Speaker 1: Oh, well, thats are.
Speaker 2: Hello and welcome to the show. This is the Cult
Speaker 2: of Conspiracy and my name is Jonathan, I'm Jake, and
Speaker 2: today we have two very awesome guests, Tanya and Cody
Speaker 2: from Acid for Squares Podcast. Welcome to the SHO show.
Speaker 3: What's Oh?
Speaker 4: I'm glad that my camera's not the only one that
Speaker 4: does that. Whenever I do a thumbs up Mike, because
Speaker 4: I'm using my phone as my camera, the thumbs up
Speaker 4: will sometimes pop up. I can't make shit happen like that.
Speaker 4: It doesn't accidentally when I don't want it to.
Speaker 3: It's at what's happening. We just think the universe is
Speaker 3: telling us we're doing a good job.
Speaker 4: Stick with that.
Speaker 2: Stick with that. That works. Yeah, well, look, I love
Speaker 2: your guys' show. I've been kind of following your content
Speaker 2: here for a little while, and I love the topics
Speaker 2: that you guys uh talk about and some of the
Speaker 2: guests that you guys get on. We were talking a
Speaker 2: little bit before about how you had Darryl Lanka aka
Speaker 2: bshar on the show. I'm not gonna lie. I've been
Speaker 2: following him for quite a long time and one of
Speaker 2: my favorite people to listen to, but then he had
Speaker 2: to dip his toes into politics, and I said, no,
Speaker 2: why are you doing this, Daryl, Why do you got
Speaker 2: to do this to me? But but I'm sure that's
Speaker 2: that's not all who he is. That's just one thing
Speaker 2: that people are pointing out. So just out of curiosity, like,
Speaker 2: how was your conversation with the almighty Darrel a longa.
Speaker 5: Yeah, I mean Darryl. First of all, we've been following
Speaker 5: him forever as well, so we we love Bashar's teachings.
Speaker 5: I think we think he's absolutely incredible. We do wish though,
Speaker 5: that we would have asked him because it was right
Speaker 5: after that had just happened, right after you know, Bishar
Speaker 5: had said something about politics and so, which usually isn't
Speaker 5: touched upon. So it was the first time that we
Speaker 5: kind of wish that we would have asked the question.
Speaker 3: Yeah, we avoided it because it's so divisive. Everyone's so
Speaker 3: polarized and picking teams and shit, like you can't have
Speaker 3: a conversation about anything without politically without people freaking out.
Speaker 3: We wish we have some friends that are like good,
Speaker 3: You're like, come on, man, like you gotta you have
Speaker 3: him on. But yeah, I mean we followed him forever.
Speaker 3: He's become a friend of ours at this point, we
Speaker 3: you know, and we feel like he's one of the cleanest,
Speaker 3: purest channels that we've ever come across. And yeah, I
Speaker 3: mean like we that interview was was was amazing. It
Speaker 3: was amazing to do the interview, and we have other
Speaker 3: stuff planned for him. We're working with the neuroscientists at
Speaker 3: UCLA to do a show where we like hook him
Speaker 3: up to brain brain scans and read his brain waves
Speaker 3: to see if we can prove or disprove him. We
Speaker 3: believe him, and we've already seen some scientific evidence on
Speaker 3: his documentary First Contact.
Speaker 5: Have you seen your First Contact?
Speaker 2: I seen him his brain or his head get hooked
Speaker 2: up to like an EG kind of thing, and it
Speaker 2: it was proving that he was going into I believe,
Speaker 2: the gamma state of mind, which is what allows you know,
Speaker 2: allegedly channeled information to come through you, Like if you're
Speaker 2: going to channel, typically you slide into gamma.
Speaker 4: And that the dream state that you're getting people into
Speaker 4: whenever you're doing hypnosis.
Speaker 5: I think it's basically he was. He does a thing
Speaker 5: like it says that he let his personality area of
Speaker 5: his brain completely leaves when that happens. Yeah, so that
Speaker 5: is the channeling state though, because it's not you, it's
Speaker 5: just kind of your opening yourself up to be able
Speaker 5: to speak, you know, have somebody speak through you.
Speaker 3: Yeah. But yeah, also that like also he's going more
Speaker 3: into that altered state of consciousness. I think the neuroscientist
Speaker 3: he works with in that doc says that he's essentially
Speaker 3: what his brain becomes when he goes into the channel
Speaker 3: state is like that of a monk that's been in
Speaker 3: a cave for thirty years. So he's going into a
Speaker 3: you know, super consciousness. Yeah, I mean, and the interview itself,
Speaker 3: it was we followed him for so long. It was
Speaker 3: a lot of a lot of stuff we've heard before,
Speaker 3: but what we got to talk about was a little
Speaker 3: bit of like we've had channeled experiences where we've gone
Speaker 3: into like altered states of consciousness where we've channeled, and
Speaker 3: we got to like pick his brain on some experiences
Speaker 3: we've had and things that have happened to us, which
Speaker 3: was fascinating, you know, because we a lot of times
Speaker 3: we don't have the language or the understanding of what's
Speaker 3: going on, and even a lot of our teachers don't
Speaker 3: go into those states of consciousness. So our like shamanic teachers,
Speaker 3: we do a lot of shamanic work with like indigenous
Speaker 3: plant medicines. So yeah, like he got to like walk
Speaker 3: us through sort of like explain like what the the
Speaker 3: contact experiences we've had were, what like you know, the
Speaker 3: hand movements since sort of this like GOBBLYOK language which
Speaker 3: turns out to be like light language, which and these
Speaker 3: are all like precursors to channeling. So yeah, we got
Speaker 3: to like go into that, which was fascinating, and yeah,
Speaker 3: it was fucking mind blowing.
Speaker 2: Really, dude, that is just so crazy to me how
Speaker 2: people are able to do that. And I'm somebody like
Speaker 2: so I I did the the Dolores Cannon School of
Speaker 2: QHHT and so I'm like, I'm a past life regressionist,
Speaker 2: so I you know, I'm I'm constantly giving people sessions.
Speaker 2: As a matter of fact, Like on my my I
Speaker 2: have another podcast called Meta Mysteries, and it's strictly for
Speaker 2: the metaphysics, the psychic world, the channeling, the past life regressions,
Speaker 2: all that that's my jam, Like that is my lane,
Speaker 2: which is kind of why I love you guys so much.
Speaker 2: Because that's you know, very similar in that kind of way.
Speaker 2: But you know, I know that Dolores Canon, whenever she
Speaker 2: was talking about it, she you know, during her time,
Speaker 2: it was understood that there was four like brain wave
Speaker 2: kind of things going on with beta, alpha, theta in delta.
Speaker 2: And then some people started introducing, at least within the
Speaker 2: hypnosis realm gamma, which I believe, if I'm not mistaken,
Speaker 2: gamma is said to be a little bit deeper in
Speaker 2: trance than even theta is all right, So as far
Speaker 2: as I understand gamma goes is that basically it is
Speaker 2: it is like the state a little bit deeper than theta,
Speaker 2: which is what I try and get people to to
Speaker 2: go into that that that mind frame whenever I hypnotize
Speaker 2: them to be able to kind of witness what there
Speaker 2: were or who they were in a past life and
Speaker 2: get those kind of messages and understand that life so
Speaker 2: they don't have to repeat those same mistakes in this
Speaker 2: one and and and all that kind of jazz. And
Speaker 2: that's something that I learned from Dolores Cannon's course, and
Speaker 2: I mean just so fascinating. That was one of the
Speaker 2: main things that I got into, like Ray whenever I
Speaker 2: started the Cult of Conspiracy, I had I had a
Speaker 2: guest on from Australia. His name is John mcclucky, and
Speaker 2: he was somebody that was into Khachen and I kept
Speaker 2: on wanting to have him on the show. I had
Speaker 2: him on like three or four times in like the
Speaker 2: first fifty episodes. I was just fascinated by everything to
Speaker 2: do with this guy and that work and all that
Speaker 2: kind of stuff. And then eventually he was just like,
Speaker 2: you know, like you're you keep on wanting to talk
Speaker 2: about this. Why don't you just like go do the schooling.
Speaker 2: And I was like, oh, I don't know, because I was,
Speaker 2: you know, getting ready to go to real estate school,
Speaker 2: and and I was trying to be a normal, functioning
Speaker 2: person of society or what I thought was normal, and
Speaker 2: the idea of oh I'm going to be a past
Speaker 2: life regressionist. Wait, I toild my parents hear about this, know,
Speaker 2: But eventually he was just like, dude, if that's what
Speaker 2: you like want to do, then just go with it.
Speaker 2: And I was like, it really is that simple, isn't it.
Speaker 2: So I did it, and I loved it, and I
Speaker 2: still give the sessions every so often. So yeah, I mean,
Speaker 2: it's it's a hell of a time, dude.
Speaker 5: Have you done it to Jacob yet?
Speaker 3: I have?
Speaker 4: Yeah, the past life regression I had was actually really interesting.
Speaker 4: So and I'm not I'm not somebody who necessarily believes
Speaker 4: in reincarnation. I don't disagree with it. I just it
Speaker 4: doesn't fit neatly into my brain as far as that goes.
Speaker 4: But not detracting from people who do believe of that type,
Speaker 4: whatever the case may be. The past life regression that
Speaker 4: I had was kind of interesting in that. So if
Speaker 4: you couldn't tell by the shit around me, I'm really
Speaker 4: into medieval history and history as a whole. I do
Speaker 4: boohurt fighting, which is like full armor cage fights with
Speaker 4: like swords and shields and actions and shit like this.
Speaker 4: This is a long swort that I use as a
Speaker 4: matter of fact, and so it's fun shit, right. So
Speaker 4: I'm into that stuff anyway. So when this past life
Speaker 4: regression happened to me. In this experience, I was an
Speaker 4: Arab dude. I don't know what religion he claimed, but
Speaker 4: I was there during what I would assume to be
Speaker 4: the First Crusades, and I guesstimated that based off of
Speaker 4: the armor that I was wearing in a battle that
Speaker 4: took place, and it's not like I was some high
Speaker 4: ranking general or anything like that. Basically, after the battle
Speaker 4: of it all, I became a traveling nomad just kind
Speaker 4: of meandered place to place on foot. I didn't have
Speaker 4: wife or children. I died penniless and alone, but satisfied
Speaker 4: and happy. And so with that being said, I still
Speaker 4: am not one hundred percent convinced if this is what
Speaker 4: happens when Jacob's brain goes off the leash and kind
Speaker 4: of meanders around and this was my imagination kind of
Speaker 4: on free mode, and this is what spit itself out,
Speaker 4: or if this was in fact a pass life progression.
Speaker 4: So I do want to do another one to compare
Speaker 4: notes and see how it goes. But a lot of
Speaker 4: the experience that Jonathan had, these people that do a
Speaker 4: pass life regression with Jonathan, they're so varied, they're so
Speaker 4: all over the place. Sometimes it's a body list ethereal figure.
Speaker 4: Sometimes it is a life from the Middle Ages. Sometimes
Speaker 4: it's a life from World War two. I mean, it
Speaker 4: goes and runs the gam But now very few people
Speaker 4: are like I was Joan of Arc, like you know
Speaker 4: what I mean, like it's not like that whatsoever. I think, Jonathan,
Speaker 4: you said you had a few people that said that
Speaker 4: they were somebody of note, But for the most part,
Speaker 4: it's been pretty normal as far as that's concerned.
Speaker 2: So I've had like two hundred and fifty three hundred
Speaker 2: sessions or something like that. Like it's it's not like
Speaker 2: a full time thing by any means. It's more of
Speaker 2: just like a curiosity that I've had. And but but
Speaker 2: most of the people, yeah, I mean, most of the
Speaker 2: people are not somebody that you would remember from history necessarily.
Speaker 2: I mean you think about it, like, can you name
Speaker 2: three people from the year seven hundred? You know, like
Speaker 2: you're just probably not going to think of that in
Speaker 2: that way, right, And so you know, most people they
Speaker 2: will have some kind of wild thing happened, but it's
Speaker 2: not necessary history noteworthy. You know, it might just be
Speaker 2: something that they experienced in that life and they're bringing
Speaker 2: it back to try and help them in this life.
Speaker 2: And that's really the whole point of it. And then
Speaker 2: you know, uh, Dolora she called it QHHT because it
Speaker 2: was a quantum healing hypnosis therapy and she believed that Look,
Speaker 2: she believes that we can make our If we can
Speaker 2: make ourselves sick through nervousness and anxiety and depression and
Speaker 2: all that kind of stuff, then we obviously would have
Speaker 2: the same kind of power for the good. And she
Speaker 2: believed that you could literally heal yourself in times like
Speaker 2: in this state of mind now, if you're calling upon
Speaker 2: angels or your guides, or maybe it's just your higher
Speaker 2: self that is fixing you up. Either way, whatever is
Speaker 2: going on, it has happened, dude, And I haven't experienced
Speaker 2: anything like Dolores would talk about how somebody would have
Speaker 2: like crazy scoliosis or something like that, right, and she
Speaker 2: would literally in the session see the person's backs draightened out,
Speaker 2: and they never had any kind of scoliosi's problems at
Speaker 2: all anymore. Ever, again, and many of people have documented
Speaker 2: that kind of stuff. I haven't gone like to something
Speaker 2: that drastic yet, I'm open to it. But people have
Speaker 2: gotten over like a lot of things that they're anxious
Speaker 2: about and things that make them sick. And just because
Speaker 2: it's all attached to what she claims to your past
Speaker 2: lives and your past karma and things like that.
Speaker 3: So, I mean, this is so fascinating because literally today's episode,
Speaker 3: the episode that dropped today of the Acid for Squares
Speaker 3: podcast is Sarah Cosme and she's the new Dolores Cannon.
Speaker 3: She does her method and she's a master hypnotist and
Speaker 3: she's essentially the you know, she's that next wave like
Speaker 3: doctor Brian Weiss then Dolores Cannon really in the popular culture,
Speaker 3: like do you know who Sarah Cosma is?
Speaker 2: We Actually that was one of my first guests. Also
Speaker 2: that John mcclucky referred me to have her on the
Speaker 2: show as soon as she got done writing her first
Speaker 2: book that she had wrote, which I think was The
Speaker 2: Hypnotist Journey to Atlantis, and then she ended up writing
Speaker 2: another book, Hypnotist Journey to the Sphinx I think is
Speaker 2: what it was. But she is awesome, dude. Yeah, I
Speaker 2: mean was.
Speaker 4: She studying under Dolores or am I thinking to someone else?
Speaker 4: Because I know Dolores Canon's daughter kind of took the
Speaker 4: ball and rang with it, but did in this other
Speaker 4: chick she was also a study of Dolores.
Speaker 3: Yeah?
Speaker 2: Yeah, yeah, she is.
Speaker 3: Yeah, I mean like we can go kind of like
Speaker 3: I think we both cut our teeth with you know,
Speaker 3: regression therapy. We're both like scientific materialist types that like
Speaker 3: got you know, swept into quantum physics and our own
Speaker 3: personal experiences, and here we are.
Speaker 5: I want to say, so, I had the craziest experience
Speaker 5: with a past life regression, and it was so strange
Speaker 5: because I was literally in the body. All of a sudden,
Speaker 5: I popped up and I was floating on an inner
Speaker 5: tube in the water, and I was like a little baby,
Speaker 5: like a very fat like kid there's probably three years old,
Speaker 5: and I knew that I was a boy, and I
Speaker 5: could see people on the shore. And then all of
Speaker 5: a sudden, it and I knew that the people taking
Speaker 5: care of me were not my parents, but they were
Speaker 5: like handlers, and so I didn't really have access to
Speaker 5: my family. And then all of a sudden, it went
Speaker 5: to like another point in that life where I started
Speaker 5: getting really angry and started becoming this like evil dude
Speaker 5: that was just like murder and murder, like definitely that
Speaker 5: sort of like stuff you went behind you, Jacob, and
Speaker 5: I was just like just so much anger, and I
Speaker 5: was like in the body of this guy. And then
Speaker 5: the last bit it fast forward to the moment I died,
Speaker 5: and it was like snowing and I was walking across
Speaker 5: these rocks and I was lost from my you know,
Speaker 5: my nights or whoever I was fighting with, and this
Speaker 5: person came and just stabbed me and I died on
Speaker 5: the rocks. I was just bleeding out, being like what
Speaker 5: if I done with my life? And then but it
Speaker 5: was so realistic. It was it felt like I was
Speaker 5: actually remembering something. I'm like, this is very, very weird,
Speaker 5: because I wouldn't expect myself to go into some guy
Speaker 5: that's like trying to murder people.
Speaker 2: Yeah, yeah, it is crazy because and that's the thing
Speaker 2: with a lot of these past life aggressions, some of
Speaker 2: them are a little bit similar as to, you know,
Speaker 2: maybe it's something that you're interested in. And like Jacob
Speaker 2: with with the night fighting, and I asked him, I'm like,
Speaker 2: all right, well you can you can assume that what
Speaker 2: you're experiencing, you know, in a past life, Well, that's
Speaker 2: it's just because that's what you like in this life
Speaker 2: and that's what you're interested in. But then but then
Speaker 2: you got to ask the question, is what you're interested
Speaker 2: in this life because of that past life? It's like
Speaker 2: what came first of the chicken or the egg kind
Speaker 2: of deal.
Speaker 4: You know, and I'm Disney, a kid in King Arthur's
Speaker 4: court that that kind of made an excellent impact on
Speaker 4: me as a child, and I was like, jousting is
Speaker 4: obviously what needs to happen. Then a nice tale came out,
Speaker 4: and I'm like, this is me, This is obviously me.
Speaker 4: But even still, like I wish I knew more about
Speaker 4: the experiences that I lived through in that past life.
Speaker 4: I assume it was around the time of the first
Speaker 4: Cruse Sads based off of the type of armor I
Speaker 4: was wearing. And the only reason that I would know
Speaker 4: that is because I'm into armor, and shit right, somebody
Speaker 4: else seeing that would just assume something Middle Ages. But
Speaker 4: that's like a you know, eight hundred year gap of time.
Speaker 4: There's I knew it was somewhere on a waterfront, you know,
Speaker 4: because at the end of this battle, I don't remember
Speaker 4: the particulars of the battle. I remember walking to the beach,
Speaker 4: and apparently I fought with the Europeans because I was
Speaker 4: alongside of them. We all walked to the beach and
Speaker 4: just kind of sat in the sand and just kind
Speaker 4: of rested for a minute, and I remember feeling like
Speaker 4: we shouldn't have won that whatever the case was. Whatever
Speaker 4: the battle was, like, we should all be dead right now,
Speaker 4: and we all, without speaking it all knew that fact
Speaker 4: and we were just kind of having a moment to
Speaker 4: like realize that we just avoided death. And then cut too.
Speaker 4: I'm walking up to a goat herder's tribe, and you know,
Speaker 4: it's a farm of types. It's in the middle of
Speaker 4: the desert, so it wasn't like there was verdant fields
Speaker 4: or anything, but there was these little mud huts and
Speaker 4: this woman is cooking forest and like the head dude
Speaker 4: of it all, he welcomes me with open arms and
Speaker 4: I eat dinner with them. Then I cut to the
Speaker 4: scene when I die, old man laying in a bed,
Speaker 4: and I whatever I had in my pockets, whatever money
Speaker 4: I had left, I paid this girl. I say, girl, young,
Speaker 4: young lady, I should say to kind of tend to
Speaker 4: me until I died, and like, once I died, that
Speaker 4: was it, and I just kind of drifted off. And
Speaker 4: I remember thinking I had no wife, I had no children,
Speaker 4: but I also was at peace with that, and like
Speaker 4: I had made my journey in this world just kind
Speaker 4: of going place to place on foot and being a nomad,
Speaker 4: and that was that was I was satisfied with this.
Speaker 4: It was very interesting, and you still don't believe in this,
Speaker 4: So I'm not saying that I don't believe percent. Look
Speaker 4: what happened, I don't know anyway. For you, anybody listening
Speaker 4: right now, you need to come check us out on
Speaker 4: patrons so you can see what the hell is going
Speaker 4: on with these cameras. But but uh, it don't necessarily
Speaker 4: that I don't believe in reincarnation. I just don't see
Speaker 4: a point in it. And that's that's for my own
Speaker 4: and that's not even a full a fully true statement either.
Speaker 4: So backstory to me, I'm a bit of a Christian,
Speaker 4: not a very good representation of one. I get it.
Speaker 4: Fuck off with the judgment, but whatever, Right, It's the
Speaker 4: way I've always seen it is, we got this one
Speaker 4: life to do what we need to do, and then
Speaker 4: this is like a pass or fail event. We will
Speaker 4: be judged at the end of this. It's like a test.
Speaker 4: You can fail this test, right. But that being said,
Speaker 4: that doesn't mean that there's zero possibility of the higher power,
Speaker 4: the God, the universe, whoever you might call it, sending
Speaker 4: you back down for another round because you didn't learn
Speaker 4: what you were supposed to learn. I get that, and
Speaker 4: I don't discredit that completely. It just I don't necessarily
Speaker 4: buy into that myself. God, But that's what I'm saying.
Speaker 4: I want to do another past life to compare notes
Speaker 4: and see, like, Okay, this other past life was oddly
Speaker 4: enough some other shit that I'm super interested in, or
Speaker 4: is it something way off kilt that's out of left field.
Speaker 4: I'm interested for sure.
Speaker 3: Look, that makes some my sense like that it doesn't
Speaker 3: completely align with your religion, So that makes sense. Why
Speaker 3: you know, you got to tread with caution. I think
Speaker 3: the you know, I can't remember is there are some
Speaker 3: of the non canonical text do they for Christianity? Do
Speaker 3: they talk about I don't know. There is.
Speaker 4: There is some mention of reincarnation quote unquote if we
Speaker 4: want to, we're painting with a broad brush whenever we
Speaker 4: do that. But like for instance, Dude, in the Bible,
Speaker 4: I can't recall the entire story here, but basically they say, oh,
Speaker 4: are you the prophet Elijah like basically reincarnated or they
Speaker 4: were saying, are you is your spirit inhabited by that
Speaker 4: of elijahs So it kind of bs with reincarnation but
Speaker 4: not fully. And that's what I'm saying. It doesn't. I mean,
Speaker 4: there has been Christians that fully Christians of note from
Speaker 4: the past that fully believe in reincarnation. Then there's some
Speaker 4: that say that's completely heretical. I'm not so cut and
Speaker 4: dry with it. I think I used to be. These days,
Speaker 4: it's more or less, uh, I just I guess it's
Speaker 4: very much case by case and it's all up to
Speaker 4: the Higher power. And I'm not saying that, well, God,
Speaker 4: you know, is the only one and like, yeah, he'll
Speaker 4: decide if somebody's gonna get reincarnated or not.
Speaker 3: It's all anyway exactly, you know. It's, if anything, we're
Speaker 3: just figuring out if our interpretations present or past where
Speaker 3: one hundred percent accurate, and the likelihood is probably not.
Speaker 3: We don't know. All of us are just still figuring
Speaker 3: it out. Like we have X and teachers and people
Speaker 3: we can go studies, whatever we can go off of.
Speaker 3: But it's still it's like it's a mystery, you know.
Speaker 3: The I think the most interesting, like allopathic that the
Speaker 3: most interesting doctor to look in reincarnation his names doctor
Speaker 3: Ian Stevenson, Jonathan.
Speaker 5: Do you know him?
Speaker 2: I've I may know him if I saw, let me
Speaker 2: try and see if I can find a picture of him.
Speaker 2: I'm better with faces, okay.
Speaker 3: So essentially I don't know his face looks like essentially
Speaker 3: this cat right, So parapsychology is this like completely repressed
Speaker 3: you know, arm of science right right though of the
Speaker 3: sciences or whatever. So because it's considered pseudoscience because it
Speaker 3: blurs the lines between the church and the laboratory I guess,
Speaker 3: and the psychologist's office. But doctor Ian Stevenson what he
Speaker 3: would do is he essentially so there's people who remember
Speaker 3: their past lives. Like let's say they have like an axe,
Speaker 3: you know. I'll tell you one specific story. There's a
Speaker 3: person who remembers being like executed, shot in the head
Speaker 3: in a past life. So doctor am Stephen said to
Speaker 3: hear about this, he would travel to go find them
Speaker 3: and interview them. These people would typically have what they
Speaker 3: call a death mark, which is a birthmark where the
Speaker 3: where the death was that they remember, and then he
Speaker 3: would go find the person they claimed they were, get
Speaker 3: permits to dig up their grave perform autopsies on their
Speaker 3: the deceased person they said they were to see if
Speaker 3: the wounds of the autopsy aligned with their death mark,
Speaker 3: and in this specific case, with the person that was
Speaker 3: shot in the head, he goes and he does an
Speaker 3: autopsy on the body and he sees there's an exit
Speaker 3: wound from the bullet. And he flies back, right, and
Speaker 3: this is a while ago, right, so he's this man
Speaker 3: spending money. It's not so easy to communicate. He flies
Speaker 3: back to see the person remembers his past life and
Speaker 3: he says, hey, do you have another death mark, a
Speaker 3: birthmark on the back of your head. And he's like, yeah,
Speaker 3: sure enough, he had the exit one in the back
Speaker 3: of his head. And wow, this guy has a legion
Speaker 3: of these reports. He spent his whole life doing it.
Speaker 5: There's also the story of this like little girl. I
Speaker 5: wish I remembered her name, but she was probably like
Speaker 5: five years old or something like that, and she said
Speaker 5: she remembered her family. She would talk about her husband
Speaker 5: and like all this stuff. The family actually went it
Speaker 5: was in another country, went to the other country, which
Speaker 5: I believe was like in India or Asia something like that,
Speaker 5: somewhere in Asia, right, And they went back there and
Speaker 5: the little girl like met with the family. She knew
Speaker 5: her husband, she called him by a name and started
Speaker 5: naming everyone in the family. And they have like footage
Speaker 5: of this happening.
Speaker 2: Oh that's true.
Speaker 3: Yeah, yeah, there's these there's communities or tribes or different
Speaker 3: cultures around the world that reincarnation is a part of
Speaker 3: their orthodoxy. Even indigenous tribes. They look out for the
Speaker 3: death marks, and if they have a death mark that
Speaker 3: aligns with an ancestor who had passed, they'll just give
Speaker 3: them that name. So there's there's another story. This one
Speaker 3: actually I think was covered in the mainstream press. It's
Speaker 3: about like eight years eight years ago. So what they
Speaker 3: do is is they pretty much as soon as the
Speaker 3: kid can talk, they start asking them questions, start being
Speaker 3: like what's uh, you know, you know, if they remember anything.
Speaker 3: And in this specific instance, this girl, I guess, she
Speaker 3: says who she is, She walks the elders of the
Speaker 3: village to her house. She says that names her neighbor
Speaker 3: and says he killed me like with whatever weapon I'm
Speaker 3: buried under there and the weapons over there. They find
Speaker 3: the body, find the weapon, arrest the neighbor straight up.
