Speaker 1: Welcome to my world, bitch.
Speaker 2: Wow, good boy.
Speaker 3: Here.
Speaker 1: Welcome to the one hundred and seventy second episode of
Speaker 1: the Supernatural Occurrent Studies.
Speaker 3: Podcast So Paranormal.
Speaker 1: My name is Jason Knight, host of the show, and
Speaker 1: with me as always is Oscar.
Speaker 3: I can't think of an adjective.
Speaker 1: Spector, producer, extraordinary and podcast co host.
Speaker 3: I fucking froze.
Speaker 1: You did freeze choked In all these episodes, I've never
Speaker 1: seen you choke. You always free.
Speaker 3: Well today it was in a big rush. I left
Speaker 3: my batteries. It's no vape by now. I left my
Speaker 3: spare batteries at home. Oh, it's gonna be extra angry
Speaker 3: at you today.
Speaker 1: You have been so far geriatric abuse, mean bester.
Speaker 3: Yeah, yeah, we're just so old.
Speaker 1: Hey, real quick, can't be all Saints Day to all
Speaker 1: the Catholics out there. It's all Saints Day, Catholics, all
Speaker 1: the Catlics. I just wanted to get that out there, Oscar.
Speaker 1: What has been going on with you, my friend?
Speaker 3: What has been going on? Nothing much as of this recording,
Speaker 3: we haven't we have yet to experience Halloween, so we
Speaker 3: can't give you any real updates on that. So it's
Speaker 3: so funny that people have to wait till the December
Speaker 3: show to find that, to find out what happened on
Speaker 3: Halloween in our timeline like so to speak. But yeah,
Speaker 3: when you listen to this, I hope you everyone has
Speaker 3: to save Halloween. Hopefully the world isn't in ruins as
Speaker 3: the way it feels like it's heading down right now.
Speaker 3: It sure does, especially by my neck of the woods.
Speaker 3: And and I'm I'm by the way, in a safer
Speaker 3: place in most places anyway, So I hope, I hope
Speaker 3: we have some great stories in the future for Halloween.
Speaker 3: But I'm gaming up. I'm excited, you know, Jay, I'm
Speaker 3: not gonna spoil or tell you even though you're not
Speaker 3: going to be there for all these events. But I'm
Speaker 3: not going to tell you exactly. But I have four
Speaker 3: different costumes for four different events. I've already had one
Speaker 3: yours is another like your Halloween on Halloween Day, I
Speaker 3: mean that's that's the second one, and there's a party
Speaker 3: after that. I might go late at night anyway, after
Speaker 3: my house, after your house. I might do it depends
Speaker 3: how much fun I'm having with you. We'll see. No pressure,
Speaker 3: by the way.
Speaker 1: Wow, no pressure. I have to perform.
Speaker 3: I said, no pressure, I see your pressure.
Speaker 1: Depending on how much fun just.
Speaker 3: Said, oh my god, impossible to shop for anyway. Yeah,
Speaker 3: two others one of them got cancer. One of them
Speaker 3: was this cool idea for a party was a glowing
Speaker 3: the Dark themed costs to Halloween party. So everyone had
Speaker 3: to wear something that would either enhance gold and the
Speaker 3: dark stuff like whites or some of those kind of
Speaker 3: colors or what I had in mind was like all black,
Speaker 3: and I had this like glowing dark sticker like tape.
Speaker 3: I was gonna tape like like ruine symbols on me.
Speaker 3: They have it glow in the in the party, but
Speaker 3: it got canceled. Board it was one of my no
Speaker 3: no well maybe and uh, but got no because I
Speaker 3: also have this mask as like a perche mask that
Speaker 3: lights up okay, like it has like a battery thing.
Speaker 3: So I was in a combining with that. Uh, but
Speaker 3: that one got canceled. So I'm still looking for something
Speaker 3: for that one. But yeah, I'm going to like an
Speaker 3: x rayed haunted house of course you are, Yeah that?
Speaker 1: Could you give us one tidbit about an X rayed
Speaker 1: haunted house.
Speaker 3: I didn't memorize the event details.
Speaker 1: But spooky glory holes, like, what are we doing?
Speaker 3: Actually? I think I think there will be glory holes. Yes, wow,
Speaker 3: I think that. I think that's for sure. I mean
Speaker 3: I can look it up right now.
Speaker 1: But I hope the kids are in bed.
Speaker 3: No, there's no children, a lot of them.
Speaker 1: Like is there a Dracula head around the glory hole?
Speaker 3: No, I don't know how.
Speaker 1: I'd be terrible.
Speaker 3: I don't know how serious or sanitary. I don't know
Speaker 3: how whimsical or you know whatever. They're gonna treat it.
Speaker 1: Well.
Speaker 3: They have food here that have costume contest, so it's
Speaker 3: gonna be it won't be just like sex everywhere, so
Speaker 3: that's good, but it is, but it is like sexy costumes, okay,
Speaker 3: like lingerie. Lingerie is heavily inspired, are recommended for like
Speaker 3: women for example, and guys and boxes or whatever. Yeah,
Speaker 3: so it's gonna be like that, I guess so.
Speaker 1: But with someone with my people might have body paint,
Speaker 1: my stature and my girth. Be comfortable walking around.
Speaker 3: As long as you are comfortable with your own body
Speaker 3: and then yes, and.
Speaker 1: I'm not, but don't do it all right, No.
Speaker 3: But everyone's pretty chill on these things though. I would
Speaker 3: say one of the best things about nowadays. And I
Speaker 3: mentioned this before. I think in other times that people
Speaker 3: are much more chill about kind of thing. No one really, No,
Speaker 3: it's it's all about it. If you're there and you
Speaker 3: don't fuck with anyone else, everyone's cool with you, no
Speaker 3: matter how we look or what you'r. You know, like
Speaker 3: you shoe, you shot. If you they turn you down
Speaker 3: as no big deal, that's fine. That happens still. But
Speaker 3: like no one chat says you, and no one says like
Speaker 3: you're too ugly for nothing means nothing like that ever
Speaker 3: happens anymore. And that is great.
Speaker 1: That is that's a that's a wonderful thing.
Speaker 3: I haven't seen it anywhere. I'm sure they exist somewhere,
Speaker 3: but I haven't seen anything.
Speaker 1: It's just me. I have deep seated insecurities.
Speaker 3: Yeah, I mean we all know that for sure.
Speaker 1: Be comfortable with who you are.
Speaker 3: Yeah, away to say, like the only person that can
Speaker 3: inflict mental anguish is you is my point.
Speaker 1: I'm so good at it.
Speaker 3: Yeah, I know you are really good at it. I
Speaker 3: stop buying you mirrors for your birthday for the reason.
Speaker 1: Yeah. No, that sounds fun, man, that sounds fun.
Speaker 3: Thank you. Obviously, I can't tell you what the costume
Speaker 3: might have planned for for your event because you told
Speaker 3: me not to tell you, and now I'll keep the surprise.
Speaker 3: But it is fun. It's a fun little customer.
Speaker 1: That's great.
Speaker 3: It's not too vandish, but it's pretty cool. And you
Speaker 3: have your decorations out and I love them.
Speaker 1: Oh, thank you. Yeah. The front of the house, it's
Speaker 1: I have to say, it is looking nice. I got
Speaker 1: a new animatronic out there. It's it's like almost I
Speaker 1: don't like a four foot slimer. Yeah, so cool fucking
Speaker 1: it is.
Speaker 3: It's basically life like basically.
Speaker 1: And when it goes off, his his eyes light up
Speaker 1: and he makes the sounds from the Ghostbuster movie.
Speaker 3: What was the thing? I was like, I know, with
Speaker 3: some American staple food.
Speaker 1: I thank you, And then I have one more animatronic
Speaker 1: arriving tomorrow because last year in my town we had
Speaker 1: a windstorm, like a record setting windstorm, and it destroyed
Speaker 1: a number of my animatronics, so, uh, I had to
Speaker 1: order some new ones. I got one more coming tomorrow.
Speaker 1: I'm not gonna say what that is. Yeah, I'm gonna
Speaker 1: anchor them. And I think the weather's gonna be nice
Speaker 1: this time, so it should be good. But yeah, my
Speaker 1: cousin Corey built me this fucking awesome casket coffin and
Speaker 1: we burned it with a torch. I mean it looks
Speaker 1: really cool. So that's all lit up in there. Jason
Speaker 1: Voorhi's standing right at the front of my house.
Speaker 3: Yeah, at the front of the yard. Yeah, he's like
Speaker 3: a guard dog.
Speaker 1: Yes. Yeah, I got this huge you know, twelve twelve
Speaker 1: whatever foot skeletons, zombies out there.
Speaker 3: It's it's great, it's a fun it's a fun front year.
Speaker 3: I took a picture. I want to post it. It's
Speaker 3: gonna be cool. Yeah, there's no address, but yeah, awesome.
Speaker 1: So yeah, we'll report back in the holy time of
Speaker 1: Christmas December on what happened.
Speaker 3: It's so weird. Devil's Night two months make a huge
Speaker 3: very cool.
Speaker 1: Well, I I started a new career. I just want
Speaker 1: to put it out there. Oh yeah, I'm super excited
Speaker 1: about it. I'm like, you know, at the pinnacle now
Speaker 1: kind of my industry. Yeah, which is really really exciting, scary, but.
Speaker 3: Well, Glory Halls Camp.
Speaker 1: Is that sanitary? You know? It was a rough four years,
Speaker 1: really bad. Yeah, but now there's sun on the horizon,
Speaker 1: sailing off into better things. I'm really excited about that.
Speaker 1: So I just wanted to mention that, yeah, utter than that.
Speaker 1: It is late October. Yes, it's almost seventy five degrees
Speaker 1: in this fucking house. I need to turn on the
Speaker 1: air conditioner, but you know it's it's too loud with
Speaker 1: the mics. So we have to get going with this
Speaker 1: episode because my family's dying. Yes, I said no, I'm
Speaker 1: not turning on the AC because the word according to
Speaker 1: pick it up. But who would have thought in late December,
Speaker 1: I'm going to jack up the the fucking act. What
Speaker 1: did I say?
Speaker 3: You set December?
Speaker 1: Sorry? Could you dt that out?
Speaker 3: Nope?
Speaker 1: Yeah, late October. It's just unheard of. It's unheard of. Yeah,
Speaker 1: you're right, So after this, I'm going to set it
Speaker 1: to sixty five where we like, it just doesn't make sense, Oscar.
Speaker 1: We are drinking some whiskey. This is Jay Henry. This
Speaker 1: is a Wisconsin distillery.
Speaker 3: This is a very Is that John Hendry? Jay Henry? Like,
Speaker 3: I like your story.
Speaker 1: I don't know who is good back? Homer Jaysmpson, j.
Speaker 3: Oh, my name is Homer, Jay.
Speaker 1: Jay Henry and sons. They're from Wisconsin. This is a
Speaker 1: special bottle. It's La Flem. It's aged in Armagnac barrels Armignac.
Speaker 1: Listen to the outtakes. I want it to me to say,
Speaker 1: Armagnac one hundred and thirteen point five proof aged five
Speaker 1: years is fucking delicious. Nice. I love this bottle. What
Speaker 1: do you think? Do you like?
Speaker 3: I love it?
Speaker 1: There we go, Okay, should take a break, poor a
Speaker 1: little bit more whiskey. You take a break and we'll
Speaker 1: be back Oscar. I liked what you did last episode
Speaker 1: with the multiple shorter stories. Oh yes, so I followed
Speaker 1: that theme.
Speaker 3: Oh is that what people are to be expecting?
Speaker 1: Expect some short stories tonight.
Speaker 3: Okay, I like it and stay with.
Speaker 1: Us, listeners, welcome back to the show. Well, the lights
Speaker 1: are turned down low, the ceremonial candle is lit, and
Speaker 1: the Armagnac is flowing. My god, let's start this show. So,
Speaker 1: like I said, I brought to the table this evening,
Speaker 1: three stories, three shorter stories, because I was I did
Speaker 1: like that idea you came up with last last episode.
Speaker 1: So my first story is called Strange Visitor.
Speaker 3: Oh you titled them?
Speaker 1: I did?
Speaker 3: You gave them titles.
