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<v Speaker 2>Now, what are your reporting? I got a screen going

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<v Speaker 2>on here. Something just kid with my dog, something to

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<v Speaker 2>kill your dog? My dog. We're flying through there, over

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<v Speaker 2>the tree. I don't know how it did it? Okay, Damn,

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<v Speaker 2>I'm really confused. All I saw was my dog coming

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<v Speaker 2>over the fence and name was dead once you hit

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<v Speaker 2>the grill. I didn't see any cars. All I saw

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<v Speaker 2>was my dog coming over the fence. Sat, what are

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<v Speaker 2>you reporting? We got some wonder or something crawling around

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<v Speaker 2>enough here. Look, come new to window now and I

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<v Speaker 2>don't need anything. I don't want to go outside. Hello,

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<v Speaker 2>hit the buddy out here? What quin? I'm out there?

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<v Speaker 2>It's thought of a mention about text nine. I don't know.

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<v Speaker 2>Easy ann out there. Yeah, I'm welcome right heay.

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<v Speaker 1>Welcome back to another installment of our series National Park Nightmares,

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<v Speaker 1>where we continue to explore some of the most disturbing

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<v Speaker 1>disappearances and unsettling mysteries to ever take place in our

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<v Speaker 1>nation's most beautiful and unforgiving wild spaces. These are the

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<v Speaker 1>stories that leave us with far more questions than answers,

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<v Speaker 1>stories where the line between accident and something far more

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<v Speaker 1>sinister becomes impossible to ignore. Tonight, we're starting with a

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<v Speaker 1>case that's haunted the towering peaks and deep forests of

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<v Speaker 1>Colorado for more than six decades. It's the heartbreaking and

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<v Speaker 1>deeply disturbing story of a little boy named Robert Bobby

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<v Speaker 1>bees Up, a ten year old who've vanished from a

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<v Speaker 1>Catholic summer camp in the shadow of Rocky Mountain National Park.

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<v Speaker 1>What happened to Bobby on that summer afternoon in nineteen

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<v Speaker 1>fifty eight has never been fully explained, and the more

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<v Speaker 1>you learn about this case, the more unsettling it becomes.

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<v Speaker 1>This is a story of innocence lost, a massive search

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<v Speaker 1>that turned up nothing, and a grim discovery high on

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<v Speaker 1>Mount Meeker that should have brought answers but instead only

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<v Speaker 1>deepened the mystery. It's a case that stretches beyond simple

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<v Speaker 1>tragedy into the dark shadows of betrayal, cover up, and

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<v Speaker 1>unanswered questions that persist to this day. So settle in,

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<v Speaker 1>because Bobby Bisop's story is just the beginning. In the

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<v Speaker 1>summer of nineteen fifty eight, ten year old Robert Bobby

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<v Speaker 1>Bezup left his home in Denver, Colorado, for a week

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<v Speaker 1>at Camp Saint Malo, a Catholic boys camp nestled at

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<v Speaker 1>the foot of Mount Meeker just outside Rocky Mountain National Park.

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<v Speaker 1>Camp Saint Malo was a place of adventure and reflection

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<v Speaker 1>where boys hiked mountain trails, fished in cold streams, shot

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<v Speaker 1>rifles at the camp range, and took time each day

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<v Speaker 1>for spiritual devotion. It was considered a safe, wholesome environment

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<v Speaker 1>for young Catholic boys to explore the outdoors under the

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<v Speaker 1>guidance of seminarians and priests. For Bobby, Camp Saint Milo

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<v Speaker 1>was a familiar place he had visited several times before,

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<v Speaker 1>despite the challenges he faced. Born to Joe and Connie

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<v Speaker 1>buzz Up, Bobby was their only child. He was nearly

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<v Speaker 1>completely deaf and relied on lip reading, sign language, and

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<v Speaker 1>a hearing aid in his left ear to communicate. Although

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<v Speaker 1>he had difficulty speaking, especially when upset or frightened, Bobby

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<v Speaker 1>was known as a sweet natured, trusting child with an

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<v Speaker 1>adventurous spirit. No one could have imagined that Bobby's visit

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<v Speaker 1>to Camp Saint Milo in August nineteen fifty eight would

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<v Speaker 1>end in tragedy and spark one of Colorado's most enduring

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<v Speaker 1>and unsettling mysteries, a story that more than sixty years

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<v Speaker 1>later would still be raising troubling questions about the circumstances

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<v Speaker 1>of his death and about those who were responsible for

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<v Speaker 1>watching over him. On the afternoon of August fifteenth, nineteen

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<v Speaker 1>fifty eight, Bobby was part of a group of boys

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<v Speaker 1>fishing at Cabin Creek, a short hike from the main

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<v Speaker 1>instructed to return to camp for dinner. Bobby was told

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<v Speaker 1>by a counselor to head back early. The councilor later

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<v Speaker 1>claimed that Bobby followed his directions and left the group alone,

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<v Speaker 1>presumably making his way back along the familiar path, but

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<v Speaker 1>Bobby never arrived. By evening. When it became clear he

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<v Speaker 1>was missing, counselors organized a search. What began as a

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<v Speaker 1>routine check soon escalated into something far more serious. Night

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<v Speaker 1>fell and Bobby was nowhere to be found. He was deaf, alone,

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<v Speaker 1>and vulnerable in the rugged terrain of the Colorado wilderness.

