Speaker 1: Meaning a live man like this man letting butterfly, flapping
Speaker 1: his wing big down in force.
Speaker 2: Man, it gonna cause the tree fold, letting five thousand
Speaker 2: miles away. Man, nobody's seen, nobody. You don't need no man,
Speaker 2: you don't like you follow another story and you got
Speaker 2: back to that. Man go black and dag on the panel. Man,
Speaker 2: No man, I know.
Speaker 1: And a risker. Welcome to the Jay Burdon Show.
Speaker 2: How you doing, man, doing great? Doing especially great today
Speaker 2: with the news. Yeah.
Speaker 1: See look, Uh, my inability to schedule a podcast is
Speaker 1: a is a blessing and a curse. Recurse is that
Speaker 1: I don't get nearly as much done as I should.
Speaker 1: The blessing is that sometime I delay and then a
Speaker 1: story has a major development. And that's really what I
Speaker 1: play end all a lot. Of course it's not my
Speaker 1: own inability to schedule. So obviously Tim Walls has uh
Speaker 1: seemingly retired from politics, uh as result of a massive
Speaker 1: welfare fraud scandal. I can guess that most people you
Speaker 1: know know what's going on. But if you could, Andrew,
Speaker 1: I guess, one, explain your relation to this, uh, you
Speaker 1: know why you're the person to bring on And two well, dude,
Speaker 1: what happened?
Speaker 2: Yeah, well, I'm I'm the mastermind behind all of the
Speaker 2: Somali welfare fraud.
Speaker 1: Uh Andrew Esker head of it was a photo with
Speaker 1: you one finger up in an Aka.
Speaker 2: No No. I was born and raised in Minnesota and
Speaker 2: you know, recently left there because it is America's Ukraine.
Speaker 2: And just I mean, like even like there was a
Speaker 2: like since the story kind of you know, got big.
Speaker 2: It's the thing that I didn't even know, even though
Speaker 2: I kind of knew it is like there are thousands
Speaker 2: of NGOs operating in Minnesota, and like there are more.
Speaker 2: There are four times as many NGOs operating in the
Speaker 2: state of Minnesota as there are restaurants, right, fast food
Speaker 2: you know chains, you know, regular mom and pop joints,
Speaker 2: Like total restaurants in the state of Minnesota. There's four
Speaker 2: NGOs for every every McDonald's and Subway and Burger King
Speaker 2: and you know mom and pop diner and everything else.
Speaker 2: It's insane the number, the amount of like just dark
Speaker 2: money that flows into that state to do this kind
Speaker 2: of stuff. And so yeah, I got out of there.
Speaker 2: I left after. Yeah, my family's from there. We've been
Speaker 2: from there, you know since really since the beginning of
Speaker 2: the state, and it it became so bleak, I mean,
Speaker 2: especially you know in the last the last eight years
Speaker 2: under Tim Walls. I mean it is it is hard
Speaker 2: to quantify like exactly how bad it has gotten there.
Speaker 2: Like it was it was always this you know, kind
Speaker 2: of high tax, high welfare state, which you know, that's
Speaker 2: that's not great, it's not ideal. It's not how I
Speaker 2: would want my state to be. But like you could
Speaker 2: survive in a situation like that, like much like people
Speaker 2: in you know, Vermont and Maine in New Hampshire do right,
Speaker 2: But as soon as you import a few hundred thousand
Speaker 2: people from the third world, like this is this is
Speaker 2: what happens, right, They they scam everything like that. You
Speaker 2: don't have you don't have people that feel this like
Speaker 2: sense of shame if they're you know, using public money
Speaker 2: or anything like that. You have people that see just
Speaker 2: a money lying on the ground for them to take, right,
Speaker 2: that's how they view it. And and they have to
Speaker 2: the tune of ten or twenty billion dollars and and
Speaker 2: so it it and it in along with all of that,
Speaker 2: I mean, besides all of the fraud, like like Walls
Speaker 2: took over the state and has made it like as
Speaker 2: left wing as Portland or Seattle or California or anywhere else.
Speaker 2: And the laws that they've passed, like the big one
Speaker 2: that that made me realize, like, we can't, we just
Speaker 2: can't even stay there. I've talked about it on your show,
Speaker 2: I think before is just the transgender bills, where they
Speaker 2: can they can just take your kids away from you
Speaker 2: and transition them. I was like, well, I can't. I
Speaker 2: can't have a family in a place like this, right,
Speaker 2: And so how are they able to do that? How
Speaker 2: are they able to take over the state. It's it's
Speaker 2: a massive amount of fraud. Like it isn't even just
Speaker 2: the fraud, like the financial aspect of it, but also
Speaker 2: like they've laundered this money to the Democratic Party. I mean,
Speaker 2: I think everybody's probably seen all of the stories about
Speaker 2: how like random people will have you know, twenty or
Speaker 2: thirty dollars donations to Act Blue that they had no
Speaker 2: idea were made in their name. And this has happened
Speaker 2: like millions of times. Right, So how does how does
Speaker 2: like Kamala get this massive war chest of donations. It's
Speaker 2: it's money from the public that then goes to Somali's
Speaker 2: or whoever else doing fraud, and then they kick it
Speaker 2: back to the Democratic Party for protection and they do
Speaker 2: it through that means. And so they do that. Plus
Speaker 2: like the laws in terms of voting are insane there,
Speaker 2: Like I would tell people that, Like when I went
Speaker 2: to vote in Minnesota, I would just show up at
Speaker 2: the precinct and just like say, my name right, I'm
Speaker 2: just like, yep, Andrewisker are here to vote. And they
Speaker 2: go through the thing, okay, eyes all right, yep, sign
Speaker 2: here and and then hand me a ballot and uh,
Speaker 2: and I'm I'm like, I mean, I had a few
Speaker 2: buddies that lived in my, uh my precinct, and I
Speaker 2: was like I should just like vote for them. I
Speaker 2: should just come back through the line and be like, Okay, uh,
Speaker 2: my name is John Smith, I'm here to vote. I
Speaker 2: live on this street and uh and I could have right,
Speaker 2: I mean, I wouldn't do that, because like, if anyone's
Speaker 2: gonna go to jail for for like voter fraud, it
Speaker 2: would be me, right, it wouldn't be it wouldn't be
Speaker 2: uh Abdi Abdullah or something. It would be would be
Speaker 2: me going to prison. But like, uh, you could do that.
Speaker 2: There's no I mean no foot, I d nothing. And
Speaker 2: then so even just to get registered to be able
Speaker 2: to vote, uh, to be able to walk up to
Speaker 2: the to the little old lady sitting at the table
Speaker 2: and giving him your name and your address if to
Speaker 2: ask for it, and signing a piece of paper to
Speaker 2: get a ballot. Right to register, all you have to
Speaker 2: have is a previously registered voter. And they could just
Speaker 2: vouch for eight people. So I just take I could
Speaker 2: just go down to home depot and find some illegals
Speaker 2: and say, hey, guys, you want to come vote. I'll
Speaker 2: give you twenty bucks if you go. If you go vote,
Speaker 2: I could register them that day. I can vouch for
Speaker 2: them and say, yep, he lives here, he lives here,
Speaker 2: he lives here, and boom, you've got eight voters. And
Speaker 2: then the next election they can do the same thing. Right,
Speaker 2: they can vouch for eight people. So like the state
Speaker 2: is built for election fraud, and like that system, the
Speaker 2: mechanism for election fraud that they've had there has been
Speaker 2: built over you know, a couple decades. I'm old enough
Speaker 2: droves in college when the Al Franken Norm Coleman election happened,
Speaker 2: and that one was really really tight. Right at the end,
Speaker 2: they were you know, doing a recount or whatever, and
Speaker 2: then all of a sudden they found just enough ballots
Speaker 2: for al Franken in the trunk of a car like
Speaker 2: a day or two later, like weird, crazy, and they're
Speaker 2: all for al Franken. Wow, wild Uh And then he
Speaker 2: he gets in the Senate and he of course famously
Speaker 2: that margin by one was enough to pass Obamacare. So
Speaker 2: you can thank the electoral fraud systems in the state
Speaker 2: of Minnesota from twenty years ago for why, you know,
Speaker 2: your insurance premium costs more than your mortgage. So like that's, uh,
Speaker 2: that's that's my state, man, That's that's where I came from.
Speaker 2: That's and like Tim Walls was my congressman for for
Speaker 2: many many years, and I had the displeasure of interacting
Speaker 2: with him. So I've like been very familiar with with
Speaker 2: all of this stuff. And honestly, like the you know,
Speaker 2: I don't I don't tend to be too pessimistic or
Speaker 2: blackpilled about stuff, but uh, Minnesota. The problem with Minnesota
Speaker 2: isn't even like like the Democrats or the Libs or
Speaker 2: like the you know, insane leftoid freaks that operate there,
Speaker 2: or even the NGOs or whatever, or even even the Somalis.
