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<v Speaker 1>Welcome to my world, bitch.

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<v Speaker 2>Wow, good boy.

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<v Speaker 3>Here.

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<v Speaker 1>Welcome to the one hundred and seventy second episode of

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<v Speaker 1>the Supernatural Occurrent Studies.

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<v Speaker 3>Podcast So Paranormal.

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<v Speaker 1>My name is Jason Knight, host of the show, and

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<v Speaker 1>with me as always is Oscar.

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<v Speaker 3>I can't think of an adjective.

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<v Speaker 1>Spector, producer, extraordinary and podcast co host.

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<v Speaker 3>I fucking froze.

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<v Speaker 1>You did freeze choked In all these episodes, I've never

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<v Speaker 1>seen you choke. You always free.

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<v Speaker 3>Well today it was in a big rush. I left

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<v Speaker 3>my batteries. It's no vape by now. I left my

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<v Speaker 3>spare batteries at home. Oh, it's gonna be extra angry

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<v Speaker 3>at you today.

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<v Speaker 1>You have been so far geriatric abuse, mean bester.

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<v Speaker 3>Yeah, yeah, we're just so old.

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<v Speaker 1>Hey, real quick, can't be all Saints Day to all

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<v Speaker 1>the Catholics out there. It's all Saints Day, Catholics, all

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<v Speaker 1>the Catlics. I just wanted to get that out there, Oscar.

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<v Speaker 1>What has been going on with you, my friend?

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<v Speaker 3>What has been going on? Nothing much as of this recording,

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<v Speaker 3>we haven't we have yet to experience Halloween, so we

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<v Speaker 3>can't give you any real updates on that. So it's

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<v Speaker 3>so funny that people have to wait till the December

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<v Speaker 3>show to find that, to find out what happened on

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<v Speaker 3>Halloween in our timeline like so to speak. But yeah,

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<v Speaker 3>when you listen to this, I hope you everyone has

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<v Speaker 3>to save Halloween. Hopefully the world isn't in ruins as

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<v Speaker 3>the way it feels like it's heading down right now.

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<v Speaker 3>It sure does, especially by my neck of the woods.

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<v Speaker 3>And and I'm I'm by the way, in a safer

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<v Speaker 3>place in most places anyway, So I hope, I hope

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<v Speaker 3>we have some great stories in the future for Halloween.

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<v Speaker 3>But I'm gaming up. I'm excited, you know, Jay, I'm

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<v Speaker 3>not gonna spoil or tell you even though you're not

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<v Speaker 3>going to be there for all these events. But I'm

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<v Speaker 3>not going to tell you exactly. But I have four

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<v Speaker 3>different costumes for four different events. I've already had one

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<v Speaker 3>yours is another like your Halloween on Halloween Day, I

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<v Speaker 3>mean that's that's the second one, and there's a party

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<v Speaker 3>after that. I might go late at night anyway, after

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<v Speaker 3>my house, after your house. I might do it depends

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<v Speaker 3>how much fun I'm having with you. We'll see. No pressure,

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<v Speaker 3>by the way.

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<v Speaker 1>Wow, no pressure. I have to perform.

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<v Speaker 3>I said, no pressure, I see your pressure.

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<v Speaker 1>Depending on how much fun just.

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<v Speaker 3>Said, oh my god, impossible to shop for anyway. Yeah,

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<v Speaker 3>two others one of them got cancer. One of them

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<v Speaker 3>was this cool idea for a party was a glowing

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<v Speaker 3>the Dark themed costs to Halloween party. So everyone had

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<v Speaker 3>to wear something that would either enhance gold and the

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<v Speaker 3>dark stuff like whites or some of those kind of

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<v Speaker 3>colors or what I had in mind was like all black,

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<v Speaker 3>and I had this like glowing dark sticker like tape.

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<v Speaker 3>I was gonna tape like like ruine symbols on me.

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<v Speaker 3>They have it glow in the in the party, but

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<v Speaker 3>it got canceled. Board it was one of my no

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<v Speaker 3>no well maybe and uh, but got no because I

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<v Speaker 3>also have this mask as like a perche mask that

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<v Speaker 3>lights up okay, like it has like a battery thing.

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<v Speaker 3>So I was in a combining with that. Uh, but

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<v Speaker 3>that one got canceled. So I'm still looking for something

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<v Speaker 3>for that one. But yeah, I'm going to like an

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<v Speaker 3>x rayed haunted house of course you are, Yeah that?

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<v Speaker 1>Could you give us one tidbit about an X rayed

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<v Speaker 1>haunted house.

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<v Speaker 3>I didn't memorize the event details.

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<v Speaker 1>But spooky glory holes, like, what are we doing?

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<v Speaker 3>Actually? I think I think there will be glory holes. Yes, wow,

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<v Speaker 3>I think that. I think that's for sure. I mean

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<v Speaker 3>I can look it up right now.

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<v Speaker 1>But I hope the kids are in bed.

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<v Speaker 3>No, there's no children, a lot of them.

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<v Speaker 1>Like is there a Dracula head around the glory hole?

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<v Speaker 3>No, I don't know how.

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<v Speaker 1>I'd be terrible.

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<v Speaker 3>I don't know how serious or sanitary. I don't know

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<v Speaker 3>how whimsical or you know whatever. They're gonna treat it.

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<v Speaker 1>Well.

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<v Speaker 3>They have food here that have costume contest, so it's

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<v Speaker 3>gonna be it won't be just like sex everywhere, so

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<v Speaker 3>that's good, but it is, but it is like sexy costumes, okay,

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<v Speaker 3>like lingerie. Lingerie is heavily inspired, are recommended for like

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<v Speaker 3>women for example, and guys and boxes or whatever. Yeah,

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<v Speaker 3>so it's gonna be like that, I guess so.

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<v Speaker 1>But with someone with my people might have body paint,

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<v Speaker 1>my stature and my girth. Be comfortable walking around.

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<v Speaker 3>As long as you are comfortable with your own body

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<v Speaker 3>and then yes, and.

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<v Speaker 1>I'm not, but don't do it all right, No.

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<v Speaker 3>But everyone's pretty chill on these things though. I would

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<v Speaker 3>say one of the best things about nowadays. And I

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<v Speaker 3>mentioned this before. I think in other times that people

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<v Speaker 3>are much more chill about kind of thing. No one really, No,

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<v Speaker 3>it's it's all about it. If you're there and you

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<v Speaker 3>don't fuck with anyone else, everyone's cool with you, no

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<v Speaker 3>matter how we look or what you'r. You know, like

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<v Speaker 3>you shoe, you shot. If you they turn you down

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<v Speaker 3>as no big deal, that's fine. That happens still. But

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<v Speaker 3>like no one chat says you, and no one says like

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<v Speaker 3>you're too ugly for nothing means nothing like that ever

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<v Speaker 3>happens anymore. And that is great.

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<v Speaker 1>That is that's a that's a wonderful thing.

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<v Speaker 3>I haven't seen it anywhere. I'm sure they exist somewhere,

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<v Speaker 3>but I haven't seen anything.

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<v Speaker 1>It's just me. I have deep seated insecurities.

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<v Speaker 3>Yeah, I mean we all know that for sure.

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<v Speaker 1>Be comfortable with who you are.

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<v Speaker 3>Yeah, away to say, like the only person that can

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<v Speaker 3>inflict mental anguish is you is my point.

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<v Speaker 1>I'm so good at it.

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<v Speaker 3>Yeah, I know you are really good at it. I

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<v Speaker 3>stop buying you mirrors for your birthday for the reason.

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<v Speaker 1>Yeah. No, that sounds fun, man, that sounds fun.

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<v Speaker 3>Thank you. Obviously, I can't tell you what the costume

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<v Speaker 3>might have planned for for your event because you told

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<v Speaker 3>me not to tell you, and now I'll keep the surprise.

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<v Speaker 3>But it is fun. It's a fun little customer.

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<v Speaker 1>That's great.

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<v Speaker 3>It's not too vandish, but it's pretty cool. And you

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<v Speaker 3>have your decorations out and I love them.

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<v Speaker 1>Oh, thank you. Yeah. The front of the house, it's

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<v Speaker 1>I have to say, it is looking nice. I got

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<v Speaker 1>a new animatronic out there. It's it's like almost I

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<v Speaker 1>don't like a four foot slimer. Yeah, so cool fucking

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<v Speaker 1>it is.

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<v Speaker 3>It's basically life like basically.

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<v Speaker 1>And when it goes off, his his eyes light up

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<v Speaker 1>and he makes the sounds from the Ghostbuster movie.

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<v Speaker 3>What was the thing? I was like, I know, with

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<v Speaker 3>some American staple food.

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<v Speaker 1>I thank you, And then I have one more animatronic

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<v Speaker 1>arriving tomorrow because last year in my town we had

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<v Speaker 1>a windstorm, like a record setting windstorm, and it destroyed

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<v Speaker 1>a number of my animatronics, so, uh, I had to

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<v Speaker 1>order some new ones. I got one more coming tomorrow.

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<v Speaker 1>I'm not gonna say what that is. Yeah, I'm gonna

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<v Speaker 1>anchor them. And I think the weather's gonna be nice

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<v Speaker 1>this time, so it should be good. But yeah, my

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<v Speaker 1>cousin Corey built me this fucking awesome casket coffin and

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<v Speaker 1>we burned it with a torch. I mean it looks

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<v Speaker 1>really cool. So that's all lit up in there. Jason

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<v Speaker 1>Voorhi's standing right at the front of my house.

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<v Speaker 3>Yeah, at the front of the yard. Yeah, he's like

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<v Speaker 3>a guard dog.

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<v Speaker 1>Yes. Yeah, I got this huge you know, twelve twelve

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<v Speaker 1>whatever foot skeletons, zombies out there.

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<v Speaker 3>It's it's great, it's a fun it's a fun front year.

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<v Speaker 3>I took a picture. I want to post it. It's

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<v Speaker 3>gonna be cool. Yeah, there's no address, but yeah, awesome.

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<v Speaker 1>So yeah, we'll report back in the holy time of

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<v Speaker 1>Christmas December on what happened.

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<v Speaker 3>It's so weird. Devil's Night two months make a huge

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<v Speaker 3>very cool.

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<v Speaker 1>Well, I I started a new career. I just want

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<v Speaker 1>to put it out there. Oh yeah, I'm super excited

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<v Speaker 1>about it. I'm like, you know, at the pinnacle now

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<v Speaker 1>kind of my industry. Yeah, which is really really exciting, scary, but.

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<v Speaker 3>Well, Glory Halls Camp.

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<v Speaker 1>Is that sanitary? You know? It was a rough four years,

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<v Speaker 1>really bad. Yeah, but now there's sun on the horizon,

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<v Speaker 1>sailing off into better things. I'm really excited about that.

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<v Speaker 1>So I just wanted to mention that, yeah, utter than that.

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<v Speaker 1>It is late October. Yes, it's almost seventy five degrees

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<v Speaker 1>in this fucking house. I need to turn on the

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<v Speaker 1>air conditioner, but you know it's it's too loud with

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<v Speaker 1>the mics. So we have to get going with this

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<v Speaker 1>episode because my family's dying. Yes, I said no, I'm

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<v Speaker 1>not turning on the AC because the word according to

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<v Speaker 1>pick it up. But who would have thought in late December,

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<v Speaker 1>I'm going to jack up the the fucking act. What

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<v Speaker 1>did I say?

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<v Speaker 3>You set December?

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<v Speaker 1>Sorry? Could you dt that out?

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<v Speaker 3>Nope?

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<v Speaker 1>Yeah, late October. It's just unheard of. It's unheard of. Yeah,

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<v Speaker 1>you're right, So after this, I'm going to set it

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<v Speaker 1>to sixty five where we like, it just doesn't make sense, Oscar.

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<v Speaker 1>We are drinking some whiskey. This is Jay Henry. This

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<v Speaker 1>is a Wisconsin distillery.

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<v Speaker 3>This is a very Is that John Hendry? Jay Henry? Like,

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<v Speaker 3>I like your story.

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<v Speaker 1>I don't know who is good back? Homer Jaysmpson, j.

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<v Speaker 3>Oh, my name is Homer, Jay.

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<v Speaker 1>Jay Henry and sons. They're from Wisconsin. This is a

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<v Speaker 1>special bottle. It's La Flem. It's aged in Armagnac barrels Armignac.

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<v Speaker 1>Listen to the outtakes. I want it to me to say,

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<v Speaker 1>Armagnac one hundred and thirteen point five proof aged five

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<v Speaker 1>years is fucking delicious. Nice. I love this bottle. What

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<v Speaker 1>do you think? Do you like?

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<v Speaker 3>I love it?

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<v Speaker 1>There we go, Okay, should take a break, poor a

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<v Speaker 1>little bit more whiskey. You take a break and we'll

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<v Speaker 1>be back Oscar. I liked what you did last episode

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<v Speaker 1>with the multiple shorter stories. Oh yes, so I followed

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<v Speaker 1>that theme.

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<v Speaker 3>Oh is that what people are to be expecting?

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<v Speaker 1>Expect some short stories tonight.

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<v Speaker 3>Okay, I like it and stay with.

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<v Speaker 1>Us, listeners, welcome back to the show. Well, the lights

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<v Speaker 1>are turned down low, the ceremonial candle is lit, and

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<v Speaker 1>the Armagnac is flowing. My god, let's start this show. So,

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<v Speaker 1>like I said, I brought to the table this evening,

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<v Speaker 1>three stories, three shorter stories, because I was I did

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<v Speaker 1>like that idea you came up with last last episode.

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<v Speaker 1>So my first story is called Strange Visitor.

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<v Speaker 3>Oh you titled them?

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<v Speaker 1>I did?

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<v Speaker 3>You gave them titles.

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<v Speaker 1>Okay, across the vast ocean of the Milky Way, a

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<v Speaker 1>rare traveler has emerged from the depths of interstellar space,

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<v Speaker 1>streaking through the Solar System at unimaginable speed. Comet Atlas,

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<v Speaker 1>a mysterious visitor that is not just another frozen relic

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<v Speaker 1>of space, but an interstellar enigma carrying secrets from a

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<v Speaker 1>time and place far beyond our own. Is not bound

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<v Speaker 1>to our Sun or any star, but instead drifts on

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<v Speaker 1>a timeless journey through the galaxy older than our Solar System.

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<v Speaker 1>Three I Atlas carries with it the chemical fingerprints of

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<v Speaker 1>distant stars, and now it graces us humanity with a

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<v Speaker 1>fleeting passage, offering a brief chance to glimpse the mysteries

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<v Speaker 1>of creation itself. As it hurdles closer, glowing green and

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<v Speaker 1>defying expectations, Scientists and stargazers alike are left to wonder.

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<v Speaker 1>Is three Eye Atlas simply a comet from another star

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<v Speaker 1>or a messenger with a purpose we've yet to understand? Now,

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<v Speaker 1>ask her, have you heard of three Eye Atlas?

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<v Speaker 3>No? Honestly, nah, yeah, pretty mind? Yeah, Okay, I don't

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<v Speaker 3>think so.

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<v Speaker 1>And it's fine, and maybe there's you know, probably listeners

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<v Speaker 1>out there who haven't as well. But this has been

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<v Speaker 1>news all over the world. This this strange comment. Okay,

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<v Speaker 1>and I thought about, you know, talking about it before,

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<v Speaker 1>but I just didn't have This is not enough there,

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<v Speaker 1>but perfect for an episode like this. Yeah, shorter stories.

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<v Speaker 1>Now comment three ie Atlas, And that's three I slash forward,

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<v Speaker 3>So is it a drawing of an eye?

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<v Speaker 1>No? Okay no, but it gets its name from two sources.

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<v Speaker 1>Everyone's like, why is it so weird? Why is it

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<v Speaker 1>third confirmed interstellar object we've ever detected. An ATLAS refers

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<v Speaker 1>to the Asteroid Terrestrial Impact Laser Alert System acronym ATLAS. Okay,

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<v Speaker 1>third interstellar comment right, detected by this powerful telescope array

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<v Speaker 1>called ATLAS. Now. It was first spotted on July first,

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<v Speaker 1>twenty twenty five, by the Atlas telescope in Chile. The

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<v Speaker 1>comet had in fact been silently drifting through our solar

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<v Speaker 1>system for quite some time before astronomers even realized this

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<v Speaker 1>thing was there, its presence hidden in older telescope images,

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<v Speaker 1>just waiting to be discovered now. Unlike a simple space rock,

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<v Speaker 1>if you could call space rock simple. Three Iye Atlas

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<v Speaker 1>is classified as a comet because as it approaches our Sun,

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<v Speaker 1>it releases gas and dust that creates a glowing coma

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<v Speaker 1>and a tail. What makes it especially fascinating, however, is

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<v Speaker 1>that it is interstellar, meaning it came from somewhere far,

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<v Speaker 1>far far beyond our soul or system, and eventually it'll

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<v Speaker 1>pass us and it will continue on its journey back

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<v Speaker 1>into interstellar space, never to return.

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<v Speaker 3>So there's no worry about this comet being like stucked

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<v Speaker 3>onto the gravity wells of some other thing in our galaxy,

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<v Speaker 3>in our solar system. We don't know, okay, So it's

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<v Speaker 3>possible that it could stay with us. We just get

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<v Speaker 3>stucked up by Jupiter or something.

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<v Speaker 1>And that's part of the mystique of this thing, because

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<v Speaker 1>it hasn't happened. What you just describe has not happened.

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<v Speaker 3>Oh, so it will become like why hasn't happened? What

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<v Speaker 1>Exactly or why is it making because and I'm giving

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<v Speaker 1>away a little bit more. Sorry, No, it's okay, it's okay.

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<v Speaker 1>I don't know.

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<v Speaker 3>That was part of the mystery. I want to have

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<v Speaker 3>asked It's.

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<v Speaker 1>Okay because through Atlas is making close fly by. I

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<v Speaker 1>mean close. We're talking millions of miles, but by a

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<v Speaker 1>number of planets. It's aligning perfectly as these planets spin

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<v Speaker 1>to make a fly by of them, a close flyby,

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<v Speaker 1>and it's not being sucked in and it's not being

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<v Speaker 1>pushed this way or that.

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<v Speaker 3>By grad Oh that sounds intentional.

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<v Speaker 1>Oh, thank you. So that's why the people are going

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<v Speaker 1>nuts over this thing.

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<v Speaker 3>I'm going nuts right now.

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<v Speaker 1>Just wait, this gets crazier. Oh so, now, in case

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<v Speaker 1>you didn't know, it's been in the news and everything,

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<v Speaker 1>but comment three, I at List made a close flyby

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<v Speaker 1>to Mars on October third, twenty twenty five. What's cool

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<v Speaker 1>about this fly by is that we have space based

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<v Speaker 1>cameras at the ready, which will hopefully be able to

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<v Speaker 1>take the clearest photographs ever of this mysterious object. There's

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<v Speaker 1>the Mars Reconnaissance Reconnaissance Orbiter launched by NASA, and the

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<v Speaker 1>Mars Express and the Exo Mars Trace Gas Orbiter. Both

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<v Speaker 1>of those were launched by the European Space Agency or EESA,

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<v Speaker 1>and in fact, the ESA's Exo Mars Trace grap Gas

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<v Speaker 1>orbiter did capture images of three i at lists on

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<v Speaker 1>October third, and what's immediately striking is that there is

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<v Speaker 1>no tail. It's a comet, there should be a tail,

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<v Speaker 1>but there isn't and this fact drives scientists nuts. Now,

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<v Speaker 1>the ESA quietly released the photos taken by Exo Mars,

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<v Speaker 1>and there's a link in the show notes where you

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<v Speaker 1>can see these photos in action, so you see kind

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<v Speaker 1>of this thing flying, there's no tail. So Europe gave

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<v Speaker 1>the world the first close up, high res images of

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<v Speaker 1>three i at lists. But what about NASA. They have

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<v Speaker 1>cameras up there too, like the Mars Reconnaissance orbiter. Like

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<v Speaker 1>I mentioned, why isn't NASA releasing any of these super

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<v Speaker 1>high res photos. Well, funny story, just two days before

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<v Speaker 1>three i at lists was to make its pass by Mars,

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<v Speaker 1>so on October first, the US government went into shutdown. Convenient,

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<v Speaker 1>isn't it. Now NASA's classified as non essential, meaning they're scientists.

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<v Speaker 1>They're not in the office right now, they're out of

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<v Speaker 1>the office.

