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In tonight's adventure, we'll be talking about something near and
dear to the subjects of UFOs, but from a different
perspective that you men never have heard before. But before that,
let's thank our helmsman Bill and Jackson navigating the many
callers that we get. And all that we ask, folks,
is that when you call in, if you just simply
try your best to stay on subject matter because of
the great number of calls that we get. For centuries,
mankind has been witnessed to strange and mystical sightings of
what is now known as UFOs and UAPs. For while
over eighty years, more recent documented reports of this aerial
phenomenon continue, but to this date, in this humble host opinion,
no single credible piece of evidence has been shown, Yet
we want to be positive, well, have we missed a
key ingredient in this puzzle? We now explore a Christian
view from answers what does the Bible tell us about
u fos, UAPs and the connection between God and this
whole subject. In just a moment, we'll give you a
full bio of our special guest, Derek Warfew, the author
of a brand new book that talks about this subject
in great entirety. U fos and God, UFOs and God
revealing deception and the truth behind the supernatural, the invisible
war Very interesting subjects, But we throw out a question
to our audience in the kindness of a handshake, and
the question to start our conversation with our guests would
be this, does the Bible offer some simple explanation or
a complicated explanation of UFOs and UAPs? With that in mind,
let's hear more. We need to talk. I have waited
most of my life or the government to come out
and say they're real. They finally have said that. I
was informed in the course of my official duties of
a multi decade UAP crash retrieval and reverse engineering.
Speaker 4: Program, probably the moment I realized they were real, they
would be in two thousand and four, and we end
up spending a week tracking unknown aircraft and I got
to say a live action video of an actual UAP.
And from then on, my AHA moment is when you're
standing in a seventy foot.
Speaker 5: Area that's been baked two feet into the ground.
Speaker 6: And the ships came that night and I start freaking
out and it was so massive, it.
Speaker 7: Was so who are you?
Speaker 4: What is this affected my relationship with God?
Speaker 8: Who I thought I was, my identity, what I believe,
but it really shouldn't.
Speaker 9: Old ted you must be a UFO believer, and I
say no, I believe in God.
Speaker 3: I study UFOs.
Speaker 10: What ultimately could be the agenda behind the alien UFO phenomenon,
It could be very, very evil.
Speaker 7: Don't think about the thirteen billion light years. If we're
talking dimensions beyond the universe, they could be this close
to us. Whatever the claims that are made by any
personality regarding God or Jesus or spiritual things, I want
to know the reasons. Maybe these interdimensional beings have an agenda.
They're on a mission, and I argue that it's a
deceptive mission.
Speaker 11: We need to talk about this now.
Speaker 5: Christians are starving for people to talk about this.
Speaker 11: And to talk about honestly.
Speaker 12: Time is of as I want to.
Speaker 3: Talk about it. Let's go to Sunday School and talk
about this topic. Derrek Warvell is an award winning filmmaker
whose new book UFOs and God, Revealing Deception and the
Truth behind the Supernatural and the Invisible War, offers a
serious Biblical response to the modern UFO narrative and its
growing impact on the church. He holds a bachelor's degree
in psychology from Princeton University, a master's of theology from
Dallas Theological Seminary where he studied under doctor Charles Ryrie
and John Walboot, and a master's degree in cinema from
the University of Southern California. He's the owner and producer
of Winter Star Productions. Derek is the executive producer of
the Companion doctormentary film UFOs and God, set to release
later this month in August, and is developing a six
week Bible study guide for small groups. It resides in Florida,
and it's a privilege and honor to have you, Derek.
As we continue to move through time and space, how
are you, sir, and thank you for spending time with us.
Speaker 6: Well, thank you for having me on the show. Can
you hear me? Okay?
Speaker 3: I sure can, and sometimes we'll hear clicking noises, but
I always blame them on solar flares. But let's hope
we don't have any outbursts of solar flares. So far.
You're sounding five by five and if it wasn't for
our great helmsman, I'm sure we probably wouldn't be hearing this.
Speaker 6: So yeah, Well, as they say, east of the Rockies
here in Florida, so ready to.
Speaker 3: Go, You're way east of the Rockies. You know, many people,
as I opened up with the whole show here as
we always do, bringing on the greatest guests and people,
tell us my email just d Rsky at WABC radio
dot com. Any comments and questions that you might have
throughout this two hour exchange. I'm more than happy to
get back to you. But here's the way I like
to begin this interview with you. This is such a
deep subject and what I'm so privileging on it to
be as the host of the show sitting behind this microphone,
is to be able to express to people a different
view You don't have to necessarily agree with everything as
we talk about, you know, not only you don't have
to worry with the host, you don't have to agry
with the guests. But in the positivity side of this, Derek,
here's the simple question, why do UFOs matter to the
Christian Church? You spend a lifetime doing this, Please tell
us more about this.
Speaker 6: Yeah, well, I would say they matter for this reason.
It's becoming a growing phenomenon that is becoming harder and
harder to deny. You know, I think in the book
I give maybe thirty or forty different examples that you know,
from credible eyewitnesses, from credible events, and just to ignore it,
you have a problem. So, as a Christian, I ran
across this problem. I said, well, I don't know if
I have a category for this, how do I how
does this spit into my understanding of the Bible? And
I started doing some research and I ran across this
book called The Truth about UFOs by John Weldon and
John Ackerberg, and is like the lights went on. Of
course that's the answer right there. As Christians, we know
that there's a whole supernatural realm that's existed alongside of
us throughout all of history, and the only type of
beings that the Bible and God has told us about
that could do some of the things that we're seeing
are basically these supernatural beings. And every culture throughout all
of history has, every culture, every religion has admitted that
we share this universe with supernatural beings. And it's only
in the twentieth century that basically science became a little
bit too uppity to decide that, well, that's all superstition.
We don't believe that anymore. But anybody who's been knows
there's all sorts of evidence of supernatural beings that have
inhabited our lives. You know, the simplest ones are like
ghosts and polderdeice. But you go back throughout all of history,
and you know ancient Near Eastern god, Ancient Egyptian gods,
the Arabic, Gin, Greek and Roman gods. Now they probably
never presented themselves the way that mythology has come down
to us. But something started it off. I mean, you know,
the Greeks and Omans weren't stupid that there's something, something
that was credible that yeah, that got them thinking about
these things.
Speaker 3: No, it's an amazing story and the relevance of this
couldn't be at a more perfect time because and again
my rant is not as important as what your information
to the audience. And that's why we go ahead and
open the phone lines. We call it a theater of
the mind because obviously we're not watching this in a
video format, which to me gives us more of the imagination.
And that theater of the mind number for the Doctor
Sky Experience four to eight nine two two. If you'd
like to join, and I hope you will, ladies and gentlemen.
Derek Warfel, author and filmmaker. This gentleman has a lot
of experience with a different twist. And not to sound
like I'm kissing up here, Derek, this is interesting to
me because in my opinion, and I don't like throwing
too many opinions, I like the guests to give us
more the information. But here it is to cut to
the chase. In my humbled opinion, legacy and mainstream media
is just on this hot torch bed. You know, it's
like hot coals. Everybody's now looking at this thing is Wow.
There's an alien invasion maybe imminent. But the government, in
many people's estimation, what is nolling out this information and
little bits and dribbles and dribbles of information, some of
which is good. But I want to take a different
perspective on this, and to some it may be a
little bit challenging. So why is this so relevant? Tell
us this is so important?
Speaker 6: Yeah, well, it's relevant, I mean at least for Christians,
because how can I say the messaging that's coming from
encounters with these beings is completely opposite Christianity. I mean,
it's not like it's just sort of like it, it's
completely opposite. They tell us, they tell the people that
have had contact with them that in fact, God did
not create this universe. They essentially were the creators of
us here on planet Earth. They visited Earth and there
is a very primitive life forms and they see the
DNA here and so we're there children, not God's children.
I mean, that's the message that they're giving out. And basically,
obviously that's completely opposite Christianity. And they deny that there's
a personal God. They believe there's a God force, but
not a personal God. Well, that undermines all of Christian
theology because Christian theology says there is a personal God.
We have offended him severely and because of that, there's
a judgment day. Well, if there's no personal God, we
haven't done anything. There's no judgment day. There's no need
for a savior like Jesus Christ. And to them, Jesus
Christ is just an ascended guru and the answer to
life is reincarnation. Well, needless to say that that's almost
like Hinduism or at New Age theology, and that that
you can see is completely opposite. So either they're right
or we're right. And so yeah, that's why it's important.
And I believe there's more and more people well meeting
people who are saying, well, maybe we need to listen
to these beings because look at the crafts that they
fly in.
Speaker 3: Well, I know this is very controversial to someone we're
not here. Let me say this. I'm not here to
convince anybody out there that yours is the only path
to this subject matter. But on the same line, I'm
a Christian and I believe very strongly that without my knowledge,
my lack of knowledge in the depth of what you
will bring to the table, I think offers some very
good insight. And to continue on this, what do space
aliens and their followers. Teach mentioned a few of them.
There is no personal creator God, but an impersonal life
force ruling the universe, and the space aliens are the creators.
They designed DNA and seated it on the Earth to evolve.
Now those are some very controversial things, but he gets
into whole Darwinism gets into all these different very interesting subjects.