Speaker 2: The problem with Minnesota is the Minnesota GOP right by far.
Speaker 2: And I always tell people this because everyone thinks that
Speaker 2: like their state GOP is like the most full, like
Speaker 2: like the worst. They're just losers and cucks and and
Speaker 2: all of this. Like, man, you guys have no idea,
Speaker 2: You have no idea how bad Minnesota is. The Minnesota
Speaker 2: GOP is like it's designed to prevent anyone from like
Speaker 2: taking the bowl by the horns and doing anything like
Speaker 2: it is. It is the pre you know, twenty fifteen,
Speaker 2: twenty sixteen. GOP in like a microcosm that they they
Speaker 2: are there to lose, right, that is the point they
Speaker 2: And if any figure you know becomes outspoken and really
Speaker 2: fights tim Walls and is kind of a firebrand, like
Speaker 2: like that guy, you know, they will primary him like
Speaker 2: the leadership of the state. You people get rid of him,
Speaker 2: because right, the whole thing is a scam because you
Speaker 2: got to you gotta work with the Democrats so that
Speaker 2: your district can get grants and and and state money
Speaker 2: for roads and highways and things like that. And so
Speaker 2: if you know, if we actually start fighting them, we're
Speaker 2: not going to get any of the gibbs. And so
Speaker 2: can you imagine going back to your to your rotary club,
Speaker 2: or going back and playing at the country club and
Speaker 2: talking to all the all the people with money in
Speaker 2: your town and explaining to them why you lost out
Speaker 2: on millions of highway funding? Like do you really want
Speaker 2: to do that? Man? Uh? So, just just take it easy,
Speaker 2: don't you know? I don't need to fight. And like
Speaker 2: they had, they had a massive opportunity after twenty twenty
Speaker 2: to fix a lot of the problems where the state
Speaker 2: of Minnesota is like many other states. Uh, you have
Speaker 2: a constitutional amendment that requires a balanced budget, so every
Speaker 2: two years they have to pass a budget that will
Speaker 2: will not you know, will not go over the amount
Speaker 2: of revenue they're taking it. And so that provides a
Speaker 2: lot of leverage for a minority party if they control
Speaker 2: one of the houses in the legislature to basically say like,
Speaker 2: we're not going to vote to pass a budget and
Speaker 2: the government's gonna shut down and it's gonna be a big,
Speaker 2: huge disaster for you if you don't give us the
Speaker 2: concessions that we want. So they actually took advantage of
Speaker 2: this finally, like for the very first time this year
Speaker 2: where they were able to get the extreme radical left
Speaker 2: Minnesota legislature to concede giving healthcare to illegals, right, giving
Speaker 2: free health care to live, like, finally we're gonna stop,
Speaker 2: you know, paying out like billions of dollars to give
Speaker 2: free health care to illegal immigrants. And that's the famous
Speaker 2: vote where you know that happens. And then four days later,
Speaker 2: the former House speaker was randomly shot dead by a wacko,
Speaker 2: a lone wacko, which we can maybe get into a
Speaker 2: little bit later since Trump retweeted or retruthed or whatever
Speaker 2: conspiracy theory about that. But they finally were able to
Speaker 2: do that this past year and get the tiniest of
Speaker 2: concessions from the Democrats, from the DFL. And in twenty twenty,
Speaker 2: they could have done the same thing. They could have said,
Speaker 2: all right, we control the state Senate. Our caucus is
Speaker 2: not going to pass a budget unless it includes voter
Speaker 2: ID right. You have to have voter ID right, which
Speaker 2: would deal a massive blow to like everything, to everything
Speaker 2: that they do, their entire fraud system that they've built,
Speaker 2: and they wouldn't do it. I think with the concession
Speaker 2: that got was like some minor tax decreases in some
Speaker 2: minor cuts, right, that was it. That was all they did,
Speaker 2: like and it, but it's it's part for the course,
Speaker 2: Like that's the way they are, Like they they're utterly
Speaker 2: unwilling to like do politics as politics right there. They
Speaker 2: don't treat politics as like blood sport. They treat it
Speaker 2: which okay, like thirty years ago, yeah, okay, you and
Speaker 2: the DFL maybe yeah, you disagree on some fundamental things,
Speaker 2: but at the end of the day, like you know,
Speaker 2: we can all get along that kind of thing. They
Speaker 2: treat it like it like it's nineteen eighty four and
Speaker 2: now it's the politics obviously is like life and death. Right,
Speaker 2: these are like existential existential enemies that we have and
Speaker 2: so that they haven't learned how to win yet. And
Speaker 2: and many, I mean it's not exclusive to Minnesota. Certainly
Speaker 2: many Republicans. I mean you look at Indiana in the
Speaker 2: Indiana State Senate and how you know, they are so
Speaker 2: traitorous that they wouldn't even redistrict right, So it's it's
Speaker 2: everywhere that Republicans are this way. But but because you
Speaker 2: you have no like actual opposition. Uh, that's the biggest
Speaker 2: reason why Minnesota is this way. Whether why it's able
Speaker 2: to advance this far is is not because like, are
Speaker 2: there insane libs like Tim Walls and Keith Ellison and
Speaker 2: and Amy Klobashar and ilhan Omar in like every single
Speaker 2: state in the country. Absolutely there are, But in other places,
Speaker 2: right you at least have the groundwork for somebody to
Speaker 2: to fight them and prevent them from from get you know,
Speaker 2: gathering as much power as they have, and so like
Speaker 2: you know, in a nutshell, like that's why Minnesota is
Speaker 2: the way it is that there is no one there
Speaker 2: at all willing to fight.
Speaker 1: Well and from the outside looking in, and you see
Speaker 1: a very similar dynamic in Maine with a similar population
Speaker 1: in a similar h out of guests. Will put it
Speaker 1: that way, where you have a high trust system and
Speaker 1: you have a system that you know, there was a
Speaker 1: welfare system, and of course with any welfare there is
Speaker 1: fraud always, But when you have a common cultural understanding, again,
Speaker 1: there's always people who are going to take advantage of that,
Speaker 1: but you can count on a certain amount of commonality. Right,
Speaker 1: what is viewed as honorable and dishonorable behavior and when
Speaker 1: you bring in a group who is hyper aware of
Speaker 1: their specific identity. In the case of ill han Omar,
Speaker 1: when she is speaking Somalia is the language they speak there.
Speaker 1: When she is speaking in her native tongue, she is saying,
Speaker 1: I am an advocate of you. This is why you
Speaker 1: have sent me off to Congress. You know, my primary
Speaker 1: issue is Ethiopians seizing territorial waters off the coast of Somalia,
Speaker 1: which is I mean, I guess to her people that
Speaker 1: makes a lot of sense, but you know, somewhat bizarre
Speaker 1: as a representative of America. But regardless, right, you take
Speaker 1: that and you combine very different cultural attitudes about welfare,
Speaker 1: about what is acceptable behavior, It's like, well, what look, man,
Speaker 1: what did you think was going to happen? And so
Speaker 1: that sort of congenial view of politics, where we may
Speaker 1: we may disagree about certain things, but ultimately we're all
Speaker 1: we're all sitting down at the same table. We all
Speaker 1: love this state. It's like, well, one that goes out
Speaker 1: the window because those people do not, very clearly do
Speaker 1: not have the same values that you do. They do
Speaker 1: not have the same views of what is and is
Speaker 1: not appropriate. And I think what's what's interesting to me,
Speaker 1: and this was earlier last year, I guess. But a
Speaker 1: relevant part is, uh, Jacob Fry very closely, very nearly
Speaker 1: losing his race. Because you've seen this already in places
Speaker 1: like England, that the Left brings in a large immigrant
Speaker 1: population sort of as a as a voter bank, right
Speaker 1: as a institute or institution of fraud, as basically as
Speaker 1: a client group. But the problem is that client group
Speaker 1: reaches a critical mass and then they no longer need that.
Speaker 1: They can do their own or at least they can
Speaker 1: go one step up. So for instance, well, we don't
Speaker 1: need to be the clients of the mayor. We can
Speaker 1: be the mayor. And look, I don't live in Minnesota.
Speaker 1: I that is not that is this sort of cold
Speaker 1: comfort to you know, the what Minnesota patriots there are.
Speaker 1: But I think that's an interesting dynamic as well. So Andrew,
Speaker 1: I'm gonna throw you this is not something I believe.
Speaker 1: I know the answer you're going to give, but we'll
Speaker 1: throw it out anyway. Well, aren't these Somalis very conservative
Speaker 1: if you ask them about homosexuality, if you ask them
Speaker 1: about any one of these social issues there to the
Speaker 1: right of the Westboro Baptist church. Why do they why
Speaker 1: do they vote for communists?