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<v Speaker 3>Messages on you mean as it's passing by the nearest

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<v Speaker 3>planet to us.

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<v Speaker 1>Yeah, I mean you're getting it. You're picking up what

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<v Speaker 1>I'm putting out. So therefore, publicly, NASA isn't analyzing new

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<v Speaker 1>data on three iatlis, and no new images are being

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<v Speaker 1>released by NASA. Total blackout, no updates, no statements, nothing. Now,

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<v Speaker 1>of course, one could argue that was almost It's almost

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<v Speaker 1>as if someone wanted to make sure the public couldn't

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<v Speaker 1>see what was really happening out there with three I Atlas.

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<v Speaker 1>But I'm getting ahead of myself. With conspiracy theory, there's

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<v Speaker 1>a lot of them. We'll get into those a bit.

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<v Speaker 1>But so now, after Mars, three I Atlis will make

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<v Speaker 1>its closest pass to the Sun on October thirtieth, twenty

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<v Speaker 1>twenty five, so just two days before this episode's release

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<v Speaker 1>on November one, right, and it's gonna skim just inside

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<v Speaker 1>the orbit of Mars. Its nearest approach to Earth will

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<v Speaker 1>come on Friday, December nineteenth, approximately twenty twenty five, when

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<v Speaker 1>it passes at a staggering disc into one hundred and

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<v Speaker 1>sixty seven million miles from our little blue rock here. Now. Unfortunately,

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<v Speaker 1>in a twist of cosmic irony, during this time, the

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<v Speaker 1>comet will lie hidden on the far side of the Sun,

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<v Speaker 1>completely unobservable to us here on Earth. Rea And after

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<v Speaker 1>that brief alignment three, Ie Atlas will slip away forever,

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<v Speaker 1>racing back into the silent void of interstellar space, disappearing

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<v Speaker 1>into the darkness, and human eyes will never lay eyes

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<v Speaker 1>on it again. That concept of never, it's never gonna

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<v Speaker 1>happen and we're never gonna see it again. It's just

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<v Speaker 1>it's hard to put your mind around, you know what

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<v Speaker 1>I mean?

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<v Speaker 3>Yeah, I mean, but you could, you could make comparison.

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<v Speaker 3>It's like throwing It's like throwing a pebble on the ocean.

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<v Speaker 3>You'll never see that pebble again, just as likely, just

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<v Speaker 3>as for sure. Right, Yeah, that's that's the same.

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<v Speaker 1>That's right.

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<v Speaker 3>It feels like that.

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<v Speaker 1>Guys, it does feel like that, and it's not a

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<v Speaker 1>good feeling. I don't know why.

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<v Speaker 3>Well, because you know, you and I are fascinated by this,

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<v Speaker 3>and we're fascinating along with this with answers and we're

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<v Speaker 3>just not going we're different, but we're not going to

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<v Speaker 3>get them, and that bugs us and it makes them

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<v Speaker 3>want to punch people. Yeah, I get it.

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<v Speaker 1>Fucking angry.

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<v Speaker 3>I have so many questions for the conspiratorial aspect of this,

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<v Speaker 3>but we'll get there.

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<v Speaker 1>Yeah, it gets fun. Okay, So we know where this

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<v Speaker 1>comet will be on specific dates in the immediate future,

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<v Speaker 1>and we know where it's heading, but tracing where three

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<v Speaker 1>I Atlas originated is much more difficult. Scientists have attempted

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<v Speaker 1>to reconstruct its path through orbital calculations all the science shit,

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<v Speaker 1>but the pull of gravity from countless stars makes it

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<v Speaker 1>nearly impossible to identify its exact birthplace. Some studies suggest

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<v Speaker 1>that it may have come from a part of the

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<v Speaker 1>Milky Way known as the thick Disk. This vast and

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<v Speaker 1>ancient region that spans roughly four thousand to sixteen thousand

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<v Speaker 1>light years in thickness. The thick disc can tins primarily

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<v Speaker 1>older stars with lower metallicity than those in the thin disk,

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<v Speaker 1>making it a unique stellar population. Okay, but now let

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<v Speaker 1>me blow your mind a little bit here. So remember

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<v Speaker 1>I said the thick disk is thought to be between

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<v Speaker 1>four thousand and sixteen thousand light years in thickness.

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<v Speaker 3>Right, Yeah, are you're saying blowing your mind in thickness?

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<v Speaker 3>It's just too funny. I'm sorry, No, that's me, that's

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<v Speaker 3>me being a buffoon. I'm just saying, so.

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<v Speaker 1>Thick disk, Yeah, four thousand to sixteen thousand light years

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<v Speaker 1>thick So one light year, just one is so I

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<v Speaker 1>gotta take a sip for little five trillion, eight hundred

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<v Speaker 1>and seventy eight billion, six hundred and twenty five million,

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<v Speaker 1>three hundred and seventy five thousand miles. That's a single

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<v Speaker 1>light year. Multiply that obscene number by four thousand or

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<v Speaker 1>sixteen thousand, and that's the approximate thickness of the thick disk. Okay,

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<v Speaker 1>we're thinking.

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<v Speaker 3>I'll think, so you take it.

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<v Speaker 1>I just keep saying, is your mind all right? I'm

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<v Speaker 1>moving on. But that's where they think this thing might

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<v Speaker 1>have come from, this kind of primordial.

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<v Speaker 3>Like like a top for stars. Yeah, dude, that's where

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<v Speaker 3>my mind's a cosmic forest, unmanned, uncharted territory.

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<v Speaker 1>Never seen by human we'll never probably see like it.

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<v Speaker 1>It hurts your head.

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<v Speaker 3>Yeah shit, Yeah.

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<v Speaker 1>So if this connection to the Milky Ways thick disc

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<v Speaker 1>is correct, then three I at list could be extraordinarily old,

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<v Speaker 1>possibly more than seven billion years old. Billion. Now, keep

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<v Speaker 1>in mind our sun is approximately four point six billion

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<v Speaker 1>years old, Earth about four point five billion years old.

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<v Speaker 1>The other planets up there circling us right now, somewhere

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<v Speaker 1>in the neighborhood of four point x billion years old, right,

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<v Speaker 1>So that would make commet three I at lists the

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<v Speaker 1>oldest body in our solar system right now. It's crazy

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<v Speaker 1>to think about.

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<v Speaker 3>It's like when you see old people on the mall

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<v Speaker 3>in the morning.

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<v Speaker 1>Oh they're so cute.

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<v Speaker 3>Right, but they're old. It's like a different generation, Like

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<v Speaker 3>what are you doing here? You get out of here?

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<v Speaker 3>So belong belong here? Can't be shopping at the Spenser's.

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<v Speaker 1>The Spencers.

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<v Speaker 3>That's what I feel, that this old thing. Come see

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<v Speaker 3>why neighborhoods right exactly?

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<v Speaker 1>Yeah, I love that. Yeah, but just imagine what this

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<v Speaker 1>thing has seen, where it's been, and what it's picked

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<v Speaker 1>up along the way. And this is one reason why

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<v Speaker 1>three i at lists really sticks out as unusual because

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<v Speaker 1>three I at list comes from outside our solar system.

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<v Speaker 1>It carries materials and chemical signatures from an entirely different

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<v Speaker 1>star system. That makes it scientifically valuable as it offers

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<v Speaker 1>our astronomers this rare opportunity need to compare how commets

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<v Speaker 1>in our solar system formed versus commets that originated elsewhere,

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<v Speaker 1>you know, in another.

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<v Speaker 3>Right, Yeah, it's a great it's like having how do

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<v Speaker 3>you call it? In scientific terms? I like this a

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<v Speaker 3>lot and I have to start too. Is that it's

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<v Speaker 3>like when you have when you study something. Let's say,

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<v Speaker 3>if you study one animal in your region and then

429
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<v Speaker 3>you find out that this animal is where there's the

430
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<v Speaker 3>same animal in opposite side of the world. You your

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<v Speaker 3>need for wanting to study that animal and seeing how

432
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<v Speaker 3>how the difference of that animal to twenty thousand miles

433
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<v Speaker 3>away whatever Liz grows up biologically speaking, how it acts,

434
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<v Speaker 3>and like the need for that is too great because

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<v Speaker 3>you want to know if there are differences and what

436
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<v Speaker 3>those differences are and how do you calculate them. It's

437
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<v Speaker 3>like having a whole different, other like sample to go

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<v Speaker 3>out of, Like it enhances are what we know of

439
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<v Speaker 3>now by a lot. I imagine it must be just

440
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<v Speaker 3>really scientificly rich. Oh God, I can feel it already.

441
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<v Speaker 1>God is so rich. Who I mean, how many movies

442
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<v Speaker 1>have there been where people try to harness a rock

443
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<v Speaker 1>like this because of the unique medical mental signatures on

444
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<v Speaker 1>it that they can harvest and use for other applications.

445
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<v Speaker 1>It's worth billions of dollars, you know.

446
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<v Speaker 3>Yeah, could be the same thing.

447
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<v Speaker 1>Here in real life.

448
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<v Speaker 3>Yeah, it's crazy.

449
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<v Speaker 1>It's great.

450
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<v Speaker 3>It's up there right now, especially with her.

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<v Speaker 1>Now, another reason three I Atlis stands out is its

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<v Speaker 1>potential size. Some estimates suggest that it might be one

453
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<v Speaker 1>of the largest interstellar objects ever detected, with the mass

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<v Speaker 1>of over thirty three billion tons. Now, to kind of

455
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<v Speaker 1>put that in somewhat of a perspective, thirty three billion

456
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<v Speaker 1>tons is slightly greater than the annual accumulation of all

457
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<v Speaker 1>human made materials on Earth. This includes concrete, asphalt, plastic,

458
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<v Speaker 1>and anything manufactured trash. Trash too would be far of

459
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<v Speaker 1>fallout of manufacturing. So yeah, Now, the size of the

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<v Speaker 1>comics the comet's nucleus, it's the icy core, the solid

461
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<v Speaker 1>icy core of the comet. That size remains uncertain, but

462
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<v Speaker 1>Hubble Space telescope images and observations suggest that it could

463
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<v Speaker 1>be up to three and a half miles across. That's

464
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<v Speaker 1>bigger than Manhattan. Yeah, that's huge.

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<v Speaker 3>Yeah, that was your head as it would be that.

466
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<v Speaker 1>Well, matter of fact, they're comparing it in size to

467
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<v Speaker 1>what wiped out the dinosaurs.

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<v Speaker 3>Yeah, I was gonna say, it must be like a

469
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<v Speaker 3>life the world vendor. Well, thank you birth there, you're right,

470
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<v Speaker 3>you're right.

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<v Speaker 1>Its speed also adds to its extraordinarily strange nature, as

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<v Speaker 1>this thing races through the Solar system. Three I Atlas

473
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<v Speaker 1>travels at nearly one hundred and thirty thousand miles per hour,

474
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<v Speaker 1>make it one of the making it one of the

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<v Speaker 1>fastest interstellar comets ever observed, emphasizing just how unusual and

476
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<v Speaker 1>remarkable this visitor from Beyond truly is. And to give

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<v Speaker 1>a little perspective on that speed, if you were cruising

478
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<v Speaker 1>Oscar at one hundred and thirty thousand miles per hour,

479
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<v Speaker 1>you could travel from New York to la in just

480
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<v Speaker 1>a minute and twenty seconds. Nice to put it another way,

481
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<v Speaker 1>if you blink, three I Atlis just traveled thirty miles

482
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<v Speaker 1>in that instant. Nice to put it. Simply, by the

483
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<v Speaker 1>time you realize three Iyatlas is there, it's already gone,

484
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<v Speaker 1>gone even stranger and I kind of touched on this

485
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<v Speaker 1>briefly a few minutes ago. The three Iyatlas's tail behaves

486
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<v Speaker 1>in unexpected ways. Now, normally it a comet's tail points

487
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<v Speaker 1>away from the Sun because solar wind pushing pushes gas

488
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<v Speaker 1>and dust outward. However, in the case of three I Atlis,

489
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<v Speaker 1>parts of his tail, when it was observable, have appeared

490
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<v Speaker 1>to curve towards the Sun. Leaving scientists just baffled and

491
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<v Speaker 1>like I said, in the most recent photos from ESA,

492
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<v Speaker 1>European Space Agency, there's no tail at all, very very weird.

493
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<v Speaker 1>Especially flying through space at one hundred and thirty thousand

494
00:27:07.920 --> 00:27:12.240
<v Speaker 1>miles an hour, this comet should have a long, beautiful,

495
00:27:12.440 --> 00:27:19.359
<v Speaker 1>observable tail, but it doesn't. Why it's chemical composition is

496
00:27:19.440 --> 00:27:23.720
<v Speaker 1>also really strange. The comet seems to be lacking certain

497
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<v Speaker 1>carbon chain molecules such as C two or diatomic carbon

498
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<v Speaker 1>that are usually found in comets, which are usually found

499
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<v Speaker 1>in comets, Yet in photos through i at list gives

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<v Speaker 1>off this green glow which is usually caused by those

501
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<v Speaker 1>very carbon chain molecules that seem to be missing. So

502
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<v Speaker 1>how is this thing glowing green? The comet's also shedding

503
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<v Speaker 1>huge amounts of nickel with low amounts of iron, again

504
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<v Speaker 1>something unusual when compared to other comets that originated in

505
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<v Speaker 1>our Solar system. It's like never seen before, kind of unusual.

506
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<v Speaker 1>These chemical anomalies only deep in the mystery of what

507
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<v Speaker 1>this thing is.

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<v Speaker 3>Yeah, I wonder how if it feels like it must

509
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<v Speaker 3>have some yet undiscovered element it's causing like to have

510
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<v Speaker 3>this radiance that not only it makes it green, but

511
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<v Speaker 3>also gives gives the tail what it is and the

512
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<v Speaker 3>pointing towards the sun or the no tail. And I

513
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<v Speaker 3>can think that's it must be something we are we

514
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<v Speaker 3>don't understand understand yet, right, keep sort of substance that

515
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<v Speaker 3>we have and yet discovered.

516
00:28:34.599 --> 00:28:37.079
<v Speaker 1>Yeah, keeping logic about us. That's what it is. Our

517
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<v Speaker 1>models just haven't. We don't have it yet. Yeah, to understand.

518
00:28:41.480 --> 00:28:44.960
<v Speaker 1>But other people are saying different things. We'll talk about that.

519
00:28:45.119 --> 00:28:49.680
<v Speaker 1>But now, when compared to the other two interstellar objects

520
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<v Speaker 1>ever recorded, because remember this is three I at list,

521
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<v Speaker 1>there are two before it, that would be one I

522
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<v Speaker 1>am a Moor and two I bores of three Atlis

523
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<v Speaker 1>stands out in interesting ways. The first known interstellar visitor

524
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<v Speaker 1>one I a Mua Moa, which was discovered in twenty seventeen.

525
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<v Speaker 1>That one was highly unusual too. It had no visible

526
00:29:11.559 --> 00:29:15.519
<v Speaker 1>comet Taiale, and it too moved in unexpected ways, sparking

527
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<v Speaker 1>debate about its nature. The second, two I Borisov, discovered

528
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<v Speaker 1>in twenty nineteen, behaved more like a classic comet, with

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<v Speaker 1>gas and dust, similar to comets in our own solar system.

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<v Speaker 1>Three I at Lis, though appears to be much more

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<v Speaker 1>massive than either of its predecessors, and it shows more

532
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<v Speaker 1>extreme chemical oddities like I mentioned, while it behaves more

533
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<v Speaker 1>like a comet than a Mua Moa did three Atlis.

534
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<v Speaker 1>Three Atlis's odd tale behavior, unusual chemistry, and massive size

535
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<v Speaker 1>make it one of the most puzzling objects of its kind.

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<v Speaker 2>Now.

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<v Speaker 1>Of course, as with many strange discoveries in space, three

538
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<v Speaker 1>I Atlis has inspired conspiracy theories and incredibly bold speculations.

539
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<v Speaker 1>Some have suggested that it could be an alien spacecraft

540
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<v Speaker 1>or a probe, perhaps with artificial features, or even an

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<v Speaker 1>intentional orbital path that brings it near planets like Mars,

542
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<v Speaker 1>Venus and Jupiter, almost like it's passing these planets to

543
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<v Speaker 1>observe them. Others have wondered whether it's unusual glow or

544
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<v Speaker 1>tail behavior could point to a technological origin, with the

545
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<v Speaker 1>comment acting as some sort of kind of kind of

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<v Speaker 1>like a reconnaissance object or on a reconnaissance mission. While

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<v Speaker 1>these ideas are intriguing, they're not widely accepted by the

548
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<v Speaker 1>scientific community. Of course. Most astronomers argue that the observed

549
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<v Speaker 1>features can likely be explained by some natural processes. We

550
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<v Speaker 1>just don't fully understand it.

551
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<v Speaker 3>Like you said right.

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<v Speaker 1>Still, some scientists, most notably this really cool guy named

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<v Speaker 1>Avi Lobe. He's a Harvard professor, former chair of Harvard's

554
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<v Speaker 1>Department of a sh Astronomy, and head of the Galileo Project,

555
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<v Speaker 1>an initiative launched in twenty twenty one to search for

556
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<v Speaker 1>extraterrestrial intelligence. Avi Lobe has been very vocal about the

557
00:31:10.279 --> 00:31:13.880
<v Speaker 1>possibility that three I Atlas might not be entirely natural.

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<v Speaker 1>Lobe and others other academics point to several anomalies. There's

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<v Speaker 1>the comet's brightness, which seems to come not only from

560
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<v Speaker 1>sunlight reflecting off its dust and gas, but possibly from

561
00:31:26.960 --> 00:31:31.160
<v Speaker 1>the nucleus itself, like it's its own light source. Its

562
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<v Speaker 1>orbitlow path, which passes close to several planets, what Lobe

563
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<v Speaker 1>described as an incredibly precise path, a fine tuned path,

564
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<v Speaker 1>in other words, a path that's much more than mere coincidence,

565
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<v Speaker 1>and unlike many comets, Lobe says, three I Atlas shows

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<v Speaker 1>very little non gravitational acceleration, which might suggest an unusually

567
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<v Speaker 1>mass of nucleus or some other unknown factor like a

568
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<v Speaker 1>propulsion system, say like an engine or something. Yes, combined

569
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<v Speaker 1>with its odd tail behavior its brightness, it's preciseness and

570
00:32:03.960 --> 00:32:07.839
<v Speaker 1>its unusual chemistry. These details have fueled the pate debate

571
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<v Speaker 1>about whether three ieatlists could be an alien craft, a mothership,

572
00:32:11.559 --> 00:32:13.039
<v Speaker 1>or a probe of some sort, like I.

573
00:32:12.960 --> 00:32:14.759
<v Speaker 3>Could be using the sun, Like it could be here

574
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<v Speaker 3>to use the Sun for a gas station, and that's

575
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<v Speaker 3>why the tail points.

576
00:32:18.200 --> 00:32:24.079
<v Speaker 1>Towards recharging solar power. Yeah, and there are tons of

577
00:32:24.200 --> 00:32:27.720
<v Speaker 1>conspiracy theories circulating online, let me tell you. Of course,

578
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<v Speaker 1>some connect three I at lists to religious or apocalyptic interpretations.

579
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<v Speaker 1>For example, comparisons have been made to the prophetic falling

580
00:32:35.480 --> 00:32:39.279
<v Speaker 1>stars like Wormwood from the Book of Revelation, a sure

581
00:32:39.359 --> 00:32:41.839
<v Speaker 1>sign that three I atlas is a harbinger of the

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<v Speaker 1>end times. Other theories hold that the object might be

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<v Speaker 1>using non gravitational acceleration, like some kind of engine or

584
00:32:49.400 --> 00:32:52.279
<v Speaker 1>propulsion system, and that's how the common is staying on

585
00:32:52.319 --> 00:32:56.119
<v Speaker 1>its very precise course. Others argue it might not be

586
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<v Speaker 1>intentional that three ie atlists will be hidden by the

587
00:32:58.759 --> 00:33:02.279
<v Speaker 1>Sun when it makes its closest passed by Earth, that

588
00:33:02.319 --> 00:33:05.559
<v Speaker 1>it's a purposeful way to avoid being seen and observed

589
00:33:05.960 --> 00:33:10.559
<v Speaker 1>at its brightest or most revealing moments. I love that idea.

