WEBVTT 1 00:00:00.160 --> 00:01:27.239 Oh, well, thats are. 2 00:00:44.920 --> 00:00:48.920 Hello and welcome to the show. This is the Cult 3 00:00:49.079 --> 00:00:52.799 of Conspiracy and my name is Jonathan, I'm Jake, and 4 00:00:52.840 --> 00:00:56.920 today we have two very awesome guests, Tanya and Cody 5 00:00:57.000 --> 00:01:00.359 from Acid for Squares Podcast. Welcome to the SHO show. 6 00:01:01.159 --> 00:01:02.679 What's Oh? 7 00:01:05.079 --> 00:01:06.959 I'm glad that my camera's not the only one that 8 00:01:07.000 --> 00:01:08.879 does that. Whenever I do a thumbs up Mike, because 9 00:01:08.879 --> 00:01:10.599 I'm using my phone as my camera, the thumbs up 10 00:01:10.599 --> 00:01:13.439 will sometimes pop up. I can't make shit happen like that. 11 00:01:13.760 --> 00:01:15.680 It doesn't accidentally when I don't want it to. 12 00:01:15.719 --> 00:01:18.280 It's at what's happening. We just think the universe is 13 00:01:18.280 --> 00:01:19.560 telling us we're doing a good job. 14 00:01:20.439 --> 00:01:21.280 Stick with that. 15 00:01:21.760 --> 00:01:26.120 Stick with that. That works. Yeah, well, look, I love 16 00:01:26.319 --> 00:01:29.480 your guys' show. I've been kind of following your content 17 00:01:29.519 --> 00:01:32.040 here for a little while, and I love the topics 18 00:01:32.079 --> 00:01:34.599 that you guys uh talk about and some of the 19 00:01:34.640 --> 00:01:37.000 guests that you guys get on. We were talking a 20 00:01:37.000 --> 00:01:40.120 little bit before about how you had Darryl Lanka aka 21 00:01:40.280 --> 00:01:44.079 bshar on the show. I'm not gonna lie. I've been 22 00:01:44.079 --> 00:01:46.920 following him for quite a long time and one of 23 00:01:46.959 --> 00:01:49.760 my favorite people to listen to, but then he had 24 00:01:49.799 --> 00:01:52.040 to dip his toes into politics, and I said, no, 25 00:01:52.480 --> 00:01:54.680 why are you doing this, Daryl, Why do you got 26 00:01:54.680 --> 00:01:57.480 to do this to me? But but I'm sure that's 27 00:01:57.680 --> 00:02:00.400 that's not all who he is. That's just one thing 28 00:02:00.439 --> 00:02:03.439 that people are pointing out. So just out of curiosity, like, 29 00:02:03.480 --> 00:02:07.079 how was your conversation with the almighty Darrel a longa. 30 00:02:08.080 --> 00:02:10.759 Yeah, I mean Darryl. First of all, we've been following 31 00:02:10.840 --> 00:02:14.039 him forever as well, so we we love Bashar's teachings. 32 00:02:14.039 --> 00:02:18.000 I think we think he's absolutely incredible. We do wish though, 33 00:02:18.039 --> 00:02:19.719 that we would have asked him because it was right 34 00:02:19.800 --> 00:02:22.879 after that had just happened, right after you know, Bishar 35 00:02:23.000 --> 00:02:26.879 had said something about politics and so, which usually isn't 36 00:02:26.919 --> 00:02:29.039 touched upon. So it was the first time that we 37 00:02:29.120 --> 00:02:30.960 kind of wish that we would have asked the question. 38 00:02:31.080 --> 00:02:34.680 Yeah, we avoided it because it's so divisive. Everyone's so 39 00:02:34.919 --> 00:02:38.120 polarized and picking teams and shit, like you can't have 40 00:02:38.159 --> 00:02:41.479 a conversation about anything without politically without people freaking out. 41 00:02:42.000 --> 00:02:44.159 We wish we have some friends that are like good, 42 00:02:44.680 --> 00:02:46.599 You're like, come on, man, like you gotta you have 43 00:02:46.680 --> 00:02:49.560 him on. But yeah, I mean we followed him forever. 44 00:02:49.719 --> 00:02:53.319 He's become a friend of ours at this point, we 45 00:02:53.639 --> 00:02:56.599 you know, and we feel like he's one of the cleanest, 46 00:02:56.840 --> 00:03:02.159 purest channels that we've ever come across. And yeah, I 47 00:03:02.199 --> 00:03:06.120 mean like we that interview was was was amazing. It 48 00:03:06.159 --> 00:03:07.680 was amazing to do the interview, and we have other 49 00:03:07.719 --> 00:03:10.240 stuff planned for him. We're working with the neuroscientists at 50 00:03:10.319 --> 00:03:13.599 UCLA to do a show where we like hook him 51 00:03:13.680 --> 00:03:16.319 up to brain brain scans and read his brain waves 52 00:03:16.360 --> 00:03:19.520 to see if we can prove or disprove him. We 53 00:03:19.960 --> 00:03:23.080 believe him, and we've already seen some scientific evidence on 54 00:03:23.159 --> 00:03:24.759 his documentary First Contact. 55 00:03:24.879 --> 00:03:26.240 Have you seen your First Contact? 56 00:03:26.759 --> 00:03:30.520 I seen him his brain or his head get hooked 57 00:03:30.599 --> 00:03:33.080 up to like an EG kind of thing, and it 58 00:03:33.400 --> 00:03:36.360 it was proving that he was going into I believe, 59 00:03:36.400 --> 00:03:40.159 the gamma state of mind, which is what allows you know, 60 00:03:40.280 --> 00:03:44.120 allegedly channeled information to come through you, Like if you're 61 00:03:44.159 --> 00:03:46.919 going to channel, typically you slide into gamma. 62 00:03:47.400 --> 00:03:49.719 And that the dream state that you're getting people into 63 00:03:49.719 --> 00:03:50.879 whenever you're doing hypnosis. 64 00:03:51.159 --> 00:03:53.639 I think it's basically he was. He does a thing 65 00:03:53.759 --> 00:03:56.639 like it says that he let his personality area of 66 00:03:56.759 --> 00:04:00.479 his brain completely leaves when that happens. Yeah, so that 67 00:04:00.639 --> 00:04:02.800 is the channeling state though, because it's not you, it's 68 00:04:02.840 --> 00:04:04.479 just kind of your opening yourself up to be able 69 00:04:04.479 --> 00:04:06.199 to speak, you know, have somebody speak through you. 70 00:04:06.360 --> 00:04:09.680 Yeah. But yeah, also that like also he's going more 71 00:04:09.719 --> 00:04:12.759 into that altered state of consciousness. I think the neuroscientist 72 00:04:12.840 --> 00:04:16.360 he works with in that doc says that he's essentially 73 00:04:17.120 --> 00:04:19.759 what his brain becomes when he goes into the channel 74 00:04:19.839 --> 00:04:22.319 state is like that of a monk that's been in 75 00:04:22.360 --> 00:04:25.560 a cave for thirty years. So he's going into a 76 00:04:25.920 --> 00:04:30.680 you know, super consciousness. Yeah, I mean, and the interview itself, 77 00:04:31.120 --> 00:04:32.920 it was we followed him for so long. It was 78 00:04:32.959 --> 00:04:35.959 a lot of a lot of stuff we've heard before, 79 00:04:36.120 --> 00:04:38.360 but what we got to talk about was a little 80 00:04:38.399 --> 00:04:42.279 bit of like we've had channeled experiences where we've gone 81 00:04:42.319 --> 00:04:45.920 into like altered states of consciousness where we've channeled, and 82 00:04:46.120 --> 00:04:48.959 we got to like pick his brain on some experiences 83 00:04:48.959 --> 00:04:52.040 we've had and things that have happened to us, which 84 00:04:52.079 --> 00:04:55.720 was fascinating, you know, because we a lot of times 85 00:04:55.800 --> 00:04:58.480 we don't have the language or the understanding of what's 86 00:04:58.560 --> 00:05:01.439 going on, and even a lot of our teachers don't 87 00:05:01.480 --> 00:05:05.639 go into those states of consciousness. So our like shamanic teachers, 88 00:05:05.639 --> 00:05:07.879 we do a lot of shamanic work with like indigenous 89 00:05:07.920 --> 00:05:11.160 plant medicines. So yeah, like he got to like walk 90 00:05:11.240 --> 00:05:13.600 us through sort of like explain like what the the 91 00:05:13.720 --> 00:05:17.240 contact experiences we've had were, what like you know, the 92 00:05:17.319 --> 00:05:21.600 hand movements since sort of this like GOBBLYOK language which 93 00:05:21.600 --> 00:05:23.639 turns out to be like light language, which and these 94 00:05:23.680 --> 00:05:26.879 are all like precursors to channeling. So yeah, we got 95 00:05:26.879 --> 00:05:29.079 to like go into that, which was fascinating, and yeah, 96 00:05:29.079 --> 00:05:30.040 it was fucking mind blowing. 97 00:05:30.040 --> 00:05:33.959 Really, dude, that is just so crazy to me how 98 00:05:33.959 --> 00:05:36.639 people are able to do that. And I'm somebody like 99 00:05:36.920 --> 00:05:40.519 so I I did the the Dolores Cannon School of 100 00:05:40.600 --> 00:05:44.160 QHHT and so I'm like, I'm a past life regressionist, 101 00:05:44.199 --> 00:05:47.720 so I you know, I'm I'm constantly giving people sessions. 102 00:05:47.720 --> 00:05:49.600 As a matter of fact, Like on my my I 103 00:05:49.600 --> 00:05:52.879 have another podcast called Meta Mysteries, and it's strictly for 104 00:05:52.959 --> 00:05:57.319 the metaphysics, the psychic world, the channeling, the past life regressions, 105 00:05:57.399 --> 00:06:00.319 all that that's my jam, Like that is my lane, 106 00:06:00.360 --> 00:06:02.439 which is kind of why I love you guys so much. 107 00:06:02.519 --> 00:06:05.920 Because that's you know, very similar in that kind of way. 108 00:06:05.959 --> 00:06:09.199 But you know, I know that Dolores Canon, whenever she 109 00:06:09.360 --> 00:06:12.399 was talking about it, she you know, during her time, 110 00:06:12.519 --> 00:06:16.680 it was understood that there was four like brain wave 111 00:06:16.879 --> 00:06:21.160 kind of things going on with beta, alpha, theta in delta. 112 00:06:21.600 --> 00:06:25.079 And then some people started introducing, at least within the 113 00:06:25.120 --> 00:06:28.720 hypnosis realm gamma, which I believe, if I'm not mistaken, 114 00:06:28.839 --> 00:06:32.079 gamma is said to be a little bit deeper in 115 00:06:32.240 --> 00:06:36.040 trance than even theta is all right, So as far 116 00:06:36.079 --> 00:06:39.680 as I understand gamma goes is that basically it is 117 00:06:41.040 --> 00:06:44.920 it is like the state a little bit deeper than theta, 118 00:06:45.079 --> 00:06:46.920 which is what I try and get people to to 119 00:06:47.000 --> 00:06:51.439 go into that that that mind frame whenever I hypnotize 120 00:06:51.480 --> 00:06:55.639 them to be able to kind of witness what there 121 00:06:55.680 --> 00:06:57.879 were or who they were in a past life and 122 00:06:57.959 --> 00:07:01.800 get those kind of messages and understand that life so 123 00:07:01.920 --> 00:07:04.319 they don't have to repeat those same mistakes in this 124 00:07:04.399 --> 00:07:06.800 one and and and all that kind of jazz. And 125 00:07:06.800 --> 00:07:09.800 that's something that I learned from Dolores Cannon's course, and 126 00:07:10.399 --> 00:07:12.720 I mean just so fascinating. That was one of the 127 00:07:12.720 --> 00:07:15.519 main things that I got into, like Ray whenever I 128 00:07:15.639 --> 00:07:19.360 started the Cult of Conspiracy, I had I had a 129 00:07:19.399 --> 00:07:21.959 guest on from Australia. His name is John mcclucky, and 130 00:07:22.000 --> 00:07:25.040 he was somebody that was into Khachen and I kept 131 00:07:25.040 --> 00:07:26.560 on wanting to have him on the show. I had 132 00:07:26.600 --> 00:07:28.600 him on like three or four times in like the 133 00:07:28.600 --> 00:07:32.240 first fifty episodes. I was just fascinated by everything to 134 00:07:32.279 --> 00:07:34.040 do with this guy and that work and all that 135 00:07:34.079 --> 00:07:36.319 kind of stuff. And then eventually he was just like, 136 00:07:37.120 --> 00:07:39.120 you know, like you're you keep on wanting to talk 137 00:07:39.120 --> 00:07:41.560 about this. Why don't you just like go do the schooling. 138 00:07:41.839 --> 00:07:44.759 And I was like, oh, I don't know, because I was, 139 00:07:44.800 --> 00:07:47.000 you know, getting ready to go to real estate school, 140 00:07:47.079 --> 00:07:50.439 and and I was trying to be a normal, functioning 141 00:07:50.480 --> 00:07:54.319 person of society or what I thought was normal, and 142 00:07:54.800 --> 00:07:57.240 the idea of oh I'm going to be a past 143 00:07:57.279 --> 00:08:00.199 life regressionist. Wait, I toild my parents hear about this, know, 144 00:08:01.480 --> 00:08:03.959 But eventually he was just like, dude, if that's what 145 00:08:04.000 --> 00:08:06.519 you like want to do, then just go with it. 146 00:08:06.759 --> 00:08:09.519 And I was like, it really is that simple, isn't it. 147 00:08:09.560 --> 00:08:12.040 So I did it, and I loved it, and I 148 00:08:12.079 --> 00:08:14.680 still give the sessions every so often. So yeah, I mean, 149 00:08:14.720 --> 00:08:16.680 it's it's a hell of a time, dude. 150 00:08:16.800 --> 00:08:18.240 Have you done it to Jacob yet? 151 00:08:18.360 --> 00:08:18.600 I have? 152 00:08:19.160 --> 00:08:22.000 Yeah, the past life regression I had was actually really interesting. 153 00:08:22.120 --> 00:08:25.240 So and I'm not I'm not somebody who necessarily believes 154 00:08:25.240 --> 00:08:28.959 in reincarnation. I don't disagree with it. I just it 155 00:08:29.000 --> 00:08:31.959 doesn't fit neatly into my brain as far as that goes. 156 00:08:32.000 --> 00:08:34.639 But not detracting from people who do believe of that type, 157 00:08:34.679 --> 00:08:37.559 whatever the case may be. The past life regression that 158 00:08:37.600 --> 00:08:40.840 I had was kind of interesting in that. So if 159 00:08:40.879 --> 00:08:42.720 you couldn't tell by the shit around me, I'm really 160 00:08:42.759 --> 00:08:45.360 into medieval history and history as a whole. I do 161 00:08:45.440 --> 00:08:49.080 boohurt fighting, which is like full armor cage fights with 162 00:08:49.159 --> 00:08:52.000 like swords and shields and actions and shit like this. 163 00:08:52.000 --> 00:08:53.559 This is a long swort that I use as a 164 00:08:53.600 --> 00:08:56.559 matter of fact, and so it's fun shit, right. So 165 00:08:56.759 --> 00:08:59.320 I'm into that stuff anyway. So when this past life 166 00:08:59.320 --> 00:09:03.639 regression happened to me. In this experience, I was an 167 00:09:03.720 --> 00:09:06.440 Arab dude. I don't know what religion he claimed, but 168 00:09:07.000 --> 00:09:09.240 I was there during what I would assume to be 169 00:09:09.279 --> 00:09:12.159 the First Crusades, and I guesstimated that based off of 170 00:09:12.159 --> 00:09:14.200 the armor that I was wearing in a battle that 171 00:09:14.240 --> 00:09:15.960 took place, and it's not like I was some high 172 00:09:16.039 --> 00:09:20.320 ranking general or anything like that. Basically, after the battle 173 00:09:20.320 --> 00:09:23.080 of it all, I became a traveling nomad just kind 174 00:09:23.120 --> 00:09:25.879 of meandered place to place on foot. I didn't have 175 00:09:26.000 --> 00:09:29.919 wife or children. I died penniless and alone, but satisfied 176 00:09:30.000 --> 00:09:33.840 and happy. And so with that being said, I still 177 00:09:33.840 --> 00:09:36.399 am not one hundred percent convinced if this is what 178 00:09:36.480 --> 00:09:39.279 happens when Jacob's brain goes off the leash and kind 179 00:09:39.320 --> 00:09:42.080 of meanders around and this was my imagination kind of 180 00:09:42.120 --> 00:09:44.159 on free mode, and this is what spit itself out, 181 00:09:44.639 --> 00:09:47.039 or if this was in fact a pass life progression. 182 00:09:47.159 --> 00:09:49.279 So I do want to do another one to compare 183 00:09:49.360 --> 00:09:51.399 notes and see how it goes. But a lot of 184 00:09:51.399 --> 00:09:54.320 the experience that Jonathan had, these people that do a 185 00:09:54.360 --> 00:09:57.519 pass life regression with Jonathan, they're so varied, they're so 186 00:09:57.879 --> 00:10:01.600 all over the place. Sometimes it's a body list ethereal figure. 187 00:10:02.039 --> 00:10:06.000 Sometimes it is a life from the Middle Ages. Sometimes 188 00:10:06.039 --> 00:10:08.159 it's a life from World War two. I mean, it 189 00:10:08.200 --> 00:10:10.279 goes and runs the gam But now very few people 190 00:10:10.279 --> 00:10:12.519 are like I was Joan of Arc, like you know 191 00:10:12.519 --> 00:10:16.399 what I mean, like it's not like that whatsoever. I think, Jonathan, 192 00:10:16.399 --> 00:10:17.879 you said you had a few people that said that 193 00:10:17.919 --> 00:10:20.679 they were somebody of note, But for the most part, 194 00:10:20.679 --> 00:10:23.720 it's been pretty normal as far as that's concerned. 195 00:10:23.759 --> 00:10:26.840 So I've had like two hundred and fifty three hundred 196 00:10:26.919 --> 00:10:29.480 sessions or something like that. Like it's it's not like 197 00:10:29.519 --> 00:10:31.799 a full time thing by any means. It's more of 198 00:10:31.960 --> 00:10:36.000 just like a curiosity that I've had. And but but 199 00:10:36.159 --> 00:10:38.240 most of the people, yeah, I mean, most of the 200 00:10:38.240 --> 00:10:43.440 people are not somebody that you would remember from history necessarily. 201 00:10:43.600 --> 00:10:46.240 I mean you think about it, like, can you name 202 00:10:47.120 --> 00:10:50.720 three people from the year seven hundred? You know, like 203 00:10:51.159 --> 00:10:53.559 you're just probably not going to think of that in 204 00:10:53.639 --> 00:10:56.440 that way, right, And so you know, most people they 205 00:10:56.480 --> 00:10:59.399 will have some kind of wild thing happened, but it's 206 00:10:59.399 --> 00:11:03.399 not necessary history noteworthy. You know, it might just be 207 00:11:03.519 --> 00:11:07.320 something that they experienced in that life and they're bringing 208 00:11:07.360 --> 00:11:09.240 it back to try and help them in this life. 209 00:11:09.279 --> 00:11:11.200 And that's really the whole point of it. And then 210 00:11:11.279 --> 00:11:14.120 you know, uh, Dolora she called it QHHT because it 211 00:11:14.159 --> 00:11:18.360 was a quantum healing hypnosis therapy and she believed that Look, 212 00:11:18.600 --> 00:11:20.960 she believes that we can make our If we can 213 00:11:21.039 --> 00:11:25.000 make ourselves sick through nervousness and anxiety and depression and 214 00:11:25.080 --> 00:11:28.120 all that kind of stuff, then we obviously would have 215 00:11:28.600 --> 00:11:31.440 the same kind of power for the good. And she 216 00:11:31.600 --> 00:11:35.159 believed that you could literally heal yourself in times like 217 00:11:35.360 --> 00:11:38.600 in this state of mind now, if you're calling upon 218 00:11:38.720 --> 00:11:41.279 angels or your guides, or maybe it's just your higher 219 00:11:41.279 --> 00:11:44.960 self that is fixing you up. Either way, whatever is 220 00:11:45.039 --> 00:11:48.879 going on, it has happened, dude, And I haven't experienced 221 00:11:48.960 --> 00:11:53.279 anything like Dolores would talk about how somebody would have 222 00:11:53.399 --> 00:11:57.080 like crazy scoliosis or something like that, right, and she 223 00:11:57.200 --> 00:12:00.600 would literally in the session see the person's backs draightened out, 224 00:12:00.639 --> 00:12:03.399 and they never had any kind of scoliosi's problems at 225 00:12:03.399 --> 00:12:07.279 all anymore. Ever, again, and many of people have documented 226 00:12:07.279 --> 00:12:10.840 that kind of stuff. I haven't gone like to something 227 00:12:11.000 --> 00:12:14.279 that drastic yet, I'm open to it. But people have 228 00:12:14.360 --> 00:12:16.919 gotten over like a lot of things that they're anxious 229 00:12:16.960 --> 00:12:20.480 about and things that make them sick. And just because 230 00:12:20.559 --> 00:12:24.159 it's all attached to what she claims to your past 231 00:12:24.200 --> 00:12:26.600 lives and your past karma and things like that. 232 00:12:26.799 --> 00:12:32.519 So, I mean, this is so fascinating because literally today's episode, 233 00:12:32.519 --> 00:12:34.639 the episode that dropped today of the Acid for Squares 234 00:12:34.720 --> 00:12:38.200 podcast is Sarah Cosme and she's the new Dolores Cannon. 235 00:12:38.320 --> 00:12:40.399 She does her method and she's a master hypnotist and 236 00:12:40.399 --> 00:12:43.240 she's essentially the you know, she's that next wave like 237 00:12:43.320 --> 00:12:47.639 doctor Brian Weiss then Dolores Cannon really in the popular culture, 238 00:12:47.759 --> 00:12:49.480 like do you know who Sarah Cosma is? 239 00:12:49.519 --> 00:12:52.600 We Actually that was one of my first guests. Also 240 00:12:52.919 --> 00:12:55.759 that John mcclucky referred me to have her on the 241 00:12:55.799 --> 00:12:58.279 show as soon as she got done writing her first 242 00:12:58.320 --> 00:13:00.960 book that she had wrote, which I think was The 243 00:13:01.039 --> 00:13:04.159 Hypnotist Journey to Atlantis, and then she ended up writing 244 00:13:04.159 --> 00:13:07.120 another book, Hypnotist Journey to the Sphinx I think is 245 00:13:07.159 --> 00:13:10.159 what it was. But she is awesome, dude. Yeah, I 246 00:13:10.240 --> 00:13:10.799 mean was. 247 00:13:10.759 --> 00:13:13.600 She studying under Dolores or am I thinking to someone else? 248 00:13:13.639 --> 00:13:15.639 Because I know Dolores Canon's daughter kind of took the 249 00:13:15.639 --> 00:13:17.120 ball and rang with it, but did in this other 250 00:13:17.200 --> 00:13:19.399 chick she was also a study of Dolores. 