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Speaker 2: You know, it's kind of just now hitting me that
Speaker 2: this is the last week of the regular season in
Speaker 2: college basketball. We only have two games left for Louisville
Speaker 2: and we'll be just one after tomorrow. Kentucky they played
Speaker 2: a night taking on LSU, and of course then they'll
Speaker 2: just have their game this weekend as well. So I'm
Speaker 2: looking at tonight's tonight's lineup, if you will, when it
Speaker 2: comes to when it comes to college hoops, and we've
Speaker 2: got some good games. We just started watching the third
Speaker 2: season of a show called called Yellowjackets. My wife and
Speaker 2: I did, and it's great. But like I'm gonna have
Speaker 2: to tell her to night, honey, no, no, no streaming
Speaker 2: our show. We're gonna watch College of Basketball because we
Speaker 2: won't have many You'll have me. You'll have me all
Speaker 2: to yourself for watching any any show you want once
Speaker 2: once college hoops comes to an end. But we've got
Speaker 2: we've got matchups tonight that I'm that I'm interested in.
Speaker 3: Honey.
Speaker 4: She doesn't hate sports like a good sport, no she
Speaker 4: I mean she I mean, honestly, she if I had
Speaker 4: basketball on, she would just assume we weren't watching the
Speaker 4: show like that, you know, I didn't want to.
Speaker 3: So I've got it. I've got it.
Speaker 2: I've got it, pretty, I've got I've got a mate
Speaker 2: with her. But then sometimes she'll say, are you watching
Speaker 2: this or do you want to watch our show? And
Speaker 2: because the TV like stays on basketball really throughout the
Speaker 2: entire season, I usually okay, we can watch the show.
Speaker 2: But tonight, if she asked, I'm gonna have to be
Speaker 2: the guy. Sorry, honey, tonight we've got Auburn and Texas
Speaker 2: A and M at nine.
Speaker 3: How about b YU Iowa State?
Speaker 2: Maybe maybe honey, instead of yellow ackets, could I interest
Speaker 2: you with a little West Coast action.
Speaker 3: Indiana taken on Oregon. What do you think about that? Yeah?
Speaker 3: So yeah, it's gonna make me sad.
Speaker 2: Whenever we get to the end of the actual entire thing,
Speaker 2: meaning when you know, somebody cuts down the nets in
Speaker 2: the final four, because I go through seasonal depression.
Speaker 3: There it is. It's not me banging the hammer because
Speaker 3: I'm gonna be sad. It's there. Back to work over here,
Speaker 3: they said, they said depression, all right.
Speaker 2: I'm gonna guess that is what it was all day Friday,
Speaker 2: That's what it was.
Speaker 3: That's that's okay, all right.
Speaker 2: I would say, because it's been so sporadic that it's
Speaker 2: you know, I'm hopeful that the rest of the way
Speaker 2: here it'll just be that maybe every.
Speaker 3: Now and then, but not like a constant thing yet. No,
Speaker 3: that was constant for hours Friday hours. Yeah, so hopefully
Speaker 3: they've again.
Speaker 2: Anytime that happens, I just completely block out and lose
Speaker 2: my train of thought. But anyways, everybody gets seasonal depression
Speaker 2: whenever it starts getting dark outside early and you know,
Speaker 2: you leave work and by the time you get home,
Speaker 2: like six o'clock, it's again it's already dark, it's cold outside. Like,
Speaker 2: seasonal depression is a real thing. Uh, And you know
Speaker 2: there are places in Alaska that you don't even get
Speaker 2: any daylight for like months throughout the year, and there
Speaker 2: are people there who get drunk and like deal with
Speaker 2: it as best they can, and unfortunately, like there's a
Speaker 2: lot of suicides.
Speaker 3: It's I mean, it's a real thing.
Speaker 2: So I don't want to make light of it, but everybody, like,
Speaker 2: you know, my my favorite time of the year is
Speaker 2: really from like not even just like football season is great,
Speaker 2: like September October, like you know when football gets rolling
Speaker 2: with the NFL and college football, like I love that.
Speaker 2: But for me, like when we get to November up
Speaker 2: until really I guess about you know, marchish like and
Speaker 2: I don't know why, Like I'm very odd because those
Speaker 2: are you know, that's maybe it's because I just enjoy
Speaker 2: the holidays so much. And I don't know, like I've
Speaker 2: read some pretty twisted, pretty twisted stuff that like we'll
Speaker 2: tell even by way you can find you can find
Speaker 2: anything that'll make you believe whatever.
Speaker 3: You want on the internet.
Speaker 2: So it wasn't like, you know, I'm sure I could
Speaker 2: find something that tells me otherwise, but like I've read
Speaker 2: some twisted stuff about what it says about people like
Speaker 2: me who actually prefer that time of the year that
Speaker 2: actually don't mind the cold weather. And you know, it
Speaker 2: might mean that I'm like a sick and twisted son
Speaker 2: of a bitch.
Speaker 3: I don't know, but I'm just being honest with you.
Speaker 2: When we start to see like I'm already seeing the
Speaker 2: warnings about the clocks, like we're having to adjust the clocks,
Speaker 2: is that this weekend the clocks.
Speaker 3: Is it this weekend or next? It's this Sunday. I
Speaker 3: think we spring forward. I don't know if it's Yeah,
Speaker 3: it's coming up.
