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<v Speaker 1>Welcome to Bedtime Astronomy. Explore the wonders of the cosmos

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<v Speaker 1>with our soothing Bedtime Astronomie podcast. Each episode offers a

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<v Speaker 1>gentle journey through the stars, planets, and beyond, perfect for

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<v Speaker 1>unwinding after a long day. Let's travel through the mysteries

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<v Speaker 1>of the universe as you drift off into a peaceful

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<v Speaker 1>slumber under the night sky.

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<v Speaker 2>I want you to start by visualizing something with me.

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<v Speaker 2>Picture a massive, heavy velvet tapestry and it's pitch black,

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<v Speaker 2>absolutely lightless. But woven into this black fabric are these

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<v Speaker 2>brilliant shimmering threads of gold and silver. It's a pretty

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<v Speaker 2>classic image, right, Yeah.

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<v Speaker 3>That's the standard metaphor for the universe. People call it

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<v Speaker 3>the cosmic web.

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<v Speaker 2>Right because when we look up at the night sky,

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<v Speaker 2>or you know, we look at those incredible composite images

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<v Speaker 2>from NASA, that is exactly what we see. We see

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<v Speaker 2>the light. We see billions of galaxy whirling in the void,

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<v Speaker 2>glowing with the heat of trillions of stars. We fundamentally

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<v Speaker 2>define the universe by what shines.

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<v Speaker 3>Well, because that is what our eyes are built to do.

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<v Speaker 3>We are biological light detectors. Our entire history of astronomy,

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<v Speaker 3>from the ancient Greeks drawing constellations to Hubble taking deep

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<v Speaker 3>field images has been biased toward luminosity.

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<v Speaker 2>If it glows, it exists exactly.

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<v Speaker 3>And if it doesn't glow, we assume it's just empty

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<v Speaker 3>space the void.

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<v Speaker 2>But and this is why we are here today doing

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<v Speaker 2>this exploration. What if that assumption is fundamentally flawed.

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<v Speaker 3>It's a huge question.

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<v Speaker 2>What if that tapestry is actually full of things woven

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<v Speaker 2>with black thread against a black background, Objects that are massive, complex,

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<v Speaker 2>and gravitationally significant, but effectively invisible.

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<v Speaker 3>It is a really disquieting thought. When you dig into

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<v Speaker 3>the research, it suggests that our map of the universe

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<v Speaker 3>is not actually a map of mass. Oh interesting, Yeah,

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<v Speaker 3>it's merely a map of light bulbs, and we might

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<v Speaker 3>be missing the vast majority of the furniture in the room,

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<v Speaker 3>so to speak.

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<v Speaker 2>That is exactly what we are unpacking today. We're looking

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<v Speaker 2>at a specific discovery from our sources that challenges the

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<v Speaker 2>very definition of what a galaxy is. Yes, we are

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<v Speaker 2>talking about a ghost hiding in the Perseus cluster, a

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<v Speaker 2>galaxy named CDG two.

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<v Speaker 3>CDG two is just a fascinating case study. It's an

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<v Speaker 3>object that breaks the usual rules of galactic formation.

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<v Speaker 2>Breaks the rules, feels like an understatement to me. When

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<v Speaker 2>I was reading the research on this, one statistic jumped

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<v Speaker 2>out and just sat there staring at me.

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<v Speaker 3>The mass ratio, Yes.

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<v Speaker 2>We usually think of galaxies as star factories, right, but

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<v Speaker 2>this thing, this galaxy appears to be ninety nine percent

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<v Speaker 2>dark matter.

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<v Speaker 3>Ninety nine percent. It is an immense figure.

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<v Speaker 2>So if I'm doing the math right, that leaves roughly

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<v Speaker 2>one percent for the stuff we can actually see, you know,

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<v Speaker 2>the stars, the gas, the.

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<v Speaker 3>Dust, the buryonic matter, baryonic right, the normal stuff that

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<v Speaker 3>makes up you, me, the Earth, and the Sun in

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<v Speaker 3>this galaxy, all of that is essentially a rounding era

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<v Speaker 3>that is just wild.

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<v Speaker 2>To think about. But before we get too far into

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<v Speaker 2>the wow factor of it all, I want to push

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<v Speaker 2>back on this a little bit. We talk about dark

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<v Speaker 2>matter a lot. We know our own Milky Way has

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<v Speaker 2>dark matter. We know it's the gravitational glue that keeps

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<v Speaker 2>galaxies from spinning apart. So is ninety nine percent actually

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<v Speaker 2>that weird? What is the standard ratio?

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<v Speaker 3>That is a very important distinction to make you are right?

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<v Speaker 3>Almost every galaxy has a dark matter halo. But typically

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<v Speaker 3>the cosmic ratio is about five to one fave to one,

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<v Speaker 3>five parts dark matter to one part visible matter.

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<v Speaker 2>Okay, so five to one versus ninety nine to one.

