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just unfathomably complex that just turning it on consumes the

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energy equivalent of an entire city.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, And this machine, it isn't in some far off

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science fiction galaxy. It is buried right now, hundreds of

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feet underground in this sprawling subterranean ring spanning twenty seven

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kilometers across the borders of Switzerland and France, down in

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the dark, exactly down in the dark, with thousands of

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superconducting magnets chilled to temperatures colder than deep space, and

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its entire purpose, its sole design, is to unlock the

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ultimate fundamental secrets of the universe, to smash the very

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building blocks of reality together and just you know, see.

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Speaker 2: What spills out, see what happens.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, but here is the part that doesn't make it

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onto the glossy promotional brochures. Imagine the brilliant scientists running

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this colossal machine, sometimes behind closed doors, sometimes in the

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glaring eye of the global media, sweating over the microscopic,

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mathematically real chance that simply pressing the on button could

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swallow the earth whole, or you know, break the laws

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of time. Yeah, quite literally, erase the fundamental nature of

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reality itself.

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Speaker 3: It is the ultimate expression of human curiosity, crashing headlong

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into the absolute limits of safety. Yes, the anxieties, the

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risk probability models, the intense legal and philosophical debates we

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are going to look at today. None of this is

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theoretical panic. It all happens.

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Speaker 2: It's all real, exactly.

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Speaker 3: The documents are real, and in many ways, as the

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energy levels of these machines continue to scale up, those

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debates they're still happening right now.

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Speaker 1: Welcome to Thrilling Threads. I am so incredibly glad you

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could join us today because we are pulling on a

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thread that might just unravel the fabric of the universe itself.

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Speaker 2: Literally.

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Speaker 1: Today we are opening up a massive stack of declassified

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safety reports, theoretical physics papers, historical transcripts, and media archives,

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all centered around the Large Hadron Collider or the LHERN.

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Speaker 2: And it is quite a stack, it really is.

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Speaker 1: But our mission for this deep dive is not to

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give you a dry textbook lecture on the standard model

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of particle physics. We are heading straight for the terrifying

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boundary where groundbreaking Nobel Prize winning science collides head on

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with pure existential dread.

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Speaker 3: Yeah, we're looking at why the people who understand this

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machine the best, you know, the experts themselves, sometimes get deeply,

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profoundly uneasy.

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Speaker 1: Exactly. You might think of physics as just esoteric math

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on a chalkboard, something entirely detached from your everyday life.

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But today we're going to show you the exact moments

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when that math pointed directly to the apocalypse.

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Speaker 3: The documents we're looking at today reveal a spectacular tension.

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I mean, we are analyzing a scenario where the pursuit

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of knowledge reaches a physical scale that forces humanity to

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confront its own utter fragility. There is a modern day

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mythos being written in real time, blending high energy physics,

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intense public panic, and well, the absolute limits of human comprehension.

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Speaker 1: So let's start with the most visceral, primal fear that

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erupted in the public consciousness around cern the fear of consumption.

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Speaker 2: Oh yeah, the black holes.

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Speaker 1: The terrifying idea that humanity could accidentally build something that

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eats our planet from the inside out. And to unpack that,

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safety reports and the subsequent lawsuits surrounding miniature black holes.

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Speaker 2: Which is just a wild concept to begin with.

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Speaker 1: It really is, because when the average person hears the

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phrase black hole, they don't think microscopic scientific curiosity, now,

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of course not. They think of a cosmic behemoth, right,

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an inescapable gravity well that pulls in light, rips apart planets,

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consumes stars, and eventually swallows the Earth. So when CERN

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announced that the Large Hadron Collider's extreme energy collisions might

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produce microscopic black holes, the public reaction was, well, it

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Speaker 3: And if we look at the theoretical models driving that panic,

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the fear wasn't based on absolutely nothing, right. I mean,

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accelerating them to ninety nine point nine nine nine nine

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it really is, yes, and then crashing them head on.

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amount of matter into a space so infinitely small that

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and this fear became so tangible that in two thousand

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Speaker 1: We have the court filings right here. Yeah, Citizens, led

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by individuals like Chaos. Theorist Otto Rustler, literally tried to

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Speaker 2: They wanted to pull the plug before it even started.

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Speaker 1: They did. They argued that the risk of destroying the planet,

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no matter how vanishingly small the physicists claimed it was,

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was just an unaccepted will gamble to take without the

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consent of the global population.

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Speaker 3: Which, if you step back from the blackboard and look

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Speaker 1: It makes sense emotionally.

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Speaker 3: The scientific community naturally rush to reassure the public, and

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Speaker 1: Hawking, specifically the concept of Hawking radiation. So let's break

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the term hawking radiation without understanding the mechanism. How exactly

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does a microscopic black hole supposedly neutralize itself.

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very edge of the black hole, the event horizon. Okay,

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is a boiling soup of virtual particles. Pairs of particles

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and anti particles are constantly pomping into existence, colliding and

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be created or destroyed out of nowhere, the universe balances

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particle from the black hole itself. So the black hole

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essentially bleeds mass. It evaporates precisely, and the smaller black

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hole is the faster it radiates and evaporates.

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Speaker 3: The stellar mass black hole takes trillions of years to evaporate,

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but a microscopic black hole created in a particle accelerator.

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the terrifying butt that fueled those two thousand and eight lawsuits.

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What if the math is wrong?

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Speaker 2: Right, that's the sticking Hawking.

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Speaker 1: Radiation is a brilliant theory, but it is entirely theoretical.

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Speaker 1: So the plaintiffs in those lawsuits, we're essentially asking, what

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if just one of these manufactured black holes doesn't evaporate,

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Speaker 3: And that is where we hit the ultimate case study

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in the psychology of risk assessment, because human brains are

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simply not wired to process this specific kind of equation.

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Speaker 2: No, not at all.

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Speaker 3: In standard risk management, you calculate danger by multiplying the

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probability of an event happening by the severity of its consequence.

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Speaker 1: The complete destruction of the Earth in.

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Speaker 3: The erasure of all human history. When the consequence is infinite,

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how do you multiply that by an astronomically small probability.

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in a trillion chance is practically zero. You ignore it

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a one in a trillion chance of the apocalypse is

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Speaker 1: It is like someone handing you a lottery ticket where

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the prize is that you and everyone you love dies.

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you still don't want the ticket.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, keep it away from me.