So in the time that we have with you and
the callers, you believe it or not, it looks like
we're lighting up the phone lines as we would expect
here with such a very interesting subject. Again, ladies and gentlemen,
taking a different approach to this. All we continue here
is about these alien spacecraft. Look, I've studied this. You know,
you and I have had conversations, right, Derek. Look, I've
met and had talks and conversations and actually been part
of doing some deep research the Betty and Barney Hill case.
Betty Hill, I knew how, and I want to sound redundant,
I knew how. I'd visit her in somers and look
at her experience that she had. Travis Walton, a good
friend here in Arizona. Stanton Friedman, doctor Stanton Friedman, a
great guy, sadly passed on. But it's so interesting that
we listened, So let me go right to it. Before
we even go to the callers, give us in your
humble opinion and your you know, factual information. What is
some of the best evidence that we can say from
the Bible that talks deeply about this connection between other
spiritual beings or whatever supernatural that they might be. What's
what's the best symbol of answer that you could give
this audience one of many.
Speaker 6: Well, the Bible does talk about supernatural beings. The Bible
calls them angels. They're also called sons of God or
watchers or you know whatever, and a stars sometimes. And
you know, you look at those beings and you see
how similar these beings that are coming in craft UFO
craft are like the angels described in the Bible. And
the Bible clearly talks about the fact that when God created,
before God created us, he created a whole realm of
su for natural beings to serve him, and he called
them angels. And they're very smart, very until it's very powerful,
and uh, you know, but at one point in time,
one third of them decided to rebel against their creator,
and they have been at war with God, with the
Holy Angels and with us ever since. And if you
look at this closely, you see that there's that type
of thing that happened throughout all of history, the ancient
Egyptian gods. You look at the ancient Egyptian gods that
fought against Moses and Yahweh or what we believe is
the Judeo Christian God, you know, and in fact, these
beings it's like literally if it you know, it's the
old saying, if it walks like a duck and it's
quacks like a duck, and it looks like a duck,
maybe it's a duck. And these beings match exactly what
a fallen angel would look like, These angels, the angelic beings.
And so I mean I spend two whole chapters one
chapter just looking at what the Holy Angels look like.
And then you look and you see these quote unquote
evil spirits are very much like the Holy Angels, except
as they try to do things that are not good,
and the Bible says they come to kill, steal, and destroy.
And I think with Sherlock Holmes or Arthur Colin donohas
said that once you eliminate the impossible, whatever remains however
improbable is likely the truth?
Speaker 3: Yeah, fascinating information here one eight four, eight, nine to two.
Speaker 6: Two.
Speaker 3: Let's continue with our conversation, try to get as many
of our callers in here with their great wisdom and
also their great commentary. Let's say good morning too online
one John in Minnesota. You're on with author and filmmaker
Derek Warfare formal.
Speaker 13: Thanks for taking the call. One of the very skeptical
about aliens coming to our planet, for the simple reason
that a few people talk about, is how the heck
did they get here? You notice when we when we
send astronauts into space to the moon and we return,
they are returned and returned in parachutes splashing into the ocean.
They somehow, if they are coming from another planet, which
tied doubt, they have the ability to fly directly through
the atmosphere and return. So is anybody talking about that?
How do they get here?
Speaker 3: Well, it's a very good point that you bring up, Derek.
Go ahead, you got the You got the floor on
this here, our guests.
Speaker 6: Yeah, no, I think you know the same. One of
the big criticisms that these are in fact coming from
another planet or another galaxy. I mean, I could I
could go through the scientific reasons why it's just flat
out impossible for beings like us carbon based life forms, uh,
you know, to travel here through interstellar space. But one
of the things that simply disproves that is that we
have scientists who are tracking thousands of millions of craft
out there that are flying, rocks, asteroids, everything, and no
one has ever been able to track one of these
coming from outer space into our atmosphere. I mean, they
will tell you. One of the people we mentioned in
the film, doctor Harzema, basically says, we've never been able
to track anything coming from outer space into our atmosphere. Well,
they obviously had to cross outer space to come into
our atmosphere, So how did they get here? They just
seem to appear. And I think the answer is, basically,
we're not dealing with interstellar objects. We're dealing with interdimensional objects.
And there's plenty of examples of that in the Bible.
You're right, how did they get here? I mean, if
I have a little longer segment, I can talk about
there's three reasons why they're not coming from another planet.
One is the Earth is too unique. The other is
the distances are too great. And thirdly, the possibility of
life coming about by random chance, which is what evolution demands.
It's just way too great. So they're not coming from
another galaxy or not coming from the data reticulous our
system or alpha centaury. We've never been able to track
anything coming into our atmosphere from outer space. And so.
Speaker 3: Yeah, no, it's interesting what you're saying, Derek. But I
want to give John, if you're still with us, you've
got to respond an opportunity to respond back any final
comment or a question that you have.
Speaker 13: I think that's absolutely right. I mean, these pilots and
people that have seen things, they're definitely.
Speaker 6: Hello.
Speaker 3: So go ahead. I think we lost him, John in Minnesota,
give it one more try. Did we lose you? Okay,
we lost him. But I think Derek he was onto
his belief is after you've responded that you're right.
Speaker 6: There is one other thing. I mean, there is a
period having in the book exact here there's some cosmonauts
at one point who saw some sort of being floitting
outside of the craft when they were circling the Earth,
and even our astronauts have mentioned that they saw objects
that looked that it was hard to define that they
were buzzing about as they were going through space, So
there is some sort of sightings, but they do not
seem to be traveling from the stars or from the
galaxies to our planet, which is weird because they would
have to do that to get here. And it's interesting
to me that even you followgists, people who are committed
to this philosophy, admit that maybe they have been here
all long, and there's a lot of theories about that
that in fact, that maybe this is their home base.
Speaker 3: Well, you're right, Derek, we don't even know much about
the under sea, and we look at the moon. Let's say,
just an object that if you're out now, ladies and gentlemen, seeing,
depending on where you are, if it's nighttime, the moon
is either up just past full. We'll go into that later.
But the interesting thing is we've gone to the surface
of the Moon, but we know so little. We've mapped
the moon, even the far side, but we know so
little about the deepest parts of the ocean and other
areas underneath the oceans. Who knows, maybe these interdimensional beings
for whatever reason. And again I can't say I can
prove it. You can't either, But that's why we have
you in this particular episode of the Doctor Sky Experience.
We're doing fine is to be able ladies and gentlemen,
to bring in another iteration of what research over the time,
whether you're a Christian or not, We're going to get
into what more of the Bible might say about revelations,
not the Book of Revelations, but about this phenomenon here,
because you don't hear that, Derek, in other programs. Most
of the time, all we're hearing about is the latest
UFO cover up, disclosure. We all want disclosure, and again
I'm not Look, let me say this. I come from
a science background, okay, observational astronomy. I've gone out not
breaking tens of thousands of hours and the deepest and
darkest skies with every single galactic object that you could
possibly imagine, and I haven't seen but maybe one billion
to them all. And I can tell you categorically, I
haven't seen anything really truly that makes me go, oh wow,
look at that spaceship with the guys with their gals,
with the big heads and the big eyes. But this
is a subject that's interesting and defining it from your
perspective as a Christian and bringing into the whole subject
here UFOs and God and if you'd like to go
to Derek's website, it's simply UFOs and godbook dot com.
That's UFO's and indegodbook dot com. Very interesting stuff. So
take us to the bottom of the hour if you've
got about three more minutes. Why, of course this is
so relevant in other perspectives and other iterations, because everywhere
you see, everybody wants to have the understanding, hey, wait
a minute, there's something out there, and whether it's good
or bad. Tell us more about why this is all
relevant from your.
Speaker 6: Perspective, Well, I don't think we're going to see what
you see in the film Independence, say, like some big
craft hobbing that's going to start blowing away the White
House and other things. It seems like it's far more subtle.
A lot of people will say, well, if these things
are real, why don't they land on the White House
law and then say take me to your leader. It
seems that the strategy here, as the strategy of the
occult throughout all of history, is far more subtle, you know, basically,
but it is there is danger. For example, there was
a report of a craft hovering near the nucular missile
stripe Malstrom Air Force Base.
Speaker 3: Very well on this show. Please continue, but you're you're
right right on the right railroad here.
Speaker 6: And literally the entire underground controls for the nuclear missiles
went offline for one hour. I mean that is scary.
We've got nuclear missiles, we have no control of them
for one hour. There's reports of craft like it was
one of the French Craft fighter tips uh that almost
had a collision with the UFO.
Speaker 14: Uh.
Speaker 6: There's other pilots that talk about having near collisions. There's
a case in I think it was Australia. I know
it's maybe New Zealand. That basically where there was this
one first pilot was reporting that he was being sort
of harassed by a UFO.
Speaker 3: Do that right?
Speaker 6: And his craft was never and his ship was never
heard from. His plane was never heard from again. So
there is some danger here. It's not like the Independence
Day movie where they're going to blow go up, you know,
the Pentagon or something. But they seem to enjoy hurting people,
and not only just in terms of spaceships or flying saucers,
but when people have had contact with him, there's a
lot of danger and people being hurt, like you've done
this story about Travis Walton. He disappeared for five days.
What happened to him or.
Speaker 3: Exactly his story is, Derek, His story is so very powerful.