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<v Speaker 3>Exactly In a normal galaxy like the Milky Way, the

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<v Speaker 3>dark matter provides the structure that the visible matter, the

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<v Speaker 3>gas and stars, has collapsed into the center to form

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<v Speaker 3>a bright, churning.

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<v Speaker 2>Disc right the spiral we always see.

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<v Speaker 3>Yeah, the baryonic physics are very active. Yeah. In CDG two,

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<v Speaker 3>that process seems to have short circuited.

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<v Speaker 2>Entirely short circuited.

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<v Speaker 3>How well, It's like a house built almost entirely of

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<v Speaker 3>invisible bricks, with just a few effects of dust floating

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<v Speaker 3>inside to prove it's actually.

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<v Speaker 2>There, Which brings us to the definition problem. If you

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<v Speaker 2>have a clump of dark matter with almost no stars,

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<v Speaker 2>is it even a galaxy or is it just a

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<v Speaker 2>halo that failed to do anything?

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<v Speaker 3>That is the existential crisis as strongers are grappling with

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<v Speaker 3>right now.

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<v Speaker 2>Really, oh yeah.

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<v Speaker 3>Traditionally a galaxy is defined by its starlight, but objects

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<v Speaker 3>like CDG two suggest that a galaxy should really be

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<v Speaker 3>defined by its gravitational potential. It's dark matter halo so.

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<v Speaker 2>The stars are just an afterthought exactly.

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<v Speaker 3>The stars are just the ornamentation, they aren't the structure itself.

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<v Speaker 2>So our mission today for you listening is to understand

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<v Speaker 2>this ghost. We aren't just going to gawk at the

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<v Speaker 2>ninety nine percent number. We really need to understand the

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<v Speaker 2>detective work here. The methodology is the best part, because

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<v Speaker 2>finding something that emits almost no light in a universe

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<v Speaker 2>that is incredibly big and incredibly dark seems like an

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<v Speaker 2>impossible task.

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<v Speaker 3>It borders on the impossible. This isn't just an observation,

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<v Speaker 3>it's really a forensic investigation.

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<v Speaker 2>It really is a cosmic crime scene. We have a

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<v Speaker 2>ghost galaxy hiding in a very rough neighborhood called the

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<v Speaker 2>Perseus Cluster, very rough. We have a team of detectives

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<v Speaker 2>using three of the most powerful telescopes ever built. And

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<v Speaker 2>they used a technique that I found absolutely brilliant in

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<v Speaker 2>the source.

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<v Speaker 3>Material, always so clever.

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<v Speaker 2>They didn't look for the galaxy itself. They looked for

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<v Speaker 2>the well, let's call them the ornaments.

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<v Speaker 3>Globular clusters. They were hunting for globular clusters.

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<v Speaker 2>So let's set the scene. We are going to the

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<v Speaker 2>Perseus Cluster.

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<v Speaker 3>Very chaotic noisy place in the universe.

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<v Speaker 2>Let's start with the visual or I guess the lack thereof.

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<v Speaker 2>The research comes from a collaboration evolving NASA, the European

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<v Speaker 2>Space Agency, in the University of Toronto, and they released

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<v Speaker 2>an image from the Hubble Space telescope. Now, usually when

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<v Speaker 2>you see a Hubble press release, you expect fireworks, WAPs,

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<v Speaker 2>you expect nebulas, pillars of creation giants, sweeping spiral arms.

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<v Speaker 3>You expect high contrast, bright whites, deep blacks, vibrant colors

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<v Speaker 3>all over the place, right.

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<v Speaker 2>But I looked at the image for CDG two, specifically

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<v Speaker 2>the crop they provided in the material, there is a

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<v Speaker 2>dashed red circle drawn on the blackness of space, just

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<v Speaker 2>to tell me where to look. And what did you

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<v Speaker 2>see inside that circle? I literally had to wipe my monitor.

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<v Speaker 2>I thought it was a smudge on my screen.

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<v Speaker 3>It is incredibly underwhelming to the naked eye, isn't it.

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<v Speaker 2>It looks like noise. It's just a faint, barely there haze.

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<v Speaker 3>That is what astronomers classify as a low surface brightness galaxy.

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<v Speaker 2>Low surface brightness the term.

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<v Speaker 3>Is quite literal, the surface brightness meaning the amount of

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<v Speaker 3>light emitting from any given square arc second of the

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<v Speaker 3>sky is so low that it's barely distinguishable from the

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<v Speaker 3>background radiation of the universe.

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<v Speaker 2>So let's try to ground this for you listening. If

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<v Speaker 2>I were in a spaceship floating just outside this galaxy

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<v Speaker 2>looking out the window, what would I see? What I see?

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<v Speaker 2>A galaxy?

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<v Speaker 3>Honestly, you wouldn't see a structure. You wouldn't see a

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<v Speaker 3>disk or spiral arms, or a glowing core, nothing like that. No,

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<v Speaker 3>you would see a very sparse scattering of faint stars.