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Speaker 1: The courts, of course, eventually dismiss these injunctions in two

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thousand and eight, largely deferring to the scientific consensus, and

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allowed the LHC to power up. But reading through these

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historical transcripts, that moment permanently altered public trust.

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Speaker 2: Ohout of doubt.

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Speaker 1: It highlighted a terrifying reality for the average person. A

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few dozen people in Switzerland, brilliant as they are, essentially

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have the power to place a cosmic gamble on behalf

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of the entire planet, and we just have to trust

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Speaker 3: And what's even more unsettling in these safety reports is

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that miniature black holes weren't even the only planet eating

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Speaker 3: The documents point us toward a theoretical substance that is

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Speaker 1: We're talking about strange matter.

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Speaker 3: Yes, or as the subatomic particles are sometimes called, strange.

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Speaker 1: Lits strange lits. It sounds like a nineteen fifties B

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movie monster, but it is a deeply, deeply unsettling concept.

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a brilliant example of how nature's own rules can be

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Speaker 2: It really is.

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Speaker 1: So, what exactly is a strange lit and why were

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ingredients of a normal universe, standard matter, the stuff that

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the Earth itself is made of atoms. Those atoms have

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nuclei made of protons and neutrons, and if you zoom

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Speaker 1: Right, specifically up quarks and down quarks.

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Speaker 1: Energy state, the path of least resistance.

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Speaker 2: This is the scary part.

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Speaker 1: I was reading about this in the sources, and the

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best analogy I could find is Kurt Vonnegut's concept of

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Speaker 2: It forces them to change.

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Speaker 1: The liquid water instantly freezes into ice nine, which then

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Speaker 3: That is a remarkably precise analogy for the mechanism at

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play here. If a stable strain were produced in the

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collider and came into contact with the regular matter of

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the machine's walls, it would act like a cosmic infection.

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Speaker 3: Because the strange lit is in a lower, more stable

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energy state, the regular matter would be compelled by the

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laws of thermodynamics to drop into that same state. An

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atom of iron touches the strange lit and its quarks

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instantly reconfigure into strange matter. It converts exactly, and now

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and it spreads. The reaction is exothermic, releasing massive amounts

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of heat, and it initiates runaway, unstoppable chain reaction. If

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a strangelet were produced, it would drop through the floor

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of the facility due to gravity, falling down into the

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center of the Earth. Oh my gosh, it would begin

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converting the planet from the inside out. The entire Earth,

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every rock, every ocean, every living thing would eventually be

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transformed into a hyper dense, searing hot sphere of strange

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matter roughly the size of a football field. That is

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just everything we know completely reform at it.

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Speaker 1: Let's just sit with that for a second. The Earth

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condensed into a sphere of the size of a football field.

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Speaker 2: It's a lot to take in.

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Speaker 1: I have to push back here on behalf of anyone

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listening who was currently feeling their blood pressure spike. If

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theoretical physicists, the smartest people in the room were the

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ones who originally calculated these specific doomsday scenarios, why on

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Earth did the scientific community proceed with the LHC.

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Speaker 2: It's a fair question.

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Speaker 1: We actually saw this exact same fear back in the

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nineteen nineties with the relativistic heavy ion collider in the

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United States, and the CERN projects just revived the whole

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debate on a larger scale. Where is the line between

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acceptable scientific risk and pure, unadulterated hubris.

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Speaker 3: That is the pivotal question these safety reports had to answer,

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and the consensus among the vast majority of physicists the

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reason they felt confident turning the key relies on what

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they call the cosmic ray argument. Okay, what's that the

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universe is a violent place? High energy particles from deep space,

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known as cosmic rays, have been bombarding the Earth, the Moon,

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and the planets for billions of years, and the energy

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of these natural cosmic collisions far exceeds anything the large

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Speaker 1: Oh I see, so the logic is nature has already

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been running this exact experiment billions of times a day

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Speaker 3: Precisely, if creating planet eating black holes or contagious strange

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lists was simply a matter of smashing particles together at

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high speeds, the Moon would have been converted into a

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dense ball of strange matter eons ago. It makes sense

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the Earth wouldn't be here. The fact that we exist

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to even build a particle accelerator is empirical proof that

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these collisions do not destroy planets. The LHC is simply

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allowing us to recreate these natural microscopic events inside a controlled,

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observable environment.

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Speaker 1: Okay, it's a compelling defense. We're still here, therefore it

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must be safe. But the source materials note that even

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this defense has its attractors.

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Speaker 2: It does because you.

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Speaker 1: Are relying on the assumption that our understanding of these

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natural cosmic collisions is one hundred percent complete. You're assuming

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the conditions in the vacuum of space are exactly identical

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to the conditions inside a subterranean magnetic tube in Switzerland.

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Speaker 2: And if there's an unknown variable.

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Speaker 1: Right, if you are wrong about that subtle distinction, well

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you don't get a chance to hold a press conference

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and apologize. The Earth is already the size of a

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football field exactly that. Okay, let's evolve the conversation. So far,

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we've been talking about the threat of consumption things that

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eat matter. Let's transition to the physics of violent, instantaneous annihilation.

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Speaker 2: A completely different kind of terror.

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Speaker 1: Because we are moving from the abstract theoretical fears of

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black holes and strangelets to a very real, tangible substance

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that CERN is actively producing right now. I'm talking about antimatter.

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Speaker 3: Anti matter is one of the most fascinating and profoundly

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dangerous realities of modern physics, and unlike strangelets, we know

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for an.

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Speaker 2: Absolute fact that it exists.

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Speaker 3: At CERN, Researchers at the Anti Proton Decelerator Facility are

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not just writing equations about it. They're literally manufacturing and

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trapping actual atoms of anti hydrogen.

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Speaker 1: Before we talk about how they trap it, which is

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an engineering miracle, in itself. We need to understand what

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we are dealing with. What exactly is antimatter.

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Speaker 3: In the simplest terms, antimatter is the exact mirror image

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of standard matter. Every fundamental particle in the universe has

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an evil quin, so.

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Speaker 1: To speak, an evil twin.

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Speaker 3: Yeah, an electron has a negative charge. It's antimatter counterpart.

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A positron has the exact same mass, but a positive charge.

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Speaker 1: So it's a perfect symmetry, yes, but it is.

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Speaker 3: A symmetry that absolutely cannot coexist because of this mirrored charge.