Speaker 2: Andrew?
Speaker 1: Because surely these are natural conservatives, right, and if we
Speaker 1: could just tailor our messaging, we could we could we
Speaker 1: the GOP could swing these these hardcore religious voters. So obviously,
Speaker 1: you know, it's sort of a tongue in cheek question,
Speaker 1: but I will throw it to.
Speaker 2: Yeah, well it's tongue in cheek. But like that has
Speaker 2: been a serious strategy. I mean, it's not serious obviously,
Speaker 2: but like that has been a major undertaking that the
Speaker 2: Minnesota GOP has attempted over like the last decade. Is
Speaker 2: is like that same logic where it's like, well, they're Muslims,
Speaker 2: so they're they're against gay marriage, and I think they're
Speaker 2: against abortion and they like having families. Uh, so they
Speaker 2: really should vote for us, so we should do all
Speaker 2: sorts of your outreach to the Somalies. And of course
Speaker 2: it's like like you know boomer universalist, egalitarian, you know,
Speaker 2: post war consensus brain where like they they are constitutionally
Speaker 2: incapable of recognizing that, Okay, every single human being on
Speaker 2: the planet is actually not a carbon copy of you, uh,
Speaker 2: that that you as an American and in particular, as
Speaker 2: someone from the Upper Midwest are or unique. Uh that
Speaker 2: that people all over the world are very very different. Right,
Speaker 2: people from the Horn of Africa. Uh, they have a
Speaker 2: completely different way of life and a completely different view
Speaker 2: of both themselves and the rest of the world than
Speaker 2: you have. And like one. I mean. One of the
Speaker 2: reasons why they like don't think that is up until
Speaker 2: like maybe the last year or two, it was all
Speaker 2: but illegal to even begin considering whether that was true,
Speaker 2: right you You had to you had to believe that.
Speaker 2: You know, little Abdi Schamark muhammad Is uh Is is
Speaker 2: just like you, thinks exactly the same way you do.
Speaker 2: Would feel tremendous shame if he had to go on
Speaker 2: welfare and would never ever, under any circumstances take advantage
Speaker 2: of the system if he did. Right, Well, he's he's
Speaker 2: not like you. They're not like They don't think like
Speaker 2: you do. They think they think of themselves first and
Speaker 2: foremost as Somali's and they have a tremendously high in
Speaker 2: group preference, like most of the rest of the world
Speaker 2: that's outside of the West does. Right, They don't think
Speaker 2: in terms of individual They think in terms of of group,
Speaker 2: of their group, of their group, identity, and and so
Speaker 2: it's obvious like why it happens, right, because they just
Speaker 2: see these these dopes who are handing out free money,
Speaker 2: and why wouldn't why wouldn't you take it? Why wouldn't
Speaker 2: you help all of all of the people, you know,
Speaker 2: all of your friends and neighbors and relatives take advantage
Speaker 2: of the system as much as possible, so they they're
Speaker 2: all in it together. Like that's that's the thing with
Speaker 2: these daycares is in order to like collect the money
Speaker 2: for for all of this, you you have to have
Speaker 2: like dozens or hundreds of people that you know sign
Speaker 2: their kids in and sign up for the program, and
Speaker 2: then you give them a little kickback, you know, maybe
Speaker 2: you give them a couple hundred bucks a month out
Speaker 2: of you know, the thousands that they would get for
Speaker 2: each child. And and that's like that's how this works.
Speaker 2: And you also have to know that like for us,
Speaker 2: like thinking thinking of of groups as different and much
Speaker 2: less like thinking like this is better than that is
Speaker 2: totally utterly verboten, too modern, you know, post war Americans, right,
Speaker 2: completely forbidden thought to ever have, and for them, completely
Speaker 2: forbidden thing is doing anything that would harm your people, right,
Speaker 2: so they know not a single one of the people
Speaker 2: that are signing up this participating in this scam is
Speaker 2: ever going to snitch on us ever. Right, That's that's
Speaker 2: why it works. That's why, like why you don't see
Speaker 2: you know Americans doing this, for one is like you
Speaker 2: you assume like somebody is going to spill the beans, right,
Speaker 2: like somebody's gonna knarck on you. And there they they know,
Speaker 2: they are utterly assured that that's never ever, ever going
Speaker 2: to happen. And so yeah, it's it's it's it's wild.
Speaker 2: Like I mean, I've thought, I I you know, I
Speaker 2: had a conversation today with a friend of mine, uh
Speaker 2: just about you know, how we how we moved uh
Speaker 2: to Tennessee, and uh, I'm not from here, right, I'm not. Uh.
Speaker 2: It's a very very different place than I'm used to. Right.
Speaker 2: Their way of life is very different. Uh. Even the
Speaker 2: words that they use for things, it's different than the
Speaker 2: ones I do. The way uh, just cultural attitudes, everything
Speaker 2: very very different. And I was thinking, like, you know,
Speaker 2: it might take me, you know, the rest of my
Speaker 2: life living here to you know, adapt to the way
Speaker 2: of life here, to to really begin to fit in
Speaker 2: to assimilate to their way of life, and I might
Speaker 2: never I might never actually you know, be one of them,
Speaker 2: and maybe even my children won't. And my children's children
Speaker 2: might not, right, they still might be like me of
Speaker 2: someone from the Upper Midwest. And so you feel this
Speaker 2: sort of alienness, this this that you're different, that that
Speaker 2: you don't quite fit in. And and so it was
Speaker 2: and in this conversation, it's like so bizarre because, uh,
Speaker 2: everyone thinks that people from like Somalia or I can
Speaker 2: just seamlessly assimilate into being Americans when like you move
Speaker 2: from one from one region of the country to another
Speaker 2: and you don't. But you're you're you know, born and raised,
Speaker 2: multi generation uh American, and you don't fit in in
Speaker 2: different parts of the country. Yet this there's this idea
Speaker 2: that that people from the third world will just boom,
Speaker 2: they're American. They have a piece of paper and and
Speaker 2: now they are just like us. It's, uh, it's wild
Speaker 2: to t even consider that, like the disparity, like it's
Speaker 2: it's obviously not true. Right, you can't you can't expect them,
Speaker 2: I mean, one, they have no incentive to to begin with. Right,
Speaker 2: you look at the waves of European immigrants in the
Speaker 2: late nineteenth and early twentieth century, and there was intense
Speaker 2: pressure just from a from a societal standpoint for them
Speaker 2: to stop speaking their native tongues and speak only English. Uh,
Speaker 2: for them to adopt the cultural habits and mannerisms and
Speaker 2: everything else of the people here. Uh. And and one
Speaker 2: like their cultures were not so alien from our own
Speaker 2: that there wasn't that that huge, huge, huge difference, right. Uh.
Speaker 2: But even that, right, it took multiple generations for those
Speaker 2: people to assimilate and to become Americans. And it's like,
Speaker 2: I just don't I don't think it is even possible, right,
Speaker 2: I don't think. I mean I think it could. You could.
Speaker 2: They could be here five hundred years and they still
Speaker 2: would be Somali's right, they still would not be Americans. Uh.
Speaker 2: And so I think so many of the like the obvious, uh,
Speaker 2: the obvious points of failure of the post war consensus
Speaker 2: are just being laid bare now where we because of
Speaker 2: the prosperity that we've enjoyed for the last sixty years,
Speaker 2: you can kind of paper over them, you can kind
Speaker 2: of pretend it's not real. And and now now it's like, Okay,
Speaker 2: all this stuff is real and and so you and
Speaker 2: you can see it like so like boomers are as
Speaker 2: a generation pretty well off right. They have lots of
Speaker 2: as a group, lots of investments, lots of property, lots
Speaker 2: of lots of things that they enjoy. Their their standard
Speaker 2: of living is is very very high. But for the
Speaker 2: younger generation, for Zoomers and even even millennials, they've got nothing.
Speaker 2: And uh that that is always the thing where it's
Speaker 2: like people, you know, it was always it was always
Speaker 2: the thing like, oh, when are the sheep gonna wake up? Right?
Speaker 2: When are the sheep will get well? Well, nobody ever
Speaker 2: like wakes up right? Uh, and certainly not if like
Speaker 2: life is good and you can just be like catch
Speaker 2: the game last night? Did you you know, did you
Speaker 2: see that to see the end of the Steelers Ravens game?