Hollywood took the liberty of doing the Fire in the
sky and that to me, if you watch the end
part of it, though it's Hollywood, you've seen it. You're
a filmmaker and other people are not filmmakers and they
saw it. That literally kind of shocked me when I
watched that years ago, and I said to myself, Travis,
knowing him, that's incredible. I mean, you have a lot
of people that don't believe him at all. But why
would a man do this? He's a lumberjack, let's say, simple,
common guy, intelligent guy. Why would he go to all
this length to tell a story like that? Why? Because
he can make a lot of money that's never been
in my opinion, Travis.
Speaker 6: Oh, it's not. At least there were five other but
four or five other people with him that saw him
go up into that craft, and they took live detector
tests and passed all of them. Because people thought that
they killed him because there was no old give me
a break here. Your friend just went up into a spaceship,
gift me a break, and literally he was disappeared for
five days. They were going to bring charges against these guys.
He came back and he explained that literally last thing
he remembered was this craft flying away. And the bottom
line is is that you know it's a dangerous thing.
Now these are isolated incidents, so people you know, it
goes into the news cycle, and that goes out of
the news cycle, so you don't think about it. But
there's I listed at the beginning of the book probably
about fifty different examples that are hard to explain away
of maybe they can do this after the break, and we.
Speaker 3: Need to take that break. Not to get any guests short,
because in this world there's space and time, the time
space continuum. It's time for the heartbreak. We'll continue with
Derek Warfow, an excellent guest in my opinion, I hope
you would agree. Not everything you may believe, but the
point of the matter is we open up the many
mysteries in the theater of the mind. Derek Warfow, author
and filmmaker. Right after these important announcements.
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Speaker 3: At thirty three minutes after the hour, we simply are
all made of start us. We continue with our very
special guest on the Doctor Sky Experience, Theater of the Mind,
Derek Warfel, author and filmmaker. Derek, thanks for being with us.
Let's continue with the callers. They're very popular here, at
least as they step into the Theater of the Mind.
Let's go to line number three and say good morning
to Nick in Virginia. Nick, thanks for your patience. How
you doing well?
Speaker 15: Thank you Doctor Sky and Derek. I too have my
doubts about man getting to Heaven into spaceship, simply because
it would takes forty years just to get to the
end of our solar system. And you know, I don't
know as a film producer, do you know about the
the movie The Day the Earth Stood Still and the
hidden meanings in the film?
Speaker 6: Yes, yes, please yes?
Speaker 12: Uh?
Speaker 15: Well, the the scriptwriter Edward North he uh and without
the consent of the company that produced the film, or
the the the director that he was. He was putting
these hidden meanings in the movie that Clatto and Gort
came down from the heavens and this and the whole
thing was a metaphoric Jesus uh Clattu came to Earth
from the heavens, and he had a message for mankind
to repent or you will be burnt to a charred nothing.
And he was given. He was resurrected by Gort after
the humans shot him, and then he took on the
name Carpenter as a human and was trying to teach
humanity through his messaging that they need to straighten up
and fly right.
Speaker 3: And you're absolutely right. It's amazing the way you say that,
because it's one of my favorite movies. And Derek, please
your response, because Nick brings up some very interesting things
messengers from the heavens with a message of peace in
this particular case if people haven't seen the movie, But
tell us more, Derek, this is interesting what Nick is
are alluding to.
Speaker 6: Well, I think you're right about the distances. I'm just
going to cover this briefly. Is that literally that from
what we can tell right now, just by triangulation, the
universe is one hundred billion light years wide. Okay, light
year is the distance light travels in a year, and
light travels approximately six trillion miles in a year, so
you know, you start to realize, and even just our
own galaxy, the Milky Way, it takes one hundred and
fifty thousand years for the radio signal to get across
our galaxy traveling at the speed of light, so you
realize that you know them coming from that type of distance.
And the closest star to us is Alpha century, four
point three light years away, or twenty five trillion miles away. Now,
if you were to take Voyager one, which left our
atmosphere in the seventies thirty eight thousand miles an hour,
it would take seventy five thousand years to reach Alpha century,
which is the closest star. So yeah, it's just very
not possible that they're coming from another, even the closest star,
because nothing travels fast than the speed of light. According
to Einstein, that's a constant. And even if we were
to travel at one tenth the speed of light, you
think that there's nothing in space, but there is. There's space, dusts,
there's chips, there's little rocks. Literally your craft would get
torn apart before you reach your destination. So they're not
coming for another star, they're not coming for another star system.
They're coming for another dimension.
Speaker 3: And you may it a good point there, Derek, No,
not to catch you short. What I want to add
to Nick and the conversation to the entire audience. The
speed of light is six hundred and seventy million miles
an hour, and you're absolutely right. Therek about five trillion
miles you know, to go to one light year distance,
So it seems improbable unless and again I cannot discount
it in the world of science that it's impossible, Nor
are you saying that it's not impossible but more likely
if you line up all the statistics and science that
we know. But Nick and Virginia, you an opportunity to
come back if you have another response to what the
Derek is saying, go ahead, yes.
Speaker 15: And I tried to find out if what speed the
human body will deteriorate, and apparently they're saying that the
human body can actually go to speed of light as
long as it's not a quick speed that you know,
acceleration or a deceleration of any kind, then you're going
to just you know, like if you hit something in space,
you're just going to be destroyed.
Speaker 3: You'd be torn apart. You're absolutely right, and again not
to be a funny guy. Imagine, I don't have one,
but a friend of mine does. He sits in his
tesla plaid and I have. Well, I haven't gotten in it,
but I know people who haven't. They say zero to
whatever it does. You might need a chiropractor. Derek and
Nick because of the instant acceleration. That's another story. But Nick,
thank you for bringing some perspective to this. And again
we're not trying to convince people. No apologies from me
the host, everybody is it. Opinion is important here, and
we're trying to give better perspective in these two hours
to what might not be talked about. Derek, you're the
one doing this, and I salute you. Derek Warvill, author
and filmmaker. So as we continue on this journey, let
me ask you a few more questions on this improbable
in your mind that the capability of alien technology at
this point over the vast distance of space. Carry on
the theme before we go to the next break here,
in about four or five minutes about the possibility of
this being a more spiritual thing, interdimensional stuff. The mind
of man doesn't even understand that, so it has to
be somewhere written in books of the past. How does
the Bible address this in your opinion, you're the scholar
on that.
Speaker 6: Well, the Bible seems to indicate several different angels that
we see, and probably the easiest one to point to
is if you remember the Nativity story, the shepherds and
the hills who are looking at the sky their sheep,
and all of a sudden there was a host of
angels singing glory to God. And then a few minute
a few seconds later, they were all gone, Well what happened?
Did they just go to Mars or Jupiter or Venus
or the Zeta ridiculous star system. No, they went from
one dimension, which is the dimension or in to another dimension.
For example, say pretend there's six dimensional beings. Okay, they
can enter three dimensions of space and then go back
to the sixth dimension, and to us they would seem
to disappear. Let me give you example. Look at something
like on your table, some flat table. Imagine you had
a whole species of beings on a flat table. It
would be like a projection of a movie or something
like that, and they're moving around and say you're in
a third dimension and you come down and touch the table,
it would look like you disappeared out of nowhere. And
then you lift your hands off the table, it would
look to them like you disappeared. You know. That's the thing.
Is that literally, traveling between dimensions, they could be right
next to you. This is we talked to an astrophysicist.
He says, literally, if it's another dimension, they could be
right next to you if you don't see them. And
I believe that's true. That literally. We interviewed one person
in the film, Blake Healy, who basically had the ability
for some of his childhood years to see these extra
dimensional beings, and at a certain point when he came
closer to God, that ability disappeared. But it drove him
nuts because he could see them. No one else could
that they were right there, but they were gone. Let
me give you another example. The Garden of Eden. Okay,
the Garden of Eden. Basically it says it's near the
Euphrates River and some of the other rivers, the Tiger
server that come off of it. And you know, well,
you can go where these rivers are, and you can
go up and down the whole length of the thing,
and you will not find a gateway to the Garden
of Eden. Well where is it. Well, it's probably right
there in plain sight and the angel that's guarding the
but it's in another dimension. You know that you cannot
enter that dimension. You have lost Adam and Eve lost
the ability to travel between dimensions. So there's things on
our earth that may exist in three dimensional space that
we can't see them because they're in a higher dimension.
Speaker 3: Yes, times No, you bring up something very fascinating because
in my world of spirituality, you know, I've lost my
parents and people out there who've lost loved ones no
matter what age, we still love them. But it's interesting
if we think, maybe, and this is just my possibility,
like to keep positivity that according to physics and those
that are studying quantum, there may be up words of eleven,
maybe even twenty two different dimensional planes. And we don't
give homework on this show, but there's something that people
might want to look into. It's rather complicated, but I'll
say it without spelling it. These are called callabi yao, manifolds. Now,
I know that sounds crazy, like you're thinking of a
manifold on your vehicle. This is different. It's about dimensional
planes that exist out there. So what you're saying, Derek
is very much I in the heart side of the
whole thing. And to everybody listening, wouldn't it be wonderful
that those that have departed are not really like trillions
of light years away? But because our brains do not
have the capability of absorbing that sad that we can't
bring them here. But isn't that interesting that in that
dimensional world. You're right, maybe more of this UFO UAP
story is that. But we got to take that break.
And when we come back, just to let our listeners know,
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Speaker 1: Now Here's Doctor Sky.
Speaker 16: Hi.
Speaker 6: I'm Travis Walton, author of Fire in the Sky and
my experience as an abductee back in nineteen.
