what it was. Let me that's true.

611
00:25:39,640 --> 00:25:42,920
Event I'll wrap up with this. Uh, you know, I

612
00:25:42,960 --> 00:25:45,559
know that. I'm sure you've pictured how the fight's in

613
00:25:45,640 --> 00:25:47,440
it go. I know you have every intention of winning

614
00:25:47,480 --> 00:25:49,440
the fights. I'm not gonna ask you how you you

615
00:25:49,480 --> 00:25:52,440
know think you're gonna win. But if you could pick,

616
00:25:52,519 --> 00:25:55,440
like the best scenario by which to get the victory,

617
00:25:55,799 --> 00:25:58,640
how would how would you want that to turn out?

618
00:25:59,039 --> 00:26:01,960
Just a domination in a quick knockout, beat him down

619
00:26:02,000 --> 00:26:04,240
for a little while like, what's your what's the ideal

620
00:26:04,279 --> 00:26:07,559
scenario to realize your dream of becoming a world champion.

621
00:26:08,039 --> 00:26:10,880
Speaker 4: I want to knock his ass out the first round, all.

622
00:26:10,839 --> 00:26:14,400
Speaker 3: Right, make it a quick night, right, don't get paid overtime.

623
00:26:14,920 --> 00:26:17,640
Speaker 5: Took it easy man, not being a sewer. My hand's

624
00:26:17,720 --> 00:26:19,359
not her anyne of that. She just give me a

625
00:26:19,359 --> 00:26:20,359
first round knockout.

626
00:26:21,039 --> 00:26:23,440
Speaker 3: I guess we'll we'll have to wait and see. Well,

627
00:26:23,480 --> 00:26:26,359
we'll know the answer on February fourteenth. Kishan, thank you

628
00:26:26,400 --> 00:26:27,799
so much for your time. I wish your best of

629
00:26:27,880 --> 00:26:28,799
luck in the fight, my friend.

630
00:26:29,279 --> 00:26:32,599
Speaker 2: All right, thank you Dan, all right, good stuff. As always,

631
00:26:32,680 --> 00:26:34,920
you have been hustling. You went out to Vegas and

632
00:26:34,960 --> 00:26:38,039
got back. You've been hustling getting interviews, accumulating other interviews.

633
00:26:38,039 --> 00:26:38,960
Speaker 1: So we rolled that one out.

634
00:26:39,000 --> 00:26:42,119
Speaker 2: We should say to the audience, as we released this

635
00:26:42,559 --> 00:26:45,480
Thursday night and a Friday. That's a Friday night world

636
00:26:45,559 --> 00:26:49,640
title fight card from Top Rank, and that is coming

637
00:26:49,680 --> 00:26:53,240
next Friday night, the fourteenth of February, right on Valentine's

638
00:26:53,279 --> 00:26:55,920
Day weekend, as he fights Dennis Baranchick. All Right, I

639
00:26:55,960 --> 00:26:59,440
always ask you this, but it's worthwhile. After hearing the interview,

640
00:26:59,559 --> 00:27:02,920
how did you find him in talking to him and

641
00:27:02,920 --> 00:27:04,920
see him, seeing him on the video hook, cup et cetera.

642
00:27:05,720 --> 00:27:08,559
Speaker 3: Keishawan is a pro. He does his media extremely well.

643
00:27:08,599 --> 00:27:11,319
He's really learned. You know, he has a chance to

644
00:27:11,319 --> 00:27:13,599
be a big star for two main reasons. One he

645
00:27:13,599 --> 00:27:18,119
can really fight and two he is now he understands

646
00:27:18,720 --> 00:27:20,640
the whole point of trying to promote your fights. He's

647
00:27:20,680 --> 00:27:23,119
a really good and people heard it on the podcast.

648
00:27:23,119 --> 00:27:25,000
I mean, if they heard the interview that we just played,

649
00:27:25,240 --> 00:27:28,359
he's a very good interview. He speaks his mind. I

650
00:27:28,440 --> 00:27:32,240
feel like he's Look, there's different categories of fighters. I've

651
00:27:32,240 --> 00:27:35,079
been interviewing fighters for a very long time. Some guys

652
00:27:35,240 --> 00:27:38,319
fucking hate it and it's like going to the dentist.

653
00:27:38,960 --> 00:27:40,880
Some guys they do it, you know, it's part of

654
00:27:40,920 --> 00:27:42,680
the job. They tolerate it, they're pleasant, but they don't

655
00:27:42,680 --> 00:27:45,359
really love it. And other guys seem to like enjoy it.

656
00:27:45,400 --> 00:27:47,000
They like, you know, to take that time and have

657
00:27:47,039 --> 00:27:49,079
the attention and you know for those ten or fifteen

658
00:27:49,079 --> 00:27:50,720
minutes or whatever the interview last, that you know they're

659
00:27:50,720 --> 00:27:53,920
they're into it. I believe Keishon Davis actually enjoys talking

660
00:27:53,920 --> 00:27:56,759
to the press. My interactions with him from the beginning

661
00:27:56,759 --> 00:27:59,079
of his professional career. I've met him shortly after he

662
00:27:59,160 --> 00:28:02,799
turned pro in a several fights. A very easy going

663
00:28:02,880 --> 00:28:05,640
kind of guy to interview and as pleasant as a guest.

664
00:28:05,680 --> 00:28:07,480
I would say if I was making my list of like,

665
00:28:07,720 --> 00:28:10,119
who are the current guys in the sport and gals

666
00:28:10,279 --> 00:28:12,920
that you like interviewing, Keishaan Davis would certainly be on

667
00:28:12,960 --> 00:28:15,240
my life. He's a pleasure to interview, and I think

668
00:28:15,240 --> 00:28:17,960
they can hear his enthusiasm in the in the in

669
00:28:18,000 --> 00:28:19,319
the conversation that you just played.

670
00:28:19,920 --> 00:28:23,000
Speaker 2: All right, and again he is ultra talented, former silver

671
00:28:23,039 --> 00:28:26,160
medalist in the Olympics. You know, projected star here got

672
00:28:26,160 --> 00:28:28,960
to take that next step and we'll preview that more

673
00:28:29,079 --> 00:28:31,319
obviously next week, but good to hear from him in

674
00:28:31,359 --> 00:28:34,680
advance of fight week here with the Pods is why

675
00:28:35,640 --> 00:28:37,720
we love being here for the fans and bringing you

676
00:28:37,759 --> 00:28:40,880
the newsmakers as well as our takes and Dan's insight.

677
00:28:41,359 --> 00:28:43,400
All right, are you ready? I've been waiting for this

678
00:28:43,480 --> 00:28:47,079
for like a day and a half. I thought we

679
00:28:47,079 --> 00:28:53,920
were finalized for Canelo and Terrence Crawford. Lies don't mean finalized,

680
00:28:54,119 --> 00:28:56,839
does it? Apparently? Okay?

681
00:28:57,319 --> 00:29:00,240
Speaker 3: So just for the record, Just for the record, Yeah,

682
00:29:00,319 --> 00:29:05,319
I never or spoke said it was being finalized every once.

683
00:29:05,279 --> 00:29:08,400
Speaker 2: You know what I'm referring to. And then we have

684
00:29:08,640 --> 00:29:11,400
the Ring magazine, which is now bought and paid for

685
00:29:11,519 --> 00:29:14,559
by Turkey al Chic, and they are reporting that it's

686
00:29:14,599 --> 00:29:18,759
Allegiant Stadium, the Raiders Football Stadium, and then the next

687
00:29:18,839 --> 00:29:21,319
day they're saying, oh, by the way, they're not fighting.

688
00:29:21,359 --> 00:29:21,559
Speaker 1: Now.

689
00:29:21,680 --> 00:29:24,119
Speaker 2: I don't know what to believe. We come to you,

690
00:29:24,440 --> 00:29:28,079
we come to you, my friend, enlighten me. I know

691
00:29:28,160 --> 00:29:29,960
it's still And the other thing is it's still seven

692
00:29:30,000 --> 00:29:34,640
months away theoretically, like the fall September. So what is

693
00:29:34,680 --> 00:29:37,720
the latest with whether Canelo and Terrence Crawford are fighting

694
00:29:37,839 --> 00:29:39,720
or we'll get back on track to fight.

695
00:29:41,319 --> 00:29:45,680
Speaker 3: The fight was never it was never finalized, or it

696
00:29:45,720 --> 00:29:48,559
was never done, so it can't be off if it

697
00:29:48,599 --> 00:29:51,319
was never on. So that's you know, I know that

698
00:29:51,359 --> 00:29:53,599
maybe some antics, but that's you know, as I like

699
00:29:53,640 --> 00:29:57,000
to say, words matter. So I look at it like this.

700
00:29:57,359 --> 00:30:00,920
The outlets, the Ring, ESPN, they can report it was

701
00:30:01,000 --> 00:30:04,599
quote unquote being finalized. Here's the reality in my world.

702
00:30:04,680 --> 00:30:06,880
And I can't speak for how some other journalists would

703
00:30:07,119 --> 00:30:09,960
report about a particular story that and I've had this

704
00:30:10,039 --> 00:30:14,000
conversation with other sources when speaking about fights, how I'm

705
00:30:14,039 --> 00:30:17,519
going to characterize it when we discuss the information. To me,

706
00:30:18,400 --> 00:30:22,519
a fight that is quote being finalized. That means the

707
00:30:22,640 --> 00:30:26,000
sides are in agreement on the basic terms, the money,

708
00:30:26,480 --> 00:30:30,359
the site, the date, you know, the basic shit that

709
00:30:30,400 --> 00:30:33,000
goes into a fight. Who's coming into the ring first,

710
00:30:33,599 --> 00:30:37,039
who's being introduced first, that kind of basic stuff.

711
00:30:37,519 --> 00:30:40,400
Speaker 1: Catchway, yeah, exactly, those kind things.

712
00:30:40,279 --> 00:30:42,640
Speaker 3: All that kind of stuff. So those are the basic things.

713
00:30:42,680 --> 00:30:44,640
And then there's obviously those are the kind of things

714
00:30:44,640 --> 00:30:46,200
that would go in what would be called a short

715
00:30:46,240 --> 00:30:49,559
form contract a deal memo if you will, that outlines

716
00:30:49,599 --> 00:30:52,240
the most basic things, and then that stuff gets signed

717
00:30:52,240 --> 00:30:54,359
off on, and then you go to the long form

718
00:30:54,400 --> 00:30:57,200
contract where the lawyers go through everything, and it's instead

719
00:30:57,200 --> 00:30:59,319
of you know, one or two pages, it's probably you know,

720
00:30:59,519 --> 00:31:02,200
eight or ten pages or maybe longer depending on the

721
00:31:02,279 --> 00:31:04,119
on the on the you know, how much stuff there

722
00:31:04,160 --> 00:31:06,599
was to work out. So being finalized means you've gotten

723
00:31:06,599 --> 00:31:09,480
to the stage of the negotiation where you're in agreement

724
00:31:09,519 --> 00:31:13,519
on the most basic important parameters and you are now

725
00:31:13,599 --> 00:31:16,880
in the process of sending the paperwork back and forth

726
00:31:16,920 --> 00:31:17,559
to the parties that.

727
00:31:17,720 --> 00:31:19,720
Speaker 1: Now you didn't emphasize you didn't emphasize that.

728
00:31:19,759 --> 00:31:22,279
Speaker 2: Well enough, I got to interject what that What that

729
00:31:22,480 --> 00:31:25,559
means to emphasize what you just said again is you've

730
00:31:25,599 --> 00:31:27,240
agreed on the money.

731
00:31:27,480 --> 00:31:30,759
Speaker 1: Where it is, the date, the weight, all of the

732
00:31:30,839 --> 00:31:31,559
important thing.

733
00:31:31,640 --> 00:31:35,240
Speaker 3: Now, maybe maybe the date is a slightly you don't

734
00:31:35,279 --> 00:31:38,160
have an actual venue set, but the basic ship for

735
00:31:38,240 --> 00:31:38,720
the fight.

