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<v Speaker 1>Meaning a live man like this man letting butterfly, flapping

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<v Speaker 1>his wing big down in force.

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<v Speaker 2>Man, it gonna cause the tree fold, letting five thousand

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<v Speaker 2>miles away. Man, nobody's seen, nobody. You don't need no man,

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<v Speaker 2>you don't like you follow another story and you got

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<v Speaker 2>back to that. Man go black and dag on the panel. Man,

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<v Speaker 2>No man, I know.

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<v Speaker 1>And a risker. Welcome to the Jay Burdon Show.

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<v Speaker 2>How you doing, man, doing great? Doing especially great today

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<v Speaker 2>with the news. Yeah.

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<v Speaker 1>See look, Uh, my inability to schedule a podcast is

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<v Speaker 1>a is a blessing and a curse. Recurse is that

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<v Speaker 1>I don't get nearly as much done as I should.

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<v Speaker 1>The blessing is that sometime I delay and then a

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<v Speaker 1>story has a major development. And that's really what I

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<v Speaker 1>play end all a lot. Of course it's not my

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<v Speaker 1>own inability to schedule. So obviously Tim Walls has uh

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<v Speaker 1>seemingly retired from politics, uh as result of a massive

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<v Speaker 1>welfare fraud scandal. I can guess that most people you

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<v Speaker 1>know know what's going on. But if you could, Andrew,

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<v Speaker 1>I guess, one, explain your relation to this, uh, you

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<v Speaker 1>know why you're the person to bring on And two well, dude,

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<v Speaker 1>what happened?

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah, well, I'm I'm the mastermind behind all of the

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<v Speaker 2>Somali welfare fraud.

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<v Speaker 1>Uh Andrew Esker head of it was a photo with

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<v Speaker 1>you one finger up in an Aka.

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<v Speaker 2>No No. I was born and raised in Minnesota and

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<v Speaker 2>you know, recently left there because it is America's Ukraine.

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<v Speaker 2>And just I mean, like even like there was a

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<v Speaker 2>like since the story kind of you know, got big.

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<v Speaker 2>It's the thing that I didn't even know, even though

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<v Speaker 2>I kind of knew it is like there are thousands

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<v Speaker 2>of NGOs operating in Minnesota, and like there are more.

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<v Speaker 2>There are four times as many NGOs operating in the

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<v Speaker 2>state of Minnesota as there are restaurants, right, fast food

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<v Speaker 2>you know chains, you know, regular mom and pop joints,

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<v Speaker 2>Like total restaurants in the state of Minnesota. There's four

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<v Speaker 2>NGOs for every every McDonald's and Subway and Burger King

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<v Speaker 2>and you know mom and pop diner and everything else.

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<v Speaker 2>It's insane the number, the amount of like just dark

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<v Speaker 2>money that flows into that state to do this kind

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<v Speaker 2>of stuff. And so yeah, I got out of there.

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<v Speaker 2>I left after. Yeah, my family's from there. We've been

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<v Speaker 2>from there, you know since really since the beginning of

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<v Speaker 2>the state, and it it became so bleak, I mean,

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<v Speaker 2>especially you know in the last the last eight years

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<v Speaker 2>under Tim Walls. I mean it is it is hard

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<v Speaker 2>to quantify like exactly how bad it has gotten there.

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<v Speaker 2>Like it was it was always this you know, kind

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<v Speaker 2>of high tax, high welfare state, which you know, that's

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<v Speaker 2>that's not great, it's not ideal. It's not how I

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<v Speaker 2>would want my state to be. But like you could

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<v Speaker 2>survive in a situation like that, like much like people

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<v Speaker 2>in you know, Vermont and Maine in New Hampshire do right,

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<v Speaker 2>But as soon as you import a few hundred thousand

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<v Speaker 2>people from the third world, like this is this is

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<v Speaker 2>what happens, right, They they scam everything like that. You

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<v Speaker 2>don't have you don't have people that feel this like

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<v Speaker 2>sense of shame if they're you know, using public money

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<v Speaker 2>or anything like that. You have people that see just

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<v Speaker 2>a money lying on the ground for them to take, right,

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<v Speaker 2>that's how they view it. And and they have to

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<v Speaker 2>the tune of ten or twenty billion dollars and and

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<v Speaker 2>so it it and it in along with all of that,

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<v Speaker 2>I mean, besides all of the fraud, like like Walls

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<v Speaker 2>took over the state and has made it like as

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<v Speaker 2>left wing as Portland or Seattle or California or anywhere else.

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<v Speaker 2>And the laws that they've passed, like the big one

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<v Speaker 2>that that made me realize, like, we can't, we just

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<v Speaker 2>can't even stay there. I've talked about it on your show,

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<v Speaker 2>I think before is just the transgender bills, where they

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<v Speaker 2>can they can just take your kids away from you

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<v Speaker 2>and transition them. I was like, well, I can't. I

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<v Speaker 2>can't have a family in a place like this, right,

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<v Speaker 2>And so how are they able to do that? How

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<v Speaker 2>are they able to take over the state. It's it's

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<v Speaker 2>a massive amount of fraud. Like it isn't even just

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<v Speaker 2>the fraud, like the financial aspect of it, but also

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<v Speaker 2>like they've laundered this money to the Democratic Party. I mean,

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<v Speaker 2>I think everybody's probably seen all of the stories about

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<v Speaker 2>how like random people will have you know, twenty or

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<v Speaker 2>thirty dollars donations to Act Blue that they had no

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<v Speaker 2>idea were made in their name. And this has happened

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<v Speaker 2>like millions of times. Right, So how does how does

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<v Speaker 2>like Kamala get this massive war chest of donations. It's

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<v Speaker 2>it's money from the public that then goes to Somali's

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<v Speaker 2>or whoever else doing fraud, and then they kick it

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<v Speaker 2>back to the Democratic Party for protection and they do

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<v Speaker 2>it through that means. And so they do that. Plus

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<v Speaker 2>like the laws in terms of voting are insane there,

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<v Speaker 2>Like I would tell people that, Like when I went

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<v Speaker 2>to vote in Minnesota, I would just show up at

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<v Speaker 2>the precinct and just like say, my name right, I'm

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<v Speaker 2>just like, yep, Andrewisker are here to vote. And they

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<v Speaker 2>go through the thing, okay, eyes all right, yep, sign

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<v Speaker 2>here and and then hand me a ballot and uh,

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<v Speaker 2>and I'm I'm like, I mean, I had a few

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<v Speaker 2>buddies that lived in my, uh my precinct, and I

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<v Speaker 2>was like I should just like vote for them. I

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<v Speaker 2>should just come back through the line and be like, Okay, uh,

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<v Speaker 2>my name is John Smith, I'm here to vote. I

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<v Speaker 2>live on this street and uh and I could have right,

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<v Speaker 2>I mean, I wouldn't do that, because like, if anyone's

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<v Speaker 2>gonna go to jail for for like voter fraud, it

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<v Speaker 2>would be me, right, it wouldn't be it wouldn't be

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<v Speaker 2>uh Abdi Abdullah or something. It would be would be

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<v Speaker 2>me going to prison. But like, uh, you could do that.

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<v Speaker 2>There's no I mean no foot, I d nothing. And

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<v Speaker 2>then so even just to get registered to be able

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<v Speaker 2>to vote, uh, to be able to walk up to

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<v Speaker 2>the to the little old lady sitting at the table

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<v Speaker 2>and giving him your name and your address if to

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<v Speaker 2>ask for it, and signing a piece of paper to

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<v Speaker 2>get a ballot. Right to register, all you have to

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<v Speaker 2>have is a previously registered voter. And they could just

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<v Speaker 2>vouch for eight people. So I just take I could

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<v Speaker 2>just go down to home depot and find some illegals

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<v Speaker 2>and say, hey, guys, you want to come vote. I'll

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<v Speaker 2>give you twenty bucks if you go. If you go vote,

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<v Speaker 2>I could register them that day. I can vouch for

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<v Speaker 2>them and say, yep, he lives here, he lives here,

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<v Speaker 2>he lives here, and boom, you've got eight voters. And

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<v Speaker 2>then the next election they can do the same thing. Right,

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<v Speaker 2>they can vouch for eight people. So like the state

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<v Speaker 2>is built for election fraud, and like that system, the

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<v Speaker 2>mechanism for election fraud that they've had there has been

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<v Speaker 2>built over you know, a couple decades. I'm old enough

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<v Speaker 2>droves in college when the Al Franken Norm Coleman election happened,

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<v Speaker 2>and that one was really really tight. Right at the end,

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<v Speaker 2>they were you know, doing a recount or whatever, and

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<v Speaker 2>then all of a sudden they found just enough ballots

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<v Speaker 2>for al Franken in the trunk of a car like

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<v Speaker 2>a day or two later, like weird, crazy, and they're

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<v Speaker 2>all for al Franken. Wow, wild Uh And then he

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<v Speaker 2>he gets in the Senate and he of course famously

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<v Speaker 2>that margin by one was enough to pass Obamacare. So

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<v Speaker 2>you can thank the electoral fraud systems in the state

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<v Speaker 2>of Minnesota from twenty years ago for why, you know,

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<v Speaker 2>your insurance premium costs more than your mortgage. So like that's, uh,

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<v Speaker 2>that's that's my state, man, That's that's where I came from.

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<v Speaker 2>That's and like Tim Walls was my congressman for for

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<v Speaker 2>many many years, and I had the displeasure of interacting

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<v Speaker 2>with him. So I've like been very familiar with with

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<v Speaker 2>all of this stuff. And honestly, like the you know,

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<v Speaker 2>I don't I don't tend to be too pessimistic or

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<v Speaker 2>blackpilled about stuff, but uh, Minnesota. The problem with Minnesota

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<v Speaker 2>isn't even like like the Democrats or the Libs or

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<v Speaker 2>like the you know, insane leftoid freaks that operate there,

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<v Speaker 2>or even the NGOs or whatever, or even even the Somalis.

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<v Speaker 2>The problem with Minnesota is the Minnesota GOP right by far.

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<v Speaker 2>And I always tell people this because everyone thinks that

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<v Speaker 2>like their state GOP is like the most full, like

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<v Speaker 2>like the worst. They're just losers and cucks and and

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<v Speaker 2>all of this. Like, man, you guys have no idea,

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<v Speaker 2>You have no idea how bad Minnesota is. The Minnesota

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<v Speaker 2>GOP is like it's designed to prevent anyone from like

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<v Speaker 2>taking the bowl by the horns and doing anything like

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<v Speaker 2>it is. It is the pre you know, twenty fifteen,

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<v Speaker 2>twenty sixteen. GOP in like a microcosm that they they

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<v Speaker 2>are there to lose, right, that is the point they

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<v Speaker 2>And if any figure you know becomes outspoken and really

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<v Speaker 2>fights tim Walls and is kind of a firebrand, like

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<v Speaker 2>like that guy, you know, they will primary him like

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<v Speaker 2>the leadership of the state. You people get rid of him,

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<v Speaker 2>because right, the whole thing is a scam because you

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<v Speaker 2>got to you gotta work with the Democrats so that

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<v Speaker 2>your district can get grants and and and state money

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<v Speaker 2>for roads and highways and things like that. And so

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<v Speaker 2>if you know, if we actually start fighting them, we're

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<v Speaker 2>not going to get any of the gibbs. And so

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<v Speaker 2>can you imagine going back to your to your rotary club,

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<v Speaker 2>or going back and playing at the country club and

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<v Speaker 2>talking to all the all the people with money in

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<v Speaker 2>your town and explaining to them why you lost out

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<v Speaker 2>on millions of highway funding? Like do you really want

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<v Speaker 2>to do that? Man? Uh? So, just just take it easy,

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<v Speaker 2>don't you know? I don't need to fight. And like

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<v Speaker 2>they had, they had a massive opportunity after twenty twenty

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<v Speaker 2>to fix a lot of the problems where the state

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<v Speaker 2>of Minnesota is like many other states. Uh, you have

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<v Speaker 2>a constitutional amendment that requires a balanced budget, so every

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<v Speaker 2>two years they have to pass a budget that will

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<v Speaker 2>will not you know, will not go over the amount

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<v Speaker 2>of revenue they're taking it. And so that provides a

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<v Speaker 2>lot of leverage for a minority party if they control

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<v Speaker 2>one of the houses in the legislature to basically say like,

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<v Speaker 2>we're not going to vote to pass a budget and

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<v Speaker 2>the government's gonna shut down and it's gonna be a big,

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<v Speaker 2>huge disaster for you if you don't give us the

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<v Speaker 2>concessions that we want. So they actually took advantage of

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<v Speaker 2>this finally, like for the very first time this year

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<v Speaker 2>where they were able to get the extreme radical left

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<v Speaker 2>Minnesota legislature to concede giving healthcare to illegals, right, giving

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<v Speaker 2>free health care to live, like, finally we're gonna stop,

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<v Speaker 2>you know, paying out like billions of dollars to give

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<v Speaker 2>free health care to illegal immigrants. And that's the famous

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<v Speaker 2>vote where you know that happens. And then four days later,

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<v Speaker 2>the former House speaker was randomly shot dead by a wacko,

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<v Speaker 2>a lone wacko, which we can maybe get into a

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<v Speaker 2>little bit later since Trump retweeted or retruthed or whatever

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<v Speaker 2>conspiracy theory about that. But they finally were able to

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<v Speaker 2>do that this past year and get the tiniest of

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<v Speaker 2>concessions from the Democrats, from the DFL. And in twenty twenty,

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<v Speaker 2>they could have done the same thing. They could have said,

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<v Speaker 2>all right, we control the state Senate. Our caucus is

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<v Speaker 2>not going to pass a budget unless it includes voter

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<v Speaker 2>ID right. You have to have voter ID right, which

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<v Speaker 2>would deal a massive blow to like everything, to everything

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<v Speaker 2>that they do, their entire fraud system that they've built,

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<v Speaker 2>and they wouldn't do it. I think with the concession

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<v Speaker 2>that got was like some minor tax decreases in some

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<v Speaker 2>minor cuts, right, that was it. That was all they did,

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<v Speaker 2>like and it, but it's it's part for the course,

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<v Speaker 2>Like that's the way they are, Like they they're utterly

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<v Speaker 2>unwilling to like do politics as politics right there. They

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<v Speaker 2>don't treat politics as like blood sport. They treat it

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<v Speaker 2>which okay, like thirty years ago, yeah, okay, you and

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<v Speaker 2>the DFL maybe yeah, you disagree on some fundamental things,

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<v Speaker 2>but at the end of the day, like you know,

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<v Speaker 2>treat it like it like it's nineteen eighty four and

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<v Speaker 2>now it's the politics obviously is like life and death. Right,

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<v Speaker 2>these are like existential existential enemies that we have and

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<v Speaker 2>so that they haven't learned how to win yet. And

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<v Speaker 2>and many, I mean it's not exclusive to Minnesota. Certainly

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<v Speaker 2>traitorous that they wouldn't even redistrict right, So it's it's

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<v Speaker 2>everywhere that Republicans are this way. But but because you

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<v Speaker 2>you have no like actual opposition. Uh, that's the biggest

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<v Speaker 2>reason why Minnesota is this way. Whether why it's able

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<v Speaker 2>to advance this far is is not because like, are

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<v Speaker 2>there insane libs like Tim Walls and Keith Ellison and

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<v Speaker 2>and Amy Klobashar and ilhan Omar in like every single

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<v Speaker 2>state in the country. Absolutely there are, But in other places,

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<v Speaker 2>right you at least have the groundwork for somebody to

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<v Speaker 2>to fight them and prevent them from from get you know,

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<v Speaker 2>gathering as much power as they have, and so like

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<v Speaker 2>you know, in a nutshell, like that's why Minnesota is

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<v Speaker 2>the way it is that there is no one there

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<v Speaker 2>at all willing to fight.

