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Speaker 1: Meaning a live man like this man letting butterfly, flapping

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Speaker 2: Man, it gonna cause the tree fold, letting five thousand

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miles away. Man, nobody's seen, nobody. You don't need no man,

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you don't like you follow another story and you got

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back to that. Man go black and dag on the panel. Man,

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No man, I know.

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Speaker 1: And a risker. Welcome to the Jay Burdon Show.

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Speaker 2: How you doing, man, doing great? Doing especially great today

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with the news. Yeah.

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Speaker 1: See look, Uh, my inability to schedule a podcast is

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a is a blessing and a curse. Recurse is that

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I don't get nearly as much done as I should.

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The blessing is that sometime I delay and then a

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story has a major development. And that's really what I

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play end all a lot. Of course it's not my

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own inability to schedule. So obviously Tim Walls has uh

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seemingly retired from politics, uh as result of a massive

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welfare fraud scandal. I can guess that most people you

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know know what's going on. But if you could, Andrew,

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I guess, one, explain your relation to this, uh, you

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know why you're the person to bring on And two well, dude,

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what happened?

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Speaker 2: Yeah, well, I'm I'm the mastermind behind all of the

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Somali welfare fraud.

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Speaker 1: Uh Andrew Esker head of it was a photo with

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you one finger up in an Aka.

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Speaker 2: No No. I was born and raised in Minnesota and

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you know, recently left there because it is America's Ukraine.

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like since the story kind of you know, got big.

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I kind of knew it is like there are thousands

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of NGOs operating in Minnesota, and like there are more.

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There are four times as many NGOs operating in the

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state of Minnesota as there are restaurants, right, fast food

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you know chains, you know, regular mom and pop joints,

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Like total restaurants in the state of Minnesota. There's four

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NGOs for every every McDonald's and Subway and Burger King

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and you know mom and pop diner and everything else.

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It's insane the number, the amount of like just dark

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money that flows into that state to do this kind

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of stuff. And so yeah, I got out of there.

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I left after. Yeah, my family's from there. We've been

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from there, you know since really since the beginning of

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the state, and it it became so bleak, I mean,

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especially you know in the last the last eight years

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under Tim Walls. I mean it is it is hard

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to quantify like exactly how bad it has gotten there.

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of high tax, high welfare state, which you know, that's

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that's not great, it's not ideal. It's not how I

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would want my state to be. But like you could

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survive in a situation like that, like much like people

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in you know, Vermont and Maine in New Hampshire do right,

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people from the third world, like this is this is

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what happens, right, They they scam everything like that. You

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don't have you don't have people that feel this like

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sense of shame if they're you know, using public money

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or anything like that. You have people that see just

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a money lying on the ground for them to take, right,

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that's how they view it. And and they have to

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the tune of ten or twenty billion dollars and and

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so it it and it in along with all of that,

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took over the state and has made it like as

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left wing as Portland or Seattle or California or anywhere else.

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that that made me realize, like, we can't, we just

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can't even stay there. I've talked about it on your show,

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I think before is just the transgender bills, where they

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can they can just take your kids away from you

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and transition them. I was like, well, I can't. I

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can't have a family in a place like this, right,

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are they able to take over the state. It's it's

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a massive amount of fraud. Like it isn't even just

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the fraud, like the financial aspect of it, but also

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like they've laundered this money to the Democratic Party. I mean,

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how like random people will have you know, twenty or

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thirty dollars donations to Act Blue that they had no

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idea were made in their name. And this has happened

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like millions of times. Right, So how does how does

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like Kamala get this massive war chest of donations. It's

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it's money from the public that then goes to Somali's

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or whoever else doing fraud, and then they kick it

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back to the Democratic Party for protection and they do

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it through that means. And so they do that. Plus

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like the laws in terms of voting are insane there,

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to vote in Minnesota, I would just show up at

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the precinct and just like say, my name right, I'm

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just like, yep, Andrewisker are here to vote. And they

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go through the thing, okay, eyes all right, yep, sign

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here and and then hand me a ballot and uh,

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buddies that lived in my, uh my precinct, and I

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was like I should just like vote for them. I

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should just come back through the line and be like, Okay, uh,

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my name is John Smith, I'm here to vote. I

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live on this street and uh and I could have right,

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gonna go to jail for for like voter fraud, it

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would be me, right, it wouldn't be it wouldn't be

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uh Abdi Abdullah or something. It would be would be

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me going to prison. But like, uh, you could do that.

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to vote, uh, to be able to walk up to

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the to the little old lady sitting at the table

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and giving him your name and your address if to

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ask for it, and signing a piece of paper to

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get a ballot. Right to register, all you have to

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have is a previously registered voter. And they could just

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vouch for eight people. So I just take I could

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just go down to home depot and find some illegals

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and say, hey, guys, you want to come vote. I'll

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give you twenty bucks if you go. If you go vote,

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I could register them that day. I can vouch for

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them and say, yep, he lives here, he lives here,

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he lives here, and boom, you've got eight voters. And

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then the next election they can do the same thing. Right,

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they can vouch for eight people. So like the state

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is built for election fraud, and like that system, the

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mechanism for election fraud that they've had there has been

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built over you know, a couple decades. I'm old enough

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droves in college when the Al Franken Norm Coleman election happened,

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and that one was really really tight. Right at the end,

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they were you know, doing a recount or whatever, and

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then all of a sudden they found just enough ballots

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for al Franken in the trunk of a car like

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a day or two later, like weird, crazy, and they're

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all for al Franken. Wow, wild Uh And then he

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he gets in the Senate and he of course famously

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that margin by one was enough to pass Obamacare. So

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you can thank the electoral fraud systems in the state

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of Minnesota from twenty years ago for why, you know,

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your insurance premium costs more than your mortgage. So like that's, uh,

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that's that's my state, man, That's that's where I came from.

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That's and like Tim Walls was my congressman for for

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many many years, and I had the displeasure of interacting

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with him. So I've like been very familiar with with

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all of this stuff. And honestly, like the you know,

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blackpilled about stuff, but uh, Minnesota. The problem with Minnesota

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isn't even like like the Democrats or the Libs or

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like the you know, insane leftoid freaks that operate there,

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or even the NGOs or whatever, or even even the Somalis.

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like their state GOP is like the most full, like

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like the worst. They're just losers and cucks and and

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all of this. Like, man, you guys have no idea,

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GOP is like it's designed to prevent anyone from like

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taking the bowl by the horns and doing anything like

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it is. It is the pre you know, twenty fifteen,

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twenty sixteen. GOP in like a microcosm that they they

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are there to lose, right, that is the point they

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fights tim Walls and is kind of a firebrand, like

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like that guy, you know, they will primary him like

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the leadership of the state. You people get rid of him,

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because right, the whole thing is a scam because you

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got to you gotta work with the Democrats so that

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your district can get grants and and and state money

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for roads and highways and things like that. And so

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if you know, if we actually start fighting them, we're

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not going to get any of the gibbs. And so

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can you imagine going back to your to your rotary club,

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or going back and playing at the country club and

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talking to all the all the people with money in

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your town and explaining to them why you lost out

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on millions of highway funding? Like do you really want

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to do that? Man? Uh? So, just just take it easy,

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don't you know? I don't need to fight. And like

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they had, they had a massive opportunity after twenty twenty

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to fix a lot of the problems where the state

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of Minnesota is like many other states. Uh, you have

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a constitutional amendment that requires a balanced budget, so every

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two years they have to pass a budget that will

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will not you know, will not go over the amount

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of revenue they're taking it. And so that provides a

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lot of leverage for a minority party if they control

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one of the houses in the legislature to basically say like,

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the government's gonna shut down and it's gonna be a big,

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huge disaster for you if you don't give us the

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concessions that we want. So they actually took advantage of

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this finally, like for the very first time this year

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where they were able to get the extreme radical left

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Minnesota legislature to concede giving healthcare to illegals, right, giving

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free health care to live, like, finally we're gonna stop,

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you know, paying out like billions of dollars to give

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free health care to illegal immigrants. And that's the famous

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vote where you know that happens. And then four days later,

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the former House speaker was randomly shot dead by a wacko,

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a lone wacko, which we can maybe get into a

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little bit later since Trump retweeted or retruthed or whatever

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conspiracy theory about that. But they finally were able to

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do that this past year and get the tiniest of

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concessions from the Democrats, from the DFL. And in twenty twenty,

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they could have done the same thing. They could have said,

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all right, we control the state Senate. Our caucus is

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not going to pass a budget unless it includes voter

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ID right. You have to have voter ID right, which

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would deal a massive blow to like everything, to everything

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that they do, their entire fraud system that they've built,

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and they wouldn't do it. I think with the concession

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that got was like some minor tax decreases in some

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minor cuts, right, that was it. That was all they did,

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like and it, but it's it's part for the course,

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Like that's the way they are, Like they they're utterly

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unwilling to like do politics as politics right there. They

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don't treat politics as like blood sport. They treat it

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which okay, like thirty years ago, yeah, okay, you and

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the DFL maybe yeah, you disagree on some fundamental things,

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but at the end of the day, like you know,

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we can all get along that kind of thing. They

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treat it like it like it's nineteen eighty four and

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now it's the politics obviously is like life and death. Right,

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these are like existential existential enemies that we have and

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so that they haven't learned how to win yet. And

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and many, I mean it's not exclusive to Minnesota. Certainly

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many Republicans. I mean you look at Indiana in the

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Indiana State Senate and how you know, they are so

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traitorous that they wouldn't even redistrict right, So it's it's

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everywhere that Republicans are this way. But but because you

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to advance this far is is not because like, are

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there insane libs like Tim Walls and Keith Ellison and

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state in the country. Absolutely there are, But in other places,

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to fight them and prevent them from from get you know,

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gathering as much power as they have, and so like

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you know, in a nutshell, like that's why Minnesota is

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the way it is that there is no one there

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at all willing to fight.

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Speaker 1: Well and from the outside looking in, and you see

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a very similar dynamic in Maine with a similar population

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in a similar h out of guests. Will put it

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that way, where you have a high trust system and

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you have a system that you know, there was a

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welfare system, and of course with any welfare there is

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fraud always, But when you have a common cultural understanding, again,

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there's always people who are going to take advantage of that,

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but you can count on a certain amount of commonality. Right,

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what is viewed as honorable and dishonorable behavior and when

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you bring in a group who is hyper aware of

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their specific identity. In the case of ill han Omar,

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when she is speaking Somalia is the language they speak there.

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I am an advocate of you. This is why you

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have sent me off to Congress. You know, my primary

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issue is Ethiopians seizing territorial waters off the coast of Somalia,

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which is I mean, I guess to her people that

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makes a lot of sense, but you know, somewhat bizarre

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as a representative of America. But regardless, right, you take

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that and you combine very different cultural attitudes about welfare,

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about what is acceptable behavior, It's like, well, what look, man,

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what did you think was going to happen? And so

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that sort of congenial view of politics, where we may

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we may disagree about certain things, but ultimately we're all

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we're all sitting down at the same table. We all

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love this state. It's like, well, one that goes out

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the window because those people do not, very clearly do

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not have the same values that you do. They do

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not have the same views of what is and is

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not appropriate. And I think what's what's interesting to me,

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and this was earlier last year, I guess. But a

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relevant part is, uh, Jacob Fry very closely, very nearly

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losing his race. Because you've seen this already in places

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like England, that the Left brings in a large immigrant

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population sort of as a as a voter bank, right

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as a institute or institution of fraud, as basically as

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a client group. But the problem is that client group

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reaches a critical mass and then they no longer need that.