Speaker 4: And just not too long ago, we were talking about
Speaker 4: the damn groundhog. Yeah, telling us it was what's that
Speaker 4: at the end of January? Yeah, so March ninth, this Sunday. Ok, yeah,
Speaker 4: it says daylight savings time. We'll start at two am
Speaker 4: and we spring forward and lose an hour. But that
Speaker 4: also means that it'll be light a lot longer in
Speaker 4: the evening than it is currently, which makes everybody to me,
Speaker 4: it's not the daylight that makes me sad, but it's
Speaker 4: a reminder that here we go. Like my calendar year
Speaker 4: starts like when football season starts, not January. So once
Speaker 4: we get to the end of college basketball, really Derby
Speaker 4: because because college hoops goes on till like April now
Speaker 4: mid April, and then you've we got Derby season right
Speaker 4: after that. So in a way, like it's really after
Speaker 4: Derby where I'm like, all right, well, here we go.
Speaker 3: Now we have like the.
Speaker 2: Long, seemingly never ending spring and summer months where I
Speaker 2: have to wait until, you know, until we get football
Speaker 2: and then basketball starts, and like that's my happy place.
Speaker 2: Whenever comfortable, like I feel, I feel worthless and I
Speaker 2: have no purpose whenever there's not like the sports that
Speaker 2: I love to just kind of get lost in, which
Speaker 2: you know, probably doesn't say uh much about me as
Speaker 2: far as like my personal life, you know what I mean.
Speaker 2: Like And it's not like I genuinely like become a
Speaker 2: depressed person, but when you think of like certain times
Speaker 2: of the year that hit you where you're like, oh man,
Speaker 2: are we really about to have cold weather again?
Speaker 3: Is it really about to get dark outside?
Speaker 2: Or even kids like, oh man, they're showing the back
Speaker 2: to school commercials, that means summer breaks almost over. Like
Speaker 2: I'm sure everybody at every age has like a time
Speaker 2: of the year that you, you know, you don't.
Speaker 3: Really look forward to.
Speaker 2: For me, it's it's when college basketball ends, and it's
Speaker 2: always been that way.
Speaker 4: I think you need to start embracing baseball a little
Speaker 4: bit more like golf, you know, because a lot of
Speaker 4: people do you and not get that feeling when because
Speaker 4: I was never the biggest golf and I guess I I.
Speaker 2: Mean like playing it or watching it totally different things
Speaker 2: on the TV. See, I don't have to sit down
Speaker 2: and watch it. Brother, I've never watched golf one time
Speaker 2: in my life, I mean masters, I mean no, like
Speaker 2: I've kept like I'll know what's going on because social media.
Speaker 2: I do remember we turned it on. We might have
Speaker 2: been doing Easter at my in laws when Tiger finally
Speaker 2: came back and won the mat like you know he
Speaker 2: did when pople thought he would never do again, right,
Speaker 2: And I remember it was on and it was about
Speaker 2: to happen, and I remember kind of appointment viewing, like hey,
Speaker 2: we got to see this, this is crazy, But like
Speaker 2: I don't, like I've never I've never watched golf on TV.
Speaker 2: And you know, maybe eventually I'll get into it, but
Speaker 2: I don't know. I kind of feel like if I
Speaker 2: was going to, I already would have so I could
Speaker 2: play golf and and that would be fun. And I
Speaker 2: don't a few years ago, I'd never played around a
Speaker 2: golf in my life, and I wouldn't. I mean, I
Speaker 2: just I wouldn't even know. And I still I'm terrible,
Speaker 2: Like if you ever want to go golfing with me,
Speaker 2: like just know like I'm gonna have to not I'm
Speaker 2: probably just gonna have to pick up my ball and
Speaker 2: move on to a different hole because like it'll be
Speaker 2: you know, I'm that bad, but it is.
Speaker 3: But it is fun.
Speaker 2: But what the same thing that you know, I guess
Speaker 2: kept me from playing other sports when I was a
Speaker 2: kid is the same thing as an adult. I'm super
Speaker 2: competitive with myself. So if I suck at something, I'm
Speaker 2: gonna end up getting really really upset while you know,
Speaker 2: not being good at it, and it's just going to
Speaker 2: be a negative spirit experience. And I'm being like, yeah,
Speaker 2: I'm not doing that. Yeah, that's why I picked up
Speaker 2: a basketball when I was a kid kind of felt
Speaker 2: like Okay, I like this, I can.
Speaker 3: Maybe do this, and then I never play anything else.
Speaker 4: It's just like around these times. I don't know, maybe
Speaker 4: I've just associated with it because I was that kid.
Speaker 4: That's like when the tournament's coming up. It's March, we're
Speaker 4: just about two months away from school being out.
Speaker 3: Of course you got the tournament, and.
Speaker 4: Then like what I associate that with because you're we're
Speaker 4: usually watching CBS for March madness. Well, that's when you
Speaker 4: start to see the Master's commercials and they start to
Speaker 4: show like Augusta and like that whole uh, all the
Speaker 4: commercials and the nice soothing music and where it's it's
Speaker 4: the changing of the seasons. And I've always liked that. So,
Speaker 4: you know, even though I've hated watching golf, I've started
Speaker 4: to embrace it a little bit well.
Speaker 2: And it is like it's clearly popular and it's it's
Speaker 2: the one. And I'm sure, you know, others will disagree
Speaker 2: with that and disagree with this, and that's fine, But
Speaker 2: when it comes to, like, you know, doing this with
Speaker 2: this job, is golf's to me the only sport that
Speaker 2: I genuinely need to know more than I know. And
Speaker 2: at times it's a real like it's not a real issue,
Speaker 2: but I mean it would be better for me and
Speaker 2: for this show if I was at least a little
Speaker 2: bit dangerous when it comes to being able to, you know,
Speaker 2: talk about the sport.
Speaker 3: I don't know anything about it.
Speaker 2: Yeah, but other than that, like I don't know anything about hockey,
Speaker 2: don matter baseball, believe it or not, Like that doesn't
Speaker 2: like baseball is not a talk radio topic, like if
Speaker 2: it isn't like if you're in a market where you
Speaker 2: have a team, they're going to keep up with it
Speaker 2: for sure, and they're going to discuss, you know, what's
Speaker 2: going on with like their team as far as transactions,
Speaker 2: but the sport itself. Even in big markets, they may
Speaker 2: be discussing the team, they're not discussing the sport, if
Speaker 2: that makes sense. They're not discussing, you know, like what's
Speaker 2: happening in the nine inning games.
