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Speaker 2: Thank good enough to do and everybody welcome to Eye
Speaker 2: on the Ball here on Fox Sports fourteen fifty. I'm
Speaker 2: Steve Rivera and with me today is Blake Eager. He
Speaker 2: ever shows up a little late here at three o'clock,
Speaker 2: I'm gonna have to make him run some laps because
Speaker 2: he's late.
Speaker 3: He's always kind of late, but.
Speaker 2: Today he's really late because I'm the other one in here.
Speaker 2: But we're gonna talk a lot about the draft today.
Speaker 2: He starts in two hours from now. Carter Bryant likely
Speaker 2: to go in the top twelve, maybe top ten. We'll
Speaker 2: see what happens, and then maybe Caleb Love maybe by
Speaker 2: the end of the night. I'm sure by the end
Speaker 2: of the night we'll know where he'll be as a
Speaker 2: free agent, for sure. Because runs the draft is over,
Speaker 2: the ones that don't get drafted gets picked up pretty
Speaker 2: quickly by by teams, you know. So so we'll see
Speaker 2: what happens there. And I see the bankers here, but
Speaker 2: now there's no one to get him at the door.
Speaker 3: We'll see what happens.
Speaker 2: So here we are on Wednesday, already Wednesday, midweek, so
Speaker 2: we'll have let me tell you who.
Speaker 3: We have a pretty good guest list here today.
Speaker 2: We have Jason Gardner, former you of a guard from
Speaker 2: the good old days, the nighte in two thousand and
Speaker 2: two and one Final four National Championship team, the Ironman guy.
Speaker 2: He'll be here at three seventeen, and then and then
Speaker 2: Corey Williams at four seventeen, a guy who's been through this,
Speaker 2: the ropes of being not drafted, but you know through
Speaker 2: what my Caleb Love might be going through at the
Speaker 2: end of the day.
Speaker 3: You know, a guy who was I think.
Speaker 2: Picked up somehow in the summer and then he had
Speaker 2: to go overseas and had a pretty good career and
Speaker 2: you know, has a pretty good life now with Crest
Speaker 2: and does a lot of things with the Summer League.
Speaker 2: We'll talk about that as well. And look, you showed up.
Speaker 2: Who the hell let you in? Apparently not you? Somebody did.
Speaker 3: No, I couldn't get off the bike.
Speaker 2: I guess I know where your priorities are now, Steve,
Speaker 2: too many, too many traffic lights?
Speaker 3: What's up with that?
Speaker 2: And it's called work. It's this weird thing that we're
Speaker 2: have to show up to the office and then all
Speaker 2: of a sudden you just kind of sneak out, and
Speaker 2: I gotta sneak out. I hate my boss.
Speaker 3: I was in his named Blake.
Speaker 2: Yeah you got you need a little five every time.
Speaker 3: I look in the mirror.
Speaker 2: Five more minutes. Yeah, well you've got a hat on.
Speaker 3: You must have got another haircut. Oh here we go. Yeah. No,
Speaker 3: I'm not going back to that barber anymore. Super cuts,
Speaker 3: no more, no more. To see you, Blake. Good to
Speaker 3: see you.
Speaker 2: Steve had some good shows last few days without you.
Speaker 3: That's good. Why'd you ask me back?
Speaker 2: Because I need somebody carry me through for two hours.
Speaker 2: But today we should have a pretty good one with
Speaker 2: with Jason Gardner at three seventeen and then Williams at
Speaker 2: four seventeen. Yeah. I don't think you could ask for
Speaker 2: two better guests. No, No, you know how it is.
Speaker 3: Today.
Speaker 2: I was like, I don't know, I want to get today.
Speaker 2: Try to get Murphy. Who's with with Caleb in New York?
Speaker 2: Given that to given that to Tommy's in Switzerland. We're
Speaker 2: hit him ready for the summer basketball stuff. Yeah, but
Speaker 2: it's been good. Last couple of days. We talked a
Speaker 2: little about baseball. We had the Two Squirrels. I'm sure
Speaker 2: you're familiar with him.
Speaker 3: Have you seen him? Have you seen anything? I haven't
Speaker 3: gone out to a pretty good there were.
Speaker 2: Eighteen and four going into yesterday.
Speaker 3: But you know, it's a it's a independent league. Yetta, Yetta,
Speaker 3: it's a grind as a player for that league. Too.
Speaker 3: Great word really really difficult? Great, Well, you got to
Speaker 3: really love baseball. I think I said that before.
Speaker 4: It has to be like your number one priority in life, right,
Speaker 4: and it's it might be a stepping stone to something bigger,
Speaker 4: you never know, but it's you don't stop until somebody
Speaker 4: takes your glover cleats away from you.
Speaker 2: Right, and you're you know, you're young, twenty two to
Speaker 2: twenty three, and you say, what else am I going
Speaker 2: to do besides go to work?
Speaker 3: And we know how work sucks? Yeah, we do, yeah,
Speaker 3: some of us. Do you know? I haven't made I
Speaker 3: like my boss. His name is Steve. Yeah.
Speaker 2: The most difficult part of my job is what do
Speaker 2: you think waking up every day? That's one of them.
Speaker 2: That's probably about number three. No, getting the guest list,
Speaker 2: Oh yeah, absolutely. Yeah, I didn't guess I don't have
Speaker 2: too good job that you. Oh yeah, thank you. But
Speaker 2: it's just what myrolodexis. Who hasn't been on in a while,
Speaker 2: what the topics for today yet? To make it topical, I.
Speaker 4: Usually put an alarm at two thirty PM to set
Speaker 4: off waiting for your text to text me and say.
Speaker 3: I did today kind of early. But you know you
Speaker 3: were thinking like I was thinking.
Speaker 2: And we're still waiting for coach Burke from the women's
Speaker 2: from the basketball team, women's basketball team at ubi H.
Speaker 2: Like I said, we try to get Murphy on, but
Speaker 2: he couldn't be it.
Speaker 3: He was in New York.
Speaker 2: Uh, and he wasn't sure if he'd be available on
Speaker 2: our time because it starts. When it starts, are they're
Speaker 2: already starting to head to the the facility where the
Speaker 2: draft is. So I think it's in New York. Yeah,
Speaker 2: I think so. When I covered it was in Vancouver, Washington.
Speaker 2: So what else going on with Glorady? Did you say
Speaker 2: the draft? The draft was in Vancouver, Washington, Vancouver, Washington
Speaker 2: back in the day, that's when Bibi was number two, Yeah,
Speaker 2: the ninety eight. Yeah, yeah, before I think it moved
Speaker 2: around every now and again, but I think it's mostly
Speaker 2: centered in New York, the.
Speaker 3: Mecca, the mecca. Have you ever been to Madison Square guard?
Speaker 5: I have?
Speaker 3: And what Google? How long ago? It was a long
Speaker 3: time ago. What were your impressions?
Speaker 4: You know, I was pretty naive, but it was I
Speaker 4: was impressed when you walked through those doors. What about
Speaker 4: when you walked in the doors. That's what I mean,
Speaker 4: walk through the doors. I mean it smell like New
Speaker 4: York to me.
Speaker 3: So it was I didn't really I wasn't too impressed.
Speaker 4: I lived in New York for a little while. So
Speaker 4: did you the smell something that? That's why I get
Speaker 4: used to Yeah, yeah, yeah it is.