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They can do their own or at least they can

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go one step up. So for instance, well, we don't

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need to be the clients of the mayor. We can

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be the mayor. And look, I don't live in Minnesota.

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I that is not that is this sort of cold

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comfort to you know, the what Minnesota patriots there are.

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But I think that's an interesting dynamic as well. So Andrew,

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I'm gonna throw you this is not something I believe.

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I know the answer you're going to give, but we'll

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throw it out anyway. Well, aren't these Somalis very conservative

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if you ask them about homosexuality, if you ask them

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about any one of these social issues there to the

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right of the Westboro Baptist church. Why do they why

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do they vote for communists?

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Speaker 2: Andrew?

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Speaker 1: Because surely these are natural conservatives, right, and if we

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could just tailor our messaging, we could we could we

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the GOP could swing these these hardcore religious voters. So obviously,

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you know, it's sort of a tongue in cheek question,

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but I will throw it to.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, well it's tongue in cheek. But like that has

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been a serious strategy. I mean, it's not serious obviously,

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but like that has been a major undertaking that the

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Minnesota GOP has attempted over like the last decade. Is

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is like that same logic where it's like, well, they're Muslims,

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so they're they're against gay marriage, and I think they're

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against abortion and they like having families. Uh, so they

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really should vote for us, so we should do all

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sorts of your outreach to the Somalies. And of course

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it's like like you know boomer universalist, egalitarian, you know,

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post war consensus brain where like they they are constitutionally

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incapable of recognizing that, Okay, every single human being on

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the planet is actually not a carbon copy of you, uh,

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that that you as an American and in particular, as

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someone from the Upper Midwest are or unique. Uh that

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that people all over the world are very very different. Right,

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people from the Horn of Africa. Uh, they have a

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completely different way of life and a completely different view

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of both themselves and the rest of the world than

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you have. And like one. I mean. One of the

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reasons why they like don't think that is up until

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like maybe the last year or two, it was all

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but illegal to even begin considering whether that was true,

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right you You had to you had to believe that.

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You know, little Abdi Schamark muhammad Is uh Is is

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just like you, thinks exactly the same way you do.

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Would feel tremendous shame if he had to go on

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welfare and would never ever, under any circumstances take advantage

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of the system if he did. Right, Well, he's he's

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not like you. They're not like They don't think like

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you do. They think they think of themselves first and

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foremost as Somali's and they have a tremendously high in

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group preference, like most of the rest of the world

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that's outside of the West does. Right, They don't think

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in terms of individual They think in terms of of group,

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of their group, of their group, identity, and and so

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it's obvious like why it happens, right, because they just

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see these these dopes who are handing out free money,

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and why wouldn't why wouldn't you take it? Why wouldn't

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you help all of all of the people, you know,

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all of your friends and neighbors and relatives take advantage

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of the system as much as possible, so they they're

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all in it together. Like that's that's the thing with

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these daycares is in order to like collect the money

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for for all of this, you you have to have

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like dozens or hundreds of people that you know sign

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their kids in and sign up for the program, and

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then you give them a little kickback, you know, maybe

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you give them a couple hundred bucks a month out

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of you know, the thousands that they would get for

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each child. And and that's like that's how this works.

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And you also have to know that like for us,

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like thinking thinking of of groups as different and much

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less like thinking like this is better than that is

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totally utterly verboten, too modern, you know, post war Americans, right,

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completely forbidden thought to ever have, and for them, completely

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forbidden thing is doing anything that would harm your people, right,

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so they know not a single one of the people

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that are signing up this participating in this scam is

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ever going to snitch on us ever. Right, That's that's

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why it works. That's why, like why you don't see

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you know Americans doing this, for one is like you

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you assume like somebody is going to spill the beans, right,

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like somebody's gonna knarck on you. And there they they know,

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they are utterly assured that that's never ever, ever going

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to happen. And so yeah, it's it's it's it's wild.

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Like I mean, I've thought, I I you know, I

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had a conversation today with a friend of mine, uh

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just about you know, how we how we moved uh

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to Tennessee, and uh, I'm not from here, right, I'm not. Uh.

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It's a very very different place than I'm used to. Right.

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Their way of life is very different. Uh. Even the

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words that they use for things, it's different than the

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ones I do. The way uh, just cultural attitudes, everything

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very very different. And I was thinking, like, you know,

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it might take me, you know, the rest of my

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life living here to you know, adapt to the way

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of life here, to to really begin to fit in

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to assimilate to their way of life, and I might

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never I might never actually you know, be one of them,

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and maybe even my children won't. And my children's children

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might not, right, they still might be like me of

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someone from the Upper Midwest. And so you feel this

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sort of alienness, this this that you're different, that that

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you don't quite fit in. And and so it was

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and in this conversation, it's like so bizarre because, uh,

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everyone thinks that people from like Somalia or I can

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just seamlessly assimilate into being Americans when like you move

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from one from one region of the country to another

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and you don't. But you're you're you know, born and raised,

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multi generation uh American, and you don't fit in in

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different parts of the country. Yet this there's this idea

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that that people from the third world will just boom,

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they're American. They have a piece of paper and and

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now they are just like us. It's, uh, it's wild

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to t even consider that, like the disparity, like it's

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it's obviously not true. Right, you can't you can't expect them,

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I mean, one, they have no incentive to to begin with. Right,

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you look at the waves of European immigrants in the

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late nineteenth and early twentieth century, and there was intense

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pressure just from a from a societal standpoint for them

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to stop speaking their native tongues and speak only English. Uh,

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for them to adopt the cultural habits and mannerisms and

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everything else of the people here. Uh. And and one

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like their cultures were not so alien from our own

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that there wasn't that that huge, huge, huge difference, right. Uh.

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But even that, right, it took multiple generations for those

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people to assimilate and to become Americans. And it's like,

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I just don't I don't think it is even possible, right,

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I don't think. I mean I think it could. You could.

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They could be here five hundred years and they still

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would be Somali's right, they still would not be Americans. Uh.

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And so I think so many of the like the obvious, uh,

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the obvious points of failure of the post war consensus

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are just being laid bare now where we because of

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the prosperity that we've enjoyed for the last sixty years,

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you can kind of paper over them, you can kind

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of pretend it's not real. And and now now it's like, Okay,

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all this stuff is real and and so you and

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you can see it like so like boomers are as

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a generation pretty well off right. They have lots of

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as a group, lots of investments, lots of property, lots

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of lots of things that they enjoy. Their their standard

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of living is is very very high. But for the

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younger generation, for Zoomers and even even millennials, they've got nothing.

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And uh that that is always the thing where it's

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like people, you know, it was always it was always

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the thing like, oh, when are the sheep gonna wake up? Right?

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When are the sheep will get well? Well, nobody ever

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like wakes up right? Uh, and certainly not if like

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life is good and you can just be like catch

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the game last night? Did you you know, did you

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see that to see the end of the Steelers Ravens game?

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Do you believe that they missed the kick? Right? Like

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you could just focus on all the things that don't matter, right,

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because you're living in Disney World. But when when life

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is terrible, when life is is not good, when nothing

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you do seems to work right, you're not able to

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live the good life that your parents or your grandparents enjoyed,

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then then you begin becoming open to a lot of

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realities that everyone else just is incapable of seeing. And

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so I think that's why this is like sort of

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happening now. Where if this were ten years ago even

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and there was this big, massive fraud by the Somalis,

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the exact same things taking place, right I don't think

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the reaction would have been the same that it is

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right now. I think people would have been like, well,

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you know, it's not all Somali's doing this, it's only

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a small like some of the some of like the

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lib cope that you see over it. Like that would

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be said by conservative leaders right now is oh, it's

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not awesome. We can't blame all the Somalis for, you know,

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the things that have happened, like the one big like

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Minnesota influence you know, Republican influencer guy. I think he's

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paid by the Republican Party. I don't really know. This

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Dustin Grage guy is kind of a big joke because

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like a year or two ago, he was he was

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actually like saying the same stuff you were, you know,

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saying a tongue in cheek earlier, where it's like, well,

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actually the Somalis are natural conservatives and that stuff.

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Speaker 1: Like that, and now phrase I'm issuing a fought baw

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like I am. Whoever types that coming to your house,

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We're gonna fist fight in the parking lot like that.

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That is I'm joking, of course, but genuinely like that

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is one of the dumbest phrases and ideas. And to

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your point, right, yeah, these sort of internal contradictions can

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be sort of ameliorated by abundance, right, So it doesn't

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it's not true, but yeah, there's nothing really causing me

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pain here, so whatever. You know, It's like we all

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have these situations in our social life where it's a

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you know, something that obviously isn't true. These genes make

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my butt look big whatever, where you're like, fine, sure, whatever,

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00:29:23,000 --> 00:29:26,880
but the answers, yeah, I guess, depending on you know

475
00:29:26,880 --> 00:29:29,880
who you are and who's asking. But in all seriousness, right,

476
00:29:29,920 --> 00:29:33,599
when that when it becomes painful, when all of a

477
00:29:33,599 --> 00:29:35,240
sudden you're like, wait a minute, I need to earn

478
00:29:35,640 --> 00:29:39,160
a buck forty a year to be middle class. I'm

479
00:29:39,200 --> 00:29:41,079
not even close to middle class anymore.

480
00:29:41,559 --> 00:29:42,359
Speaker 2: Yeah, why am I?

481
00:29:43,680 --> 00:29:46,599
Speaker 1: Why am I falling down the socioeconomic ladder? Why am

482
00:29:46,640 --> 00:29:50,559
I downwardly mobile? And you look to your right and

483
00:29:50,599 --> 00:29:53,400
you're like, wait a minute, these guys are getting lambeaus.

484
00:29:54,039 --> 00:29:56,960
He's got a Rolls Royce as a guy who owns

485
00:29:57,000 --> 00:30:01,319
a daycare, Like, wait a minute, So I'm getting screwed.