Speaker 3: So yeah, golf is something.
Speaker 2: That at least I can play it now and have
Speaker 2: some fun there here and there. But as far as
Speaker 2: watching it, like when you because people tell me they
Speaker 2: enjoy getting on the on the couch or the recliner
Speaker 2: on a Sunday and watching the Masters or watching you know,
Speaker 2: one of the big tournaments, and they enjoy falling asleep
Speaker 2: and then waking up and seeing like you know, where
Speaker 2: things are. And I'm like, if you look for or
Speaker 2: to falling asleep while it's on, you don't watch.
Speaker 3: It, Like what are you talking about? Like I don't,
Speaker 3: I don't, I don't get it.
Speaker 2: So anyways, I'm gonna make the most of what we
Speaker 2: have left here of college basketball season. And by the way,
Speaker 2: just a reminder, since we're talking about the daylight savings time,
Speaker 2: it says sleep experts advise going to bed fifteen to
Speaker 2: twenty minutes earlier in waking up fifteen to twenty minutes
Speaker 2: earlier every day this week until Sunday, so it can
Speaker 2: help ease the adjustment.
Speaker 3: I don't think it's not I don't think we need
Speaker 3: to do that. I mean, am I the only person
Speaker 3: that like the amount of sleep.
Speaker 2: I get every night always varies, Like I mean, you
Speaker 2: and I probably are the same as far as like
Speaker 2: we don't tell ourselves got to be in bed at
Speaker 2: this time? But my range is anywhere between. Like if
Speaker 2: I if I'm in bed before eleven, it's either because
Speaker 2: I'm sick, or it's because I.
Speaker 3: Had a long day or I'm hammered, which I guess
Speaker 3: would technically not be in bed. That'd be me passing
Speaker 3: out right.
Speaker 2: And if I'm if I'm in bed past one thirty
Speaker 2: in the morning, that's like, all right, you stayed up
Speaker 2: way too late.
Speaker 3: So like I got, I got a two hourish.
Speaker 2: Range where anywhere between, Like I'll be honest with you,
Speaker 2: pre midnight's even rare for me now, like between midnight
Speaker 2: and one am is usually when I lay down and
Speaker 2: go to bed and when I get up. I guess
Speaker 2: during the week and that's the thing. I'm pretty like
Speaker 2: my like my daughter's got to be at daycare. My
Speaker 2: daughter's got to be at school by eight thirty, and
Speaker 2: my son has to be at daycare by nine thirty.
Speaker 2: So sometimes I get up at five, Sometimes I get
Speaker 2: up at seven. Sometimes I get up, you know, at eight,
Speaker 2: you know, like it really totally varies. Although I don't
Speaker 2: try to sleep that late because if I do, then
Speaker 2: I'm really crunched for time to even get them where
Speaker 2: they need to be on times.
Speaker 3: So and by the way, I.
Speaker 2: Do miss having like more structure, Like I'm all over
Speaker 2: the place with everything, and it's because I can be
Speaker 2: you know what I'm saying, because I don't have to
Speaker 2: get up at a certain time, because I don't have
Speaker 2: to be somewhere at a certain time, like it it's
Speaker 2: you know, your own boss.
Speaker 3: Yeah, And there's benefits to that.
Speaker 2: But also, like I know, I'd be more productive, like
Speaker 2: if I, like when I got up at five point
Speaker 2: thirty every day to come and do the show when
Speaker 2: I was on at seven am, right, I had a
Speaker 2: little bit more organization, a little bit more structure, because
Speaker 2: like sure it was I had to be I needed
Speaker 2: to be embedded a certain time. I had to get
Speaker 2: up at a certain time. Now it's just kind of
Speaker 2: you know. And again it's I'm sure people are listening, like, man,
Speaker 2: you got it made. What are you complaining about?
Speaker 3: And you're right.
Speaker 2: But I am someone that just knows myself well enough
Speaker 2: to know that with the freedom, that leads to me
Speaker 2: not being as productive as I probably could and should be.
Speaker 2: But yes, for mind, to everybody, we will lose an
Speaker 2: hour of sleep. But I would assume that'll be something
Speaker 2: most folks are okay with because again, we're getting warmer
Speaker 2: weather on the way, we're getting spring, and look, I
Speaker 2: enjoy I don't want to act like I'm some miserable
Speaker 2: person during times when it's nice outside. There's some great
Speaker 2: perks to like beautiful weather and whatnot. But you know,
Speaker 2: when it comes to sports, like I just I got
Speaker 2: I got nothing for baseball and even the NBA. Now,
Speaker 2: like I don't, I mean, I just, I mean, I
Speaker 2: tell myself every year, okay, well, now I'll try to
Speaker 2: get in the NBA again, and I usually don't, although
Speaker 2: I did watch the NBA the other night because my
Speaker 2: son he's all into it now, he's got two k
Speaker 2: on his PlayStation and he's he's loving it. So we
Speaker 2: watched the Clippers and the Lakers play, and it was
Speaker 2: the first time that I actually sat down and watched,
Speaker 2: like you know, I wasn't just on my phone like
Speaker 2: I was watching.
Speaker 3: I think I watched like two and a half quarters.
Speaker 3: And I mean it.
Speaker 2: Wasn't like you know, as you're seen entertaining. I didn't
Speaker 2: bet on anybody, so I didn't have any preference as
Speaker 2: far as what happened.
Speaker 3: But it was, you know, it was I'll.