Speaker 1: Okay, across the vast ocean of the Milky Way, a
Speaker 1: rare traveler has emerged from the depths of interstellar space,
Speaker 1: streaking through the Solar System at unimaginable speed. Comet Atlas,
Speaker 1: a mysterious visitor that is not just another frozen relic
Speaker 1: of space, but an interstellar enigma carrying secrets from a
Speaker 1: time and place far beyond our own. Is not bound
Speaker 1: to our Sun or any star, but instead drifts on
Speaker 1: a timeless journey through the galaxy older than our Solar System.
Speaker 1: Three I Atlas carries with it the chemical fingerprints of
Speaker 1: distant stars, and now it graces us humanity with a
Speaker 1: fleeting passage, offering a brief chance to glimpse the mysteries
Speaker 1: of creation itself. As it hurdles closer, glowing green and
Speaker 1: defying expectations, Scientists and stargazers alike are left to wonder.
Speaker 1: Is three Eye Atlas simply a comet from another star
Speaker 1: or a messenger with a purpose we've yet to understand? Now,
Speaker 1: ask her, have you heard of three Eye Atlas?
Speaker 3: No? Honestly, nah, yeah, pretty mind? Yeah, Okay, I don't
Speaker 3: think so.
Speaker 1: And it's fine, and maybe there's you know, probably listeners
Speaker 1: out there who haven't as well. But this has been
Speaker 1: news all over the world. This this strange comment. Okay,
Speaker 1: and I thought about, you know, talking about it before,
Speaker 1: but I just didn't have This is not enough there,
Speaker 1: but perfect for an episode like this. Yeah, shorter stories.
Speaker 1: Now comment three ie Atlas, And that's three I slash forward,
Speaker 1: slash a T L A S.
Speaker 3: So is it a drawing of an eye?
Speaker 1: No? Okay no, but it gets its name from two sources.
Speaker 1: Everyone's like, why is it so weird? Why is it
Speaker 1: such a weird name? Three I signifies that it's the
Speaker 1: third confirmed interstellar object we've ever detected. An ATLAS refers
Speaker 1: to the Asteroid Terrestrial Impact Laser Alert System acronym ATLAS. Okay,
Speaker 1: third interstellar comment right, detected by this powerful telescope array
Speaker 1: called ATLAS. Now. It was first spotted on July first,
Speaker 1: twenty twenty five, by the Atlas telescope in Chile. The
Speaker 1: comet had in fact been silently drifting through our solar
Speaker 1: system for quite some time before astronomers even realized this
Speaker 1: thing was there, its presence hidden in older telescope images,
Speaker 1: just waiting to be discovered now. Unlike a simple space rock,
Speaker 1: if you could call space rock simple. Three Iye Atlas
Speaker 1: is classified as a comet because as it approaches our Sun,
Speaker 1: it releases gas and dust that creates a glowing coma
Speaker 1: and a tail. What makes it especially fascinating, however, is
Speaker 1: that it is interstellar, meaning it came from somewhere far,
Speaker 1: far far beyond our soul or system, and eventually it'll
Speaker 1: pass us and it will continue on its journey back
Speaker 1: into interstellar space, never to return.
Speaker 3: So there's no worry about this comet being like stucked
Speaker 3: onto the gravity wells of some other thing in our galaxy,
Speaker 3: in our solar system. We don't know, okay, So it's
Speaker 3: possible that it could stay with us. We just get
Speaker 3: stucked up by Jupiter or something.
Speaker 1: And that's part of the mystique of this thing, because
Speaker 1: it hasn't happened. What you just describe has not happened.
Speaker 3: Oh, so it will become like why hasn't happened? What
Speaker 3: people are asking.
Speaker 1: Exactly or why is it making because and I'm giving
Speaker 1: away a little bit more. Sorry, No, it's okay, it's okay.
Speaker 1: I don't know.
Speaker 3: That was part of the mystery. I want to have
Speaker 3: asked It's.
Speaker 1: Okay because through Atlas is making close fly by. I
Speaker 1: mean close. We're talking millions of miles, but by a
Speaker 1: number of planets. It's aligning perfectly as these planets spin
Speaker 1: to make a fly by of them, a close flyby,
Speaker 1: and it's not being sucked in and it's not being
Speaker 1: pushed this way or that.
Speaker 3: By grad Oh that sounds intentional.
Speaker 1: Oh, thank you. So that's why the people are going
Speaker 1: nuts over this thing.
Speaker 3: I'm going nuts right now.
Speaker 1: Just wait, this gets crazier. Oh so, now, in case
Speaker 1: you didn't know, it's been in the news and everything,
Speaker 1: but comment three, I at List made a close flyby
Speaker 1: to Mars on October third, twenty twenty five. What's cool
Speaker 1: about this fly by is that we have space based
Speaker 1: cameras at the ready, which will hopefully be able to
Speaker 1: take the clearest photographs ever of this mysterious object. There's
Speaker 1: the Mars Reconnaissance Reconnaissance Orbiter launched by NASA, and the
Speaker 1: Mars Express and the Exo Mars Trace Gas Orbiter. Both
Speaker 1: of those were launched by the European Space Agency or EESA,
Speaker 1: and in fact, the ESA's Exo Mars Trace grap Gas
Speaker 1: orbiter did capture images of three i at lists on
Speaker 1: October third, and what's immediately striking is that there is
Speaker 1: no tail. It's a comet, there should be a tail,
Speaker 1: but there isn't and this fact drives scientists nuts. Now,
Speaker 1: the ESA quietly released the photos taken by Exo Mars,
Speaker 1: and there's a link in the show notes where you
Speaker 1: can see these photos in action, so you see kind
Speaker 1: of this thing flying, there's no tail. So Europe gave
Speaker 1: the world the first close up, high res images of
Speaker 1: three i at lists. But what about NASA. They have
Speaker 1: cameras up there too, like the Mars Reconnaissance orbiter. Like
Speaker 1: I mentioned, why isn't NASA releasing any of these super
Speaker 1: high res photos. Well, funny story, just two days before
Speaker 1: three i at lists was to make its pass by Mars,
Speaker 1: so on October first, the US government went into shutdown. Convenient,
Speaker 1: isn't it. Now NASA's classified as non essential, meaning they're scientists.
Speaker 1: They're not in the office right now, they're out of
Speaker 1: the office.
Speaker 3: Messages on you mean as it's passing by the nearest
Speaker 3: planet to us.
Speaker 1: Yeah, I mean you're getting it. You're picking up what
Speaker 1: I'm putting out. So therefore, publicly, NASA isn't analyzing new
Speaker 1: data on three iatlis, and no new images are being
Speaker 1: released by NASA. Total blackout, no updates, no statements, nothing. Now,
Speaker 1: of course, one could argue that was almost It's almost
Speaker 1: as if someone wanted to make sure the public couldn't
Speaker 1: see what was really happening out there with three I Atlas.
Speaker 1: But I'm getting ahead of myself. With conspiracy theory, there's
Speaker 1: a lot of them. We'll get into those a bit.
Speaker 1: But so now, after Mars, three I Atlis will make
Speaker 1: its closest pass to the Sun on October thirtieth, twenty
Speaker 1: twenty five, so just two days before this episode's release
Speaker 1: on November one, right, and it's gonna skim just inside
Speaker 1: the orbit of Mars. Its nearest approach to Earth will
Speaker 1: come on Friday, December nineteenth, approximately twenty twenty five, when
Speaker 1: it passes at a staggering disc into one hundred and
Speaker 1: sixty seven million miles from our little blue rock here. Now. Unfortunately,
Speaker 1: in a twist of cosmic irony, during this time, the
Speaker 1: comet will lie hidden on the far side of the Sun,
Speaker 1: completely unobservable to us here on Earth. Rea And after
Speaker 1: that brief alignment three, Ie Atlas will slip away forever,
Speaker 1: racing back into the silent void of interstellar space, disappearing
Speaker 1: into the darkness, and human eyes will never lay eyes
Speaker 1: on it again. That concept of never, it's never gonna
Speaker 1: happen and we're never gonna see it again. It's just
Speaker 1: it's hard to put your mind around, you know what
Speaker 1: I mean?
Speaker 3: Yeah, I mean, but you could, you could make comparison.
Speaker 3: It's like throwing It's like throwing a pebble on the ocean.
Speaker 3: You'll never see that pebble again, just as likely, just
Speaker 3: as for sure. Right, Yeah, that's that's the same.
Speaker 1: That's right.
Speaker 3: It feels like that.
Speaker 1: Guys, it does feel like that, and it's not a
Speaker 1: good feeling. I don't know why.
Speaker 3: Well, because you know, you and I are fascinated by this,
Speaker 3: and we're fascinating along with this with answers and we're
Speaker 3: just not going we're different, but we're not going to
Speaker 3: get them, and that bugs us and it makes them
Speaker 3: want to punch people. Yeah, I get it.
Speaker 1: Fucking angry.
Speaker 3: I have so many questions for the conspiratorial aspect of this,
Speaker 3: but we'll get there.
Speaker 1: Yeah, it gets fun. Okay, So we know where this
Speaker 1: comet will be on specific dates in the immediate future,
Speaker 1: and we know where it's heading, but tracing where three
Speaker 1: I Atlas originated is much more difficult. Scientists have attempted
Speaker 1: to reconstruct its path through orbital calculations all the science shit,
Speaker 1: but the pull of gravity from countless stars makes it
Speaker 1: nearly impossible to identify its exact birthplace. Some studies suggest
Speaker 1: that it may have come from a part of the
Speaker 1: Milky Way known as the thick Disk. This vast and
Speaker 1: ancient region that spans roughly four thousand to sixteen thousand
Speaker 1: light years in thickness. The thick disc can tins primarily
Speaker 1: older stars with lower metallicity than those in the thin disk,
Speaker 1: making it a unique stellar population. Okay, but now let
Speaker 1: me blow your mind a little bit here. So remember
Speaker 1: I said the thick disk is thought to be between
Speaker 1: four thousand and sixteen thousand light years in thickness.
Speaker 3: Right, Yeah, are you're saying blowing your mind in thickness?
Speaker 3: It's just too funny. I'm sorry, No, that's me, that's
Speaker 3: me being a buffoon. I'm just saying, so.
Speaker 1: Thick disk, Yeah, four thousand to sixteen thousand light years
Speaker 1: thick So one light year, just one is so I
Speaker 1: gotta take a sip for little five trillion, eight hundred
Speaker 1: and seventy eight billion, six hundred and twenty five million,
Speaker 1: three hundred and seventy five thousand miles. That's a single
Speaker 1: light year. Multiply that obscene number by four thousand or
Speaker 1: sixteen thousand, and that's the approximate thickness of the thick disk. Okay,
Speaker 1: we're thinking.
Speaker 3: I'll think, so you take it.
Speaker 1: I just keep saying, is your mind all right? I'm
Speaker 1: moving on. But that's where they think this thing might
Speaker 1: have come from, this kind of primordial.
Speaker 3: Like like a top for stars. Yeah, dude, that's where
Speaker 3: my mind's a cosmic forest, unmanned, uncharted territory.
Speaker 1: Never seen by human we'll never probably see like it.
Speaker 1: It hurts your head.
Speaker 3: Yeah shit, Yeah.
Speaker 1: So if this connection to the Milky Ways thick disc
Speaker 1: is correct, then three I at list could be extraordinarily old,
Speaker 1: possibly more than seven billion years old. Billion. Now, keep
Speaker 1: in mind our sun is approximately four point six billion
Speaker 1: years old, Earth about four point five billion years old.
Speaker 1: The other planets up there circling us right now, somewhere
Speaker 1: in the neighborhood of four point x billion years old, right,
Speaker 1: So that would make commet three I at lists the
Speaker 1: oldest body in our solar system right now. It's crazy
Speaker 1: to think about.
Speaker 3: It's like when you see old people on the mall
Speaker 3: in the morning.
Speaker 1: Oh they're so cute.
Speaker 3: Right, but they're old. It's like a different generation, Like
Speaker 3: what are you doing here? You get out of here?
Speaker 3: So belong belong here? Can't be shopping at the Spenser's.
Speaker 1: The Spencers.
Speaker 3: That's what I feel, that this old thing. Come see
Speaker 3: why neighborhoods right exactly?
Speaker 1: Yeah, I love that. Yeah, but just imagine what this
Speaker 1: thing has seen, where it's been, and what it's picked
Speaker 1: up along the way. And this is one reason why
Speaker 1: three i at lists really sticks out as unusual because
Speaker 1: three I at list comes from outside our solar system.