486
00:30:01,960 --> 00:30:05,119
He's getting a ton of money. And if I have

487
00:30:05,160 --> 00:30:09,039
an objection to that, it's white supremacy. And there are

488
00:30:09,039 --> 00:30:11,680
two things from that, which is one, I guess white

489
00:30:11,680 --> 00:30:14,960
supremacy doesn't sound so bad if you believe what Tim

490
00:30:15,000 --> 00:30:19,880
Walls does. Or alternately, it's well, why would I sign

491
00:30:19,960 --> 00:30:23,240
up for this? Like this is a bad deal. And

492
00:30:23,319 --> 00:30:25,680
to your point about you know, the kind of death

493
00:30:25,759 --> 00:30:29,240
knell of the post war consensus. The writing has been

494
00:30:29,240 --> 00:30:31,759
on the wall for a while, but there have been

495
00:30:31,759 --> 00:30:34,160
several parts about it, you know, And I don't want

496
00:30:34,160 --> 00:30:37,000
to turn this into a discussion about foreign policy, but

497
00:30:37,920 --> 00:30:40,400
to me, the other side of that, right, the rules

498
00:30:40,400 --> 00:30:43,079
based international order, the idea that war is illegal. We

499
00:30:43,119 --> 00:30:47,480
don't do this anymore. Well, one, we never stuck to it,

500
00:30:48,319 --> 00:30:51,920
but at least there was a fiction Russia Ukraine kicks off.

501
00:30:52,720 --> 00:30:55,960
We clearly we're not a fan of that. Nonetheless, it

502
00:30:56,000 --> 00:30:59,480
is still happening, or alternately, now we're doing it ourselves.

503
00:30:59,480 --> 00:31:03,440
So no one believes that fig leaf anymore. Right, that's clearly,

504
00:31:04,920 --> 00:31:08,599
to pick a metaphor from a book you may have read,

505
00:31:10,200 --> 00:31:12,799
the sacred tree has been chopped down, right, no one

506
00:31:12,839 --> 00:31:17,519
believes in it anymore. And similarly, at home, this idea

507
00:31:17,599 --> 00:31:20,000
of like magic dirt theory, and this idea that if

508
00:31:20,000 --> 00:31:23,559
we bring the entire population of mogod Isshue to Minnesota,

509
00:31:23,960 --> 00:31:26,400
we will have created I don't know how many people

510
00:31:26,400 --> 00:31:28,359
live in mogod Isshue, but let's just say a million

511
00:31:28,400 --> 00:31:32,640
new Midwesterners. Well, that's plainly not true. Now, that doesn't

512
00:31:32,720 --> 00:31:35,920
necessarily change the political calculus of who is in charge.

513
00:31:36,440 --> 00:31:40,960
But that narrative, right, that kind of central religious thrust

514
00:31:41,200 --> 00:31:44,480
that has kind of animated the US Empire, both you know,

515
00:31:44,519 --> 00:31:47,559
abroad and at home. I mean, that's dead man, that's

516
00:31:47,599 --> 00:31:53,240
completely and totally dead. And weirdly enough, this this idea

517
00:31:53,440 --> 00:31:58,519
of kind of you could say, like you know, human fungibility,

518
00:31:58,599 --> 00:32:01,400
the idea that you can take someone from anywhere and

519
00:32:01,519 --> 00:32:04,720
they are identical to someone from anywhere else. Right, humans

520
00:32:04,759 --> 00:32:06,880
are just these kind of interchangeable widgets that can be

521
00:32:06,920 --> 00:32:11,240
plugged in and out of different cultures. I think that

522
00:32:11,240 --> 00:32:17,480
that idea was really only possible due to that question

523
00:32:17,519 --> 00:32:20,359
being theoretical. Right when it's something I see on the

524
00:32:20,480 --> 00:32:22,839
and you saw this with gay marriage, right, where this

525
00:32:22,880 --> 00:32:25,960
is something when it's will and grace, even if it's

526
00:32:25,960 --> 00:32:29,640
not true, it's easier to kind of delude yourself because oh,

527
00:32:29,640 --> 00:32:32,079
it's on the TV, it's far away. But when it's

528
00:32:32,079 --> 00:32:33,480
in your face, when you're like, wait a minute, this

529
00:32:33,519 --> 00:32:37,400
isn't right. We're not the same thing here. Yeah, sure

530
00:32:37,400 --> 00:32:39,720
your passport has the same stamp that mine does, but

531
00:32:40,079 --> 00:32:43,640
we're clearly going about a different project. I mean, I

532
00:32:43,680 --> 00:32:48,480
think that that is very difficult to patch over in

533
00:32:48,599 --> 00:32:50,839
a time where there's not a lot of surplus to

534
00:32:50,880 --> 00:32:54,519
go around. So I believe we mentioned this kid, Nick Shirley,

535
00:32:55,359 --> 00:32:58,480
who exposed a lot of this. This scandal was going

536
00:32:58,519 --> 00:33:02,839
on beforehand, but he in and showed up at the location.

537
00:33:03,000 --> 00:33:05,440
Was like, wait a minute, this isn't a daycare. There

538
00:33:05,440 --> 00:33:08,160
are six corporations registered to this abandoned building in the

539
00:33:08,160 --> 00:33:12,200
middle of the hood. I don't think there are children here.

540
00:33:12,559 --> 00:33:16,440
Several things there. One I sort of jokingly mentioned the

541
00:33:16,480 --> 00:33:18,920
reaction from Tim Walls where he throws up his hands

542
00:33:18,960 --> 00:33:21,799
and says it's white supremacy. But I don't know if

543
00:33:21,799 --> 00:33:23,039
you caught this, and I don't remember who did it.

544
00:33:23,079 --> 00:33:25,480
I believe he was a journalist or maybe a foreign

545
00:33:25,519 --> 00:33:28,519
policy fella. I can't remember who. Basically, you know, quote

546
00:33:28,519 --> 00:33:31,680
tweeted this and said, I can't wait until you know

547
00:33:31,720 --> 00:33:33,599
that this sort of I think he used the term

548
00:33:34,559 --> 00:33:39,200
vigilante journalism encounters the castle doctrine.

549
00:33:39,400 --> 00:33:42,319
Speaker 2: Yeah, yeah, wasn't he like a reporter for The Atlantic,

550
00:33:44,359 --> 00:33:45,000
one of those.

551
00:33:46,319 --> 00:33:49,200
Speaker 1: Outlets, one of those rags, right, several things there.

552
00:33:49,319 --> 00:33:49,680
Speaker 2: One.

553
00:33:50,039 --> 00:33:52,559
Speaker 1: I don't believe Minnesota has whichever law he was mentioning,

554
00:33:52,599 --> 00:33:53,440
but that sort of.

555
00:33:53,440 --> 00:33:55,400
Speaker 2: It doesn't have stand your ground laws. It's like one

556
00:33:55,440 --> 00:33:58,920
of the few states that that doesn't in duty veteran

557
00:33:59,039 --> 00:34:01,759
but duty to retreat in Minnesota just.

558
00:34:01,799 --> 00:34:06,480
Speaker 1: Don't hurt me. But point is just wishing for this

559
00:34:06,559 --> 00:34:10,039
man to be killed, saying we should like and we

560
00:34:10,079 --> 00:34:14,119
saw as some of his footage he was being physically threatened.

561
00:34:14,679 --> 00:34:17,800
And I'm curious, what do you make of that? Oh

562
00:34:17,880 --> 00:34:21,119
you pointed this out, we should or someone should kill you.

563
00:34:21,559 --> 00:34:25,519
It's obviously not a rhetorical position expressed by many people,

564
00:34:25,599 --> 00:34:28,159
at least explicitly. You know, a few people are dumb

565
00:34:28,280 --> 00:34:30,800
enough to put that in text, so to speak. Yeah,

566
00:34:30,840 --> 00:34:34,000
but nonetheless, like that does seem to be the reaction

567
00:34:34,079 --> 00:34:37,400
here is basically like, oh, we're going to either assassinate

568
00:34:37,440 --> 00:34:41,480
your character by calling you a white supremacist or advocate

569
00:34:41,559 --> 00:34:43,239
for community policing.

570
00:34:44,280 --> 00:34:50,679
Speaker 2: Yeah, yeah, I mean number for one, like they haven't

571
00:34:50,719 --> 00:34:54,679
gotten any less violent after they killed Charlie Kirk. I

572
00:34:54,679 --> 00:34:59,760
mean even like yesterday or last night, some apparent like

573
00:35:00,159 --> 00:35:04,039
TF went to jd Vance's house in Ohio and tried

574
00:35:04,039 --> 00:35:08,800
to break in and and kill him, and uh and

575
00:35:08,960 --> 00:35:11,920
and so like, yeah, the the they are not They're

576
00:35:11,960 --> 00:35:15,239
not putting the woke away. They're not putting the violence

577
00:35:15,360 --> 00:35:20,239
away at all. So that's that's one of the things

578
00:35:20,280 --> 00:35:23,960
I think that's on like the you know, the bottom end,

579
00:35:24,239 --> 00:35:29,320
like they have this limitless reservoir of of losers to

580
00:35:29,440 --> 00:35:33,119
go do violent stuff to people on the one end,

581
00:35:33,360 --> 00:35:36,400
but then on the top end of it, right like

582
00:35:36,480 --> 00:35:41,119
he's he's going to get sued for defamation by one

583
00:35:41,159 --> 00:35:42,960
of these you know, Somali's And look, the State of

584
00:35:43,000 --> 00:35:46,840
Minnesota is helping like helping make that case right now,

585
00:35:46,920 --> 00:35:49,000
saying oh no, all of these all of these daycares

586
00:35:49,000 --> 00:35:52,239
are totally legitimate. Like you saw the maybe you saw this.

587
00:35:52,320 --> 00:35:55,639
There was like a Craigslist post in Minneapolis looking for

588
00:35:56,119 --> 00:36:00,000
child actors to come when the investigators cut you know,

589
00:36:00,039 --> 00:36:02,639
investigators tell them, yeah, we're gonna come on Monday, and

590
00:36:02,679 --> 00:36:05,239
they're scrambling to find a bunch of like random children

591
00:36:05,480 --> 00:36:10,079
to pay to sit in the daycare. Imagine answering that

592
00:36:10,159 --> 00:36:11,960
ad and like sending your child there.

593
00:36:12,440 --> 00:36:17,000
Speaker 1: But uh so, like Andrew, they're making a really funny

594
00:36:17,039 --> 00:36:19,719
idea for a hidden camera and all you have to

595
00:36:19,719 --> 00:36:21,800
do is put on one of those little propeller hats

596
00:36:21,840 --> 00:36:23,360
and pretend to be four years old.

597
00:36:25,880 --> 00:36:28,320
Speaker 2: Yeah maybe maybe maybe I could do that. That might work.

598
00:36:28,639 --> 00:36:30,840
Speaker 1: Look, if they can pretend to be autistic, you can

599
00:36:30,880 --> 00:36:32,719
pretend to be four years old. This is a this

600
00:36:32,800 --> 00:36:36,360
is a that's true to be logically consistent.

601
00:36:36,519 --> 00:36:38,239
Speaker 2: Like I mean that is that is the funny thing.

602
00:36:38,559 --> 00:36:41,480
Uh like bringing up the pretending to be autistic thing,

603
00:36:41,639 --> 00:36:47,280
Like you remember when the one woman in Rochester, Yeah yeah, yeah,

604
00:36:47,280 --> 00:36:51,920
like the controversy there, right, and they kept saying that

605
00:36:53,039 --> 00:36:55,000
this is a five year old who's autistic. Well, that

606
00:36:55,039 --> 00:36:58,079
five year old is like bigger than my ten year

607
00:36:58,119 --> 00:37:04,199
old in the video he's eight. Yeah, and like who

608
00:37:04,280 --> 00:37:07,760
was like, you know, uh, digging through a bag or whatever.