Speaker 2: I really didn't know in some of my books, you
Speaker 2: really didn't know that New York, that Medicine Square Garden.
Speaker 3: That's like the third or fourth version of That's regard. Yeah,
Speaker 3: I think, you know.
Speaker 2: Would it start off as a library or a bus
Speaker 2: station for a while and then they built it into
Speaker 2: they tore it down, built it into the first and
Speaker 2: I think this is a third.
Speaker 3: Yeah, the third? Yeah? Yeah. What what are you doing
Speaker 3: in playing? Yeah? Playing?
Speaker 2: You lived in downtown lived in Brooklyn, Oh, Brooklyn? Okay,
Speaker 2: not too far. Yeah, it's a suburb. Yeah, I think
Speaker 2: that's where. I called it borough though. If that's where,
Speaker 2: that's where. Where's the island? How far is the island?
Speaker 2: That's not Brooklyn right, No, because that's where rail Roe
Speaker 2: Moddel lives. I'm talking about Stanton Islands. That maybe he
Speaker 2: lived in Staten Island, Pico.
Speaker 3: I was talking about Long Island, but Long Island is connected,
Speaker 3: so okay, maybe one of those. I can't remember. I
Speaker 3: was Raidiro model before Railroam model was raid Romon. Yeah.
Speaker 4: If I close my eyes at night, yeah, I had
Speaker 4: to watch I watch Everybody Loves Raymond.
Speaker 3: I don't. I somehow just dislike it I had.
Speaker 2: I had the same exact, almost exact same lifestyle. A
Speaker 2: wife who hated me, and two kids lord me and
Speaker 2: and you think it's white hated him.
Speaker 3: That's great. I'm sure overbearing mother yo and.
Speaker 2: A nearby dad's father in law bla, yeah, oh oh
Speaker 2: me and my mom was a lot like that.
Speaker 3: Mom, really, I like, yeah, well, bless her heart. Yeah.
Speaker 2: It's wild that you're not still married as often as
Speaker 2: to talk about it. Yeah, that's for another show, Why
Speaker 2: you're not married? Go ahead, call in first color a
Speaker 2: long time listener. That would be you know what we
Speaker 2: got along summer ahead of us? Right, yeah, keep you
Speaker 2: on the subject matter. Places to eat in Tucson and
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Speaker 3: That's too funny? All right?
Speaker 4: So I know you guys already talked about it, probably
Speaker 4: this week quite a bit asium. But uh NBA finals
Speaker 4: thought good.
Speaker 2: I thought it was a fantastic series, evenly played. I
Speaker 2: thought it would be. I thought that, okay, so you
Speaker 2: would win it in six? I thought you picked. I
Speaker 2: thought you picked Indiana and six no, I picked Okay. See,
Speaker 2: I'm still waiting to get paid from my guy here. Yeah,
Speaker 2: because you know, oh yeah, forgot can I veno?
Speaker 3: You know I want the cash, give me the cash?
Speaker 3: Yeah yeah, no, no, no.
Speaker 2: But the thing about it was that the Arizona guys
Speaker 2: were fantastic, unbelievable.
Speaker 3: I thought Mathurne stepped up huge in that series. It's
Speaker 3: great to watch him play.
Speaker 4: I think when Haliburt went down, he was kind of
Speaker 4: the go to guy too and took it upon himself.
Speaker 3: But yeah, yeah, it was it was same, we'll call it.
Speaker 3: It was he was. He was fantastic. Yeah. I had
Speaker 3: some late turnovers in the last game.
Speaker 4: Try to do too much at some point, but I mean,
Speaker 4: you're down, You're trying to do everything possibly can.
Speaker 2: I'm gonna try to get him out the next couple
Speaker 2: of days. Yeah, send a note to Indianapolis if he
Speaker 2: can come on. Because he's one of the great guys.
Speaker 2: In Shawn's time, he was one of the great guys.
Speaker 3: I think you have a history.
Speaker 4: He's one of Oh yeah, yeah, right, yeah, I just
Speaker 4: didn't like community and everything else.
Speaker 5: Yeah.
Speaker 2: The last uh I've been doing thirty seven, he's probably
Speaker 2: in the top seven for sure.
Speaker 3: That's interesting. Yeah. Yeah, is that good or bad? Number?
Speaker 3: I I mean, I like seven. Do you not like
Speaker 3: the number seven?
Speaker 2: No?
Speaker 3: No, no, I'm saying the number seven. I'm saying because
Speaker 3: maybe you thought he could be higher.
Speaker 2: No, I think I think that's a good I think
Speaker 2: top ten is what I yeah, yeah, okay, that's fair assessment.
Speaker 4: I like top ten. All right, So what do we
Speaker 4: got for the summer? What do we got sports wise
Speaker 4: going on?
Speaker 3: Right now?
Speaker 4: Baseball, which is killing me because my Cubbies are terrible awful.
Speaker 4: Right now they're in first place in Central but the
Speaker 4: last ten games they look terrible.
Speaker 3: Council can coach or manage.
Speaker 4: I mean you're saying that, but well, I I we're
Speaker 4: talking about we were on the council the bus, I'm
Speaker 4: still on. Uh he's he just got off at the last stop.
Speaker 3: So what why what are they doing in the last
Speaker 3: ten days? Listen? His argument, I think is valid. You're
Speaker 3: leaving starting pitching in too long.
Speaker 4: Right, you're giving up five runs, six runs, eight runs,
Speaker 4: and you're still sticking with guys. I think some circumstances
Speaker 4: benefit those players like Ben Brown, who's a rookie, so
Speaker 4: they can work through things. I think you've got a
Speaker 4: guy like Colin Ria who's a VET, and you've got
Speaker 4: Jamison Italian that's a VET. That probably doesn't benefit them
Speaker 4: as much. And you've got a pretty good bullpen right now, right,
Speaker 4: you've got the number one bullpen in the big League
Speaker 4: since May tenth. You can utilize those resources. But it
Speaker 4: is what it is, and the offensive lineup is it
Speaker 4: was the best in baseball, and it's kind of gone
Speaker 4: dormant to a degree.
Speaker 3: Yeah, between you and Jay with his Dodgers, Yeah, I mean, like,
Speaker 3: who's it.
Speaker 2: If you're a Dodgers fan, you have nothing to complain about.
Speaker 2: I don't care if you have an injury. I don't
Speaker 2: care about any of that stuff like you have not.
Speaker 2: I don't want to listen to any Dodger fan plane.
Speaker 2: I don't want to hear it like you essentially have
Speaker 2: the mecha of the baseball universe from a money standpoint,
Speaker 2: from a talent standpoint, from a resource standpoint.
Speaker 4: But I did think it was interesting. I know you
Speaker 4: don't follow this on deep diving a little bit, but
Speaker 4: I mean, they've had a ton of injuries to pitching,
Speaker 4: right to pitchers, so they brought on drive Line with
Speaker 4: this organization that helps develop arm strength and velocity and
Speaker 4: spin rate to kind of run and develop their throwing
Speaker 4: programs over the last couple of years and the amount
Speaker 4: of injuries they've had since that time, and people are like, well,
Speaker 4: why are they keeping Well, you're trading You're trading health
Speaker 4: for velocity. This at the stage in the game, right
Speaker 4: you're it's no longer about feel, it's no longer about
Speaker 4: really truly pitching. I mean, the sinker's kind of coming back.