Speaker 3: Whoa yeah, dude, this shit goes fucking deep. There's a lot.
Speaker 3: But then the question starts to be like, you know, why.
Speaker 4: Right, dude, Why that is that's the maist question of life? Right?
Speaker 4: Why are any of us here in the first fucking place?
Speaker 4: I agree you, Yeah, I was.
Speaker 2: Just looking up this Ian Stevenson. It is that he
Speaker 2: was a professor of psychiatry at the University of Virginia
Speaker 2: School of Medicine and the founder of the Division of
Speaker 2: Perceptual Studies. He studied cases of children who claim to
Speaker 2: remember past lives and wrote several books on reincarnation, near
Speaker 2: death studies, and medical history. How how have I not
Speaker 2: gotten into this guy?
Speaker 4: Like this sounds like all kinds of your cup of Joe, bro.
Speaker 2: That sounds like a meta episode to me for sure, dude,
Speaker 2: I full on believe in that kind of stuff, and
Speaker 2: like the idea of So there's this website called NDERF
Speaker 2: dot org and it's Near Death Experiences Research Foundation, And
Speaker 2: it was like this guy, I can't remember what his
Speaker 2: name was, but he was he was, like, I guess,
Speaker 2: some kind of doctor in the medical field, and kept
Speaker 2: on hearing about these stories of you know, as soon
Speaker 2: as people are getting ready to die, they talk about
Speaker 2: the ancestors being at the bed or or somebody who
Speaker 2: you know, just got rushed to the hospital and they
Speaker 2: were out for a little while, and they come back
Speaker 2: with this like crazy expl of what happened while they
Speaker 2: were you know, lights out, you know, and just fascinating stories.
Speaker 2: I mean, these these stories are being documented by the thousands,
Speaker 2: and I mean, how do you explain that? You know, like,
Speaker 2: what do you do with that? But then you have
Speaker 2: other people that you know, they the lights go out
Speaker 2: and they don't remember anything, nothing happened. It was just blackness.
Speaker 2: I went nowhere. I'm still there's nothing else that they got.
Speaker 2: And so I think it might be, you know, something
Speaker 2: on a case by case basis. Maybe maybe some people
Speaker 2: just you know, like there are people, for example, I
Speaker 2: dream every single night. Jacob never dreams, right, and so
Speaker 2: maybe I would be more prone to having an NDE,
Speaker 2: whereas Jacob would be like, oh, it's just lights out,
Speaker 2: you know? Is it? Is it like that?
Speaker 4: I mean I got my boy, my boy win right
Speaker 4: out on the West coast, he got I see what
Speaker 4: I'm saying that randomly does this shit anyway? He uh,
Speaker 4: he got blown up in Afghanistan and he was pronounced
Speaker 4: dead six different times between Afghanistan and the hospital in Germany.
Speaker 4: When he woke up, he saw nothing. He said, it
Speaker 4: just went black, just went cold. Now he is Vietnamese, right,
Speaker 4: so I mean he has there's a lot of different
Speaker 4: religious and spiritual cultures that go into that that I
Speaker 4: don't want to say family tree, but you know what
Speaker 4: I'm saying, like hereditarily, yeah, And he said that there
Speaker 4: was nothing on the other end. But then again, it's
Speaker 4: like that could easily be dismissed by saying, oh, well,
Speaker 4: that just wasn't your time. He's like, I died six
Speaker 4: fucking times. How are you telling me it wasn't my time?
Speaker 5: Man?
Speaker 3: All right, we have some thoughts on this. So, like
Speaker 3: a lot outside of the work we do, like, look,
Speaker 3: we're directors and you know, we have our podcast, and
Speaker 3: but we're like medicine people, so we hold ceremonies and
Speaker 3: it's very draining, so not all the time, but and
Speaker 3: predominantly what we do is we help people go to
Speaker 3: the other side. And it's fascinating because it seems so
Speaker 3: obviously the other side they're in control of this thing.
Speaker 3: They are running the show, they are running the game,
Speaker 3: so whatever this is, they're on the other side, and
Speaker 3: there is so much love they have for us. They
Speaker 3: are like right here, and you know, whether it's your ancestors, angels,
Speaker 3: whatever you want to call them, they're right here. And
Speaker 3: all you got to do is ask for their help
Speaker 3: and they won't violate your free will because that goes
Speaker 3: against like certain laws, spiritual laws. If you ask for help,
Speaker 3: they're there. So one of those fascinating things about this
Speaker 3: is that state of consciousness is very much like a
Speaker 3: dream state, and a lot of these on the other
Speaker 3: side they know that the experience of this absolute reality
Speaker 3: or whatever it is the real reality can be such
Speaker 3: a mind fuck you won't be able to function. So
Speaker 3: we have people all the time that get like men
Speaker 3: in black like boom, like nothing. They've done it to us.
Speaker 3: I mean, Tony, you can tell a funny story about
Speaker 3: like they Most of our experiences going to the other side,
Speaker 3: we can't even remember.
Speaker 5: There's literally the funniest thing. So one time I went
Speaker 5: into an Iahwasca ceremony and I'm I'm typically really really
Speaker 5: good at remembering like everything, and I sit there and
Speaker 5: I write like thirty something pages my ceremony, like can
Speaker 5: the candle? Yeah? But so I had just gone into
Speaker 5: my first cup and all of a sudden something happens
Speaker 5: and I'm like, oh my god, I forgot about this part,
Speaker 5: and all of a sudden, all these little voices go
Speaker 5: for this part, and I was like, oh my god,
Speaker 5: because they kind of like poke fun at you. It's
Speaker 5: like what we've experienced it a lot of people have,
Speaker 5: is that these like spirits or whatever on the other
Speaker 5: side like kind of like make fun of you. It's
Speaker 5: kind of like step taking yourself.
Speaker 3: So seriously, yeah, it's they're very much try to break
Speaker 3: you down or whatever your ego, whatever this identity is.
Speaker 4: To That's the ayahuasca ilves, ain't it.
Speaker 3: Uh yeah, I mean yeah, I mean it's the weird
Speaker 3: thing is is it's like, well, there's different things. Have
Speaker 3: you worked with Ayawaska or anything like that.
Speaker 4: No, I've I've delved into some psychedelics, not ayahuasca yet.
Speaker 4: I would like to. I would like to try peyote
Speaker 4: at some point. I would like to try salvia at
Speaker 4: some point.
Speaker 3: But again, it's it's it's sound touchdown.
Speaker 4: Really Oh yeah, I don't know.
Speaker 3: All this is not created equally, and there's this and
Speaker 3: you can see it with a lot of other movements
Speaker 3: that becomes sort of this like cultural renaissance around anything,
Speaker 3: and everyone's kind of any any adjacent thing starts jumping
Speaker 3: on and being like yeah, Like ketamine is an example.
Speaker 3: Like ketamines not even psychedelic. It's a dissociative. It's a
Speaker 3: you know, it's a cat. You know, it's a sedative. Uh,
Speaker 3: you know, the and the important.
Speaker 5: Thing for therapy though, if somebody's talking to you and
Speaker 5: walking you through stuff.
Speaker 3: People have different things, like you know, there is ayahuasca,
Speaker 3: psilocybin and san pego like watchuma. There's vilca, which is
Speaker 3: like a d MT like plant, but like the plants
Speaker 3: and like those ones like get kind of stick to those.
Speaker 3: We have not worked with ebogar ibgame. I'm sure it's
Speaker 3: it's in there. I begin's just insane. It's twenty four hours.
Speaker 4: What oh yeah, you can know miss me with that shit.
Speaker 2: Good God, A dude, I don't even like mushroom, Like
Speaker 2: mushrooms will last six or seven hours. I'm like, this
Speaker 2: is too damn long. Like people talk about like certain
Speaker 2: acid trips that they're tripping for like a full day
Speaker 2: or a couple of days. I'm like, no way, Like,
Speaker 2: give me a little bit of the you know, some
Speaker 2: DMT I'll take five minutes of it. That's what I
Speaker 2: can handle, you know.
Speaker 3: Yeah, it's no jokes.
Speaker 5: That's for people that are like highly addicted, like somebody
Speaker 5: that's a heroin addict or something like that. They free
Speaker 5: boga and then they are like, I'm gonna kill myself
Speaker 5: if I you know what I mean, if I don't
Speaker 5: do something to change my life because I'm so addicted
Speaker 5: to this thing. So they go and they work with
Speaker 5: this medicine and they it will clean them out, like
Speaker 5: they will not be using like right after.
Speaker 3: Yeah, it'll be the most experience of your life with.
Speaker 5: No come down either, which is wild.
Speaker 3: Yeah, this is the main medicine that veterans are turning to.
Speaker 4: I've heard of a lot of veterans going to these
Speaker 4: Aahuascar retreats to help them with their PTSD, and I
Speaker 4: mean there were juries still out. Don't get me wrong.
Speaker 4: The VA is finally starting to acknowledge psychedelic treatment as
Speaker 4: an option. It's not they haven't thrown their whole weight
Speaker 4: behind it yet, but at least they're willing to come
Speaker 4: and have the conversation about it now. But uh, varying
Speaker 4: degrees of success. Most I would say I think it's
Speaker 4: like eighty percent go through one of these retreats and
Speaker 4: come out on the other side of it with positive
Speaker 4: you know, stories about it. All. Mine wasn't. My first
Speaker 4: experience of psychedelics had nothing to do with PTSD. It
Speaker 4: was pure curiosity. I was dating a Nordic pagan chick
Speaker 4: at the time, right, and there I was at an
Speaker 4: embolics festival and you know, big fire festival, and it
Speaker 4: was a good old time. And I was at the
Speaker 4: time also in a line of work where I got
Speaker 4: piss tested pretty regularly. So as they're passing around weed
Speaker 4: and hash and all that, I can't partake. But the
Speaker 4: shaman of the group pulls out a big five gallon
Speaker 4: baggie full of shrooms and I'm like, hold on, mister shaman, man,
Speaker 4: those don't pop on a piss test too. They He's like, no,
Speaker 4: they do not. I'm like, all right, hit me, let's go.
Speaker 4: And I had no idea what dosaging was or how
Speaker 4: a small versus a large dose would hit me. Come
Speaker 4: to find out how a really fucking high tolerance for psychedelics.
Speaker 4: And it takes a lot to get me there. But
Speaker 4: once I get there, I'm fucking there.
Speaker 3: But Uh.
Speaker 4: Yeah. It took like two caps, and I was already
Speaker 4: kind of drinking at that point, and then I just
Speaker 4: kind of felt drunk er. About an hour layer I'm like,
Speaker 4: all right, hit me again, dude. So he gave me
Speaker 4: two more and I just felt drunk er er. Then
Speaker 4: I asked for another one said this is about three
Speaker 4: hours later. Three doses, and I just feel like really drunk,
Speaker 4: but nothing as far as psychedelics or nothing. Now, I'm like, look,
Speaker 4: I'm not trying to question your credentials, shaman, but this
Speaker 4: is kind of this is kind of ass. He's like,
Speaker 4: all right, priest. They kept calling me Prieste because I
Speaker 4: was the only Christian of the crew. He's like, here,
Speaker 4: grab what you want. So I took one of my
Speaker 4: big ass pawfuls of these, uh and it was just
Speaker 4: the regular mushrooms, nothing really crazy on this one, and
Speaker 4: just chowed that down and chugged a bottle of meat
Speaker 4: behind it, and boy, oh boy, when that hit, it
Speaker 4: took a minute. It took a good minute. Some colors
Speaker 4: started to get a little more vibrant, the feelings started
Speaker 4: to go a little different. Keep in mind, there's a
Speaker 4: drum circle going on with a big ass bonfire. They
Speaker 4: got wickens over here, they got druids over here, they
Speaker 4: got some sort of want to be like gypsy crew
Speaker 4: over here, and I'm showing with the Nordics, and like,
Speaker 4: you know, everybody's out there doing they own embolic thing, right.
Speaker 4: And I will say ten out of ten recommend as
Speaker 4: far as first time doing psychedelics, it should be at
Speaker 4: a pagan drum circle festival. That that just was awesome
Speaker 4: and long story short, I opened my eyes and I'm
Speaker 4: able to see nothing but golden clockwork and gears and
Speaker 4: cogs and everything is moving perfectly unisoned with each other.
Speaker 4: And I'm like, okay, so that's the point, the good
Speaker 4: and the bad of this world. It all has to
Speaker 4: mesh together because this doesn't fucking work without it. And
Speaker 4: that lasted. I felt like hours and hours and hours,
Speaker 4: probably about four hours of that type of good times
Speaker 4: and uh yeah, no come down the next day or anything.
Speaker 4: But I mean, I guess being the first time out
Speaker 4: the gate, maybe I wouldn't have experienced because I don't
Speaker 4: get hangovers, so you know, whatever, there's no hangover the.
Speaker 3: Fact that the fact that it did give you a
Speaker 3: hangover and then it healed the hangover from the alcohol.
Speaker 3: So that's like a that's you know, yeah, that's that's
Speaker 3: and that's so that's what we say because we were
Speaker 3: called acid for squares, But I mean we're pretty sober.
Speaker 3: We don't drink like we do, you know. We we
Speaker 3: only work with plant medicines on occasion when we need to.
Speaker 3: Uh the I mean this year, we're trying to have
Speaker 3: a kid, so we're doing nothing, nothing, nothing there you go,
Speaker 3: but uh the yeah, we always say, you know, what's
Speaker 3: a medicine or a drug based on if there's a hangover.
Speaker 3: So that's it. So like even like that's why, like
Speaker 3: even like LSD or MDMA, like we don't really fuck
Speaker 3: with because it because there's some sort of come down.
Speaker 3: All psychedelics have a little bit of an afterglow, but
Speaker 3: eventually there's a come down with the synthetics, so we don't.
Speaker 4: I would like to try LSD one day, but the
Speaker 4: problem I feel like we missed our window on that
Speaker 4: because well, I mean just for the curiosity of it,
Speaker 4: just to try ASCID for the first time, right, But
Speaker 4: the problem is I can't trust a source to not
Speaker 4: cut it with fentanyl or some other kind of chemical
Speaker 4: and I'm not gonna risk my life for an experience
Speaker 4: of a good time. It's just not worth it to me.
Speaker 4: But I feel like if I would have fucked around
Speaker 4: with it, like fifteen years ago, I might have gotten
Speaker 4: my hands on some good X and like these things
Speaker 4: it's just cute dressing.
Speaker 2: I feel the same way, dude. I tried what somebody
Speaker 2: told me was Mollie one time, and I was like, okay,
Speaker 2: I'll try it. I never tried it before, and which
Speaker 2: I had always thought that Mollie was just you know,
Speaker 2: the code name for like pure MDMA, which is you
Speaker 2: know what they give to like for like couples counseling,
Speaker 2: or they used to anyway, And so I was like,
Speaker 2: all right, I'll try it. I didn't know that after
Speaker 2: twenty minutes after partaking, I was speeding my ass off,
Speaker 2: and I was like, what am I supposed to be
Speaker 2: speeding right now? Like I feel like I just took
Speaker 2: like five adderalls, what the hell's going on? Come to
Speaker 2: find out it was laced with fucking meth. And I'm like,
Speaker 2: of course it was, because I can't trust any of
Speaker 2: these things, and so never did it again, and I'm like, nope,
Speaker 2: I will stick to as you like to say, the plants.
Speaker 2: You know, I like some like to partake in a
Speaker 2: little Mary Jane, some mushrooms from time time to time.
Speaker 2: We have a buddy that creates this one kind of
Speaker 2: psychedelic It's called.
Speaker 4: Ah four aco DMT.
Speaker 2: Four acho DMT. But it's supposed to be like a
Speaker 2: like a I can't remember the exact terminology, but it's
Speaker 2: basically four echo DMT. They say that it's kind of
Speaker 2: like a mesh between mushrooms and DMT together and designer drug.
Speaker 2: That's the word I was searching for. But and that
Speaker 2: is fascinating. I mean it is like, so I ended up.
Speaker 2: I did that before I ever tried DMT, and then
Speaker 2: I tried DMT, and I was like, oh, DMT is
Speaker 2: a whole nother level. And but the four echo DMT
Speaker 2: it is still awesome because it lasts for like three
Speaker 2: or four hours and you know, when you close your
Speaker 2: eyes and you go inside, depending on the dosage, it
Speaker 2: is like a DMT trip. Like it it's similar. It's
Speaker 2: not as extreme as DMT is, but you still are
Speaker 2: able to see like the g oh, you know, like
Speaker 2: this this weird world that is very geocentric and you know,
Speaker 2: you can learn a lot about yourself and go inward
Speaker 2: and I don't know, it's it is fascinating. As a
Speaker 2: matter of fact. The first time I did that, I
Speaker 2: was with our friend Christy and we were at her
Speaker 2: because our shop used to be in a crystal studio.
Speaker 2: She owned this crystal shop and me and her did
Speaker 2: it the first time, and it was like twenty minutes
Speaker 2: in as soon as it hit us, and we were
Speaker 2: just laying on the floor next to each other and
Speaker 2: we had like the like the cool lights and music
Speaker 2: and shit going and I just looked over at her
Speaker 2: and I said, this is so awesome. I'm already excited
Speaker 2: to do this again next time, Like I couldn't wait.
Speaker 2: Like it was so fascinating, so other, out of this world,
Speaker 2: and you know, you just feel like, I don't know,
Speaker 2: it's so strange because you think that you're seeing it
Speaker 2: for the first time, but yet it still feels familiar,
Speaker 2: you know, and there's something wild about that.
Speaker 5: I love it though, And this was DMT right.
Speaker 2: That was the forour ago DMT. The DMT I tried
Speaker 2: for the first time back in October, and I did
Speaker 2: it twice. The first time was went really well. I
Speaker 2: felt like it didn't last very long, and I feel
Speaker 2: like maybe I needed to do more. I don't know
Speaker 2: what gave me that idea.
Speaker 4: And so it last longer because like in reality, you
Speaker 4: even felt even in the DMT state, I was there.
Speaker 4: I remember every bit of this, and I was not
Speaker 4: in a very good mental place. So I did not
Speaker 4: partake because I'm not about to step off into the
Speaker 4: unknown when I'm already clouded with other shit, you know
Speaker 4: what I mean. That's just me. But so he it
Speaker 4: lasted like three minutes. Even in the DMT realm, he
Speaker 4: felt like it only lasted three minutes. So my boy
Speaker 4: decided to go ahead and double dose.
Speaker 2: And yeah, so I ended up doing double the amount
Speaker 2: that I did the first time. And it was absolutely
Speaker 2: world chattering, like I died, like I ceased to exist
Speaker 2: in this entire world, ceased to exist. And I felt like,
Speaker 2: oh my god, what did I just do? Because I'm
Speaker 2: so outgoing and I want to be that guy wants
Speaker 2: to double up on DMT and try and show off
Speaker 2: and try and be this character, and they're and bang,
Speaker 2: my reality is completely gone now because I just wanted
Speaker 2: to be a little extra today and it was. It
Speaker 2: made me go so internally and it was so wild, dude,
Speaker 2: because you know, like I literally forgot that I was
Speaker 2: a part of this world. I was in this other
Speaker 2: world and that's the only place I existed, and everything
Speaker 2: else I didn't even think about, Like I didn't even
Speaker 2: know that I was still on the couch, you know,
Speaker 2: like because they I mean, you are literally like the
Speaker 2: blast off is real, like and that is holy shit.
Speaker 2: Like I felt like the come up was so exciting,
Speaker 2: and you're like, oh my god, this is the best
Speaker 2: feeling I've ever had. It's like a million orgasms all
Speaker 2: at the same time, except for it's happening all over
Speaker 2: your body and it is just the most incredible feeling ever.
Speaker 2: And you're like, I'm home, baby, take me, I'm ready,
Speaker 2: and and like it's the best feeling. And then at
Speaker 2: a certain point it got to be too awesome and
Speaker 2: too and too amazing to where it started making me
Speaker 2: question everything, and I was like, oh god, I'm losing
Speaker 2: control of this. I don't have control, Like I'm no
Speaker 2: longer in control, and I was freaking out. And then
Speaker 2: out of nowhere, bang I'm inside of a Bucky's bathroom
Speaker 2: and just like standing like I'm peeing at a urnal
Speaker 2: in this trip. I don't know why, but I'm peeing
Speaker 2: at a jurnal and I'm like, how did I get here?
Speaker 2: And I'm just looking around and everybody's just acting like normal. Nothing,
Speaker 2: It's just another day in a Bucki's bathroom. And before
Speaker 2: you know it, I started to lose even more control,
Speaker 2: and every single part of my reality was dicing itself
Speaker 2: like a cheese grater, and it started going into cubes,
Speaker 2: and those cubes started changing and everything about my perspective
Speaker 2: was all over the place, and I was really tripping
Speaker 2: out because I lost control, and I was like, I'm
Speaker 2: never gonna be able to put this back over here,
Speaker 2: and I can't put it back over here, and this
Speaker 2: reality is going to be gone forever. And the more
Speaker 2: I stressed out, the more I tried to grasp for control,
Speaker 2: the less control I had. And then as those as
Speaker 2: those squares were changing up on me in my perspective,
Speaker 2: they started getting smaller and smaller and smaller until they
Speaker 2: turn into dust and they started to float away. And
Speaker 2: as they're floating away, I'm like, I am the most
Speaker 2: depressed that I've ever been, Like I could not believe
Speaker 2: that I just made this decision and everybody that I
Speaker 2: have ever met is gone, and I'm and it's all
Speaker 2: because of me. And and I eventually got to this
Speaker 2: point where I was in the void. There was no
Speaker 2: more BUCkies anymore. I'm I'm standing in total blackness. And
Speaker 2: it really scared the shit out of me, Like it
Speaker 2: was the most horrific nightmare of a nightmare that I've
Speaker 2: ever had until I was able to decipher and learn
Speaker 2: and and you know, the days went on and I
Speaker 2: was like, oh, okay, well it actually wasn't I mean,
Speaker 2: I didn't die, you know, like it might have seemed
Speaker 2: like I went to Hell or you know, or to
Speaker 2: the void or whatever, but still I was there as
Speaker 2: the awareness to observe where I was. And so I'm like,
Speaker 2: oh my god, so I'm not dying that like I'm
Speaker 2: still existing, like this place has to still be here.
Speaker 2: So it gave me a little bit of hope. And
Speaker 2: I was like, well, I wonder where everybody else is at,
Speaker 2: you know, talking about Jacob and everybody else that was
Speaker 2: in the room while we were doing the DMT or
Speaker 2: because we took turns with it, and I started to
Speaker 2: open up my eyes and I was still feeling very
Speaker 2: depressed at this time. I started open up my eyes
Speaker 2: a little bit and I could see everybody still sitting
Speaker 2: around me and just sitting there and staring at me,
Speaker 2: and I'm like, oh man, this isn't even reality. This
Speaker 2: is just like this is a wish. I want this
Speaker 2: to be true. I know it's not true. I just
Speaker 2: saw reality just go away in front of my eyes,
Speaker 2: and like I woke up. Finally I was able to
Speaker 2: open my eyes and I was finally able to convince
Speaker 2: myself that I was back there in that room, and
Speaker 2: the most shooketh I.
Speaker 4: Was shook it for like a month after that, by
Speaker 4: the way.
Speaker 2: Yeah yeah, And it was, uh, it would do is
Speaker 2: the scariest thing. And I remember saying like I wouldn't
Speaker 2: wish that on the devil Like that experience. I was like,
Speaker 2: there is nobody that ever deserves to go through that.
Speaker 2: But looking back at it, that that experience was way
Speaker 2: more profound than my awesome DMT experience. I was able
Speaker 2: to garner so much more meaning about this reality and
Speaker 2: you know, in my mind and the people around me
Speaker 2: and appreciate everybody around me and everything like so yeah,
Speaker 2: I mean the first time I did it, I was like,
Speaker 2: I'm going to do this every single day. And then
Speaker 2: the second time I did it, which was literally like
Speaker 2: fifteen minutes after that, I said, maybe not every day.
Speaker 4: You know, you said, don't never touch the shit again,
Speaker 4: at least in the moment you said that. Yeah.
Speaker 5: So the thing is with so with DMT, with your experience.
Speaker 5: The thing is is that so working with DMT in
Speaker 5: any form. So ayahuasca is another form of DMT. It's
Speaker 5: just you know, if the sharkronal leaf which produces the
Speaker 5: DMT in the ayahuasca vine, which elongates it into like
Speaker 5: an eight hour experience, it allows you to promise Yeah,
Speaker 5: so it doesn't process so fast to your body. That's
Speaker 5: why your experience is a couple minutes long because DMT
Speaker 5: process is really really fast. So the thing was stepping
Speaker 5: to any sort of DMT is that you're facing death
Speaker 5: to realize death isn't real. So you experience death to
Speaker 5: realize that it's not real. So on the other side,
Speaker 5: you're like, oh my god, I'm dying. But then afterwards
Speaker 5: you're like, wait a second, that felt really real and
Speaker 5: that was really real, but I didn't die, and you
Speaker 5: lose the fear of death. Second, with DMT, if you're
Speaker 5: using it the way that you're working with it, the
Speaker 5: way you did. So they usually say three times is
Speaker 5: when you blast off into and like literally return to God.
Speaker 5: So you're supposed to do it three times fast in
Speaker 5: a row. So the same thing happened to me the
Speaker 5: first time I ever did DMT, because I knew nothing
Speaker 5: about it, And I ended up doing this with two
Speaker 5: of my friends. And the first we all took like
Speaker 5: one hit of this and nothing really happened, and we
Speaker 5: were like, oh, I don't I think we did it wrong.
Speaker 5: So we did a second one, and I was sitting
Speaker 5: on a couch also, and all of a sudden, I
Speaker 5: left my body and I was floating above my body,
Speaker 5: and I looked down and I could literally see my
Speaker 5: body on the couch, and my friends were staring at
Speaker 5: my body on the couch, not staring at me that
Speaker 5: was floating up above it. Then everything turned totally white
Speaker 5: into like this white void, and this line appeared in
Speaker 5: front of me and opened up, and these three ets
Speaker 5: walked towards me and they go, Hi, We're interdimensional beings
Speaker 5: traveling along the timeline of human existence, trying to find
Speaker 5: out when humans found their power. In twenty twelve, a
Speaker 5: portal had opened, which means that humans cannot go backwards,
Speaker 5: they could only progress forward. They were like, you, the
Speaker 5: power of the human lies between the brain and the soul.
Speaker 5: They pointed at the harp and said soul. So they said,
Speaker 5: the powerlighte of the human is between the brain and
Speaker 5: the soul. And they're like, we don't have the same
Speaker 5: makeup as you, so we're really interested in your power
Speaker 5: and who you guys are. And then the line closes.