609
00:37:08,400 --> 00:37:15,239
And and like the Rochester naacp uh launched their own

610
00:37:15,320 --> 00:37:18,639
like GoFundMe for you know whatever Somali fila. Well one

611
00:37:19,239 --> 00:37:21,440
like the guy taking the video was a registered sex

612
00:37:21,440 --> 00:37:25,320
offender uh and who was at a park without any

613
00:37:25,480 --> 00:37:28,960
children of his own, which is weird obviously. Uh. And

614
00:37:29,079 --> 00:37:33,280
two like that kid uh you know that he claims

615
00:37:33,280 --> 00:37:36,360
to be five years old and autistic Like that opened

616
00:37:36,440 --> 00:37:41,360
up the Yeah, that opened up Pandora's box of Wait

617
00:37:41,400 --> 00:37:43,639
a second, what's going on here? Like I have uh

618
00:37:44,039 --> 00:37:48,960
an autistic son, and I knew I knew this scam

619
00:37:49,039 --> 00:37:54,159
was going on like the whole time because like when uh,

620
00:37:54,519 --> 00:37:56,760
when I first went to one of these places to

621
00:37:56,840 --> 00:38:00,639
have him like formally diagnosed, were there like the waiting

622
00:38:00,679 --> 00:38:04,599
room and half the people there were Somali. I'm not like,

623
00:38:05,440 --> 00:38:09,280
you know, making that up. I'm not like exaggerating. Half

624
00:38:09,280 --> 00:38:11,239
of the people in the waiting room are Smali families

625
00:38:11,239 --> 00:38:14,880
with their kids. And I remember thinking, I'm like, uh,

626
00:38:15,960 --> 00:38:19,639
that's weird because half of the population of Minnesota is

627
00:38:19,639 --> 00:38:23,639
not Somali, But why why are there so maybe just

628
00:38:23,840 --> 00:38:25,559
you know, lined up, they all had the day off

629
00:38:25,599 --> 00:38:27,639
that day or something or whatever. You know, you kind

630
00:38:27,639 --> 00:38:29,360
of put it out of your mind. But then I

631
00:38:29,360 --> 00:38:31,960
would take my son to like other appointments like speech

632
00:38:32,039 --> 00:38:35,880
therapy and things like that, and same situation in the

633
00:38:35,880 --> 00:38:39,079
waiting room, Like it'd be me there and like one

634
00:38:39,079 --> 00:38:42,280
other you know, uh, you know, white mom or dad

635
00:38:42,280 --> 00:38:43,880
with their kid, and then the rest of the people

636
00:38:43,920 --> 00:38:47,000
there would be Somali. And I'm like and after it

637
00:38:47,039 --> 00:38:51,719
happened a few times, I was like, huh, seem to

638
00:38:51,760 --> 00:38:54,679
be noticing a pattern here that all of the like

639
00:38:54,800 --> 00:39:01,079
autism stuff, all of the resources for autism are are

640
00:39:01,119 --> 00:39:05,639
like overwhelmingly going to Somali's. That's weird. So I mean

641
00:39:05,719 --> 00:39:09,760
maybe they must be just like vaccinating the crap out

642
00:39:09,800 --> 00:39:14,239
of these kids or or it's all fake, it's not

643
00:39:14,400 --> 00:39:19,199
real and they found something to scam and it turns

644
00:39:19,199 --> 00:39:21,159
out like yeah, obviously that's what they were doing.

645
00:39:21,360 --> 00:39:21,480
Speaker 1: Uh.

646
00:39:22,079 --> 00:39:27,679
Speaker 2: They would go to you know, doctor Shamark Muhammad, you know,

647
00:39:27,719 --> 00:39:31,280
a psychologist, and he'd be like you'd look at their

648
00:39:31,360 --> 00:39:35,800
kid for ten seconds, Yep, autism all right, Now, go

649
00:39:35,880 --> 00:39:40,760
to Department of Human Services and like take all the money,

650
00:39:40,760 --> 00:39:44,559
like and the resources there are extremely generous, like they

651
00:39:44,559 --> 00:39:50,280
have they have a program called paid parenting, right, so yeah, yeah,

652
00:39:50,280 --> 00:39:52,360
if you have an artistic child, you could sign up

653
00:39:52,400 --> 00:39:55,320
for it and and get paid thirty dollars an hour

654
00:39:55,400 --> 00:40:00,800
to watch your own kid. And so so wow, crazy

655
00:40:00,800 --> 00:40:03,960
how many autistic children there are in Minnesota that are Somali's.

656
00:40:05,320 --> 00:40:08,400
Like every kind of thing, uh that can be scammed,

657
00:40:08,440 --> 00:40:12,320
they scam it. And and so yeah, like every child

658
00:40:12,440 --> 00:40:16,719
in Minnesota, the Somali Is is on the autism spectrum. Apparently.

659
00:40:18,599 --> 00:40:21,239
It's uh, it's yeah, it's it's a thing that's that's

660
00:40:21,280 --> 00:40:24,519
gone on for for so long, and it's so obvious

661
00:40:24,559 --> 00:40:27,079
and like every everybody knows it. And and like all

662
00:40:27,119 --> 00:40:29,320
of these you know, care providers or whatever, they don't

663
00:40:29,320 --> 00:40:32,079
care because the money is good to them, so they'll

664
00:40:33,000 --> 00:40:36,960
they'll do all the therapy things and everything else, and

665
00:40:37,360 --> 00:40:42,760
it is it is all so obviously fraudulent. But but yeah,

666
00:40:42,800 --> 00:40:46,000
I think like the uh, yeah, the thing that that

667
00:40:46,119 --> 00:40:51,239
you're you're getting at is that I mean I've seen

668
00:40:51,280 --> 00:40:55,840
it from just like people back home that in the

669
00:40:55,880 --> 00:41:01,159
past were you know, it would be like mortified to

670
00:41:01,239 --> 00:41:08,480
be critical of the Somaldis. They they now are like, yeah,

671
00:41:08,480 --> 00:41:10,199
they all got to go. They all need to go,

672
00:41:10,239 --> 00:41:11,880
Every single last one of them needs to get out

673
00:41:11,920 --> 00:41:15,800
of here. And and and it's like, well, what what

674
00:41:15,880 --> 00:41:17,800
has changed? And I think a lot of it is

675
00:41:17,800 --> 00:41:22,519
like it's regular people that are, you know, working forty

676
00:41:22,639 --> 00:41:26,119
fifty sixty hours a week to just keep their heads

677
00:41:26,159 --> 00:41:29,199
above water. And then they see these people driving around

678
00:41:29,239 --> 00:41:33,360
in range rovers and BMW's and scamming, scamming them, and

679
00:41:33,400 --> 00:41:35,840
they know that they're paying for it and that they're

680
00:41:35,840 --> 00:41:38,320
working their butt off just to provide for their families.

681
00:41:39,119 --> 00:41:41,519
And it's like, no, I don't all of them need

682
00:41:41,519 --> 00:41:42,559
to go. I don't care what you call me. I

683
00:41:42,559 --> 00:41:45,679
don't care if him Walls says it's white supremacy or whatever.

684
00:41:46,159 --> 00:41:49,960
And even in that like weird press conference that he did,

685
00:41:50,159 --> 00:41:52,840
it's like, well, there's way more fraud that white people do, right,

686
00:41:52,840 --> 00:41:56,719
he like asserts this, and it's like, well, I mean,

687
00:41:56,719 --> 00:41:59,480
we can get into per capita if you want. But

688
00:41:59,760 --> 00:42:02,599
even setting that aside, like most of these programs, like

689
00:42:02,639 --> 00:42:06,360
the daycare program itself, white people are not eligible for

690
00:42:06,480 --> 00:42:09,639
it at all. It was for you know, minorities and

691
00:42:09,800 --> 00:42:13,440
migrants right specifically, So like if I wanted to set

692
00:42:13,519 --> 00:42:17,000
up one of these daycares, I would not have been

693
00:42:17,320 --> 00:42:20,800
able to get any of any of the free moneies

694
00:42:21,199 --> 00:42:24,760
from the federal government, from the state government that that

695
00:42:24,840 --> 00:42:28,199
they get, right, So like this is simply not true.

696
00:42:28,239 --> 00:42:32,679
And I remember thinking about that, Yeah, just that specific issue,

697
00:42:32,840 --> 00:42:36,760
right that or all of the SBA loans that go

698
00:42:36,880 --> 00:42:41,960
to that go to you know, the Patel cartel to

699
00:42:41,960 --> 00:42:44,719
buy up all the all the motels around the country,

700
00:42:45,440 --> 00:42:48,079
or you know, to buy all the gas stations and

701
00:42:48,159 --> 00:42:51,519
convenience stores and liquor stores and things like that, and

702
00:42:51,639 --> 00:42:59,280
thinking like it's it's crazy that, uh, I have worked

703
00:42:59,280 --> 00:43:02,840
my entire life just to barely, you know, get by

704
00:43:03,000 --> 00:43:05,360
that My parents did the same thing, that everybody I

705
00:43:05,440 --> 00:43:08,400
know that I grew up with have done the same thing,

706
00:43:09,760 --> 00:43:13,199
and people from the Third world can just come here

707
00:43:13,679 --> 00:43:16,440
and get free stuff that we have to pay for.

708
00:43:17,840 --> 00:43:21,559
It becomes like extremely infuriating right where It's like it's

709
00:43:21,599 --> 00:43:26,280
it's one thing if right, economic times are rough everybody

710
00:43:27,440 --> 00:43:30,519
and everybody's just trying to get by, you know that

711
00:43:30,519 --> 00:43:35,760
that happens, right, That's that, that's life. It's it's like

712
00:43:35,840 --> 00:43:39,920
totally another thing when these foreign people come here and

713
00:43:39,960 --> 00:43:43,679
they're scamming the system that you're paying for. Right you

714
00:43:43,760 --> 00:43:47,199
begin you begin thinking like, whoa, It's like the entire

715
00:43:47,320 --> 00:43:50,440
system is set up for me to pay for them,

716
00:43:50,639 --> 00:43:55,960
to extract every bit of wealth from our country from

717
00:43:56,559 --> 00:43:59,679
you know, working in middle class white people to to

718
00:44:00,800 --> 00:44:04,119
like one hundred million Third worlders in the country. And

719
00:44:04,280 --> 00:44:08,239
you begin begin having those thoughts, and it's like wait, wait, wait,

720
00:44:08,280 --> 00:44:10,719
those are forbidden thoughts. You're not allowed to think that, right,

721
00:44:10,760 --> 00:44:13,480
You're not allowed to think think any of those things,

722
00:44:14,119 --> 00:44:16,840
and and you just kind of have to either break

723
00:44:16,880 --> 00:44:19,800
through it or not, right, either stay in the mental

724
00:44:19,800 --> 00:44:26,159
prison or you're like, yeah, actually all of this stuff together,

725
00:44:26,199 --> 00:44:27,960
Like the point that you bring up, it's like white,

726
00:44:27,960 --> 00:44:34,079
why are Muslims and like transgenders and you know, radical

727
00:44:34,159 --> 00:44:39,559
feminists and all of these disparate groups that seem to

728
00:44:39,559 --> 00:44:42,360
have nothing in common, right, why are they all on

729
00:44:42,440 --> 00:44:45,880
the same side. And it's like, well, what is the

730
00:44:45,880 --> 00:44:49,519
one thing that they have in common. It's that you know,

731
00:44:49,519 --> 00:44:51,840
they're not white, they're not Christian, and they're not male.