Speaker 2: Do you believe that they missed the kick? Right? Like
Speaker 2: you could just focus on all the things that don't matter, right,
Speaker 2: because you're living in Disney World. But when when life
Speaker 2: is terrible, when life is is not good, when nothing
Speaker 2: you do seems to work right, you're not able to
Speaker 2: live the good life that your parents or your grandparents enjoyed,
Speaker 2: then then you begin becoming open to a lot of
Speaker 2: realities that everyone else just is incapable of seeing. And
Speaker 2: so I think that's why this is like sort of
Speaker 2: happening now. Where if this were ten years ago even
Speaker 2: and there was this big, massive fraud by the Somalis,
Speaker 2: the exact same things taking place, right I don't think
Speaker 2: the reaction would have been the same that it is
Speaker 2: right now. I think people would have been like, well,
Speaker 2: you know, it's not all Somali's doing this, it's only
Speaker 2: a small like some of the some of like the
Speaker 2: lib cope that you see over it. Like that would
Speaker 2: be said by conservative leaders right now is oh, it's
Speaker 2: not awesome. We can't blame all the Somalis for, you know,
Speaker 2: the things that have happened, like the one big like
Speaker 2: Minnesota influence you know, Republican influencer guy. I think he's
Speaker 2: paid by the Republican Party. I don't really know. This
Speaker 2: Dustin Grage guy is kind of a big joke because
Speaker 2: like a year or two ago, he was he was
Speaker 2: actually like saying the same stuff you were, you know,
Speaker 2: saying a tongue in cheek earlier, where it's like, well,
Speaker 2: actually the Somalis are natural conservatives and that stuff.
Speaker 1: Like that, and now phrase I'm issuing a fought baw
Speaker 1: like I am. Whoever types that coming to your house,
Speaker 1: We're gonna fist fight in the parking lot like that.
Speaker 1: That is I'm joking, of course, but genuinely like that
Speaker 1: is one of the dumbest phrases and ideas. And to
Speaker 1: your point, right, yeah, these sort of internal contradictions can
Speaker 1: be sort of ameliorated by abundance, right, So it doesn't
Speaker 1: it's not true, but yeah, there's nothing really causing me
Speaker 1: pain here, so whatever. You know, It's like we all
Speaker 1: have these situations in our social life where it's a
Speaker 1: you know, something that obviously isn't true. These genes make
Speaker 1: my butt look big whatever, where you're like, fine, sure, whatever,
Speaker 1: but the answers, yeah, I guess, depending on you know
Speaker 1: who you are and who's asking. But in all seriousness, right,
Speaker 1: when that when it becomes painful, when all of a
Speaker 1: sudden you're like, wait a minute, I need to earn
Speaker 1: a buck forty a year to be middle class. I'm
Speaker 1: not even close to middle class anymore.
Speaker 2: Yeah, why am I?
Speaker 1: Why am I falling down the socioeconomic ladder? Why am
Speaker 1: I downwardly mobile? And you look to your right and
Speaker 1: you're like, wait a minute, these guys are getting lambeaus.
Speaker 1: He's got a Rolls Royce as a guy who owns
Speaker 1: a daycare, Like, wait a minute, So I'm getting screwed.
Speaker 1: He's getting a ton of money. And if I have
Speaker 1: an objection to that, it's white supremacy. And there are
Speaker 1: two things from that, which is one, I guess white
Speaker 1: supremacy doesn't sound so bad if you believe what Tim
Speaker 1: Walls does. Or alternately, it's well, why would I sign
Speaker 1: up for this? Like this is a bad deal. And
Speaker 1: to your point about you know, the kind of death
Speaker 1: knell of the post war consensus. The writing has been
Speaker 1: on the wall for a while, but there have been
Speaker 1: several parts about it, you know, And I don't want
Speaker 1: to turn this into a discussion about foreign policy, but
Speaker 1: to me, the other side of that, right, the rules
Speaker 1: based international order, the idea that war is illegal. We
Speaker 1: don't do this anymore. Well, one, we never stuck to it,
Speaker 1: but at least there was a fiction Russia Ukraine kicks off.
Speaker 1: We clearly we're not a fan of that. Nonetheless, it
Speaker 1: is still happening, or alternately, now we're doing it ourselves.
Speaker 1: So no one believes that fig leaf anymore. Right, that's clearly,
Speaker 1: to pick a metaphor from a book you may have read,
Speaker 1: the sacred tree has been chopped down, right, no one
Speaker 1: believes in it anymore. And similarly, at home, this idea
Speaker 1: of like magic dirt theory, and this idea that if
Speaker 1: we bring the entire population of mogod Isshue to Minnesota,
Speaker 1: we will have created I don't know how many people
Speaker 1: live in mogod Isshue, but let's just say a million
Speaker 1: new Midwesterners. Well, that's plainly not true. Now, that doesn't
Speaker 1: necessarily change the political calculus of who is in charge.
Speaker 1: But that narrative, right, that kind of central religious thrust
Speaker 1: that has kind of animated the US Empire, both you know,
Speaker 1: abroad and at home. I mean, that's dead man, that's
Speaker 1: completely and totally dead. And weirdly enough, this this idea
Speaker 1: of kind of you could say, like you know, human fungibility,
Speaker 1: the idea that you can take someone from anywhere and
Speaker 1: they are identical to someone from anywhere else. Right, humans
Speaker 1: are just these kind of interchangeable widgets that can be
Speaker 1: plugged in and out of different cultures. I think that
Speaker 1: that idea was really only possible due to that question
Speaker 1: being theoretical. Right when it's something I see on the
Speaker 1: and you saw this with gay marriage, right, where this
Speaker 1: is something when it's will and grace, even if it's
Speaker 1: not true, it's easier to kind of delude yourself because oh,
Speaker 1: it's on the TV, it's far away. But when it's
Speaker 1: in your face, when you're like, wait a minute, this
Speaker 1: isn't right. We're not the same thing here. Yeah, sure
Speaker 1: your passport has the same stamp that mine does, but
Speaker 1: we're clearly going about a different project. I mean, I
Speaker 1: think that that is very difficult to patch over in
Speaker 1: a time where there's not a lot of surplus to
Speaker 1: go around. So I believe we mentioned this kid, Nick Shirley,
Speaker 1: who exposed a lot of this. This scandal was going
Speaker 1: on beforehand, but he in and showed up at the location.
Speaker 1: Was like, wait a minute, this isn't a daycare. There
Speaker 1: are six corporations registered to this abandoned building in the
Speaker 1: middle of the hood. I don't think there are children here.
Speaker 1: Several things there. One I sort of jokingly mentioned the
Speaker 1: reaction from Tim Walls where he throws up his hands
Speaker 1: and says it's white supremacy. But I don't know if
Speaker 1: you caught this, and I don't remember who did it.
Speaker 1: I believe he was a journalist or maybe a foreign
Speaker 1: policy fella. I can't remember who. Basically, you know, quote
Speaker 1: tweeted this and said, I can't wait until you know
Speaker 1: that this sort of I think he used the term
Speaker 1: vigilante journalism encounters the castle doctrine.
Speaker 2: Yeah, yeah, wasn't he like a reporter for The Atlantic,
Speaker 2: one of those.
Speaker 1: Outlets, one of those rags, right, several things there.
Speaker 2: One.
Speaker 1: I don't believe Minnesota has whichever law he was mentioning,
Speaker 1: but that sort of.
Speaker 2: It doesn't have stand your ground laws. It's like one
Speaker 2: of the few states that that doesn't in duty veteran
Speaker 2: but duty to retreat in Minnesota just.
Speaker 1: Don't hurt me. But point is just wishing for this
Speaker 1: man to be killed, saying we should like and we
Speaker 1: saw as some of his footage he was being physically threatened.
Speaker 1: And I'm curious, what do you make of that? Oh
Speaker 1: you pointed this out, we should or someone should kill you.
Speaker 1: It's obviously not a rhetorical position expressed by many people,
Speaker 1: at least explicitly. You know, a few people are dumb
Speaker 1: enough to put that in text, so to speak. Yeah,
Speaker 1: but nonetheless, like that does seem to be the reaction
Speaker 1: here is basically like, oh, we're going to either assassinate
Speaker 1: your character by calling you a white supremacist or advocate
Speaker 1: for community policing.
Speaker 2: Yeah, yeah, I mean number for one, like they haven't
Speaker 2: gotten any less violent after they killed Charlie Kirk. I
Speaker 2: mean even like yesterday or last night, some apparent like
Speaker 2: TF went to jd Vance's house in Ohio and tried
Speaker 2: to break in and and kill him, and uh and
Speaker 2: and so like, yeah, the the they are not They're
Speaker 2: not putting the woke away. They're not putting the violence
Speaker 2: away at all. So that's that's one of the things
Speaker 2: I think that's on like the you know, the bottom end,
Speaker 2: like they have this limitless reservoir of of losers to
Speaker 2: go do violent stuff to people on the one end,
Speaker 2: but then on the top end of it, right like
Speaker 2: he's he's going to get sued for defamation by one
Speaker 2: of these you know, Somali's And look, the State of
Speaker 2: Minnesota is helping like helping make that case right now,
Speaker 2: saying oh no, all of these all of these daycares
Speaker 2: are totally legitimate. Like you saw the maybe you saw this.