Speaker 5: It it disappears, and I go back into my body
Speaker 5: and I'm like, there's three etis and the other guys
Speaker 5: had no similar experience. They were like, I don't know
Speaker 5: what was kind of fractally.
Speaker 3: And I want to add I want to add to this.
Speaker 3: The so like the because I love that story so much.
Speaker 2: That's awesome.
Speaker 3: The everything you just explained, I mean, the fact of
Speaker 3: the matter, and this is very much what asked for
Speaker 3: squares is about. Is these are ancient strawmanic tools of
Speaker 3: initiation it to form a communion with God, and that's
Speaker 3: what they are. So they're being essentially so one. They
Speaker 3: were criminalized in the drug war and there's two reasons
Speaker 3: this happened. One one of the first reasons that happened
Speaker 3: in North America was because there was a we were
Speaker 3: warring with the indigenous people of North America and to
Speaker 3: the colonials, there was a lot of superstition around the
Speaker 3: magic of the indigenous people with their witchcraft and witch doctors,
Speaker 3: you know as witch doctors. So one of the things
Speaker 3: they did to gain control over them is they criminalize
Speaker 3: their medicines. So this is one of the reasons. This
Speaker 3: is one of the first reasons why these medicines were
Speaker 3: criminalized and are misunderstood into this day.
Speaker 2: That makes sense.
Speaker 3: Then the next thing that happened, essentially was there was
Speaker 3: a renaissance in the fifth these in the sixties around
Speaker 3: you know, psilocybin LSD. You know, I don't have to
Speaker 3: go into that. You know, this is with like the
Speaker 3: Harvard Psychedelic Club and Terence McKenna and all those those folks.
Speaker 3: So during the Vietnam War and the Vietnam protests, obviously
Speaker 3: we invaded Vietnam under false pretenses as the government likes
Speaker 3: to do, and there were all these protests for peace
Speaker 3: against the war, and this has proven Nixon used drugs
Speaker 3: to shut down the anti war protests, and he criminalized
Speaker 3: them to shut them down. This is just fact. At
Speaker 3: this point, his aids have come out, they've written books
Speaker 3: about this, and this has been criminalized ever since then.
Speaker 3: It's very fascinating. The like the hearings they did when
Speaker 3: they were criminalizing these modalities. They said, there's a line
Speaker 3: in it they said these drugs will deculturate the masses,
Speaker 3: which is exactly what they do. They removed the culture
Speaker 3: from the top. They break down the culture. But the
Speaker 3: point is is now today with the Internet, which this
Speaker 3: goes back to the cult of conspiracy, is we've never
Speaker 3: had access to such so much information and so now
Speaker 3: these ancient tools are being democratized, which we believe that
Speaker 3: essentially these are in the Bible. They're written all about we,
Speaker 3: you know, we believe Christ we might have been working
Speaker 3: with this stuff. You know how, what better way to
Speaker 3: turn water into wine than the put a little uh whatever,
Speaker 3: you know, whatever you're doing. I don't mean to minimize
Speaker 3: any miracles, Jacob, I'm saying this actually in support of
Speaker 3: the miracles. You know, people talk about like the Akesha,
Speaker 3: but the burning of the bush was believed to be
Speaker 3: in Akesha tree, which is produces d MT. Right. So
Speaker 3: the point is, though, is that these are ancient tools
Speaker 3: for communing with God directly. And what these are these
Speaker 3: do is they give you what's known as a shamanic initiation.
Speaker 3: So the way the medicines work is they give you
Speaker 3: what we call the sugarcoat, which is they will give
Speaker 3: you a positive experience at first, because they want you
Speaker 3: to come back and they want you to like the experience. Right,
Speaker 3: it's like, oh, sex feels good, Maybe I'll have a kid.
Speaker 3: And then you're raising a kid.
Speaker 5: You' like what off?
Speaker 3: Fuck? Right? Yeah, So the you know, so the medicines,
Speaker 3: these the plants, not I'm not taught LSD, not kennemine,
Speaker 3: not MDMA. I'm talking about the plant medicines. And we
Speaker 3: can get into why this is. But they they they
Speaker 3: they are very advanced. When you work with them, they're like,
Speaker 3: this is something else. This is not a drug, this
Speaker 3: is some fucking thing.
Speaker 2: It's a technology.
Speaker 3: It seems it's a technology exactly. And and so the
Speaker 3: technology they they they give you a sugarcoat. So the
Speaker 3: first time you're like, yeah, hey, I can do this
Speaker 3: every day, and then comes the work and then comes
Speaker 3: the lesson, the spiritual lesson. So the next time you
Speaker 3: go in, they're like, and now you're gonna die. Now
Speaker 3: we're gonna take you through the help, through through your psyche.
Speaker 3: Now you're gonna stare, be dragged through your shadow and
Speaker 3: then you have to put yourself back together again. But
Speaker 3: the problem is is that because it's been brought, it's
Speaker 3: been demonized as a drug. It's also been processed in
Speaker 3: the cultural consciousness as something we do when we party
Speaker 3: or recreational or to have fun, to avoid maybe to
Speaker 3: get away from our worries. That's not how they work.
Speaker 3: And the crazy thing about it is that the technologies
Speaker 3: will call them are so smart, they're not gonna they
Speaker 3: don't want to like ruin your life and make you
Speaker 3: die at a party where you're gonna go fucking crazy
Speaker 3: and resist and take off your clothes and be arrested.
Speaker 3: So like, there's tools that if you bring to it,
Speaker 3: like being in a safe set and setting eating a
Speaker 3: certain way, doing things in a certain way, you will
Speaker 3: be able to go into deeper states and more controlled states.
Speaker 5: It's setting an intention also, it's set setting intention and
Speaker 5: dose and quality.
Speaker 4: I guess yeah, I agree. If you're taking psychedelics to
Speaker 4: be a party drug. You're just wrong, Like right off
Speaker 4: the rim, this is the incorrect way to do this.
Speaker 4: This is and I mean even with my beliefs and
Speaker 4: my experiences with psychedelics, which is minimal, I might add,
Speaker 4: but I mean I did microdose for like six months
Speaker 4: and that got off of drinking, So I mean that
Speaker 4: I've had very positive experiences with them as well. But
Speaker 4: at the same time, it's like, this is not I
Speaker 4: same way you are saying it's like a technology. I
Speaker 4: see it as like a tool. Okay, Now you can
Speaker 4: improperly use a tool and fuck your whole world up,
Speaker 4: or you can use it the correct way, with the
Speaker 4: correct intention and you can gain very good things from it.
Speaker 4: I see it as the same thing. And there's also
Speaker 4: very much a case of overdoing it, right. I'm not
Speaker 4: saying o ding, but like you can go too far
Speaker 4: with it just because like Jonathan you, I would say
Speaker 4: overdid it with the DMT, because you were trying to
Speaker 4: push boundaries, which is very normal for humans to do.
Speaker 4: We as creatures want to push boundaries actually a nature.
Speaker 2: Looking back, I think that that was exactly what was
Speaker 2: supposed to happen, you know, like I don't look back
Speaker 2: and say, oh, I overdid it anymore. In the moment, sure,
Speaker 2: I was definitely thinking that. I was like, what the
Speaker 2: fuck did I just do with my mind? You know,
Speaker 2: But you know, coming out of that and all these
Speaker 2: months to you know, look back and rem miss and
Speaker 2: trying to decipher it a little bit like it was
Speaker 2: essential to my life moving forward, like it was not
Speaker 2: out of step at all, right.
Speaker 3: Totally, And you know, these are warrior medicines. The first
Speaker 3: time I worked with DMT was in the jungle. I
Speaker 3: was snorting it out of a four thousand year old
Speaker 3: human finger bone, and the amazon was called the Ceremony
Speaker 3: of Life, Death and Rebirth.
Speaker 4: And this is already wild as fuck, no matter what
Speaker 4: you're about to say next, Good god, bro, you know,
Speaker 4: out of a human fingerbone, that is awesome.
Speaker 3: You have no idea how hardcore, like I mean we are.
Speaker 3: This This shit is insane, I mean insane. And it
Speaker 3: took so much for us to be public about this stuff.
Speaker 3: It took years and years of us processing and integrating
Speaker 3: me be like, all right, like time to talk about
Speaker 3: fight club. Uh so, but okay, so do this ceremonies.
Speaker 3: The first time. It's called the Ceremony of Life, Death
Speaker 3: and Rebirth. And I'm in the Amazon and one of
Speaker 3: the things that shaman says is he pulls out the
Speaker 3: finger bone and the vilka, the DMT it's planting. He says,
Speaker 3: this tool is from this religious order in the Amazon,
Speaker 3: and says, this ceremony you're about to do is was
Speaker 3: reserved for the highest priests in this order as their
Speaker 3: initiation into the highest priesthood. And you're about to get
Speaker 3: to do this. And we we you know, we do
Speaker 3: the ceremony and it's a beautiful ceremony. But the point
Speaker 3: is is to say, like that is what you just did.
Speaker 3: It's warrior medicine. Like this stuff. The most brutal experiences
Speaker 3: of our entire lives are these ceremonies. Yet we're out
Speaker 3: here going, hey, let's let's up. The truth is it's
Speaker 3: like a form. It's like spiritual waterboarding, I mean, but
Speaker 3: simultaneously having this hellish experience that will heal you and
Speaker 3: we can go into the healings. We literally have physical
Speaker 3: animals healed, We've got brain scans, We've taken our families
Speaker 3: to the medicine I'm a straight edged mother, like like
Speaker 3: it's we we we put this ship to the test.
Speaker 3: But it's warriors medicine. If you're willing to go there,
Speaker 3: you can go there. And it's not just for you.
Speaker 3: By breaking, by using your consciousness to stretch the collective
Speaker 3: field of consciousness, you are essentially spiritually evolving the entire species.
Speaker 3: You're essentially evolving the ancestral genetic line of the species.
Speaker 3: So you're essentially saying, Okay, I'm doing this shit, like
Speaker 3: let's go. But the problem is is people usually don't
Speaker 3: prep for integration, like you know, like you're gonna have
Speaker 3: a couple of months and it needs to be like
Speaker 3: there's so much you can do.
Speaker 5: From diet to rest to journaling.
Speaker 3: I mean, one of our teachers, Ky, we had him
Speaker 3: on the show. He says, this is a threefold path.
Speaker 3: It's medicine, meditation, therapy. He says, you need those three
Speaker 3: and if you do not, He's like, then it's pretty
Speaker 3: much not gonna be able to integrate the tools.
Speaker 5: You know.
Speaker 3: I just want to speak to that because I know
Speaker 3: it's like, yeah.
Speaker 2: Yeah, that is so yeah. I fully agree about like
Speaker 2: it also helping to expand the re of human consciousness
Speaker 2: and it's not really that crazy. Whenever you hear terms
Speaker 2: like what is it like the hundredth monkey syndrome like
Speaker 2: that kind of thing, Like one monkey experience is something
Speaker 2: and it carries on and somehow it's written within their
Speaker 2: DNA and now that's just their reality. It's like why
Speaker 2: do all dogs smell each other's asses? You know, Like
Speaker 2: why is it that certain animals do certain things right
Speaker 2: out the womb? They didn't have to be taught that.
Speaker 2: That's just what they do.
Speaker 4: You know.
Speaker 2: And I think it just like traveled on through the
Speaker 2: lineage of previous dogs experience somehow. And yeah, I vibe
Speaker 2: with the idea that it could be essentially like building
Speaker 2: like expanding all consciousness. Like I think that that is
Speaker 2: actually probably what's going on right now because this used
Speaker 2: to be such an off topic kind of discussion. You know,
Speaker 2: nobody wanted to talk about people who who did any
Speaker 2: kind of psychedelics and if you did, oh, that's your
Speaker 2: crazy ant over there. So you just ate some mushrooms
Speaker 2: or you know, like don't go hang out with them.
Speaker 2: They're into psychedelics, you know, And are my favorites?
Speaker 4: Is that?
Speaker 5: Oh?
Speaker 2: Well, you know, you don't want to hang out with
Speaker 2: those people that who who have melted their brains off
Speaker 2: of acid or something like that, Like they're clearly just
Speaker 2: not of this realm or something like that anymore. They're
Speaker 2: they've gone cuckoo for cocoa puffs. And I'm like, actually,
Speaker 2: kind of yes, but in the best way possible, Like
Speaker 2: that's the kind of people that I want to put
Speaker 2: myself around, because you're not so structured in this reality,
Speaker 2: like you were talking about, it breaks apart cultural everything
Speaker 2: at that point, because and especially even just with even
Speaker 2: outside of psychedelics, like the past life regression stuff I
Speaker 2: was telling you earlier, Dude, people have past life regressions
Speaker 2: of being the opposite sex, of being a different race,
Speaker 2: of being a part of a different religion. And then
Speaker 2: you're like, oh, so the idea of segregation is stupid
Speaker 2: as fuck? Is really what it is? Like anytime you're
Speaker 2: trying to, you know, act like you're high and mighty
Speaker 2: because of your because of your skin color, or your
Speaker 2: cultural beliefs, or your religious beliefs, or whatever the case
Speaker 2: may be, it's like, oh, I used to think the
Speaker 2: same thing back in my past life, whenever I was
Speaker 2: this different religion, this different sex and this different race,
Speaker 2: and here everybody is with these all these culture wars,
Speaker 2: and it's like, you're so silly. Why do you base
Speaker 2: your entire identity on these things. That's not you, that's
Speaker 2: just you in this life.
Speaker 3: Yeah, that's I mean, you just said it right there.
Speaker 3: And like the crazy thing and it's a hard thing
Speaker 3: for us to reconcile is that, you know, people say
Speaker 3: it makes you lose your mind, it makes you lose
Speaker 3: their mind, the programmed mind. But on the other side,
Speaker 3: I mean, we were very did not want to work
Speaker 3: with stuff because we didn't want to lose our minds.
Speaker 3: And then next thing, you know, here we are, here,
Speaker 3: we are I mean, the you know, but the truth
Speaker 3: is is that in a sick society, truth will always
Speaker 3: look like insanity and being a functional enormy, you know,
Speaker 3: being susceptible to mimetics, to mimesis where you're mimicking your
Speaker 3: environment to just to increase your chance of survival. You
Speaker 3: are mimicking a inherently corrupt, decaying, cytick, toxic, deceitful culture.
Speaker 3: And you know. So, I mean, so that's a weird
Speaker 3: thing for us to reconcile because we look around and like,
Speaker 3: we interview a lot of these people that do this work,
Speaker 3: and yeah, they're a little kooky, a little left of center,
Speaker 3: but it's like, well, where you're gonna go. If you're
Speaker 3: not center, you're gonna be a little bit, a little
Speaker 3: bit out there. And that's cause that's where you're heading.
Speaker 3: If you're working on evolving the cultural conscious or your
Speaker 3: individual conscious, you're gonna move away from the cultural orthodoxy.
Speaker 3: And then like the yeah, I mean, the the only
Speaker 3: thing I uh yeah, I guess I just add that
Speaker 3: that's asked for squares like that's become our slug. We
Speaker 3: just say we're all mad here, you know, because since
Speaker 3: it is what it is, you.
Speaker 2: Know, Oh yeah, dude. You know what's funny is is
Speaker 2: that I recently saw like an old clip of whenever
Speaker 2: Alex Jones went on to the Joe Rogan Show. It
Speaker 2: was like four or five years ago, and I you know,
Speaker 2: at the time, I wasn't huge into listening to Joe Rogan, Like,
Speaker 2: I mean, I love Joe Rogan. I mean I think
Speaker 2: it's a great show, all the great guests and everything,
Speaker 2: but like you know, at the time, I was listening
Speaker 2: to other shows. But then every single time that he
Speaker 2: had Alex Jones on or like people like Eddie Bravo.
Speaker 2: I'm like, I'm there, like I want to listen to
Speaker 2: those conversations. And there was this old clip I think
Speaker 2: it was from three four or five years ago something
Speaker 2: like that of Alex Jones going on one of his
Speaker 2: rants as he does, and he's talking about like how
Speaker 2: they know they whoever they are, the elite of the
Speaker 2: world or whatever, they know that like the basis and
Speaker 2: the foundation of this reality is less structural and more
Speaker 2: like a dream, that this is something that like we're
Speaker 2: living in a dream. We think it's reality, and they
Speaker 2: know this and they're manipulating it. And that's how they're
Speaker 2: able to get away with so many things because they
Speaker 2: understand reality as it is, not as we think that
Speaker 2: it is, and it's I was like, holy shit, Alex
Speaker 2: Jones on something right now, and and that's kind of
Speaker 2: like what I've come to too since that, you know,
Speaker 2: I mean, I've I've had multiple psychedelic experiences and they're
Speaker 2: wide ranging and they're awesome, but there was you know,
Speaker 2: I've come to understand that like that's not a figment
Speaker 2: of my imagination. What we experience in psychedelics, that is
Speaker 2: an experience, and the same thing. I look at my
Speaker 2: dreams and nightmares and all these things, meditative experiences, past
Speaker 2: life regressions and all these things their experiences. And I
Speaker 2: got to experience that was I does it take away
Speaker 2: from it because it didn't happen in physical reality. I've
Speaker 2: I've switched my mind to understand that their experience is regardless,
Speaker 2: and they're gonna play into my vision of this reality
Speaker 2: no matter what anyway, so you may as well just
Speaker 2: accept them as part of this reality. And I've just
Speaker 2: come to accept this is I think it is a
Speaker 2: dream here, dude. It makes the most sense that it
Speaker 2: is a dream. Like there are certain things about this
Speaker 2: reality that don't make any sense if it's just a
Speaker 2: physical reality, like you know, and I always talk about
Speaker 2: like metaphysics and you know, the quantum and the double
Speaker 2: slit experiment, like those things prove that this place is
Speaker 2: not what we think it is, you know, And then
Speaker 2: you talk about like you know, wild things like Skinwalker
Speaker 2: Ranch and Bigfoot? Is he interdimensional? And like this is
Speaker 2: this is like a dream reality And I'm I kind
Speaker 2: of like it more now now that I've come to that,
Speaker 2: you know, understanding anyway.
Speaker 5: You are right, Bigfoot is interdimensional.
Speaker 3: I believe it.
Speaker 4: We've heard so many reports on that. Some people believe
Speaker 4: that Bigfoot or Nephelum, some believe that they are angels,
Speaker 4: some believe that they are interdimensional ets by another name.
Speaker 4: It depends on the source. I mean, we've had a
Speaker 4: guy come on the show that claims that he lives
Speaker 4: with them. They of course aren't visible to the human
Speaker 4: eye unless you have eyes to see, and he sees
Speaker 4: them as benevolent, spiritual, almost angelic figures. And he's gone
Speaker 4: on and talked about these things. We've had other people
Speaker 4: say that they tried killing them, so clearly they're nephylimic
Speaker 4: and demonic, and it's you know, hey, I don't know
Speaker 4: how to call reality on either of those.
Speaker 3: Yeah, I mean, this is like probably the central thing
Speaker 3: that we seek to explore and like dissect and to
Speaker 3: kind of tie in what you just said about different
Speaker 3: perceptions of Bigfoot of these other beings. And then also
Speaker 3: you know, this being a dream, like from our perspective
Speaker 3: and the work we've done, it's like, yeah, dude, this
Speaker 3: is a god dream and the illusion is an illusion
Speaker 3: of separation and individuation, and it seems to be the
Speaker 3: source of disease and sickness when we sit in seremony.
Speaker 3: It's the idea of self and that they're disconnected from God.
Speaker 3: But it seems like that God creator Wankatanka Great Mystery
Speaker 3: call whatever you want, seem to love its creation so
Speaker 3: much that it said, you have your free will, you know,
Speaker 3: just like a parent with their child. Go off and
Speaker 3: learn the lesson yourself, and I'm here when you need me.
Speaker 3: And essentially, though we've gotten trapped in this dream and
Speaker 3: this culture that rewards sort of this narcissistic consciousness. And
Speaker 3: then that through spirituality, religion, whatever tools are you, psychedelics,
Speaker 3: you can recreate the whole that is divinity and is God.
Speaker 3: But the fascinating thing is is that all of creation
Speaker 3: is divine. You see it with the medicine. Everything's energy,
Speaker 3: ian's connected to the diet, dark and the light are one.
Speaker 3: All these things, they're all the hand of God grooming
Speaker 3: us and ushering us in this sort of illusory simulation,
Speaker 3: this playground towards the higher truth, so we can learn
Speaker 3: it on our own. But the fascinating thing is it's
Speaker 3: filtered through the prism of the individual. Psyche, God is
Speaker 3: spirit is whatever you want to call it. So we
Speaker 3: have this fascinating phenomenon where we sit there as sort
Speaker 3: of like really they're like you know, we're like, they're
Speaker 3: like spiritual duelas you know, we're helping these people have
Speaker 3: a death experience to commune with God and then come back.
Speaker 3: And we know the tools that our teachers have taught us.
Speaker 3: But the fascinating thing is that spirit comes in whatever
Speaker 3: form of the individual's orthodoxy. If they're Buddhist, they will
Speaker 3: get Buddha and bodhisophic language and symbolism. Right, it's a
Speaker 3: non corporeal world, non physical, it's symbols. So they'll use
Speaker 3: symbols and figures to communicate an energy that their brain
Speaker 3: can understand on like a lower level. Right, So if
Speaker 3: you're Buddhists, don't have Buddhism Christian, they're gonna get Jesus.
Speaker 3: Jesus will come to them. It's crazy, you know. The
Speaker 3: And then if they're if we have okay, we did
Speaker 3: a ceremony where they were non religious, they were a
Speaker 3: nerd and they they gave them Rick and Morty to
Speaker 3: explain Purtle. They're going, let us explain what's happening. This
Speaker 3: is the portal, like Rick and Morty, You're coming through
Speaker 3: a portal.
Speaker 5: Right, First aahuasca ceremony. It was very cartoon because I
Speaker 5: watched a lot of cartoons, so everything was very cartoonish
Speaker 5: and I was like, wow, this is great again.
Speaker 3: Again is a protocol. We spend a lot of time
Speaker 3: deconstructing the protocol so we can understand how healing happens
Speaker 3: and how disease happens. And the deconstruction of the protocol.
Speaker 3: They start cartoon a lot because they they don't want
Speaker 3: to freak you out, so everything's very light. That's their interpretation,
Speaker 3: Like that's they think it whatever, this higher intelligence. That's
Speaker 3: they're gonna treat us like kids, like look, everything's fun
Speaker 3: and zany, right until they deconstruct your reality and put
Speaker 3: you in a fast food chain bathroom is you know right?
Speaker 3: But the point is is that is that it's filtered
Speaker 3: through the prism of the individual. My first ayahuasca ceremony
Speaker 3: and the Amazon the day after you do an integration
Speaker 3: circle is thirty people. About twenty of them are therapists
Speaker 3: researching the medicine, and I'd say about half the people
Speaker 3: there had drawn visions they got of about like fifteen
Speaker 3: foot entities guarding the dog doors of the Molca. Like
Speaker 3: most of the circle saw these meetings, and everyone saw
Speaker 3: them as dark entities except one Canadian therapist. She saw
Speaker 3: them as angelic. And so we said, you know, in
Speaker 3: this circle, to Don Howard, the late Great Don Howard
Speaker 3: rest in peace, we said, hey, everyone had drawn It
Speaker 3: was like, oh my god, oh we saw the same thing, right,
Speaker 3: And he goes, okay, who and she says, wow, well,
Speaker 3: mine's different. I saw it as an angel And Don
Speaker 3: Howard said, you process things depending on the part of
Speaker 3: your psyche the medicine is working on. So you saw
Speaker 3: the same entity, but you all were seeing it demonic
Speaker 3: because you were getting the shadow part of your psyche
Speaker 3: worked on. You saw as angelic because you were getting
Speaker 3: the other side of your psyche worked on.
Speaker 5: There's also this thing with all like working with psychedelics
Speaker 5: or entering this sort of space where you know you're
Speaker 5: merging back with God. So it's this whole thing of
Speaker 5: being like, no, you are God. And so like a
Speaker 5: thought experiment that I like to run is just if
Speaker 5: there's a single source, even if you're thinking of the
Speaker 5: big bang, Right, there's a single source consciousness that's everything
Speaker 5: comes from. So if it is God, which we believe
Speaker 5: like a source consciousness, then after a while it's like, well,
Speaker 5: I want to experience more, so it like fractions itself
Speaker 5: off in order to experience other things. And those little
Speaker 5: fractions forget they are God, because if they remember their God,
Speaker 5: they're not going to be able to experience have their
Speaker 5: own experience because they're like, oh, just God pretending, right.
Speaker 5: So then after those those fractions remember, then they fracture
Speaker 5: off even more, and they keep fractaling and fractaling off
Speaker 5: more and more and more. And I think that where
Speaker 5: we're at. So we're in like the third dimension, right,
Speaker 5: so we're really far away from source consciousness because they
Speaker 5: say that there's like eleven or twelve steps or dimensions
Speaker 5: like back to God. So for us in this really
Speaker 5: really dense pocket of reality right where like duality and
Speaker 5: all this stuff, there's just dark and light and all
Speaker 5: this stuff, and we're so far removed. And then we
Speaker 5: also have social programming for us, these psychedelics are a
Speaker 5: way for us to go this like spark, to be like,
Speaker 5: oh my God, I forgot I forgot that I am sourced,
Speaker 5: just having a different experience, and they are not meant
Speaker 5: to use all the time. They're meant to spark something
Speaker 5: inside of you that then you can then use in
Speaker 5: your three dimensional physical space to start working through and
Speaker 5: finding pieces in your own reality that are not real,
Speaker 5: that are not parts of you that are programmed. And
Speaker 5: then because you know, you know, you've had the experience
Speaker 5: of knowing that you are God having an experience as
Speaker 5: a human, So these these psychedelics everything are just they're
Speaker 5: just a way for us to remember in order to
Speaker 5: use the tools while we're here to be able to
Speaker 5: enlighten ourselves.
Speaker 2: Yeah, I absolutely agree. And I know that there's going
Speaker 2: to be some people out here that are saying, oh,
Speaker 2: these people are calling themselves God. Here we go, right.
Speaker 2: But but and that's something and maybe some people do that.
Speaker 2: Maybe some people are like, I'm a god, you're a god,
Speaker 2: we're all individual gods. Whatever. But I think that you're
Speaker 2: you know, I've heard it explained a certain way, and
Speaker 2: I think that if you can have an open mind
Speaker 2: and try and interpret, you know, what the message is
Speaker 2: trying to be conveyed here is that it's not that
Speaker 2: I'm an individual God and you're an individual God or anything.