Speaker 4: That's a two seam fastball that went away forever, but
Speaker 4: it's slowly coming back. But the feel in pitching is
Speaker 4: it's just a different world now, So you're trading all
Speaker 4: that for spin rate and try to grip it and
Speaker 4: rip it and throw as hard as you possibly can.
Speaker 3: And you're seeing a lot of injuries. That is what
Speaker 3: it is. How would you you've been out? How long?
Speaker 4: How long have I been my last professional year? Yeah,
Speaker 4: two thousand and nine, so.
Speaker 3: That's been a while.
Speaker 4: How would you fare in today's world? I mean, my
Speaker 4: velocity was eighty eight ninety two. My top sided ninety
Speaker 4: ninety three ninety five. But I mean I sat eighty
Speaker 4: eight ninety two, but I could throw everything I wanted
Speaker 4: to throw, so I would I would probably be like
Speaker 4: a middle innings relief guy, which I would not farewell
Speaker 4: because I was never good in relief.
Speaker 3: I was at a starter.
Speaker 2: So was there a day when you woke up and said, yeah,
Speaker 2: or does someone make the decision for you?
Speaker 4: I think we had a conversation like the last two
Speaker 4: weeks so my shoulder, you had that decision for me.
Speaker 4: I had labor surgery that ended my career. I tried
Speaker 4: to come back from me. I was never the same,
Speaker 4: but no nobody ever really said physicality or talent wise
Speaker 4: that I was never good enough.
Speaker 3: At that level.
Speaker 4: Now, people told me that all the time growing up.
Speaker 4: They told me that going into college. Yeah, but when
Speaker 4: I got into Pro Bowl actually had the opposite effect.
Speaker 4: So that's why I always have great love for the
Speaker 4: Mets system, because they believed in you. Yeah, and they
Speaker 4: gave me opportunities that most organizations probably want.
Speaker 2: App Do you find that you do the same now
Speaker 2: as a person? Yeah, I hope I do, Yeah, because
Speaker 2: you know what you were afforded or Yeah. I think
Speaker 2: everybody deserves an opportunity. Okay, that's why that's why you're
Speaker 2: here with me. Yeah, you need to survive today's show.
Speaker 3: Survive right right? There are things going in the real
Speaker 3: world with the real world stuff. Well you know what
Speaker 3: I mean. Listen.
Speaker 4: I think we've talked about this offline, but you know,
Speaker 4: with the political realm that we're in right now. From
Speaker 4: a funding standpoint, the state's trying to get their budget
Speaker 4: done and we're just hanging on and waiting to see
Speaker 4: what happens from that.
Speaker 2: From a work standpoint, you don't really pay attention until
Speaker 2: it affects you. I'm not saying you specifically, but people, Yeah,
Speaker 2: I mean, and why would you No?
Speaker 4: I agree, right, I guess I mean yeah, I mean,
Speaker 4: you're a realist, optimist, pessimist, whatever looks like. But I mean,
Speaker 4: I think there's some circumstances that dictate that, and then
Speaker 4: there's other chances that you, like we we probably could
Speaker 4: have done a lot more earlier on on ours, but
Speaker 4: at the same time, like, I think we've done a
Speaker 4: pretty good job of getting things done in the last
Speaker 4: couple of years.
Speaker 3: So great, Okay, let's take a break.
Speaker 2: Now we'll go to get ahold of Jason Gardner and
Speaker 2: talk to him about the team and Caleb Love and
Speaker 2: Carter Bryant.
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Speaker 1: Breaking down all the xs and os. This is I
Speaker 1: on the Ball with Steve Rivera on Box Sports fourteen fifty.
Speaker 2: Hey, welcome back to Iron the Ball here at Fox
Speaker 2: Sports Fortune fifty.
Speaker 3: I'm Steve Rivera. In with me today is Blake Eager.
Speaker 2: We got any moment now we're gonna get ahold of
Speaker 2: Jason Gardner. He just texted me he's calling in and now,
Speaker 2: so that'll be cool. In fact, I think here we go, Jason.
Speaker 3: Is this Shue.
Speaker 1: Just me?
Speaker 3: Jason Gardner? I think I know who you are? How
Speaker 3: are you doing pretty good? How are you doing fine?
Speaker 3: Thank you? Are you in town? Are you in town?
Speaker 2: I just wanted to talk to you real quick about
Speaker 2: Caleb Love and mister Carter Bryant and just on the guys.
Speaker 3: You know very well you've seen him play.
Speaker 2: You've you've been here a number of years now and
Speaker 2: you've probably seen a one and done time or two.
Speaker 3: Where does this guy fit?
Speaker 5: You know?
Speaker 3: Where is he?
Speaker 2: Because we didn't see him a whole heck of a lot,
Speaker 2: but we knew he had a lot of talent.
Speaker 5: I missed I missed a little bit of half the
Speaker 5: party saying it.
Speaker 2: Yeah, just about about Carter Bryant. You know, you've seen
Speaker 2: a number of one and done's uh, where does he
Speaker 2: fit in that ones that you've seen?
Speaker 3: And we didn't get to see him a heck of
Speaker 3: a lot, but we you know, he's has a lot
Speaker 3: of talent.
Speaker 5: I mean, you know, first off, I mean, you know
Speaker 5: and talk about the kids character, I mean, he has
Speaker 5: unbelievable character. He has unbelievable work ethic, and I think
Speaker 5: half the battle to even get to that level is
Speaker 5: one is your attitude, your work ethic, and you know,
Speaker 5: how you take the game seriously. So he does do that.
Speaker 5: And so athletically, I mean, he's just as athletic as
Speaker 5: anybody you know. And I think as far as again,
Speaker 5: it just kind of goes back to his work that
Speaker 5: as far as just you know, as many times you know,
Speaker 5: he's that kid you got to get out the gym.
Speaker 5: I mean he's in there in the morning, he's in
Speaker 5: there at night. He has his routine, you know, before practice,
Speaker 5: before games. I mean, so you know he you know,
Speaker 5: you can just tell he has it.
Speaker 2: Yeah, It's funny. Yesterday he was doing the interviews in
Speaker 2: New York. In that twelve minute interview, he said, yeah,
Speaker 2: he's he intended to be a two year guy. And
Speaker 2: I'm thinking, really, I thought you were just going to
Speaker 2: be a one and done guy. And you know, it
Speaker 2: turns out to be a one and done guy. But
Speaker 2: when you first saw him, whatever, maybe a year or
Speaker 2: two ago or even just now, did you see one
Speaker 2: of anne guy?
Speaker 5: I mean, I think as far as you know, you
Speaker 5: see the trend of the NBA, as far as athleticism,
Speaker 5: guys that can play multiple positions, you definitely thought that
Speaker 5: he definitely has the opportunity. Now it depends on you know,
Speaker 5: where does he see himself, you know, where does he
Speaker 5: see himself in a year to two years, But definitely,
Speaker 5: you know, body style, you know length, you definitely could
Speaker 5: say that, you know, you know he has the opportunity
Speaker 5: to do that.