732
00:44:52,679 --> 00:44:58,519
It's like they've identified an enemy, like white Christian American males,

733
00:45:00,079 --> 00:45:05,079
and they're all joining together to fight that, right, it's

734
00:45:05,119 --> 00:45:09,159
the uh, you know, Steve Sailor's coalition of the Fringes. Right,

735
00:45:09,199 --> 00:45:13,679
they have they have one group, right, Americans who are

736
00:45:13,719 --> 00:45:19,000
predominantly Christian and and particularly the man like that is

737
00:45:19,039 --> 00:45:23,159
the enemy. That is the enemy. They they want to expropriate,

738
00:45:23,280 --> 00:45:27,559
they want to destroy, and and like that light bulb

739
00:45:27,599 --> 00:45:30,800
turns on and it's impossible to turn it off after that,

740
00:45:31,039 --> 00:45:33,760
where it's like, oh, I see what's going on? Right

741
00:45:33,840 --> 00:45:37,400
that Otherwise it makes absolutely no sense, Like why, yeah,

742
00:45:37,440 --> 00:45:40,480
why would Muslims be on the side of gay people

743
00:45:40,519 --> 00:45:43,639
and transgenders and things like that if they're so devoutly religious.

744
00:45:45,239 --> 00:45:49,800
It's like, well, their group interests align with with that group, right,

745
00:45:49,800 --> 00:45:53,480
that's why you know all all of politics actually is

746
00:45:53,519 --> 00:45:56,239
that way. It isn't It isn't just a collection of

747
00:45:56,280 --> 00:46:00,440
random individuals, and like these are forbidden things to say,

748
00:46:00,639 --> 00:46:06,400
like especially among Christians, among evangelical Christians in America who

749
00:46:06,480 --> 00:46:10,639
have imbibed this this sort of individualist of egalitarian view

750
00:46:11,400 --> 00:46:17,280
for generations now, and like the the one verse that

751
00:46:17,320 --> 00:46:19,519
they all know they know it even more than judge

752
00:46:19,559 --> 00:46:23,599
not lest you be judged is is Galatians three twenty eight. Right,

753
00:46:24,639 --> 00:46:29,679
is there is neither male nor female, you know, juwe

754
00:46:29,719 --> 00:46:32,639
nor Greek slaver free right, all are one in Christ.

755
00:46:32,760 --> 00:46:34,760
And so they take that verse and they apply that

756
00:46:34,920 --> 00:46:39,760
to everything in life. Right, that there are no distinctions

757
00:46:39,800 --> 00:46:42,239
between any groups, there's no distinctions between men and women,

758
00:46:42,960 --> 00:46:46,280
which is not what the apostle was saying at all,

759
00:46:46,599 --> 00:46:49,800
because then that becomes a proof text for transgenderism, right,

760
00:46:50,039 --> 00:46:54,599
And it's that's not what's being said. It's that there's

761
00:46:54,760 --> 00:46:58,679
there's no distinctions within within the kingdom of God, but

762
00:46:58,719 --> 00:47:01,480
within the kingdoms of n there there are always are,

763
00:47:02,119 --> 00:47:04,679
There are distinctions between men and women. There are distinctions

764
00:47:04,719 --> 00:47:07,760
between right, this nation and that nation, this group in

765
00:47:07,800 --> 00:47:12,320
that group. And and I mean, what is happening now

766
00:47:12,599 --> 00:47:15,800
is all of you know, the Emperor has not been

767
00:47:15,840 --> 00:47:18,000
wearing any clothes, and he's been towerking out in the

768
00:47:18,000 --> 00:47:21,679
street for a long time, and everyone's pretending that, Nope,

769
00:47:21,719 --> 00:47:24,880
this is totally normal. He's fully clothed and and operating

770
00:47:24,960 --> 00:47:29,719
with full decorum. And you you simply can't avoid it

771
00:47:30,000 --> 00:47:34,880
any longer. You you either see reality for it is,

772
00:47:35,239 --> 00:47:39,639
or you continue descending into madness trying to cope your

773
00:47:39,679 --> 00:47:43,559
way into intermitting in the good graces of the regime,

774
00:47:44,039 --> 00:47:47,360
right that that ultimately was is is what's taking place.

775
00:47:50,039 --> 00:47:53,199
Speaker 1: Yeah, I mean there's a there's a lot there. I mean,

776
00:47:53,679 --> 00:47:59,639
I think that to your point about both either the

777
00:47:59,639 --> 00:48:02,280
the fact that the incentive structure is set up to

778
00:48:02,360 --> 00:48:05,679
create this exact situation. And so you have a group

779
00:48:05,719 --> 00:48:11,159
of people who shore maybe conservative religiously, they may be

780
00:48:11,320 --> 00:48:16,960
conservative on issues of sex and gender. But it's two things. One,

781
00:48:17,039 --> 00:48:19,280
it is very difficult to get a man to notice

782
00:48:19,280 --> 00:48:21,480
something that he is paid not to notice. And if

783
00:48:21,480 --> 00:48:23,760
you are getting a Lamborghini out of this, that's a

784
00:48:23,760 --> 00:48:25,000
hell of a bribe.

785
00:48:25,280 --> 00:48:26,000
Speaker 2: Yes, Yeah.

786
00:48:26,079 --> 00:48:29,360
Speaker 1: Also there's a world of difference, as we've seen with

787
00:48:29,400 --> 00:48:34,000
ilhan Omar, between being conservative of their culture and conservative

788
00:48:34,079 --> 00:48:40,239
of your culture, completely unrelated concepts. And again, right, we

789
00:48:40,320 --> 00:48:42,760
have to understand that this isn't just a direct bribe.

790
00:48:42,880 --> 00:48:47,440
This isn't just the billions of dollars given out to this.

791
00:48:48,119 --> 00:48:51,119
There's also that you don't have to live in Mokedishu anymore,

792
00:48:51,360 --> 00:48:55,119
which is a pretty good pride, right, like comparatively a

793
00:48:55,159 --> 00:48:59,039
failed state to you know, Minnesota, which is someone who

794
00:48:59,199 --> 00:49:01,599
loaths going you know, north of the Mason Dixon line.

795
00:49:01,800 --> 00:49:04,599
Not my favorite place in the world. But I would say.

796
00:49:05,119 --> 00:49:06,960
Speaker 2: It was wonderful. It used to be great.

797
00:49:07,639 --> 00:49:13,800
Speaker 1: Still better than mogod issue, but way better. Yeah, alternately again, right,

798
00:49:13,880 --> 00:49:16,880
you're you're completely right to point out that sort of antipathy,

799
00:49:17,039 --> 00:49:19,599
that right, that they are pulling in the same direction

800
00:49:19,800 --> 00:49:23,519
because of who they dislike, who they hate. And I

801
00:49:23,519 --> 00:49:26,320
think that that's another, like another big part of it.

802
00:49:26,360 --> 00:49:28,000
And I think that this is one of the many

803
00:49:28,079 --> 00:49:32,320
reasons that kind of normal, good conservatives truly do lack

804
00:49:32,440 --> 00:49:36,480
a theory of mind for progressives in their client groups. Yeah,

805
00:49:36,519 --> 00:49:40,239
because that that sort of antipathy is not mirror imaged.

806
00:49:40,599 --> 00:49:44,039
You see some of it, but it is fundamentally. The

807
00:49:44,079 --> 00:49:47,159
MAGA movement is the most liberal movement in America currently

808
00:49:47,239 --> 00:49:49,920
on the board, Right, they are the ones who still

809
00:49:50,280 --> 00:49:55,239
deep down actually believe the post war consensus, actually believe.

810
00:49:55,639 --> 00:49:57,760
And this isn't to say that, you know, the progressives

811
00:49:57,760 --> 00:50:01,239
calling everyone a Nazi, haven't I have those same kind

812
00:50:01,280 --> 00:50:05,239
of that same theology, but they're not nearly as consistent

813
00:50:05,280 --> 00:50:10,119
about it. Right, They're more Machiavellian, they're more Schmidian. Funnily enough,

814
00:50:10,239 --> 00:50:12,639
right to you, the word that's been sort of tainted recently,

815
00:50:13,480 --> 00:50:18,119
And I think that additionally, the left and the right

816
00:50:18,800 --> 00:50:24,679
have a very different conception of conflict, where the right,

817
00:50:25,079 --> 00:50:30,400
I think, views conflict as me versus you, and they

818
00:50:30,480 --> 00:50:34,840
view it very much in sort of a rational material way,

819
00:50:35,280 --> 00:50:38,280
where we're in conflict because you were preventing me from

820
00:50:38,320 --> 00:50:40,199
doing this or you want this, and so I do,

821
00:50:40,800 --> 00:50:43,800
and they sort of dismiss that sort of abject hatred.

822
00:50:44,960 --> 00:50:46,960
So not only is that one difference, but another one

823
00:50:47,000 --> 00:50:49,320
is that the left version of conflict, in my mind,

824
00:50:49,360 --> 00:50:53,559
is tripartite. You have abuse or abused, which is the

825
00:50:53,599 --> 00:50:56,639
sort of analysis you can get from Dave Ruben, a

826
00:50:56,679 --> 00:51:00,360
conservative luminary. But there's a third role, and I think

827
00:51:00,400 --> 00:51:05,119
this is the difference between the different types of sort

828
00:51:05,119 --> 00:51:09,239
of progressive foot soldiers. You have victim, which is many

829
00:51:09,239 --> 00:51:12,320
of these client groups substitute your favorite one in. But

830
00:51:12,400 --> 00:51:15,599
also you have a third figure, you have an advocate.

831
00:51:16,159 --> 00:51:20,119
And so I think for many people, especially as material

832
00:51:20,159 --> 00:51:25,320
conditions decline, especially as the patronage network becomes more and

833
00:51:25,400 --> 00:51:30,599
more shifted towards new arrivals, they are getting paid off

834
00:51:30,679 --> 00:51:34,559
in kind of like social or emotional patronage. They're getting

835
00:51:34,559 --> 00:51:37,159
paid off in as the Internet would have said fifteen

836
00:51:37,239 --> 00:51:41,480
years ago, like feels overreals. You get to be not racist,

837
00:51:41,639 --> 00:51:46,280
you get to be better than the judge the people

838
00:51:46,280 --> 00:51:49,199
that you heat, And so I think that's the benefit.

839
00:51:49,320 --> 00:51:49,519
Speaker 2: Right.