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<v Speaker 3>It wouldn't look like a cohesive object. It would just

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<v Speaker 3>look like you were in a slightly more populated region

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<v Speaker 3>of empty space.

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<v Speaker 2>It's a galaxy running on one percent battery.

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<v Speaker 3>That's a good analogy to put a number on it.

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<v Speaker 3>The paper notes that CDG two has a total luminosity

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<v Speaker 3>equivalent to roughly six million sun like stars.

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<v Speaker 2>Okay, stop there, six million sons. To me and probably

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<v Speaker 2>to you listening, six million suns sounds like a blinding

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<v Speaker 2>amount of light. That sounds huge.

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<v Speaker 3>It sounds massive in human terms. Yes, but we have

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<v Speaker 3>to adjust our scale to galactic terms.

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<v Speaker 2>Okay, adjusted for me.

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<v Speaker 3>For context, the Milky Way contains somewhere between one hundred

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<v Speaker 3>and four hundred billion stars.

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<v Speaker 2>Wow, one hundred to four hundred billion.

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<v Speaker 3>To do the math there, six million versus four hundred

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<v Speaker 3>billion CDG two is putting out less than zero point

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<v Speaker 3>zero one percent of the light of the Milky Way.

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<v Speaker 2>That is nothing.

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<v Speaker 3>It is a whisper compared to a shout.

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<v Speaker 2>And it's not just that it's faint, it's where it is.

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<v Speaker 2>We are looking at an object inside the Percus galaxy cluster.

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<v Speaker 2>How far away is this?

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<v Speaker 3>We are looking at a distance of roughly three hundred

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<v Speaker 3>million light years.

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<v Speaker 2>Three hundred million light years. I want to pause on

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<v Speaker 2>that number because I think we get really numb to

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<v Speaker 2>millions and billions in space talk.

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<v Speaker 3>It's hard for the human brain to process.

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<v Speaker 2>Right. The light we are seeing from this faint smudge

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<v Speaker 2>left the galaxy three hundred million years ago. That's the Palaeozoic.

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<v Speaker 3>Era on Earth, long before the dinosaurs. We are talking

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<v Speaker 3>about the time when the first reptiles were just emerging

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<v Speaker 3>on Earth. The continents were in completely different positions.

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<v Speaker 2>So we are trying to spot a faint collection of

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<v Speaker 2>six million stars, which is basically nothing, from a distance

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<v Speaker 2>that is incomprehensibly far away. It's like trying to see

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<v Speaker 2>a candle in the moon, but the candle is behind

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<v Speaker 2>a giant searchlight, the searchlight being.

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<v Speaker 3>The rest of the Perseus cluster. You have to understand,

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<v Speaker 3>Perseus is one of the most massive objects in the

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<v Speaker 3>entire known universe. Really, Oh yeah, it contains thousands of galaxies.

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<v Speaker 3>It is full of hot X ray emitting gas. It

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<v Speaker 3>is bright, it is crowded, and it is gravitationally noisy.

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<v Speaker 3>Finding CDG two in there is statistically nightmarish.

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<v Speaker 2>And that leads me to the how if you can't

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<v Speaker 2>just stand the sky and see it, Because as we establish,

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<v Speaker 2>it looks like nothing, how do you find it? You

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<v Speaker 2>can't just zoo in on every single pixel of the sky.

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<v Speaker 3>Now you would never finish. Yeah, the universe is too big.

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<v Speaker 3>You need a marker, you need a proxy.

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<v Speaker 2>Entered David Lai. He's the lead researcher from the University

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<v Speaker 2>of Toronto on this project. Yes, and his team didn't

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<v Speaker 2>start by looking for the galaxy itself. They started by

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<v Speaker 2>hunting for those ornaments we mentioned earlier.

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<v Speaker 3>They went looking for globular clusters.

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<v Speaker 2>Okay, let's unpack globular clusters because to me, it sounds

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<v Speaker 2>like a type of candy or maybe a geology term.

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<v Speaker 2>What exactly is a globular cluster In this astronomical context,

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<v Speaker 2>it is.

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<v Speaker 3>One of the most ancient and fundamental structures in the cosmos.

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<v Speaker 3>A globular cluster is a very compact, spherical group of stars. Spherical, right,

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<v Speaker 3>Imagine a ball maybe ten to thirty light years across,

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<v Speaker 3>but packed with tens of thousands, sometimes even millions of stars.

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<v Speaker 2>So it's a super dense city of stars.

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<v Speaker 3>Extremely dense. In the solar neighborhood where we are, stars

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<v Speaker 3>are light years apart in the core of a globular cluster.

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<v Speaker 3>Kind of The Milky Way has about one hundred and

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<v Speaker 3>You can't see the hive itself. It blends completely into

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<v Speaker 2>Ah, if I see a swarm of glowing bees hovering

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<v Speaker 3>That is precisely the logic. This is the big breakthrough.