736
00:31:38,599 --> 00:31:41,960
Speaker 2: Is we're trying to fight this weekend or maybe the

737
00:31:42,000 --> 00:31:46,519
next weekend. Here's where we're fighting, here's the weight, here's

738
00:31:46,559 --> 00:31:47,079
the money.

739
00:31:47,680 --> 00:31:49,000
Speaker 1: How it can get a little more complicated.

740
00:31:49,079 --> 00:31:50,839
Speaker 3: There have been fights that have been announced where the

741
00:31:50,920 --> 00:31:53,000
venue was not say yet, but everybody's like it's going

742
00:31:53,039 --> 00:31:54,440
to be in you know, June.

743
00:31:54,240 --> 00:31:54,640
Speaker 1: Right.

744
00:31:54,880 --> 00:31:56,799
Speaker 3: Just we're working on a couple of things with various things.

745
00:31:56,839 --> 00:31:59,279
But let me finish the point though. Here's the thing

746
00:31:59,319 --> 00:32:03,799
about it. The back and forth is happening between the lawyers,

747
00:32:03,839 --> 00:32:06,240
the managers, the promoters, and they're all going through the

748
00:32:06,240 --> 00:32:08,880
contract or the deal memo and they're making their corrections

749
00:32:08,880 --> 00:32:10,920
and their statements and there might be some changes, and

750
00:32:11,119 --> 00:32:14,039
that's being finalized. Where you're down to the nitty gritty

751
00:32:14,039 --> 00:32:17,480
of like the language and this dot on this eye

752
00:32:17,480 --> 00:32:19,319
and that te on, you know, cross on that tee,

753
00:32:19,960 --> 00:32:23,039
and but the general terms are agreed to, that's being finalized.

754
00:32:23,200 --> 00:32:27,480
Canelo Alvarez against Terrence Crawford had never reached that point. Okay,

755
00:32:27,960 --> 00:32:30,200
that's my reporting. I have spoken to people involved on

756
00:32:30,240 --> 00:32:33,039
both sides of this thing. All due respect to The

757
00:32:33,119 --> 00:32:36,200
Ring Magazine, and they're a great publication, and I hope

758
00:32:36,200 --> 00:32:39,160
that Turkey has a wonderful experience owning it, and they

759
00:32:39,200 --> 00:32:40,880
do a great job, and I'm a fan. I like

760
00:32:40,920 --> 00:32:43,680
the way they've read on their print magazine. I've written

761
00:32:43,680 --> 00:32:45,680
for The Ring Magazine in the past, many many times.

762
00:32:45,799 --> 00:32:48,480
I've covered fights for The Ring Magazine. However, Turkey as

763
00:32:48,519 --> 00:32:51,319
the owner, has to prove that it's not a mouthpiece,

764
00:32:51,960 --> 00:32:53,799
and so far we don't. I'm not saying it is,

765
00:32:54,279 --> 00:32:56,039
but so far we don't know that it isn't. So

766
00:32:56,319 --> 00:32:59,559
in my role as a journalist, pardon me, but I

767
00:32:59,599 --> 00:33:02,480
am going to have some healthy skepticism. So when I

768
00:33:02,519 --> 00:33:06,000
see an unbylined article appear late night on The Ring

769
00:33:06,039 --> 00:33:08,440
Magazine and it comes across my Twitter, and people keep

770
00:33:08,480 --> 00:33:11,039
asking us if I go check the website and there's

771
00:33:11,039 --> 00:33:14,559
no byline, it doesn't have any quotes, it doesn't have

772
00:33:15,119 --> 00:33:17,240
you know, it has anonymous source, one source I believe

773
00:33:17,240 --> 00:33:19,480
it was. Maybe it was sources. But the point is

774
00:33:19,680 --> 00:33:21,839
there was nothing other than the fight is off. It

775
00:33:21,880 --> 00:33:23,880
didn't specify a reason, it didn't get into anything. It

776
00:33:23,920 --> 00:33:26,720
was literally the whole story quote unquote. Story was like

777
00:33:27,119 --> 00:33:30,200
three sentences or four senses. It was not a lot

778
00:33:30,240 --> 00:33:32,680
of meat on the bone. Now I went and I,

779
00:33:32,839 --> 00:33:34,599
you know, made some calls because okay, I mean I

780
00:33:35,279 --> 00:33:37,119
in the most of the time I've looked at the

781
00:33:37,200 --> 00:33:39,160
ring as a credible source. No, no, you know, they've

782
00:33:39,160 --> 00:33:41,960
got good guys over there writing stories and reporting on things,

783
00:33:42,000 --> 00:33:45,200
guys I've known for many years now in my reporting.

784
00:33:45,400 --> 00:33:48,240
When I checked into all that stuff, I was told

785
00:33:48,319 --> 00:33:51,279
very specifically by somebody that would be directly involved in

786
00:33:51,359 --> 00:33:54,599
anything happening with this fight that as far as they

787
00:33:54,640 --> 00:33:57,480
were concerned and everything about it would cross their desk

788
00:33:57,519 --> 00:34:01,480
at some point. And I'm but a pair of so

789
00:34:01,599 --> 00:34:04,160
that was on when that when that story came out,

790
00:34:04,279 --> 00:34:05,799
what was that on Wednesday.

791
00:34:05,640 --> 00:34:08,280
Speaker 2: And Tuesday, the day was when the reports were that

792
00:34:08,360 --> 00:34:10,119
it was being finalized and it was going to be

793
00:34:10,119 --> 00:34:13,000
Allegiance Stadium Wednesday, it came out now it's off.

794
00:34:14,039 --> 00:34:18,599
Speaker 3: So it was explained to me that nothing to them

795
00:34:18,719 --> 00:34:22,320
had materially changed in any way from the previous day,

796
00:34:22,800 --> 00:34:24,960
and then now suddenly somebody sing us off. So as

797
00:34:24,960 --> 00:34:27,440
far as they knew, they had no idea why that

798
00:34:27,559 --> 00:34:29,840
was being said, if it was what the reason was,

799
00:34:29,840 --> 00:34:31,400
but as far as they were concerned, it was still

800
00:34:31,480 --> 00:34:34,320
the same pattern as it had been. We're trying to

801
00:34:34,360 --> 00:34:36,280
get it done. We'll see if it gets done. It

802
00:34:36,320 --> 00:34:38,559
was expressed to me by multiple people that would be

803
00:34:38,599 --> 00:34:41,159
involved in this thing that some of the reporting was

804
00:34:41,159 --> 00:34:43,880
getting far ahead of themselves, that it was being put

805
00:34:43,920 --> 00:34:45,559
in the media, put in the public, that it was

806
00:34:45,679 --> 00:34:50,400
much further along than it actually was. And so we'll see.

807
00:34:50,559 --> 00:34:53,320
As you mentioned, there's still September is a long way away.

808
00:34:53,880 --> 00:34:56,320
And here's the thing I always come back to. It

809
00:34:56,400 --> 00:35:00,000
is still, without question, by far and away, the biggest

810
00:35:00,159 --> 00:35:03,760
financial money fight that can be made in North American boxing.

811
00:35:04,239 --> 00:35:06,400
It doesn't mean it's the best fight, it doesn't mean

812
00:35:06,440 --> 00:35:08,760
it's the most important fight. It just means from a

813
00:35:08,800 --> 00:35:11,760
strictly dollars and cents that it's a bigger fight in

814
00:35:11,840 --> 00:35:15,360
terms of the dollars and cents. Then Canelo against Benavite is,

815
00:35:15,360 --> 00:35:18,960
in my opinion, Canelo against you know, a rematch with Bevoll,

816
00:35:19,239 --> 00:35:22,840
Canelo against better bv Canelo against just about anybody you

817
00:35:22,840 --> 00:35:25,760
can think of. In my mind that because of Crawford

818
00:35:25,760 --> 00:35:28,320
and his you know, desire to maybe try to win

819
00:35:28,320 --> 00:35:31,239
a championship in the bigger weight class. Now, while all

820
00:35:31,280 --> 00:35:32,920
this is happening, you want to get into the Jake

821
00:35:32,960 --> 00:35:33,360
Paul shit.

822
00:35:33,960 --> 00:35:36,679
Speaker 2: We can get into that in a second.

823
00:35:36,960 --> 00:35:38,079
Speaker 1: Right, Let me let me throw.

824
00:35:37,960 --> 00:35:40,119
Speaker 2: One more thing out there, because I think this is

825
00:35:40,159 --> 00:35:42,400
interesting and when you go back on all of this,

826
00:35:42,400 --> 00:35:44,719
this may give you a window into what's going on.

827
00:35:45,280 --> 00:35:48,960
I remember when Caleb Plant was talking about trying to

828
00:35:49,000 --> 00:35:51,239
get the deal, and he talked on the record about this,

829
00:35:51,679 --> 00:35:54,360
trying to get the deal done for him to fight

830
00:35:54,440 --> 00:35:58,599
Canelo Lavarez. He was venting that everything was a one

831
00:35:58,639 --> 00:36:02,760
way negotiation. Pannello wanted a one way rematch clause, which

832
00:36:02,800 --> 00:36:05,400
meant if I beat him, he gets the rematch, but

833
00:36:05,400 --> 00:36:08,280
if he beats me, I don't get the rematch. Canelo

834
00:36:08,320 --> 00:36:13,119
wanted to control all of the advertising for the fight.

835
00:36:13,199 --> 00:36:15,159
Speaker 1: He was a total shot caller. We get it. The

836
00:36:15,199 --> 00:36:16,679
phrase we use in all of that.

837
00:36:17,000 --> 00:36:20,079
Speaker 2: So I just wonder, speculating from the cheap set, just

838
00:36:20,119 --> 00:36:23,400
sitting back, if it got to the point where in

839
00:36:23,440 --> 00:36:25,639
all of these discussions.

840
00:36:25,320 --> 00:36:27,840
Speaker 1: That he wanted this and this and this and this.

841
00:36:27,719 --> 00:36:29,639
Speaker 2: Which is what he's used to getting, and when he

842
00:36:29,639 --> 00:36:31,840
didn't get all of that that Canelo just said, Okay,

843
00:36:31,920 --> 00:36:35,280
I'll figure something else out with somebody else. Do you

844
00:36:35,679 --> 00:36:39,440
buy that that's possible, if not probable, just with what

845
00:36:39,519 --> 00:36:40,880
we know from before.

846
00:36:41,000 --> 00:36:44,280
Speaker 3: I wouldn't say probable, but certainly that's possible. Canelo Alvarez

847
00:36:44,719 --> 00:36:48,719
understands his position. He's not unwilling to flex his muscle.