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When a particle of matter and a particle of antimatter meat,

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they don't just bounce off each other. They utterly obliterate

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one another in a process called annihilation. One hundred percent

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of their combined mass is instantly converted into pure, unadulterate energy,

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according to Einstein's famous equation EMC squared.

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Speaker 1: And the efficiency of that reaction is staggering. When we

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detonate a nuclear weapon, only a tiny fraction of the

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radioactive core's mass is actually converted into explosive energy. The

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rest is just blown apart as fallouts. Messy exactly, but

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antimatter annihilation is perfect conversion. The sources highlight this with

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terrifying clarity. Just one single gram of antimatter interacting with

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regular matter would produce an explosive force roughly equivalent to

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the atomic bomb dropped on Hiroshima.

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Speaker 2: Just one gram.

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Speaker 1: Think about that one gram. Imagine holding a paper clip

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in the palm of your hand. Now imagine that paper

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clip having the concentrated destructive power to instantly level an

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Speaker 3: It's hard to even wrap your head around. But to

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manage the panic here, we have to clarify scale. The

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amounts of antimatter they're producing at Cerne are microscopic. We're

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talking about individual atoms. To manufacture even a single gram

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of antimatter using current technology would take millions of years

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and cost trillions of dollars.

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Speaker 1: So they don't have a paperclip's worth just sitting around right.

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Speaker 3: There is nowhere near enough antimatter at cern to cause

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any physical harm to the facility, let alone the public.

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Speaker 1: But the philosophical weight of what they are doing in

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that room is immense.

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Speaker 3: Let me ask you this because this is where my

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brain starts to melt. Okay, if antimatter violently annihilates the

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literal microsecond it touches standard matter. What on Earth is

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the container made of? How do you put something in

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a box if the substance inherently destroys the box.

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Speaker 1: That is the million dollar engineering question. You can't put

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it in a glass jar or a steel tank. To

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contain antimatter, physicists had to build a literal invisible thermos.

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Speaker 3: A Penning trap, how does that work? A Penning trap

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uses a highly complex, carefully calibrated combination of electric and

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magnetic fields to suspend the charged antimatter particles in the

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dead center of an ultra high vacuum chamber.

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Speaker 2: Doesn't touch anything exactly.

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Speaker 3: The magnetic field squeeze the particles from the sides, forcing

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them into a tight column, while electric fields cap the ends,

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acting like invisible walls, pushing the particles back toward the center. Wow,

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the antimatter is literally levitating in empty space. It's a

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magnetic cage and it has to be absolutely perfect. Why

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impure and a single stray atom of normal air wanders

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into the trap, the antimatter touches it and poof annihilation,

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a flash of gamma rays, and your experiment is over.

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Speaker 1: Which brings us to a monumental record detailed in the

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CERN archives. In twenty twelve, the Alopiche experiment team managed

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to trap anti hydrogen atoms for one thousand seconds.

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Speaker 2: Which is roughly sixteen minutes.

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Speaker 1: Let's just stop and think about that for a second.

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Sixteen minutes. Imagine sitting in that control room. You have

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successfully manufactured the most volatile explosive substance in the known universe.

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and you are just wh touching a digital timer tick

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up ten minutes, twelve minutes. You are holding the physical

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manifestation of destruction suspended by electricity.

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Speaker 3: It is a stunning achievement. It allowed them for the

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first time to actually study the properties of anti hydrogen,

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to see if it behaves the same way as normal hydrogen.

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Speaker 1: But the tension, knowing that even the tiniest microscopic failure

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in containment means instant annihilation. It perfectly demonstrates humanity pushing

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right up against the absolute limits of physical control. We

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really are We are manipulating the fabric of reality at

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a level where our margin for error is essentially zero.

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Speaker 3: And speaking of the fabric of reality, that perfectly sets

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up our next piece of source material. Oh definitely, Because

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so far we have been talking about breaking the things

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inside the universe, matter, cities, planets. But what happens when

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the machines ATCERN threaten to break the actual underlying logic

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of the universe itself.

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Speaker 1: This is where it gets really weird.

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Speaker 3: We are moving from the threat of physical to instruction

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to an event that terrified physicists for an entirely different reason,

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profound intellectual destruction.

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Speaker 1: Oh man, we have to talk about the twenty eleven

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neutrino anomaly. Reading the transcripts and news reports from this

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period is wildly entertaining now, but at the time it

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was a waking nightmare for the scientific community.

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Speaker 2: It really was.

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Speaker 1: Here's the setup. In twenty eleven, a research collaboration called OPERA,

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which works closely with CERN, made a data announcement that

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shook the entire world of science to its absolute core.

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They had been tracking particles called neutrinos.

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Speaker 2: Neutrinos are fascinating. They are often called ghost particles.

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Speaker 1: Why goost particles.

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Speaker 3: Well, they have almost zero mass and no electrical charge,

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which means they barely interact with standard matter at all.

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Right now, as you are listening to this, trillions of

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neutrinos produced by the Sun are passing straight through your body,

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through the floor, and continuing completely unhindered through the entire

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solid mass.

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Speaker 2: Of the Earth.

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Speaker 1: That is deeply weird to think about. Because they don't

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interact with much, they are notoriously difficult to detect. But

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the Opera experiment was set up to do just that.

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CERN was firing a concentrated beam of neutrinos from their

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facility in Geneva straight through the Earth's crust to a

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highly sensitive underground detector in Grand Sasso, Italy, about seven

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hundred and thirty kilometers away, and.

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Speaker 3: They were timing the journey. They synced up atomic clocks

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using GPS satellites to measure exactly when the neutrinos were

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fired in Switzerland and exactly when they hit the detector

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in Italy.

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Speaker 1: And when they looked at the data in twenty eleven,

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they found something impossible. The neutrinos had arrived at their

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destination sixty nanoseconds faster than a beam of light would

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have in.

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Speaker 2: A vacuum, which is just you can't even process that.

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Speaker 1: They appeared to be traveling faster than the speed of light. Now,

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to a lay person, sixty nanoseconds faster sounds like a

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neat little speed record. But to a physicist, what does

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that specific data point actually mean?

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Speaker 2: It means the universe is broken?

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Speaker 1: Literally broken.

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Speaker 2: Yes.

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Speaker 3: Since nineteen oh five, Albert Einstein's theory of special relativity

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has been the immovable bedrock of modern physics, and the

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central unvilable pillar of relativity is that the speed of

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light in a vacuum, roughly three hundred thousand kilometers per second,

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is the absolute ultimate cosmic speed limit. Nothing with masks

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can ever reach it, and certainly nothing can exceed it.