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<v Speaker 2>of this though. At three hundred million light years away,

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<v Speaker 3>No, even with hubble at that immense distance, a globular

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<v Speaker 3>faint star in our own milky way that just happens

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<v Speaker 3>to be in the foreground. Yeah. Or it looks like

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<v Speaker 2>So you have a field of view full of thousands

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<v Speaker 2>and a very small few are these globular clusters exactly?

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<v Speaker 2>How do you know which a witch?

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<v Speaker 3>this is where David Lye's work is so incredibly impressive.

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<v Speaker 3>They used a sophisticated algorithm to scan the overall distribution

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<v Speaker 3>of these points of light. Okay, random noise, meaning your

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<v Speaker 3>foreground stars and your background galaxies, tends to be distributed

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<v Speaker 2>This is a general spread.

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<v Speaker 3>Right, But globular clusters that belong to a single galaxy

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<v Speaker 3>and to the host galaxy. They cluster together.

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<v Speaker 2>So they were specifically looking for a tight grouping of dots.

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<v Speaker 3>Exactly, they were looking for a statistical anomaly. The algorithm

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<v Speaker 2>I see. It's like walking into a crowded sports stadium.

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<v Speaker 3>No, you can't.

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<v Speaker 2>But if you see four people standing in a tight

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<v Speaker 2>little circle facing each other, ignoring everyone else, you assume

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<v Speaker 3>That's a perfect analogy. The algorithm flagged these friends. It said, Hey,

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<v Speaker 2>And because gravity works the way it does, yes.

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<v Speaker 3>If you have four massive star clusters hanging out in

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<v Speaker 2>And that unseen massive something is the dark matter halo

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<v Speaker 3>Correct Using this method, they identified ten previously confirmed low

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<v Speaker 2>Galaxies, which prove the math works exactly.

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<v Speaker 3>It validated the tool, and then using that validated tool,

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<v Speaker 3>they found two new candidates. CGG two was one of them.

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<v Speaker 2>I love that so much. They didn't see the galaxy,

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<v Speaker 2>they calculated that it absolutely must be there. It's a

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<v Speaker 2>triumph of math as much as it is observation.

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<v Speaker 3>Which is really where modern astronomy is heading. As a field.

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<v Speaker 3>We are rapidly moving from point and shoot astronomy to

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<v Speaker 2>But as with any good detective investigation, just having a

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<v Speaker 2>suspect isn't enough. You can't publish a paper saying the

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<v Speaker 2>math says there's a galaxy here.

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<v Speaker 3>Trust us, you definitely cannot. You need to verify it

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<v Speaker 3>and see the body to keep the crime scene metaphor going.

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<v Speaker 2>And that requires the heavy artillery. It does verification triad.

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<v Speaker 2>I really like the sound of that from the research.

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<v Speaker 3>It does sound official, doesn't it. It refers to the

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<v Speaker 3>three major observatories they used in tandem to confirm this candidate,

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<v Speaker 3>because no single telescope on Earth or in space could

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<v Speaker 2>Let's break down why that is. Why did they need

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<v Speaker 2>three different telescopes. Let's start with the most famous one

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<v Speaker 2>of the bunch, NASA's Hubble Space telescope.

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<v Speaker 3>Hubble is the sniper of the group.

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<v Speaker 2>The sniper.

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<v Speaker 3>Yes, it has incredible pinpoint resolution. They needed Hubble to

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<v Speaker 3>confirm that those four suspicious dots were actually globular clusters

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<v Speaker 3>and not just something else masquerading A Is that?

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<v Speaker 2>So Hubble gives you the fine detail.

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<v Speaker 3>Hubble provided the sharpness to resolve the immediate local environment

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<v Speaker 3>of those four points.

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<v Speaker 2>Okay, so Hubble confirms the ornaments are real. Who is

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<v Speaker 2>next in the triad?

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<v Speaker 3>Next is ESA's EUCLID Space Observati Tory, the European Space Agency.

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<v Speaker 3>This is a newer mission and it's critical for a

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<v Speaker 3>totally different reason. Hubble has a very, very narrow field

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<v Speaker 3>of the sky at any given moment. EUCLID, on the

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<v Speaker 3>other hand, is wide angle. It surveys huge swaths of

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<v Speaker 2>But why do you need a wide angle to see

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<v Speaker 2>a tiny, faint galaxy.

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<v Speaker 3>You need context. You need to know that this tight

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<v Speaker 3>grouping of four clusters is truly isolated in space. Oh,

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<v Speaker 3>I see, you need to see the surrounding neighborhood to

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<v Speaker 3>ensure these clusters aren't just the far outskirts of some other,

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<v Speaker 3>much bigger galaxy nearby. EUCLID confirms the isolation.