Speaker 1: It carries materials and chemical signatures from an entirely different
Speaker 1: star system. That makes it scientifically valuable as it offers
Speaker 1: our astronomers this rare opportunity need to compare how commets
Speaker 1: in our solar system formed versus commets that originated elsewhere,
Speaker 1: you know, in another.
Speaker 3: Right, Yeah, it's a great it's like having how do
Speaker 3: you call it? In scientific terms? I like this a
Speaker 3: lot and I have to start too. Is that it's
Speaker 3: like when you have when you study something. Let's say,
Speaker 3: if you study one animal in your region and then
Speaker 3: you find out that this animal is where there's the
Speaker 3: same animal in opposite side of the world. You your
Speaker 3: need for wanting to study that animal and seeing how
Speaker 3: how the difference of that animal to twenty thousand miles
Speaker 3: away whatever Liz grows up biologically speaking, how it acts,
Speaker 3: and like the need for that is too great because
Speaker 3: you want to know if there are differences and what
Speaker 3: those differences are and how do you calculate them. It's
Speaker 3: like having a whole different, other like sample to go
Speaker 3: out of, Like it enhances are what we know of
Speaker 3: now by a lot. I imagine it must be just
Speaker 3: really scientificly rich. Oh God, I can feel it already.
Speaker 1: God is so rich. Who I mean, how many movies
Speaker 1: have there been where people try to harness a rock
Speaker 1: like this because of the unique medical mental signatures on
Speaker 1: it that they can harvest and use for other applications.
Speaker 1: It's worth billions of dollars, you know.
Speaker 3: Yeah, could be the same thing.
Speaker 1: Here in real life.
Speaker 3: Yeah, it's crazy.
Speaker 1: It's great.
Speaker 3: It's up there right now, especially with her.
Speaker 1: Now, another reason three I Atlis stands out is its
Speaker 1: potential size. Some estimates suggest that it might be one
Speaker 1: of the largest interstellar objects ever detected, with the mass
Speaker 1: of over thirty three billion tons. Now, to kind of
Speaker 1: put that in somewhat of a perspective, thirty three billion
Speaker 1: tons is slightly greater than the annual accumulation of all
Speaker 1: human made materials on Earth. This includes concrete, asphalt, plastic,
Speaker 1: and anything manufactured trash. Trash too would be far of
Speaker 1: fallout of manufacturing. So yeah, Now, the size of the
Speaker 1: comics the comet's nucleus, it's the icy core, the solid
Speaker 1: icy core of the comet. That size remains uncertain, but
Speaker 1: Hubble Space telescope images and observations suggest that it could
Speaker 1: be up to three and a half miles across. That's
Speaker 1: bigger than Manhattan. Yeah, that's huge.
Speaker 3: Yeah, that was your head as it would be that.
Speaker 1: Well, matter of fact, they're comparing it in size to
Speaker 1: what wiped out the dinosaurs.
Speaker 3: Yeah, I was gonna say, it must be like a
Speaker 3: life the world vendor. Well, thank you birth there, you're right,
Speaker 3: you're right.
Speaker 1: Its speed also adds to its extraordinarily strange nature, as
Speaker 1: this thing races through the Solar system. Three I Atlas
Speaker 1: travels at nearly one hundred and thirty thousand miles per hour,
Speaker 1: make it one of the making it one of the
Speaker 1: fastest interstellar comets ever observed, emphasizing just how unusual and
Speaker 1: remarkable this visitor from Beyond truly is. And to give
Speaker 1: a little perspective on that speed, if you were cruising
Speaker 1: Oscar at one hundred and thirty thousand miles per hour,
Speaker 1: you could travel from New York to la in just
Speaker 1: a minute and twenty seconds. Nice to put it another way,
Speaker 1: if you blink, three I Atlis just traveled thirty miles
Speaker 1: in that instant. Nice to put it. Simply, by the
Speaker 1: time you realize three Iyatlas is there, it's already gone,
Speaker 1: gone even stranger and I kind of touched on this
Speaker 1: briefly a few minutes ago. The three Iyatlas's tail behaves
Speaker 1: in unexpected ways. Now, normally it a comet's tail points
Speaker 1: away from the Sun because solar wind pushing pushes gas
Speaker 1: and dust outward. However, in the case of three I Atlis,
Speaker 1: parts of his tail, when it was observable, have appeared
Speaker 1: to curve towards the Sun. Leaving scientists just baffled and
Speaker 1: like I said, in the most recent photos from ESA,
Speaker 1: European Space Agency, there's no tail at all, very very weird.
Speaker 1: Especially flying through space at one hundred and thirty thousand
Speaker 1: miles an hour, this comet should have a long, beautiful,
Speaker 1: observable tail, but it doesn't. Why it's chemical composition is
Speaker 1: also really strange. The comet seems to be lacking certain
Speaker 1: carbon chain molecules such as C two or diatomic carbon
Speaker 1: that are usually found in comets, which are usually found
Speaker 1: in comets, Yet in photos through i at list gives
Speaker 1: off this green glow which is usually caused by those
Speaker 1: very carbon chain molecules that seem to be missing. So
Speaker 1: how is this thing glowing green? The comet's also shedding
Speaker 1: huge amounts of nickel with low amounts of iron, again
Speaker 1: something unusual when compared to other comets that originated in
Speaker 1: our Solar system. It's like never seen before, kind of unusual.
Speaker 1: These chemical anomalies only deep in the mystery of what
Speaker 1: this thing is.
Speaker 3: Yeah, I wonder how if it feels like it must
Speaker 3: have some yet undiscovered element it's causing like to have
Speaker 3: this radiance that not only it makes it green, but
Speaker 3: also gives gives the tail what it is and the
Speaker 3: pointing towards the sun or the no tail. And I
Speaker 3: can think that's it must be something we are we
Speaker 3: don't understand understand yet, right, keep sort of substance that
Speaker 3: we have and yet discovered.
Speaker 1: Yeah, keeping logic about us. That's what it is. Our
Speaker 1: models just haven't. We don't have it yet. Yeah, to understand.
Speaker 1: But other people are saying different things. We'll talk about that.
Speaker 1: But now, when compared to the other two interstellar objects
Speaker 1: ever recorded, because remember this is three I at list,
Speaker 1: there are two before it, that would be one I
Speaker 1: am a Moor and two I bores of three Atlis
Speaker 1: stands out in interesting ways. The first known interstellar visitor
Speaker 1: one I a Mua Moa, which was discovered in twenty seventeen.
Speaker 1: That one was highly unusual too. It had no visible
Speaker 1: comet Taiale, and it too moved in unexpected ways, sparking
Speaker 1: debate about its nature. The second, two I Borisov, discovered
Speaker 1: in twenty nineteen, behaved more like a classic comet, with
Speaker 1: gas and dust, similar to comets in our own solar system.
Speaker 1: Three I at Lis, though appears to be much more
Speaker 1: massive than either of its predecessors, and it shows more
Speaker 1: extreme chemical oddities like I mentioned, while it behaves more
Speaker 1: like a comet than a Mua Moa did three Atlis.
Speaker 1: Three Atlis's odd tale behavior, unusual chemistry, and massive size
Speaker 1: make it one of the most puzzling objects of its kind.
Speaker 2: Now.
Speaker 1: Of course, as with many strange discoveries in space, three
Speaker 1: I Atlis has inspired conspiracy theories and incredibly bold speculations.
Speaker 1: Some have suggested that it could be an alien spacecraft
Speaker 1: or a probe, perhaps with artificial features, or even an
Speaker 1: intentional orbital path that brings it near planets like Mars,
Speaker 1: Venus and Jupiter, almost like it's passing these planets to
Speaker 1: observe them. Others have wondered whether it's unusual glow or
Speaker 1: tail behavior could point to a technological origin, with the
Speaker 1: comment acting as some sort of kind of kind of
Speaker 1: like a reconnaissance object or on a reconnaissance mission. While
Speaker 1: these ideas are intriguing, they're not widely accepted by the
Speaker 1: scientific community. Of course. Most astronomers argue that the observed
Speaker 1: features can likely be explained by some natural processes. We
Speaker 1: just don't fully understand it.
Speaker 3: Like you said right.
Speaker 1: Still, some scientists, most notably this really cool guy named
Speaker 1: Avi Lobe. He's a Harvard professor, former chair of Harvard's
Speaker 1: Department of a sh Astronomy, and head of the Galileo Project,
Speaker 1: an initiative launched in twenty twenty one to search for
Speaker 1: extraterrestrial intelligence. Avi Lobe has been very vocal about the
Speaker 1: possibility that three I Atlas might not be entirely natural.
Speaker 1: Lobe and others other academics point to several anomalies. There's
Speaker 1: the comet's brightness, which seems to come not only from
Speaker 1: sunlight reflecting off its dust and gas, but possibly from
Speaker 1: the nucleus itself, like it's its own light source. Its
Speaker 1: orbitlow path, which passes close to several planets, what Lobe
Speaker 1: described as an incredibly precise path, a fine tuned path,
Speaker 1: in other words, a path that's much more than mere coincidence,
Speaker 1: and unlike many comets, Lobe says, three I Atlas shows
Speaker 1: very little non gravitational acceleration, which might suggest an unusually
Speaker 1: mass of nucleus or some other unknown factor like a
Speaker 1: propulsion system, say like an engine or something. Yes, combined
Speaker 1: with its odd tail behavior its brightness, it's preciseness and
Speaker 1: its unusual chemistry. These details have fueled the pate debate
Speaker 1: about whether three ieatlists could be an alien craft, a mothership,
Speaker 1: or a probe of some sort, like I.
Speaker 3: Could be using the sun, Like it could be here
Speaker 3: to use the Sun for a gas station, and that's
Speaker 3: why the tail points.
Speaker 1: Towards recharging solar power. Yeah, and there are tons of
Speaker 1: conspiracy theories circulating online, let me tell you. Of course,
Speaker 1: some connect three I at lists to religious or apocalyptic interpretations.
Speaker 1: For example, comparisons have been made to the prophetic falling
Speaker 1: stars like Wormwood from the Book of Revelation, a sure
Speaker 1: sign that three I atlas is a harbinger of the
Speaker 1: end times. Other theories hold that the object might be
Speaker 1: using non gravitational acceleration, like some kind of engine or
Speaker 1: propulsion system, and that's how the common is staying on
Speaker 1: its very precise course. Others argue it might not be
Speaker 1: intentional that three ie atlists will be hidden by the
Speaker 1: Sun when it makes its closest passed by Earth, that
Speaker 1: it's a purposeful way to avoid being seen and observed
Speaker 1: at its brightest or most revealing moments. I love that idea.
Speaker 1: I've even seen photos online that supposedly show a close
Speaker 1: up of three iye Atlas with hundreds of windows, all
Speaker 1: glowing white, looking almost like a city on this rock.
Speaker 1: And there's rampant rumors surfacing stating that as many as
Speaker 1: nine smaller objects are traveling alongside three iye Atlas, encircling it,
Speaker 1: interacting with it, almost like an entourage. There's a photo
Speaker 1: showing these objects formed in a perfectly straight line along
Speaker 1: with three iyatlis, and I'll leave that photo in the
Speaker 1: show notes. Some even speculate that these additional objects are
Speaker 1: those probes we mentioned earlier, dispatched as reconnaissance to the
Speaker 1: very planet that three eye Atlas passes with this uncanny precision,
Speaker 1: and the question lingers, could one of them be bound
Speaker 1: for Earth? Then, as if all this isn't enough. On
Speaker 1: September thirtieth, so three days before three iye at lists
Speaker 1: made its pass by Mars on October third, more than
Speaker 1: eight hundred top US military leaders from around the world
Speaker 1: were gathered for a last minute meeting at Marine Corps
Speaker 1: Bate based Quantico officially to sit for a meeting with
Speaker 1: Defense Secretary Pete Hegseth, where he publicly and unapologetically condemned
Speaker 1: military DEI initiatives, woke military culture, fat generals and admirals,
Speaker 1: and the overall weakening of the US military.
Speaker 3: And all this.
Speaker 1: It was one hell of a speech, But insiders claim
Speaker 1: the mood at the meeting was tense and guarded, more
Speaker 1: like a classified briefing than a motivational speech or a
Speaker 1: morale speech, which begs the question was this meeting really
Speaker 1: about diversity programs or was it about something far bigger.