Speaker 2: Put it this way, is exactly the product of NBA basketball,
Speaker 2: at least in that instance, was better than I was
Speaker 2: expecting it to be. So there's you know, there's that
Speaker 2: speaking of the NBA real quick, We'll move on and
Speaker 2: get back into, you know, things you probably care about,
Speaker 2: because I'm sure you don't care about my sleep habits
Speaker 2: and my schedule or anything like that.
Speaker 3: I do.
Speaker 2: But could things have gone worse for the Mavericks since
Speaker 2: they traded Lukadanca? No, did you see Kyrie irvings out
Speaker 2: for the year with torn acl.
Speaker 3: Yep, I watched it or I saw it social media
Speaker 3: on for yeah. I mean like that's I mean, when
Speaker 3: it rains, it pours.
Speaker 4: If only they would have had a non injury riddled
Speaker 4: center that they traded their generational franchise player.
Speaker 2: Well, and Colin Cowhert said it best the other day,
Speaker 2: when you trade somebody like Luca and you know you're
Speaker 2: getting somebody that is a lot like Anthony Davis, a
Speaker 2: good player, but he's a lot older than Luca, and
Speaker 2: of course he's you know, he's injury prone, which means
Speaker 2: in any moment, like he could have an injury and
Speaker 2: never play again. That's a I mean, I doubt that happens,
Speaker 2: Hoby doesn't happen. But the fact that they made this
Speaker 2: trade and didn't include any like future lottery picks, future
Speaker 2: first round picks, protected picks, yeah, like future assets. I mean,
Speaker 2: it's malpractice. So right now they don't control their own
Speaker 2: first round draft picks in twenty twenty seven, twenty twenty eight,
Speaker 2: twenty twenty nine, and twenty thirty, so they've got two
Speaker 2: drafts coming up. And again if they're competing, which again,
Speaker 2: they made this move because I guess they feel.
Speaker 3: Like they can win now. I mean, they've got old.
Speaker 2: I mean again, these guys aren't ancient, but Klay Thompson
Speaker 2: is old. For an NBA player. Anthony Davis is on
Speaker 2: the older side, he's certainly not young, and Kyrie Irving
Speaker 2: is a little bit younger. In fact, No, Kyrie's older
Speaker 2: than Ad, isn't he.
Speaker 3: Yeah.
Speaker 2: Yeah, So like they're like they're trying to win now,
Speaker 2: Therefore these picks they do have in two thousand and five,
Speaker 2: this year and next year in twenty twenty six, two thousand,
Speaker 2: twenty five and twenty six, if they're if they're competing
Speaker 2: like they want to, they're gonna get bad picks.
Speaker 3: They're not gonna get early picks.
Speaker 2: They're not gonna get lottery picks, right because they're gonna
Speaker 2: be if their goal.
Speaker 3: Like this just made no sense at all.
Speaker 2: And they also, I mean again, like you can't make
Speaker 2: this stuff up, Like this is one of those things
Speaker 2: where you start to think, like are they like are
Speaker 2: they trying to sabotage themselves?
Speaker 3: Is this you know? Is this? Uh?
Speaker 2: Is this part of some like bigger plan to where
Speaker 2: they and like maybe the team gets sold or something
Speaker 2: like that, because this just seems almost unreal. But they
Speaker 2: have increased their ticket prices wow for next year, Like
Speaker 2: they're telling all these season ticket holders whenever you whenever
Speaker 2: you you know, whenever you end up renewing your tickets.
Speaker 2: If you do, it's gonna be more expensive. Yeah, they're
Speaker 2: just this is this is let's see where did this
Speaker 2: come from? Might have been one of the beat writers.
Speaker 2: And this is MAVs Film Room dot com. It's a
Speaker 2: website who covers the MAVs. They have been documenting this
Speaker 2: disastrous pr run for the Mavericks. Uh, and they've decided
Speaker 2: to again raise their ticket prices eight percent for next season.
Speaker 2: So and they've told their uh, they told their fans
Speaker 2: they're doing it so they can quote invest in the team.
Speaker 2: And I mean what I mean it's Anthony Davis gets
Speaker 2: hurt as soon as he gets traded after one good
Speaker 2: game and he's still out.
Speaker 3: Now Kyrie's out for the year.
Speaker 2: Uh, there's no In fact, I think even one of
Speaker 2: their it might have It wasn't their GM, Nico, but
Speaker 2: it was. And by the way, he's now a known
Speaker 2: name because of this deal. Right, like a lot of people,
Speaker 2: myself included, didn't really know who their GM was just
Speaker 2: because I don't keep up with it and I don't care.
Speaker 2: But now I know who he is because he's the
Speaker 2: guy that I now will remember that made this trade.
Speaker 2: That phone in absolutely backfired. But yeah, they've got one
Speaker 2: of their one of their owners. You know, at least
Speaker 2: did acknowledge. And it's not worth much, but at least
Speaker 2: it's it's some acknowledgment that, yeah, they they.
Speaker 3: Were a little bit, they were a little bit.
Speaker 2: They knew they would be some pushback, but not to
Speaker 2: the extent of what they've heard from their own fans
Speaker 2: as far as like, yeah, this was a disaster. I mean,
Speaker 2: got to keep in mind, like there's younger fans of
Speaker 2: the Mavericks that like Luca was the guy, right, Like
Speaker 2: they didn't see good Dirk, right, they were all.
Speaker 3: In on Luca. Who you know was I mean.
Speaker 2: It it's obvious that he isn't a great defensive player
Speaker 2: and he did not have it wasn't a good look
Speaker 2: for him in the finals last year where Jalen Brown
Speaker 2: just you know, abused him, but like he still was
Speaker 2: the biggest factor in how you were able to get
Speaker 2: to the NBA finals. And you know, even if I
Speaker 2: just I doubt there's gonna be anything that happens where
Speaker 2: Dallas will be able to look back and say we
Speaker 2: made the right decision here. Right, because if if Luca
Speaker 2: wins titles in LA, it won't just be because of him.