Speaker 2: Yeah, did he do anything initially that he said, Oh wow,
Speaker 2: this guy's got some talent because we saw him at
Speaker 2: the Red Blue Game and I think he won the
Speaker 2: three point contest. There was this dude, say, winning the
Speaker 2: three point contest one and two.
Speaker 3: I think the dunk contest too.
Speaker 2: Well.
Speaker 5: I mean, I think you know he did things a
Speaker 5: practice as far as you know, getting a high level
Speaker 5: offensive rebound, chasing somebody down, getting the backside block, you know,
Speaker 5: making you know, making them move, getting off into rebound,
Speaker 5: tip dunk, you know, running in transition, making a high
Speaker 5: level athletic move to where you know Big Tom finished
Speaker 5: at the realm. So there definitely were Tom's early on
Speaker 5: where you saw things and in your mind you're saying
Speaker 5: he's a pro. Is just a matter of wind, Yeah.
Speaker 3: The win, not the f right, Yeah, of course. And
Speaker 3: you're right.
Speaker 2: You talk about you know, you talk about people like
Speaker 2: him or kids like him, and you say the first
Speaker 2: thing you say, you know his character and his personality
Speaker 2: and stuff like that. And I said this on the
Speaker 2: show a number of times, kind of like you and
Speaker 2: your mom.
Speaker 11: Uh.
Speaker 2: You know, good kids are good kids because of their parents,
Speaker 2: and you see that often because they come in right.
Speaker 5: I mean, his family is an awesome family. I mean,
Speaker 5: you know, you can tell he's been raised right, you
Speaker 5: can tell. You know, you know, he has two sisters
Speaker 5: that are awesome as well. So just as far as
Speaker 5: like mom dead, both the sisters, you know, family, very
Speaker 5: supportive family. You know, they're at his events, He's at
Speaker 5: their events, so you can kind of just tell that,
Speaker 5: you know, just as far as just family wise, that
Speaker 5: you know they're they're they're a complete family.
Speaker 4: Hey, Jason is Blake eager as a two son in man,
Speaker 4: I just want to say thank you for everything you've
Speaker 4: done and the ability to what you did while you
Speaker 4: were here playing wise, and then what you're doing from
Speaker 4: a coaching standpoint. So I'm going to ask you a
Speaker 4: homer question. What was it like for you when you
Speaker 4: came back to Tucson. Was it just completely open arms.
Speaker 4: Were you excited to be here or was it like
Speaker 4: a transitional phase where you had to get used to
Speaker 4: being back in Tucson again.
Speaker 5: No, it was It's like my second home. It was.
Speaker 5: I was. I was excited. Uh you know, I didn't know,
Speaker 5: you know, as far as like being back in community,
Speaker 5: I didn't you know, you know, you've been away for
Speaker 5: a while. You know, I wasn't in the NBA, and
Speaker 5: so you know, I didn't know how many people, you know,
Speaker 5: I didn't really realize how many people would recognize me,
Speaker 5: you know, still giving me love. So that was just
Speaker 5: kind of awesome to you know. And I think now
Speaker 5: just being older, and I think sometimes when you're younger,
Speaker 5: you know, you don't kind of pay attention as much.
Speaker 5: It's because you know, you're just always on the go, go,
Speaker 5: And so I even think, you know, just being back
Speaker 5: here and even for my kids, and you know, and
Speaker 5: having a son that plays ball, even for him sometimes
Speaker 5: I think he was even like dang dead, you know,
Speaker 5: I mean, just not being able to see me play
Speaker 5: and now seeing the love that you get. I think
Speaker 5: he was kind of excited about it.
Speaker 2: Man, what an incredible journey. That's that's amazing. How would
Speaker 2: people not know who you are? You played the most
Speaker 2: minutes of anybody ever.
Speaker 5: Yeah, you know, you know, you don't know. I mean,
Speaker 5: you know, you're gone for twenty years. You know, you
Speaker 5: don't know how it's going to be.
Speaker 3: And so you know, play the most minutes, won a
Speaker 3: lot of games.
Speaker 2: Yeah, you got to you know, got to the championship
Speaker 2: game and all that stuff.
Speaker 4: I mean, you're you're putting Jason up on Mount Rushmore.
Speaker 4: We talked about that, like he's he's pretty close to
Speaker 4: be on that. Yeah yeah, yeah, Steve says you're not.
Speaker 4: I say you are, so just you just remember that
Speaker 4: Jason better, Hey, Jason, so on an another note, it's
Speaker 4: been unbelievable to watch UH Caleb Love grow over the
Speaker 4: last couple of seasons, especially becoming a true wildcat from
Speaker 4: that transition in from UH from North Carolina.
Speaker 3: What what's uh? I mean?
Speaker 4: I don't think there's a doubt that he can play
Speaker 4: in the NBA. Where do you think he falls? And
Speaker 4: having gone through that process, what do you think he's
Speaker 4: going through right now?
Speaker 5: You know, I think I think you know for a
Speaker 5: kid that again, you know, I will one thing about
Speaker 5: Tommy is I will say that Tommy doesn't really bring
Speaker 5: any knuckleheads. And so again to go back to a
Speaker 5: great character kid, a great family, very supportive family. And
Speaker 5: then when you look at a kid like Caleb Love,
Speaker 5: I mean in three different think about this, in three
Speaker 5: different conferences, he's been a top five player ACC PAC twelve,
Speaker 5: Big twelve. So it was no doubt that, like in
Speaker 5: three conferences he's been a top five player. He's definitely
Speaker 5: NBA guy. Now where does he fall here in the
Speaker 5: next two days? You know, I don't know, but I
Speaker 5: definitely think that he's a NBA player without without no question.
Speaker 2: It's funny you talked about knuckleheads and stuff. You were
Speaker 2: with the Loot for four years. I think now you've
Speaker 2: been with Tommy for four years, and we can kind
Speaker 2: of compare and contrast. But they're a lot alike because
Speaker 2: of that, you know, coaching styles, letting guys play within reason,
Speaker 2: stuff like that.
Speaker 5: Yes, yeah, I would say, you know, I mean one
Speaker 5: is always calm, always thinking of head, you know, never
Speaker 5: really reacting to certain situations. Great, great with the players,
Speaker 5: great with the families. Allow guys to be who they are,
Speaker 5: and very similar to Hey, you know, just play to
Speaker 5: your strengths and in your weaknesses you have all some
Speaker 5: of the work on those. So very similar I think.
Speaker 2: Yeah, no question in his demeanor as well, Like you said, yeah,
Speaker 2: back to Caleb, are you surprised? I think I asked
Speaker 2: Tommy two weeks ago about his chances for Caleb, and
Speaker 2: he says, Oh, he's a pro, he's gonna be He's
Speaker 2: gonna make it. And you know, we kind of you know,
Speaker 2: there's not a lot of teams or or mock drafts
Speaker 2: to have him up there.
Speaker 3: What is he gonna have to do? Be just more
Speaker 3: consistent offensively or what is it?
Speaker 5: No, you know, I think everybody's process is different. I
Speaker 5: think and then for him, I mean again, you know,
Speaker 5: from the differ the different defenses he's faced, from a
Speaker 5: box and one to you know, trapping him off the
Speaker 5: ball screens, to you know, putting three four different guys
Speaker 5: on him.
Speaker 11: You know.