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<v Speaker 1>As news spread of Bobby's disappearance, an extensive search and

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<v Speaker 1>rescue effort was launched, it became one of the largest

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<v Speaker 1>in Colorado history up to that time. Searchers included the military,

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<v Speaker 1>National Park Service, personnel, state and local law enforcement, as

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<v Speaker 1>well as hundreds of volunteers from the surrounding areas. Bloodhounds

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<v Speaker 1>were brought in to pick up Bobby's scent, and plains

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<v Speaker 1>flew overhead scouring the forests and mountains for any sign

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<v Speaker 1>of him. The search covered every inch of ground surrounding

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<v Speaker 1>Camp Saint Malo and the slopes leading into Rocky Mountain

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<v Speaker 1>National Park. Searchers on horseback, on foot, and in the

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<v Speaker 1>air combed thick forests, steep ravines, and rocky ledges. Yet,

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<v Speaker 1>despite days and weeks of effort, they found nothing. No footprints,

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<v Speaker 1>no articles of clothing, not even a hint of where

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<v Speaker 1>Bobby might have gone. After an exhaustive effort, the search

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<v Speaker 1>was eventually called off. Bobby was presumed to have gotten

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<v Speaker 1>lost and perished in the wilderness, his body left somewhere

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<v Speaker 1>out of reach of even the most determined searchers. Almost

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<v Speaker 1>a year later, in July of nineteen fifty nine of hikers,

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<v Speaker 1>three councilors, and a handful of boys from Camp Saint

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<v Speaker 1>Malo climbed Mount Meeker directly west of the camp. During

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<v Speaker 1>the hike, one of them stumbled upon a bone and

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<v Speaker 1>a scrap of clothing. The councilor who made the discovery

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<v Speaker 1>was Neil Hewitt, who at the time was in the

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<v Speaker 1>seminary and had been among the last people to see

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<v Speaker 1>Bobby alive. Further searches in the area turned up additional

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<v Speaker 1>bones and more of Bobby's clothing. Dental records confirmed that

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<v Speaker 1>the remains were his. His scattered bones were found more

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<v Speaker 1>than two miles from the camp and nearly two thousand

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<v Speaker 1>feet higher in elevation on the unforgiving slopes of Mount Meeker.

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<v Speaker 1>The location was within Rocky Mountain National Park boundaries, in

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<v Speaker 1>an area that searchers had already canvassed the previous summer.

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<v Speaker 1>At the time, authorities concluded that Bobby had simply wandered

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<v Speaker 1>too far and died of exhaustion and exposure. His death

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<v Speaker 1>was ruled an accident. He was laid to rest at

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<v Speaker 1>Fort Logan National Cemetery by his grieving parents, Joe and Comin,

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<v Speaker 1>who carried the weight of their loss for the rest

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<v Speaker 1>of their lives for years. That was the official story,

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<v Speaker 1>A tragic accident in the wild, but in the decades

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<v Speaker 1>that followed, troubling questions persisted. The area where Bobby's remains

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<v Speaker 1>were found had been thoroughly searched the previous year. How

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<v Speaker 1>could train searchers, the military and National Park rangers have

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<v Speaker 1>missed his body, especially considering how close it was to

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<v Speaker 1>previous search grids. More questions surfaced about the terrain itself.

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<v Speaker 1>Bobby was a ten year old boy with significant hearing loss,

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<v Speaker 1>unfamiliar with the complexities of the area. How could he

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<v Speaker 1>have climbed so far over such rugged, steep terrain without

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<v Speaker 1>being seen. The answers never came, and with time, the

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<v Speaker 1>story faded into a painful memory until recently, in twenty

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<v Speaker 1>twenty one, investigative reporter Kevin Vaughan of nine News and

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<v Speaker 1>the Nine Wants to Know Team brought new attention to

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<v Speaker 1>Bobby's case. Their investigation uncovered deeply disturbing revelations about Camp

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<v Speaker 1>Saint Malo and some of the men who were responsible

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<v Speaker 1>for the boys in its care. Neil Hewitt, who had

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<v Speaker 1>been one of the last people to see Bobby and

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<v Speaker 1>who later discovered his remains, was later accused of molesting

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<v Speaker 1>at least nine boys across four Colorado parishes after being

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<v Speaker 1>ordained in nineteen sixty two. He left the priesthood in

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<v Speaker 1>nineteen eighty two. Other councilors at Camp Saint Malo in

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<v Speaker 1>nineteen fifty eight, Harold Robert White and Gerald Roppola, were

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<v Speaker 1>also later revealed to be prolific child abusers. White in particular,

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<v Speaker 1>became one of Colorado's most notorious pedophile priests, with more

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<v Speaker 1>than seventy known victims. Nine Wants to Know also uncovered

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<v Speaker 1>inconsistencies in the official timeline. Hewitt reportedly found Bobby's remains

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<v Speaker 1>on July third, nineteen fifty nine, yet Father Richard Heister,

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<v Speaker 1>the camp's director, did not report the discovery to the

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<v Speaker 1>National Park Service until three days later, on July sixth.