Speaker 2: It's that this. You can just look at it as
Speaker 2: if this whole place Earth, or you know, the the
Speaker 2: universe that we live in is God. You know, like
Speaker 2: if you look at it like that and understand that, like,
Speaker 2: oh yeah, I'm not over here worshiping myself. I'm not
Speaker 2: over here thinking I'm high and mighty. I'm thinking, oh wow,
Speaker 2: I'm actually not separate from God, which is what some people,
Speaker 2: you know, and I never really understood that, to be
Speaker 2: honest with you about how some people will you know, well,
Speaker 2: I guess I get it. You know, it's social programming,
Speaker 2: and there's certain beliefs and systems like that. And I'm
Speaker 2: not saying that anybody's right or anybody's wrong. I'm just
Speaker 2: trying to explain this side of it to where you
Speaker 2: know that imagine a world where you're with God all
Speaker 2: the time. You know, everybody, everything, every experience you ever have,
Speaker 2: it is all God, all happening all at once. And
Speaker 2: I like to actually compare it to the dream world,
Speaker 2: for example, So like whenever you go and you go
Speaker 2: to sleep at night, then you have a dream. Did
Speaker 2: God create all of those little individuals in that dream, Like,
Speaker 2: is that the way that your mind works? Or you thinking, oh,
Speaker 2: well that's my mind. I created that. These are all
Speaker 2: just factors of my mind. Well, now bring it back
Speaker 2: to the real world. Who's mind are we in? Like
Speaker 2: this has to be somebody's mind, This has to be
Speaker 2: somebody's dream, has to be somebody's consciousness. And you know,
Speaker 2: you get to experience that a little bit whenever you're
Speaker 2: deep inside of like a meditation. So, like, as I
Speaker 2: said before, I have another podcast called Metamisteries. Last night
Speaker 2: we were researching the Acacak records and there's actually this
Speaker 2: really cool book called How to Read the Akashak Records
Speaker 2: by Linda Howe. It was actually something that was recommended
Speaker 2: by I think her name is Megan from Solar Glow Meditations.
Speaker 2: You ever see her on TikTok. She always has the
Speaker 2: dowsing rods. It's fascinating. But she recommended this book and
Speaker 2: so we started reading it and researching it a little
Speaker 2: bit and trying to dive into it. And then afterward
Speaker 2: we always do a meditation at the end of the show,
Speaker 2: and so we did this one. It was a guided
Speaker 2: meditation to be able to access the Acascak records, and
Speaker 2: we were like, didn't really know what to expect, you know, like,
Speaker 2: am I going to expect experience a library and a
Speaker 2: library in or some kind of guards at the building?
Speaker 2: Is it even going to be a building or whatever? Right,
Speaker 2: you don't really know what to expect going into it.
Speaker 2: And it was wild, dude, Like I had the trippiest
Speaker 2: experience ever, Like I felt like I was on DMT
Speaker 2: in this meditation, and I was able to see that, like, oh,
Speaker 2: what's actually going on right now? And this is just
Speaker 2: my interpretation of whatever was happening. But what I what
Speaker 2: I interpreted is is that this reality is somewhat of
Speaker 2: a dream or maybe in another reality where base level
Speaker 2: reality is. I am imagined that I was actually in
Speaker 2: a deep meditation in another reality and I was dreaming
Speaker 2: of this reality. So I was able to peek in
Speaker 2: on that other reality, and I had like my wife
Speaker 2: and I was I was in like this whole other
Speaker 2: house and she's just sitting there with me. And the
Speaker 2: thing about that reality, to my understanding, was that time
Speaker 2: wasn't a constraint. You didn't have to worry about time,
Speaker 2: so you could go into a meditation. It could last
Speaker 2: five years. Hey, it doesn't matter. Time doesn't matter here.
Speaker 2: Time is not really something that's hold in his back.
Speaker 2: So if you need to meditate for that long, meditate
Speaker 2: that long. And I just imagine, like my wife was
Speaker 2: over there, and she was sitting right there next to
Speaker 2: me because she knew that it was a therapeutic experience
Speaker 2: that I needed to experience. And the idea of going
Speaker 2: into that meditation was to go into this life work
Speaker 2: off karma so that I can go back to that
Speaker 2: life and rick live my like regular reality. And what
Speaker 2: was really strange is is that this is gonna sound
Speaker 2: kind of weird, but in that life, I think that
Speaker 2: I'm like a cat person, which it kind of relays
Speaker 2: back to one of my mushroom trips that I had
Speaker 2: like a couple of years ago, but instead of just
Speaker 2: like a regular like calico or an all black hat
Speaker 2: or something like that, I was like, it kind of
Speaker 2: looked like the cat from Alice in Wonderland, like the
Speaker 2: blue and the purple, but it was like super electric
Speaker 2: and it was like out of this world, vibrance to
Speaker 2: the color of this world and just wild experiences that
Speaker 2: are going on. And I'm like, oh, I feel a
Speaker 2: little bit better about death now. If I get to
Speaker 2: go back to that, that sounds awesome.
Speaker 3: You know, it's amazing, And I want to dude, that's
Speaker 3: so cool, and I want to I want to add
Speaker 3: some things. I think it was so good that you
Speaker 3: called out sort of like the calling yourself god of
Speaker 3: it all, you know, and like because I think, like
Speaker 3: what we're talking, we're all talking about here, and what
Speaker 3: Tanya was saying is like, you know, it's it's like
Speaker 3: if you're a fetus in your mother's belly. It's like
Speaker 3: how that baby is your mother. They're sharing blood, they're connected,
Speaker 3: they're one and the same and the same genetic line.
Speaker 3: You know. That's what we mean. And there's something very
Speaker 3: fascinating going on with like sort of like non denominational
Speaker 3: secular spirituality is there's a certain individualism in narcissism that
Speaker 3: can taint this when really it's about community. This is
Speaker 3: supposed to be about us coming together as one and
Speaker 3: realizing we're not separate and we're not separate from our creator,
Speaker 3: we're not separate from each other. We're you know, but
Speaker 3: this but but like we see this happening some people,
Speaker 3: it's like I'm God because they have an experience of
Speaker 3: merging with the one. But it's like, okay, but we
Speaker 3: still have to you know, yeah, we have to pay bills.
Speaker 5: Yeah, but I also the thing is that I guess
Speaker 5: I like to think of it this way. It's almost
Speaker 5: like a simulation, right, So you know the SIMS game,
Speaker 5: it's like, say, whoever, Like there is the person that
Speaker 5: creates the SIMS who has an alternate reality inside of
Speaker 5: their Yeah, but it still has the person outside of
Speaker 5: the game that is actually but that's a projection of them,
Speaker 5: and they're still playing the game. So it's the same
Speaker 5: thing with the idea of God. It's just a fractioned
Speaker 5: off piece of them, and we all are a fractioned
Speaker 5: off piece of God. Like That's that's how I like
Speaker 5: to think of it. It's almost like a simulation. So
Speaker 5: it's like finding your way back. It's like, oh, yeah,
Speaker 5: there is the person that's still kind of creating this
Speaker 5: experience and you know there.
Speaker 2: All the time, right, And I think that like kind
Speaker 2: of like at the base core level, we are just
Speaker 2: the awareness to these lives. You know, maybe we maybe
Speaker 2: where we feel like in the moment actually making these
Speaker 2: decisions and feeling these feelings and everything like that. But
Speaker 2: I had a really strange experience while reading that book
Speaker 2: last night. I was just reading, like, I'm I'm anytime
Speaker 2: I get to reading, if once I get into groove,
Speaker 2: oh my god, I'm just like I used to be
Speaker 2: a horrible reader. I would stutter all the time, but
Speaker 2: now I've gotten you know, we read so much on
Speaker 2: the shows that I'm like, I'm pretty good at reading
Speaker 2: out loud. It's awesome. But the Acotion Record book that
Speaker 2: I was talking about, ye, and so I was reading
Speaker 2: a little bit of that, and after a while I
Speaker 2: just started to realize that, oh, this body and this
Speaker 2: mind is actually the one that's reading it. And I'm
Speaker 2: just over here having these separate thoughts while I'm reading
Speaker 2: it and understanding it all at the same time. And
Speaker 2: I realized, oh shit, I'm just the awareness that is
Speaker 2: experiencing this life of this body and all these circumstances
Speaker 2: and all these experiences that this person Jonathan is actually
Speaker 2: I thought all all this time that it was me,
Speaker 2: but it's like, oh no, it's just an experience that
Speaker 2: you needed to have, like kind of thing. And it's
Speaker 2: like it was really like really trippy. I love that
Speaker 2: kind of shit though, like I don't know, maybe I'm
Speaker 2: fucking my mind up or whatever, but that's that's kind
Speaker 2: of like, that's kind of like what I experienced.
Speaker 4: But like you said, there is a especially with this.
Speaker 4: I don't want to say new age because that's that's
Speaker 4: not the right definition for this, Like you said earlier, Cody,
Speaker 4: the uh with this non denominational spiritual I guess you
Speaker 4: could say esoteric side of things. You have so many
Speaker 4: people that basically like, yep, I'm a god or I
Speaker 4: am the God and I'm just experiencing this life. And
Speaker 4: it's like, Okay, I get what you're trying to say,
Speaker 4: but people get super narcissistic about it. And it's and
Speaker 4: that's also part of the human condition, right. We want
Speaker 4: to believe ourselves to be so much better than we
Speaker 4: typically are, and you have people that will find that
Speaker 4: as a justification for their narcissistic behavior that they already
Speaker 4: had before they ever delved into it in the first place.
Speaker 3: Right, Right, we had to we've like had to really
Speaker 3: like look in at this because we were seeing this
Speaker 3: in this community. So we had to start saying, like, okay,
Speaker 3: what is this, like why this and what we came
Speaker 3: to is we were like, oh, no, this narcissism is
Speaker 3: in every community. It's people are the common denominator. This
Speaker 3: is a flaw of humanity. If it's expressing itself as
Speaker 3: a professional athlete or a rapper, or a politician or
Speaker 3: a businessman, or or you're a spiritualist.
Speaker 4: It's that's the human condition. Everybody seeks validation, right, Oh
Speaker 4: you're a man, Well, how much of a man are you?
Speaker 4: Oh you're a Christian? How much of a Christian are you?
Speaker 4: Oh you're a spiritualist. Name your thing. You're always going
Speaker 4: to have somebody who's trying to like check you, and
Speaker 4: then you have to like either A you're going to
Speaker 4: be secure in what you know about yourself or B
Speaker 4: you're gonna not and you're going to go off the
Speaker 4: rails to try to prove your dot dot dot enough.
Speaker 4: And it's like, bro, that you just defeated yourself. You
Speaker 4: played yourself.
Speaker 3: Yeah, exactly. And that's like, and Jonathan was saying this earlier,
Speaker 3: like that's what acid for Square stands were it's dissolving
Speaker 3: the box, dissolving cultural orthodoxies and what it means it
Speaker 3: means to and that and that comes from what the
Speaker 3: medicines do. The medicines are deconstructing your physical reality, deconstructing
Speaker 3: the boxes we have so we can have a more
Speaker 3: expanded awareness. And it seems that the boxes, they're either
Speaker 3: culturally given to us or we create them, and either
Speaker 3: they we identify with them, or they create some sort
Speaker 3: of safety or structure or control. But really the truth
Speaker 3: is we're not in control, and there is some sort
Speaker 3: of higher operating system, this higher os we call it,
Speaker 3: you know, spirit, God, what if you want to call it,
Speaker 3: this intelligence, and that really is and surrendering to that
Speaker 3: and trusting it, having faith, that is the pathway to
Speaker 3: an easier life. And it is an antidote to suffering.
Speaker 3: And that's really what we're after here. You know, it
Speaker 3: is a it is a whatever the game is, it's
Speaker 3: a game of faith for sure.
Speaker 5: And also we had this artist is it. We haven't
Speaker 5: got the episode out yet, but Maser, I'm sure you've
Speaker 5: seen his artwork. He's super tripy conscious, just really cool art.
Speaker 5: Rainbow skull Rainbow skulls. Yeah. But so we were talking
Speaker 5: about the idea of so like the Kabalion, which is
Speaker 5: the seven Hermetic principles, and it's talking about how like
Speaker 5: light and dark, hot and cold, like good and bad,
Speaker 5: like they're the same thing, just different ends of the spectrum,
Speaker 5: but you don't really know when one gets and one ends.
Speaker 5: And so it was this idea that the most spiritual
Speaker 5: person and the most atheist person actually of the same
Speaker 5: exact beliefs because on one end they're the most spiritual
Speaker 5: person is like, there's no free will.
Speaker 4: Uh no, he's.
Speaker 5: Yeah, yeah, that's it, that's it. But so on one
Speaker 5: end you have somebody that has no free will, right,
Speaker 5: They're like, everything is planned out, it's God like, this
Speaker 5: is completely planned out. I'm just living the experience. Then
Speaker 5: on the far this atheist side, you have somebody who says, oh,
Speaker 5: it's all like your brain firing in certain ways and
Speaker 5: your body just doing stuff, so there's no free will.
Speaker 5: You're literally just like experiencing your body having these firings
Speaker 5: in your brain and your body. So both of them
Speaker 5: are saying the exact same thing, but they're on polar
Speaker 5: opposite ends of the spectrum, right, So there's this really
Speaker 5: strange thing with our again duality polarity, like in our
Speaker 5: world where there are two things, but they're also talking
Speaker 5: about the same thing right, right.
Speaker 3: I think in politics they call this horseshoe theory that
Speaker 3: if you go into extremism on the left of the right,
Speaker 3: it actually bows back together that they're saying the same
Speaker 3: thing right. And without getting into politics, I think you know,
Speaker 3: this has to do with there's a duality. You were
Speaker 3: talking about the Hermetic principles, which talks about the law
Speaker 3: of gender. There's a duality of the human design. Two eyes,
Speaker 3: two ears, two hemispheres to the brain, right. And one
Speaker 3: of the fascinating things is that the only singular glands
Speaker 3: in your brain are the pineal gland and the hypothalmis.
Speaker 3: So when you smoke dmtor, which you produce naturally, when
Speaker 3: you work with that, you know your third eye, right,
Speaker 3: you know, like your logo, right, But when you work
Speaker 3: with it, you're you're activating that singular gland, and the
Speaker 3: experience is very much this unification of these hemispheres to
Speaker 3: have this singular experience of consciousness. If that makes sense.
Speaker 2: Oh yeah, yeah, dude. And that's something that is so
Speaker 2: fascinating to me. That we have certain receptors in our
Speaker 2: brain like already there, you know, like, how is it
Speaker 2: that I that we have cannabinoid receptors within our brain.
Speaker 2: How is it that we have literally like DMT receptors
Speaker 2: or the pinial gland like within our brain, and that's
Speaker 2: what allows us to dream at night, is because a
Speaker 2: little bit of that pinial fluid or whatever it is
Speaker 2: is seeping out, and that's what's allowing us to sense
Speaker 2: the and see these kind of things. And I, you know,
Speaker 2: and I can appreciate the scientific side of it. Well,
Speaker 2: the science is just like, well, you know, you're only
Speaker 2: experiencing that because you're the DMT is being released from
Speaker 2: your pinial gland, and it's just something that happens. And
Speaker 2: the same thing goes like, you know, whenever somebody is
Speaker 2: about to die, they say, well, that's whenever the DMT
Speaker 2: is kind of expressing itself through the pineal gland. And
Speaker 2: that's why people are seeing, you know, ancient ancestors or
Speaker 2: religious figures or whatever on the other side that are
Speaker 2: there to greet them for the other side. And it's
Speaker 2: really just a it's just a psychoactive thing. And I'm
Speaker 2: just like, Okay, I think that you're halfway there. I
Speaker 2: think that you're you know, like you're you're getting down
Speaker 2: to the science of like what mechanism is causing you
Speaker 2: to experience that to but to just relegate it to well,
Speaker 2: it's just a function of the body and it's not
Speaker 2: actually what's happening, and that's not actually reality. I'm like,
Speaker 2: how can it not be reality? Like, it is a
Speaker 2: human experience that everybody experiences, whether it is through dreams
Speaker 2: or meditation or psychedelics or you know, near death or whatever. Like,
Speaker 2: people are experiencing this just as you would experience going
Speaker 2: to the bathroom when you wake up, just as you
Speaker 2: experience brushing your teeth when you wake up. That's an
Speaker 2: experience that actually happened. To your perception, these things are happening.
Speaker 2: And so whenever people have like you know, religious experience
Speaker 2: or spiritual experiences, and it's like you can't change their mind.
Speaker 2: They saw what they saw, they experienced what they experience.
Speaker 2: You know, Jacob had a demon experience and an angel experience.
Speaker 2: I had an experience with a fucking Egyptian catwoman and
Speaker 2: also like an elohem experience. Like, these experiences are real
Speaker 2: to us, and I don't think that we necessarily need
Speaker 2: to prove it to anybody else. We can relay the
Speaker 2: stories and see what other people think. About it. But
Speaker 2: to the individual, these things are absolutely true and they
Speaker 2: absolutely are real. And you know, like I've had certain
Speaker 2: people tell me that I had this elohem experience with
Speaker 2: I took like a super dosage of mushrooms and I
Speaker 2: was able to basically hear the elohem and this trumpet
Speaker 2: voice and YadA YadA. I've told this story a million times,
Speaker 2: but I've had that experience. And then I've had like
Speaker 2: people come and tell me they're like, oh, that's demons,
Speaker 2: Like that's clearly demons, because the angels and God wouldn't
Speaker 2: do that, Like they're there. You know, you opened up
Speaker 2: a channel, you opened up a doorway for these demons.
Speaker 2: And it's always like does it always have to be
Speaker 2: fucking demonic? Like why do we always have to go there?
Speaker 2: Like can it just be an awesome experience? Did I?
Speaker 2: Did I become a raging meth head after it? Did
Speaker 2: I start raping?
Speaker 4: Like?
Speaker 2: No, Like, none of these things happened. It was a
Speaker 2: positive experience, And I've taken a lot from that experience.
Speaker 2: So don't sit there and your fucking judgment and try
Speaker 2: and say, well, that was just a demotic experience, Like
Speaker 2: I'm like, dude, I'm sorry, you're you're half of your
Speaker 2: mind is just shut off at this point.
Speaker 4: Yellow heme one, I get but the catwoman one. I'm
Speaker 4: not saying that was a demon or not, because we've
Speaker 4: had like six different stories as to who and or
Speaker 4: what that entity was. Brother, I don't even know what
Speaker 4: to call that. I mean, I'm still learning about it.
Speaker 4: I don't.
Speaker 2: I don't know, you know exactly what it was.
Speaker 4: Fuck though we know that.
Speaker 2: No, she wasn't trying to fuck I was, but that's
Speaker 2: a different story. I'm not trying to go there.
Speaker 3: But that's good. You were trying to get down with
Speaker 3: the liarn you just t I mean.
Speaker 4: I sairly, but I turned them on.
Speaker 3: Yeah.
Speaker 2: It turned like I just got real horny out of
Speaker 2: nowhere with this being, and I was like, what is
Speaker 2: going on? This is supposed to be a spiritual experience
Speaker 2: and here I go getting horny. It's like, what's wrong
Speaker 2: with me? You know? But then I found out later
Speaker 2: that that's actually a cat being from the Egyptian pantheon
Speaker 2: named oh God, I forget her name now sec met Yes,
Speaker 2: that's it.
Speaker 5: I've had her come to me as well.
Speaker 2: Get out of here. I would love to hear that experience.
Speaker 5: You know, she's a warrior, so she's like a fierce,
Speaker 5: fierce energy, but she's also like a medicine woman at
Speaker 5: the same time.
Speaker 3: Yeah, I mean, Tanya, maybe you want to explain this
Speaker 3: because I feel like I talked too much. Do you
Speaker 3: want to talk about how, you know, like your belief
Speaker 3: system around, like how the archetypal figures that symbols that
Speaker 3: you're given are actually like personifications of these energy frequencies.
Speaker 5: Oh yeah, yeah. So basically, so you know, we have
Speaker 5: these deities all over different cultures and different religions, but
Speaker 5: if you really look at them, the even different religions
Speaker 5: have kind of the same figures for different energy patterns,
Speaker 5: and that's kind of what these things are. Somehow these
Speaker 5: seem to be like I don't know, Cody and I
Speaker 5: wrestle with this a lot that if all is mind
Speaker 5: and we create our reality, then by believing in something enough,
Speaker 5: it does create an entity, right, which is kind of
Speaker 5: scary because then you're like, well, I don't want to
Speaker 5: be thinking about something demonic because then if everybody's thinking
Speaker 5: about that, that's going to create something demonic, right, like.
Speaker 2: A tapa or an egg.
Speaker 5: Yeah, yeah, absolutely, And so the same thing with these
Speaker 5: energy patterns is if like somebody is like, oh this
Speaker 5: like anger and war and death and rebirth and like
Speaker 5: all these different things, like eventually they become deified and
Speaker 5: they become energy patterns that are if they're made from
Speaker 5: humans or made to merge with humans, then it's something
Speaker 5: that we can merge with. And actually that energy pattern
Speaker 5: it's very it is still goes back to almost simulations.
Speaker 5: It's like we're electrical beings and these electrical patterns can
Speaker 5: like merge with us in order to help us like
Speaker 5: click or shift into like another gear if that makes sense.
Speaker 3: Yeah, but yeah, And just to just to speak to
Speaker 3: two things about that, I mean, one, if this is
Speaker 3: God's school essentially where we can create and what we
Speaker 3: create in our mind we can create in this physical reality,
Speaker 3: it implies that this is almost like a quarantine zone
Speaker 3: for us to experience the ramifications of our creation, so
Speaker 3: we can self teach ourselves as creators, if that's what
Speaker 3: our soul is. And that also would explain like that
Speaker 3: theory would explain a little bit around why there seems
Speaker 3: to be sort of this like interdimensional quarantine through the
Speaker 3: expression of UFOs and ups and angels like they are
Speaker 3: containing things we've had. We've had a shamanic practitioner on
Speaker 3: we've interviewed who essentially said that those I mean, I
Speaker 3: we don't necessarily believe this, but just sharing a theory.
Speaker 3: He was saying, those like, if whatever demonic things you're
Speaker 3: seeing are actually higher dimensional beings, can take painting that
Speaker 3: energy so it doesn't get out of control. Who knows.
Speaker 3: But the one thing I want to say just to
Speaker 3: speak to sort of like the danger of avoidance, because
Speaker 3: we just were going over something where we were talking
Speaker 3: about all we don't want to think necessarily too much
Speaker 3: of this because it might create that demonic for us.
Speaker 5: Right, it's just a thought.
Speaker 6: It's just we're just we're just we're just you know,
Speaker 6: skiing down slopes here.
Speaker 3: But one of one of the things too, that is
Speaker 3: like the thing we always talk about is we don't
Speaker 3: want a situation where we the fear of these things
Speaker 3: are essentially splitting the consciousness down the middle and separating
Speaker 3: us from each other more. And we're not doing shadow work, right,
Speaker 3: We do believe like we all have shadows. We need
Speaker 3: to face our shit so we can learn and grow
Speaker 3: from it. And a lot of times they have things
Speaker 3: to teach us, you know those, I mean those If
Speaker 3: I have pain for my childhood, I shouldn't be avoiding
Speaker 3: it and just smoking and jerking off. I should listen
Speaker 3: to it and change.
Speaker 5: Like the sevenths, it's the same sort of thing even
Speaker 5: in Gnoscissism, it's the arcons, which are just personifications of
Speaker 5: the seven deadly sins. It's like different things that we
Speaker 5: shadow work that we have to like get through, but
Speaker 5: they're just personified because a lot of times we're able
Speaker 5: to connect more with a person, so we like like, oh,
Speaker 5: I know that being, And it's easier for us to
Speaker 5: understand the energy of a person if we can see
Speaker 5: a physical entity, you know, as like a statue or
Speaker 5: something like that, then we're able to like understand the
Speaker 5: energy pattern and change that inside of ourselves, right.
Speaker 2: Right, Yeah, for sure. And you know I've I've done
Speaker 2: a lot of thought into like demons and stuff like that.
Speaker 2: You know, people have certain experiences with demons or damonds
Speaker 2: or what is it that the Muslims call them and
Speaker 2: the gin right, like, these are things that seemingly are existing.
Speaker 2: I mean people thousands, hundreds of thousands of people have
Speaker 2: experienced some entity or some energy or whatever like this.
Speaker 2: But I always find it fascinating because most of the
Speaker 2: people that come face to face with those things, it
Speaker 2: always leads them right back to the good side. Like
Speaker 2: it's always like I had this experience and I see
Speaker 2: that they're real, and I don't like that, and I
Speaker 2: don't want to be a part of that, so I'm
Speaker 2: gonna go to the good side. And whether that good
Speaker 2: side is religion or this or or some kind of
Speaker 2: spiritual understanding, it's always like, you know, the yin and
Speaker 2: the yin and the yang right, Like it's like they
Speaker 2: can't exist without each other. But also it kind of
Speaker 2: just seems to me, like if the demons are so bad,
Speaker 2: why do they all lead everybody to spirituality or to
Speaker 2: God or to religion. It's always like something positive that
Speaker 2: comes from, you know, being in front of these kind
Speaker 2: of like or experiencing these kind of entities. What do
Speaker 2: you think about that, Jacob, Like.
Speaker 4: Do you think that like they're im a now a
Speaker 4: liar on this one. Brother, My demon came to me
Speaker 4: first when I was five years old, came back to
Speaker 4: me when I was sixteen. All of that, by the way,
Speaker 4: I was very involved in the church and very strong
Speaker 4: in my beliefs. This didn't scare me back into my faith,
Speaker 4: if any, my faith was unshaken. At that point. I
Speaker 4: lost my faith and when I was twenty nothing to
Speaker 4: do with the demon whatsoever. That was a whole Uh.
Speaker 4: You know, if God is so good, then why is
Speaker 4: there so much evil in the world? Me, me, me,
Speaker 4: you know, little Oh woe is me gone to the
Speaker 4: nth degree if we're gonna be honest about it. But
Speaker 4: I didn't see it that way at the time. And
Speaker 4: the demon came back to me in my mid twenties,
Speaker 4: and uh, that's when I had my big showdown with
Speaker 4: it and threatened it. And it hadn't come back since
Speaker 4: the last time I saw it. I know for sure
Speaker 4: gone down a level because of the eye color. But
Speaker 4: in that I learned about that through looking at demonology
Speaker 4: and Grimore's and.
Speaker 3: I mean it was what the eyeiconor I've never heard
Speaker 3: this before.
Speaker 4: So, uh, my demon when it first appeared to me
Speaker 4: didn't seem like a demon whatsoever. Quick TLDR of the story.
Speaker 4: My grandmother died when I was very young. I was
Speaker 4: in kindergarten and well I was three when she died,
Speaker 4: didn't see or experience anything until I was five years old.
Speaker 4: And then from the time I was five to six,
Speaker 4: I saw my grandmother out in the play and I
Speaker 4: just thought it was her spirit or her soul or whatever.