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<v Speaker 1>Well and from the outside looking in, and you see

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<v Speaker 1>a very similar dynamic in Maine with a similar population

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<v Speaker 1>that way, where you have a high trust system and

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<v Speaker 1>you have a system that you know, there was a

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<v Speaker 1>welfare system, and of course with any welfare there is

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<v Speaker 1>fraud always, But when you have a common cultural understanding, again,

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<v Speaker 1>there's always people who are going to take advantage of that,

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<v Speaker 1>but you can count on a certain amount of commonality. Right,

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<v Speaker 1>what is viewed as honorable and dishonorable behavior and when

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<v Speaker 1>their specific identity. In the case of ill han Omar,

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<v Speaker 1>when she is speaking Somalia is the language they speak there.

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<v Speaker 1>When she is speaking in her native tongue, she is saying,

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<v Speaker 1>I am an advocate of you. This is why you

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<v Speaker 1>have sent me off to Congress. You know, my primary

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<v Speaker 1>issue is Ethiopians seizing territorial waters off the coast of Somalia,

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<v Speaker 1>which is I mean, I guess to her people that

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<v Speaker 1>makes a lot of sense, but you know, somewhat bizarre

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<v Speaker 1>as a representative of America. But regardless, right, you take

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<v Speaker 1>that and you combine very different cultural attitudes about welfare,

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<v Speaker 1>about what is acceptable behavior, It's like, well, what look, man,

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<v Speaker 1>what did you think was going to happen? And so

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<v Speaker 1>that sort of congenial view of politics, where we may

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<v Speaker 1>we may disagree about certain things, but ultimately we're all

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<v Speaker 1>we're all sitting down at the same table. We all

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<v Speaker 1>love this state. It's like, well, one that goes out

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<v Speaker 1>the window because those people do not, very clearly do

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<v Speaker 1>not have the same values that you do. They do

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<v Speaker 1>not have the same views of what is and is

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<v Speaker 1>not appropriate. And I think what's what's interesting to me,

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<v Speaker 1>and this was earlier last year, I guess. But a

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<v Speaker 1>relevant part is, uh, Jacob Fry very closely, very nearly

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<v Speaker 1>losing his race. Because you've seen this already in places

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<v Speaker 1>like England, that the Left brings in a large immigrant

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<v Speaker 1>population sort of as a as a voter bank, right

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<v Speaker 1>as a institute or institution of fraud, as basically as

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<v Speaker 1>a client group. But the problem is that client group

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<v Speaker 1>reaches a critical mass and then they no longer need that.

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<v Speaker 1>They can do their own or at least they can

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<v Speaker 1>go one step up. So for instance, well, we don't

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<v Speaker 1>need to be the clients of the mayor. We can

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<v Speaker 1>be the mayor. And look, I don't live in Minnesota.

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<v Speaker 1>I that is not that is this sort of cold

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<v Speaker 1>comfort to you know, the what Minnesota patriots there are.

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<v Speaker 1>But I think that's an interesting dynamic as well. So Andrew,

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<v Speaker 1>I'm gonna throw you this is not something I believe.

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<v Speaker 1>I know the answer you're going to give, but we'll

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<v Speaker 1>throw it out anyway. Well, aren't these Somalis very conservative

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<v Speaker 1>if you ask them about homosexuality, if you ask them

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<v Speaker 1>about any one of these social issues there to the

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<v Speaker 1>right of the Westboro Baptist church. Why do they why

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<v Speaker 1>do they vote for communists?

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<v Speaker 2>Andrew?

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<v Speaker 1>Because surely these are natural conservatives, right, and if we

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<v Speaker 1>could just tailor our messaging, we could we could we

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<v Speaker 1>the GOP could swing these these hardcore religious voters. So obviously,

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<v Speaker 1>you know, it's sort of a tongue in cheek question,

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah, well it's tongue in cheek. But like that has

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<v Speaker 2>been a serious strategy. I mean, it's not serious obviously,

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<v Speaker 2>but like that has been a major undertaking that the

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<v Speaker 2>Minnesota GOP has attempted over like the last decade. Is

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<v Speaker 2>is like that same logic where it's like, well, they're Muslims,

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<v Speaker 2>so they're they're against gay marriage, and I think they're

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<v Speaker 2>against abortion and they like having families. Uh, so they

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<v Speaker 2>really should vote for us, so we should do all

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<v Speaker 2>sorts of your outreach to the Somalies. And of course

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<v Speaker 2>it's like like you know boomer universalist, egalitarian, you know,

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<v Speaker 2>post war consensus brain where like they they are constitutionally

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<v Speaker 2>incapable of recognizing that, Okay, every single human being on

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<v Speaker 2>the planet is actually not a carbon copy of you, uh,

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<v Speaker 2>that that you as an American and in particular, as

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<v Speaker 2>someone from the Upper Midwest are or unique. Uh that

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<v Speaker 2>that people all over the world are very very different. Right,

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<v Speaker 2>people from the Horn of Africa. Uh, they have a

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<v Speaker 2>completely different way of life and a completely different view

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<v Speaker 2>of both themselves and the rest of the world than

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<v Speaker 2>you have. And like one. I mean. One of the

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<v Speaker 2>reasons why they like don't think that is up until

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<v Speaker 2>like maybe the last year or two, it was all

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<v Speaker 2>but illegal to even begin considering whether that was true,

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<v Speaker 2>right you You had to you had to believe that.

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<v Speaker 2>You know, little Abdi Schamark muhammad Is uh Is is

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<v Speaker 2>just like you, thinks exactly the same way you do.

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<v Speaker 2>Would feel tremendous shame if he had to go on

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<v Speaker 2>welfare and would never ever, under any circumstances take advantage

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<v Speaker 2>of the system if he did. Right, Well, he's he's

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<v Speaker 2>not like you. They're not like They don't think like

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<v Speaker 2>you do. They think they think of themselves first and

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<v Speaker 2>foremost as Somali's and they have a tremendously high in

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<v Speaker 2>group preference, like most of the rest of the world

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<v Speaker 2>that's outside of the West does. Right, They don't think

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<v Speaker 2>in terms of individual They think in terms of of group,

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<v Speaker 2>of their group, of their group, identity, and and so

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<v Speaker 2>it's obvious like why it happens, right, because they just

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<v Speaker 2>see these these dopes who are handing out free money,

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<v Speaker 2>and why wouldn't why wouldn't you take it? Why wouldn't

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<v Speaker 2>you help all of all of the people, you know,

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<v Speaker 2>all of your friends and neighbors and relatives take advantage

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<v Speaker 2>of the system as much as possible, so they they're

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<v Speaker 2>all in it together. Like that's that's the thing with

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<v Speaker 2>these daycares is in order to like collect the money

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<v Speaker 2>for for all of this, you you have to have

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<v Speaker 2>like dozens or hundreds of people that you know sign

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<v Speaker 2>their kids in and sign up for the program, and

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<v Speaker 2>then you give them a little kickback, you know, maybe

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<v Speaker 2>you give them a couple hundred bucks a month out

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<v Speaker 2>of you know, the thousands that they would get for

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<v Speaker 2>each child. And and that's like that's how this works.

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<v Speaker 2>And you also have to know that like for us,

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<v Speaker 2>like thinking thinking of of groups as different and much

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<v Speaker 2>less like thinking like this is better than that is

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<v Speaker 2>totally utterly verboten, too modern, you know, post war Americans, right,

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<v Speaker 2>completely forbidden thought to ever have, and for them, completely

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<v Speaker 2>forbidden thing is doing anything that would harm your people, right,

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<v Speaker 2>so they know not a single one of the people

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<v Speaker 2>that are signing up this participating in this scam is

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<v Speaker 2>ever going to snitch on us ever. Right, That's that's

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<v Speaker 2>why it works. That's why, like why you don't see

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<v Speaker 2>you know Americans doing this, for one is like you

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<v Speaker 2>you assume like somebody is going to spill the beans, right,

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<v Speaker 2>like somebody's gonna knarck on you. And there they they know,

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<v Speaker 2>they are utterly assured that that's never ever, ever going

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<v Speaker 2>to happen. And so yeah, it's it's it's it's wild.

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<v Speaker 2>Like I mean, I've thought, I I you know, I

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<v Speaker 2>just about you know, how we how we moved uh

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<v Speaker 2>to Tennessee, and uh, I'm not from here, right, I'm not. Uh.

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<v Speaker 2>It's a very very different place than I'm used to. Right.

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<v Speaker 2>Their way of life is very different. Uh. Even the

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<v Speaker 2>words that they use for things, it's different than the

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<v Speaker 2>ones I do. The way uh, just cultural attitudes, everything

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<v Speaker 2>very very different. And I was thinking, like, you know,

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<v Speaker 2>it might take me, you know, the rest of my

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<v Speaker 2>to assimilate to their way of life, and I might

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<v Speaker 2>never I might never actually you know, be one of them,

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<v Speaker 2>and maybe even my children won't. And my children's children

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<v Speaker 2>might not, right, they still might be like me of

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<v Speaker 2>someone from the Upper Midwest. And so you feel this

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<v Speaker 2>sort of alienness, this this that you're different, that that

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<v Speaker 2>you don't quite fit in. And and so it was

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<v Speaker 2>and in this conversation, it's like so bizarre because, uh,

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<v Speaker 2>everyone thinks that people from like Somalia or I can

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<v Speaker 2>just seamlessly assimilate into being Americans when like you move

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<v Speaker 2>from one from one region of the country to another

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<v Speaker 2>and you don't. But you're you're you know, born and raised,

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<v Speaker 2>multi generation uh American, and you don't fit in in

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<v Speaker 2>different parts of the country. Yet this there's this idea

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<v Speaker 2>that that people from the third world will just boom,

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<v Speaker 2>they're American. They have a piece of paper and and

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<v Speaker 2>now they are just like us. It's, uh, it's wild

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<v Speaker 2>to t even consider that, like the disparity, like it's

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<v Speaker 2>it's obviously not true. Right, you can't you can't expect them,

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<v Speaker 2>I mean, one, they have no incentive to to begin with. Right,

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<v Speaker 2>for them to adopt the cultural habits and mannerisms and

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<v Speaker 2>everything else of the people here. Uh. And and one

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<v Speaker 2>like their cultures were not so alien from our own

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<v Speaker 2>that there wasn't that that huge, huge, huge difference, right. Uh.

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<v Speaker 2>But even that, right, it took multiple generations for those

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<v Speaker 2>people to assimilate and to become Americans. And it's like,

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<v Speaker 2>They could be here five hundred years and they still

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<v Speaker 2>the obvious points of failure of the post war consensus

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<v Speaker 2>are just being laid bare now where we because of

417
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<v Speaker 2>the prosperity that we've enjoyed for the last sixty years,

418
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<v Speaker 2>you can kind of paper over them, you can kind

419
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<v Speaker 2>of pretend it's not real. And and now now it's like, Okay,

420
00:26:12.119 --> 00:26:14.240
<v Speaker 2>all this stuff is real and and so you and

421
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<v Speaker 2>you can see it like so like boomers are as

422
00:26:18.720 --> 00:26:21.519
<v Speaker 2>a generation pretty well off right. They have lots of

423
00:26:22.640 --> 00:26:25.400
<v Speaker 2>as a group, lots of investments, lots of property, lots

424
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<v Speaker 2>of lots of things that they enjoy. Their their standard

425
00:26:29.480 --> 00:26:32.960
<v Speaker 2>of living is is very very high. But for the

426
00:26:33.000 --> 00:26:38.160
<v Speaker 2>younger generation, for Zoomers and even even millennials, they've got nothing.

427
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<v Speaker 2>And uh that that is always the thing where it's

428
00:26:43.079 --> 00:26:45.519
<v Speaker 2>like people, you know, it was always it was always

429
00:26:45.559 --> 00:26:48.920
<v Speaker 2>the thing like, oh, when are the sheep gonna wake up? Right?

430
00:26:48.960 --> 00:26:50.799
<v Speaker 2>When are the sheep will get well? Well, nobody ever

431
00:26:50.880 --> 00:26:54.000
<v Speaker 2>like wakes up right? Uh, and certainly not if like

432
00:26:54.160 --> 00:26:56.839
<v Speaker 2>life is good and you can just be like catch

433
00:26:56.880 --> 00:26:58.880
<v Speaker 2>the game last night? Did you you know, did you

434
00:26:58.960 --> 00:27:02.000
<v Speaker 2>see that to see the end of the Steelers Ravens game?