590
00:33:10.720 --> 00:33:13.720
<v Speaker 1>I've even seen photos online that supposedly show a close

591
00:33:13.799 --> 00:33:16.960
<v Speaker 1>up of three iye Atlas with hundreds of windows, all

592
00:33:17.000 --> 00:33:20.079
<v Speaker 1>glowing white, looking almost like a city on this rock.

593
00:33:21.880 --> 00:33:26.319
<v Speaker 1>And there's rampant rumors surfacing stating that as many as

594
00:33:26.440 --> 00:33:31.759
<v Speaker 1>nine smaller objects are traveling alongside three iye Atlas, encircling it,

595
00:33:31.839 --> 00:33:35.880
<v Speaker 1>interacting with it, almost like an entourage. There's a photo

596
00:33:36.039 --> 00:33:39.720
<v Speaker 1>showing these objects formed in a perfectly straight line along

597
00:33:39.720 --> 00:33:42.640
<v Speaker 1>with three iyatlis, and I'll leave that photo in the

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<v Speaker 1>show notes. Some even speculate that these additional objects are

599
00:33:47.079 --> 00:33:51.079
<v Speaker 1>those probes we mentioned earlier, dispatched as reconnaissance to the

600
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<v Speaker 1>very planet that three eye Atlas passes with this uncanny precision,

601
00:33:56.000 --> 00:33:58.759
<v Speaker 1>and the question lingers, could one of them be bound

602
00:33:58.799 --> 00:34:04.160
<v Speaker 1>for Earth? Then, as if all this isn't enough. On

603
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<v Speaker 1>September thirtieth, so three days before three iye at lists

604
00:34:07.680 --> 00:34:10.960
<v Speaker 1>made its pass by Mars on October third, more than

605
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<v Speaker 1>eight hundred top US military leaders from around the world

606
00:34:15.239 --> 00:34:18.280
<v Speaker 1>were gathered for a last minute meeting at Marine Corps

607
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<v Speaker 1>Bate based Quantico officially to sit for a meeting with

608
00:34:22.679 --> 00:34:29.159
<v Speaker 1>Defense Secretary Pete Hegseth, where he publicly and unapologetically condemned

609
00:34:29.239 --> 00:34:34.519
<v Speaker 1>military DEI initiatives, woke military culture, fat generals and admirals,

610
00:34:34.760 --> 00:34:37.639
<v Speaker 1>and the overall weakening of the US military.

611
00:34:37.320 --> 00:34:37.840
<v Speaker 3>And all this.

612
00:34:38.559 --> 00:34:41.679
<v Speaker 1>It was one hell of a speech, But insiders claim

613
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<v Speaker 1>the mood at the meeting was tense and guarded, more

614
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<v Speaker 1>like a classified briefing than a motivational speech or a

615
00:34:48.880 --> 00:34:53.079
<v Speaker 1>morale speech, which begs the question was this meeting really

616
00:34:53.119 --> 00:34:56.920
<v Speaker 1>about diversity programs or was it about something far bigger.

617
00:34:57.719 --> 00:35:02.559
<v Speaker 1>Some believed this unprecedented, the gathering of America's highest ranking officers

618
00:35:02.679 --> 00:35:05.400
<v Speaker 1>just three days before three iatlists could be spotted by

619
00:35:05.440 --> 00:35:09.599
<v Speaker 1>super advanced cameras in space, wasn't about politics at all,

620
00:35:10.119 --> 00:35:13.039
<v Speaker 1>but about three IYAT lists, what it is, where it

621
00:35:13.079 --> 00:35:18.320
<v Speaker 1>came from, and what's coming next. Then the very next day,

622
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<v Speaker 1>on October first, the US government goes into shutdown and

623
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<v Speaker 1>NASA goes dark. What the fuck? Now? Of course, I'm

624
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<v Speaker 1>not saying all this is true. It's one big conspiracy,

625
00:35:30.400 --> 00:35:33.360
<v Speaker 1>but you have to admit the timing of everything. It's

626
00:35:33.400 --> 00:35:34.320
<v Speaker 1>really hard to ignore.

627
00:35:35.079 --> 00:35:39.719
<v Speaker 3>Yeah, and we had that one other colonel admiral quick recently. Now,

628
00:35:39.760 --> 00:35:43.039
<v Speaker 3>though the reasons are they are more politically motivated. As

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<v Speaker 3>far as I know, but I can see a lot

630
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<v Speaker 3>of good conspiracy theorists saying that that it could be part.

631
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<v Speaker 1>Of this sure, right, yeah, it's crazy. It's crazy.

632
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<v Speaker 3>Now.

633
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<v Speaker 1>Of course, the majority of scientists, they remain skeptical about

634
00:35:58.320 --> 00:36:01.679
<v Speaker 1>all these crazy claims. They argue and rightfully so, that

635
00:36:01.760 --> 00:36:05.079
<v Speaker 1>extraordinary claims such as the comet being an alien craft

636
00:36:05.199 --> 00:36:09.440
<v Speaker 1>or a probe require extraordinary evidence, and to date none

637
00:36:09.480 --> 00:36:13.679
<v Speaker 1>have been found. Many of the comet's odyssey odd oddities

638
00:36:14.000 --> 00:36:17.840
<v Speaker 1>could still be explained by natural forces like unusual ice

639
00:36:18.280 --> 00:36:23.039
<v Speaker 1>or dust compositions, electromagnetic effects, or limitations in our current

640
00:36:23.119 --> 00:36:26.800
<v Speaker 1>scientific and astrological models. We just don't get it yet.

641
00:36:27.440 --> 00:36:31.639
<v Speaker 1>For now, NASA and most astro astronomers continue to treat

642
00:36:31.639 --> 00:36:34.280
<v Speaker 1>three iat Lists as just a comet until clear evidence

643
00:36:34.280 --> 00:36:40.119
<v Speaker 1>shows otherwise. And despite these debates, three Iatlists leave scientists

644
00:36:40.199 --> 00:36:43.519
<v Speaker 1>with many unanswered questions. Its true size and its mass

645
00:36:43.559 --> 00:36:47.639
<v Speaker 1>remain uncertain. Its strange tail behavior is another puzzle. Its

646
00:36:47.719 --> 00:36:53.000
<v Speaker 1>chemical anomalies, particularly the missing carbon molecules and unexpected green glow.

647
00:36:54.119 --> 00:36:57.440
<v Speaker 1>Tracing its exact origin outside our solar system is also

648
00:36:57.760 --> 00:37:03.000
<v Speaker 1>extremely difficult, since gravitation polls from countless stars make reconstructing

649
00:37:03.039 --> 00:37:07.119
<v Speaker 1>its path and origin nearly impossible. And how's the path

650
00:37:07.199 --> 00:37:09.760
<v Speaker 1>so exact? Uh?

651
00:37:09.840 --> 00:37:12.519
<v Speaker 3>Yeah, I mean I'm gonna talk about that real quick,

652
00:37:12.559 --> 00:37:15.119
<v Speaker 3>because yeah, that was my first thought of intelligent life

653
00:37:15.159 --> 00:37:18.199
<v Speaker 3>on it, or at least like it has some purpose,

654
00:37:18.760 --> 00:37:21.559
<v Speaker 3>not to say that it's a machine or anything. It

655
00:37:21.599 --> 00:37:25.280
<v Speaker 3>could be a comet, a real comic with something attached

656
00:37:25.320 --> 00:37:27.119
<v Speaker 3>to it. I can, like, I was thinking like that

657
00:37:27.199 --> 00:37:30.679
<v Speaker 3>you mentioned it like a surveillance of some kind or

658
00:37:30.719 --> 00:37:35.119
<v Speaker 3>some sort of probe or maybe like a like a

659
00:37:35.159 --> 00:37:38.079
<v Speaker 3>deep sea fishing hook kind of thing, you know, seeing

660
00:37:38.079 --> 00:37:44.400
<v Speaker 3>what it can catch. And yeah, and I was like, oh, man,

661
00:37:44.480 --> 00:37:48.000
<v Speaker 3>if it notices either if it's looking for life, you

662
00:37:48.039 --> 00:37:51.239
<v Speaker 3>know I eos or an energy source like the sun,

663
00:37:52.159 --> 00:37:54.119
<v Speaker 3>or or maybe just looking for the Sun as it's

664
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<v Speaker 3>passing through just to get some energy to keep going,

665
00:37:58.280 --> 00:38:01.119
<v Speaker 3>it could just be going forever, which I had this

666
00:38:01.159 --> 00:38:03.519
<v Speaker 3>thought also, like I wonder, and now you ever mentioned this,

667
00:38:03.559 --> 00:38:07.840
<v Speaker 3>so I don't think it's happening. I wonder if scientists

668
00:38:07.880 --> 00:38:11.360
<v Speaker 3>had the thought of like trying to attach one of

669
00:38:11.400 --> 00:38:16.199
<v Speaker 3>our own probes to this comet to see, uh you

670
00:38:16.199 --> 00:38:17.880
<v Speaker 3>know what I'm saying, Like I'm not saying so we

671
00:38:17.920 --> 00:38:19.920
<v Speaker 3>can get readings on how far it's going to go

672
00:38:20.039 --> 00:38:23.719
<v Speaker 3>once it passes our solar system. But beyond that, like

673
00:38:23.719 --> 00:38:27.719
<v Speaker 3>like this is a natural version of like when we

674
00:38:27.800 --> 00:38:30.760
<v Speaker 3>throw I forget what we call them, you know, those

675
00:38:30.800 --> 00:38:33.360
<v Speaker 3>things like you know, sonic waves or whatever into space

676
00:38:33.440 --> 00:38:35.960
<v Speaker 3>and the hopes that some intelligent life one day we'll

677
00:38:36.000 --> 00:38:38.719
<v Speaker 3>hear it like that, like that, like we put in

678
00:38:38.760 --> 00:38:41.320
<v Speaker 3>that we give them. We put it like an escape

679
00:38:41.400 --> 00:38:45.679
<v Speaker 3>one of those capsules or whatever, you know, Like, I

680
00:38:45.719 --> 00:38:46.960
<v Speaker 3>wonder if that was talked.

681
00:38:46.719 --> 00:38:48.840
<v Speaker 1>About, well, oh, I'm sure it was.

682
00:38:49.119 --> 00:38:52.039
<v Speaker 3>Yeah, to attach something to this comment as it's passing.

683
00:38:51.880 --> 00:38:54.679
<v Speaker 1>Us by, I wonder, could you target ships in the night?

684
00:38:54.760 --> 00:38:56.519
<v Speaker 1>You know, could you target something that's moving in one

685
00:38:56.559 --> 00:38:57.760
<v Speaker 1>hundred and thirty thousand miles an hour?

686
00:38:58.000 --> 00:38:58.559
<v Speaker 3>I think we can.

687
00:38:58.639 --> 00:38:59.199
<v Speaker 1>I think we can.

688
00:38:59.360 --> 00:39:01.400
<v Speaker 3>I mean I'm not smart, but they can do it. Yeah.

689
00:39:01.719 --> 00:39:05.360
<v Speaker 3>I feel like that's within our realm of possibility. Scientifically speaking,

690
00:39:05.400 --> 00:39:07.679
<v Speaker 3>it's not so loud. I mean, we can basically land

691
00:39:07.679 --> 00:39:09.519
<v Speaker 3>on Mars almost, you know, I fear we could do that.

692
00:39:09.719 --> 00:39:11.599
<v Speaker 1>We have we have equipment on Mars. Yeah.

693
00:39:11.679 --> 00:39:13.559
<v Speaker 3>No, I'm saying we personally, but I'm saying, but yeah,

694
00:39:13.559 --> 00:39:15.480
<v Speaker 3>we can send a technology on something.

695
00:39:15.639 --> 00:39:18.960
<v Speaker 1>Yeah. Matter of fact, during this blackout when Mars isn't

696
00:39:18.960 --> 00:39:23.039
<v Speaker 1>releasing anything, NASA doesn't releasing anything, the Mars rover did

697
00:39:23.159 --> 00:39:26.360
<v Speaker 1>pick up photos of three I at LIS. Cool and

698
00:39:27.000 --> 00:39:30.039
<v Speaker 1>it's not exactly a live feed, yeah, because you can't

699
00:39:30.079 --> 00:39:32.960
<v Speaker 1>have it real time. It's not a real time feed, right,

700
00:39:33.280 --> 00:39:35.280
<v Speaker 1>It's a live feed, not a real time feed, if

701
00:39:35.320 --> 00:39:38.599
<v Speaker 1>that makes sense. There's a delay, yes, and soon as

702
00:39:38.639 --> 00:39:41.079
<v Speaker 1>an astronomers could, I could log into it right now

703
00:39:41.360 --> 00:39:43.199
<v Speaker 1>and see these photos as they're coming in from the

704
00:39:43.239 --> 00:39:46.679
<v Speaker 1>Mars rover. I forgot what the timing is, but it

705
00:39:46.840 --> 00:39:48.960
<v Speaker 1>was pointed up to the sky at that point when

706
00:39:49.000 --> 00:39:50.840
<v Speaker 1>it was supposed to pass Mars, and there is photos

707
00:39:50.880 --> 00:39:54.159
<v Speaker 1>of it, but it's a fucking speck of dust. Like you, Yeah,

708
00:39:54.280 --> 00:39:56.480
<v Speaker 1>that's not what four, that's not what the Mars rovers for. Yes,

709
00:39:56.639 --> 00:39:59.159
<v Speaker 1>But so to your point, yeah, we have stuff on

710
00:39:59.239 --> 00:40:01.679
<v Speaker 1>Mars captured this, even though it's a shitty photograph.

711
00:40:01.760 --> 00:40:04.559
<v Speaker 3>But I mean, we could definitely calculate when the best

712
00:40:04.599 --> 00:40:07.000
<v Speaker 3>time for it'll reach by us, the best window to

713
00:40:07.079 --> 00:40:09.199
<v Speaker 3>throw something at it so it get attached to ideally.

714
00:40:09.679 --> 00:40:13.599
<v Speaker 1>Fuck dude, maybe we did that two months ago and

715
00:40:13.800 --> 00:40:16.440
<v Speaker 1>we found something out, and that's why all these military

716
00:40:16.920 --> 00:40:18.000
<v Speaker 1>personnel were called to.

717
00:40:18.159 --> 00:40:20.519
<v Speaker 3>Well that's the other thing is I wonder what why

718
00:40:20.599 --> 00:40:23.840
<v Speaker 3>are people thinking that we're involved at all? Like either

719
00:40:24.920 --> 00:40:27.559
<v Speaker 3>this has happened before in this conspiracy, I mean, and

720
00:40:27.679 --> 00:40:29.920
<v Speaker 3>if I'm going with it, like the shutdown is because

721
00:40:29.920 --> 00:40:32.119
<v Speaker 3>they know what it is. That means that we've encountered

722
00:40:32.199 --> 00:40:34.239
<v Speaker 3>this before in general, So like, how would we know

723
00:40:34.320 --> 00:40:36.719
<v Speaker 3>about this it's not random, then it's on purpose. And

724
00:40:36.719 --> 00:40:38.880
<v Speaker 3>if it's on purpose, what is feel like there's a

725
00:40:38.960 --> 00:40:40.800
<v Speaker 3>rabbit hole of like you have to go through a

726
00:40:40.840 --> 00:40:42.800
<v Speaker 3>lot of hurdles to believe that one, which is why

727
00:40:42.800 --> 00:40:45.440
<v Speaker 3>I don't think it's true. I think it's just a coincidence.

728
00:40:46.239 --> 00:40:50.960
<v Speaker 3>But in general, though, we have been getting more quote

729
00:40:51.039 --> 00:40:55.119
<v Speaker 3>unquote more declassification on alien shit in general anyway, Yeah,

730
00:40:55.519 --> 00:40:59.000
<v Speaker 3>so much more than the rest of our lives. Like

731
00:40:59.119 --> 00:41:01.000
<v Speaker 3>in the last five years, we've gotten more than the

732
00:41:01.079 --> 00:41:03.320
<v Speaker 3>rest of our lives we've ever got, you know, or

733
00:41:03.440 --> 00:41:04.960
<v Speaker 3>our lives up to that point, our lives up to

734
00:41:05.039 --> 00:41:05.320
<v Speaker 3>that point.

735
00:41:05.400 --> 00:41:07.559
<v Speaker 1>Yeah, yes, hopefully the rest of our lives will get

736
00:41:07.599 --> 00:41:09.320
<v Speaker 1>full disclosure and we'll see these fuckers I.

737
00:41:09.360 --> 00:41:11.239
<v Speaker 3>Mean behind us. But yeah, yeah, you're right, Yes, you

738
00:41:11.320 --> 00:41:15.320
<v Speaker 3>said it better. Yeah, so I don't know. It could be.

739
00:41:15.519 --> 00:41:18.239
<v Speaker 3>I mean, that'd be cool, but I don't. We're not that,

740
00:41:19.199 --> 00:41:22.880
<v Speaker 3>we're not that we're not at all that organized.

741
00:41:25.039 --> 00:41:25.320
<v Speaker 2>We're not.

742
00:41:25.920 --> 00:41:27.280
<v Speaker 1>I hate to say it, but you're right.

743
00:41:27.320 --> 00:41:29.400
<v Speaker 3>It's a cool movie, but it's not a reality.

744
00:41:31.000 --> 00:41:33.760
<v Speaker 1>Well, what we do know is that the one thing

745
00:41:33.840 --> 00:41:36.320
<v Speaker 1>we know is that three i at lists won't stay.

746
00:41:37.079 --> 00:41:40.239
<v Speaker 1>It'll pass near our sun, then continue its journey back

747
00:41:40.280 --> 00:41:44.360
<v Speaker 1>out into an interstellar space, never to return. We hope

748
00:41:44.440 --> 00:41:46.639
<v Speaker 1>instruments will be able to photograph it as it makes

749
00:41:46.679 --> 00:41:52.079
<v Speaker 1>its journey through our photo photo solar system, but our

750
00:41:52.119 --> 00:41:54.679
<v Speaker 1>window to study three iye at lists is painfully short.

751
00:41:55.519 --> 00:41:59.159
<v Speaker 1>Future telescopes and instruments, especially those that can analyze infrared

752
00:41:59.199 --> 00:42:01.880
<v Speaker 1>and ultra violet life, may be able to provide new

753
00:42:01.920 --> 00:42:04.679
<v Speaker 1>insights into its chemistry and structure, but we just don't

754
00:42:04.719 --> 00:42:08.840
<v Speaker 1>know yet. Some scientists even speculate that interstellar objects light

755
00:42:09.079 --> 00:42:12.639
<v Speaker 1>three iye at lists could play a role in planet formation,

756
00:42:13.400 --> 00:42:17.280
<v Speaker 1>acting as seeds for new solar systems by providing building

757
00:42:17.360 --> 00:42:22.039
<v Speaker 1>blocks in those proto planetary discs. Maybe something like this

758
00:42:22.199 --> 00:42:26.639
<v Speaker 1>seeded our own solar system. Who's to say in the end,

759
00:42:26.920 --> 00:42:34.079
<v Speaker 1>three I Atlas. It's yeah, exactly seeds universes. But you

760
00:42:34.119 --> 00:42:36.039
<v Speaker 1>know in the end three A Atlas, it's not just

761
00:42:36.079 --> 00:42:39.840
<v Speaker 1>another visitor from deep space. It challenges our understanding of comets,

762
00:42:40.280 --> 00:42:44.719
<v Speaker 1>interstellar travel, and even the possibility of artificial origins aliens,

763
00:42:45.719 --> 00:42:48.599
<v Speaker 1>whether natural or not. It offers a rare and fleeting

764
00:42:48.639 --> 00:42:54.360
<v Speaker 1>glimpse into the wider galaxy beyond our sun. Soon Comet

765
00:42:54.440 --> 00:42:56.079
<v Speaker 1>three I at lists will leave us with nothing but

766
00:42:56.239 --> 00:43:01.119
<v Speaker 1>unanswered questions and speculative wonder Is it a silent messenger

767
00:43:01.199 --> 00:43:04.840
<v Speaker 1>from an ancient star system or something artificially crafted with

768
00:43:04.920 --> 00:43:08.599
<v Speaker 1>a purpose As it fades in the darkness between the stars.