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If this data was true, if cern had actually observed

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particles outrunning light, it wouldn't just mean Einstein made a

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math air. It would force a ground up rewrite of

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the last century of physics.

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Speaker 1: And let's get into the why of that, because it

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isn't just about speeding tickets in space. The speed of

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light is deeply fundamentally tied to the concept of causality.

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Speaker 3: Right exactly, this is where it gets truly mind bidding.

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the speed of causality is the speed at which one

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event can physically influence another.

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Speaker 1: Okay, stick with me on this.

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but to keep it simple, if you can send a

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particle or send information faster than light, you're essentially sending

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information outside of the boundaries of linear time, which means,

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from the perspective of certain observers in the universe, a

479
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faster than light particle arrives at its destination before it

480
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was fired.

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Speaker 1: Wait, let me make sure I am grasping the horror

482
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of this. The effect happens before the cause. Yes, so

483
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applied to everyday life. The glass shatters on the floor,

484
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and then you knock it off the table.

485
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Speaker 3: Precisely, the universe's fundamental logic collapses. If particles can outrun light,

486
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causality breaks down.

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Speaker 1: That's terrifying.

488
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Speaker 2: It would mean that.

489
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Speaker 3: Time travel paradoxes like the famous Grandfather paradox where you

490
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go back in time and prevent your own birth, become

491
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mathematically real, tangible possibilities.

492
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Speaker 2: The very structure of how we perceive.

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Speaker 3: Reality, sequence, logic, and history would disintegrate.

494
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Speaker 1: The anxiety in the physics community during those months must

495
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have been suffocating. You have multiple PhDs, people who have

496
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dedicated their entire lives to studying the precise roles of

497
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the cosmos, staring into an intellectual abyss.

498
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Speaker 2: I can't even imagine.

499
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Speaker 1: You are faced with the very real possibility that every textbook,

500
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every equation, every foundational assumption you've built your career on

501
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has to be thrown into the fire.

502
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Speaker 3: It is the ultimate intellectual vertigo. Scientists build their worldview

503
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on these pillars. Gravity polls, light has a limit, Cause

504
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precedes effect. To have a pillar kicked out from under

505
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you makes you question your grip on reality itself.

506
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Speaker 1: For months, the smartest scientists on Earth frantically double check

507
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their data, terrified of what this meant. And then the resolution,

508
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the grand finale of this existential.

509
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Speaker 2: Crisis, Oh, the grand finale.

510
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Speaker 1: After months of panic, the Opera team finally discovered the

511
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source of the faster than light neutrinos. It wasn't a

512
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groundbreaking paradigm shift in the fabric of space time. It

513
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was a slightly loose fiber optic cable connecting a GPS

514
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receiver to a computer.

515
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Speaker 2: It is a truly remarkable anti climax.

516
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Speaker 1: It is I'm sorry, but it is objectively hilarious. It's

517
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like thinking you've hacked the matrix, unlock the secrets of

518
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time travel, and proven Einstein of fraud, only to realize

519
00:26:03,240 --> 00:26:05,960
you just needed to jiggle the HDMI cord in the

520
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back of the server.

521
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Speaker 3: Rack is amusing in hindsight, definitely. But even after they

522
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found the loose cable, tightened it and corrected the data,

523
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proving that the neutrinos were indeed obeying the cosmic speed limit,

524
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many physicists admitted in interviews that those few months were

525
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deeply scarring. I bet it was a stark, terrifying reminder

526
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that our grasp on the universe's rules is only as

527
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good as our tools, and our tools are fallible human constructs.

528
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It proved how quickly and how easily the illusion of

529
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our scientific mastery can shatter.

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Speaker 1: That unease, the realization that we are playing with systems

531
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we barely comprehend. Tracks perfectly with the most heavily redacted

532
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and debated sections of the CERN safety files, it really does.

533
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Because breaking causality is a terrifying thought experiment. But what

534
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about accidentally destroying the actual container of the universe itself.

535
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We are moving away from manipulating particles. We are shifting

536
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gears into manipulating the physical geometry of space and time. Right,

537
00:27:03,680 --> 00:27:06,480
cern isn't just looking for smaller pieces of matter, They

538
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are actively hunting for extra dimensions.

539
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Speaker 3: Yes, and while this sounds like pure science fiction, it

540
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is entirely grounded in cutting edge mathematics. How So well,

541
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the standard model of physics is incredibly successful, but it

542
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has gaping holes, It cannot explain gravity very well, and

543
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it doesn't account for dark matter. To solve these problems,

544
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physicists rely on frameworks like string theory. Okay, but the

545
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math of string theory simply does not work in the

546
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universe with only three spatial dimensions and one dimension of time.

547
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The equations require reality to have ten, sometimes eleven dimensions.

548
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Speaker 1: So where are they If we live in an eleven

549
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dimensional universe? Why can I only move up, down, left, right, forward,

550
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and backward.

551
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Speaker 3: The prevailing theory is that these extra dimensions are compactified.

552
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They are curled up so infinitesimally small on the quantum

553
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scale that we simply cannot perceive them or interact with

554
00:27:58,920 --> 00:28:03,319
them right, Some theoretical models suggested that the immense concentrated

555
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energy of the collisions at the Large Hadron Collider could

556
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briefly interact with these hidden geometries. Specifically, the energy could

557
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be great enough to temporarily pry open microwormholes, oh wow,

558
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microscopic gateways, or leaks into these higher dimensions.

559
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Speaker 1: And while physicists are fascinated by this because finding an

560
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extra dimension would be the greatest scientific discovery since fire sick,

561
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the general public heard the word wormholes and absolutely.

562
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Speaker 2: Panicked, completely lost their minds.

563
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Speaker 1: Looking at the media coverage from two thousand and eight,

564
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critics and conspiracy theorists weren't excited about math. They were

565
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worried about what could come through those dimensional openings, or worse,

566
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what part of our world might leak out into the void.

567
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Speaker 3: It taps into an incredibly ancient human fear, the fear

568
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of opening a door that we lack the knowledge or

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power to close. It is Pandora's Box updated for the

570
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atomic age. Absolutely, the public anxiety surrounding these dimensional gateways

571
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became so widespread, it's so incredibly disruptive that cern actually

572
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had to address it legally.