435
00:27:02.039 --> 00:27:04.240
<v Speaker 2>Do you believe that they missed the kick? Right? Like

436
00:27:04.359 --> 00:27:08.519
<v Speaker 2>you could just focus on all the things that don't matter, right,

437
00:27:08.599 --> 00:27:12.599
<v Speaker 2>because you're living in Disney World. But when when life

438
00:27:12.640 --> 00:27:17.759
<v Speaker 2>is terrible, when life is is not good, when nothing

439
00:27:17.799 --> 00:27:20.359
<v Speaker 2>you do seems to work right, you're not able to

440
00:27:21.759 --> 00:27:25.359
<v Speaker 2>live the good life that your parents or your grandparents enjoyed,

441
00:27:25.400 --> 00:27:30.000
<v Speaker 2>then then you begin becoming open to a lot of

442
00:27:30.599 --> 00:27:37.160
<v Speaker 2>realities that everyone else just is incapable of seeing. And

443
00:27:37.240 --> 00:27:39.519
<v Speaker 2>so I think that's why this is like sort of

444
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<v Speaker 2>happening now. Where if this were ten years ago even

445
00:27:43.519 --> 00:27:46.839
<v Speaker 2>and there was this big, massive fraud by the Somalis,

446
00:27:47.160 --> 00:27:50.720
<v Speaker 2>the exact same things taking place, right I don't think

447
00:27:50.720 --> 00:27:53.720
<v Speaker 2>the reaction would have been the same that it is

448
00:27:53.799 --> 00:27:57.200
<v Speaker 2>right now. I think people would have been like, well,

449
00:27:57.519 --> 00:28:01.160
<v Speaker 2>you know, it's not all Somali's doing this, it's only

450
00:28:01.160 --> 00:28:02.759
<v Speaker 2>a small like some of the some of like the

451
00:28:02.839 --> 00:28:05.920
<v Speaker 2>lib cope that you see over it. Like that would

452
00:28:05.960 --> 00:28:10.759
<v Speaker 2>be said by conservative leaders right now is oh, it's

453
00:28:10.799 --> 00:28:13.599
<v Speaker 2>not awesome. We can't blame all the Somalis for, you know,

454
00:28:13.599 --> 00:28:16.799
<v Speaker 2>the things that have happened, like the one big like

455
00:28:16.839 --> 00:28:19.680
<v Speaker 2>Minnesota influence you know, Republican influencer guy. I think he's

456
00:28:19.680 --> 00:28:21.440
<v Speaker 2>paid by the Republican Party. I don't really know. This

457
00:28:21.559 --> 00:28:26.839
<v Speaker 2>Dustin Grage guy is kind of a big joke because

458
00:28:26.839 --> 00:28:28.680
<v Speaker 2>like a year or two ago, he was he was

459
00:28:28.720 --> 00:28:30.880
<v Speaker 2>actually like saying the same stuff you were, you know,

460
00:28:30.960 --> 00:28:33.640
<v Speaker 2>saying a tongue in cheek earlier, where it's like, well,

461
00:28:33.680 --> 00:28:37.279
<v Speaker 2>actually the Somalis are natural conservatives and that stuff.

462
00:28:36.920 --> 00:28:40.519
<v Speaker 1>Like that, and now phrase I'm issuing a fought baw

463
00:28:41.160 --> 00:28:44.240
<v Speaker 1>like I am. Whoever types that coming to your house,

464
00:28:44.240 --> 00:28:46.519
<v Speaker 1>We're gonna fist fight in the parking lot like that.

465
00:28:46.519 --> 00:28:49.880
<v Speaker 1>That is I'm joking, of course, but genuinely like that

466
00:28:50.039 --> 00:28:53.240
<v Speaker 1>is one of the dumbest phrases and ideas. And to

467
00:28:53.319 --> 00:28:58.680
<v Speaker 1>your point, right, yeah, these sort of internal contradictions can

468
00:28:58.720 --> 00:29:04.480
<v Speaker 1>be sort of ameliorated by abundance, right, So it doesn't

469
00:29:04.559 --> 00:29:08.440
<v Speaker 1>it's not true, but yeah, there's nothing really causing me

470
00:29:08.519 --> 00:29:13.559
<v Speaker 1>pain here, so whatever. You know, It's like we all

471
00:29:13.640 --> 00:29:15.799
<v Speaker 1>have these situations in our social life where it's a

472
00:29:15.960 --> 00:29:19.039
<v Speaker 1>you know, something that obviously isn't true. These genes make

473
00:29:19.079 --> 00:29:22.839
<v Speaker 1>my butt look big whatever, where you're like, fine, sure, whatever,

474
00:29:23.000 --> 00:29:26.880
<v Speaker 1>but the answers, yeah, I guess, depending on you know

475
00:29:26.880 --> 00:29:29.880
<v Speaker 1>who you are and who's asking. But in all seriousness, right,

476
00:29:29.920 --> 00:29:33.599
<v Speaker 1>when that when it becomes painful, when all of a

477
00:29:33.599 --> 00:29:35.240
<v Speaker 1>sudden you're like, wait a minute, I need to earn

478
00:29:35.640 --> 00:29:39.160
<v Speaker 1>a buck forty a year to be middle class. I'm

479
00:29:39.200 --> 00:29:41.079
<v Speaker 1>not even close to middle class anymore.

480
00:29:41.559 --> 00:29:42.359
<v Speaker 2>Yeah, why am I?

481
00:29:43.680 --> 00:29:46.599
<v Speaker 1>Why am I falling down the socioeconomic ladder? Why am

482
00:29:46.640 --> 00:29:50.559
<v Speaker 1>I downwardly mobile? And you look to your right and

483
00:29:50.599 --> 00:29:53.400
<v Speaker 1>you're like, wait a minute, these guys are getting lambeaus.

484
00:29:54.039 --> 00:29:56.960
<v Speaker 1>He's got a Rolls Royce as a guy who owns

485
00:29:57.000 --> 00:30:01.319
<v Speaker 1>a daycare, Like, wait a minute, So I'm getting screwed.

486
00:30:01.960 --> 00:30:05.119
<v Speaker 1>He's getting a ton of money. And if I have

487
00:30:05.160 --> 00:30:09.039
<v Speaker 1>an objection to that, it's white supremacy. And there are

488
00:30:09.039 --> 00:30:11.680
<v Speaker 1>two things from that, which is one, I guess white

489
00:30:11.680 --> 00:30:14.960
<v Speaker 1>supremacy doesn't sound so bad if you believe what Tim

490
00:30:15.000 --> 00:30:19.880
<v Speaker 1>Walls does. Or alternately, it's well, why would I sign

491
00:30:19.960 --> 00:30:23.240
<v Speaker 1>up for this? Like this is a bad deal. And

492
00:30:23.319 --> 00:30:25.680
<v Speaker 1>to your point about you know, the kind of death

493
00:30:25.759 --> 00:30:29.240
<v Speaker 1>knell of the post war consensus. The writing has been

494
00:30:29.240 --> 00:30:31.759
<v Speaker 1>on the wall for a while, but there have been

495
00:30:31.759 --> 00:30:34.160
<v Speaker 1>several parts about it, you know, And I don't want

496
00:30:34.160 --> 00:30:37.000
<v Speaker 1>to turn this into a discussion about foreign policy, but

497
00:30:37.920 --> 00:30:40.400
<v Speaker 1>to me, the other side of that, right, the rules

498
00:30:40.400 --> 00:30:43.079
<v Speaker 1>based international order, the idea that war is illegal. We

499
00:30:43.119 --> 00:30:47.480
<v Speaker 1>don't do this anymore. Well, one, we never stuck to it,

500
00:30:48.319 --> 00:30:51.920
<v Speaker 1>but at least there was a fiction Russia Ukraine kicks off.

501
00:30:52.720 --> 00:30:55.960
<v Speaker 1>We clearly we're not a fan of that. Nonetheless, it

502
00:30:56.000 --> 00:30:59.480
<v Speaker 1>is still happening, or alternately, now we're doing it ourselves.

503
00:30:59.480 --> 00:31:03.440
<v Speaker 1>So no one believes that fig leaf anymore. Right, that's clearly,

504
00:31:04.920 --> 00:31:08.599
<v Speaker 1>to pick a metaphor from a book you may have read,

505
00:31:10.200 --> 00:31:12.799
<v Speaker 1>the sacred tree has been chopped down, right, no one

506
00:31:12.839 --> 00:31:17.519
<v Speaker 1>believes in it anymore. And similarly, at home, this idea

507
00:31:17.599 --> 00:31:20.000
<v Speaker 1>of like magic dirt theory, and this idea that if

508
00:31:20.000 --> 00:31:23.559
<v Speaker 1>we bring the entire population of mogod Isshue to Minnesota,

509
00:31:23.960 --> 00:31:26.400
<v Speaker 1>we will have created I don't know how many people

510
00:31:26.400 --> 00:31:28.359
<v Speaker 1>live in mogod Isshue, but let's just say a million

511
00:31:28.400 --> 00:31:32.640
<v Speaker 1>new Midwesterners. Well, that's plainly not true. Now, that doesn't

512
00:31:32.720 --> 00:31:35.920
<v Speaker 1>necessarily change the political calculus of who is in charge.

513
00:31:36.440 --> 00:31:40.960
<v Speaker 1>But that narrative, right, that kind of central religious thrust

514
00:31:41.200 --> 00:31:44.480
<v Speaker 1>that has kind of animated the US Empire, both you know,

515
00:31:44.519 --> 00:31:47.559
<v Speaker 1>abroad and at home. I mean, that's dead man, that's

516
00:31:47.599 --> 00:31:53.240
<v Speaker 1>completely and totally dead. And weirdly enough, this this idea

517
00:31:53.440 --> 00:31:58.519
<v Speaker 1>of kind of you could say, like you know, human fungibility,

518
00:31:58.599 --> 00:32:01.400
<v Speaker 1>the idea that you can take someone from anywhere and

519
00:32:01.519 --> 00:32:04.720
<v Speaker 1>they are identical to someone from anywhere else. Right, humans

520
00:32:04.759 --> 00:32:06.880
<v Speaker 1>are just these kind of interchangeable widgets that can be

521
00:32:06.920 --> 00:32:11.240
<v Speaker 1>plugged in and out of different cultures. I think that

522
00:32:11.240 --> 00:32:17.480
<v Speaker 1>that idea was really only possible due to that question

523
00:32:17.519 --> 00:32:20.359
<v Speaker 1>being theoretical. Right when it's something I see on the

524
00:32:20.480 --> 00:32:22.839
<v Speaker 1>and you saw this with gay marriage, right, where this

525
00:32:22.880 --> 00:32:25.960
<v Speaker 1>is something when it's will and grace, even if it's

526
00:32:25.960 --> 00:32:29.640
<v Speaker 1>not true, it's easier to kind of delude yourself because oh,

527
00:32:29.640 --> 00:32:32.079
<v Speaker 1>it's on the TV, it's far away. But when it's

528
00:32:32.079 --> 00:32:33.480
<v Speaker 1>in your face, when you're like, wait a minute, this

529
00:32:33.519 --> 00:32:37.400
<v Speaker 1>isn't right. We're not the same thing here. Yeah, sure

530
00:32:37.400 --> 00:32:39.720
<v Speaker 1>your passport has the same stamp that mine does, but

531
00:32:40.079 --> 00:32:43.640
<v Speaker 1>we're clearly going about a different project. I mean, I

532
00:32:43.680 --> 00:32:48.480
<v Speaker 1>think that that is very difficult to patch over in

533
00:32:48.599 --> 00:32:50.839
<v Speaker 1>a time where there's not a lot of surplus to

534
00:32:50.880 --> 00:32:54.519
<v Speaker 1>go around. So I believe we mentioned this kid, Nick Shirley,

535
00:32:55.359 --> 00:32:58.480
<v Speaker 1>who exposed a lot of this. This scandal was going

536
00:32:58.519 --> 00:33:02.839
<v Speaker 1>on beforehand, but he in and showed up at the location.

537
00:33:03.000 --> 00:33:05.440
<v Speaker 1>Was like, wait a minute, this isn't a daycare. There

538
00:33:05.440 --> 00:33:08.160
<v Speaker 1>are six corporations registered to this abandoned building in the

539
00:33:08.160 --> 00:33:12.200
<v Speaker 1>middle of the hood. I don't think there are children here.

540
00:33:12.559 --> 00:33:16.440
<v Speaker 1>Several things there. One I sort of jokingly mentioned the

541
00:33:16.480 --> 00:33:18.920
<v Speaker 1>reaction from Tim Walls where he throws up his hands

542
00:33:18.960 --> 00:33:21.799
<v Speaker 1>and says it's white supremacy. But I don't know if

543
00:33:21.799 --> 00:33:23.039
<v Speaker 1>you caught this, and I don't remember who did it.

544
00:33:23.079 --> 00:33:25.480
<v Speaker 1>I believe he was a journalist or maybe a foreign

545
00:33:25.519 --> 00:33:28.519
<v Speaker 1>policy fella. I can't remember who. Basically, you know, quote

546
00:33:28.519 --> 00:33:31.680
<v Speaker 1>tweeted this and said, I can't wait until you know

547
00:33:31.720 --> 00:33:33.599
<v Speaker 1>that this sort of I think he used the term

548
00:33:34.559 --> 00:33:39.200
<v Speaker 1>vigilante journalism encounters the castle doctrine.

549
00:33:39.400 --> 00:33:42.319
<v Speaker 2>Yeah, yeah, wasn't he like a reporter for The Atlantic,

550
00:33:44.359 --> 00:33:45.000
<v Speaker 2>one of those.

551
00:33:46.319 --> 00:33:49.200
<v Speaker 1>Outlets, one of those rags, right, several things there.

552
00:33:49.319 --> 00:33:49.680
<v Speaker 2>One.

553
00:33:50.039 --> 00:33:52.559
<v Speaker 1>I don't believe Minnesota has whichever law he was mentioning,

554
00:33:52.599 --> 00:33:53.440
<v Speaker 1>but that sort of.

555
00:33:53.440 --> 00:33:55.400
<v Speaker 2>It doesn't have stand your ground laws. It's like one

556
00:33:55.440 --> 00:33:58.920
<v Speaker 2>of the few states that that doesn't in duty veteran

557
00:33:59.039 --> 00:34:01.759
<v Speaker 2>but duty to retreat in Minnesota just.

558
00:34:01.799 --> 00:34:06.480
<v Speaker 1>Don't hurt me. But point is just wishing for this

559
00:34:06.559 --> 00:34:10.039
<v Speaker 1>man to be killed, saying we should like and we

560
00:34:10.079 --> 00:34:14.119
<v Speaker 1>saw as some of his footage he was being physically threatened.

561
00:34:14.679 --> 00:34:17.800
<v Speaker 1>And I'm curious, what do you make of that? Oh

562
00:34:17.880 --> 00:34:21.119
<v Speaker 1>you pointed this out, we should or someone should kill you.

563
00:34:21.559 --> 00:34:25.519
<v Speaker 1>It's obviously not a rhetorical position expressed by many people,

564
00:34:25.599 --> 00:34:28.159
<v Speaker 1>at least explicitly. You know, a few people are dumb

565
00:34:28.280 --> 00:34:30.800
<v Speaker 1>enough to put that in text, so to speak. Yeah,

566
00:34:30.840 --> 00:34:34.000
<v Speaker 1>but nonetheless, like that does seem to be the reaction

567
00:34:34.079 --> 00:34:37.400
<v Speaker 1>here is basically like, oh, we're going to either assassinate

568
00:34:37.440 --> 00:34:41.480
<v Speaker 1>your character by calling you a white supremacist or advocate

569
00:34:41.559 --> 00:34:43.239
<v Speaker 1>for community policing.