Speaker 1: Some believed this unprecedented, the gathering of America's highest ranking officers
Speaker 1: just three days before three iatlists could be spotted by
Speaker 1: super advanced cameras in space, wasn't about politics at all,
Speaker 1: but about three IYAT lists, what it is, where it
Speaker 1: came from, and what's coming next. Then the very next day,
Speaker 1: on October first, the US government goes into shutdown and
Speaker 1: NASA goes dark. What the fuck? Now? Of course, I'm
Speaker 1: not saying all this is true. It's one big conspiracy,
Speaker 1: but you have to admit the timing of everything. It's
Speaker 1: really hard to ignore.
Speaker 3: Yeah, and we had that one other colonel admiral quick recently. Now,
Speaker 3: though the reasons are they are more politically motivated. As
Speaker 3: far as I know, but I can see a lot
Speaker 3: of good conspiracy theorists saying that that it could be part.
Speaker 1: Of this sure, right, yeah, it's crazy. It's crazy.
Speaker 3: Now.
Speaker 1: Of course, the majority of scientists, they remain skeptical about
Speaker 1: all these crazy claims. They argue and rightfully so, that
Speaker 1: extraordinary claims such as the comet being an alien craft
Speaker 1: or a probe require extraordinary evidence, and to date none
Speaker 1: have been found. Many of the comet's odyssey odd oddities
Speaker 1: could still be explained by natural forces like unusual ice
Speaker 1: or dust compositions, electromagnetic effects, or limitations in our current
Speaker 1: scientific and astrological models. We just don't get it yet.
Speaker 1: For now, NASA and most astro astronomers continue to treat
Speaker 1: three iat Lists as just a comet until clear evidence
Speaker 1: shows otherwise. And despite these debates, three Iatlists leave scientists
Speaker 1: with many unanswered questions. Its true size and its mass
Speaker 1: remain uncertain. Its strange tail behavior is another puzzle. Its
Speaker 1: chemical anomalies, particularly the missing carbon molecules and unexpected green glow.
Speaker 1: Tracing its exact origin outside our solar system is also
Speaker 1: extremely difficult, since gravitation polls from countless stars make reconstructing
Speaker 1: its path and origin nearly impossible. And how's the path
Speaker 1: so exact? Uh?
Speaker 3: Yeah, I mean I'm gonna talk about that real quick,
Speaker 3: because yeah, that was my first thought of intelligent life
Speaker 3: on it, or at least like it has some purpose,
Speaker 3: not to say that it's a machine or anything. It
Speaker 3: could be a comet, a real comic with something attached
Speaker 3: to it. I can, like, I was thinking like that
Speaker 3: you mentioned it like a surveillance of some kind or
Speaker 3: some sort of probe or maybe like a like a
Speaker 3: deep sea fishing hook kind of thing, you know, seeing
Speaker 3: what it can catch. And yeah, and I was like, oh, man,
Speaker 3: if it notices either if it's looking for life, you
Speaker 3: know I eos or an energy source like the sun,
Speaker 3: or or maybe just looking for the Sun as it's
Speaker 3: passing through just to get some energy to keep going,
Speaker 3: it could just be going forever, which I had this
Speaker 3: thought also, like I wonder, and now you ever mentioned this,
Speaker 3: so I don't think it's happening. I wonder if scientists
Speaker 3: had the thought of like trying to attach one of
Speaker 3: our own probes to this comet to see, uh you
Speaker 3: know what I'm saying, Like I'm not saying so we
Speaker 3: can get readings on how far it's going to go
Speaker 3: once it passes our solar system. But beyond that, like
Speaker 3: like this is a natural version of like when we
Speaker 3: throw I forget what we call them, you know, those
Speaker 3: things like you know, sonic waves or whatever into space
Speaker 3: and the hopes that some intelligent life one day we'll
Speaker 3: hear it like that, like that, like we put in
Speaker 3: that we give them. We put it like an escape
Speaker 3: one of those capsules or whatever, you know, Like, I
Speaker 3: wonder if that was talked.
Speaker 1: About, well, oh, I'm sure it was.
Speaker 3: Yeah, to attach something to this comment as it's passing.
Speaker 1: Us by, I wonder, could you target ships in the night?
Speaker 1: You know, could you target something that's moving in one
Speaker 1: hundred and thirty thousand miles an hour?
Speaker 3: I think we can.
Speaker 1: I think we can.
Speaker 3: I mean I'm not smart, but they can do it. Yeah.
Speaker 3: I feel like that's within our realm of possibility. Scientifically speaking,
Speaker 3: it's not so loud. I mean, we can basically land
Speaker 3: on Mars almost, you know, I fear we could do that.
Speaker 1: We have we have equipment on Mars. Yeah.
Speaker 3: No, I'm saying we personally, but I'm saying, but yeah,
Speaker 3: we can send a technology on something.
Speaker 1: Yeah. Matter of fact, during this blackout when Mars isn't
Speaker 1: releasing anything, NASA doesn't releasing anything, the Mars rover did
Speaker 1: pick up photos of three I at LIS. Cool and
Speaker 1: it's not exactly a live feed, yeah, because you can't
Speaker 1: have it real time. It's not a real time feed, right,
Speaker 1: It's a live feed, not a real time feed, if
Speaker 1: that makes sense. There's a delay, yes, and soon as
Speaker 1: an astronomers could, I could log into it right now
Speaker 1: and see these photos as they're coming in from the
Speaker 1: Mars rover. I forgot what the timing is, but it
Speaker 1: was pointed up to the sky at that point when
Speaker 1: it was supposed to pass Mars, and there is photos
Speaker 1: of it, but it's a fucking speck of dust. Like you, Yeah,
Speaker 1: that's not what four, that's not what the Mars rovers for. Yes,
Speaker 1: But so to your point, yeah, we have stuff on
Speaker 1: Mars captured this, even though it's a shitty photograph.
Speaker 3: But I mean, we could definitely calculate when the best
Speaker 3: time for it'll reach by us, the best window to
Speaker 3: throw something at it so it get attached to ideally.
Speaker 1: Fuck dude, maybe we did that two months ago and
Speaker 1: we found something out, and that's why all these military
Speaker 1: personnel were called to.
Speaker 3: Well that's the other thing is I wonder what why
Speaker 3: are people thinking that we're involved at all? Like either
Speaker 3: this has happened before in this conspiracy, I mean, and
Speaker 3: if I'm going with it, like the shutdown is because
Speaker 3: they know what it is. That means that we've encountered
Speaker 3: this before in general, So like, how would we know
Speaker 3: about this it's not random, then it's on purpose. And
Speaker 3: if it's on purpose, what is feel like there's a
Speaker 3: rabbit hole of like you have to go through a
Speaker 3: lot of hurdles to believe that one, which is why
Speaker 3: I don't think it's true. I think it's just a coincidence.
Speaker 3: But in general, though, we have been getting more quote
Speaker 3: unquote more declassification on alien shit in general anyway, Yeah,
Speaker 3: so much more than the rest of our lives. Like
Speaker 3: in the last five years, we've gotten more than the
Speaker 3: rest of our lives we've ever got, you know, or
Speaker 3: our lives up to that point, our lives up to
Speaker 3: that point.
Speaker 1: Yeah, yes, hopefully the rest of our lives will get
Speaker 1: full disclosure and we'll see these fuckers I.
Speaker 3: Mean behind us. But yeah, yeah, you're right, Yes, you
Speaker 3: said it better. Yeah, so I don't know. It could be.
Speaker 3: I mean, that'd be cool, but I don't. We're not that,
Speaker 3: we're not that we're not at all that organized.
Speaker 2: We're not.
Speaker 1: I hate to say it, but you're right.
Speaker 3: It's a cool movie, but it's not a reality.
Speaker 1: Well, what we do know is that the one thing
Speaker 1: we know is that three i at lists won't stay.
Speaker 1: It'll pass near our sun, then continue its journey back
Speaker 1: out into an interstellar space, never to return. We hope
Speaker 1: instruments will be able to photograph it as it makes
Speaker 1: its journey through our photo photo solar system, but our
Speaker 1: window to study three iye at lists is painfully short.
Speaker 1: Future telescopes and instruments, especially those that can analyze infrared
Speaker 1: and ultra violet life, may be able to provide new
Speaker 1: insights into its chemistry and structure, but we just don't
Speaker 1: know yet. Some scientists even speculate that interstellar objects light
Speaker 1: three iye at lists could play a role in planet formation,
Speaker 1: acting as seeds for new solar systems by providing building
Speaker 1: blocks in those proto planetary discs. Maybe something like this
Speaker 1: seeded our own solar system. Who's to say in the end,
Speaker 1: three I Atlas. It's yeah, exactly seeds universes. But you
Speaker 1: know in the end three A Atlas, it's not just
Speaker 1: another visitor from deep space. It challenges our understanding of comets,
Speaker 1: interstellar travel, and even the possibility of artificial origins aliens,
Speaker 1: whether natural or not. It offers a rare and fleeting
Speaker 1: glimpse into the wider galaxy beyond our sun. Soon Comet
Speaker 1: three I at lists will leave us with nothing but
Speaker 1: unanswered questions and speculative wonder Is it a silent messenger
Speaker 1: from an ancient star system or something artificially crafted with
Speaker 1: a purpose As it fades in the darkness between the stars.
Speaker 1: One truth remains we may never know what secrets it carried,
Speaker 1: or if it was watching us as closely as we
Speaker 1: were watching it, or think of it this way. Sometime
Speaker 1: between now, when you're listening to this in mid December,
Speaker 1: we may finally know if we're alone in the universe
Speaker 1: or not. An I for one am ready.
Speaker 3: Me too.
Speaker 1: Three I Atlas the strange visitor.
Speaker 3: How many scientists are pissed off, especially on this occasion,
Speaker 3: with this specific three eye Atlas comment. How many of
Speaker 3: them are pissed off today that were like, if we
Speaker 3: just stuck to like focusing on space stuff, we would
Speaker 3: have had way more technology to deal with this thing
Speaker 3: right now? Like, how many of them lament the fact that,
Speaker 3: you know, a lot of space, a lot of our
Speaker 3: exploration of space has been stifled over the last but
Speaker 3: forty fifty years or whatever. Yeah, probably, Like how many
Speaker 3: of them regret, Like if we just continued on that progress,
Speaker 3: we would have this day, we could have could have
Speaker 3: caught it. There is you know, it's funny, there is.
Speaker 1: Uh.
Speaker 3: It was in that show for All Mankind.
Speaker 1: Oh, I love that show Man.
Speaker 3: Remember there's a whole there's a whole thing with the comet.
Speaker 3: They're trying to grab a comment.
Speaker 1: Right because it's worth trillions and they Yeah, that's like.
Speaker 3: That's a future where they continued space travel to be
Speaker 3: able to do that.
Speaker 1: That's right.
Speaker 3: That was cool. It kind of feels like this, But
Speaker 3: I love that show.
Speaker 1: Wasn't it coming back?
Speaker 3: There was another season? I don't know one.
Speaker 1: Thank god. It's a great show for all mankind listeners,
Speaker 1: Apple TV. So I hope you liked that story, listeners,
Speaker 1: I hope you liked, uh the three story. I have
Speaker 1: another one, obviously, I have three this one's This one's dark, dude,
Speaker 1: this one's dark. It's still questionable. Okay, there's a lot
Speaker 1: of proof for it. There's a lot of a lot
Speaker 1: of argum and said, this is real. Okay. Have you
Speaker 1: ever seen the movie the Hostile series? Unfortunately hostile franchise.
Speaker 1: I love like the first two thought they're great.
Speaker 3: I like the second one. I hate it the first one.
Speaker 3: There's only two, there are three.
Speaker 1: No, no, it could be wrong.
Speaker 3: No, it's fine, I could be wrong.
Speaker 1: I like them both. Then I liked. I like the movies.
Speaker 1: They're fun, they're disgusting. But that the premise, the premise
Speaker 1: is cool, right, what is the premise?
Speaker 3: The premise is that and this is becoming much more
Speaker 3: like it feels like more smart too nowadays. But Epstein
Speaker 3: File and things like that, is that rich people get
Speaker 3: so rich and bored that in this premise, what country
Speaker 3: are in so Mania or Ukraine or Bosnia?
Speaker 1: Something I always say, Broadislava.