Speaker 2: He's still got Lebron, I mean, like you know, and
Speaker 2: that won't be clearly they'll get made fun of, as
Speaker 2: they should, but that won't be used as like, well
Speaker 2: that means that it failed for you, but like they're
Speaker 2: gonna need to win titles and that's not happening, like
Speaker 2: they're gonna be rebuilding now like they are. They're old
Speaker 2: as it is, and they don't get I just I
Speaker 2: the more I think about the beginning of this whole thing,
Speaker 2: where it randomly happened overnight, right like it was after
Speaker 2: that Kentucky Arkansas game, and you're up late scrolling social
Speaker 2: media and you see Sham's tweet and think maybe he
Speaker 2: got hacked, and then you realize no, in fact, it's real,
Speaker 2: and really every step of the way since then, you
Speaker 2: still can't make any sense of it, and it almost
Speaker 2: doesn't even tem real, but it is real. All right,
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Speaker 3: This text says, Nick, is this the first year.
Speaker 2: They've decided to not let all ACC members get into
Speaker 2: the ACC Tournament? I don't remember that happening before. Yes,
Speaker 2: because of the expansion, the ACC Tournament this year will
Speaker 2: not include all eighteen members because you had fifteen because
Speaker 2: notre names in for basketball but not football, and then
Speaker 2: you added SMU Cal and Stanford. So yeah, there's eighteen
Speaker 2: basketball members and let me see here, I think there's
Speaker 2: is that?
Speaker 3: Yeah?
Speaker 2: They only allow Yeah, so only the top fourteen teams
Speaker 2: get in. So I be honest with you, I don't
Speaker 2: really like I mean, I don't know. I heard Pat
Speaker 2: Kelsey talking about a little bit earlier today on the
Speaker 2: ACC teleconference, and I mean I get why they do
Speaker 2: it because there's so many teams now and you know,
Speaker 2: logistically it would be harder to do, but I don't know, Like,
Speaker 2: I feel like you should be able to play in
Speaker 2: the conference tournament regardless, because that's part of the experience,
Speaker 2: and you you know, you don't have the ability to
Speaker 2: even go on a cinder like if in C State
Speaker 2: would have been you know, if what happened with NC
Speaker 2: State last year, it wouldn't even be possible this year
Speaker 2: because they wouldn't even make the tournament. Lowell of course
Speaker 2: wouldn't have made it, which I would have had no
Speaker 2: problem with that. I feel like during the Kiney Payne air,
Speaker 2: I think a lot of people over at UVEL would
Speaker 2: have been fine.
Speaker 3: Which just you know, yeah, no thanks.
Speaker 2: We don't want to waste our time and waste our
Speaker 2: money and our resources to make this trip because we
Speaker 2: all know what's going to happen. So yeah, this is
Speaker 2: the first year, and you know, I don't agree with it,
Speaker 2: but I'm sure there's you know, there's a lot that
Speaker 2: goes in and then making that decision. And I guess, look,
Speaker 2: if you are fifteen, sixteen, seventeen, or eighteen in the ACC,
Speaker 2: the likelihood of you winning the league is I mean
Speaker 2: pretty non I mean non existent as far as like
Speaker 2: any chance.
Speaker 3: Of that happening.
Speaker 2: And I know NC State did it, but like even
Speaker 2: n C State was probably you know, this year, let
Speaker 2: me look, let me just look at who is not eligible.
Speaker 3: For because I know, I think Miami.
Speaker 2: Yeah, right now, Miami is officially out, and then you've got, gosh,
Speaker 2: it's going to be I mean, this is nobody cares
Speaker 2: because again we're talking about the bottom of the league.
Speaker 2: But right now you've got it looks to be two
Speaker 2: teams for sure that are not going to three teams
Speaker 2: for sure that are not gonna make it. And that's Miami,
Speaker 2: Boston College, and NC State. And then as far as
Speaker 2: who ends up getting the fourteenth spot, it's gonna come
Speaker 2: down to some type of tiebreaker, I would imagine because
Speaker 2: Notre Dame californ Notre Dame cal and Syracuse are all
Speaker 2: six and twelve, which that that they're all tied for
Speaker 2: that I guess, you know, fifteenth spot essentially that, you know,
Speaker 2: that's where it starts. That's where you get cut off.
Speaker 2: All right, look back, let's go back to the text line.
Speaker 2: This text says, Nick, you mentioned yesterday that you think
Speaker 2: Chucky Hepburn is the best Louisville basketball player since Russ Smith.
Speaker 2: Who would you say are the best Louisville players from
Speaker 2: the two thousands, twenty tens, in twenty twenties. I mean
Speaker 2: you're asking for like a top three, top five.
Speaker 3: I mean, that'd be that'd.
Speaker 2: Be kind of tough to do, I think. But as
Speaker 2: far as the two thousands, so we're talking like two thousand, all,
Speaker 2: I mean, you got to start with Reece Gaines just
Speaker 2: because I mean he was He's one of the.
Speaker 3: Better players to ever play here.