570
00:34:44.280 --> 00:34:50.679
<v Speaker 2>Yeah, yeah, I mean number for one, like they haven't

571
00:34:50.719 --> 00:34:54.679
<v Speaker 2>gotten any less violent after they killed Charlie Kirk. I

572
00:34:54.679 --> 00:34:59.760
<v Speaker 2>mean even like yesterday or last night, some apparent like

573
00:35:00.159 --> 00:35:04.039
<v Speaker 2>TF went to jd Vance's house in Ohio and tried

574
00:35:04.039 --> 00:35:08.800
<v Speaker 2>to break in and and kill him, and uh and

575
00:35:08.960 --> 00:35:11.920
<v Speaker 2>and so like, yeah, the the they are not They're

576
00:35:11.960 --> 00:35:15.239
<v Speaker 2>not putting the woke away. They're not putting the violence

577
00:35:15.360 --> 00:35:20.239
<v Speaker 2>away at all. So that's that's one of the things

578
00:35:20.280 --> 00:35:23.960
<v Speaker 2>I think that's on like the you know, the bottom end,

579
00:35:24.239 --> 00:35:29.320
<v Speaker 2>like they have this limitless reservoir of of losers to

580
00:35:29.440 --> 00:35:33.119
<v Speaker 2>go do violent stuff to people on the one end,

581
00:35:33.360 --> 00:35:36.400
<v Speaker 2>but then on the top end of it, right like

582
00:35:36.480 --> 00:35:41.119
<v Speaker 2>he's he's going to get sued for defamation by one

583
00:35:41.159 --> 00:35:42.960
<v Speaker 2>of these you know, Somali's And look, the State of

584
00:35:43.000 --> 00:35:46.840
<v Speaker 2>Minnesota is helping like helping make that case right now,

585
00:35:46.920 --> 00:35:49.000
<v Speaker 2>saying oh no, all of these all of these daycares

586
00:35:49.000 --> 00:35:52.239
<v Speaker 2>are totally legitimate. Like you saw the maybe you saw this.

587
00:35:52.320 --> 00:35:55.639
<v Speaker 2>There was like a Craigslist post in Minneapolis looking for

588
00:35:56.119 --> 00:36:00.000
<v Speaker 2>child actors to come when the investigators cut you know,

589
00:36:00.039 --> 00:36:02.639
<v Speaker 2>investigators tell them, yeah, we're gonna come on Monday, and

590
00:36:02.679 --> 00:36:05.239
<v Speaker 2>they're scrambling to find a bunch of like random children

591
00:36:05.480 --> 00:36:10.079
<v Speaker 2>to pay to sit in the daycare. Imagine answering that

592
00:36:10.159 --> 00:36:11.960
<v Speaker 2>ad and like sending your child there.

593
00:36:12.440 --> 00:36:17.000
<v Speaker 1>But uh so, like Andrew, they're making a really funny

594
00:36:17.039 --> 00:36:19.719
<v Speaker 1>idea for a hidden camera and all you have to

595
00:36:19.719 --> 00:36:21.800
<v Speaker 1>do is put on one of those little propeller hats

596
00:36:21.840 --> 00:36:23.360
<v Speaker 1>and pretend to be four years old.

597
00:36:25.880 --> 00:36:28.320
<v Speaker 2>Yeah maybe maybe maybe I could do that. That might work.

598
00:36:28.639 --> 00:36:30.840
<v Speaker 1>Look, if they can pretend to be autistic, you can

599
00:36:30.880 --> 00:36:32.719
<v Speaker 1>pretend to be four years old. This is a this

600
00:36:32.800 --> 00:36:36.360
<v Speaker 1>is a that's true to be logically consistent.

601
00:36:36.519 --> 00:36:38.239
<v Speaker 2>Like I mean that is that is the funny thing.

602
00:36:38.559 --> 00:36:41.480
<v Speaker 2>Uh like bringing up the pretending to be autistic thing,

603
00:36:41.639 --> 00:36:47.280
<v Speaker 2>Like you remember when the one woman in Rochester, Yeah yeah, yeah,

604
00:36:47.280 --> 00:36:51.920
<v Speaker 2>like the controversy there, right, and they kept saying that

605
00:36:53.039 --> 00:36:55.000
<v Speaker 2>this is a five year old who's autistic. Well, that

606
00:36:55.039 --> 00:36:58.079
<v Speaker 2>five year old is like bigger than my ten year

607
00:36:58.119 --> 00:37:04.199
<v Speaker 2>old in the video he's eight. Yeah, and like who

608
00:37:04.280 --> 00:37:07.760
<v Speaker 2>was like, you know, uh, digging through a bag or whatever.

609
00:37:08.400 --> 00:37:15.239
<v Speaker 2>And and like the Rochester naacp uh launched their own

610
00:37:15.320 --> 00:37:18.639
<v Speaker 2>like GoFundMe for you know whatever Somali fila. Well one

611
00:37:19.239 --> 00:37:21.440
<v Speaker 2>like the guy taking the video was a registered sex

612
00:37:21.440 --> 00:37:25.320
<v Speaker 2>offender uh and who was at a park without any

613
00:37:25.480 --> 00:37:28.960
<v Speaker 2>children of his own, which is weird obviously. Uh. And

614
00:37:29.079 --> 00:37:33.280
<v Speaker 2>two like that kid uh you know that he claims

615
00:37:33.280 --> 00:37:36.360
<v Speaker 2>to be five years old and autistic Like that opened

616
00:37:36.440 --> 00:37:41.360
<v Speaker 2>up the Yeah, that opened up Pandora's box of Wait

617
00:37:41.400 --> 00:37:43.639
<v Speaker 2>a second, what's going on here? Like I have uh

618
00:37:44.039 --> 00:37:48.960
<v Speaker 2>an autistic son, and I knew I knew this scam

619
00:37:49.039 --> 00:37:54.159
<v Speaker 2>was going on like the whole time because like when uh,

620
00:37:54.519 --> 00:37:56.760
<v Speaker 2>when I first went to one of these places to

621
00:37:56.840 --> 00:38:00.639
<v Speaker 2>have him like formally diagnosed, were there like the waiting

622
00:38:00.679 --> 00:38:04.599
<v Speaker 2>room and half the people there were Somali. I'm not like,

623
00:38:05.440 --> 00:38:09.280
<v Speaker 2>you know, making that up. I'm not like exaggerating. Half

624
00:38:09.280 --> 00:38:11.239
<v Speaker 2>of the people in the waiting room are Smali families

625
00:38:11.239 --> 00:38:14.880
<v Speaker 2>with their kids. And I remember thinking, I'm like, uh,

626
00:38:15.960 --> 00:38:19.639
<v Speaker 2>that's weird because half of the population of Minnesota is

627
00:38:19.639 --> 00:38:23.639
<v Speaker 2>not Somali, But why why are there so maybe just

628
00:38:23.840 --> 00:38:25.559
<v Speaker 2>you know, lined up, they all had the day off

629
00:38:25.599 --> 00:38:27.639
<v Speaker 2>that day or something or whatever. You know, you kind

630
00:38:27.639 --> 00:38:29.360
<v Speaker 2>of put it out of your mind. But then I

631
00:38:29.360 --> 00:38:31.960
<v Speaker 2>would take my son to like other appointments like speech

632
00:38:32.039 --> 00:38:35.880
<v Speaker 2>therapy and things like that, and same situation in the

633
00:38:35.880 --> 00:38:39.079
<v Speaker 2>waiting room, Like it'd be me there and like one

634
00:38:39.079 --> 00:38:42.280
<v Speaker 2>other you know, uh, you know, white mom or dad

635
00:38:42.280 --> 00:38:43.880
<v Speaker 2>with their kid, and then the rest of the people

636
00:38:43.920 --> 00:38:47.000
<v Speaker 2>there would be Somali. And I'm like and after it

637
00:38:47.039 --> 00:38:51.719
<v Speaker 2>happened a few times, I was like, huh, seem to

638
00:38:51.760 --> 00:38:54.679
<v Speaker 2>be noticing a pattern here that all of the like

639
00:38:54.800 --> 00:39:01.079
<v Speaker 2>autism stuff, all of the resources for autism are are

640
00:39:01.119 --> 00:39:05.639
<v Speaker 2>like overwhelmingly going to Somali's. That's weird. So I mean

641
00:39:05.719 --> 00:39:09.760
<v Speaker 2>maybe they must be just like vaccinating the crap out

642
00:39:09.800 --> 00:39:14.239
<v Speaker 2>of these kids or or it's all fake, it's not

643
00:39:14.400 --> 00:39:19.199
<v Speaker 2>real and they found something to scam and it turns

644
00:39:19.199 --> 00:39:21.159
<v Speaker 2>out like yeah, obviously that's what they were doing.

645
00:39:21.360 --> 00:39:21.480
<v Speaker 1>Uh.

646
00:39:22.079 --> 00:39:27.679
<v Speaker 2>They would go to you know, doctor Shamark Muhammad, you know,

647
00:39:27.719 --> 00:39:31.280
<v Speaker 2>a psychologist, and he'd be like you'd look at their

648
00:39:31.360 --> 00:39:35.800
<v Speaker 2>kid for ten seconds, Yep, autism all right, Now, go

649
00:39:35.880 --> 00:39:40.760
<v Speaker 2>to Department of Human Services and like take all the money,

650
00:39:40.760 --> 00:39:44.559
<v Speaker 2>like and the resources there are extremely generous, like they

651
00:39:44.559 --> 00:39:50.280
<v Speaker 2>have they have a program called paid parenting, right, so yeah, yeah,

652
00:39:50.280 --> 00:39:52.360
<v Speaker 2>if you have an artistic child, you could sign up

653
00:39:52.400 --> 00:39:55.320
<v Speaker 2>for it and and get paid thirty dollars an hour

654
00:39:55.400 --> 00:40:00.800
<v Speaker 2>to watch your own kid. And so so wow, crazy

655
00:40:00.800 --> 00:40:03.960
<v Speaker 2>how many autistic children there are in Minnesota that are Somali's.

656
00:40:05.320 --> 00:40:08.400
<v Speaker 2>Like every kind of thing, uh that can be scammed,

657
00:40:08.440 --> 00:40:12.320
<v Speaker 2>they scam it. And and so yeah, like every child

658
00:40:12.440 --> 00:40:16.719
<v Speaker 2>in Minnesota, the Somali Is is on the autism spectrum. Apparently.

659
00:40:18.599 --> 00:40:21.239
<v Speaker 2>It's uh, it's yeah, it's it's a thing that's that's

660
00:40:21.280 --> 00:40:24.519
<v Speaker 2>gone on for for so long, and it's so obvious

661
00:40:24.559 --> 00:40:27.079
<v Speaker 2>and like every everybody knows it. And and like all

662
00:40:27.119 --> 00:40:29.320
<v Speaker 2>of these you know, care providers or whatever, they don't

663
00:40:29.320 --> 00:40:32.079
<v Speaker 2>care because the money is good to them, so they'll

664
00:40:33.000 --> 00:40:36.960
<v Speaker 2>they'll do all the therapy things and everything else, and

665
00:40:37.360 --> 00:40:42.760
<v Speaker 2>it is it is all so obviously fraudulent. But but yeah,

666
00:40:42.800 --> 00:40:46.000
<v Speaker 2>I think like the uh, yeah, the thing that that

667
00:40:46.119 --> 00:40:51.239
<v Speaker 2>you're you're getting at is that I mean I've seen

668
00:40:51.280 --> 00:40:55.840
<v Speaker 2>it from just like people back home that in the

669
00:40:55.880 --> 00:41:01.159
<v Speaker 2>past were you know, it would be like mortified to

670
00:41:01.239 --> 00:41:08.480
<v Speaker 2>be critical of the Somaldis. They they now are like, yeah,

671
00:41:08.480 --> 00:41:10.199
<v Speaker 2>they all got to go. They all need to go,

672
00:41:10.239 --> 00:41:11.880
<v Speaker 2>Every single last one of them needs to get out

673
00:41:11.920 --> 00:41:15.800
<v Speaker 2>of here. And and and it's like, well, what what

674
00:41:15.880 --> 00:41:17.800
<v Speaker 2>has changed? And I think a lot of it is

675
00:41:17.800 --> 00:41:22.519
<v Speaker 2>like it's regular people that are, you know, working forty

676
00:41:22.639 --> 00:41:26.119
<v Speaker 2>fifty sixty hours a week to just keep their heads

677
00:41:26.159 --> 00:41:29.199
<v Speaker 2>above water. And then they see these people driving around

678
00:41:29.239 --> 00:41:33.360
<v Speaker 2>in range rovers and BMW's and scamming, scamming them, and

679
00:41:33.400 --> 00:41:35.840
<v Speaker 2>they know that they're paying for it and that they're

680
00:41:35.840 --> 00:41:38.320
<v Speaker 2>working their butt off just to provide for their families.

681
00:41:39.119 --> 00:41:41.519
<v Speaker 2>And it's like, no, I don't all of them need

682
00:41:41.519 --> 00:41:42.559
<v Speaker 2>to go. I don't care what you call me. I

683
00:41:42.559 --> 00:41:45.679
<v Speaker 2>don't care if him Walls says it's white supremacy or whatever.

684
00:41:46.159 --> 00:41:49.960
<v Speaker 2>And even in that like weird press conference that he did,

685
00:41:50.159 --> 00:41:52.840
<v Speaker 2>it's like, well, there's way more fraud that white people do, right,

686
00:41:52.840 --> 00:41:56.719
<v Speaker 2>he like asserts this, and it's like, well, I mean,

687
00:41:56.719 --> 00:41:59.480
<v Speaker 2>we can get into per capita if you want. But

688
00:41:59.760 --> 00:42:02.599
<v Speaker 2>even setting that aside, like most of these programs, like

689
00:42:02.639 --> 00:42:06.360
<v Speaker 2>the daycare program itself, white people are not eligible for

690
00:42:06.480 --> 00:42:09.639
<v Speaker 2>it at all. It was for you know, minorities and

691
00:42:09.800 --> 00:42:13.440
<v Speaker 2>migrants right specifically, So like if I wanted to set

692
00:42:13.519 --> 00:42:17.000
<v Speaker 2>up one of these daycares, I would not have been

693
00:42:17.320 --> 00:42:20.800
<v Speaker 2>able to get any of any of the free moneies

694
00:42:21.199 --> 00:42:24.760
<v Speaker 2>from the federal government, from the state government that that

695
00:42:24.840 --> 00:42:28.199
<v Speaker 2>they get, right, So like this is simply not true.