251 00:13:19.759 --> 00:13:20.039 Yeah? 252 00:13:20.159 --> 00:13:21.639 Yeah, yeah, she is. 253 00:13:21.799 --> 00:13:23.519 Yeah, I mean like we can go kind of like 254 00:13:23.600 --> 00:13:26.720 I think we both cut our teeth with you know, 255 00:13:26.879 --> 00:13:31.320 regression therapy. We're both like scientific materialist types that like 256 00:13:31.720 --> 00:13:34.840 got you know, swept into quantum physics and our own 257 00:13:34.879 --> 00:13:36.720 personal experiences, and here we are. 258 00:13:37.720 --> 00:13:40.919 I want to say, so, I had the craziest experience 259 00:13:41.080 --> 00:13:45.360 with a past life regression, and it was so strange 260 00:13:45.399 --> 00:13:48.279 because I was literally in the body. All of a sudden, 261 00:13:48.320 --> 00:13:50.879 I popped up and I was floating on an inner 262 00:13:50.919 --> 00:13:53.200 tube in the water, and I was like a little baby, 263 00:13:53.440 --> 00:13:56.399 like a very fat like kid there's probably three years old, 264 00:13:56.600 --> 00:13:58.360 and I knew that I was a boy, and I 265 00:13:58.399 --> 00:14:00.360 could see people on the shore. And then all of 266 00:14:00.399 --> 00:14:02.679 a sudden, it and I knew that the people taking 267 00:14:02.720 --> 00:14:05.360 care of me were not my parents, but they were 268 00:14:05.399 --> 00:14:08.840 like handlers, and so I didn't really have access to 269 00:14:08.879 --> 00:14:10.639 my family. And then all of a sudden, it went 270 00:14:10.679 --> 00:14:13.200 to like another point in that life where I started 271 00:14:13.200 --> 00:14:17.120 getting really angry and started becoming this like evil dude 272 00:14:17.200 --> 00:14:20.679 that was just like murder and murder, like definitely that 273 00:14:20.840 --> 00:14:23.720 sort of like stuff you went behind you, Jacob, and 274 00:14:23.799 --> 00:14:26.600 I was just like just so much anger, and I 275 00:14:26.639 --> 00:14:28.559 was like in the body of this guy. And then 276 00:14:28.600 --> 00:14:31.440 the last bit it fast forward to the moment I died, 277 00:14:32.080 --> 00:14:34.440 and it was like snowing and I was walking across 278 00:14:34.480 --> 00:14:37.200 these rocks and I was lost from my you know, 279 00:14:37.320 --> 00:14:39.759 my nights or whoever I was fighting with, and this 280 00:14:39.799 --> 00:14:42.600 person came and just stabbed me and I died on 281 00:14:42.720 --> 00:14:45.000 the rocks. I was just bleeding out, being like what 282 00:14:45.120 --> 00:14:47.679 if I done with my life? And then but it 283 00:14:47.720 --> 00:14:51.559 was so realistic. It was it felt like I was 284 00:14:51.759 --> 00:14:55.840 actually remembering something. I'm like, this is very, very weird, 285 00:14:55.840 --> 00:14:58.759 because I wouldn't expect myself to go into some guy 286 00:14:58.799 --> 00:15:00.480 that's like trying to murder people. 287 00:15:01.200 --> 00:15:04.039 Yeah, yeah, it is crazy because and that's the thing 288 00:15:04.200 --> 00:15:06.960 with a lot of these past life aggressions, some of 289 00:15:06.960 --> 00:15:09.399 them are a little bit similar as to, you know, 290 00:15:09.440 --> 00:15:13.080 maybe it's something that you're interested in. And like Jacob 291 00:15:13.159 --> 00:15:16.399 with with the night fighting, and I asked him, I'm like, 292 00:15:16.759 --> 00:15:19.480 all right, well you can you can assume that what 293 00:15:19.519 --> 00:15:22.840 you're experiencing, you know, in a past life, Well, that's 294 00:15:22.919 --> 00:15:25.159 it's just because that's what you like in this life 295 00:15:25.159 --> 00:15:28.080 and that's what you're interested in. But then but then 296 00:15:28.120 --> 00:15:31.320 you got to ask the question, is what you're interested 297 00:15:31.360 --> 00:15:34.279 in this life because of that past life? It's like 298 00:15:34.320 --> 00:15:35.919 what came first of the chicken or the egg kind 299 00:15:35.919 --> 00:15:36.200 of deal. 300 00:15:36.279 --> 00:15:39.399 You know, and I'm Disney, a kid in King Arthur's 301 00:15:39.399 --> 00:15:42.159 court that that kind of made an excellent impact on 302 00:15:42.200 --> 00:15:43.799 me as a child, and I was like, jousting is 303 00:15:43.840 --> 00:15:45.919 obviously what needs to happen. Then a nice tale came out, 304 00:15:45.960 --> 00:15:49.159 and I'm like, this is me, This is obviously me. 305 00:15:49.360 --> 00:15:52.480 But even still, like I wish I knew more about 306 00:15:52.639 --> 00:15:55.840 the experiences that I lived through in that past life. 307 00:15:55.879 --> 00:15:57.759 I assume it was around the time of the first 308 00:15:57.840 --> 00:15:59.759 Cruse Sads based off of the type of armor I 309 00:15:59.879 --> 00:16:01.799 was wearing. And the only reason that I would know 310 00:16:01.840 --> 00:16:04.399 that is because I'm into armor, and shit right, somebody 311 00:16:04.399 --> 00:16:07.399 else seeing that would just assume something Middle Ages. But 312 00:16:07.440 --> 00:16:10.120 that's like a you know, eight hundred year gap of time. 313 00:16:10.679 --> 00:16:14.200 There's I knew it was somewhere on a waterfront, you know, 314 00:16:14.240 --> 00:16:16.759 because at the end of this battle, I don't remember 315 00:16:16.759 --> 00:16:19.639 the particulars of the battle. I remember walking to the beach, 316 00:16:19.639 --> 00:16:22.799 and apparently I fought with the Europeans because I was 317 00:16:22.879 --> 00:16:24.919 alongside of them. We all walked to the beach and 318 00:16:24.960 --> 00:16:26.919 just kind of sat in the sand and just kind 319 00:16:26.960 --> 00:16:29.080 of rested for a minute, and I remember feeling like 320 00:16:29.679 --> 00:16:32.960 we shouldn't have won that whatever the case was. Whatever 321 00:16:32.960 --> 00:16:36.360 the battle was, like, we should all be dead right now, 322 00:16:36.399 --> 00:16:39.440 and we all, without speaking it all knew that fact 323 00:16:39.480 --> 00:16:41.200 and we were just kind of having a moment to 324 00:16:41.320 --> 00:16:45.200 like realize that we just avoided death. And then cut too. 325 00:16:45.639 --> 00:16:49.000 I'm walking up to a goat herder's tribe, and you know, 326 00:16:49.159 --> 00:16:50.960 it's a farm of types. It's in the middle of 327 00:16:50.960 --> 00:16:52.600 the desert, so it wasn't like there was verdant fields 328 00:16:52.679 --> 00:16:54.720 or anything, but there was these little mud huts and 329 00:16:54.799 --> 00:16:57.200 this woman is cooking forest and like the head dude 330 00:16:57.240 --> 00:16:59.120 of it all, he welcomes me with open arms and 331 00:16:59.159 --> 00:17:01.960 I eat dinner with them. Then I cut to the 332 00:17:01.960 --> 00:17:04.599 scene when I die, old man laying in a bed, 333 00:17:04.680 --> 00:17:07.160 and I whatever I had in my pockets, whatever money 334 00:17:07.200 --> 00:17:09.839 I had left, I paid this girl. I say, girl, young, 335 00:17:10.079 --> 00:17:12.799 young lady, I should say to kind of tend to 336 00:17:12.839 --> 00:17:15.079 me until I died, and like, once I died, that 337 00:17:15.200 --> 00:17:16.839 was it, and I just kind of drifted off. And 338 00:17:16.880 --> 00:17:19.640 I remember thinking I had no wife, I had no children, 339 00:17:19.960 --> 00:17:21.920 but I also was at peace with that, and like 340 00:17:22.000 --> 00:17:25.599 I had made my journey in this world just kind 341 00:17:25.640 --> 00:17:28.240 of going place to place on foot and being a nomad, 342 00:17:28.279 --> 00:17:30.720 and that was that was I was satisfied with this. 343 00:17:30.799 --> 00:17:34.160 It was very interesting, and you still don't believe in this, 344 00:17:35.039 --> 00:17:38.480 So I'm not saying that I don't believe percent. Look 345 00:17:39.839 --> 00:17:43.000 what happened, I don't know anyway. For you, anybody listening 346 00:17:43.039 --> 00:17:44.480 right now, you need to come check us out on 347 00:17:44.480 --> 00:17:46.240 patrons so you can see what the hell is going 348 00:17:46.279 --> 00:17:50.799 on with these cameras. But but uh, it don't necessarily 349 00:17:50.920 --> 00:17:54.200 that I don't believe in reincarnation. I just don't see 350 00:17:54.200 --> 00:17:56.359 a point in it. And that's that's for my own 351 00:17:57.119 --> 00:17:59.759 and that's not even a full a fully true statement either. 352 00:18:00.119 --> 00:18:02.200 So backstory to me, I'm a bit of a Christian, 353 00:18:02.319 --> 00:18:04.519 not a very good representation of one. I get it. 354 00:18:04.640 --> 00:18:08.160 Fuck off with the judgment, but whatever, Right, It's the 355 00:18:08.200 --> 00:18:09.960 way I've always seen it is, we got this one 356 00:18:10.000 --> 00:18:12.000 life to do what we need to do, and then 357 00:18:12.079 --> 00:18:14.000 this is like a pass or fail event. We will 358 00:18:14.000 --> 00:18:16.079 be judged at the end of this. It's like a test. 359 00:18:16.240 --> 00:18:19.240 You can fail this test, right. But that being said, 360 00:18:19.359 --> 00:18:22.839 that doesn't mean that there's zero possibility of the higher power, 361 00:18:22.960 --> 00:18:25.359 the God, the universe, whoever you might call it, sending 362 00:18:25.400 --> 00:18:27.400 you back down for another round because you didn't learn 363 00:18:27.400 --> 00:18:29.559 what you were supposed to learn. I get that, and 364 00:18:29.599 --> 00:18:32.960 I don't discredit that completely. It just I don't necessarily 365 00:18:33.000 --> 00:18:35.839 buy into that myself. God, But that's what I'm saying. 366 00:18:35.880 --> 00:18:38.119 I want to do another past life to compare notes 367 00:18:38.200 --> 00:18:41.119 and see, like, Okay, this other past life was oddly 368 00:18:41.240 --> 00:18:43.880 enough some other shit that I'm super interested in, or 369 00:18:43.960 --> 00:18:46.400 is it something way off kilt that's out of left field. 370 00:18:46.400 --> 00:18:47.559 I'm interested for sure. 371 00:18:47.920 --> 00:18:50.759 Look, that makes some my sense like that it doesn't 372 00:18:50.799 --> 00:18:54.079 completely align with your religion, So that makes sense. Why 373 00:18:54.240 --> 00:18:56.400 you know, you got to tread with caution. I think 374 00:18:56.519 --> 00:18:59.359 the you know, I can't remember is there are some 375 00:18:59.480 --> 00:19:03.799 of the non canonical text do they for Christianity? Do 376 00:19:03.839 --> 00:19:06.279 they talk about I don't know. There is. 377 00:19:06.559 --> 00:19:10.240 There is some mention of reincarnation quote unquote if we 378 00:19:10.279 --> 00:19:12.880 want to, we're painting with a broad brush whenever we 379 00:19:12.960 --> 00:19:15.960 do that. But like for instance, Dude, in the Bible, 380 00:19:16.000 --> 00:19:19.359 I can't recall the entire story here, but basically they say, oh, 381 00:19:19.400 --> 00:19:22.960 are you the prophet Elijah like basically reincarnated or they 382 00:19:22.960 --> 00:19:26.519 were saying, are you is your spirit inhabited by that 383 00:19:26.559 --> 00:19:31.359 of elijahs So it kind of bs with reincarnation but 384 00:19:31.519 --> 00:19:34.880 not fully. And that's what I'm saying. It doesn't. I mean, 385 00:19:34.960 --> 00:19:38.319 there has been Christians that fully Christians of note from 386 00:19:38.359 --> 00:19:40.960 the past that fully believe in reincarnation. Then there's some 387 00:19:41.079 --> 00:19:43.720 that say that's completely heretical. I'm not so cut and 388 00:19:43.799 --> 00:19:46.240 dry with it. I think I used to be. These days, 389 00:19:46.240 --> 00:19:48.720 it's more or less, uh, I just I guess it's 390 00:19:48.839 --> 00:19:50.759 very much case by case and it's all up to 391 00:19:51.000 --> 00:19:53.839 the Higher power. And I'm not saying that, well, God, 392 00:19:54.000 --> 00:19:56.440 you know, is the only one and like, yeah, he'll 393 00:19:56.519 --> 00:19:58.640 decide if somebody's gonna get reincarnated or not. 394 00:19:58.680 --> 00:20:02.799 It's all anyway exactly, you know. It's, if anything, we're 395 00:20:02.839 --> 00:20:06.519 just figuring out if our interpretations present or past where 396 00:20:06.559 --> 00:20:09.720 one hundred percent accurate, and the likelihood is probably not. 397 00:20:09.839 --> 00:20:12.279 We don't know. All of us are just still figuring 398 00:20:12.279 --> 00:20:15.279 it out. Like we have X and teachers and people 399 00:20:15.319 --> 00:20:18.839 we can go studies, whatever we can go off of. 400 00:20:18.960 --> 00:20:20.799 But it's still it's like it's a mystery, you know. 401 00:20:21.680 --> 00:20:24.839 The I think the most interesting, like allopathic that the 402 00:20:24.839 --> 00:20:27.440 most interesting doctor to look in reincarnation his names doctor 403 00:20:27.480 --> 00:20:29.319 Ian Stevenson, Jonathan. 404 00:20:29.359 --> 00:20:29.880 Do you know him? 405 00:20:30.400 --> 00:20:32.599 I've I may know him if I saw, let me 406 00:20:32.640 --> 00:20:34.119 try and see if I can find a picture of him. 407 00:20:34.119 --> 00:20:36.200 I'm better with faces, okay. 408 00:20:35.880 --> 00:20:37.880 So essentially I don't know his face looks like essentially 409 00:20:37.920 --> 00:20:42.839 this cat right, So parapsychology is this like completely repressed 410 00:20:42.960 --> 00:20:46.720 you know, arm of science right right though of the 411 00:20:46.759 --> 00:20:50.240 sciences or whatever. So because it's considered pseudoscience because it 412 00:20:50.799 --> 00:20:53.839 blurs the lines between the church and the laboratory I guess, 413 00:20:53.839 --> 00:20:58.799 and the psychologist's office. But doctor Ian Stevenson what he 414 00:20:58.839 --> 00:21:02.079 would do is he essentially so there's people who remember 415 00:21:02.119 --> 00:21:05.160 their past lives. Like let's say they have like an axe, 416 00:21:05.400 --> 00:21:08.440 you know. I'll tell you one specific story. There's a 417 00:21:08.480 --> 00:21:11.680 person who remembers being like executed, shot in the head 418 00:21:11.680 --> 00:21:14.279 in a past life. So doctor am Stephen said to 419 00:21:14.359 --> 00:21:17.640 hear about this, he would travel to go find them 420 00:21:17.640 --> 00:21:20.200 and interview them. These people would typically have what they 421 00:21:20.240 --> 00:21:23.200 call a death mark, which is a birthmark where the 422 00:21:23.559 --> 00:21:26.200 where the death was that they remember, and then he 423 00:21:26.240 --> 00:21:29.599 would go find the person they claimed they were, get 424 00:21:29.640 --> 00:21:33.680 permits to dig up their grave perform autopsies on their 425 00:21:33.799 --> 00:21:36.480 the deceased person they said they were to see if 426 00:21:36.680 --> 00:21:40.640 the wounds of the autopsy aligned with their death mark, 427 00:21:40.839 --> 00:21:42.640 and in this specific case, with the person that was 428 00:21:42.640 --> 00:21:44.880 shot in the head, he goes and he does an 429 00:21:44.880 --> 00:21:46.880 autopsy on the body and he sees there's an exit 430 00:21:46.880 --> 00:21:49.759 wound from the bullet. And he flies back, right, and 431 00:21:49.759 --> 00:21:51.440 this is a while ago, right, so he's this man 432 00:21:51.519 --> 00:21:54.319 spending money. It's not so easy to communicate. He flies 433 00:21:54.359 --> 00:21:57.200 back to see the person remembers his past life and 434 00:21:57.240 --> 00:22:00.039 he says, hey, do you have another death mark, a 435 00:22:00.119 --> 00:22:02.359 birthmark on the back of your head. And he's like, yeah, 436 00:22:02.359 --> 00:22:04.279 sure enough, he had the exit one in the back 437 00:22:04.279 --> 00:22:08.200 of his head. And wow, this guy has a legion 438 00:22:08.480 --> 00:22:10.680 of these reports. He spent his whole life doing it. 439 00:22:10.960 --> 00:22:13.039 There's also the story of this like little girl. I 440 00:22:13.039 --> 00:22:15.519 wish I remembered her name, but she was probably like 441 00:22:15.559 --> 00:22:17.319 five years old or something like that, and she said 442 00:22:17.359 --> 00:22:19.839 she remembered her family. She would talk about her husband 443 00:22:19.880 --> 00:22:22.400 and like all this stuff. The family actually went it 444 00:22:22.440 --> 00:22:25.119 was in another country, went to the other country, which 445 00:22:25.160 --> 00:22:28.200 I believe was like in India or Asia something like that, 446 00:22:29.200 --> 00:22:31.960 somewhere in Asia, right, And they went back there and 447 00:22:32.000 --> 00:22:34.319 the little girl like met with the family. She knew 448 00:22:34.359 --> 00:22:36.240 her husband, she called him by a name and started 449 00:22:36.319 --> 00:22:39.039 naming everyone in the family. And they have like footage 450 00:22:39.039 --> 00:22:39.839 of this happening. 451 00:22:39.920 --> 00:22:41.599 Oh that's true. 452 00:22:41.680 --> 00:22:45.440 Yeah, yeah, there's these there's communities or tribes or different 453 00:22:45.480 --> 00:22:49.319 cultures around the world that reincarnation is a part of 454 00:22:49.359 --> 00:22:53.920 their orthodoxy. Even indigenous tribes. They look out for the 455 00:22:54.000 --> 00:22:56.200 death marks, and if they have a death mark that 456 00:22:56.240 --> 00:22:59.000 aligns with an ancestor who had passed, they'll just give 457 00:22:59.039 --> 00:23:02.640 them that name. So there's there's another story. This one 458 00:23:02.680 --> 00:23:04.920 actually I think was covered in the mainstream press. It's 459 00:23:04.920 --> 00:23:07.559 about like eight years eight years ago. So what they 460 00:23:07.640 --> 00:23:09.880 do is is they pretty much as soon as the 461 00:23:09.960 --> 00:23:12.799 kid can talk, they start asking them questions, start being 462 00:23:12.839 --> 00:23:15.839 like what's uh, you know, you know, if they remember anything. 463 00:23:16.160 --> 00:23:20.000 And in this specific instance, this girl, I guess, she 464 00:23:21.039 --> 00:23:24.319 says who she is, She walks the elders of the 465 00:23:24.720 --> 00:23:29.640 village to her house. She says that names her neighbor 466 00:23:29.720 --> 00:23:33.440 and says he killed me like with whatever weapon I'm 467 00:23:33.519 --> 00:23:36.880 buried under there and the weapons over there. They find 468 00:23:36.880 --> 00:23:40.319 the body, find the weapon, arrest the neighbor straight up. 469 00:23:40.960 --> 00:23:44.759 Whoa yeah, dude, this shit goes fucking deep. There's a lot. 470 00:23:44.839 --> 00:23:48.240 But then the question starts to be like, you know, why. 471 00:23:48.880 --> 00:23:53.160 Right, dude, Why that is that's the maist question of life? Right? 472 00:23:53.359 --> 00:23:55.319 Why are any of us here in the first fucking place? 473 00:23:55.480 --> 00:23:57.440 I agree you, Yeah, I was. 474 00:23:57.480 --> 00:24:01.240 Just looking up this Ian Stevenson. It is that he 475 00:24:01.319 --> 00:24:04.359 was a professor of psychiatry at the University of Virginia 476 00:24:04.400 --> 00:24:07.079 School of Medicine and the founder of the Division of 477 00:24:07.160 --> 00:24:10.559 Perceptual Studies. He studied cases of children who claim to 478 00:24:10.599 --> 00:24:13.880 remember past lives and wrote several books on reincarnation, near 479 00:24:13.920 --> 00:24:17.640 death studies, and medical history. How how have I not 480 00:24:17.759 --> 00:24:18.720 gotten into this guy? 481 00:24:18.920 --> 00:24:21.640 Like this sounds like all kinds of your cup of Joe, bro. 482 00:24:21.920 --> 00:24:24.839 That sounds like a meta episode to me for sure, dude, 483 00:24:24.599 --> 00:24:27.279 I full on believe in that kind of stuff, and 484 00:24:27.359 --> 00:24:31.960 like the idea of So there's this website called NDERF 485 00:24:32.039 --> 00:24:37.839 dot org and it's Near Death Experiences Research Foundation, And 486 00:24:38.000 --> 00:24:40.039 it was like this guy, I can't remember what his 487 00:24:40.160 --> 00:24:42.160 name was, but he was he was, like, I guess, 488 00:24:42.240 --> 00:24:44.559 some kind of doctor in the medical field, and kept 489 00:24:44.559 --> 00:24:47.240 on hearing about these stories of you know, as soon 490 00:24:47.279 --> 00:24:49.640 as people are getting ready to die, they talk about 491 00:24:49.680 --> 00:24:53.359 the ancestors being at the bed or or somebody who 492 00:24:53.440 --> 00:24:56.000 you know, just got rushed to the hospital and they 493 00:24:56.039 --> 00:24:57.759 were out for a little while, and they come back 494 00:24:57.880 --> 00:25:01.319 with this like crazy expl of what happened while they 495 00:25:01.359 --> 00:25:05.599 were you know, lights out, you know, and just fascinating stories. 496 00:25:05.640 --> 00:25:09.039 I mean, these these stories are being documented by the thousands, 497 00:25:09.519 --> 00:25:12.079 and I mean, how do you explain that? You know, like, 498 00:25:12.119 --> 00:25:13.240 what do you do with that? But then you have 499 00:25:13.319 --> 00:25:15.680 other people that you know, they the lights go out 500 00:25:15.720 --> 00:25:18.319 and they don't remember anything, nothing happened. It was just blackness. 501 00:25:18.359 --> 00:25:22.480 I went nowhere. I'm still there's nothing else that they got. 502 00:25:22.519 --> 00:25:24.960 And so I think it might be, you know, something 503 00:25:24.960 --> 00:25:27.720 on a case by case basis. Maybe maybe some people 504 00:25:27.920 --> 00:25:31.240 just you know, like there are people, for example, I 505 00:25:31.359 --> 00:25:35.839 dream every single night. Jacob never dreams, right, and so 506 00:25:36.119 --> 00:25:39.000 maybe I would be more prone to having an NDE, 507 00:25:39.039 --> 00:25:41.519 whereas Jacob would be like, oh, it's just lights out, 508 00:25:41.680 --> 00:25:42.960 you know? Is it? Is it like that? 509 00:25:43.799 --> 00:25:46.640 I mean I got my boy, my boy win right 510 00:25:47.519 --> 00:25:49.279 out on the West coast, he got I see what 511 00:25:49.319 --> 00:25:52.480 I'm saying that randomly does this shit anyway? He uh, 512 00:25:52.519 --> 00:25:54.920 he got blown up in Afghanistan and he was pronounced 513 00:25:54.920 --> 00:25:58.319 dead six different times between Afghanistan and the hospital in Germany. 