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In tonight's adventure, we'll be talking about something near and

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dear to the subjects of UFOs, but from a different

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perspective that you men never have heard before. But before that,

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let's thank our helmsman Bill and Jackson navigating the many

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callers that we get. And all that we ask, folks,

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is that when you call in, if you just simply

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try your best to stay on subject matter because of

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the great number of calls that we get. For centuries,

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mankind has been witnessed to strange and mystical sightings of

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what is now known as UFOs and UAPs. For while

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over eighty years, more recent documented reports of this aerial

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phenomenon continue, but to this date, in this humble host opinion,

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no single credible piece of evidence has been shown, Yet

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we want to be positive, well, have we missed a

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key ingredient in this puzzle? We now explore a Christian

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view from answers what does the Bible tell us about

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u fos, UAPs and the connection between God and this

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whole subject. In just a moment, we'll give you a

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full bio of our special guest, Derek Warfew, the author

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of a brand new book that talks about this subject

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in great entirety. U fos and God, UFOs and God

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revealing deception and the truth behind the supernatural, the invisible

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war Very interesting subjects, But we throw out a question

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to our audience in the kindness of a handshake, and

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the question to start our conversation with our guests would

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be this, does the Bible offer some simple explanation or

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a complicated explanation of UFOs and UAPs? With that in mind,

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let's hear more. We need to talk. I have waited

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most of my life or the government to come out

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and say they're real. They finally have said that. I

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was informed in the course of my official duties of

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a multi decade UAP crash retrieval and reverse engineering.

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Speaker 4: Program, probably the moment I realized they were real, they

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would be in two thousand and four, and we end

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up spending a week tracking unknown aircraft and I got

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to say a live action video of an actual UAP.

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Speaker 5: Area that's been baked two feet into the ground.

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Speaker 6: And the ships came that night and I start freaking

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out and it was so massive, it.

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Speaker 7: Was so who are you?

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Speaker 4: What is this affected my relationship with God?

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Speaker 8: Who I thought I was, my identity, what I believe,

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but it really shouldn't.

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Speaker 9: Old ted you must be a UFO believer, and I

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say no, I believe in God.

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Speaker 3: I study UFOs.

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Speaker 10: What ultimately could be the agenda behind the alien UFO phenomenon,

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It could be very, very evil.

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Speaker 7: Don't think about the thirteen billion light years. If we're

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talking dimensions beyond the universe, they could be this close

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to us. Whatever the claims that are made by any

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personality regarding God or Jesus or spiritual things, I want

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to know the reasons. Maybe these interdimensional beings have an agenda.

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They're on a mission, and I argue that it's a

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Speaker 11: We need to talk about this now.

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Speaker 5: Christians are starving for people to talk about this.

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Speaker 11: And to talk about honestly.

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Speaker 12: Time is of as I want to.

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Speaker 3: Talk about it. Let's go to Sunday School and talk

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about this topic. Derrek Warvell is an award winning filmmaker

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whose new book UFOs and God, Revealing Deception and the

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Truth behind the Supernatural and the Invisible War, offers a

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serious Biblical response to the modern UFO narrative and its

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growing impact on the church. He holds a bachelor's degree

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in psychology from Princeton University, a master's of theology from

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Dallas Theological Seminary where he studied under doctor Charles Ryrie

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and John Walboot, and a master's degree in cinema from

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the University of Southern California. He's the owner and producer

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of Winter Star Productions. Derek is the executive producer of

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the Companion doctormentary film UFOs and God, set to release

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later this month in August, and is developing a six

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week Bible study guide for small groups. It resides in Florida,

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and it's a privilege and honor to have you, Derek.

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As we continue to move through time and space, how

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are you, sir, and thank you for spending time with us.

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Speaker 6: Well, thank you for having me on the show. Can

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you hear me? Okay?

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Speaker 3: I sure can, and sometimes we'll hear clicking noises, but

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I always blame them on solar flares. But let's hope

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we don't have any outbursts of solar flares. So far.

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You're sounding five by five and if it wasn't for

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our great helmsman, I'm sure we probably wouldn't be hearing this.

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Speaker 6: So yeah, Well, as they say, east of the Rockies

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here in Florida, so ready to.

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Speaker 3: Go, You're way east of the Rockies. You know, many people,

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as I opened up with the whole show here as

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we always do, bringing on the greatest guests and people,

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tell us my email just d Rsky at WABC radio

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dot com. Any comments and questions that you might have

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throughout this two hour exchange. I'm more than happy to

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get back to you. But here's the way I like

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to begin this interview with you. This is such a

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deep subject and what I'm so privileging on it to

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be as the host of the show sitting behind this microphone,

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is to be able to express to people a different

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view You don't have to necessarily agree with everything as

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we talk about, you know, not only you don't have

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to worry with the host, you don't have to agry

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with the guests. But in the positivity side of this, Derek,

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here's the simple question, why do UFOs matter to the

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Christian Church? You spend a lifetime doing this, Please tell

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us more about this.

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Speaker 6: Yeah, well, I would say they matter for this reason.

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It's becoming a growing phenomenon that is becoming harder and

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harder to deny. You know, I think in the book

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I give maybe thirty or forty different examples that you know,

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from credible eyewitnesses, from credible events, and just to ignore it,

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you have a problem. So, as a Christian, I ran

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across this problem. I said, well, I don't know if

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I have a category for this, how do I how

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does this spit into my understanding of the Bible? And

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book called The Truth about UFOs by John Weldon and

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John Ackerberg, and is like the lights went on. Of

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course that's the answer right there. As Christians, we know

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that there's a whole supernatural realm that's existed alongside of

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beings that the Bible and God has told us about

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that could do some of the things that we're seeing

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are basically these supernatural beings. And every culture throughout all

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of history has, every culture, every religion has admitted that

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we share this universe with supernatural beings. And it's only

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in the twentieth century that basically science became a little

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bit too uppity to decide that, well, that's all superstition.

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there's all sorts of evidence of supernatural beings that have

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inhabited our lives. You know, the simplest ones are like

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ghosts and polderdeice. But you go back throughout all of history,

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and you know ancient Near Eastern god, Ancient Egyptian gods,

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the Arabic, Gin, Greek and Roman gods. Now they probably

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never presented themselves the way that mythology has come down

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to us. But something started it off. I mean, you know,

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the Greeks and Omans weren't stupid that there's something, something

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that was credible that yeah, that got them thinking about

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Speaker 3: No, it's an amazing story and the relevance of this

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couldn't be at a more perfect time because and again

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my rant is not as important as what your information

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to the audience. And that's why we go ahead and

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open the phone lines. We call it a theater of

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the mind because obviously we're not watching this in a

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video format, which to me gives us more of the imagination.

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And that theater of the mind number for the Doctor

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Sky Experience four to eight nine two two. If you'd

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like to join, and I hope you will, ladies and gentlemen.

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Derek Warfel, author and filmmaker. This gentleman has a lot

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of experience with a different twist. And not to sound

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like I'm kissing up here, Derek, this is interesting to

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me because in my opinion, and I don't like throwing

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too many opinions, I like the guests to give us

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more the information. But here it is to cut to

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the chase. In my humbled opinion, legacy and mainstream media

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is just on this hot torch bed. You know, it's

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like hot coals. Everybody's now looking at this thing is Wow.

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There's an alien invasion maybe imminent. But the government, in

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many people's estimation, what is nolling out this information and

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which is good. But I want to take a different

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perspective on this, and to some it may be a

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little bit challenging. So why is this so relevant? Tell

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Speaker 6: Yeah, well, it's relevant, I mean at least for Christians,

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because how can I say the messaging that's coming from

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encounters with these beings is completely opposite Christianity. I mean,

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it's not like it's just sort of like it, it's

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completely opposite. They tell us, they tell the people that

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have had contact with them that in fact, God did

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not create this universe. They essentially were the creators of

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us here on planet Earth. They visited Earth and there

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is a very primitive life forms and they see the

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DNA here and so we're there children, not God's children.

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obviously that's completely opposite Christianity. And they deny that there's

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a personal God. They believe there's a God force, but

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not a personal God. Well, that undermines all of Christian

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theology because Christian theology says there is a personal God.

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We have offended him severely and because of that, there's

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a judgment day. Well, if there's no personal God, we

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haven't done anything. There's no judgment day. There's no need

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for a savior like Jesus Christ. And to them, Jesus

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life is reincarnation. Well, needless to say that that's almost

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like Hinduism or at New Age theology, and that that

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you can see is completely opposite. So either they're right

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or we're right. And so yeah, that's why it's important.

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And I believe there's more and more people well meeting

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people who are saying, well, maybe we need to listen

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to these beings because look at the crafts that they

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Speaker 3: Well, I know this is very controversial to someone we're

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not here. Let me say this. I'm not here to

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convince anybody out there that yours is the only path

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to this subject matter. But on the same line, I'm

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a Christian and I believe very strongly that without my knowledge,

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my lack of knowledge in the depth of what you

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will bring to the table, I think offers some very

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good insight. And to continue on this, what do space

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aliens and their followers. Teach mentioned a few of them.

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There is no personal creator God, but an impersonal life

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force ruling the universe, and the space aliens are the creators.

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They designed DNA and seated it on the Earth to evolve.

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into whole Darwinism gets into all these different very interesting subjects.

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So in the time that we have with you and

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we're lighting up the phone lines as we would expect

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here with such a very interesting subject. Again, ladies and gentlemen,

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taking a different approach to this. All we continue here

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is about these alien spacecraft. Look, I've studied this. You know,

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you and I have had conversations, right, Derek. Look, I've

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met and had talks and conversations and actually been part

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of doing some deep research the Betty and Barney Hill case.

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Betty Hill, I knew how, and I want to sound redundant,

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I knew how. I'd visit her in somers and look

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at her experience that she had. Travis Walton, a good

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friend here in Arizona. Stanton Friedman, doctor Stanton Friedman, a

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great guy, sadly passed on. But it's so interesting that

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we listened, So let me go right to it. Before

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we even go to the callers, give us in your

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humble opinion and your you know, factual information. What is

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some of the best evidence that we can say from

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the Bible that talks deeply about this connection between other

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spiritual beings or whatever supernatural that they might be. What's

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what's the best symbol of answer that you could give

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this audience one of many.

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Speaker 6: Well, the Bible does talk about supernatural beings. The Bible

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calls them angels. They're also called sons of God or

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watchers or you know whatever, and a stars sometimes. And

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you know, you look at those beings and you see

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how similar these beings that are coming in craft UFO

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craft are like the angels described in the Bible. And

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the Bible clearly talks about the fact that when God created,

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before God created us, he created a whole realm of

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su for natural beings to serve him, and he called

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them angels. And they're very smart, very until it's very powerful,

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and uh, you know, but at one point in time,

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one third of them decided to rebel against their creator,

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and they have been at war with God, with the

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Holy Angels and with us ever since. And if you

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look at this closely, you see that there's that type

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of thing that happened throughout all of history, the ancient

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Egyptian gods. You look at the ancient Egyptian gods that

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fought against Moses and Yahweh or what we believe is

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the Judeo Christian God, you know, and in fact, these

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beings it's like literally if it you know, it's the

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old saying, if it walks like a duck and it's

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quacks like a duck, and it looks like a duck,

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maybe it's a duck. And these beings match exactly what

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a fallen angel would look like, These angels, the angelic beings.

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chapter just looking at what the Holy Angels look like.

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evil spirits are very much like the Holy Angels, except

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as they try to do things that are not good,

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and the Bible says they come to kill, steal, and destroy.

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And I think with Sherlock Holmes or Arthur Colin donohas

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said that once you eliminate the impossible, whatever remains however

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improbable is likely the truth?

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Speaker 3: Yeah, fascinating information here one eight four, eight, nine to two.

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Speaker 6: Two.

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Speaker 3: Let's continue with our conversation, try to get as many

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of our callers in here with their great wisdom and

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also their great commentary. Let's say good morning too online

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one John in Minnesota. You're on with author and filmmaker

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Derek Warfare formal.

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Speaker 13: Thanks for taking the call. One of the very skeptical

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about aliens coming to our planet, for the simple reason

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that a few people talk about, is how the heck

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did they get here? You notice when we when we

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send astronauts into space to the moon and we return,

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they are returned and returned in parachutes splashing into the ocean.

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They somehow, if they are coming from another planet, which

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tied doubt, they have the ability to fly directly through

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the atmosphere and return. So is anybody talking about that?

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How do they get here?

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Speaker 3: Well, it's a very good point that you bring up, Derek.

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Go ahead, you got the You got the floor on

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this here, our guests.

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Speaker 6: Yeah, no, I think you know the same. One of

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the big criticisms that these are in fact coming from

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another planet or another galaxy. I mean, I could I

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could go through the scientific reasons why it's just flat

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out impossible for beings like us carbon based life forms, uh,

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you know, to travel here through interstellar space. But one

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of the things that simply disproves that is that we

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have scientists who are tracking thousands of millions of craft

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out there that are flying, rocks, asteroids, everything, and no

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one has ever been able to track one of these

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coming from outer space into our atmosphere. I mean, they

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will tell you. One of the people we mentioned in

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the film, doctor Harzema, basically says, we've never been able

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to track anything coming from outer space into our atmosphere. Well,

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they obviously had to cross outer space to come into

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our atmosphere, So how did they get here? They just

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seem to appear. And I think the answer is, basically,

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we're not dealing with interstellar objects. We're dealing with interdimensional objects.

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And there's plenty of examples of that in the Bible.

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You're right, how did they get here? I mean, if

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I have a little longer segment, I can talk about

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there's three reasons why they're not coming from another planet.

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One is the Earth is too unique. The other is

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the distances are too great. And thirdly, the possibility of

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life coming about by random chance, which is what evolution demands.

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It's just way too great. So they're not coming from

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another galaxy or not coming from the data reticulous our

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system or alpha centaury. We've never been able to track

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anything coming into our atmosphere from outer space. And so.

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Speaker 3: Yeah, no, it's interesting what you're saying, Derek. But I

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want to give John, if you're still with us, you've

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got to respond an opportunity to respond back any final

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comment or a question that you have.

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Speaker 13: I think that's absolutely right. I mean, these pilots and

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people that have seen things, they're definitely.

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Speaker 6: Hello.

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Speaker 3: So go ahead. I think we lost him, John in Minnesota,

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give it one more try. Did we lose you? Okay,

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we lost him. But I think Derek he was onto

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his belief is after you've responded that you're right.

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Speaker 6: There is one other thing. I mean, there is a

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period having in the book exact here there's some cosmonauts

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at one point who saw some sort of being floitting

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outside of the craft when they were circling the Earth,

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and even our astronauts have mentioned that they saw objects

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that looked that it was hard to define that they

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were buzzing about as they were going through space, So

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there is some sort of sightings, but they do not

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seem to be traveling from the stars or from the

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galaxies to our planet, which is weird because they would

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have to do that to get here. And it's interesting

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to me that even you followgists, people who are committed

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to this philosophy, admit that maybe they have been here

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all long, and there's a lot of theories about that

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that in fact, that maybe this is their home base.

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Speaker 3: Well, you're right, Derek, we don't even know much about

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the under sea, and we look at the moon. Let's say,

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just an object that if you're out now, ladies and gentlemen, seeing,

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depending on where you are, if it's nighttime, the moon

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is either up just past full. We'll go into that later.

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But the interesting thing is we've gone to the surface

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of the Moon, but we know so little. We've mapped

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the moon, even the far side, but we know so

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little about the deepest parts of the ocean and other

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areas underneath the oceans. Who knows, maybe these interdimensional beings

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for whatever reason. And again I can't say I can

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prove it. You can't either, But that's why we have

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you in this particular episode of the Doctor Sky Experience.

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We're doing fine is to be able ladies and gentlemen,

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to bring in another iteration of what research over the time,

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whether you're a Christian or not, We're going to get

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into what more of the Bible might say about revelations,

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not the Book of Revelations, but about this phenomenon here,

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because you don't hear that, Derek, in other programs. Most

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of the time, all we're hearing about is the latest

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UFO cover up, disclosure. We all want disclosure, and again

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I'm not Look, let me say this. I come from

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a science background, okay, observational astronomy. I've gone out not

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breaking tens of thousands of hours and the deepest and

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darkest skies with every single galactic object that you could

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possibly imagine, and I haven't seen but maybe one billion

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to them all. And I can tell you categorically, I

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haven't seen anything really truly that makes me go, oh wow,

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look at that spaceship with the guys with their gals,

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with the big heads and the big eyes. But this

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is a subject that's interesting and defining it from your

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perspective as a Christian and bringing into the whole subject

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here UFOs and God and if you'd like to go

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to Derek's website, it's simply UFOs and godbook dot com.