840
00:51:49,559 --> 00:51:53,239
Speaker 1: On one hand, they get to wield the consensus apparatus

841
00:51:53,239 --> 00:51:56,239
to define who is virtuous and who is a sinner,

842
00:51:56,440 --> 00:51:58,880
who is a heretic, who is a Nazi? And on

843
00:51:58,920 --> 00:52:00,920
the other one, they can just pay you. And is

844
00:52:01,440 --> 00:52:03,519
it always one or always the other? No, it's quite

845
00:52:03,559 --> 00:52:08,519
often both. You know, these are not mutually exclusive categories.

846
00:52:09,280 --> 00:52:16,360
But I think that conservatives do understand progressives better than

847
00:52:16,440 --> 00:52:19,360
vice versa. In some ways, we live in a culture

848
00:52:19,599 --> 00:52:23,159
saturated in progressive values. If you are in a progressive bubble,

849
00:52:23,199 --> 00:52:27,199
you will almost never have to actually encounter a conservative

850
00:52:27,320 --> 00:52:30,440
quote unquote person. The reverse is not true in all

851
00:52:30,440 --> 00:52:34,119
but a few extreme examples. But I don't think they

852
00:52:34,159 --> 00:52:36,360
have a theory of mind. I don't think they understand

853
00:52:37,039 --> 00:52:43,679
the deep antipathy. And I think another part of this, Andrew.

854
00:52:43,440 --> 00:52:46,159
Speaker 2: Well, I think I think Jay's sorry to interrupt you,

855
00:52:46,239 --> 00:52:50,599
but I think they do, like the conservative has some

856
00:52:50,679 --> 00:52:54,639
semblance of a theory of mind of the lib where

857
00:52:55,679 --> 00:53:00,480
at least in a in a surface level way right,

858
00:53:00,519 --> 00:53:04,239
So like if you took you know, you you bring

859
00:53:05,000 --> 00:53:10,440
a random chud and a libtard together, right, the Chud

860
00:53:10,480 --> 00:53:13,880
will be able to before the libtard ever says what

861
00:53:13,920 --> 00:53:16,519
he thinks about any Like you play you know, a

862
00:53:16,559 --> 00:53:19,559
game like s Categories, except it's like political cultural stuff.

863
00:53:19,639 --> 00:53:22,840
And you name a category, right, you name an issue, like,

864
00:53:22,880 --> 00:53:25,760
the chud will be able to explain exactly what the

865
00:53:25,800 --> 00:53:29,760
lib believes and why, like on every single issue, right,

866
00:53:29,880 --> 00:53:32,159
one after the you go through the news, Right, you

867
00:53:32,199 --> 00:53:37,800
open up ancient technology newspaper and you go through each story.

868
00:53:37,840 --> 00:53:39,280
What do you think about that? I can tell you

869
00:53:39,320 --> 00:53:41,599
what you think? But the inverse is not true of

870
00:53:41,639 --> 00:53:44,519
the lib right, they will not be able to They'll

871
00:53:44,679 --> 00:53:47,119
they'll in their minds, it's like a two thousand and

872
00:53:47,199 --> 00:53:50,800
four Bush era conservative, that's how they think. Like they're

873
00:53:50,840 --> 00:53:53,960
stuck in like the Daily Show in terms of their

874
00:53:54,000 --> 00:53:56,760
theory of mind of the conservative. So they'll like throw

875
00:53:56,800 --> 00:54:01,599
out these arguments and and there's like twenty years out

876
00:54:01,599 --> 00:54:05,239
of date, right, they cannot begin to under They'll be like,

877
00:54:05,320 --> 00:54:08,559
what you say, you're for family values, but Donald Trump,

878
00:54:09,119 --> 00:54:11,480
you know, sleeps with porn stars. Right, how can you

879
00:54:11,559 --> 00:54:14,039
vote for him, Like they'll make that argument and think

880
00:54:14,119 --> 00:54:18,000
like that's a major own and and the chud will

881
00:54:18,000 --> 00:54:22,039
be like, who cares, I don't care, Like he's he's

882
00:54:22,119 --> 00:54:24,840
on my side, That's why I voted for him, Like

883
00:54:24,880 --> 00:54:27,719
they have no so at least on like the surface level,

884
00:54:28,840 --> 00:54:30,639
for the conservative, there is some theory of mind. But

885
00:54:30,679 --> 00:54:36,440
on like the deeper level, like you're saying, the conservative,

886
00:54:36,519 --> 00:54:42,559
the chud, the right winger generically is unless they're like

887
00:54:43,039 --> 00:54:46,159
on the online right right, unless they're like a person

888
00:54:46,199 --> 00:54:51,679
watching this show, they won't be able to explain exactly

889
00:54:51,880 --> 00:54:54,559
why do the why does the lib think that? You

890
00:54:54,599 --> 00:54:57,079
can explain what they think, but you can't explain why

891
00:54:57,119 --> 00:54:59,440
they think that right, And it's like, yeah, deep down,

892
00:54:59,480 --> 00:55:02,039
they hate you. That's what it is like. They hate you.

893
00:55:02,159 --> 00:55:06,639
It isn't just like they have some dumb ideological view

894
00:55:06,760 --> 00:55:10,800
that you think is idiotic. It's that they hate you

895
00:55:10,880 --> 00:55:13,559
and they want you dead right at the very core.

896
00:55:14,679 --> 00:55:19,079
And although some of that is beginning to change, I

897
00:55:19,119 --> 00:55:23,119
think right with Charlie Kirk being murdered and seeing the

898
00:55:23,159 --> 00:55:25,039
reaction to it, I think a lot of people were

899
00:55:25,239 --> 00:55:28,000
finally like, finally, who would deny? Like and I can

900
00:55:28,039 --> 00:55:32,159
tell you that like personal examples of friends who who

901
00:55:32,559 --> 00:55:35,920
kind of you know, fit this bill that if I told,

902
00:55:36,159 --> 00:55:38,840
like two years ago, if I said, hey, like most

903
00:55:38,960 --> 00:55:41,800
libs they hate you and want you dead, like, they

904
00:55:41,800 --> 00:55:44,679
would look at me like I'm insane, right, No, go,

905
00:55:44,960 --> 00:55:47,400
they just they believe stupid things. Man. You can't say

906
00:55:47,400 --> 00:55:51,679
that about them, no way. But after Charlie was murdered

907
00:55:51,840 --> 00:55:56,599
and you see them celebrate it, I got messages and

908
00:55:56,639 --> 00:56:00,840
calls from friends. We're like, dude, I think they all

909
00:56:00,880 --> 00:56:03,920
hate us and want us dead. And I'm like, yeah, man,

910
00:56:04,400 --> 00:56:06,559
you called me insane for saying that a year ago,

911
00:56:06,800 --> 00:56:09,480
and the first time now you agree with me, you know,

912
00:56:10,119 --> 00:56:13,519
uh so I think that is changing. But again, it's

913
00:56:13,519 --> 00:56:16,480
only like the younger people, right, It's only people like

914
00:56:16,719 --> 00:56:20,519
under forty that are getting that. Anyone who anyone who

915
00:56:20,599 --> 00:56:23,840
kind of got theirs uh is, is going to be

916
00:56:23,880 --> 00:56:26,360
willfully oblivious for the same reasons that you said, like

917
00:56:26,440 --> 00:56:28,880
their their pay is dependent on them not getting it.

918
00:56:30,400 --> 00:56:34,000
So any anyway, I totally interrupted you your train of

919
00:56:34,039 --> 00:56:36,480
thought there, and I apologize.

920
00:56:36,199 --> 00:56:39,800
Speaker 1: Sort of synthesize several points we've been kind of hovering around.

921
00:56:40,760 --> 00:56:43,440
To me, I think the most interesting aspect of this

922
00:56:43,800 --> 00:56:47,320
to look at is the kind of House conservatives, the

923
00:56:47,559 --> 00:56:54,400
the good conservatives, right, French, Dray or a couple of others, Uh,

924
00:56:54,880 --> 00:56:56,719
you know, the normal people I make fun of on

925
00:56:56,760 --> 00:57:01,880
the internet. And uh, French wrote a really interesting article

926
00:57:03,599 --> 00:57:05,800
called It's in the New York Times. You can find

927
00:57:05,800 --> 00:57:07,599
it on my sub stack. I wrote a response to

928
00:57:07,639 --> 00:57:10,679
it called you know what happens if you fail to

929
00:57:10,719 --> 00:57:14,639
recognize America as in decline? And he's sort of seething

930
00:57:14,840 --> 00:57:17,480
and maulding over the fact that like five years ago,

931
00:57:17,519 --> 00:57:20,559
a bunch of like conservatives on parlor back when that

932
00:57:20,599 --> 00:57:24,079
was an app we're making fun of him and that's,

933
00:57:24,119 --> 00:57:26,719
you know, kind of embarrassing or whatever. But what's interesting

934
00:57:26,719 --> 00:57:29,880
if we sort of dig into it, is that ultimately

935
00:57:31,679 --> 00:57:36,760
there's sort of a creeping recognition and creeping fear from

936
00:57:36,760 --> 00:57:40,360
those people that their God is dead right, that they're

937
00:57:40,480 --> 00:57:44,119
the post war consensus is gone, that no one deep

938
00:57:44,199 --> 00:57:49,559
down believes a lot of this anymore, and that people

939
00:57:49,559 --> 00:57:53,079
are angry, and that the previous guardrails of like, oh,

940
00:57:53,119 --> 00:57:55,639
you can't talk about that, you can't say that that's

941
00:57:55,760 --> 00:58:01,599
not true conservatism, that's not American. But those are going away.

942
00:58:01,920 --> 00:58:06,000
And of course i'm speaking, you know, euphemistically here, but

943
00:58:06,679 --> 00:58:11,440
I think genuinely that's a large part of the hatred

944
00:58:11,920 --> 00:58:13,880
that we're seeing. And I think this is why it

945
00:58:13,960 --> 00:58:18,880
sort of came up really intensified after Obama term two,

946
00:58:19,039 --> 00:58:21,440
because it was we did it, we did it, read it,

947
00:58:21,519 --> 00:58:24,599
we got our Messiah, you know, MLK is returned, We're

948
00:58:24,639 --> 00:58:28,760
going to get socialism. And it didn't happen. And not

949
00:58:28,800 --> 00:58:32,039
only did it not happen, but since then there have

950
00:58:32,119 --> 00:58:33,840
been and I'm not talking about in a sense of

951
00:58:33,840 --> 00:58:36,920
political victories, because the left has been stacking those for

952
00:58:36,960 --> 00:58:41,599
a long time, but the common consensus they enjoyed where

953
00:58:41,599 --> 00:58:45,760
they were the default winners, where they had the default morality,

954
00:58:45,840 --> 00:58:48,519
and so they could just sit there and accrue wins,

955
00:58:49,639 --> 00:58:52,920
that is going away, right, That common moral consensus that

956
00:58:52,960 --> 00:58:57,480
paradoxically they attacked for generations was also the same core

957
00:58:57,639 --> 00:59:00,519
thing that enabled them to say, you're a you're a

958
00:59:00,519 --> 00:59:05,119
white supremacist, go away. Oh you know, Abdul abdul here,

959
00:59:05,760 --> 00:59:07,239
he's just as American as you are.