Speaker 3: Oh it's a made up thing.
Speaker 1: I don't know, and maybe I should have known that before.
Speaker 3: But in European country with very like lax laws, they
Speaker 3: like you know, adorned this like tradition where rich people
Speaker 3: can come for a service for a hefty feet and
Speaker 3: shred service where you can kill people in the way
Speaker 3: that you want for a price, kill for a price
Speaker 3: for this before we think of the most Dangerous game,
Speaker 3: it's like the old version of this that is a movie. No,
Speaker 3: the short story. It's also been made into many movies. Okay, okay,
Speaker 3: you never right.
Speaker 1: It sounds super familiar.
Speaker 3: Yeah, it's a I forget who wrote it. Someone out
Speaker 3: there's yelling at the screen. That's screen doesn't TP and
Speaker 3: so mikes. The Most Dangerous Game is about this guy
Speaker 3: who shipwrecks on the island. And this guy owns this island.
Speaker 3: This rich guy owns an island. He has like a
Speaker 3: butler and his favorite thing to do, he's hunted all
Speaker 3: animals on earth at lions Gazelle's the ultimate animal. The
Speaker 3: ultimate animal is man. So every time someone shipwrecks to
Speaker 3: his island, he uses as an excuse to hunt them down,
Speaker 3: and he tells them in advance, I'm gonna hunt you run.
Speaker 3: And that's his that's the most dangerous game. And that's
Speaker 3: what he gets his rocks off. That's what makes that's
Speaker 3: what that's how he gets fun. And that's what this
Speaker 3: is a costal as an evolutionary movie version of that.
Speaker 1: Absolutely the way you described it. Yes, that's exactly right.
Speaker 3: So you have a story like that, right, the idea
Speaker 3: that that's not fun.
Speaker 1: This is not fun. No, it is not fun. Asking
Speaker 1: you're correct, the idea that they are so rich. But
Speaker 1: when you're so bored or whatever that you only want
Speaker 1: something that cash could buy, that money could buy. That's
Speaker 1: what you want. You're chasing that dragon, something that I
Speaker 1: can only get with money.
Speaker 3: And now we have chillionaires, so yes, you have what.
Speaker 3: I'm sorry, we're getting chillionaire.
Speaker 1: So on that note, I love Hostile and the most
Speaker 1: Dangerous game.
Speaker 3: I think I feel I want to be so mad
Speaker 3: when I hear the story.
Speaker 1: Well, let's hope, let's hope that this isn't real. Okay,
Speaker 1: I call this one human hunting parties.
Speaker 3: HHP, get your.
Speaker 1: Jokes out now because it's kind of dark. Sorry, human
Speaker 1: hunting parties. So back in the early nineties, now, go ahead,
Speaker 1: certain certain your jokes here, Oscar. I'll wait, you were
Speaker 1: like forty right, we're talking between like ninety two and
Speaker 1: ninety six for this story. Okay, ninety five. I graduated
Speaker 1: from high school ninety one I graduated from grammar school.
Speaker 1: So we're talking about the Bosnian War ninety two to
Speaker 1: ninety five, some people say ninety six, and I remember
Speaker 1: this as a kid, and you know, I'm I'm young,
Speaker 1: I'm stupid, I'm ignorant. You know. I was always mad
Speaker 1: that coverage of this, you know, would ruin my cartoon
Speaker 1: watching or might I hated you know, yeah that and
Speaker 1: I remember the Iran contra with Ali North.
Speaker 3: Oh yeah, yeah.
Speaker 1: I would always get so fucking pissed.
Speaker 3: So we're doing Mighty Mouse or something, Yeah, I get
Speaker 3: over my cartoons.
Speaker 1: So that's what we're talking about. We're talking about the
Speaker 1: Bosnian War. And I didn't realize back then, as a stupid,
Speaker 1: ignorant child, how bad this war was. Okay, this was
Speaker 1: some history for people who don't know. This was a
Speaker 1: horrible conflict that erupted after Bosnia and Herzegovina declared independence
Speaker 1: from Yugoslavia, sparking violence among its three main ethnic groups.
Speaker 1: We had the Bosniaks Muslims, the Croats Catholics, and the
Speaker 1: Serbs Orthodox Christians. Fueled by competing nationalist ambitions, the war
Speaker 1: saw Bosnian Serb forces backed by Serbia, attempt to create
Speaker 1: ethnically homogeneous territories through campaigns of ethnic cleansing, mass killings,
Speaker 1: and the siege of cities like Sarajevo, the capital of Bosnia.
Speaker 3: Oh yes, I saw that movie Welcome to Sarajevo. That's
Speaker 3: what it's about.
Speaker 1: I remember that movie.
Speaker 3: It's a movie starring that girl from my cousin, Benny
Speaker 3: what's her name? And Woody House and I think, oh,
Speaker 3: no shit, yeah, yeah, I saw that movie.
Speaker 1: I remember the title. I don't think I've ever seen it.
Speaker 3: Yeah, well, we were definitely, I mean I was. I
Speaker 3: was an old person with movies from the from a
Speaker 3: young age, I saw lots of movies. I didn't I
Speaker 3: didn't know what was happening, but osto, you want to
Speaker 3: know what the fuck was happening. But I would see
Speaker 3: these movies and that was one of them, and I
Speaker 3: had knowdea what was going on. But I remember the movie,
Speaker 3: got it. So I also the moms even like the
Speaker 3: Ramandan problem, like the whole thing there with the ethnic cleansing.
Speaker 1: Yeah had it?
Speaker 3: So, yeah, that's happened sometimes.
Speaker 1: Yeah. Unfortunately, now Bosnian Croats, supported by Croatia, pursued their
Speaker 1: own territorial goals. Well, Bosniaks fought to preserve a unified,
Speaker 1: multi ethnic Bosnia. Over three years, one hundred thousand Bosnians
Speaker 1: lost lost their lives, mostly Muslims, and what's described as
Speaker 1: the biggest ethnically motivated genocide in Europe since the fucking Holocaust.
Speaker 1: That's how bad this was. And I was worried about cartoons,
Speaker 1: you know.
Speaker 3: Yeah.
Speaker 1: Fuck now. The siege on Sarajevo lasted four years, the
Speaker 1: longest siege on a capital set and modern warfare history. Actually,
Speaker 1: the war caused, obviously, mass displacement and atrocities like the
Speaker 1: July nineteen ninety five genocidal killing of more than eight
Speaker 1: thousand Bosniac Muslim men and boys in and around the
Speaker 1: tard of Srebenica known as the Serbenica massacre, before ending
Speaker 1: with the US broker Dayton peace agreement in nineteen ninety five.
Speaker 1: Just a little bit of history.
Speaker 3: Yeah, yeah, no, it's good now.
Speaker 1: One of the most horrific aspects of the war was
Speaker 1: the Bosnian Serb sniper campaign against civilians, un personnel, and
Speaker 1: rescuers in Sarajevo. No one was fucking saved. The city's
Speaker 1: main boulevard once this vibrant hub of daily life became
Speaker 1: notoriously known as sniper Alley, or anyone who crossed risk
Speaker 1: death from marksmen positioned in the surrounding hills and high
Speaker 1: rise buildings or buildings in general tall structures. Right. According
Speaker 1: to UN findings, snipers deliberately targeted civilians, including children, with
Speaker 1: precision shots to the head, eyes, or heart clear as
Speaker 1: evidence of intent to kill or maim. Reports indicate that
Speaker 1: during the siege, two hundred and twenty five people, including
Speaker 1: sixty children, were killed and more than a thousand were
Speaker 1: wounded by sniper fire. And you know, just when you
Speaker 1: think something is as bad as it could possibly get,
Speaker 1: can't get any worse, leave it to men to surprise
Speaker 1: us with even deeper levels of depravity see Credible Journalists.
Speaker 1: Eyewitness reports and a recent documentary alleged that during the
Speaker 1: Serbian War, wealthy foreigners paid huge sum of money sums
Speaker 1: of money to Bosnian Serb forces to visit Serb held
Speaker 1: sniper positions overlooking Sarajevo so the foreign could shoot at
Speaker 1: civilians for sport in what's been called human hunting parties,
Speaker 1: tourist shooters, sniper tourism, and I hate this one man hunting,
Speaker 1: I mean, how depraved and black can the human heart
Speaker 1: get now? Reports placed these horrific events during the Siege
Speaker 1: of Sarajevo, which took place between ninety two and ninety six,
Speaker 1: with most accounts saying that the human hunting parties happened
Speaker 1: early in the war and continued throughout parts of nineteen
Speaker 1: ninety two through nineteen ninety four. The strongest public evidence
Speaker 1: of these paid atrocities came from investigative reports and eyewitness
Speaker 1: testimony given on February twenty second, two thousand and seven
Speaker 1: before the International Crime Tribunal for the Former Yugoslavia or
Speaker 1: the ICTY at the Hague. An additional testimony in Mirn
Speaker 1: Zupanic's twenty twenty two document called Sarajevo Safari. But sadly,
Speaker 1: there are no widely published court verified lists of precisely
Speaker 1: named foreign participants or solid forensic proof tying specific foreign
Speaker 1: individuals to documented murders that resulted in any sort of
Speaker 1: criminal convictions. In other words, despite intensive investigative journalism and
Speaker 1: very credible eyewitness accounts, publicly there's no known proof linking
Speaker 1: specific wealthy individuals to specific sniper murders. Yet authorities are
Speaker 1: just now starting to look seriously at these claims. Who
Speaker 1: knows what they're going to uncover. So let's take a
Speaker 1: look at some of the accounts detailing these human hunting parties.
Speaker 1: In Marion Zappanich's documentary Sarajevo Safari, many eyewitnesses has come
Speaker 1: forward to tell their story, some anonymous, which people have
Speaker 1: a problem with, but some not who say they either
Speaker 1: witness or investigated the phenomenon of sniper tourism and manhunting
Speaker 1: by foreigners during the war Now the film. The documentary
Speaker 1: relies heavily and at least one anonymous source the director
Speaker 1: identifies as a former US Secret Service agent who traveled
Speaker 1: to Sarajevo during the siege and claims firsthand knowledge of
Speaker 1: foreigners being brought to Serbian sniper positions. The film also
Speaker 1: interviews an unnamed Bosnian intelligence analyst, this unknown person, this
Speaker 1: unnamed person, who says that their service learned about and
Speaker 1: worked to stop these safaris. John Jordan, a former US
Speaker 1: Marine and voluntary firefighter in Zarajevo, testified at ICTY again
Speaker 1: that's the International Criminal Tribunal for the former Yugoslavia. He
Speaker 1: testified that he Jordan saw quote individuals who fit that profile,
Speaker 1: meaning people who look like outsiders. The way they look,
Speaker 1: the way they wore their civilian slash military combination type clothing,
Speaker 1: the way they acted, and the types of weapons they carried,
Speaker 1: namely massive guns not side arms or rifles, but more
Speaker 1: like guns used to heart hunt large wild boar in
Speaker 1: the black forest, guns not fit for urban combat. All
Speaker 1: these traits combined screamed outsider think of like rich weekend
Speaker 1: Warriors being led around by bonafide Serbian snipers. They stuck
Speaker 1: out like sore thumbs.
Speaker 3: Yeah. Yeah, or like you know when they try to
Speaker 3: do Mount Everest and the Shirpars look like they actually
Speaker 3: live there, but nobody else. All the white guys are.
Speaker 2: Like that.
Speaker 1: Yeah. I also think it like, you know, if you
Speaker 1: go to like a biker rally or something, you could
Speaker 1: pick out the weekend Warrior Harley Riders from the one percenters.
Speaker 1: I mean, they stick out like fucks.
Speaker 3: So that's what like they recently retired guy exactly whatever, exactly, that's.
Speaker 1: What that's what this person. Oh fuck, what was his name, Jordan, Jordan?
Speaker 1: What was his name?
Speaker 3: Michael?
Speaker 1: I forgot what he called? Last name was Jordan. That's
Speaker 1: what he said. He saw people who clearly stuck out
Speaker 1: the way they dressed, the guns they carried, being led
Speaker 1: around by the nose by these bona fide Serbian forces.