Speaker 14: Seventy five, and you are listening to the Doctor Sky Show.
Speaker 3: In the years of the Antichrist, people will expect salvation
from space. This will be the Devil's greatest trick. Humanity
will seek help from the aliens, not knowing that they
are actually demons. In the opinion of Saint Gabriel of
the Georgian Orthodox Church, who was canonized in twenty twelve,
a different perspective on the subject that we're talking about
today and this morning with our guests Derek Warfel, author
and filmmaker UFOs and God. Let's continue with the callers
are very popular listening here a very popular guest. We
go to line four and welcome Tony in New Jersey.
Good morning, Thank you for your patience.
Speaker 17: Hi, Doctor Sky. Hi, Derek. I love the topic. I
wanted to I wanted to say that my viewpoint is
I always funnel everything through the Word of God and
what I what I read about was a very powerful
scripture and if you can just give me two minutes,
and then I think I'll let you say the rest.
Speaker 3: Sure.
Speaker 17: It talks about it'll take two minutes when we get
ready for the flood. We talk about how Noah prepared
for the flood because things were so evil at that time.
And it starts to tell us about when man began.
This is Genesis Genesis, one of the early chapters, when
man began to multiply on the face of the land,
and daughters were born to them. The sons of God
saw that the daughters of man were attractive, and they
took as their wives any they chose. And then the
Lord said, my spirit shall not abide with man forever,
for his flesh his days are to be years. And
the film were on earth on those days and also afterwards,
and there also talks about in other passages of scripture.
But what's interesting is that then the film were really
they read somewhere. The name means that they were ancient
champions who made names for themselves, that at some point
they had a different relationship, and then you know, things
happened and they came down to earth. Very interesting, and
so this all makes sense to me. And the last
thing I want to say is that just as the
Catholic Church was always apprehensive about exorcisms, they didn't really
talk about it, they didn't really explain it, and people
just had about it through movies like The Exorcist. This
is the same kind of thing. I think it could
be a mix of beings that just were meant to
be serving God and glorifying God, and then they just
came into a way of their own and you know,
those who are doing bad things to us.
Speaker 1: Yeah, that's amazing anyway.
Speaker 3: In fact, no, you said at Lunton they appreciate your
commentary and your opinion. Derek, this is fascinating as we
dig deeper into this subject. Please continue.
Speaker 6: Yeah, well, I would say, you know, there's a lot
of talk about the Nephi. Lee might have other friends
who are believers who've written books about this. I have
a kind of a unique view on this because I
was confused on this. I heard a sermon by doctor
John MacArthur and all of a sudden this kind of
fell in place for me. And this is read from
you from Genesis six, which is what we're referring to,
says the nephylene were on the earth in those days
and afterwards when the sons of God came to the
daughters of men. In other words, the Nephylene were on
earth before the sons of God came to the daughters
of men. What that tells me is that the Nephylene
were a human race, just like there's a race of midgets,
there's a race of you know, unique people here and there.
The methylene were giants and they were not. They were
on the earth before the sons of God came down,
and the sons of God or the angels, the fallen angels,
i should say, decided to concentrate on the nephylene and
work with them to raise up the whole. How can
I say tribe of nations that they could control. Now,
think about this, if you're an spirit and you're wanting
to take over the earth, you're not going to go
to the shortest people or the medial people, or the
overweight people. You're going to go to the biggest and
strongest people. Because if you're going to raise an army,
you're going to go to the strongest and biggest and
largest people out there. And there are fossils of human
beings that are twelve feet tall that people will run across,
and they are possibly even taller. I could go into
things before the flood why human race was bigger and
smarter before the flood. But the bottom line is I
do not believe that these are half breed human and angels.
Speaker 3: I think it's interesting there. Yeah, this is interesting and
just to jump in here really quick, this is interesting.
Are the darker side of science fiction? I don't know
if many people have seen it. Maybe many people may
have the movie Prometheus, which is actually somewhere embedded into
the alien not aliens from outer space, but the alien
series like therees a Gorney Weaver alien that also talks
about a race of giants, but they go on another
darker path on this. But the point of the matter
is see how in science fiction, which is cool. You know,
everybody can have their ideas of what monsters and things
might lie out there. But again, focusing on what you're
talking about. The nepheline, that's an interesting I haven't heard
much or even know anything about them. So thanks for
enlightening us and Tony. Always a pleasure to hear what
you have to say about these great subjects with great guests.
Please continue, Derek before we run out of time.
Speaker 6: Yeah, well, just just going back to Nephelene briefly, is
that because somebody asks Jesus, there's a question that comes
out in another context, and Jesus says that in a
new life, people will be like angels, because angels are
not do not marry and are not given in marriage.
So the idea that these angels are fallen angels actually
pro created with human beings, it's not that case. What
they did, I believe is that they they how can
I say it? They possessed a baby nepheline from birth.
And you know what you see a person who's possessed
by a demon, they are very strong. Can you imagine
if their baby was possessed by it from earth, by
a demon, how that would affect their life and their
ability and their strength. So you have a race of
giants possessed from birth. But the reason is is that
when God created angels, he didn't create them to pro
create like he did human beings. He created them there
was a certain number and that was it. And basically
so they're not. And it's interesting you see in Greek
and Roman geology this idea of half man half gods
that sort of came out of this whole idea of
the nepheline. But that wasn't really a half man, half
god because and another reason is you see pictures of
the grays and the other things, there are no genitals
on these beings exactly.
Speaker 3: It's very strange.
Speaker 6: So their ability to affect a new race is basically
simply what they normally do is possession and God stop that.
Speaker 3: Well, Derek, many people have said this is going into
deeper research. I'm sure many of our listeners can chime
in on this. That many of the so called grays
of the different species that are alleged to be existing
out there in the cosmos, somewhat they I'm visiting us.
Many of them come in three, as they say, look
at the Bernie and Betty Hill situation. Threes are the
people of abductions threes. But here's the important part. You're right,
no genitalia on these grays. But the simple way of
looking at it, many people have hypothesized that they're really
robotic entities, that they're not really the quote entity of
the aliens itself. They're doing the work like we have
robots now Elon Musk and all these companies, that that's
what those messengers are that are transmitting and traveling wherever
they're traveling, however they're doing that transdimensionally or in other ways.
But I don't know. This is just so fascinat but
I want to remind the listeners and we do our
best always to get everybody on the line. Francis in
New York, please stay on if we don't get you
to this hour. Mike in Lower East Side, Frank in
the Bronx, and Jake in Massachusetts will do everything we
can if your patients can hold and continuing to discuss
with us our very special guest in the Theater of
the Mind, Derek warfilm author and filmmaker. Go to his
website to check out no matter what your belief system is,
ufosangodbook dot com, anything else I left out before we
close out Hour number one, ways to get in touch
with you and some exciting things that are coming up
on your agenda schedule.
Speaker 6: Well, just go to the website. There's some podcasts there,
there's some freebies there, some articles that I've written, there's
a trailer for the film. You know, basically, there's a
lot of stuff there. So go there and if you want,
you can pre even you order the book. The book's
coming out July. I'm sorry, July, it's August twenty fist right, yeah,
there you go, so it's not that far away. And yes,
that's what I would say. I would definitely like to
talk a little bit more about the idea of robots.
I've done some research on that.
Speaker 3: Sure, we have plenty of time. Absolutely, Okay, you know
that'd be something that we can get into. We go ahead,
We've got a few more minutes. And I hate the
rush people, but give us your intro to that. I
appreciate it.
Speaker 6: Well, I think you know. The concept is most people
have seen the film Avatar, right, yes, And a friend
that I met, La Marzouli, said that basically the one
thing that hit him was maybe these are avatars in
these these evil spirits do not do well in inhabiting
our three dimensional space. So what they do is they
have created like a what can I call it a
biological suit that they can enter into and maneuver in
our space. For example, we send robots to Mars. We
can't exist on Mars, okay, but we can send a
robot there, control it and study Mars. Of course, in
the film Avatar, you have Jake basically was paraplegic or quadriplegic,
and he couldn't move it all. But they gave him
a robotic body that he could go out and travel
in this planet. And it's entirely possible that that's what
we're seeing. Even in a UFO community, you're hearing this
term saber, which is synthetic. Let's see synthetic autonomous, biological robot.
And I have heard some people, and again this is secondhand,
but there have been people who've been abducted and taken
on these ships and they see almost what looks like
a closet with a bunch of hanging gray skins, so
to speak.
Speaker 3: Robotic suits or some these are robotic entities that you're
talking aboutout.
Speaker 6: Yeah, is there anything in the Bible that would validate that?
And there is. Jesus says that when a demon was
cast out of a person, they travel over waterless spaces
and looking to find some rest, they come back to
the person they were cast out of and enter that person. Again, Well,
what is the waterless space? I mean, sixty percent of
our bodies are water Okay, And if you remember when
Jesus was going to cast out a demon from the demons,
from the Garandine demoniac. They begged him send us into
the pig, Send us into the pigs. They seem to
need like a biological suit to comfortably exist in our realm.
Now hoping angels don't have that problem, but fallen angels
may have lost the ability to manifest in our three
dimensional space without some sort of biological suit. And there's
one other thing that proves that too, is that the
people who studied these grays say that they will die. Well,
angels don't die.