Speaker 2: Reese is one of those guys that a lot of
Speaker 2: people remember him because he played two for Denny, two
Speaker 2: for Rick. He was a big part of you know,
Speaker 2: he was very successful obviously in the last two years
Speaker 2: of Denny whenever things weren't going well, and obviously when
Speaker 2: Rick was able to get things rolling pretty early, Reese
Speaker 2: was really good in that first year with Rick, and
Speaker 2: then in his second year that team was really good
Speaker 2: and they just ended up losing. They lose in the
Speaker 2: first round of the second round. I know they lost
Speaker 2: to Butler, and it was it was before Butler became
Speaker 2: you know, the Butler with Brad Stevens. So I man,
Speaker 2: I love that team at Marvin Stone who transferred in
Speaker 2: and didn't become eligible until the until like midway through
Speaker 2: the season. So I would say, Ree Gaines, Taekwondne, Francisco Garcia. Right,
Speaker 2: we're talking like because again I'm just rolling. I'm going through,
Speaker 2: like if you're gonna tell me, just all right, let's
Speaker 2: do this. Let's have some fun with this. Let's do
Speaker 2: so top five for top five for Louisville in the
Speaker 2: two thousands, I'm going and I'm not doing like by position, right,
Speaker 2: Like I can just tick pick five, right, just five guys,
Speaker 2: Reese Cisco, Dean t.
Speaker 3: Will Earl Clark.
Speaker 4: Okay, I mean you could probably subor ol'clark for well,
Speaker 4: I was about to say, maybe could you submor ol'
Speaker 4: clark for someone like David Paget or since David wasn't
Speaker 4: here for that long?
Speaker 3: Well he was here, he played three years, and I
Speaker 3: just I thought it was two. Well you know better
Speaker 3: than I do. Yeah, I mean I don't know like that.
Speaker 2: I think the honestly, the fifth one is where it
Speaker 2: would be a little tough, Yeah, because.
Speaker 3: I think it's like that list.
Speaker 2: Yeah, I mean, so we're talking two thousand to two
Speaker 2: thousand and nine, like what I mean back in that day,
Speaker 2: of course, guys there was no portal and Louisville didn't
Speaker 2: have anybody.
Speaker 3: He ever leave after one or two years to go
Speaker 3: to the NBA. It was usually so.
Speaker 2: Yeah, I mean, I think that's the list, And honestly,
Speaker 2: I'm tempted to put and again it's are we talking
Speaker 2: like had the best careers or guys that I just
Speaker 2: feel like we're the best players. I think the latter, yeah,
Speaker 2: because if I'm going best players, that's what I would
Speaker 2: go with. But honestly, like Ellis Miles had a phenomenal
Speaker 2: career and story, and you know, I would put him
Speaker 2: in that in that conversation. I mean, I'm trying to think.
Speaker 2: I feel like there's somebody that I'm blanking on from
Speaker 2: the two thousands. So again we're talking to basically two
Speaker 2: thousand to two thousand and nine, and then we'll go
Speaker 2: two thousand and ten to two thousand and nineteen and
Speaker 2: then twenty twenty until now. Sure, so that's the five.
Speaker 2: But Larry, oh, even like Larry had a great career. Yeah,
Speaker 2: David Paget is somebody that I I mean, I'm close
Speaker 2: to putting him ahead of Clark because Earl was good.
Speaker 2: But as we talked about last week, Earl was, I mean,
Speaker 2: to me, Earl like Earl could do what Earl was
Speaker 2: going to do in Louisville, would I mean, there's no
Speaker 2: way to say it without sound like I'm crushing Earl,
Speaker 2: But like I think t what was way more talented
Speaker 2: and way more impactful for that era that that that two.
Speaker 3: Three year run. But Earl was certainly very talented.
Speaker 2: But like Ellis Miles was a guy who was the
Speaker 2: leader as a post player for that two thousand and
Speaker 2: five Final four team, and man, he was a vocal leader.
Speaker 2: I mean, he's got a triple double on his resume.
Speaker 2: He wasn't And by the way, you know, no offense
Speaker 2: to Ellis, but like he wasn't super talented. Like he's
Speaker 2: not even in the conversation as far as like who
Speaker 2: was the best player, as far as like, man, that
Speaker 2: guy was just exceptional. We don't get many of those
Speaker 2: kind of guys around here, but he had a great
Speaker 2: career and was such a factor in that final four run.
Speaker 2: So but I'll stick with my original five and man
Speaker 2: going through two thou I mean, if I can only
Speaker 2: pick five from twenty ten on.
Speaker 4: You just picked the national championship team, Yeah, I mean,
Speaker 4: I'll go Russ Pay, Gorgie Luke, and then I'll throw
Speaker 4: Jordan Warr in there.
Speaker 3: Jordan.
Speaker 2: I'm gonna put Jordan in the twenty twenties because technically
Speaker 2: his career ended in twenty twenties, so he can count
Speaker 2: towards that.
Speaker 3: Jenny. That's that's fine. Yeah, I mean.
Speaker 2: I would go, Man, this is tough because again and
Speaker 2: I keep I keep mixing the criteria, but we're talking
Speaker 2: about just dudes that I'm like, Okay, we were really
Speaker 2: really lucky to have him. He's really really special. I'm going, obviously,
Speaker 2: Russ Smith, I'm going.
Speaker 3: I'm going.
Speaker 2: I feel like I'm gonna get in trouble for not
Speaker 2: putting somebody like I want to put everybody from that
Speaker 2: twenty thirteen title team because they want to freaking title.
Speaker 3: They went to back to back Donald.
Speaker 2: Fourth, right, But I also think even though these guys
Speaker 2: didn't like Montres Harrald is one of the most liken like.
Speaker 3: Montrez to me, is one of the best talents we've
Speaker 3: ever had at Loewid.
Speaker 2: Like he was on the title team of course as
Speaker 2: a freshman, came off the bench, he played three years,
Speaker 2: was really good as a sophomore, really good as a junior.
Speaker 2: I mean, Tres went Championship, Sweet sixteen, Elite eight, so
Speaker 2: like he played for really good teams and he was
Speaker 2: a factor on all those teams, especially in his sophomore
Speaker 2: and junior year. And we are the doctors of dunk right,
Speaker 2: Like that's what they like that the eighties, that's when
Speaker 2: Louisville basketball really made a name for itself and really
Speaker 2: established itself as a premier program in the sport. We
Speaker 2: kept stats of dunks before a lot of programs did.