514 00:25:58.319 --> 00:26:00.920 When he woke up, he saw nothing. He said, it 515 00:26:01.039 --> 00:26:05.039 just went black, just went cold. Now he is Vietnamese, right, 516 00:26:05.079 --> 00:26:07.240 so I mean he has there's a lot of different 517 00:26:07.279 --> 00:26:12.279 religious and spiritual cultures that go into that that I 518 00:26:12.279 --> 00:26:13.920 don't want to say family tree, but you know what 519 00:26:13.920 --> 00:26:16.720 I'm saying, like hereditarily, yeah, And he said that there 520 00:26:16.759 --> 00:26:18.640 was nothing on the other end. But then again, it's 521 00:26:18.640 --> 00:26:21.279 like that could easily be dismissed by saying, oh, well, 522 00:26:21.319 --> 00:26:23.400 that just wasn't your time. He's like, I died six 523 00:26:23.480 --> 00:26:25.519 fucking times. How are you telling me it wasn't my time? 524 00:26:25.599 --> 00:26:25.799 Man? 525 00:26:26.000 --> 00:26:27.640 All right, we have some thoughts on this. So, like 526 00:26:27.720 --> 00:26:29.559 a lot outside of the work we do, like, look, 527 00:26:29.559 --> 00:26:32.839 we're directors and you know, we have our podcast, and 528 00:26:33.480 --> 00:26:36.599 but we're like medicine people, so we hold ceremonies and 529 00:26:37.559 --> 00:26:40.880 it's very draining, so not all the time, but and 530 00:26:41.160 --> 00:26:43.480 predominantly what we do is we help people go to 531 00:26:43.519 --> 00:26:48.400 the other side. And it's fascinating because it seems so 532 00:26:48.640 --> 00:26:51.240 obviously the other side they're in control of this thing. 533 00:26:51.559 --> 00:26:54.240 They are running the show, they are running the game, 534 00:26:54.640 --> 00:26:57.119 so whatever this is, they're on the other side, and 535 00:26:57.319 --> 00:27:00.119 there is so much love they have for us. They 536 00:27:00.160 --> 00:27:04.039 are like right here, and you know, whether it's your ancestors, angels, 537 00:27:04.079 --> 00:27:06.880 whatever you want to call them, they're right here. And 538 00:27:07.200 --> 00:27:08.920 all you got to do is ask for their help 539 00:27:09.359 --> 00:27:12.440 and they won't violate your free will because that goes 540 00:27:12.480 --> 00:27:15.759 against like certain laws, spiritual laws. If you ask for help, 541 00:27:15.839 --> 00:27:18.799 they're there. So one of those fascinating things about this 542 00:27:19.079 --> 00:27:22.119 is that state of consciousness is very much like a 543 00:27:22.200 --> 00:27:26.480 dream state, and a lot of these on the other 544 00:27:26.559 --> 00:27:31.160 side they know that the experience of this absolute reality 545 00:27:31.240 --> 00:27:34.400 or whatever it is the real reality can be such 546 00:27:34.400 --> 00:27:37.440 a mind fuck you won't be able to function. So 547 00:27:37.599 --> 00:27:39.640 we have people all the time that get like men 548 00:27:39.680 --> 00:27:43.279 in black like boom, like nothing. They've done it to us. 549 00:27:43.559 --> 00:27:45.440 I mean, Tony, you can tell a funny story about 550 00:27:45.440 --> 00:27:48.839 like they Most of our experiences going to the other side, 551 00:27:48.920 --> 00:27:49.880 we can't even remember. 552 00:27:50.119 --> 00:27:52.319 There's literally the funniest thing. So one time I went 553 00:27:52.319 --> 00:27:55.799 into an Iahwasca ceremony and I'm I'm typically really really 554 00:27:55.839 --> 00:27:57.880 good at remembering like everything, and I sit there and 555 00:27:57.920 --> 00:28:01.279 I write like thirty something pages my ceremony, like can 556 00:28:02.160 --> 00:28:06.680 the candle? Yeah? But so I had just gone into 557 00:28:06.680 --> 00:28:09.759 my first cup and all of a sudden something happens 558 00:28:09.759 --> 00:28:11.960 and I'm like, oh my god, I forgot about this part, 559 00:28:12.160 --> 00:28:14.240 and all of a sudden, all these little voices go 560 00:28:14.359 --> 00:28:17.599 for this part, and I was like, oh my god, 561 00:28:17.640 --> 00:28:19.400 because they kind of like poke fun at you. It's 562 00:28:19.440 --> 00:28:21.880 like what we've experienced it a lot of people have, 563 00:28:22.039 --> 00:28:24.680 is that these like spirits or whatever on the other 564 00:28:24.759 --> 00:28:26.680 side like kind of like make fun of you. It's 565 00:28:26.759 --> 00:28:27.920 kind of like step taking yourself. 566 00:28:27.920 --> 00:28:30.359 So seriously, yeah, it's they're very much try to break 567 00:28:30.400 --> 00:28:34.119 you down or whatever your ego, whatever this identity is. 568 00:28:34.039 --> 00:28:35.920 To That's the ayahuasca ilves, ain't it. 569 00:28:36.559 --> 00:28:39.000 Uh yeah, I mean yeah, I mean it's the weird 570 00:28:39.039 --> 00:28:43.119 thing is is it's like, well, there's different things. Have 571 00:28:43.200 --> 00:28:45.039 you worked with Ayawaska or anything like that. 572 00:28:45.640 --> 00:28:48.720 No, I've I've delved into some psychedelics, not ayahuasca yet. 573 00:28:48.759 --> 00:28:50.920 I would like to. I would like to try peyote 574 00:28:50.960 --> 00:28:52.920 at some point. I would like to try salvia at 575 00:28:52.920 --> 00:28:53.400 some point. 576 00:28:53.400 --> 00:28:56.920 But again, it's it's it's sound touchdown. 577 00:28:57.400 --> 00:28:59.160 Really Oh yeah, I don't know. 578 00:28:59.640 --> 00:29:03.119 All this is not created equally, and there's this and 579 00:29:03.160 --> 00:29:05.039 you can see it with a lot of other movements 580 00:29:05.319 --> 00:29:08.880 that becomes sort of this like cultural renaissance around anything, 581 00:29:09.240 --> 00:29:13.039 and everyone's kind of any any adjacent thing starts jumping 582 00:29:13.039 --> 00:29:15.759 on and being like yeah, Like ketamine is an example. 583 00:29:15.759 --> 00:29:18.759 Like ketamines not even psychedelic. It's a dissociative. It's a 584 00:29:18.839 --> 00:29:21.400 you know, it's a cat. You know, it's a sedative. Uh, 585 00:29:21.720 --> 00:29:23.640 you know, the and the important. 586 00:29:23.240 --> 00:29:25.599 Thing for therapy though, if somebody's talking to you and 587 00:29:25.640 --> 00:29:26.519 walking you through stuff. 588 00:29:26.839 --> 00:29:30.319 People have different things, like you know, there is ayahuasca, 589 00:29:30.319 --> 00:29:33.440 psilocybin and san pego like watchuma. There's vilca, which is 590 00:29:33.440 --> 00:29:36.000 like a d MT like plant, but like the plants 591 00:29:36.400 --> 00:29:38.480 and like those ones like get kind of stick to those. 592 00:29:38.519 --> 00:29:41.279 We have not worked with ebogar ibgame. I'm sure it's 593 00:29:41.319 --> 00:29:44.559 it's in there. I begin's just insane. It's twenty four hours. 594 00:29:46.200 --> 00:29:50.039 What oh yeah, you can know miss me with that shit. 595 00:29:50.200 --> 00:29:52.559 Good God, A dude, I don't even like mushroom, Like 596 00:29:52.640 --> 00:29:54.640 mushrooms will last six or seven hours. I'm like, this 597 00:29:54.680 --> 00:29:57.480 is too damn long. Like people talk about like certain 598 00:29:57.519 --> 00:30:00.160 acid trips that they're tripping for like a full day 599 00:30:00.200 --> 00:30:02.799 or a couple of days. I'm like, no way, Like, 600 00:30:02.880 --> 00:30:05.039 give me a little bit of the you know, some 601 00:30:05.200 --> 00:30:07.839 DMT I'll take five minutes of it. That's what I 602 00:30:07.880 --> 00:30:08.720 can handle, you know. 603 00:30:09.359 --> 00:30:10.799 Yeah, it's no jokes. 604 00:30:11.319 --> 00:30:14.119 That's for people that are like highly addicted, like somebody 605 00:30:14.119 --> 00:30:16.960 that's a heroin addict or something like that. They free 606 00:30:16.960 --> 00:30:20.000 boga and then they are like, I'm gonna kill myself 607 00:30:20.039 --> 00:30:21.640 if I you know what I mean, if I don't 608 00:30:22.079 --> 00:30:24.599 do something to change my life because I'm so addicted 609 00:30:24.599 --> 00:30:27.000 to this thing. So they go and they work with 610 00:30:27.000 --> 00:30:30.240 this medicine and they it will clean them out, like 611 00:30:30.279 --> 00:30:32.359 they will not be using like right after. 612 00:30:32.519 --> 00:30:34.799 Yeah, it'll be the most experience of your life with. 613 00:30:34.839 --> 00:30:36.319 No come down either, which is wild. 614 00:30:36.440 --> 00:30:40.240 Yeah, this is the main medicine that veterans are turning to. 615 00:30:41.039 --> 00:30:42.839 I've heard of a lot of veterans going to these 616 00:30:42.880 --> 00:30:45.759 Aahuascar retreats to help them with their PTSD, and I 617 00:30:45.799 --> 00:30:48.279 mean there were juries still out. Don't get me wrong. 618 00:30:48.319 --> 00:30:51.920 The VA is finally starting to acknowledge psychedelic treatment as 619 00:30:52.039 --> 00:30:54.839 an option. It's not they haven't thrown their whole weight 620 00:30:54.880 --> 00:30:57.039 behind it yet, but at least they're willing to come 621 00:30:57.079 --> 00:31:00.720 and have the conversation about it now. But uh, varying 622 00:31:00.759 --> 00:31:03.400 degrees of success. Most I would say I think it's 623 00:31:03.400 --> 00:31:06.160 like eighty percent go through one of these retreats and 624 00:31:06.200 --> 00:31:08.960 come out on the other side of it with positive 625 00:31:09.279 --> 00:31:12.400 you know, stories about it. All. Mine wasn't. My first 626 00:31:12.440 --> 00:31:15.000 experience of psychedelics had nothing to do with PTSD. It 627 00:31:15.079 --> 00:31:17.799 was pure curiosity. I was dating a Nordic pagan chick 628 00:31:17.839 --> 00:31:19.960 at the time, right, and there I was at an 629 00:31:20.000 --> 00:31:23.960 embolics festival and you know, big fire festival, and it 630 00:31:24.000 --> 00:31:26.960 was a good old time. And I was at the 631 00:31:26.960 --> 00:31:28.920 time also in a line of work where I got 632 00:31:28.960 --> 00:31:32.279 piss tested pretty regularly. So as they're passing around weed 633 00:31:32.319 --> 00:31:34.400 and hash and all that, I can't partake. But the 634 00:31:34.400 --> 00:31:36.400 shaman of the group pulls out a big five gallon 635 00:31:36.440 --> 00:31:38.920 baggie full of shrooms and I'm like, hold on, mister shaman, man, 636 00:31:39.039 --> 00:31:41.039 those don't pop on a piss test too. They He's like, no, 637 00:31:41.119 --> 00:31:42.960 they do not. I'm like, all right, hit me, let's go. 638 00:31:43.279 --> 00:31:46.039 And I had no idea what dosaging was or how 639 00:31:46.279 --> 00:31:48.559 a small versus a large dose would hit me. Come 640 00:31:48.599 --> 00:31:52.160 to find out how a really fucking high tolerance for psychedelics. 641 00:31:52.160 --> 00:31:53.559 And it takes a lot to get me there. But 642 00:31:53.599 --> 00:31:55.240 once I get there, I'm fucking there. 643 00:31:55.720 --> 00:31:56.079 But Uh. 644 00:31:56.759 --> 00:31:59.480 Yeah. It took like two caps, and I was already 645 00:31:59.519 --> 00:32:01.119 kind of drinking at that point, and then I just 646 00:32:01.200 --> 00:32:03.559 kind of felt drunk er. About an hour layer I'm like, 647 00:32:03.599 --> 00:32:04.920 all right, hit me again, dude. So he gave me 648 00:32:04.920 --> 00:32:07.559 two more and I just felt drunk er er. Then 649 00:32:07.640 --> 00:32:09.440 I asked for another one said this is about three 650 00:32:09.480 --> 00:32:12.319 hours later. Three doses, and I just feel like really drunk, 651 00:32:12.400 --> 00:32:15.839 but nothing as far as psychedelics or nothing. Now, I'm like, look, 652 00:32:15.839 --> 00:32:20.160 I'm not trying to question your credentials, shaman, but this 653 00:32:20.240 --> 00:32:22.400 is kind of this is kind of ass. He's like, 654 00:32:22.440 --> 00:32:24.519 all right, priest. They kept calling me Prieste because I 655 00:32:24.599 --> 00:32:26.559 was the only Christian of the crew. He's like, here, 656 00:32:26.759 --> 00:32:28.720 grab what you want. So I took one of my 657 00:32:28.799 --> 00:32:31.880 big ass pawfuls of these, uh and it was just 658 00:32:31.960 --> 00:32:35.480 the regular mushrooms, nothing really crazy on this one, and 659 00:32:35.599 --> 00:32:37.599 just chowed that down and chugged a bottle of meat 660 00:32:37.599 --> 00:32:41.279 behind it, and boy, oh boy, when that hit, it 661 00:32:41.319 --> 00:32:44.079 took a minute. It took a good minute. Some colors 662 00:32:44.079 --> 00:32:46.200 started to get a little more vibrant, the feelings started 663 00:32:46.200 --> 00:32:47.599 to go a little different. Keep in mind, there's a 664 00:32:47.640 --> 00:32:50.319 drum circle going on with a big ass bonfire. They 665 00:32:50.359 --> 00:32:53.920 got wickens over here, they got druids over here, they 666 00:32:53.960 --> 00:32:56.160 got some sort of want to be like gypsy crew 667 00:32:56.200 --> 00:32:58.240 over here, and I'm showing with the Nordics, and like, 668 00:32:58.279 --> 00:33:01.400 you know, everybody's out there doing they own embolic thing, right. 669 00:33:02.079 --> 00:33:04.839 And I will say ten out of ten recommend as 670 00:33:04.839 --> 00:33:07.079 far as first time doing psychedelics, it should be at 671 00:33:07.119 --> 00:33:10.200 a pagan drum circle festival. That that just was awesome 672 00:33:10.720 --> 00:33:14.160 and long story short, I opened my eyes and I'm 673 00:33:14.200 --> 00:33:19.440 able to see nothing but golden clockwork and gears and 674 00:33:19.480 --> 00:33:23.039 cogs and everything is moving perfectly unisoned with each other. 675 00:33:23.119 --> 00:33:26.400 And I'm like, okay, so that's the point, the good 676 00:33:26.480 --> 00:33:28.440 and the bad of this world. It all has to 677 00:33:28.519 --> 00:33:32.160 mesh together because this doesn't fucking work without it. And 678 00:33:32.200 --> 00:33:36.440 that lasted. I felt like hours and hours and hours, 679 00:33:36.519 --> 00:33:40.119 probably about four hours of that type of good times 680 00:33:40.640 --> 00:33:43.480 and uh yeah, no come down the next day or anything. 681 00:33:43.559 --> 00:33:45.359 But I mean, I guess being the first time out 682 00:33:45.359 --> 00:33:47.319 the gate, maybe I wouldn't have experienced because I don't 683 00:33:47.319 --> 00:33:50.759 get hangovers, so you know, whatever, there's no hangover the. 684 00:33:50.720 --> 00:33:52.559 Fact that the fact that it did give you a 685 00:33:52.599 --> 00:33:56.000 hangover and then it healed the hangover from the alcohol. 686 00:33:56.200 --> 00:34:00.960 So that's like a that's you know, yeah, that's that's 687 00:34:01.200 --> 00:34:03.359 and that's so that's what we say because we were 688 00:34:03.400 --> 00:34:06.000 called acid for squares, But I mean we're pretty sober. 689 00:34:06.039 --> 00:34:07.920 We don't drink like we do, you know. We we 690 00:34:07.960 --> 00:34:10.679 only work with plant medicines on occasion when we need to. 691 00:34:11.320 --> 00:34:13.239 Uh the I mean this year, we're trying to have 692 00:34:13.239 --> 00:34:15.760 a kid, so we're doing nothing, nothing, nothing there you go, 693 00:34:16.239 --> 00:34:20.280 but uh the yeah, we always say, you know, what's 694 00:34:20.320 --> 00:34:22.960 a medicine or a drug based on if there's a hangover. 695 00:34:23.280 --> 00:34:26.599 So that's it. So like even like that's why, like 696 00:34:26.679 --> 00:34:29.719 even like LSD or MDMA, like we don't really fuck 697 00:34:29.760 --> 00:34:33.519 with because it because there's some sort of come down. 698 00:34:33.960 --> 00:34:36.239 All psychedelics have a little bit of an afterglow, but 699 00:34:36.480 --> 00:34:39.719 eventually there's a come down with the synthetics, so we don't. 700 00:34:40.320 --> 00:34:42.880 I would like to try LSD one day, but the 701 00:34:42.920 --> 00:34:45.159 problem I feel like we missed our window on that 702 00:34:45.320 --> 00:34:47.920 because well, I mean just for the curiosity of it, 703 00:34:48.000 --> 00:34:49.800 just to try ASCID for the first time, right, But 704 00:34:49.840 --> 00:34:52.119 the problem is I can't trust a source to not 705 00:34:52.159 --> 00:34:54.199 cut it with fentanyl or some other kind of chemical 706 00:34:54.239 --> 00:34:57.199 and I'm not gonna risk my life for an experience 707 00:34:57.239 --> 00:34:59.039 of a good time. It's just not worth it to me. 708 00:34:59.519 --> 00:35:01.000 But I feel like if I would have fucked around 709 00:35:01.000 --> 00:35:02.960 with it, like fifteen years ago, I might have gotten 710 00:35:03.000 --> 00:35:04.760 my hands on some good X and like these things 711 00:35:04.800 --> 00:35:05.960 it's just cute dressing. 712 00:35:06.079 --> 00:35:09.960 I feel the same way, dude. I tried what somebody 713 00:35:10.000 --> 00:35:12.760 told me was Mollie one time, and I was like, okay, 714 00:35:12.800 --> 00:35:15.719 I'll try it. I never tried it before, and which 715 00:35:15.760 --> 00:35:18.599 I had always thought that Mollie was just you know, 716 00:35:18.719 --> 00:35:21.840 the code name for like pure MDMA, which is you 717 00:35:21.840 --> 00:35:23.960 know what they give to like for like couples counseling, 718 00:35:24.039 --> 00:35:26.239 or they used to anyway, And so I was like, 719 00:35:26.239 --> 00:35:30.760 all right, I'll try it. I didn't know that after 720 00:35:31.000 --> 00:35:36.199 twenty minutes after partaking, I was speeding my ass off, 721 00:35:36.199 --> 00:35:38.480 and I was like, what am I supposed to be 722 00:35:38.559 --> 00:35:40.400 speeding right now? Like I feel like I just took 723 00:35:40.440 --> 00:35:43.079 like five adderalls, what the hell's going on? Come to 724 00:35:43.119 --> 00:35:45.960 find out it was laced with fucking meth. And I'm like, 725 00:35:46.159 --> 00:35:48.639 of course it was, because I can't trust any of 726 00:35:48.639 --> 00:35:52.239 these things, and so never did it again, and I'm like, nope, 727 00:35:52.360 --> 00:35:55.519 I will stick to as you like to say, the plants. 728 00:35:55.639 --> 00:35:57.679 You know, I like some like to partake in a 729 00:35:57.679 --> 00:36:00.599 little Mary Jane, some mushrooms from time time to time. 730 00:36:01.639 --> 00:36:06.239 We have a buddy that creates this one kind of 731 00:36:06.280 --> 00:36:08.360 psychedelic It's called. 732 00:36:08.159 --> 00:36:10.639 Ah four aco DMT. 733 00:36:10.639 --> 00:36:13.599 Four acho DMT. But it's supposed to be like a 734 00:36:14.239 --> 00:36:17.320 like a I can't remember the exact terminology, but it's 735 00:36:17.360 --> 00:36:19.840 basically four echo DMT. They say that it's kind of 736 00:36:19.880 --> 00:36:24.880 like a mesh between mushrooms and DMT together and designer drug. 737 00:36:24.920 --> 00:36:27.679 That's the word I was searching for. But and that 738 00:36:27.880 --> 00:36:31.679 is fascinating. I mean it is like, so I ended up. 739 00:36:31.880 --> 00:36:34.000 I did that before I ever tried DMT, and then 740 00:36:34.039 --> 00:36:37.079 I tried DMT, and I was like, oh, DMT is 741 00:36:37.159 --> 00:36:40.920 a whole nother level. And but the four echo DMT 742 00:36:41.039 --> 00:36:44.360 it is still awesome because it lasts for like three 743 00:36:44.440 --> 00:36:47.559 or four hours and you know, when you close your 744 00:36:47.599 --> 00:36:50.400 eyes and you go inside, depending on the dosage, it 745 00:36:50.519 --> 00:36:53.800 is like a DMT trip. Like it it's similar. It's 746 00:36:53.800 --> 00:36:57.800 not as extreme as DMT is, but you still are 747 00:36:57.920 --> 00:37:01.599 able to see like the g oh, you know, like 748 00:37:02.119 --> 00:37:08.320 this this weird world that is very geocentric and you know, 749 00:37:08.400 --> 00:37:10.760 you can learn a lot about yourself and go inward 750 00:37:10.840 --> 00:37:13.320 and I don't know, it's it is fascinating. As a 751 00:37:13.320 --> 00:37:15.360 matter of fact. The first time I did that, I 752 00:37:15.480 --> 00:37:18.119 was with our friend Christy and we were at her 753 00:37:18.400 --> 00:37:20.440 because our shop used to be in a crystal studio. 754 00:37:20.599 --> 00:37:22.800 She owned this crystal shop and me and her did 755 00:37:22.800 --> 00:37:25.679 it the first time, and it was like twenty minutes 756 00:37:25.719 --> 00:37:27.800 in as soon as it hit us, and we were 757 00:37:27.840 --> 00:37:29.559 just laying on the floor next to each other and 758 00:37:29.559 --> 00:37:31.960 we had like the like the cool lights and music 759 00:37:32.000 --> 00:37:34.800 and shit going and I just looked over at her 760 00:37:34.840 --> 00:37:39.360 and I said, this is so awesome. I'm already excited 761 00:37:39.400 --> 00:37:42.360 to do this again next time, Like I couldn't wait. 762 00:37:42.440 --> 00:37:46.679 Like it was so fascinating, so other, out of this world, 763 00:37:47.280 --> 00:37:50.000 and you know, you just feel like, I don't know, 764 00:37:50.039 --> 00:37:51.920 it's so strange because you think that you're seeing it 765 00:37:51.960 --> 00:37:54.320 for the first time, but yet it still feels familiar, 766 00:37:54.760 --> 00:37:57.039 you know, and there's something wild about that. 767 00:37:57.119 --> 00:37:59.960 I love it though, And this was DMT right. 768 00:38:00.159 --> 00:38:03.119 That was the forour ago DMT. The DMT I tried 769 00:38:03.159 --> 00:38:06.599 for the first time back in October, and I did 770 00:38:06.599 --> 00:38:10.360 it twice. The first time was went really well. I 771 00:38:10.360 --> 00:38:13.239 felt like it didn't last very long, and I feel 772 00:38:13.320 --> 00:38:15.599 like maybe I needed to do more. I don't know 773 00:38:15.639 --> 00:38:17.159 what gave me that idea. 774 00:38:18.000 --> 00:38:20.760 And so it last longer because like in reality, you 775 00:38:20.800 --> 00:38:23.000 even felt even in the DMT state, I was there. 