Speaker 3: And we got to take that break. Derek, You're on
a good role here more with Derek warfel back as
we manage the time space continue in one, eight four,
eight nine, two to two two. How fast an hour
goes when you have great guests and amazing callers with
the concept of what's going on in the universe. The
author Derek Warville UFOs and God a biblical perspective that
might have some answers as we do deep research about
the mysteries around us. We'll be right back.
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author and filmmaker of a book that takes a more
biblical approach to the mystery of UAPs, UFOs, UFOs and God.
But before we do that, a quick interlude as we
break from the normal topics and talk a little bit
about some amazing things that are happening in the heavens
get set for a Falcon nine rocket booster that's going
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get as the beginning of August one of the great
meteor showers of the entire year, the Perseods. And for
those fortunate enough to be on the other side of
the globe, on the twelfth of August, starting from Iceland,
portions of Greenland and down off the areas of the
coast of Spain, another of the total solar eclipses. Let's
continue with our very special guest that we continue by
going to the phone lines, and we welcome on line
one Francis and New York. You've been patient here on
with Derek warfol How are you.
Speaker 11: Hi there.
Speaker 17: I'm not in New York anymore. I'm in Arizona. But
this has been very interesting listening to this because of
some experiences I've had over the years, and under anesthesia,
I took an amazing trip and I didn't see God,
but I heard God and what he told me, And
someday I'll get it all to you. But I do
feel that we have spiritual beings around us, and I
think this split came from jealousy when an angel wanted
more power, and then it became angry and evil, and
that separated the good from the bad. And so we
deal with that today. But there's so many, so much
stuff that's happening that's going on now that's so evil
in the world. It's like people need to wake up
and realize where do they want to be forever? Do
they want to be with God or do they want
to be in an evil place?
Speaker 3: Absolutely couldn't agree more Francis, And I'm sure Derek, you
have a lot of inspiration to add to what Francis
just said.
Speaker 6: I'm sure, oh absolutely. I think you know. The point
is that our consciousness will survive death. We live in
a body, and we have a body that one day
we will be resurrected. Everyone will the good and the evil.
Jesus talks about that, but the evil will go to tradition,
and the good will go to those who know, who
have accepted Jesus will go to be in heaven. And
the important thing is you need Jesus says himself, I
am the way, the truth, and the life. It's almost
like it's not a car that's going to get there,
it's not a spaceship that's going to get there. It's
Jesus himself. And if you get to know Jesus, you
will be with him in heaven. And so that's the
thing I encourage everybody who's listening. If you've never accepted Jesus,
you need to do it. You need to basically stop
following your own desires and follow the one who created
you and you know, to give you the most full
and complete life and protect you from evil. The one
thing I want to get back to here that you've
mentioned is about the spirits. The apostle John says, test
the spirits because not every spirit is from God. And
you've got to beware. And there's two major tess that
the Bible gives us. How do we know if this
is an evil spirit that's deceiving us, or a holy
spirit or a good spirit. The first test is the
test of doctrine, the teaching of the spirits. If the
spirits deny God's existence and say that they see to
us here, if they deny that Jesus is the son
of God. The apostle Paul says, if someone else comes
and teaches a different gospel, or even if we came
and taught the different gospel, even if an angel came
and taught a different gospel, let him be a cursed
And the gospel Paul teaches is very clear in First
Corinthians fifteen that Jesus came, he died for our sins,
who was resurrected, and you know he appeared to more
people after that. If you believe and follow Jesus, that's
the main thing. The second test is the one Jesus
gives us. He says, you'll know them by their fruits.
A bad tree can't produce good fruit. So if you
look at the fruits, and what are the fruits of
these these space beings? The fruits are. They hurt people.
They take someone like Travis Walton, they destroy their lives.
We have people in our film whose lives have been
completely destroyed by these people. They share their faith, they
destroyed their finances, their family, their health, and of course
they say to you, oh, we're not going to hurt you,
and then they hurt you. You know, so that there's
a sense in which you look at what they do
and look at the fruits, and the fruits are bad.
You look at the teaching. The teaching is bad. This
is not a holy spirit, This is not a good angel.
This is an evil angel.
Speaker 3: Well, thank you for that perspective. And Francis, thank you
for being part of our show. Here now just guy
experience has heard around the world, around the world and
want even out into the Usmart Universe and Cosmos. Thank
you Francis for being part of our program. Let's continue
with the callers. They've been very patient. Line number two,
Mike in the Lower East Side. Morning, you're on with
Derek Warpin wing to your patients.
Speaker 16: Go ahead, Good morning, Doctor's guy and Derek. Yeah, there's
there's you know, Jesus Christ, I think said I'm going
to come back like don't look for signs. Who wonders
I'm going to come back.
Speaker 18: I think his second coming like a thief in the night,
so be ready.
Speaker 17: You know.
Speaker 18: Uh, but there's one story in a Bible where, you know,
speaking about molecular structure, how Jesus Christ was able to
change his molecular structure, will walks the walls and stuff
like that. And uh, there's one story in a Bible
where King wanted Israel churse, so he goes to a
prophet I think his name was Elijah. So he takes
his donkey and he goes he's going to Israel, and
all of a sudden, the donkey stopped, and the guy
that with the prophet started whipping the donkey. So the
donkey speaks to him and says, why you hit me?
He speaking to him in language, and he's why you're
hitting me? And then all of a sudden, the angel appeared.
First it appeared to the donkey, so that's why he stopped.
But then he appeared to the prophet you know, I
think it was Elijah, and uh, and and then he
realized that he wasn't going to go on curse Israel.
So yeah, you know, uh, but uh, there's one other
things that I think we're made out of the image
of God. You know, Jesus Christ was God. And when
we have the power over angels to command Satan in
the name of Jesus Christ, the leavers. So if you're
getting attacked, and you can prove it to yourself, if
you're getting attacked and attacked and attacked from the from
the morning tonight, and you got to know it's coming
from an evil, evil spirit. So and you say, in
the name of Jesus Christ, I command you Satan to leave,
Eric or doctor skuy At once you could feel Satan
leaving your body, so you could prove it to yourself. Man,
God is real, Jesus Christ in real life. I've been
through it all. I tried to well, it was a
quazy bike in my life, my whole life, and I've
found the Lord Jesus Christ.
Speaker 3: Man, God, blessings to you. Mike. Your story is very,
very impacting, Derek. How could anything that Mike's saying not
be powerful? I mean it's just so incredible.
Speaker 6: There you go, well, no, he's absolutely right. He talks
about actually the prophet Balem who was kind of a
false prophet, and this king had hired him to go
and curse Israel, and he was riding a donkey, and
the donkeys saw what Balem could not see, that there
was a literally angel standing in his path who would
destroy the donkey. And the donkey kid going off to
the side, and Balem beat the donkey, said why are
you doing this? And you're right first time in history.
The donkey spoke and said, take a good look. Well,
I'd say we probably believe. There's a lot of donkeys
that still speak today, but they they wear a political garb.
But the bottom line is that the donkey could see
this invisible being here is possibly another dimension and the
same thing. There's other examples. Elijah himself woke up one morning.
His servant woke up and looked to the hills, and
you saw this whole host of foreign army ready to
come and take you know, Elijah and his servants and
beat them up. And they were scared. And the servant said,
what are we going to do? And Elijah said, Lord
opened his eyes. And he opened his eyes and he
saw behind this whole army there was a host of angels.
And he realized, oh my gosh, they're there. I didn't
see them. And this gets back to the dimensional thing.
Let me I didn't get to that earlier. But think
about this a second. We know that with one eye
you can see two dimensions, right, but you can't see
the third dimension with one eye. It appears just to
be flat. But when you have two eyes, you can
perceive a third dimensional distance. Well, here's the philosophy. Suppose
you see the creatures in the Bible, angels that have
many eyes. You know, maybe if you had four eyes
you could see another dimension. You know. I don't know,
But the bottom line is that we can only see
three dimensions. But maybe God can give us the ability
to see more than three dimensions. And I'm trying to
think of some of the other things he said about
the seas in the night. He's absolutely right that, you
know I talked to before about Jesus said, I am
the Way, the Truth, and the life. When he comes
back again, he will take those people who believe in
him to be with him. But if you're not, if
you haven't believed in him, the words are pretty us.
I mean it says when the Lord Jesus will be
repealed from heaven with its mighty angels and inflaming fires
that he will basically, you know, purse all those who
have rejected him and do not obey his gospel. So
you absolutely should be ready because there won't be a
lot of warning. It'll just come very rapidly.
Speaker 11: And so Mike, thank.
Speaker 3: You in the lower east side. Not to cut everybody
short here, but wow, you're really lighting up the phone
lines and that's an indication to me as the host
that obviously it's a powerful subject. We'll continue on line
number three. We say hello and good morning to Frank
and the Bronx. You've been patient. You're on with Derek Warvill.
Speaker 12: Hey, I'm sid hey de. Look, so a couple of
days in all those against the devil, so God say
the universe to pray, science, the US three world and
the villains run with it. So today we tend to
think about what's possible now, like for the next few years.
And when you think about the clumble world, things sound
sam to us because it's hard to comprehend what's possible.
My speed, it's possible, stiric impossible. In the CLUSM world,
w had w Steed and I believe that the Many
station I don't have the land on it on Earth
by now, and you're not understand their meaning is ahead
of us. Don't know how many. They're ahead of us
by a lot, and so teleportation is not a particular
thing to think about. They can be in it and
teleport themselves. Doctors, they're let's be and we'll sell wherever
they are.