Speaker 2: And Montrez Harrold breaking that record and shattering every dunk
Speaker 2: record that's out there for dunks, and a season like
Speaker 2: James Scott, he's on his way to, you know, putting
Speaker 2: himself in second place, but everybody is going to be
Speaker 2: fighting for second place when it comes to dunks because
Speaker 2: of Trez and Tres was I mean, he had a motor.
Speaker 2: You couldn't coach, like, I gotta put Tres in the
Speaker 2: top five. Okay, I mean I'm going Trez And this
Speaker 2: is not an order.
Speaker 3: Right, No, not an any order.
Speaker 2: Okay, oh man, because because you know who else I
Speaker 2: feel like, as far as talent and this is a
Speaker 2: guy that was only here to really do it for
Speaker 2: one year, as far as just really you know, being special,
Speaker 2: Terry Rozier was.
Speaker 3: Really really good, Yeah, really really good. Yeah.
Speaker 2: Like put it this way, Donovan played here two years,
Speaker 2: was good and ended up getting drafted. Rozier was a
Speaker 2: better player at Louisville than Donovan was. Sure, Now, Donovan
Speaker 2: Mitchell is a legend now in the NBA. I mean
Speaker 2: he's I mean, I mean he he is the best
Speaker 2: in modern era. Like Griff was great. Griff had a
Speaker 2: better NBA career than most people realize. Donovan's already become
Speaker 2: the best former Louisville player as a pro since west Unseld.
Speaker 3: I mean, like, he's he's that special.
Speaker 2: So but we're talking at Louisville, like how good they
Speaker 2: were at Louisville And by the way, we were spoiled.
Speaker 2: There were so many good players like but Donovan, to me,
Speaker 2: wouldn't be on it. Like and by the way Terry
Speaker 2: O's ear, I think this is the This is like
Speaker 2: the most impressive thing I can share with you about
Speaker 2: Terry that will really make you real if you're somebody
Speaker 2: thinking like he was good, But man, I kind of
Speaker 2: forget about him. One you forget about him because he
Speaker 2: was a backup whenever. He was a freshman on that
Speaker 2: twenty fourteen team that lost to Kentucky in the Sweet sixteen.
Speaker 2: It was the next year in twenty fifteen when Rosier
Speaker 2: became the guy. It was the Tres and Rosier show.
Speaker 2: And Terry broke a record that ended up getting vacated
Speaker 2: because of the I mean they wiped it from the
Speaker 2: record books because of the NT doua. But Terry broke
Speaker 2: the record for most points scored in a single season
Speaker 2: as a sophomore in program history. And I remember looking
Speaker 2: at all the players because a lot of guys made
Speaker 2: big jumps from freshman a sophomore under Rick. But with Terry,
Speaker 2: like he broke the record that was set by I
Speaker 2: might have been one of the mc cray brothers that
Speaker 2: had a really big sophomore season as far as just
Speaker 2: scored a ton of points. So all right, I'm back,
Speaker 2: I'm getting back on track here again. I'm going I'm
Speaker 2: going Russ Smith, I'm going Mandres Harrel, I'm going Terry Roseier,
Speaker 2: I'm going Peyton Siva, Okay, and then my fifth one,
Speaker 2: I gotta I gotta go Gorgy. Sure, So again I
Speaker 2: left off Donovan Mitchell, and I feel like he's the
Speaker 2: big he's the But again, people with you know, because
Speaker 2: of the title team, some people would say Luke, you know,
Speaker 2: Luke was great, absolutely great, but like I don't think
Speaker 2: he was as far as just best player, Like everybody
Speaker 2: wishes they had this guy because he's that special. You're right,
Speaker 2: I'm going those five, and I still feel like I'm
Speaker 2: I'm missing somebody that like was really really good in
Speaker 2: that era, that that would be ahead.
Speaker 3: Of those five.
Speaker 2: But again, Peyton and Peyton and Russ, those are the
Speaker 2: two of the best guards I've ever had here. They
Speaker 2: happened to play together and they were sensational.
Speaker 3: Again, I think.
Speaker 2: Terry was just really really special as far as a talent,
Speaker 2: even though it was for one year. Gorgy, I mean,
Speaker 2: Gorgy was great. Gorgy was really the glue to those teams. Yeah,
Speaker 2: and Gorgey was such a consistent guy too, and he
Speaker 2: didn't I mean, he was could pass it, had great touch,
Speaker 2: rim protector didn't.
Speaker 3: He blocked a lot of shots, pop out and shot three. Yeah.
Speaker 2: So and then again, I think, you know, nobody would
Speaker 2: say Trez is not a really good player, because anybody
Speaker 2: that that would say that would.
Speaker 3: Just be, you know, a fool.
Speaker 2: But I feel like Trez is gonna be one of
Speaker 2: those guys that won't, for some reason, won't quite get
Speaker 2: remembered for being as good as he actually was. And
Speaker 2: I don't know if that's because I don't know why,
Speaker 2: but I just don't feel like people meant like Montrez.
Speaker 3: Harald was unstoppable at times.
Speaker 2: And I know on the scoreboard his dunks counted for
Speaker 2: two points like everybody else, but man, he would dunk
Speaker 2: it and it would flip a game because of he
Speaker 2: was a monster like he would his his dunks were
Speaker 2: worth two points and a lot of momentum in a
Speaker 2: lot of instances. So that would be the five I'm
Speaker 2: going with. We'll take our final break here in the
Speaker 2: four o'clock hour, and then we'll wrap up. I'll give
Speaker 2: you we've only had really four seasons five seasons. I
Speaker 2: guess technically of the twenty twenties, and I think it's
Speaker 2: pretty clear, but yeah, i'll give you my five as
Speaker 2: far as from twenty twenty on, stick around right here
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Speaker 2: So if you are just now joining us, A good
Speaker 2: question that came in on the text line. We were
Speaker 2: talking about Chucky. I think he's the best player that's
Speaker 2: played at Louisville since Russ Smith, which is saying a lot.