696
00:42:28.239 --> 00:42:32.679
<v Speaker 2>And I remember thinking about that, Yeah, just that specific issue,

697
00:42:32.840 --> 00:42:36.760
<v Speaker 2>right that or all of the SBA loans that go

698
00:42:36.880 --> 00:42:41.960
<v Speaker 2>to that go to you know, the Patel cartel to

699
00:42:41.960 --> 00:42:44.719
<v Speaker 2>buy up all the all the motels around the country,

700
00:42:45.440 --> 00:42:48.079
<v Speaker 2>or you know, to buy all the gas stations and

701
00:42:48.159 --> 00:42:51.519
<v Speaker 2>convenience stores and liquor stores and things like that, and

702
00:42:51.639 --> 00:42:59.280
<v Speaker 2>thinking like it's it's crazy that, uh, I have worked

703
00:42:59.280 --> 00:43:02.840
<v Speaker 2>my entire life just to barely, you know, get by

704
00:43:03.000 --> 00:43:05.360
<v Speaker 2>that My parents did the same thing, that everybody I

705
00:43:05.440 --> 00:43:08.400
<v Speaker 2>know that I grew up with have done the same thing,

706
00:43:09.760 --> 00:43:13.199
<v Speaker 2>and people from the Third world can just come here

707
00:43:13.679 --> 00:43:16.440
<v Speaker 2>and get free stuff that we have to pay for.

708
00:43:17.840 --> 00:43:21.559
<v Speaker 2>It becomes like extremely infuriating right where It's like it's

709
00:43:21.599 --> 00:43:26.280
<v Speaker 2>it's one thing if right, economic times are rough everybody

710
00:43:27.440 --> 00:43:30.519
<v Speaker 2>and everybody's just trying to get by, you know that

711
00:43:30.519 --> 00:43:35.760
<v Speaker 2>that happens, right, That's that, that's life. It's it's like

712
00:43:35.840 --> 00:43:39.920
<v Speaker 2>totally another thing when these foreign people come here and

713
00:43:39.960 --> 00:43:43.679
<v Speaker 2>they're scamming the system that you're paying for. Right you

714
00:43:43.760 --> 00:43:47.199
<v Speaker 2>begin you begin thinking like, whoa, It's like the entire

715
00:43:47.320 --> 00:43:50.440
<v Speaker 2>system is set up for me to pay for them,

716
00:43:50.639 --> 00:43:55.960
<v Speaker 2>to extract every bit of wealth from our country from

717
00:43:56.559 --> 00:43:59.679
<v Speaker 2>you know, working in middle class white people to to

718
00:44:00.800 --> 00:44:04.119
<v Speaker 2>like one hundred million Third worlders in the country. And

719
00:44:04.280 --> 00:44:08.239
<v Speaker 2>you begin begin having those thoughts, and it's like wait, wait, wait,

720
00:44:08.280 --> 00:44:10.719
<v Speaker 2>those are forbidden thoughts. You're not allowed to think that, right,

721
00:44:10.760 --> 00:44:13.480
<v Speaker 2>You're not allowed to think think any of those things,

722
00:44:14.119 --> 00:44:16.840
<v Speaker 2>and and you just kind of have to either break

723
00:44:16.880 --> 00:44:19.800
<v Speaker 2>through it or not, right, either stay in the mental

724
00:44:19.800 --> 00:44:26.159
<v Speaker 2>prison or you're like, yeah, actually all of this stuff together,

725
00:44:26.199 --> 00:44:27.960
<v Speaker 2>Like the point that you bring up, it's like white,

726
00:44:27.960 --> 00:44:34.079
<v Speaker 2>why are Muslims and like transgenders and you know, radical

727
00:44:34.159 --> 00:44:39.559
<v Speaker 2>feminists and all of these disparate groups that seem to

728
00:44:39.559 --> 00:44:42.360
<v Speaker 2>have nothing in common, right, why are they all on

729
00:44:42.440 --> 00:44:45.880
<v Speaker 2>the same side. And it's like, well, what is the

730
00:44:45.880 --> 00:44:49.519
<v Speaker 2>one thing that they have in common. It's that you know,

731
00:44:49.519 --> 00:44:51.840
<v Speaker 2>they're not white, they're not Christian, and they're not male.

732
00:44:52.679 --> 00:44:58.519
<v Speaker 2>It's like they've identified an enemy, like white Christian American males,

733
00:45:00.079 --> 00:45:05.079
<v Speaker 2>and they're all joining together to fight that, right, it's

734
00:45:05.119 --> 00:45:09.159
<v Speaker 2>the uh, you know, Steve Sailor's coalition of the Fringes. Right,

735
00:45:09.199 --> 00:45:13.679
<v Speaker 2>they have they have one group, right, Americans who are

736
00:45:13.719 --> 00:45:19.000
<v Speaker 2>predominantly Christian and and particularly the man like that is

737
00:45:19.039 --> 00:45:23.159
<v Speaker 2>the enemy. That is the enemy. They they want to expropriate,

738
00:45:23.280 --> 00:45:27.559
<v Speaker 2>they want to destroy, and and like that light bulb

739
00:45:27.599 --> 00:45:30.800
<v Speaker 2>turns on and it's impossible to turn it off after that,

740
00:45:31.039 --> 00:45:33.760
<v Speaker 2>where it's like, oh, I see what's going on? Right

741
00:45:33.840 --> 00:45:37.400
<v Speaker 2>that Otherwise it makes absolutely no sense, Like why, yeah,

742
00:45:37.440 --> 00:45:40.480
<v Speaker 2>why would Muslims be on the side of gay people

743
00:45:40.519 --> 00:45:43.639
<v Speaker 2>and transgenders and things like that if they're so devoutly religious.

744
00:45:45.239 --> 00:45:49.800
<v Speaker 2>It's like, well, their group interests align with with that group, right,

745
00:45:49.800 --> 00:45:53.480
<v Speaker 2>that's why you know all all of politics actually is

746
00:45:53.519 --> 00:45:56.239
<v Speaker 2>that way. It isn't It isn't just a collection of

747
00:45:56.280 --> 00:46:00.440
<v Speaker 2>random individuals, and like these are forbidden things to say,

748
00:46:00.639 --> 00:46:06.400
<v Speaker 2>like especially among Christians, among evangelical Christians in America who

749
00:46:06.480 --> 00:46:10.639
<v Speaker 2>have imbibed this this sort of individualist of egalitarian view

750
00:46:11.400 --> 00:46:17.280
<v Speaker 2>for generations now, and like the the one verse that

751
00:46:17.320 --> 00:46:19.519
<v Speaker 2>they all know they know it even more than judge

752
00:46:19.559 --> 00:46:23.599
<v Speaker 2>not lest you be judged is is Galatians three twenty eight. Right,

753
00:46:24.639 --> 00:46:29.679
<v Speaker 2>is there is neither male nor female, you know, juwe

754
00:46:29.719 --> 00:46:32.639
<v Speaker 2>nor Greek slaver free right, all are one in Christ.

755
00:46:32.760 --> 00:46:34.760
<v Speaker 2>And so they take that verse and they apply that

756
00:46:34.920 --> 00:46:39.760
<v Speaker 2>to everything in life. Right, that there are no distinctions

757
00:46:39.800 --> 00:46:42.239
<v Speaker 2>between any groups, there's no distinctions between men and women,

758
00:46:42.960 --> 00:46:46.280
<v Speaker 2>which is not what the apostle was saying at all,

759
00:46:46.599 --> 00:46:49.800
<v Speaker 2>because then that becomes a proof text for transgenderism, right,

760
00:46:50.039 --> 00:46:54.599
<v Speaker 2>And it's that's not what's being said. It's that there's

761
00:46:54.760 --> 00:46:58.679
<v Speaker 2>there's no distinctions within within the kingdom of God, but

762
00:46:58.719 --> 00:47:01.480
<v Speaker 2>within the kingdoms of n there there are always are,

763
00:47:02.119 --> 00:47:04.679
<v Speaker 2>There are distinctions between men and women. There are distinctions

764
00:47:04.719 --> 00:47:07.760
<v Speaker 2>between right, this nation and that nation, this group in

765
00:47:07.800 --> 00:47:12.320
<v Speaker 2>that group. And and I mean, what is happening now

766
00:47:12.599 --> 00:47:15.800
<v Speaker 2>is all of you know, the Emperor has not been

767
00:47:15.840 --> 00:47:18.000
<v Speaker 2>wearing any clothes, and he's been towerking out in the

768
00:47:18.000 --> 00:47:21.679
<v Speaker 2>street for a long time, and everyone's pretending that, Nope,

769
00:47:21.719 --> 00:47:24.880
<v Speaker 2>this is totally normal. He's fully clothed and and operating

770
00:47:24.960 --> 00:47:29.719
<v Speaker 2>with full decorum. And you you simply can't avoid it

771
00:47:30.000 --> 00:47:34.880
<v Speaker 2>any longer. You you either see reality for it is,

772
00:47:35.239 --> 00:47:39.639
<v Speaker 2>or you continue descending into madness trying to cope your

773
00:47:39.679 --> 00:47:43.559
<v Speaker 2>way into intermitting in the good graces of the regime,

774
00:47:44.039 --> 00:47:47.360
<v Speaker 2>right that that ultimately was is is what's taking place.

775
00:47:50.039 --> 00:47:53.199
<v Speaker 1>Yeah, I mean there's a there's a lot there. I mean,

776
00:47:53.679 --> 00:47:59.639
<v Speaker 1>I think that to your point about both either the

777
00:47:59.639 --> 00:48:02.280
<v Speaker 1>the fact that the incentive structure is set up to

778
00:48:02.360 --> 00:48:05.679
<v Speaker 1>create this exact situation. And so you have a group

779
00:48:05.719 --> 00:48:11.159
<v Speaker 1>of people who shore maybe conservative religiously, they may be

780
00:48:11.320 --> 00:48:16.960
<v Speaker 1>conservative on issues of sex and gender. But it's two things. One,

781
00:48:17.039 --> 00:48:19.280
<v Speaker 1>it is very difficult to get a man to notice

782
00:48:19.280 --> 00:48:21.480
<v Speaker 1>something that he is paid not to notice. And if

783
00:48:21.480 --> 00:48:23.760
<v Speaker 1>you are getting a Lamborghini out of this, that's a

784
00:48:23.760 --> 00:48:25.000
<v Speaker 1>hell of a bribe.

785
00:48:25.280 --> 00:48:26.000
<v Speaker 2>Yes, Yeah.

786
00:48:26.079 --> 00:48:29.360
<v Speaker 1>Also there's a world of difference, as we've seen with

787
00:48:29.400 --> 00:48:34.000
<v Speaker 1>ilhan Omar, between being conservative of their culture and conservative

788
00:48:34.079 --> 00:48:40.239
<v Speaker 1>of your culture, completely unrelated concepts. And again, right, we

789
00:48:40.320 --> 00:48:42.760
<v Speaker 1>have to understand that this isn't just a direct bribe.

790
00:48:42.880 --> 00:48:47.440
<v Speaker 1>This isn't just the billions of dollars given out to this.

791
00:48:48.119 --> 00:48:51.119
<v Speaker 1>There's also that you don't have to live in Mokedishu anymore,

792
00:48:51.360 --> 00:48:55.119
<v Speaker 1>which is a pretty good pride, right, like comparatively a

793
00:48:55.159 --> 00:48:59.039
<v Speaker 1>failed state to you know, Minnesota, which is someone who

794
00:48:59.199 --> 00:49:01.599
<v Speaker 1>loaths going you know, north of the Mason Dixon line.

795
00:49:01.800 --> 00:49:04.599
<v Speaker 1>Not my favorite place in the world. But I would say.

796
00:49:05.119 --> 00:49:06.960
<v Speaker 2>It was wonderful. It used to be great.

797
00:49:07.639 --> 00:49:13.800
<v Speaker 1>Still better than mogod issue, but way better. Yeah, alternately again, right,

798
00:49:13.880 --> 00:49:16.880
<v Speaker 1>you're you're completely right to point out that sort of antipathy,

799
00:49:17.039 --> 00:49:19.599
<v Speaker 1>that right, that they are pulling in the same direction

800
00:49:19.800 --> 00:49:23.519
<v Speaker 1>because of who they dislike, who they hate. And I

801
00:49:23.519 --> 00:49:26.320
<v Speaker 1>think that that's another, like another big part of it.

802
00:49:26.360 --> 00:49:28.000
<v Speaker 1>And I think that this is one of the many

803
00:49:28.079 --> 00:49:32.320
<v Speaker 1>reasons that kind of normal, good conservatives truly do lack

804
00:49:32.440 --> 00:49:36.480
<v Speaker 1>a theory of mind for progressives in their client groups. Yeah,

805
00:49:36.519 --> 00:49:40.239
<v Speaker 1>because that that sort of antipathy is not mirror imaged.

806
00:49:40.599 --> 00:49:44.039
<v Speaker 1>You see some of it, but it is fundamentally. The

807
00:49:44.079 --> 00:49:47.159
<v Speaker 1>MAGA movement is the most liberal movement in America currently

808
00:49:47.239 --> 00:49:49.920
<v Speaker 1>on the board, Right, they are the ones who still

809
00:49:50.280 --> 00:49:55.239
<v Speaker 1>deep down actually believe the post war consensus, actually believe.

810
00:49:55.639 --> 00:49:57.760
<v Speaker 1>And this isn't to say that, you know, the progressives

811
00:49:57.760 --> 00:50:01.239
<v Speaker 1>calling everyone a Nazi, haven't I have those same kind

812
00:50:01.280 --> 00:50:05.239
<v Speaker 1>of that same theology, but they're not nearly as consistent

813
00:50:05.280 --> 00:50:10.119
<v Speaker 1>about it. Right, They're more Machiavellian, they're more Schmidian. Funnily enough,

814
00:50:10.239 --> 00:50:12.639
<v Speaker 1>right to you, the word that's been sort of tainted recently,

815
00:50:13.480 --> 00:50:18.119
<v Speaker 1>And I think that additionally, the left and the right

816
00:50:18.800 --> 00:50:24.679
<v Speaker 1>have a very different conception of conflict, where the right,

817
00:50:25.079 --> 00:50:30.400
<v Speaker 1>I think, views conflict as me versus you, and they

818
00:50:30.480 --> 00:50:34.840
<v Speaker 1>view it very much in sort of a rational material way,

819
00:50:35.280 --> 00:50:38.280
<v Speaker 1>where we're in conflict because you were preventing me from

820
00:50:38.320 --> 00:50:40.199
<v Speaker 1>doing this or you want this, and so I do,

821
00:50:40.800 --> 00:50:43.800
<v Speaker 1>and they sort of dismiss that sort of abject hatred.