Speaker 3: So mm hmm, Well, Frank, you bring up some good points.
But again it sounds like your phone, no, no disrespect
to you is suffering from the solar flar effect there.
But Derek, I don't know if you heard much of
what Frank was saying there. If you want to tell
I didn't.
Speaker 6: I didn't get a lot. He said. I think something
about what's possible and what's not possible, right, I think
I apologize Frank. I really tried to. There's a lot
of clicking and it was kind of rough.
Speaker 3: Frank. Really, I appreciate you, my brother for being part
of the show, just that we obviously had difficulty timing
hearing you. I don't know what it is. We're hearing
a lot of clicks in a lot of calls. Well,
we'll try to investigate what it is.
Speaker 6: But well I would say this, I mean, it gets back,
it gets back to you. Know, there's a quote again
I mentioned this maybe before from Arthur Conlin Doyle, the
guy who was the Road about Sherlock Holmes, and there
was a dictum that he said. He says, once you
eliminate the impossible, whatever remains, however improbable, is probably what's true,
you know. So, I mean, the thing is, when you're
dealing with these areas of spiritual things, you can't always
nail everything exactly. God hasn't told us everything we'd like
to know. But what I try to do in the
book is I try to eliminate the impossible, and once
that's out of the way, then you have a good
overview of what is really probable. And frankly, the idea
that these are that we can travel fast than the
speed of light, that we can do these other things,
I think that they're not possible. And you can tell
that these are not holy angels, they're not good spirits
by what they do and what they teach, and they
hurt people. I mean, it's interesting in the film Disclosure Day,
you know, it seems like the only people who got
hurt were the space aliens. In reality, we have countless
examples in the book and in our film where it's
the humans that get hurt by these beings who say
we're not going to hurt you, and then they do
perform experiments on you.
Speaker 3: Right, And we don't want to scare people. I mean, look,
we don't want to scare people. These are the opinions
of our guests. These are the opinions of people out there.
But again, as the host, I want to kind of
formulate this and focus it a little more with a laser.
And you're doing fine, and so are the callers. It
is that I want to get to more of your
experiences about different times in the Bible that we could
actually relate to about these mysteries, because the UFO phenomenon
is just not an eighty year old situation. But let's
continue as time permits here with as many of the
callers as we can get on in what we call
the Theater of the Mind. Line number five, Jake in Massachusetts,
you've been patient. Good morning, Thank you, you're on the air.
Speaker 11: Good morning, doctor Sky, and good morning the guest. I
wanted to ask you that either one of you have
followed the career of doctor Donald Hoffman from California. The
scientists from California, I.
Speaker 3: Have not, sir, But I don't know, Derek.
Speaker 6: Have you I don't, But tell me a little bit please,
No I have, I don't. Yeah.
Speaker 11: Well, for the past forty years studying the nature of
reality through actual scientific experiments, not not religious experiments, and
he's come to he's written several books on the nature
of reality, and he's come to the conclusion that as
human beings, one of the chances that we see reality
as it really is, and he said it's zero percent,
and he's quite fractual about it in his books and
his zero percent. Now, I'm going to tie this in.
I'm sure both of you have heard about neo death experiences.
Speaker 3: Correct, Yes, I've met many who've had them.
Speaker 6: I have not.
Speaker 3: But what about you, Derek, you have ever had one?
Speaker 6: Or no?
Speaker 3: People love that.
Speaker 6: I've never had a near death experience. I've study a
little bit about it and read a lot about people
who've gone through that.
Speaker 11: Yes, I haven't had either, Derek. But I've heard maybe
five hundred near death experiences. And they're not they're not dreams,
they're not they're not fantasies. They are actual experiences like
you and I are talking right now. And these experiences
tie in I believe not. The doctor Donald Hoffman has
said this, but he said that since we don't see
reality as it is, he's trying to uncover the real
nature of reality. And he says he's around seventy years
old now, he's been studying this in a mathematical way
for forty years. And a lot of scientists have jumped
on board and his writings and have joined him and
agrained that what he said was evolution. The evolution was
for physical fitness for the survival of the species, and
it got in the way of us seeing really reality
what do you want to call it, spiritual reality or whatever.
It got in the way of human beings seeing reality.
And it's fascinating. And he's been on a lot of
interview shows and podcasts, and many many scientists have signed
on to him as doctor Robert Lanzer of MIT, and
many many other scientists have.
Speaker 3: Well, Jake, would you do me a personal favor of
my email here just Drsky at WABC radio dot com
if you don't mind at your convenience, if you just
send me an email. I don't have the ability to
write everything right down here and take time away from
our guests, and of course the callers. But what you're
saying is fascinating because again my relationship with doctor Rodgrid
Mitchell of Apollo fourteen, without going too much and be verbose,
he was obviously somebody that had the out of body
experience to the moon and back laughed at by many
of his Apollo comrades. But the big thing is his
involvement with the Noetic Institute and what he called the
quantum hologram relates a lot to what you're talking about, Jake. Derek.
Sorry to cut you for short on that, but isn't
that fascinating what Jake's bringing up about consciousness?
Speaker 6: Oh? Yeah, No, absolutely. I wouldn't say that we have
no notion of reality. I would just say it's incomplete.
We have certainly a notion that when you see a
red light, you don't cross the street, okay, But there's
so much more that we don't see, you know. It's like,
you know, the occult. The word a cult means hidden things.
There's a lot we don't know. The Bible even says
in Deuterommi twenty nine twenty nine that the things revealed
are for us and our children, but the things not
revealed are for God alone. You know, and so there's
things God has told us and there's things he hadn't
So I mean, but I disagree with the one thing
I would disagree with, Like Hinduism and Buddhism says we
live in a world of illusion. I don't believe that.
I believe that we live in a world of complete understanding,
and our assuming is is certainly limited. But I think
the other thing about you're talking about near death experiences
is that there's so much more. There's a really good book,
Imagine Heaven, and it's for those who are Christians and
you're worried about NDS. This guy's a Christian pastor, and
you know, I take everything with a lot of skepticism,
but as I read this, I realized that these people
experience something beyond the reality. And even the apostle Paul
talks about being caught up into the Third Heaven. He
was stoned and left for dead at one point, and
possibly he had a near death experience, and he said
he heard things inexpressible that he was not allowed to repeat.
And he kind of hints at that in First Corinthians
chapter one, where he says the eye is not seen,
the ear is not heard, nor is the tongue of
man able to express all that God has in store
for those that love him. In other words, basically, there's
a lot more to life than we see and hear.
So I would agree with this doctor that our understanding
of reality is very limited, but I wouldn't say it's
completely wrong.
Speaker 3: No, it's interesting. Jakin messages us. Thank you so much,
and I appreciate the information here. That's what this is
all about, right Derek, bringing people together yep, and having
them express their opinions. Yeah, on these amazing subjects that
lie out in the universe, and tying in again, ladies
and gentlemen, the connection between UFOs and God. Our special guest,
Derek Warfow, excuse me, he continues with us, as we
move toward the bottom of our number two. What's fascinating.
We have about four minutes here before the big heartbreak.
I wanted to see if you can just describe to us,
give us a couple of quick examples, and maybe it
takes longer into the next part of what you talk
about in the Bible, experiences that the Bible writes about about,
like Jacob's wheel. I mean, things of this type, all
these amazing sightings that are recorded in the Bible. Give
us a couple of examples about what might be related
to UFOs or UAPs in what you've studied.
Speaker 6: Well, you know, I mean, there's certainly, you know, there's
Ezekiel's wheels, where he basically said he had a vision
and he saw four angels and he saw this throne
that the chaos are transferred, and then there were wheels
beneath the same and it looks a lot like a
machine that it also looks like angels. And you know,
it's a little hard to understand, but I believe that
angels do create and can create machines, you know, So
this idea that we would see flying saucers is not weird.
In other it's anything that we can do, angels can
do better. God created them much smarter, much more powerful
than we are. And so this concept that you know,
we look at these spacecraft, these flying saucers that do
these amazing things that even our best fighter jets can't do,
doesn't mean that they weren't created by fallen angels. The
thing that's different about this appearance and maybe other things
in the past with the Egyptian gods and the other
gods is that they're using machines. But that shouldn't throw
us off. I mean, angels can create machines just like
we can, and much better. For instance, the Bible caused
human sheep okay, cheap, are the some of the dumbest
animals on the farm. Okay, they get lost, they break
their legs. The Bible never calls angels sheep. They are
very smart, very intelligent beings, and they're out to trick us.
They are the best, the fallen angels. They are the
best con men in the universe. And what they're doing,
I believe with this whole UFO thing is one huge
con to get us to follow them because look, oh
my gosh, look at these cramps. They can go forty
thousand to two hundred thousand miles an hour, they can disappear,
they don't have they don't have a sonic boom. They
can do things we can't do. Maybe we should be
listening to them about the basic questions of life. Why
are we here? Who are we? What's our purpose? You know?
Why are we listening to this? Thus the old prophet
from two thousand years ago called Jesus, you know, and
I think it's a huge con because they they're primary
goal when they rebel against God is to get people
to follow them and not God or Jesus.