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That's UFO's and indegodbook dot com. Very interesting stuff. So

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take us to the bottom of the hour if you've

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got about three more minutes. Why, of course this is

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so relevant in other perspectives and other iterations, because everywhere

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you see, everybody wants to have the understanding, hey, wait

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a minute, there's something out there, and whether it's good

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or bad. Tell us more about why this is all

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relevant from your.

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Speaker 6: Perspective, Well, I don't think we're going to see what

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you see in the film Independence, say, like some big

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craft hobbing that's going to start blowing away the White

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House and other things. It seems like it's far more subtle.

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are real, why don't they land on the White House

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law and then say take me to your leader. It

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seems that the strategy here, as the strategy of the

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occult throughout all of history, is far more subtle, you know, basically,

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but it is there is danger. For example, there was

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a report of a craft hovering near the nucular missile

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stripe Malstrom Air Force Base.

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Speaker 3: Very well on this show. Please continue, but you're you're

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right right on the right railroad here.

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Speaker 6: And literally the entire underground controls for the nuclear missiles

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went offline for one hour. I mean that is scary.

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We've got nuclear missiles, we have no control of them

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for one hour. There's reports of craft like it was

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one of the French Craft fighter tips uh that almost

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had a collision with the UFO.

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Speaker 14: Uh.

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Speaker 6: There's other pilots that talk about having near collisions. There's

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a case in I think it was Australia. I know

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it's maybe New Zealand. That basically where there was this

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one first pilot was reporting that he was being sort

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of harassed by a UFO.

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Speaker 3: Do that right?

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Speaker 6: And his craft was never and his ship was never

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heard from. His plane was never heard from again. So

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there is some danger here. It's not like the Independence

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Day movie where they're going to blow go up, you know,

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the Pentagon or something. But they seem to enjoy hurting people,

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and not only just in terms of spaceships or flying saucers,

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but when people have had contact with him, there's a

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lot of danger and people being hurt, like you've done

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this story about Travis Walton. He disappeared for five days.

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What happened to him or.

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Speaker 3: Exactly his story is, Derek, His story is so very powerful.

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Hollywood took the liberty of doing the Fire in the

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sky and that to me, if you watch the end

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part of it, though it's Hollywood, you've seen it. You're

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a filmmaker and other people are not filmmakers and they

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saw it. That literally kind of shocked me when I

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watched that years ago, and I said to myself, Travis,

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knowing him, that's incredible. I mean, you have a lot

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of people that don't believe him at all. But why

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would a man do this? He's a lumberjack, let's say, simple,

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common guy, intelligent guy. Why would he go to all

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this length to tell a story like that? Why? Because

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he can make a lot of money that's never been

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in my opinion, Travis.

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Speaker 6: Oh, it's not. At least there were five other but

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four or five other people with him that saw him

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go up into that craft, and they took live detector

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tests and passed all of them. Because people thought that

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they killed him because there was no old give me

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a break here. Your friend just went up into a spaceship,

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gift me a break, and literally he was disappeared for

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five days. They were going to bring charges against these guys.

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He came back and he explained that literally last thing

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he remembered was this craft flying away. And the bottom

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line is is that you know it's a dangerous thing.

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Now these are isolated incidents, so people you know, it

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goes into the news cycle, and that goes out of

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the news cycle, so you don't think about it. But

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there's I listed at the beginning of the book probably

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about fifty different examples that are hard to explain away

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of maybe they can do this after the break, and we.

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Speaker 3: Need to take that break. Not to get any guests short,

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because in this world there's space and time, the time

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space continuum. It's time for the heartbreak. We'll continue with

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Derek Warfow, an excellent guest in my opinion, I hope

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you would agree. Not everything you may believe, but the

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point of the matter is we open up the many

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mysteries in the theater of the mind. Derek Warfow, author

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and filmmaker. Right after these important announcements.

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Speaker 2: This is the doctor Sky experience always look to the

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sky seventy seven WABC.

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Speaker 1: Now here's Doctor Sky.

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Speaker 10: Like trevels billions of years just so we can watch

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a star say goodbye. But in this darkness, every end,

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it's just the beginning of something beautiful.

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Speaker 3: At thirty three minutes after the hour, we simply are

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all made of start us. We continue with our very

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special guest on the Doctor Sky Experience, Theater of the Mind,

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Derek Warfel, author and filmmaker. Derek, thanks for being with us.

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Let's continue with the callers. They're very popular here, at

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least as they step into the Theater of the Mind.

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Let's go to line number three and say good morning

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to Nick in Virginia. Nick, thanks for your patience. How

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you doing well?

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Speaker 15: Thank you Doctor Sky and Derek. I too have my

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doubts about man getting to Heaven into spaceship, simply because

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it would takes forty years just to get to the

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end of our solar system. And you know, I don't

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know as a film producer, do you know about the

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the movie The Day the Earth Stood Still and the

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hidden meanings in the film?

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Speaker 6: Yes, yes, please yes?

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Speaker 12: Uh?

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Speaker 15: Well, the the scriptwriter Edward North he uh and without

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the consent of the company that produced the film, or

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the the the director that he was. He was putting

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these hidden meanings in the movie that Clatto and Gort

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came down from the heavens and this and the whole

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thing was a metaphoric Jesus uh Clattu came to Earth

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from the heavens, and he had a message for mankind

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to repent or you will be burnt to a charred nothing.

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And he was given. He was resurrected by Gort after

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the humans shot him, and then he took on the

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name Carpenter as a human and was trying to teach

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humanity through his messaging that they need to straighten up

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and fly right.

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Speaker 3: And you're absolutely right. It's amazing the way you say that,

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because it's one of my favorite movies. And Derek, please

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your response, because Nick brings up some very interesting things

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messengers from the heavens with a message of peace in

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this particular case if people haven't seen the movie, But

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tell us more, Derek, this is interesting what Nick is

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are alluding to.

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Speaker 6: Well, I think you're right about the distances. I'm just

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going to cover this briefly. Is that literally that from

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what we can tell right now, just by triangulation, the

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universe is one hundred billion light years wide. Okay, light

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year is the distance light travels in a year, and

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light travels approximately six trillion miles in a year, so

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you know, you start to realize, and even just our

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own galaxy, the Milky Way, it takes one hundred and

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fifty thousand years for the radio signal to get across

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our galaxy traveling at the speed of light, so you

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realize that you know them coming from that type of distance.

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And the closest star to us is Alpha century, four

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point three light years away, or twenty five trillion miles away. Now,

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if you were to take Voyager one, which left our

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atmosphere in the seventies thirty eight thousand miles an hour,

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it would take seventy five thousand years to reach Alpha century,

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which is the closest star. So yeah, it's just very

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not possible that they're coming from another, even the closest star,

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because nothing travels fast than the speed of light. According

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to Einstein, that's a constant. And even if we were

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to travel at one tenth the speed of light, you

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think that there's nothing in space, but there is. There's space, dusts,

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there's chips, there's little rocks. Literally your craft would get

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torn apart before you reach your destination. So they're not

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coming for another star, they're not coming for another star system.

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They're coming for another dimension.

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Speaker 3: And you may it a good point there, Derek, No,

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not to catch you short. What I want to add

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to Nick and the conversation to the entire audience. The

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speed of light is six hundred and seventy million miles

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an hour, and you're absolutely right. Therek about five trillion

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miles you know, to go to one light year distance,

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So it seems improbable unless and again I cannot discount

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it in the world of science that it's impossible, Nor

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are you saying that it's not impossible but more likely

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if you line up all the statistics and science that

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we know. But Nick and Virginia, you an opportunity to

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come back if you have another response to what the

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Derek is saying, go ahead, yes.

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Speaker 15: And I tried to find out if what speed the

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human body will deteriorate, and apparently they're saying that the

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human body can actually go to speed of light as

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long as it's not a quick speed that you know,

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acceleration or a deceleration of any kind, then you're going

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to just you know, like if you hit something in space,

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you're just going to be destroyed.

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Speaker 3: You'd be torn apart. You're absolutely right, and again not

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to be a funny guy. Imagine, I don't have one,

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but a friend of mine does. He sits in his

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tesla plaid and I have. Well, I haven't gotten in it,

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but I know people who haven't. They say zero to

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whatever it does. You might need a chiropractor. Derek and

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Nick because of the instant acceleration. That's another story. But Nick,

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thank you for bringing some perspective to this. And again

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we're not trying to convince people. No apologies from me

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the host, everybody is it. Opinion is important here, and

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we're trying to give better perspective in these two hours

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to what might not be talked about. Derek, you're the

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one doing this, and I salute you. Derek Warvill, author

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and filmmaker. So as we continue on this journey, let

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me ask you a few more questions on this improbable

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in your mind that the capability of alien technology at

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this point over the vast distance of space. Carry on

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the theme before we go to the next break here,

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in about four or five minutes about the possibility of

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this being a more spiritual thing, interdimensional stuff. The mind

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of man doesn't even understand that, so it has to

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be somewhere written in books of the past. How does

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the Bible address this in your opinion, you're the scholar

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on that.

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Speaker 6: Well, the Bible seems to indicate several different angels that

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we see, and probably the easiest one to point to

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is if you remember the Nativity story, the shepherds and

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the hills who are looking at the sky their sheep,

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and all of a sudden there was a host of

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angels singing glory to God. And then a few minute

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a few seconds later, they were all gone, Well what happened?

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Did they just go to Mars or Jupiter or Venus

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or the Zeta ridiculous star system. No, they went from

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one dimension, which is the dimension or in to another dimension.

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For example, say pretend there's six dimensional beings. Okay, they

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can enter three dimensions of space and then go back

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to the sixth dimension, and to us they would seem

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to disappear. Let me give you example. Look at something

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like on your table, some flat table. Imagine you had

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a whole species of beings on a flat table. It

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would be like a projection of a movie or something

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like that, and they're moving around and say you're in

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a third dimension and you come down and touch the table,

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it would look like you disappeared out of nowhere. And

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then you lift your hands off the table, it would

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look to them like you disappeared. You know. That's the thing.

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Is that literally, traveling between dimensions, they could be right

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next to you. This is we talked to an astrophysicist.

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He says, literally, if it's another dimension, they could be

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right next to you if you don't see them. And

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I believe that's true. That literally. We interviewed one person

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in the film, Blake Healy, who basically had the ability

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for some of his childhood years to see these extra

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dimensional beings, and at a certain point when he came

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closer to God, that ability disappeared. But it drove him

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nuts because he could see them. No one else could

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that they were right there, but they were gone. Let

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me give you another example. The Garden of Eden. Okay,

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the Garden of Eden. Basically it says it's near the

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Euphrates River and some of the other rivers, the Tiger

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server that come off of it. And you know, well,

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you can go where these rivers are, and you can

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go up and down the whole length of the thing,

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and you will not find a gateway to the Garden

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of Eden. Well where is it. Well, it's probably right

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there in plain sight and the angel that's guarding the

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but it's in another dimension. You know that you cannot

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enter that dimension. You have lost Adam and Eve lost

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the ability to travel between dimensions. So there's things on

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our earth that may exist in three dimensional space that

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we can't see them because they're in a higher dimension.

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Speaker 3: Yes, times No, you bring up something very fascinating because

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in my world of spirituality, you know, I've lost my

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parents and people out there who've lost loved ones no

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matter what age, we still love them. But it's interesting

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if we think, maybe, and this is just my possibility,

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like to keep positivity that according to physics and those

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that are studying quantum, there may be up words of eleven,

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maybe even twenty two different dimensional planes. And we don't

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give homework on this show, but there's something that people

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might want to look into. It's rather complicated, but I'll

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say it without spelling it. These are called callabi yao, manifolds. Now,

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I know that sounds crazy, like you're thinking of a

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manifold on your vehicle. This is different. It's about dimensional

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planes that exist out there. So what you're saying, Derek

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is very much I in the heart side of the

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whole thing. And to everybody listening, wouldn't it be wonderful

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that those that have departed are not really like trillions

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of light years away? But because our brains do not

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have the capability of absorbing that sad that we can't

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bring them here. But isn't that interesting that in that

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dimensional world. You're right, maybe more of this UFO UAP

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story is that. But we got to take that break.

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And when we come back, just to let our listeners know,

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one eight hundred eight four eight nine two two two

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get you into what we call the theater of the mind.

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We'll come back and we'll go to Tony in New

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Jersey Francis and New York and you, letters and gentlemen,

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don't be shy step into the theater of the mind

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as we call it. To do that, it's simple. Just

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dial one eight hundred eight four eight nine two two

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two and we will be right back.

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Speaker 2: The doctor Sky experience is on the air seventy seven WABC.

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Speaker 1: Now Here's Doctor Sky.

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Speaker 16: Hi.

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Speaker 6: I'm Travis Walton, author of Fire in the Sky and

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my experience as an abductee back in nineteen.

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Speaker 14: Seventy five, and you are listening to the Doctor Sky Show.

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Speaker 3: In the years of the Antichrist, people will expect salvation

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from space. This will be the Devil's greatest trick. Humanity

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will seek help from the aliens, not knowing that they

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are actually demons. In the opinion of Saint Gabriel of

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the Georgian Orthodox Church, who was canonized in twenty twelve,

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a different perspective on the subject that we're talking about

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today and this morning with our guests Derek Warfel, author

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and filmmaker UFOs and God. Let's continue with the callers

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are very popular listening here a very popular guest. We

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go to line four and welcome Tony in New Jersey.

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Good morning, Thank you for your patience.

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Speaker 17: Hi, Doctor Sky. Hi, Derek. I love the topic. I

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wanted to I wanted to say that my viewpoint is

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I always funnel everything through the Word of God and

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what I what I read about was a very powerful

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scripture and if you can just give me two minutes,

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and then I think I'll let you say the rest.

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Speaker 3: Sure.

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Speaker 17: It talks about it'll take two minutes when we get

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ready for the flood. We talk about how Noah prepared

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for the flood because things were so evil at that time.

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And it starts to tell us about when man began.

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This is Genesis Genesis, one of the early chapters, when

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man began to multiply on the face of the land,

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and daughters were born to them. The sons of God

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saw that the daughters of man were attractive, and they

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took as their wives any they chose. And then the

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Lord said, my spirit shall not abide with man forever,

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for his flesh his days are to be years. And

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the film were on earth on those days and also afterwards,

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and there also talks about in other passages of scripture.

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But what's interesting is that then the film were really

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they read somewhere. The name means that they were ancient

715
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champions who made names for themselves, that at some point

716
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they had a different relationship, and then you know, things

717
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happened and they came down to earth. Very interesting, and

718
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so this all makes sense to me. And the last

719
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thing I want to say is that just as the

720
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Catholic Church was always apprehensive about exorcisms, they didn't really

721
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talk about it, they didn't really explain it, and people

722
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just had about it through movies like The Exorcist. This

723
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is the same kind of thing. I think it could

724
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be a mix of beings that just were meant to

725
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be serving God and glorifying God, and then they just

726
00:42:22,880 --> 00:42:25,880
came into a way of their own and you know,

727
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those who are doing bad things to us.

728
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Speaker 1: Yeah, that's amazing anyway.

729
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Speaker 3: In fact, no, you said at Lunton they appreciate your

730
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commentary and your opinion. Derek, this is fascinating as we

731
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dig deeper into this subject. Please continue.

732
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Speaker 6: Yeah, well, I would say, you know, there's a lot

733
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of talk about the Nephi. Lee might have other friends

734
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who are believers who've written books about this. I have

735
00:42:49,039 --> 00:42:52,440
a kind of a unique view on this because I

736
00:42:52,559 --> 00:42:55,280
was confused on this. I heard a sermon by doctor

737
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John MacArthur and all of a sudden this kind of

738
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fell in place for me. And this is read from

739
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you from Genesis six, which is what we're referring to,

740
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says the nephylene were on the earth in those days

741
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and afterwards when the sons of God came to the

742
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daughters of men. In other words, the Nephylene were on

743
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earth before the sons of God came to the daughters

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of men. What that tells me is that the Nephylene

745
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were a human race, just like there's a race of midgets,

746
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there's a race of you know, unique people here and there.