Speaker 5: You know, I just think he has to stay of
Speaker 5: the course. And I think that's just you know, being
Speaker 5: ready when an opportunity comes. I mean, he's an elite scorer.
Speaker 5: I mean, he can he can attack the rim, you know,
Speaker 5: he can shoot the three, you know. And actually, I
Speaker 5: think what people really don't know is because he's been
Speaker 5: a scorer his whole life, is that, you know, he's
Speaker 5: actually a really good passer off the dribble. So I
Speaker 5: just think it's one of those opportunities. He just always
Speaker 5: gonna have to just be ready when that time comes.
Speaker 5: He has to be ready. And then I think he's
Speaker 5: gonna get a stick.
Speaker 2: Do you have you you were with Gilbert and some
Speaker 2: of these other guys, Richard, I know he's not them,
Speaker 2: but do you have a comp that you can compare
Speaker 2: Caleb to.
Speaker 3: M You know, it's tough.
Speaker 5: I mean it's tough, you know, I mean, I guess,
Speaker 5: you know, I'm kind of thinking more of a calib Reeves, right.
Speaker 3: Yeah, a big, strong body, yes to the hoop, can score.
Speaker 5: Yeah, you know a little in between a Dickerson and
Speaker 5: you know Dickerson Reeves, you know.
Speaker 2: Yeah, no in between, yeah, because he's not a big body,
Speaker 2: but he's a strong body.
Speaker 3: And Dickerson had that first step.
Speaker 5: Strong body and a guy and a guy that you
Speaker 5: know like Reeves. I thought Reeves could really fill it
Speaker 5: up and in Caleb and you know, on any given night,
Speaker 5: I mean, he can literally take over any game.
Speaker 3: Yeah, you know what.
Speaker 2: The one thing about Caleb, he had this fantastic year
Speaker 2: last last year, his first year here, first team All American,
Speaker 2: and then this year he kind of started off slow
Speaker 2: and then he built steam. He's one of those guys
Speaker 2: that I think people were saying, I don't know, I
Speaker 2: don't know about Caleb. But then in the last month
Speaker 2: or so, maybe a little bit longer, he endured himself
Speaker 2: and the fans just refell in love with him again. Well.
Speaker 5: I just think though that you know, you know, when
Speaker 5: you go through this process, and you know, last year,
Speaker 5: I think he came back and I think he was
Speaker 5: trying to prove to everybody, you know what, you know
Speaker 5: what he needs to do instead of sometimes I think
Speaker 5: that you know, just not overthinking you know, different things
Speaker 5: and what people think and how people feel about you.
Speaker 5: You know, again, people are gonna love and hate you,
Speaker 5: and you know, people are gonna criticize their game. And
Speaker 5: so I think early on he was trying to, you know,
Speaker 5: be the perfect Caleb Love. And and there's no perfect
Speaker 5: Caleb Love. You know, we're all going to you know,
Speaker 5: you know, have you know a game here there, and
Speaker 5: let me do this to prove this person wrong. And
Speaker 5: so I just think as long as he just keeps
Speaker 5: being him, you know, being the being the scorer that
Speaker 5: he is, you know, he he's you know, in two years,
Speaker 5: he became a better defender, you know, even you know,
Speaker 5: he started turning down shots to you know, have the
Speaker 5: ball move to get it back in his hands. So
Speaker 5: even the maturit, you know, he showed that you know
Speaker 5: that that he that he that he changed his game.
Speaker 4: Jason, from the from the time you were here to
Speaker 4: the time you got back. What's something that you've learned
Speaker 4: along the way and along the road that you try
Speaker 4: to pass along to these young men stepping into this program.
Speaker 5: I think probably just enjoying a moment, I think you
Speaker 5: get so caught up and just you know, you want
Speaker 5: to be on the go, You want to be in
Speaker 5: a hurry, you thinking about the next you know, game,
Speaker 5: the next practice, the next month. You know, what if this,
Speaker 5: what if that? And so I just you know, just
Speaker 5: try to tell the guys to just pay attention to
Speaker 5: the moment, enjoy the moment, because you know, it goes
Speaker 5: so fast and the next thing, you know, whether you
Speaker 5: here a year, two years, three years, four years, it's gone,
Speaker 5: and so you know, and then you always look back.
Speaker 5: I wish I had one more game of McHale. I
Speaker 5: would love to be playing a Michale. I would love
Speaker 5: to go back to sign this autograph. I love to
Speaker 5: be back with these guys on the bus on the trip.
Speaker 5: So really it's just trying to really just enjoy the
Speaker 5: moment and just quit trying to, you know, quit trying
Speaker 5: to be on the fast track of what's happening next
Speaker 5: month or three months from now, you know, So just
Speaker 5: enjoy the moment.
Speaker 2: You know, as you as you talk and as I remember,
Speaker 2: I'm probably incorrect with this.
Speaker 3: You you do you declared for the NBA. Uh I
Speaker 3: think after your junior year or sophomore year.
Speaker 2: Did you declared twice or one sophomore year software year
Speaker 2: and you came back? Do you do you look at it?
Speaker 2: Does Jayden Bradley, who's a different guard than you were.
Speaker 2: You were more of a facilitator, well, a leader type
Speaker 2: of guy, and Jayden's that too, but more of a
Speaker 2: less of a score. Is your his situation similar to
Speaker 2: yours where he's gone to see and he came back,
Speaker 2: and then he's gone to see and came back.
Speaker 5: Yeah. I mean I think I think it's good, you know,
Speaker 5: to get out there challenge yourself. I think it's good
Speaker 5: to get feedback on you know, what you need to
Speaker 5: work on.
Speaker 8: Uh.
Speaker 5: I think it's good to kind of be in these
Speaker 5: workouts and you know, in the summertime, you're going against
Speaker 5: NBA guys and you're you know, trying to figure out,
Speaker 5: you know, how can I guard them, how can I
Speaker 5: get by them, how can I get my shot? What
Speaker 5: can I learn? So I think all that's a positive
Speaker 5: and I think that, you know, and we even talked
Speaker 5: today and I told him, hey, you know, uh, you know,
Speaker 5: seeing him seeing him in practice, is that this is
Speaker 5: this is the most you know, Uh, this is the
Speaker 5: best that I've seen him since he's been here. And
Speaker 5: so just even a mentality for him and what he
Speaker 5: wants to do, what he's trying to accomplish. You can
Speaker 5: tell that the maturity wise for him, as even the
Speaker 5: way he talks, the way he carries himself. So I
Speaker 5: think he's gonna be I think he's gonna have a
Speaker 5: big year this year.
Speaker 3: Yeah, No, so do I.
Speaker 2: So do I Because you be older, he'll know whose
Speaker 2: teammates are. You know, it's after playing all these designment
Speaker 2: you're gonna have a fantastic guys group coming in.
Speaker 8: Uh.
Speaker 5: And you know he's gonna be a leader. I mean
Speaker 5: you know he's this is gonna be his third year
Speaker 5: in the system. Uh. And so the balls in his hands,
Speaker 5: you know, he's our you know, he's our leader, he's
Speaker 5: our tapping, he's our PG. So you know he's you know,
Speaker 5: on both ends of the floor. I mean, you know
Speaker 5: what people don't realize about JB either is that he's
Speaker 5: a head of a defensive player and he has a
Speaker 5: knack for the ball, whether you know, a rebound comes off,
Speaker 5: somebody's driving, someone's about to make a pass, like he's
Speaker 5: always around the ball. So I think that, you know,
Speaker 5: as far as leadership wise, I think he's ready. I
Speaker 5: think he's prepared. And again, just seeing him from when
Speaker 5: he first got here to now, like night and day.