Speaker 3: Well, we'll continue on the other side of the heartbreak
here the Doctor Sky experience with the Theater of the
Mind is getting filled in, but never too many people. Again,
you two can be part of the conversation one eight
four eight nine two two two. We will do our
very best to get Edgar in the bronx on. Robert
in Philadelphia, I, Frank in Astoria and Lois in Manhattan,
all very patient as we continue to move deeper into
the darkness of the cosmos. But on a bright side,
talk about the obvious opportunity to learn so much from
our special guest Derek warfol in his opinion about how
we can talk about and relate UFOs and God and
maybe they have some sort of biblical explanation that is
up to you in the Theater of the Mind. We'll
be right back.
Speaker 2: This is the Doctor Sky experience. Always look to this
Sky seventy seven w ABC. Now here's Doctor Sky.
Speaker 10: Across the boundary into the unknown, where gravity bends, the
light and time itself stands still. This is the edge
of existence, where everything ends and eternity begins again past
the event horizon. There is no turning back.
Speaker 3: The Church has been caught off guard before by the Enlightenment,
by Darwinism, by liberal theology. UFO is there next, and
the Church is largely unprepared. We must give believers the
biblical framework and answers they need, or culture will do
it for us. A quote from our special guest Derek
Warfol as we continue with thirty two minutes after the hour,
Amazing Derek, how time flies and the callers are still
coming in filling out a wonderful time here in the
Theater of the Mind. Line number four, we go to
Edgar and the Bronx. You've been patient and good morning.
How are you?
Speaker 5: Thank you, thank you. I just want to make three
quick point to find me. The first one that movie
with Rennie, The Daily.
Speaker 8: Earth should still yes.
Speaker 5: One of the reasons, the main reason that Rennie came
to the Earth with his little box is to warn
them that if they don't stop this, you know, trying
to bomb themselves in nuclear bombs, you know, because they
was polluting the solar system, so they would they sent
the Rennie in this robot to Earth to warn them
if you don't stop polluting the you know, the solar system,
you know, we're going.
Speaker 15: To have to kill you.
Speaker 5: So that that's that's a point that was made in
that movie that I want to truss.
Speaker 3: You're absolutely right, Edgar. This is amazing because one of
my favorite movies of all time. And if people look
at Deep Dive, Michael Rennie of course an incredible actor
of Days gone By. I'm a collector of I know,
people laugh at me sometimes of the video discs, you know,
the old laser discs, and I happened to find in
a store it was amazing, an entire collection signed by
the producer of that movie. And I had to get
it because I have a you know, player that works.
But the point is it's one of my favorite You
brought up something very good, Derek. The the interesting part
about that movie. Please continue. It's just powerful.
Speaker 6: Yeah. No, I I saw that when I was twelve.
It was a Saturday night that the movie is on
I think one of the networks, and I remember I
was like sitting there recruiting that Burata Nick Doo Barta
Nick too. You don't want to see the earth blown up?
Speaker 18: Yeah?
Speaker 6: No, I think you know, certainly there is a warning
about you know, our nuclear weapons, and even frankly, even
these UFOs today are repeating the same things that they're
concerned about what we're doing to the environment and nuclear weapons.
But you know, I got to tell you that the
ones today they talk a lot about they talk of
good games, just like politicians. Oh this is terrible, but
you know what, they don't do anything about it. I
think that literally, you know, at least from the aliens today,
it's a con it's not really, you know, it's not
I mean, there's a lot of other things that could
talk about, you know, I mean, we're I think you're
right to literally obviously, you know, you look at Rake
and trying to not just you know, limit nuclear weapons,
but get rid of them. And I think that's something
we can try to do. I don't know we can
ever put the genie back in the bottle, so to speak.
You know, there's a there's a story about the flying machine.
I forget who wrote it, but it was the short
story and it talked about this guy who went to
the a fictional story, went to the Emperor Japan and
he said, oh, look, I've developed this flying machine. We
can see what our enemies are approaching our walls. Because
everything was walls back then. As long as you had
a wall, you're okay. With a flying machine. It can
go over walls. And the Emperor listened very carefully, and
then when the guy had been left the room, he
told his many, says, kill the man to destroy the machine.
You know, it's like literally, you know we but of
course you can't stop progress. It's you know, what you
can do is you need to try to limit these machines,
to try to get rid of nuclear weapons. And everybody,
I mean, the Bible certainly talks about God gave us
a commission to take care of the world, not destroy it.
Speaker 3: You've got.
Speaker 6: On the other hand, he told us not to worship it.
And there's certain elements in society today that believe we
should worship the earth. It's called guya worship, you know,
Mother Nature. Where do you think that came from?
Speaker 3: I hear you, and it seems more powerful than ever.
But this is also a powerful conversation with Derek warfol
But here I want to add something to the conversation
that Edgar brought in from the Bronx. This is interesting,
Gorg Sure the obvious gigantic robot that lends, you know,
with our good friend Michael Rennie. The interesting part about
that Edgar into the audience is that the actor Locke Martin,
very tall, over seven feet tall, was the guy that
they hire to do this. But here's the part that's
actually amazing from trivia from that movie. He had to
climb into this like foam suit and they could only
film a short amount of time with him in there
because it really wasn't you know, it must have been
hotter than hell. That's an interesting way to put it.
And that's interesting, Igar, because they only had a short
time to be able to shoot this, and a lot
of times he would want to be crawling out of
that thing. Imagine that you're in a foam suit and
you're supposed to move. But that's a little bit of
trivia from the Day the Earth Stood Still. Thank you,
Edgar and the Bronx. Let's continue here. A good friend
of ours and a regular caller to the Doctor Sky
Experience Line one, Robert in Philadelphia. You've been patient.
Speaker 19: Good morning, Hi, Doctor Sky. Is always just wonderful to
talk to you. I appreciate your show and your guests.
Thank you Now, I was raised in a children's home
that was run by Luther and nuns and no horror stories.
They were wonderful women, They were very loving. They did
suck a good job with us, and they took us
to charge and I went to Sunday School. I even
read the Bible. Now, I always have a positive view
of Christianity and Christians, but it never took with me.
I've never seen evidence of divinity, so I don't believe
in divinity. I've also never seen any proof that there's
other dimensions. The only reason we theorize about other dimensions
is because our current math doesn't work for our universe.
So they're going to tell us there's other dimensions. There
must be. It sounds like an excuse to me. I
would suggest they go check their math. Now. Having read
the Bible, there's things in there. I think the idea
of putting all the animals on a boat is an
absurd idea. However, we could create genetic banks. We could
even put one in orbit around Earth today if we
wanted to, and nobody saw that a thousand years ago.
So trying to go by what our limitations are to say,
what other million year old civilizations in other parts of
the galaxy might be able to do is kind of
arrogant to me. Okay, we have no idea what will
be capable of in one hundred years, let alone a
million years. I think it's entirely possible that they're coming
here A without us seeing M or B, without us
being told they're coming here. We don't know, So I'm
not saying this is the way it is. It's just
a possibility to me. But I'm getting the impression that
for me to wonder about this scientific amazement time that
we're living in, that I'm somehow in league with the devil.
And since I have such a positive view of princidanity,
I would never call it a con So I did
take a little bit of unbridge of this. So my
question is if it's okay to say that I believe
in UFO when one lands on the White House, is
it also fair to say that I believe in Jesus
when he lands on the White House? Long?
Speaker 3: Wow, Robert, interesting perspective, powerful stuff. Derek from your area
of religious you know, experiences as an author, tell.
Speaker 6: Us, but that could take a couple of wall that.
But I will just talk about the thing I haven't
seen divinity. You know. The Bible says there's two major
proofs of God's divinity. One is conscious that within everyone
there is a conscience that tells us what's right or wrong.
Why do we even have that if everything is just
random chance? And the second thing, and probably the most
important thing, is creation itself. There's such complexity in design
and interests in creation that it's hard to explain apart
from a superior intelligence that's incredibly intelligent strength. There's a
story of a man in Africa who lived in his
tribe and they worshiped the wind and the river and whatever.
But he just started looking at his hand one day
and he realized his hand was so complex. How did
it work? His parents didn't create his hand, he was born.
And people said, well, they talk about a god and
some there's some people two hundred miles away in this
mission group that talk about a god created everything. And
I think if you look at the complexity that exists
in design, in nature, in animals, in our own life,
that literally just to say, oh, it all just came
about by chance, it's just almost impossible to believe. The
other thing you talked about is other dimensions. I guess
you know, I would say, again, how do you explain
these beings that simply you know are there? They retrack
them on radar on their ships and then they disappear.
It's not like they're going to another planet. They literally
go off the radar entirely. Some they've gone somewhere else
right beside where we are. And the last thing about
the Noah. There's a really wonderful exhibits and I believe
it's Kentucky called the Arc Experience. If you ever get
a chance, go there. I mean, they answer a lot
of the questions that you're asking because what's absurd? How
could you have that many animals on a boat? I mean,
they have done a lot of research to explain the
possibility just logically, how that's possible that obviously you only
need a certain number of You don't have it by species.
You have it by something larger than species, and they
branch out anyway. But if you ever go to the
Arc Experience, it's well worth going to.
Speaker 3: Well thank you for that information. Here we're almost and
I can I feel terrible life. Try to be like
the air traffic controller. We got to get the planes
in and out and make sure that they take off. No, no, no,
never be sorry. Hey, this is we have to run
it by the clock otherwise, Can anybody out there in
cyberspace give us another alternative that would be interesting, a
transdimensional radio show that has no limitations to be We'll
be back here in just a moment. What I wanted
to mention a very big collash, and I want to
thank Robert and Philadelphia for his insightful comments always to
the show. There's this big but this would take another
thirty forty thousand hours to cover the conflicts between Darwinism
and creationism. That is the subject that's extremely extremely volatile
in many areas. Not to put you in a light.