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<v Speaker 1>The delays, the over lapping testimonies, and the disturbing history

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<v Speaker 1>of those involved prompted federal authorities to reopen Bobby's case.

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<v Speaker 1>Then came an even more stunning development. Early in twenty

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<v Speaker 1>twenty one, federal investigators obtained what is believed to be

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<v Speaker 1>Bobby Bisup's skull. For decades, it had been in the

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<v Speaker 1>possession of a Colorado family. Doctor Tom McCloskey of Denver

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<v Speaker 1>came forward and turned over the skull to investigators. He

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<v Speaker 1>revealed that his father, doctor Joseph McCloskey, a prominent member

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<v Speaker 1>of the Catholic Church and a close friend of father Heister,

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<v Speaker 1>had originally had the skull in his possession. After his

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<v Speaker 1>father's death in nineteen eighty, Tom took possession of it,

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<v Speaker 1>knowing only that it was the skull of a boy

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<v Speaker 1>who disappeared from the camp. For years, Tom tried to

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<v Speaker 1>research its origins but found nothing until he watched the

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<v Speaker 1>Nine Wants to Know documentary Mystery on Mount Meeker in

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<v Speaker 1>late December twenty twenty. Realizing the skull might belong to Bobby,

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<v Speaker 1>he contacted authorities and turned it over. The skull had

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<v Speaker 1>been kept in a paper sack in his basement for years.

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<v Speaker 1>DNA testing is now underway to confirm whether it is

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<v Speaker 1>indeed Bobby's, but records from nineteen fifty nine show that

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<v Speaker 1>Bobby's skull was never found during the original recovery. Larry Collins,

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<v Speaker 1>a seasonal National Park Service employee who helped with the

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<v Speaker 1>search that year, confirmed this fact. A Park Service report

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<v Speaker 1>also made no mention of a skull being recovered. This

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<v Speaker 1>discovery adds a chilling new layer to Bobby's story. The

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<v Speaker 1>prevailing theory is that father Heaster took possession of the

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<v Speaker 1>skull after Bobby's remains were found, and later gave it

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<v Speaker 1>to his friend, doctor McCloskey. Father Heaster has since passed away,

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<v Speaker 1>but his nephew told nine wants to know that he

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<v Speaker 1>finds the situation deeply disturbing and incomprehensible. What were they

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<v Speaker 1>hiding for? Long time prosecutor rich Orman? The findings are appalling,

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<v Speaker 1>It's astounding, he said, and to me, it shows a

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<v Speaker 1>guilty mind. I don't think you do something like this

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<v Speaker 1>to a family without a guilty mind. Orman is not

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<v Speaker 1>alone in his belief that there was an intentional effort

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<v Speaker 1>to hide critical evidence in Bobby's case. The Archdiocese of

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<v Speaker 1>Denver has stated they are cooperating with federal investigators and

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<v Speaker 1>have provided all the materials they have from their archives.

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<v Speaker 1>But the troubling legacy of clergy abuse at Camp Saint

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<v Speaker 1>Malo and the unanswered questions surrounding Bobby's death remain. Why

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<v Speaker 1>was Bobby's skull hidden, why did it take more than

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<v Speaker 1>sixty years for it to resurface, and most importantly, what

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<v Speaker 1>really happened to Bobby Bisop on August fifteenth, nineteen fifty eight.

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<v Speaker 1>For Bobby's family, the resurfacing of his story after all

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<v Speaker 1>these years, has reopened old wounds. His cousin, Harriet Dudach said,

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<v Speaker 1>She added that the revelations from the investigation left her

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<v Speaker 1>I feel. All these years, nobody knew anything, and then

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<v Speaker 1>Bobby Bisop's family has long sought. But until then, the

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<v Speaker 1>tragic story of Bobby Bisop remains one of Colorado's most

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<v Speaker 1>haunting unsolved cases, a tale of innocence lost in the

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<v Speaker 1>wrong in the wilderness, it's far from unique. There's something

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<v Speaker 1>forests and open spaces that seem to swallow people whole,

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<v Speaker 1>leaving little behind but theories and echoes. And it's in

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<v Speaker 1>we find our next story. This time we travel back

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<v Speaker 1>a place where nature draws you in with its serenity

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<v Speaker 1>and sometimes refuses to let you go and stay tuned

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<v Speaker 1>for more Sasquatch ott to see We'll be right back

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<v Speaker 1>after these messages. This is where fourteen year old Stacy

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<v Speaker 1>at Yosemite National Park. But what began as an ordinary

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<v Speaker 1>and enduring mysteries, and nearly half a century later, we're

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<v Speaker 1>summer of nineteen eighty one, a fourteen year old girl

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<v Speaker 1>named Stacy ann Airis vanished without a trace in one

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<v Speaker 1>of America's most iconic national parks, Yosemite. Her disappearance remains

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<v Speaker 1>one of the park's most baffling unsolved mysteries. Stacy was

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<v Speaker 1>an active, bright teenager from Saratoga, California. She was a

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<v Speaker 1>one hundred twenty pounds, with straight shoulder length blonde hair.