Speaker 2: There was like a Craigslist post in Minneapolis looking for
Speaker 2: child actors to come when the investigators cut you know,
Speaker 2: investigators tell them, yeah, we're gonna come on Monday, and
Speaker 2: they're scrambling to find a bunch of like random children
Speaker 2: to pay to sit in the daycare. Imagine answering that
Speaker 2: ad and like sending your child there.
Speaker 1: But uh so, like Andrew, they're making a really funny
Speaker 1: idea for a hidden camera and all you have to
Speaker 1: do is put on one of those little propeller hats
Speaker 1: and pretend to be four years old.
Speaker 2: Yeah maybe maybe maybe I could do that. That might work.
Speaker 1: Look, if they can pretend to be autistic, you can
Speaker 1: pretend to be four years old. This is a this
Speaker 1: is a that's true to be logically consistent.
Speaker 2: Like I mean that is that is the funny thing.
Speaker 2: Uh like bringing up the pretending to be autistic thing,
Speaker 2: Like you remember when the one woman in Rochester, Yeah yeah, yeah,
Speaker 2: like the controversy there, right, and they kept saying that
Speaker 2: this is a five year old who's autistic. Well, that
Speaker 2: five year old is like bigger than my ten year
Speaker 2: old in the video he's eight. Yeah, and like who
Speaker 2: was like, you know, uh, digging through a bag or whatever.
Speaker 2: And and like the Rochester naacp uh launched their own
Speaker 2: like GoFundMe for you know whatever Somali fila. Well one
Speaker 2: like the guy taking the video was a registered sex
Speaker 2: offender uh and who was at a park without any
Speaker 2: children of his own, which is weird obviously. Uh. And
Speaker 2: two like that kid uh you know that he claims
Speaker 2: to be five years old and autistic Like that opened
Speaker 2: up the Yeah, that opened up Pandora's box of Wait
Speaker 2: a second, what's going on here? Like I have uh
Speaker 2: an autistic son, and I knew I knew this scam
Speaker 2: was going on like the whole time because like when uh,
Speaker 2: when I first went to one of these places to
Speaker 2: have him like formally diagnosed, were there like the waiting
Speaker 2: room and half the people there were Somali. I'm not like,
Speaker 2: you know, making that up. I'm not like exaggerating. Half
Speaker 2: of the people in the waiting room are Smali families
Speaker 2: with their kids. And I remember thinking, I'm like, uh,
Speaker 2: that's weird because half of the population of Minnesota is
Speaker 2: not Somali, But why why are there so maybe just
Speaker 2: you know, lined up, they all had the day off
Speaker 2: that day or something or whatever. You know, you kind
Speaker 2: of put it out of your mind. But then I
Speaker 2: would take my son to like other appointments like speech
Speaker 2: therapy and things like that, and same situation in the
Speaker 2: waiting room, Like it'd be me there and like one
Speaker 2: other you know, uh, you know, white mom or dad
Speaker 2: with their kid, and then the rest of the people
Speaker 2: there would be Somali. And I'm like and after it
Speaker 2: happened a few times, I was like, huh, seem to
Speaker 2: be noticing a pattern here that all of the like
Speaker 2: autism stuff, all of the resources for autism are are
Speaker 2: like overwhelmingly going to Somali's. That's weird. So I mean
Speaker 2: maybe they must be just like vaccinating the crap out
Speaker 2: of these kids or or it's all fake, it's not
Speaker 2: real and they found something to scam and it turns
Speaker 2: out like yeah, obviously that's what they were doing.
Speaker 1: Uh.
Speaker 2: They would go to you know, doctor Shamark Muhammad, you know,
Speaker 2: a psychologist, and he'd be like you'd look at their
Speaker 2: kid for ten seconds, Yep, autism all right, Now, go
Speaker 2: to Department of Human Services and like take all the money,
Speaker 2: like and the resources there are extremely generous, like they
Speaker 2: have they have a program called paid parenting, right, so yeah, yeah,
Speaker 2: if you have an artistic child, you could sign up
Speaker 2: for it and and get paid thirty dollars an hour
Speaker 2: to watch your own kid. And so so wow, crazy
Speaker 2: how many autistic children there are in Minnesota that are Somali's.
Speaker 2: Like every kind of thing, uh that can be scammed,
Speaker 2: they scam it. And and so yeah, like every child
Speaker 2: in Minnesota, the Somali Is is on the autism spectrum. Apparently.
Speaker 2: It's uh, it's yeah, it's it's a thing that's that's
Speaker 2: gone on for for so long, and it's so obvious
Speaker 2: and like every everybody knows it. And and like all
Speaker 2: of these you know, care providers or whatever, they don't
Speaker 2: care because the money is good to them, so they'll
Speaker 2: they'll do all the therapy things and everything else, and
Speaker 2: it is it is all so obviously fraudulent. But but yeah,
Speaker 2: I think like the uh, yeah, the thing that that
Speaker 2: you're you're getting at is that I mean I've seen
Speaker 2: it from just like people back home that in the
Speaker 2: past were you know, it would be like mortified to
Speaker 2: be critical of the Somaldis. They they now are like, yeah,
Speaker 2: they all got to go. They all need to go,
Speaker 2: Every single last one of them needs to get out
Speaker 2: of here. And and and it's like, well, what what
Speaker 2: has changed? And I think a lot of it is
Speaker 2: like it's regular people that are, you know, working forty
Speaker 2: fifty sixty hours a week to just keep their heads
Speaker 2: above water. And then they see these people driving around
Speaker 2: in range rovers and BMW's and scamming, scamming them, and
Speaker 2: they know that they're paying for it and that they're
Speaker 2: working their butt off just to provide for their families.
Speaker 2: And it's like, no, I don't all of them need
Speaker 2: to go. I don't care what you call me. I
Speaker 2: don't care if him Walls says it's white supremacy or whatever.
Speaker 2: And even in that like weird press conference that he did,
Speaker 2: it's like, well, there's way more fraud that white people do, right,
Speaker 2: he like asserts this, and it's like, well, I mean,
Speaker 2: we can get into per capita if you want. But
Speaker 2: even setting that aside, like most of these programs, like
Speaker 2: the daycare program itself, white people are not eligible for
Speaker 2: it at all. It was for you know, minorities and
Speaker 2: migrants right specifically, So like if I wanted to set
Speaker 2: up one of these daycares, I would not have been
Speaker 2: able to get any of any of the free moneies
Speaker 2: from the federal government, from the state government that that
Speaker 2: they get, right, So like this is simply not true.
Speaker 2: And I remember thinking about that, Yeah, just that specific issue,
Speaker 2: right that or all of the SBA loans that go
Speaker 2: to that go to you know, the Patel cartel to
Speaker 2: buy up all the all the motels around the country,
Speaker 2: or you know, to buy all the gas stations and
Speaker 2: convenience stores and liquor stores and things like that, and
Speaker 2: thinking like it's it's crazy that, uh, I have worked
Speaker 2: my entire life just to barely, you know, get by
Speaker 2: that My parents did the same thing, that everybody I
Speaker 2: know that I grew up with have done the same thing,
Speaker 2: and people from the Third world can just come here
Speaker 2: and get free stuff that we have to pay for.
Speaker 2: It becomes like extremely infuriating right where It's like it's
Speaker 2: it's one thing if right, economic times are rough everybody
Speaker 2: and everybody's just trying to get by, you know that
Speaker 2: that happens, right, That's that, that's life. It's it's like
Speaker 2: totally another thing when these foreign people come here and
Speaker 2: they're scamming the system that you're paying for. Right you
Speaker 2: begin you begin thinking like, whoa, It's like the entire
Speaker 2: system is set up for me to pay for them,
Speaker 2: to extract every bit of wealth from our country from
Speaker 2: you know, working in middle class white people to to
Speaker 2: like one hundred million Third worlders in the country. And
Speaker 2: you begin begin having those thoughts, and it's like wait, wait, wait,
Speaker 2: those are forbidden thoughts. You're not allowed to think that, right,
Speaker 2: You're not allowed to think think any of those things,
Speaker 2: and and you just kind of have to either break
Speaker 2: through it or not, right, either stay in the mental
Speaker 2: prison or you're like, yeah, actually all of this stuff together,
Speaker 2: Like the point that you bring up, it's like white,
Speaker 2: why are Muslims and like transgenders and you know, radical
Speaker 2: feminists and all of these disparate groups that seem to
Speaker 2: have nothing in common, right, why are they all on
Speaker 2: the same side. And it's like, well, what is the
Speaker 2: one thing that they have in common. It's that you know,
Speaker 2: they're not white, they're not Christian, and they're not male.