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Speaker 1: I have a summary of the two thousand and eight

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safety report right here. Just think about this from a

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public relations perspective. Cern, a premier scientific organization, had to

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spend time and taxpayer money to publish a formal official

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document that essentially says, we formally promise our machine will

578
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not accidentally summon interdimensional entities, nor will it leak our

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reality into a higher plane of existence.

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Speaker 2: It's absurd, but they had to do it.

581
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Speaker 1: They did. The official word was that any microwormholes created

582
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would be smaller than a proton and would collapse instantaneously.

583
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But the very fact that they had to write that

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report they had to mathematically disprove an interdimensional invasion, shows

585
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how deeply uneasy people were with the sheer scale what

586
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was happening underground?

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Speaker 2: Yeah, for sure.

588
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Speaker 3: And you mentioned earlier looking at the safety reports, that

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there is one concept, one theoretical risk that eclipses all

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the others.

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Speaker 2: Yeah.

592
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Speaker 3: Yeah, a scenario that makes miniature black holes look like

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child's play.

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Speaker 1: Let's untack, false vacuum decay. Because of all the things

595
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in these source materials, this is the one that genuinely

596
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keeps me up at night.

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Speaker 3: False vacuum decay is, without hyperbole, the most apocalyptic scenario

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in all of theoretical physics.

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Speaker 1: Let me explain it to us.

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Speaker 3: To understand it, we have to look at the underlying

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fields that govern reality, specifically the Higgs field. The concept

602
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is based on the idea that our universe as it

603
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exists right now might not be in its most stable

604
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baseline state. Okay, it might exist in what quantum physicists

605
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call a false vacuum.

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Speaker 1: Let's use an analogy here, because vacuum states can get

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dense very quickly. The best way I've heard this described

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is the mountain valley metaphor.

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Speaker 2: Oh, that's a good one.

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Speaker 1: Imagine you are rolling a boulder down the side of

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a massive mountain. Eventually the boulder rolls into a valley

612
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and comes to a complete stop. It feels perfectly stable.

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You can build a house on it, you can build

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a civilization around it. But what you don't realize is

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that this valley isn't the bottom of the mountain. It

616
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is just a temporary life edge, a divot halfway down

617
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the cliff face, and there is a much deeper, much

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more stable, true valley thousands of feet below it.

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Speaker 3: That is a perfect visualization of the mathematics. In this scenario,

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the boulder is the baseline energy state of the entire universe,

621
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governed by the Higgs field. Okay, right now, our universe

622
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is sitting in that temporary valley, the false vacuum. It

623
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is stable enough for galaxies to form, for chemistry to work,

624
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for human life to evolve. But if you give that

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boulder enough of a kick, if you hit it with

626
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an incredibly massive surge of energy, it could roll over

627
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the lip of the temporary valley and plunge down toward

628
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the true bottom of the mountain.

629
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Speaker 1: And in physics terms, the kick that pushes the boulder

630
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over the edge could be a sufficiently high energy particle

631
00:31:47,759 --> 00:31:50,880
collision at the LHC exactly, So what happens at the

632
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universe drops into the true vacuum? What does the bottom

633
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of the mountain look like?

634
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Speaker 3: The results are absolute and instantaneous. The collapse would begin

635
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at the micro scopic point of the collision, inside the colliiner.

636
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It would create a tiny bubble of this new true

637
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vacuum reality.

638
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Speaker 1: And what's inside the bubble.

639
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Speaker 3: Inside this bubble, the fundamental laws of physics would be

640
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completely different. The Higgs field would have a different value.

641
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The forces that hold electrons to a nucleus would change,

642
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the rules of chemistry would cease to exist. Protons might

643
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completely decay.

644
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Speaker 1: Everything that makes matter possible would just stop working exactly.

645
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Speaker 3: And the most terrifying part is the expansion rate. This

646
00:32:31,759 --> 00:32:35,720
bubble of new reality erasing physics wouldn't just sit inside

647
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the collider, Oh no, it would expand outward in all

648
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directions at the exact speed of.

649
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Speaker 1: Light, meaning if they accidentally trigger it a false vacuum

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decay at certain today, we wouldn't even see it coming.

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Speaker 3: You cannot physically see something coming. If it is approaching

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you with the speed of light. The visual information of

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its arrival arise at the exact same instant as the

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destruction itself.

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Speaker 2: Just boof.

656
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Speaker 3: There would be no warning, no alarm bells, no time

657
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to comprehend what happened. And one moment you were sitting here,

658
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and the next the very fundamental laws that allow your

659
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atoms to bind together are rewritten, and you, the Earth,

660
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and eventually the entire solar system simply cease to exist

661
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in any recognizable form.

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Speaker 1: That is profound. It is the ultimate off switch for existence.

663
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Now to pull us back from the ledge. Here, theorists

664
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and later studies heavily concluded that this was nearly impossible

665
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at the current energy levels. The LHC reaches right.

666
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Speaker 2: The cosmic ray argument holds up here too.

667
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Speaker 1: The universe has survived much higher energy impacts, but the lingering,

668
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pervasive dread is tied to the unknown. Humans are artificially

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creating localized energy levels and manipulating fields in ways never

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before achieved by our species, and this unease reached a

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global fever pitch in twenty twelve around a very specific

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monumental discovery.

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Speaker 2: The Higgs boson.

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Speaker 3: The Higgs boson Yes July twenty twelve. The discovery and

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confirmation of the Higgs boson by CERN was a monumental

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historic triumph for physics. It was the missing puzzle piece

677
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of the Standard.

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Speaker 1: Model because it proves the Higgs field right.

679
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Speaker 3: The Higgs boson is the physical manifestation of the Higgs

680
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fields which we were just discussing. It is essentially the

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mechanism that gives mass to all other fundamental particles. Without

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the Higgs field, electrons would just zip around at the

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speed of light, never clumping together to form atoms. It

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is the reason matter has weight, the reason stars ignite,

685
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the reason we physically exist.

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Speaker 1: The science was beautiful, but the public relations surrounding it

687
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an absolute unmitigated disaster. Oh co, the mainstream media looking

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for a catchy headline, nicknamed the Higgs Boson the God Particle.

689
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Now I am not a pr expert, but if you

690
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want the general public to stay calm about your massive

691
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underground dimension hunting machine, maybe do not use terminology that

692
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directly implies you are playing god with the foundational machinery

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of reality.

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Speaker 3: It really was the worst possible name.