776 00:38:23.039 --> 00:38:25.599 I remember every bit of this, and I was not 777 00:38:25.639 --> 00:38:27.159 in a very good mental place. So I did not 778 00:38:27.239 --> 00:38:29.280 partake because I'm not about to step off into the 779 00:38:29.360 --> 00:38:31.559 unknown when I'm already clouded with other shit, you know 780 00:38:31.559 --> 00:38:33.519 what I mean. That's just me. But so he it 781 00:38:33.599 --> 00:38:35.880 lasted like three minutes. Even in the DMT realm, he 782 00:38:35.920 --> 00:38:37.679 felt like it only lasted three minutes. So my boy 783 00:38:37.719 --> 00:38:39.159 decided to go ahead and double dose. 784 00:38:39.320 --> 00:38:43.519 And yeah, so I ended up doing double the amount 785 00:38:43.559 --> 00:38:46.639 that I did the first time. And it was absolutely 786 00:38:46.679 --> 00:38:50.880 world chattering, like I died, like I ceased to exist 787 00:38:50.920 --> 00:38:54.440 in this entire world, ceased to exist. And I felt like, 788 00:38:54.920 --> 00:38:58.039 oh my god, what did I just do? Because I'm 789 00:38:58.039 --> 00:39:00.280 so outgoing and I want to be that guy wants 790 00:39:00.320 --> 00:39:02.599 to double up on DMT and try and show off 791 00:39:02.639 --> 00:39:07.199 and try and be this character, and they're and bang, 792 00:39:07.320 --> 00:39:10.159 my reality is completely gone now because I just wanted 793 00:39:10.199 --> 00:39:13.079 to be a little extra today and it was. It 794 00:39:13.119 --> 00:39:16.360 made me go so internally and it was so wild, dude, 795 00:39:16.400 --> 00:39:20.119 because you know, like I literally forgot that I was 796 00:39:20.159 --> 00:39:22.760 a part of this world. I was in this other 797 00:39:22.800 --> 00:39:26.000 world and that's the only place I existed, and everything 798 00:39:26.039 --> 00:39:29.119 else I didn't even think about, Like I didn't even 799 00:39:29.159 --> 00:39:30.800 know that I was still on the couch, you know, 800 00:39:30.920 --> 00:39:34.159 like because they I mean, you are literally like the 801 00:39:34.239 --> 00:39:37.920 blast off is real, like and that is holy shit. 802 00:39:38.079 --> 00:39:40.880 Like I felt like the come up was so exciting, 803 00:39:40.920 --> 00:39:42.239 and you're like, oh my god, this is the best 804 00:39:42.239 --> 00:39:44.719 feeling I've ever had. It's like a million orgasms all 805 00:39:44.719 --> 00:39:46.679 at the same time, except for it's happening all over 806 00:39:46.679 --> 00:39:50.320 your body and it is just the most incredible feeling ever. 807 00:39:50.360 --> 00:39:52.920 And you're like, I'm home, baby, take me, I'm ready, 808 00:39:53.239 --> 00:39:56.760 and and like it's the best feeling. And then at 809 00:39:56.760 --> 00:39:59.400 a certain point it got to be too awesome and 810 00:39:59.480 --> 00:40:03.119 too and too amazing to where it started making me 811 00:40:03.239 --> 00:40:05.400 question everything, and I was like, oh god, I'm losing 812 00:40:05.400 --> 00:40:07.159 control of this. I don't have control, Like I'm no 813 00:40:07.199 --> 00:40:09.880 longer in control, and I was freaking out. And then 814 00:40:10.039 --> 00:40:13.440 out of nowhere, bang I'm inside of a Bucky's bathroom 815 00:40:13.800 --> 00:40:17.159 and just like standing like I'm peeing at a urnal 816 00:40:17.760 --> 00:40:20.400 in this trip. I don't know why, but I'm peeing 817 00:40:20.440 --> 00:40:22.920 at a jurnal and I'm like, how did I get here? 818 00:40:23.519 --> 00:40:26.960 And I'm just looking around and everybody's just acting like normal. Nothing, 819 00:40:27.000 --> 00:40:30.599 It's just another day in a Bucki's bathroom. And before 820 00:40:30.639 --> 00:40:33.280 you know it, I started to lose even more control, 821 00:40:33.360 --> 00:40:37.440 and every single part of my reality was dicing itself 822 00:40:37.760 --> 00:40:41.199 like a cheese grater, and it started going into cubes, 823 00:40:41.239 --> 00:40:44.480 and those cubes started changing and everything about my perspective 824 00:40:44.599 --> 00:40:46.360 was all over the place, and I was really tripping 825 00:40:46.360 --> 00:40:48.920 out because I lost control, and I was like, I'm 826 00:40:48.920 --> 00:40:50.559 never gonna be able to put this back over here, 827 00:40:50.599 --> 00:40:51.880 and I can't put it back over here, and this 828 00:40:51.920 --> 00:40:54.159 reality is going to be gone forever. And the more 829 00:40:54.199 --> 00:40:56.840 I stressed out, the more I tried to grasp for control, 830 00:40:56.960 --> 00:41:00.920 the less control I had. And then as those as 831 00:41:00.960 --> 00:41:03.599 those squares were changing up on me in my perspective, 832 00:41:03.639 --> 00:41:06.039 they started getting smaller and smaller and smaller until they 833 00:41:06.039 --> 00:41:08.760 turn into dust and they started to float away. And 834 00:41:08.800 --> 00:41:11.559 as they're floating away, I'm like, I am the most 835 00:41:11.599 --> 00:41:15.000 depressed that I've ever been, Like I could not believe 836 00:41:15.000 --> 00:41:17.559 that I just made this decision and everybody that I 837 00:41:17.599 --> 00:41:19.920 have ever met is gone, and I'm and it's all 838 00:41:19.960 --> 00:41:23.440 because of me. And and I eventually got to this 839 00:41:23.559 --> 00:41:26.280 point where I was in the void. There was no 840 00:41:26.360 --> 00:41:30.519 more BUCkies anymore. I'm I'm standing in total blackness. And 841 00:41:30.599 --> 00:41:32.559 it really scared the shit out of me, Like it 842 00:41:32.679 --> 00:41:36.039 was the most horrific nightmare of a nightmare that I've 843 00:41:36.079 --> 00:41:40.639 ever had until I was able to decipher and learn 844 00:41:40.840 --> 00:41:42.639 and and you know, the days went on and I 845 00:41:42.719 --> 00:41:46.840 was like, oh, okay, well it actually wasn't I mean, 846 00:41:46.880 --> 00:41:49.880 I didn't die, you know, like it might have seemed 847 00:41:49.920 --> 00:41:52.440 like I went to Hell or you know, or to 848 00:41:52.519 --> 00:41:56.159 the void or whatever, but still I was there as 849 00:41:56.199 --> 00:41:59.239 the awareness to observe where I was. And so I'm like, 850 00:41:59.280 --> 00:42:01.760 oh my god, so I'm not dying that like I'm 851 00:42:01.800 --> 00:42:04.159 still existing, like this place has to still be here. 852 00:42:04.199 --> 00:42:05.800 So it gave me a little bit of hope. And 853 00:42:05.840 --> 00:42:08.199 I was like, well, I wonder where everybody else is at, 854 00:42:08.280 --> 00:42:10.320 you know, talking about Jacob and everybody else that was 855 00:42:10.360 --> 00:42:12.039 in the room while we were doing the DMT or 856 00:42:12.079 --> 00:42:15.039 because we took turns with it, and I started to 857 00:42:15.039 --> 00:42:17.119 open up my eyes and I was still feeling very 858 00:42:17.119 --> 00:42:18.960 depressed at this time. I started open up my eyes 859 00:42:18.960 --> 00:42:21.559 a little bit and I could see everybody still sitting 860 00:42:21.599 --> 00:42:24.440 around me and just sitting there and staring at me, 861 00:42:24.480 --> 00:42:27.039 and I'm like, oh man, this isn't even reality. This 862 00:42:27.159 --> 00:42:29.840 is just like this is a wish. I want this 863 00:42:29.920 --> 00:42:31.639 to be true. I know it's not true. I just 864 00:42:31.679 --> 00:42:33.880 saw reality just go away in front of my eyes, 865 00:42:34.400 --> 00:42:37.039 and like I woke up. Finally I was able to 866 00:42:37.079 --> 00:42:40.079 open my eyes and I was finally able to convince 867 00:42:40.119 --> 00:42:42.679 myself that I was back there in that room, and 868 00:42:43.280 --> 00:42:45.079 the most shooketh I. 869 00:42:45.159 --> 00:42:47.639 Was shook it for like a month after that, by 870 00:42:47.639 --> 00:42:47.960 the way. 871 00:42:48.599 --> 00:42:50.760 Yeah yeah, And it was, uh, it would do is 872 00:42:50.760 --> 00:42:53.840 the scariest thing. And I remember saying like I wouldn't 873 00:42:53.880 --> 00:42:56.960 wish that on the devil Like that experience. I was like, 874 00:42:57.239 --> 00:43:00.159 there is nobody that ever deserves to go through that. 875 00:43:00.559 --> 00:43:04.360 But looking back at it, that that experience was way 876 00:43:04.400 --> 00:43:07.360 more profound than my awesome DMT experience. I was able 877 00:43:07.400 --> 00:43:10.480 to garner so much more meaning about this reality and 878 00:43:10.559 --> 00:43:12.920 you know, in my mind and the people around me 879 00:43:13.039 --> 00:43:16.320 and appreciate everybody around me and everything like so yeah, 880 00:43:16.480 --> 00:43:19.199 I mean the first time I did it, I was like, 881 00:43:19.519 --> 00:43:21.679 I'm going to do this every single day. And then 882 00:43:21.719 --> 00:43:23.559 the second time I did it, which was literally like 883 00:43:23.639 --> 00:43:27.320 fifteen minutes after that, I said, maybe not every day. 884 00:43:28.239 --> 00:43:30.079 You know, you said, don't never touch the shit again, 885 00:43:30.199 --> 00:43:32.639 at least in the moment you said that. Yeah. 886 00:43:32.719 --> 00:43:35.840 So the thing is with so with DMT, with your experience. 887 00:43:36.039 --> 00:43:38.559 The thing is is that so working with DMT in 888 00:43:38.599 --> 00:43:41.280 any form. So ayahuasca is another form of DMT. It's 889 00:43:41.400 --> 00:43:44.440 just you know, if the sharkronal leaf which produces the 890 00:43:44.519 --> 00:43:47.199 DMT in the ayahuasca vine, which elongates it into like 891 00:43:47.239 --> 00:43:49.679 an eight hour experience, it allows you to promise Yeah, 892 00:43:49.760 --> 00:43:51.639 so it doesn't process so fast to your body. That's 893 00:43:51.639 --> 00:43:53.920 why your experience is a couple minutes long because DMT 894 00:43:54.039 --> 00:43:57.119 process is really really fast. So the thing was stepping 895 00:43:57.199 --> 00:44:00.599 to any sort of DMT is that you're facing death 896 00:44:01.000 --> 00:44:04.320 to realize death isn't real. So you experience death to 897 00:44:04.320 --> 00:44:05.800 realize that it's not real. So on the other side, 898 00:44:05.800 --> 00:44:07.800 you're like, oh my god, I'm dying. But then afterwards 899 00:44:07.840 --> 00:44:10.239 you're like, wait a second, that felt really real and 900 00:44:10.280 --> 00:44:13.199 that was really real, but I didn't die, and you 901 00:44:13.480 --> 00:44:17.840 lose the fear of death. Second, with DMT, if you're 902 00:44:19.039 --> 00:44:20.800 using it the way that you're working with it, the 903 00:44:20.800 --> 00:44:24.719 way you did. So they usually say three times is 904 00:44:24.719 --> 00:44:28.000 when you blast off into and like literally return to God. 905 00:44:28.440 --> 00:44:31.280 So you're supposed to do it three times fast in 906 00:44:31.320 --> 00:44:35.400 a row. So the same thing happened to me the 907 00:44:35.440 --> 00:44:37.559 first time I ever did DMT, because I knew nothing 908 00:44:37.599 --> 00:44:42.880 about it, And I ended up doing this with two 909 00:44:42.920 --> 00:44:45.280 of my friends. And the first we all took like 910 00:44:45.400 --> 00:44:48.039 one hit of this and nothing really happened, and we 911 00:44:48.039 --> 00:44:49.599 were like, oh, I don't I think we did it wrong. 912 00:44:49.639 --> 00:44:53.039 So we did a second one, and I was sitting 913 00:44:53.079 --> 00:44:57.440 on a couch also, and all of a sudden, I 914 00:44:57.519 --> 00:45:00.519 left my body and I was floating above my body, 915 00:45:00.599 --> 00:45:02.519 and I looked down and I could literally see my 916 00:45:02.599 --> 00:45:05.519 body on the couch, and my friends were staring at 917 00:45:05.519 --> 00:45:07.400 my body on the couch, not staring at me that 918 00:45:07.480 --> 00:45:10.960 was floating up above it. Then everything turned totally white 919 00:45:11.320 --> 00:45:15.280 into like this white void, and this line appeared in 920 00:45:15.280 --> 00:45:17.920 front of me and opened up, and these three ets 921 00:45:18.000 --> 00:45:21.840 walked towards me and they go, Hi, We're interdimensional beings 922 00:45:21.880 --> 00:45:24.840 traveling along the timeline of human existence, trying to find 923 00:45:24.840 --> 00:45:27.360 out when humans found their power. In twenty twelve, a 924 00:45:27.400 --> 00:45:31.280 portal had opened, which means that humans cannot go backwards, 925 00:45:31.320 --> 00:45:34.360 they could only progress forward. They were like, you, the 926 00:45:34.400 --> 00:45:38.360 power of the human lies between the brain and the soul. 927 00:45:38.440 --> 00:45:40.719 They pointed at the harp and said soul. So they said, 928 00:45:40.719 --> 00:45:43.119 the powerlighte of the human is between the brain and 929 00:45:43.159 --> 00:45:45.679 the soul. And they're like, we don't have the same 930 00:45:45.760 --> 00:45:49.840 makeup as you, so we're really interested in your power 931 00:45:49.840 --> 00:45:52.360 and who you guys are. And then the line closes. 932 00:45:52.440 --> 00:45:54.559 It it disappears, and I go back into my body 933 00:45:54.559 --> 00:45:58.079 and I'm like, there's three etis and the other guys 934 00:45:58.079 --> 00:46:00.239 had no similar experience. They were like, I don't know 935 00:46:00.280 --> 00:46:01.519 what was kind of fractally. 936 00:46:01.679 --> 00:46:03.599 And I want to add I want to add to this. 937 00:46:03.920 --> 00:46:06.800 The so like the because I love that story so much. 938 00:46:07.639 --> 00:46:08.320 That's awesome. 939 00:46:08.840 --> 00:46:12.000 The everything you just explained, I mean, the fact of 940 00:46:12.000 --> 00:46:13.480 the matter, and this is very much what asked for 941 00:46:13.519 --> 00:46:16.960 squares is about. Is these are ancient strawmanic tools of 942 00:46:16.960 --> 00:46:20.559 initiation it to form a communion with God, and that's 943 00:46:20.599 --> 00:46:23.159 what they are. So they're being essentially so one. They 944 00:46:23.159 --> 00:46:26.599 were criminalized in the drug war and there's two reasons 945 00:46:26.639 --> 00:46:29.320 this happened. One one of the first reasons that happened 946 00:46:29.320 --> 00:46:32.199 in North America was because there was a we were 947 00:46:32.239 --> 00:46:36.000 warring with the indigenous people of North America and to 948 00:46:36.039 --> 00:46:39.119 the colonials, there was a lot of superstition around the 949 00:46:39.159 --> 00:46:42.320 magic of the indigenous people with their witchcraft and witch doctors, 950 00:46:42.440 --> 00:46:44.599 you know as witch doctors. So one of the things 951 00:46:44.599 --> 00:46:48.079 they did to gain control over them is they criminalize 952 00:46:48.119 --> 00:46:50.039 their medicines. So this is one of the reasons. This 953 00:46:50.079 --> 00:46:53.039 is one of the first reasons why these medicines were 954 00:46:53.039 --> 00:46:55.079 criminalized and are misunderstood into this day. 955 00:46:55.239 --> 00:46:55.960 That makes sense. 956 00:46:56.639 --> 00:46:58.880 Then the next thing that happened, essentially was there was 957 00:46:58.920 --> 00:47:02.360 a renaissance in the fifth these in the sixties around 958 00:47:02.559 --> 00:47:05.360 you know, psilocybin LSD. You know, I don't have to 959 00:47:05.400 --> 00:47:06.920 go into that. You know, this is with like the 960 00:47:06.920 --> 00:47:11.079 Harvard Psychedelic Club and Terence McKenna and all those those folks. 961 00:47:13.199 --> 00:47:18.239 So during the Vietnam War and the Vietnam protests, obviously 962 00:47:18.280 --> 00:47:21.960 we invaded Vietnam under false pretenses as the government likes 963 00:47:22.000 --> 00:47:25.880 to do, and there were all these protests for peace 964 00:47:26.039 --> 00:47:30.360 against the war, and this has proven Nixon used drugs 965 00:47:30.400 --> 00:47:34.639 to shut down the anti war protests, and he criminalized 966 00:47:34.679 --> 00:47:37.400 them to shut them down. This is just fact. At 967 00:47:37.400 --> 00:47:40.079 this point, his aids have come out, they've written books 968 00:47:40.119 --> 00:47:43.360 about this, and this has been criminalized ever since then. 969 00:47:43.800 --> 00:47:47.719 It's very fascinating. The like the hearings they did when 970 00:47:47.719 --> 00:47:51.440 they were criminalizing these modalities. They said, there's a line 971 00:47:51.440 --> 00:47:57.719 in it they said these drugs will deculturate the masses, 972 00:47:57.800 --> 00:48:00.440 which is exactly what they do. They removed the culture 973 00:48:00.480 --> 00:48:03.920 from the top. They break down the culture. But the 974 00:48:04.079 --> 00:48:06.239 point is is now today with the Internet, which this 975 00:48:06.400 --> 00:48:08.440 goes back to the cult of conspiracy, is we've never 976 00:48:08.480 --> 00:48:12.079 had access to such so much information and so now 977 00:48:12.119 --> 00:48:14.719 these ancient tools are being democratized, which we believe that 978 00:48:14.840 --> 00:48:17.400 essentially these are in the Bible. They're written all about we, 979 00:48:17.639 --> 00:48:19.679 you know, we believe Christ we might have been working 980 00:48:19.679 --> 00:48:21.679 with this stuff. You know how, what better way to 981 00:48:21.719 --> 00:48:24.960 turn water into wine than the put a little uh whatever, 982 00:48:25.119 --> 00:48:27.920 you know, whatever you're doing. I don't mean to minimize 983 00:48:27.920 --> 00:48:32.280 any miracles, Jacob, I'm saying this actually in support of 984 00:48:32.400 --> 00:48:35.880 the miracles. You know, people talk about like the Akesha, 985 00:48:35.960 --> 00:48:37.679 but the burning of the bush was believed to be 986 00:48:37.719 --> 00:48:41.239 in Akesha tree, which is produces d MT. Right. So 987 00:48:41.440 --> 00:48:43.719 the point is, though, is that these are ancient tools 988 00:48:43.760 --> 00:48:47.360 for communing with God directly. And what these are these 989 00:48:47.519 --> 00:48:49.719 do is they give you what's known as a shamanic initiation. 990 00:48:50.239 --> 00:48:52.320 So the way the medicines work is they give you 991 00:48:52.360 --> 00:48:54.599 what we call the sugarcoat, which is they will give 992 00:48:54.599 --> 00:48:57.599 you a positive experience at first, because they want you 993 00:48:57.639 --> 00:49:00.880 to come back and they want you to like the experience. Right, 994 00:49:00.920 --> 00:49:02.920 it's like, oh, sex feels good, Maybe I'll have a kid. 995 00:49:02.960 --> 00:49:03.760 And then you're raising a kid. 996 00:49:03.800 --> 00:49:04.400 You' like what off? 997 00:49:04.400 --> 00:49:09.599 Fuck? Right? Yeah, So the you know, so the medicines, 998 00:49:09.639 --> 00:49:12.559 these the plants, not I'm not taught LSD, not kennemine, 999 00:49:12.559 --> 00:49:15.000 not MDMA. I'm talking about the plant medicines. And we 1000 00:49:15.039 --> 00:49:19.519 can get into why this is. But they they they 1001 00:49:19.719 --> 00:49:21.960 they are very advanced. When you work with them, they're like, 1002 00:49:22.000 --> 00:49:23.639 this is something else. This is not a drug, this 1003 00:49:23.719 --> 00:49:24.679 is some fucking thing. 1004 00:49:24.840 --> 00:49:25.880 It's a technology. 1005 00:49:25.920 --> 00:49:29.639 It seems it's a technology exactly. And and so the 1006 00:49:29.719 --> 00:49:32.960 technology they they they give you a sugarcoat. So the 1007 00:49:33.000 --> 00:49:34.800 first time you're like, yeah, hey, I can do this 1008 00:49:34.840 --> 00:49:37.800 every day, and then comes the work and then comes 1009 00:49:37.840 --> 00:49:40.440 the lesson, the spiritual lesson. So the next time you 1010 00:49:40.519 --> 00:49:43.639 go in, they're like, and now you're gonna die. Now 1011 00:49:43.639 --> 00:49:46.400 we're gonna take you through the help, through through your psyche. 1012 00:49:46.440 --> 00:49:49.719 Now you're gonna stare, be dragged through your shadow and 1013 00:49:49.719 --> 00:49:51.519 then you have to put yourself back together again. But 1014 00:49:51.559 --> 00:49:54.639 the problem is is that because it's been brought, it's 1015 00:49:54.679 --> 00:49:58.320 been demonized as a drug. It's also been processed in 1016 00:49:58.360 --> 00:50:01.880 the cultural consciousness as something we do when we party 1017 00:50:01.960 --> 00:50:05.039 or recreational or to have fun, to avoid maybe to 1018 00:50:05.559 --> 00:50:07.679 get away from our worries. That's not how they work. 1019 00:50:08.400 --> 00:50:11.360 And the crazy thing about it is that the technologies 1020 00:50:11.360 --> 00:50:14.039 will call them are so smart, they're not gonna they 1021 00:50:14.039 --> 00:50:16.480 don't want to like ruin your life and make you 1022 00:50:16.599 --> 00:50:19.679 die at a party where you're gonna go fucking crazy 1023 00:50:19.719 --> 00:50:21.880 and resist and take off your clothes and be arrested. 1024 00:50:22.320 --> 00:50:26.800 So like, there's tools that if you bring to it, 1025 00:50:26.880 --> 00:50:29.039 like being in a safe set and setting eating a 1026 00:50:29.079 --> 00:50:32.920 certain way, doing things in a certain way, you will 1027 00:50:33.000 --> 00:50:36.119 be able to go into deeper states and more controlled states. 1028 00:50:36.320 --> 00:50:39.880 It's setting an intention also, it's set setting intention and 1029 00:50:40.159 --> 00:50:42.400 dose and quality. 1030 00:50:42.440 --> 00:50:45.239 I guess yeah, I agree. If you're taking psychedelics to 1031 00:50:45.920 --> 00:50:48.719 be a party drug. You're just wrong, Like right off 1032 00:50:48.760 --> 00:50:51.079 the rim, this is the incorrect way to do this. 1033 00:50:51.079 --> 00:50:53.440 This is and I mean even with my beliefs and 1034 00:50:53.440 --> 00:50:56.400 my experiences with psychedelics, which is minimal, I might add, 1035 00:50:56.800 --> 00:50:59.519 but I mean I did microdose for like six months 1036 00:50:59.559 --> 00:51:01.599 and that got off of drinking, So I mean that 1037 00:51:01.960 --> 00:51:05.079 I've had very positive experiences with them as well. But 1038 00:51:05.440 --> 00:51:07.559 at the same time, it's like, this is not I 1039 00:51:07.880 --> 00:51:09.760 same way you are saying it's like a technology. I 1040 00:51:09.760 --> 00:51:12.159 see it as like a tool. Okay, Now you can 1041 00:51:12.239 --> 00:51:15.119 improperly use a tool and fuck your whole world up, 1042 00:51:15.519 --> 00:51:17.440 or you can use it the correct way, with the 1043 00:51:17.480 --> 00:51:20.760 correct intention and you can gain very good things from it. 1044 00:51:21.039 --> 00:51:23.159 I see it as the same thing. And there's also 1045 00:51:23.360 --> 00:51:26.199 very much a case of overdoing it, right. I'm not 1046 00:51:26.199 --> 00:51:29.480 saying o ding, but like you can go too far 1047 00:51:29.519 --> 00:51:32.039 with it just because like Jonathan you, I would say 1048 00:51:32.039 --> 00:51:34.119 overdid it with the DMT, because you were trying to 1049 00:51:34.119 --> 00:51:37.480 push boundaries, which is very normal for humans to do. 1050 00:51:37.519 --> 00:51:40.679 We as creatures want to push boundaries actually a nature. 