769
00:43:09.159 --> 00:43:13.360
<v Speaker 1>One truth remains we may never know what secrets it carried,

770
00:43:14.039 --> 00:43:15.960
<v Speaker 1>or if it was watching us as closely as we

771
00:43:16.039 --> 00:43:20.280
<v Speaker 1>were watching it, or think of it this way. Sometime

772
00:43:20.360 --> 00:43:23.039
<v Speaker 1>between now, when you're listening to this in mid December,

773
00:43:23.639 --> 00:43:26.320
<v Speaker 1>we may finally know if we're alone in the universe

774
00:43:26.679 --> 00:43:29.519
<v Speaker 1>or not. An I for one am ready.

775
00:43:30.880 --> 00:43:31.199
<v Speaker 3>Me too.

776
00:43:31.960 --> 00:43:34.239
<v Speaker 1>Three I Atlas the strange visitor.

777
00:43:35.039 --> 00:43:38.400
<v Speaker 3>How many scientists are pissed off, especially on this occasion,

778
00:43:38.519 --> 00:43:41.920
<v Speaker 3>with this specific three eye Atlas comment. How many of

779
00:43:41.920 --> 00:43:43.920
<v Speaker 3>them are pissed off today that were like, if we

780
00:43:44.119 --> 00:43:49.039
<v Speaker 3>just stuck to like focusing on space stuff, we would

781
00:43:49.079 --> 00:43:52.079
<v Speaker 3>have had way more technology to deal with this thing

782
00:43:52.199 --> 00:43:55.320
<v Speaker 3>right now? Like, how many of them lament the fact that,

783
00:43:55.719 --> 00:43:58.559
<v Speaker 3>you know, a lot of space, a lot of our

784
00:43:58.639 --> 00:44:01.280
<v Speaker 3>exploration of space has been stifled over the last but

785
00:44:01.480 --> 00:44:04.519
<v Speaker 3>forty fifty years or whatever. Yeah, probably, Like how many

786
00:44:04.559 --> 00:44:06.880
<v Speaker 3>of them regret, Like if we just continued on that progress,

787
00:44:06.960 --> 00:44:10.400
<v Speaker 3>we would have this day, we could have could have

788
00:44:10.519 --> 00:44:12.719
<v Speaker 3>caught it. There is you know, it's funny, there is.

789
00:44:13.920 --> 00:44:14.079
<v Speaker 1>Uh.

790
00:44:14.440 --> 00:44:15.960
<v Speaker 3>It was in that show for All Mankind.

791
00:44:16.320 --> 00:44:17.239
<v Speaker 1>Oh, I love that show Man.

792
00:44:17.239 --> 00:44:20.239
<v Speaker 3>Remember there's a whole there's a whole thing with the comet.

793
00:44:20.280 --> 00:44:21.960
<v Speaker 3>They're trying to grab a comment.

794
00:44:22.000 --> 00:44:25.440
<v Speaker 1>Right because it's worth trillions and they Yeah, that's like.

795
00:44:25.599 --> 00:44:28.719
<v Speaker 3>That's a future where they continued space travel to be

796
00:44:28.880 --> 00:44:29.599
<v Speaker 3>able to do that.

797
00:44:29.880 --> 00:44:30.239
<v Speaker 1>That's right.

798
00:44:30.400 --> 00:44:32.320
<v Speaker 3>That was cool. It kind of feels like this, But

799
00:44:32.400 --> 00:44:33.000
<v Speaker 3>I love that show.

800
00:44:33.119 --> 00:44:33.760
<v Speaker 1>Wasn't it coming back?

801
00:44:33.960 --> 00:44:35.599
<v Speaker 3>There was another season? I don't know one.

802
00:44:35.679 --> 00:44:39.280
<v Speaker 1>Thank god. It's a great show for all mankind listeners,

803
00:44:39.320 --> 00:44:44.519
<v Speaker 1>Apple TV. So I hope you liked that story, listeners,

804
00:44:44.599 --> 00:44:47.599
<v Speaker 1>I hope you liked, uh the three story. I have

805
00:44:47.639 --> 00:44:51.840
<v Speaker 1>another one, obviously, I have three this one's This one's dark, dude,

806
00:44:52.039 --> 00:44:57.440
<v Speaker 1>this one's dark. It's still questionable. Okay, there's a lot

807
00:44:57.480 --> 00:44:59.599
<v Speaker 1>of proof for it. There's a lot of a lot

808
00:44:59.639 --> 00:45:02.599
<v Speaker 1>of argum and said, this is real. Okay. Have you

809
00:45:02.679 --> 00:45:08.480
<v Speaker 1>ever seen the movie the Hostile series? Unfortunately hostile franchise.

810
00:45:08.519 --> 00:45:10.480
<v Speaker 1>I love like the first two thought they're great.

811
00:45:10.519 --> 00:45:12.400
<v Speaker 3>I like the second one. I hate it the first one.

812
00:45:12.679 --> 00:45:14.239
<v Speaker 3>There's only two, there are three.

813
00:45:14.440 --> 00:45:17.000
<v Speaker 1>No, no, it could be wrong.

814
00:45:17.079 --> 00:45:18.360
<v Speaker 3>No, it's fine, I could be wrong.

815
00:45:18.599 --> 00:45:20.559
<v Speaker 1>I like them both. Then I liked. I like the movies.

816
00:45:20.599 --> 00:45:26.559
<v Speaker 1>They're fun, they're disgusting. But that the premise, the premise

817
00:45:26.679 --> 00:45:28.400
<v Speaker 1>is cool, right, what is the premise?

818
00:45:28.719 --> 00:45:31.079
<v Speaker 3>The premise is that and this is becoming much more

819
00:45:31.760 --> 00:45:34.119
<v Speaker 3>like it feels like more smart too nowadays. But Epstein

820
00:45:34.159 --> 00:45:37.320
<v Speaker 3>File and things like that, is that rich people get

821
00:45:37.400 --> 00:45:40.960
<v Speaker 3>so rich and bored that in this premise, what country

822
00:45:41.000 --> 00:45:43.960
<v Speaker 3>are in so Mania or Ukraine or Bosnia?

823
00:45:44.079 --> 00:45:45.719
<v Speaker 1>Something I always say, Broadislava.

824
00:45:45.920 --> 00:45:46.920
<v Speaker 3>Oh it's a made up thing.

825
00:45:47.159 --> 00:45:49.599
<v Speaker 1>I don't know, and maybe I should have known that before.

826
00:45:49.679 --> 00:45:54.239
<v Speaker 3>But in European country with very like lax laws, they

827
00:45:55.400 --> 00:45:59.440
<v Speaker 3>like you know, adorned this like tradition where rich people

828
00:45:59.519 --> 00:46:02.000
<v Speaker 3>can come for a service for a hefty feet and

829
00:46:02.039 --> 00:46:04.559
<v Speaker 3>shred service where you can kill people in the way

830
00:46:04.599 --> 00:46:08.559
<v Speaker 3>that you want for a price, kill for a price

831
00:46:09.000 --> 00:46:11.480
<v Speaker 3>for this before we think of the most Dangerous game,

832
00:46:11.639 --> 00:46:14.639
<v Speaker 3>it's like the old version of this that is a movie. No,

833
00:46:14.800 --> 00:46:17.719
<v Speaker 3>the short story. It's also been made into many movies. Okay, okay,

834
00:46:17.960 --> 00:46:18.960
<v Speaker 3>you never right.

835
00:46:19.159 --> 00:46:20.239
<v Speaker 1>It sounds super familiar.

836
00:46:20.360 --> 00:46:22.159
<v Speaker 3>Yeah, it's a I forget who wrote it. Someone out

837
00:46:22.159 --> 00:46:24.920
<v Speaker 3>there's yelling at the screen. That's screen doesn't TP and

838
00:46:25.000 --> 00:46:27.760
<v Speaker 3>so mikes. The Most Dangerous Game is about this guy

839
00:46:27.920 --> 00:46:30.199
<v Speaker 3>who shipwrecks on the island. And this guy owns this island.

840
00:46:30.239 --> 00:46:31.719
<v Speaker 3>This rich guy owns an island. He has like a

841
00:46:31.800 --> 00:46:35.239
<v Speaker 3>butler and his favorite thing to do, he's hunted all

842
00:46:35.320 --> 00:46:38.719
<v Speaker 3>animals on earth at lions Gazelle's the ultimate animal. The

843
00:46:38.800 --> 00:46:41.119
<v Speaker 3>ultimate animal is man. So every time someone shipwrecks to

844
00:46:41.159 --> 00:46:43.480
<v Speaker 3>his island, he uses as an excuse to hunt them down,

845
00:46:43.639 --> 00:46:46.320
<v Speaker 3>and he tells them in advance, I'm gonna hunt you run.

846
00:46:46.960 --> 00:46:49.079
<v Speaker 3>And that's his that's the most dangerous game. And that's

847
00:46:49.199 --> 00:46:52.639
<v Speaker 3>what he gets his rocks off. That's what makes that's

848
00:46:52.679 --> 00:46:55.320
<v Speaker 3>what that's how he gets fun. And that's what this

849
00:46:55.519 --> 00:46:58.039
<v Speaker 3>is a costal as an evolutionary movie version of that.

850
00:46:58.440 --> 00:47:01.320
<v Speaker 1>Absolutely the way you described it. Yes, that's exactly right.

851
00:47:02.519 --> 00:47:05.239
<v Speaker 3>So you have a story like that, right, the idea

852
00:47:05.559 --> 00:47:07.280
<v Speaker 3>that that's not fun.

853
00:47:07.679 --> 00:47:09.519
<v Speaker 1>This is not fun. No, it is not fun. Asking

854
00:47:09.559 --> 00:47:13.000
<v Speaker 1>you're correct, the idea that they are so rich. But

855
00:47:13.119 --> 00:47:15.480
<v Speaker 1>when you're so bored or whatever that you only want

856
00:47:15.599 --> 00:47:18.599
<v Speaker 1>something that cash could buy, that money could buy. That's

857
00:47:18.639 --> 00:47:21.760
<v Speaker 1>what you want. You're chasing that dragon, something that I

858
00:47:21.880 --> 00:47:23.000
<v Speaker 1>can only get with money.

859
00:47:23.079 --> 00:47:25.599
<v Speaker 3>And now we have chillionaires, so yes, you have what.

860
00:47:25.719 --> 00:47:27.119
<v Speaker 3>I'm sorry, we're getting chillionaire.

861
00:47:29.400 --> 00:47:33.000
<v Speaker 1>So on that note, I love Hostile and the most

862
00:47:33.119 --> 00:47:33.800
<v Speaker 1>Dangerous game.

863
00:47:33.840 --> 00:47:35.199
<v Speaker 3>I think I feel I want to be so mad

864
00:47:35.239 --> 00:47:36.039
<v Speaker 3>when I hear the story.

865
00:47:36.599 --> 00:47:41.480
<v Speaker 1>Well, let's hope, let's hope that this isn't real. Okay,

866
00:47:42.199 --> 00:47:45.400
<v Speaker 1>I call this one human hunting parties.

867
00:47:46.559 --> 00:47:51.400
<v Speaker 3>HHP, get your.

868
00:47:51.400 --> 00:47:55.280
<v Speaker 1>Jokes out now because it's kind of dark. Sorry, human

869
00:47:55.360 --> 00:47:59.760
<v Speaker 1>hunting parties. So back in the early nineties, now, go ahead,

870
00:48:00.119 --> 00:48:02.920
<v Speaker 1>certain certain your jokes here, Oscar. I'll wait, you were

871
00:48:03.000 --> 00:48:09.199
<v Speaker 1>like forty right, we're talking between like ninety two and

872
00:48:09.360 --> 00:48:12.639
<v Speaker 1>ninety six for this story. Okay, ninety five. I graduated

873
00:48:12.679 --> 00:48:15.519
<v Speaker 1>from high school ninety one I graduated from grammar school.

874
00:48:16.639 --> 00:48:20.480
<v Speaker 1>So we're talking about the Bosnian War ninety two to

875
00:48:20.760 --> 00:48:23.559
<v Speaker 1>ninety five, some people say ninety six, and I remember

876
00:48:23.639 --> 00:48:26.559
<v Speaker 1>this as a kid, and you know, I'm I'm young,

877
00:48:26.639 --> 00:48:29.199
<v Speaker 1>I'm stupid, I'm ignorant. You know. I was always mad

878
00:48:29.960 --> 00:48:34.239
<v Speaker 1>that coverage of this, you know, would ruin my cartoon

879
00:48:34.360 --> 00:48:37.559
<v Speaker 1>watching or might I hated you know, yeah that and

880
00:48:37.599 --> 00:48:40.360
<v Speaker 1>I remember the Iran contra with Ali North.

881
00:48:40.639 --> 00:48:42.159
<v Speaker 3>Oh yeah, yeah.

882
00:48:42.440 --> 00:48:44.079
<v Speaker 1>I would always get so fucking pissed.

883
00:48:44.119 --> 00:48:47.440
<v Speaker 3>So we're doing Mighty Mouse or something, Yeah, I get

884
00:48:47.440 --> 00:48:48.239
<v Speaker 3>over my cartoons.

885
00:48:48.840 --> 00:48:50.199
<v Speaker 1>So that's what we're talking about. We're talking about the

886
00:48:50.199 --> 00:48:53.079
<v Speaker 1>Bosnian War. And I didn't realize back then, as a stupid,

887
00:48:53.320 --> 00:48:58.719
<v Speaker 1>ignorant child, how bad this war was. Okay, this was

888
00:48:59.159 --> 00:49:02.039
<v Speaker 1>some history for people who don't know. This was a

889
00:49:02.239 --> 00:49:07.400
<v Speaker 1>horrible conflict that erupted after Bosnia and Herzegovina declared independence

890
00:49:07.440 --> 00:49:13.400
<v Speaker 1>from Yugoslavia, sparking violence among its three main ethnic groups.

891
00:49:14.079 --> 00:49:18.880
<v Speaker 1>We had the Bosniaks Muslims, the Croats Catholics, and the

892
00:49:19.000 --> 00:49:25.960
<v Speaker 1>Serbs Orthodox Christians. Fueled by competing nationalist ambitions, the war

893
00:49:26.119 --> 00:49:30.519
<v Speaker 1>saw Bosnian Serb forces backed by Serbia, attempt to create

894
00:49:30.679 --> 00:49:36.280
<v Speaker 1>ethnically homogeneous territories through campaigns of ethnic cleansing, mass killings,

895
00:49:36.880 --> 00:49:40.679
<v Speaker 1>and the siege of cities like Sarajevo, the capital of Bosnia.

896
00:49:41.920 --> 00:49:46.599
<v Speaker 3>Oh yes, I saw that movie Welcome to Sarajevo. That's

897
00:49:46.679 --> 00:49:47.400
<v Speaker 3>what it's about.

898
00:49:47.840 --> 00:49:49.039
<v Speaker 1>I remember that movie.

899
00:49:49.119 --> 00:49:52.920
<v Speaker 3>It's a movie starring that girl from my cousin, Benny

900
00:49:53.280 --> 00:49:58.079
<v Speaker 3>what's her name? And Woody House and I think, oh,

901
00:49:58.159 --> 00:50:00.000
<v Speaker 3>no shit, yeah, yeah, I saw that movie.

902
00:50:00.079 --> 00:50:01.840
<v Speaker 1>I remember the title. I don't think I've ever seen it.

903
00:50:02.760 --> 00:50:05.000
<v Speaker 3>Yeah, well, we were definitely, I mean I was. I

904
00:50:05.119 --> 00:50:07.480
<v Speaker 3>was an old person with movies from the from a

905
00:50:07.599 --> 00:50:09.639
<v Speaker 3>young age, I saw lots of movies. I didn't I

906
00:50:09.840 --> 00:50:11.800
<v Speaker 3>didn't know what was happening, but osto, you want to

907
00:50:11.920 --> 00:50:13.679
<v Speaker 3>know what the fuck was happening. But I would see

908
00:50:13.719 --> 00:50:15.440
<v Speaker 3>these movies and that was one of them, and I

909
00:50:15.480 --> 00:50:17.000
<v Speaker 3>had knowdea what was going on. But I remember the movie,

910
00:50:17.159 --> 00:50:18.719
<v Speaker 3>got it. So I also the moms even like the

911
00:50:18.800 --> 00:50:21.480
<v Speaker 3>Ramandan problem, like the whole thing there with the ethnic cleansing.

912
00:50:21.559 --> 00:50:22.639
<v Speaker 1>Yeah had it?

913
00:50:22.719 --> 00:50:24.400
<v Speaker 3>So, yeah, that's happened sometimes.

914
00:50:25.159 --> 00:50:31.320
<v Speaker 1>Yeah. Unfortunately, now Bosnian Croats, supported by Croatia, pursued their

915
00:50:31.360 --> 00:50:35.639
<v Speaker 1>own territorial goals. Well, Bosniaks fought to preserve a unified,

916
00:50:36.159 --> 00:50:41.599
<v Speaker 1>multi ethnic Bosnia. Over three years, one hundred thousand Bosnians

917
00:50:41.639 --> 00:50:45.360
<v Speaker 1>lost lost their lives, mostly Muslims, and what's described as

918
00:50:45.400 --> 00:50:50.280
<v Speaker 1>the biggest ethnically motivated genocide in Europe since the fucking Holocaust.

919
00:50:51.320 --> 00:50:53.559
<v Speaker 1>That's how bad this was. And I was worried about cartoons,

920
00:50:53.599 --> 00:50:53.719
<v Speaker 1>you know.

921
00:50:54.159 --> 00:50:54.360
<v Speaker 3>Yeah.

922
00:50:54.440 --> 00:50:58.400
<v Speaker 1>Fuck now. The siege on Sarajevo lasted four years, the

923
00:50:58.519 --> 00:51:01.960
<v Speaker 1>longest siege on a capital set and modern warfare history. Actually,

924
00:51:03.039 --> 00:51:07.880
<v Speaker 1>the war caused, obviously, mass displacement and atrocities like the

925
00:51:08.000 --> 00:51:11.840
<v Speaker 1>July nineteen ninety five genocidal killing of more than eight

926
00:51:11.920 --> 00:51:15.920
<v Speaker 1>thousand Bosniac Muslim men and boys in and around the

927
00:51:16.039 --> 00:51:21.239
<v Speaker 1>tard of Srebenica known as the Serbenica massacre, before ending

928
00:51:21.360 --> 00:51:24.760
<v Speaker 1>with the US broker Dayton peace agreement in nineteen ninety five.

929
00:51:25.639 --> 00:51:26.480
<v Speaker 1>Just a little bit of history.

930
00:51:26.639 --> 00:51:29.039
<v Speaker 3>Yeah, yeah, no, it's good now.

931
00:51:29.119 --> 00:51:32.280
<v Speaker 1>One of the most horrific aspects of the war was

932
00:51:32.400 --> 00:51:38.000
<v Speaker 1>the Bosnian Serb sniper campaign against civilians, un personnel, and

933
00:51:38.159 --> 00:51:43.119
<v Speaker 1>rescuers in Sarajevo. No one was fucking saved. The city's

934
00:51:43.159 --> 00:51:47.400
<v Speaker 1>main boulevard once this vibrant hub of daily life became

935
00:51:47.519 --> 00:51:52.679
<v Speaker 1>notoriously known as sniper Alley, or anyone who crossed risk

936
00:51:52.840 --> 00:51:56.280
<v Speaker 1>death from marksmen positioned in the surrounding hills and high

937
00:51:56.360 --> 00:52:02.239
<v Speaker 1>rise buildings or buildings in general tall structures. Right. According

938
00:52:02.320 --> 00:52:08.159
<v Speaker 1>to UN findings, snipers deliberately targeted civilians, including children, with

939
00:52:08.320 --> 00:52:12.199
<v Speaker 1>precision shots to the head, eyes, or heart clear as

940
00:52:12.320 --> 00:52:16.159
<v Speaker 1>evidence of intent to kill or maim. Reports indicate that

941
00:52:16.320 --> 00:52:19.880
<v Speaker 1>during the siege, two hundred and twenty five people, including

942
00:52:20.079 --> 00:52:23.400
<v Speaker 1>sixty children, were killed and more than a thousand were

943
00:52:23.440 --> 00:52:28.840
<v Speaker 1>wounded by sniper fire. And you know, just when you

944
00:52:28.960 --> 00:52:31.840
<v Speaker 1>think something is as bad as it could possibly get,

945
00:52:32.119 --> 00:52:35.760
<v Speaker 1>can't get any worse, leave it to men to surprise

946
00:52:35.880 --> 00:52:42.079
<v Speaker 1>us with even deeper levels of depravity see Credible Journalists.