747
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The methylene were giants and they were not. They were

748
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on the earth before the sons of God came down,

749
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and the sons of God or the angels, the fallen angels,

750
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i should say, decided to concentrate on the nephylene and

751
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work with them to raise up the whole. How can

752
00:43:53,239 --> 00:43:58,039
I say tribe of nations that they could control. Now,

753
00:43:58,079 --> 00:44:02,119
think about this, if you're an spirit and you're wanting

754
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to take over the earth, you're not going to go

755
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to the shortest people or the medial people, or the

756
00:44:08,480 --> 00:44:10,960
overweight people. You're going to go to the biggest and

757
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strongest people. Because if you're going to raise an army,

758
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you're going to go to the strongest and biggest and

759
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largest people out there. And there are fossils of human

760
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beings that are twelve feet tall that people will run across,

761
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and they are possibly even taller. I could go into

762
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things before the flood why human race was bigger and

763
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smarter before the flood. But the bottom line is I

764
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do not believe that these are half breed human and angels.

765
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Speaker 3: I think it's interesting there. Yeah, this is interesting and

766
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just to jump in here really quick, this is interesting.

767
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Are the darker side of science fiction? I don't know

768
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if many people have seen it. Maybe many people may

769
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have the movie Prometheus, which is actually somewhere embedded into

770
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the alien not aliens from outer space, but the alien

771
00:44:57,440 --> 00:45:00,840
series like therees a Gorney Weaver alien that also talks

772
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about a race of giants, but they go on another

773
00:45:03,119 --> 00:45:05,519
darker path on this. But the point of the matter

774
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is see how in science fiction, which is cool. You know,

775
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everybody can have their ideas of what monsters and things

776
00:45:11,239 --> 00:45:14,000
might lie out there. But again, focusing on what you're

777
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talking about. The nepheline, that's an interesting I haven't heard

778
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much or even know anything about them. So thanks for

779
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enlightening us and Tony. Always a pleasure to hear what

780
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you have to say about these great subjects with great guests.

781
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Please continue, Derek before we run out of time.

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Speaker 6: Yeah, well, just just going back to Nephelene briefly, is

783
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that because somebody asks Jesus, there's a question that comes

784
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out in another context, and Jesus says that in a

785
00:45:40,199 --> 00:45:43,920
new life, people will be like angels, because angels are

786
00:45:43,960 --> 00:45:47,440
not do not marry and are not given in marriage.

787
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So the idea that these angels are fallen angels actually

788
00:45:53,960 --> 00:45:58,239
pro created with human beings, it's not that case. What

789
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they did, I believe is that they they how can

790
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I say it? They possessed a baby nepheline from birth.

791
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And you know what you see a person who's possessed

792
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by a demon, they are very strong. Can you imagine

793
00:46:15,480 --> 00:46:19,480
if their baby was possessed by it from earth, by

794
00:46:19,519 --> 00:46:22,880
a demon, how that would affect their life and their

795
00:46:22,920 --> 00:46:25,559
ability and their strength. So you have a race of

796
00:46:25,679 --> 00:46:31,519
giants possessed from birth. But the reason is is that

797
00:46:32,000 --> 00:46:34,920
when God created angels, he didn't create them to pro

798
00:46:35,000 --> 00:46:38,519
create like he did human beings. He created them there

799
00:46:38,559 --> 00:46:43,000
was a certain number and that was it. And basically

800
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so they're not. And it's interesting you see in Greek

801
00:46:45,639 --> 00:46:49,519
and Roman geology this idea of half man half gods

802
00:46:50,920 --> 00:46:53,320
that sort of came out of this whole idea of

803
00:46:53,320 --> 00:46:56,960
the nepheline. But that wasn't really a half man, half

804
00:46:57,000 --> 00:47:02,000
god because and another reason is you see pictures of

805
00:47:02,039 --> 00:47:05,159
the grays and the other things, there are no genitals

806
00:47:05,760 --> 00:47:07,519
on these beings exactly.

807
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Speaker 3: It's very strange.

808
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Speaker 6: So their ability to affect a new race is basically

809
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simply what they normally do is possession and God stop that.

810
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Speaker 3: Well, Derek, many people have said this is going into

811
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deeper research. I'm sure many of our listeners can chime

812
00:47:23,800 --> 00:47:26,519
in on this. That many of the so called grays

813
00:47:26,559 --> 00:47:28,800
of the different species that are alleged to be existing

814
00:47:28,800 --> 00:47:31,760
out there in the cosmos, somewhat they I'm visiting us.

815
00:47:32,400 --> 00:47:34,480
Many of them come in three, as they say, look

816
00:47:34,480 --> 00:47:36,639
at the Bernie and Betty Hill situation. Threes are the

817
00:47:36,639 --> 00:47:39,960
people of abductions threes. But here's the important part. You're right,

818
00:47:40,440 --> 00:47:44,039
no genitalia on these grays. But the simple way of

819
00:47:44,079 --> 00:47:47,239
looking at it, many people have hypothesized that they're really

820
00:47:47,760 --> 00:47:51,159
robotic entities, that they're not really the quote entity of

821
00:47:51,199 --> 00:47:54,760
the aliens itself. They're doing the work like we have

822
00:47:54,920 --> 00:47:58,360
robots now Elon Musk and all these companies, that that's

823
00:47:58,400 --> 00:48:02,400
what those messengers are that are transmitting and traveling wherever

824
00:48:02,400 --> 00:48:07,000
they're traveling, however they're doing that transdimensionally or in other ways.

825
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But I don't know. This is just so fascinat but

826
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I want to remind the listeners and we do our

827
00:48:11,320 --> 00:48:13,960
best always to get everybody on the line. Francis in

828
00:48:14,000 --> 00:48:15,800
New York, please stay on if we don't get you

829
00:48:15,840 --> 00:48:18,559
to this hour. Mike in Lower East Side, Frank in

830
00:48:18,599 --> 00:48:21,400
the Bronx, and Jake in Massachusetts will do everything we

831
00:48:21,480 --> 00:48:24,960
can if your patients can hold and continuing to discuss

832
00:48:25,000 --> 00:48:27,280
with us our very special guest in the Theater of

833
00:48:27,280 --> 00:48:30,519
the Mind, Derek warfilm author and filmmaker. Go to his

834
00:48:30,599 --> 00:48:33,320
website to check out no matter what your belief system is,

835
00:48:33,559 --> 00:48:38,239
ufosangodbook dot com, anything else I left out before we

836
00:48:38,280 --> 00:48:40,840
close out Hour number one, ways to get in touch

837
00:48:40,880 --> 00:48:42,960
with you and some exciting things that are coming up

838
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on your agenda schedule.

839
00:48:44,760 --> 00:48:48,559
Speaker 6: Well, just go to the website. There's some podcasts there,

840
00:48:48,639 --> 00:48:52,760
there's some freebies there, some articles that I've written, there's

841
00:48:52,760 --> 00:48:56,920
a trailer for the film. You know, basically, there's a

842
00:48:56,920 --> 00:48:59,039
lot of stuff there. So go there and if you want,

843
00:48:59,079 --> 00:49:01,159
you can pre even you order the book. The book's

844
00:49:01,159 --> 00:49:07,960
coming out July. I'm sorry, July, it's August twenty fist right, yeah,

845
00:49:07,960 --> 00:49:12,199
there you go, so it's not that far away. And yes,

846
00:49:12,400 --> 00:49:14,519
that's what I would say. I would definitely like to

847
00:49:14,559 --> 00:49:16,800
talk a little bit more about the idea of robots.

848
00:49:17,079 --> 00:49:18,639
I've done some research on that.

849
00:49:18,960 --> 00:49:21,400
Speaker 3: Sure, we have plenty of time. Absolutely, Okay, you know

850
00:49:21,480 --> 00:49:23,800
that'd be something that we can get into. We go ahead,

851
00:49:23,800 --> 00:49:25,079
We've got a few more minutes. And I hate the

852
00:49:25,159 --> 00:49:27,400
rush people, but give us your intro to that. I

853
00:49:27,400 --> 00:49:27,880
appreciate it.

854
00:49:28,280 --> 00:49:32,960
Speaker 6: Well, I think you know. The concept is most people

855
00:49:32,960 --> 00:49:37,599
have seen the film Avatar, right, yes, And a friend

856
00:49:37,599 --> 00:49:42,000
that I met, La Marzouli, said that basically the one

857
00:49:42,039 --> 00:49:45,559
thing that hit him was maybe these are avatars in

858
00:49:46,119 --> 00:49:50,159
these these evil spirits do not do well in inhabiting

859
00:49:50,360 --> 00:49:55,519
our three dimensional space. So what they do is they

860
00:49:55,559 --> 00:49:59,119
have created like a what can I call it a

861
00:49:59,159 --> 00:50:04,679
biological suit that they can enter into and maneuver in

862
00:50:04,679 --> 00:50:07,800
our space. For example, we send robots to Mars. We

863
00:50:07,840 --> 00:50:11,599
can't exist on Mars, okay, but we can send a

864
00:50:11,719 --> 00:50:15,840
robot there, control it and study Mars. Of course, in

865
00:50:15,880 --> 00:50:20,360
the film Avatar, you have Jake basically was paraplegic or quadriplegic,

866
00:50:20,599 --> 00:50:23,199
and he couldn't move it all. But they gave him

867
00:50:23,199 --> 00:50:25,920
a robotic body that he could go out and travel

868
00:50:26,000 --> 00:50:30,920
in this planet. And it's entirely possible that that's what

869
00:50:30,920 --> 00:50:33,800
we're seeing. Even in a UFO community, you're hearing this

870
00:50:33,960 --> 00:50:40,760
term saber, which is synthetic. Let's see synthetic autonomous, biological robot.

871
00:50:41,760 --> 00:50:45,760
And I have heard some people, and again this is secondhand,

872
00:50:45,840 --> 00:50:49,000
but there have been people who've been abducted and taken

873
00:50:49,039 --> 00:50:51,920
on these ships and they see almost what looks like

874
00:50:51,960 --> 00:50:56,360
a closet with a bunch of hanging gray skins, so

875
00:50:56,519 --> 00:50:57,559
to speak.

876
00:50:58,679 --> 00:51:04,559
Speaker 3: Robotic suits or some these are robotic entities that you're

877
00:51:04,559 --> 00:51:05,159
talking aboutout.

878
00:51:05,880 --> 00:51:09,679
Speaker 6: Yeah, is there anything in the Bible that would validate that?

879
00:51:10,280 --> 00:51:13,800
And there is. Jesus says that when a demon was

880
00:51:13,880 --> 00:51:18,360
cast out of a person, they travel over waterless spaces

881
00:51:18,920 --> 00:51:21,280
and looking to find some rest, they come back to

882
00:51:21,320 --> 00:51:25,679
the person they were cast out of and enter that person. Again, Well,

883
00:51:25,880 --> 00:51:28,559
what is the waterless space? I mean, sixty percent of

884
00:51:28,559 --> 00:51:32,039
our bodies are water Okay, And if you remember when

885
00:51:32,159 --> 00:51:35,920
Jesus was going to cast out a demon from the demons,

886
00:51:36,360 --> 00:51:40,159
from the Garandine demoniac. They begged him send us into

887
00:51:40,199 --> 00:51:43,039
the pig, Send us into the pigs. They seem to

888
00:51:43,199 --> 00:51:50,360
need like a biological suit to comfortably exist in our realm.

889
00:51:50,679 --> 00:51:54,360
Now hoping angels don't have that problem, but fallen angels

890
00:51:54,440 --> 00:51:57,719
may have lost the ability to manifest in our three

891
00:51:57,760 --> 00:52:01,880
dimensional space without some sort of biological suit. And there's

892
00:52:01,920 --> 00:52:05,360
one other thing that proves that too, is that the

893
00:52:05,480 --> 00:52:10,679
people who studied these grays say that they will die. Well,

894
00:52:11,519 --> 00:52:13,000
angels don't die.

895
00:52:13,280 --> 00:52:15,280
Speaker 3: And we got to take that break. Derek, You're on

896
00:52:15,360 --> 00:52:18,360
a good role here more with Derek warfel back as

897
00:52:18,400 --> 00:52:21,119
we manage the time space continue in one, eight four,

898
00:52:21,119 --> 00:52:23,800
eight nine, two to two two. How fast an hour

899
00:52:23,880 --> 00:52:27,000
goes when you have great guests and amazing callers with

900
00:52:27,119 --> 00:52:29,760
the concept of what's going on in the universe. The

901
00:52:29,800 --> 00:52:34,000
author Derek Warville UFOs and God a biblical perspective that

902
00:52:34,119 --> 00:52:37,199
might have some answers as we do deep research about

903
00:52:37,199 --> 00:52:39,320
the mysteries around us. We'll be right back.

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Speaker 1: Always look to the sky.

905
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908
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Speaker 3: Welcome to your weekend, and for many let our listening live.

909
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Welcome to August twenty twenty six, right here from the Powerhouse,

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A show if you're listening to us regularly you know,

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opens up our minds about the mysteries of the universe,

917
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918
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it a theater of the mine. And we wouldn't be

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921
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four eight nine two two two. And in this special

922
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adventure on the Doctor Sky Experience, we're speaking with Derek Warfol,

923
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author and filmmaker of a book that takes a more

924
00:53:54,719 --> 00:53:59,559
biblical approach to the mystery of UAPs, UFOs, UFOs and God.

925
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But before we do that, a quick interlude as we

926
00:54:03,119 --> 00:54:05,199
break from the normal topics and talk a little bit

927
00:54:05,199 --> 00:54:07,480
about some amazing things that are happening in the heavens

928
00:54:08,079 --> 00:54:11,360
get set for a Falcon nine rocket booster that's going

929
00:54:11,400 --> 00:54:14,599
to be impacting on the Moon that occurs August the

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fifth at two thirty five a m. Eastern daylight time

931
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are Pacific daylight time friends, eleven thirty five pm on

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August fourth. It is about a sixty foot long rocket

933
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booster that launched previous spacecraft to the Moon intentionally slammed

934
00:54:28,760 --> 00:54:31,519
into the Moon. To see what happens when something that

935
00:54:31,599 --> 00:54:34,239
big in that size, it could theoretically be visible and

936
00:54:34,320 --> 00:54:37,599
small telescopes that, of course you'll have to check out

937
00:54:37,639 --> 00:54:40,360
if you just check out the headline and google Falcon

938
00:54:40,440 --> 00:54:43,920
nine booster rocket impacting the Moon. And in August we

939
00:54:44,000 --> 00:54:46,480
get as the beginning of August one of the great

940
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meteor showers of the entire year, the Perseods. And for

941
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those fortunate enough to be on the other side of

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the globe, on the twelfth of August, starting from Iceland,

943
00:54:55,159 --> 00:54:58,199
portions of Greenland and down off the areas of the

944
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coast of Spain, another of the total solar eclipses. Let's

945
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continue with our very special guest that we continue by

946
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going to the phone lines, and we welcome on line

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one Francis and New York. You've been patient here on

948
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with Derek warfol How are you.

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Speaker 11: Hi there.

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Speaker 17: I'm not in New York anymore. I'm in Arizona. But

951
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this has been very interesting listening to this because of

952
00:55:25,920 --> 00:55:32,760
some experiences I've had over the years, and under anesthesia,

953
00:55:32,840 --> 00:55:38,559
I took an amazing trip and I didn't see God,

954
00:55:38,639 --> 00:55:41,880
but I heard God and what he told me, And

955
00:55:42,679 --> 00:55:46,000
someday I'll get it all to you. But I do

956
00:55:46,119 --> 00:55:51,159
feel that we have spiritual beings around us, and I

957
00:55:51,239 --> 00:55:55,800
think this split came from jealousy when an angel wanted

958
00:55:55,840 --> 00:56:03,960
more power, and then it became angry and evil, and

959
00:56:04,000 --> 00:56:08,239
that separated the good from the bad. And so we

960
00:56:08,400 --> 00:56:12,519
deal with that today. But there's so many, so much

961
00:56:12,880 --> 00:56:17,039
stuff that's happening that's going on now that's so evil

962
00:56:17,119 --> 00:56:20,079
in the world. It's like people need to wake up

963
00:56:20,119 --> 00:56:24,559
and realize where do they want to be forever? Do

964
00:56:24,599 --> 00:56:27,159
they want to be with God or do they want

965
00:56:27,199 --> 00:56:28,519
to be in an evil place?