848
00:36:49,360 --> 00:36:52,519
I know any fighter that's in that position probably would

849
00:36:52,639 --> 00:36:55,280
and should you know, and again nothing against my man,

850
00:36:55,360 --> 00:36:58,920
Caleb Plant, but obviously you're doing a Caleb Plant Canelo, right,

851
00:36:59,119 --> 00:37:01,000
Caleb Plant brought a lot to the table because it

852
00:37:01,039 --> 00:37:02,679
was the last piece for undisputed, and it was a

853
00:37:02,679 --> 00:37:05,639
great opportunity for Canelo to become undisputed as well as

854
00:37:05,639 --> 00:37:07,519
it was for Caleb if he could have went to

855
00:37:07,519 --> 00:37:10,039
become undisputed. But when you put that emotional part of

856
00:37:10,039 --> 00:37:11,559
it aside and you're down to the nitty gritty of

857
00:37:11,599 --> 00:37:14,440
the business, yeah, obviously Canelo's gonna call the shots. Now

858
00:37:14,480 --> 00:37:16,400
you have to show respect to the opponent, because again,

859
00:37:16,480 --> 00:37:18,800
Kayleb Plant had the title, and you can't become undisputed

860
00:37:18,800 --> 00:37:20,760
if you don't have Caleb Plant in the in the fight. Now,

861
00:37:20,760 --> 00:37:23,199
when it comes to Terrence Crawford, this is not that

862
00:37:23,280 --> 00:37:26,480
kind of situation for Kenel Aalvaris. He's not going to

863
00:37:26,519 --> 00:37:30,000
be getting another title. He's he's the champion. It's not

864
00:37:30,519 --> 00:37:32,400
I mean, yeah, he's gonna probably make a big payday,

865
00:37:32,400 --> 00:37:35,039
but Canelo makes big paydays against anybody. So even if

866
00:37:35,079 --> 00:37:36,840
you were to go, let's I'm making this up. Let's

867
00:37:36,840 --> 00:37:39,199
say he said, screwf doing the deal with Turkey and

868
00:37:39,199 --> 00:37:44,159
fighting Crawford for you know, eighty million dollars. I can

869
00:37:44,199 --> 00:37:47,400
still go fight you know, christ and Billy and and

870
00:37:47,719 --> 00:37:51,199
make thirty five million dollars. And when you've already made literally,

871
00:37:52,039 --> 00:37:55,239
you know, five hundred million dollars or more in your career,

872
00:37:55,320 --> 00:37:58,199
Like I mean, now, you're just keeping score. It doesn't

873
00:37:58,400 --> 00:38:00,920
like if he makes thirty time making bank money, it's

874
00:38:00,960 --> 00:38:02,760
not something that's going to change in his life or

875
00:38:02,800 --> 00:38:06,079
his family's life. Ever, So that's completely irrelevant. It gets

876
00:38:06,079 --> 00:38:08,239
to the point where it's about who has the bigger dick. Basically,

877
00:38:08,440 --> 00:38:09,840
you know, it's pound your chest.

878
00:38:09,800 --> 00:38:13,280
Speaker 2: Or in his world that this is the way that

879
00:38:13,320 --> 00:38:14,800
I'm going to do things, and this is what's going

880
00:38:14,840 --> 00:38:16,000
to lead to the Jake Paul discussion.

881
00:38:16,000 --> 00:38:17,039
Speaker 1: We're coming to it right now.

882
00:38:17,440 --> 00:38:20,320
Speaker 2: And if you don't want to go along with what

883
00:38:20,480 --> 00:38:23,039
my guarantee is, what my terms are on a one

884
00:38:23,079 --> 00:38:26,199
way rematch. I get to control the advertising, I control

885
00:38:26,239 --> 00:38:29,559
all the aspects of this, then I'll go fight somebody else. Now,

886
00:38:30,400 --> 00:38:32,400
I have to say that you and I have been

887
00:38:32,440 --> 00:38:34,639
doing this for about three years, and two or three

888
00:38:34,639 --> 00:38:37,239
times we have brought up the name Jake Paul in

889
00:38:37,320 --> 00:38:43,519
conversation about Canelo Alvarez. Are we seriously legitimately in the

890
00:38:43,559 --> 00:38:44,880
realm where this.

891
00:38:44,719 --> 00:38:45,840
Speaker 1: Could possibly happen?

892
00:38:46,000 --> 00:38:48,000
Speaker 2: What have you been hearing? What have you found out?

893
00:38:48,280 --> 00:38:50,760
Speaker 3: No? Absolutely, Now again, I'm not going to sit here

894
00:38:50,760 --> 00:38:52,239
and tell you what it's being finalized, because I don't

895
00:38:52,239 --> 00:38:57,000
play games like that. But they are absolutely one hundred percent,

896
00:38:57,559 --> 00:39:00,719
one hundred percent ninety nine point nine nine point nine

897
00:39:00,760 --> 00:39:04,280
to eight whatever. They're absolutely that their people are at

898
00:39:04,360 --> 00:39:07,199
least engaged in a dialogue to discuss the possibility of

899
00:39:07,199 --> 00:39:09,679
making this match. Whether it will happen or not, I

900
00:39:09,719 --> 00:39:12,440
don't know, because you get into the same situation. Canelo

901
00:39:12,559 --> 00:39:15,000
is an A personality. He is the A side. Jake

902
00:39:15,039 --> 00:39:17,079
Paul is an A personality. He's always been the A side,

903
00:39:17,119 --> 00:39:19,199
and sometimes in those sides, trying to make a deal

904
00:39:19,239 --> 00:39:23,400
it becomes extremely difficult and they kind of don't see

905
00:39:23,400 --> 00:39:25,239
the forest through the trees. You make a Canelo Versus

906
00:39:25,320 --> 00:39:27,960
Jake Paul fight, you know, you might as well print money. Now,

907
00:39:28,000 --> 00:39:29,440
a lot of people will hate on the fight. I

908
00:39:29,480 --> 00:39:31,519
get that, but at the end of the day, they

909
00:39:31,559 --> 00:39:34,000
both have different fan bases. They both have very passionate,

910
00:39:34,000 --> 00:39:36,320
diehard fan bases, and it will be a big event,

911
00:39:37,360 --> 00:39:39,159
you know. I was thinking to myself, if they could,

912
00:39:39,239 --> 00:39:41,079
if Netflix put up the kind of money and put

913
00:39:41,119 --> 00:39:43,239
up for the Tyson Jake Paul fight, and they love

914
00:39:43,280 --> 00:39:45,039
a ten pole event, and I don't know what would

915
00:39:45,039 --> 00:39:48,159
prevent them from doing Canelo versus Jake Paul on Netflix.

916
00:39:48,159 --> 00:39:51,000
That would be I think that would be just as

917
00:39:51,039 --> 00:39:53,920
big as the Tyson fight, because even though Tyson's obviously

918
00:39:53,920 --> 00:39:57,480
a bigger name than Canelo, bigger than any boxer. Canelo

919
00:39:57,519 --> 00:39:59,679
is an active fighter who hasn't been retired for twenty

920
00:39:59,760 --> 00:40:02,400
years and is the much smaller guy, even if Jake

921
00:40:02,480 --> 00:40:05,000
is obviously a lot less experience and doesn't have any

922
00:40:05,079 --> 00:40:08,119
kind of nearly the account the talent or accomplishment. So

923
00:40:08,519 --> 00:40:10,440
we'll see what happens on that end. But yeah, they're

924
00:40:10,480 --> 00:40:14,320
having the conversations. Now. Look the plan that was being

925
00:40:14,360 --> 00:40:16,679
mapped out to do a fight against Jake Paul for

926
00:40:16,760 --> 00:40:19,280
Canelo sometime in the spring May June, and then move

927
00:40:19,320 --> 00:40:22,039
on to a Terrence Crawford fight. You're talking about a

928
00:40:22,159 --> 00:40:24,480
year in which he would you know, he's been Canelo

929
00:40:24,559 --> 00:40:27,840
on that Forbes Top Athletes Paid list for however many

930
00:40:27,880 --> 00:40:30,079
years in a row. He would probably be in the

931
00:40:30,079 --> 00:40:32,599
top three or four after a year like that if

932
00:40:32,599 --> 00:40:34,800
he fought both of those fights. So we'll see what happens.

933
00:40:34,880 --> 00:40:36,400
But one thing you can rest the short is Canelo

934
00:40:36,440 --> 00:40:39,159
Alvarez is gonna fight, probably gonna fight mayor June, and

935
00:40:39,159 --> 00:40:41,400
he's gonna fight again in the fall, and it's just

936
00:40:41,400 --> 00:40:42,519
a matter of who's gonna be across it.

937
00:40:42,679 --> 00:40:45,199
Speaker 2: Is it realistic that he could fight Jake Paul in

938
00:40:45,239 --> 00:40:47,559
mayor June or do you think this is a thing

939
00:40:47,679 --> 00:40:51,440
where he's gonna fight somebody. I'm just speculating, and if

940
00:40:51,440 --> 00:40:54,800
the Pall fight happens, it's to replace the Terrence Crawford

941
00:40:54,840 --> 00:40:56,639
fight in the fall, not the case.

942
00:40:56,679 --> 00:40:59,840
Speaker 3: Okay, No, My understanding is the conversations have centered around

943
00:41:00,199 --> 00:41:03,840
it being the next fight. Now, could they change their

944
00:41:04,000 --> 00:41:06,039
tact and go and try to do a beater in

945
00:41:06,079 --> 00:41:08,840
the year. I guess anything is possible, you know. That's

946
00:41:08,880 --> 00:41:11,599
one thing I think that certain people don't understand. Also

947
00:41:11,760 --> 00:41:13,920
is that and again I can only speak for myself.

948
00:41:14,159 --> 00:41:16,880
When I report something, you do so knowing that it

949
00:41:16,920 --> 00:41:19,280
has the chance to change the next day, that everything

950
00:41:19,280 --> 00:41:22,519
about this is fluid. So what what I've always lived

951
00:41:22,519 --> 00:41:24,039
by and I try to remember who told miss an

952
00:41:24,119 --> 00:41:25,679
editor many years ago that I had maybe when I

953
00:41:25,719 --> 00:41:28,320
started my newspaper career, is your job is to report

954
00:41:28,360 --> 00:41:32,679
the best, most factual, most accurate information possible at the time,

955
00:41:33,039 --> 00:41:35,760
knowing that it is going to there's a good chance

956
00:41:35,760 --> 00:41:38,719
it may change, you know, within hours, days, weeks, months,

957
00:41:38,760 --> 00:41:40,400
whatever the situation.

958
00:41:40,679 --> 00:41:43,039
Speaker 2: You and I are contemporaries, were of the same background.

959
00:41:43,079 --> 00:41:46,920
I have a broadcast journalism degree. You have been you

960
00:41:46,960 --> 00:41:49,039
have a broadcast you have a journalism degree, you've been

961
00:41:49,079 --> 00:41:49,400
a writer.

962
00:41:49,559 --> 00:41:49,880
Speaker 1: Whatever.

963
00:41:50,320 --> 00:41:51,519
Speaker 3: I do not have a journalism degree.

964
00:41:51,519 --> 00:41:52,079
Speaker 1: You don't have to drug.

965
00:41:52,400 --> 00:41:54,320
Speaker 2: I thought you did have a journalism agree you're breaking

966
00:41:54,320 --> 00:41:56,039
news to be on the pod.

967
00:41:55,079 --> 00:41:59,800
Speaker 3: What. I was a history major and I still still

968
00:42:00,400 --> 00:42:03,880
but I took the journalism classes. I learned from wonderful editors.

969
00:42:03,599 --> 00:42:04,199
Speaker 1: And how to write.

970
00:42:04,239 --> 00:42:06,400
Speaker 2: And by the way, history is all about getting the

971
00:42:06,440 --> 00:42:08,679
facts and the and the stuff correct. From way back

972
00:42:08,719 --> 00:42:11,639
when it was explained to me this way, you are

973
00:42:11,760 --> 00:42:19,719
seeking the truth. Whatever that truth is in its current form.

974
00:42:18,519 --> 00:42:19,159
Speaker 1: That's correct.

975
00:42:19,199 --> 00:42:21,719
Speaker 2: And if the truth is that the fight is not done,

976
00:42:22,239 --> 00:42:24,920
could be on, could be off, And here's the terms.

977
00:42:24,920 --> 00:42:26,679
That's the truth at the time that you're seeking it.

978
00:42:26,760 --> 00:42:28,280
That's what the truth is, and that's what we're doing

979
00:42:28,280 --> 00:42:28,880
here on the podcast.

980
00:42:28,880 --> 00:42:30,960
Speaker 3: I just feel like certain people in the media they

981
00:42:31,000 --> 00:42:33,480
picked their words wrong, because there'd be nothing wrong with

982
00:42:33,559 --> 00:42:37,440
writing a story about Terrence Crawford and uh Terrence Crawford

983
00:42:37,440 --> 00:42:40,519
and Kenel Alvarez, and instead of using the phrase being finalized,

984
00:42:41,320 --> 00:42:43,920
you could write say, hey, they are you know, deep

985
00:42:43,960 --> 00:42:46,119
in the negotiation of trying to get things worked out.