947
00:52:42.639 --> 00:52:47.159
<v Speaker 1>Eyewitness reports and a recent documentary alleged that during the

948
00:52:47.199 --> 00:52:52.119
<v Speaker 1>Serbian War, wealthy foreigners paid huge sum of money sums

949
00:52:52.159 --> 00:52:56.840
<v Speaker 1>of money to Bosnian Serb forces to visit Serb held

950
00:52:56.880 --> 00:53:01.119
<v Speaker 1>sniper positions overlooking Sarajevo so the foreign could shoot at

951
00:53:01.199 --> 00:53:06.280
<v Speaker 1>civilians for sport in what's been called human hunting parties,

952
00:53:07.039 --> 00:53:12.239
<v Speaker 1>tourist shooters, sniper tourism, and I hate this one man hunting,

953
00:53:13.920 --> 00:53:17.599
<v Speaker 1>I mean, how depraved and black can the human heart

954
00:53:17.679 --> 00:53:22.519
<v Speaker 1>get now? Reports placed these horrific events during the Siege

955
00:53:22.559 --> 00:53:26.000
<v Speaker 1>of Sarajevo, which took place between ninety two and ninety six,

956
00:53:26.880 --> 00:53:30.280
<v Speaker 1>with most accounts saying that the human hunting parties happened

957
00:53:30.320 --> 00:53:33.599
<v Speaker 1>early in the war and continued throughout parts of nineteen

958
00:53:33.679 --> 00:53:39.000
<v Speaker 1>ninety two through nineteen ninety four. The strongest public evidence

959
00:53:39.079 --> 00:53:43.280
<v Speaker 1>of these paid atrocities came from investigative reports and eyewitness

960
00:53:43.360 --> 00:53:47.440
<v Speaker 1>testimony given on February twenty second, two thousand and seven

961
00:53:48.039 --> 00:53:52.559
<v Speaker 1>before the International Crime Tribunal for the Former Yugoslavia or

962
00:53:52.639 --> 00:53:57.840
<v Speaker 1>the ICTY at the Hague. An additional testimony in Mirn

963
00:53:58.000 --> 00:54:05.639
<v Speaker 1>Zupanic's twenty twenty two document called Sarajevo Safari. But sadly,

964
00:54:06.119 --> 00:54:11.119
<v Speaker 1>there are no widely published court verified lists of precisely

965
00:54:11.280 --> 00:54:16.679
<v Speaker 1>named foreign participants or solid forensic proof tying specific foreign

966
00:54:16.760 --> 00:54:21.079
<v Speaker 1>individuals to documented murders that resulted in any sort of

967
00:54:21.159 --> 00:54:27.400
<v Speaker 1>criminal convictions. In other words, despite intensive investigative journalism and

968
00:54:27.719 --> 00:54:32.679
<v Speaker 1>very credible eyewitness accounts, publicly there's no known proof linking

969
00:54:32.840 --> 00:54:40.519
<v Speaker 1>specific wealthy individuals to specific sniper murders. Yet authorities are

970
00:54:40.639 --> 00:54:44.239
<v Speaker 1>just now starting to look seriously at these claims. Who

971
00:54:44.320 --> 00:54:49.159
<v Speaker 1>knows what they're going to uncover. So let's take a

972
00:54:49.239 --> 00:54:53.400
<v Speaker 1>look at some of the accounts detailing these human hunting parties.

973
00:54:55.119 --> 00:55:00.400
<v Speaker 1>In Marion Zappanich's documentary Sarajevo Safari, many eyewitnesses has come

974
00:55:00.480 --> 00:55:04.119
<v Speaker 1>forward to tell their story, some anonymous, which people have

975
00:55:04.199 --> 00:55:07.199
<v Speaker 1>a problem with, but some not who say they either

976
00:55:07.280 --> 00:55:12.679
<v Speaker 1>witness or investigated the phenomenon of sniper tourism and manhunting

977
00:55:12.800 --> 00:55:17.000
<v Speaker 1>by foreigners during the war Now the film. The documentary

978
00:55:17.079 --> 00:55:20.519
<v Speaker 1>relies heavily and at least one anonymous source the director

979
00:55:20.599 --> 00:55:24.280
<v Speaker 1>identifies as a former US Secret Service agent who traveled

980
00:55:24.280 --> 00:55:28.199
<v Speaker 1>to Sarajevo during the siege and claims firsthand knowledge of

981
00:55:28.360 --> 00:55:32.920
<v Speaker 1>foreigners being brought to Serbian sniper positions. The film also

982
00:55:33.000 --> 00:55:37.920
<v Speaker 1>interviews an unnamed Bosnian intelligence analyst, this unknown person, this

983
00:55:38.039 --> 00:55:41.280
<v Speaker 1>unnamed person, who says that their service learned about and

984
00:55:41.480 --> 00:55:46.440
<v Speaker 1>worked to stop these safaris. John Jordan, a former US

985
00:55:46.559 --> 00:55:51.639
<v Speaker 1>Marine and voluntary firefighter in Zarajevo, testified at ICTY again

986
00:55:51.760 --> 00:55:56.000
<v Speaker 1>that's the International Criminal Tribunal for the former Yugoslavia. He

987
00:55:56.159 --> 00:56:00.960
<v Speaker 1>testified that he Jordan saw quote individuals who fit that profile,

988
00:56:01.760 --> 00:56:05.599
<v Speaker 1>meaning people who look like outsiders. The way they look,

989
00:56:06.119 --> 00:56:10.039
<v Speaker 1>the way they wore their civilian slash military combination type clothing,

990
00:56:10.320 --> 00:56:12.679
<v Speaker 1>the way they acted, and the types of weapons they carried,

991
00:56:13.320 --> 00:56:17.639
<v Speaker 1>namely massive guns not side arms or rifles, but more

992
00:56:17.760 --> 00:56:21.000
<v Speaker 1>like guns used to heart hunt large wild boar in

993
00:56:21.039 --> 00:56:25.400
<v Speaker 1>the black forest, guns not fit for urban combat. All

994
00:56:25.480 --> 00:56:30.800
<v Speaker 1>these traits combined screamed outsider think of like rich weekend

995
00:56:30.880 --> 00:56:34.400
<v Speaker 1>Warriors being led around by bonafide Serbian snipers. They stuck

996
00:56:34.400 --> 00:56:35.320
<v Speaker 1>out like sore thumbs.

997
00:56:35.480 --> 00:56:37.599
<v Speaker 3>Yeah. Yeah, or like you know when they try to

998
00:56:37.639 --> 00:56:40.000
<v Speaker 3>do Mount Everest and the Shirpars look like they actually

999
00:56:40.000 --> 00:56:43.280
<v Speaker 3>live there, but nobody else. All the white guys are.

1000
00:56:45.400 --> 00:56:45.599
<v Speaker 2>Like that.

1001
00:56:47.679 --> 00:56:50.400
<v Speaker 1>Yeah. I also think it like, you know, if you

1002
00:56:50.480 --> 00:56:52.880
<v Speaker 1>go to like a biker rally or something, you could

1003
00:56:52.920 --> 00:56:56.880
<v Speaker 1>pick out the weekend Warrior Harley Riders from the one percenters.

1004
00:56:56.920 --> 00:56:57.960
<v Speaker 1>I mean, they stick out like fucks.

1005
00:56:57.960 --> 00:57:02.440
<v Speaker 3>So that's what like they recently retired guy exactly whatever, exactly, that's.

1006
00:57:02.320 --> 00:57:07.199
<v Speaker 1>What that's what this person. Oh fuck, what was his name, Jordan, Jordan?

1007
00:57:09.199 --> 00:57:09.840
<v Speaker 1>What was his name?

1008
00:57:10.000 --> 00:57:10.280
<v Speaker 3>Michael?

1009
00:57:11.440 --> 00:57:13.440
<v Speaker 1>I forgot what he called? Last name was Jordan. That's

1010
00:57:13.480 --> 00:57:15.599
<v Speaker 1>what he said. He saw people who clearly stuck out

1011
00:57:16.199 --> 00:57:18.840
<v Speaker 1>the way they dressed, the guns they carried, being led

1012
00:57:18.880 --> 00:57:22.480
<v Speaker 1>around by the nose by these bona fide Serbian forces.

1013
00:57:22.760 --> 00:57:28.760
<v Speaker 1>Crazy man, crazy, And where are these assholes, these rich tourists,

1014
00:57:28.800 --> 00:57:32.480
<v Speaker 1>these human hunters come from. Believe it or not, Italians

1015
00:57:32.760 --> 00:57:36.760
<v Speaker 1>are most often mentioned, with claims that three Italians admitted

1016
00:57:36.880 --> 00:57:41.320
<v Speaker 1>during a Serbian POW interrogation to have paid for access

1017
00:57:41.480 --> 00:57:44.920
<v Speaker 1>to sniper positions, and that a circle of wealthy Italians,

1018
00:57:45.440 --> 00:57:50.159
<v Speaker 1>particularly from the Treventito region by Venice and Verona, traveled

1019
00:57:50.199 --> 00:57:52.960
<v Speaker 1>to the front fighting lines in Sarajevo. Why would they

1020
00:57:53.000 --> 00:57:57.719
<v Speaker 1>do that? Russians are also repeatedly cited has taken part

1021
00:57:57.760 --> 00:58:01.400
<v Speaker 1>in these safaris, with reports suggest testing that Russian millionaires

1022
00:58:01.400 --> 00:58:05.119
<v Speaker 1>paid large sums of money for the chance to shoot civilians.

1023
00:58:06.639 --> 00:58:11.599
<v Speaker 1>In addition, some accounts include Canadians and even Americans among

1024
00:58:11.719 --> 00:58:15.800
<v Speaker 1>those alleged to have participated in these human hunting safaris.

1025
00:58:17.599 --> 00:58:19.760
<v Speaker 1>And really, if you think about it, the idea that

1026
00:58:19.880 --> 00:58:24.000
<v Speaker 1>these lower than scum individuals could be snuck into served

1027
00:58:24.039 --> 00:58:28.840
<v Speaker 1>sniper positions during this chaotic blood soak time and in

1028
00:58:28.920 --> 00:58:33.519
<v Speaker 1>this war torn environment is completely plausible and for large

1029
00:58:33.559 --> 00:58:37.519
<v Speaker 1>sums of money cash untraceable. Fuck. I could absolutely see

1030
00:58:37.559 --> 00:58:38.079
<v Speaker 1>this happening.

1031
00:58:38.199 --> 00:58:42.599
<v Speaker 3>I mean, there's the age where bearer bonds were often used,

1032
00:58:42.679 --> 00:58:46.480
<v Speaker 3>and they're supposed to be completely fucking you know sus

1033
00:58:46.639 --> 00:58:49.239
<v Speaker 3>like they don't have They're supposed to be honored no

1034
00:58:49.320 --> 00:58:51.760
<v Speaker 3>matter by just only by the person who carries them,

1035
00:58:52.239 --> 00:58:54.760
<v Speaker 3>like there is no traceable. That's why barbonds were always

1036
00:58:54.760 --> 00:58:58.360
<v Speaker 3>in and crime movies and stuff as a way to

1037
00:58:58.440 --> 00:59:01.840
<v Speaker 3>trade with thieves and qui nice because it was very

1038
00:59:01.960 --> 00:59:05.079
<v Speaker 3>reliable and they were always honored by the banks because

1039
00:59:05.079 --> 00:59:07.159
<v Speaker 3>as long as you had it doesn't matter who, Like

1040
00:59:07.239 --> 00:59:10.199
<v Speaker 3>there's no fingerprinter, who owned it previously? Where did you

1041
00:59:10.280 --> 00:59:10.880
<v Speaker 3>get it from?

1042
00:59:10.960 --> 00:59:13.440
<v Speaker 1>You know, so you know you know that is today,

1043
00:59:13.719 --> 00:59:15.000
<v Speaker 1>so it was cash during.

1044
00:59:15.559 --> 00:59:17.360
<v Speaker 3>He's not doing cryptocurcy bitcoin.

1045
00:59:17.480 --> 00:59:20.000
<v Speaker 1>Yeah, like that, I can totally see this shit happening,

1046
00:59:20.800 --> 00:59:21.519
<v Speaker 1>which is horrible.

1047
00:59:21.519 --> 00:59:22.559
<v Speaker 3>I mean, we saw Red Rooms.

1048
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<v Speaker 1>Oh good movie. Who fuck that movie?

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00:59:25.320 --> 00:59:27.000
<v Speaker 3>Yeah, I mean I know that's not through the perspective

1050
00:59:27.039 --> 00:59:28.559
<v Speaker 3>of this kind of thing, but we're you're seeing that

1051
00:59:28.599 --> 00:59:31.119
<v Speaker 3>perspective through a seller, well through one of the buyers. Sure,

1052
00:59:31.199 --> 00:59:34.559
<v Speaker 3>but like but you can imagine those people in those

1053
00:59:34.599 --> 00:59:37.079
<v Speaker 3>auctions must be rich, have to be rich. I mean

1054
00:59:37.119 --> 00:59:39.920
<v Speaker 3>there's thousands of bitcoins, yeah, and one bitcoin that can

1055
00:59:40.000 --> 00:59:42.239
<v Speaker 3>never afford it. So yeah, that's a lot of bitcoin.

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00:59:42.280 --> 00:59:46.519
<v Speaker 3>It's a lot of money, all right now.

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<v Speaker 1>Witnesses say that foreign tourists who paid incredibly large sums

1058
00:59:50.679 --> 00:59:54.199
<v Speaker 1>of money were taken to Serb held sniper positions overlooking

1059
00:59:54.239 --> 00:59:59.639
<v Speaker 1>Sarajevo places like Mount Tribevitch, surrounding hills and in high

1060
00:59:59.719 --> 01:00:03.800
<v Speaker 1>rise buildings, positions from which snipers could easily fire into

1061
01:00:03.880 --> 01:00:08.559
<v Speaker 1>central Sarajevo into sniper alley, or innocent civilians walked or

1062
01:00:08.639 --> 01:00:14.119
<v Speaker 1>waited in breadlines, or children played. So basically, these rich

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01:00:14.199 --> 01:00:17.239
<v Speaker 1>cunts would pay Serbian forces to be taken to one

1064
01:00:17.280 --> 01:00:19.920
<v Speaker 1>of these sniper nests, where a gun would be loaded

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01:00:19.960 --> 01:00:22.880
<v Speaker 1>and then placed into the tourist's hand. All the tourists

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01:00:22.880 --> 01:00:24.960
<v Speaker 1>had to do was lock on and pull the trigger.

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01:00:26.239 --> 01:00:28.639
<v Speaker 1>And it said that the younger the target, the more

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01:00:28.679 --> 01:00:31.920
<v Speaker 1>money the tourists had to pay. We're talking children being

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01:00:32.000 --> 01:00:35.639
<v Speaker 1>targeted by high powered sniper rifles, rifles held by rich,

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01:00:36.079 --> 01:00:38.639
<v Speaker 1>bored assholes looking for an adrenaline rush.

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<v Speaker 3>I mean, when you have everything, what else can you

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01:00:42.480 --> 01:00:44.599
<v Speaker 3>get right. That's the whole notion of this, which is

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01:00:45.119 --> 01:00:48.760
<v Speaker 3>maybe a way to try to begin to maybe explain

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01:00:48.840 --> 01:00:51.239
<v Speaker 3>some behavior, but definitely doesn't excuse it by a while.

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01:00:51.719 --> 01:00:53.519
<v Speaker 3>And that's also reminds me of other story. I don't

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01:00:53.519 --> 01:00:54.639
<v Speaker 3>if there's a good part for me to add this,

1077
01:00:54.760 --> 01:00:57.599
<v Speaker 3>but it reminds you of another thing that I saw somewhere.

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01:00:58.440 --> 01:01:01.400
<v Speaker 3>So I don't have other details. That's why I went

1079
01:01:01.440 --> 01:01:03.239
<v Speaker 3>on my phone earlier. I was trying to find some details.

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01:01:03.280 --> 01:01:05.119
<v Speaker 3>But it's off to cough. I don't have anything ready

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01:01:05.119 --> 01:01:07.360
<v Speaker 3>for this all off the top of my head. But

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01:01:07.440 --> 01:01:10.559
<v Speaker 3>I one time saw a comedian in one of their

1083
01:01:10.599 --> 01:01:12.960
<v Speaker 3>podcasts talk about I'm try to remember it was that

1084
01:01:13.159 --> 01:01:17.800
<v Speaker 3>ball guy fat I'm sorry, yes it is.

1085
01:01:17.920 --> 01:01:18.719
<v Speaker 1>I hate that fucker.

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01:01:19.239 --> 01:01:20.800
<v Speaker 3>That's fine. I don't love him either, but I like

1087
01:01:20.880 --> 01:01:22.920
<v Speaker 3>his podcast and I just watch it on TikTok. I

1088
01:01:22.920 --> 01:01:25.159
<v Speaker 3>don't even listen to the whole thing. I'm just saying.

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01:01:25.519 --> 01:01:27.000
<v Speaker 3>I'm just saying he had nos to I'm saying he

1090
01:01:27.000 --> 01:01:30.199
<v Speaker 3>had knows me too, Okay. That's why that's why I'm

1091
01:01:30.199 --> 01:01:32.360
<v Speaker 3>mentioning that I have to defend it for myself because

1092
01:01:32.360 --> 01:01:36.880
<v Speaker 3>I also don't like them that much. Anyway, in one

1093
01:01:36.920 --> 01:01:38.800
<v Speaker 3>of them, he was talking to somebody he had a guess,

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01:01:38.800 --> 01:01:41.880
<v Speaker 3>I don't know who it was, and they were talking

1095
01:01:41.920 --> 01:01:45.239
<v Speaker 3>about how him. It might have been Tom. Also, they

1096
01:01:45.280 --> 01:01:48.920
<v Speaker 3>were on this cruise, not real cruise, but like one

1097
01:01:48.960 --> 01:01:53.719
<v Speaker 3>of these Russian outings on a boat somewhere obviously in

1098
01:01:53.960 --> 01:01:57.679
<v Speaker 3>international water. And if you pay, if you give an

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01:01:57.719 --> 01:01:59.880
<v Speaker 3>extra ten grand or something like that. It was like

1100
01:01:59.880 --> 01:02:02.480
<v Speaker 3>a charge. If you agree to this ten grand thing,

1101
01:02:03.079 --> 01:02:06.760
<v Speaker 3>you're given a rocket launcher. So if and if you

1102
01:02:06.840 --> 01:02:09.079
<v Speaker 3>see us some Miley pirate ship, you're you're you can

1103
01:02:09.199 --> 01:02:11.800
<v Speaker 3>shoot it at it. You can shoot them. Oh my

1104
01:02:11.960 --> 01:02:14.480
<v Speaker 3>good with the rocket launcher. Now that's well, here's the thing,

1105
01:02:14.559 --> 01:02:16.639
<v Speaker 3>is that double the way they said it is that

1106
01:02:17.679 --> 01:02:19.679
<v Speaker 3>you pay in advance. But if there's no ship, then

1107
01:02:19.719 --> 01:02:20.960
<v Speaker 3>you don't you know, that's it.

1108
01:02:21.079 --> 01:02:21.639
<v Speaker 1>You're still out.

1109
01:02:21.760 --> 01:02:24.039
<v Speaker 3>You're still out. But like, if you see one, then

1110
01:02:24.079 --> 01:02:26.320
<v Speaker 3>you have the ability to shoot at it. And that's

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01:02:26.360 --> 01:02:28.679
<v Speaker 3>what this reminds me. And I saw this like a

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01:02:28.760 --> 01:02:29.119
<v Speaker 3>month ago.

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01:02:29.519 --> 01:02:31.719
<v Speaker 1>To this that raises such I mean, like.

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01:02:32.159 --> 01:02:34.679
<v Speaker 3>Right, and the fact that it's international waters, which is

1115
01:02:34.760 --> 01:02:36.880
<v Speaker 3>ideally the only one of the very few places you

1116
01:02:36.920 --> 01:02:39.039
<v Speaker 3>can commit I guess crime and that's fine, but like

1117
01:02:39.239 --> 01:02:41.800
<v Speaker 3>it's still very really really shady and not good. And

1118
01:02:41.880 --> 01:02:44.559
<v Speaker 3>they were laughing it off. But if I was like

1119
01:02:44.599 --> 01:02:46.719
<v Speaker 3>stuck in that situation, not knowing this was gonna happen, yeah,

1120
01:02:46.800 --> 01:02:48.800
<v Speaker 3>might laugh at out so I can live. But I

1121
01:02:48.880 --> 01:02:51.840
<v Speaker 3>would never do that actively. I wouldn't never be on

1122
01:02:51.920 --> 01:02:53.159
<v Speaker 3>a ship both.