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<v Speaker 2>Got it. Hubble zooms in to check the details. EUCLID

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<v Speaker 2>zooms out to check the neighborhood. And the third telescope.

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<v Speaker 3>The Subreu telescope. This is a ground based monster located

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<v Speaker 2>Now, why do we need a ground telescope if we

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<v Speaker 2>already have two amazing space telescopes. Usually we think space

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<v Speaker 2>is better because there's no atmosphere to distort the image.

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<v Speaker 3>Space gives you clarity. Yes, the ground gives you size.

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<v Speaker 3>You can build much bigger things on the ground.

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<v Speaker 2>Size matters here very much.

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<v Speaker 3>The Subaru telescope has a primary mirror that is over

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<v Speaker 3>eight meters wide. Hubble's mirror is only two point four meters.

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<v Speaker 2>That's a huge difference.

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<v Speaker 3>It is. Think of it like catching rain. A bigger

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<v Speaker 3>bucket catches more rain. In this case, the rain is

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<v Speaker 2>So Subro is essentially a giant light bucket exactly.

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<v Speaker 3>They needed Subru's immense light gathering power to try and

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<v Speaker 3>detect the incredibly faint glow between those clusters the actual

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<v Speaker 3>galaxy itself.

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<v Speaker 2>And this is the real moment of truth in the story.

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<v Speaker 2>They combine the data from the sniper, the wide angle,

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<v Speaker 2>and the light bucket. What did they actually find.

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<v Speaker 3>They found the ghost when they process the deep imaging,

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<v Speaker 3>specifically looking at the empty space between those four colobular clusters.

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah, they detected a signal, a signal like a radio

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<v Speaker 3>An optical signal, a faint, diffuse structural glow. It wasn't

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<v Speaker 3>just empty black space, was a very very weak stellar

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<v Speaker 3>population surrounding those clusters.

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<v Speaker 2>That is the body of the galaxy.

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<v Speaker 3>That is the body. It confirmed once and for all

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<v Speaker 3>the clusters weren't just randomly floating in the void. They

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<v Speaker 3>were embedded in a dark matter halo. They were anchoring

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<v Speaker 3>a hidden stellar population.

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<v Speaker 2>So the Christmas tree analogy holds up perfectly. They saw

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<v Speaker 2>the glowing ornaments, they did the math to prove they

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<v Speaker 2>were a group, and when they turned up the exposure

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<v Speaker 2>time with the big telescope, they finally saw the faint

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<v Speaker 2>outline of the trees branches precisely.

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<v Speaker 3>And David Lay makes a very conservative, but very interesting

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<v Speaker 3>point here in the findings.

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<v Speaker 2>What's that?

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<v Speaker 3>He notes they given the mass calculations of the halo,

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<v Speaker 3>these four clusters likely represent the entire globular cluster population

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<v Speaker 3>of CDG two.

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<v Speaker 2>Wait only four? You just said our Milky Way has

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<v Speaker 3>Yes, CDG two is hanging onto these four clusters for

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<v Speaker 3>dear life. They're the only major structural features it has left.

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<v Speaker 2>That brings us to the why. This is the part

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<v Speaker 2>of the exploration that really hooked me. We have a

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<v Speaker 2>gaps galaxy that is ninety nine percent dark matter, has

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<v Speaker 3>It's a barren place.

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<v Speaker 2>Why is it so empty? Did it form this way

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<v Speaker 2>right after the Big Bang? Or does something terrible happen

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<v Speaker 2>to it?

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<v Speaker 3>Now we are moving from detection to forensics. We're looking

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<v Speaker 3>at the cause of death, or perhaps more accurately, the

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<v Speaker 3>cause of sterility.

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<v Speaker 2>Sterility, that's a strong word for a galaxy.

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<v Speaker 3>Well, a galaxy lives in astronomical terms, as long as

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<v Speaker 3>it forms new stars. Ok, deform stars. You need fuel,

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<v Speaker 3>and the fuel of the universe is hydrogen gas, cold,

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<v Speaker 3>dense hydrogen gas.

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<v Speaker 2>And the research says CDG two has none.

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<v Speaker 3>Of this gas. It is completely depleted. It is what

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<v Speaker 3>we call gas poor. This means it stopped forming stars

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<v Speaker 3>a very long time ago. It's a dormant system.

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<v Speaker 2>So where did the gas go? Did it use it

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<v Speaker 3>No, The culprit is the environment, the Perseus cluster itself.

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<v Speaker 3>We mentioned earlier that Perseus is a rough neighborhood. Let's

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<v Speaker 3>dig into what that actually means physically.

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah, you mentioned it's chaotic and noisy.

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<v Speaker 3>A galaxy cluster isn't just a collection of galaxies floating

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<v Speaker 3>in a vacuum. The space between the galaxies is filled

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<v Speaker 3>with something called the intracluster medium or.

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<v Speaker 2>Icm intracluster medium.