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Speaker 1: The headlines were wild, blogs and news outlets claim cern

696
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might destroy the universe by creating something unnat. People were

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actively linking the discovery of the Higgs Boson to ancient

698
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Mayan doomsday prophecies, considering twenty twelve was already a young

699
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steeped in apocalyptic superstition, and.

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Speaker 3: While the public panic was largely sensationalized by journalists wanting clicks,

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if you read the internal transcripts and letters from the

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scientific community at the time, there was real genuine.

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Speaker 1: Unease even among the scientists.

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Speaker 3: Yes, they weren't worried about immediate destruction, but they were

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deeply concerned about the philosophical implications of what they were doing.

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Even Peter Higgs himself, the brilliant theoretical physicist who originally

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predicted the particle in the nineteen sixties and whom it's

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named after, was on record warning that high energy physics

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could unleash unexpected consequences.

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Speaker 1: That's chilling coming from him.

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Speaker 3: When you were literally tinkering with the mechanism that gives

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mass to reality, you were tampering with the foundation of

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existence itself.

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Speaker 1: The world obviously didn't end in twenty twelve when they

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confirmed the discovery. We're still here talking about it. But

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the panic it triggered is a perfect illustration of how

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quickly scerns experiments cross the line from groundbreaking mathematics to

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absolutely terrifying existentialism.

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Speaker 2: It's unavoidable.

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Speaker 1: The fear is a natural, unavoidable byproduct of stepping out

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of the light of known science and into the absolute

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pitch black of the unknown. We are monkeys who found

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a control panel to a spaceship and we are just

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pressing glowing buttons to see what the ship does.

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Speaker 3: That's a highly compelling way to look at it, and

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it perfectly explains the final category of documents we need

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to review.

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Speaker 1: Today the weird stuff exactly.

729
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Speaker 3: Because when a machine doesn't just attract scientific inquiry but

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acts as a lightning rod for human superstition, paranoia, and

731
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incredibly bizarre side effects, you start to see the culture

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around the machine warp just as much as the magnetic

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fields inside it.

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Speaker 1: Let's talk about the physical footprint of this thing. We

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mentioned earlier that it consumes the energy of a city,

736
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but the source materials have the exact numbers, and they

737
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are staggering. The large high drin collider consumes around one

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point three tarawatt hours of electricity every single year.

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Speaker 3: To contextualize that for the listener, one point three tarrawhite

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hours is roughly equivalent to the annual energy consumption of

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a small to medium sized country or a major metropolitan city.

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Speaker 1: That is just insane.

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Speaker 3: And all of that raw, crackling electrical power is being

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funneled into a subterranean ring just to smash invisible subatomic

745
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particles together. It requires so much energy from the grid

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that during the winter of twenty fifteen, cern actually had

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to agree to shut down major experiments.

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Speaker 1: Wait really, yeah.

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Speaker 3: The country of Switzerland simply did not have enough power

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to keep the civilian grid running, keep homes heated during

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the cold months, and simultaneously operate the LHC.

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Speaker 1: That is wild. The machine is so incredibly thirsty for

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energy that it can literally dictate national power schedules, and

754
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that sheer incomprehensible volume of electromagnetic energy being pumped into

755
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the Earth's crust spawned an entirely new genre.

756
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Speaker 2: Of modern oh the Internet rumors.

757
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Speaker 1: Looking at the Internet archives from the twenty tens, people

758
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started linking the operation times of CERN to bizarre, unseasonable

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weather patterns across Europe, and even to seismic activity and

760
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earthquakes around.

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Speaker 3: The globe, which, to be clear, scientists entirely dismissed. The

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magnetic fields generated by the superconducting magnets are incredibly powerful,

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up to one hundred thousand times stronger than the Earth's

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natural magnetic field, but they are highly localized and tightly

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contained within the accelerator ring. They aren't altering tectonic plates

766
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thousands of miles away. But again, look at the underlying psychology.

767
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When a single scientific instrument can drink a city's worth

768
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of electricity, it feels like an experiment that is far

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too powerful for fragile humans to safely control exactly. It

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evokes a primal mythological fear of tampering with nature's equilibrium.

771
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It is Icarus flying too close to the Sun, but

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with superconducting magnets.

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Speaker 1: Luck. I have to defend the public here. If you

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build a subterranean machine that drinks a city's worth of power,

775
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smashes the building blocks of reality together, actively searches for

776
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hidden dimensions, and is explicitly studying the God particle. Of course,

777
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people are going to get weirded out farepoint, and honestly,

778
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CERN did not exactly help their own case with their

779
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landscaping choices. Let's talk about the Shiva statue.

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Speaker 2: Ah, yes, then that Raja.

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Speaker 1: In August of twenty sixteen, a video surfaced online that

782
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caused an absolute uproar, spreading across social media like wildfire.

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Shot from a window overlooking the main courtyard of the

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CERN facility at night, it appeared to show a group

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of individuals in dark flowing cloaks performing a mock human sacrifice,

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this complete with a very theatrical stabbing of a woman

787
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in white on the stone courtyard.

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Speaker 3: And the crucial detail is where this was filmed. It

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took place directly in front of a massive two meter

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tall bronze statue of the Hindu deity Shiva, specifically Shiva,

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portrayed as the Nataraja, the lord of the dance. In

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Hindu theology, Shiva is part of the s supreme prinity

793
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and is widely known as the destroyer. The cosmic dance

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of the Natarajo represents the rhythmic, endless cycle of the

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destruction and the creation.

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Speaker 2: Of the universe.

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Speaker 1: Now let's look at this rationally for a second. The

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statue was an official gift from the Government of India

799
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given to CERN in two thousand and four to celebrate

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their long association with the facility.

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Speaker 2: A completely standard diplomatic.

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Speaker 1: Gift exactly, and from a pure physics standpoint, I actually

803
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completely get it. The metaphor of Shiva dancing the universe

804
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into and out of existence is a beautiful, deeply poetic

805
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parallel to what is happening inside the collider, particles violently

806
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annihilating each other to create entirely new exotic particles. It

807
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is the dance of subatomic creation and destruction.

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Speaker 2: It's very fitting, but from a public.

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Speaker 1: Relations optic standpoint, it is a nightmare. You have a

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machine that a vocal segment of the population actively believes

811
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will destroy the world, and you put a literal statue

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of the destroyer of worlds in your front yard.