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01:02:52.960 --> 01:02:55.760
<v Speaker 1>You could do it, man, No, oh, they're pirates, they're

1124
01:02:55.760 --> 01:02:57.159
<v Speaker 1>bad people. I don't know if I could do it.

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01:02:57.280 --> 01:02:59.000
<v Speaker 3>I can't. I'll tell you I can't. You know, I

1126
01:02:59.280 --> 01:02:59.880
<v Speaker 3>don't need to think.

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01:03:00.039 --> 01:03:02.159
<v Speaker 1>But yeah, but that's I mean, it's the same fucking thing.

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01:03:03.960 --> 01:03:06.760
<v Speaker 1>Maritime law is some wild shit. I was trying to

1129
01:03:06.800 --> 01:03:10.559
<v Speaker 1>put together an episode one time on Cruise Ship Mysteries.

1130
01:03:10.639 --> 01:03:13.360
<v Speaker 1>You know, I love cruising, and a lot of fucked

1131
01:03:13.400 --> 01:03:16.360
<v Speaker 1>up shit goes on goes on on cruise ships. And

1132
01:03:16.519 --> 01:03:19.320
<v Speaker 1>no cruise ships, say, for one, is flagged here in

1133
01:03:19.360 --> 01:03:23.400
<v Speaker 1>the United States. They're all in different countries, and with

1134
01:03:23.599 --> 01:03:26.199
<v Speaker 1>the way they could play with laws minimum wage, it

1135
01:03:26.480 --> 01:03:31.239
<v Speaker 1>gets really shady gray. Yeah, so I did. I did

1136
01:03:31.320 --> 01:03:33.239
<v Speaker 1>quite a bit of research into maritime law, and it's

1137
01:03:33.679 --> 01:03:36.800
<v Speaker 1>it's out there. This stuff goes back thousand years. Some

1138
01:03:36.920 --> 01:03:39.920
<v Speaker 1>of these thoughts, you know, it's pretty interesting. But yeah,

1139
01:03:40.599 --> 01:03:43.400
<v Speaker 1>that's exactly what this is what you're talking about. That's this. Yeah,

1140
01:03:46.239 --> 01:03:49.280
<v Speaker 1>I want to kind of outline some cases of sniper

1141
01:03:49.400 --> 01:03:53.599
<v Speaker 1>deaths during this war believed to be caused by sniper tourism.

1142
01:03:54.599 --> 01:03:57.239
<v Speaker 1>But it's important to remember for nearly all the cases

1143
01:03:57.239 --> 01:04:00.840
<v Speaker 1>I'm about to talk about publicly available well as evidence

1144
01:04:00.960 --> 01:04:03.840
<v Speaker 1>does not prove the sniper who shot the victim was

1145
01:04:03.880 --> 01:04:08.039
<v Speaker 1>a foreign tourist paying to shoot civilians, even though again

1146
01:04:08.239 --> 01:04:13.159
<v Speaker 1>it is highly suspected. Now, there is absolutely one hundred

1147
01:04:13.239 --> 01:04:17.599
<v Speaker 1>percent real and abundant forensic and photographic evidence of sniper

1148
01:04:17.719 --> 01:04:22.039
<v Speaker 1>killings during the siege on Sarajevo that's given, yes, but

1149
01:04:22.159 --> 01:04:26.199
<v Speaker 1>evidence tying a specific shot or killing to a particular

1150
01:04:26.320 --> 01:04:30.719
<v Speaker 1>foreigner with chain of custody, evidence that doesn't exist to

1151
01:04:30.840 --> 01:04:35.920
<v Speaker 1>the public at this point. Okay, and these names, I'm

1152
01:04:36.000 --> 01:04:36.920
<v Speaker 1>sorry these names.

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01:04:37.280 --> 01:04:38.119
<v Speaker 3>Yeah, it's gonna be hard.

1154
01:04:38.280 --> 01:04:41.280
<v Speaker 1>I'm gonna try. But yeah, there's the case of Stana

1155
01:04:41.480 --> 01:04:44.840
<v Speaker 1>and Samir Sizzich. I hope I'm saying that right, who

1156
01:04:44.920 --> 01:04:48.119
<v Speaker 1>lost their one year old daughter, fucking one years old

1157
01:04:48.639 --> 01:04:52.920
<v Speaker 1>to a sniper shot. As shown in the documentary Serajevo Safari.

1158
01:04:53.920 --> 01:04:57.760
<v Speaker 1>The child was killed just days after her that first birthday. Now,

1159
01:04:57.840 --> 01:04:59.920
<v Speaker 1>this case is used in the film to illustrate house

1160
01:05:00.000 --> 01:05:04.239
<v Speaker 1>civilian families may have been victimized by sniper attacks, possibly

1161
01:05:04.320 --> 01:05:09.280
<v Speaker 1>involving foreign shooters. On May third, nineteen ninety five, during

1162
01:05:09.320 --> 01:05:14.559
<v Speaker 1>a ceasefire, Ammel Hodzich, aged sixteen, an older brother of

1163
01:05:14.719 --> 01:05:18.320
<v Speaker 1>Desmil Hodzich, was killed by a single bullet fired from

1164
01:05:18.360 --> 01:05:21.559
<v Speaker 1>a Serb sniper nest on a coat which was sitting

1165
01:05:21.599 --> 01:05:26.639
<v Speaker 1>on a cliff overlooking Sarajevo, Bosnia, and Herzegovina Emo was

1166
01:05:26.679 --> 01:05:29.880
<v Speaker 1>playing in the street after the ceasefire. It shouldn't have happened.

1167
01:05:30.079 --> 01:05:31.800
<v Speaker 1>None of these should have happened, But I mean right,

1168
01:05:32.920 --> 01:05:37.119
<v Speaker 1>and his younger brother, Desmil witnessed this incident. Now, while

1169
01:05:37.159 --> 01:05:40.880
<v Speaker 1>this is a document example of a child victim from

1170
01:05:41.000 --> 01:05:44.079
<v Speaker 1>sniper fire, it's not been proven beyond doubt to be

1171
01:05:44.159 --> 01:05:49.679
<v Speaker 1>part of sniper tourism, but it is suspected. In early

1172
01:05:49.719 --> 01:05:53.639
<v Speaker 1>August nineteen ninety two, a bus carrying fifty orphans was

1173
01:05:53.679 --> 01:05:57.719
<v Speaker 1>shot at by snipers while leaving Sarajevo along that sniper

1174
01:05:57.760 --> 01:06:03.599
<v Speaker 1>alley route. Two infants from sniper fire. Now, this tragic

1175
01:06:03.679 --> 01:06:08.400
<v Speaker 1>event demonstrates the danger's civilians, including young children babies, face

1176
01:06:08.559 --> 01:06:11.880
<v Speaker 1>during this siege, though there is no public evidence that

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01:06:12.000 --> 01:06:17.840
<v Speaker 1>a tourist shooter was involved, but again suspected. Now among

1178
01:06:18.400 --> 01:06:24.559
<v Speaker 1>more widely known adult civilian victims of snipers, Admira Ismich

1179
01:06:24.920 --> 01:06:29.440
<v Speaker 1>and Basco Burkitch, both in their mid twenties and known

1180
01:06:29.519 --> 01:06:32.599
<v Speaker 1>as the Romeo and Juliet of Sarajevo, were killed on

1181
01:06:32.719 --> 01:06:36.599
<v Speaker 1>May nineteenth, nineteen ninety three, while attempting to cross the

1182
01:06:36.760 --> 01:06:41.039
<v Speaker 1>Verbanja Bridge. Their deaths are often cited in media and

1183
01:06:41.159 --> 01:06:46.920
<v Speaker 1>memorials as emblematic of civilians suffering under sniperfire. However, no

1184
01:06:47.039 --> 01:06:51.400
<v Speaker 1>credible source links their deaths to sniper tourism. Another well

1185
01:06:51.480 --> 01:06:56.920
<v Speaker 1>known victim is Gabriel Moreno Locatelli, an Italian pacifist student

1186
01:06:57.239 --> 01:07:00.199
<v Speaker 1>who was killed by a Serb sniper on October tie third,

1187
01:07:00.280 --> 01:07:04.039
<v Speaker 1>nineteen ninety three. Though he is a foreign national, public

1188
01:07:04.119 --> 01:07:06.880
<v Speaker 1>sources do not establish that his death resulted from paid

1189
01:07:06.960 --> 01:07:12.039
<v Speaker 1>tourist sniper, but it is suspected. In Sarajevo safari, one

1190
01:07:12.039 --> 01:07:15.159
<v Speaker 1>anonymous source claims to have witnessed children dying in sniper

1191
01:07:15.199 --> 01:07:19.400
<v Speaker 1>attacks alongside their mothers, believing these tax were carried out

1192
01:07:19.440 --> 01:07:23.559
<v Speaker 1>by tourists. The source said, quote, I even saw children

1193
01:07:23.679 --> 01:07:26.800
<v Speaker 1>die with their mother holding their hands. They were like hunters,

1194
01:07:26.880 --> 01:07:33.199
<v Speaker 1>shooting animals end quote again. To date, no publicly available

1195
01:07:33.280 --> 01:07:38.000
<v Speaker 1>court verified record named specific form participants who were convicted

1196
01:07:38.079 --> 01:07:41.480
<v Speaker 1>for taking part in so called human hunting parties during

1197
01:07:41.480 --> 01:07:45.159
<v Speaker 1>the stage of Sarajevo, and the central witnesses featured in

1198
01:07:45.280 --> 01:07:50.000
<v Speaker 1>Sirievo Safari the documentary largely remain anonymous, which makes their

1199
01:07:50.039 --> 01:07:54.159
<v Speaker 1>claims inherently harder for outsiders to research and courts to verify.

1200
01:07:54.960 --> 01:07:57.840
<v Speaker 1>Here's where some of the problem comes in, right. What

1201
01:07:58.000 --> 01:08:01.880
<v Speaker 1>is missing to really bring these bastards to justice is

1202
01:08:01.960 --> 01:08:07.400
<v Speaker 1>a verifiable dossier, complete with names, travel documentation, receipts, or

1203
01:08:07.480 --> 01:08:12.360
<v Speaker 1>forensic evidence linking identified foreigners to civilian deaths in Sarajevo

1204
01:08:12.880 --> 01:08:17.439
<v Speaker 1>resulting in judicial convictions. While there are reports that certain

1205
01:08:17.520 --> 01:08:20.960
<v Speaker 1>claims of sniper tourism were handed over to judicial bodies

1206
01:08:21.039 --> 01:08:25.800
<v Speaker 1>to review, unfortunately, public records show no successful prosecution of

1207
01:08:25.840 --> 01:08:33.119
<v Speaker 1>foreigners these tourist shooters tied directly to these allegations. Yet overall,

1208
01:08:33.439 --> 01:08:38.439
<v Speaker 1>investigative journalism, eyewitness testimony, and the documentary have been essential

1209
01:08:38.479 --> 01:08:42.000
<v Speaker 1>in reviving the issue and prompting renewed scrutiny into the

1210
01:08:42.039 --> 01:08:46.239
<v Speaker 1>allegations of human hunting parties during the Serbian War. But

1211
01:08:46.399 --> 01:08:51.199
<v Speaker 1>this renewed attention should not be mistaken for judiciously proven evidence.

1212
01:08:51.600 --> 01:08:54.359
<v Speaker 1>As of right now, as far as the public is concerned,

1213
01:08:54.880 --> 01:09:01.119
<v Speaker 1>the claims remain powerful, shocking, horrifying, and vile, but unverified

1214
01:09:02.039 --> 01:09:05.920
<v Speaker 1>in a legal sense. In the meantime, all we could

1215
01:09:05.920 --> 01:09:07.880
<v Speaker 1>do is pray that this ship is not real.

1216
01:09:11.039 --> 01:09:14.199
<v Speaker 3>I think it's both real and likely, and I think

1217
01:09:14.520 --> 01:09:16.960
<v Speaker 3>full yeah. And I think the reason we haven't heard

1218
01:09:17.000 --> 01:09:20.560
<v Speaker 3>this from other fronts throughout the years, even since I'm

1219
01:09:20.600 --> 01:09:25.439
<v Speaker 3>even saying before, is uh lack of coverage even to

1220
01:09:25.560 --> 01:09:27.239
<v Speaker 3>even warrant suspicion to get it going.

1221
01:09:27.880 --> 01:09:28.159
<v Speaker 1>Yeah, But.

1222
01:09:30.640 --> 01:09:33.079
<v Speaker 3>It seems to be that the main issue with this

1223
01:09:33.079 --> 01:09:37.159
<v Speaker 3>is the thing that makes it extra dirty, extra, you know,

1224
01:09:37.319 --> 01:09:40.640
<v Speaker 3>black hearted, is the fact that which people are paying

1225
01:09:40.720 --> 01:09:44.720
<v Speaker 3>for it, like it's a service, right, That's what makes

1226
01:09:44.760 --> 01:09:47.560
<v Speaker 3>it extra. But in general, this happens a bunch. For example,

1227
01:09:47.640 --> 01:09:53.039
<v Speaker 3>like you hear about you know, doing doing you know

1228
01:09:53.239 --> 01:09:56.439
<v Speaker 3>during our not hour, although I am American, I should

1229
01:09:56.439 --> 01:09:59.760
<v Speaker 3>say our doing our you know, occupation and taking down

1230
01:09:59.800 --> 01:10:03.399
<v Speaker 3>an Americans in the wild West era, we put our

1231
01:10:03.479 --> 01:10:06.039
<v Speaker 3>young people to train in front by shooting them to

1232
01:10:06.159 --> 01:10:07.880
<v Speaker 3>the front line, you know, to train to learn how

1233
01:10:07.920 --> 01:10:10.199
<v Speaker 3>to shoot. Not they weren't paying for sure, But like

1234
01:10:10.520 --> 01:10:14.079
<v Speaker 3>it feels like the differences are are minuteier in grotesquely

1235
01:10:14.159 --> 01:10:16.079
<v Speaker 3>the same amount of people dyna matter what. And that

1236
01:10:16.239 --> 01:10:18.159
<v Speaker 3>sucks and that's what I really should be mad about.

1237
01:10:18.560 --> 01:10:20.279
<v Speaker 3>But the fact that which people are paying for it

1238
01:10:20.399 --> 01:10:24.039
<v Speaker 3>to get to be because they're bored, it's uh, it

1239
01:10:24.159 --> 01:10:26.000
<v Speaker 3>just makes it extra worse. It's like squid game.

1240
01:10:26.479 --> 01:10:29.239
<v Speaker 1>Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah right. There's another example, yeah.

1241
01:10:29.199 --> 01:10:32.079
<v Speaker 3>Yeah, which also feels likely. Oh man, there's a lot

1242
01:10:32.079 --> 01:10:33.760
<v Speaker 3>of there's a lot of islands that no one's allowed

1243
01:10:33.800 --> 01:10:35.520
<v Speaker 3>to get on. By the way, can I just say

1244
01:10:35.560 --> 01:10:38.079
<v Speaker 3>that there are a lot of half the islands you're

1245
01:10:38.119 --> 01:10:40.199
<v Speaker 3>not allowed to get on because there's that's how many

1246
01:10:40.279 --> 01:10:42.760
<v Speaker 3>islands there are. You think, like, oh, come on, there

1247
01:10:42.800 --> 01:10:45.560
<v Speaker 3>are so many little islands that no one even knows.

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01:10:46.000 --> 01:10:47.439
<v Speaker 1>Yeah, and who knows what goes on there?

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01:10:47.520 --> 01:10:51.239
<v Speaker 3>Yeah, you know, yeahriving us anyway. I have no faith

1250
01:10:51.279 --> 01:10:53.399
<v Speaker 3>in humanity, so yeah, yeah this is gross. I also

1251
01:10:53.479 --> 01:10:55.279
<v Speaker 3>have no faith. I'm to the point where like, yeah,

1252
01:10:55.279 --> 01:10:56.960
<v Speaker 3>I believe that every war front has this.

1253
01:10:58.520 --> 01:10:59.439
<v Speaker 1>It could, It certainly could.

1254
01:10:59.720 --> 01:11:00.640
<v Speaker 3>Yes, it certainly could.

1255
01:11:03.159 --> 01:11:07.760
<v Speaker 1>Okay, human hunting parties. The last story, it's short. It's

1256
01:11:07.800 --> 01:11:13.880
<v Speaker 1>fairly short, thank you. Sorry, I'm just as tall laying down,

1257
01:11:13.960 --> 01:11:14.800
<v Speaker 1>if you know what I mean.

1258
01:11:16.840 --> 01:11:21.520
<v Speaker 3>I called this last one human, it's right, yeah, Trifi.

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01:11:24.560 --> 01:11:28.720
<v Speaker 1>I called this last one surveillance, all right, So this

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01:11:28.800 --> 01:11:32.279
<v Speaker 1>one's fun. So it was October two, twenty twenty five,

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01:11:33.119 --> 01:11:37.560
<v Speaker 1>and one of my dearest friends, Randy. He's been on

1262
01:11:37.600 --> 01:11:41.720
<v Speaker 1>the show before, and I would encourage our listeners to

1263
01:11:41.840 --> 01:11:44.359
<v Speaker 1>go check out his YouTube channel. It's called Bourbon Broke

1264
01:11:45.000 --> 01:11:48.399
<v Speaker 1>or you go to Bourbonbrooke dot com. He's a wonderful person.

1265
01:11:49.479 --> 01:11:52.359
<v Speaker 1>Randy was finishing up a business trip and he was

1266
01:11:52.439 --> 01:11:57.920
<v Speaker 1>flying back home from Baltimore Washington International Airport or BWY,

1267
01:11:58.640 --> 01:12:01.600
<v Speaker 1>which is about an hour from Washington, DC and the

1268
01:12:01.680 --> 01:12:06.319
<v Speaker 1>White House. So there Randy was. He had just returned

1269
01:12:06.319 --> 01:12:09.640
<v Speaker 1>his rental car and he's riding the rental car shuttle

1270
01:12:09.680 --> 01:12:14.920
<v Speaker 1>bus heading over to airport right from the rental car place. Now,

1271
01:12:14.960 --> 01:12:18.319
<v Speaker 1>at one point, this guy gets on the shuttle. Nothing

1272
01:12:18.520 --> 01:12:21.119
<v Speaker 1>distinguishing about him. He's a white guy, looks like a

1273
01:12:21.199 --> 01:12:24.119
<v Speaker 1>normal business traveler, had some company logo on his shirt,

1274
01:12:24.199 --> 01:12:27.600
<v Speaker 1>but Randy couldn't really remember what the logo was. But

1275
01:12:27.720 --> 01:12:31.600
<v Speaker 1>he's wheeling this really large black case, maybe four feet tall,

1276
01:12:31.760 --> 01:12:34.720
<v Speaker 1>three feet wide. Randy said, it looked kind of like

1277
01:12:34.840 --> 01:12:39.720
<v Speaker 1>the cases people used to carry trade show booth backdrops

1278
01:12:40.119 --> 01:12:43.159
<v Speaker 1>or large banners in something for marketing. Right, that's kind

1279
01:12:43.159 --> 01:12:43.960
<v Speaker 1>of what Randy was thinking.

1280
01:12:44.039 --> 01:12:45.680
<v Speaker 3>I think a camera equipment also will come in pick.