822
00:50:44.960 --> 00:50:46.960
<v Speaker 1>So not only is that one difference, but another one

823
00:50:47.000 --> 00:50:49.320
<v Speaker 1>is that the left version of conflict, in my mind,

824
00:50:49.360 --> 00:50:53.559
<v Speaker 1>is tripartite. You have abuse or abused, which is the

825
00:50:53.599 --> 00:50:56.639
<v Speaker 1>sort of analysis you can get from Dave Ruben, a

826
00:50:56.679 --> 00:51:00.360
<v Speaker 1>conservative luminary. But there's a third role, and I think

827
00:51:00.400 --> 00:51:05.119
<v Speaker 1>this is the difference between the different types of sort

828
00:51:05.119 --> 00:51:09.239
<v Speaker 1>of progressive foot soldiers. You have victim, which is many

829
00:51:09.239 --> 00:51:12.320
<v Speaker 1>of these client groups substitute your favorite one in. But

830
00:51:12.400 --> 00:51:15.599
<v Speaker 1>also you have a third figure, you have an advocate.

831
00:51:16.159 --> 00:51:20.119
<v Speaker 1>And so I think for many people, especially as material

832
00:51:20.159 --> 00:51:25.320
<v Speaker 1>conditions decline, especially as the patronage network becomes more and

833
00:51:25.400 --> 00:51:30.599
<v Speaker 1>more shifted towards new arrivals, they are getting paid off

834
00:51:30.679 --> 00:51:34.559
<v Speaker 1>in kind of like social or emotional patronage. They're getting

835
00:51:34.559 --> 00:51:37.159
<v Speaker 1>paid off in as the Internet would have said fifteen

836
00:51:37.239 --> 00:51:41.480
<v Speaker 1>years ago, like feels overreals. You get to be not racist,

837
00:51:41.639 --> 00:51:46.280
<v Speaker 1>you get to be better than the judge the people

838
00:51:46.280 --> 00:51:49.199
<v Speaker 1>that you heat, And so I think that's the benefit.

839
00:51:49.320 --> 00:51:49.519
<v Speaker 2>Right.

840
00:51:49.559 --> 00:51:53.239
<v Speaker 1>On one hand, they get to wield the consensus apparatus

841
00:51:53.239 --> 00:51:56.239
<v Speaker 1>to define who is virtuous and who is a sinner,

842
00:51:56.440 --> 00:51:58.880
<v Speaker 1>who is a heretic, who is a Nazi? And on

843
00:51:58.920 --> 00:52:00.920
<v Speaker 1>the other one, they can just pay you. And is

844
00:52:01.440 --> 00:52:03.519
<v Speaker 1>it always one or always the other? No, it's quite

845
00:52:03.559 --> 00:52:08.519
<v Speaker 1>often both. You know, these are not mutually exclusive categories.

846
00:52:09.280 --> 00:52:16.360
<v Speaker 1>But I think that conservatives do understand progressives better than

847
00:52:16.440 --> 00:52:19.360
<v Speaker 1>vice versa. In some ways, we live in a culture

848
00:52:19.599 --> 00:52:23.159
<v Speaker 1>saturated in progressive values. If you are in a progressive bubble,

849
00:52:23.199 --> 00:52:27.199
<v Speaker 1>you will almost never have to actually encounter a conservative

850
00:52:27.320 --> 00:52:30.440
<v Speaker 1>quote unquote person. The reverse is not true in all

851
00:52:30.440 --> 00:52:34.119
<v Speaker 1>but a few extreme examples. But I don't think they

852
00:52:34.159 --> 00:52:36.360
<v Speaker 1>have a theory of mind. I don't think they understand

853
00:52:37.039 --> 00:52:43.679
<v Speaker 1>the deep antipathy. And I think another part of this, Andrew.

854
00:52:43.440 --> 00:52:46.159
<v Speaker 2>Well, I think I think Jay's sorry to interrupt you,

855
00:52:46.239 --> 00:52:50.599
<v Speaker 2>but I think they do, like the conservative has some

856
00:52:50.679 --> 00:52:54.639
<v Speaker 2>semblance of a theory of mind of the lib where

857
00:52:55.679 --> 00:53:00.480
<v Speaker 2>at least in a in a surface level way right,

858
00:53:00.519 --> 00:53:04.239
<v Speaker 2>So like if you took you know, you you bring

859
00:53:05.000 --> 00:53:10.440
<v Speaker 2>a random chud and a libtard together, right, the Chud

860
00:53:10.480 --> 00:53:13.880
<v Speaker 2>will be able to before the libtard ever says what

861
00:53:13.920 --> 00:53:16.519
<v Speaker 2>he thinks about any Like you play you know, a

862
00:53:16.559 --> 00:53:19.559
<v Speaker 2>game like s Categories, except it's like political cultural stuff.

863
00:53:19.639 --> 00:53:22.840
<v Speaker 2>And you name a category, right, you name an issue, like,

864
00:53:22.880 --> 00:53:25.760
<v Speaker 2>the chud will be able to explain exactly what the

865
00:53:25.800 --> 00:53:29.760
<v Speaker 2>lib believes and why, like on every single issue, right,

866
00:53:29.880 --> 00:53:32.159
<v Speaker 2>one after the you go through the news, Right, you

867
00:53:32.199 --> 00:53:37.800
<v Speaker 2>open up ancient technology newspaper and you go through each story.

868
00:53:37.840 --> 00:53:39.280
<v Speaker 2>What do you think about that? I can tell you

869
00:53:39.320 --> 00:53:41.599
<v Speaker 2>what you think? But the inverse is not true of

870
00:53:41.639 --> 00:53:44.519
<v Speaker 2>the lib right, they will not be able to They'll

871
00:53:44.679 --> 00:53:47.119
<v Speaker 2>they'll in their minds, it's like a two thousand and

872
00:53:47.199 --> 00:53:50.800
<v Speaker 2>four Bush era conservative, that's how they think. Like they're

873
00:53:50.840 --> 00:53:53.960
<v Speaker 2>stuck in like the Daily Show in terms of their

874
00:53:54.000 --> 00:53:56.760
<v Speaker 2>theory of mind of the conservative. So they'll like throw

875
00:53:56.800 --> 00:54:01.599
<v Speaker 2>out these arguments and and there's like twenty years out

876
00:54:01.599 --> 00:54:05.239
<v Speaker 2>of date, right, they cannot begin to under They'll be like,

877
00:54:05.320 --> 00:54:08.559
<v Speaker 2>what you say, you're for family values, but Donald Trump,

878
00:54:09.119 --> 00:54:11.480
<v Speaker 2>you know, sleeps with porn stars. Right, how can you

879
00:54:11.559 --> 00:54:14.039
<v Speaker 2>vote for him, Like they'll make that argument and think

880
00:54:14.119 --> 00:54:18.000
<v Speaker 2>like that's a major own and and the chud will

881
00:54:18.000 --> 00:54:22.039
<v Speaker 2>be like, who cares, I don't care, Like he's he's

882
00:54:22.119 --> 00:54:24.840
<v Speaker 2>on my side, That's why I voted for him, Like

883
00:54:24.880 --> 00:54:27.719
<v Speaker 2>they have no so at least on like the surface level,

884
00:54:28.840 --> 00:54:30.639
<v Speaker 2>for the conservative, there is some theory of mind. But

885
00:54:30.679 --> 00:54:36.440
<v Speaker 2>on like the deeper level, like you're saying, the conservative,

886
00:54:36.519 --> 00:54:42.559
<v Speaker 2>the chud, the right winger generically is unless they're like

887
00:54:43.039 --> 00:54:46.159
<v Speaker 2>on the online right right, unless they're like a person

888
00:54:46.199 --> 00:54:51.679
<v Speaker 2>watching this show, they won't be able to explain exactly

889
00:54:51.880 --> 00:54:54.559
<v Speaker 2>why do the why does the lib think that? You

890
00:54:54.599 --> 00:54:57.079
<v Speaker 2>can explain what they think, but you can't explain why

891
00:54:57.119 --> 00:54:59.440
<v Speaker 2>they think that right, And it's like, yeah, deep down,

892
00:54:59.480 --> 00:55:02.039
<v Speaker 2>they hate you. That's what it is like. They hate you.

893
00:55:02.159 --> 00:55:06.639
<v Speaker 2>It isn't just like they have some dumb ideological view

894
00:55:06.760 --> 00:55:10.800
<v Speaker 2>that you think is idiotic. It's that they hate you

895
00:55:10.880 --> 00:55:13.559
<v Speaker 2>and they want you dead right at the very core.

896
00:55:14.679 --> 00:55:19.079
<v Speaker 2>And although some of that is beginning to change, I

897
00:55:19.119 --> 00:55:23.119
<v Speaker 2>think right with Charlie Kirk being murdered and seeing the

898
00:55:23.159 --> 00:55:25.039
<v Speaker 2>reaction to it, I think a lot of people were

899
00:55:25.239 --> 00:55:28.000
<v Speaker 2>finally like, finally, who would deny? Like and I can

900
00:55:28.039 --> 00:55:32.159
<v Speaker 2>tell you that like personal examples of friends who who

901
00:55:32.559 --> 00:55:35.920
<v Speaker 2>kind of you know, fit this bill that if I told,

902
00:55:36.159 --> 00:55:38.840
<v Speaker 2>like two years ago, if I said, hey, like most

903
00:55:38.960 --> 00:55:41.800
<v Speaker 2>libs they hate you and want you dead, like, they

904
00:55:41.800 --> 00:55:44.679
<v Speaker 2>would look at me like I'm insane, right, No, go,

905
00:55:44.960 --> 00:55:47.400
<v Speaker 2>they just they believe stupid things. Man. You can't say

906
00:55:47.400 --> 00:55:51.679
<v Speaker 2>that about them, no way. But after Charlie was murdered

907
00:55:51.840 --> 00:55:56.599
<v Speaker 2>and you see them celebrate it, I got messages and

908
00:55:56.639 --> 00:56:00.840
<v Speaker 2>calls from friends. We're like, dude, I think they all

909
00:56:00.880 --> 00:56:03.920
<v Speaker 2>hate us and want us dead. And I'm like, yeah, man,

910
00:56:04.400 --> 00:56:06.559
<v Speaker 2>you called me insane for saying that a year ago,

911
00:56:06.800 --> 00:56:09.480
<v Speaker 2>and the first time now you agree with me, you know,

912
00:56:10.119 --> 00:56:13.519
<v Speaker 2>uh so I think that is changing. But again, it's

913
00:56:13.519 --> 00:56:16.480
<v Speaker 2>only like the younger people, right, It's only people like

914
00:56:16.719 --> 00:56:20.519
<v Speaker 2>under forty that are getting that. Anyone who anyone who

915
00:56:20.599 --> 00:56:23.840
<v Speaker 2>kind of got theirs uh is, is going to be

916
00:56:23.880 --> 00:56:26.360
<v Speaker 2>willfully oblivious for the same reasons that you said, like

917
00:56:26.440 --> 00:56:28.880
<v Speaker 2>their their pay is dependent on them not getting it.

918
00:56:30.400 --> 00:56:34.000
<v Speaker 2>So any anyway, I totally interrupted you your train of

919
00:56:34.039 --> 00:56:36.480
<v Speaker 2>thought there, and I apologize.

920
00:56:36.199 --> 00:56:39.800
<v Speaker 1>Sort of synthesize several points we've been kind of hovering around.

921
00:56:40.760 --> 00:56:43.440
<v Speaker 1>To me, I think the most interesting aspect of this

922
00:56:43.800 --> 00:56:47.320
<v Speaker 1>to look at is the kind of House conservatives, the

923
00:56:47.559 --> 00:56:54.400
<v Speaker 1>the good conservatives, right, French, Dray or a couple of others, Uh,

924
00:56:54.880 --> 00:56:56.719
<v Speaker 1>you know, the normal people I make fun of on

925
00:56:56.760 --> 00:57:01.880
<v Speaker 1>the internet. And uh, French wrote a really interesting article

926
00:57:03.599 --> 00:57:05.800
<v Speaker 1>called It's in the New York Times. You can find

927
00:57:05.800 --> 00:57:07.599
<v Speaker 1>it on my sub stack. I wrote a response to

928
00:57:07.639 --> 00:57:10.679
<v Speaker 1>it called you know what happens if you fail to

929
00:57:10.719 --> 00:57:14.639
<v Speaker 1>recognize America as in decline? And he's sort of seething

930
00:57:14.840 --> 00:57:17.480
<v Speaker 1>and maulding over the fact that like five years ago,

931
00:57:17.519 --> 00:57:20.559
<v Speaker 1>a bunch of like conservatives on parlor back when that

932
00:57:20.599 --> 00:57:24.079
<v Speaker 1>was an app we're making fun of him and that's,

933
00:57:24.119 --> 00:57:26.719
<v Speaker 1>you know, kind of embarrassing or whatever. But what's interesting

934
00:57:26.719 --> 00:57:29.880
<v Speaker 1>if we sort of dig into it, is that ultimately

935
00:57:31.679 --> 00:57:36.760
<v Speaker 1>there's sort of a creeping recognition and creeping fear from

936
00:57:36.760 --> 00:57:40.360
<v Speaker 1>those people that their God is dead right, that they're

937
00:57:40.480 --> 00:57:44.119
<v Speaker 1>the post war consensus is gone, that no one deep

938
00:57:44.199 --> 00:57:49.559
<v Speaker 1>down believes a lot of this anymore, and that people

939
00:57:49.559 --> 00:57:53.079
<v Speaker 1>are angry, and that the previous guardrails of like, oh,

940
00:57:53.119 --> 00:57:55.639
<v Speaker 1>you can't talk about that, you can't say that that's

941
00:57:55.760 --> 00:58:01.599
<v Speaker 1>not true conservatism, that's not American. But those are going away.