966
00:56:29,400 --> 00:56:33,280
Speaker 3: Absolutely couldn't agree more Francis, And I'm sure Derek, you

967
00:56:33,360 --> 00:56:35,800
have a lot of inspiration to add to what Francis

968
00:56:35,840 --> 00:56:36,159
just said.

969
00:56:36,199 --> 00:56:41,599
Speaker 6: I'm sure, oh absolutely. I think you know. The point

970
00:56:41,719 --> 00:56:48,320
is that our consciousness will survive death. We live in

971
00:56:48,360 --> 00:56:50,880
a body, and we have a body that one day

972
00:56:52,239 --> 00:56:57,360
we will be resurrected. Everyone will the good and the evil.

973
00:56:57,519 --> 00:57:00,800
Jesus talks about that, but the evil will go to tradition,

974
00:57:01,159 --> 00:57:03,519
and the good will go to those who know, who

975
00:57:03,519 --> 00:57:08,199
have accepted Jesus will go to be in heaven. And

976
00:57:08,239 --> 00:57:13,320
the important thing is you need Jesus says himself, I

977
00:57:13,360 --> 00:57:17,920
am the way, the truth, and the life. It's almost

978
00:57:17,920 --> 00:57:19,599
like it's not a car that's going to get there,

979
00:57:19,639 --> 00:57:22,000
it's not a spaceship that's going to get there. It's

980
00:57:22,119 --> 00:57:25,719
Jesus himself. And if you get to know Jesus, you

981
00:57:25,800 --> 00:57:29,960
will be with him in heaven. And so that's the

982
00:57:30,000 --> 00:57:33,440
thing I encourage everybody who's listening. If you've never accepted Jesus,

983
00:57:33,960 --> 00:57:36,199
you need to do it. You need to basically stop

984
00:57:36,280 --> 00:57:39,559
following your own desires and follow the one who created

985
00:57:39,639 --> 00:57:42,880
you and you know, to give you the most full

986
00:57:43,000 --> 00:57:46,440
and complete life and protect you from evil. The one

987
00:57:46,440 --> 00:57:48,159
thing I want to get back to here that you've

988
00:57:48,159 --> 00:57:53,239
mentioned is about the spirits. The apostle John says, test

989
00:57:53,280 --> 00:57:56,920
the spirits because not every spirit is from God. And

990
00:57:57,280 --> 00:58:00,360
you've got to beware. And there's two major tess that

991
00:58:00,440 --> 00:58:02,760
the Bible gives us. How do we know if this

992
00:58:02,840 --> 00:58:06,000
is an evil spirit that's deceiving us, or a holy

993
00:58:06,039 --> 00:58:09,639
spirit or a good spirit. The first test is the

994
00:58:09,679 --> 00:58:12,880
test of doctrine, the teaching of the spirits. If the

995
00:58:12,960 --> 00:58:16,880
spirits deny God's existence and say that they see to

996
00:58:17,000 --> 00:58:19,239
us here, if they deny that Jesus is the son

997
00:58:19,280 --> 00:58:23,599
of God. The apostle Paul says, if someone else comes

998
00:58:23,599 --> 00:58:26,800
and teaches a different gospel, or even if we came

999
00:58:26,840 --> 00:58:30,000
and taught the different gospel, even if an angel came

1000
00:58:30,039 --> 00:58:32,960
and taught a different gospel, let him be a cursed

1001
00:58:33,599 --> 00:58:36,360
And the gospel Paul teaches is very clear in First

1002
00:58:36,360 --> 00:58:40,719
Corinthians fifteen that Jesus came, he died for our sins,

1003
00:58:40,719 --> 00:58:44,719
who was resurrected, and you know he appeared to more

1004
00:58:44,840 --> 00:58:49,239
people after that. If you believe and follow Jesus, that's

1005
00:58:49,280 --> 00:58:51,800
the main thing. The second test is the one Jesus

1006
00:58:51,880 --> 00:58:55,800
gives us. He says, you'll know them by their fruits.

1007
00:58:56,280 --> 00:58:59,639
A bad tree can't produce good fruit. So if you

1008
00:58:59,639 --> 00:59:01,599
look at the fruits, and what are the fruits of

1009
00:59:01,639 --> 00:59:05,320
these these space beings? The fruits are. They hurt people.

1010
00:59:05,639 --> 00:59:08,519
They take someone like Travis Walton, they destroy their lives.

1011
00:59:08,760 --> 00:59:11,719
We have people in our film whose lives have been

1012
00:59:11,760 --> 00:59:15,239
completely destroyed by these people. They share their faith, they

1013
00:59:15,360 --> 00:59:19,280
destroyed their finances, their family, their health, and of course

1014
00:59:19,280 --> 00:59:20,960
they say to you, oh, we're not going to hurt you,

1015
00:59:21,079 --> 00:59:23,880
and then they hurt you. You know, so that there's

1016
00:59:23,920 --> 00:59:26,719
a sense in which you look at what they do

1017
00:59:27,559 --> 00:59:32,000
and look at the fruits, and the fruits are bad.

1018
00:59:32,480 --> 00:59:35,519
You look at the teaching. The teaching is bad. This

1019
00:59:35,599 --> 00:59:39,320
is not a holy spirit, This is not a good angel.

1020
00:59:39,400 --> 00:59:40,760
This is an evil angel.

1021
00:59:41,760 --> 00:59:44,199
Speaker 3: Well, thank you for that perspective. And Francis, thank you

1022
00:59:44,239 --> 00:59:47,079
for being part of our show. Here now just guy

1023
00:59:47,119 --> 00:59:49,559
experience has heard around the world, around the world and

1024
00:59:49,679 --> 00:59:52,800
want even out into the Usmart Universe and Cosmos. Thank

1025
00:59:52,840 --> 00:59:56,039
you Francis for being part of our program. Let's continue

1026
00:59:56,039 --> 00:59:58,400
with the callers. They've been very patient. Line number two,

1027
00:59:58,480 --> 01:00:00,760
Mike in the Lower East Side. Morning, you're on with

1028
01:00:00,840 --> 01:00:02,400
Derek Warpin wing to your patients.

1029
01:00:02,480 --> 01:00:06,639
Speaker 16: Go ahead, Good morning, Doctor's guy and Derek. Yeah, there's

1030
01:00:06,679 --> 01:00:09,840
there's you know, Jesus Christ, I think said I'm going

1031
01:00:09,920 --> 01:00:13,079
to come back like don't look for signs. Who wonders

1032
01:00:13,159 --> 01:00:14,159
I'm going to come back.

1033
01:00:14,440 --> 01:00:16,880
Speaker 18: I think his second coming like a thief in the night,

1034
01:00:17,000 --> 01:00:17,960
so be ready.

1035
01:00:17,760 --> 01:00:17,920
Speaker 17: You know.

1036
01:00:18,639 --> 01:00:22,199
Speaker 18: Uh, but there's one story in a Bible where, you know,

1037
01:00:22,360 --> 01:00:26,079
speaking about molecular structure, how Jesus Christ was able to

1038
01:00:26,199 --> 01:00:29,440
change his molecular structure, will walks the walls and stuff

1039
01:00:29,480 --> 01:00:32,880
like that. And uh, there's one story in a Bible

1040
01:00:33,400 --> 01:00:37,440
where King wanted Israel churse, so he goes to a

1041
01:00:37,480 --> 01:00:40,519
prophet I think his name was Elijah. So he takes

1042
01:00:40,599 --> 01:00:43,079
his donkey and he goes he's going to Israel, and

1043
01:00:43,159 --> 01:00:48,079
all of a sudden, the donkey stopped, and the guy

1044
01:00:48,119 --> 01:00:51,199
that with the prophet started whipping the donkey. So the

1045
01:00:51,320 --> 01:00:54,719
donkey speaks to him and says, why you hit me?

1046
01:00:54,800 --> 01:00:57,800
He speaking to him in language, and he's why you're

1047
01:00:57,840 --> 01:01:01,880
hitting me? And then all of a sudden, the angel appeared.

1048
01:01:02,199 --> 01:01:05,119
First it appeared to the donkey, so that's why he stopped.

1049
01:01:05,400 --> 01:01:10,199
But then he appeared to the prophet you know, I

1050
01:01:10,199 --> 01:01:13,800
think it was Elijah, and uh, and and then he

1051
01:01:14,199 --> 01:01:17,679
realized that he wasn't going to go on curse Israel.

1052
01:01:17,760 --> 01:01:21,360
So yeah, you know, uh, but uh, there's one other

1053
01:01:21,480 --> 01:01:24,719
things that I think we're made out of the image

1054
01:01:24,760 --> 01:01:27,880
of God. You know, Jesus Christ was God. And when

1055
01:01:27,920 --> 01:01:32,559
we have the power over angels to command Satan in

1056
01:01:32,639 --> 01:01:34,760
the name of Jesus Christ, the leavers. So if you're

1057
01:01:34,760 --> 01:01:37,800
getting attacked, and you can prove it to yourself, if

1058
01:01:37,800 --> 01:01:41,760
you're getting attacked and attacked and attacked from the from

1059
01:01:41,800 --> 01:01:45,440
the morning tonight, and you got to know it's coming

1060
01:01:45,480 --> 01:01:49,039
from an evil, evil spirit. So and you say, in

1061
01:01:49,079 --> 01:01:52,239
the name of Jesus Christ, I command you Satan to leave,

1062
01:01:54,119 --> 01:01:58,920
Eric or doctor skuy At once you could feel Satan

1063
01:01:59,079 --> 01:02:01,880
leaving your body, so you could prove it to yourself. Man,

1064
01:02:01,920 --> 01:02:04,480
God is real, Jesus Christ in real life. I've been

1065
01:02:04,519 --> 01:02:05,920
through it all. I tried to well, it was a

1066
01:02:06,079 --> 01:02:08,920
quazy bike in my life, my whole life, and I've

1067
01:02:08,920 --> 01:02:10,360
found the Lord Jesus Christ.

1068
01:02:10,400 --> 01:02:13,840
Speaker 3: Man, God, blessings to you. Mike. Your story is very,

1069
01:02:13,960 --> 01:02:17,239
very impacting, Derek. How could anything that Mike's saying not

1070
01:02:17,400 --> 01:02:19,360
be powerful? I mean it's just so incredible.

1071
01:02:19,360 --> 01:02:22,519
Speaker 6: There you go, well, no, he's absolutely right. He talks

1072
01:02:22,599 --> 01:02:25,519
about actually the prophet Balem who was kind of a

1073
01:02:25,519 --> 01:02:29,159
false prophet, and this king had hired him to go

1074
01:02:29,199 --> 01:02:33,239
and curse Israel, and he was riding a donkey, and

1075
01:02:34,039 --> 01:02:38,639
the donkeys saw what Balem could not see, that there

1076
01:02:38,719 --> 01:02:42,119
was a literally angel standing in his path who would

1077
01:02:42,199 --> 01:02:44,599
destroy the donkey. And the donkey kid going off to

1078
01:02:44,639 --> 01:02:47,159
the side, and Balem beat the donkey, said why are

1079
01:02:47,199 --> 01:02:50,280
you doing this? And you're right first time in history.

1080
01:02:51,320 --> 01:02:55,159
The donkey spoke and said, take a good look. Well,

1081
01:02:55,199 --> 01:02:58,320
I'd say we probably believe. There's a lot of donkeys

1082
01:02:58,320 --> 01:03:02,280
that still speak today, but they they wear a political garb.

1083
01:03:02,679 --> 01:03:06,800
But the bottom line is that the donkey could see

1084
01:03:06,840 --> 01:03:11,119
this invisible being here is possibly another dimension and the

1085
01:03:11,199 --> 01:03:16,079
same thing. There's other examples. Elijah himself woke up one morning.

1086
01:03:16,119 --> 01:03:19,000
His servant woke up and looked to the hills, and

1087
01:03:19,039 --> 01:03:23,400
you saw this whole host of foreign army ready to

1088
01:03:23,480 --> 01:03:27,280
come and take you know, Elijah and his servants and

1089
01:03:27,360 --> 01:03:30,519
beat them up. And they were scared. And the servant said,

1090
01:03:30,519 --> 01:03:32,639
what are we going to do? And Elijah said, Lord

1091
01:03:32,679 --> 01:03:36,360
opened his eyes. And he opened his eyes and he

1092
01:03:36,480 --> 01:03:40,280
saw behind this whole army there was a host of angels.

1093
01:03:41,000 --> 01:03:44,599
And he realized, oh my gosh, they're there. I didn't

1094
01:03:44,639 --> 01:03:47,199
see them. And this gets back to the dimensional thing.

1095
01:03:47,880 --> 01:03:50,639
Let me I didn't get to that earlier. But think

1096
01:03:50,679 --> 01:03:53,719
about this a second. We know that with one eye

1097
01:03:53,760 --> 01:03:58,519
you can see two dimensions, right, but you can't see

1098
01:03:58,559 --> 01:04:01,480
the third dimension with one eye. It appears just to

1099
01:04:01,519 --> 01:04:04,400
be flat. But when you have two eyes, you can

1100
01:04:04,480 --> 01:04:10,320
perceive a third dimensional distance. Well, here's the philosophy. Suppose

1101
01:04:10,880 --> 01:04:14,039
you see the creatures in the Bible, angels that have

1102
01:04:14,760 --> 01:04:18,840
many eyes. You know, maybe if you had four eyes

1103
01:04:19,400 --> 01:04:22,920
you could see another dimension. You know. I don't know,

1104
01:04:23,079 --> 01:04:26,360
But the bottom line is that we can only see

1105
01:04:26,440 --> 01:04:30,840
three dimensions. But maybe God can give us the ability

1106
01:04:30,920 --> 01:04:35,559
to see more than three dimensions. And I'm trying to

1107
01:04:35,559 --> 01:04:37,480
think of some of the other things he said about

1108
01:04:38,320 --> 01:04:41,639
the seas in the night. He's absolutely right that, you

1109
01:04:41,679 --> 01:04:44,480
know I talked to before about Jesus said, I am

1110
01:04:44,519 --> 01:04:47,760
the Way, the Truth, and the life. When he comes

1111
01:04:47,800 --> 01:04:51,679
back again, he will take those people who believe in

1112
01:04:51,800 --> 01:04:54,920
him to be with him. But if you're not, if

1113
01:04:54,960 --> 01:05:00,320
you haven't believed in him, the words are pretty us.

1114
01:05:00,400 --> 01:05:02,280
I mean it says when the Lord Jesus will be

1115
01:05:02,360 --> 01:05:06,199
repealed from heaven with its mighty angels and inflaming fires

1116
01:05:06,719 --> 01:05:10,880
that he will basically, you know, purse all those who

1117
01:05:10,920 --> 01:05:14,599
have rejected him and do not obey his gospel. So

1118
01:05:14,800 --> 01:05:17,920
you absolutely should be ready because there won't be a

1119
01:05:18,000 --> 01:05:20,519
lot of warning. It'll just come very rapidly.

1120
01:05:20,960 --> 01:05:22,119
Speaker 11: And so Mike, thank.

1121
01:05:21,960 --> 01:05:23,880
Speaker 3: You in the lower east side. Not to cut everybody

1122
01:05:23,880 --> 01:05:26,400
short here, but wow, you're really lighting up the phone

1123
01:05:26,440 --> 01:05:28,679
lines and that's an indication to me as the host

1124
01:05:29,119 --> 01:05:32,880
that obviously it's a powerful subject. We'll continue on line

1125
01:05:32,960 --> 01:05:35,119
number three. We say hello and good morning to Frank

1126
01:05:35,159 --> 01:05:37,679
and the Bronx. You've been patient. You're on with Derek Warvill.

1127
01:05:38,559 --> 01:05:41,079
Speaker 12: Hey, I'm sid hey de. Look, so a couple of

1128
01:05:41,159 --> 01:05:45,159
days in all those against the devil, so God say

1129
01:05:45,239 --> 01:05:49,519
the universe to pray, science, the US three world and

1130
01:05:49,559 --> 01:05:53,039
the villains run with it. So today we tend to

1131
01:05:53,039 --> 01:05:57,119
think about what's possible now, like for the next few years.