960
00:59:08,400 --> 00:59:10,280
Speaker 2: Even more, is that, yeah?

961
00:59:10,320 --> 00:59:14,119
Speaker 1: Exactly, because that again depended on a common consensus, a

962
00:59:14,119 --> 00:59:18,639
common post war consensus that is truly dead and gone.

963
00:59:18,679 --> 00:59:20,280
And so I think that a lot of the history

964
00:59:20,280 --> 00:59:24,760
onics we see from the establishment liberal press and from

965
00:59:24,960 --> 00:59:28,800
you know, nominal conservatives like French and others, is exactly

966
00:59:28,840 --> 00:59:33,360
that is the fact that deep down they know and

967
00:59:33,400 --> 00:59:36,119
they don't want to admit it, that their projects done,

968
00:59:37,039 --> 00:59:40,199
that no one actually believes in it. And whether you

969
00:59:40,239 --> 00:59:42,199
take that in sort of a third worldist way, that

970
00:59:42,239 --> 00:59:45,079
we become like South Africa, where say what you will

971
00:59:45,119 --> 00:59:47,760
about South Africa, it is fundamentally not a liberal state

972
00:59:48,239 --> 00:59:51,920
at all. I mean, there are race communists and not

973
00:59:52,559 --> 00:59:56,480
but neither one of those people really cares anything at

974
00:59:56,480 --> 00:59:59,760
all for the kind of platitudes of you know, liberal modernity,

975
01:00:00,360 --> 01:00:03,639
whether it goes in that direction or you know, authoritarianism

976
01:00:03,719 --> 01:00:07,880
from either the right or the left, or explicitly fundamentally

977
01:00:07,920 --> 01:00:10,760
I view that pluralist project, you know, that idea that

978
01:00:10,800 --> 01:00:12,960
we can you know, we can all be unified by

979
01:00:13,000 --> 01:00:17,320
these these common values. No one believes that anymore, except

980
01:00:17,400 --> 01:00:21,079
for paradoxically, right, a certain number of like very genuine

981
01:00:21,119 --> 01:00:25,920
conservatives again, as you've said, older predominantly, but at the

982
01:00:26,000 --> 01:00:29,880
very least, and it's maybe some sort of cold comfort

983
01:00:30,639 --> 01:00:32,679
their God is dead. So that's something.

984
01:00:33,920 --> 01:00:37,440
Speaker 2: Yeah, no, I think it is. And I mean, yeah,

985
01:00:37,480 --> 01:00:40,119
like all of this stuff, like I've had, I've had

986
01:00:40,119 --> 01:00:43,440
so many people, you know, ask me like, oh, are

987
01:00:43,480 --> 01:00:46,639
you do you want to move back to Minnesota now

988
01:00:46,719 --> 01:00:52,280
that everything is everything is happening, And I'm like, like,

989
01:00:52,400 --> 01:00:53,800
what exactly do you think is happening?

990
01:00:54,079 --> 01:00:56,760
Speaker 1: Also, the first week of January is the wrong time

991
01:00:56,800 --> 01:00:59,039
to ask you that. Yeah, right where I assume it's

992
01:00:59,079 --> 01:01:01,519
like thirty degree where you are, you know, as opposed

993
01:01:01,559 --> 01:01:02,639
to negative twenty.

994
01:01:03,719 --> 01:01:08,800
Speaker 2: No, it's like sixty two degrees right now? Okay, yeah, yeah,

995
01:01:08,840 --> 01:01:12,480
and so and there it's probably tim below. Uh so

996
01:01:12,519 --> 01:01:15,199
there's like a seventy degree difference. But I mean not

997
01:01:15,239 --> 01:01:17,639
only that, not only I mean, yeah, the weather is

998
01:01:17,719 --> 01:01:22,239
nicer here, especially this time of year. But it's like

999
01:01:23,719 --> 01:01:27,599
it almost forces me to kind of blackpill because it's like,

1000
01:01:27,599 --> 01:01:29,440
what do you think is gonna happen? Like even like

1001
01:01:29,480 --> 01:01:32,440
do you think, like you know, delta force is gonna

1002
01:01:32,440 --> 01:01:36,400
swoop in and and haul tim Walls away? I mean,

1003
01:01:36,440 --> 01:01:39,760
that would be awesome if that happened, obviously, but that's

1004
01:01:39,760 --> 01:01:42,280
not gonna happen. Man, Like it's easier, it's easier for

1005
01:01:42,360 --> 01:01:45,719
Donald Trump to deal with Nicholas Maduro than it is

1006
01:01:45,760 --> 01:01:49,079
for him to deal with Tim Walls, Right, That's that's

1007
01:01:49,480 --> 01:01:54,519
like like foreign policy is easy. Uh, there's hardly any

1008
01:01:55,960 --> 01:02:01,599
any encumbrances to you know, executive power there Buttically there's

1009
01:02:01,920 --> 01:02:05,079
like nothing that community you have, you have the same

1010
01:02:05,159 --> 01:02:07,920
DJ That's like trying that up until a year ago,

1011
01:02:08,119 --> 01:02:09,760
was trying to throw him in prison for the rest

1012
01:02:09,760 --> 01:02:11,880
of his life that he's now nominally in charge of.

1013
01:02:11,960 --> 01:02:14,119
Like you really think that he's gonna be able to

1014
01:02:14,159 --> 01:02:16,119
swoop in the FBI is going to cub take Tip

1015
01:02:16,159 --> 01:02:18,199
Walls away at headcuffs in the middle of the night, Like, No,

1016
01:02:18,239 --> 01:02:22,320
that's not gonna happen. Uh. These are this is a

1017
01:02:22,480 --> 01:02:27,280
long like if if America is going to be saved, Uh,

1018
01:02:27,360 --> 01:02:30,960
if that can is even possible, and I think it is. Uh,

1019
01:02:31,760 --> 01:02:34,880
but that is a long, long term project, right. I mean,

1020
01:02:34,920 --> 01:02:38,440
they they accruede power over eighty years, and they they

1021
01:02:38,480 --> 01:02:42,679
pulled out every stop to gain as much as they could,

1022
01:02:43,159 --> 01:02:47,119
right from top to bottom, right every little shred or

1023
01:02:47,159 --> 01:02:49,920
an ounce of power that they can take, I mean

1024
01:02:50,000 --> 01:02:53,440
down to you know, down to like how many studs

1025
01:02:53,480 --> 01:02:56,480
have to be in in your in your bedroom right,

1026
01:02:56,679 --> 01:02:59,800
like every little thing, it's them gaining all of that,

1027
01:03:02,360 --> 01:03:05,880
and they're not going to give it up without a fight, right,

1028
01:03:05,880 --> 01:03:08,440
They're not going to give it up after one presidential election.

1029
01:03:09,320 --> 01:03:12,320
And and so you have to have this really long

1030
01:03:12,400 --> 01:03:15,199
view that like, if America is going to be fixed,

1031
01:03:15,199 --> 01:03:18,559
if Minnesota is going to be fixed, that is going

1032
01:03:18,639 --> 01:03:21,280
to take the rest of our lives and beyond that.

1033
01:03:22,079 --> 01:03:25,320
Uh so, you know, I'm never going to like blackpill

1034
01:03:26,199 --> 01:03:28,639
about this and just be totally nihilistic and just like

1035
01:03:28,719 --> 01:03:31,440
all hope is lost, it's over. There's nothing we can do.

1036
01:03:31,440 --> 01:03:36,519
Donald Trump hasn't become the authoritarian dictator that I thought

1037
01:03:36,559 --> 01:03:40,320
he would, and so, uh, you know, the fever dreams

1038
01:03:40,360 --> 01:03:43,239
of the Libs about Trump turns out they're not true.

1039
01:03:44,239 --> 01:03:47,400
Therefore I'm just going to completely give up and check out.

1040
01:03:47,719 --> 01:03:50,599
And and it's done like that, I think is like

1041
01:03:50,639 --> 01:03:54,559
that the constant temptation of a lot of people, especially online,

1042
01:03:54,760 --> 01:03:57,760
is right. They build up this idea in their head

1043
01:03:58,000 --> 01:04:01,320
of like the actual power or that the president can wield,

1044
01:04:01,960 --> 01:04:06,000
and then he doesn't do what they thought in their heads,

1045
01:04:06,280 --> 01:04:09,400
and so he obviously is controlled by net Yahoo or something.

1046
01:04:09,920 --> 01:04:15,000
And then it's like or like politics is hard and

1047
01:04:15,159 --> 01:04:20,760
complicated and difficult, and there's very little that can actually

1048
01:04:20,760 --> 01:04:23,519
be done in any given moment. Right. You can get

1049
01:04:23,519 --> 01:04:26,880
wins here and there, but it takes decades. It takes

1050
01:04:26,880 --> 01:04:31,239
a lot of time and a lot of commitment by everyone.

1051
01:04:31,440 --> 01:04:36,440
And so I look at it like, Okay, maybe if

1052
01:04:36,440 --> 01:04:39,639
things improve, you know, overall in the nation over the

1053
01:04:39,639 --> 01:04:46,280
next twenty or thirty years, we get you know, remigration

1054
01:04:46,559 --> 01:04:49,400
during that period of tens of millions, Like I think,

1055
01:04:49,519 --> 01:04:51,400
like people are like, oh, yeah, one hundred million. He

1056
01:04:51,440 --> 01:04:52,960
needs to get rid of a hundred million people in

1057
01:04:53,000 --> 01:04:55,159
the four years of his presidency. Like Okay, that's not

1058
01:04:55,199 --> 01:04:58,400
gonna happen, right, But even if he gets rid of

1059
01:04:58,960 --> 01:05:03,320
like five to ten, right one, everyone will be like

1060
01:05:03,360 --> 01:05:05,599
that's not enough. I can't believe, you know, used to failure.

1061
01:05:05,800 --> 01:05:07,400
This is this is the worst. And it's like, well,

1062
01:05:07,440 --> 01:05:12,000
that's ten million more plus ten million on the other

1063
01:05:12,039 --> 01:05:13,559
side that would have come in if you hadn't have

1064
01:05:13,599 --> 01:05:16,360
been president, right, And and so like you can you

1065
01:05:16,360 --> 01:05:21,199
can take these marginal wins over time and continue building.