986
00:42:46,159 --> 00:42:47,960
I mean, there's a thousand ways you can skin a

987
00:42:48,000 --> 00:42:50,079
cat and and come up with the right words. But

988
00:42:50,119 --> 00:42:51,960
when you say being finalized, to me, that's a very

989
00:42:52,000 --> 00:42:54,320
specific thing. That means they agree to the terms, they

990
00:42:54,360 --> 00:42:56,440
are chaining, they're doing the papers. And that was not

991
00:42:56,559 --> 00:42:56,960
the case.

992
00:42:58,239 --> 00:43:00,679
Speaker 2: Just like whatever else was being finalized back a few

993
00:43:00,719 --> 00:43:03,679
weeks ago, that wasn't finalized. And I spoke, I don't

994
00:43:03,719 --> 00:43:06,079
know there was a female Lopez fight, wasn't it that

995
00:43:06,199 --> 00:43:07,159
was being finalized.

996
00:43:07,480 --> 00:43:09,000
Speaker 1: I believe it's not finalized.

997
00:43:09,320 --> 00:43:12,760
Speaker 2: Let's just end it with this on Canelo Jake Paul

998
00:43:13,000 --> 00:43:17,880
on the Rayphael meter. Zero chance that it happens. Ten

999
00:43:18,199 --> 00:43:22,599
It absolutely happens. Zero, it never happens. No chance it's

1000
00:43:22,679 --> 00:43:23,559
where right now?

1001
00:43:25,199 --> 00:43:28,000
Speaker 3: I think it's uh, we'll call like a six and

1002
00:43:28,039 --> 00:43:28,360
a half.

1003
00:43:28,679 --> 00:43:29,159
Speaker 4: Wow.

1004
00:43:30,360 --> 00:43:34,079
Speaker 2: But again, and it was more than a two or three.

1005
00:43:34,239 --> 00:43:35,719
Speaker 1: Oh no, come on, remarkable.

1006
00:43:35,760 --> 00:43:38,840
Speaker 2: I'm talking about like, I don't want to go for

1007
00:43:38,880 --> 00:43:40,519
another thirty minutes, TJ.

1008
00:43:40,639 --> 00:43:42,880
Speaker 3: Just remember one thing when you ask about the Rayfield meter,

1009
00:43:43,119 --> 00:43:45,559
before you think about what the score is, ask yourself

1010
00:43:45,559 --> 00:43:48,440
in your mind, shall I follow the money?

1011
00:43:49,119 --> 00:43:51,760
Speaker 2: Well no, I'm not saying the why. I'm just saying

1012
00:43:51,760 --> 00:43:53,519
where do you have it? And you have it the

1013
00:43:53,559 --> 00:43:54,519
moment you believe it's.

1014
00:43:54,400 --> 00:43:54,920
Speaker 1: Because of the money.

1015
00:43:54,960 --> 00:43:57,679
Speaker 3: Yeah, strictly the money, all right, and.

1016
00:43:57,639 --> 00:44:02,159
Speaker 2: Then a later time when it gets a little more progressed,

1017
00:44:02,599 --> 00:44:04,480
let's see if let's see if it becomes more of

1018
00:44:04,480 --> 00:44:07,480
a reality. I'll have some more thoughts on that and

1019
00:44:07,599 --> 00:44:11,360
about Canelo Alvarez and his legacy at this point, all right,

1020
00:44:11,719 --> 00:44:15,440
Ryan Garcia is a topic and a person that we've

1021
00:44:15,440 --> 00:44:20,239
talked about several times. We have new news, including we

1022
00:44:20,599 --> 00:44:24,079
talked about him enrolling in Vada. We've talked about the

1023
00:44:24,199 --> 00:44:27,480
risk problems that he's had, and now you have learned

1024
00:44:28,000 --> 00:44:32,840
about he's back with a familiar and famous trainer. So

1025
00:44:33,199 --> 00:44:35,320
share this with the audience as it relates to what's

1026
00:44:35,320 --> 00:44:36,840
coming up for him and may Well.

1027
00:44:36,880 --> 00:44:41,199
Speaker 3: He's got the May second tentative fight against Roly Romero. Again,

1028
00:44:41,239 --> 00:44:43,159
keep in mind, this has not been officially announced in

1029
00:44:43,280 --> 00:44:45,760
terms of like a press conference, a press release, but

1030
00:44:45,840 --> 00:44:48,840
Turkey's social media post who has not even said the

1031
00:44:48,920 --> 00:44:53,159
date in terms of his postings. But I believe numerous

1032
00:44:53,159 --> 00:44:55,559
people I have spoken to that says this, if it happens,

1033
00:44:55,599 --> 00:44:57,320
is going to be May second. So we all know

1034
00:44:57,320 --> 00:44:59,199
the deal here. They're trying to do a doubleheader where

1035
00:44:59,199 --> 00:45:02,960
will be really Romero against Ryan Garcia Devin Haney against

1036
00:45:03,000 --> 00:45:06,400
Jose Ramirez with the idea that if Jose I mean, rather,

1037
00:45:06,400 --> 00:45:08,760
if Ryan Garcia and Devin Haney are the winners, they

1038
00:45:08,760 --> 00:45:12,599
will then fight in October in Riad, Saudi Arabia in

1039
00:45:12,639 --> 00:45:15,840
the rematch. Whereas the May double hitter is being situated

1040
00:45:15,880 --> 00:45:17,920
for New York City, they're talking about doing the fight

1041
00:45:17,960 --> 00:45:21,239
in Times Square as a big event on a Friday night. Okay,

1042
00:45:21,280 --> 00:45:24,280
So with that being said, now you look at two factors.

1043
00:45:24,360 --> 00:45:27,119
Number One, When Ryan Garcia and Devin Haney had their

1044
00:45:27,119 --> 00:45:30,119
fight back in April of last year, as well as

1045
00:45:30,159 --> 00:45:32,760
the previous fights before that, Ryan Garcia was in Texas

1046
00:45:32,760 --> 00:45:35,639
being trained by Derek James. He had broken apart with

1047
00:45:36,159 --> 00:45:38,320
the Canelo team. Remember he had been close to Canelo

1048
00:45:38,320 --> 00:45:40,800
and he had been being trained by Eddie Renoso and

1049
00:45:41,239 --> 00:45:43,280
obviously that didn't work out and he left and then

1050
00:45:43,280 --> 00:45:45,159
went and found Derek and had some success with Derek.

1051
00:45:45,199 --> 00:45:47,079
Because even though whatever you want to talk about the

1052
00:45:47,079 --> 00:45:48,920
craziness of what happened with the Haney promotion and the

1053
00:45:49,000 --> 00:45:51,599
drug test and his while drinking and all the crazy

1054
00:45:51,599 --> 00:45:53,360
things that were going on leading up to it, in

1055
00:45:53,400 --> 00:45:55,559
the boxing ring, he did win the fight, even though

1056
00:45:55,559 --> 00:45:57,639
it was changed for no contests, and a big part

1057
00:45:57,679 --> 00:45:59,519
of that has to be given credit to his trainer,

1058
00:45:59,559 --> 00:46:02,000
Derek James at him obviously in some kind of shape

1059
00:46:02,039 --> 00:46:05,119
and you know, with a good game plan. But so

1060
00:46:05,199 --> 00:46:06,840
the rumor started to come out that he had broken

1061
00:46:06,880 --> 00:46:09,480
apart with Derek and in return to Eddie Renoso, and

1062
00:46:09,519 --> 00:46:11,320
I was sort of like, wow, that surprises me actually,

1063
00:46:12,280 --> 00:46:15,360
So I just asked around with the Golden Boy folks

1064
00:46:15,360 --> 00:46:17,239
and some of the Ryan people are like, yeah, he's

1065
00:46:17,280 --> 00:46:19,280
back training with Eddie Renosso. So we'll see how that

1066
00:46:19,320 --> 00:46:21,519
plays out. One factor that I found to be kind

1067
00:46:21,559 --> 00:46:23,119
of interesting is that if he is in fact back

1068
00:46:23,519 --> 00:46:27,119
definitely training with Eddie, that if Ryan is going to

1069
00:46:27,159 --> 00:46:30,199
be fighting on Friday, May second, and if Canelo still

1070
00:46:30,199 --> 00:46:31,960
goes forward and has some kind of fight, whoever it's

1071
00:46:31,960 --> 00:46:34,719
against Jake Paul or somebody else on May third, which

1072
00:46:34,719 --> 00:46:38,000
would be in Las Vegas, that's somethings.

1073
00:46:38,039 --> 00:46:38,800
Speaker 1: And half they hit the road.

1074
00:46:38,840 --> 00:46:40,360
Speaker 3: You know, Rubber is going to hit the road because

1075
00:46:40,679 --> 00:46:43,639
you know, Eddie Renosso is a great trainer. But I

1076
00:46:43,679 --> 00:46:45,519
find hard to believe that he's going to be in

1077
00:46:45,599 --> 00:46:48,280
Ryan Garcia's corner. On Friday and then with Canelo on

1078
00:46:48,320 --> 00:46:49,719
the third. You need to be with your guy more

1079
00:46:49,760 --> 00:46:51,880
than just the you know, a couple hours before the fight.

1080
00:46:51,920 --> 00:46:54,840
And he's obviously not gonna forego Canelo. That's his guy

1081
00:46:54,880 --> 00:46:57,559
for life. So we'll see how that all plays out.

1082
00:46:57,559 --> 00:47:01,480
And the other factor about that particular fight between Ryan

1083
00:47:01,559 --> 00:47:05,679
Garcia and UH and and uh Ryan Garcia Roly Romero

1084
00:47:07,039 --> 00:47:09,400
is and I'm gonna I may throw up on the

1085
00:47:09,400 --> 00:47:12,519
podcast DJ that I wish I'd go get my barf

1086
00:47:12,559 --> 00:47:14,679
back from my kitchen or something like that, because they're

1087
00:47:14,719 --> 00:47:18,760
gonna make this fight for the wb A regular welterweight

1088
00:47:18,800 --> 00:47:21,079
world title. Now, this is the.

1089
00:47:21,000 --> 00:47:24,639
Speaker 2: Point in the podcast where I kept coming at you

1090
00:47:24,840 --> 00:47:28,599
and saying the w b A and their garbage with

1091
00:47:28,679 --> 00:47:30,719
the regular titles and all the other stuff, and you

1092
00:47:30,800 --> 00:47:31,920
kept saying to me, Oh.

1093
00:47:32,159 --> 00:47:33,159
Speaker 1: They're doing away with it.

1094
00:47:33,599 --> 00:47:34,159
Speaker 3: They're seen.

1095
00:47:34,519 --> 00:47:37,119
Speaker 1: I talked to them. They're cleaning it up. They're gonna

1096
00:47:37,119 --> 00:47:37,760
stop doing this.

1097
00:47:37,880 --> 00:47:39,599
Speaker 2: They gotta clean up all the O no, no, you

1098
00:47:39,719 --> 00:47:41,519
kept saying they're cleaning up all the ones that that

1099
00:47:41,559 --> 00:47:42,199
are outlying.

1100
00:47:42,199 --> 00:47:44,079
Speaker 3: And then that's the point.

1101
00:47:44,159 --> 00:47:49,000
Speaker 2: But now you're coming back around and saying, of us

1102
00:47:49,000 --> 00:47:50,480
have been barfing all along.

1103
00:47:51,039 --> 00:47:54,039
Speaker 3: This is different. The reality is they did clean it up.

1104
00:47:54,039 --> 00:47:56,840
They got down where they had like fucking three extraaneous titles.

1105
00:47:56,880 --> 00:47:59,880
They had fewer extra titles than the WBC. But two

1106
00:48:00,239 --> 00:48:02,239
can be true at the same time. So they make

1107
00:48:02,280 --> 00:48:03,599
this fight for the regular.