Speaker 4: Kid Jason was this was this new team coming in,
Speaker 4: new recruits coming in. Uh, some of the returning players
Speaker 4: be on the floor. I know it's a small sample size,
Speaker 4: but what what can you talk about this with with
Speaker 4: this new group?
Speaker 5: I think, you know, we we we can we can
Speaker 5: play big, we can play small. I think Tommy can
Speaker 5: throw a lot of different lineups out there, you know,
Speaker 5: I think we I think we have. I think we're
Speaker 5: gonna be a really good shooting three point team, you know,
Speaker 5: from all all different positions. So I think that I
Speaker 5: think from just throwing like a small lineup out there,
Speaker 5: big lineup out there, and also to being able to
Speaker 5: shoot the three, is gonna be I think it's gonna
Speaker 5: be good for us.
Speaker 2: So I would hate to ade you a little bit,
Speaker 2: but it's been twenty four years since you and Gilbert
Speaker 2: were rowing the back court back in the day. Does
Speaker 2: it feel that long? And who would have thought Gilbert's
Speaker 2: goofiness and craziness has got him to be a podcaster
Speaker 2: that's very successful.
Speaker 5: Well, you know, it was crazy, you know, Gilbert, Gilbert
Speaker 5: actually has he actually had a couple of businesses that
Speaker 5: he sold. He was always you know, he's just I
Speaker 5: just think, you know, I just remember him telling me that,
Speaker 5: you know, people in life should just be happy and
Speaker 5: enjoy life. And so I think that's how he takes life.
Speaker 5: And you know, even looking at him now and looking
Speaker 5: back at you know, some practices in the dorm room
Speaker 5: in the apartment of you know, how he was, I
Speaker 5: think he's still how he is now, and it's just
Speaker 5: bigger platform. I think he means well. I think he's
Speaker 5: a great person. I think he'd do anything for anybody.
Speaker 5: But I mean and and and personality wise, no matter
Speaker 5: what you're going through, I mean, the dude is gonna
Speaker 5: make you laugh.
Speaker 2: Yeah, I'm sure you get. We had some crazy times
Speaker 2: and back in the day, those were the fun times.
Speaker 2: With what I think, and I still say to this day,
Speaker 2: the best team that Arizona has ever had, would you Gilbert,
Speaker 2: Luke Richard and Michael Wright, Lauren Woods. We had Lauren
Speaker 2: Woods maybe a three weeks ago. He's fantastic and those guys,
Speaker 2: I'm sure you won't argue that.
Speaker 5: I mean, I mean, come on, I mean, Lauren Woods
Speaker 5: is the best shot blocker in the country. I mean
Speaker 5: I remember at times where you know, we just denied
Speaker 5: the wings and we got beat. We just send you
Speaker 5: to Lauren. I remember he told us one time, like, hey,
Speaker 5: just get by the elbow and when I block it,
Speaker 5: just pick it up. And so, you know, being young,
Speaker 5: I'm thinking, I don't know about this, and I'll be darn.
Speaker 5: I mean, the dude literally he raced every shot. And
Speaker 5: then Michael Wright, I mean he was a monster on
Speaker 5: that block. And with Gilbert Richard, I mean those two
Speaker 5: wings and Luke you know, can come in and play
Speaker 5: any position hand on the ball. I mean, it's just unfortunate.
Speaker 5: You know, we got there, but we didn't finish it.
Speaker 5: But I think obviously we finished it. I think, yes,
Speaker 5: you could probably say that we're at one of those
Speaker 5: top three teams.
Speaker 2: Yeah, we'll talk to you, Okay, I still have the
Speaker 2: number one and maybe final question, uh with uh. With Williams,
Speaker 2: you've seen him a number of times. I think he
Speaker 2: even took a took a Selphie with him not too
Speaker 2: long ago. He admitted that it was a foul, but
Speaker 2: it wasn't called. Did he admit it to you as
Speaker 2: a foul?
Speaker 3: He did admit it was a foul.
Speaker 5: Clearly it was a foul just for me straddling me,
Speaker 5: you know, And so third foul in the first half.
Speaker 5: You know, who knows how that game goes. So it's
Speaker 5: just crazy. You know, you walk in McHale, you see
Speaker 5: those banners, and you know, it's just crazy.
Speaker 3: I think.
Speaker 5: So, you know, I don't know what's that twenty four
Speaker 5: to twenty six years ago. You know, I'm replaying He'll
Speaker 5: straddling me in the game thinking that should be not
Speaker 5: row runner up, that should be a championship manner right there.
Speaker 2: So it's just crazy, right, no question. Jason, Thanks a bunch, man.
Speaker 2: It's always good just to talk to you. We'll see
Speaker 2: you soon, all right, thank you? All right, Jason Gardner,
Speaker 2: you ve no need to say much more. He's one
Speaker 2: of the great ones. Yeah, absolutely, yeah. I mean you
Speaker 2: can't deny I mean what he was able to do.
Speaker 2: And you know, going back on I know we talked
Speaker 2: about the different teams of my favorite teams and all
Speaker 2: those things. That two thousand and one team was absolutely sacked.
Speaker 2: Oh yeah, yeah, absolutely the most talented team. I used
Speaker 2: to write when I wrote histories, mister big shot because
Speaker 2: he always used to hit a big shot. At some point,
Speaker 2: that team just just loaded, just loaded characters too, with
Speaker 2: Gilbert leading the way.
Speaker 3: Crazy yeah, crazy stuff. What's your what's your fondest memory
Speaker 3: of that group?
Speaker 4: Like not not the games, but like just being in
Speaker 4: that because you were so close to that group.
Speaker 3: Yeah.
Speaker 2: So so two that was that was a strange, difficult,
Speaker 2: fun time. And I'll say the difficult part that was
Speaker 2: the year Bobby passed. Yeah, Lute stepped away. Uh, Lut
Speaker 2: stepped away for a while. May two, three weeks after
Speaker 2: her passing, Jim Rosbell took over. Struggled a little, but
Speaker 2: you know, kind of had him on the right path.
Speaker 2: Luke comes back. I think they won thirteenth straight, and
Speaker 2: just how they banded together after struggling and not having
Speaker 2: their guy, Yeah, and missus Olsen there, Uh, and then
Speaker 2: just catching fire.
Speaker 3: I mean that's where they were.
Speaker 2: They were the it was Duke or Arizona, Arizona or
Speaker 2: Duke in the polls, and eventually they ended up playing
Speaker 2: each other in Minnesota. Just just Gilbert was always getting
Speaker 2: into trouble, so you know, we always had something to
Speaker 2: write about, and we didn't have the media access like
Speaker 2: today we had every day. We can go there every day,
Speaker 2: and yeah, and Luke didn't like that, but he's always
Speaker 2: answering questions and a lot of have to do with
Speaker 2: Gilbert because he was alway getting in trouble or saying
Speaker 2: some stuff you know that we were quoting him on
Speaker 2: and him denying it, but he was actually, you know,
Speaker 2: Gilbert is Gilbert. Uh. And then then just good dudes,
Speaker 2: you know Richard when he was on and Luke. Luke
Speaker 2: was fantastic one of my favorite all time players because
Speaker 2: he's just a good dude. Bill and Sue his parents
Speaker 2: raised the Waltons. Do you see the Walton about four
Speaker 2: just just.