Speaker 1: Crazy man, crazy, And where are these assholes, these rich tourists,
Speaker 1: these human hunters come from. Believe it or not, Italians
Speaker 1: are most often mentioned, with claims that three Italians admitted
Speaker 1: during a Serbian POW interrogation to have paid for access
Speaker 1: to sniper positions, and that a circle of wealthy Italians,
Speaker 1: particularly from the Treventito region by Venice and Verona, traveled
Speaker 1: to the front fighting lines in Sarajevo. Why would they
Speaker 1: do that? Russians are also repeatedly cited has taken part
Speaker 1: in these safaris, with reports suggest testing that Russian millionaires
Speaker 1: paid large sums of money for the chance to shoot civilians.
Speaker 1: In addition, some accounts include Canadians and even Americans among
Speaker 1: those alleged to have participated in these human hunting safaris.
Speaker 1: And really, if you think about it, the idea that
Speaker 1: these lower than scum individuals could be snuck into served
Speaker 1: sniper positions during this chaotic blood soak time and in
Speaker 1: this war torn environment is completely plausible and for large
Speaker 1: sums of money cash untraceable. Fuck. I could absolutely see
Speaker 1: this happening.
Speaker 3: I mean, there's the age where bearer bonds were often used,
Speaker 3: and they're supposed to be completely fucking you know sus
Speaker 3: like they don't have They're supposed to be honored no
Speaker 3: matter by just only by the person who carries them,
Speaker 3: like there is no traceable. That's why barbonds were always
Speaker 3: in and crime movies and stuff as a way to
Speaker 3: trade with thieves and qui nice because it was very
Speaker 3: reliable and they were always honored by the banks because
Speaker 3: as long as you had it doesn't matter who, Like
Speaker 3: there's no fingerprinter, who owned it previously? Where did you
Speaker 3: get it from?
Speaker 1: You know, so you know you know that is today,
Speaker 1: so it was cash during.
Speaker 3: He's not doing cryptocurcy bitcoin.
Speaker 1: Yeah, like that, I can totally see this shit happening,
Speaker 1: which is horrible.
Speaker 3: I mean, we saw Red Rooms.
Speaker 1: Oh good movie. Who fuck that movie?
Speaker 3: Yeah, I mean I know that's not through the perspective
Speaker 3: of this kind of thing, but we're you're seeing that
Speaker 3: perspective through a seller, well through one of the buyers. Sure,
Speaker 3: but like but you can imagine those people in those
Speaker 3: auctions must be rich, have to be rich. I mean
Speaker 3: there's thousands of bitcoins, yeah, and one bitcoin that can
Speaker 3: never afford it. So yeah, that's a lot of bitcoin.
Speaker 3: It's a lot of money, all right now.
Speaker 1: Witnesses say that foreign tourists who paid incredibly large sums
Speaker 1: of money were taken to Serb held sniper positions overlooking
Speaker 1: Sarajevo places like Mount Tribevitch, surrounding hills and in high
Speaker 1: rise buildings, positions from which snipers could easily fire into
Speaker 1: central Sarajevo into sniper alley, or innocent civilians walked or
Speaker 1: waited in breadlines, or children played. So basically, these rich
Speaker 1: cunts would pay Serbian forces to be taken to one
Speaker 1: of these sniper nests, where a gun would be loaded
Speaker 1: and then placed into the tourist's hand. All the tourists
Speaker 1: had to do was lock on and pull the trigger.
Speaker 1: And it said that the younger the target, the more
Speaker 1: money the tourists had to pay. We're talking children being
Speaker 1: targeted by high powered sniper rifles, rifles held by rich,
Speaker 1: bored assholes looking for an adrenaline rush.
Speaker 3: I mean, when you have everything, what else can you
Speaker 3: get right. That's the whole notion of this, which is
Speaker 3: maybe a way to try to begin to maybe explain
Speaker 3: some behavior, but definitely doesn't excuse it by a while.
Speaker 3: And that's also reminds me of other story. I don't
Speaker 3: if there's a good part for me to add this,
Speaker 3: but it reminds you of another thing that I saw somewhere.
Speaker 3: So I don't have other details. That's why I went
Speaker 3: on my phone earlier. I was trying to find some details.
Speaker 3: But it's off to cough. I don't have anything ready
Speaker 3: for this all off the top of my head. But
Speaker 3: I one time saw a comedian in one of their
Speaker 3: podcasts talk about I'm try to remember it was that
Speaker 3: ball guy fat I'm sorry, yes it is.
Speaker 1: I hate that fucker.
Speaker 3: That's fine. I don't love him either, but I like
Speaker 3: his podcast and I just watch it on TikTok. I
Speaker 3: don't even listen to the whole thing. I'm just saying.
Speaker 3: I'm just saying he had nos to I'm saying he
Speaker 3: had knows me too, Okay. That's why that's why I'm
Speaker 3: mentioning that I have to defend it for myself because
Speaker 3: I also don't like them that much. Anyway, in one
Speaker 3: of them, he was talking to somebody he had a guess,
Speaker 3: I don't know who it was, and they were talking
Speaker 3: about how him. It might have been Tom. Also, they
Speaker 3: were on this cruise, not real cruise, but like one
Speaker 3: of these Russian outings on a boat somewhere obviously in
Speaker 3: international water. And if you pay, if you give an
Speaker 3: extra ten grand or something like that. It was like
Speaker 3: a charge. If you agree to this ten grand thing,
Speaker 3: you're given a rocket launcher. So if and if you
Speaker 3: see us some Miley pirate ship, you're you're you can
Speaker 3: shoot it at it. You can shoot them. Oh my
Speaker 3: good with the rocket launcher. Now that's well, here's the thing,
Speaker 3: is that double the way they said it is that
Speaker 3: you pay in advance. But if there's no ship, then
Speaker 3: you don't you know, that's it.
Speaker 1: You're still out.
Speaker 3: You're still out. But like, if you see one, then
Speaker 3: you have the ability to shoot at it. And that's
Speaker 3: what this reminds me. And I saw this like a
Speaker 3: month ago.
Speaker 1: To this that raises such I mean, like.
Speaker 3: Right, and the fact that it's international waters, which is
Speaker 3: ideally the only one of the very few places you
Speaker 3: can commit I guess crime and that's fine, but like
Speaker 3: it's still very really really shady and not good. And
Speaker 3: they were laughing it off. But if I was like
Speaker 3: stuck in that situation, not knowing this was gonna happen, yeah,
Speaker 3: might laugh at out so I can live. But I
Speaker 3: would never do that actively. I wouldn't never be on
Speaker 3: a ship both.
Speaker 1: You could do it, man, No, oh, they're pirates, they're
Speaker 1: bad people. I don't know if I could do it.
Speaker 3: I can't. I'll tell you I can't. You know, I
Speaker 3: don't need to think.
Speaker 1: But yeah, but that's I mean, it's the same fucking thing.
Speaker 1: Maritime law is some wild shit. I was trying to
Speaker 1: put together an episode one time on Cruise Ship Mysteries.
Speaker 1: You know, I love cruising, and a lot of fucked
Speaker 1: up shit goes on goes on on cruise ships. And
Speaker 1: no cruise ships, say, for one, is flagged here in
Speaker 1: the United States. They're all in different countries, and with
Speaker 1: the way they could play with laws minimum wage, it
Speaker 1: gets really shady gray. Yeah, so I did. I did
Speaker 1: quite a bit of research into maritime law, and it's
Speaker 1: it's out there. This stuff goes back thousand years. Some
Speaker 1: of these thoughts, you know, it's pretty interesting. But yeah,
Speaker 1: that's exactly what this is what you're talking about. That's this. Yeah,
Speaker 1: I want to kind of outline some cases of sniper
Speaker 1: deaths during this war believed to be caused by sniper tourism.
Speaker 1: But it's important to remember for nearly all the cases
Speaker 1: I'm about to talk about publicly available well as evidence
Speaker 1: does not prove the sniper who shot the victim was
Speaker 1: a foreign tourist paying to shoot civilians, even though again
Speaker 1: it is highly suspected. Now, there is absolutely one hundred
Speaker 1: percent real and abundant forensic and photographic evidence of sniper
Speaker 1: killings during the siege on Sarajevo that's given, yes, but
Speaker 1: evidence tying a specific shot or killing to a particular
Speaker 1: foreigner with chain of custody, evidence that doesn't exist to
Speaker 1: the public at this point. Okay, and these names, I'm
Speaker 1: sorry these names.
Speaker 3: Yeah, it's gonna be hard.
Speaker 1: I'm gonna try. But yeah, there's the case of Stana
Speaker 1: and Samir Sizzich. I hope I'm saying that right, who
Speaker 1: lost their one year old daughter, fucking one years old
Speaker 1: to a sniper shot. As shown in the documentary Serajevo Safari.
Speaker 1: The child was killed just days after her that first birthday. Now,
Speaker 1: this case is used in the film to illustrate house
Speaker 1: civilian families may have been victimized by sniper attacks, possibly
Speaker 1: involving foreign shooters. On May third, nineteen ninety five, during
Speaker 1: a ceasefire, Ammel Hodzich, aged sixteen, an older brother of
Speaker 1: Desmil Hodzich, was killed by a single bullet fired from
Speaker 1: a Serb sniper nest on a coat which was sitting
Speaker 1: on a cliff overlooking Sarajevo, Bosnia, and Herzegovina Emo was
Speaker 1: playing in the street after the ceasefire. It shouldn't have happened.
Speaker 1: None of these should have happened, But I mean right,
Speaker 1: and his younger brother, Desmil witnessed this incident. Now, while
Speaker 1: this is a document example of a child victim from
Speaker 1: sniper fire, it's not been proven beyond doubt to be
Speaker 1: part of sniper tourism, but it is suspected. In early
Speaker 1: August nineteen ninety two, a bus carrying fifty orphans was
Speaker 1: shot at by snipers while leaving Sarajevo along that sniper
Speaker 1: alley route. Two infants from sniper fire. Now, this tragic
Speaker 1: event demonstrates the danger's civilians, including young children babies, face
Speaker 1: during this siege, though there is no public evidence that
Speaker 1: a tourist shooter was involved, but again suspected. Now among
Speaker 1: more widely known adult civilian victims of snipers, Admira Ismich
Speaker 1: and Basco Burkitch, both in their mid twenties and known
Speaker 1: as the Romeo and Juliet of Sarajevo, were killed on
Speaker 1: May nineteenth, nineteen ninety three, while attempting to cross the
Speaker 1: Verbanja Bridge. Their deaths are often cited in media and
Speaker 1: memorials as emblematic of civilians suffering under sniperfire. However, no
Speaker 1: credible source links their deaths to sniper tourism. Another well
Speaker 1: known victim is Gabriel Moreno Locatelli, an Italian pacifist student
Speaker 1: who was killed by a Serb sniper on October tie third,
Speaker 1: nineteen ninety three. Though he is a foreign national, public
Speaker 1: sources do not establish that his death resulted from paid
Speaker 1: tourist sniper, but it is suspected. In Sarajevo safari, one
Speaker 1: anonymous source claims to have witnessed children dying in sniper
Speaker 1: attacks alongside their mothers, believing these tax were carried out
Speaker 1: by tourists. The source said, quote, I even saw children
Speaker 1: die with their mother holding their hands. They were like hunters,
Speaker 1: shooting animals end quote again. To date, no publicly available
Speaker 1: court verified record named specific form participants who were convicted
Speaker 1: for taking part in so called human hunting parties during
Speaker 1: the stage of Sarajevo, and the central witnesses featured in
Speaker 1: Sirievo Safari the documentary largely remain anonymous, which makes their
Speaker 1: claims inherently harder for outsiders to research and courts to verify.
Speaker 1: Here's where some of the problem comes in, right. What
Speaker 1: is missing to really bring these bastards to justice is
Speaker 1: a verifiable dossier, complete with names, travel documentation, receipts, or
Speaker 1: forensic evidence linking identified foreigners to civilian deaths in Sarajevo
Speaker 1: resulting in judicial convictions. While there are reports that certain
Speaker 1: claims of sniper tourism were handed over to judicial bodies
Speaker 1: to review, unfortunately, public records show no successful prosecution of
Speaker 1: foreigners these tourist shooters tied directly to these allegations. Yet overall,
Speaker 1: investigative journalism, eyewitness testimony, and the documentary have been essential
Speaker 1: in reviving the issue and prompting renewed scrutiny into the
Speaker 1: allegations of human hunting parties during the Serbian War. But
Speaker 1: this renewed attention should not be mistaken for judiciously proven evidence.