1108
00:48:03,480 --> 00:48:04,599
Speaker 1: One thing is true.

1109
00:48:04,679 --> 00:48:07,559
Speaker 2: They want to call all of these fights title fights.

1110
00:48:07,639 --> 00:48:08,639
Speaker 1: That's what the truth is.

1111
00:48:08,679 --> 00:48:08,840
Speaker 3: Here.

1112
00:48:08,880 --> 00:48:09,639
Speaker 1: We go back to seeking.

1113
00:48:09,760 --> 00:48:12,039
Speaker 3: But this is even more egregious than any of the others,

1114
00:48:12,039 --> 00:48:14,679
and I say that for a variety of reasons. Number one,

1115
00:48:14,800 --> 00:48:18,000
Ryan Garcia is coming off a drug suspension and a

1116
00:48:18,079 --> 00:48:21,880
no contest and has not done dick to earn that

1117
00:48:21,920 --> 00:48:24,280
type of fight period, end of story. The fact that

1118
00:48:24,320 --> 00:48:25,840
they would allow him the fight for a world title

1119
00:48:25,840 --> 00:48:27,880
off of a drug suspension with a fight there was

1120
00:48:28,000 --> 00:48:32,960
no contest because he fucking cheated, that's a problem obviously.

1121
00:48:33,400 --> 00:48:36,480
So that's the first thing. Yes, he did defeat Oscar Duarte,

1122
00:48:36,559 --> 00:48:38,679
which was a nice win for him, but before that

1123
00:48:38,760 --> 00:48:42,079
he quit and got knocked out by Gervonta Davis. I mean,

1124
00:48:42,159 --> 00:48:44,360
some people say he quit. I actually thought it was legit,

1125
00:48:44,559 --> 00:48:46,440
but some people say he stayed on the knee when

1126
00:48:46,440 --> 00:48:48,960
he got stopped by Tank Davis. And so why you're

1127
00:48:48,960 --> 00:48:53,719
making this a world title fight is beyond my comprehension garbage.

1128
00:48:53,800 --> 00:48:57,159
I mean and and and then you and and that's

1129
00:48:57,199 --> 00:48:58,920
the Ryan Garcia end of things. Now, if you look

1130
00:48:58,920 --> 00:49:02,199
at Roly Romero as a participant in a welterweight world

1131
00:49:02,239 --> 00:49:05,679
title fight, number one has never fought in the welterweight division,

1132
00:49:05,840 --> 00:49:09,000
has been a career long lightweight. Other than his most

1133
00:49:09,039 --> 00:49:11,880
recent couple of fights, which were at junior welterweight. He

1134
00:49:12,039 --> 00:49:14,800
come off a knockout loss where he looked absolutely horrendous

1135
00:49:15,079 --> 00:49:18,119
against Isaac Cruz in their title fight, got absolutely destroyed,

1136
00:49:18,400 --> 00:49:22,679
came back won a very pedestrian, horrendously boring against a

1137
00:49:22,719 --> 00:49:25,639
regular type of guy in Manuel Himes that took place

1138
00:49:25,639 --> 00:49:28,920
back in September, a terrible fight. Absolutely not the kind

1139
00:49:28,960 --> 00:49:30,480
of opponent that should put you in a position to

1140
00:49:30,480 --> 00:49:32,800
fight for a world title, period. So for this to

1141
00:49:32,840 --> 00:49:35,440
be a world title fight is ridiculous. And the reason

1142
00:49:35,519 --> 00:49:38,000
even more so than make it ridiculous is because the

1143
00:49:38,039 --> 00:49:41,480
actual title holder, which is emantistanionas he is in a

1144
00:49:41,559 --> 00:49:45,000
unification fight in April against Jaron Boots Ennis to unify

1145
00:49:45,039 --> 00:49:48,639
the IBF and the WBA title. So your champion is active,

1146
00:49:48,920 --> 00:49:51,239
he fought at the end of last year. He's got

1147
00:49:51,239 --> 00:49:53,719
a fight coming up in April this year after unfortunately

1148
00:49:53,719 --> 00:49:56,079
a long layoff. So what the fuck is the purpose

1149
00:49:56,079 --> 00:49:58,559
of that is to get the WBA paid and give

1150
00:49:58,599 --> 00:50:00,840
the guy that wins a fake title. Period. I'm so

1151
00:50:00,960 --> 00:50:03,480
fucking pissed about this one. You don't even understand.

1152
00:50:04,000 --> 00:50:06,000
Speaker 1: I do understand. It's garbage.

1153
00:50:06,639 --> 00:50:09,679
Speaker 2: Stop defending them for getting rid of all the regular titles.

1154
00:50:09,679 --> 00:50:11,800
Speaker 3: Got really fucking riled up right now.

1155
00:50:11,840 --> 00:50:14,400
Speaker 2: I understand they were never getting rid of these because

1156
00:50:14,400 --> 00:50:17,280
of the reason you just explained, the money, the sanctioning fee,

1157
00:50:17,599 --> 00:50:18,199
the fake.

1158
00:50:18,039 --> 00:50:20,519
Speaker 3: But the point that you are when willing to accept

1159
00:50:20,599 --> 00:50:24,519
is over the past two years, they actually did eliminate

1160
00:50:24,920 --> 00:50:27,239
a dozen of these titles or more.

1161
00:50:28,400 --> 00:50:32,039
Speaker 2: But that was not to slip exactly. That was not

1162
00:50:32,119 --> 00:50:33,519
to eliminate them from all times.

1163
00:50:33,519 --> 00:50:35,079
Speaker 3: I think there were a bunch of fucking drunks that

1164
00:50:35,159 --> 00:50:37,519
got their shit together in alcoholics anonymous, and then they

1165
00:50:37,559 --> 00:50:38,280
took a drink again.

1166
00:50:38,280 --> 00:50:42,239
Speaker 2: And that's a fairly appropriate analogy on that. Back back

1167
00:50:42,280 --> 00:50:46,079
on the sauce, uh, let's move on, shall wait? Janna

1168
00:50:46,159 --> 00:50:47,559
Beck now has.

1169
00:50:47,440 --> 00:50:49,039
Speaker 3: A and by the way, I have one hour thing

1170
00:50:49,079 --> 00:50:51,400
to say about that. I know this was an issue

1171
00:50:51,480 --> 00:50:57,519
because my very quality relationship with Gilberto Mendoza from the WBA. Uh.

1172
00:50:57,679 --> 00:51:01,079
I've asked them about this, this anctioning for this title

1173
00:51:01,320 --> 00:51:03,159
on a few occasions on our back and forth on

1174
00:51:03,199 --> 00:51:06,039
our text exchange, and Gilberto was usually very good about

1175
00:51:06,079 --> 00:51:08,960
responding and having back and forth. Hasn't fucking answered me

1176
00:51:09,039 --> 00:51:10,280
for three fucking days.

1177
00:51:12,199 --> 00:51:13,840
Speaker 1: Tells you a lot if.

1178
00:51:13,679 --> 00:51:16,199
Speaker 3: Not fucking me, dagil Berto, you're ducking me baby?

1179
00:51:17,360 --> 00:51:17,679
Speaker 1: All right?

1180
00:51:17,760 --> 00:51:21,559
Speaker 2: Jana Bec, Janebec now has a date Janebec Alemicannuli, the

1181
00:51:21,639 --> 00:51:26,079
WBO IBF middleweight champion. But I I have to confess

1182
00:51:26,320 --> 00:51:29,920
this is an April fight in Kazakhstan, and I don't

1183
00:51:29,920 --> 00:51:31,480
even know where you're going to go. For the name,

1184
00:51:31,800 --> 00:51:36,280
I'm gonna try Annuel. Is it Gama's Gamma Insinae. I

1185
00:51:36,280 --> 00:51:37,039
don't even know how to.

1186
00:51:36,960 --> 00:51:39,719
Speaker 1: Say the name. I think it's gosam Inge, gossam Inge.

1187
00:51:39,760 --> 00:51:42,639
Speaker 2: All right, what is this? It is a unified middleweight

1188
00:51:42,679 --> 00:51:43,119
title fight?

1189
00:51:43,320 --> 00:51:43,800
Speaker 3: What is this?

1190
00:51:44,199 --> 00:51:47,280
Speaker 1: What is this? Hey? Lighten me about what this is? Please?

1191
00:51:48,000 --> 00:51:50,480
Speaker 3: I mean, Janebec has wanted to go home and have

1192
00:51:50,519 --> 00:51:53,719
a fight in Kazakhstan. Uh, he's proud of his heritage.

1193
00:51:53,719 --> 00:51:56,559
He was an Olympian for Kazakhstan. He has you know,

1194
00:51:56,599 --> 00:51:58,760
he's based in southern California, but he hasn't had a

1195
00:51:58,800 --> 00:52:02,159
fight in Kazakhstan since his first and second professional fights.

1196
00:52:02,199 --> 00:52:04,440
That's obviously a number of years ago. So when the

1197
00:52:04,480 --> 00:52:08,159
opportunity with a promoter from Kazakhstan came up and it

1198
00:52:08,199 --> 00:52:10,000
wasn't like he had some big fights in the out there,

1199
00:52:10,239 --> 00:52:12,559
Top Rank was able to work with them to find

1200
00:52:12,599 --> 00:52:15,400
a way for him to have for his career a

1201
00:52:15,400 --> 00:52:18,519
big fight at home helped build his image in his

1202
00:52:18,639 --> 00:52:20,800
name at home, you know, which is not a bad thing.

1203
00:52:21,239 --> 00:52:24,559
And again with no particular mega fight out there, that's

1204
00:52:24,599 --> 00:52:26,559
the that's the route they've tried to take. So it'll

1205
00:52:26,599 --> 00:52:29,400
be April fifth, it'll be an ESPN Plus event here

1206
00:52:29,400 --> 00:52:31,679
in the United States. They had been trying to make

1207
00:52:31,679 --> 00:52:34,719
a deal with the British fighter Shaquille Thompson, Top Rank

1208
00:52:35,039 --> 00:52:38,280
and Shaquille Thompson's promoter. They had come to an agreement

1209
00:52:38,360 --> 00:52:41,039
his promoter's GBM, which does shows in the UK primarily,

1210
00:52:41,960 --> 00:52:45,039
and that was pending Shaquille winning what was supposed to

1211
00:52:45,079 --> 00:52:47,440
be a tuna fight that's taking place on Friday night

1212
00:52:47,559 --> 00:52:51,280
of this week, and so they were they they were

1213
00:52:51,440 --> 00:52:55,639
trying trying to finalize that, and then the manager of

1214
00:52:55,639 --> 00:52:58,960
Shaquill Thompson stepped in and that's I guess his job,

1215
00:52:59,000 --> 00:53:01,360
and decided it wasn't an ugh money to take that

1216
00:53:01,400 --> 00:53:03,639
gamble and fight for the Unified World title. And so

1217
00:53:03,679 --> 00:53:06,119
they tried to get more money. And you know, there

1218
00:53:06,119 --> 00:53:08,559
are certain times you can negotiate in certain times where

1219
00:53:08,559 --> 00:53:11,039
they'll just tell you to go fucking pound sand And

1220
00:53:11,079 --> 00:53:12,760
I guess they told him to go pound sand because

1221
00:53:12,800 --> 00:53:16,079
what the Chicel Thompson side maybe didn't understand and she

1222
00:53:16,199 --> 00:53:18,360
kills undefeated. I'm not saying anything bad about him or

1223
00:53:18,360 --> 00:53:20,159
even the manager. At the end of the day, this

1224
00:53:20,280 --> 00:53:22,320
is not to sh she killed Thompson show. They didn't

1225
00:53:22,320 --> 00:53:23,960
need to have him in the fight. They could get

1226
00:53:23,960 --> 00:53:26,360
anybody in the WBO or I mean, I guess there

1227
00:53:26,360 --> 00:53:28,599
the IBF rankings, and so if they had a certain

1228
00:53:28,599 --> 00:53:30,639
budget that they wanted to spend on the fight Thompson,

1229
00:53:31,199 --> 00:53:33,000
they were not in agreement on what that money was.