813
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Speaker 3: The optics were indeed terrible. The twenty sixteen videos sent

814
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the Internet into overdrive. People legitimately believed and some still do,

815
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that CERN was a front for performing occult rituals tied

816
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to their high energy experiments, actively trying to open demonic

817
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portals or some in dark.

818
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Speaker 1: Entities, which forced CERN to respond.

819
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Speaker 3: CERN launched an internal investigation and had to issue public

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statements confirming that the.

821
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Speaker 2: Video was a prank, very bad prank.

822
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Speaker 3: It was staged by researchers or visiting scientists who had

823
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authorized badge access to the secure grounds, basically making a

824
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very dark, very ill advised joke during their downtime.

825
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Speaker 1: But the damage was done. The imagery of a midnight sacrifice,

826
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combined with the stated scientific mission of recreating the exact

827
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conditions of the Big Bang, deeply disturbed people. It left

828
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a lasting cultural impression that permanently associated these high energy

829
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physics experiments with the occult.

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Speaker 3: It made a lot of physicists highly uncomfortable because it

831
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highlighted a massive disconnect between the sterile, rigorous math they

832
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were doing the labs and how the public was a

833
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motion processing their life's work.

834
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Speaker 1: It is the perfect storm of high science and dark folklore.

835
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But of all the weird bizarre incidents linked to CERN

836
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in these files, my absolute favor, and honestly, the most

837
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theoretically unhinged but fascinating concept, comes from a malfunction in

838
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two thousand and nine, the Great Baguette sabotage.

839
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Speaker 3: It is certainly one of the strangest, most absurd events

840
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in the facility's storied history.

841
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Speaker 1: Set the scene for us.

842
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Speaker 3: In November of two thousand and nine, the large Hadron

843
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Collire experience a sudden, serious power failure in one of

844
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its cooling plants. Engineers scrambled, assuming a highly complex piece

845
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of superconducting machinery had broken down. Understandably, what they discovered

846
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upon inspecting the outdoor above ground electrical installations was that

847
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a piece of bread, specifically a piece of a French baguette,

848
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had fallen into the high voltage machinery, shorting out the system.

849
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Speaker 1: A piece of bread dropped presumably from the sky by

850
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a passing bird. A multi billion dollar reality smashing machine

851
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temporarily brought to its knee by a pigeons lunch. It

852
00:43:01,760 --> 00:43:05,239
is objectively hilarious. It sounds like a cartoon, It really does.

853
00:43:05,320 --> 00:43:07,760
But what makes this story so eerie and why it

854
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is included in these declassified physics discussions wasn't just the

855
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malfunction itself. It was the timing, and it was the wild,

856
00:43:14,320 --> 00:43:19,079
peer reviewed theoretical speculation that followed from actual respected physicists.

857
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Speaker 3: This is where we crossed the line from a funny

858
00:43:21,239 --> 00:43:26,599
engineering failure into theoretical philosophy. The LAC had faced an

859
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unprecedented series of delays, massive magnet quenches, and bizarre malfunctions

860
00:43:31,760 --> 00:43:35,119
leading up to its highly anticipated search for the Higgs boson.

861
00:43:35,360 --> 00:43:39,760
Things just kept going wrong constantly. Following the bird incident,

862
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two highly respected theoretical physicists, Holger beck Nielsen from the

863
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Nils Bore Institute and Masao Ninomiya from the Yukawa Institute

864
00:43:48,440 --> 00:43:52,239
in Japan, published a series of papers proposing a mathematical

865
00:43:52,280 --> 00:43:54,880
model that sounded like a joke but was exploring a

866
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real mathematical anomaly.

867
00:43:56,760 --> 00:43:59,840
Speaker 1: The theory of retroactive sabotage. I read these papers and

868
00:43:59,880 --> 00:44:02,559
my jaw hit the floor. Let's break down exactly what

869
00:44:02,599 --> 00:44:02,960
they were.

870
00:44:02,880 --> 00:44:06,800
Speaker 3: Suggestingnielsen and Nino Mia speculated that perhaps this string of

871
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failures wasn't just incredibly bad luck. They used complex mathematical

872
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models to suggest that the discovery of the Higgs boson,

873
00:44:13,960 --> 00:44:16,760
or the creation of certain high energy conditions might be

874
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so fundamentally abhorrent to the universe, or perhaps so dangerous

875
00:44:20,280 --> 00:44:23,800
to the underlying fabric of reality, that nature or time

876
00:44:23,840 --> 00:44:27,599
itself was acting retroactively to stop the machine from operating.

877
00:44:27,840 --> 00:44:31,559
Speaker 1: It is essentially the grandfather paradox applied to particle physics.

878
00:44:31,840 --> 00:44:32,400
Speaker 2: Exactly.

879
00:44:32,840 --> 00:44:35,320
Speaker 3: Imagine a time traveler going back in time to stop

880
00:44:35,360 --> 00:44:39,360
a massive disaster. But in this mathematical theory, the time

881
00:44:39,400 --> 00:44:41,719
traveler isn't a person in a machine.

882
00:44:42,360 --> 00:44:43,119
Speaker 1: What is it?

883
00:44:43,119 --> 00:44:46,519
Speaker 3: It is a literal ripple of probability from the future,

884
00:44:46,800 --> 00:44:50,280
moving backward through time to increase the likelihood of seemingly

885
00:44:50,400 --> 00:44:53,920
random malfunctions like a loose connection or a bird dropping

886
00:44:53,920 --> 00:44:57,119
a piece of bread in the exact right spot, specifically

887
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to prevent cern from making the discovery. The universe was

888
00:45:00,679 --> 00:45:02,559
mathematically rejecting the experiment.

889
00:45:02,679 --> 00:45:04,840
Speaker 1: It is the most incredible concept. If I am a

890
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time traveler from the year three thousand and My desperate

891
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mission is to prevent the universe from being instantly erased

892
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by a false vacuum decay triggered at Cerne. Dropping a

893
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piece of a baguette into an outdoor power supply is

894
00:45:16,719 --> 00:45:20,119
objectively the funniest, most French way to save reality.

895
00:45:20,320 --> 00:45:20,880
Speaker 2: He really is.

896
00:45:21,199 --> 00:45:24,679
Speaker 3: Most mainstream physicists laughed this theory off, obviously classifying it

897
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as a fun mathematical exercise rather than actual physics. But

898
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the sources note that some scientists submitted the endless string

899
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of coincidences and delays was at the very least kind.