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<v Speaker 1>On the day she went missing, Stacy was wearing a

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<v Speaker 1>along with intermittent sky blue pin stripes and gray hiking

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<v Speaker 1>boots with vibrum soles. She also had a gold tone

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<v Speaker 1>Stacy and her father were on a special father daughter trip,

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<v Speaker 1>The group, totaling ten people, was riding mules through Yosemite's

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<v Speaker 1>roughly ninety four hundred feet, around three pm. This remote

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<v Speaker 1>serves as a stopover for hikers and mule riders. After arriving,

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<v Speaker 1>Stacy took a shower and settled into her cabin. She

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<v Speaker 1>and decided to take a short hike. Her plan was

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<v Speaker 1>year old man from their group to a companier They

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<v Speaker 1>down to rest not far from the trail. Stacey continued

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<v Speaker 1>who had led the mule group, who was tending to

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<v Speaker 1>the animals at the camp corral, spotted Stacy standing on

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<v Speaker 1>a rock about fifty yards south of the trail. He

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<v Speaker 1>later said she appeared to be either admiring the view

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<v Speaker 1>or possibly taking photographs. Stacy had reportedly brought a small

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<v Speaker 1>camera on the hike. That brief glimpse was the last

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<v Speaker 1>confirmed sighting of her. When Stacy didn't return promptly, her

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<v Speaker 1>father and others in the group became concerned. By evening,

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<v Speaker 1>a formal search was initiated. The search for Stacy was

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<v Speaker 1>immediate and extensive. Yosemite's search and rescue team was quickly mobilized.

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<v Speaker 1>Over the following days, more than one hundred personnel were involved,

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<v Speaker 1>including ground teams, dog handlers, mounted units, helicopters, and even divers.

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<v Speaker 1>Searchers meticulously combed the rugged alpine terrain, covering cliffs, lakes,

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<v Speaker 1>and dense forest areas around the camp and along the

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<v Speaker 1>trail to Sunrise Lakes. Despite the massive effort and ideal

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<v Speaker 1>weather conditions at the time. No significant clues were ever found,

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<v Speaker 1>no clothing, no camera, no personal items, and not a

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<v Speaker 1>single track or sign of Stacy turned up. The search

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<v Speaker 1>was ultimately scaled back after about nine days and Stacy

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<v Speaker 1>was declared missing. Several factors make Stacy's disappearance especially puzzling.

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<v Speaker 1>She was last seen within sight of the camp, in

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<v Speaker 1>an open area, not far from others. It wasn't a

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<v Speaker 1>remote or isolated trail. Her intended hike was a short

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<v Speaker 1>one and a half mile round trip. Stacy was reportedly

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<v Speaker 1>in good physical condition and accustomed to the outdoors. Despite

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<v Speaker 1>thorough search using dogs and aerial support, not even a

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<v Speaker 1>hint of evidence was found, no footprints, belongings, or clues

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<v Speaker 1>indicating where she went. She simply vanished silently, with no

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<v Speaker 1>one hearing calls for help or signs of an accident,

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<v Speaker 1>which is strange in an area where sound travels easily.

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<v Speaker 1>Many theories have been suggested over the years. Some believe

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<v Speaker 1>Stacy fell or became injured in a hard to reach area,

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<v Speaker 1>perhaps falling into one of the steep granite shoots or

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<v Speaker 1>hidden crevices that litter the region. Others wonder if an

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<v Speaker 1>a struggle or remains. More speculative theories suggest Stacy might

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<v Speaker 1>have been abducted, although no evidence supports this theory either.

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<v Speaker 1>Some paranormal enthusiasts have even tied her case to mysterious

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<v Speaker 1>disappearances in wilderness areas, often linked to the so called

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<v Speaker 1>missing four one one phenomena. Officially, Stacy ann ARUs is

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<v Speaker 1>still classified as missing. Her case remains open with the

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<v Speaker 1>now National Park Service and law enforcement agencies. Over the years,

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<v Speaker 1>there have been no credible leads or developments, No remains

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<v Speaker 1>have ever been recovered, and no physical evidence has surfaced

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<v Speaker 1>to shed light on what happened to her. In the

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<v Speaker 1>years since her disappearance, Yosemite officials have been reluctant to

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<v Speaker 1>release detailed reports about the case, which has fueled further

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<v Speaker 1>mystery and speculation among researchers in the public. Stacy's disappearance

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<v Speaker 1>is often cited as one of the strangest and most

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<v Speaker 1>chilling cases of a person vanishing in a national park.