942
00:58:01.920 --> 00:58:06.000
<v Speaker 1>And of course i'm speaking, you know, euphemistically here, but

943
00:58:06.679 --> 00:58:11.440
<v Speaker 1>I think genuinely that's a large part of the hatred

944
00:58:11.920 --> 00:58:13.880
<v Speaker 1>that we're seeing. And I think this is why it

945
00:58:13.960 --> 00:58:18.880
<v Speaker 1>sort of came up really intensified after Obama term two,

946
00:58:19.039 --> 00:58:21.440
<v Speaker 1>because it was we did it, we did it, read it,

947
00:58:21.519 --> 00:58:24.599
<v Speaker 1>we got our Messiah, you know, MLK is returned, We're

948
00:58:24.639 --> 00:58:28.760
<v Speaker 1>going to get socialism. And it didn't happen. And not

949
00:58:28.800 --> 00:58:32.039
<v Speaker 1>only did it not happen, but since then there have

950
00:58:32.119 --> 00:58:33.840
<v Speaker 1>been and I'm not talking about in a sense of

951
00:58:33.840 --> 00:58:36.920
<v Speaker 1>political victories, because the left has been stacking those for

952
00:58:36.960 --> 00:58:41.599
<v Speaker 1>a long time, but the common consensus they enjoyed where

953
00:58:41.599 --> 00:58:45.760
<v Speaker 1>they were the default winners, where they had the default morality,

954
00:58:45.840 --> 00:58:48.519
<v Speaker 1>and so they could just sit there and accrue wins,

955
00:58:49.639 --> 00:58:52.920
<v Speaker 1>that is going away, right, That common moral consensus that

956
00:58:52.960 --> 00:58:57.480
<v Speaker 1>paradoxically they attacked for generations was also the same core

957
00:58:57.639 --> 00:59:00.519
<v Speaker 1>thing that enabled them to say, you're a you're a

958
00:59:00.519 --> 00:59:05.119
<v Speaker 1>white supremacist, go away. Oh you know, Abdul abdul here,

959
00:59:05.760 --> 00:59:07.239
<v Speaker 1>he's just as American as you are.

960
00:59:08.400 --> 00:59:10.280
<v Speaker 2>Even more, is that, yeah?

961
00:59:10.320 --> 00:59:14.119
<v Speaker 1>Exactly, because that again depended on a common consensus, a

962
00:59:14.119 --> 00:59:18.639
<v Speaker 1>common post war consensus that is truly dead and gone.

963
00:59:18.679 --> 00:59:20.280
<v Speaker 1>And so I think that a lot of the history

964
00:59:20.280 --> 00:59:24.760
<v Speaker 1>onics we see from the establishment liberal press and from

965
00:59:24.960 --> 00:59:28.800
<v Speaker 1>you know, nominal conservatives like French and others, is exactly

966
00:59:28.840 --> 00:59:33.360
<v Speaker 1>that is the fact that deep down they know and

967
00:59:33.400 --> 00:59:36.119
<v Speaker 1>they don't want to admit it, that their projects done,

968
00:59:37.039 --> 00:59:40.199
<v Speaker 1>that no one actually believes in it. And whether you

969
00:59:40.239 --> 00:59:42.199
<v Speaker 1>take that in sort of a third worldist way, that

970
00:59:42.239 --> 00:59:45.079
<v Speaker 1>we become like South Africa, where say what you will

971
00:59:45.119 --> 00:59:47.760
<v Speaker 1>about South Africa, it is fundamentally not a liberal state

972
00:59:48.239 --> 00:59:51.920
<v Speaker 1>at all. I mean, there are race communists and not

973
00:59:52.559 --> 00:59:56.480
<v Speaker 1>but neither one of those people really cares anything at

974
00:59:56.480 --> 00:59:59.760
<v Speaker 1>all for the kind of platitudes of you know, liberal modernity,

975
01:00:00.360 --> 01:00:03.639
<v Speaker 1>whether it goes in that direction or you know, authoritarianism

976
01:00:03.719 --> 01:00:07.880
<v Speaker 1>from either the right or the left, or explicitly fundamentally

977
01:00:07.920 --> 01:00:10.760
<v Speaker 1>I view that pluralist project, you know, that idea that

978
01:00:10.800 --> 01:00:12.960
<v Speaker 1>we can you know, we can all be unified by

979
01:00:13.000 --> 01:00:17.320
<v Speaker 1>these these common values. No one believes that anymore, except

980
01:00:17.400 --> 01:00:21.079
<v Speaker 1>for paradoxically, right, a certain number of like very genuine

981
01:00:21.119 --> 01:00:25.920
<v Speaker 1>conservatives again, as you've said, older predominantly, but at the

982
01:00:26.000 --> 01:00:29.880
<v Speaker 1>very least, and it's maybe some sort of cold comfort

983
01:00:30.639 --> 01:00:32.679
<v Speaker 1>their God is dead. So that's something.

984
01:00:33.920 --> 01:00:37.440
<v Speaker 2>Yeah, no, I think it is. And I mean, yeah,

985
01:00:37.480 --> 01:00:40.119
<v Speaker 2>like all of this stuff, like I've had, I've had

986
01:00:40.119 --> 01:00:43.440
<v Speaker 2>so many people, you know, ask me like, oh, are

987
01:00:43.480 --> 01:00:46.639
<v Speaker 2>you do you want to move back to Minnesota now

988
01:00:46.719 --> 01:00:52.280
<v Speaker 2>that everything is everything is happening, And I'm like, like,

989
01:00:52.400 --> 01:00:53.800
<v Speaker 2>what exactly do you think is happening?

990
01:00:54.079 --> 01:00:56.760
<v Speaker 1>Also, the first week of January is the wrong time

991
01:00:56.800 --> 01:00:59.039
<v Speaker 1>to ask you that. Yeah, right where I assume it's

992
01:00:59.079 --> 01:01:01.519
<v Speaker 1>like thirty degree where you are, you know, as opposed

993
01:01:01.559 --> 01:01:02.639
<v Speaker 1>to negative twenty.

994
01:01:03.719 --> 01:01:08.800
<v Speaker 2>No, it's like sixty two degrees right now? Okay, yeah, yeah,

995
01:01:08.840 --> 01:01:12.480
<v Speaker 2>and so and there it's probably tim below. Uh so

996
01:01:12.519 --> 01:01:15.199
<v Speaker 2>there's like a seventy degree difference. But I mean not

997
01:01:15.239 --> 01:01:17.639
<v Speaker 2>only that, not only I mean, yeah, the weather is

998
01:01:17.719 --> 01:01:22.239
<v Speaker 2>nicer here, especially this time of year. But it's like

999
01:01:23.719 --> 01:01:27.599
<v Speaker 2>it almost forces me to kind of blackpill because it's like,

1000
01:01:27.599 --> 01:01:29.440
<v Speaker 2>what do you think is gonna happen? Like even like

1001
01:01:29.480 --> 01:01:32.440
<v Speaker 2>do you think, like you know, delta force is gonna

1002
01:01:32.440 --> 01:01:36.400
<v Speaker 2>swoop in and and haul tim Walls away? I mean,

1003
01:01:36.440 --> 01:01:39.760
<v Speaker 2>that would be awesome if that happened, obviously, but that's

1004
01:01:39.760 --> 01:01:42.280
<v Speaker 2>not gonna happen. Man, Like it's easier, it's easier for

1005
01:01:42.360 --> 01:01:45.719
<v Speaker 2>Donald Trump to deal with Nicholas Maduro than it is

1006
01:01:45.760 --> 01:01:49.079
<v Speaker 2>for him to deal with Tim Walls, Right, That's that's

1007
01:01:49.480 --> 01:01:54.519
<v Speaker 2>like like foreign policy is easy. Uh, there's hardly any

1008
01:01:55.960 --> 01:02:01.599
<v Speaker 2>any encumbrances to you know, executive power there Buttically there's

1009
01:02:01.920 --> 01:02:05.079
<v Speaker 2>like nothing that community you have, you have the same

1010
01:02:05.159 --> 01:02:07.920
<v Speaker 2>DJ That's like trying that up until a year ago,

1011
01:02:08.119 --> 01:02:09.760
<v Speaker 2>was trying to throw him in prison for the rest

1012
01:02:09.760 --> 01:02:11.880
<v Speaker 2>of his life that he's now nominally in charge of.

1013
01:02:11.960 --> 01:02:14.119
<v Speaker 2>Like you really think that he's gonna be able to

1014
01:02:14.159 --> 01:02:16.119
<v Speaker 2>swoop in the FBI is going to cub take Tip

1015
01:02:16.159 --> 01:02:18.199
<v Speaker 2>Walls away at headcuffs in the middle of the night, Like, No,

1016
01:02:18.239 --> 01:02:22.320
<v Speaker 2>that's not gonna happen. Uh. These are this is a

1017
01:02:22.480 --> 01:02:27.280
<v Speaker 2>long like if if America is going to be saved, Uh,

1018
01:02:27.360 --> 01:02:30.960
<v Speaker 2>if that can is even possible, and I think it is. Uh,

1019
01:02:31.760 --> 01:02:34.880
<v Speaker 2>but that is a long, long term project, right. I mean,

1020
01:02:34.920 --> 01:02:38.440
<v Speaker 2>they they accruede power over eighty years, and they they

1021
01:02:38.480 --> 01:02:42.679
<v Speaker 2>pulled out every stop to gain as much as they could,

1022
01:02:43.159 --> 01:02:47.119
<v Speaker 2>right from top to bottom, right every little shred or

1023
01:02:47.159 --> 01:02:49.920
<v Speaker 2>an ounce of power that they can take, I mean

1024
01:02:50.000 --> 01:02:53.440
<v Speaker 2>down to you know, down to like how many studs

1025
01:02:53.480 --> 01:02:56.480
<v Speaker 2>have to be in in your in your bedroom right,

1026
01:02:56.679 --> 01:02:59.800
<v Speaker 2>like every little thing, it's them gaining all of that,

1027
01:03:02.360 --> 01:03:05.880
<v Speaker 2>and they're not going to give it up without a fight, right,

1028
01:03:05.880 --> 01:03:08.440
<v Speaker 2>They're not going to give it up after one presidential election.

1029
01:03:09.320 --> 01:03:12.320
<v Speaker 2>And and so you have to have this really long

1030
01:03:12.400 --> 01:03:15.199
<v Speaker 2>view that like, if America is going to be fixed,

1031
01:03:15.199 --> 01:03:18.559
<v Speaker 2>if Minnesota is going to be fixed, that is going

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<v Speaker 2>to take the rest of our lives and beyond that.

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<v Speaker 2>Uh so, you know, I'm never going to like blackpill

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01:03:26.199 --> 01:03:28.639
<v Speaker 2>about this and just be totally nihilistic and just like

1035
01:03:28.719 --> 01:03:31.440
<v Speaker 2>all hope is lost, it's over. There's nothing we can do.

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01:03:31.440 --> 01:03:36.519
<v Speaker 2>Donald Trump hasn't become the authoritarian dictator that I thought

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01:03:36.559 --> 01:03:40.320
<v Speaker 2>he would, and so, uh, you know, the fever dreams

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01:03:40.360 --> 01:03:43.239
<v Speaker 2>of the Libs about Trump turns out they're not true.

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01:03:44.239 --> 01:03:47.400
<v Speaker 2>Therefore I'm just going to completely give up and check out.

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01:03:47.719 --> 01:03:50.599
<v Speaker 2>And and it's done like that, I think is like

1041
01:03:50.639 --> 01:03:54.559
<v Speaker 2>that the constant temptation of a lot of people, especially online,

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01:03:54.760 --> 01:03:57.760
<v Speaker 2>is right. They build up this idea in their head

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01:03:58.000 --> 01:04:01.320
<v Speaker 2>of like the actual power or that the president can wield,

1044
01:04:01.960 --> 01:04:06.000
<v Speaker 2>and then he doesn't do what they thought in their heads,

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01:04:06.280 --> 01:04:09.400
<v Speaker 2>and so he obviously is controlled by net Yahoo or something.

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01:04:09.920 --> 01:04:15.000
<v Speaker 2>And then it's like or like politics is hard and

1047
01:04:15.159 --> 01:04:20.760
<v Speaker 2>complicated and difficult, and there's very little that can actually

1048
01:04:20.760 --> 01:04:23.519
<v Speaker 2>be done in any given moment. Right. You can get

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01:04:23.519 --> 01:04:26.880
<v Speaker 2>wins here and there, but it takes decades. It takes

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01:04:26.880 --> 01:04:31.239
<v Speaker 2>a lot of time and a lot of commitment by everyone.

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<v Speaker 2>And so I look at it like, Okay, maybe if

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01:04:36.440 --> 01:04:39.639
<v Speaker 2>things improve, you know, overall in the nation over the

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01:04:39.639 --> 01:04:46.280
<v Speaker 2>next twenty or thirty years, we get you know, remigration

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01:04:46.559 --> 01:04:49.400
<v Speaker 2>during that period of tens of millions, Like I think,

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01:04:49.519 --> 01:04:51.400
<v Speaker 2>like people are like, oh, yeah, one hundred million. He

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01:04:51.440 --> 01:04:52.960
<v Speaker 2>needs to get rid of a hundred million people in

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01:04:53.000 --> 01:04:55.159
<v Speaker 2>the four years of his presidency. Like Okay, that's not

1058
01:04:55.199 --> 01:04:58.400
<v Speaker 2>gonna happen, right, But even if he gets rid of

1059
01:04:58.960 --> 01:05:03.320
<v Speaker 2>like five to ten, right one, everyone will be like

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01:05:03.360 --> 01:05:05.599
<v Speaker 2>that's not enough. I can't believe, you know, used to failure.

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01:05:05.800 --> 01:05:07.400
<v Speaker 2>This is this is the worst. And it's like, well,

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01:05:07.440 --> 01:05:12.000
<v Speaker 2>that's ten million more plus ten million on the other

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01:05:12.039 --> 01:05:13.559
<v Speaker 2>side that would have come in if you hadn't have

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01:05:13.599 --> 01:05:16.360
<v Speaker 2>been president, right, And and so like you can you

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01:05:16.360 --> 01:05:21.199
<v Speaker 2>can take these marginal wins over time and continue building.