Speaker 1: As of right now, as far as the public is concerned,
Speaker 1: the claims remain powerful, shocking, horrifying, and vile, but unverified
Speaker 1: in a legal sense. In the meantime, all we could
Speaker 1: do is pray that this ship is not real.
Speaker 3: I think it's both real and likely, and I think
Speaker 3: full yeah. And I think the reason we haven't heard
Speaker 3: this from other fronts throughout the years, even since I'm
Speaker 3: even saying before, is uh lack of coverage even to
Speaker 3: even warrant suspicion to get it going.
Speaker 1: Yeah, But.
Speaker 3: It seems to be that the main issue with this
Speaker 3: is the thing that makes it extra dirty, extra, you know,
Speaker 3: black hearted, is the fact that which people are paying
Speaker 3: for it, like it's a service, right, That's what makes
Speaker 3: it extra. But in general, this happens a bunch. For example,
Speaker 3: like you hear about you know, doing doing you know
Speaker 3: during our not hour, although I am American, I should
Speaker 3: say our doing our you know, occupation and taking down
Speaker 3: an Americans in the wild West era, we put our
Speaker 3: young people to train in front by shooting them to
Speaker 3: the front line, you know, to train to learn how
Speaker 3: to shoot. Not they weren't paying for sure, But like
Speaker 3: it feels like the differences are are minuteier in grotesquely
Speaker 3: the same amount of people dyna matter what. And that
Speaker 3: sucks and that's what I really should be mad about.
Speaker 3: But the fact that which people are paying for it
Speaker 3: to get to be because they're bored, it's uh, it
Speaker 3: just makes it extra worse. It's like squid game.
Speaker 1: Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah right. There's another example, yeah.
Speaker 3: Yeah, which also feels likely. Oh man, there's a lot
Speaker 3: of there's a lot of islands that no one's allowed
Speaker 3: to get on. By the way, can I just say
Speaker 3: that there are a lot of half the islands you're
Speaker 3: not allowed to get on because there's that's how many
Speaker 3: islands there are. You think, like, oh, come on, there
Speaker 3: are so many little islands that no one even knows.
Speaker 1: Yeah, and who knows what goes on there?
Speaker 3: Yeah, you know, yeahriving us anyway. I have no faith
Speaker 3: in humanity, so yeah, yeah this is gross. I also
Speaker 3: have no faith. I'm to the point where like, yeah,
Speaker 3: I believe that every war front has this.
Speaker 1: It could, It certainly could.
Speaker 3: Yes, it certainly could.
Speaker 1: Okay, human hunting parties. The last story, it's short. It's
Speaker 1: fairly short, thank you. Sorry, I'm just as tall laying down,
Speaker 1: if you know what I mean.
Speaker 3: I called this last one human, it's right, yeah, Trifi.
Speaker 1: I called this last one surveillance, all right, So this
Speaker 1: one's fun. So it was October two, twenty twenty five,
Speaker 1: and one of my dearest friends, Randy. He's been on
Speaker 1: the show before, and I would encourage our listeners to
Speaker 1: go check out his YouTube channel. It's called Bourbon Broke
Speaker 1: or you go to Bourbonbrooke dot com. He's a wonderful person.
Speaker 1: Randy was finishing up a business trip and he was
Speaker 1: flying back home from Baltimore Washington International Airport or BWY,
Speaker 1: which is about an hour from Washington, DC and the
Speaker 1: White House. So there Randy was. He had just returned
Speaker 1: his rental car and he's riding the rental car shuttle
Speaker 1: bus heading over to airport right from the rental car place. Now,
Speaker 1: at one point, this guy gets on the shuttle. Nothing
Speaker 1: distinguishing about him. He's a white guy, looks like a
Speaker 1: normal business traveler, had some company logo on his shirt,
Speaker 1: but Randy couldn't really remember what the logo was. But
Speaker 1: he's wheeling this really large black case, maybe four feet tall,
Speaker 1: three feet wide. Randy said, it looked kind of like
Speaker 1: the cases people used to carry trade show booth backdrops
Speaker 1: or large banners in something for marketing. Right, that's kind
Speaker 1: of what Randy was thinking.
Speaker 3: I think a camera equipment also will come in pick.
Speaker 1: So Randy's looking at the case and the guy looks
Speaker 1: right at him and goes, it's not a bomb. What
Speaker 1: and he said? Randy Reddy goes as he said, he
Speaker 1: just smiled and said that's good to know. And that
Speaker 1: was it. That was the interaction. A shuttle gets to
Speaker 1: the airport, they get off the bus, Randy goes one way,
Speaker 1: the guy with the case goes the other way, and
Speaker 1: the whole thing is forgotten about, okay, until Randy goes
Speaker 1: through security. Now, something I know about Randy. He's white,
Speaker 1: business professional in his fifties, incredibly sharp dresser, like he's
Speaker 1: always in these beautiful custom suits. He wears really expensive shoes,
Speaker 1: hairs never out of place, kind courteous, friendly, he'll do
Speaker 1: anything for you, A gentleman, complete right and he's coming
Speaker 1: home from a business trip, so he's dressed to the nines. Guaranteed.
Speaker 1: I didn't even have to ask the question, because that's
Speaker 1: just Randy, right, and he's been traveling for business for decades,
Speaker 1: and he's been TSA pre check for many, many years.
Speaker 1: Zero alarm bells with this guy, right, So he gets
Speaker 1: to security and when he goes through, the metal detector
Speaker 1: goes off. He's like, what the fuck now? Mind you?
Speaker 1: He told me that in literally hundreds of flights he's
Speaker 1: taken over the years, this rarely happens to him, Like
Speaker 1: he count on one hand how many times this has
Speaker 1: happened over the decades. Okay, so the arm goes off
Speaker 1: and he asks the TSA agent to want me to
Speaker 1: go back through again, and they say no, go through
Speaker 1: the other one. And the guy's pointing to the big detector,
Speaker 1: the one where you stand with your hands above your head. Yes,
Speaker 1: and then a thing circles around you. So Randy goes
Speaker 1: to the big one and of course he passes, but
Speaker 1: TSA mentioned they motioned him out and said he needed
Speaker 1: to be padded down, and while they were getting someone
Speaker 1: to do the pat down, they told him do not move,
Speaker 1: do not reach for anything. Pretty serious shit, right, So
Speaker 1: someone comes over. He asked Randy to extend his arms
Speaker 1: straight out, and he proceeds to give this thorough pat down,
Speaker 1: and of course they find nothing, and then Randy was
Speaker 1: free to go on his merry way. In all his
Speaker 1: years of flying hundreds of flights for business and pleasure,
Speaker 1: he's never once been padded down. Never. Okay, So what
Speaker 1: happened here? Why am I bringing up this little story
Speaker 1: on this particular show. Could you guess what I think
Speaker 1: happened here?
Speaker 3: So my first thought is what I think happened, mind you,
Speaker 3: is that a residue from that shuttle got on him,
Speaker 3: and the detectors detected something that the guy that was
Speaker 3: in the shuttle with him with the big black case
Speaker 3: was actually carrying, and they detected on him like a whiff.
Speaker 3: And that's what the extra screening was for.
Speaker 1: Interesting, all right, okay, So right, it has to do
Speaker 1: with the guy in the shuttle. I assume the guy
Speaker 1: who got under the shuttle, right, the one with that
Speaker 1: large black case. What did he say to Randy, That's
Speaker 1: not a bomb. He directly said to him, it's not
Speaker 1: a bomb. Right, He used the word bomb. Everyone knows
Speaker 1: you do not say bomb on a plane or in
Speaker 1: an airport, saying that ship post nine to eleven just
Speaker 1: begging for an ass whipping in jail time. Right, So,
Speaker 1: now did Randy get tagged because this random guy said
Speaker 1: bomb to him? Think about it, on.
Speaker 3: That very day you're saying like his phone or something.
Speaker 1: Phone, something around or in the air. This serves in
Speaker 1: certain ways. It serves Washington, d C. It's an hour
Speaker 1: from the Capitol, from the White House.
Speaker 3: What year is this again?
Speaker 1: Now this is October seven?
Speaker 3: Second, so well we remember the whole what's that guy
Speaker 3: that whistleblower? Yeah, that was part of the thing he described.
Speaker 3: But like people would like they would hear certain key
Speaker 3: words that they were they would look for. Bomb. Was wonderful.
Speaker 3: Absolutely every time he said, like like if I said bomb, bomb, bomb,
Speaker 3: someone got flagged. Right now, So I'm making I'm giving
Speaker 3: someone their job, So I'm making sure they have a phone.
Speaker 1: He held up his phone and said bomb, bomb, bomb
Speaker 1: into his phone right while he's talking bombsight.
Speaker 3: Yeah, and so I say, what you're going for? Okay,
Speaker 3: that makes sense exactly.
Speaker 1: But so again, think about it, on that very day
Speaker 1: that someone says bomb to Randy, which never happened before. Right,
Speaker 1: that interaction has never happened Randy, who's flown hundreds of
Speaker 1: times without incident and zero bat downs. The day someone
Speaker 1: says bomb directly to him, that's the gate. The day
Speaker 1: he gets singled out for a pat down with the
Speaker 1: whole do not move or reach for anything. Bit Right,
Speaker 1: that's way to coincidental. And again, the airport an hour
Speaker 1: away from the nation's capital, an hour away from the
Speaker 1: White House, from the president, they were being surveilled. That's
Speaker 1: what I think happened.
Speaker 3: Do you think the intensity and the real time like
Speaker 3: a version of that surveillance is hard at more laser
Speaker 3: focused around the capital than they here.
Speaker 1: Would happened, Right? Would that have happened in ot here?
Speaker 1: Would that have happened in Michigan where he's from?
Speaker 2: Right?
Speaker 1: But this was it wasn't first in the airport. It's
Speaker 1: outside of DC. You know, they're senators who are probably
Speaker 1: from many many you know, from those states.
Speaker 3: Baltimore could away through.
Speaker 1: That airport, flight through the airport. The President's not going
Speaker 1: through this airport, but other constituents and senators and things. Absolutely,
Speaker 1: so again way too coincidental. It's near the Capitol, it's
Speaker 1: near the White House. They're being surveiled. Something picked up
Speaker 1: on that interaction, the word bomb.
Speaker 3: You know, I'd never been that IRAA before. I've never
Speaker 3: been to DC.
Speaker 1: I was years ago, years ago.
Speaker 3: I couldn't even tell you how it feels, but I would.
Speaker 1: I would bet my life. I bet my life. That's
Speaker 1: what it was.
Speaker 3: Huh.
Speaker 1: They were being listened to now, And of course I
Speaker 1: asked the question, But Randy, he has no idea of
Speaker 1: something happened to the other guy, the case guy, the
Speaker 1: black case guy. We just don't know. But uh, I'm curious.
Speaker 1: I would give my life to know if something happened
Speaker 1: to that guy.
Speaker 3: Yeah, that's the way his gate. That's the way to
Speaker 3: close circuit this right to see if he right, that's
Speaker 3: the way to that's the only way to find out.
Speaker 3: That'll give us a lot of leeway as to the
Speaker 3: surveillance capabilities. I went to with my thinking.
Speaker 1: No, I mean, I think I think that's a good
Speaker 1: I think it's a good guest too. Yeah, maybe there
Speaker 1: was some cross contamination or.
Speaker 3: I was thinking of the movie. I wasn't thinking a
Speaker 3: reality but good.
Speaker 1: Thought, thank you.
Speaker 3: Yeah, fucking.
Speaker 1: Finish funny finish the last sentence left.
Speaker 3: It's just too funny. Yeah, it died right after you
Speaker 3: finished your last story.
Speaker 1: It's because I said bomb. It just shut off my laptop,
Speaker 1: that's true.
Speaker 3: It's PC. Also, Mac doesn't give a shit if you said, mama.
Speaker 1: Dude, what if that was it? We we both do
Speaker 1: a hundred times. Yeah, my laptop.
Speaker 3: There's a hundred more, buddy.
Speaker 1: But how it's It's just it's one of those things again.
Speaker 1: It's it's so coincidental that it can't be a coincidence.
Speaker 3: Yes you no, I know what you're saying, and that
Speaker 3: I like the hunting. I buy it even easier than
Speaker 3: the hunting because we've already been proven of this. We
Speaker 3: just don't know if this specific incident is associated with it.