Speaker 4: And I would go out and play with her for
Speaker 4: a little bit, and I would go play with my friends,
Speaker 4: and nobody ever questioned it because I didn't really speak
Speaker 4: on it, because that was just I don't know, It's
Speaker 4: not something I really talked to my friends about, you know.
Speaker 4: Then one day I went out to go see her
Speaker 4: and it shifted and morphed into what I would now
Speaker 4: classify as a demon. Knowing what I know about what
Speaker 4: demons are supposed to look like. Then, as it was
Speaker 4: kind of tormenting me, an angel, which at the time
Speaker 4: I didn't know what that was. I didn't know I
Speaker 4: was talking to a demon. I didn't know what an
Speaker 4: angel was supposed to look like, came and pretty much
Speaker 4: cast it out. Okay. I kind of chalked that up
Speaker 4: to childlike imagination and moved on with my life.
Speaker 3: What did they look like? Jacob?
Speaker 4: So the memory is kind of fuzzy as far as
Speaker 4: the childhood goes. Now, When I was sixteen, I got
Speaker 4: a real good look at it.
Speaker 2: All, kind of like the reptilian image right that we
Speaker 2: had pulled up.
Speaker 4: It kind of but with some differences. When I was sixteen,
Speaker 4: I had another experience where the demon came and tormented me.
Speaker 4: And that was the only time I've ever experienced a
Speaker 4: paralysis of any type. People will say that, oh, you
Speaker 4: were dreaming and this was sleep paralysis. No, I was
Speaker 4: fully awake. I heard my parents in the kitchen. They
Speaker 4: were talking and doing dishes and stuff. I couldn't move
Speaker 4: the demon, whatever it was, it was feeding off of
Speaker 4: the fear, right, Although it did scrape me and I
Speaker 4: used to have scars from it, but that's long since
Speaker 4: been healed. And it had golden eyes, and that that
Speaker 4: is a certain I don't want to say rank, but
Speaker 4: if two our English language, that would make more sense
Speaker 4: to say. It's like a not a classification necessarily, but
Speaker 4: like that was like a power level, a rank, if
Speaker 4: you want to say. I was too young and full
Speaker 4: of fear to be able to do anything about it.
Speaker 4: My angel came down and fucked it up on my
Speaker 4: behalf with a flaming bow and arrow. The angel, yeah, yeah, yeah,
Speaker 4: so and that's whenever I learned the angel's name, which,
Speaker 4: of course, this motherfucker will never let me live down
Speaker 4: because it just so happened that my angel's name is Jonathan.
Speaker 2: And then yeah, that was before we ever met, too,
Speaker 2: and it's like a sign, dude, that's such a sign.
Speaker 4: Yeah.
Speaker 2: I mean, I fuck with him all the time saying,
Speaker 2: oh that was I don't believe that was me by
Speaker 2: any means. I just like to fuck with him and say.
Speaker 3: There's no coincidences and it's not about we're talking about
Speaker 3: all being connected and stuff like that. That's such a
Speaker 3: that's so cool.
Speaker 4: Love it.
Speaker 2: And it's literally ten ten years before we met, or
Speaker 2: more than ten years before we ever even met, So
Speaker 2: it wasn't like, you know, I was his friend and
Speaker 2: that's maybe what he you know, decided to add as
Speaker 2: a part to this story. It was like, no, like
Speaker 2: that was the he found out the demon's name was Jonathan,
Speaker 2: and then later to find out it's like, I'm sorry,
Speaker 2: the angel's name is Jonathan. I don't think you ever
Speaker 2: got the demon's name, huh.
Speaker 4: Nor do I care to hear. It's all good. That
Speaker 4: motherfucker knows better than to come at me again.
Speaker 3: Yeah.
Speaker 2: Yeah, But it's crazy though, just how life works out
Speaker 2: like that, you know. And it's like I feel the
Speaker 2: same way, not to detract, but like from other people,
Speaker 2: like like your Cody. My brother's name is Cody. Jacob's
Speaker 2: Brother's name is Cody, and and it's like so weird
Speaker 2: where we come in contact and they you guys could
Speaker 2: not be more different his brother, my brother, and you
Speaker 2: are like fractals in another universe. It is crazy, but
Speaker 2: it's just it's cool because it's you know, it's it
Speaker 2: rhymes a little bit. So am I gonna sit here
Speaker 2: and say that I was that angel? No, I'm not
Speaker 2: saying that. No, I just thought that it was funny
Speaker 2: to fuck with him like that, you know.
Speaker 4: So the angel was I would guess Tomate maybe eight
Speaker 4: foot tall, seven eight foot tall, I know for sure,
Speaker 4: two sets of wings, maybe there was a third that
Speaker 4: was tucked behind, I don't know. And blonde hair, you know,
Speaker 4: the whole, the whole garb of things. And the demon,
Speaker 4: at least when he was his strongest, I'll say, Grayskin
Speaker 4: had golden eyes, the teeth sharp as hell like fangs
Speaker 4: on not all, you know, not vampire fangs, all of
Speaker 4: the teeth were sharpened to points, long fingernails that were
Speaker 4: pitch black, dreadlocks smelled like sulfur and dead carcass. Yeah,
Speaker 4: the whole nine, very deep, voice, very ominous. And there
Speaker 4: was a portion of time whenever I lost my faith.
Speaker 4: And keep that in mind too, I had lost my
Speaker 4: faith in God and was still seeing this demon in
Speaker 4: the mirror like it was as I was losing my faith,
Speaker 4: I at least acknowledged that there was something spiritual about
Speaker 4: this realm, about this world. Maybe the Bible was wrong,
Speaker 4: but some group has had to have gotten its semi
Speaker 4: right at some point in time. So I went and
Speaker 4: delved into every single religious book and text and subreddit
Speaker 4: that I could fucking get my hands on, and long
Speaker 4: story short, it all led me back to three that
Speaker 4: even had some sort of an asseimbilance of truth that
Speaker 4: could be verified in fact checked through science and history,
Speaker 4: and those were the Abrahamic religions. So then through more
Speaker 4: verification in my own it was like, Okay, so I
Speaker 4: can either take this Bible and acknowledge it to be
Speaker 4: truth and apply it the correct way, or I can
Speaker 4: turn my back on it. Knowing that I am turning
Speaker 4: my back on truth, and I will have to deal
Speaker 4: with those consequences when the time comes for me. That
Speaker 4: was a very easy choice. The last time I saw
Speaker 4: my demon, he had red eyes, dark red, not like
Speaker 4: laser red by any means. That means at least he
Speaker 4: went down one, I think, possibly two levels, because you're
Speaker 4: a human's not supposed to be able to threaten and
Speaker 4: attack a demon, not in the way that I did.
Speaker 4: So that basically meant that he was kind of a bitch,
Speaker 4: which he is. I'll stand on that, and uh yeah,
Speaker 4: so he pale, skin, wrinkly, old looking, you know features
Speaker 4: he I will say. As far as the face goes,
Speaker 4: you asked about what a demon is supposed to look like,
Speaker 4: you'll see a long nose, not necessarily like a cartoon
Speaker 4: but more like an elongation of this area. The face
Speaker 4: will also be kind of droopy, like melted wax looking.
Speaker 4: These are all kind of indicative of that. So okay, Yeah.
Speaker 3: First off, that's an amazing story, and thank you for
Speaker 3: sharing that with us. That's so cool.
Speaker 4: There's more to it, But I mean, we did an
Speaker 4: episode on in a while back that was, Yeah.
Speaker 3: Isn't isn't it so funny when you're putting a position
Speaker 3: to like some like the most significant religious experience of
Speaker 3: your entire life, Like ye two minutes and you kind
Speaker 3: of just gloss over with the beats and you're like,
Speaker 3: if you only knew the emotion and the details and
Speaker 3: how real this was today, that's amazing and I think
Speaker 3: one of the one of the most significant things where
Speaker 3: like look, I mean when it comes to the shadow
Speaker 3: side of the of all of this, I mean, just
Speaker 3: before we launch into this, I'll say, one, that's why
Speaker 3: working with psychedelics because it opens your field so much.
Speaker 3: Our teachers are very serious on protection and you know,
Speaker 3: like they all of our teachers, that's part of this
Speaker 3: of shamanism, uh and you know so so. But for us,
Speaker 3: you know, we had to like wrestle with that for
Speaker 3: a long time. You know, are there you know? Are
Speaker 3: you know? Is there a shadow? Are there demons? Are
Speaker 3: there this or that? You know? And as much as
Speaker 3: and I'd say that's even a little bit a blind
Speaker 3: spot for us that we want to believe it's all
Speaker 3: good and it's all God. But the truth is is
Speaker 3: that that's an inconvenient truth of not only this type of
Speaker 3: work or this being a human, but also of being
Speaker 3: being someone that has these type of conversations around these
Speaker 3: ideas where there is so much gray area. There's a
Speaker 3: lot of people gun slinging out there when it comes
Speaker 3: to this stuff. So I mean, like that's a major
Speaker 3: point of interest. I think the thing that like was
Speaker 3: really startling for us when it can't it's when it
Speaker 3: came to because we're always looking for some sort of
Speaker 3: like validation. Okay, we have these texts, we have personal experiences,
Speaker 3: and then we looked with science or history or you know.
Speaker 5: Govern their people's experiences.
Speaker 3: We're all looking right, you guys have gotten into the
Speaker 3: gateway process, right.
Speaker 2: Hell yeah, yeah dude, Robert Monroe, Yeah dude.
Speaker 3: So like that thirty five year old study where the
Speaker 3: CIA essentially like proves consciousness and everything we know and
Speaker 3: are talking about here. Yeah, I mean that thesis statement
Speaker 3: is you have.
Speaker 5: You seen the last page that isn't really like put out? No,
Speaker 5: not sure, there's like there, like, uh, there's like pages
Speaker 5: that are through the Monroe Institute or something, but they
Speaker 5: weren't released with the CIA documents.
Speaker 3: Yeah, I mean I thought that was we have to
Speaker 3: Now this makes me want to fact check this, But
Speaker 3: essentially they say that their thesis after the thirty five
Speaker 3: year study is that there is an interdimensional race of
Speaker 3: beings that are siphoning off They call the emot emotional
Speaker 3: energy negative energy exactly what you said, Jacob. They call
Speaker 3: it loosh. And that's like, because we want to make
Speaker 3: a documentary about it. Once we caught that, we were.
Speaker 4: Like, oh fuck, well that's that's where Monsters Inc. Got
Speaker 4: its thing from the monster in the closet that they're
Speaker 4: powering their world off of the screams of children. That's
Speaker 4: based off of a whole backstory to this one hundred percent.
Speaker 3: Well what do you think about if okay, if that's true,
Speaker 3: and there's a lot of evidence to support it, including
Speaker 3: what you just said, Jacob, which is like some serious shit.
Speaker 3: So obviously the negative those negative archetypes are feeding off
Speaker 3: of things like fear. Right, Well, how do you raise
Speaker 3: awareness around this this aspect of reality without creating more fear,
Speaker 3: which is the very thing that the you know, Like,
Speaker 3: that's sort of the question.
Speaker 4: So it's difficult because everybody, how could I put this?
Speaker 3: All? Right?
Speaker 4: I saw a meme once upon a gap, right, and
Speaker 4: it was a chihuahua and a Saint Bernard who just
Speaker 4: went through a mud puddle and you could tell the
Speaker 4: mud puddle was like eight inches tall. The Chihuahua had
Speaker 4: it up to the neck. The German, I'm sorry, the
Speaker 4: Saint Bernard had it like midway up the calf. And
Speaker 4: it's like, everybody experiences the same shit, but it's not
Speaker 4: the same shit to each person, you see what I mean. So,
Speaker 4: whenever you're telling, like, how do you deal with fear,
Speaker 4: the method that works for me may not work for
Speaker 4: this other person because that fear, even though it was
Speaker 4: the exact same experience, resonated with them differently. What I
Speaker 4: can say is that fear is a There is some
Speaker 4: logical fear, right, a fear of falling from a great height. Okay, fine,
Speaker 4: we could at least acknowled there's a natural survival instinct
Speaker 4: type fear of that fear of things of the spiritual
Speaker 4: or the esoteric, or of the other dimensional. There's not
Speaker 4: much you can really do about it unless you prep
Speaker 4: for it. Now, I am of the belief that we
Speaker 4: are in the middle of a spiritual warfare. Okay, my
Speaker 4: religious book says to put on your armor daily. He
Speaker 4: didn't say grab your bible and be a hippie, he
Speaker 4: said to arm yourself, Like, I don't know why people
Speaker 4: get into faith thinking that it's gonna be happy, happy,
Speaker 4: joy joy. He told you to strap the fuck up,
Speaker 4: So like dress accordingly, you know that being the case.
Speaker 4: Having fear of things that you know are like fear
Speaker 4: of the dark. If you're afraid of running into something
Speaker 4: in the pitch black dark as you're walking that you
Speaker 4: can't see. Okay, we can logically assess this having fear
Speaker 4: of darkness as a whole for what why are you afraid?
Speaker 4: You have to delve deeper into the actual nuances of
Speaker 4: where that true fear for you comes from. Fear is
Speaker 4: mostly a liar, mostly right now, having a phobia of
Speaker 4: something because of some traumatic experience you had in your life. Okay,
Speaker 4: I'm not gonna belittle that by any means, But being
Speaker 4: afraid of just for the sake of being afraid, who
Speaker 4: does that help? It only hurts, which means there is
Speaker 4: of the spiritual. Like you said, the spectrum, there is
Speaker 4: a side feeding off of one type of energy and
Speaker 4: a side feeding off of the other type of energy.
Speaker 4: Fear for the sake of being afraid, you know something's
Speaker 4: feeding off of that or we could take that. Even
Speaker 4: aside from fear, lust, gluttony, all of these other things,
Speaker 4: you as a human being doing something that is going
Speaker 4: to hurt yourself, hurts society, hurts your family, whatever the
Speaker 4: case is, something is feeding off of that and begging
Speaker 4: for more, you know what I mean. That's all. It
Speaker 4: all encompasses this, it's all a part of it. So
Speaker 4: for me, yeah, there's certain things that I wouldn't say
Speaker 4: I'm afraid of necessarily, certain things I try to avoid,
Speaker 4: of course, but I don't have a fear of dot
Speaker 4: dot dot as far as I know. And it's not
Speaker 4: like I'm over here trying to say I'm billy badass
Speaker 4: or any of that. It's just it's like, the problem
Speaker 4: is not the problem. Your attitude about the problem is
Speaker 4: the problem.
Speaker 3: We were just talking about this, Like courage is in
Speaker 3: the absence of fear. It's feeling the fear and doing
Speaker 3: it anyways, right, Like exactly, It's like it's not that.
Speaker 3: So it's not the focus on get abolishing fear through
Speaker 3: ignorant insert or resisting something. It's it's by fostering a
Speaker 3: spirit of courage. That's how you overcome fear.
Speaker 5: So absolutely that's fascinating.
Speaker 3: That's fascinating.
Speaker 2: Yeah, it's cool though, because you know, even in Jacob's
Speaker 2: demonic experience, he knew that he had like God at
Speaker 2: his back and that he could call on God and
Speaker 2: almost like threaten this demon with God. Like whatever power
Speaker 2: you have, whatever kind of control you think you have,
Speaker 2: I have something that is much more powerful behind me.
Speaker 2: And that kind of leads me to my question with
Speaker 2: you guys. You know, with all of your research and
Speaker 2: all of the conversations that you've had in your experiences
Speaker 2: and stuff like that, are do you find that you're
Speaker 2: able to take your prior knowledge into those achadelic experiences
Speaker 2: to where if you experience something you know, negative or
Speaker 2: nasty or scary or whatever the case may be, can
Speaker 2: you do you have anything that would kind of be
Speaker 2: like your armor of God, so to say, some kind
Speaker 2: of information or knowledge that you would have to be
Speaker 2: able to bring in there and disperse that or at
Speaker 2: least look at it from a different angle.
Speaker 5: Yeah, I mean anytime, because for me, at least, like
Speaker 5: I'm very lucid inside of the experiences. So I like
Speaker 5: when it ustopecially in ayahuasca done so much with well,
Speaker 5: I guess with mushrooms too, but ayahuasca more so is
Speaker 5: like it's a communication back and forth, like I can
Speaker 5: just speak telepathically and just like ask questions and get
Speaker 5: received messages. So it's almost like when I go into
Speaker 5: these experiences, if I experience something that's scary or negative,
Speaker 5: I more or less just be like, Okay, what are
Speaker 5: you trying to show me? Like what is it? What
Speaker 5: are you trying to show me? Because I know I'm
Speaker 5: not in any danger right now, I'm totally safe, Like
Speaker 5: there's people facilitating, I'm protect that, I'm totally fine. I'm like,
Speaker 5: what are you trying to show me? And it will
Speaker 5: always unveil itself and show me what it is trying
Speaker 5: to like the thing that is like the shadow element,
Speaker 5: and usually it is a something that is in my
Speaker 5: subconscious mind or something in my past or a trauma
Speaker 5: or something that I'm not facing that is coming forward
Speaker 5: to be faced. And so by doing it with love
Speaker 5: and being like Okay, I see that you're here, Why
Speaker 5: are you here? What is this? You know? And then
Speaker 5: it will unveil itself to me and I'll be able
Speaker 5: to work through it. But it definitely is just a
Speaker 5: practice of knowing and learning that you can communicate y
Speaker 5: and you can. You are totally fucking safe and you
Speaker 5: just have to go forward and be with strength and
Speaker 5: courage and be like all right, I see you. This
Speaker 5: is really fucking scary, but I'm gonna do it anyway, right, And.
Speaker 3: We'd love the opportunity to teach some of the shamanic tools,
Speaker 3: like almost like the protocols. That's very much our passion
Speaker 3: in terms of what we'd like to do. But just
Speaker 3: to speaks to what she said, Uh yeah, I mean
Speaker 3: without getting into the tools, I mean, you're and there's
Speaker 3: sort of levels and so this is an art. There's
Speaker 3: an art in a science to this work. You know. Again,
Speaker 3: like there's a lot of like oh I did this,
Speaker 3: I did that, Like this is before recorded history, this
Speaker 3: work was being done, you know. And the so there's
Speaker 3: a lot that you can do, you know. And I'll
Speaker 3: get into a little bit of the of the tools.
Speaker 3: So if you eat a certain diet, there is a
Speaker 3: certain way of you know, staving from It's.
Speaker 5: Literally like caffeine sex sex.
Speaker 3: I think caffeine, sax, dairy, cheese, cannabis, alcohol, meat. Some
Speaker 3: people say some lineages they'll say like if you're gonna
Speaker 3: do meat fish.
Speaker 5: Yeah, but it's mostly you just stay you're saying to grain,
Speaker 5: no salt, and you're doing like grains, vegetables, fruit and
Speaker 5: like lagoons or something like that. But it's very very
Speaker 5: clean diet.
Speaker 3: You're talking about like this is like the way of
Speaker 3: the plants. This is plant medicine. This is there's an old,
Speaker 3: old indigenous parable which is essentially like God gave humans
Speaker 3: the animals for meat, and then we abused the animals
Speaker 3: in the way we killed them and the way we
Speaker 3: housed them and you know, tortured them to extract the meat.
Speaker 3: So the animal spirit and animal kingdom gave us disease
Speaker 3: through our meat, and then the plant kingdom volunteered themselves
Speaker 3: as medicine. And that's just their story of the order
Speaker 3: of things. So and in that lineage, to put it
Speaker 3: in a more modern context, that belief system is the
Speaker 3: plants are like seventh dimensional and that that's why if
Speaker 3: you work with something like a cychoed medicine in nature
Speaker 3: are you one of the first things you see is
Speaker 3: you kind of start tuning to the net nature vibration.
Speaker 3: You see them as sort of these hyperdimensional things.
Speaker 5: You feel like you can communicate with them. It's really wild,
Speaker 5: that's why.
Speaker 3: So so it's the way of the plants we're talking about.
Speaker 3: So you're just eating kind of plants and you're starving
Speaker 3: yourself of like these every food and everything has a frequency.
Speaker 3: And essentially what you're doing in shamanism is you're tuning
Speaker 3: your frequency, your EMF field like a like a radio channel,
Speaker 3: to these other dimensional frequencies because and really it's it's
Speaker 3: all one frequency. It's our perceptual limitation and self identity
Speaker 3: of the self keeps us trapped in a singular frequency.
Speaker 5: And are also their densities, is right, You know, everything
Speaker 5: has like a different actual density.
Speaker 3: So the next thing you do is you're sort of
Speaker 3: like making the space. Some people grid the space. I mean,
Speaker 3: the main thing you're doing is you're essentially like you
Speaker 3: are using your free will to call in God. And
Speaker 3: you can also work with your ancestors. You want to
Speaker 3: work with your heel ancestors, you can work with angels essentially.
Speaker 3: Like the other side is there is a it's like
Speaker 3: a bureaucracy, like a very functional government almost like there
Speaker 3: are a lot of force is that volunteer themselves to
Speaker 3: do help with this work. And also the same way
Speaker 3: you can have past lives, you can have like some
Speaker 3: sort of like I don't know, if it's like a
Speaker 3: contract or like your personal frequency can be I don't know,
Speaker 3: you have some sort of karmic bond to something like
Speaker 3: an archangel Jonathan and who's like Ninja, this is my dude,
Speaker 3: and comes like bad damn and like rolls out and
Speaker 3: you know. And it's funny because a lot of people
Speaker 3: that do this type of work, they're very sensitive people.
Speaker 3: So like if you're like, oh, I feel guilty, like
Speaker 3: asking for all these things like space, time doesn't even
Speaker 3: exist in this way. And the crazy thing is we've
Speaker 3: done ceremonies where some of the most profound healings are
Speaker 3: the individual like Tanya, and she can tell the story
Speaker 3: later is going back in time to heal something and
Speaker 3: help your child self. So sometimes we'll even joke be
Speaker 3: like we're praying to our future selves here and they're
Speaker 3: stepping into the ceremony to help with this shit. So
Speaker 3: I digress. So once you step into space, you light
Speaker 3: a candle. You can give thanks to the elements again,
Speaker 3: giving thanks gratitude. Love is the word we use for connection.
Speaker 3: Gratitude is the bridge to love. So by giving thanks
Speaker 3: to the elements, to God, to you're forming these energetic
Speaker 3: connections and you're creating what's known as a point of life.
Speaker 3: From that point. Really, the best thing about these medicines
Speaker 3: and these tools is they give you the ability to
Speaker 3: see the effect of your spiritual and religious practice. So
Speaker 3: if you're Christian, you bring the Bible in baby you.
Speaker 3: And also it's most important for the individual whatever raises
Speaker 3: their frequency to the highest connection of love or spirituality.
Speaker 3: Love seems to be the highest frequency if it's the
Speaker 3: Bible that is right there.
Speaker 5: It's also like totems, like if you have like a
Speaker 5: necklace from your grandmother, and your grandmother you're like, this
Speaker 5: is my angel. This is like the one person in
Speaker 5: my life you can bring in that necklace. It literally
Speaker 5: is just a totem to be able to draw in
Speaker 5: that higher energy.
Speaker 3: Calling in that energy. It's almost like your mind is
Speaker 3: where you put putting the browser or you know, over
Speaker 3: the folder and it pops up right. So if it's
Speaker 3: you want to call on your grandma, you have it
Speaker 3: there because it helps keep your mind on it. We
Speaker 3: have an attention problem. Our minds are going crazy. So
Speaker 3: if you could put those things there to try to
Speaker 3: reconnect with them while you're in the space and your
Speaker 3: fucking mind is dissolving, and then pretty much that's it.
Speaker 3: So you light a candle. Thanks to elements, thanks to you,
Speaker 3: you can. We recommend highly. Look, people call it different things,
Speaker 3: Rah God, Wanka, tanka, Yoshibu, great mystery. He or she
Speaker 3: has many names, but remains the nameless one. You call
Speaker 3: it whatever that is to you. You call that and
Speaker 3: don't fuck with it anything else. Like people, we know
Speaker 3: a lot people that cowboy, don't risk it. We don't
Speaker 3: know enough about this shit.
Speaker 5: We also used to cowboy, by the way, Yeah, then
Speaker 5: we cowboy and then we were like then once we
Speaker 5: like tuned in and actually saw like the way that
Speaker 5: we were doing it, like the proper way, we were like,
Speaker 5: oh do that.
Speaker 3: There's a long story. We have an episode we've done
Speaker 3: Valentine's Day few weeks ago. It's like called our Supernatural
Speaker 3: Love Story on ASCID for squares, and we tell the
Speaker 3: story of how we got to this point. But the
Speaker 3: point is is now, once you do all those things
Speaker 3: and you take the medicine and the playlist ascent at
Speaker 3: that point. You're job is to surrender. I mean we
Speaker 3: literally have purge buckets. We have tools around us. Sage
Speaker 3: we used to clear energy and you know, and I
Speaker 3: think science has proven now it kills ninety eight percent
Speaker 3: of the bacteria in the air. That is more like
Speaker 3: a lower density, so you can get like sick using it.
Speaker 3: Polasanto's more like higher frequency. That's more to like lift
Speaker 3: the vibe of the room.
Speaker 5: We use hepei, which is a sacred tobacco that's ground
Speaker 5: up with a tree ash from the Amazons, from the tribes,
Speaker 5: from the tribes the Kuni Kun tribe is who we
Speaker 5: get ours from. And so it's basically like a like
Speaker 5: a tepe thing. You blow it into somebody's nose and
Speaker 5: it clears energy out. So if you're like, you know,
Speaker 5: you're having a really hard experience and you're like, I
Speaker 5: cannot get through this, like it helps clear the energy
Speaker 5: so you can process things faster.
Speaker 3: The ancient teger plants and it clears It's like, So
Speaker 3: that's what the main thing is with a lot of
Speaker 3: people what they get into this work. The first thing
Speaker 3: you have to learn is how to purge lower vibrational energy,
Speaker 3: and that's done through sweating, crying, vomiting, burpan, yawning.
Speaker 5: Going to the bathroom, anything exactly.
Speaker 3: So it's like to people comfortable with that, I mean
Speaker 3: like you know, and that because a lot of people resist.
Speaker 5: Like you know, but nobody likes throwing up.
Speaker 3: You know. Once once you get into that point where
Speaker 3: we're like the space is set, no one's bothering, phones
Speaker 3: are off, like we're waiting for the rocket ship to
Speaker 3: go off. Uh, you know, that's when the work begins.
Speaker 3: And that's that's like the gloves are off, like you've
Speaker 3: you've you've made the space safe, which just using your
Speaker 3: free will, and then you're then you're surrendering. And what
Speaker 3: Tanya said like about like whatever comes, you know, comes
Speaker 3: the hard thing for me, Like she's really good at
Speaker 3: surrendering for me. Like I'll see like something shadowy and
Speaker 3: like a shadowy image or literally like not exactly spirituals.