1230
00:53:33,039 --> 00:53:35,239
So the promoter, I guess, was okay with it, but

1231
00:53:35,280 --> 00:53:37,519
the manager wasn't. And so they're out, and so they

1232
00:53:37,559 --> 00:53:40,519
went and got this Annuel Nissa and m Gay who

1233
00:53:40,599 --> 00:53:44,159
was a just you know, the next guy in line.

1234
00:53:44,159 --> 00:53:47,840
I guess now. He was a twenty sixteen Olympian. He's

1235
00:53:47,880 --> 00:53:51,119
from the Democratic People's Republic of Congo. He fights out

1236
00:53:51,159 --> 00:53:53,480
of France. He didn't turn pre while he fought in

1237
00:53:53,519 --> 00:53:56,000
the twenty sixteen Olympics, and he is undefeated as a

1238
00:53:56,039 --> 00:53:59,119
professional at fourteen and oh with nine knockouts. He didn't

1239
00:53:59,119 --> 00:54:01,599
turn pro until tooth I was in nineteen uh and

1240
00:54:01,639 --> 00:54:02,960
he's come on, and I'll tell you one thing. I

1241
00:54:03,000 --> 00:54:05,280
actually looked up to see a little clip of him.

1242
00:54:05,440 --> 00:54:07,239
He I mean, I don't know how good he is.

1243
00:54:07,280 --> 00:54:10,079
He has never really fought anybody of consequence and obviously

1244
00:54:10,119 --> 00:54:12,159
had a good amateur background. But he's built like an

1245
00:54:12,199 --> 00:54:14,639
absolute wall, like a brick wall, all right, and he's

1246
00:54:14,679 --> 00:54:16,079
in looks an unbelievable condition.

1247
00:54:16,519 --> 00:54:19,559
Speaker 1: And how many pro fights again, how many fights?

1248
00:54:19,800 --> 00:54:22,760
Speaker 3: Fourteen pro fights? But Janebek's only got sixteen pro fights.

1249
00:54:23,639 --> 00:54:26,199
They and by the way, janebec was also a twenty

1250
00:54:26,360 --> 00:54:29,559
sixteen Olympians, so they come from the same you know,

1251
00:54:29,599 --> 00:54:31,840
Olympic class. From that standpoint where they both were in

1252
00:54:31,880 --> 00:54:33,440
the same tournament. I don't think. I don't believe that

1253
00:54:33,480 --> 00:54:35,760
they fought each other in the Olympics, But the point

1254
00:54:35,960 --> 00:54:39,000
is that they both have similar number of fights. But obviously,

1255
00:54:39,079 --> 00:54:41,519
even though Janebek hasn't had a chance to have big fights,

1256
00:54:41,519 --> 00:54:45,280
he's fought you know, obviously legitimate, solid pros with some

1257
00:54:45,280 --> 00:54:49,159
some reputation. So anyway, that's the fight. So he's going

1258
00:54:49,199 --> 00:54:51,679
home and you know, I'll call it a marking time fight.

1259
00:54:51,719 --> 00:54:54,639
Get a big attention in your home country. If you

1260
00:54:54,679 --> 00:54:56,639
can win, maybe that can help push you into a

1261
00:54:56,639 --> 00:54:59,320
bigger fight. As the middleweight division, hopefully we'll become a

1262
00:54:59,360 --> 00:55:02,440
little more uh, guys with the name recognition, whether it's

1263
00:55:02,440 --> 00:55:05,239
the winner of Sharaz against the Damas or somebody else

1264
00:55:05,360 --> 00:55:08,039
enters the fray, or he decides maybe to move up,

1265
00:55:08,639 --> 00:55:11,079
and so that's what's going on now. Uh, it's not

1266
00:55:11,119 --> 00:55:12,679
the biggest fight in the world. But you know, he

1267
00:55:12,760 --> 00:55:14,719
is a unified champion and he's really good. He may

1268
00:55:14,760 --> 00:55:16,519
not have a big fan base, he may not have

1269
00:55:16,599 --> 00:55:18,599
much of a personality, he may not be the most

1270
00:55:18,599 --> 00:55:20,760
popular or fun loving guy in the world, but uh,

1271
00:55:20,800 --> 00:55:22,320
he is a unified world champion, and there's not a

1272
00:55:22,320 --> 00:55:23,119
whole lot of those in boxing.

1273
00:55:23,280 --> 00:55:26,519
Speaker 2: Well, remember he had the health scare trying to make

1274
00:55:26,639 --> 00:55:29,199
weight and they had to cancel the fight on the

1275
00:55:29,239 --> 00:55:31,440
eve of the fight because he was dehydrated in the hospital.

1276
00:55:31,519 --> 00:55:33,199
And the other thing I keep thinking when you're saying this,

1277
00:55:33,360 --> 00:55:36,639
he turned down whatever the money offer was. He turned

1278
00:55:36,639 --> 00:55:40,000
down a lucrative opportunity to fight Hamsa Shiraz and defend

1279
00:55:40,039 --> 00:55:43,360
the title. And so now we're fighting. I'm gonna try

1280
00:55:43,400 --> 00:55:47,480
the game. The name again, the congen in got miscue?

1281
00:55:50,320 --> 00:55:51,159
Speaker 3: What the are you talking about?

1282
00:55:51,159 --> 00:55:54,960
Speaker 1: There's no it's en gay in gay in in gom.

1283
00:55:56,760 --> 00:55:59,960
Speaker 2: All right, well we'll try somebody spelling it, right, I am,

1284
00:56:00,039 --> 00:56:03,280
I understand, and it's literally what thirteen or fourteen letters,

1285
00:56:03,400 --> 00:56:06,119
and it looks like mgam missing you or missing gay

1286
00:56:06,880 --> 00:56:09,400
Let's see he fights in April against Jannebec and then

1287
00:56:09,400 --> 00:56:12,159
you gotta spell jannebeca lim Canouley while you're at at Rayfield. Oh,

1288
00:56:12,159 --> 00:56:15,440
it's no easy task for these two guys. And again

1289
00:56:15,480 --> 00:56:17,679
he's got two of the middleway titles. And again on

1290
00:56:17,719 --> 00:56:22,039
the February twenty second read card, that's Carlos Adamis and

1291
00:56:22,119 --> 00:56:24,199
Shiraz call me crazy.

1292
00:56:24,639 --> 00:56:25,679
Speaker 1: Winner of that fight.

1293
00:56:26,079 --> 00:56:28,599
Speaker 2: Against a winner of a janebec fight might be appealing

1294
00:56:28,639 --> 00:56:29,239
for later.

1295
00:56:29,039 --> 00:56:31,960
Speaker 1: In twenty twenty twenty five. Can we have good things?

1296
00:56:32,360 --> 00:56:34,360
Speaker 2: I don't know if we can have good things, Stay

1297
00:56:34,440 --> 00:56:36,960
tuned for that later on down the road. Shall we

1298
00:56:37,000 --> 00:56:40,280
get to nostalgia before we are gone? Rayfield's been amped

1299
00:56:40,280 --> 00:56:41,840
to talk about this fight. I'm gonna put you in

1300
00:56:41,880 --> 00:56:45,039
a good mood when we talk. February fifth, two thousand

1301
00:56:45,079 --> 00:56:47,960
and five. This was twenty years ago Wednesday. I remember

1302
00:56:48,039 --> 00:56:54,159
this Zab Judah Cory Spinks and a rematch in Saint

1303
00:56:54,199 --> 00:56:58,039
Louis in a rocking, sold out downtown arena where the

1304
00:56:58,079 --> 00:57:02,280
Saint Louis Blues play hockey. Zab Judah became the undisputed

1305
00:57:02,280 --> 00:57:06,000
welterweight king twenty years ago. Earlier this week, on February

1306
00:57:06,039 --> 00:57:08,360
the fifth of two thousand and five. Tell me more

1307
00:57:09,079 --> 00:57:11,320
about this Judah win and what you remember?

1308
00:57:11,840 --> 00:57:13,599
Speaker 3: Just a big fun fight, and I was before we

1309
00:57:13,599 --> 00:57:15,159
started taping it. You asked me if I was at

1310
00:57:15,159 --> 00:57:17,519
the fight, and I wasn't, And I couldn't really remember

1311
00:57:17,559 --> 00:57:19,840
why I wasn't. As I mentioned, I was at their

1312
00:57:19,880 --> 00:57:21,679
first fight. So if you back up before we get

1313
00:57:21,679 --> 00:57:25,840
to this fightwork, that's the anniversary, zab Judah had defeated

1314
00:57:26,199 --> 00:57:29,719
Ricardo Majorga to unify the three titles back when it

1315
00:57:29,760 --> 00:57:32,119
was three titles to be the undisputed champion. That's in

1316
00:57:32,119 --> 00:57:34,199
two thousand and three. End of two thousand and three.

1317
00:57:34,239 --> 00:57:36,760
That was that mega don king cart in Atlantic City

1318
00:57:36,760 --> 00:57:38,480
that had the record eight world title fights on the

1319
00:57:38,480 --> 00:57:41,760
same show. And then after Corey Spinks won that and

1320
00:57:41,760 --> 00:57:44,400
became the undisputed champion, in his first defense of the

1321
00:57:44,440 --> 00:57:47,880
undisputed title, he fought zab Judah at the Mandalay Bay.

1322
00:57:47,960 --> 00:57:49,599
That fight the first one I was at that was

1323
00:57:49,639 --> 00:57:51,920
on the same cart that had the big upset when

1324
00:57:52,039 --> 00:57:55,920
Leiman Brewster defeated Vladimir Klitschko and won the vacant WBO

1325
00:57:56,000 --> 00:57:58,760
heavyweight title. So that was in April of two thousand

1326
00:57:58,760 --> 00:58:02,079
and four, and zab Judah defeated Cory Spinks and I mean,

1327
00:58:02,079 --> 00:58:04,599
I'm sorry. Cory Spinks defeated zab Judah by a unanimous

1328
00:58:04,639 --> 00:58:08,119
decision and retained the title. He then defended the title

1329
00:58:08,119 --> 00:58:10,360
and then they met in a rematch that took place

1330
00:58:10,360 --> 00:58:12,880
in Corey Spinks's hometown of Saint Louis, where he had

1331
00:58:12,880 --> 00:58:15,559
become you know, a big name obviously comes from the

1332
00:58:15,599 --> 00:58:18,000
Spinx family. His uncle is the Hall of Famer Michael Spink's,

1333
00:58:18,039 --> 00:58:21,960
former light heavyweight and heavyweight champion. His father is Leon Spinks,

1334
00:58:21,960 --> 00:58:25,119
the former heavyweight champ who beat Muhammad Ali and Zab

1335
00:58:25,199 --> 00:58:27,840
obviously was going to try to get the revenge and

1336
00:58:27,960 --> 00:58:30,639
it turned out to be like a big, big deal

1337
00:58:30,719 --> 00:58:32,840
over there. They sold out to Sabage Center. I've covered

1338
00:58:32,840 --> 00:58:34,880
a fight there and that's a pretty big building. I

1339
00:58:34,960 --> 00:58:38,199
covered at Devin Alexander fight there years ago, So now

1340
00:58:38,239 --> 00:58:39,559
all the belts are up, and I mean, I think

1341
00:58:39,599 --> 00:58:41,559
what people remember this was like a showtime fight. They

1342
00:58:41,639 --> 00:58:44,360
got a lot of hype at the time, and Cory

1343
00:58:44,400 --> 00:58:47,280
Spinks came to the ring. We've seen a million fighters

1344
00:58:47,320 --> 00:58:50,039
come to the ring with their own rappers, but Corey's

1345
00:58:50,079 --> 00:58:52,119
ring walk that night was even more over the top

1346
00:58:52,360 --> 00:58:54,559
with the rapper than a lot of the ones that

1347
00:58:54,599 --> 00:58:58,119
we see. And Judah was there, calm, poised, and you know,

1348
00:58:58,199 --> 00:59:00,320
and Zab was a guy who would you know, he'd

1349
00:59:00,360 --> 00:59:02,360
won some fights, but he disappointed in some fights. It

1350
00:59:02,480 --> 00:59:04,760
was very inconsistent. He never really kind of knew which

1351
00:59:04,840 --> 00:59:05,679
Zab Judah was going.