Speaker 3: A family there. You wish you wish you were kind
Speaker 3: of part of.
Speaker 4: Well when they when they're going through that process, they're
Speaker 4: talking about like you know, because he all you think
Speaker 4: about with Bill is that he's just as a happy,
Speaker 4: go lucky guy. But to the point where he was
Speaker 4: so depressed, it was like this is it and you
Speaker 4: wouldn't think that, you would never think that about But
Speaker 4: then hearing his children talk about the different circumstances going
Speaker 4: through the NBA, just being around the family and the.
Speaker 2: Yeah and the problems. Okay, let's take a break here
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Speaker 1: Breaking down all the I says and ohs. This is
Speaker 1: I on the Ball with Steve Rivera on Box Sports
Speaker 1: fourteen fifty.
Speaker 2: Hey, welcome back to Wine on the Ball here on
Speaker 2: Fox Sports for four fifty. I'm Steve Rivera, and today
Speaker 2: with me Mike he here from.
Speaker 3: Southern Arizona Sports Tourism in film Authority.
Speaker 2: Yeah, a lot of things going on to replacement, right, Yeah,
Speaker 2: lots of stuff. We just took a call earlier about
Speaker 2: a potential My mom would love to hear this reality show.
Speaker 2: So cool, see what happens cool Tucson. I was, I
Speaker 2: don't know how you'll depend this because you're probably half two,
Speaker 2: but Mike and like, uh, Chris, Chris, my crazy better
Speaker 2: guy came in here and we're talking about food and
Speaker 2: food and Tucsons food in Albuquerque in New Mexico. Yes,
Speaker 2: which is better, You're gonna say to Song, probably because
Speaker 2: you mean like food as a whole, two Sons is
Speaker 2: way better than Alberque. It's not even the same question.
Speaker 2: If you're talking about Mexican food, that's a completely okay,
Speaker 2: but overall food to Song blows out.
Speaker 4: Yeah, I'm always going to choose two Song. I think
Speaker 4: it's an orn. Mexican food is my favorite that I've
Speaker 4: ever had in the world. So, but cases can be
Speaker 4: made for others, other things diplomatic. I mean, look, you're
Speaker 4: a homer for Albuquerque, and I'm going to be you
Speaker 4: know what.
Speaker 2: Maybe maybe you correct in the sense that I don't
Speaker 2: get to eat it very often, so I miss it
Speaker 2: that way. But but the difference is very pronounced. Yeah,
Speaker 2: it's the same argument. I think we all can get
Speaker 2: on the board that tax Mexicans shouldn't even be considered
Speaker 2: Mexican food.
Speaker 15: Uh.
Speaker 4: And then Baja is a different category in itself that
Speaker 4: California's will never emit any other, like dealing with I
Speaker 4: don't know about you, but dealing with nor Cal or
Speaker 4: so so cow guys, Like, nothing is ever going to
Speaker 4: be better than what California has, right, But our Mexican
Speaker 4: food and in New Mexico and in Arizona is better
Speaker 4: than Baja. It's just different. Sure, I like last CRUs
Speaker 4: is more like Alburquerque. That's just my own.
Speaker 3: Okay, it's kind of the same. Let's say I'm.
Speaker 2: Northern New Mexico's a little different. Yeah, okay, I won't
Speaker 2: go into that. But do you agree with me? Like
Speaker 2: overall food Tucson is much better. Uh, I don't know
Speaker 2: because I don't eat. Albuquerque is not a favorite place
Speaker 2: for Mina pis.
Speaker 3: Uh there next week, you are too, right?
Speaker 8: Uh?
Speaker 3: Oh no, I'm going to Denver. Oh yeah, that's right,
Speaker 3: you're going to I'm going to stay. Oh are you
Speaker 3: to do what?
Speaker 1: Well?
Speaker 4: I want to drive by your your home, your childhood home,
Speaker 4: so I could ate it, and then I'm going to
Speaker 4: go relax, and then I'm gonna do the same thing
Speaker 4: the next day.
Speaker 3: Yeah. Yeah, you have no idea.
Speaker 2: I was there two years ago and now we're getting
Speaker 2: off well with you and I get off the road here,
Speaker 2: do we have a specific sepet? No? No? So I
Speaker 2: went home, uh to visit some friends, and I went
Speaker 2: home and blah blah blah. My mom sold her house
Speaker 2: a while back, and I went back and they sold
Speaker 2: for unbelievable price. And I'm thinking, Mom, why I had
Speaker 2: you was staying there a little while longer. But I'm thinking,
Speaker 2: there's no way I would have bought that at my
Speaker 2: own house for that price. Yeah, you know, And it's
Speaker 2: just the staving home, and it's like, holy crap, it's wild,
Speaker 2: Holy crap. I don't know how anybody affords buying a
Speaker 2: new home right now. I know, I mean, I know
Speaker 2: the problem that you have is it's just anyway that's
Speaker 2: a whole different. But you're going just for fun, just
Speaker 2: to get away. Yeah, yeah, we're just I mean, I'm
Speaker 2: just thinking. It was one hundred and thirteen last week
Speaker 2: that we tried to get out for Fourth of July.
Speaker 3: That's what I'm doing for I would if I had
Speaker 3: I known that, I might have gone. Maybe maybe not.
Speaker 3: But you'll have fun. It's a small town. It's a
Speaker 3: yeah fun.
Speaker 4: I spent some time with a woman from Albuquerque when
Speaker 4: I was in college, So yeah.
Speaker 2: Okay, no, good for you. I'll give you my list
Speaker 2: of restaurants and I'll make sure, I don't go there.
Speaker 2: It's venture my name, they'll show you double, they'll throw
Speaker 2: me out. No, yeah, definitely do that. I'd like to
Speaker 2: like just places to stop by. I mean, I'm not
Speaker 2: gonna be an Albuquerque much. I think we're gonna drive.
Speaker 3: You're driving.
Speaker 4: Yeah, we're gonna stay. We're gonna stay in TRC. For
Speaker 4: people that don't know who that what the acronym is
Speaker 4: that it's two or consequence. Uh and do the hot
Speaker 4: springs there?
Speaker 2: Okay, Yeah, that's about four hours away. Yeah, it's a
Speaker 2: it's like halfway way between here and there. Yeah, so
Speaker 2: I think it's about seven hours of Santa Fe or
Speaker 2: so from Tucson, Gordon moderate at least. Yeah, you know,
Speaker 2: city five whatever. No, you'll have a fun time. And
Speaker 2: it's it's you don't want to if you haven't been there.
Speaker 2: It's a different hot it's a different because you're seven
Speaker 2: thousand feet I know. Yeah, and those sun's right there
Speaker 2: and it beats you differently.
Speaker 3: Yeah.
Speaker 4: I mean I lived in Denver that kind of heat.
Speaker 4: I mean, seventy nine degrees outside, but it feels like
Speaker 4: it's one hundred and twenty.