Speaker 3: I'll start being like I spend years, I'll give be
Speaker 3: here for hours if I told this story, but I'm
Speaker 3: not gonna tell it. But I my first foray with this,
Speaker 3: I was like dem and I kicked and screamed and
Speaker 3: it was torture. I mean, I'm in the Amazon for days,
Speaker 3: and I mean the first time, it was the worst
Speaker 3: experience of my life. I essentially heard beings around me
Speaker 3: talking about me and touching me like I was there,
Speaker 3: and I went I reacted to them, and they reacted
Speaker 3: to me reacting to them, and started being like, it's okay,
Speaker 3: don't worry, We're trying to here to help you. And
Speaker 3: I was like, nope, I'm out, and I just kicked
Speaker 3: and screamed the entire time. Really, the next day, I'm
Speaker 3: like on the fucking one phone to call back home.
Speaker 3: I'm crying my parents. I'm like, I spend all this money.
Speaker 3: I'm like, I can't. I want to do this. That
Speaker 3: was so scary, that was so hard. I'm done. I
Speaker 3: can't do it like I thought. It was demonic, like
Speaker 3: so freaked out by it. And then I, you know,
Speaker 3: my parents like come home, come home, It's okay, don't
Speaker 3: be embarrassed, Like, don't be embarrassed. Forget the money, it
Speaker 3: doesn't matter, like just come home. But one of the
Speaker 3: visions I got was my sister and she was like this,
Speaker 3: like cold and alone, walking down the street in the
Speaker 3: snow in New York City, like scared, and I was
Speaker 3: like I might being shown this vision. And when I
Speaker 3: called my sister. I called her after and I told
Speaker 3: her the vision. It just broke down crying and she
Speaker 3: was sexually she was sexually assaulted right beforehand. Yeah, it
Speaker 3: was two weeks before. She didn't tell anyone and she
Speaker 3: was suicidal, and I it gave me an opportunity the
Speaker 3: vision to tell my parents, to tell her to tell
Speaker 3: my parents, and for her to get help, and it
Speaker 3: like changed our lives. So so I'm like, I'm so
Speaker 3: freaked out. I'm scared, thinking this is like demonic shit.
Speaker 3: And then on the other hand, it just saved my
Speaker 3: fucking sister. So I was like, fuck it, I'm going back.
Speaker 3: And I went back night and after night, and it
Speaker 3: was like a three year journey to get me to
Speaker 3: see the fact that this was not demonic. But I
Speaker 3: was so scared, like I really thought it was like
Speaker 3: I feared that. But anyways, the point is that when
Speaker 3: I go into these ceremonies and if it wants to
Speaker 3: and it starts to show me shadow, I used to
Speaker 3: cut and run, but a teacher said, it's not happening
Speaker 3: to you, it's happening for you. It's a communication. One
Speaker 3: of our teachers, Cindy would say, it's like spiritual pictionary,
Speaker 3: so you have to ask why they're showing it to
Speaker 3: so they give us the negative thing. I'll give an example,
Speaker 3: and this was one of the first times I was
Speaker 3: able to get past this level of this work. It
Speaker 3: was giving me like this like reptilian face, like growling
Speaker 3: at me. And normally I'm like out and I start
Speaker 3: doing any fucking spiritual shops. I'm like trying to close
Speaker 3: it up and protect the space. But instead I just
Speaker 3: sat in it and I faced it with courage. I
Speaker 3: just like stared it down and I said, like, what
Speaker 3: do you want with me? Like yeah, like what's up, bro,
Speaker 3: Like you have problems? And instead it faded away, you know,
Speaker 3: it shrunk and then it fanned its face out like
Speaker 3: a clock, like different faces on a clock, and it
Speaker 3: was like alien, reptilian like angelic it was, and it said,
Speaker 3: we have many faces, and it went to one face,
Speaker 3: white mask, and it said, but we are all the
Speaker 3: ancient one. And after that, I said, okay, so now
Speaker 3: I like face it more and I ask it questions
Speaker 3: because it seems like sometimes it's almost like God is
Speaker 3: giving you the stick instead of the carrot in this moment.
Speaker 5: It's always there to teach you. That's always what it is.
Speaker 5: It's always trying to teach you a lesson. You just
Speaker 5: have to be willing enough to ask what's going on
Speaker 5: and why it's showing you this, and also be willing
Speaker 5: to change the thing that it's like presenting to you.
Speaker 3: Yeah, and when you ask, it tends to become a
Speaker 3: good thing. Like it's almost like it's almost like if
Speaker 3: I was like, I'm trying to tell you a story
Speaker 3: through images, and I showed you the beginning of the
Speaker 3: movie that's a car crash, and you react to the
Speaker 3: car crash and start going away where it's like, no,
Speaker 3: this is a story about first there's a car crash,
Speaker 3: and then this happens, and this happens, and I'm going
Speaker 3: to get to the ending, which is what I'm trying
Speaker 3: to tell you here That makes sense.
Speaker 2: The oh my god, I love this kind of stuff, dude,
Speaker 2: Like this is it's just the wildest thing. And it's like,
Speaker 2: you know, it's something that has happened, like and it's
Speaker 2: not just one person experiencing something off the wall. It's
Speaker 2: like everybody is experiencing some version of this in these
Speaker 2: other realms. Like however, you get there and it's like, man,
Speaker 2: it's like it's almost like it's part of what it
Speaker 2: means to be a human to have these kinds of experiences.
Speaker 2: Yet people neglect them and just say that, oh, it's
Speaker 2: it's it's just a psychedelic experience, that's all there is
Speaker 2: to it. It's like, this isn't a movie that somebody produced,
Speaker 2: Like this isn't some kind of production that somebody is
Speaker 2: trying to tell me that it's reality. No, like, I'm here,
Speaker 2: I'm mixed. You know, we're experiencing these kinds of things,
Speaker 2: and they all may not seem to be the exact same.
Speaker 2: I think that it's probably up to the individual and
Speaker 2: how they interpret it from their perspective, But it seems
Speaker 2: to be that everybody's kind of witnessing something that is rhyming.
Speaker 2: And if that's not some level of some reality, then
Speaker 2: why would everybody be experiencing something pretty similar to that.
Speaker 2: You know, It's like if somebody said, oh, you know,
Speaker 2: I I meditated and I saw, you know, this other
Speaker 2: world where giraffes actually had elephant bodies and owls had
Speaker 2: alligator bodies, and it's like you know, maybe you can
Speaker 2: experience that, but for the most part, everybody is experiencing
Speaker 2: something of what seems to be like of like a
Speaker 2: higher consciousness that is there to teach you and there
Speaker 2: to show you. And if it's not there to do that,
Speaker 2: then it's there to scare the fuck out of you
Speaker 2: and for you to go more internal and try and
Speaker 2: figure out what that's all about. You know what It's like,
Speaker 2: it's a very there's there's like two sides of all
Speaker 2: of this, and it's all kind of kind of like
Speaker 2: bringing you back to the center of wanting to discover
Speaker 2: what the truth of that is. It's either you can
Speaker 2: do that or you can live in fear and just say,
Speaker 2: oh my god, this thing scared me and I never
Speaker 2: want to experience that. And that's clearly you know, evil,
Speaker 2: and that's demonic and that's satanic, and that's you know,
Speaker 2: of the dark side. And I think that, you know,
Speaker 2: at least from my experience, the dark side is always
Speaker 2: a part of me as well as the light side
Speaker 2: is a part of me. It's like, you know, we
Speaker 2: we have this. You know, you had mentioned earlier about
Speaker 2: the seven Hermetic principles about how you know we have
Speaker 2: there's like certain laws of the universe, and there's like
Speaker 2: certain like there's a balance. It seems that that there's
Speaker 2: always some kind of balance, And I don't I don't know.
Speaker 2: I mean, I'm still on my journey of trying and
Speaker 2: figuring this all out. But dude, this is one of
Speaker 2: the best schools. If being a human on earth is
Speaker 2: a school, Holy shit, what a program that was built.
Speaker 4: Talking about schools, and you said both of you are
Speaker 4: I'm forgetting the exact terminology that y'all use, but you
Speaker 4: said that you are either shamanically trained or you're in
Speaker 4: training to become shamans, or you would you classify yourselves
Speaker 4: as well.
Speaker 5: We basically just are constantly learning. So we're we are students,
Speaker 5: we have we are It's it's so there's this like
Speaker 5: ancient there's this thing of calling like teach learn, right,
Speaker 5: So in like the Book of One or the Law
Speaker 5: of One, they talk about teach learn. So even if
Speaker 5: you're teaching, you're learning, and when you're learning, you're still
Speaker 5: you're teaching. It's it's a give and take, it's one
Speaker 5: and the same. So we constantly are around like we
Speaker 5: have friends that are masters and what they do in
Speaker 5: different niches of these different practices from you know, the
Speaker 5: shamanic arts to you know, plant medicine, to astral travel,
Speaker 5: whatever it is. And we're constantly learning from them. And
Speaker 5: so that is a practice of ours, is just always
Speaker 5: learning and then taking what they've taught us and doing
Speaker 5: in our daily practice.
Speaker 3: So one one shaman is the word shanan means the
Speaker 3: one who knows, and no person should ever call themselves
Speaker 3: that other people can call it. It's just another construct.
Speaker 3: It's just not a boxer, that's fair.
Speaker 4: The reason why I ask is because especially these days,
Speaker 4: we are hearing so many horror stories of these retreats
Speaker 4: or experiences where this shaman will, you know, do the
Speaker 4: procedures and do the ceremony and get somebody in a
Speaker 4: psychedelic trance and then rob them and rape them. And
Speaker 4: like there's thousands of these stories that are coming to
Speaker 4: light these days in y'all's line of work and in
Speaker 4: y'all's journey and experiences. Like you're saying, how much pushback
Speaker 4: have y'all received from these types of stories, especially the
Speaker 4: way the internet's go in these days.
Speaker 3: I mean, one, I would say, in our personal experience,
Speaker 3: we've only come across one that girl we sat with them.
Speaker 5: Yeah, so add an experience like that, and usually usually
Speaker 5: it's women that have these experiences when they go to
Speaker 5: other countries, especially if they're going by themselves. But this
Speaker 5: is also another reason why it's really really important for
Speaker 5: these to become legal in the United States, so we
Speaker 5: can have like facilities that are under watch and under
Speaker 5: some sort of laws and stuff like that to be
Speaker 5: able to create safe space is for women to come
Speaker 5: to and men as well, but like a safe space
Speaker 5: where people actually know what they're doing, that they have
Speaker 5: the proper medicine that they're not just kind of you know,
Speaker 5: cowboying it as we say, like it's it's really important.
Speaker 3: This is a problem with criminalization, and this is this
Speaker 3: is a byproduct of that in terms of like, yeah,
Speaker 3: I mean like do people say shit to us Sometimes
Speaker 3: not really, no one say shit to our faces, but
Speaker 3: if they want to say shit, we get we get
Speaker 3: different things from different different groups. The I think the
Speaker 3: fact of the matter is it's a problem with criminalization.
Speaker 3: And in terms of until it's completely legalized and mainstream
Speaker 3: enough that there are more like standard protocols and you know,
Speaker 3: practices that to protect against these type of things. One
Speaker 3: thing I would say is do not sit with anyone
Speaker 3: that is not a couple. You want a man and
Speaker 3: a woman there who are a couple, a sysogy to
Speaker 3: hold the space for a plethora era of reasons. The
Speaker 3: biggest problem we're finding with this path these people, this
Speaker 3: like this type of work is a distortion of narcissism
Speaker 3: or a messiah complies so and this is not Again,
Speaker 3: it's like it's really fucked up, Like I hate that.
Speaker 3: We you know, oh, we'll see maybe it's a political
Speaker 3: party or religious group or a certain type of person,
Speaker 3: and we see the most extreme version and then immediately
Speaker 3: we're just sort of like generalized like, oh, there's all
Speaker 3: these people in that group. No, just that's because that's
Speaker 3: conflict and drama, negativity that's going to go into your feed.
Speaker 3: That's what the news is gonna cover, and then it's
Speaker 3: going to create this thing. It's the bad Apple spoils
Speaker 3: the bunch. But the one we do see that people die,
Speaker 3: they merge with God. They feel like I just broke
Speaker 3: out of the fucking matrix and merged with like an
Speaker 3: angelic entity and you know, was healed or now have
Speaker 3: the ability to help heal people. And your ego is sticky,
Speaker 3: you're it will filter. Your ego is like an entity, dude,
Speaker 3: it will transfer from what the entity the I'm sorry,
Speaker 3: the ego you had then the identity you had before
Speaker 3: those experiences, to a spiritual identity. And so the best
Speaker 3: way to bypass that is make sure it's a man
Speaker 3: and a woman the you know, working with It's important
Speaker 3: like that. A lot of these tools and lineages of
Speaker 3: working with these medicines come from indigenous groups. It's good
Speaker 3: to go and go work directly with the indigenous people. Now,
Speaker 3: with that said a bit, one of the things even
Speaker 3: we do is translate the ancient teachings into modern terms
Speaker 3: so people can understand them, and we can also bypass
Speaker 3: certain maybe like blockages people have around this work.
Speaker 5: Which so also if you like our friends who work
Speaker 5: directly with the tribes, like they're there every single year,
Speaker 5: they bring them here like they work with them all
Speaker 5: the time. The thing is that a lot of these
Speaker 5: tribes in the Amazon are realizing that it's time for
Speaker 5: the western world to wake up. So they want to
Speaker 5: share all of their wisdom with the western world because
Speaker 5: they know that something has to happen.
Speaker 3: Yeah, I mean they want to share, they're trying to
Speaker 3: to bring this to us. Yes, you know, in as
Speaker 3: many ways as possible. But like the truth of all
Speaker 3: of this when it comes to us is like like
Speaker 3: we're called acid for squares, so like it always with us,
Speaker 3: it becomes about psychedelics. But that's not like the main
Speaker 3: teaching for us. The main teaching is like for not teaching.
Speaker 3: It's like the main mission i'd say, is around what
Speaker 3: we call spiritual disclosure, which is a disclosure of the self.
Speaker 3: It's there's so much shame, and there's so much trauma,
Speaker 3: and there's so we're so segregated that we're not sharing
Speaker 3: our own personal experiences like Jacob's experience he just shared
Speaker 3: with us, especially across you know, across our different ideological
Speaker 3: groups like we you know, it's a.
Speaker 4: Oh I get shown by Christians for that story, like
Speaker 4: the fact that I saw and spoke with an angel
Speaker 4: and a demon. I have Christians that are coming to
Speaker 4: me like, well, the only way an angel or a
Speaker 4: demon would talk to you is if you were selected
Speaker 4: by God to do dot dot dot. And I'm like,
Speaker 4: first of all, who's saying not. Second of all, I'm sorry,
Speaker 4: were you fucking there, bro, Like Okay, it's always like
Speaker 4: you're you're dabbling, like you're dabbling into the occult and
Speaker 4: that's what opened up that doorway or something.
Speaker 5: You know.
Speaker 4: Five and sixteen, I didn't want to experience any of
Speaker 4: this shit, but yeah, I'm I'm the bad guy. Somehow
Speaker 4: I deserve the judgment. It's fucking retarded, But just a listening.
Speaker 5: This is also something that's like really really important for
Speaker 5: like this our show is that we want to make
Speaker 5: sure that the people that come on are teaching people
Speaker 5: how to do this stuff themselves and say, you have
Speaker 5: the power to do this, you have the power to
Speaker 5: do this. I can show you how to do it
Speaker 5: because I've studied forever. But the thing is is there's
Speaker 5: no guru, there's no certain person that has all the answers.
Speaker 5: It's like, no feel what feels right for you in
Speaker 5: that moment, because wherever you're at on your journey can
Speaker 5: be different where you're going to be out in ten
Speaker 5: years from now. You might not be able to understand
Speaker 5: some of the teachings right now, but in five years
Speaker 5: from now you might be able to. And so you
Speaker 5: have to do what feels right in that exact moment
Speaker 5: for you as long as you're not hurting yourself or
Speaker 5: hurting anybody else, like that's fine and learning that sort
Speaker 5: of thing. And so all of the teachers we have
Speaker 5: on the show is to show people you can do
Speaker 5: it yourself. You don't need anybody else, and we're trying
Speaker 5: to bypass the middleman and just have it directly from
Speaker 5: like teacher to student and be like, go do it yourself.
Speaker 3: It's your room directly with spirit and like Jacob, like
Speaker 3: you know, like one of the one of the things
Speaker 3: which is interesting, like because there's so much teachings like
Speaker 3: we pull from the Bible, like we feel like like
Speaker 3: all of Christ's teachings, like we are like absolute like
Speaker 3: students of like and that type of those experiences have
Speaker 3: come through our own personal journeys, right, But understand there
Speaker 3: are certain people that have like religious adversions and religious traumas.
Speaker 3: So like we you know, there's one of our teachers
Speaker 3: would say there's no religion in the spirit world. I
Speaker 3: know some people might disagree with that, but the idea
Speaker 3: of the on the other side is we all this
Speaker 3: is our birthright, that this these higher truths and these
Speaker 3: direct experiences and bringing each other, into communion with each
Speaker 3: other and into communion with this higher thing. That is
Speaker 3: how we culturally take a step that you know, we
Speaker 3: we evolve into a higher plateau of existence instead of
Speaker 3: completely self destruct you know. And the only the only
Speaker 3: other thing I'd say, which has been really so because
Speaker 3: we also have this, we experience it in ourselves, we
Speaker 3: experience it with you know. Now we have the whole
Speaker 3: like social media guru like archetype, and it can kind
Speaker 3: of make us cross our arms a little bit sometimes,
Speaker 3: like it's almost like you got to ask before you
Speaker 3: can receive something, and if someone just starts telling you
Speaker 3: shit before you ask and be like, hey, I don't know.
Speaker 3: So we focus on phenomenology we're interested in, like like Jacob,
Speaker 3: your story, like experience your stories of personal experiences like
Speaker 3: and then just pulling it apart, like being like like
Speaker 3: tell it beat for beat what happened to you and
Speaker 3: then like instead of in creating a safe space for that.
Speaker 3: And we feel like that's what you two do as well,
Speaker 3: like and that's why we're like, we love what you
Speaker 3: two are doing. We feel like you're having the com
Speaker 3: cosa instead of like it's brought up and it's like, no, no, no,
Speaker 3: we can't have that. That doesn't fit in the Overton
Speaker 3: window of what socially accepted, you know, nomenclature to use
Speaker 3: or conversation to have, like and that's that's all this is.
Speaker 3: We're just stretching the cultural conversation and that's it. That's
Speaker 3: all we can do.
Speaker 4: Yea, Why to hear that be all's answer? Because I
Speaker 4: forget if it was like a vice thing or whatever
Speaker 4: it was. But this reporter went to an Aahuascar retreat,
Speaker 4: had an amazing experience, as one does, and uh, after
Speaker 4: the fact, the next day or I think maybe a
Speaker 4: day or two after, was talking to the group and
Speaker 4: brought up some of these negative things that we're hearing
Speaker 4: about from these quote unquote shamanic retreats. Okay, I know
Speaker 4: that there's a bunch of them out there doing things
Speaker 4: the right way, and all of it's documented and certified
Speaker 4: and circumcised and all the shit, right, cool, cool, cool,
Speaker 4: But she asked about, uh, what about these experiences the
Speaker 4: shaman of that group basically victim blamed and was like, well,
Speaker 4: I mean it's a part of her journey and if yeah,
Speaker 4: it's not, it's not it's unfortunate that she was preyed
Speaker 4: upon in her vulnerable state, but that was a part
Speaker 4: of her life journey to have that happen. I mean,
Speaker 4: that's just kind of how it goes. Sometimes. If you
Speaker 4: go into a cave and twist your ankle in the cave,
Speaker 4: do you blame the cave's fault? You're the one that
Speaker 4: went into cave in the first place. And it's like, oh,
Speaker 4: big dog, ooh, that is the wrong approach. Yeah, some
Speaker 4: Brazilian guy. I don't fucking know, but I'm very glad
Speaker 4: to hear that this is y'all's experiences in y'all's response
Speaker 4: to that, for sure.
Speaker 3: Dude, I mean, that's that's messed up. And like, yeah,
Speaker 3: with any of this sort of whatever, whenever you're talking
Speaker 3: about like sort of these spirits, I don't even know
Speaker 3: what you want to call it, the spiritualities, communities, whatever, this,
Speaker 3: there's a lot of like, look, in a world of illusion,
Speaker 3: it only begets more illusion, you know, I mean where
Speaker 3: you know what I mean, we're working with sort of
Speaker 3: like a like not not the best like tools of
Speaker 3: community communicating all this. But the one thing I'd say
Speaker 3: is that we find a lot of uh, spiritual gaslighting
Speaker 3: happening from people, and it's really important that we hear
Speaker 3: each other and take accountability and not and you know,
Speaker 3: and listen to each other. And I just think it's
Speaker 3: really important. The only other thing I'd say, and I
Speaker 3: think Tanya has a story around, like the vice of
Speaker 3: it all is we're directors, we're in media, and one
Speaker 3: of the problems that we've realized and we were essentially
Speaker 3: trained to essentially pray on the rectilian part of the brain.
Speaker 3: It's all sex survival fear, because that is the easiest
Speaker 3: way to hook into the psyche of the individual.
Speaker 4: Sex man and true every time sex will sell.
Speaker 3: So when we realize that, we said, oh shit, we
Speaker 3: are praying on the cultural consciousness of humanity with the
Speaker 3: shit we're trying to do because and without even realizing it,
Speaker 3: we just think, oh, we're making a horror thing, like
Speaker 3: are this but and like it's nothing wrong with that,
Speaker 3: But understanding that the news, the media, they're always going
Speaker 3: to go towards that singular percentage and they're going to
Speaker 3: go to the negative. Oh, here's the appropriation from the
Speaker 3: Western culture of these things. And they're doing it dangerously
Speaker 3: and they're unaccredited, and there's the sexual assault. Does this
Speaker 3: exist yes? Is it such a small percentile? Yes? And
Speaker 3: the only is it okay? No? And this is why
Speaker 3: it needs to be legalized, why there need to be protections,
Speaker 3: why it needs to be be Essentially, I guess the
Speaker 3: term would be like it disinfected by the light of
Speaker 3: day instead of pushed into the underground, so a confessor
Speaker 3: and rot and these problems can come about, you know.
Speaker 4: Yeah, with that being said, Jonathan, you had a question
Speaker 4: you were about to pipe in on, but as we're
Speaker 4: talking about natural things, I had another question for him.
Speaker 2: I go ahead. I forgot what it was.
Speaker 4: Okay, I'm sorry. I didn't mean to cut your legs
Speaker 4: out from her.
Speaker 2: No, No, I was mom aged. No, y'all are great.
Speaker 2: I'm just I feel like I'm just kind of watching
Speaker 2: a show and a part of the show, and I
Speaker 2: have to remind myself that I'm in this, that I'm
Speaker 2: not just watching it. So I love these Before we started, bro, No,
Speaker 2: but these are my favorite kind of conversations because I
Speaker 2: just feel like so fully immersed. This is my shit.
Speaker 2: I love talking about these guys.
Speaker 3: Are awesome, like you fucking throw down, like I mean,
Speaker 3: you're pushing this way deep. We never talk about this
Speaker 3: shit fuck awesome.
Speaker 4: So then let me ask you this too. We're talking
Speaker 4: about if it grows, it goes, right. We don't need
Speaker 4: the chemical components made in a lab somewhere to mimic
Speaker 4: what nature can provide naturally, right, I think we can
Speaker 4: all where they're talking pharmaceuticals, where we're talking psychedelics, whatever
Speaker 4: the case is, we don't need that. We would prefer
Speaker 4: the natural source. What is y'all's take on cocaine? Now?
Speaker 4: The reason why I ask this is because coca all right,
Speaker 4: from the coca tree is a or a bush, I
Speaker 4: should say, is a natural source, and people in all
Speaker 4: over South America use it to make coca t for
Speaker 4: medicinal purposes. That being the case, you can also take
Speaker 4: a couple of chemicals and cook it down and now
Speaker 4: you have pure cocaine. Some people say that this is
Speaker 4: a spiritual plant because it does come from a natural source.
Speaker 4: Some people say that this is the devil incarnate because
Speaker 4: they are the type that lets things ruin their lives,
Speaker 4: and so you know, it's in that weird gray area.
Speaker 4: I've heard the same thing to be said about psychedelics. Right,
Speaker 4: Certain people let mushrooms run them and they ruin their
Speaker 4: lives because they develop a habit even though it's non
Speaker 4: habit forming. And we all agree on that. People will
Speaker 4: do it every day, all day to a point to
Speaker 4: where they can't disassociate and they don't even know how
Speaker 4: to live sober. So it becomes a problem. But alcohol
Speaker 4: would have become their problem. Weed would have become their problem.
Speaker 4: It didn't matter. Right, So as far as the plant
Speaker 4: itself of the coca bush versus coca c versus cocaine,
Speaker 4: where do y'all with y'all's alignment in this realm? Where
Speaker 4: does it fall?
Speaker 5: Okay? So, if you look at LSD, LSD comes from ergot, right,
Speaker 5: is a plant derivative. If you look at cocaine, it
Speaker 5: comes from a plant derivative. The problem is that it
Speaker 5: is literally created in a lab using chemical extraction and
Speaker 5: then it completely takes the spirit out of the planet.
Speaker 3: And the reasoning for that is you cannot patent nature. Yes,
Speaker 3: so essentially the pharmaceutical companies have to essentially mimic the
Speaker 3: compounds so they can patent it and profit off of
Speaker 3: it with the pharmaceutical model.
Speaker 5: But there's also. But so the thing that you're talking
Speaker 5: about with where cocaine comes from and how people use it,
Speaker 5: so it's actually maca, macha maca.
Speaker 3: I don't know. I think that's different. It's the coca leaf.
Speaker 5: It's coca leaf. No, it's the same thing.
Speaker 3: But that's what he's saying.
Speaker 5: So, yeah, so there's this stuff.
Speaker 4: The word I see the word you're talking about. I
Speaker 4: don't know how to pronounce it either. But we're talking
Speaker 4: about the tea basically correct.
Speaker 5: Well, they have this powder that is, isn't it it's
Speaker 5: the leaf. It's a cocoa. No, it is, but anyways,
Speaker 5: it doesn't matter. It is a It is the same
Speaker 5: thing that cocaine comes from. But it's it's the plant itself,
Speaker 5: literally just ground into a powder and people put in
Speaker 5: their gums right here.
Speaker 4: In order to straight gum in it man gum in
Speaker 4: the herbs.