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<v Speaker 3>This is a plasma, a superheated gas that permeates the

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<v Speaker 3>entire volume of the cluster.

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<v Speaker 2>So space there is not a vacuum.

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<v Speaker 3>It's not a vacuum in the way we usually think

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<v Speaker 3>of deep space. It's very diffuse, sure, but it is

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<v Speaker 3>physically there, and it's hot, millions of degrees hot. Now,

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<v Speaker 3>I want you to imagine CDG two falling into this

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<v Speaker 3>cluster from the outside. Okay, it is moving at thousands

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<v Speaker 2>Thousands of kilometers per second, so it's moving incredibly fast

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<v Speaker 2>through this plasma soup exactly.

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<v Speaker 3>Yeah, And even though the plasma is thin, when you

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<v Speaker 3>hit it at two thousand kilometers per second, it creates

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<v Speaker 3>a massive amount of drag. It creates a physical.

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<v Speaker 2>Wind, a cosmic headwind.

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<v Speaker 3>We call this ram pressure.

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah.

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<v Speaker 3>The standard analogy we used to teach this is driving

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<v Speaker 3>a convertible down the highway with a top down.

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<v Speaker 2>Okay, I'm in the car, top is down.

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<v Speaker 3>You have a stack of loose paper sitting on the

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<v Speaker 3>passenger seat next to you. Those papers represent the hydrogen

434
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<v Speaker 3>gas in the galaxy. Okay, it's fluffy, it's light, it's

435
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<v Speaker 3>not gravitationally bound very tightly to the center.

436
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<v Speaker 2>I can see exactly where this is going.

437
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<v Speaker 3>You hit the gas pedal, you go out to one

438
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<v Speaker 3>hundred miles per hour. The wind, the ramp pressure whips

439
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<v Speaker 3>inside the car and rips the loose papers right out.

440
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<v Speaker 2>The papers go flying out the back of the.

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<v Speaker 3>Car right but the car itself, the head, steel chassis,

442
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<v Speaker 3>in the engine.

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<v Speaker 2>The car keeps moving forward.

444
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<v Speaker 3>The car represents the dark matter halo and the existing stars.

445
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<v Speaker 3>They are massive and gravitationally down tightly enough where they

446
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<v Speaker 3>simply don't interact with the wind, so they just plow

447
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<v Speaker 3>right through the plasma. But the gas, the future potential

448
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<v Speaker 3>for new stars, is violently stripped away.

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<v Speaker 2>That is such a violent image. The galaxy is essentially

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<v Speaker 2>being flayed alive as it falls into the cluster.

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<v Speaker 3>It is a violent process. It's called ram pressure stripping.

452
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<v Speaker 3>It effectively kills the galaxy. It completely removes its ability

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<v Speaker 3>to grow or evolve.

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<v Speaker 2>But wait a minute, here's the plot hole for me.

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<v Speaker 2>What's that If the cosmic wind is strong enough to

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<v Speaker 2>rip out all the gas, why are those four globular

457
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<v Speaker 2>clusters still there? Why didn't the ornaments get blown off

458
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<v Speaker 2>the tree with the leaves.

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<v Speaker 3>This is a fantastic question, and it all comes down

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<v Speaker 3>to density. Physics is all about density contrasts. Do you

461
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<v Speaker 3>remember how I described a globular cluster a few minutes ago.

462
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<v Speaker 2>A super dense ball of.

463
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<v Speaker 3>Stars keywords there, super dense. A globular cluster is not

464
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<v Speaker 3>a stack of loose papers. It is a bowling ball.

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<v Speaker 2>Ah, the bowling ball on the passenger seat.

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<v Speaker 3>Right. If you have a twelve pound bowling ball on

467
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<v Speaker 3>the passenger seat of your convertible and you drive one

468
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<v Speaker 3>hundred miles per hour, does the wind blow it out?

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<v Speaker 2>No, it just sits there. The wind flows right over.

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<v Speaker 3>It, exactly. The globular clusters are gravitationally tightly bound. They

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<v Speaker 3>are tough little knots of.

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<v Speaker 2>Matter, so they survive.

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<v Speaker 3>They are highly resistant to gravitational tidal disruption, and they

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<v Speaker 3>are way too dense to be pushed around by the

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<v Speaker 3>ram pressure wind.

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<v Speaker 2>So the galaxy gets stripped of the gas, but the

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<v Speaker 2>bowling ball the globular clusters stay behind.

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<v Speaker 3>Precisely, they are ultimate survivors. They act as reliable tracers

479
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<v Speaker 3>for us because they are the only things tough enough

480
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<v Speaker 3>to survive the extreme environment of the Perseus cluster.

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<v Speaker 2>That really paints a picture of CDG two not just

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<v Speaker 2>as a weird scientific object, but almost as a survivor

483
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<v Speaker 2>character in a story.

484
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<v Speaker 3>It is.