Speaker 3: Right right, So that's where I'm going for the few days. Yeah,
Speaker 3: what are you gonna do in Denver? I'll just visit
Speaker 3: relatives and hang out. Yeah, maybe go to Cripple Creek.
Speaker 3: Maybe pizza at Two Fisted Marios.
Speaker 2: Is that downtown? Yeah, Okay, I guess they the fond
Speaker 2: memories in college of that place. I'm going to a
Speaker 2: place where you don't really like it. Think I said Aurora, I.
Speaker 4: Lived in or I hate a Yeah, but that's on
Speaker 4: that's on my own personal Yeah, I lived in so
Speaker 4: I'll and give you a little background there. So I
Speaker 4: had I had roommates my junior year in Denver, and
Speaker 4: then I didn't think I was going to go back
Speaker 4: for Metro State. Okay, yeah, I didn't think I was
Speaker 4: going to go back and then end up making that
Speaker 4: choice to go back.
Speaker 3: Were you a sophomore junior? I was going.
Speaker 4: I was a junior that year, So sophomore, my freshman
Speaker 4: sophomore year, I played at Eastern Arizona. My junior year,
Speaker 4: I'm I'm in Denver Metro Uh. So I had roommates anyway.
Speaker 4: At post junior year, I played summer ball in the
Speaker 4: north Woods League again, and then I just didn't for
Speaker 4: some reason. I wasn't going back, and or if I
Speaker 4: was going back, I was gonna I was gonna have.
Speaker 4: I was gonna have this other guy that didn't play
Speaker 4: baseball as a roommate, this guy from Pueblo, Colorado, and
Speaker 4: I don't know, went sideways our friendship or whatever it is.
Speaker 4: So I showed up to like literally, my mom went
Speaker 4: with me to Denver because I had no place to live. Like,
Speaker 4: I didn't have an apartment, I had nothing.
Speaker 2: Your funnel year, my senior year, right, So the only
Speaker 2: place that we could find from an like in a
Speaker 2: price range that was affordable enough was an Aurora and
Speaker 2: it was this little apartment, which they were great.
Speaker 3: I just didn't like. I was like thirty minutes away
Speaker 3: from my friends and even farther from campus.
Speaker 11: Uh.
Speaker 4: So I didn't even buy a bed. I just me
Speaker 4: and my buddies went and bought a couch. So I
Speaker 4: slept on a couch for like the first month I
Speaker 4: was there, and then I ended up.
Speaker 2: Uh.
Speaker 4: We had these three guys that were juniors that year,
Speaker 4: two of them, uh, one was from Douglas, one was
Speaker 4: from Tucson, one was from Las Vegas, and we ended
Speaker 4: up just becoming best friends, right, so I ended up
Speaker 4: moving into their house, lived in there. They gave me
Speaker 4: their dining room. I threw a bed on the floor,
Speaker 4: really classy, like this place was super do your dude's
Speaker 4: we had any greatest apartment though, So yeah, yeah, so
Speaker 4: I wasn't fond of Aurora, but I was super fun.
Speaker 3: That's that's like one of the greatest.
Speaker 2: Ye.
Speaker 3: Whyouldn't you have gone back if you want you get
Speaker 3: to play ball.
Speaker 4: I think I had in my mind that I was
Speaker 4: probably gonna transfer somewhere else well, because when I was
Speaker 4: in the Northwoods League, you had access to that Midwest
Speaker 4: so University of Annoying some other schools that I just
Speaker 4: wanted to go to that I had a lot of
Speaker 4: friends out and.
Speaker 3: Nobody came calling.
Speaker 4: They did, But I even at the end of the
Speaker 4: day metro Plate, I mean I should I guess I
Speaker 4: can say this now. They paid me to go there, right,
Speaker 4: it was the best scholarship you could ever imagine. And
Speaker 4: I was going to say that because you it's fine school.
Speaker 4: Is it twenty thousand people, it's a huge It's it's
Speaker 4: a D two, but it's a huge school.
Speaker 2: It's downtown Denver. That yeah, and if they're going to
Speaker 2: pay your school. I mean, come on, there's no better thing.
Speaker 4: No, they paid me too, Okay, am I putting on
Speaker 4: anybody on blast by saying that it's pretty hard to find.
Speaker 4: But yeah, so they paid for everything and then they
Speaker 4: paid me too.
Speaker 3: Well look at you.
Speaker 2: Well that's good because you know you when I come
Speaker 2: from the same background in the middle class people, you know,
Speaker 2: we have to figure out how to get to college
Speaker 2: and and stay there.
Speaker 3: Yeah.
Speaker 4: Yeah, yeah, I think so. Okay, yeah, what's your Okay,
Speaker 4: let's we have it, had this conversation. Unless you have
Speaker 4: something that you really want to talk about, I won't answer.
Speaker 1: No.
Speaker 4: No, I'm not going to ask you a personal question
Speaker 4: like that bedroom bores clothes. I'm not trying to go
Speaker 4: in there, Steve. Outside of Mexican food, Yeah, what's your
Speaker 4: favorite food?
Speaker 1: Oh?
Speaker 3: Good question? Seafood? Okay, what's your favorite seafood plays in Tucson?
Speaker 13: Oh?
Speaker 2: Man, Well, there's kind of expensive. We bought cheese is
Speaker 2: pretty good. That seawood soup is fantastic.
Speaker 3: Yeah.
Speaker 2: Uh, I don't you know. My guy Ray works at
Speaker 2: at the King Fisher pretty good. I don't fish very good. Yeah,
Speaker 2: but I'm not I'm not that dude, because I'm not dude.
Speaker 2: I'm a I'm a burger king ten dollars lunch dinner
Speaker 2: type of guy. Because look at my body. Come on,
Speaker 2: I'm gonna die early because of my heart. It's not
Speaker 2: like you're making choices that are gonna elongate that you're
Speaker 2: happy with those choices.
Speaker 15: Yeah.
Speaker 3: Yeah, I'm like my dad. I want to live now
Speaker 3: and figure it out later. What's your what's your favorite
Speaker 3: fast food place?
Speaker 2: Whatever? Water burger? Yeah, all right, I think that's my
Speaker 2: pops too, So it's a good burger. That's a good burger.
Speaker 2: I'm just not pricey. It's nice good yeah, number one.
Speaker 2: All right, next subject, let's go Okay, well at me,
Speaker 2: you're gonna watch it. You're gonna watch the old draft here,
Speaker 2: You're gonna watch the NBA draft.
Speaker 3: Yeah no, no, you're you're like me.
Speaker 2: You're kind of even different this stuff stor I mean, listen,
Speaker 2: I think we had this conversation before. It's the same
Speaker 2: thing with the NFL draft, where people like literally plan
Speaker 2: their whole year around that. Yeah yeah, yeah, going to
Speaker 2: the draft when you can spend that money and time
Speaker 2: actually going to see your team play, like it doesn't
Speaker 2: make sense to me, right.
Speaker 3: That's true. That's true. God that we b through that
Speaker 3: time pretty quickly. Here.
Speaker 2: You gotta take a break here and come back in
Speaker 2: about four and a half minutes.
Speaker 3: I'm not gonna have break the news.
Speaker 2: We'll just gibber jibber, maybe take a call or two,
Speaker 2: and then we're gonna have Corey Williams on talking about
Speaker 2: a lot of the same stuff that we talked about.