1051 00:51:40.920 --> 00:51:44.440 Looking back, I think that that was exactly what was 1052 00:51:44.480 --> 00:51:47.239 supposed to happen, you know, like I don't look back 1053 00:51:47.280 --> 00:51:50.079 and say, oh, I overdid it anymore. In the moment, sure, 1054 00:51:50.119 --> 00:51:52.239 I was definitely thinking that. I was like, what the 1055 00:51:52.280 --> 00:51:54.599 fuck did I just do with my mind? You know, 1056 00:51:54.840 --> 00:51:58.039 But you know, coming out of that and all these 1057 00:51:58.119 --> 00:52:00.519 months to you know, look back and rem miss and 1058 00:52:00.519 --> 00:52:03.079 trying to decipher it a little bit like it was 1059 00:52:03.719 --> 00:52:07.039 essential to my life moving forward, like it was not 1060 00:52:07.320 --> 00:52:09.559 out of step at all, right. 1061 00:52:09.440 --> 00:52:12.360 Totally, And you know, these are warrior medicines. The first 1062 00:52:12.360 --> 00:52:15.599 time I worked with DMT was in the jungle. I 1063 00:52:15.800 --> 00:52:18.079 was snorting it out of a four thousand year old 1064 00:52:18.159 --> 00:52:21.519 human finger bone, and the amazon was called the Ceremony 1065 00:52:21.519 --> 00:52:22.639 of Life, Death and Rebirth. 1066 00:52:23.039 --> 00:52:25.880 And this is already wild as fuck, no matter what 1067 00:52:25.920 --> 00:52:28.360 you're about to say next, Good god, bro, you know, 1068 00:52:28.880 --> 00:52:31.280 out of a human fingerbone, that is awesome. 1069 00:52:31.360 --> 00:52:34.719 You have no idea how hardcore, like I mean we are. 1070 00:52:35.159 --> 00:52:38.519 This This shit is insane, I mean insane. And it 1071 00:52:38.599 --> 00:52:41.000 took so much for us to be public about this stuff. 1072 00:52:41.639 --> 00:52:44.679 It took years and years of us processing and integrating 1073 00:52:44.679 --> 00:52:47.039 me be like, all right, like time to talk about 1074 00:52:47.079 --> 00:52:51.000 fight club. Uh so, but okay, so do this ceremonies. 1075 00:52:51.039 --> 00:52:52.880 The first time. It's called the Ceremony of Life, Death 1076 00:52:52.920 --> 00:52:55.320 and Rebirth. And I'm in the Amazon and one of 1077 00:52:55.360 --> 00:52:57.239 the things that shaman says is he pulls out the 1078 00:52:57.239 --> 00:53:01.119 finger bone and the vilka, the DMT it's planting. He says, 1079 00:53:02.400 --> 00:53:06.800 this tool is from this religious order in the Amazon, 1080 00:53:06.920 --> 00:53:10.280 and says, this ceremony you're about to do is was 1081 00:53:10.360 --> 00:53:14.519 reserved for the highest priests in this order as their 1082 00:53:14.559 --> 00:53:18.519 initiation into the highest priesthood. And you're about to get 1083 00:53:18.519 --> 00:53:21.320 to do this. And we we you know, we do 1084 00:53:21.400 --> 00:53:24.039 the ceremony and it's a beautiful ceremony. But the point 1085 00:53:24.199 --> 00:53:28.440 is is to say, like that is what you just did. 1086 00:53:28.880 --> 00:53:32.760 It's warrior medicine. Like this stuff. The most brutal experiences 1087 00:53:32.800 --> 00:53:35.280 of our entire lives are these ceremonies. Yet we're out 1088 00:53:35.320 --> 00:53:38.320 here going, hey, let's let's up. The truth is it's 1089 00:53:38.360 --> 00:53:41.119 like a form. It's like spiritual waterboarding, I mean, but 1090 00:53:41.639 --> 00:53:46.000 simultaneously having this hellish experience that will heal you and 1091 00:53:46.039 --> 00:53:48.360 we can go into the healings. We literally have physical 1092 00:53:48.639 --> 00:53:52.400 animals healed, We've got brain scans, We've taken our families 1093 00:53:52.440 --> 00:53:55.119 to the medicine I'm a straight edged mother, like like 1094 00:53:55.239 --> 00:53:58.320 it's we we we put this ship to the test. 1095 00:53:58.760 --> 00:54:02.159 But it's warriors medicine. If you're willing to go there, 1096 00:54:02.360 --> 00:54:05.039 you can go there. And it's not just for you. 1097 00:54:05.079 --> 00:54:09.880 By breaking, by using your consciousness to stretch the collective 1098 00:54:09.880 --> 00:54:14.920 field of consciousness, you are essentially spiritually evolving the entire species. 1099 00:54:15.159 --> 00:54:18.880 You're essentially evolving the ancestral genetic line of the species. 1100 00:54:19.119 --> 00:54:22.880 So you're essentially saying, Okay, I'm doing this shit, like 1101 00:54:23.119 --> 00:54:25.840 let's go. But the problem is is people usually don't 1102 00:54:25.840 --> 00:54:28.159 prep for integration, like you know, like you're gonna have 1103 00:54:28.199 --> 00:54:30.760 a couple of months and it needs to be like 1104 00:54:31.599 --> 00:54:33.119 there's so much you can do. 1105 00:54:33.079 --> 00:54:35.719 From diet to rest to journaling. 1106 00:54:35.760 --> 00:54:37.400 I mean, one of our teachers, Ky, we had him 1107 00:54:37.440 --> 00:54:40.119 on the show. He says, this is a threefold path. 1108 00:54:40.239 --> 00:54:44.559 It's medicine, meditation, therapy. He says, you need those three 1109 00:54:44.599 --> 00:54:46.719 and if you do not, He's like, then it's pretty 1110 00:54:46.760 --> 00:54:49.159 much not gonna be able to integrate the tools. 1111 00:54:49.199 --> 00:54:49.400 You know. 1112 00:54:49.599 --> 00:54:51.199 I just want to speak to that because I know 1113 00:54:51.280 --> 00:54:52.760 it's like, yeah. 1114 00:54:52.880 --> 00:54:57.440 Yeah, that is so yeah. I fully agree about like 1115 00:54:57.920 --> 00:55:01.199 it also helping to expand the re of human consciousness 1116 00:55:01.199 --> 00:55:03.920 and it's not really that crazy. Whenever you hear terms 1117 00:55:04.000 --> 00:55:06.800 like what is it like the hundredth monkey syndrome like 1118 00:55:06.920 --> 00:55:09.679 that kind of thing, Like one monkey experience is something 1119 00:55:09.760 --> 00:55:12.679 and it carries on and somehow it's written within their 1120 00:55:12.800 --> 00:55:15.800 DNA and now that's just their reality. It's like why 1121 00:55:15.800 --> 00:55:18.400 do all dogs smell each other's asses? You know, Like 1122 00:55:18.519 --> 00:55:22.840 why is it that certain animals do certain things right 1123 00:55:22.880 --> 00:55:25.000 out the womb? They didn't have to be taught that. 1124 00:55:25.280 --> 00:55:26.480 That's just what they do. 1125 00:55:26.639 --> 00:55:26.840 You know. 1126 00:55:27.079 --> 00:55:30.719 And I think it just like traveled on through the 1127 00:55:30.760 --> 00:55:35.639 lineage of previous dogs experience somehow. And yeah, I vibe 1128 00:55:35.639 --> 00:55:40.360 with the idea that it could be essentially like building 1129 00:55:40.800 --> 00:55:43.840 like expanding all consciousness. Like I think that that is 1130 00:55:43.880 --> 00:55:47.000 actually probably what's going on right now because this used 1131 00:55:47.000 --> 00:55:51.320 to be such an off topic kind of discussion. You know, 1132 00:55:51.400 --> 00:55:53.760 nobody wanted to talk about people who who did any 1133 00:55:53.840 --> 00:55:55.719 kind of psychedelics and if you did, oh, that's your 1134 00:55:55.760 --> 00:55:58.039 crazy ant over there. So you just ate some mushrooms 1135 00:55:58.159 --> 00:56:00.000 or you know, like don't go hang out with them. 1136 00:56:00.159 --> 00:56:04.320 They're into psychedelics, you know, And are my favorites? 1137 00:56:04.840 --> 00:56:05.119 Is that? 1138 00:56:05.480 --> 00:56:05.639 Oh? 1139 00:56:05.639 --> 00:56:07.360 Well, you know, you don't want to hang out with 1140 00:56:07.400 --> 00:56:11.320 those people that who who have melted their brains off 1141 00:56:11.360 --> 00:56:15.079 of acid or something like that, Like they're clearly just 1142 00:56:15.199 --> 00:56:17.599 not of this realm or something like that anymore. They're 1143 00:56:17.679 --> 00:56:21.719 they've gone cuckoo for cocoa puffs. And I'm like, actually, 1144 00:56:22.480 --> 00:56:25.239 kind of yes, but in the best way possible, Like 1145 00:56:25.320 --> 00:56:27.039 that's the kind of people that I want to put 1146 00:56:27.039 --> 00:56:30.840 myself around, because you're not so structured in this reality, 1147 00:56:30.920 --> 00:56:35.039 like you were talking about, it breaks apart cultural everything 1148 00:56:35.079 --> 00:56:38.039 at that point, because and especially even just with even 1149 00:56:38.079 --> 00:56:40.480 outside of psychedelics, like the past life regression stuff I 1150 00:56:40.519 --> 00:56:43.760 was telling you earlier, Dude, people have past life regressions 1151 00:56:43.800 --> 00:56:46.519 of being the opposite sex, of being a different race, 1152 00:56:46.639 --> 00:56:49.639 of being a part of a different religion. And then 1153 00:56:49.679 --> 00:56:55.559 you're like, oh, so the idea of segregation is stupid 1154 00:56:55.679 --> 00:56:58.400 as fuck? Is really what it is? Like anytime you're 1155 00:56:58.400 --> 00:57:01.039 trying to, you know, act like you're high and mighty 1156 00:57:01.119 --> 00:57:04.599 because of your because of your skin color, or your 1157 00:57:04.639 --> 00:57:07.519 cultural beliefs, or your religious beliefs, or whatever the case 1158 00:57:07.559 --> 00:57:10.000 may be, it's like, oh, I used to think the 1159 00:57:10.000 --> 00:57:12.079 same thing back in my past life, whenever I was 1160 00:57:12.119 --> 00:57:14.800 this different religion, this different sex and this different race, 1161 00:57:14.880 --> 00:57:18.119 and here everybody is with these all these culture wars, 1162 00:57:18.159 --> 00:57:20.960 and it's like, you're so silly. Why do you base 1163 00:57:21.000 --> 00:57:24.760 your entire identity on these things. That's not you, that's 1164 00:57:24.800 --> 00:57:26.000 just you in this life. 1165 00:57:26.679 --> 00:57:28.639 Yeah, that's I mean, you just said it right there. 1166 00:57:28.639 --> 00:57:30.519 And like the crazy thing and it's a hard thing 1167 00:57:30.559 --> 00:57:34.840 for us to reconcile is that, you know, people say 1168 00:57:34.840 --> 00:57:36.880 it makes you lose your mind, it makes you lose 1169 00:57:36.920 --> 00:57:40.039 their mind, the programmed mind. But on the other side, 1170 00:57:40.159 --> 00:57:41.800 I mean, we were very did not want to work 1171 00:57:41.800 --> 00:57:43.440 with stuff because we didn't want to lose our minds. 1172 00:57:43.480 --> 00:57:46.360 And then next thing, you know, here we are, here, 1173 00:57:46.440 --> 00:57:49.599 we are I mean, the you know, but the truth 1174 00:57:49.719 --> 00:57:52.599 is is that in a sick society, truth will always 1175 00:57:52.599 --> 00:57:57.159 look like insanity and being a functional enormy, you know, 1176 00:57:57.480 --> 00:58:00.800 being susceptible to mimetics, to mimesis where you're mimicking your 1177 00:58:00.880 --> 00:58:03.639 environment to just to increase your chance of survival. You 1178 00:58:03.679 --> 00:58:11.159 are mimicking a inherently corrupt, decaying, cytick, toxic, deceitful culture. 1179 00:58:11.480 --> 00:58:13.840 And you know. So, I mean, so that's a weird 1180 00:58:13.880 --> 00:58:16.000 thing for us to reconcile because we look around and like, 1181 00:58:16.039 --> 00:58:18.440 we interview a lot of these people that do this work, 1182 00:58:18.480 --> 00:58:20.719 and yeah, they're a little kooky, a little left of center, 1183 00:58:20.760 --> 00:58:23.599 but it's like, well, where you're gonna go. If you're 1184 00:58:23.599 --> 00:58:25.920 not center, you're gonna be a little bit, a little 1185 00:58:25.960 --> 00:58:29.159 bit out there. And that's cause that's where you're heading. 1186 00:58:29.199 --> 00:58:31.719 If you're working on evolving the cultural conscious or your 1187 00:58:31.760 --> 00:58:35.320 individual conscious, you're gonna move away from the cultural orthodoxy. 1188 00:58:35.599 --> 00:58:38.480 And then like the yeah, I mean, the the only 1189 00:58:38.519 --> 00:58:42.880 thing I uh yeah, I guess I just add that 1190 00:58:42.880 --> 00:58:45.039 that's asked for squares like that's become our slug. We 1191 00:58:45.119 --> 00:58:47.559 just say we're all mad here, you know, because since 1192 00:58:47.679 --> 00:58:48.599 it is what it is, you. 1193 00:58:48.519 --> 00:58:50.800 Know, Oh yeah, dude. You know what's funny is is 1194 00:58:50.800 --> 00:58:54.639 that I recently saw like an old clip of whenever 1195 00:58:55.159 --> 00:58:57.840 Alex Jones went on to the Joe Rogan Show. It 1196 00:58:57.880 --> 00:59:00.920 was like four or five years ago, and I you know, 1197 00:59:00.960 --> 00:59:04.320 at the time, I wasn't huge into listening to Joe Rogan, Like, 1198 00:59:04.360 --> 00:59:06.079 I mean, I love Joe Rogan. I mean I think 1199 00:59:06.079 --> 00:59:07.719 it's a great show, all the great guests and everything, 1200 00:59:07.760 --> 00:59:10.559 but like you know, at the time, I was listening 1201 00:59:10.639 --> 00:59:12.920 to other shows. But then every single time that he 1202 00:59:12.920 --> 00:59:15.239 had Alex Jones on or like people like Eddie Bravo. 1203 00:59:15.360 --> 00:59:17.880 I'm like, I'm there, like I want to listen to 1204 00:59:17.920 --> 00:59:20.599 those conversations. And there was this old clip I think 1205 00:59:20.639 --> 00:59:22.519 it was from three four or five years ago something 1206 00:59:22.519 --> 00:59:25.159 like that of Alex Jones going on one of his 1207 00:59:25.280 --> 00:59:28.400 rants as he does, and he's talking about like how 1208 00:59:28.440 --> 00:59:32.320 they know they whoever they are, the elite of the 1209 00:59:32.360 --> 00:59:36.440 world or whatever, they know that like the basis and 1210 00:59:36.480 --> 00:59:40.000 the foundation of this reality is less structural and more 1211 00:59:40.280 --> 00:59:43.480 like a dream, that this is something that like we're 1212 00:59:43.519 --> 00:59:45.960 living in a dream. We think it's reality, and they 1213 00:59:46.039 --> 00:59:48.039 know this and they're manipulating it. And that's how they're 1214 00:59:48.039 --> 00:59:49.679 able to get away with so many things because they 1215 00:59:49.800 --> 00:59:52.559 understand reality as it is, not as we think that 1216 00:59:52.639 --> 00:59:55.320 it is, and it's I was like, holy shit, Alex 1217 00:59:55.400 --> 00:59:58.239 Jones on something right now, and and that's kind of 1218 00:59:58.280 --> 01:00:01.199 like what I've come to too since that, you know, 1219 01:00:01.480 --> 01:00:05.000 I mean, I've I've had multiple psychedelic experiences and they're 1220 01:00:05.039 --> 01:00:09.280 wide ranging and they're awesome, but there was you know, 1221 01:00:09.920 --> 01:00:13.199 I've come to understand that like that's not a figment 1222 01:00:13.239 --> 01:00:16.400 of my imagination. What we experience in psychedelics, that is 1223 01:00:16.480 --> 01:00:19.239 an experience, and the same thing. I look at my 1224 01:00:19.360 --> 01:00:23.000 dreams and nightmares and all these things, meditative experiences, past 1225 01:00:23.039 --> 01:00:26.519 life regressions and all these things their experiences. And I 1226 01:00:26.599 --> 01:00:30.199 got to experience that was I does it take away 1227 01:00:30.280 --> 01:00:33.719 from it because it didn't happen in physical reality. I've 1228 01:00:33.960 --> 01:00:37.960 I've switched my mind to understand that their experience is regardless, 1229 01:00:37.960 --> 01:00:41.320 and they're gonna play into my vision of this reality 1230 01:00:41.480 --> 01:00:43.679 no matter what anyway, so you may as well just 1231 01:00:43.719 --> 01:00:45.880 accept them as part of this reality. And I've just 1232 01:00:45.880 --> 01:00:48.000 come to accept this is I think it is a 1233 01:00:48.079 --> 01:00:50.000 dream here, dude. It makes the most sense that it 1234 01:00:50.079 --> 01:00:52.000 is a dream. Like there are certain things about this 1235 01:00:52.079 --> 01:00:54.719 reality that don't make any sense if it's just a 1236 01:00:54.760 --> 01:00:57.719 physical reality, like you know, and I always talk about 1237 01:00:57.760 --> 01:01:00.800 like metaphysics and you know, the quantum and the double 1238 01:01:00.800 --> 01:01:04.119 slit experiment, like those things prove that this place is 1239 01:01:04.159 --> 01:01:05.840 not what we think it is, you know, And then 1240 01:01:05.880 --> 01:01:08.559 you talk about like you know, wild things like Skinwalker 1241 01:01:08.639 --> 01:01:12.480 Ranch and Bigfoot? Is he interdimensional? And like this is 1242 01:01:13.000 --> 01:01:16.320 this is like a dream reality And I'm I kind 1243 01:01:16.360 --> 01:01:18.239 of like it more now now that I've come to that, 1244 01:01:18.599 --> 01:01:20.679 you know, understanding anyway. 1245 01:01:20.920 --> 01:01:22.880 You are right, Bigfoot is interdimensional. 1246 01:01:23.719 --> 01:01:24.239 I believe it. 1247 01:01:24.320 --> 01:01:27.039 We've heard so many reports on that. Some people believe 1248 01:01:27.119 --> 01:01:30.880 that Bigfoot or Nephelum, some believe that they are angels, 1249 01:01:31.079 --> 01:01:35.800 some believe that they are interdimensional ets by another name. 1250 01:01:37.119 --> 01:01:39.280 It depends on the source. I mean, we've had a 1251 01:01:39.280 --> 01:01:41.280 guy come on the show that claims that he lives 1252 01:01:41.320 --> 01:01:44.679 with them. They of course aren't visible to the human 1253 01:01:44.760 --> 01:01:48.119 eye unless you have eyes to see, and he sees 1254 01:01:48.159 --> 01:01:53.639 them as benevolent, spiritual, almost angelic figures. And he's gone 1255 01:01:53.679 --> 01:01:56.079 on and talked about these things. We've had other people 1256 01:01:56.119 --> 01:01:58.760 say that they tried killing them, so clearly they're nephylimic 1257 01:01:58.800 --> 01:02:01.800 and demonic, and it's you know, hey, I don't know 1258 01:02:01.800 --> 01:02:03.679 how to call reality on either of those. 1259 01:02:03.920 --> 01:02:06.159 Yeah, I mean, this is like probably the central thing 1260 01:02:06.239 --> 01:02:08.840 that we seek to explore and like dissect and to 1261 01:02:08.960 --> 01:02:10.960 kind of tie in what you just said about different 1262 01:02:11.000 --> 01:02:13.679 perceptions of Bigfoot of these other beings. And then also 1263 01:02:14.199 --> 01:02:17.800 you know, this being a dream, like from our perspective 1264 01:02:17.840 --> 01:02:19.639 and the work we've done, it's like, yeah, dude, this 1265 01:02:19.719 --> 01:02:22.559 is a god dream and the illusion is an illusion 1266 01:02:22.599 --> 01:02:25.400 of separation and individuation, and it seems to be the 1267 01:02:25.440 --> 01:02:27.719 source of disease and sickness when we sit in seremony. 1268 01:02:28.719 --> 01:02:31.760 It's the idea of self and that they're disconnected from God. 1269 01:02:32.039 --> 01:02:35.360 But it seems like that God creator Wankatanka Great Mystery 1270 01:02:35.400 --> 01:02:39.440 call whatever you want, seem to love its creation so 1271 01:02:39.559 --> 01:02:42.599 much that it said, you have your free will, you know, 1272 01:02:42.679 --> 01:02:44.400 just like a parent with their child. Go off and 1273 01:02:44.480 --> 01:02:47.039 learn the lesson yourself, and I'm here when you need me. 1274 01:02:47.519 --> 01:02:50.519 And essentially, though we've gotten trapped in this dream and 1275 01:02:50.599 --> 01:02:54.159 this culture that rewards sort of this narcissistic consciousness. And 1276 01:02:54.199 --> 01:02:58.039 then that through spirituality, religion, whatever tools are you, psychedelics, 1277 01:02:58.239 --> 01:03:01.280 you can recreate the whole that is divinity and is God. 1278 01:03:01.559 --> 01:03:05.119 But the fascinating thing is is that all of creation 1279 01:03:05.480 --> 01:03:08.039 is divine. You see it with the medicine. Everything's energy, 1280 01:03:08.079 --> 01:03:09.920 ian's connected to the diet, dark and the light are one. 1281 01:03:10.039 --> 01:03:13.039 All these things, they're all the hand of God grooming 1282 01:03:13.119 --> 01:03:16.519 us and ushering us in this sort of illusory simulation, 1283 01:03:16.639 --> 01:03:19.559 this playground towards the higher truth, so we can learn 1284 01:03:19.559 --> 01:03:23.719 it on our own. But the fascinating thing is it's 1285 01:03:23.920 --> 01:03:27.159 filtered through the prism of the individual. Psyche, God is 1286 01:03:27.360 --> 01:03:29.639 spirit is whatever you want to call it. So we 1287 01:03:29.719 --> 01:03:33.519 have this fascinating phenomenon where we sit there as sort 1288 01:03:33.559 --> 01:03:36.360 of like really they're like you know, we're like, they're 1289 01:03:36.519 --> 01:03:39.480 like spiritual duelas you know, we're helping these people have 1290 01:03:39.519 --> 01:03:43.119 a death experience to commune with God and then come back. 1291 01:03:43.199 --> 01:03:46.079 And we know the tools that our teachers have taught us. 1292 01:03:46.400 --> 01:03:50.320 But the fascinating thing is that spirit comes in whatever 1293 01:03:50.519 --> 01:03:54.159 form of the individual's orthodoxy. If they're Buddhist, they will 1294 01:03:54.159 --> 01:03:57.599 get Buddha and bodhisophic language and symbolism. Right, it's a 1295 01:03:57.719 --> 01:04:01.760 non corporeal world, non physical, it's symbols. So they'll use 1296 01:04:01.880 --> 01:04:05.119 symbols and figures to communicate an energy that their brain 1297 01:04:05.159 --> 01:04:08.079 can understand on like a lower level. Right, So if 1298 01:04:08.119 --> 01:04:11.280 you're Buddhists, don't have Buddhism Christian, they're gonna get Jesus. 