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<v Speaker 1>It serves as a sobering reminder of how quickly and

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<v Speaker 1>quietly someone can go missing, even in the presence of

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<v Speaker 1>others and under seemingly safe conditions. Her family never gave

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<v Speaker 1>an effort to find answers, or at least bring closure.

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<v Speaker 1>The case of Stacy ARUs remains one of the most

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<v Speaker 1>haunting disappearances in the history of our national parks. A

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<v Speaker 1>young woman full of life and potential vanishes se aemingly

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<v Speaker 1>without a trace on a bright afternoon in Yosemite. No

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<v Speaker 1>clear evidence, no definitive answers, just a string of agonizing

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<v Speaker 1>questions for her family and for those who continued to

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<v Speaker 1>search for meaning in these remote wilderness vanishings. And while

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<v Speaker 1>Stacy's story took place in nineteen eighty one, decades before

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<v Speaker 1>and in a different park altogether, it's impossible to hear

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<v Speaker 1>it and not draw comparisons to another puzzling case, this

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<v Speaker 1>one much more recent, but no less mysterious, a case

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<v Speaker 1>that unfolded hundreds of miles away in one of the

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<v Speaker 1>most iconic and treacherous landscapes in America, the Grand Canyon.

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<v Speaker 1>On March thirty first, twenty eleven, Adam Clayton Lyle Jones,

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<v Speaker 1>Like Stacy, Adam was young, independent, and familiar with travel.

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<v Speaker 1>His family described him as quiet but thoughtful, intelligent, and creative.

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<v Speaker 1>His parents, who remained largely private about their lives, raised

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<v Speaker 1>him in a close knit household in the small coastal

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<v Speaker 1>town of Gulf Breeze. Nothing in his background suggested he

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<v Speaker 1>was impulsive or reckless. Yet, for reasons that still aren't clear,

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<v Speaker 1>Adam set out alone, driving west in his light blue

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<v Speaker 1>Oldsmobile Delta eighty eight, a car that was already a

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<v Speaker 1>bit of a relic. Much like his decision to travel

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<v Speaker 1>without a cell phone, he packed light, taking only his laptop.

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<v Speaker 1>He didn't mention any concerns. He simply said goodbye and left.

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<v Speaker 1>For more than a month, no one heard from Adam,

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<v Speaker 1>and then, on May fifth, twenty eleven, his car was

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<v Speaker 1>found abandoned by a park ranger at the South Rim

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<v Speaker 1>visitor Center in Grand Canyon National Park. Oddly, Adam had

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<v Speaker 1>not yet been reported missing. It was the ranger's discovery

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<v Speaker 1>in the subsequent contact with Adam's parents that set the

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<v Speaker 1>official search in motion. Inside his car, searchers found an

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<v Speaker 1>itinerary detailing stops in California and Colorado, but nothing else

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<v Speaker 1>to suggest where Adam might have gone once he reached

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<v Speaker 1>the Grand Canyon. Just like with Stacy, no physical evidence

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<v Speaker 1>has ever turned up to indicate what happened after Adam's arrival.

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<v Speaker 1>He had no phone on him, no way to communicate

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<v Speaker 1>if something went wrong, and the Grand Canyon, much like Yosemite,

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<v Speaker 1>is a vast and unforgiving wilderness where a wrong step

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<v Speaker 1>or a sudden change in weather can mean disaster. Yet

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<v Speaker 1>in Adam's case, there were no signs of distress, no

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<v Speaker 1>reports of someone fitting his description seen on the trails,

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<v Speaker 1>and no personal belongings were covered in any nearby areas.

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<v Speaker 1>The similarities are hard to ignore. Both cases involve young

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<v Speaker 1>adults who vanish without a trace in popular national parks

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<v Speaker 1>under circumstances that defy easy explanation. In both cases, there

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<v Speaker 1>were thorough searches, yet nothing substantial was ever found, and

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<v Speaker 1>both cases have left families grappling with the ache of uncertainty,

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<v Speaker 1>still searching for answers all these years later. But Adam's

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<v Speaker 1>case also raises some unique questions. Why was his car

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<v Speaker 1>parked at the visitor center for days, maybe weeks before

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<v Speaker 1>anyone noticed. Did he follow his planned itinerary or did

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<v Speaker 1>he veer off course? Was he perhaps seeking solitude or

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<v Speaker 1>something spiritual, as some have speculated, or was he the

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<v Speaker 1>victim of a tragic accident or something more sinister. Some

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<v Speaker 1>even wonder whether foul play could have been involved, although

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<v Speaker 1>there's been no direct evidence of that. Others theorize he

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<v Speaker 1>may have chosen to disappear intentionally, but his close ties

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<v Speaker 1>to his family make that theory harder to believe. Today,

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<v Speaker 1>Adam Clayton Lyle Jones remains missing. His case, much like

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<v Speaker 1>Stacy ann Aris's, is a chilling reminder of how easy

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<v Speaker 1>it is to vanish in the wild, even in places

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<v Speaker 1>that are supposed to be safe and well traveled, And

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<v Speaker 1>for both their families, the hope for answers has never faded.