Speaker 2: It's like they've identified an enemy, like white Christian American males,
Speaker 2: and they're all joining together to fight that, right, it's
Speaker 2: the uh, you know, Steve Sailor's coalition of the Fringes. Right,
Speaker 2: they have they have one group, right, Americans who are
Speaker 2: predominantly Christian and and particularly the man like that is
Speaker 2: the enemy. That is the enemy. They they want to expropriate,
Speaker 2: they want to destroy, and and like that light bulb
Speaker 2: turns on and it's impossible to turn it off after that,
Speaker 2: where it's like, oh, I see what's going on? Right
Speaker 2: that Otherwise it makes absolutely no sense, Like why, yeah,
Speaker 2: why would Muslims be on the side of gay people
Speaker 2: and transgenders and things like that if they're so devoutly religious.
Speaker 2: It's like, well, their group interests align with with that group, right,
Speaker 2: that's why you know all all of politics actually is
Speaker 2: that way. It isn't It isn't just a collection of
Speaker 2: random individuals, and like these are forbidden things to say,
Speaker 2: like especially among Christians, among evangelical Christians in America who
Speaker 2: have imbibed this this sort of individualist of egalitarian view
Speaker 2: for generations now, and like the the one verse that
Speaker 2: they all know they know it even more than judge
Speaker 2: not lest you be judged is is Galatians three twenty eight. Right,
Speaker 2: is there is neither male nor female, you know, juwe
Speaker 2: nor Greek slaver free right, all are one in Christ.
Speaker 2: And so they take that verse and they apply that
Speaker 2: to everything in life. Right, that there are no distinctions
Speaker 2: between any groups, there's no distinctions between men and women,
Speaker 2: which is not what the apostle was saying at all,
Speaker 2: because then that becomes a proof text for transgenderism, right,
Speaker 2: And it's that's not what's being said. It's that there's
Speaker 2: there's no distinctions within within the kingdom of God, but
Speaker 2: within the kingdoms of n there there are always are,
Speaker 2: There are distinctions between men and women. There are distinctions
Speaker 2: between right, this nation and that nation, this group in
Speaker 2: that group. And and I mean, what is happening now
Speaker 2: is all of you know, the Emperor has not been
Speaker 2: wearing any clothes, and he's been towerking out in the
Speaker 2: street for a long time, and everyone's pretending that, Nope,
Speaker 2: this is totally normal. He's fully clothed and and operating
Speaker 2: with full decorum. And you you simply can't avoid it
Speaker 2: any longer. You you either see reality for it is,
Speaker 2: or you continue descending into madness trying to cope your
Speaker 2: way into intermitting in the good graces of the regime,
Speaker 2: right that that ultimately was is is what's taking place.
Speaker 1: Yeah, I mean there's a there's a lot there. I mean,
Speaker 1: I think that to your point about both either the
Speaker 1: the fact that the incentive structure is set up to
Speaker 1: create this exact situation. And so you have a group
Speaker 1: of people who shore maybe conservative religiously, they may be
Speaker 1: conservative on issues of sex and gender. But it's two things. One,
Speaker 1: it is very difficult to get a man to notice
Speaker 1: something that he is paid not to notice. And if
Speaker 1: you are getting a Lamborghini out of this, that's a
Speaker 1: hell of a bribe.
Speaker 2: Yes, Yeah.
Speaker 1: Also there's a world of difference, as we've seen with
Speaker 1: ilhan Omar, between being conservative of their culture and conservative
Speaker 1: of your culture, completely unrelated concepts. And again, right, we
Speaker 1: have to understand that this isn't just a direct bribe.
Speaker 1: This isn't just the billions of dollars given out to this.
Speaker 1: There's also that you don't have to live in Mokedishu anymore,
Speaker 1: which is a pretty good pride, right, like comparatively a
Speaker 1: failed state to you know, Minnesota, which is someone who
Speaker 1: loaths going you know, north of the Mason Dixon line.
Speaker 1: Not my favorite place in the world. But I would say.
Speaker 2: It was wonderful. It used to be great.
Speaker 1: Still better than mogod issue, but way better. Yeah, alternately again, right,
Speaker 1: you're you're completely right to point out that sort of antipathy,
Speaker 1: that right, that they are pulling in the same direction
Speaker 1: because of who they dislike, who they hate. And I
Speaker 1: think that that's another, like another big part of it.
Speaker 1: And I think that this is one of the many
Speaker 1: reasons that kind of normal, good conservatives truly do lack
Speaker 1: a theory of mind for progressives in their client groups. Yeah,
Speaker 1: because that that sort of antipathy is not mirror imaged.
Speaker 1: You see some of it, but it is fundamentally. The
Speaker 1: MAGA movement is the most liberal movement in America currently
Speaker 1: on the board, Right, they are the ones who still
Speaker 1: deep down actually believe the post war consensus, actually believe.
Speaker 1: And this isn't to say that, you know, the progressives
Speaker 1: calling everyone a Nazi, haven't I have those same kind
Speaker 1: of that same theology, but they're not nearly as consistent
Speaker 1: about it. Right, They're more Machiavellian, they're more Schmidian. Funnily enough,
Speaker 1: right to you, the word that's been sort of tainted recently,
Speaker 1: And I think that additionally, the left and the right
Speaker 1: have a very different conception of conflict, where the right,
Speaker 1: I think, views conflict as me versus you, and they
Speaker 1: view it very much in sort of a rational material way,
Speaker 1: where we're in conflict because you were preventing me from
Speaker 1: doing this or you want this, and so I do,
Speaker 1: and they sort of dismiss that sort of abject hatred.
Speaker 1: So not only is that one difference, but another one
Speaker 1: is that the left version of conflict, in my mind,
Speaker 1: is tripartite. You have abuse or abused, which is the
Speaker 1: sort of analysis you can get from Dave Ruben, a
Speaker 1: conservative luminary. But there's a third role, and I think
Speaker 1: this is the difference between the different types of sort
Speaker 1: of progressive foot soldiers. You have victim, which is many
Speaker 1: of these client groups substitute your favorite one in. But
Speaker 1: also you have a third figure, you have an advocate.
Speaker 1: And so I think for many people, especially as material
Speaker 1: conditions decline, especially as the patronage network becomes more and
Speaker 1: more shifted towards new arrivals, they are getting paid off
Speaker 1: in kind of like social or emotional patronage. They're getting
Speaker 1: paid off in as the Internet would have said fifteen
Speaker 1: years ago, like feels overreals. You get to be not racist,
Speaker 1: you get to be better than the judge the people
Speaker 1: that you heat, And so I think that's the benefit.
Speaker 2: Right.
Speaker 1: On one hand, they get to wield the consensus apparatus
Speaker 1: to define who is virtuous and who is a sinner,
Speaker 1: who is a heretic, who is a Nazi? And on
Speaker 1: the other one, they can just pay you. And is
Speaker 1: it always one or always the other? No, it's quite
Speaker 1: often both. You know, these are not mutually exclusive categories.
Speaker 1: But I think that conservatives do understand progressives better than
Speaker 1: vice versa. In some ways, we live in a culture
Speaker 1: saturated in progressive values. If you are in a progressive bubble,
Speaker 1: you will almost never have to actually encounter a conservative
Speaker 1: quote unquote person. The reverse is not true in all
Speaker 1: but a few extreme examples. But I don't think they
Speaker 1: have a theory of mind. I don't think they understand
Speaker 1: the deep antipathy. And I think another part of this, Andrew.
Speaker 2: Well, I think I think Jay's sorry to interrupt you,
Speaker 2: but I think they do, like the conservative has some
Speaker 2: semblance of a theory of mind of the lib where
Speaker 2: at least in a in a surface level way right,
Speaker 2: So like if you took you know, you you bring
Speaker 2: a random chud and a libtard together, right, the Chud
Speaker 2: will be able to before the libtard ever says what
Speaker 2: he thinks about any Like you play you know, a
Speaker 2: game like s Categories, except it's like political cultural stuff.
Speaker 2: And you name a category, right, you name an issue, like,
Speaker 2: the chud will be able to explain exactly what the
Speaker 2: lib believes and why, like on every single issue, right,
Speaker 2: one after the you go through the news, Right, you
Speaker 2: open up ancient technology newspaper and you go through each story.