Speaker 5: Yeah, for for energy. But the thing is is it's
Speaker 5: it's the actual plant. It's not a chemical derivative which
Speaker 5: is like cut and made with all this other stuff.
Speaker 5: It's like like cocaine is like meth. It's like the
Speaker 5: same sort of thing. It's made in a lab. It's
Speaker 5: not like you're just like he has this plant like whatever.
Speaker 5: You know, it's like a little bit different.
Speaker 3: Yeah, I mean, there's a couple things also to say
Speaker 3: about it. One is like the shamanic perspective. They would
Speaker 3: say that there is essentially a spirit to it, like
Speaker 3: everything has an energy matrix, a frequency to it. That
Speaker 3: is what they call a spirit. And they say that
Speaker 3: when you're putting into a lab that you're essentially stripping
Speaker 3: the spirit from the physical and that is almost like
Speaker 3: the metaphor for the problem of what's happening in this world.
Speaker 3: We're sort of extracting the spiritual essence from the physical
Speaker 3: experience where nothing is sacred, and that's what's put us
Speaker 3: on this hedonic treadmill of people. Some people call it
Speaker 3: sin illusion. That's why we're sort of trapped in this
Speaker 3: matrix because we're divesting the spiritual nature of reality from itself.
Speaker 5: It's even if like you take an apple, right, if
Speaker 5: you're juicing apples all the time, you're getting pure sugar,
Speaker 5: like it's not good. But if you're eating an apple,
Speaker 5: you're getting the fiber and everything else that comes with
Speaker 5: the apple, because the apple itself is a perfect creation.
Speaker 5: But once you the more you start extracting, and the
Speaker 5: more you start changing it, it loses its pure value
Speaker 5: and can actually become harmful.
Speaker 3: Yeah, and I think from our perspective on this, it
Speaker 3: can be made very very very simple. It's anything can
Speaker 3: be a medicine or a poison. It's all about dosage, quality, frequency,
Speaker 3: and intention.
Speaker 5: Water can kill you much of it.
Speaker 3: So it's and then to go a bit further is
Speaker 3: that if we're talking about I don't think I mean
Speaker 3: this is like some hardcore like spiritual shit, but like
Speaker 3: we don't know if it's when you're working with these tools.
Speaker 5: And maybe maybe.
Speaker 3: This is wrong, but I'm miss saying anyways. I mean,
Speaker 3: you know, we're just we're students here. We will always
Speaker 3: be students, and we are never gonna just be like
Speaker 3: set it and forget it with a belief system or
Speaker 3: our thoughts. We are always learning. When it comes to
Speaker 3: all these tools, I think that they are like step ladders,
Speaker 3: and that they are they call them teacher plants if
Speaker 3: you're using it that way, and they're to be disregarded,
Speaker 3: not to be used forever. And we don't know if
Speaker 3: this is an illusory world using a material thing always
Speaker 3: is ever going to be that thing. Yes we need
Speaker 3: to eat, Yes we need water, Yes we but a
Speaker 3: spiritual thing. I don't know. I'm not one hundred percent
Speaker 3: said on that, but I guess the point is is
Speaker 3: like this can be dangerous. Everything can be dangerous. I
Speaker 3: think when you're using anything to escape pain or discomfort,
Speaker 3: when pain and discomfort and suffering is a fundamental teacher
Speaker 3: of this reality. It is the tool Love is pulling
Speaker 3: you forward, and pain is the spear in the back.
Speaker 5: It's like the pressure of the diamond, right, you need
Speaker 5: all the pressure in order to create the diamond. We
Speaker 5: need the pain and the suffering in order to get
Speaker 5: us to move past into the next chapter and the
Speaker 5: next level of ourselves.
Speaker 3: If your emotions, your spiritual compass in this reality, and
Speaker 3: you're trying to figure this shit out, and you keep
Speaker 3: fucking getting your compass fucking high and it's just right,
Speaker 3: just to make it keep going due north, you'll eventually
Speaker 3: gonna be let as strain. You're gonna wind up somewhere
Speaker 3: like how the fuck did I get here? You know?
Speaker 3: It's like if you so so, it's when it comes
Speaker 3: to cocaine. No, we don't use cocaine. When it do
Speaker 3: we think that some people use it as a plant.
Speaker 3: We think everyone should have their free will to do whatever.
Speaker 3: We think everything should be essentially regulated so it's not dangerous,
Speaker 3: so it doesn't hurt people. We don't want children doing cocaine.
Speaker 3: We don't use cocaine. We don't view it the same.
Speaker 3: But yes, we know Indigenous communities on the leaves while
Speaker 3: they hunt.
Speaker 4: You know, right, I was gonna say now, as they're
Speaker 4: talking about like children don't use it. And again, I've
Speaker 4: never heard of someone having their life wrecked because of
Speaker 4: coca tea. Right now, I have heard of countless stories
Speaker 4: of people having their shit wrecked through cocaine usage, not
Speaker 4: once the prolonged usage and things. But like talking about
Speaker 4: children for ins, and certain Native American tribes, even the
Speaker 4: NAC the Native American Church, they use peyote in their
Speaker 4: rituals and they even give spoonfuls to children in the
Speaker 4: hut as a part of it all. Now, I am
Speaker 4: not saying that we should all be drugging our children.
Speaker 4: There's cultural significant reasons why they do this. But in
Speaker 4: that same way, they give coca tea to children and
Speaker 4: in South American cultures, and like that's not bad but
Speaker 4: I agree cocaine is more or less like the the
Speaker 4: chemicals stripping down and to get the purest form of
Speaker 4: the derivative, and I feel like it kind of loses
Speaker 4: its its spirituality in that sense. The same could be
Speaker 4: set for tobacco. For the for instance, Native American tribe
Speaker 4: salt tobacco is a spiritual plant. They would use it
Speaker 4: in spiritual ceremonies. But when you strip that down to
Speaker 4: get the purest of nicotine, you know you'd lost so
Speaker 4: much of what was supposed to be there. Well, that
Speaker 4: also can be set for spraying it with the pesticides
Speaker 4: in our modern cigarettes as well. We're losing the fucking
Speaker 4: essence there.
Speaker 2: Well, that kind of does.
Speaker 5: We're adding chemicals. So in cigarettes, you're adding chemicals to it.
Speaker 5: It's the same thing cocaine coming from its puris firm,
Speaker 5: you're adding chemicals. So chemicals are never going to be
Speaker 5: good for our body. We're spaying in pesticides on our food.
Speaker 5: It's not good. You're supposed to eat organic, like that's
Speaker 5: going to be the best food for you. Like anytime
Speaker 5: there's a chemical that's extracting or changing the plant itself,
Speaker 5: it's not going to be positive. A lot of our
Speaker 5: pharmaceuticals come from a plant derivative but then are changed
Speaker 5: into something else, which can cause side effects in US.
Speaker 5: So it really is like it's purest form, is the best.
Speaker 3: Pat way and the kids. By the way, there is
Speaker 3: certaint with utopian tribes in the Amazon that baptize their
Speaker 3: babies with ayahuasca. Mothers sit pregnant with ayahuasca. They you know,
Speaker 3: like there's the kids as young as they choose can
Speaker 3: sit in those ceremonies. And we don't believe that those
Speaker 3: plants are detrimental. I don't know how legally we can
Speaker 3: say that publicly, but I mean, the fact of the
Speaker 3: matter is we don't understand it. It's not studied. It's
Speaker 3: the closest thing to a real medicine we've ever come across.
Speaker 3: It's some hardcore shit. It's not a walk in the park,
Speaker 3: and you can't use it really to get high, but
Speaker 3: you can use it at too much of a frequency
Speaker 3: where you're not integrating and you're essentially like avoiding the
Speaker 3: earth thing. I'm sorry, johndn't want to say.
Speaker 2: Oh yeah, I was just gonna say, you know, as
Speaker 2: far as breaking things down and then bringing them into
Speaker 2: a lab and extracting certain components from it. That is,
Speaker 2: that goes against every single like alchemical that there is,
Speaker 2: because you know, it's like the idea of turning lead
Speaker 2: into gold. The idea behind that is, you know, it's
Speaker 2: behind like the what is it the Philosopher's stone or
Speaker 2: something like that, right where basically you're trying to gain
Speaker 2: immortality if I understand it correctly, that you're trying to
Speaker 2: take that lead, you know, the idea of turning lead
Speaker 2: to gold. You're trying to essentially not extract the essence
Speaker 2: in a sense, but like you're you're trying to like
Speaker 2: take the like transform the energy of the lead into
Speaker 2: the energy of the gold. And so it's like the
Speaker 2: spiritual essence of it that you're trying to like kind
Speaker 2: of create there if I'm if I understand that right.
Speaker 3: That's interesting. So because your your alchemy is turning suffering
Speaker 3: into enlightenment. That's the spiritual meaning. So, but what you're
Speaker 3: describing is actually the inversion of spiritual alchemy of suffering
Speaker 3: to enlightenment. You're you're essentially turning so you're trying to
Speaker 3: avoid the suffering through essentially a physical stimulant or a
Speaker 3: physical like uh, like just anything like a drug to
Speaker 3: essentially pull you away. Like that's why anything that's like
Speaker 3: a medicine like this, it's supposed to push you through.
Speaker 2: Uh one percent, dude, Because you know, I'm somebody, and
Speaker 2: I know that everybody has their own opinions on this.
Speaker 2: I don't. I didn't vaccinate my baby my baby's two
Speaker 2: and a half years old, because I don't. I don't
Speaker 2: know what are in you know, I don't know what
Speaker 2: chemicals and what kind of drugs that they're shooting your
Speaker 2: baby up on literally hours after birth. Like I don't.
Speaker 2: I don't trust that, And honestly, like COVID made me
Speaker 2: question all that shit. So thank god for COVID. I
Speaker 2: look at it. I look at it that way, you know,
Speaker 2: but nobody questions that. As a matter of fact, you're
Speaker 2: actually like deemed a looney tune if you don't vaccinate
Speaker 2: your kid. Meanwhile, everybody that gets their kids vaccinated, most
Speaker 2: of everybody, have no fucking clue about what the ingredients
Speaker 2: are in those damn poisons that they're injecting you. I mean,
Speaker 2: think about it, Like the idea of autism raising exponentially
Speaker 2: over the last twenty five thirty years and oh it
Speaker 2: seems to correlate with all these different vaccines that we're
Speaker 2: giving these babies upon their birth. And you know, so
Speaker 2: I'm I'm very against that kind of stuff. But what's
Speaker 2: very interesting is, you know, you had mentioned about how
Speaker 2: what was it like the babies in the Amazon basically
Speaker 2: doing ayahuasca. I never heard of that. That's pretty awesome.
Speaker 2: But we look at ayahuasca as if it's a drug,
Speaker 2: but we don't look at vaccines as if they're harmful
Speaker 2: drugs that are going into babies. So it's just weird
Speaker 2: that that social programming that we have that where this
Speaker 2: drug is okay and perfectly acceptable, whereas this drug, oh well,
Speaker 2: this is a psychedelic thing. We wouldn't want to give
Speaker 2: that to our kid, and that's a drug. It's like meanwhile,
Speaker 2: like we give our kids like cocoa pebbles and you know,
Speaker 2: tricks for kids, and like the sugar is a drug,
Speaker 2: you know, And it's like people wonder why all their
Speaker 2: kids are like EIGHTYHD like crazy. It's like, look at
Speaker 2: all the processed sugar you're giving them, Like, how is
Speaker 2: that not outlawed? But for some reason, whenever you have
Speaker 2: some kind of spiritual experience. Just because you just happened
Speaker 2: to light up a plant and smoke it, you know
Speaker 2: that now you're a drug addict or now you're doing
Speaker 2: something negative, and that is I guess the point that
Speaker 2: I'm trying to make is it's the misunderstanding and the
Speaker 2: social programming that have been kind of like put onto
Speaker 2: us to believe that certain things are bad and certain
Speaker 2: things are good only because you know, there's been some
Speaker 2: kind of spin from the media, from the schools, from whatever, however.
Speaker 2: You know, we were taught these things. It's just I
Speaker 2: think it's so important to do your own research and
Speaker 2: figure these things out for yourself, because if you don't,
Speaker 2: then you're always going to have an opinion that isn't
Speaker 2: even necessarily your own. And that's the scary part, you know,
Speaker 2: like whose opinions? Like how did I come up with
Speaker 2: these opinions that I think are mine even though I
Speaker 2: wasn't there to witness it. I wasn't there the you know,
Speaker 2: the moment that that thought or that opinion or whatever
Speaker 2: that fact or whatever was generated or created. It's just that, oh,
Speaker 2: I've leave this person, and this person wouldn't steer me wrong.
Speaker 2: So I'm just gonna believe it.
Speaker 4: It's like, bro, I.
Speaker 2: Don't even agree with myself half the time, like, let
Speaker 2: alone some random doctor. You know what I'm saying.
Speaker 5: Right, So, in regards to the children being baptized with ayahuasca,
Speaker 5: I just wanted to say, so, the babies aren't like
Speaker 5: drinking drinking ayahuasca. They literally take a thumbprint of the
Speaker 5: ayahuasca and literally put it on their tongue, so it's
Speaker 5: like a tiny, tiny bit. The children, I think, like
Speaker 5: later in life, can drink ayahuasca, but if they are,
Speaker 5: it's a very small amount. They're not drinking like an
Speaker 5: adult size.
Speaker 2: But wait, that's that's considered a baptism over there.
Speaker 5: Yeah yeah, And then because I mean that's the that's
Speaker 5: the teacher. It's a great teacher plant.
Speaker 3: And this is part of their community. They like sit weekly,
Speaker 3: almost like it's church for them. So if the kids
Speaker 3: decide to come to the cup and they have the
Speaker 3: caurage and they sit down, and of course they give
Speaker 3: them a tiny cup and they sit with their community,
Speaker 3: this is how their community connects. But it does show
Speaker 3: the way it's expressed in the tribe as very utopian
Speaker 3: and communal compared to what we have right now out
Speaker 3: and then just to speak to what you're saying just
Speaker 3: about how like there are you know that essentially our
Speaker 3: culture we live in a culture of hypocrisy, you know,
Speaker 3: like we talk about cocaine versus sugar. They do that
Speaker 3: Stanford study we always talk about every year. They do
Speaker 3: it where they put a mount of sugar and a
Speaker 3: mount of cocaine in a cage and they release the
Speaker 3: rats and they all go to the sugar, right And
Speaker 3: this is after getting them addicted to cocaine and sugar,
Speaker 3: and they go to the sugar which is stronger.
Speaker 4: Yeah, I've never heard of that. Man. I used to
Speaker 4: work in a sugar refinery. I could say, nothing eats
Speaker 4: that sugar. We never had to worry about rodents ever,
Speaker 4: we had to worry about like bugs, but raccoons and shit.
Speaker 4: They would make nests in the sugar. They wouldn't eat it.
Speaker 4: It was weird, you know.
Speaker 3: Yeah, I don't know. I mean, all I'll say is,
Speaker 3: and I can't say his name, but one of a
Speaker 3: close family friend is one of the sugar tycoons, like
Speaker 3: old sugar, like one of like the biggest and his
Speaker 3: wife sugar they have a personal chef and she only sugar.
Speaker 3: So he's a bigger dude and he does whatever he wants.
Speaker 3: But I mean the and then I mean, look, but
Speaker 3: it's really just to speak to there is a hypocrisy.
Speaker 3: We did a show called Awaken Underground. It was our
Speaker 3: first show, and it was a lot about pharmaceuticals versus psychedelics,
Speaker 3: and like I am a I obviously I'm a product
Speaker 3: of the medication generation, Like I was stuck on ady
Speaker 3: D meds as a kid, Like I am what happens
Speaker 3: when you start drugging a kid in his adolescence and
Speaker 3: telling him that the solution is in a pill he's
Speaker 3: going to take every day, and you know, and even
Speaker 3: coming to psychedelics, it was to heal those side effects
Speaker 3: and get back to a life without pharmaceuticals after over
Speaker 3: a decade. You know, it's there is a huge hypocrisy.
Speaker 3: And you know, I don't think like a lot of
Speaker 3: the things we're talking about in terms of the way
Speaker 3: to approach, whether it's cocaine or you know, intention dosage quality, frequency,
Speaker 3: you know, if you're using something chronically, you know, yeah,
Speaker 3: is using something ceremonially or intentionally to us it applies
Speaker 3: across all things what legal and not legal, you know.
Speaker 3: And I say that as a chronic coffee drinker.
Speaker 5: And also so thing with So I had an experience
Speaker 5: with ayahuasca that really shifted my entire reality around it.
Speaker 5: Because yes, in these ceremonies you can receive messages that
Speaker 5: can help you heal in your like your normal day life.
Speaker 5: But I had a physical healing inside of it. And
Speaker 5: it was at the end of the second night. Be
Speaker 5: is like a weekend thing. So at the end of
Speaker 5: the second night, everyone's up like dancing and stuff, and
Speaker 5: all of a sudden, I get like thrown back into
Speaker 5: the medicine and I wake up in my childhood living
Speaker 5: room like clear as day. And this is not a
Speaker 5: normal ayahuasca experience, Like I'm you don't travel into another room.
Speaker 5: But so I'm in my other room and this voice whisper,
Speaker 5: she's under the piano, go talk to her. And I
Speaker 5: was like, wait a second, what's going on? And I
Speaker 5: knew what was happening, So I'm going to tell you
Speaker 5: one second. So at this time, I had chronic back
Speaker 5: pain from a car accident that I had when I
Speaker 5: was eleven years old, and I started favoring one side
Speaker 5: of my body and gave myself scoliosis. She was hit
Speaker 5: by a mac yeah PG truck freeway got her, yeah,
Speaker 5: and I would have to like within you know, by
Speaker 5: around like noon, my back would seize up and I'd
Speaker 5: have to lay on the ground and tears would just
Speaker 5: start pouring out of my eyes because I was in
Speaker 5: so much constant pain. So in this ceremony, I appear
Speaker 5: my childhood child living room and they say she's under
Speaker 5: the piano. So I see my little five year old
Speaker 5: self under the grand piano that we had in our
Speaker 5: living room, and I crawl under there, and I knew
Speaker 5: exactly what was happening. So I knew that my child
Speaker 5: self was like holding in going to the bathroom because
Speaker 5: I was like ashamed of going to the bathroom. It
Speaker 5: was like, for some reason shameful, and so I had
Speaker 5: to go under there and talk to my little self
Speaker 5: and be like it's totally normal, it's fine, Like this
Speaker 5: isn't like somebody to be ashamed of or whatever. I
Speaker 5: pulled her out from nt of the piano and walked
Speaker 5: her to the bathroom, and as soon as I got
Speaker 5: to the bathroom door, I shot back into my body
Speaker 5: and start throwing up like giant chunks, like I mean,
Speaker 5: I had not eaten in at least twenty four hours,
Speaker 5: like purging, purging so much, and then on the last
Speaker 5: like purge, all of a sudden, my back goes and decompresses,
Speaker 5: and I was like, wait a second, no, no, no.
Speaker 5: I was like, there's absolutely no way that my back
Speaker 5: pain just went away. And it was like, you have
Speaker 5: to believe that you were healed. And since that day
Speaker 5: of doing that child work, I have not had any
Speaker 5: back pain like compulling John, don't seize up, nothing like that.
Speaker 5: And the wildest part is that, so we're sitting in
Speaker 5: this massive circle, right and the guy directly across from
Speaker 5: me during our sharing circle, he goes, yeah, He's like,
Speaker 5: I don't know why. I just started making up this
Speaker 5: song to teach my daughter about how to poop. And
Speaker 5: I'm like, I was like, what the hell because he
Speaker 5: had a little five year old girl, And it's really
Speaker 5: interesting that it was like my five year old self
Speaker 5: and he was teaching his daughter this song. He was
Speaker 5: going to go back and like teach her from his.
Speaker 3: Ceremony, and the most how crazy dude and the most
Speaker 3: fascinating thing is like the implications about what this means
Speaker 3: for reality. Yes, one she had as an illness from
Speaker 3: a car accident, a physical injury, okay, and it actually
Speaker 3: was a trauma around going to the bathroom and she
Speaker 3: spent her whole life going long. It was hit by
Speaker 3: a truck and this happenedess.
Speaker 5: But the thing that held onto that pain was like
Speaker 5: is if you look at like your your intestines, right,
Speaker 5: that's your lower back. It's just the other side of it.
Speaker 5: So apparently this like trauma, which a trauma for a
Speaker 5: child could be anything, because if they're scared of something
Speaker 5: that can traumatize them, you know, and like later in
Speaker 5: life they have to work back through it. And as
Speaker 5: an adult you might not think of it as a trauma,
Speaker 5: but as a child, it's traumatic, you know. And so
Speaker 5: it's really interesting to see these like things and it's like, wow,
Speaker 5: I can literally go back and parent myself and heal
Speaker 5: something in the physical.
Speaker 4: Were you trying to cure this when you when you said,
Speaker 4: like I know earlier y'all said it's all about intention, right,
Speaker 4: and I get that one thousand percent. Were you trying
Speaker 4: to heal yourself of this when you started this experience
Speaker 4: or was this just like an extra icing on the
Speaker 4: cake of what would have been already a pretty solid trip.
Speaker 5: Honestly, I didn't think it was possible. I had no
Speaker 5: idea that a physical ailment could be possibly healed in
Speaker 5: a nyahuasca ceremony, so I didn't even think of asking
Speaker 5: for that. But it just happened, and it was again.
Speaker 5: It was like the end of the medicine, Like everyone's
Speaker 5: out of the medicine and I get shot back into
Speaker 5: this other reality.
Speaker 3: And one of the things I love about that story
Speaker 3: is it shows another couple really fascinating things. Oh it's okay,
Speaker 3: I was getting a phone call.
Speaker 4: Sorry, are you good?
Speaker 5: Oh?
Speaker 3: Yeah, I gotcha, I got you. Hold on, I can see.
Speaker 4: Yes, it didn't pop up on our ends, So you're good.
Speaker 3: Zoom no not that.
Speaker 5: Ah, there you are.
Speaker 3: There you are as I was saying. One of the
Speaker 3: most fascinating things about that is it shows there's a
Speaker 3: couple implications about reality that from that story, and also
Speaker 3: shows sort of the protocols because there's only so much
Speaker 3: that those medicines can do. One of the things is
Speaker 3: that it guided her to do it, but she had
Speaker 3: to do it.
Speaker 5: I had to heal myself.
Speaker 3: Medicines don't heal you. They heal yourself, but you're invoking.
Speaker 3: There's the spirit they call her grandmother and mother ayahuasca,
Speaker 3: and it's very obvious, this like feminine interdimensional tour guide
Speaker 3: that's like shows up and is super intimidating, like uh,
Speaker 3: and he is kind of like super loving, really funny
Speaker 3: and like hardcore, like don't like no nonsense. That's why
Speaker 3: they call it Grandina. She's like, she's like damon, like
Speaker 3: an old hag. Yeah, dude, yeah, Yeah, it's intense, but
Speaker 3: she had to heal herself. She was the guide and
Speaker 3: she told her what to do and she went and
Speaker 3: did it. And then the other Yeah, the other thing
Speaker 3: I already said, which is sort of that it's a
Speaker 3: it was a truck, but it was linked to this
Speaker 3: this uh this trauma. And then the third thing is
Speaker 3: the telepathic quality of it. And I'm sure you've all
Speaker 3: heard the stories about when anthropologists in America first discovered ayahuasca.
Speaker 3: They wanted to call the chemical compound harming telepithon because
Speaker 3: they believed it gave was giving the people in the
Speaker 3: circles telepathy. So what happens in the circle is she's
Speaker 3: having a healing, and across from her, a guy is
Speaker 3: getting downloaded a song for his daughter about how not
Speaker 3: being afraid to poop and what. And dude, the craziest
Speaker 3: thing is what a circle is. When you're doing these circles,
Speaker 3: because it can be one person, two people, what we
Speaker 3: call them ceremonial technologies. When you circle up, you are
Speaker 3: essentially agreeing upon this law that we're all connected, and
Speaker 3: you are essentially agreeing to essentially engage on an evolved
Speaker 3: consciousness where you are experiencing not just altered states, but
Speaker 3: extra sensory perception. And the healing is not done individually,
Speaker 3: it's done collectively in these ceremonies you and it's as
Speaker 3: as reels we're talking to you now. Actually it's as
Speaker 3: it's real, it's real earth, right. There are moments where
Speaker 3: someone is brought to a mat or something gets happens,
Speaker 3: or the whole circle is brought to the same point
Speaker 3: on their own individual journey. It could be an energy
Speaker 3: of blust greed, and you start going like spiritual warfare,
Speaker 3: just like Jacob says, going to fucking war You are
Speaker 3: sitting there sweating and purging and shaking and you're like
Speaker 3: it is water and you're there with thirty warriors, just
Speaker 3: fucking moving this energy, not for yourself in the world.
Speaker 3: And that's why it's so funny, because we have these conversations.
Speaker 3: Everyone's like ask these questions and we're like they do.
Speaker 3: It's a fight's fucking in Saturday. You get in there,
Speaker 3: it's insane. Everyone's in white and like like war paint
Speaker 3: on and you're just fucking like sweating and crying and shaking,
Speaker 3: and it's like, what is happening? What is reality? But sorry,
Speaker 3: I'm done.
Speaker 2: No, that's that's really cool though. I mean, I've actually
Speaker 2: kind of been scared to even try iyahuasca because there
Speaker 2: was actually, uh, one of my friends from like whenever
Speaker 2: I was in high school, he had told me about
Speaker 2: this story and he said he was actually planning on
Speaker 2: coming on the show and talking about it. But he goes, no,
Speaker 2: I don't even want to. He didn't even want to,
Speaker 2: like it scared him that much, but he had. I
Speaker 2: guess he grew up in a religious home and then
Speaker 2: stepped away for a little while and then got back
Speaker 2: to like his religious ways, and then he was like,
Speaker 2: you know what, I really kind of want to come
Speaker 2: face to face with God, and I hear a lot
Speaker 2: of other people trying ayahuasca and they're able to essentially
Speaker 2: be in the in that kind of presence or something
Speaker 2: like that, and so he went. I think it was actually,
Speaker 2: like he explained, it was like this mansion place somewhere
Speaker 2: in Florida that was doing ayahuasca ceremonies and you go
Speaker 2: for like two or three days, and whenever you're there,
Speaker 2: you know, like there's a bunch of people, and then
Speaker 2: there's you know, the shamans, the teachers, the guiders or whatever,
Speaker 2: and so you would, I guess he he partook in
Speaker 2: the ayahuasca ceremony and he goes, at first it was
Speaker 2: really awesome, like it was amazing, like he was able
Speaker 2: to see like another world, almost like a fairy world,
Speaker 2: is what he was describing. But then what he noticed
Speaker 2: is is that he started to feel like this overwhelming
Speaker 2: sense of fear, and that fear started almost like manifesting
Speaker 2: these little I guess like machine elves or something like
Speaker 2: that that were all pointing at him and laughing at
Speaker 2: him and making him go like super internal and and
Speaker 2: you know the little elves are just like you. You
Speaker 2: say that you're you know, you're this hardcore believing Christian
Speaker 2: and you believe in God, yet you still need to
Speaker 2: find some kind of proof for it. And you know
Speaker 2: what an idiot you are. And they're just like dog
Speaker 2: in him the entire time. And he goes, Dude, I mean,
Speaker 2: I don't know how it is for everybody else, but
Speaker 2: it's like, you know, the it lasted for like hours
Speaker 2: and hours and hours from what he was saying, it's
Speaker 2: very exhausting, and and he goes, you know, and I
Speaker 2: don't really know what to make of that, Like, is
Speaker 2: that you know, God or Jesus or somebody just like
Speaker 2: punishing me because I went in search for them. And
Speaker 2: I was like, bro, I don't think that that's what's
Speaker 2: going on at all. But that's the way he interpreted it.