1281
01:12:48.600 --> 01:12:51.800
<v Speaker 1>So Randy's looking at the case and the guy looks

1282
01:12:51.840 --> 01:12:55.359
<v Speaker 1>right at him and goes, it's not a bomb. What

1283
01:12:55.880 --> 01:12:57.840
<v Speaker 1>and he said? Randy Reddy goes as he said, he

1284
01:12:58.000 --> 01:13:00.640
<v Speaker 1>just smiled and said that's good to know. And that

1285
01:13:00.800 --> 01:13:04.079
<v Speaker 1>was it. That was the interaction. A shuttle gets to

1286
01:13:04.159 --> 01:13:07.399
<v Speaker 1>the airport, they get off the bus, Randy goes one way,

1287
01:13:07.880 --> 01:13:09.640
<v Speaker 1>the guy with the case goes the other way, and

1288
01:13:09.680 --> 01:13:14.319
<v Speaker 1>the whole thing is forgotten about, okay, until Randy goes

1289
01:13:14.319 --> 01:13:19.439
<v Speaker 1>through security. Now, something I know about Randy. He's white,

1290
01:13:20.359 --> 01:13:25.399
<v Speaker 1>business professional in his fifties, incredibly sharp dresser, like he's

1291
01:13:25.439 --> 01:13:29.640
<v Speaker 1>always in these beautiful custom suits. He wears really expensive shoes,

1292
01:13:30.079 --> 01:13:34.600
<v Speaker 1>hairs never out of place, kind courteous, friendly, he'll do

1293
01:13:34.680 --> 01:13:38.239
<v Speaker 1>anything for you, A gentleman, complete right and he's coming

1294
01:13:38.319 --> 01:13:42.119
<v Speaker 1>home from a business trip, so he's dressed to the nines. Guaranteed.

1295
01:13:42.439 --> 01:13:44.439
<v Speaker 1>I didn't even have to ask the question, because that's

1296
01:13:44.520 --> 01:13:48.800
<v Speaker 1>just Randy, right, and he's been traveling for business for decades,

1297
01:13:49.039 --> 01:13:52.399
<v Speaker 1>and he's been TSA pre check for many, many years.

1298
01:13:53.159 --> 01:13:57.279
<v Speaker 1>Zero alarm bells with this guy, right, So he gets

1299
01:13:57.319 --> 01:14:00.479
<v Speaker 1>to security and when he goes through, the metal detector

1300
01:14:00.560 --> 01:14:03.319
<v Speaker 1>goes off. He's like, what the fuck now? Mind you?

1301
01:14:03.439 --> 01:14:06.760
<v Speaker 1>He told me that in literally hundreds of flights he's

1302
01:14:06.840 --> 01:14:09.880
<v Speaker 1>taken over the years, this rarely happens to him, Like

1303
01:14:10.239 --> 01:14:12.760
<v Speaker 1>he count on one hand how many times this has

1304
01:14:12.800 --> 01:14:16.640
<v Speaker 1>happened over the decades. Okay, so the arm goes off

1305
01:14:16.920 --> 01:14:19.199
<v Speaker 1>and he asks the TSA agent to want me to

1306
01:14:19.239 --> 01:14:21.760
<v Speaker 1>go back through again, and they say no, go through

1307
01:14:21.760 --> 01:14:24.880
<v Speaker 1>the other one. And the guy's pointing to the big detector,

1308
01:14:24.960 --> 01:14:27.520
<v Speaker 1>the one where you stand with your hands above your head. Yes,

1309
01:14:27.640 --> 01:14:30.479
<v Speaker 1>and then a thing circles around you. So Randy goes

1310
01:14:30.520 --> 01:14:33.159
<v Speaker 1>to the big one and of course he passes, but

1311
01:14:33.319 --> 01:14:36.960
<v Speaker 1>TSA mentioned they motioned him out and said he needed

1312
01:14:37.000 --> 01:14:39.600
<v Speaker 1>to be padded down, and while they were getting someone

1313
01:14:39.640 --> 01:14:42.039
<v Speaker 1>to do the pat down, they told him do not move,

1314
01:14:42.199 --> 01:14:46.840
<v Speaker 1>do not reach for anything. Pretty serious shit, right, So

1315
01:14:46.960 --> 01:14:50.319
<v Speaker 1>someone comes over. He asked Randy to extend his arms

1316
01:14:50.359 --> 01:14:53.600
<v Speaker 1>straight out, and he proceeds to give this thorough pat down,

1317
01:14:53.640 --> 01:14:56.880
<v Speaker 1>and of course they find nothing, and then Randy was

1318
01:14:56.920 --> 01:15:00.359
<v Speaker 1>free to go on his merry way. In all his

1319
01:15:00.520 --> 01:15:03.560
<v Speaker 1>years of flying hundreds of flights for business and pleasure,

1320
01:15:04.159 --> 01:15:10.239
<v Speaker 1>he's never once been padded down. Never. Okay, So what

1321
01:15:10.399 --> 01:15:13.079
<v Speaker 1>happened here? Why am I bringing up this little story

1322
01:15:13.319 --> 01:15:16.680
<v Speaker 1>on this particular show. Could you guess what I think

1323
01:15:16.760 --> 01:15:17.199
<v Speaker 1>happened here?

1324
01:15:17.840 --> 01:15:20.000
<v Speaker 3>So my first thought is what I think happened, mind you,

1325
01:15:20.600 --> 01:15:26.159
<v Speaker 3>is that a residue from that shuttle got on him,

1326
01:15:26.239 --> 01:15:30.399
<v Speaker 3>and the detectors detected something that the guy that was

1327
01:15:30.479 --> 01:15:32.079
<v Speaker 3>in the shuttle with him with the big black case

1328
01:15:32.720 --> 01:15:35.640
<v Speaker 3>was actually carrying, and they detected on him like a whiff.

1329
01:15:36.199 --> 01:15:37.880
<v Speaker 3>And that's what the extra screening was for.

1330
01:15:38.640 --> 01:15:42.479
<v Speaker 1>Interesting, all right, okay, So right, it has to do

1331
01:15:42.560 --> 01:15:44.000
<v Speaker 1>with the guy in the shuttle. I assume the guy

1332
01:15:44.039 --> 01:15:45.840
<v Speaker 1>who got under the shuttle, right, the one with that

1333
01:15:46.039 --> 01:15:48.920
<v Speaker 1>large black case. What did he say to Randy, That's

1334
01:15:48.960 --> 01:15:51.640
<v Speaker 1>not a bomb. He directly said to him, it's not

1335
01:15:51.880 --> 01:15:55.960
<v Speaker 1>a bomb. Right, He used the word bomb. Everyone knows

1336
01:15:56.159 --> 01:15:58.680
<v Speaker 1>you do not say bomb on a plane or in

1337
01:15:58.760 --> 01:16:02.079
<v Speaker 1>an airport, saying that ship post nine to eleven just

1338
01:16:02.199 --> 01:16:05.640
<v Speaker 1>begging for an ass whipping in jail time. Right, So,

1339
01:16:05.760 --> 01:16:09.039
<v Speaker 1>now did Randy get tagged because this random guy said

1340
01:16:09.159 --> 01:16:11.079
<v Speaker 1>bomb to him? Think about it, on.

1341
01:16:11.159 --> 01:16:15.159
<v Speaker 3>That very day you're saying like his phone or something.

1342
01:16:15.000 --> 01:16:18.840
<v Speaker 1>Phone, something around or in the air. This serves in

1343
01:16:18.960 --> 01:16:21.600
<v Speaker 1>certain ways. It serves Washington, d C. It's an hour

1344
01:16:21.720 --> 01:16:23.479
<v Speaker 1>from the Capitol, from the White House.

1345
01:16:23.520 --> 01:16:24.359
<v Speaker 3>What year is this again?

1346
01:16:24.760 --> 01:16:25.920
<v Speaker 1>Now this is October seven?

1347
01:16:26.159 --> 01:16:29.760
<v Speaker 3>Second, so well we remember the whole what's that guy

1348
01:16:29.800 --> 01:16:34.840
<v Speaker 3>that whistleblower? Yeah, that was part of the thing he described.

1349
01:16:35.000 --> 01:16:37.840
<v Speaker 3>But like people would like they would hear certain key

1350
01:16:37.960 --> 01:16:40.760
<v Speaker 3>words that they were they would look for. Bomb. Was wonderful.

1351
01:16:40.800 --> 01:16:43.680
<v Speaker 3>Absolutely every time he said, like like if I said bomb, bomb, bomb,

1352
01:16:44.199 --> 01:16:46.640
<v Speaker 3>someone got flagged. Right now, So I'm making I'm giving

1353
01:16:46.720 --> 01:16:49.279
<v Speaker 3>someone their job, So I'm making sure they have a phone.

1354
01:16:49.640 --> 01:16:51.359
<v Speaker 1>He held up his phone and said bomb, bomb, bomb

1355
01:16:51.399 --> 01:16:54.520
<v Speaker 1>into his phone right while he's talking bombsight.

1356
01:16:54.960 --> 01:16:59.159
<v Speaker 3>Yeah, and so I say, what you're going for? Okay,

1357
01:16:59.439 --> 01:17:00.600
<v Speaker 3>that makes sense exactly.

1358
01:17:00.720 --> 01:17:02.720
<v Speaker 1>But so again, think about it, on that very day

1359
01:17:03.399 --> 01:17:07.199
<v Speaker 1>that someone says bomb to Randy, which never happened before. Right,

1360
01:17:07.279 --> 01:17:12.960
<v Speaker 1>that interaction has never happened Randy, who's flown hundreds of

1361
01:17:13.039 --> 01:17:17.039
<v Speaker 1>times without incident and zero bat downs. The day someone

1362
01:17:17.079 --> 01:17:19.920
<v Speaker 1>says bomb directly to him, that's the gate. The day

1363
01:17:19.960 --> 01:17:22.119
<v Speaker 1>he gets singled out for a pat down with the

1364
01:17:22.159 --> 01:17:24.359
<v Speaker 1>whole do not move or reach for anything. Bit Right,

1365
01:17:25.000 --> 01:17:29.039
<v Speaker 1>that's way to coincidental. And again, the airport an hour

1366
01:17:29.079 --> 01:17:31.439
<v Speaker 1>away from the nation's capital, an hour away from the

1367
01:17:31.479 --> 01:17:36.359
<v Speaker 1>White House, from the president, they were being surveilled. That's

1368
01:17:36.399 --> 01:17:37.079
<v Speaker 1>what I think happened.

1369
01:17:37.680 --> 01:17:41.239
<v Speaker 3>Do you think the intensity and the real time like

1370
01:17:41.439 --> 01:17:44.239
<v Speaker 3>a version of that surveillance is hard at more laser

1371
01:17:44.359 --> 01:17:47.359
<v Speaker 3>focused around the capital than they here.

1372
01:17:47.880 --> 01:17:50.760
<v Speaker 1>Would happened, Right? Would that have happened in ot here?

1373
01:17:51.159 --> 01:17:53.159
<v Speaker 1>Would that have happened in Michigan where he's from?

1374
01:17:53.399 --> 01:17:53.520
<v Speaker 2>Right?

1375
01:17:54.159 --> 01:17:56.880
<v Speaker 1>But this was it wasn't first in the airport. It's

1376
01:17:56.960 --> 01:17:59.960
<v Speaker 1>outside of DC. You know, they're senators who are probably

1377
01:18:00.119 --> 01:18:02.199
<v Speaker 1>from many many you know, from those states.

1378
01:18:03.039 --> 01:18:04.840
<v Speaker 3>Baltimore could away through.

1379
01:18:04.680 --> 01:18:07.359
<v Speaker 1>That airport, flight through the airport. The President's not going

1380
01:18:07.439 --> 01:18:11.880
<v Speaker 1>through this airport, but other constituents and senators and things. Absolutely,

1381
01:18:12.680 --> 01:18:15.800
<v Speaker 1>so again way too coincidental. It's near the Capitol, it's

1382
01:18:15.840 --> 01:18:19.159
<v Speaker 1>near the White House. They're being surveiled. Something picked up

1383
01:18:19.199 --> 01:18:20.720
<v Speaker 1>on that interaction, the word bomb.

1384
01:18:20.880 --> 01:18:22.560
<v Speaker 3>You know, I'd never been that IRAA before. I've never

1385
01:18:22.600 --> 01:18:23.079
<v Speaker 3>been to DC.

1386
01:18:24.079 --> 01:18:26.159
<v Speaker 1>I was years ago, years ago.

1387
01:18:26.399 --> 01:18:28.760
<v Speaker 3>I couldn't even tell you how it feels, but I would.

1388
01:18:29.079 --> 01:18:31.359
<v Speaker 1>I would bet my life. I bet my life. That's

1389
01:18:31.359 --> 01:18:31.760
<v Speaker 1>what it was.

1390
01:18:31.920 --> 01:18:32.119
<v Speaker 3>Huh.

1391
01:18:32.239 --> 01:18:34.560
<v Speaker 1>They were being listened to now, And of course I

1392
01:18:34.600 --> 01:18:36.720
<v Speaker 1>asked the question, But Randy, he has no idea of

1393
01:18:36.840 --> 01:18:38.880
<v Speaker 1>something happened to the other guy, the case guy, the

1394
01:18:38.920 --> 01:18:42.680
<v Speaker 1>black case guy. We just don't know. But uh, I'm curious.

1395
01:18:42.720 --> 01:18:44.439
<v Speaker 1>I would give my life to know if something happened

1396
01:18:44.439 --> 01:18:44.840
<v Speaker 1>to that guy.

1397
01:18:45.520 --> 01:18:47.439
<v Speaker 3>Yeah, that's the way his gate. That's the way to

1398
01:18:47.800 --> 01:18:52.600
<v Speaker 3>close circuit this right to see if he right, that's

1399
01:18:52.640 --> 01:18:54.680
<v Speaker 3>the way to that's the only way to find out.

1400
01:18:54.720 --> 01:18:57.119
<v Speaker 3>That'll give us a lot of leeway as to the

1401
01:18:57.199 --> 01:19:01.000
<v Speaker 3>surveillance capabilities. I went to with my thinking.

1402
01:19:01.760 --> 01:19:04.079
<v Speaker 1>No, I mean, I think I think that's a good

1403
01:19:05.039 --> 01:19:06.960
<v Speaker 1>I think it's a good guest too. Yeah, maybe there

1404
01:19:07.039 --> 01:19:08.800
<v Speaker 1>was some cross contamination or.

1405
01:19:08.800 --> 01:19:10.479
<v Speaker 3>I was thinking of the movie. I wasn't thinking a

1406
01:19:10.560 --> 01:19:12.479
<v Speaker 3>reality but good.

1407
01:19:12.359 --> 01:19:12.880
<v Speaker 1>Thought, thank you.

1408
01:19:13.960 --> 01:19:15.720
<v Speaker 3>Yeah, fucking.

1409
01:19:17.039 --> 01:19:19.560
<v Speaker 1>Finish funny finish the last sentence left.

1410
01:19:19.600 --> 01:19:22.079
<v Speaker 3>It's just too funny. Yeah, it died right after you

1411
01:19:22.159 --> 01:19:23.039
<v Speaker 3>finished your last story.

1412
01:19:23.159 --> 01:19:25.399
<v Speaker 1>It's because I said bomb. It just shut off my laptop,

1413
01:19:25.439 --> 01:19:25.840
<v Speaker 1>that's true.

1414
01:19:25.880 --> 01:19:28.640
<v Speaker 3>It's PC. Also, Mac doesn't give a shit if you said, mama.

1415
01:19:29.279 --> 01:19:31.520
<v Speaker 1>Dude, what if that was it? We we both do

1416
01:19:32.560 --> 01:19:34.720
<v Speaker 1>a hundred times. Yeah, my laptop.

1417
01:19:34.760 --> 01:19:35.960
<v Speaker 3>There's a hundred more, buddy.

1418
01:19:37.920 --> 01:19:40.119
<v Speaker 1>But how it's It's just it's one of those things again.

1419
01:19:40.199 --> 01:19:43.079
<v Speaker 1>It's it's so coincidental that it can't be a coincidence.

1420
01:19:43.199 --> 01:19:46.079
<v Speaker 3>Yes you no, I know what you're saying, and that

1421
01:19:47.199 --> 01:19:51.079
<v Speaker 3>I like the hunting. I buy it even easier than

1422
01:19:51.119 --> 01:19:54.560
<v Speaker 3>the hunting because we've already been proven of this. We

1423
01:19:54.680 --> 01:19:57.479
<v Speaker 3>just don't know if this specific incident is associated with it.

1424
01:19:57.800 --> 01:20:00.399
<v Speaker 3>But we've seen it time and time again, and use

1425
01:20:00.479 --> 01:20:04.399
<v Speaker 3>usually almost always exclusively for targeted ads for making to

1426
01:20:04.479 --> 01:20:07.439
<v Speaker 3>make people more money. Sure, but why not this. It's

1427
01:20:07.520 --> 01:20:09.319
<v Speaker 3>like the next it's not even the next step. It's

1428
01:20:09.359 --> 01:20:11.479
<v Speaker 3>right next to each other. You can use. You can

1429
01:20:11.560 --> 01:20:15.039
<v Speaker 3>have both ways. You can make money and swerveilred like

1430
01:20:15.760 --> 01:20:18.640
<v Speaker 3>one is not exclusive to the other. Yeah, and yes,

1431
01:20:18.720 --> 01:20:19.680
<v Speaker 3>I one hundred percent by it.

1432
01:20:19.800 --> 01:20:22.079
<v Speaker 1>You touched on something that's great. Every single I bet you,

1433
01:20:22.239 --> 01:20:25.640
<v Speaker 1>every single listener right hearing this right now has experienced

1434
01:20:25.800 --> 01:20:28.119
<v Speaker 1>holding the conversation with one hundred percent and then jump

1435
01:20:28.159 --> 01:20:31.359
<v Speaker 1>down and talking. It serves them up to add what they're.

1436
01:20:31.199 --> 01:20:32.399
<v Speaker 3>Doing, and they'll kind of much you were used to.

1437
01:20:32.479 --> 01:20:34.640
<v Speaker 3>We don't even we don't even complain about it anymore.

1438
01:20:34.640 --> 01:20:36.199
<v Speaker 3>We complain about it when I first came out. We

1439
01:20:36.239 --> 01:20:39.199
<v Speaker 3>can now it's not It's just like seventeen tragedies ago.

1440
01:20:40.000 --> 01:20:43.079
<v Speaker 3>It's like seventeen discoveries seventy five discoveries ago that we

1441
01:20:43.159 --> 01:20:46.159
<v Speaker 3>can't wrap our heads around. So yeah, like, why not

1442
01:20:46.960 --> 01:20:48.479
<v Speaker 3>another notch other than that?

1443
01:20:49.680 --> 01:20:49.840
<v Speaker 1>Yeah?

1444
01:20:49.920 --> 01:20:50.760
<v Speaker 3>Yeah, I totally buy it?

1445
01:20:51.680 --> 01:20:53.439
<v Speaker 1>Fun right, No, fun story?

1446
01:20:53.520 --> 01:20:54.720
<v Speaker 3>No, No, it's not fun.

1447
01:20:54.760 --> 01:20:56.119
<v Speaker 1>I mean actually I don't know why.

1448
01:20:56.199 --> 01:20:57.720
<v Speaker 3>But this last story pissed me off.

1449
01:20:58.399 --> 01:21:01.720
<v Speaker 1>It's like human hunting parties. I buy it. Yeah, surveillance

1450
01:21:02.159 --> 01:21:02.600
<v Speaker 1>fuck you?

1451
01:21:03.960 --> 01:21:06.359
<v Speaker 3>Yeah no, no, yeah, I'm glad.

1452
01:21:06.199 --> 01:21:08.039
<v Speaker 1>We could end on a laugh. I'm glad we could end.

1453
01:21:08.359 --> 01:21:11.720
<v Speaker 3>Well, that's why that's why you invite me over, dude.

1454
01:21:12.920 --> 01:21:14.800
<v Speaker 1>So I like this. I like this shorter story. I

1455
01:21:14.840 --> 01:21:17.520
<v Speaker 1>don't know run time, how short this was, but I

1456
01:21:17.560 --> 01:21:20.520
<v Speaker 1>don't know either. Yeah, I mean compared to our usual script.

1457
01:21:20.600 --> 01:21:22.880
<v Speaker 1>This was I think it's about the same fourteen the.

1458
01:21:22.920 --> 01:21:24.600
<v Speaker 3>Lash all turned out to be rough the same length

1459
01:21:24.640 --> 01:21:28.239
<v Speaker 3>as ours normal show. Okay, cool, so we'll see.

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01:21:28.479 --> 01:21:30.279
<v Speaker 1>Well. I hope you like the stories, listeners, I hope

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01:21:30.279 --> 01:21:33.560
<v Speaker 1>you like the stories. Could I say happy Halloween?

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01:21:35.119 --> 01:21:38.720
<v Speaker 3>I mean in our timeline, In this timeline, I can

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01:21:38.840 --> 01:21:41.079
<v Speaker 3>say happy. I hope you all have a had a

1464
01:21:41.119 --> 01:21:44.399
<v Speaker 3>happy Halloween and wish for us to have one too.