1299 01:04:11.360 --> 01:04:13.840 Jesus will come to them. It's crazy, you know. The 1300 01:04:14.119 --> 01:04:17.199 And then if they're if we have okay, we did 1301 01:04:17.199 --> 01:04:20.880 a ceremony where they were non religious, they were a 1302 01:04:20.920 --> 01:04:24.440 nerd and they they gave them Rick and Morty to 1303 01:04:24.599 --> 01:04:28.239 explain Purtle. They're going, let us explain what's happening. This 1304 01:04:28.280 --> 01:04:30.239 is the portal, like Rick and Morty, You're coming through 1305 01:04:30.239 --> 01:04:30.960 a portal. 1306 01:04:30.679 --> 01:04:34.039 Right, First aahuasca ceremony. It was very cartoon because I 1307 01:04:34.119 --> 01:04:37.280 watched a lot of cartoons, so everything was very cartoonish 1308 01:04:37.320 --> 01:04:39.280 and I was like, wow, this is great again. 1309 01:04:39.480 --> 01:04:42.039 Again is a protocol. We spend a lot of time 1310 01:04:42.119 --> 01:04:45.599 deconstructing the protocol so we can understand how healing happens 1311 01:04:45.599 --> 01:04:49.400 and how disease happens. And the deconstruction of the protocol. 1312 01:04:49.440 --> 01:04:52.480 They start cartoon a lot because they they don't want 1313 01:04:52.480 --> 01:04:55.960 to freak you out, so everything's very light. That's their interpretation, 1314 01:04:56.440 --> 01:04:59.559 Like that's they think it whatever, this higher intelligence. That's 1315 01:04:59.599 --> 01:05:02.119 they're gonna treat us like kids, like look, everything's fun 1316 01:05:02.159 --> 01:05:05.199 and zany, right until they deconstruct your reality and put 1317 01:05:05.239 --> 01:05:08.239 you in a fast food chain bathroom is you know right? 1318 01:05:08.880 --> 01:05:12.719 But the point is is that is that it's filtered 1319 01:05:12.760 --> 01:05:16.360 through the prism of the individual. My first ayahuasca ceremony 1320 01:05:16.360 --> 01:05:19.239 and the Amazon the day after you do an integration 1321 01:05:19.320 --> 01:05:22.199 circle is thirty people. About twenty of them are therapists 1322 01:05:22.280 --> 01:05:25.119 researching the medicine, and I'd say about half the people 1323 01:05:25.159 --> 01:05:28.760 there had drawn visions they got of about like fifteen 1324 01:05:28.760 --> 01:05:32.440 foot entities guarding the dog doors of the Molca. Like 1325 01:05:32.920 --> 01:05:37.199 most of the circle saw these meetings, and everyone saw 1326 01:05:37.199 --> 01:05:40.880 them as dark entities except one Canadian therapist. She saw 1327 01:05:40.920 --> 01:05:44.519 them as angelic. And so we said, you know, in 1328 01:05:44.519 --> 01:05:47.159 this circle, to Don Howard, the late Great Don Howard 1329 01:05:47.199 --> 01:05:51.639 rest in peace, we said, hey, everyone had drawn It 1330 01:05:51.719 --> 01:05:53.519 was like, oh my god, oh we saw the same thing, right, 1331 01:05:53.920 --> 01:05:57.039 And he goes, okay, who and she says, wow, well, 1332 01:05:57.079 --> 01:06:00.239 mine's different. I saw it as an angel And Don 1333 01:06:00.280 --> 01:06:04.519 Howard said, you process things depending on the part of 1334 01:06:04.559 --> 01:06:07.280 your psyche the medicine is working on. So you saw 1335 01:06:07.320 --> 01:06:09.480 the same entity, but you all were seeing it demonic 1336 01:06:09.480 --> 01:06:11.559 because you were getting the shadow part of your psyche 1337 01:06:11.599 --> 01:06:13.960 worked on. You saw as angelic because you were getting 1338 01:06:13.960 --> 01:06:15.360 the other side of your psyche worked on. 1339 01:06:15.760 --> 01:06:20.320 There's also this thing with all like working with psychedelics 1340 01:06:20.440 --> 01:06:23.639 or entering this sort of space where you know you're 1341 01:06:23.800 --> 01:06:26.840 merging back with God. So it's this whole thing of 1342 01:06:26.880 --> 01:06:29.920 being like, no, you are God. And so like a 1343 01:06:29.960 --> 01:06:33.280 thought experiment that I like to run is just if 1344 01:06:33.320 --> 01:06:35.280 there's a single source, even if you're thinking of the 1345 01:06:35.320 --> 01:06:38.760 big bang, Right, there's a single source consciousness that's everything 1346 01:06:39.159 --> 01:06:43.400 comes from. So if it is God, which we believe 1347 01:06:43.480 --> 01:06:47.119 like a source consciousness, then after a while it's like, well, 1348 01:06:47.159 --> 01:06:50.039 I want to experience more, so it like fractions itself 1349 01:06:50.119 --> 01:06:53.320 off in order to experience other things. And those little 1350 01:06:53.360 --> 01:06:55.800 fractions forget they are God, because if they remember their God, 1351 01:06:55.840 --> 01:06:58.639 they're not going to be able to experience have their 1352 01:06:58.679 --> 01:07:01.360 own experience because they're like, oh, just God pretending, right. 1353 01:07:01.719 --> 01:07:05.320 So then after those those fractions remember, then they fracture 1354 01:07:05.400 --> 01:07:08.079 off even more, and they keep fractaling and fractaling off 1355 01:07:08.119 --> 01:07:11.039 more and more and more. And I think that where 1356 01:07:11.039 --> 01:07:13.199 we're at. So we're in like the third dimension, right, 1357 01:07:13.239 --> 01:07:16.639 so we're really far away from source consciousness because they 1358 01:07:16.679 --> 01:07:19.719 say that there's like eleven or twelve steps or dimensions 1359 01:07:19.719 --> 01:07:23.280 like back to God. So for us in this really 1360 01:07:23.320 --> 01:07:27.400 really dense pocket of reality right where like duality and 1361 01:07:27.440 --> 01:07:29.400 all this stuff, there's just dark and light and all 1362 01:07:29.400 --> 01:07:31.559 this stuff, and we're so far removed. And then we 1363 01:07:31.599 --> 01:07:36.159 also have social programming for us, these psychedelics are a 1364 01:07:36.280 --> 01:07:39.119 way for us to go this like spark, to be like, 1365 01:07:39.199 --> 01:07:42.960 oh my God, I forgot I forgot that I am sourced, 1366 01:07:43.000 --> 01:07:45.840 just having a different experience, and they are not meant 1367 01:07:45.840 --> 01:07:48.559 to use all the time. They're meant to spark something 1368 01:07:48.559 --> 01:07:50.679 inside of you that then you can then use in 1369 01:07:50.719 --> 01:07:54.840 your three dimensional physical space to start working through and 1370 01:07:54.920 --> 01:07:58.559 finding pieces in your own reality that are not real, 1371 01:07:58.599 --> 01:08:01.079 that are not parts of you that are programmed. And 1372 01:08:01.119 --> 01:08:04.639 then because you know, you know, you've had the experience 1373 01:08:04.679 --> 01:08:07.400 of knowing that you are God having an experience as 1374 01:08:07.440 --> 01:08:11.079 a human, So these these psychedelics everything are just they're 1375 01:08:11.119 --> 01:08:13.679 just a way for us to remember in order to 1376 01:08:14.000 --> 01:08:16.760 use the tools while we're here to be able to 1377 01:08:17.079 --> 01:08:17.920 enlighten ourselves. 1378 01:08:18.680 --> 01:08:21.920 Yeah, I absolutely agree. And I know that there's going 1379 01:08:21.960 --> 01:08:24.119 to be some people out here that are saying, oh, 1380 01:08:24.199 --> 01:08:27.600 these people are calling themselves God. Here we go, right. 1381 01:08:28.079 --> 01:08:31.399 But but and that's something and maybe some people do that. 1382 01:08:31.479 --> 01:08:33.800 Maybe some people are like, I'm a god, you're a god, 1383 01:08:33.840 --> 01:08:37.000 we're all individual gods. Whatever. But I think that you're 1384 01:08:37.039 --> 01:08:39.279 you know, I've heard it explained a certain way, and 1385 01:08:39.319 --> 01:08:41.319 I think that if you can have an open mind 1386 01:08:41.359 --> 01:08:44.680 and try and interpret, you know, what the message is 1387 01:08:44.680 --> 01:08:47.279 trying to be conveyed here is that it's not that 1388 01:08:47.439 --> 01:08:50.399 I'm an individual God and you're an individual God or anything. 1389 01:08:50.520 --> 01:08:53.039 It's that this. You can just look at it as 1390 01:08:53.039 --> 01:08:56.760 if this whole place Earth, or you know, the the 1391 01:08:56.880 --> 01:09:00.359 universe that we live in is God. You know, like 1392 01:09:00.439 --> 01:09:03.520 if you look at it like that and understand that, like, 1393 01:09:03.840 --> 01:09:06.800 oh yeah, I'm not over here worshiping myself. I'm not 1394 01:09:06.880 --> 01:09:10.199 over here thinking I'm high and mighty. I'm thinking, oh wow, 1395 01:09:10.279 --> 01:09:13.439 I'm actually not separate from God, which is what some people, 1396 01:09:13.760 --> 01:09:16.000 you know, and I never really understood that, to be 1397 01:09:16.000 --> 01:09:19.119 honest with you about how some people will you know, well, 1398 01:09:19.199 --> 01:09:22.279 I guess I get it. You know, it's social programming, 1399 01:09:22.359 --> 01:09:25.640 and there's certain beliefs and systems like that. And I'm 1400 01:09:25.640 --> 01:09:27.840 not saying that anybody's right or anybody's wrong. I'm just 1401 01:09:27.880 --> 01:09:31.720 trying to explain this side of it to where you 1402 01:09:31.760 --> 01:09:36.199 know that imagine a world where you're with God all 1403 01:09:36.239 --> 01:09:40.640 the time. You know, everybody, everything, every experience you ever have, 1404 01:09:41.079 --> 01:09:43.680 it is all God, all happening all at once. And 1405 01:09:43.720 --> 01:09:46.399 I like to actually compare it to the dream world, 1406 01:09:46.439 --> 01:09:49.640 for example, So like whenever you go and you go 1407 01:09:49.680 --> 01:09:52.720 to sleep at night, then you have a dream. Did 1408 01:09:52.760 --> 01:09:55.960 God create all of those little individuals in that dream, Like, 1409 01:09:56.079 --> 01:09:58.640 is that the way that your mind works? Or you thinking, oh, 1410 01:09:58.680 --> 01:10:01.279 well that's my mind. I created that. These are all 1411 01:10:01.359 --> 01:10:03.680 just factors of my mind. Well, now bring it back 1412 01:10:03.680 --> 01:10:06.439 to the real world. Who's mind are we in? Like 1413 01:10:06.680 --> 01:10:09.000 this has to be somebody's mind, This has to be 1414 01:10:09.039 --> 01:10:12.520 somebody's dream, has to be somebody's consciousness. And you know, 1415 01:10:12.560 --> 01:10:14.520 you get to experience that a little bit whenever you're 1416 01:10:14.560 --> 01:10:17.920 deep inside of like a meditation. So, like, as I 1417 01:10:17.960 --> 01:10:21.079 said before, I have another podcast called Metamisteries. Last night 1418 01:10:21.119 --> 01:10:24.880 we were researching the Acacak records and there's actually this 1419 01:10:24.920 --> 01:10:28.199 really cool book called How to Read the Akashak Records 1420 01:10:28.199 --> 01:10:30.640 by Linda Howe. It was actually something that was recommended 1421 01:10:31.560 --> 01:10:35.319 by I think her name is Megan from Solar Glow Meditations. 1422 01:10:35.319 --> 01:10:37.000 You ever see her on TikTok. She always has the 1423 01:10:37.039 --> 01:10:41.640 dowsing rods. It's fascinating. But she recommended this book and 1424 01:10:41.840 --> 01:10:44.039 so we started reading it and researching it a little 1425 01:10:44.079 --> 01:10:46.199 bit and trying to dive into it. And then afterward 1426 01:10:46.239 --> 01:10:48.079 we always do a meditation at the end of the show, 1427 01:10:48.279 --> 01:10:50.560 and so we did this one. It was a guided 1428 01:10:50.680 --> 01:10:53.600 meditation to be able to access the Acascak records, and 1429 01:10:53.640 --> 01:10:56.359 we were like, didn't really know what to expect, you know, like, 1430 01:10:56.800 --> 01:10:59.439 am I going to expect experience a library and a 1431 01:10:59.479 --> 01:11:01.880 library in or some kind of guards at the building? 1432 01:11:01.920 --> 01:11:03.880 Is it even going to be a building or whatever? Right, 1433 01:11:03.960 --> 01:11:05.680 you don't really know what to expect going into it. 1434 01:11:06.199 --> 01:11:10.640 And it was wild, dude, Like I had the trippiest 1435 01:11:10.720 --> 01:11:14.000 experience ever, Like I felt like I was on DMT 1436 01:11:14.520 --> 01:11:19.159 in this meditation, and I was able to see that, like, oh, 1437 01:11:19.239 --> 01:11:21.960 what's actually going on right now? And this is just 1438 01:11:22.000 --> 01:11:24.720 my interpretation of whatever was happening. But what I what 1439 01:11:24.800 --> 01:11:28.199 I interpreted is is that this reality is somewhat of 1440 01:11:28.199 --> 01:11:33.560 a dream or maybe in another reality where base level 1441 01:11:33.640 --> 01:11:37.640 reality is. I am imagined that I was actually in 1442 01:11:37.720 --> 01:11:40.840 a deep meditation in another reality and I was dreaming 1443 01:11:40.880 --> 01:11:43.279 of this reality. So I was able to peek in 1444 01:11:43.399 --> 01:11:46.199 on that other reality, and I had like my wife 1445 01:11:46.279 --> 01:11:48.159 and I was I was in like this whole other 1446 01:11:48.279 --> 01:11:50.920 house and she's just sitting there with me. And the 1447 01:11:51.000 --> 01:11:54.800 thing about that reality, to my understanding, was that time 1448 01:11:55.159 --> 01:11:57.359 wasn't a constraint. You didn't have to worry about time, 1449 01:11:57.439 --> 01:11:59.880 so you could go into a meditation. It could last 1450 01:12:00.079 --> 01:12:02.239 five years. Hey, it doesn't matter. Time doesn't matter here. 1451 01:12:02.279 --> 01:12:04.079 Time is not really something that's hold in his back. 1452 01:12:04.119 --> 01:12:06.800 So if you need to meditate for that long, meditate 1453 01:12:06.840 --> 01:12:09.199 that long. And I just imagine, like my wife was 1454 01:12:09.239 --> 01:12:11.119 over there, and she was sitting right there next to 1455 01:12:11.119 --> 01:12:13.720 me because she knew that it was a therapeutic experience 1456 01:12:13.720 --> 01:12:16.840 that I needed to experience. And the idea of going 1457 01:12:16.880 --> 01:12:20.199 into that meditation was to go into this life work 1458 01:12:20.239 --> 01:12:22.079 off karma so that I can go back to that 1459 01:12:22.159 --> 01:12:25.079 life and rick live my like regular reality. And what 1460 01:12:25.119 --> 01:12:28.319 was really strange is is that this is gonna sound 1461 01:12:28.399 --> 01:12:32.279 kind of weird, but in that life, I think that 1462 01:12:32.359 --> 01:12:35.760 I'm like a cat person, which it kind of relays 1463 01:12:35.760 --> 01:12:37.680 back to one of my mushroom trips that I had 1464 01:12:37.960 --> 01:12:40.439 like a couple of years ago, but instead of just 1465 01:12:40.479 --> 01:12:42.880 like a regular like calico or an all black hat 1466 01:12:43.000 --> 01:12:45.479 or something like that, I was like, it kind of 1467 01:12:45.520 --> 01:12:49.680 looked like the cat from Alice in Wonderland, like the 1468 01:12:50.000 --> 01:12:52.520 blue and the purple, but it was like super electric 1469 01:12:52.920 --> 01:12:55.840 and it was like out of this world, vibrance to 1470 01:12:56.279 --> 01:12:59.359 the color of this world and just wild experiences that 1471 01:12:59.399 --> 01:13:01.960 are going on. And I'm like, oh, I feel a 1472 01:13:01.960 --> 01:13:03.800 little bit better about death now. If I get to 1473 01:13:03.800 --> 01:13:05.199 go back to that, that sounds awesome. 1474 01:13:05.319 --> 01:13:08.199 You know, it's amazing, And I want to dude, that's 1475 01:13:08.239 --> 01:13:10.720 so cool, and I want to I want to add 1476 01:13:10.720 --> 01:13:12.000 some things. I think it was so good that you 1477 01:13:12.079 --> 01:13:15.199 called out sort of like the calling yourself god of 1478 01:13:15.239 --> 01:13:17.960 it all, you know, and like because I think, like 1479 01:13:18.520 --> 01:13:20.720 what we're talking, we're all talking about here, and what 1480 01:13:20.800 --> 01:13:22.880 Tanya was saying is like, you know, it's it's like 1481 01:13:23.479 --> 01:13:26.439 if you're a fetus in your mother's belly. It's like 1482 01:13:26.560 --> 01:13:30.680 how that baby is your mother. They're sharing blood, they're connected, 1483 01:13:30.920 --> 01:13:33.039 they're one and the same and the same genetic line. 1484 01:13:33.039 --> 01:13:35.119 You know. That's what we mean. And there's something very 1485 01:13:35.159 --> 01:13:39.800 fascinating going on with like sort of like non denominational 1486 01:13:39.880 --> 01:13:44.640 secular spirituality is there's a certain individualism in narcissism that 1487 01:13:44.720 --> 01:13:48.119 can taint this when really it's about community. This is 1488 01:13:48.119 --> 01:13:50.720 supposed to be about us coming together as one and 1489 01:13:50.760 --> 01:13:53.439 realizing we're not separate and we're not separate from our creator, 1490 01:13:53.479 --> 01:13:56.199 we're not separate from each other. We're you know, but 1491 01:13:56.840 --> 01:13:59.640 this but but like we see this happening some people, 1492 01:13:59.720 --> 01:14:02.159 it's like I'm God because they have an experience of 1493 01:14:02.199 --> 01:14:03.800 merging with the one. But it's like, okay, but we 1494 01:14:03.840 --> 01:14:07.000 still have to you know, yeah, we have to pay bills. 1495 01:14:07.039 --> 01:14:09.760 Yeah, but I also the thing is that I guess 1496 01:14:09.800 --> 01:14:11.319 I like to think of it this way. It's almost 1497 01:14:11.319 --> 01:14:13.880 like a simulation, right, So you know the SIMS game, 1498 01:14:14.279 --> 01:14:17.720 it's like, say, whoever, Like there is the person that 1499 01:14:17.800 --> 01:14:20.760 creates the SIMS who has an alternate reality inside of 1500 01:14:20.800 --> 01:14:24.800 their Yeah, but it still has the person outside of 1501 01:14:24.840 --> 01:14:28.279 the game that is actually but that's a projection of them, 1502 01:14:28.319 --> 01:14:30.600 and they're still playing the game. So it's the same 1503 01:14:30.680 --> 01:14:33.439 thing with the idea of God. It's just a fractioned 1504 01:14:33.439 --> 01:14:36.359 off piece of them, and we all are a fractioned 1505 01:14:36.399 --> 01:14:38.960 off piece of God. Like That's that's how I like 1506 01:14:39.000 --> 01:14:40.840 to think of it. It's almost like a simulation. So 1507 01:14:40.920 --> 01:14:42.640 it's like finding your way back. It's like, oh, yeah, 1508 01:14:42.680 --> 01:14:45.600 there is the person that's still kind of creating this 1509 01:14:45.760 --> 01:14:48.760 experience and you know there. 1510 01:14:48.399 --> 01:14:50.920 All the time, right, And I think that like kind 1511 01:14:50.920 --> 01:14:53.920 of like at the base core level, we are just 1512 01:14:54.039 --> 01:14:57.960 the awareness to these lives. You know, maybe we maybe 1513 01:14:58.000 --> 01:15:01.000 where we feel like in the moment actually making these 1514 01:15:01.039 --> 01:15:03.600 decisions and feeling these feelings and everything like that. But 1515 01:15:03.640 --> 01:15:06.039 I had a really strange experience while reading that book 1516 01:15:06.119 --> 01:15:08.960 last night. I was just reading, like, I'm I'm anytime 1517 01:15:08.960 --> 01:15:10.920 I get to reading, if once I get into groove, 1518 01:15:11.039 --> 01:15:12.920 oh my god, I'm just like I used to be 1519 01:15:12.960 --> 01:15:15.359 a horrible reader. I would stutter all the time, but 1520 01:15:15.479 --> 01:15:17.560 now I've gotten you know, we read so much on 1521 01:15:17.600 --> 01:15:19.760 the shows that I'm like, I'm pretty good at reading 1522 01:15:19.800 --> 01:15:23.680 out loud. It's awesome. But the Acotion Record book that 1523 01:15:23.680 --> 01:15:25.800 I was talking about, ye, and so I was reading 1524 01:15:25.840 --> 01:15:28.159 a little bit of that, and after a while I 1525 01:15:28.279 --> 01:15:32.359 just started to realize that, oh, this body and this 1526 01:15:32.680 --> 01:15:35.319 mind is actually the one that's reading it. And I'm 1527 01:15:35.439 --> 01:15:39.000 just over here having these separate thoughts while I'm reading 1528 01:15:39.039 --> 01:15:41.359 it and understanding it all at the same time. And 1529 01:15:41.399 --> 01:15:44.760 I realized, oh shit, I'm just the awareness that is 1530 01:15:44.880 --> 01:15:48.199 experiencing this life of this body and all these circumstances 1531 01:15:48.279 --> 01:15:51.840 and all these experiences that this person Jonathan is actually 1532 01:15:52.159 --> 01:15:54.359 I thought all all this time that it was me, 1533 01:15:54.520 --> 01:15:56.800 but it's like, oh no, it's just an experience that 1534 01:15:56.840 --> 01:15:58.720 you needed to have, like kind of thing. And it's 1535 01:15:58.720 --> 01:16:01.520 like it was really like really trippy. I love that 1536 01:16:01.600 --> 01:16:03.399 kind of shit though, like I don't know, maybe I'm 1537 01:16:03.399 --> 01:16:06.399 fucking my mind up or whatever, but that's that's kind 1538 01:16:06.399 --> 01:16:08.439 of like, that's kind of like what I experienced. 1539 01:16:09.039 --> 01:16:11.279 But like you said, there is a especially with this. 1540 01:16:11.319 --> 01:16:13.880 I don't want to say new age because that's that's 1541 01:16:13.880 --> 01:16:16.600 not the right definition for this, Like you said earlier, Cody, 1542 01:16:16.640 --> 01:16:21.720 the uh with this non denominational spiritual I guess you 1543 01:16:21.760 --> 01:16:25.359 could say esoteric side of things. You have so many 1544 01:16:25.359 --> 01:16:27.880 people that basically like, yep, I'm a god or I 1545 01:16:27.920 --> 01:16:29.880 am the God and I'm just experiencing this life. And 1546 01:16:29.880 --> 01:16:31.560 it's like, Okay, I get what you're trying to say, 1547 01:16:31.720 --> 01:16:35.159 but people get super narcissistic about it. And it's and 1548 01:16:35.199 --> 01:16:37.319 that's also part of the human condition, right. We want 1549 01:16:37.319 --> 01:16:39.520 to believe ourselves to be so much better than we 1550 01:16:40.239 --> 01:16:43.560 typically are, and you have people that will find that 1551 01:16:43.680 --> 01:16:46.880 as a justification for their narcissistic behavior that they already 1552 01:16:46.880 --> 01:16:48.960 had before they ever delved into it in the first place. 