1066
01:05:21,679 --> 01:05:24,880
And and that's that's how I look at it with Minnesota,

1067
01:05:24,880 --> 01:05:27,679
where it's like, Okay, things are not going to change

1068
01:05:28,199 --> 01:05:32,159
with the Minnesota GOP until like the GOP nationally changes

1069
01:05:32,360 --> 01:05:36,800
and they will slowly make their way into learning you

1070
01:05:36,800 --> 01:05:40,880
can actually do politics and win. But that that could

1071
01:05:40,920 --> 01:05:45,480
take twenty years, right, And so I look at it

1072
01:05:45,519 --> 01:05:49,199
where I just have very very very very tempered expectations,

1073
01:05:50,360 --> 01:05:53,960
but but not in like this hopeless sense, right, Like

1074
01:05:54,039 --> 01:05:58,480
the expectations are really low, but within those low expectations

1075
01:05:58,519 --> 01:06:01,960
you can advance and win and and then move on

1076
01:06:02,119 --> 01:06:05,639
to the next thing and have low expectations there. Uh,

1077
01:06:05,719 --> 01:06:07,519
and and and so that's that's more or less how

1078
01:06:07,559 --> 01:06:12,000
I look at it. It's it's not it's not simply

1079
01:06:12,079 --> 01:06:15,679
enough because like, realistically, what's going to happen in Minnesota,

1080
01:06:16,519 --> 01:06:20,440
there will be you know, probably a few hundred Somalis

1081
01:06:20,480 --> 01:06:24,679
that will go to prison. Whatever ones they can you know,

1082
01:06:25,000 --> 01:06:29,760
denaturalize and deport that they will do that. So maybe

1083
01:06:29,760 --> 01:06:33,800
maybe overall, like ten thousand Somalis will go back and

1084
01:06:34,079 --> 01:06:38,039
there won't be any significant DFL figures that will be

1085
01:06:38,159 --> 01:06:40,599
charged and arrested because like I think a lot of

1086
01:06:40,639 --> 01:06:45,119
people think, like, uh, Tim Walls has like all of

1087
01:06:45,119 --> 01:06:47,719
these text messages on his phone from all of these Somalis,

1088
01:06:47,840 --> 01:06:51,960
and and like implicating him in the scheme, and it's like, well,

1089
01:06:52,199 --> 01:06:55,920
like he is really stupid, but he's not that stupid, right, Uh,

1090
01:06:56,480 --> 01:06:59,239
Like all the things that happen, there are half a

1091
01:06:59,280 --> 01:07:04,679
dozen intermediate areas between the Quality Leering Center and Tim Walls. Right,

1092
01:07:04,880 --> 01:07:11,320
so if like even even the dumbest of politicians are

1093
01:07:11,360 --> 01:07:14,639
not going to be implicated, you know, in something like

1094
01:07:14,679 --> 01:07:22,000
this so easily, but nevertheless, right, like you do end

1095
01:07:22,079 --> 01:07:24,639
up taking these pieces off the board. They aren't able

1096
01:07:24,639 --> 01:07:29,159
to do this stuff anymore. You start, you start prosecuting

1097
01:07:30,639 --> 01:07:34,079
the election laws that are in violation, that are in

1098
01:07:34,119 --> 01:07:37,800
like obvious violation of federal law. I mean stuff that

1099
01:07:37,800 --> 01:07:41,880
that Trump's doj should have been doing in his first term.

1100
01:07:42,239 --> 01:07:46,760
You're finally actually doing now. And and it's like because

1101
01:07:46,920 --> 01:07:49,719
you can do it because like you have the political

1102
01:07:49,800 --> 01:07:52,679
capital and the attention that has been brought to the issue.

1103
01:07:52,920 --> 01:07:55,239
Right if you had tried to do it in say

1104
01:07:55,280 --> 01:07:59,119
like twenty eighteen or something, Yeah, it probably wouldn't have

1105
01:07:59,119 --> 01:08:02,639
gone anywhere. Right. People think that like these things happen

1106
01:08:02,719 --> 01:08:08,239
independent of of like public opinion, but they don't like

1107
01:08:08,320 --> 01:08:10,840
like the public has to get like there's when there's

1108
01:08:10,880 --> 01:08:14,400
intense pressure on judges and like the spotlight is on them,

1109
01:08:14,519 --> 01:08:17,279
they can't do they can't do what they normally would do,

1110
01:08:17,319 --> 01:08:20,680
which is just like throwcases out and and and not

1111
01:08:20,800 --> 01:08:23,000
deal with it. Like that's that's normally that That's what

1112
01:08:23,039 --> 01:08:24,600
I mean. You look at twenty twenty, that's what happened.

1113
01:08:24,640 --> 01:08:27,119
Like he's not able to sue because they don't give

1114
01:08:27,159 --> 01:08:31,159
him standing on any of these election laws before the election.

1115
01:08:32,119 --> 01:08:33,880
And it's like the president of the United States can't

1116
01:08:33,880 --> 01:08:37,880
have standing, Like it's it's over, it's not, nothing's gonna happen.

1117
01:08:39,479 --> 01:08:42,600
But whereas you bring in enough public attention to it

1118
01:08:42,600 --> 01:08:45,159
and there's pressure and and they're they they're a little

1119
01:08:45,199 --> 01:08:48,640
bit scared and the spotlights on them, then they start,

1120
01:08:48,920 --> 01:08:51,359
you know, ruling in a little bit more fair ways

1121
01:08:51,960 --> 01:08:56,399
all of a sudden and so like. But all of

1122
01:08:56,399 --> 01:09:00,359
this is it's like just small incremental things. It's there's

1123
01:09:00,399 --> 01:09:04,800
not going to be these like big, grandiose things that happen, right.

1124
01:09:06,159 --> 01:09:10,560
I think anyone who like thinks that it's it's wishful thinking, Like, yeah,

1125
01:09:10,880 --> 01:09:13,920
I'd love to see Tim Walls in a jumpsuit, but

1126
01:09:15,359 --> 01:09:18,880
in an orange jumpsuit, not you know, any kind of

1127
01:09:18,960 --> 01:09:22,039
random one but but like, I'd love to see him

1128
01:09:22,079 --> 01:09:26,159
hold away, man, that'd be great. But it's uh, that

1129
01:09:26,239 --> 01:09:30,800
stuff is kind of high in the sky. And I

1130
01:09:30,840 --> 01:09:33,920
do have a running bet with Cija Engele. He he

1131
01:09:34,000 --> 01:09:37,119
believes that ilhan Omar and this is like CJ, who

1132
01:09:37,159 --> 01:09:42,560
is notoriously pessimistic about everything. Right, he believes that ilhan

1133
01:09:42,640 --> 01:09:46,600
Omar will be denaturalized and deported to Somalia in the

1134
01:09:46,680 --> 01:09:49,800
year twenty twenty six. Right, so we've got I'm against

1135
01:09:49,880 --> 01:09:52,159
gambling and betting, totally against it. But I made this

1136
01:09:52,199 --> 01:09:55,279
exception because he was just gonna give me one hundred

1137
01:09:55,279 --> 01:10:02,079
dollars because it's not gonna happen. But uh, there was

1138
01:10:02,079 --> 01:10:03,920
like a clip of Trump on Air Force one or

1139
01:10:03,960 --> 01:10:07,760
whatever that some reporter took and he's like, yeah, yeah,

1140
01:10:07,840 --> 01:10:10,439
ill Noma, we got it. We got a deporter. She's

1141
01:10:10,479 --> 01:10:11,279
got to get deported.

1142
01:10:11,680 --> 01:10:12,000
Speaker 1: Uh.

1143
01:10:12,039 --> 01:10:15,359
Speaker 2: And so maybe maybe maybe I'm gonna be out, I

1144
01:10:15,359 --> 01:10:17,960
don't know, but uh no, I don't. I don't think big,

1145
01:10:18,000 --> 01:10:21,560
grandiose stuff's gonna happen. I think that it'll be small,

1146
01:10:21,720 --> 01:10:25,960
marginal things. And and if I'm you know, just being

1147
01:10:25,960 --> 01:10:29,239
a realist about politics and not this pie in the

1148
01:10:29,279 --> 01:10:34,479
sky idolist. Uh, I'm cool with that, right, I want

1149
01:10:34,560 --> 01:10:37,239
I mean it because it's better than nothing. Right, And

1150
01:10:37,880 --> 01:10:40,840
you have to stack these small, little incremental wins like

1151
01:10:40,920 --> 01:10:43,680
this is what the left has been good at for decades,

1152
01:10:44,439 --> 01:10:47,000
is you stack a little incremental win, but you're not

1153
01:10:47,079 --> 01:10:50,680
satisfied with it, but you're happy that you get the win,

1154
01:10:50,920 --> 01:10:53,039
a teeny tiny little win, and then you move on

1155
01:10:53,079 --> 01:10:55,760
to the next one. Right. That has to be That

1156
01:10:55,800 --> 01:10:57,960
has to be the attitude of the right. Right, if

1157
01:10:58,000 --> 01:11:01,119
we're actually going to begin fighting and taking things back,

1158
01:11:02,000 --> 01:11:05,640
it has to be. Yes, we we expend tons of

1159
01:11:05,880 --> 01:11:10,439
energy and capital and resources and attention on a tiny,

1160
01:11:10,479 --> 01:11:13,199
little incremental win, and then we move on to the

1161
01:11:13,239 --> 01:11:16,960
next one. Right, Like we're not satisfied except for total victory,

1162
01:11:18,119 --> 01:11:21,840
but like the little winds do matter because they add

1163
01:11:21,920 --> 01:11:24,920
up over time. And that's that's what I think is

1164
01:11:24,920 --> 01:11:28,399
going to happen here. So I'm not I'm not like

1165
01:11:28,479 --> 01:11:31,159
so depressed that I'm like, Oh, Minnesota is lost forever

1166
01:11:31,279 --> 01:11:32,319
and it's it's terrible.

1167
01:11:33,000 --> 01:11:33,119
Speaker 1: Uh.

1168
01:11:34,479 --> 01:11:36,840
Speaker 2: I think good things will happen, but it will take

1169
01:11:36,880 --> 01:11:41,199
a lot of patience and time too, every and I

1170
01:11:41,359 --> 01:11:42,640
might not even live to see it.

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Speaker 1: Who knows Andrew, we're fast coming up on time, dude.

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Speaker 2: I am on on x dot com at boniface option

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and and also on on substanc like you with the

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same handle at boniface option, so they can find me.

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They can find me there, and yeah, I guess, and

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and of course on on YouTube and all the other

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places with with CJ doing contramundum and you know, talking

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about you know, political stuff but also political theology and

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theology proper. That is uh yeah, that that we record

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every Wednesday and Friday usually that's our schedules. So that's

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that's what we do.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, we'll be sure to check that out, y'all. Show

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is great. I don't catch it as much as I'd

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like to, but every time I do, it's always the

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same thought, which is why have I missed the last

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two episodes? This is great, so be sure to check

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that out. I'll make sure it's in the description. As

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far as my stuff, Jay Burdens Show, Apple, Spotify, YouTube. Look,

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this is what I do now. This show is supported

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five viewers like you one way or another, either you

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watch ads or you can pay me. And it's like

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five bucks a month twenty some cents an episode, which

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is not half bad. For the episodes early and ad free,

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you get on Patreon, Substack, or gum road to check

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those out if you're interested, or our sponsor, Axios Remote

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Fitness Coaching. Andrew, thanks so much, man, it's great having you.

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Speaker 2: Thanks, thanks for having me.

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Speaker 1: Everyone home, keep your head up. I can't last forever.

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Good night,