485
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<v Speaker 2>It's been battered, it's been stripped, and it's been starved

486
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<v Speaker 2>to fuel for millions of years, but its dark matter

487
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<v Speaker 2>skeleton and its four toughest star clusters are still hanging on.

488
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<v Speaker 3>It's a ghost with a history. It tells the story

489
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<v Speaker 3>of its own abuse just by its current state.

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<v Speaker 2>This brings us to the bigger picture of our deep

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<v Speaker 2>look today. We found this one ghost. We used this

492
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<v Speaker 2>amazing new method finding the clusters to find the galaxy.

493
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<v Speaker 2>We verified it with the triad of telescopes. What does

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<v Speaker 2>this mean for the future of astronomy. Is CDG two

495
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<v Speaker 2>a unicorn, a one off anomaly, or are we about

496
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<v Speaker 2>to find a whole herd of these things?

497
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<v Speaker 3>The general consensus in the field is that we are

498
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<v Speaker 3>definitely about to find a herd. This discovery is a

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<v Speaker 3>proof of concept.

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<v Speaker 2>It proves the tools work.

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<v Speaker 3>It shows that the statistic method works in the real universe,

502
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<v Speaker 3>and we are entering a golden age for this specific

503
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<v Speaker 3>kind of low surface brightness detective work.

504
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<v Speaker 2>The source material mentions some specific upcoming missions that are

505
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<v Speaker 2>going to blow this wide open.

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<v Speaker 3>Yes, there are several. We are currently in the era

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<v Speaker 3>of EUCLID, which is great, as we discussed, but coming

508
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<v Speaker 3>up very soon, we have NASA's Nancy Grace Roman Space Telescope.

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<v Speaker 2>The Roman Telescope. I've heard this described by astronomers as

510
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<v Speaker 2>Hubble with a panoramic lens.

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<v Speaker 3>That is a very fair and accurate description. Roman has

512
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<v Speaker 3>the same visual resolution as Hubble, so it can see

513
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<v Speaker 3>those tiny faint point source dots, but its field of

514
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<v Speaker 3>view is one hundred times larger.

515
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<v Speaker 2>One hundred times larger at the exact same sharpness.

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<v Speaker 3>Yes, so instead of looking at a tiny patch of

517
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<v Speaker 3>the Perseus cluster and hoping to get lucky, it can

518
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<v Speaker 3>map the whole cluster and high resolution in one go.

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<v Speaker 3>You'll be able to spot these globular class populations across

520
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<v Speaker 3>huge swaths of the sky.

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<v Speaker 2>That's incredible. And there's another one mentioned in the research too,

522
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<v Speaker 2>the Verisi Reuben Observatory.

523
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<v Speaker 3>The Ruben Observatory is a massive ground based project currently

524
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<v Speaker 3>being built in Chile. It is going to conduct what's

525
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<v Speaker 3>called the Legacy Survey of Space.

526
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<v Speaker 2>And time legacy survey of space and time. What does

527
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<v Speaker 2>that actually mean.

528
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<v Speaker 3>Basically, it's going to make a high definition movie of

529
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<v Speaker 3>the entire Southern sky, scanning the whole thing repeatedly every

530
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<v Speaker 3>few nights.

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<v Speaker 2>Every few nights, So we are going to go from

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<v Speaker 2>having a few static snapshots to having a continuous moving

533
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<v Speaker 2>stream of data.

534
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<v Speaker 3>We are going to be drowning in data, petabytes of it.

535
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<v Speaker 3>And that leads to the final necessary piece of the puzzle.

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<v Speaker 3>We can't do this with human eyes anymore.

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<v Speaker 2>The source mentions astronomers turning to artificial intelligence.

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<v Speaker 3>It's inevitable. As we mentioned, finding CDG two required complex

539
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<v Speaker 3>statistical analysis a relatively small area. Now imagine doing that

540
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<v Speaker 3>for billions of objects detected by Reuben and Roman over

541
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<v Speaker 3>the entire sky.

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<v Speaker 2>A human astronomer cannot manually scan the sky for these

543
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<v Speaker 2>tiny mathematical patterns. It would take lifetimes.

544
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<v Speaker 3>You need a machine to find the needle in the haystack, more.

545
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<v Speaker 2>Like you need a machine to find the needle in

546
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<v Speaker 2>a stack of needle Exactly.

547
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<v Speaker 3>We are actively training machine learning algorithms to recognize the

548
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<v Speaker 3>specific statistical fingerprint of these globular clustered groupings.

549
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<v Speaker 2>So the AI will flag it.

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<v Speaker 3>The AI will scan the data and say, hey, look

551
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<v Speaker 3>at these specific coordinates, there is a ninety five percent

552
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<v Speaker 3>probability of a dark batter dominated galaxy hiding there. And

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<v Speaker 3>then the human astronomers will turn the big telescopes like

554
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<v Speaker 3>subru or James Web there to verify the body.