1132
01:05:57,159 --> 01:06:00,719
And when you think about the clumble world, things sound

1133
01:06:01,039 --> 01:06:05,599
sam to us because it's hard to comprehend what's possible.

1134
01:06:09,679 --> 01:06:16,639
My speed, it's possible, stiric impossible. In the CLUSM world,

1135
01:06:16,800 --> 01:06:25,599
w had w Steed and I believe that the Many

1136
01:06:25,960 --> 01:06:28,039
station I don't have the land on it on Earth

1137
01:06:29,039 --> 01:06:32,840
by now, and you're not understand their meaning is ahead

1138
01:06:32,840 --> 01:06:35,639
of us. Don't know how many. They're ahead of us

1139
01:06:35,679 --> 01:06:39,559
by a lot, and so teleportation is not a particular

1140
01:06:39,639 --> 01:06:43,239
thing to think about. They can be in it and

1141
01:06:43,360 --> 01:06:49,079
teleport themselves. Doctors, they're let's be and we'll sell wherever

1142
01:06:49,119 --> 01:06:49,639
they are.

1143
01:06:49,920 --> 01:06:53,239
Speaker 3: So mm hmm, Well, Frank, you bring up some good points.

1144
01:06:53,280 --> 01:06:56,000
But again it sounds like your phone, no, no disrespect

1145
01:06:56,079 --> 01:06:58,440
to you is suffering from the solar flar effect there.

1146
01:06:58,480 --> 01:07:00,559
But Derek, I don't know if you heard much of

1147
01:07:00,599 --> 01:07:02,159
what Frank was saying there. If you want to tell

1148
01:07:02,280 --> 01:07:02,719
I didn't.

1149
01:07:02,840 --> 01:07:05,440
Speaker 6: I didn't get a lot. He said. I think something

1150
01:07:05,440 --> 01:07:09,320
about what's possible and what's not possible, right, I think

1151
01:07:09,400 --> 01:07:11,960
I apologize Frank. I really tried to. There's a lot

1152
01:07:12,000 --> 01:07:14,159
of clicking and it was kind of rough.

1153
01:07:14,719 --> 01:07:17,480
Speaker 3: Frank. Really, I appreciate you, my brother for being part

1154
01:07:17,519 --> 01:07:20,119
of the show, just that we obviously had difficulty timing

1155
01:07:20,199 --> 01:07:21,719
hearing you. I don't know what it is. We're hearing

1156
01:07:21,760 --> 01:07:24,159
a lot of clicks in a lot of calls. Well,

1157
01:07:24,239 --> 01:07:25,719
we'll try to investigate what it is.

1158
01:07:25,760 --> 01:07:28,880
Speaker 6: But well I would say this, I mean, it gets back,

1159
01:07:29,119 --> 01:07:31,920
it gets back to you. Know, there's a quote again

1160
01:07:32,000 --> 01:07:35,679
I mentioned this maybe before from Arthur Conlin Doyle, the

1161
01:07:36,159 --> 01:07:39,599
guy who was the Road about Sherlock Holmes, and there

1162
01:07:39,639 --> 01:07:42,119
was a dictum that he said. He says, once you

1163
01:07:42,199 --> 01:07:48,559
eliminate the impossible, whatever remains, however improbable, is probably what's true,

1164
01:07:49,280 --> 01:07:53,119
you know. So, I mean, the thing is, when you're

1165
01:07:53,159 --> 01:07:58,039
dealing with these areas of spiritual things, you can't always

1166
01:07:58,159 --> 01:08:02,000
nail everything exactly. God hasn't told us everything we'd like

1167
01:08:02,079 --> 01:08:05,159
to know. But what I try to do in the

1168
01:08:05,199 --> 01:08:08,920
book is I try to eliminate the impossible, and once

1169
01:08:09,039 --> 01:08:12,519
that's out of the way, then you have a good

1170
01:08:12,679 --> 01:08:18,000
overview of what is really probable. And frankly, the idea

1171
01:08:18,159 --> 01:08:22,239
that these are that we can travel fast than the

1172
01:08:22,279 --> 01:08:25,479
speed of light, that we can do these other things,

1173
01:08:26,000 --> 01:08:29,960
I think that they're not possible. And you can tell

1174
01:08:30,880 --> 01:08:34,560
that these are not holy angels, they're not good spirits

1175
01:08:34,600 --> 01:08:39,039
by what they do and what they teach, and they

1176
01:08:39,159 --> 01:08:42,720
hurt people. I mean, it's interesting in the film Disclosure Day,

1177
01:08:43,239 --> 01:08:45,159
you know, it seems like the only people who got

1178
01:08:45,239 --> 01:08:52,239
hurt were the space aliens. In reality, we have countless

1179
01:08:52,239 --> 01:08:55,199
examples in the book and in our film where it's

1180
01:08:55,199 --> 01:08:58,239
the humans that get hurt by these beings who say

1181
01:08:58,279 --> 01:08:59,760
we're not going to hurt you, and then they do

1182
01:09:00,159 --> 01:09:01,880
perform experiments on you.

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Speaker 3: Right, And we don't want to scare people. I mean, look,

1184
01:09:04,079 --> 01:09:06,199
we don't want to scare people. These are the opinions

1185
01:09:06,199 --> 01:09:08,720
of our guests. These are the opinions of people out there.

1186
01:09:08,760 --> 01:09:10,920
But again, as the host, I want to kind of

1187
01:09:10,960 --> 01:09:13,439
formulate this and focus it a little more with a laser.

1188
01:09:13,720 --> 01:09:15,880
And you're doing fine, and so are the callers. It

1189
01:09:16,039 --> 01:09:17,520
is that I want to get to more of your

1190
01:09:17,600 --> 01:09:22,039
experiences about different times in the Bible that we could

1191
01:09:22,079 --> 01:09:26,119
actually relate to about these mysteries, because the UFO phenomenon

1192
01:09:26,159 --> 01:09:29,159
is just not an eighty year old situation. But let's

1193
01:09:29,199 --> 01:09:31,439
continue as time permits here with as many of the

1194
01:09:31,479 --> 01:09:33,239
callers as we can get on in what we call

1195
01:09:33,319 --> 01:09:36,640
the Theater of the Mind. Line number five, Jake in Massachusetts,

1196
01:09:36,640 --> 01:09:38,720
you've been patient. Good morning, Thank you, you're on the air.

1197
01:09:39,760 --> 01:09:43,479
Speaker 11: Good morning, doctor Sky, and good morning the guest. I

1198
01:09:43,520 --> 01:09:45,840
wanted to ask you that either one of you have

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01:09:46,199 --> 01:09:49,520
followed the career of doctor Donald Hoffman from California. The

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01:09:49,560 --> 01:09:51,479
scientists from California, I.

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Speaker 3: Have not, sir, But I don't know, Derek.

1202
01:09:53,279 --> 01:09:56,479
Speaker 6: Have you I don't, But tell me a little bit please,

1203
01:09:56,560 --> 01:09:58,159
No I have, I don't. Yeah.

1204
01:09:58,199 --> 01:10:01,159
Speaker 11: Well, for the past forty years studying the nature of

1205
01:10:01,239 --> 01:10:06,560
reality through actual scientific experiments, not not religious experiments, and

1206
01:10:06,560 --> 01:10:09,640
he's come to he's written several books on the nature

1207
01:10:09,680 --> 01:10:13,159
of reality, and he's come to the conclusion that as

1208
01:10:13,239 --> 01:10:17,039
human beings, one of the chances that we see reality

1209
01:10:17,079 --> 01:10:19,520
as it really is, and he said it's zero percent,

1210
01:10:19,600 --> 01:10:21,880
and he's quite fractual about it in his books and

1211
01:10:22,079 --> 01:10:25,960
his zero percent. Now, I'm going to tie this in.

1212
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I'm sure both of you have heard about neo death experiences.

1213
01:10:29,000 --> 01:10:31,079
Speaker 3: Correct, Yes, I've met many who've had them.

1214
01:10:31,119 --> 01:10:31,479
Speaker 6: I have not.

1215
01:10:31,840 --> 01:10:33,720
Speaker 3: But what about you, Derek, you have ever had one?

1216
01:10:33,760 --> 01:10:33,960
Speaker 6: Or no?

1217
01:10:34,039 --> 01:10:34,600
Speaker 3: People love that.

1218
01:10:35,520 --> 01:10:37,560
Speaker 6: I've never had a near death experience. I've study a

1219
01:10:37,600 --> 01:10:39,720
little bit about it and read a lot about people

1220
01:10:39,720 --> 01:10:40,600
who've gone through that.

1221
01:10:40,720 --> 01:10:45,960
Speaker 11: Yes, I haven't had either, Derek. But I've heard maybe

1222
01:10:46,199 --> 01:10:50,119
five hundred near death experiences. And they're not they're not dreams,

1223
01:10:50,119 --> 01:10:53,319
they're not they're not fantasies. They are actual experiences like

1224
01:10:53,359 --> 01:10:56,560
you and I are talking right now. And these experiences

1225
01:10:56,640 --> 01:10:59,199
tie in I believe not. The doctor Donald Hoffman has

1226
01:10:59,199 --> 01:11:01,520
said this, but he said that since we don't see

1227
01:11:01,600 --> 01:11:05,239
reality as it is, he's trying to uncover the real

1228
01:11:05,399 --> 01:11:09,479
nature of reality. And he says he's around seventy years

1229
01:11:09,479 --> 01:11:12,439
old now, he's been studying this in a mathematical way

1230
01:11:12,479 --> 01:11:15,359
for forty years. And a lot of scientists have jumped

1231
01:11:15,359 --> 01:11:18,439
on board and his writings and have joined him and

1232
01:11:18,520 --> 01:11:22,920
agrained that what he said was evolution. The evolution was

1233
01:11:22,920 --> 01:11:26,159
for physical fitness for the survival of the species, and

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01:11:26,199 --> 01:11:29,159
it got in the way of us seeing really reality

1235
01:11:29,199 --> 01:11:31,640
what do you want to call it, spiritual reality or whatever.

1236
01:11:31,720 --> 01:11:34,840
It got in the way of human beings seeing reality.

1237
01:11:35,119 --> 01:11:38,039
And it's fascinating. And he's been on a lot of

1238
01:11:38,399 --> 01:11:42,239
interview shows and podcasts, and many many scientists have signed

1239
01:11:42,279 --> 01:11:45,680
on to him as doctor Robert Lanzer of MIT, and

1240
01:11:45,920 --> 01:11:47,199
many many other scientists have.

1241
01:11:47,560 --> 01:11:49,640
Speaker 3: Well, Jake, would you do me a personal favor of

1242
01:11:49,720 --> 01:11:53,479
my email here just Drsky at WABC radio dot com

1243
01:11:53,479 --> 01:11:55,680
if you don't mind at your convenience, if you just

1244
01:11:55,680 --> 01:11:57,359
send me an email. I don't have the ability to

1245
01:11:57,399 --> 01:11:59,600
write everything right down here and take time away from

1246
01:11:59,600 --> 01:12:02,359
our guests, and of course the callers. But what you're

1247
01:12:02,399 --> 01:12:05,960
saying is fascinating because again my relationship with doctor Rodgrid

1248
01:12:05,960 --> 01:12:09,479
Mitchell of Apollo fourteen, without going too much and be verbose,

1249
01:12:10,000 --> 01:12:12,159
he was obviously somebody that had the out of body

1250
01:12:12,159 --> 01:12:15,479
experience to the moon and back laughed at by many

1251
01:12:15,520 --> 01:12:18,159
of his Apollo comrades. But the big thing is his

1252
01:12:18,720 --> 01:12:21,720
involvement with the Noetic Institute and what he called the

1253
01:12:21,800 --> 01:12:25,479
quantum hologram relates a lot to what you're talking about, Jake. Derek.

1254
01:12:25,760 --> 01:12:28,119
Sorry to cut you for short on that, but isn't

1255
01:12:28,159 --> 01:12:30,800
that fascinating what Jake's bringing up about consciousness?

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Speaker 6: Oh? Yeah, No, absolutely. I wouldn't say that we have

1257
01:12:35,800 --> 01:12:38,800
no notion of reality. I would just say it's incomplete.

1258
01:12:39,640 --> 01:12:42,680
We have certainly a notion that when you see a

1259
01:12:42,720 --> 01:12:46,359
red light, you don't cross the street, okay, But there's

1260
01:12:46,359 --> 01:12:49,800
so much more that we don't see, you know. It's like,

1261
01:12:51,640 --> 01:12:54,439
you know, the occult. The word a cult means hidden things.

1262
01:12:55,399 --> 01:12:57,760
There's a lot we don't know. The Bible even says

1263
01:12:57,840 --> 01:13:01,520
in Deuterommi twenty nine twenty nine that the things revealed

1264
01:13:01,520 --> 01:13:04,279
are for us and our children, but the things not

1265
01:13:04,359 --> 01:13:07,199
revealed are for God alone. You know, and so there's

1266
01:13:07,520 --> 01:13:09,760
things God has told us and there's things he hadn't

1267
01:13:10,119 --> 01:13:12,600
So I mean, but I disagree with the one thing

1268
01:13:12,600 --> 01:13:16,239
I would disagree with, Like Hinduism and Buddhism says we

1269
01:13:16,279 --> 01:13:19,000
live in a world of illusion. I don't believe that.

1270
01:13:19,319 --> 01:13:23,079
I believe that we live in a world of complete understanding,

1271
01:13:23,279 --> 01:13:29,479
and our assuming is is certainly limited. But I think

1272
01:13:29,520 --> 01:13:32,079
the other thing about you're talking about near death experiences

1273
01:13:32,560 --> 01:13:36,600
is that there's so much more. There's a really good book,

1274
01:13:36,640 --> 01:13:40,079
Imagine Heaven, and it's for those who are Christians and

1275
01:13:40,079 --> 01:13:44,319
you're worried about NDS. This guy's a Christian pastor, and

1276
01:13:44,479 --> 01:13:47,079
you know, I take everything with a lot of skepticism,

1277
01:13:47,399 --> 01:13:50,000
but as I read this, I realized that these people

1278
01:13:50,079 --> 01:13:54,800
experience something beyond the reality. And even the apostle Paul

1279
01:13:55,039 --> 01:13:58,520
talks about being caught up into the Third Heaven. He

1280
01:13:58,680 --> 01:14:01,439
was stoned and left for dead at one point, and

1281
01:14:01,520 --> 01:14:04,520
possibly he had a near death experience, and he said

1282
01:14:04,560 --> 01:14:08,479
he heard things inexpressible that he was not allowed to repeat.

1283
01:14:08,840 --> 01:14:11,439
And he kind of hints at that in First Corinthians

1284
01:14:12,720 --> 01:14:15,640
chapter one, where he says the eye is not seen,

1285
01:14:15,720 --> 01:14:17,680
the ear is not heard, nor is the tongue of

1286
01:14:17,680 --> 01:14:20,760
man able to express all that God has in store

1287
01:14:20,800 --> 01:14:24,399
for those that love him. In other words, basically, there's

1288
01:14:24,439 --> 01:14:27,239
a lot more to life than we see and hear.

1289
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So I would agree with this doctor that our understanding

1290
01:14:33,439 --> 01:14:36,720
of reality is very limited, but I wouldn't say it's

1291
01:14:36,760 --> 01:14:37,600
completely wrong.

1292
01:14:38,439 --> 01:14:41,399
Speaker 3: No, it's interesting. Jakin messages us. Thank you so much,

1293
01:14:41,439 --> 01:14:44,159
and I appreciate the information here. That's what this is

1294
01:14:44,199 --> 01:14:47,199
all about, right Derek, bringing people together yep, and having

1295
01:14:47,239 --> 01:14:51,199
them express their opinions. Yeah, on these amazing subjects that

1296
01:14:51,279 --> 01:14:54,039
lie out in the universe, and tying in again, ladies

1297
01:14:54,079 --> 01:14:58,600
and gentlemen, the connection between UFOs and God. Our special guest,

1298
01:14:58,600 --> 01:15:02,920
Derek Warfow, excuse me, he continues with us, as we

1299
01:15:02,960 --> 01:15:06,560
move toward the bottom of our number two. What's fascinating.