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<v Speaker 2>And and that's that's how I look at it with Minnesota,

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01:05:24.880 --> 01:05:27.679
<v Speaker 2>where it's like, Okay, things are not going to change

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01:05:28.199 --> 01:05:32.159
<v Speaker 2>with the Minnesota GOP until like the GOP nationally changes

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01:05:32.360 --> 01:05:36.800
<v Speaker 2>and they will slowly make their way into learning you

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01:05:36.800 --> 01:05:40.880
<v Speaker 2>can actually do politics and win. But that that could

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01:05:40.920 --> 01:05:45.480
<v Speaker 2>take twenty years, right, And so I look at it

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01:05:45.519 --> 01:05:49.199
<v Speaker 2>where I just have very very very very tempered expectations,

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01:05:50.360 --> 01:05:53.960
<v Speaker 2>but but not in like this hopeless sense, right, Like

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01:05:54.039 --> 01:05:58.480
<v Speaker 2>the expectations are really low, but within those low expectations

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01:05:58.519 --> 01:06:01.960
<v Speaker 2>you can advance and win and and then move on

1076
01:06:02.119 --> 01:06:05.639
<v Speaker 2>to the next thing and have low expectations there. Uh,

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01:06:05.719 --> 01:06:07.519
<v Speaker 2>and and and so that's that's more or less how

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01:06:07.559 --> 01:06:12.000
<v Speaker 2>I look at it. It's it's not it's not simply

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01:06:12.079 --> 01:06:15.679
<v Speaker 2>enough because like, realistically, what's going to happen in Minnesota,

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01:06:16.519 --> 01:06:20.440
<v Speaker 2>there will be you know, probably a few hundred Somalis

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01:06:20.480 --> 01:06:24.679
<v Speaker 2>that will go to prison. Whatever ones they can you know,

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01:06:25.000 --> 01:06:29.760
<v Speaker 2>denaturalize and deport that they will do that. So maybe

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01:06:29.760 --> 01:06:33.800
<v Speaker 2>maybe overall, like ten thousand Somalis will go back and

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01:06:34.079 --> 01:06:38.039
<v Speaker 2>there won't be any significant DFL figures that will be

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01:06:38.159 --> 01:06:40.599
<v Speaker 2>charged and arrested because like I think a lot of

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01:06:40.639 --> 01:06:45.119
<v Speaker 2>people think, like, uh, Tim Walls has like all of

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01:06:45.119 --> 01:06:47.719
<v Speaker 2>these text messages on his phone from all of these Somalis,

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01:06:47.840 --> 01:06:51.960
<v Speaker 2>and and like implicating him in the scheme, and it's like, well,

1089
01:06:52.199 --> 01:06:55.920
<v Speaker 2>like he is really stupid, but he's not that stupid, right, Uh,

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01:06:56.480 --> 01:06:59.239
<v Speaker 2>Like all the things that happen, there are half a

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01:06:59.280 --> 01:07:04.679
<v Speaker 2>dozen intermediate areas between the Quality Leering Center and Tim Walls. Right,

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01:07:04.880 --> 01:07:11.320
<v Speaker 2>so if like even even the dumbest of politicians are

1093
01:07:11.360 --> 01:07:14.639
<v Speaker 2>not going to be implicated, you know, in something like

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01:07:14.679 --> 01:07:22.000
<v Speaker 2>this so easily, but nevertheless, right, like you do end

1095
01:07:22.079 --> 01:07:24.639
<v Speaker 2>up taking these pieces off the board. They aren't able

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01:07:24.639 --> 01:07:29.159
<v Speaker 2>to do this stuff anymore. You start, you start prosecuting

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01:07:30.639 --> 01:07:34.079
<v Speaker 2>the election laws that are in violation, that are in

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01:07:34.119 --> 01:07:37.800
<v Speaker 2>like obvious violation of federal law. I mean stuff that

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01:07:37.800 --> 01:07:41.880
<v Speaker 2>that Trump's doj should have been doing in his first term.

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<v Speaker 2>You're finally actually doing now. And and it's like because

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01:07:46.920 --> 01:07:49.719
<v Speaker 2>you can do it because like you have the political

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01:07:49.800 --> 01:07:52.679
<v Speaker 2>capital and the attention that has been brought to the issue.

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01:07:52.920 --> 01:07:55.239
<v Speaker 2>Right if you had tried to do it in say

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01:07:55.280 --> 01:07:59.119
<v Speaker 2>like twenty eighteen or something, Yeah, it probably wouldn't have

1105
01:07:59.119 --> 01:08:02.639
<v Speaker 2>gone anywhere. Right. People think that like these things happen

1106
01:08:02.719 --> 01:08:08.239
<v Speaker 2>independent of of like public opinion, but they don't like

1107
01:08:08.320 --> 01:08:10.840
<v Speaker 2>like the public has to get like there's when there's

1108
01:08:10.880 --> 01:08:14.400
<v Speaker 2>intense pressure on judges and like the spotlight is on them,

1109
01:08:14.519 --> 01:08:17.279
<v Speaker 2>they can't do they can't do what they normally would do,

1110
01:08:17.319 --> 01:08:20.680
<v Speaker 2>which is just like throwcases out and and and not

1111
01:08:20.800 --> 01:08:23.000
<v Speaker 2>deal with it. Like that's that's normally that That's what

1112
01:08:23.039 --> 01:08:24.600
<v Speaker 2>I mean. You look at twenty twenty, that's what happened.

1113
01:08:24.640 --> 01:08:27.119
<v Speaker 2>Like he's not able to sue because they don't give

1114
01:08:27.159 --> 01:08:31.159
<v Speaker 2>him standing on any of these election laws before the election.

1115
01:08:32.119 --> 01:08:33.880
<v Speaker 2>And it's like the president of the United States can't

1116
01:08:33.880 --> 01:08:37.880
<v Speaker 2>have standing, Like it's it's over, it's not, nothing's gonna happen.

1117
01:08:39.479 --> 01:08:42.600
<v Speaker 2>But whereas you bring in enough public attention to it

1118
01:08:42.600 --> 01:08:45.159
<v Speaker 2>and there's pressure and and they're they they're a little

1119
01:08:45.199 --> 01:08:48.640
<v Speaker 2>bit scared and the spotlights on them, then they start,

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01:08:48.920 --> 01:08:51.359
<v Speaker 2>you know, ruling in a little bit more fair ways

1121
01:08:51.960 --> 01:08:56.399
<v Speaker 2>all of a sudden and so like. But all of

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01:08:56.399 --> 01:09:00.359
<v Speaker 2>this is it's like just small incremental things. It's there's

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01:09:00.399 --> 01:09:04.800
<v Speaker 2>not going to be these like big, grandiose things that happen, right.

1124
01:09:06.159 --> 01:09:10.560
<v Speaker 2>I think anyone who like thinks that it's it's wishful thinking, Like, yeah,

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01:09:10.880 --> 01:09:13.920
<v Speaker 2>I'd love to see Tim Walls in a jumpsuit, but

1126
01:09:15.359 --> 01:09:18.880
<v Speaker 2>in an orange jumpsuit, not you know, any kind of

1127
01:09:18.960 --> 01:09:22.039
<v Speaker 2>random one but but like, I'd love to see him

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01:09:22.079 --> 01:09:26.159
<v Speaker 2>hold away, man, that'd be great. But it's uh, that

1129
01:09:26.239 --> 01:09:30.800
<v Speaker 2>stuff is kind of high in the sky. And I

1130
01:09:30.840 --> 01:09:33.920
<v Speaker 2>do have a running bet with Cija Engele. He he

1131
01:09:34.000 --> 01:09:37.119
<v Speaker 2>believes that ilhan Omar and this is like CJ, who

1132
01:09:37.159 --> 01:09:42.560
<v Speaker 2>is notoriously pessimistic about everything. Right, he believes that ilhan

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01:09:42.640 --> 01:09:46.600
<v Speaker 2>Omar will be denaturalized and deported to Somalia in the

1134
01:09:46.680 --> 01:09:49.800
<v Speaker 2>year twenty twenty six. Right, so we've got I'm against

1135
01:09:49.880 --> 01:09:52.159
<v Speaker 2>gambling and betting, totally against it. But I made this

1136
01:09:52.199 --> 01:09:55.279
<v Speaker 2>exception because he was just gonna give me one hundred

1137
01:09:55.279 --> 01:10:02.079
<v Speaker 2>dollars because it's not gonna happen. But uh, there was

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01:10:02.079 --> 01:10:03.920
<v Speaker 2>like a clip of Trump on Air Force one or

1139
01:10:03.960 --> 01:10:07.760
<v Speaker 2>whatever that some reporter took and he's like, yeah, yeah,

1140
01:10:07.840 --> 01:10:10.439
<v Speaker 2>ill Noma, we got it. We got a deporter. She's

1141
01:10:10.479 --> 01:10:11.279
<v Speaker 2>got to get deported.

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<v Speaker 1>Uh.

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01:10:12.039 --> 01:10:15.359
<v Speaker 2>And so maybe maybe maybe I'm gonna be out, I

1144
01:10:15.359 --> 01:10:17.960
<v Speaker 2>don't know, but uh no, I don't. I don't think big,

1145
01:10:18.000 --> 01:10:21.560
<v Speaker 2>grandiose stuff's gonna happen. I think that it'll be small,

1146
01:10:21.720 --> 01:10:25.960
<v Speaker 2>marginal things. And and if I'm you know, just being

1147
01:10:25.960 --> 01:10:29.239
<v Speaker 2>a realist about politics and not this pie in the

1148
01:10:29.279 --> 01:10:34.479
<v Speaker 2>sky idolist. Uh, I'm cool with that, right, I want

1149
01:10:34.560 --> 01:10:37.239
<v Speaker 2>I mean it because it's better than nothing. Right, And

1150
01:10:37.880 --> 01:10:40.840
<v Speaker 2>you have to stack these small, little incremental wins like

1151
01:10:40.920 --> 01:10:43.680
<v Speaker 2>this is what the left has been good at for decades,

1152
01:10:44.439 --> 01:10:47.000
<v Speaker 2>is you stack a little incremental win, but you're not

1153
01:10:47.079 --> 01:10:50.680
<v Speaker 2>satisfied with it, but you're happy that you get the win,

1154
01:10:50.920 --> 01:10:53.039
<v Speaker 2>a teeny tiny little win, and then you move on

1155
01:10:53.079 --> 01:10:55.760
<v Speaker 2>to the next one. Right. That has to be That

1156
01:10:55.800 --> 01:10:57.960
<v Speaker 2>has to be the attitude of the right. Right, if

1157
01:10:58.000 --> 01:11:01.119
<v Speaker 2>we're actually going to begin fighting and taking things back,

1158
01:11:02.000 --> 01:11:05.640
<v Speaker 2>it has to be. Yes, we we expend tons of

1159
01:11:05.880 --> 01:11:10.439
<v Speaker 2>energy and capital and resources and attention on a tiny,

1160
01:11:10.479 --> 01:11:13.199
<v Speaker 2>little incremental win, and then we move on to the

1161
01:11:13.239 --> 01:11:16.960
<v Speaker 2>next one. Right, Like we're not satisfied except for total victory,

1162
01:11:18.119 --> 01:11:21.840
<v Speaker 2>but like the little winds do matter because they add

1163
01:11:21.920 --> 01:11:24.920
<v Speaker 2>up over time. And that's that's what I think is

1164
01:11:24.920 --> 01:11:28.399
<v Speaker 2>going to happen here. So I'm not I'm not like

1165
01:11:28.479 --> 01:11:31.159
<v Speaker 2>so depressed that I'm like, Oh, Minnesota is lost forever

1166
01:11:31.279 --> 01:11:32.319
<v Speaker 2>and it's it's terrible.

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01:11:33.000 --> 01:11:33.119
<v Speaker 1>Uh.

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01:11:34.479 --> 01:11:36.840
<v Speaker 2>I think good things will happen, but it will take

1169
01:11:36.880 --> 01:11:41.199
<v Speaker 2>a lot of patience and time too, every and I

1170
01:11:41.359 --> 01:11:42.640
<v Speaker 2>might not even live to see it.

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01:11:42.760 --> 01:11:48.000
<v Speaker 1>Who knows Andrew, we're fast coming up on time, dude.

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01:11:50.840 --> 01:11:54.920
<v Speaker 2>I am on on x dot com at boniface option

1173
01:11:55.399 --> 01:12:00.239
<v Speaker 2>and and also on on substanc like you with the

1174
01:12:00.239 --> 01:12:04.319
<v Speaker 2>same handle at boniface option, so they can find me.

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01:12:05.560 --> 01:12:09.560
<v Speaker 2>They can find me there, and yeah, I guess, and

1176
01:12:09.560 --> 01:12:13.640
<v Speaker 2>and of course on on YouTube and all the other

1177
01:12:13.680 --> 01:12:19.239
<v Speaker 2>places with with CJ doing contramundum and you know, talking

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01:12:19.239 --> 01:12:24.279
<v Speaker 2>about you know, political stuff but also political theology and

1179
01:12:24.920 --> 01:12:29.960
<v Speaker 2>theology proper. That is uh yeah, that that we record

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01:12:31.239 --> 01:12:35.640
<v Speaker 2>every Wednesday and Friday usually that's our schedules. So that's

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01:12:36.039 --> 01:12:36.600
<v Speaker 2>that's what we do.

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<v Speaker 1>Yeah, we'll be sure to check that out, y'all. Show

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01:12:40.560 --> 01:12:43.199
<v Speaker 1>is great. I don't catch it as much as I'd

1184
01:12:43.239 --> 01:12:45.119
<v Speaker 1>like to, but every time I do, it's always the

1185
01:12:45.159 --> 01:12:47.960
<v Speaker 1>same thought, which is why have I missed the last

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01:12:47.960 --> 01:12:50.479
<v Speaker 1>two episodes? This is great, so be sure to check

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01:12:50.520 --> 01:12:52.680
<v Speaker 1>that out. I'll make sure it's in the description. As

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01:12:52.680 --> 01:12:57.399
<v Speaker 1>far as my stuff, Jay Burdens Show, Apple, Spotify, YouTube. Look,

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01:12:57.680 --> 01:12:59.920
<v Speaker 1>this is what I do now. This show is supported

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01:13:00.079 --> 01:13:03.319
<v Speaker 1>five viewers like you one way or another, either you

1191
01:13:03.359 --> 01:13:06.119
<v Speaker 1>watch ads or you can pay me. And it's like

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01:13:06.159 --> 01:13:08.880
<v Speaker 1>five bucks a month twenty some cents an episode, which

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01:13:08.920 --> 01:13:10.960
<v Speaker 1>is not half bad. For the episodes early and ad free,

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01:13:11.279 --> 01:13:15.640
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<v Speaker 1>Fitness Coaching. Andrew, thanks so much, man, it's great having you.

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01:13:22.760 --> 01:13:23.920
<v Speaker 2>Thanks, thanks for having me.

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01:13:24.520 --> 01:13:27.960
<v Speaker 1>Everyone home, keep your head up. I can't last forever.

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<v Speaker 1>Good night,