555
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<v Speaker 2>So we are literally building machines to hunt for ghosts.

556
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<v Speaker 3>We are automating the discovery of the invisible universe.

557
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<v Speaker 2>It feels like we are on the edge of a

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<v Speaker 2>major paradigm shift. For so long, we've thought of the

559
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<v Speaker 2>universe as just the stuff we can see, but this

560
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<v Speaker 2>suggests the universe is much much more crowded than we thought.

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<v Speaker 3>I think that is the inevitable conclusion here. We were

562
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<v Speaker 3>realizing that our cosmic map has huge blank spots, not

563
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<v Speaker 3>because nothing is there, but simply because we were wearing

564
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<v Speaker 3>the wrong glasses.

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<v Speaker 2>So let's bring this all together for you listening. We

566
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<v Speaker 2>started with a wild headline, a galaxy that is ninety

567
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<v Speaker 2>nine percent dark matter CDG two. We learned that it's

568
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<v Speaker 2>nearly invisible, just a faint scattering of stars three hundred

569
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<v Speaker 2>million light years away.

570
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<v Speaker 3>A textbook low surface brightness galaxy.

571
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<v Speaker 2>We learned that the way David Laie and his team

572
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<v Speaker 2>found it was sheer cleverness. They didn't look for the galaxy,

573
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<v Speaker 2>They looked for its ornaments, four globular clusters huddled together

574
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<v Speaker 2>in the background noise.

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<v Speaker 3>Using advanced statistical clustering algorithms, we.

576
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<v Speaker 2>Verified it with the avengers of astronomy Hubble, Euclid, and subru,

577
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<v Speaker 2>proving that there was indeed a faint diffuse glow holding

578
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<v Speaker 2>those clusters together, confirming.

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<v Speaker 3>The presence of the massive dark matter halo.

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<v Speaker 2>And we learned that this galaxy is essentially a victim

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<v Speaker 2>of its environment. It was stripped of its star making

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<v Speaker 2>gas by the ram pressure of the Perseus cluster, leaving

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<v Speaker 2>only the dark matter skeleton and the tough dense clusters behind.

584
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<v Speaker 3>A cosmic skelet left on the wind.

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<v Speaker 2>So what is the big takeaway here? Why does this

586
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<v Speaker 2>matter to the person listening right now on their commute

587
00:27:09.000 --> 00:27:10.200
<v Speaker 2>or doing dishes?

588
00:27:10.359 --> 00:27:13.960
<v Speaker 3>It matters because it fundamentally changes how we perceive reality

589
00:27:14.119 --> 00:27:18.200
<v Speaker 3>on a cosmic scale. For all of human history, seeing

590
00:27:18.319 --> 00:27:23.319
<v Speaker 3>is believing. In astronomy, light is matter. This discovery tells

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<v Speaker 3>us that the map is dangerously incomplete. There are massive

592
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<v Speaker 3>continents on this cosmic map that we haven't drawn yet

593
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<v Speaker 3>simply because they are dark. We are moving from a

594
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<v Speaker 3>light based cartography of the universe to a gravity based one.

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<v Speaker 2>We are finally seeing the bones of the universe, not

596
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<v Speaker 2>just the glowing skin.

597
00:27:39.880 --> 00:27:42.279
<v Speaker 3>Exactly, and that gives us a much more accurate picture

598
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<v Speaker 3>of how the universe actually works and how it evolved.

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<v Speaker 2>I want to leave you the listener with a thought

600
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<v Speaker 2>that's been sticking with me since we started prepping this research.

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<v Speaker 2>We found CDG two, this massive dark matter dominated object,

602
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<v Speaker 2>by spotting just four faint clusters, just four tiny ambiguous

603
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<v Speaker 2>dots in the darkness.

604
00:28:02.599 --> 00:28:04.119
<v Speaker 3>It really was a needle in a haystack.

605
00:28:04.240 --> 00:28:07.519
<v Speaker 2>So if we found this one ghost using just four

606
00:28:07.759 --> 00:28:12.799
<v Speaker 2>faint clues, how many billions of invisible galaxies are sitting

607
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<v Speaker 2>right in front of our faces right now?

608
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<v Speaker 3>It's a staggering thought.

609
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<v Speaker 2>How many times have we looked at a pitch black

610
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<v Speaker 2>patch of empty sky thinking it was the void when

611
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<v Speaker 2>really we were staring directly at a massive galaxy just

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<v Speaker 2>waiting for the right algorithm to reveal it.

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<v Speaker 3>The universe is likely a lot more crowded and a

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<v Speaker 3>whole lot darker than it looks to our eyes.

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<v Speaker 2>Thanks for exploring the dark with us today.

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<v Speaker 3>It's always a pleasure to be here.

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<v Speaker 2>Keep looking up everyone, even at the empty parts. Catch

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<v Speaker 2>it next time.

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<v Speaker 3>The station

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<v Speaker 2>Se