1300
01:15:06,800 --> 01:15:09,840
We have about four minutes here before the big heartbreak.

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I wanted to see if you can just describe to us,

1302
01:15:12,039 --> 01:15:14,279
give us a couple of quick examples, and maybe it

1303
01:15:14,319 --> 01:15:17,359
takes longer into the next part of what you talk

1304
01:15:17,439 --> 01:15:20,680
about in the Bible, experiences that the Bible writes about about,

1305
01:15:21,039 --> 01:15:23,399
like Jacob's wheel. I mean, things of this type, all

1306
01:15:23,439 --> 01:15:26,720
these amazing sightings that are recorded in the Bible. Give

1307
01:15:26,800 --> 01:15:29,479
us a couple of examples about what might be related

1308
01:15:29,520 --> 01:15:32,239
to UFOs or UAPs in what you've studied.

1309
01:15:33,800 --> 01:15:37,159
Speaker 6: Well, you know, I mean, there's certainly, you know, there's

1310
01:15:37,159 --> 01:15:41,520
Ezekiel's wheels, where he basically said he had a vision

1311
01:15:42,000 --> 01:15:45,399
and he saw four angels and he saw this throne

1312
01:15:46,119 --> 01:15:49,119
that the chaos are transferred, and then there were wheels

1313
01:15:49,119 --> 01:15:52,159
beneath the same and it looks a lot like a

1314
01:15:52,239 --> 01:15:56,800
machine that it also looks like angels. And you know,

1315
01:15:56,920 --> 01:16:00,840
it's a little hard to understand, but I believe that

1316
01:16:01,000 --> 01:16:06,000
angels do create and can create machines, you know, So

1317
01:16:06,079 --> 01:16:11,680
this idea that we would see flying saucers is not weird.

1318
01:16:11,920 --> 01:16:16,640
In other it's anything that we can do, angels can

1319
01:16:16,680 --> 01:16:21,039
do better. God created them much smarter, much more powerful

1320
01:16:21,079 --> 01:16:25,279
than we are. And so this concept that you know,

1321
01:16:25,359 --> 01:16:28,359
we look at these spacecraft, these flying saucers that do

1322
01:16:28,399 --> 01:16:32,960
these amazing things that even our best fighter jets can't do,

1323
01:16:32,960 --> 01:16:37,720
doesn't mean that they weren't created by fallen angels. The

1324
01:16:37,720 --> 01:16:41,239
thing that's different about this appearance and maybe other things

1325
01:16:41,239 --> 01:16:43,760
in the past with the Egyptian gods and the other

1326
01:16:43,840 --> 01:16:49,800
gods is that they're using machines. But that shouldn't throw

1327
01:16:49,880 --> 01:16:53,479
us off. I mean, angels can create machines just like

1328
01:16:53,600 --> 01:16:58,800
we can, and much better. For instance, the Bible caused

1329
01:16:58,920 --> 01:17:02,680
human sheep okay, cheap, are the some of the dumbest

1330
01:17:02,720 --> 01:17:05,600
animals on the farm. Okay, they get lost, they break

1331
01:17:05,640 --> 01:17:10,479
their legs. The Bible never calls angels sheep. They are

1332
01:17:10,840 --> 01:17:14,760
very smart, very intelligent beings, and they're out to trick us.

1333
01:17:15,039 --> 01:17:18,000
They are the best, the fallen angels. They are the

1334
01:17:18,039 --> 01:17:21,760
best con men in the universe. And what they're doing,

1335
01:17:21,920 --> 01:17:26,000
I believe with this whole UFO thing is one huge

1336
01:17:26,079 --> 01:17:30,039
con to get us to follow them because look, oh

1337
01:17:30,079 --> 01:17:32,399
my gosh, look at these cramps. They can go forty

1338
01:17:32,439 --> 01:17:36,000
thousand to two hundred thousand miles an hour, they can disappear,

1339
01:17:36,520 --> 01:17:40,600
they don't have they don't have a sonic boom. They

1340
01:17:40,640 --> 01:17:43,560
can do things we can't do. Maybe we should be

1341
01:17:43,640 --> 01:17:46,720
listening to them about the basic questions of life. Why

1342
01:17:46,760 --> 01:17:49,640
are we here? Who are we? What's our purpose? You know?

1343
01:17:49,840 --> 01:17:52,479
Why are we listening to this? Thus the old prophet

1344
01:17:52,520 --> 01:17:56,199
from two thousand years ago called Jesus, you know, and

1345
01:17:56,279 --> 01:18:00,800
I think it's a huge con because they they're primary

1346
01:18:00,840 --> 01:18:04,079
goal when they rebel against God is to get people

1347
01:18:04,119 --> 01:18:08,119
to follow them and not God or Jesus.

1348
01:18:08,359 --> 01:18:10,720
Speaker 3: Well, we'll continue on the other side of the heartbreak

1349
01:18:10,720 --> 01:18:13,079
here the Doctor Sky experience with the Theater of the

1350
01:18:13,119 --> 01:18:16,399
Mind is getting filled in, but never too many people. Again,

1351
01:18:17,600 --> 01:18:19,960
you two can be part of the conversation one eight

1352
01:18:20,560 --> 01:18:22,920
four eight nine two two two. We will do our

1353
01:18:23,039 --> 01:18:25,399
very best to get Edgar in the bronx on. Robert

1354
01:18:25,399 --> 01:18:29,560
in Philadelphia, I, Frank in Astoria and Lois in Manhattan,

1355
01:18:29,960 --> 01:18:33,119
all very patient as we continue to move deeper into

1356
01:18:33,159 --> 01:18:36,000
the darkness of the cosmos. But on a bright side,

1357
01:18:36,239 --> 01:18:39,439
talk about the obvious opportunity to learn so much from

1358
01:18:39,479 --> 01:18:43,079
our special guest Derek warfol in his opinion about how

1359
01:18:43,199 --> 01:18:46,560
we can talk about and relate UFOs and God and

1360
01:18:46,680 --> 01:18:50,520
maybe they have some sort of biblical explanation that is

1361
01:18:50,600 --> 01:18:52,760
up to you in the Theater of the Mind. We'll

1362
01:18:52,800 --> 01:18:53,319
be right back.

1363
01:18:54,159 --> 01:18:59,880
Speaker 2: This is the Doctor Sky experience. Always look to this

1364
01:19:00,079 --> 01:19:07,439
Sky seventy seven w ABC. Now here's Doctor Sky.

1365
01:19:14,199 --> 01:19:21,600
Speaker 10: Across the boundary into the unknown, where gravity bends, the

1366
01:19:21,680 --> 01:19:29,359
light and time itself stands still. This is the edge

1367
01:19:29,399 --> 01:19:48,079
of existence, where everything ends and eternity begins again past

1368
01:19:48,199 --> 01:19:55,079
the event horizon. There is no turning back.

1369
01:20:01,319 --> 01:20:04,920
Speaker 3: The Church has been caught off guard before by the Enlightenment,

1370
01:20:05,079 --> 01:20:09,039
by Darwinism, by liberal theology. UFO is there next, and

1371
01:20:09,079 --> 01:20:12,199
the Church is largely unprepared. We must give believers the

1372
01:20:12,199 --> 01:20:15,840
biblical framework and answers they need, or culture will do

1373
01:20:15,920 --> 01:20:18,760
it for us. A quote from our special guest Derek

1374
01:20:18,800 --> 01:20:21,840
Warfol as we continue with thirty two minutes after the hour,

1375
01:20:22,640 --> 01:20:25,239
Amazing Derek, how time flies and the callers are still

1376
01:20:25,239 --> 01:20:28,439
coming in filling out a wonderful time here in the

1377
01:20:28,439 --> 01:20:30,239
Theater of the Mind. Line number four, we go to

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Edgar and the Bronx. You've been patient and good morning.

1379
01:20:33,039 --> 01:20:33,439
How are you?

1380
01:20:34,119 --> 01:20:36,079
Speaker 5: Thank you, thank you. I just want to make three

1381
01:20:36,159 --> 01:20:39,039
quick point to find me. The first one that movie

1382
01:20:40,399 --> 01:20:44,079
with Rennie, The Daily.

1383
01:20:43,960 --> 01:20:45,399
Speaker 8: Earth should still yes.

1384
01:20:45,479 --> 01:20:49,319
Speaker 5: One of the reasons, the main reason that Rennie came

1385
01:20:49,479 --> 01:20:51,840
to the Earth with his little box is to warn

1386
01:20:51,920 --> 01:20:55,319
them that if they don't stop this, you know, trying

1387
01:20:55,359 --> 01:20:59,880
to bomb themselves in nuclear bombs, you know, because they

1388
01:21:00,159 --> 01:21:06,640
was polluting the solar system, so they would they sent

1389
01:21:06,680 --> 01:21:11,199
the Rennie in this robot to Earth to warn them

1390
01:21:12,119 --> 01:21:16,239
if you don't stop polluting the you know, the solar system,

1391
01:21:16,760 --> 01:21:17,439
you know, we're going.

1392
01:21:17,439 --> 01:21:18,439
Speaker 15: To have to kill you.

1393
01:21:19,239 --> 01:21:21,399
Speaker 5: So that that's that's a point that was made in

1394
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that movie that I want to truss.

1395
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Speaker 3: You're absolutely right, Edgar. This is amazing because one of

1396
01:21:26,960 --> 01:21:29,359
my favorite movies of all time. And if people look

1397
01:21:29,359 --> 01:21:32,720
at Deep Dive, Michael Rennie of course an incredible actor

1398
01:21:32,760 --> 01:21:35,720
of Days gone By. I'm a collector of I know,

1399
01:21:35,760 --> 01:21:39,359
people laugh at me sometimes of the video discs, you know,

1400
01:21:39,399 --> 01:21:41,760
the old laser discs, and I happened to find in

1401
01:21:41,800 --> 01:21:45,399
a store it was amazing, an entire collection signed by

1402
01:21:45,399 --> 01:21:47,399
the producer of that movie. And I had to get

1403
01:21:47,399 --> 01:21:49,600
it because I have a you know, player that works.

1404
01:21:49,880 --> 01:21:51,840
But the point is it's one of my favorite You

1405
01:21:51,920 --> 01:21:55,239
brought up something very good, Derek. The the interesting part

1406
01:21:55,239 --> 01:21:57,680
about that movie. Please continue. It's just powerful.

1407
01:21:59,199 --> 01:22:02,000
Speaker 6: Yeah. No, I I saw that when I was twelve.

1408
01:22:02,199 --> 01:22:04,640
It was a Saturday night that the movie is on

1409
01:22:04,720 --> 01:22:08,199
I think one of the networks, and I remember I

1410
01:22:08,239 --> 01:22:12,479
was like sitting there recruiting that Burata Nick Doo Barta

1411
01:22:12,600 --> 01:22:16,399
Nick too. You don't want to see the earth blown up?

1412
01:22:17,560 --> 01:22:17,800
Speaker 18: Yeah?

1413
01:22:17,960 --> 01:22:22,159
Speaker 6: No, I think you know, certainly there is a warning

1414
01:22:22,359 --> 01:22:27,520
about you know, our nuclear weapons, and even frankly, even

1415
01:22:27,560 --> 01:22:31,560
these UFOs today are repeating the same things that they're

1416
01:22:31,600 --> 01:22:36,119
concerned about what we're doing to the environment and nuclear weapons.

1417
01:22:36,399 --> 01:22:38,760
But you know, I got to tell you that the

1418
01:22:38,840 --> 01:22:41,560
ones today they talk a lot about they talk of

1419
01:22:41,640 --> 01:22:45,359
good games, just like politicians. Oh this is terrible, but

1420
01:22:45,560 --> 01:22:48,039
you know what, they don't do anything about it. I

1421
01:22:48,079 --> 01:22:53,199
think that literally, you know, at least from the aliens today,

1422
01:22:53,359 --> 01:22:56,600
it's a con it's not really, you know, it's not

1423
01:22:57,039 --> 01:22:59,039
I mean, there's a lot of other things that could

1424
01:22:59,039 --> 01:23:03,159
talk about, you know, I mean, we're I think you're

1425
01:23:03,239 --> 01:23:06,479
right to literally obviously, you know, you look at Rake

1426
01:23:06,560 --> 01:23:11,079
and trying to not just you know, limit nuclear weapons,

1427
01:23:11,079 --> 01:23:13,399
but get rid of them. And I think that's something

1428
01:23:13,439 --> 01:23:15,079
we can try to do. I don't know we can

1429
01:23:15,119 --> 01:23:18,439
ever put the genie back in the bottle, so to speak.

1430
01:23:19,199 --> 01:23:25,119
You know, there's a there's a story about the flying machine.

1431
01:23:25,159 --> 01:23:27,000
I forget who wrote it, but it was the short

1432
01:23:27,039 --> 01:23:29,760
story and it talked about this guy who went to

1433
01:23:29,840 --> 01:23:33,159
the a fictional story, went to the Emperor Japan and

1434
01:23:33,199 --> 01:23:36,760
he said, oh, look, I've developed this flying machine. We

1435
01:23:36,800 --> 01:23:40,319
can see what our enemies are approaching our walls. Because

1436
01:23:40,359 --> 01:23:42,319
everything was walls back then. As long as you had

1437
01:23:42,319 --> 01:23:45,039
a wall, you're okay. With a flying machine. It can

1438
01:23:45,079 --> 01:23:51,319
go over walls. And the Emperor listened very carefully, and

1439
01:23:51,359 --> 01:23:53,000
then when the guy had been left the room, he

1440
01:23:53,039 --> 01:23:55,840
told his many, says, kill the man to destroy the machine.

1441
01:23:57,359 --> 01:24:00,319
You know, it's like literally, you know we but of

1442
01:24:00,359 --> 01:24:05,800
course you can't stop progress. It's you know, what you

1443
01:24:05,880 --> 01:24:10,079
can do is you need to try to limit these machines,

1444
01:24:10,119 --> 01:24:13,359
to try to get rid of nuclear weapons. And everybody,

1445
01:24:13,399 --> 01:24:16,720
I mean, the Bible certainly talks about God gave us

1446
01:24:16,720 --> 01:24:20,199
a commission to take care of the world, not destroy it.

1447
01:24:20,680 --> 01:24:21,039
Speaker 3: You've got.

1448
01:24:21,079 --> 01:24:23,359
Speaker 6: On the other hand, he told us not to worship it.

1449
01:24:23,920 --> 01:24:27,840
And there's certain elements in society today that believe we

1450
01:24:27,840 --> 01:24:31,079
should worship the earth. It's called guya worship, you know,

1451
01:24:31,199 --> 01:24:33,560
Mother Nature. Where do you think that came from?

1452
01:24:34,039 --> 01:24:36,520
Speaker 3: I hear you, and it seems more powerful than ever.

1453
01:24:36,600 --> 01:24:39,680
But this is also a powerful conversation with Derek warfol

1454
01:24:40,199 --> 01:24:42,439
But here I want to add something to the conversation

1455
01:24:42,520 --> 01:24:44,920
that Edgar brought in from the Bronx. This is interesting,

1456
01:24:45,199 --> 01:24:48,720
Gorg Sure the obvious gigantic robot that lends, you know,

1457
01:24:48,800 --> 01:24:52,800
with our good friend Michael Rennie. The interesting part about

1458
01:24:52,800 --> 01:24:56,279
that Edgar into the audience is that the actor Locke Martin,

1459
01:24:56,640 --> 01:24:59,560
very tall, over seven feet tall, was the guy that

1460
01:24:59,560 --> 01:25:01,720
they hire to do this. But here's the part that's

1461
01:25:01,720 --> 01:25:04,680
actually amazing from trivia from that movie. He had to

1462
01:25:04,720 --> 01:25:08,119
climb into this like foam suit and they could only

1463
01:25:08,199 --> 01:25:10,239
film a short amount of time with him in there

1464
01:25:10,279 --> 01:25:12,279
because it really wasn't you know, it must have been

1465
01:25:12,279 --> 01:25:14,920
hotter than hell. That's an interesting way to put it.