Speaker 2: What do you think about that? I can tell you
Speaker 2: what you think? But the inverse is not true of
Speaker 2: the lib right, they will not be able to They'll
Speaker 2: they'll in their minds, it's like a two thousand and
Speaker 2: four Bush era conservative, that's how they think. Like they're
Speaker 2: stuck in like the Daily Show in terms of their
Speaker 2: theory of mind of the conservative. So they'll like throw
Speaker 2: out these arguments and and there's like twenty years out
Speaker 2: of date, right, they cannot begin to under They'll be like,
Speaker 2: what you say, you're for family values, but Donald Trump,
Speaker 2: you know, sleeps with porn stars. Right, how can you
Speaker 2: vote for him, Like they'll make that argument and think
Speaker 2: like that's a major own and and the chud will
Speaker 2: be like, who cares, I don't care, Like he's he's
Speaker 2: on my side, That's why I voted for him, Like
Speaker 2: they have no so at least on like the surface level,
Speaker 2: for the conservative, there is some theory of mind. But
Speaker 2: on like the deeper level, like you're saying, the conservative,
Speaker 2: the chud, the right winger generically is unless they're like
Speaker 2: on the online right right, unless they're like a person
Speaker 2: watching this show, they won't be able to explain exactly
Speaker 2: why do the why does the lib think that? You
Speaker 2: can explain what they think, but you can't explain why
Speaker 2: they think that right, And it's like, yeah, deep down,
Speaker 2: they hate you. That's what it is like. They hate you.
Speaker 2: It isn't just like they have some dumb ideological view
Speaker 2: that you think is idiotic. It's that they hate you
Speaker 2: and they want you dead right at the very core.
Speaker 2: And although some of that is beginning to change, I
Speaker 2: think right with Charlie Kirk being murdered and seeing the
Speaker 2: reaction to it, I think a lot of people were
Speaker 2: finally like, finally, who would deny? Like and I can
Speaker 2: tell you that like personal examples of friends who who
Speaker 2: kind of you know, fit this bill that if I told,
Speaker 2: like two years ago, if I said, hey, like most
Speaker 2: libs they hate you and want you dead, like, they
Speaker 2: would look at me like I'm insane, right, No, go,
Speaker 2: they just they believe stupid things. Man. You can't say
Speaker 2: that about them, no way. But after Charlie was murdered
Speaker 2: and you see them celebrate it, I got messages and
Speaker 2: calls from friends. We're like, dude, I think they all
Speaker 2: hate us and want us dead. And I'm like, yeah, man,
Speaker 2: you called me insane for saying that a year ago,
Speaker 2: and the first time now you agree with me, you know,
Speaker 2: uh so I think that is changing. But again, it's
Speaker 2: only like the younger people, right, It's only people like
Speaker 2: under forty that are getting that. Anyone who anyone who
Speaker 2: kind of got theirs uh is, is going to be
Speaker 2: willfully oblivious for the same reasons that you said, like
Speaker 2: their their pay is dependent on them not getting it.
Speaker 2: So any anyway, I totally interrupted you your train of
Speaker 2: thought there, and I apologize.
Speaker 1: Sort of synthesize several points we've been kind of hovering around.
Speaker 1: To me, I think the most interesting aspect of this
Speaker 1: to look at is the kind of House conservatives, the
Speaker 1: the good conservatives, right, French, Dray or a couple of others, Uh,
Speaker 1: you know, the normal people I make fun of on
Speaker 1: the internet. And uh, French wrote a really interesting article
Speaker 1: called It's in the New York Times. You can find
Speaker 1: it on my sub stack. I wrote a response to
Speaker 1: it called you know what happens if you fail to
Speaker 1: recognize America as in decline? And he's sort of seething
Speaker 1: and maulding over the fact that like five years ago,
Speaker 1: a bunch of like conservatives on parlor back when that
Speaker 1: was an app we're making fun of him and that's,
Speaker 1: you know, kind of embarrassing or whatever. But what's interesting
Speaker 1: if we sort of dig into it, is that ultimately
Speaker 1: there's sort of a creeping recognition and creeping fear from
Speaker 1: those people that their God is dead right, that they're
Speaker 1: the post war consensus is gone, that no one deep
Speaker 1: down believes a lot of this anymore, and that people
Speaker 1: are angry, and that the previous guardrails of like, oh,
Speaker 1: you can't talk about that, you can't say that that's
Speaker 1: not true conservatism, that's not American. But those are going away.
Speaker 1: And of course i'm speaking, you know, euphemistically here, but
Speaker 1: I think genuinely that's a large part of the hatred
Speaker 1: that we're seeing. And I think this is why it
Speaker 1: sort of came up really intensified after Obama term two,
Speaker 1: because it was we did it, we did it, read it,
Speaker 1: we got our Messiah, you know, MLK is returned, We're
Speaker 1: going to get socialism. And it didn't happen. And not
Speaker 1: only did it not happen, but since then there have
Speaker 1: been and I'm not talking about in a sense of
Speaker 1: political victories, because the left has been stacking those for
Speaker 1: a long time, but the common consensus they enjoyed where
Speaker 1: they were the default winners, where they had the default morality,
Speaker 1: and so they could just sit there and accrue wins,
Speaker 1: that is going away, right, That common moral consensus that
Speaker 1: paradoxically they attacked for generations was also the same core
Speaker 1: thing that enabled them to say, you're a you're a
Speaker 1: white supremacist, go away. Oh you know, Abdul abdul here,
Speaker 1: he's just as American as you are.
Speaker 2: Even more, is that, yeah?
Speaker 1: Exactly, because that again depended on a common consensus, a
Speaker 1: common post war consensus that is truly dead and gone.
Speaker 1: And so I think that a lot of the history
Speaker 1: onics we see from the establishment liberal press and from
Speaker 1: you know, nominal conservatives like French and others, is exactly
Speaker 1: that is the fact that deep down they know and
Speaker 1: they don't want to admit it, that their projects done,
Speaker 1: that no one actually believes in it. And whether you
Speaker 1: take that in sort of a third worldist way, that
Speaker 1: we become like South Africa, where say what you will
Speaker 1: about South Africa, it is fundamentally not a liberal state
Speaker 1: at all. I mean, there are race communists and not
Speaker 1: but neither one of those people really cares anything at
Speaker 1: all for the kind of platitudes of you know, liberal modernity,
Speaker 1: whether it goes in that direction or you know, authoritarianism
Speaker 1: from either the right or the left, or explicitly fundamentally
Speaker 1: I view that pluralist project, you know, that idea that
Speaker 1: we can you know, we can all be unified by
Speaker 1: these these common values. No one believes that anymore, except
Speaker 1: for paradoxically, right, a certain number of like very genuine
Speaker 1: conservatives again, as you've said, older predominantly, but at the
Speaker 1: very least, and it's maybe some sort of cold comfort
Speaker 1: their God is dead. So that's something.
Speaker 2: Yeah, no, I think it is. And I mean, yeah,
Speaker 2: like all of this stuff, like I've had, I've had
Speaker 2: so many people, you know, ask me like, oh, are
Speaker 2: you do you want to move back to Minnesota now
Speaker 2: that everything is everything is happening, And I'm like, like,
Speaker 2: what exactly do you think is happening?
Speaker 1: Also, the first week of January is the wrong time
Speaker 1: to ask you that. Yeah, right where I assume it's
Speaker 1: like thirty degree where you are, you know, as opposed
Speaker 1: to negative twenty.
Speaker 2: No, it's like sixty two degrees right now? Okay, yeah, yeah,
Speaker 2: and so and there it's probably tim below. Uh so
Speaker 2: there's like a seventy degree difference. But I mean not
Speaker 2: only that, not only I mean, yeah, the weather is
Speaker 2: nicer here, especially this time of year. But it's like
Speaker 2: it almost forces me to kind of blackpill because it's like,
Speaker 2: what do you think is gonna happen? Like even like
Speaker 2: do you think, like you know, delta force is gonna
Speaker 2: swoop in and and haul tim Walls away? I mean,
Speaker 2: that would be awesome if that happened, obviously, but that's
Speaker 2: not gonna happen. Man, Like it's easier, it's easier for
Speaker 2: Donald Trump to deal with Nicholas Maduro than it is
Speaker 2: for him to deal with Tim Walls, Right, That's that's
Speaker 2: like like foreign policy is easy. Uh, there's hardly any
Speaker 2: any encumbrances to you know, executive power there Buttically there's
Speaker 2: like nothing that community you have, you have the same
Speaker 2: DJ That's like trying that up until a year ago,
Speaker 2: was trying to throw him in prison for the rest
Speaker 2: of his life that he's now nominally in charge of.
Speaker 2: Like you really think that he's gonna be able to
Speaker 2: swoop in the FBI is going to cub take Tip
Speaker 2: Walls away at headcuffs in the middle of the night, Like, No,
Speaker 2: that's not gonna happen. Uh. These are this is a
Speaker 2: long like if if America is going to be saved, Uh,
Speaker 2: if that can is even possible, and I think it is. Uh,
Speaker 2: but that is a long, long term project, right. I mean,
Speaker 2: they they accruede power over eighty years, and they they
Speaker 2: pulled out every stop to gain as much as they could,
Speaker 2: right from top to bottom, right every little shred or
Speaker 2: an ounce of power that they can take, I mean
Speaker 2: down to you know, down to like how many studs
Speaker 2: have to be in in your in your bedroom right,
Speaker 2: like every little thing, it's them gaining all of that,
Speaker 2: and they're not going to give it up without a fight, right,
Speaker 2: They're not going to give it up after one presidential election.