Speaker 2: So somebody on the text line asked who I think
Speaker 2: the best players are in the twenty tens. I'm sorry,
Speaker 2: the two thousands, two thousand and twenty nine, the twenty tens,
Speaker 2: twenty ten to twenty nineteen, and then twenty twenty on.
Speaker 2: We did the the two thousand and the two thousands,
Speaker 2: I went with Rees Gains Taekwondne, Francisco Garcia, Earl Clark,
Speaker 2: and Terrence Williams. I just did five, and then in
Speaker 2: the twenty tens, I went with Russ Smith, Peyton Siva,
Speaker 2: Terry Rozier, Montrez Harrell and Gorgi Jang. And yes, I
Speaker 2: did leave Donovan Mitchell off. And it's not because he
Speaker 2: wasn't good, But I just think Donovan being such a
Speaker 2: great pro I think has made people realize that he
Speaker 2: wasn't quite as good as you might have expected during
Speaker 2: his time and loll he was still good clearly. And
Speaker 2: then from twenty twenty on, I would go Jordan Warra
Speaker 2: because he was really good, like I know he had
Speaker 2: They didn't call it this publicly, but Mack would always
Speaker 2: I mean he had resting bitch face. I mean, Jordan
Speaker 2: looked like he was pouting. Jordan looked like he didn't care.
Speaker 2: He looked he had resting bitch face. Yeah, and bad
Speaker 2: body language and that you know, he wasn't to my knowledge,
Speaker 2: he was. He wasn't a bad guy at all. I
Speaker 2: mean I got to know him a little bit. It's
Speaker 2: just he had a look on his face like he
Speaker 2: smelled a farder. He was mad, you know, And I
Speaker 2: think it made people whenever he didn't have a good game,
Speaker 2: like they just he took a lot of heat. And
Speaker 2: I guess and sometimes it was because he didn't have
Speaker 2: big games against big opponents, and that was clearly a
Speaker 2: thing people remembered. But he was really good, like he
Speaker 2: could score it and he could shoot it like he
Speaker 2: was good range. Yeah, and so I would go with him.
Speaker 2: And then after that it's car Leak and man, where
Speaker 2: do we go from there? I mean Chucky for Chucky
Speaker 2: for sure, but then I mean I gotta go with
Speaker 2: guys on. I mean again, it's two thousand and five
Speaker 2: right now, and we had two years where man, like
Speaker 2: really three years, to be honest with you, so Max
Speaker 2: last year as well as Max last year, as well
Speaker 2: as the two years with Kenny, Like, I don't you
Speaker 2: can't put anybody in there. So I would go Carly, Chucky, Jordan,
Speaker 2: and I'm I mean, I'll be honest with you, I'm
Speaker 2: throwing Rain Smith in there. I mean some people will say, well,
Speaker 2: he's just a shooter, Okay, yeah, but he's really good
Speaker 2: and effective, and I mean Rain's one of those guys
Speaker 2: for me that it's a reminder that when you are
Speaker 2: a really really good shooter, that doesn't mean that you're
Speaker 2: not a good player. Like you can be a really
Speaker 2: good player and it's because you're a good shooter, not
Speaker 2: one way or the other. Like when people act like
Speaker 2: Rain some big liability, he's not making.
Speaker 3: Shots get him off the floor.
Speaker 2: He's so good of a shooter, you leave him on
Speaker 2: the floor and you continue to let him shoot it
Speaker 2: as many times as he wants, Like he's not this
Speaker 2: one dimensional guy.
Speaker 3: Well it's not his night. Let's take him out.
Speaker 2: And he's and he's way better at other things than
Speaker 2: people realize, Like he's got good vision, he's I mean,
Speaker 2: he understands spacing. He's almost kind of like a mini
Speaker 2: point guard because his movement without the ball helps space
Speaker 2: everybody else out. So, I mean, I've always been irritated
Speaker 2: by people acting like, well, Rain, he's not a good players,
Speaker 2: just a shooter. Well, no, he's a really good player.
Speaker 2: But what makes him such a good player is his
Speaker 2: ability to shoot it better than really anybody I've seen
Speaker 2: around here in a long time. Like Rain Smith this
Speaker 2: season as we speak, is averaging fourteen points per game
Speaker 2: and shooting forty percent from three. Like, that's a really
Speaker 2: good player, regardless if it's just because.
Speaker 3: Of shooting or not. And then honestly, the other one.
Speaker 4: Go Dwayne Sutton. Maybe Steven Enoch has forgotten now, but
Speaker 4: I mean when we're from when we're talking about twenty
Speaker 4: twenty two on, it's a very dark area.
Speaker 3: Yeah, I mean, I.
Speaker 2: Don't know, Like David Johnson was pretty good, but I
Speaker 2: don't I don't know. This is Recncy biased, but and
Speaker 2: I don't mean just because of the current season. It's
Speaker 2: also recently Recncy biased because of how well he's played lately.
Speaker 3: But I'd probably put.
Speaker 2: Javon Hadley there, sure, Yeah, Like is he better than
Speaker 2: Dwayne Sutton? I don't know, you know, is is he
Speaker 2: better than I mean, is he even better than Terrence Edwards?
Speaker 3: You know what I mean? Like, I don't know. So
Speaker 3: you could definitely add some players from.
Speaker 2: It's harder, Yeah, it's harder to do the twenty twenties
Speaker 2: because of the three seasons that are just, you know,
Speaker 2: ones we would like to wipe from our memory all together.
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