1466
01:25:15,319 --> 01:25:17,920
And that's interesting, Igar, because they only had a short

1467
01:25:17,920 --> 01:25:20,279
time to be able to shoot this, and a lot

1468
01:25:20,279 --> 01:25:22,000
of times he would want to be crawling out of

1469
01:25:22,000 --> 01:25:24,760
that thing. Imagine that you're in a foam suit and

1470
01:25:24,800 --> 01:25:27,479
you're supposed to move. But that's a little bit of

1471
01:25:27,520 --> 01:25:30,119
trivia from the Day the Earth Stood Still. Thank you,

1472
01:25:30,239 --> 01:25:33,119
Edgar and the Bronx. Let's continue here. A good friend

1473
01:25:33,159 --> 01:25:35,199
of ours and a regular caller to the Doctor Sky

1474
01:25:35,239 --> 01:25:38,079
Experience Line one, Robert in Philadelphia. You've been patient.

1475
01:25:38,159 --> 01:25:41,760
Speaker 19: Good morning, Hi, Doctor Sky. Is always just wonderful to

1476
01:25:41,840 --> 01:25:44,439
talk to you. I appreciate your show and your guests.

1477
01:25:44,720 --> 01:25:48,000
Thank you Now, I was raised in a children's home

1478
01:25:48,000 --> 01:25:51,239
that was run by Luther and nuns and no horror stories.

1479
01:25:51,279 --> 01:25:54,199
They were wonderful women, They were very loving. They did

1480
01:25:54,239 --> 01:25:56,520
suck a good job with us, and they took us

1481
01:25:56,520 --> 01:25:58,680
to charge and I went to Sunday School. I even

1482
01:25:58,720 --> 01:26:03,079
read the Bible. Now, I always have a positive view

1483
01:26:03,119 --> 01:26:05,800
of Christianity and Christians, but it never took with me.

1484
01:26:06,239 --> 01:26:09,359
I've never seen evidence of divinity, so I don't believe

1485
01:26:09,399 --> 01:26:13,960
in divinity. I've also never seen any proof that there's

1486
01:26:14,079 --> 01:26:17,840
other dimensions. The only reason we theorize about other dimensions

1487
01:26:18,079 --> 01:26:21,119
is because our current math doesn't work for our universe.

1488
01:26:21,399 --> 01:26:23,520
So they're going to tell us there's other dimensions. There

1489
01:26:23,600 --> 01:26:26,039
must be. It sounds like an excuse to me. I

1490
01:26:26,119 --> 01:26:29,239
would suggest they go check their math. Now. Having read

1491
01:26:29,239 --> 01:26:32,319
the Bible, there's things in there. I think the idea

1492
01:26:32,359 --> 01:26:34,880
of putting all the animals on a boat is an

1493
01:26:34,920 --> 01:26:39,680
absurd idea. However, we could create genetic banks. We could

1494
01:26:39,760 --> 01:26:42,680
even put one in orbit around Earth today if we

1495
01:26:42,760 --> 01:26:45,640
wanted to, and nobody saw that a thousand years ago.

1496
01:26:46,079 --> 01:26:50,439
So trying to go by what our limitations are to say,

1497
01:26:50,680 --> 01:26:55,399
what other million year old civilizations in other parts of

1498
01:26:55,439 --> 01:26:58,720
the galaxy might be able to do is kind of

1499
01:26:59,319 --> 01:27:01,920
arrogant to me. Okay, we have no idea what will

1500
01:27:01,960 --> 01:27:04,920
be capable of in one hundred years, let alone a

1501
01:27:04,960 --> 01:27:08,239
million years. I think it's entirely possible that they're coming

1502
01:27:08,279 --> 01:27:11,840
here A without us seeing M or B, without us

1503
01:27:11,880 --> 01:27:15,199
being told they're coming here. We don't know, So I'm

1504
01:27:15,239 --> 01:27:17,720
not saying this is the way it is. It's just

1505
01:27:17,920 --> 01:27:21,319
a possibility to me. But I'm getting the impression that

1506
01:27:21,479 --> 01:27:25,760
for me to wonder about this scientific amazement time that

1507
01:27:25,800 --> 01:27:28,600
we're living in, that I'm somehow in league with the devil.

1508
01:27:28,960 --> 01:27:32,039
And since I have such a positive view of princidanity,

1509
01:27:32,319 --> 01:27:35,039
I would never call it a con So I did

1510
01:27:35,079 --> 01:27:36,880
take a little bit of unbridge of this. So my

1511
01:27:37,000 --> 01:27:41,119
question is if it's okay to say that I believe

1512
01:27:41,159 --> 01:27:44,000
in UFO when one lands on the White House, is

1513
01:27:44,000 --> 01:27:46,600
it also fair to say that I believe in Jesus

1514
01:27:46,920 --> 01:27:48,600
when he lands on the White House? Long?

1515
01:27:49,199 --> 01:27:53,680
Speaker 3: Wow, Robert, interesting perspective, powerful stuff. Derek from your area

1516
01:27:53,680 --> 01:27:57,279
of religious you know, experiences as an author, tell.

1517
01:27:57,159 --> 01:28:00,439
Speaker 6: Us, but that could take a couple of wall that.

1518
01:28:01,039 --> 01:28:03,159
But I will just talk about the thing I haven't

1519
01:28:03,159 --> 01:28:11,640
seen divinity. You know. The Bible says there's two major

1520
01:28:11,760 --> 01:28:17,720
proofs of God's divinity. One is conscious that within everyone

1521
01:28:18,399 --> 01:28:20,920
there is a conscience that tells us what's right or wrong.

1522
01:28:20,960 --> 01:28:23,520
Why do we even have that if everything is just

1523
01:28:23,720 --> 01:28:26,560
random chance? And the second thing, and probably the most

1524
01:28:26,600 --> 01:28:31,720
important thing, is creation itself. There's such complexity in design

1525
01:28:32,479 --> 01:28:37,680
and interests in creation that it's hard to explain apart

1526
01:28:37,760 --> 01:28:42,239
from a superior intelligence that's incredibly intelligent strength. There's a

1527
01:28:42,319 --> 01:28:45,399
story of a man in Africa who lived in his

1528
01:28:45,600 --> 01:28:48,560
tribe and they worshiped the wind and the river and whatever.

1529
01:28:49,680 --> 01:28:52,199
But he just started looking at his hand one day

1530
01:28:52,920 --> 01:28:57,119
and he realized his hand was so complex. How did

1531
01:28:57,119 --> 01:29:00,439
it work? His parents didn't create his hand, he was born.

1532
01:29:01,399 --> 01:29:03,840
And people said, well, they talk about a god and

1533
01:29:03,920 --> 01:29:06,760
some there's some people two hundred miles away in this

1534
01:29:06,880 --> 01:29:10,680
mission group that talk about a god created everything. And

1535
01:29:10,760 --> 01:29:13,640
I think if you look at the complexity that exists

1536
01:29:14,079 --> 01:29:18,000
in design, in nature, in animals, in our own life,

1537
01:29:19,000 --> 01:29:21,960
that literally just to say, oh, it all just came

1538
01:29:22,000 --> 01:29:27,359
about by chance, it's just almost impossible to believe. The

1539
01:29:27,399 --> 01:29:31,079
other thing you talked about is other dimensions. I guess

1540
01:29:31,119 --> 01:29:34,800
you know, I would say, again, how do you explain

1541
01:29:35,239 --> 01:29:40,079
these beings that simply you know are there? They retrack

1542
01:29:40,159 --> 01:29:43,520
them on radar on their ships and then they disappear.

1543
01:29:44,479 --> 01:29:48,159
It's not like they're going to another planet. They literally

1544
01:29:48,199 --> 01:29:52,479
go off the radar entirely. Some they've gone somewhere else

1545
01:29:53,319 --> 01:29:58,479
right beside where we are. And the last thing about

1546
01:29:58,520 --> 01:30:02,439
the Noah. There's a really wonderful exhibits and I believe

1547
01:30:02,439 --> 01:30:06,000
it's Kentucky called the Arc Experience. If you ever get

1548
01:30:06,000 --> 01:30:09,720
a chance, go there. I mean, they answer a lot

1549
01:30:09,720 --> 01:30:12,680
of the questions that you're asking because what's absurd? How

1550
01:30:12,720 --> 01:30:15,439
could you have that many animals on a boat? I mean,

1551
01:30:15,600 --> 01:30:18,960
they have done a lot of research to explain the

1552
01:30:19,079 --> 01:30:24,439
possibility just logically, how that's possible that obviously you only

1553
01:30:24,479 --> 01:30:28,079
need a certain number of You don't have it by species.

1554
01:30:28,079 --> 01:30:31,000
You have it by something larger than species, and they

1555
01:30:31,720 --> 01:30:33,600
branch out anyway. But if you ever go to the

1556
01:30:33,680 --> 01:30:35,560
Arc Experience, it's well worth going to.

1557
01:30:36,079 --> 01:30:38,399
Speaker 3: Well thank you for that information. Here we're almost and

1558
01:30:38,560 --> 01:30:40,399
I can I feel terrible life. Try to be like

1559
01:30:40,399 --> 01:30:42,520
the air traffic controller. We got to get the planes

1560
01:30:42,560 --> 01:30:45,439
in and out and make sure that they take off. No, no, no,

1561
01:30:45,479 --> 01:30:47,720
never be sorry. Hey, this is we have to run

1562
01:30:47,720 --> 01:30:50,520
it by the clock otherwise, Can anybody out there in

1563
01:30:50,560 --> 01:30:53,680
cyberspace give us another alternative that would be interesting, a

1564
01:30:53,760 --> 01:30:58,920
transdimensional radio show that has no limitations to be We'll

1565
01:30:58,920 --> 01:31:00,479
be back here in just a moment. What I wanted

1566
01:31:00,479 --> 01:31:02,680
to mention a very big collash, and I want to

1567
01:31:02,680 --> 01:31:06,239
thank Robert and Philadelphia for his insightful comments always to

1568
01:31:06,319 --> 01:31:09,600
the show. There's this big but this would take another

1569
01:31:09,880 --> 01:31:13,319
thirty forty thousand hours to cover the conflicts between Darwinism

1570
01:31:13,399 --> 01:31:18,359
and creationism. That is the subject that's extremely extremely volatile

1571
01:31:18,720 --> 01:31:21,159
in many areas. Not to put you in a light.

1572
01:31:21,199 --> 01:31:22,920
You know that we're going to explain it in two minutes.

1573
01:31:23,239 --> 01:31:26,039
But the reality of this is it's such an amazing story.

1574
01:31:26,479 --> 01:31:28,840
When we talk about what you're bringing to the table

1575
01:31:28,880 --> 01:31:31,640
here and in my synthesis, i'll do this very quickly

1576
01:31:31,680 --> 01:31:33,920
before we go to the break. It seems so far

1577
01:31:33,960 --> 01:31:36,840
from being a listener from this side as a host

1578
01:31:37,279 --> 01:31:39,239
that it looks like you're putting this out there in

1579
01:31:39,279 --> 01:31:42,159
your opinion that you're seeing more of this, that these

1580
01:31:42,279 --> 01:31:45,520
UFOs are probably not entities that are traveling through time

1581
01:31:45,560 --> 01:31:49,960
and space with velocities, but more likely somehow dimensional, and

1582
01:31:50,079 --> 01:31:52,560
that in so many words, without bunny words in your mouth,

1583
01:31:52,640 --> 01:31:56,039
there that there's a distinct difference between the good side

1584
01:31:56,199 --> 01:31:59,000
the alien, you know, not the alien the angels, and

1585
01:31:59,079 --> 01:32:02,560
maybe not to scare people, maybe there's another side to

1586
01:32:02,600 --> 01:32:05,840
this that needs to be explored deeper. What are these

1587
01:32:05,960 --> 01:32:09,439
entities that are coming to us, like the Travis Walton experience,

1588
01:32:09,520 --> 01:32:12,079
the Barney and Betty Hill experience that may not be

1589
01:32:12,199 --> 01:32:15,920
so friendly. And with that, we'll be right back here

1590
01:32:15,960 --> 01:32:18,119
on the Doctor Sky Experience and do our best to

1591
01:32:18,119 --> 01:32:20,520
get everybody on the air. And that's going to be

1592
01:32:20,520 --> 01:32:22,840
a magic trick to do. Before the clock runs out.

1593
01:32:23,000 --> 01:32:23,800
We'll be right back.

1594
01:32:24,600 --> 01:32:30,800
Speaker 2: This is the Doctor Sky Experience. Always look to the Sky.

1595
01:32:31,359 --> 01:32:37,600
Seventy seven WABC. Now here's Doctor.

1596
01:32:37,279 --> 01:32:39,159
Speaker 1: Sky, Sadi.

1597
01:32:39,439 --> 01:32:43,199
Speaker 14: This is Jim Mars, author of Alien Agenda, the top

1598
01:32:43,279 --> 01:32:46,760
selling non fiction book on UFOs in the world, and

1599
01:32:46,840 --> 01:32:51,279
I'm here to say watch the sky, Doctor Sky. That

1600
01:32:51,640 --> 01:32:53,880
is right here on this station.

1601
01:32:55,960 --> 01:32:58,359
Speaker 3: Forty eight minutes after the hour, we continue as we

1602
01:32:58,399 --> 01:33:01,199
move through time and space. Derek war a guest author

1603
01:33:01,199 --> 01:33:04,399
and filmmaker. The callers continue to come into the Theater

1604
01:33:04,479 --> 01:33:07,279
of the Mind online too. We welcome you Frank in

1605
01:33:07,359 --> 01:33:09,560
a story. Thanks for your patience. You're on the air.

1606
01:33:10,520 --> 01:33:13,760
Speaker 9: Yes, thank you for taking my phone call, Doctor Skott.

1607
01:33:14,640 --> 01:33:17,760
I just want to ask your guest. You know, we're

1608
01:33:17,840 --> 01:33:20,880
a neighbor to the red planet Mars, and they have

1609
01:33:21,039 --> 01:33:25,520
sent up, you know, probes to search the Martian terrain

1610
01:33:26,039 --> 01:33:31,119
and see if there was ever some sort of water

1611
01:33:31,199 --> 01:33:35,199
life there at one time. I want to ask your guest,

1612
01:33:36,119 --> 01:33:38,760
is it possible that on Mars there was some sort

1613
01:33:38,800 --> 01:33:45,600
of cellular life that might have created some sort of

1614
01:33:45,720 --> 01:33:48,680
alien life, because I you know, I used to watch

1615
01:33:48,720 --> 01:33:51,840
this series called the Martian Chronicles. It is a very

1616
01:33:51,920 --> 01:33:58,520
large and expensive fiction series of movies and films, and

1617
01:33:58,560 --> 01:34:02,239
they had a perspective on you know, a Martian colony

1618
01:34:02,359 --> 01:34:06,880
there that you know, evolved through an alien races didn't

1619
01:34:06,880 --> 01:34:12,600
want the Earth people to go there. So I know

1620
01:34:12,640 --> 01:34:15,159
you probably are familiar with the Martian Chronicles.

1621
01:34:15,600 --> 01:34:17,439
Speaker 3: I've seen it in the past. I mean, I can't

1622
01:34:17,439 --> 01:34:20,399
comment on it, but let's move forward. Derek your response,

1623
01:34:20,479 --> 01:34:23,600
because again, Frank, I appreciate you, but the time we're

1624
01:34:23,600 --> 01:34:25,159
trying to get as many people with their.

1625
01:34:25,119 --> 01:34:29,159
Speaker 6: Questions right, Well, I just one thing before I say that.

1626
01:34:29,239 --> 01:34:31,239
I just want to say I enjoy being on your

1627
01:34:31,279 --> 01:34:34,640
show with so many great people from New York. I

1628
01:34:34,680 --> 01:34:37,920
love the accent. One of the I always I listened

1629
01:34:37,960 --> 01:34:42,279
to ABC, KBC or WABC when I was in New

1630
01:34:42,359 --> 01:34:46,520
Jersey and New York is such. It says, such have

1631
01:34:46,600 --> 01:34:49,239
been such a force in this country over many years,

1632
01:34:49,920 --> 01:34:53,439
and I see their forces trying to tear it apart.

1633
01:34:53,560 --> 01:34:55,279
And I just want to let you know in New

1634
01:34:55,359 --> 01:34:57,319
York that I pray for you guys. I really do,

1635
01:34:57,439 --> 01:35:01,039
because New York, the way New York goes, it affects

1636
01:35:01,039 --> 01:35:03,399
the country and in the world.