Speaker 3: But we've seen it time and time again, and use
Speaker 3: usually almost always exclusively for targeted ads for making to
Speaker 3: make people more money. Sure, but why not this. It's
Speaker 3: like the next it's not even the next step. It's
Speaker 3: right next to each other. You can use. You can
Speaker 3: have both ways. You can make money and swerveilred like
Speaker 3: one is not exclusive to the other. Yeah, and yes,
Speaker 3: I one hundred percent by it.
Speaker 1: You touched on something that's great. Every single I bet you,
Speaker 1: every single listener right hearing this right now has experienced
Speaker 1: holding the conversation with one hundred percent and then jump
Speaker 1: down and talking. It serves them up to add what they're.
Speaker 3: Doing, and they'll kind of much you were used to.
Speaker 3: We don't even we don't even complain about it anymore.
Speaker 3: We complain about it when I first came out. We
Speaker 3: can now it's not It's just like seventeen tragedies ago.
Speaker 3: It's like seventeen discoveries seventy five discoveries ago that we
Speaker 3: can't wrap our heads around. So yeah, like, why not
Speaker 3: another notch other than that?
Speaker 1: Yeah?
Speaker 3: Yeah, I totally buy it?
Speaker 1: Fun right, No, fun story?
Speaker 3: No, No, it's not fun.
Speaker 1: I mean actually I don't know why.
Speaker 3: But this last story pissed me off.
Speaker 1: It's like human hunting parties. I buy it. Yeah, surveillance
Speaker 1: fuck you?
Speaker 3: Yeah no, no, yeah, I'm glad.
Speaker 1: We could end on a laugh. I'm glad we could end.
Speaker 3: Well, that's why that's why you invite me over, dude.
Speaker 1: So I like this. I like this shorter story. I
Speaker 1: don't know run time, how short this was, but I
Speaker 1: don't know either. Yeah, I mean compared to our usual script.
Speaker 1: This was I think it's about the same fourteen the.
Speaker 3: Lash all turned out to be rough the same length
Speaker 3: as ours normal show. Okay, cool, so we'll see.
Speaker 1: Well. I hope you like the stories, listeners, I hope
Speaker 1: you like the stories. Could I say happy Halloween?
Speaker 3: I mean in our timeline, In this timeline, I can
Speaker 3: say happy. I hope you all have a had a
Speaker 3: happy Halloween and wish for us to have one too.
Speaker 3: Happy All Saints Day, Happy Thanksgiving too, right because next
Speaker 3: time we come back Thanksgiving, we'll be done.
Speaker 1: Oh dude, yeah, happy Thanksgiving? Listeners, Yes, go get what
Speaker 1: is a trip to fan put you? That's the chemical
Speaker 1: in the turkey that knocks your ass out and I
Speaker 1: use emma so oh god, surveillance just picked up.
Speaker 3: Yeah I was. I was g Glory Hall.
Speaker 1: He just he did that into his full glory all
Speaker 1: into his phone. Oh god, I can't, I can't let you.
Speaker 3: I think I'm getting drunk. I haven't drunk all week,
Speaker 3: oh two weeks.
Speaker 1: I think you're drinking.
Speaker 3: I know, I mean, I think it's gain to me
Speaker 3: because I'm like, I haven't drunk. He's realized I haven't
Speaker 3: drank anything in like weeks alcohol.
Speaker 1: I mean, wow, yeah, Oscar where I mean, got some
Speaker 1: drinking and do after the show.
Speaker 3: Clearly anyway, Oscar, take us home, let's do it. M Yeah,
Speaker 3: what the bro I don't need a fucking metronomes on.
Speaker 3: Can you say a few things.
Speaker 1: Just to Armagnac. Armagnac, it's j Henry La flem aged in.
Speaker 3: Armagnac noddles, Yeah, good, good, Shut the fuck up. I'm sorry,
Speaker 3: I'm kidding.
Speaker 1: Well, I'm sorry kind of aggressive today.
Speaker 3: I am like something about coming out of work makes
Speaker 3: me aggress I don't know why.
Speaker 1: Because work sucks. Probably a pesto.
Speaker 3: I don't know why I said that, but that feels right.
Speaker 3: Go to the gut, man, yep, that's go the gut.
Speaker 3: A ninety percent of my life.
Speaker 1: Is that way. You haven't planned, noddle, No, it's about.
Speaker 3: I don't have any ill legitimate children at this point.
Speaker 3: Maybe that's percent as it goes, Just just being careful
Speaker 3: on that. If you had told me that, I mean,
Speaker 3: we were friends already, right, I think, yeah, we have
Speaker 3: to because of Italian I was abreading if I'd known
Speaker 3: about this, or like, if I had more of a
Speaker 3: wherewith all of my tomfoolery ness that I have today,
Speaker 3: my scamp neess, if you will scampiness, I would have
Speaker 3: played a prank on you. I would have totally played.
Speaker 3: I would have mailed you like a gift basket or
Speaker 3: something like with all these boys like I would face.
Speaker 1: I would find her on Facebook doesn't exist. I tried,
Speaker 1: Oh you tried that. I have tried to find her. Yeah,
Speaker 1: just I gotta know.
Speaker 3: I'll hire a PI for this prank. I'll do it.
Speaker 1: She's not out there, she's out there. I found her
Speaker 1: brothers and sisters, that's fine. I'll be like.
Speaker 3: I want to prank. I want to play a prank
Speaker 3: on my my best friend. So your sister, you know,
Speaker 3: dated this guy, and there's this scarey he had, and
Speaker 3: you know, explain the whole story, and I will be like,
Speaker 3: I want to prank them, so I need some details.
Speaker 3: I'll get details.
Speaker 1: Yeah, yeah, that would put me in a grave.
Speaker 3: Yeah, that'd be so funny.
Speaker 1: And if I remember he let it, linger like he
Speaker 1: let it. Yeah, he played it all for a few minutes.
Speaker 3: That's funny.
Speaker 1: And then he's like, I'm just kidding.
Speaker 3: Yeah, so funny, But.
Speaker 1: I don't know.
Speaker 3: Well, a few minutes. There's a lot of buffer time
Speaker 3: for him to want to reconsider, you know, lying or not,
Speaker 3: because I get it, I get I get your trepidation there.
Speaker 1: You're right, that's literal earth changing information, right, like for
Speaker 1: a person, for a family, for multiple families.
Speaker 3: Right, Yeah, well hows this If you have a child
Speaker 3: out there, would you.
Speaker 1: Want to know? Yes?
Speaker 3: I would, yeah, absolutely, Okay have you always thought that way? Yeah,
Speaker 3: I would want to know, like they when you were
Speaker 3: sixteen to now, sixteen to sixty Yeah.
Speaker 1: Oh I mean back then, No, I cared. Yeah, I
Speaker 1: cared for sure.
Speaker 3: Yeah, I'm mad that I call you sixty years old.
Speaker 1: No, No, I'm used to it. I'm I'm used to
Speaker 1: the elderly abuse.
Speaker 3: You have a medical alert base on just in case
Speaker 3: I have.
Speaker 1: A diabetes card. You don't. That was good. I liked it.
Speaker 3: I liked it.
Speaker 1: I was I was riveted the whole time.
Speaker 3: Yeah. Yeah. And because we reviewed that movie, I remember
Speaker 3: thinking we were talking about in the review. I think
Speaker 3: we're talking about, like how how fucked up it is
Speaker 3: that this water or whatever the substance that's on the ground, right,
Speaker 3: was made into a cult. It's like a religion there, right,
Speaker 3: And how that guy is using it to like bring
Speaker 3: more acolytes, I guess ideally, And that's what he tried
Speaker 3: to do with that other couple that you see like half.
Speaker 1: Splints fucked up. So that means they weren't no to
Speaker 1: get that's what That's.
Speaker 3: What Luke and Roth were saying. I told them that's
Speaker 3: not the right answer. The whole point of the movie
Speaker 3: is that these two do not belong together, the ones
Speaker 3: that came out all deformed. No, No, the main couple
Speaker 3: do not belong together. They're codependent. It's not a good thing.
Speaker 3: This mutation thing, this water forces them to go together,
Speaker 3: not because they deserve it or because they're meant to that.
Speaker 3: It forces them because, like it's like the dogs in
Speaker 3: the beginning of the movie, they just both happened to
Speaker 3: be there while they both drank the water. They were
Speaker 3: just fused together against their will. That's why they were
Speaker 3: fighting it the whole time, because they had no agency.
Speaker 3: There's no free will in this math math thing. The
Speaker 3: reason that other couple were fucked up is because mid
Speaker 3: transformation the guy died. You saw he had like a
Speaker 3: knife or something sticking out of his head. He died
Speaker 3: in mid transformation, so she's incomplete. That's why she looks
Speaker 3: all fucked up. Not because they weren't like meant to
Speaker 3: be together. Ah okay, yes, I remember have to explain
Speaker 3: that in the review because I was like, that's not
Speaker 3: what happened, guys. I'm like, yeah, and the whole movie
Speaker 3: is about that's about that. It's about the opposite, like
Speaker 3: they're not meant to be together.
Speaker 1: Interesting.
Speaker 3: Yeah, it's not a happy ending, but I got it.
Speaker 1: Okay, that's what I mean.
Speaker 3: That's what I heavily think. I could be wrong.
Speaker 1: I can see it.
Speaker 3: I saw Black Film two yesterday. I really liked it.
Speaker 1: Okay, god, because I really liked the first one.
Speaker 3: I really liked it. Oh so it's out already, yeah,
Speaker 3: just this weekend.
Speaker 1: Very cool.
Speaker 3: I saw a Thursday like right away.
Speaker 1: Worth going to the movies to see or wait for
Speaker 1: streaming or.
Speaker 3: I mean, if you have a crowd, i'd say go
Speaker 3: for it. Yeah, that would be nice. I didn't have
Speaker 3: a crowd. I saw a five pm Sean, but I
Speaker 3: saw I really liked it because I have seen the trailers. Yeah, okay,
Speaker 3: did you think I mean what?
Speaker 1: Oh?
Speaker 3: I mean, what does it look like to you? What
Speaker 3: they're doing. Oh, cause I had one in mind, one
Speaker 3: horror movie franchise in mind. That was curious if you
Speaker 3: thought the same thing when you saw the trailer, because,
Speaker 3: like I first, I liked the first movie. I didn't
Speaker 3: love it, but I liked it, and I watched it
Speaker 3: recently just to get it like a fresh mind on it.
Speaker 3: And it's on Peacock. I think I saw it and
Speaker 3: I was like, Okay, this movie is little better than
Speaker 3: I didn't mention it. I saw it. So when I
Speaker 3: saw the trailer for the second one, I wasn't excited
Speaker 3: to see it because I was like, I don't I
Speaker 3: figured the first one ended it. I don't see why
Speaker 3: we need a sequel. And then I saw the trailer,
Speaker 3: I'm like, oh, they're doing their own version of Nightmare
Speaker 3: and arm straight.
Speaker 1: You think that was the first thought.
Speaker 3: I thought you would get that first thought. Also because
Speaker 3: he's like dad haunting the kid and his sister, who
Speaker 3: are like both you know, supernaturally inclined anyway, and because
Speaker 3: they can see and hear more than other regular people,
Speaker 3: and like he's gonna fuck with them in their dreams.
Speaker 3: He literally says something about that in their dreams and
Speaker 3: there's a scene where the little girl in her bed
Speaker 3: gets hurt, and she is getting hurt in real world.
Speaker 3: In real life, they're doing Freddy Kruger. Yeah, but like
Speaker 3: I with a slightly spin on it. That's my first thought.
Speaker 3: I thought you would have the same thought.
Speaker 1: But yeah, I'm okay with that. I'm good with that.
Speaker 3: So I was like, oh, that's what I'm excited to
Speaker 3: see it. So they did a good job. Yes, I
Speaker 3: like it a lot fun.
Speaker 1: Yeah, I want to see it all right.
Speaker 3: On that note, goy come down in seventeen, sixteen, fifteen, fourteen,
Speaker 3: ninety thirteen, twelve, you Lene, okay, go ahead, keep beginning
Speaker 3: of this sip. Okay, cool.
Speaker 1: You like that shit, don't you.
Speaker 3: Mm hmm.
Speaker 1: No, that's a good one.
Speaker 3: That's what he said. Five what do you two?
Speaker 1: Mm hmmm. Armagnac