Speaker 2: And he goes, I wouldn't suggest anybody try it because
Speaker 2: it is the realest shit ever and then it will
Speaker 2: stick with you for the longest time. And I mean,
Speaker 2: what do you make of that story? Do you think
Speaker 2: that maybe there's just more to the story that he
Speaker 2: didn't want to dive into. What do you think?
Speaker 5: Well, so it's very classic there, so it's sort of
Speaker 5: like machineel things they do make fun of you. They
Speaker 5: poke fun at you in order to provoke something inside
Speaker 5: of you, though, because there's a piece of you. Whatever
Speaker 5: they're making fun of you for, is something inside of
Speaker 5: you that you're not willing to face, what you're taking
Speaker 5: yourself too seriously about. So they're trying to bring a
Speaker 5: lightness to it. And so they they're fucking hilarious, Like
Speaker 5: they literally just make fun of you, and you're just
Speaker 5: they're just trolling you the whole time. You're like, are
Speaker 5: you They're like string.
Speaker 3: Levity to your So look, you don't clean the clean
Speaker 3: part of your house, you clean the dirty part. So
Speaker 3: people's shadow it's the part you're not willing to look at.
Speaker 3: You're not willing to look at to get closer to God.
Speaker 3: That you went on a journey which was an expression
Speaker 3: of your lack of faith in God. And even if
Speaker 3: that wasn't the thing that's making fun of it's just
Speaker 3: pushing on him, it's just challenging him. The fact of
Speaker 3: the matter is that was his fear, so it had
Speaker 3: to come to the surface to move And honestly, that
Speaker 3: was probably the most genous, gentle way she could have
Speaker 3: brought that wound to the surface out of all the
Speaker 3: things we've had to go through.
Speaker 5: Usually, they take you to the pits of hell and
Speaker 5: like say, you're like, you're like you have no self love, right,
Speaker 5: You're like, I want to learn self love. They're going
Speaker 5: to take you to the pits of hell where you're like,
Speaker 5: I'm the worthless piece of shit and you're at the
Speaker 5: bottom and you're just like, oh, I should die. And
Speaker 5: then it's like, wait a second, that's not my thoughts.
Speaker 5: And then you come back up and you're like, wait
Speaker 5: a second.
Speaker 3: It was all Alie, I don't know if you're gonna
Speaker 3: willing to go here, but I'm gonna let you decide that.
Speaker 3: I'm gonna prop you up a little bit. There's it's true.
Speaker 3: It's true. It's true. So okay, so so okay. So
Speaker 3: also again, like I said, there's an art and a
Speaker 3: science to this, Like this is sort of like you're
Speaker 3: dealing with like almost like a tourus like stepping into
Speaker 3: his experience and being like I'm gonna face this, and
Speaker 3: he got given a very light like jabbing, like being
Speaker 3: made fun of, like in a playful way. It's sort
Speaker 3: of uncomfortable to fear it's closing in on me, like
Speaker 3: you know, and he was there to move that fear
Speaker 3: by feeling that fear. The only way out is through
Speaker 3: there's no way you have to go. The pain is
Speaker 3: the path you have to go through that shit, right,
Speaker 3: So there is a level and that's an individual thing.
Speaker 3: But there are people who are so strong, who are
Speaker 3: so brave, who are so fucking like ah in their
Speaker 3: convictions when it comes to who they are, who what
Speaker 3: they they believe in that they can go deeper in
Speaker 3: to the point where it's beyond themselves and they're projecting
Speaker 3: into the field of consciousness to heal others and also
Speaker 3: the world. And I'm gonna give you a little story
Speaker 3: about this. By the way, this girl, Tanya, she puts
Speaker 3: me to shame when it comes to this type of
Speaker 3: work because I'm always like, I get to a point
Speaker 3: and I'm like, nah, then all right, just done now,
Speaker 3: and I just feel like and then I look over
Speaker 3: her and she's like, oh, like wretching in a bucket, Tanya,
Speaker 3: If you're comfortable, its very personal story.
Speaker 5: What story?
Speaker 3: So when you healed the okay, would you be willing
Speaker 3: to tell the story about the night that it was
Speaker 3: your second round of ceremonies where you were getting put
Speaker 3: on comhh oh.
Speaker 5: Yeah yeah yeah okay, oh yeah yeah yeah, okay.
Speaker 2: Let's go there.
Speaker 5: Okay, yeah this is some show, so h okay. So
Speaker 5: this was my third my third, like so I third
Speaker 5: ceremony that with this medicine, Yeah, with ayahuasca. So I
Speaker 5: my favorite thing about ayahuasca is like the visuals and
Speaker 5: being there and talking to these beings and getting all this.
Speaker 5: I love it. I love the work. I love the
Speaker 5: like the hardness of it. I'm just like, get me more.
Speaker 5: I'm here, let's fucking do it. So this ceremony, I
Speaker 5: get knocked on conscious I'm just asleep and I wake
Speaker 5: up at the end and they're done with the ceremony,
Speaker 5: and I'm like, no, no, I paid all this money,
Speaker 5: like oh my god, like we I didn't get anything
Speaker 5: out of this. Are you fucking kidding?
Speaker 3: Often it was very special.
Speaker 5: I was like, I was like, are you kidding me?
Speaker 5: Right now? I like I came here for like one reason.
Speaker 5: I was so pissed. So the next night, same thing happens.
Speaker 5: I get knocked out, but I wake up maybe like
Speaker 5: an hour or two later, and I'm pissed and I'm
Speaker 5: like yelling at spirit. I'm like, why are you doing
Speaker 5: this to me? Like I came here to get worked on.
Speaker 5: I'm like I want to I want to fucking do this.
Speaker 5: I'm like, I spent money and.
Speaker 4: I took the time real quick. When you say you're
Speaker 4: knocked out, do you mean like you go into a
Speaker 4: deep sleep, or do you mean like you see the
Speaker 4: fractals and you at least feel the vibes, or you're like, actually,
Speaker 4: you just went to sleep.
Speaker 5: Asleep like sotep. And I was asleep, so I hire
Speaker 5: first night and this one I slept for a couple
Speaker 5: of hours. I woke up just was so pissed, and
Speaker 5: then all of a sudden, this like voice comes in
Speaker 5: and I see she's yelling.
Speaker 3: The second night, she gets put out again after like
Speaker 3: begging for it.
Speaker 5: I know you skipped over it. And when she woke
Speaker 5: herself up, yeah, it was like two hours into the
Speaker 5: second night, I like woke my see.
Speaker 4: Piece.
Speaker 5: I was so mad and so all of a sudden,
Speaker 5: this voice comes over me and this like my look
Speaker 5: at my Matt, and this like face appears and it
Speaker 5: literally looks at me and it goes, you don't think
Speaker 5: we're here, like you don't realize what we're doing behind
Speaker 5: the scenes. But you know what, like you're gonna be
Speaker 5: like a brat about it, We'll show you why we
Speaker 5: put you to sleep, and literally throws me into the
Speaker 5: medicine and I have to like relive sexual trauma, sexual
Speaker 5: like molestations, all this stuff from different all the people
Speaker 5: in my families that had to deal with it. I
Speaker 5: had to literally like enter the bodies of every fucking child,
Speaker 5: every person as they're going through these traumas. And I'm
Speaker 5: like freaking the fuck out because I'm like bawling and
Speaker 5: my body is like shaking, and it feels like I'm
Speaker 5: being like assaulted over and over and over and over again.
Speaker 3: Every victim of assault.
Speaker 5: Was yeah, it goes through it goes through your genetic line.
Speaker 5: So like epigenetics, like anything that happens from your mother
Speaker 5: or your father is going to pass down from you,
Speaker 5: and even if you don't experience it, there's going to
Speaker 5: be a part of you that still holds onto that.
Speaker 5: We talk about this study with the rats with the
Speaker 5: rose blossom, So they used so they would spray rose
Speaker 5: blossom in this cage with these rats, and then as
Speaker 5: soon as they would smell the rose blossom, they would
Speaker 5: shock them, right, and so the rats would freak out
Speaker 5: every time they smelled rose blossom. They waited a couple
Speaker 5: generations and without shocking them, without rose blossom, So like
Speaker 5: three generations later, they spray rose blossom in the cage
Speaker 5: and all of the rats freak out. They've never experienced
Speaker 5: the shock, They've never experienced anything, but the epigenetics through
Speaker 5: their lineage has brought this trauma in. So it was
Speaker 5: making me. Literally what it was doing is that it
Speaker 5: you can help heal. It's like when people say you're
Speaker 5: breaking curses in your family, right, you're breaking ancestral trauma
Speaker 5: in your family. You're like, no, everyone was an alcoholic,
Speaker 5: everyone was abused, everyone was whatever. I'm breaking it my
Speaker 5: generation and it will never pass me. It is a choice.
Speaker 5: So in this there are though epigenetics, there are things
Speaker 5: that are like inside of us that these medicines, these
Speaker 5: technologies can change your genetics so it doesn't get passed down.
Speaker 5: And that's what was happening, and it knocked me out,
Speaker 5: so I didn't have to experience it as it was
Speaker 5: doing this work. But I was being a brat and
Speaker 5: being like I don't know what your experience or whatever,
Speaker 5: but it made me actually feel it. It was the
Speaker 5: hardest ceremony I've ever been through my entire life. I
Speaker 5: wanted out so bad. I was just sitting there like
Speaker 5: convulsing and like vomiting and crying and like could not
Speaker 5: get out of it.
Speaker 3: It was terrible to sort of speak to your friend's
Speaker 3: experience and say, the deeper depths they will. That was
Speaker 3: very actually light what he was getting. And it is weird, dude,
Speaker 3: it is not. It is not like like we talk
Speaker 3: about it like it is magic and it is real,
Speaker 3: but it is so farign It is strange and it
Speaker 3: is uncomfortable and it is like not easy, and we
Speaker 3: really try to push that, but the magic is so real,
Speaker 3: and so that's why it's like, well he was getting
Speaker 3: like that was actually a very basic protocol. When I
Speaker 3: see someone like her that gets put through that, I
Speaker 3: am like shook it. I'm like, damn, girl, you fucking
Speaker 3: go hard because you can be used to proxy. I've
Speaker 3: seen people proxy for the Earth, for the pain of
Speaker 3: the Earth, and like, I mean you're looking at someone
Speaker 3: just fucking like almost like an axisism, and you're like
Speaker 3: and they'll tell you the story and people we know,
Speaker 3: so we.
Speaker 5: Know that family too, like my mother sits.
Speaker 3: You can proxy and it's crazy they talk about shamanism
Speaker 3: whatever you want to call it. We call it just
Speaker 3: being a human and just hacking consciousness. Where but we
Speaker 3: can proxy for people in ceremony. So if someone can't
Speaker 3: move something like they're not used to it or they're resisting,
Speaker 3: you as an individual can volunteer to transfer it onto
Speaker 3: you to move it. We don't do it anymore because
Speaker 3: we get sick from it.
Speaker 5: And it's happened before. There was a guy who There
Speaker 5: was a guy in a ceremony who had that way.
Speaker 5: He was an addict, and the facilitator was like, hey, everybody,
Speaker 5: we just need everybody's attention right now in the center.
Speaker 5: We're going to do a healing on somebody in the center.
Speaker 5: And this guy was you know, they were trying to
Speaker 5: break this this sort of like lineage of addiction inside
Speaker 5: of him so he wouldn't go back to using, and
Speaker 5: for some reason, like all of a sudden, my hands
Speaker 5: and feet like went out to him and I started
Speaker 5: crying so deeply, like the most guttural, painful crying ever.
Speaker 5: And later he told me that he was when they
Speaker 5: were doing the healing on him, he like felt so
Speaker 5: like bottled up and he couldn't release what needed to
Speaker 5: be released, and he was like, you were doing it
Speaker 5: for me. He was like, I knew that the energy
Speaker 5: was going through you, and like I was like purging
Speaker 5: this stuff out. It was so wild and that actually
Speaker 5: that night I heard the trumpets those trumpets are talking about.
Speaker 5: After after he had that healing, I went outside and
Speaker 5: loud as can be. We're in the middle of nowhere,
Speaker 5: like there's nothing around there, and I was like, I've
Speaker 5: heard it too, and probably like one o'clock in the
Speaker 5: morning or something like that, I've heard it.
Speaker 3: It was like both my head and it was just horns,
Speaker 3: and then I ignored it. Actually I got scared.
Speaker 5: It sounds angelic though, yeah, but it was scary.
Speaker 3: You know.
Speaker 6: It's like, wait, are those horns coming from yes? Yes,
Speaker 6: you know you feel you're tripping.
Speaker 3: Yeah.
Speaker 2: It feels like it's coming from outside of you, but
Speaker 2: also inside, like coming from in in like the inside
Speaker 2: of you almost. I know that. Whenever I experienced it,
Speaker 2: it was like, uh, and I've said this a million times,
Speaker 2: but I'll just tell y'all. But i've whenever I experienced it,
Speaker 2: I took like a super heavy dosage of my but uh,
Speaker 2: I just heard elohim eloheem, almost as if like a
Speaker 2: trumpet had a voice that could say words. And then
Speaker 2: for just some reason, I knew that I could ask
Speaker 2: it questions, and I don't know, I was just like,
Speaker 2: am I supposed to ask you questions or something? I'm
Speaker 2: tripping at this time, like I don't know what the
Speaker 2: fuck is real, you know, And but at the moment
Speaker 2: I was like, oh well, let me try and just
Speaker 2: ask it questions. And as I'm asking it questions, before
Speaker 2: I'm even done with the question, the fucking answer is
Speaker 2: popping into my head. And it is the trippiest, wildest
Speaker 2: experience maybe ever that i've It was definitely my first.
Speaker 2: It was my wildest experience up to that point in
Speaker 2: my life.
Speaker 3: It's more real than real life. And like this is
Speaker 3: if there's any the whole reason we created asked for
Speaker 3: squares is kind of what Jacob was saying before. Like Jacob,
Speaker 3: you said that, like you had this experience, and even
Speaker 3: people within your own community, other Christians are saying like,
Speaker 3: oh if that happened to you, that mean like that's
Speaker 3: what the profits. That's you know, that would mean you
Speaker 3: you would be a prophet and this and that the
Speaker 3: fact of the matter is and like this is honestly,
Speaker 3: if there's anything negative that comes from certain religions, it's
Speaker 3: that humans don't have these capabilities. And we talk a
Speaker 3: lot about on our show about disclosure, and it can
Speaker 3: always tend to come back to aliens and UFOs, but
Speaker 3: disclosure is spiritual disclosure. It's a disclosure of the self. Again,
Speaker 3: like and that is that everything that's in the Bible,
Speaker 3: all these things, not everything, but there are a lot
Speaker 3: of extrasensory perceptions and experiences that can be invoked, like
Speaker 3: divine experiences that can be vote invoked and initiated through
Speaker 3: these certain practices.
Speaker 5: And like humans can do it. They just have to
Speaker 5: tap in the tools and.
Speaker 3: Know that there are certain techniques that you can and
Speaker 3: certain things you can do, things you can read, rituals
Speaker 3: you can do. And I know there's like, oh, it's
Speaker 3: a cult, it's pagan, it's it's it's Christian.
Speaker 6: I want to throwing this is like it's it's so
Speaker 6: it's not complicated, Like as long as you're working with
Speaker 6: God and you're not abusing any of the medicines.
Speaker 3: You're doing it in a safe way. You want it
Speaker 3: best to do it in a legal way. Goes somewhere
Speaker 3: where it's legal.
Speaker 4: You know.
Speaker 3: Don't do anything your mother wouldn't do. Tell your mother.
Speaker 3: I bring my mom to all of my ceremonies, you know.
Speaker 3: And I'm not kidding, you know, but I it's you
Speaker 3: can do this shit like it's not. And I feel
Speaker 3: like more than ever, people are waking up to this
Speaker 3: truth because people like yourself on your show are sharing it.
Speaker 2: And no, I actually feel the same way. And I
Speaker 2: used to, you know, Jacob being Christian, me not being
Speaker 2: that way. We used to get into arguments, like heated
Speaker 2: debates over like what's what's the truth and what's real
Speaker 2: and what's fiction and stuff like that. And I think
Speaker 2: that just over time, I've been trying to transform my
Speaker 2: mind to try and become more understanding rather than judgmental.
Speaker 2: And so he would say, you know, there are things
Speaker 2: in the Bible where God sees us as unclean rag
Speaker 2: or the idea that we're just humans and you know, angels.
Speaker 2: We can never be angels. We couldn't be spirits or
Speaker 2: anything like that because we're human in a sense, I'm
Speaker 2: putting mores in your mouth, but you get the roundabout it, jes.
Speaker 4: So keep in mind God sees us as higher than angels,
Speaker 4: just right, clear. So yeah, it's very clearly defined, right.
Speaker 4: Angels have no free will. They are servants that have
Speaker 4: to do as are told. He made them for a
Speaker 4: certain purpose. He took extra time to give humans free
Speaker 4: will and gave us the gift of life. And yes,
Speaker 4: life is finite and not talk about reincarnation. This physical existence.
Speaker 4: We have an end date, which makes every second more precious.
Speaker 4: Angels don't have that. We are of a higher realm
Speaker 4: than angels in God's eyes, but we are also born
Speaker 4: into sin. We are as unclean rags quote unquote. What
Speaker 4: I mean by that is that you're never going to
Speaker 4: do enough to counteract the bad that you've done, the
Speaker 4: ying and the yang of that. That might work in
Speaker 4: a human perspective, but we as humans will never be
Speaker 4: all pure, all good, because even if we did something
Speaker 4: ten years ago and we're a better person now, we
Speaker 4: still at one time did something ten years ago, and
Speaker 4: that stain is on the record regardless. That's why we
Speaker 4: need a savior to come and wash that record clean anyway, detracting.
Speaker 4: Moving on, So, basically the idea that I've kind of
Speaker 4: taken on this identity of understanding is that basically, yes,
Speaker 4: I do believe that humans are as unclean rags in
Speaker 4: the eyes of God in a sense, because.
Speaker 2: You know, we do human things. We're animalistic in nature
Speaker 2: in that kind of sense. But whenever you are able
Speaker 2: to rise like almost like raise your own consciousness or
Speaker 2: get to that meditative state, or become in union with
Speaker 2: God and understand that everything around you is more than
Speaker 2: just this physical reality that we always thought that it was.
Speaker 2: You know, it's like think about it like this. Everybody
Speaker 2: knows the name Buddha, right, nobody knows what his real
Speaker 2: name was. I mean, unless you look it up. I
Speaker 2: just looked it up because I forgot what it was.
Speaker 5: Right.
Speaker 2: His name is Siddhartha Guatama. I'm probably even butchering that.
Speaker 2: But the reason is is because he ascended to this
Speaker 2: Buddhist nature, this like divine understanding. And that's sid Arthur that.
Speaker 4: Like everybody can become a Buddha. That's more like saying
Speaker 4: a guru. Like somebody's name isn't guru. It's like a
Speaker 4: thing that you're trying to attain to become a Buddha.
Speaker 2: Yeah, in a sense, it's kind of like a title.
Speaker 2: But initially he was like the first one, right, And
Speaker 2: so the point that I'm trying to make is is
Speaker 2: that his human self is Siddartha Guatama and his ascended
Speaker 2: self or his higher vibratory self, that he understood that
Speaker 2: he wasn't even a self anymore, like what is a
Speaker 2: self whenever you're just mixing into the rest of the
Speaker 2: matrix and becoming one with God. That was like his
Speaker 2: name Buddha at that sense, right, And so I understand
Speaker 2: or at least I'm coming to the understanding that like, yes,
Speaker 2: this physical nature that we exist in, it is sinful.
Speaker 2: In nature, it is dirty, It is as unclean rags
Speaker 2: until you know, you kind of join forces with the
Speaker 2: good forces in a sense, and you know, whether that
Speaker 2: be through prayer or meditation or you know, plant medicine, ceremonies,
Speaker 2: or maybe you figure it out in a dream or
Speaker 2: something like that, Like it's something that almost exists outside
Speaker 2: of your physical reality that you can then become and
Speaker 2: almost like attach yourself to that and stop feeding so
Speaker 2: much into the animalistic nature that it is to be
Speaker 2: a human and wanting to consume and wanting to you know,
Speaker 2: fuck all the time, and like all these kind of
Speaker 2: things like that, I understand now why the human is
Speaker 2: as dirty as an unclean rag at that point, you
Speaker 2: know what I mean, Yeah, under And I mean.
Speaker 3: Like looks like it's like there's a spiritual system update
Speaker 3: and where we because we have the law free will,
Speaker 3: we are resisting the system update. And it's like the
Speaker 3: creator loves its creation so much that it's going to
Speaker 3: let you choose when to be installed in the system.
Speaker 3: But you have to willingly choose with your free will
Speaker 3: to install into this higher intelligence. And you know, I
Speaker 3: think that the thing because totally everything you said about
Speaker 3: the Buddha like spot on, And you know there's people
Speaker 3: that say that about Christ as that the word Christ
Speaker 3: is actually a state of consciousness. People talk about Christ
Speaker 3: and conscious like the drawings they'll do of like enlightenment
Speaker 3: the sun like some people say that, and you know
Speaker 3: that it is you can achieve a Christ did conscious.
Speaker 3: Obviously that can be very heretical, Jacob, I don't mean
Speaker 3: it in that way, no, but to you know, one
Speaker 3: of the things too, which is interesting is we feel
Speaker 3: like we are sort of stuck in this game of
Speaker 3: semantics and we keep getting caught in these linguistic traps
Speaker 3: and they're separating us, which is very tower of babble, Jacob.
Speaker 3: But like even you're talking about sin, like if you
Speaker 3: go to the origin of the word sin, it means
Speaker 3: to miss the mark.
Speaker 2: Yeah, I mean if so much of.
Speaker 3: Us actually interpreted that those teachings as sin. Sometimes sin's
Speaker 3: like so heavy, but to miss the mark, it's like
Speaker 3: now we're talking about like it just a little off,
Speaker 3: just a little keep going, just a little off, so
Speaker 3: much more nurturing and so much more less, a little
Speaker 3: less heavy.
Speaker 5: And also like training, it's like missing the mark. If
Speaker 5: you're like shooting a bow and arrow and you miss
Speaker 5: the mark, you try again, and you like aim a
Speaker 5: different way and you like stand, do your stance a
Speaker 5: little bit different or whatever it is. So it's the
Speaker 5: same thing with life. No matter what, all of us
Speaker 5: are going to do stuff that fucks up and stumbles
Speaker 5: and just whatever. But we if we don't, you know,
Speaker 5: end up hurting ourselves. We can continue forward and like
Speaker 5: try to adjust.
Speaker 4: Yeah, And it's life is a journey. One percent.
Speaker 2: Gotta dig it. Life's a garden, you know, Right, So Joe.
Speaker 4: Dear Tay told us what you said, Joe did He's
Speaker 4: saying Life's of garden. You gotta dig it. I'm like,
Speaker 4: that's right, That's what Joe Deartay told us.
Speaker 5: You know.
Speaker 3: What's interesting is like we've learned a lot of different practices,
Speaker 3: a lot of different like teachings. And we can't say
Speaker 3: this for certain because obviously we can't say much for certain,
Speaker 3: but like we've even come to believe that, like it
Speaker 3: seems that there are like almost like energetic pathways that
Speaker 3: are built between different cultures or unities of different things
Speaker 3: they use. Some people call them like mantras or things
Speaker 3: like that. And when we use like a healing practice
Speaker 3: or a meditation, like there was a certain point where
Speaker 3: we started we were taught teaching around using the term
Speaker 3: raw and we would do this sort of like raw channeling,
Speaker 3: and it was a very strong channel and it made
Speaker 3: us go, oh, wow, is this like Egypt like because
Speaker 3: that is a very old teaching and they have this
Speaker 3: like path to God, you know, and you know, and
Speaker 3: we don't we don't know this because we're not you know,
Speaker 3: we're not devout Christians. But like we could see the
Speaker 3: same thing there with Christianity, and that there is a
Speaker 3: very thick channel because of all these people that I
Speaker 3: practiced this. You know, I think at the end of
Speaker 3: the day, like we're all talking about the same thing,
Speaker 3: we're just calling it different things, and you know, kind
Speaker 3: of like debating like the right and wrong, you know, to.
Speaker 4: A garbage Definitely is that.
Speaker 2: Definitely it does.
Speaker 5: Everyone is literally talking about the exact same thing. They
Speaker 5: just have different names, and the game of semantics is
Speaker 5: like got us all tangled up instead of working together.
Speaker 5: It's like it's so it's just like guys were just
Speaker 5: on floating rock in space. Can we all just chill
Speaker 5: for a second.
Speaker 3: Have you heard the parable of like the ape, blind
Speaker 3: Man and the Elephant? Have you heard this?
Speaker 4: Yeah, yeah, yeah, no doubt. They're like one person's on
Speaker 4: the trunk, one person's on the tail, one person's on
Speaker 4: the foot, and they're all saying they're they're touching an elephant,
Speaker 4: and it's like, y'all are all so far off base,
Speaker 4: but at the same time so on the mark, right.
Speaker 3: So it's like, so it's like life is like the
Speaker 3: tail describes tale. Their life is like the trunk or
Speaker 3: God's like the trunk, God's like the tail. Just have
Speaker 3: the tail, God's like the League describes the League and
Speaker 3: the ape blind men fight with each other over what
Speaker 3: God is, by what part they can perceive, until they
Speaker 3: fight and kill each other. And ultimately the story is
Speaker 3: is that God designed us so we wouldn't have the
Speaker 3: full picture. We were incapable, and we had to work
Speaker 3: together to understand the full completion of the picture. So
Speaker 3: it's like it's almost like our limitation is a part
Speaker 3: of the program to force us to listen and work together.
Speaker 3: And that is the ultimate point here.
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