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<v Speaker 1>As we close the chapter on the strange and unsettling

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<v Speaker 1>case of Adam Jones, a young man whose vanishing act

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<v Speaker 1>left more questions than answers, we moved now to another case,

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<v Speaker 1>one that echoes with many of the same eerie silences,

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<v Speaker 1>baffling details, and lingering mysteries. But this time our story

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<v Speaker 1>winds its way into the misty heart of one of

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<v Speaker 1>America's most visited, and some would say most haunted wildernesses

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<v Speaker 1>the Great Smoky Mountains National Park. It was early spring

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<v Speaker 1>twenty twelve. The Smokies were just beginning to stir from

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<v Speaker 1>their long winter. Hush ice gave way to trickling streams,

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<v Speaker 1>and leafless branches stood like dark fingers against a gray sky.

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<v Speaker 1>On March the seventeenth of that year, twenty four year

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<v Speaker 1>old Derek Joseph Luking, known to his friends as DROC

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<v Speaker 1>or simply DJ, stepped out of his hotel room at

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<v Speaker 1>the Microtail Inn in Suites in Cherokee, North Carolina. It

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<v Speaker 1>was around four am, and security cameras captured his final

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<v Speaker 1>known movements as he left quietly into the still dark mourning,

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<v Speaker 1>carrying only a small day pack on his back. No fanfare,

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<v Speaker 1>no witnesses, no clear destination. What followed was a mystery

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<v Speaker 1>that has tormented his family, baffled investigators, and sparked endless speculation.

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<v Speaker 1>But before we get to that, we have to ask

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<v Speaker 1>who was Derek Luking. Born and raised in northern Virginia,

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<v Speaker 1>Derek was a kind hearted, introspective young man. He graduated

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<v Speaker 1>from Johnson University in Knoxville, Tennessee with a degree in

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<v Speaker 1>Bible studies and worked as an orderly at Peninsula Behavioral

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<v Speaker 1>Health Center. His friends and family described him as dependable

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<v Speaker 1>and easy going, though in the months before his disappearance

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<v Speaker 1>they began to notice subtle changes. His father, Tim Luking,

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<v Speaker 1>observed that Derek had started drinking, smoking, behaviors out of

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<v Speaker 1>character for a young man who had once held himself

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<v Speaker 1>to a stricter moral code. He was restless, uncertain about

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<v Speaker 1>his future, and, as many recent graduates can attest, grappling

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<v Speaker 1>with the weight of adulthood's expectations. Still, nothing could have

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<v Speaker 1>prepared his family for what would come next. On March fifteenth,

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<v Speaker 1>Derek didn't show up for work. His roommate, Ryan Molden,

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<v Speaker 1>was the first to raise the alarm after Derek failed

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<v Speaker 1>to answer repeated calls and texts. Concern turned into dread

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<v Speaker 1>as Ryan contacted Derek's family, who immediately left their home

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<v Speaker 1>in Virginia and drove through the night to Tennessee. Searching

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<v Speaker 1>Derek's computer and personal effects, they discovered his plans searches

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<v Speaker 1>related to the Great Smoky Mountains National Park and hotel

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<v Speaker 1>reservations in Cherokee. It seemed Derek was heading for the wilderness.

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<v Speaker 1>By March seventeenth, Derek's family found his white Ford Escape

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<v Speaker 1>parked in the lower lot at Newfound Gap, a scenic

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<v Speaker 1>overlook straddling the Tennessee North Carolina state line. Newfound Gap

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<v Speaker 1>is a place where the Appalachian Trail crosses the mountains,

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<v Speaker 1>offering both awe inspiring views and beyond the trailheads a

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<v Speaker 1>vast unforgive wilderness. But what they found inside Derek's vehicle

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<v Speaker 1>only deepened the mystery. The suv contained more than one

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<v Speaker 1>thousand dollars worth of newly purchased survival gear, a tent,

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<v Speaker 1>sleeping bag, pack, axe, compass, pocket knife, knife, sharpener, lamp,

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<v Speaker 1>granola bars, one hundred feet of black parachute cord, a

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<v Speaker 1>survival belt with a multi toool, flashlight and firestarter. He

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<v Speaker 1>had pages torn from a military survival manual, his wallet

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<v Speaker 1>with cash still inside, and five empty Walmart bags from

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<v Speaker 1>recent purchases. The car keys were there. Everything he would

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<v Speaker 1>have needed for an extended stay in the wild had

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<v Speaker 1>been left untouched. It was as if Derek had carefully

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<v Speaker 1>gathered the tools for a serious backcountry adventure and then

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<v Speaker 1>changed his mind at the last second. Then came the note,

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<v Speaker 1>simple cryptic, don't try to follow me. Those five words

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<v Speaker 1>sent a chill through his loved ones and would shape