1352
00:59:05,679 --> 00:59:06,199
Speaker 1: To show up.

1353
00:59:06,400 --> 00:59:08,840
Speaker 3: But on this night, the the Zab Judah that a

1354
00:59:08,840 --> 00:59:11,519
lot of people knew was really outstanding. That Zab Judah

1355
00:59:11,519 --> 00:59:15,360
showed up and he took it to Sphinx. You know,

1356
00:59:15,400 --> 00:59:17,280
Spinx tried, you know, Sphinx was not a big puncher,

1357
00:59:17,320 --> 00:59:21,159
tried to box him. And in the end, Uh Judah

1358
00:59:21,199 --> 00:59:24,000
knocked him down in the ninth round and and ultimately

1359
00:59:24,039 --> 00:59:26,440
stopped him and became the undisputed champion. And if you

1360
00:59:26,440 --> 00:59:28,360
take a look at Zab's record, this has to stand

1361
00:59:28,360 --> 00:59:31,159
out as probably his biggest win. When he became the

1362
00:59:31,239 --> 00:59:33,199
undisputed champion. He stopped in the ninth round, and it

1363
00:59:33,280 --> 00:59:35,639
was a huge upset because he was in the other

1364
00:59:35,679 --> 00:59:38,400
guy's hometown. He had already lost to him in their

1365
00:59:38,400 --> 00:59:40,400
first fight back, you know, uh, you know, about a

1366
00:59:40,440 --> 00:59:42,920
year or so before that. And it was it was

1367
00:59:43,239 --> 00:59:48,360
a great event. I mean it was it was American boxing,

1368
00:59:48,440 --> 00:59:52,119
two top Americans, not pay per view, but a big crowd.

1369
00:59:52,519 --> 00:59:55,039
You know, my recollection did a good number on showtime

1370
00:59:55,519 --> 00:59:57,880
and uh and and that was a huge win for

1371
00:59:58,000 --> 01:00:01,000
Zab who's still to this day people that when I

1372
01:00:01,079 --> 01:00:03,320
posted like a picture of my poster from that fight,

1373
01:00:03,559 --> 01:00:06,280
people who were responding on my social media kept talking

1374
01:00:06,280 --> 01:00:08,320
about like what a big win that was, and they

1375
01:00:08,360 --> 01:00:11,480
talked about the crazy rapper and then Corey Spinks's dance

1376
01:00:11,480 --> 01:00:13,639
coming into the ring, you know, and the old what's

1377
01:00:13,639 --> 01:00:15,079
the old saying? I don't know who said this, like

1378
01:00:15,119 --> 01:00:16,599
if you're gonna come in with a rapper like that,

1379
01:00:16,639 --> 01:00:18,360
you better take care of business exactly.

1380
01:00:18,519 --> 01:00:20,639
Speaker 2: He did not do that or else, You're only known

1381
01:00:20,719 --> 01:00:23,960
for the ring entrance and then getting out splatted.

1382
01:00:24,320 --> 01:00:28,760
Speaker 3: Unfortunately, after he defeated Corey spinkson and won that fight,

1383
01:00:29,079 --> 01:00:30,800
you know, he did go on. He made one defense

1384
01:00:30,840 --> 01:00:33,880
of the undisputed title. Then he had that horrendous upset

1385
01:00:33,920 --> 01:00:39,239
loss to Carlos Valdimir but was able to retain one

1386
01:00:39,280 --> 01:00:42,199
of the adults due to nonsense technicalities or shall I say,

1387
01:00:42,360 --> 01:00:45,159
because the IBF does IBF things. And then he went

1388
01:00:45,159 --> 01:00:47,519
out and fought Floyd Mayweather and got obviously wiped out

1389
01:00:47,519 --> 01:00:49,800
by Floyd, and you know, it was kind of downhill

1390
01:00:49,800 --> 01:00:50,159
from there.

1391
01:00:50,199 --> 01:00:52,599
Speaker 2: And the Floyd fight is the wild fight with Roger

1392
01:00:52,679 --> 01:00:54,519
Mayweather in the ring and the whole bit that you've

1393
01:00:54,559 --> 01:00:57,360
shared that before too, But this was the night.

1394
01:00:57,519 --> 01:00:59,920
Speaker 3: This was the night against Corey Spinks in the rematch

1395
01:01:00,199 --> 01:01:03,760
where zab Judah so much talent, really put it all

1396
01:01:03,760 --> 01:01:06,880
together and won a really big fight and became the

1397
01:01:06,920 --> 01:01:08,039
undisputed champ of the world.

1398
01:01:08,559 --> 01:01:12,599
Speaker 2: So there you go, twenty years ago on February the fifth,

1399
01:01:12,639 --> 01:01:15,639
and by the way, Oscar dal La Hooya, Oh, I

1400
01:01:15,679 --> 01:01:18,400
do not want to accept. We're both now man in

1401
01:01:18,440 --> 01:01:21,760
our mid fifties. Oscar dal La Hoya is fifty two

1402
01:01:22,039 --> 01:01:26,559
as of Tuesday, February fourth. Happy birthday, Oscar dal La Hoya.

1403
01:01:27,920 --> 01:01:29,880
Did you send him a birthday card? I'm just checking.

1404
01:01:30,280 --> 01:01:32,880
Speaker 3: I send him a Actually this is this is this

1405
01:01:32,960 --> 01:01:35,239
is kind of funny. I did send him a text

1406
01:01:35,280 --> 01:01:39,280
message happy birthday. And literally, as we're recording this podcast.

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01:01:39,320 --> 01:01:41,639
You don't know this, but I have my phone on silence. Huh,

1408
01:01:41,800 --> 01:01:44,239
doesn't get you know the buzzers. I got a text

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01:01:44,280 --> 01:01:46,639
message back from Oscar thanking me for the for the

1410
01:01:46,679 --> 01:01:49,320
happy birthday wish is while we were recording this podcast,

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01:01:49,519 --> 01:01:53,519
coincidentally having planned to speak about Oscar's birthday and our

1412
01:01:53,599 --> 01:01:56,039
last segment here. So yeah, listen, Oscar is fifty two.

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01:01:56,079 --> 01:01:59,239
And I think there's a whole I guess a generation

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01:01:59,320 --> 01:02:02,239
of fans now that don't know Oscar as the act

1415
01:02:02,239 --> 01:02:05,719
of popular Superstar Champion, know him as the promoter from

1416
01:02:05,719 --> 01:02:07,840
Golden Boy and then clapp back Thursday and some of

1417
01:02:07,880 --> 01:02:10,159
the crazy shit that he does on social media. And

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01:02:10,480 --> 01:02:12,440
you know, you can love Oscar eight Oscar whatever, But

1419
01:02:12,480 --> 01:02:14,119
when Oscar was doing this thing as a as A,

1420
01:02:14,119 --> 01:02:17,639
as a primetime fighter, couple things, he was the face

1421
01:02:17,679 --> 01:02:21,360
of boxing undisputed worldwide. B he made the biggest events

1422
01:02:21,360 --> 01:02:24,079
and drew in the biggest money. You knew that if

1423
01:02:25,119 --> 01:02:27,159
when the boxing calendar year started, you were gonna have

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01:02:27,159 --> 01:02:29,800
at least two humongous events because Oscar was gonna fight

1425
01:02:29,800 --> 01:02:31,880
typically May in September on the Mexican holidays.

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01:02:32,039 --> 01:02:35,400
Speaker 2: By the way, we shared last month that what was

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01:02:35,440 --> 01:02:38,039
that year again, was it ninety six that he fought

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01:02:38,280 --> 01:02:42,039
five times? Five times? In ninety six? I think they

1429
01:02:42,079 --> 01:02:44,440
heard Whittaker and Camacho. Maybe it was a ninety six.

1430
01:02:44,440 --> 01:02:46,400
It was ninety eight. It was a year in which

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01:02:46,440 --> 01:02:50,239
he fought five times and Pernell Whittaker and Hector Camacho

1432
01:02:50,559 --> 01:02:52,320
were two actually five opponents.

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01:02:52,639 --> 01:02:55,639
Speaker 3: It was actually nineteen ninety seven. Please ninety seven.

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01:02:55,679 --> 01:02:56,360
Speaker 1: I was way off.

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01:02:56,360 --> 01:02:59,880
Speaker 2: But we just talked about that, about how popular and

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01:03:00,159 --> 01:03:03,159
prominent this guy was, and he understood how to keep

1437
01:03:03,159 --> 01:03:05,320
your name out there, ring the bell, the.

1438
01:03:06,880 --> 01:03:07,079
Speaker 1: Yeah.

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01:03:07,159 --> 01:03:10,679
Speaker 3: It is different than a lot of fighters today. There

1440
01:03:10,760 --> 01:03:15,840
was never the discussion about not fighting a certain guy,

1441
01:03:14,599 --> 01:03:20,280
right with the one exception of maybe Winky Wright, which

1442
01:03:20,320 --> 01:03:23,039
could have been for the undisputed And there was not

1443
01:03:23,079 --> 01:03:24,800
like a I mean, I wrote about it. I wanted

1444
01:03:24,800 --> 01:03:26,039
to see the fight, but I'm a little more of

1445
01:03:26,039 --> 01:03:28,480
a purist. But there wasn't like a huge public demand

1446
01:03:28,519 --> 01:03:30,559
for the fight. But if there was a public demand

1447
01:03:30,639 --> 01:03:34,159
for a fight, Oscar de la Hoya literally fought everybody

1448
01:03:34,199 --> 01:03:37,480
he could possibly have fought that mattered during his heyday.

1449
01:03:37,599 --> 01:03:40,679
Speaker 2: Give him the list, the list, if you go, an

1450
01:03:40,760 --> 01:03:43,159
staggering list, if.

1451
01:03:43,000 --> 01:03:44,559
Speaker 3: You go in order, and you know at one hundred

1452
01:03:44,559 --> 01:03:46,639
and thirty pounds, you know, he won the WBO belt,

1453
01:03:46,639 --> 01:03:48,960
which even then was not really considered much, and he

1454
01:03:49,000 --> 01:03:51,199
fought like nobody in particular. But once he got up

1455
01:03:51,199 --> 01:03:55,480
to lightweight, he fought John John Molina, he fought Rafael Rouelles,

1456
01:03:55,599 --> 01:03:59,480
Genera Hernandez, he just fought Jesse James Lea. Then he

1457
01:03:59,519 --> 01:04:01,800
had the big mega fight with Julio Sesar chavs At

1458
01:04:01,840 --> 01:04:04,800
won forty first defense. Miguel Angel Gonzos was forty one

1459
01:04:04,840 --> 01:04:07,079
and oh, one of the top Mexicans. Then Colonel Whitaker

1460
01:04:07,079 --> 01:04:09,480
for the welterweight title. Then you know this is not

1461
01:04:09,719 --> 01:04:11,639
this are not every fight. But he fought Hector Camacho,

1462
01:04:11,639 --> 01:04:13,920
a huge name. He had the rematch with Chavis, who

1463
01:04:13,920 --> 01:04:18,239
he stopped again I quarte megafight Oba Car not pay

1464
01:04:18,280 --> 01:04:20,559
per view, probably the best welterweight of that year that

1465
01:04:20,599 --> 01:04:22,519
never won a world title. Then he had the mega

1466
01:04:22,519 --> 01:04:24,719
fight with Felix Trinett where he got robbed. Then he

1467
01:04:24,800 --> 01:04:28,559
went and he fought two fightslighter, deprime, undefeated sugar Shane Moley.