1637
01:35:03,640 --> 01:35:03,920
Speaker 3: Right.

1638
01:35:04,640 --> 01:35:06,920
Speaker 6: Yeah, And I so much enjoy being on with you

1639
01:35:06,920 --> 01:35:09,199
guys and hearing that New York accent. I have a

1640
01:35:09,279 --> 01:35:12,319
one of my best friends is from Long Island and

1641
01:35:12,359 --> 01:35:15,039
he has to straighten me out all the time. Anyway,

1642
01:35:15,079 --> 01:35:17,800
getting back to your point about Mars, you know, there's

1643
01:35:17,880 --> 01:35:20,199
a lot about this universe. We don't know. Was there

1644
01:35:20,239 --> 01:35:23,600
ever life on Mars? You know there are scientists that

1645
01:35:23,640 --> 01:35:26,479
say maybe there was, maybe there was water source, maybe

1646
01:35:26,520 --> 01:35:30,920
there was life. I don't believe. I believe, you know,

1647
01:35:31,000 --> 01:35:34,520
could The question is, could could an almighty god have

1648
01:35:34,600 --> 01:35:39,000
creative life and other planets. Absolutely he could. I think

1649
01:35:39,039 --> 01:35:41,560
the question is did he What are the odds that

1650
01:35:41,640 --> 01:35:45,800
he did? As a writer, as a filmmaker, you know,

1651
01:35:46,560 --> 01:35:49,439
I'm always trying to come up with, you know, novel

1652
01:35:49,479 --> 01:35:51,920
ways of looking at things, creating things that may never

1653
01:35:51,960 --> 01:35:55,720
have happened, simply to tell a good story. I don't

1654
01:35:55,800 --> 01:35:59,319
personally believe that God did create life on another planet

1655
01:35:59,680 --> 01:36:04,479
or that it evolved from cellular life. I believe that literally,

1656
01:36:05,239 --> 01:36:08,760
even people like Crick, people who have you know, studied

1657
01:36:08,800 --> 01:36:12,800
the DNA molecule and basically broken it down. You know,

1658
01:36:13,039 --> 01:36:16,880
they were saying that it's just too complex for it

1659
01:36:17,000 --> 01:36:19,640
had come about by chance on this planet or even

1660
01:36:19,680 --> 01:36:23,720
the Mars. That literally there. I mean, you can say

1661
01:36:23,760 --> 01:36:28,640
maybe God created it and developed it, but to say

1662
01:36:28,640 --> 01:36:31,079
that it came about by chance again, this guess back

1663
01:36:31,079 --> 01:36:34,319
to this whole evolution debate. Let me just give you

1664
01:36:34,359 --> 01:36:37,520
one example. The one person we talked to at Reasons

1665
01:36:37,560 --> 01:36:41,560
to Believe as an astrophysicist, they ran a calculation, what

1666
01:36:41,600 --> 01:36:47,560
would it take for just by random collisions of articles

1667
01:36:47,640 --> 01:36:52,000
happening even in the universe, it's as big as ours

1668
01:36:52,039 --> 01:36:55,840
for even a simple bacterium to come about by chance,

1669
01:36:57,399 --> 01:37:00,680
and he said it was ten to the five hundred

1670
01:37:00,680 --> 01:37:05,720
and fifty six power to one. That's ten followed by

1671
01:37:05,800 --> 01:37:09,680
five hundred and fifty euros to one. I mean the

1672
01:37:09,800 --> 01:37:14,159
odds against just one. Not advanced life but a simple bacteria. Now,

1673
01:37:14,279 --> 01:37:17,800
by comparison, to win the California State lottery, you just

1674
01:37:17,880 --> 01:37:20,079
need odds of ten to the ninth power to one.

1675
01:37:20,159 --> 01:37:21,760
I mean, what a bargain, you know what I mean,

1676
01:37:21,800 --> 01:37:23,479
what a difference.

1677
01:37:23,520 --> 01:37:24,399
Speaker 3: You're absolutely right.

1678
01:37:24,600 --> 01:37:27,800
Speaker 6: Yeah, it's like literally the odds of that happening by

1679
01:37:28,000 --> 01:37:32,239
chance by just having some water and some cellular life

1680
01:37:31,960 --> 01:37:36,319
I personally, I mean, sure, anything can happen, right, I mean,

1681
01:37:36,479 --> 01:37:39,399
but when the odds are that high against it, I

1682
01:37:39,640 --> 01:37:41,640
you know you wouldn't go to Vegas and bet your

1683
01:37:41,680 --> 01:37:42,640
life on that, you know.

1684
01:37:44,079 --> 01:37:46,520
Speaker 3: Thank you Frank In the story is sorry to cut everybody.

1685
01:37:46,600 --> 01:37:48,760
Sure here trying to get as many people on with

1686
01:37:48,800 --> 01:37:52,239
a full and you know our obvious explanation and a

1687
01:37:52,359 --> 01:37:55,479
response line three Lois and Manhattan. You've been patient. You're

1688
01:37:55,520 --> 01:37:56,920
on with Derek Warvil. Good morning.

1689
01:37:57,600 --> 01:38:00,760
Speaker 8: Thank you for taking my call. I'm the first I'm caller,

1690
01:38:01,239 --> 01:38:03,600
and the reason I'm calling is because I got interested

1691
01:38:03,600 --> 01:38:07,439
in Uffos in the nineteen seventies, and by the mid

1692
01:38:07,560 --> 01:38:11,800
late nineteen eighties, I already came to the conclusion these

1693
01:38:11,800 --> 01:38:16,520
were like interdimensional and evil. And the reason I came

1694
01:38:16,560 --> 01:38:21,560
to that conclusion was because every encounter that I read

1695
01:38:21,600 --> 01:38:26,640
about or heard about the fruit of it was always

1696
01:38:26,840 --> 01:38:32,079
something bad happened. The fruit was always bad. People got

1697
01:38:32,960 --> 01:38:40,600
the fear, the abduction, the probing, and the radiation sickness.

1698
01:38:41,079 --> 01:38:45,159
Everything was bad. I never heard of one encounter where

1699
01:38:45,359 --> 01:38:51,720
the encounter gave something positive, something good to humanity. Here

1700
01:38:51,760 --> 01:38:54,800
we're so advanced, we know your DNA and this and that,

1701
01:38:55,199 --> 01:38:58,279
here's the cure for this disease. So I don't want

1702
01:38:58,319 --> 01:39:01,239
to hear them say, oh, these aliens are here to

1703
01:39:01,359 --> 01:39:06,039
help us. Nonsense. Every encounter has been bad. And I

1704
01:39:06,119 --> 01:39:10,680
remember reading an article way back then about the Grays,

1705
01:39:10,920 --> 01:39:13,399
and I don't know where exactly was. I think it

1706
01:39:13,479 --> 01:39:16,199
was maybe South America, but I'm not sure. It was

1707
01:39:16,279 --> 01:39:19,760
so long ago, nineteen eighty and it said that the

1708
01:39:19,800 --> 01:39:24,239
Grays were appearing in this certain area and they would

1709
01:39:24,960 --> 01:39:28,279
appear in the house and the person would open the

1710
01:39:28,399 --> 01:39:33,199
door and they would ask permission to come in, and

1711
01:39:33,239 --> 01:39:36,239
they couldn't come in the house unless they were giving permission.

1712
01:39:36,880 --> 01:39:39,880
Some people got scared to this and cried out in

1713
01:39:39,960 --> 01:39:43,439
the name of Jesus. You know, when they would mention

1714
01:39:43,560 --> 01:39:48,279
the name of Jesus, they would disappear. And in terms

1715
01:39:48,319 --> 01:39:52,359
of the physicality, I mean, it's very well known by

1716
01:39:52,520 --> 01:39:57,840
exorcist and Catholic first that the evil spirits work through

1717
01:39:57,880 --> 01:40:02,760
the five senses and the imagination. So the five census

1718
01:40:02,760 --> 01:40:06,640
they can make you see something or hear something, or

1719
01:40:06,680 --> 01:40:11,479
even feel a touch or something. And because they work

1720
01:40:11,560 --> 01:40:14,800
through the five senses and the imagination.

1721
01:40:14,520 --> 01:40:16,359
Speaker 3: No, you bring up some good points. Time is of

1722
01:40:16,399 --> 01:40:18,640
the essence here and I know, Derek, I would love

1723
01:40:18,760 --> 01:40:20,359
you to have your respond to this, but I think

1724
01:40:20,399 --> 01:40:23,000
in due respect to a couple of other callers, we'd

1725
01:40:23,039 --> 01:40:25,399
like to go to line number four. Roger's calling us

1726
01:40:25,399 --> 01:40:27,960
from the great state of Idaho. You're on the air,

1727
01:40:28,000 --> 01:40:31,119
and I believe that'll close out this second hour. Sadly,

1728
01:40:31,159 --> 01:40:33,239
we'd love to have more time to do this, and

1729
01:40:33,279 --> 01:40:34,840
if we don't get you on the air, we do

1730
01:40:34,960 --> 01:40:37,760
thank you for being patient on the line. Roger and Idaho.

1731
01:40:37,800 --> 01:40:39,600
If you're with us, you're on with Derek Warfel.

1732
01:40:40,520 --> 01:40:43,039
Speaker 20: Yes, thank you, Doctor skuy for allowing me to be

1733
01:40:43,079 --> 01:40:46,119
a part of the Theater of the Mind. And Derek,

1734
01:40:46,680 --> 01:40:49,800
I see that your book is going to be released

1735
01:40:49,920 --> 01:40:53,319
next month and available on your ebook is going to

1736
01:40:53,319 --> 01:40:58,159
be available for download on Libby, which is available too

1737
01:40:58,199 --> 01:41:02,359
many libraries throughout the nation. I was wondering if it's

1738
01:41:02,399 --> 01:41:06,960
also going to be available in audiobook form.

1739
01:41:07,479 --> 01:41:12,479
Speaker 6: Not audio books yet that I guess if there's a

1740
01:41:12,520 --> 01:41:14,760
demand for it, we'll do it. They I think they

1741
01:41:14,800 --> 01:41:18,159
have a division. I'm a first time author on this.

1742
01:41:18,279 --> 01:41:21,600
I wasn't planning to write a book on UFOs. It's

1743
01:41:21,680 --> 01:41:24,359
just kind of like I was forced to it because

1744
01:41:24,399 --> 01:41:28,840
I just so much nonsense on this subject, you know,

1745
01:41:29,640 --> 01:41:32,199
But I do appreciate you asking. I just want to

1746
01:41:32,239 --> 01:41:34,600
mention one thing to the prior caller, and this is

1747
01:41:34,640 --> 01:41:38,039
for everybody who's listening, that if for some reason you're

1748
01:41:38,119 --> 01:41:43,000
ever approached by one of these alien presences, understand that

1749
01:41:43,119 --> 01:41:46,920
Jesus will deliver you. We have an example in the

1750
01:41:46,920 --> 01:41:49,279
film where a guy was being lifted off his bed

1751
01:41:49,800 --> 01:41:52,800
by presences. He didn't want to go, and just in

1752
01:41:52,880 --> 01:41:55,720
the moment he called out, Jesus saved me, and he

1753
01:41:55,880 --> 01:41:59,039
was dropped back on the bed. The name of Jesus

1754
01:41:59,079 --> 01:42:02,800
has authority over all these beings, and if you call

1755
01:42:02,840 --> 01:42:06,239
on him, he will help you. But yeah, thank you

1756
01:42:06,279 --> 01:42:08,439
for the interest in it. It's coming. The book is

1757
01:42:08,479 --> 01:42:11,239
coming out soon. Go to the website UFOs and God

1758
01:42:11,560 --> 01:42:14,119
all the information there's there's a lot of freebies there,

1759
01:42:14,439 --> 01:42:17,239
and look for the film September eleventh. Because the film

1760
01:42:17,720 --> 01:42:23,439
gives testimonies, examples of people who've gone through this, and

1761
01:42:23,520 --> 01:42:25,520
I think we tried to do a good job of

1762
01:42:26,000 --> 01:42:29,159
being even handed. But you have to make up your

1763
01:42:29,199 --> 01:42:29,600
own mind.

1764
01:42:30,439 --> 01:42:33,399
Speaker 3: Well, Derek, Derek, no, no apologies for the time limitations,

1765
01:42:33,399 --> 01:42:36,159
but again, thank you for your expertise. Derek Warville, author

1766
01:42:36,199 --> 01:42:38,560
and filmmaker. You'd like to go to a website. It's

1767
01:42:38,720 --> 01:42:43,439
UFOs and godbook dot com. Thank you. Roger and Idaho.

1768
01:42:43,479 --> 01:42:45,680
Sorry we couldn't get you on. Robert and Riverhead or

1769
01:42:45,760 --> 01:42:49,039
Vinnie in West Virginia. Try us next time because we're

1770
01:42:49,039 --> 01:42:51,319
going to continue with this. My open door question to

1771
01:42:51,359 --> 01:42:53,800
you is would you be willing to come back here

1772
01:42:53,840 --> 01:42:56,159
and discuss this in further ince as time goes on.

1773
01:42:56,239 --> 01:42:58,680
Oh yeah, and I think that's awesome. It's an obvious,

1774
01:42:58,960 --> 01:43:02,359
simple answer. I think it's a powerful one very interesting

1775
01:43:02,439 --> 01:43:06,119
information here on the Doctor Skuy experience. Not only great guests,

1776
01:43:06,439 --> 01:43:09,039
but also the great callers that come in with lots

1777
01:43:09,039 --> 01:43:12,439
of inspiration and they stay on measure. This is awesome.

1778
01:43:12,479 --> 01:43:16,319
And they also think in the critical thinking type of response,

1779
01:43:16,359 --> 01:43:19,560
which is what's good here. Derek Warfel, thank you so much,

1780
01:43:19,600 --> 01:43:22,399
and I'm sorry for the shortness of the two hours.

1781
01:43:22,720 --> 01:43:25,359
We could probably do four hours on this subject and

1782
01:43:25,520 --> 01:43:27,560
I'm sure it would have many more and many more callers,

1783
01:43:27,600 --> 01:43:29,920
so we'll do it again soon. And I do thank

1784
01:43:29,960 --> 01:43:32,640
you for being part of the doctor s Guy Experience.

1785
01:43:33,239 --> 01:43:35,800
Speaker 6: Well, thank you, yeah always the privileging on it.

1786
01:43:36,399 --> 01:43:39,000
Speaker 3: Thank you ladies and gentlemen, especially to our helmsman Bill

1787
01:43:39,039 --> 01:43:42,199
and Jackson. And also stay tuned to this radio station.

1788
01:43:42,399 --> 01:43:45,880
Powerful information coming up here, and also to download the

1789
01:43:46,039 --> 01:43:48,760
WABC app. Why not because if the theater of the

1790
01:43:48,800 --> 01:43:51,680
mind is one of your favorite with the Doctors Guy Experience,

1791
01:43:52,119 --> 01:43:54,079
you can also learn so much more about the many

1792
01:43:54,119 --> 01:43:57,600
rooms that are in this great app on talk Radio

1793
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seventy seven WABC. This our house Blowtarch Signals. I like

1794
01:44:01,720 --> 01:44:04,239
to call it well over one hundred years strong, and

1795
01:44:04,279 --> 01:44:06,840
I'm sure we're going for another one hundred. Stay tuned

1796
01:44:06,840 --> 01:44:11,520
to WABC for another side of midnight as Lionel takes

1797
01:44:11,560 --> 01:44:15,680
you into the verse sunrise of August twenty twenty six.

1798
01:44:16,039 --> 01:44:19,000
Thank you so much, clear skies, good health. Don't forget

1799
01:44:19,079 --> 01:44:21,479
there's an impact there. Headed to the Moon on the

1800
01:44:21,520 --> 01:44:25,199
evening hours of the fifth and the morning hours of

1801
01:44:25,239 --> 01:44:27,479
the fourth for the West coast. It may be visible

1802
01:44:27,479 --> 01:44:29,880
in a small telescope, but we'll talk about it later,

1803
01:44:30,159 --> 01:44:32,359
and you can learn so much more about it by

1804
01:44:32,399 --> 01:44:37,239
googling the SpaceX Booster rocket hitting the Moon. See you soon,