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<v Speaker 1>the trajectory of the search to come. Was it a farewell,

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<v Speaker 1>a warning, a misdirection? No one could say. Despite the

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<v Speaker 1>ominous message, Derek's family and park rangers pressed on. Search

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<v Speaker 1>and rescue teams mobilized quickly. They combed the area around

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<v Speaker 1>Newfound Gap with dog teams, helicopters, and trained personnel. Rangers

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<v Speaker 1>spoke with campers, hikers, and anyone else who might have

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<v Speaker 1>crossed paths with Derek that day, but no one had

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<v Speaker 1>seen him. On what was a sunny, bustling day in

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<v Speaker 1>the park, Derek Luking might as well have vanished into

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<v Speaker 1>thin air. Some speculated that he left the trail immediately

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<v Speaker 1>after parking, possibly heading off trail to avoid being seen.

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<v Speaker 1>Others wondered whether he might have attempted to emulate his

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<v Speaker 1>survival hero bear grills, testing himself against nature with minimal gear,

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<v Speaker 1>something his family feared he wasn't equipped to do. Despite

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<v Speaker 1>his interest in survival shows, Derek wasn't known to be

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<v Speaker 1>an experienced outdoorsman, and the Smokies beautiful as they are,

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<v Speaker 1>are dangerous place to get lost, and stay tuned for

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<v Speaker 1>more sasquatch ot to see, We'll be right back. After

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<v Speaker 1>these messages, rugged terrain, unpredictable weather, and dense rhododendron thickets

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<v Speaker 1>can disorient even the most seasoned hiker. There was a

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<v Speaker 1>potential siding along Newfound Gap Road shortly after his car

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<v Speaker 1>was discovered, but it led nowhere. Search teams walked over

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<v Speaker 1>seventy miles of trail in the surrounding areas, often pushing

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<v Speaker 1>deep into impassable brush and cliff side ravines. They used

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<v Speaker 1>every clue and hunch they could find, Yet no footprints,

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<v Speaker 1>no clothing scraps, no broken branches or disturbances. Nothing. Weeks

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<v Speaker 1>passed than months. The case took another strange twist when,

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<v Speaker 1>during the continued search for Derek, rangers discovered human remains

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<v Speaker 1>in the park. At first, there was hope grim though

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<v Speaker 1>it may be that Derek had been found, but the

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<v Speaker 1>remains belonged to another missing young man, Michael Giovanni Cocchini,

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<v Speaker 1>just twenty three years old, who had disappeared only days

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<v Speaker 1>after Derek. Couccini's car was found parked along Newfound Gap Road,

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<v Speaker 1>and his skull fragment was later located less than a

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<v Speaker 1>mile from his vehicle. Like Derek, Cocchini had seemingly wandered

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<v Speaker 1>into the wilderness and never returned. Two young men similar

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<v Speaker 1>ages disappearing within days of each other from the same

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<v Speaker 1>park pure coincidence or was something more sinister at play

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<v Speaker 1>in these mountains? For Derek's family, theories abound. Some believe

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<v Speaker 1>he planned to end his life, marking his grandfather's death

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<v Speaker 1>anniversary with his own vanishing act. But why buy so

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<v Speaker 1>much survival gear? Why leave behind tools that might have

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00:31:47.559 --> 00:31:52.279
<v Speaker 1>helped him survive? Others suspect foul play. Was Derek forced

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<v Speaker 1>to leave the note? Did he meet someone in the

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<v Speaker 1>woods that day who wished him harm? Despite hundreds of

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<v Speaker 1>miles of trail searchesmultiple dog teams, helicopters, and persistent efforts

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<v Speaker 1>by both park rangers and volunteers, no definitive trace of

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<v Speaker 1>Derek Luking has ever been found. His family still holds

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<v Speaker 1>out hope. They maintain a Facebook page help find Derek

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<v Speaker 1>Luking and continue to spread awareness, hoping one day a hiker,

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<v Speaker 1>a camper, or perhaps even Derek himself might come forward

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<v Speaker 1>with answers. His father posted a letter regarding his son's

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<v Speaker 1>disappearance on Help Find Derek a Facebook page, saying I

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<v Speaker 1>know many of you have questions concerning Derek's disappearance and

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<v Speaker 1>have seen conflicting information in the news reports. I have

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<v Speaker 1>put together the following information in the hopes of clarifying

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<v Speaker 1>questions you may have. Derek went missing Wednesday, March fourteenth,

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<v Speaker 1>from his home in Louisville, Tennessee. Over the next two days,

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<v Speaker 1>he purchased over one thousand dollars in camping supplies from

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<v Speaker 1>Bass Pro Shop, Knife Works, and Coalman's. We believe he

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<v Speaker 1>stayed at the Motel six on the fourteenth, Smokemont Campground

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<v Speaker 1>in the Park on the fifteenth, and the Microtail Hotel

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<v Speaker 1>and Cherokee on the sixteenth. His car was found March

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<v Speaker 1>seventeenth at eight thirty am at Newfound Gap in the

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<v Speaker 1>Smoky Mountains after family saw him leave the Microtail Hotel

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<v Speaker 1>alone in Cherokee, North Carolina through video footage at four am.