1553 01:16:49.199 --> 01:16:52.000 Right, Right, we had to we've like had to really 1554 01:16:52.119 --> 01:16:54.920 like look in at this because we were seeing this 1555 01:16:55.079 --> 01:16:57.960 in this community. So we had to start saying, like, okay, 1556 01:16:57.960 --> 01:17:00.359 what is this, like why this and what we came 1557 01:17:00.399 --> 01:17:02.840 to is we were like, oh, no, this narcissism is 1558 01:17:02.880 --> 01:17:07.079 in every community. It's people are the common denominator. This 1559 01:17:07.159 --> 01:17:09.880 is a flaw of humanity. If it's expressing itself as 1560 01:17:09.920 --> 01:17:12.720 a professional athlete or a rapper, or a politician or 1561 01:17:12.760 --> 01:17:15.560 a businessman, or or you're a spiritualist. 1562 01:17:15.720 --> 01:17:19.479 It's that's the human condition. Everybody seeks validation, right, Oh 1563 01:17:19.520 --> 01:17:21.600 you're a man, Well, how much of a man are you? 1564 01:17:21.760 --> 01:17:24.319 Oh you're a Christian? How much of a Christian are you? 1565 01:17:24.439 --> 01:17:27.359 Oh you're a spiritualist. Name your thing. You're always going 1566 01:17:27.399 --> 01:17:29.439 to have somebody who's trying to like check you, and 1567 01:17:29.479 --> 01:17:31.560 then you have to like either A you're going to 1568 01:17:31.600 --> 01:17:34.399 be secure in what you know about yourself or B 1569 01:17:34.560 --> 01:17:36.199 you're gonna not and you're going to go off the 1570 01:17:36.279 --> 01:17:39.479 rails to try to prove your dot dot dot enough. 1571 01:17:39.520 --> 01:17:41.880 And it's like, bro, that you just defeated yourself. You 1572 01:17:41.920 --> 01:17:42.680 played yourself. 1573 01:17:42.840 --> 01:17:45.960 Yeah, exactly. And that's like, and Jonathan was saying this earlier, 1574 01:17:46.079 --> 01:17:49.800 like that's what acid for Square stands were it's dissolving 1575 01:17:49.920 --> 01:17:52.760 the box, dissolving cultural orthodoxies and what it means it 1576 01:17:52.800 --> 01:17:56.399 means to and that and that comes from what the 1577 01:17:56.439 --> 01:18:01.680 medicines do. The medicines are deconstructing your physical reality, deconstructing 1578 01:18:01.720 --> 01:18:04.359 the boxes we have so we can have a more 1579 01:18:04.399 --> 01:18:07.920 expanded awareness. And it seems that the boxes, they're either 1580 01:18:07.960 --> 01:18:10.880 culturally given to us or we create them, and either 1581 01:18:10.960 --> 01:18:13.640 they we identify with them, or they create some sort 1582 01:18:13.680 --> 01:18:17.800 of safety or structure or control. But really the truth 1583 01:18:17.880 --> 01:18:20.439 is we're not in control, and there is some sort 1584 01:18:20.479 --> 01:18:23.319 of higher operating system, this higher os we call it, 1585 01:18:23.359 --> 01:18:25.479 you know, spirit, God, what if you want to call it, 1586 01:18:25.520 --> 01:18:29.399 this intelligence, and that really is and surrendering to that 1587 01:18:29.560 --> 01:18:32.600 and trusting it, having faith, that is the pathway to 1588 01:18:32.640 --> 01:18:35.920 an easier life. And it is an antidote to suffering. 1589 01:18:36.039 --> 01:18:38.560 And that's really what we're after here. You know, it 1590 01:18:38.640 --> 01:18:41.000 is a it is a whatever the game is, it's 1591 01:18:41.000 --> 01:18:42.239 a game of faith for sure. 1592 01:18:42.520 --> 01:18:45.640 And also we had this artist is it. We haven't 1593 01:18:45.640 --> 01:18:50.399 got the episode out yet, but Maser, I'm sure you've 1594 01:18:50.439 --> 01:18:54.319 seen his artwork. He's super tripy conscious, just really cool art. 1595 01:18:54.479 --> 01:18:59.039 Rainbow skull Rainbow skulls. Yeah. But so we were talking 1596 01:18:59.079 --> 01:19:02.119 about the idea of so like the Kabalion, which is 1597 01:19:02.119 --> 01:19:05.960 the seven Hermetic principles, and it's talking about how like 1598 01:19:06.199 --> 01:19:09.119 light and dark, hot and cold, like good and bad, 1599 01:19:09.199 --> 01:19:12.560 like they're the same thing, just different ends of the spectrum, 1600 01:19:12.840 --> 01:19:15.800 but you don't really know when one gets and one ends. 1601 01:19:16.239 --> 01:19:20.960 And so it was this idea that the most spiritual 1602 01:19:21.039 --> 01:19:24.520 person and the most atheist person actually of the same 1603 01:19:24.560 --> 01:19:29.319 exact beliefs because on one end they're the most spiritual 1604 01:19:29.359 --> 01:19:31.760 person is like, there's no free will. 1605 01:19:32.319 --> 01:19:33.920 Uh no, he's. 1606 01:19:37.279 --> 01:19:40.159 Yeah, yeah, that's it, that's it. But so on one 1607 01:19:40.239 --> 01:19:43.039 end you have somebody that has no free will, right, 1608 01:19:43.079 --> 01:19:46.399 They're like, everything is planned out, it's God like, this 1609 01:19:46.600 --> 01:19:50.359 is completely planned out. I'm just living the experience. Then 1610 01:19:50.680 --> 01:19:55.319 on the far this atheist side, you have somebody who says, oh, 1611 01:19:55.359 --> 01:19:58.600 it's all like your brain firing in certain ways and 1612 01:19:58.640 --> 01:20:01.039 your body just doing stuff, so there's no free will. 1613 01:20:01.119 --> 01:20:05.039 You're literally just like experiencing your body having these firings 1614 01:20:05.039 --> 01:20:07.399 in your brain and your body. So both of them 1615 01:20:07.439 --> 01:20:09.720 are saying the exact same thing, but they're on polar 1616 01:20:09.720 --> 01:20:12.560 opposite ends of the spectrum, right, So there's this really 1617 01:20:12.680 --> 01:20:16.960 strange thing with our again duality polarity, like in our 1618 01:20:17.079 --> 01:20:20.359 world where there are two things, but they're also talking 1619 01:20:20.399 --> 01:20:22.239 about the same thing right, right. 1620 01:20:22.520 --> 01:20:25.039 I think in politics they call this horseshoe theory that 1621 01:20:25.079 --> 01:20:27.479 if you go into extremism on the left of the right, 1622 01:20:27.520 --> 01:20:30.359 it actually bows back together that they're saying the same 1623 01:20:30.399 --> 01:20:35.359 thing right. And without getting into politics, I think you know, 1624 01:20:35.439 --> 01:20:38.680 this has to do with there's a duality. You were 1625 01:20:38.680 --> 01:20:40.720 talking about the Hermetic principles, which talks about the law 1626 01:20:40.760 --> 01:20:44.479 of gender. There's a duality of the human design. Two eyes, 1627 01:20:44.520 --> 01:20:47.239 two ears, two hemispheres to the brain, right. And one 1628 01:20:47.279 --> 01:20:50.079 of the fascinating things is that the only singular glands 1629 01:20:50.079 --> 01:20:52.800 in your brain are the pineal gland and the hypothalmis. 1630 01:20:53.119 --> 01:20:56.920 So when you smoke dmtor, which you produce naturally, when 1631 01:20:56.920 --> 01:20:59.279 you work with that, you know your third eye, right, 1632 01:21:00.600 --> 01:21:03.560 you know, like your logo, right, But when you work 1633 01:21:03.560 --> 01:21:06.439 with it, you're you're activating that singular gland, and the 1634 01:21:06.560 --> 01:21:11.000 experience is very much this unification of these hemispheres to 1635 01:21:11.039 --> 01:21:14.039 have this singular experience of consciousness. If that makes sense. 1636 01:21:14.159 --> 01:21:16.800 Oh yeah, yeah, dude. And that's something that is so 1637 01:21:17.119 --> 01:21:20.560 fascinating to me. That we have certain receptors in our 1638 01:21:20.600 --> 01:21:23.399 brain like already there, you know, like, how is it 1639 01:21:23.439 --> 01:21:27.079 that I that we have cannabinoid receptors within our brain. 1640 01:21:27.359 --> 01:21:31.039 How is it that we have literally like DMT receptors 1641 01:21:31.119 --> 01:21:34.239 or the pinial gland like within our brain, and that's 1642 01:21:34.239 --> 01:21:36.279 what allows us to dream at night, is because a 1643 01:21:36.319 --> 01:21:40.600 little bit of that pinial fluid or whatever it is 1644 01:21:40.600 --> 01:21:43.680 is seeping out, and that's what's allowing us to sense 1645 01:21:43.720 --> 01:21:45.960 the and see these kind of things. And I, you know, 1646 01:21:46.079 --> 01:21:49.640 and I can appreciate the scientific side of it. Well, 1647 01:21:49.640 --> 01:21:52.039 the science is just like, well, you know, you're only 1648 01:21:52.079 --> 01:21:55.359 experiencing that because you're the DMT is being released from 1649 01:21:55.399 --> 01:21:57.960 your pinial gland, and it's just something that happens. And 1650 01:21:58.000 --> 01:22:00.399 the same thing goes like, you know, whenever somebody is 1651 01:22:00.399 --> 01:22:02.560 about to die, they say, well, that's whenever the DMT 1652 01:22:02.720 --> 01:22:05.159 is kind of expressing itself through the pineal gland. And 1653 01:22:05.199 --> 01:22:08.760 that's why people are seeing, you know, ancient ancestors or 1654 01:22:08.800 --> 01:22:11.119 religious figures or whatever on the other side that are 1655 01:22:11.159 --> 01:22:13.159 there to greet them for the other side. And it's 1656 01:22:13.159 --> 01:22:16.239 really just a it's just a psychoactive thing. And I'm 1657 01:22:16.279 --> 01:22:20.399 just like, Okay, I think that you're halfway there. I 1658 01:22:20.439 --> 01:22:22.479 think that you're you know, like you're you're getting down 1659 01:22:22.520 --> 01:22:26.039 to the science of like what mechanism is causing you 1660 01:22:26.079 --> 01:22:30.000 to experience that to but to just relegate it to well, 1661 01:22:30.159 --> 01:22:32.399 it's just a function of the body and it's not 1662 01:22:32.520 --> 01:22:35.479 actually what's happening, and that's not actually reality. I'm like, 1663 01:22:36.119 --> 01:22:39.239 how can it not be reality? Like, it is a 1664 01:22:39.439 --> 01:22:42.840 human experience that everybody experiences, whether it is through dreams 1665 01:22:42.920 --> 01:22:46.359 or meditation or psychedelics or you know, near death or whatever. Like, 1666 01:22:46.640 --> 01:22:50.399 people are experiencing this just as you would experience going 1667 01:22:50.399 --> 01:22:52.239 to the bathroom when you wake up, just as you 1668 01:22:52.319 --> 01:22:54.399 experience brushing your teeth when you wake up. That's an 1669 01:22:54.399 --> 01:22:58.840 experience that actually happened. To your perception, these things are happening. 1670 01:22:59.039 --> 01:23:02.239 And so whenever people have like you know, religious experience 1671 01:23:02.279 --> 01:23:06.119 or spiritual experiences, and it's like you can't change their mind. 1672 01:23:06.439 --> 01:23:09.279 They saw what they saw, they experienced what they experience. 1673 01:23:09.560 --> 01:23:13.600 You know, Jacob had a demon experience and an angel experience. 1674 01:23:13.840 --> 01:23:18.439 I had an experience with a fucking Egyptian catwoman and 1675 01:23:18.880 --> 01:23:23.079 also like an elohem experience. Like, these experiences are real 1676 01:23:23.279 --> 01:23:26.399 to us, and I don't think that we necessarily need 1677 01:23:26.439 --> 01:23:28.439 to prove it to anybody else. We can relay the 1678 01:23:28.520 --> 01:23:30.640 stories and see what other people think. About it. But 1679 01:23:30.920 --> 01:23:34.640 to the individual, these things are absolutely true and they 1680 01:23:34.720 --> 01:23:39.960 absolutely are real. And you know, like I've had certain 1681 01:23:40.000 --> 01:23:42.640 people tell me that I had this elohem experience with 1682 01:23:42.920 --> 01:23:45.079 I took like a super dosage of mushrooms and I 1683 01:23:45.119 --> 01:23:48.640 was able to basically hear the elohem and this trumpet 1684 01:23:48.680 --> 01:23:51.880 voice and YadA YadA. I've told this story a million times, 1685 01:23:52.600 --> 01:23:55.000 but I've had that experience. And then I've had like 1686 01:23:55.079 --> 01:23:57.960 people come and tell me they're like, oh, that's demons, 1687 01:23:58.079 --> 01:24:00.640 Like that's clearly demons, because the angels and God wouldn't 1688 01:24:00.680 --> 01:24:03.359 do that, Like they're there. You know, you opened up 1689 01:24:03.399 --> 01:24:05.720 a channel, you opened up a doorway for these demons. 1690 01:24:05.720 --> 01:24:07.680 And it's always like does it always have to be 1691 01:24:07.720 --> 01:24:10.720 fucking demonic? Like why do we always have to go there? 1692 01:24:10.800 --> 01:24:13.520 Like can it just be an awesome experience? Did I? 1693 01:24:13.640 --> 01:24:16.640 Did I become a raging meth head after it? Did 1694 01:24:16.680 --> 01:24:17.600 I start raping? 1695 01:24:17.920 --> 01:24:18.000 Like? 1696 01:24:18.800 --> 01:24:21.279 No, Like, none of these things happened. It was a 1697 01:24:21.319 --> 01:24:24.600 positive experience, And I've taken a lot from that experience. 1698 01:24:24.640 --> 01:24:28.079 So don't sit there and your fucking judgment and try 1699 01:24:28.119 --> 01:24:30.560 and say, well, that was just a demotic experience, Like 1700 01:24:30.640 --> 01:24:33.239 I'm like, dude, I'm sorry, you're you're half of your 1701 01:24:33.279 --> 01:24:35.000 mind is just shut off at this point. 1702 01:24:34.960 --> 01:24:37.680 Yellow heme one, I get but the catwoman one. I'm 1703 01:24:37.720 --> 01:24:39.520 not saying that was a demon or not, because we've 1704 01:24:39.560 --> 01:24:42.359 had like six different stories as to who and or 1705 01:24:42.399 --> 01:24:44.680 what that entity was. Brother, I don't even know what 1706 01:24:44.720 --> 01:24:46.640 to call that. I mean, I'm still learning about it. 1707 01:24:46.680 --> 01:24:47.000 I don't. 1708 01:24:47.079 --> 01:24:49.319 I don't know, you know exactly what it was. 1709 01:24:49.359 --> 01:24:50.560 Fuck though we know that. 1710 01:24:50.680 --> 01:24:53.920 No, she wasn't trying to fuck I was, but that's 1711 01:24:53.960 --> 01:24:55.800 a different story. I'm not trying to go there. 1712 01:24:56.479 --> 01:24:58.520 But that's good. You were trying to get down with 1713 01:24:58.560 --> 01:25:00.880 the liarn you just t I mean. 1714 01:25:00.800 --> 01:25:03.119 I sairly, but I turned them on. 1715 01:25:03.439 --> 01:25:03.600 Yeah. 1716 01:25:03.640 --> 01:25:05.720 It turned like I just got real horny out of 1717 01:25:05.720 --> 01:25:08.159 nowhere with this being, and I was like, what is 1718 01:25:08.199 --> 01:25:10.560 going on? This is supposed to be a spiritual experience 1719 01:25:10.560 --> 01:25:12.920 and here I go getting horny. It's like, what's wrong 1720 01:25:12.960 --> 01:25:14.840 with me? You know? But then I found out later 1721 01:25:15.239 --> 01:25:19.479 that that's actually a cat being from the Egyptian pantheon 1722 01:25:20.800 --> 01:25:25.920 named oh God, I forget her name now sec met Yes, 1723 01:25:26.119 --> 01:25:26.520 that's it. 1724 01:25:27.319 --> 01:25:29.000 I've had her come to me as well. 1725 01:25:29.159 --> 01:25:31.159 Get out of here. I would love to hear that experience. 1726 01:25:31.239 --> 01:25:34.159 You know, she's a warrior, so she's like a fierce, 1727 01:25:34.279 --> 01:25:37.159 fierce energy, but she's also like a medicine woman at 1728 01:25:37.159 --> 01:25:37.720 the same time. 1729 01:25:37.800 --> 01:25:40.000 Yeah, I mean, Tanya, maybe you want to explain this 1730 01:25:40.199 --> 01:25:41.920 because I feel like I talked too much. Do you 1731 01:25:41.960 --> 01:25:45.279 want to talk about how, you know, like your belief 1732 01:25:45.359 --> 01:25:48.800 system around, like how the archetypal figures that symbols that 1733 01:25:48.800 --> 01:25:53.439 you're given are actually like personifications of these energy frequencies. 1734 01:25:53.520 --> 01:25:56.079 Oh yeah, yeah. So basically, so you know, we have 1735 01:25:56.159 --> 01:26:00.279 these deities all over different cultures and different religions, but 1736 01:26:00.680 --> 01:26:03.760 if you really look at them, the even different religions 1737 01:26:03.800 --> 01:26:08.039 have kind of the same figures for different energy patterns, 1738 01:26:08.239 --> 01:26:10.680 and that's kind of what these things are. Somehow these 1739 01:26:10.720 --> 01:26:13.600 seem to be like I don't know, Cody and I 1740 01:26:14.079 --> 01:26:17.119 wrestle with this a lot that if all is mind 1741 01:26:17.439 --> 01:26:21.439 and we create our reality, then by believing in something enough, 1742 01:26:21.520 --> 01:26:24.199 it does create an entity, right, which is kind of 1743 01:26:24.239 --> 01:26:26.000 scary because then you're like, well, I don't want to 1744 01:26:26.000 --> 01:26:28.920 be thinking about something demonic because then if everybody's thinking 1745 01:26:28.960 --> 01:26:31.720 about that, that's going to create something demonic, right, like. 1746 01:26:31.680 --> 01:26:32.680 A tapa or an egg. 1747 01:26:33.560 --> 01:26:36.760 Yeah, yeah, absolutely, And so the same thing with these 1748 01:26:36.880 --> 01:26:39.880 energy patterns is if like somebody is like, oh this 1749 01:26:40.119 --> 01:26:43.000 like anger and war and death and rebirth and like 1750 01:26:43.039 --> 01:26:46.560 all these different things, like eventually they become deified and 1751 01:26:46.600 --> 01:26:50.439 they become energy patterns that are if they're made from 1752 01:26:50.520 --> 01:26:53.479 humans or made to merge with humans, then it's something 1753 01:26:53.520 --> 01:26:56.920 that we can merge with. And actually that energy pattern 1754 01:26:56.920 --> 01:27:00.000 it's very it is still goes back to almost simulations. 1755 01:27:00.600 --> 01:27:03.920 It's like we're electrical beings and these electrical patterns can 1756 01:27:04.000 --> 01:27:06.439 like merge with us in order to help us like 1757 01:27:06.520 --> 01:27:09.840 click or shift into like another gear if that makes sense. 1758 01:27:10.000 --> 01:27:12.119 Yeah, but yeah, And just to just to speak to 1759 01:27:12.159 --> 01:27:15.520 two things about that, I mean, one, if this is 1760 01:27:15.720 --> 01:27:18.680 God's school essentially where we can create and what we 1761 01:27:18.720 --> 01:27:21.079 create in our mind we can create in this physical reality, 1762 01:27:21.119 --> 01:27:24.199 it implies that this is almost like a quarantine zone 1763 01:27:24.319 --> 01:27:27.840 for us to experience the ramifications of our creation, so 1764 01:27:27.880 --> 01:27:30.960 we can self teach ourselves as creators, if that's what 1765 01:27:31.000 --> 01:27:33.600 our soul is. And that also would explain like that 1766 01:27:33.680 --> 01:27:36.159 theory would explain a little bit around why there seems 1767 01:27:36.159 --> 01:27:39.239 to be sort of this like interdimensional quarantine through the 1768 01:27:39.279 --> 01:27:41.880 expression of UFOs and ups and angels like they are 1769 01:27:41.880 --> 01:27:46.359 containing things we've had. We've had a shamanic practitioner on 1770 01:27:46.479 --> 01:27:50.359 we've interviewed who essentially said that those I mean, I 1771 01:27:50.359 --> 01:27:53.000 we don't necessarily believe this, but just sharing a theory. 1772 01:27:53.239 --> 01:27:57.039 He was saying, those like, if whatever demonic things you're 1773 01:27:57.079 --> 01:28:00.479 seeing are actually higher dimensional beings, can take painting that 1774 01:28:00.680 --> 01:28:03.159 energy so it doesn't get out of control. Who knows. 1775 01:28:03.520 --> 01:28:05.159 But the one thing I want to say just to 1776 01:28:05.199 --> 01:28:08.720 speak to sort of like the danger of avoidance, because 1777 01:28:09.079 --> 01:28:11.520 we just were going over something where we were talking 1778 01:28:11.520 --> 01:28:13.479 about all we don't want to think necessarily too much 1779 01:28:13.479 --> 01:28:15.720 of this because it might create that demonic for us. 1780 01:28:15.800 --> 01:28:16.920 Right, it's just a thought. 1781 01:28:16.960 --> 01:28:20.359 It's just we're just we're just we're just you know, 1782 01:28:20.640 --> 01:28:21.760 skiing down slopes here. 1783 01:28:22.600 --> 01:28:24.520 But one of one of the things too, that is 1784 01:28:24.560 --> 01:28:27.560 like the thing we always talk about is we don't 1785 01:28:27.600 --> 01:28:31.479 want a situation where we the fear of these things 1786 01:28:31.560 --> 01:28:35.039 are essentially splitting the consciousness down the middle and separating 1787 01:28:35.119 --> 01:28:38.199 us from each other more. And we're not doing shadow work, right, 1788 01:28:38.239 --> 01:28:40.239 We do believe like we all have shadows. We need 1789 01:28:40.279 --> 01:28:41.960 to face our shit so we can learn and grow 1790 01:28:42.000 --> 01:28:44.560 from it. And a lot of times they have things 1791 01:28:44.600 --> 01:28:46.840 to teach us, you know those, I mean those If 1792 01:28:46.840 --> 01:28:49.720 I have pain for my childhood, I shouldn't be avoiding 1793 01:28:49.720 --> 01:28:52.119 it and just smoking and jerking off. I should listen 1794 01:28:52.159 --> 01:28:53.600 to it and change. 