900
00:45:33,239 --> 00:45:35,719
Speaker 1: Of unsettling if we synthesize all of this, If we

901
00:45:35,760 --> 00:45:38,719
look at the entire scope of the materials we've reviewed today,

902
00:45:39,320 --> 00:45:42,840
the fears of microsopic black holes, the contagious spread of

903
00:45:42,880 --> 00:45:46,960
strange lids, the destructive curity of antimatter but lot, the

904
00:45:47,039 --> 00:45:51,480
intellectual terror of breaking causality, the existential dread of false

905
00:45:51,559 --> 00:45:55,400
vacuum decay, the Shiva statue, and the time traveling birds.

906
00:45:56,079 --> 00:45:59,760
What we are really looking at is a profound psychological phenomenon.

907
00:45:59,960 --> 00:46:03,039
Speaker 3: Is it's a modern myth making process happening in real time.

908
00:46:03,480 --> 00:46:06,360
The science happening atcern is so abstract, the math is

909
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so dense, and it operates at energy level so far

910
00:46:09,360 --> 00:46:12,840
beyond standard human experience that the human brain simply cannot

911
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process it as just engineering.

912
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Speaker 1: Right. We have evolutionary frames of reference for fire, for storms,

913
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for predators. We do not have an evolutionary frame of

914
00:46:21,000 --> 00:46:24,320
reference for the Higgs field, or an eleven dimensional wormhole

915
00:46:24,679 --> 00:46:26,840
or antimatter annihilation exactly.

916
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Speaker 3: And when humans encounter the truly incomprehensible our minds automatically

917
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referred to mythology. We project our deepest, most primal fears

918
00:46:34,800 --> 00:46:35,480
onto the machine.

919
00:46:35,559 --> 00:46:36,159
Speaker 1: We make story.

920
00:46:36,360 --> 00:46:39,920
Speaker 3: We create sweeping stories of occultism, of weather, control of

921
00:46:39,960 --> 00:46:43,519
the universe, actively fighting back against our hubris. It proves

922
00:46:43,519 --> 00:46:46,559
that no matter how advanced our science becomes, no matter

923
00:46:46,599 --> 00:46:50,639
how precise our mathematics get, human superstition, awe and terror

924
00:46:50,840 --> 00:46:54,920
will always remain deeply intertrined with our discoveries. The machine

925
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is a mirror reflecting our own existential anxieties back at.

926
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Speaker 1: Us, which brings us to the big picture of this

927
00:47:00,559 --> 00:47:04,159
entire journey. Today, we have gone from the incredibly microscopic

928
00:47:04,239 --> 00:47:07,119
fear of a tiny singularity evaporating in a fraction of

929
00:47:07,159 --> 00:47:11,280
a second to cosmic infections of strange matter converting the Earth.

930
00:47:11,840 --> 00:47:15,440
We have visualized holding the raw explosive power of antimatter

931
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in an invisible magnetic cage for sixteen agonizing minute. We

932
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have stared down the intellectual abyss of breaking causality with

933
00:47:24,039 --> 00:47:27,679
faster than light neutrinos, realizing that our understanding of time

934
00:47:27,719 --> 00:47:31,440
could shatter. We looked at the literal abyss of erasing

935
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our entire universe through the speed of light expansion of

936
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false vacuum decay, and we've seen how all of this

937
00:47:37,320 --> 00:47:40,960
immense crushing pressure cooks the collective human psyche until we

938
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are analyzing a bird dropping a piece of bread as

939
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an act of cosmic time traveling self defense.

940
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Speaker 3: This entire saga perfectly highlights humanity's relentless, almost reckless drive

941
00:47:52,320 --> 00:47:56,760
to understand the universe. We are a species uniquely driven

942
00:47:56,800 --> 00:48:00,719
by profound, insatiable curiosity. We want to know how the

943
00:48:00,760 --> 00:48:03,480
clockwork of reality functions. We want to take the clock

944
00:48:03,519 --> 00:48:04,719
apart and see the gears.

945
00:48:04,840 --> 00:48:07,440
Speaker 1: But as we dig deeper, the tools required to dismantle

946
00:48:07,440 --> 00:48:10,679
that clock become more extreme and the energies involved become

947
00:48:10,760 --> 00:48:14,000
far more perilous. Looking at these Sowne debates forces us

948
00:48:14,079 --> 00:48:16,840
to ask a deeply uncomfortable question that will only become

949
00:48:16,880 --> 00:48:18,800
more relevant as technology advances.

950
00:48:18,960 --> 00:48:20,199
Speaker 2: Where's the boundary?

951
00:48:20,239 --> 00:48:25,719
Speaker 1: Exactly? At what precise point does brave noble scientific exploration

952
00:48:26,320 --> 00:48:30,599
cross the line into dangerous existential hubris? And that is

953
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the exact question I want to turn over to you

954
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listening right now. We have talked about all the theories,

955
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the risk probabilities, the engineering miracles, and the mind bending

956
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realities of what happens hundreds of feet underground at CERN.

957
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Now it's your turn, So I am putting you in

958
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the driver's seat. I want you to imagine you were

959
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standing in the main control room. You have the final

960
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button in front of you. You know for an absolute

961
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fact that this button will turn on a machine that

962
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is guaranteed to give humanity the ultimate final answers to the.

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Speaker 2: UNI, the final truth.

964
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Speaker 1: It will perfectly explain dark matter, it will map the

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extra dimensions, it will reveal the exact mechanism of the

966
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birth of time itself. We will become a fully enlightened species.

967
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But the physicist besides you hand you a clipboard with

968
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a mathematically proven one a trillion chance that pressing that

969
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button will cause a false vacuum decay and instantly, painlessly

970
00:49:21,360 --> 00:49:24,519
erase our entire reality the ultimate weight? Would you press it?

971
00:49:25,039 --> 00:49:28,880
Do the ends the ultimate final enlightenment of the human species,

972
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justify the microscopic, practically non existent risk of the ultimate means?

973
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Where is your personal line between the pursuit of knowledge

974
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and the instinct for survival.

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Speaker 2: It's a tough call.

976
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Speaker 1: We really want to know where you stand on this.

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Leave a comment below and let us know your thoughts

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on the ultimate cosmic gamble. Thank you so much for

979
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joining us on this incredibly deep dive to the very

980
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edge of physics, philosophy, and fear. This has been thrilling threads,

981
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and I'll catch you on the next one. Goodbye,