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<v Speaker 1>A note stating only don't look for me was found

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<v Speaker 1>in his car, along with wallet and car key. The

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<v Speaker 1>note was not addressed to anyone, so it could have

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<v Speaker 1>been for us or the rangers. The Great Smoky Mountain

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<v Speaker 1>Park Service has never quit searching for Derek, as they

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<v Speaker 1>repelled down some high cliffs March twenty ninth and did

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<v Speaker 1>not find anything. The rangers, park employees, volunteers, and trail

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<v Speaker 1>runner continue to look for him. Rangers are also still

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<v Speaker 1>looking into the investigation aspect of this case, following up

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00:33:49.799 --> 00:33:52.319
<v Speaker 1>purchases he made and trying to find out if there

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<v Speaker 1>are any other significant clues in the recent past. We

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<v Speaker 1>are extremely grateful for their continued efforts. Derek was a

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00:34:00.279 --> 00:34:04.079
<v Speaker 1>of the survivalist Bear Grill's TV show, and theoretically he

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<v Speaker 1>did have the necessary supplies to live in the woods

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<v Speaker 1>for a long period of time, but he did not

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<v Speaker 1>take all the camping gear he purchased. We believe he

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<v Speaker 1>had at least a backpack, a waterproof watch, a Bear

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<v Speaker 1>Grills survival tool pack including a multitool, small flashlight, firestarter rod,

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<v Speaker 1>a gerber pack axe, several pages of a military survival manual,

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<v Speaker 1>a knife sharpener, a compass thermometer, one hundred feet of

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<v Speaker 1>black parachute cord, a headlamp, pocket knife, iPod touch, and

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<v Speaker 1>some granola bars. He also purchased additional supplies from Walmart

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<v Speaker 1>for cash. Five empty bags were found in the car

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<v Speaker 1>with open packaging listing Walmart, but we have not been

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<v Speaker 1>able to confirm what he purchased. Appalachian Trail hikers who

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<v Speaker 1>have talked to the family have said that Derek could

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<v Speaker 1>survive for a long time with the supplies he had.

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<v Speaker 1>Searchers have hiked hundreds of miles of trails the weeks

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<v Speaker 1>after his disappearance, which include using multiple dog scent trackers,

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<v Speaker 1>three different days using helicopters, and one night helicopter. Unfortunately,

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<v Speaker 1>no significant clues were found leading to Derek, but rangers

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<v Speaker 1>still believe he is in the park somewhere, possibly off trail.

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<v Speaker 1>The Park Service initially asked our family not to search

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<v Speaker 1>directly for Derek to avoid contaminating clues, and wanted trained

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<v Speaker 1>Park Service searcher on the trails, so we handed out

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<v Speaker 1>a flyer with Derek's picture to everyone who hit the trails.

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<v Speaker 1>As the Park Services direct search wound down, we started.

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<v Speaker 1>Our family and friends, along with other concerned people, gathered

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<v Speaker 1>the twenty fourth and twenty fifth of March to search

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<v Speaker 1>for Derek. A total of over sixty people show up

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<v Speaker 1>to hike and hand out flyers. Hikers that showed up

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<v Speaker 1>hiked a total of about one hundred and seventy five

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<v Speaker 1>miles of trail, and people handed out about three thousand

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00:35:51.360 --> 00:35:54.400
<v Speaker 1>flyers to people in the park and the surrounding areas.

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<v Speaker 1>There is still the possibility that Derek is not in

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<v Speaker 1>the Great Smoky National Park. We would like to make

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<v Speaker 1>sure the information about him is available to the public.

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<v Speaker 1>The family has not given up hope on finding Derek

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00:36:06.400 --> 00:36:08.599
<v Speaker 1>and is doing anything in their power to work with

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<v Speaker 1>and help the rangers who are investigating, as well as

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<v Speaker 1>trying to make sure the information is out in the

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00:36:13.559 --> 00:36:17.400
<v Speaker 1>world as well. There is a Facebook page Find Derek

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<v Speaker 1>Luking that the family is keeping up to inform anyone

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00:36:20.199 --> 00:36:23.360
<v Speaker 1>interested about the case. Please help spread the word to

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<v Speaker 1>anyone hiking in the Smoky Mountain area to keep an

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00:36:26.159 --> 00:36:29.960
<v Speaker 1>eye out for Derek, and so the Smoky Mountains keep

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00:36:30.000 --> 00:36:34.639
<v Speaker 1>their secrets. The fog rolls in at dusk, swallowing the trail,

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00:36:35.079 --> 00:36:38.960
<v Speaker 1>The wind whispers through the ancient trees, and somewhere out there,

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<v Speaker 1>Derek J. Luking's story remains unfinished. To do in sh

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<v Speaker 1>to p