You know that we're going to explain it in two minutes.
But the reality of this is it's such an amazing story.
When we talk about what you're bringing to the table
here and in my synthesis, i'll do this very quickly
before we go to the break. It seems so far
from being a listener from this side as a host
that it looks like you're putting this out there in
your opinion that you're seeing more of this, that these
UFOs are probably not entities that are traveling through time
and space with velocities, but more likely somehow dimensional, and
that in so many words, without bunny words in your mouth,
there that there's a distinct difference between the good side
the alien, you know, not the alien the angels, and
maybe not to scare people, maybe there's another side to
this that needs to be explored deeper. What are these
entities that are coming to us, like the Travis Walton experience,
the Barney and Betty Hill experience that may not be
so friendly. And with that, we'll be right back here
on the Doctor Sky Experience and do our best to
get everybody on the air. And that's going to be
a magic trick to do. Before the clock runs out.
We'll be right back.
Speaker 2: This is the Doctor Sky Experience. Always look to the Sky.
Seventy seven WABC. Now here's Doctor.
Speaker 1: Sky, Sadi.
Speaker 14: This is Jim Mars, author of Alien Agenda, the top
selling non fiction book on UFOs in the world, and
I'm here to say watch the sky, Doctor Sky. That
is right here on this station.
Speaker 3: Forty eight minutes after the hour, we continue as we
move through time and space. Derek war a guest author
and filmmaker. The callers continue to come into the Theater
of the Mind online too. We welcome you Frank in
a story. Thanks for your patience. You're on the air.
Speaker 9: Yes, thank you for taking my phone call, Doctor Skott.
I just want to ask your guest. You know, we're
a neighbor to the red planet Mars, and they have
sent up, you know, probes to search the Martian terrain
and see if there was ever some sort of water
life there at one time. I want to ask your guest,
is it possible that on Mars there was some sort
of cellular life that might have created some sort of
alien life, because I you know, I used to watch
this series called the Martian Chronicles. It is a very
large and expensive fiction series of movies and films, and
they had a perspective on you know, a Martian colony
there that you know, evolved through an alien races didn't
want the Earth people to go there. So I know
you probably are familiar with the Martian Chronicles.
Speaker 3: I've seen it in the past. I mean, I can't
comment on it, but let's move forward. Derek your response,
because again, Frank, I appreciate you, but the time we're
trying to get as many people with their.
Speaker 6: Questions right, Well, I just one thing before I say that.
I just want to say I enjoy being on your
show with so many great people from New York. I
love the accent. One of the I always I listened
to ABC, KBC or WABC when I was in New
Jersey and New York is such. It says, such have
been such a force in this country over many years,
and I see their forces trying to tear it apart.
And I just want to let you know in New
York that I pray for you guys. I really do,
because New York, the way New York goes, it affects
the country and in the world.
Speaker 3: Right.
Speaker 6: Yeah, And I so much enjoy being on with you
guys and hearing that New York accent. I have a
one of my best friends is from Long Island and
he has to straighten me out all the time. Anyway,
getting back to your point about Mars, you know, there's
a lot about this universe. We don't know. Was there
ever life on Mars? You know there are scientists that
say maybe there was, maybe there was water source, maybe
there was life. I don't believe. I believe, you know,
could The question is, could could an almighty god have
creative life and other planets. Absolutely he could. I think
the question is did he What are the odds that
he did? As a writer, as a filmmaker, you know,
I'm always trying to come up with, you know, novel
ways of looking at things, creating things that may never
have happened, simply to tell a good story. I don't
personally believe that God did create life on another planet
or that it evolved from cellular life. I believe that literally,
even people like Crick, people who have you know, studied
the DNA molecule and basically broken it down. You know,
they were saying that it's just too complex for it
had come about by chance on this planet or even
the Mars. That literally there. I mean, you can say
maybe God created it and developed it, but to say
that it came about by chance again, this guess back
to this whole evolution debate. Let me just give you
one example. The one person we talked to at Reasons
to Believe as an astrophysicist, they ran a calculation, what
would it take for just by random collisions of articles
happening even in the universe, it's as big as ours
for even a simple bacterium to come about by chance,
and he said it was ten to the five hundred
and fifty six power to one. That's ten followed by
five hundred and fifty euros to one. I mean the
odds against just one. Not advanced life but a simple bacteria. Now,
by comparison, to win the California State lottery, you just
need odds of ten to the ninth power to one.
I mean, what a bargain, you know what I mean,
what a difference.
Speaker 3: You're absolutely right.
Speaker 6: Yeah, it's like literally the odds of that happening by
chance by just having some water and some cellular life
I personally, I mean, sure, anything can happen, right, I mean,
but when the odds are that high against it, I
you know you wouldn't go to Vegas and bet your
life on that, you know.
Speaker 3: Thank you Frank In the story is sorry to cut everybody.
Sure here trying to get as many people on with
a full and you know our obvious explanation and a
response line three Lois and Manhattan. You've been patient. You're
on with Derek Warvil. Good morning.
Speaker 8: Thank you for taking my call. I'm the first I'm caller,
and the reason I'm calling is because I got interested
in Uffos in the nineteen seventies, and by the mid
late nineteen eighties, I already came to the conclusion these
were like interdimensional and evil. And the reason I came
to that conclusion was because every encounter that I read
about or heard about the fruit of it was always
something bad happened. The fruit was always bad. People got
the fear, the abduction, the probing, and the radiation sickness.
Everything was bad. I never heard of one encounter where
the encounter gave something positive, something good to humanity. Here
we're so advanced, we know your DNA and this and that,
here's the cure for this disease. So I don't want
to hear them say, oh, these aliens are here to
help us. Nonsense. Every encounter has been bad. And I
remember reading an article way back then about the Grays,
and I don't know where exactly was. I think it
was maybe South America, but I'm not sure. It was
so long ago, nineteen eighty and it said that the
Grays were appearing in this certain area and they would
appear in the house and the person would open the
door and they would ask permission to come in, and
they couldn't come in the house unless they were giving permission.
Some people got scared to this and cried out in
the name of Jesus. You know, when they would mention
the name of Jesus, they would disappear. And in terms
of the physicality, I mean, it's very well known by
exorcist and Catholic first that the evil spirits work through
the five senses and the imagination. So the five census
they can make you see something or hear something, or
even feel a touch or something. And because they work
through the five senses and the imagination.
Speaker 3: No, you bring up some good points. Time is of
the essence here and I know, Derek, I would love
you to have your respond to this, but I think
in due respect to a couple of other callers, we'd
like to go to line number four. Roger's calling us
from the great state of Idaho. You're on the air,
and I believe that'll close out this second hour. Sadly,
we'd love to have more time to do this, and
if we don't get you on the air, we do
thank you for being patient on the line. Roger and Idaho.
If you're with us, you're on with Derek Warfel.
Speaker 20: Yes, thank you, Doctor skuy for allowing me to be
a part of the Theater of the Mind. And Derek,
I see that your book is going to be released
next month and available on your ebook is going to
be available for download on Libby, which is available too
many libraries throughout the nation. I was wondering if it's
also going to be available in audiobook form.
Speaker 6: Not audio books yet that I guess if there's a
demand for it, we'll do it. They I think they
have a division. I'm a first time author on this.
I wasn't planning to write a book on UFOs. It's
just kind of like I was forced to it because
I just so much nonsense on this subject, you know,
But I do appreciate you asking. I just want to
mention one thing to the prior caller, and this is
for everybody who's listening, that if for some reason you're
ever approached by one of these alien presences, understand that
Jesus will deliver you. We have an example in the
film where a guy was being lifted off his bed
by presences. He didn't want to go, and just in
the moment he called out, Jesus saved me, and he
was dropped back on the bed. The name of Jesus
has authority over all these beings, and if you call
on him, he will help you. But yeah, thank you
for the interest in it. It's coming. The book is
coming out soon. Go to the website UFOs and God
all the information there's there's a lot of freebies there,
and look for the film September eleventh. Because the film
gives testimonies, examples of people who've gone through this, and
I think we tried to do a good job of
being even handed. But you have to make up your
own mind.
Speaker 3: Well, Derek, Derek, no, no apologies for the time limitations,
but again, thank you for your expertise. Derek Warville, author
and filmmaker. You'd like to go to a website. It's
UFOs and godbook dot com. Thank you. Roger and Idaho.
Sorry we couldn't get you on. Robert and Riverhead or
Vinnie in West Virginia. Try us next time because we're
going to continue with this. My open door question to
you is would you be willing to come back here
and discuss this in further ince as time goes on.
Oh yeah, and I think that's awesome. It's an obvious,
simple answer. I think it's a powerful one very interesting
information here on the Doctor Skuy experience. Not only great guests,
but also the great callers that come in with lots
of inspiration and they stay on measure. This is awesome.
And they also think in the critical thinking type of response,
which is what's good here. Derek Warfel, thank you so much,
and I'm sorry for the shortness of the two hours.
We could probably do four hours on this subject and
I'm sure it would have many more and many more callers,
so we'll do it again soon. And I do thank
you for being part of the doctor s Guy Experience.
Speaker 6: Well, thank you, yeah always the privileging on it.
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