Speaker 2: And and so you have to have this really long
Speaker 2: view that like, if America is going to be fixed,
Speaker 2: if Minnesota is going to be fixed, that is going
Speaker 2: to take the rest of our lives and beyond that.
Speaker 2: Uh so, you know, I'm never going to like blackpill
Speaker 2: about this and just be totally nihilistic and just like
Speaker 2: all hope is lost, it's over. There's nothing we can do.
Speaker 2: Donald Trump hasn't become the authoritarian dictator that I thought
Speaker 2: he would, and so, uh, you know, the fever dreams
Speaker 2: of the Libs about Trump turns out they're not true.
Speaker 2: Therefore I'm just going to completely give up and check out.
Speaker 2: And and it's done like that, I think is like
Speaker 2: that the constant temptation of a lot of people, especially online,
Speaker 2: is right. They build up this idea in their head
Speaker 2: of like the actual power or that the president can wield,
Speaker 2: and then he doesn't do what they thought in their heads,
Speaker 2: and so he obviously is controlled by net Yahoo or something.
Speaker 2: And then it's like or like politics is hard and
Speaker 2: complicated and difficult, and there's very little that can actually
Speaker 2: be done in any given moment. Right. You can get
Speaker 2: wins here and there, but it takes decades. It takes
Speaker 2: a lot of time and a lot of commitment by everyone.
Speaker 2: And so I look at it like, Okay, maybe if
Speaker 2: things improve, you know, overall in the nation over the
Speaker 2: next twenty or thirty years, we get you know, remigration
Speaker 2: during that period of tens of millions, Like I think,
Speaker 2: like people are like, oh, yeah, one hundred million. He
Speaker 2: needs to get rid of a hundred million people in
Speaker 2: the four years of his presidency. Like Okay, that's not
Speaker 2: gonna happen, right, But even if he gets rid of
Speaker 2: like five to ten, right one, everyone will be like
Speaker 2: that's not enough. I can't believe, you know, used to failure.
Speaker 2: This is this is the worst. And it's like, well,
Speaker 2: that's ten million more plus ten million on the other
Speaker 2: side that would have come in if you hadn't have
Speaker 2: been president, right, And and so like you can you
Speaker 2: can take these marginal wins over time and continue building.
Speaker 2: And and that's that's how I look at it with Minnesota,
Speaker 2: where it's like, Okay, things are not going to change
Speaker 2: with the Minnesota GOP until like the GOP nationally changes
Speaker 2: and they will slowly make their way into learning you
Speaker 2: can actually do politics and win. But that that could
Speaker 2: take twenty years, right, And so I look at it
Speaker 2: where I just have very very very very tempered expectations,
Speaker 2: but but not in like this hopeless sense, right, Like
Speaker 2: the expectations are really low, but within those low expectations
Speaker 2: you can advance and win and and then move on
Speaker 2: to the next thing and have low expectations there. Uh,
Speaker 2: and and and so that's that's more or less how
Speaker 2: I look at it. It's it's not it's not simply
Speaker 2: enough because like, realistically, what's going to happen in Minnesota,
Speaker 2: there will be you know, probably a few hundred Somalis
Speaker 2: that will go to prison. Whatever ones they can you know,
Speaker 2: denaturalize and deport that they will do that. So maybe
Speaker 2: maybe overall, like ten thousand Somalis will go back and
Speaker 2: there won't be any significant DFL figures that will be
Speaker 2: charged and arrested because like I think a lot of
Speaker 2: people think, like, uh, Tim Walls has like all of
Speaker 2: these text messages on his phone from all of these Somalis,
Speaker 2: and and like implicating him in the scheme, and it's like, well,
Speaker 2: like he is really stupid, but he's not that stupid, right, Uh,
Speaker 2: Like all the things that happen, there are half a
Speaker 2: dozen intermediate areas between the Quality Leering Center and Tim Walls. Right,
Speaker 2: so if like even even the dumbest of politicians are
Speaker 2: not going to be implicated, you know, in something like
Speaker 2: this so easily, but nevertheless, right, like you do end
Speaker 2: up taking these pieces off the board. They aren't able
Speaker 2: to do this stuff anymore. You start, you start prosecuting
Speaker 2: the election laws that are in violation, that are in
Speaker 2: like obvious violation of federal law. I mean stuff that
Speaker 2: that Trump's doj should have been doing in his first term.
Speaker 2: You're finally actually doing now. And and it's like because
Speaker 2: you can do it because like you have the political
Speaker 2: capital and the attention that has been brought to the issue.
Speaker 2: Right if you had tried to do it in say
Speaker 2: like twenty eighteen or something, Yeah, it probably wouldn't have
Speaker 2: gone anywhere. Right. People think that like these things happen
Speaker 2: independent of of like public opinion, but they don't like
Speaker 2: like the public has to get like there's when there's
Speaker 2: intense pressure on judges and like the spotlight is on them,
Speaker 2: they can't do they can't do what they normally would do,
Speaker 2: which is just like throwcases out and and and not
Speaker 2: deal with it. Like that's that's normally that That's what
Speaker 2: I mean. You look at twenty twenty, that's what happened.
Speaker 2: Like he's not able to sue because they don't give
Speaker 2: him standing on any of these election laws before the election.
Speaker 2: And it's like the president of the United States can't
Speaker 2: have standing, Like it's it's over, it's not, nothing's gonna happen.
Speaker 2: But whereas you bring in enough public attention to it
Speaker 2: and there's pressure and and they're they they're a little
Speaker 2: bit scared and the spotlights on them, then they start,
Speaker 2: you know, ruling in a little bit more fair ways
Speaker 2: all of a sudden and so like. But all of
Speaker 2: this is it's like just small incremental things. It's there's
Speaker 2: not going to be these like big, grandiose things that happen, right.
Speaker 2: I think anyone who like thinks that it's it's wishful thinking, Like, yeah,
Speaker 2: I'd love to see Tim Walls in a jumpsuit, but
Speaker 2: in an orange jumpsuit, not you know, any kind of
Speaker 2: random one but but like, I'd love to see him
Speaker 2: hold away, man, that'd be great. But it's uh, that
Speaker 2: stuff is kind of high in the sky. And I
Speaker 2: do have a running bet with Cija Engele. He he
Speaker 2: believes that ilhan Omar and this is like CJ, who
Speaker 2: is notoriously pessimistic about everything. Right, he believes that ilhan
Speaker 2: Omar will be denaturalized and deported to Somalia in the
Speaker 2: year twenty twenty six. Right, so we've got I'm against
Speaker 2: gambling and betting, totally against it. But I made this
Speaker 2: exception because he was just gonna give me one hundred
Speaker 2: dollars because it's not gonna happen. But uh, there was
Speaker 2: like a clip of Trump on Air Force one or
Speaker 2: whatever that some reporter took and he's like, yeah, yeah,
Speaker 2: ill Noma, we got it. We got a deporter. She's
Speaker 2: got to get deported.
Speaker 1: Uh.
Speaker 2: And so maybe maybe maybe I'm gonna be out, I
Speaker 2: don't know, but uh no, I don't. I don't think big,
Speaker 2: grandiose stuff's gonna happen. I think that it'll be small,
Speaker 2: marginal things. And and if I'm you know, just being
Speaker 2: a realist about politics and not this pie in the
Speaker 2: sky idolist. Uh, I'm cool with that, right, I want
Speaker 2: I mean it because it's better than nothing. Right, And
Speaker 2: you have to stack these small, little incremental wins like
Speaker 2: this is what the left has been good at for decades,
Speaker 2: is you stack a little incremental win, but you're not
Speaker 2: satisfied with it, but you're happy that you get the win,
Speaker 2: a teeny tiny little win, and then you move on
Speaker 2: to the next one. Right. That has to be That
Speaker 2: has to be the attitude of the right. Right, if
Speaker 2: we're actually going to begin fighting and taking things back,
Speaker 2: it has to be. Yes, we we expend tons of
Speaker 2: energy and capital and resources and attention on a tiny,
Speaker 2: little incremental win, and then we move on to the
Speaker 2: next one. Right, Like we're not satisfied except for total victory,
Speaker 2: but like the little winds do matter because they add
Speaker 2: up over time. And that's that's what I think is
Speaker 2: going to happen here. So I'm not I'm not like
Speaker 2: so depressed that I'm like, Oh, Minnesota is lost forever
Speaker 2: and it's it's terrible.
Speaker 1: Uh.
Speaker 2: I think good things will happen, but it will take
Speaker 2: a lot of patience and time too, every and I
Speaker 2: might not even live to see it.
Speaker 1: Who knows Andrew, we're fast coming up on time, dude.
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