1468
01:04:28,719 --> 01:04:29,440
Then he came back.

1469
01:04:29,639 --> 01:04:32,760
Speaker 1: You could stop right there. I'm not done going.

1470
01:04:32,840 --> 01:04:34,719
Speaker 3: And even though it wasn't like a big fight from

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01:04:34,760 --> 01:04:36,480
the standpoint where people thought it was going to be

1472
01:04:37,079 --> 01:04:39,519
possible loss for Oscar, he still fought the huge name

1473
01:04:39,599 --> 01:04:42,920
Arturo Gaddy, which was a fun, exciting, one sided fight.

1474
01:04:43,320 --> 01:04:45,119
He then won and fought at one hundred and fifty

1475
01:04:45,119 --> 01:04:48,199
four pounds against an excellent fighter named Heavier Castello and

1476
01:04:48,199 --> 01:04:50,800
won the WBC and the lineal title. Then the big

1477
01:04:50,840 --> 01:04:53,519
mega fight against Fernando Vargas. We stopped in the twelfth round.

1478
01:04:53,719 --> 01:04:55,880
That was a huge fight. He lost the rematch of

1479
01:04:55,880 --> 01:04:58,960
Shane Mosey in a fight that myself and many many, many,

1480
01:04:58,960 --> 01:05:01,320
many many people at rings I thought he clearly won

1481
01:05:01,360 --> 01:05:04,320
the rematch. He then fought at middleweight against Felix Stern.

1482
01:05:04,599 --> 01:05:06,159
That was a questionable call. He got the win. I

1483
01:05:06,199 --> 01:05:08,599
thought he lost. He had the balls to fucking fight

1484
01:05:08,639 --> 01:05:11,840
Bernard Hopkins, who stopped him in a big fight. He

1485
01:05:11,880 --> 01:05:14,920
then fought Ricardo Majorga coming back and won yet another

1486
01:05:14,920 --> 01:05:17,400
world title, dropping back down to one fifty four. Then

1487
01:05:17,440 --> 01:05:19,360
he had the biggest fight in boxing history at the

1488
01:05:19,360 --> 01:05:23,039
time in terms of the money, massive, massive, massive megafight

1489
01:05:23,320 --> 01:05:26,360
with Floyd Mayweather. Junior had one fight after that against

1490
01:05:26,360 --> 01:05:28,880
Steve Forbes who that was the get Well fight where

1491
01:05:28,880 --> 01:05:30,639
he didn't really look particularly good, and then he got

1492
01:05:30,679 --> 01:05:34,039
absolutely destroyed by Manny Pacyao in an upset and he retired.

1493
01:05:34,280 --> 01:05:36,480
But I just named you fucking like twenty guys who

1494
01:05:36,480 --> 01:05:38,800
were all top level champions, and he won most of

1495
01:05:38,800 --> 01:05:41,559
those fights. So Oscar deale Hoya, when I remember, I remember,

1496
01:05:41,559 --> 01:05:45,039
and I've interviewed Oscar to accountless times. I'm known Oscar

1497
01:05:45,079 --> 01:05:48,400
for my entire career, but I remember specifically when I

1498
01:05:48,480 --> 01:05:51,639
was interviewing at some point when he retired to sort

1499
01:05:51,639 --> 01:05:54,039
of disgust me, like how he wanted to be remembered,

1500
01:05:54,320 --> 01:05:56,400
and his thing that he thought about wasn't about winning

1501
01:05:56,400 --> 01:05:58,159
the gold medal, which was important to him and he

1502
01:05:58,199 --> 01:06:00,559
still says was his greatest accompas win in that Olympic

1503
01:06:00,559 --> 01:06:03,239
gold in the nineteen ninety two Olympic Games. But it

1504
01:06:03,280 --> 01:06:05,320
wasn't the gold, it wasn't all the titles, it wasn't

1505
01:06:05,320 --> 01:06:07,800
all the money. He wanted the fans to remember that

1506
01:06:07,880 --> 01:06:11,039
I Oscar Deloya fought everybody. I didn't pick and choose.

1507
01:06:11,079 --> 01:06:12,840
And I've told this story before. I've heard this not

1508
01:06:12,840 --> 01:06:14,719
from Oscar, but I've heard this from the people at

1509
01:06:14,760 --> 01:06:16,960
Top Rank. Top Rank was this promoter for most of

1510
01:06:17,000 --> 01:06:19,199
his career. And they would gather together and they would

1511
01:06:19,199 --> 01:06:21,000
discuss what's the game plan for Oscar. And they would

1512
01:06:21,000 --> 01:06:22,960
sit in the boardroom and it be Bob Aaron and

1513
01:06:23,000 --> 01:06:25,639
his lieutenants and their matchmaker, Bruce Trampler, and Oscar and

1514
01:06:25,679 --> 01:06:28,679
Oscar's team, and they would go over the possibilities and

1515
01:06:28,880 --> 01:06:30,760
you know what they thought and how much money they

1516
01:06:30,760 --> 01:06:32,199
thought or how much paper you it could do, or

1517
01:06:32,239 --> 01:06:34,079
what HBO would pay or this or that or the other,

1518
01:06:34,719 --> 01:06:37,880
and it was explained to me Oscar would basically say

1519
01:06:38,400 --> 01:06:40,639
which one's going to pay me the most money, and

1520
01:06:40,679 --> 01:06:43,199
he would take the fight. And then was I mean,

1521
01:06:43,519 --> 01:06:45,679
maybe I'm simplifying it too much. I can't sit here

1522
01:06:45,679 --> 01:06:48,320
and say there was never like an argument about making

1523
01:06:48,320 --> 01:06:50,920
it the deal. But by and large, Oscar took the

1524
01:06:50,920 --> 01:06:51,440
biggest fight.

1525
01:06:51,480 --> 01:06:53,840
Speaker 2: But it's also not like he didn't get around to

1526
01:06:53,840 --> 01:06:55,880
fighting whomever else was put on the table, that he

1527
01:06:55,920 --> 01:06:56,559
didn't choose that.

1528
01:06:56,719 --> 01:06:58,519
Speaker 1: Here's the other thing, just chose him later.

1529
01:06:59,239 --> 01:07:01,440
Speaker 3: This is the other very critical thing about why Oscar

1530
01:07:01,480 --> 01:07:03,920
should be respected more than he is. A lot of

1531
01:07:03,960 --> 01:07:06,239
guys have fought great names, but they pick and choose

1532
01:07:06,280 --> 01:07:07,920
at the time when they fight them, so it's convenient

1533
01:07:07,960 --> 01:07:09,880
for them. When Oscar fought a lot of these guys,

1534
01:07:09,920 --> 01:07:12,320
he fought them at their best. He thought Floyd and

1535
01:07:12,400 --> 01:07:14,400
Nanny when they were on the upswing at their best.

1536
01:07:14,679 --> 01:07:17,039
He fought Bernard Hopkins when he was the dominating middleweight

1537
01:07:17,039 --> 01:07:20,320
world champion undefeated, I mean undisputed. Rather, he fought Shane

1538
01:07:20,360 --> 01:07:22,599
Mosey when he was on a rising up the town

1539
01:07:22,639 --> 01:07:26,199
for poundless as a undefeated fighter. He fought Fernando Vargas. Yeah,

1540
01:07:26,199 --> 01:07:28,000
he had had to loss to Trinidad, but he had

1541
01:07:28,000 --> 01:07:29,400
a world title and it was a fight that ever

1542
01:07:29,440 --> 01:07:31,239
he wanted. He was still a lot younger, and that

1543
01:07:31,280 --> 01:07:32,920
was a very dangerous fight. He was taking on the

1544
01:07:32,960 --> 01:07:35,519
biggest opponent of his career. I mean, you go on

1545
01:07:35,559 --> 01:07:37,400
and on and on, even even guys like you know,

1546
01:07:37,400 --> 01:07:39,719
Felix Trinidad was undefeated. That was the big mega fight.

1547
01:07:39,960 --> 01:07:41,679
That was a hugely dangerous fight. That was That was

1548
01:07:41,760 --> 01:07:44,960
Tito Trinidad in his dead prime. Ike Corte was undefeated,

1549
01:07:45,039 --> 01:07:47,360
he was in his prime. Juliosaes Er Chavas may not

1550
01:07:47,400 --> 01:07:49,000
have been in his prime, but he was still the champion.

1551
01:07:49,320 --> 01:07:51,320
I mean, he was still beating everybody. He was still

1552
01:07:51,440 --> 01:07:53,719
he only had one loss at that point against Frankie Randall,

1553
01:07:54,039 --> 01:07:57,119
I mean in the big upset. So Prenell Whitaker had

1554
01:07:57,159 --> 01:08:00,800
one loss, which was a robbery and the draw against Travis.

1555
01:08:00,840 --> 01:08:03,079
So he was fighting these guys when they were champion,

1556
01:08:03,119 --> 01:08:05,920
when they were at their best. And to say otherwise

1557
01:08:05,920 --> 01:08:09,119
about Oscars being disingenuous, he fought everybody, and he fought

1558
01:08:09,159 --> 01:08:10,159
them when it mattered.

1559
01:08:11,559 --> 01:08:14,400
Speaker 2: And now he is a big force, especially in the

1560
01:08:14,400 --> 01:08:19,079
Western United States in promoting the sport and happy birthday

1561
01:08:19,159 --> 01:08:21,079
Oscar de la Hoya. All right, we have been here

1562
01:08:21,159 --> 01:08:24,079
a little bit. Great stuff again. We will be back

1563
01:08:24,119 --> 01:08:26,960
on the bet Us Boxing Show Friday, one Eastern time,

1564
01:08:27,000 --> 01:08:29,720
second reference to it one Eastern on their platforms to

1565
01:08:29,800 --> 01:08:32,920
talk to Sora and Otto Volein and the heavyweight main

1566
01:08:32,960 --> 01:08:36,359
event in England and handicap that fight, and then we'll

1567
01:08:36,359 --> 01:08:39,319
take your questions, et cetera live on that show. Good

1568
01:08:39,399 --> 01:08:42,960
stuff with Keishawn Davis again his world title challenges next

1569
01:08:42,960 --> 01:08:45,680
week in Norfolk, Virginia. But you got it already this

1570
01:08:45,720 --> 01:08:49,159
week from Keishawn himself right here on the pod. My friend,

1571
01:08:49,239 --> 01:08:51,119
hang in there with all that you have going on.

1572
01:08:51,159 --> 01:08:53,079
I know this is therapeutic for you. I enjoy it,

1573
01:08:53,159 --> 01:08:55,000
especially when you get rerapped up about the WBA and

1574
01:08:55,000 --> 01:08:57,840
whatever else. At least you weren't swatting me here on

1575
01:08:57,880 --> 01:09:02,279
the program. Yeah, of course there is. Whatever happens, we'll

1576
01:09:02,279 --> 01:09:05,560
have a fight Freaks Unite recap off the weekend, Big Dan,

1577
01:09:05,600 --> 01:09:07,119
I'll talk to you on the bet US Show. Thank

1578
01:09:07,119 --> 01:09:07,840
you for the time.

1579
01:09:07,680 --> 01:09:08,319
Speaker 1: Here as always.

1580
01:09:08,439 --> 01:09:09,000
Speaker 3: That sounds good.

1581
01:09:09,199 --> 01:09:12,479
Speaker 2: J There is Dan ray Phield, follow him not only

1582
01:09:12,520 --> 01:09:15,279
on social media, but the Fight Preaks Unite, Substack, Subscribe

1583
01:09:15,319 --> 01:09:17,279
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1584
01:09:17,319 --> 01:09:21,520
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1585
01:09:21,600 --> 01:09:24,840
We're done for now on the Big Fight Weekend Preview pod.

1586
01:09:24,920 --> 01:09:26,039
Speaker 1: Bye,