1465
01:21:45.079 --> 01:21:48.439
<v Speaker 3>Happy All Saints Day, Happy Thanksgiving too, right because next

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01:21:48.439 --> 01:21:50.119
<v Speaker 3>time we come back Thanksgiving, we'll be done.

1467
01:21:50.279 --> 01:21:54.279
<v Speaker 1>Oh dude, yeah, happy Thanksgiving? Listeners, Yes, go get what

1468
01:21:54.399 --> 01:21:58.079
<v Speaker 1>is a trip to fan put you? That's the chemical

1469
01:21:58.119 --> 01:21:59.640
<v Speaker 1>in the turkey that knocks your ass out and I

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01:21:59.720 --> 01:22:06.239
<v Speaker 1>use emma so oh god, surveillance just picked up.

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01:22:06.920 --> 01:22:09.199
<v Speaker 3>Yeah I was. I was g Glory Hall.

1472
01:22:16.000 --> 01:22:19.039
<v Speaker 1>He just he did that into his full glory all

1473
01:22:19.079 --> 01:22:22.640
<v Speaker 1>into his phone. Oh god, I can't, I can't let you.

1474
01:22:22.800 --> 01:22:25.199
<v Speaker 3>I think I'm getting drunk. I haven't drunk all week,

1475
01:22:25.680 --> 01:22:26.680
<v Speaker 3>oh two weeks.

1476
01:22:26.720 --> 01:22:28.039
<v Speaker 1>I think you're drinking.

1477
01:22:28.319 --> 01:22:29.800
<v Speaker 3>I know, I mean, I think it's gain to me

1478
01:22:29.840 --> 01:22:32.840
<v Speaker 3>because I'm like, I haven't drunk. He's realized I haven't

1479
01:22:32.920 --> 01:22:35.199
<v Speaker 3>drank anything in like weeks alcohol.

1480
01:22:35.279 --> 01:22:38.560
<v Speaker 1>I mean, wow, yeah, Oscar where I mean, got some

1481
01:22:38.640 --> 01:22:39.600
<v Speaker 1>drinking and do after the show.

1482
01:22:39.680 --> 01:23:08.800
<v Speaker 3>Clearly anyway, Oscar, take us home, let's do it. M Yeah,

1483
01:23:09.560 --> 01:23:13.920
<v Speaker 3>what the bro I don't need a fucking metronomes on.

1484
01:23:16.119 --> 01:23:17.359
<v Speaker 3>Can you say a few things.

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01:23:17.479 --> 01:23:25.800
<v Speaker 1>Just to Armagnac. Armagnac, it's j Henry La flem aged in.

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01:23:26.159 --> 01:23:30.800
<v Speaker 3>Armagnac noddles, Yeah, good, good, Shut the fuck up. I'm sorry,

1487
01:23:30.840 --> 01:23:31.279
<v Speaker 3>I'm kidding.

1488
01:23:31.399 --> 01:23:34.439
<v Speaker 1>Well, I'm sorry kind of aggressive today.

1489
01:23:34.479 --> 01:23:37.239
<v Speaker 3>I am like something about coming out of work makes

1490
01:23:37.279 --> 01:23:38.399
<v Speaker 3>me aggress I don't know why.

1491
01:23:39.000 --> 01:23:44.199
<v Speaker 1>Because work sucks. Probably a pesto.

1492
01:23:45.239 --> 01:23:47.039
<v Speaker 3>I don't know why I said that, but that feels right.

1493
01:23:47.199 --> 01:23:48.960
<v Speaker 3>Go to the gut, man, yep, that's go the gut.

1494
01:23:49.000 --> 01:23:50.079
<v Speaker 3>A ninety percent of my life.

1495
01:23:49.960 --> 01:23:55.520
<v Speaker 1>Is that way. You haven't planned, noddle, No, it's about.

1496
01:23:55.319 --> 01:23:58.079
<v Speaker 3>I don't have any ill legitimate children at this point.

1497
01:23:59.479 --> 01:24:02.840
<v Speaker 3>Maybe that's percent as it goes, Just just being careful

1498
01:24:02.880 --> 01:24:05.640
<v Speaker 3>on that. If you had told me that, I mean,

1499
01:24:05.680 --> 01:24:07.159
<v Speaker 3>we were friends already, right, I think, yeah, we have

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01:24:07.199 --> 01:24:10.439
<v Speaker 3>to because of Italian I was abreading if I'd known

1501
01:24:10.479 --> 01:24:12.640
<v Speaker 3>about this, or like, if I had more of a

1502
01:24:12.720 --> 01:24:16.359
<v Speaker 3>wherewith all of my tomfoolery ness that I have today,

1503
01:24:17.239 --> 01:24:22.439
<v Speaker 3>my scamp neess, if you will scampiness, I would have

1504
01:24:22.520 --> 01:24:26.079
<v Speaker 3>played a prank on you. I would have totally played.

1505
01:24:28.079 --> 01:24:30.399
<v Speaker 3>I would have mailed you like a gift basket or

1506
01:24:30.439 --> 01:24:33.960
<v Speaker 3>something like with all these boys like I would face.

1507
01:24:34.039 --> 01:24:37.399
<v Speaker 1>I would find her on Facebook doesn't exist. I tried,

1508
01:24:37.760 --> 01:24:39.640
<v Speaker 1>Oh you tried that. I have tried to find her. Yeah,

1509
01:24:39.760 --> 01:24:40.560
<v Speaker 1>just I gotta know.

1510
01:24:40.760 --> 01:24:42.840
<v Speaker 3>I'll hire a PI for this prank. I'll do it.

1511
01:24:42.920 --> 01:24:45.840
<v Speaker 1>She's not out there, she's out there. I found her

1512
01:24:45.880 --> 01:24:48.399
<v Speaker 1>brothers and sisters, that's fine. I'll be like.

1513
01:24:48.479 --> 01:24:49.920
<v Speaker 3>I want to prank. I want to play a prank

1514
01:24:49.960 --> 01:24:52.239
<v Speaker 3>on my my best friend. So your sister, you know,

1515
01:24:52.319 --> 01:24:55.479
<v Speaker 3>dated this guy, and there's this scarey he had, and

1516
01:24:55.720 --> 01:24:57.319
<v Speaker 3>you know, explain the whole story, and I will be like,

1517
01:24:57.479 --> 01:24:59.199
<v Speaker 3>I want to prank them, so I need some details.

1518
01:25:00.000 --> 01:25:00.760
<v Speaker 3>I'll get details.

1519
01:25:01.760 --> 01:25:03.680
<v Speaker 1>Yeah, yeah, that would put me in a grave.

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01:25:04.000 --> 01:25:05.239
<v Speaker 3>Yeah, that'd be so funny.

1521
01:25:05.640 --> 01:25:08.000
<v Speaker 1>And if I remember he let it, linger like he

1522
01:25:08.119 --> 01:25:10.960
<v Speaker 1>let it. Yeah, he played it all for a few minutes.

1523
01:25:11.119 --> 01:25:11.640
<v Speaker 3>That's funny.

1524
01:25:11.840 --> 01:25:13.319
<v Speaker 1>And then he's like, I'm just kidding.

1525
01:25:13.399 --> 01:25:14.319
<v Speaker 3>Yeah, so funny, But.

1526
01:25:14.359 --> 01:25:14.680
<v Speaker 1>I don't know.

1527
01:25:14.840 --> 01:25:16.640
<v Speaker 3>Well, a few minutes. There's a lot of buffer time

1528
01:25:16.720 --> 01:25:20.479
<v Speaker 3>for him to want to reconsider, you know, lying or not,

1529
01:25:21.039 --> 01:25:23.760
<v Speaker 3>because I get it, I get I get your trepidation there.

1530
01:25:24.279 --> 01:25:28.560
<v Speaker 1>You're right, that's literal earth changing information, right, like for

1531
01:25:29.079 --> 01:25:31.279
<v Speaker 1>a person, for a family, for multiple families.

1532
01:25:31.520 --> 01:25:35.439
<v Speaker 3>Right, Yeah, well hows this If you have a child

1533
01:25:35.439 --> 01:25:36.039
<v Speaker 3>out there, would you.

1534
01:25:36.039 --> 01:25:36.880
<v Speaker 1>Want to know? Yes?

1535
01:25:37.319 --> 01:25:41.000
<v Speaker 3>I would, yeah, absolutely, Okay have you always thought that way? Yeah,

1536
01:25:41.479 --> 01:25:43.039
<v Speaker 3>I would want to know, like they when you were

1537
01:25:43.079 --> 01:25:45.800
<v Speaker 3>sixteen to now, sixteen to sixty Yeah.

1538
01:25:46.119 --> 01:25:49.079
<v Speaker 1>Oh I mean back then, No, I cared. Yeah, I

1539
01:25:49.199 --> 01:25:49.800
<v Speaker 1>cared for sure.

1540
01:25:50.199 --> 01:25:51.720
<v Speaker 3>Yeah, I'm mad that I call you sixty years old.

1541
01:25:51.760 --> 01:25:55.119
<v Speaker 1>No, No, I'm used to it. I'm I'm used to

1542
01:25:55.159 --> 01:25:56.039
<v Speaker 1>the elderly abuse.

1543
01:25:57.479 --> 01:25:59.439
<v Speaker 3>You have a medical alert base on just in case

1544
01:26:00.000 --> 01:26:00.359
<v Speaker 3>I have.

1545
01:26:00.359 --> 01:26:06.159
<v Speaker 1>A diabetes card. You don't. That was good. I liked it.

1546
01:26:06.680 --> 01:26:07.079
<v Speaker 3>I liked it.

1547
01:26:07.520 --> 01:26:09.000
<v Speaker 1>I was I was riveted the whole time.

1548
01:26:10.479 --> 01:26:13.800
<v Speaker 3>Yeah. Yeah. And because we reviewed that movie, I remember

1549
01:26:13.880 --> 01:26:15.520
<v Speaker 3>thinking we were talking about in the review. I think

1550
01:26:15.560 --> 01:26:19.359
<v Speaker 3>we're talking about, like how how fucked up it is

1551
01:26:19.399 --> 01:26:23.560
<v Speaker 3>that this water or whatever the substance that's on the ground, right,

1552
01:26:24.279 --> 01:26:26.760
<v Speaker 3>was made into a cult. It's like a religion there, right,

1553
01:26:27.239 --> 01:26:29.279
<v Speaker 3>And how that guy is using it to like bring

1554
01:26:29.399 --> 01:26:31.960
<v Speaker 3>more acolytes, I guess ideally, And that's what he tried

1555
01:26:32.000 --> 01:26:34.279
<v Speaker 3>to do with that other couple that you see like half.

1556
01:26:34.279 --> 01:26:37.600
<v Speaker 1>Splints fucked up. So that means they weren't no to

1557
01:26:37.680 --> 01:26:38.680
<v Speaker 1>get that's what That's.

1558
01:26:38.560 --> 01:26:40.680
<v Speaker 3>What Luke and Roth were saying. I told them that's

1559
01:26:40.760 --> 01:26:42.720
<v Speaker 3>not the right answer. The whole point of the movie

1560
01:26:43.159 --> 01:26:46.399
<v Speaker 3>is that these two do not belong together, the ones

1561
01:26:46.439 --> 01:26:49.039
<v Speaker 3>that came out all deformed. No, No, the main couple

1562
01:26:49.199 --> 01:26:52.399
<v Speaker 3>do not belong together. They're codependent. It's not a good thing.

1563
01:26:53.680 --> 01:26:58.960
<v Speaker 3>This mutation thing, this water forces them to go together,

1564
01:26:59.079 --> 01:27:01.520
<v Speaker 3>not because they deserve it or because they're meant to that.

1565
01:27:01.680 --> 01:27:04.079
<v Speaker 3>It forces them because, like it's like the dogs in

1566
01:27:04.119 --> 01:27:06.359
<v Speaker 3>the beginning of the movie, they just both happened to

1567
01:27:06.439 --> 01:27:09.239
<v Speaker 3>be there while they both drank the water. They were

1568
01:27:09.319 --> 01:27:12.239
<v Speaker 3>just fused together against their will. That's why they were

1569
01:27:12.239 --> 01:27:14.079
<v Speaker 3>fighting it the whole time, because they had no agency.

1570
01:27:14.119 --> 01:27:16.600
<v Speaker 3>There's no free will in this math math thing. The

1571
01:27:16.720 --> 01:27:20.840
<v Speaker 3>reason that other couple were fucked up is because mid

1572
01:27:20.920 --> 01:27:25.000
<v Speaker 3>transformation the guy died. You saw he had like a

1573
01:27:25.079 --> 01:27:27.319
<v Speaker 3>knife or something sticking out of his head. He died

1574
01:27:27.359 --> 01:27:30.800
<v Speaker 3>in mid transformation, so she's incomplete. That's why she looks

1575
01:27:30.800 --> 01:27:32.720
<v Speaker 3>all fucked up. Not because they weren't like meant to

1576
01:27:32.760 --> 01:27:35.560
<v Speaker 3>be together. Ah okay, yes, I remember have to explain

1577
01:27:35.600 --> 01:27:37.000
<v Speaker 3>that in the review because I was like, that's not

1578
01:27:37.079 --> 01:27:39.520
<v Speaker 3>what happened, guys. I'm like, yeah, and the whole movie

1579
01:27:39.560 --> 01:27:41.680
<v Speaker 3>is about that's about that. It's about the opposite, like

1580
01:27:41.720 --> 01:27:42.760
<v Speaker 3>they're not meant to be together.

1581
01:27:43.880 --> 01:27:44.319
<v Speaker 1>Interesting.

1582
01:27:44.399 --> 01:27:47.079
<v Speaker 3>Yeah, it's not a happy ending, but I got it.

1583
01:27:47.439 --> 01:27:48.399
<v Speaker 1>Okay, that's what I mean.

1584
01:27:48.439 --> 01:27:50.079
<v Speaker 3>That's what I heavily think. I could be wrong.

1585
01:27:51.560 --> 01:27:52.079
<v Speaker 1>I can see it.

1586
01:27:54.680 --> 01:27:59.319
<v Speaker 3>I saw Black Film two yesterday. I really liked it.

1587
01:27:59.439 --> 01:28:01.439
<v Speaker 1>Okay, god, because I really liked the first one.

1588
01:28:01.920 --> 01:28:04.479
<v Speaker 3>I really liked it. Oh so it's out already, yeah,

1589
01:28:04.680 --> 01:28:05.279
<v Speaker 3>just this weekend.

1590
01:28:05.560 --> 01:28:05.920
<v Speaker 1>Very cool.

1591
01:28:05.960 --> 01:28:07.439
<v Speaker 3>I saw a Thursday like right away.

1592
01:28:07.479 --> 01:28:09.239
<v Speaker 1>Worth going to the movies to see or wait for

1593
01:28:09.319 --> 01:28:10.039
<v Speaker 1>streaming or.

1594
01:28:10.199 --> 01:28:13.239
<v Speaker 3>I mean, if you have a crowd, i'd say go

1595
01:28:13.399 --> 01:28:15.760
<v Speaker 3>for it. Yeah, that would be nice. I didn't have

1596
01:28:15.760 --> 01:28:19.640
<v Speaker 3>a crowd. I saw a five pm Sean, but I

1597
01:28:19.720 --> 01:28:23.079
<v Speaker 3>saw I really liked it because I have seen the trailers. Yeah, okay,

1598
01:28:23.960 --> 01:28:24.960
<v Speaker 3>did you think I mean what?

1599
01:28:25.439 --> 01:28:25.560
<v Speaker 1>Oh?

1600
01:28:25.840 --> 01:28:27.760
<v Speaker 3>I mean, what does it look like to you? What

1601
01:28:27.880 --> 01:28:31.960
<v Speaker 3>they're doing. Oh, cause I had one in mind, one

1602
01:28:33.000 --> 01:28:37.079
<v Speaker 3>horror movie franchise in mind. That was curious if you

1603
01:28:37.159 --> 01:28:41.600
<v Speaker 3>thought the same thing when you saw the trailer, because,

1604
01:28:41.680 --> 01:28:44.000
<v Speaker 3>like I first, I liked the first movie. I didn't

1605
01:28:44.000 --> 01:28:45.600
<v Speaker 3>love it, but I liked it, and I watched it

1606
01:28:45.680 --> 01:28:47.439
<v Speaker 3>recently just to get it like a fresh mind on it.

1607
01:28:48.079 --> 01:28:51.119
<v Speaker 3>And it's on Peacock. I think I saw it and

1608
01:28:51.199 --> 01:28:52.479
<v Speaker 3>I was like, Okay, this movie is little better than

1609
01:28:52.479 --> 01:28:54.199
<v Speaker 3>I didn't mention it. I saw it. So when I

1610
01:28:54.199 --> 01:28:56.520
<v Speaker 3>saw the trailer for the second one, I wasn't excited

1611
01:28:56.520 --> 01:28:58.039
<v Speaker 3>to see it because I was like, I don't I

1612
01:28:58.119 --> 01:29:00.439
<v Speaker 3>figured the first one ended it. I don't see why

1613
01:29:00.479 --> 01:29:02.680
<v Speaker 3>we need a sequel. And then I saw the trailer,

1614
01:29:02.720 --> 01:29:05.640
<v Speaker 3>I'm like, oh, they're doing their own version of Nightmare

1615
01:29:05.640 --> 01:29:06.199
<v Speaker 3>and arm straight.

1616
01:29:07.760 --> 01:29:09.119
<v Speaker 1>You think that was the first thought.

1617
01:29:09.640 --> 01:29:12.399
<v Speaker 3>I thought you would get that first thought. Also because

1618
01:29:12.479 --> 01:29:15.920
<v Speaker 3>he's like dad haunting the kid and his sister, who

1619
01:29:15.960 --> 01:29:20.840
<v Speaker 3>are like both you know, supernaturally inclined anyway, and because

1620
01:29:20.840 --> 01:29:23.359
<v Speaker 3>they can see and hear more than other regular people,

1621
01:29:23.680 --> 01:29:26.319
<v Speaker 3>and like he's gonna fuck with them in their dreams.

1622
01:29:26.359 --> 01:29:28.479
<v Speaker 3>He literally says something about that in their dreams and

1623
01:29:28.880 --> 01:29:31.239
<v Speaker 3>there's a scene where the little girl in her bed

1624
01:29:31.359 --> 01:29:33.640
<v Speaker 3>gets hurt, and she is getting hurt in real world.

1625
01:29:33.680 --> 01:29:37.079
<v Speaker 3>In real life, they're doing Freddy Kruger. Yeah, but like

1626
01:29:37.600 --> 01:29:41.600
<v Speaker 3>I with a slightly spin on it. That's my first thought.

1627
01:29:42.000 --> 01:29:43.039
<v Speaker 3>I thought you would have the same thought.

1628
01:29:43.079 --> 01:29:44.640
<v Speaker 1>But yeah, I'm okay with that. I'm good with that.

1629
01:29:44.760 --> 01:29:46.399
<v Speaker 3>So I was like, oh, that's what I'm excited to

1630
01:29:46.439 --> 01:29:48.720
<v Speaker 3>see it. So they did a good job. Yes, I

1631
01:29:48.880 --> 01:29:49.720
<v Speaker 3>like it a lot fun.

1632
01:29:49.840 --> 01:29:52.079
<v Speaker 1>Yeah, I want to see it all right.

1633
01:29:52.239 --> 01:30:00.560
<v Speaker 3>On that note, goy come down in seventeen, sixteen, fifteen, fourteen,

1634
01:30:00.920 --> 01:30:08.239
<v Speaker 3>ninety thirteen, twelve, you Lene, okay, go ahead, keep beginning

1635
01:30:08.239 --> 01:30:09.119
<v Speaker 3>of this sip. Okay, cool.

1636
01:30:09.720 --> 01:30:10.560
<v Speaker 1>You like that shit, don't you.

1637
01:30:10.680 --> 01:30:11.039
<v Speaker 3>Mm hmm.

1638
01:30:11.239 --> 01:30:11.920
<v Speaker 1>No, that's a good one.

1639
01:30:12.279 --> 01:30:13.720
<v Speaker 3>That's what he said. Five what do you two?

1640
01:30:15.960 --> 01:30:21.800
<v Speaker 1>Mm hmmm. Armagnac