1795 01:28:54.239 --> 01:28:56.439 Like the sevenths, it's the same sort of thing even 1796 01:28:56.479 --> 01:28:59.800 in Gnoscissism, it's the arcons, which are just personifications of 1797 01:28:59.840 --> 01:29:02.640 the seven deadly sins. It's like different things that we 1798 01:29:02.840 --> 01:29:05.000 shadow work that we have to like get through, but 1799 01:29:05.039 --> 01:29:08.439 they're just personified because a lot of times we're able 1800 01:29:08.479 --> 01:29:12.039 to connect more with a person, so we like like, oh, 1801 01:29:12.239 --> 01:29:15.000 I know that being, And it's easier for us to 1802 01:29:15.159 --> 01:29:18.600 understand the energy of a person if we can see 1803 01:29:18.600 --> 01:29:22.960 a physical entity, you know, as like a statue or 1804 01:29:23.000 --> 01:29:25.319 something like that, then we're able to like understand the 1805 01:29:25.439 --> 01:29:28.960 energy pattern and change that inside of ourselves, right. 1806 01:29:28.880 --> 01:29:31.720 Right, Yeah, for sure. And you know I've I've done 1807 01:29:31.760 --> 01:29:36.359 a lot of thought into like demons and stuff like that. 1808 01:29:36.399 --> 01:29:41.039 You know, people have certain experiences with demons or damonds 1809 01:29:41.279 --> 01:29:45.760 or what is it that the Muslims call them and 1810 01:29:45.800 --> 01:29:50.359 the gin right, like, these are things that seemingly are existing. 1811 01:29:50.359 --> 01:29:53.000 I mean people thousands, hundreds of thousands of people have 1812 01:29:53.119 --> 01:29:57.800 experienced some entity or some energy or whatever like this. 1813 01:29:58.359 --> 01:30:01.199 But I always find it fascinating because most of the 1814 01:30:01.239 --> 01:30:03.840 people that come face to face with those things, it 1815 01:30:03.880 --> 01:30:06.479 always leads them right back to the good side. Like 1816 01:30:06.520 --> 01:30:09.880 it's always like I had this experience and I see 1817 01:30:09.880 --> 01:30:11.680 that they're real, and I don't like that, and I 1818 01:30:11.680 --> 01:30:12.920 don't want to be a part of that, so I'm 1819 01:30:12.920 --> 01:30:14.960 gonna go to the good side. And whether that good 1820 01:30:15.000 --> 01:30:17.399 side is religion or this or or some kind of 1821 01:30:17.439 --> 01:30:21.319 spiritual understanding, it's always like, you know, the yin and 1822 01:30:21.760 --> 01:30:24.000 the yin and the yang right, Like it's like they 1823 01:30:24.000 --> 01:30:27.680 can't exist without each other. But also it kind of 1824 01:30:27.720 --> 01:30:30.560 just seems to me, like if the demons are so bad, 1825 01:30:30.600 --> 01:30:33.279 why do they all lead everybody to spirituality or to 1826 01:30:33.319 --> 01:30:36.239 God or to religion. It's always like something positive that 1827 01:30:36.319 --> 01:30:39.720 comes from, you know, being in front of these kind 1828 01:30:39.720 --> 01:30:42.680 of like or experiencing these kind of entities. What do 1829 01:30:42.680 --> 01:30:43.760 you think about that, Jacob, Like. 1830 01:30:43.760 --> 01:30:46.319 Do you think that like they're im a now a 1831 01:30:46.319 --> 01:30:48.600 liar on this one. Brother, My demon came to me 1832 01:30:48.640 --> 01:30:51.039 first when I was five years old, came back to 1833 01:30:51.039 --> 01:30:53.000 me when I was sixteen. All of that, by the way, 1834 01:30:53.039 --> 01:30:54.960 I was very involved in the church and very strong 1835 01:30:54.960 --> 01:30:57.520 in my beliefs. This didn't scare me back into my faith, 1836 01:30:57.560 --> 01:31:01.359 if any, my faith was unshaken. At that point. I 1837 01:31:01.439 --> 01:31:05.039 lost my faith and when I was twenty nothing to 1838 01:31:05.079 --> 01:31:07.920 do with the demon whatsoever. That was a whole Uh. 1839 01:31:08.000 --> 01:31:09.720 You know, if God is so good, then why is 1840 01:31:09.720 --> 01:31:11.439 there so much evil in the world? Me, me, me, 1841 01:31:12.000 --> 01:31:14.159 you know, little Oh woe is me gone to the 1842 01:31:14.279 --> 01:31:16.039 nth degree if we're gonna be honest about it. But 1843 01:31:16.079 --> 01:31:18.359 I didn't see it that way at the time. And 1844 01:31:18.439 --> 01:31:21.239 the demon came back to me in my mid twenties, 1845 01:31:21.439 --> 01:31:23.760 and uh, that's when I had my big showdown with 1846 01:31:23.840 --> 01:31:26.199 it and threatened it. And it hadn't come back since 1847 01:31:26.239 --> 01:31:28.319 the last time I saw it. I know for sure 1848 01:31:28.439 --> 01:31:30.279 gone down a level because of the eye color. But 1849 01:31:30.359 --> 01:31:33.239 in that I learned about that through looking at demonology 1850 01:31:33.239 --> 01:31:33.960 and Grimore's and. 1851 01:31:35.720 --> 01:31:37.239 I mean it was what the eyeiconor I've never heard 1852 01:31:37.239 --> 01:31:37.800 this before. 1853 01:31:38.159 --> 01:31:41.920 So, uh, my demon when it first appeared to me 1854 01:31:42.359 --> 01:31:46.640 didn't seem like a demon whatsoever. Quick TLDR of the story. 1855 01:31:47.079 --> 01:31:50.079 My grandmother died when I was very young. I was 1856 01:31:50.119 --> 01:31:53.039 in kindergarten and well I was three when she died, 1857 01:31:53.439 --> 01:31:55.960 didn't see or experience anything until I was five years old. 1858 01:31:56.000 --> 01:31:57.520 And then from the time I was five to six, 1859 01:31:57.880 --> 01:32:00.359 I saw my grandmother out in the play and I 1860 01:32:00.439 --> 01:32:02.720 just thought it was her spirit or her soul or whatever. 1861 01:32:02.800 --> 01:32:04.279 And I would go out and play with her for 1862 01:32:04.319 --> 01:32:05.880 a little bit, and I would go play with my friends, 1863 01:32:05.920 --> 01:32:08.159 and nobody ever questioned it because I didn't really speak 1864 01:32:08.199 --> 01:32:10.680 on it, because that was just I don't know, It's 1865 01:32:10.720 --> 01:32:12.560 not something I really talked to my friends about, you know. 1866 01:32:13.960 --> 01:32:16.399 Then one day I went out to go see her 1867 01:32:16.560 --> 01:32:20.039 and it shifted and morphed into what I would now 1868 01:32:20.039 --> 01:32:22.680 classify as a demon. Knowing what I know about what 1869 01:32:22.680 --> 01:32:25.680 demons are supposed to look like. Then, as it was 1870 01:32:25.760 --> 01:32:28.039 kind of tormenting me, an angel, which at the time 1871 01:32:28.039 --> 01:32:29.640 I didn't know what that was. I didn't know I 1872 01:32:29.680 --> 01:32:31.359 was talking to a demon. I didn't know what an 1873 01:32:31.399 --> 01:32:33.800 angel was supposed to look like, came and pretty much 1874 01:32:33.800 --> 01:32:35.840 cast it out. Okay. I kind of chalked that up 1875 01:32:35.840 --> 01:32:38.640 to childlike imagination and moved on with my life. 1876 01:32:38.680 --> 01:32:40.159 What did they look like? Jacob? 1877 01:32:40.920 --> 01:32:43.880 So the memory is kind of fuzzy as far as 1878 01:32:43.880 --> 01:32:46.439 the childhood goes. Now, When I was sixteen, I got 1879 01:32:46.439 --> 01:32:47.279 a real good look at it. 1880 01:32:47.279 --> 01:32:50.359 All, kind of like the reptilian image right that we 1881 01:32:50.399 --> 01:32:51.159 had pulled up. 1882 01:32:51.479 --> 01:32:56.039 It kind of but with some differences. When I was sixteen, 1883 01:32:56.560 --> 01:33:00.079 I had another experience where the demon came and tormented me. 1884 01:33:00.159 --> 01:33:02.760 And that was the only time I've ever experienced a 1885 01:33:02.840 --> 01:33:06.760 paralysis of any type. People will say that, oh, you 1886 01:33:06.880 --> 01:33:09.079 were dreaming and this was sleep paralysis. No, I was 1887 01:33:09.119 --> 01:33:11.319 fully awake. I heard my parents in the kitchen. They 1888 01:33:11.319 --> 01:33:14.279 were talking and doing dishes and stuff. I couldn't move 1889 01:33:15.159 --> 01:33:17.920 the demon, whatever it was, it was feeding off of 1890 01:33:17.960 --> 01:33:20.399 the fear, right, Although it did scrape me and I 1891 01:33:20.439 --> 01:33:22.479 used to have scars from it, but that's long since 1892 01:33:22.520 --> 01:33:26.880 been healed. And it had golden eyes, and that that 1893 01:33:27.039 --> 01:33:29.560 is a certain I don't want to say rank, but 1894 01:33:29.680 --> 01:33:33.119 if two our English language, that would make more sense 1895 01:33:33.119 --> 01:33:35.600 to say. It's like a not a classification necessarily, but 1896 01:33:35.680 --> 01:33:37.520 like that was like a power level, a rank, if 1897 01:33:37.560 --> 01:33:42.760 you want to say. I was too young and full 1898 01:33:42.760 --> 01:33:44.359 of fear to be able to do anything about it. 1899 01:33:44.680 --> 01:33:47.359 My angel came down and fucked it up on my 1900 01:33:47.399 --> 01:33:51.640 behalf with a flaming bow and arrow. The angel, yeah, yeah, yeah, 1901 01:33:51.760 --> 01:33:53.840 so and that's whenever I learned the angel's name, which, 1902 01:33:53.840 --> 01:33:56.000 of course, this motherfucker will never let me live down 1903 01:33:56.000 --> 01:33:58.720 because it just so happened that my angel's name is Jonathan. 1904 01:33:59.119 --> 01:34:02.279 And then yeah, that was before we ever met, too, 1905 01:34:02.520 --> 01:34:04.760 and it's like a sign, dude, that's such a sign. 1906 01:34:04.920 --> 01:34:05.720 Yeah. 1907 01:34:05.800 --> 01:34:08.159 I mean, I fuck with him all the time saying, 1908 01:34:08.159 --> 01:34:09.640 oh that was I don't believe that was me by 1909 01:34:09.640 --> 01:34:11.800 any means. I just like to fuck with him and say. 1910 01:34:12.039 --> 01:34:15.119 There's no coincidences and it's not about we're talking about 1911 01:34:15.119 --> 01:34:17.720 all being connected and stuff like that. That's such a 1912 01:34:18.000 --> 01:34:18.640 that's so cool. 1913 01:34:18.840 --> 01:34:19.039 Love it. 1914 01:34:19.319 --> 01:34:22.640 And it's literally ten ten years before we met, or 1915 01:34:22.800 --> 01:34:24.920 more than ten years before we ever even met, So 1916 01:34:25.000 --> 01:34:27.279 it wasn't like, you know, I was his friend and 1917 01:34:27.359 --> 01:34:30.840 that's maybe what he you know, decided to add as 1918 01:34:30.840 --> 01:34:33.159 a part to this story. It was like, no, like 1919 01:34:33.239 --> 01:34:36.439 that was the he found out the demon's name was Jonathan, 1920 01:34:36.560 --> 01:34:39.239 and then later to find out it's like, I'm sorry, 1921 01:34:39.279 --> 01:34:41.119 the angel's name is Jonathan. I don't think you ever 1922 01:34:41.199 --> 01:34:43.119 got the demon's name, huh. 1923 01:34:42.840 --> 01:34:44.560 Nor do I care to hear. It's all good. That 1924 01:34:44.640 --> 01:34:46.479 motherfucker knows better than to come at me again. 1925 01:34:46.840 --> 01:34:47.079 Yeah. 1926 01:34:47.159 --> 01:34:49.720 Yeah, But it's crazy though, just how life works out 1927 01:34:49.760 --> 01:34:52.239 like that, you know. And it's like I feel the 1928 01:34:52.239 --> 01:34:54.800 same way, not to detract, but like from other people, 1929 01:34:55.000 --> 01:34:58.279 like like your Cody. My brother's name is Cody. Jacob's 1930 01:34:58.279 --> 01:35:01.920 Brother's name is Cody, and and it's like so weird 1931 01:35:02.039 --> 01:35:04.399 where we come in contact and they you guys could 1932 01:35:04.439 --> 01:35:06.720 not be more different his brother, my brother, and you 1933 01:35:07.239 --> 01:35:11.560 are like fractals in another universe. It is crazy, but 1934 01:35:11.640 --> 01:35:14.039 it's just it's cool because it's you know, it's it 1935 01:35:14.119 --> 01:35:16.000 rhymes a little bit. So am I gonna sit here 1936 01:35:16.039 --> 01:35:17.640 and say that I was that angel? No, I'm not 1937 01:35:17.680 --> 01:35:19.880 saying that. No, I just thought that it was funny 1938 01:35:19.920 --> 01:35:21.000 to fuck with him like that, you know. 1939 01:35:21.800 --> 01:35:25.840 So the angel was I would guess Tomate maybe eight 1940 01:35:25.880 --> 01:35:28.920 foot tall, seven eight foot tall, I know for sure, 1941 01:35:28.960 --> 01:35:31.520 two sets of wings, maybe there was a third that 1942 01:35:31.600 --> 01:35:36.159 was tucked behind, I don't know. And blonde hair, you know, 1943 01:35:36.439 --> 01:35:40.439 the whole, the whole garb of things. And the demon, 1944 01:35:41.159 --> 01:35:45.039 at least when he was his strongest, I'll say, Grayskin 1945 01:35:45.760 --> 01:35:49.119 had golden eyes, the teeth sharp as hell like fangs 1946 01:35:48.920 --> 01:35:51.640 on not all, you know, not vampire fangs, all of 1947 01:35:51.640 --> 01:35:54.720 the teeth were sharpened to points, long fingernails that were 1948 01:35:54.960 --> 01:36:00.880 pitch black, dreadlocks smelled like sulfur and dead carcass. Yeah, 1949 01:36:00.920 --> 01:36:04.039 the whole nine, very deep, voice, very ominous. And there 1950 01:36:04.039 --> 01:36:05.960 was a portion of time whenever I lost my faith. 1951 01:36:06.000 --> 01:36:08.439 And keep that in mind too, I had lost my 1952 01:36:08.520 --> 01:36:11.159 faith in God and was still seeing this demon in 1953 01:36:11.199 --> 01:36:14.239 the mirror like it was as I was losing my faith, 1954 01:36:14.279 --> 01:36:16.840 I at least acknowledged that there was something spiritual about 1955 01:36:16.840 --> 01:36:19.720 this realm, about this world. Maybe the Bible was wrong, 1956 01:36:19.760 --> 01:36:22.479 but some group has had to have gotten its semi 1957 01:36:22.560 --> 01:36:24.640 right at some point in time. So I went and 1958 01:36:24.680 --> 01:36:27.960 delved into every single religious book and text and subreddit 1959 01:36:28.000 --> 01:36:30.680 that I could fucking get my hands on, and long 1960 01:36:30.720 --> 01:36:33.199 story short, it all led me back to three that 1961 01:36:33.319 --> 01:36:35.600 even had some sort of an asseimbilance of truth that 1962 01:36:35.640 --> 01:36:38.079 could be verified in fact checked through science and history, 1963 01:36:38.359 --> 01:36:41.119 and those were the Abrahamic religions. So then through more 1964 01:36:41.239 --> 01:36:43.760 verification in my own it was like, Okay, so I 1965 01:36:43.760 --> 01:36:46.159 can either take this Bible and acknowledge it to be 1966 01:36:46.199 --> 01:36:48.600 truth and apply it the correct way, or I can 1967 01:36:48.640 --> 01:36:50.600 turn my back on it. Knowing that I am turning 1968 01:36:50.640 --> 01:36:52.600 my back on truth, and I will have to deal 1969 01:36:52.600 --> 01:36:55.039 with those consequences when the time comes for me. That 1970 01:36:55.119 --> 01:36:57.640 was a very easy choice. The last time I saw 1971 01:36:57.680 --> 01:37:01.119 my demon, he had red eyes, dark red, not like 1972 01:37:01.239 --> 01:37:04.239 laser red by any means. That means at least he 1973 01:37:04.279 --> 01:37:07.720 went down one, I think, possibly two levels, because you're 1974 01:37:07.760 --> 01:37:10.560 a human's not supposed to be able to threaten and 1975 01:37:10.640 --> 01:37:13.159 attack a demon, not in the way that I did. 1976 01:37:14.239 --> 01:37:17.760 So that basically meant that he was kind of a bitch, 1977 01:37:17.840 --> 01:37:21.119 which he is. I'll stand on that, and uh yeah, 1978 01:37:21.159 --> 01:37:26.840 so he pale, skin, wrinkly, old looking, you know features 1979 01:37:27.399 --> 01:37:29.159 he I will say. As far as the face goes, 1980 01:37:29.199 --> 01:37:30.920 you asked about what a demon is supposed to look like, 1981 01:37:31.640 --> 01:37:37.560 you'll see a long nose, not necessarily like a cartoon 1982 01:37:37.680 --> 01:37:40.520 but more like an elongation of this area. The face 1983 01:37:40.560 --> 01:37:43.640 will also be kind of droopy, like melted wax looking. 1984 01:37:44.640 --> 01:37:48.520 These are all kind of indicative of that. So okay, Yeah. 1985 01:37:48.439 --> 01:37:50.760 First off, that's an amazing story, and thank you for 1986 01:37:50.800 --> 01:37:52.359 sharing that with us. That's so cool. 1987 01:37:52.800 --> 01:37:54.640 There's more to it, But I mean, we did an 1988 01:37:54.640 --> 01:37:57.359 episode on in a while back that was, Yeah. 1989 01:37:57.319 --> 01:37:59.359 Isn't isn't it so funny when you're putting a position 1990 01:37:59.439 --> 01:38:03.239 to like some like the most significant religious experience of 1991 01:38:03.279 --> 01:38:06.560 your entire life, Like ye two minutes and you kind 1992 01:38:06.560 --> 01:38:08.079 of just gloss over with the beats and you're like, 1993 01:38:08.079 --> 01:38:11.319 if you only knew the emotion and the details and 1994 01:38:11.359 --> 01:38:14.800 how real this was today, that's amazing and I think 1995 01:38:14.800 --> 01:38:17.000 one of the one of the most significant things where 1996 01:38:17.439 --> 01:38:19.920 like look, I mean when it comes to the shadow 1997 01:38:20.000 --> 01:38:22.520 side of the of all of this, I mean, just 1998 01:38:22.560 --> 01:38:25.279 before we launch into this, I'll say, one, that's why 1999 01:38:25.520 --> 01:38:28.439 working with psychedelics because it opens your field so much. 2000 01:38:28.680 --> 01:38:33.640 Our teachers are very serious on protection and you know, 2001 01:38:33.760 --> 01:38:36.640 like they all of our teachers, that's part of this 2002 01:38:36.840 --> 01:38:40.560 of shamanism, uh and you know so so. But for us, 2003 01:38:40.640 --> 01:38:42.880 you know, we had to like wrestle with that for 2004 01:38:42.920 --> 01:38:45.479 a long time. You know, are there you know? Are 2005 01:38:45.720 --> 01:38:47.960 you know? Is there a shadow? Are there demons? Are 2006 01:38:47.960 --> 01:38:50.039 there this or that? You know? And as much as 2007 01:38:50.079 --> 01:38:51.680 and I'd say that's even a little bit a blind 2008 01:38:51.680 --> 01:38:54.119 spot for us that we want to believe it's all 2009 01:38:54.119 --> 01:38:56.000 good and it's all God. But the truth is is 2010 01:38:56.039 --> 01:38:59.680 that that's an inconvenient truth of not only this type of 2011 01:38:59.680 --> 01:39:04.119 work or this being a human, but also of being 2012 01:39:04.439 --> 01:39:07.520 being someone that has these type of conversations around these 2013 01:39:07.600 --> 01:39:10.399 ideas where there is so much gray area. There's a 2014 01:39:10.439 --> 01:39:12.520 lot of people gun slinging out there when it comes 2015 01:39:12.560 --> 01:39:15.399 to this stuff. So I mean, like that's a major 2016 01:39:15.640 --> 01:39:18.960 point of interest. I think the thing that like was 2017 01:39:19.000 --> 01:39:23.239 really startling for us when it can't it's when it 2018 01:39:23.279 --> 01:39:25.359 came to because we're always looking for some sort of 2019 01:39:25.399 --> 01:39:29.439 like validation. Okay, we have these texts, we have personal experiences, 2020 01:39:29.680 --> 01:39:32.319 and then we looked with science or history or you know. 2021 01:39:32.359 --> 01:39:33.920 Govern their people's experiences. 2022 01:39:34.159 --> 01:39:37.119 We're all looking right, you guys have gotten into the 2023 01:39:37.159 --> 01:39:38.520 gateway process, right. 2024 01:39:38.640 --> 01:39:42.000 Hell yeah, yeah dude, Robert Monroe, Yeah dude. 2025 01:39:42.079 --> 01:39:44.800 So like that thirty five year old study where the 2026 01:39:44.840 --> 01:39:48.479 CIA essentially like proves consciousness and everything we know and 2027 01:39:48.520 --> 01:39:52.680 are talking about here. Yeah, I mean that thesis statement 2028 01:39:52.800 --> 01:39:53.439 is you have. 2029 01:39:53.439 --> 01:39:57.720 You seen the last page that isn't really like put out? No, 2030 01:39:58.239 --> 01:40:01.920 not sure, there's like there, like, uh, there's like pages 2031 01:40:01.960 --> 01:40:05.239 that are through the Monroe Institute or something, but they 2032 01:40:05.239 --> 01:40:07.119 weren't released with the CIA documents. 2033 01:40:07.319 --> 01:40:09.119 Yeah, I mean I thought that was we have to 2034 01:40:09.199 --> 01:40:11.079 Now this makes me want to fact check this, But 2035 01:40:11.239 --> 01:40:14.760 essentially they say that their thesis after the thirty five 2036 01:40:14.840 --> 01:40:18.039 year study is that there is an interdimensional race of 2037 01:40:18.039 --> 01:40:22.159 beings that are siphoning off They call the emot emotional 2038 01:40:22.399 --> 01:40:25.359 energy negative energy exactly what you said, Jacob. They call 2039 01:40:25.399 --> 01:40:28.479 it loosh. And that's like, because we want to make 2040 01:40:28.479 --> 01:40:30.600 a documentary about it. Once we caught that, we were. 2041 01:40:30.479 --> 01:40:33.760 Like, oh fuck, well that's that's where Monsters Inc. Got 2042 01:40:33.800 --> 01:40:36.079 its thing from the monster in the closet that they're 2043 01:40:36.119 --> 01:40:39.720 powering their world off of the screams of children. That's 2044 01:40:39.760 --> 01:40:42.560 based off of a whole backstory to this one hundred percent. 2045 01:40:43.119 --> 01:40:47.000 Well what do you think about if okay, if that's true, 2046 01:40:47.359 --> 01:40:49.479 and there's a lot of evidence to support it, including 2047 01:40:49.520 --> 01:40:52.000 what you just said, Jacob, which is like some serious shit. 2048 01:40:52.600 --> 01:40:57.880 So obviously the negative those negative archetypes are feeding off 2049 01:40:57.960 --> 01:41:01.760 of things like fear. Right, Well, how do you raise 2050 01:41:01.800 --> 01:41:06.640 awareness around this this aspect of reality without creating more fear, 2051 01:41:06.680 --> 01:41:10.439 which is the very thing that the you know, Like, 2052 01:41:10.479 --> 01:41:11.960 that's sort of the question. 2053 01:41:12.119 --> 01:41:16.600 So it's difficult because everybody, how could I put this? 2054 01:41:17.199 --> 01:41:17.479 All? Right? 2055 01:41:17.479 --> 01:41:19.479 I saw a meme once upon a gap, right, and 2056 01:41:19.520 --> 01:41:23.760 it was a chihuahua and a Saint Bernard who just 2057 01:41:23.800 --> 01:41:25.520 went through a mud puddle and you could tell the 2058 01:41:25.560 --> 01:41:28.560 mud puddle was like eight inches tall. The Chihuahua had 2059 01:41:28.560 --> 01:41:31.359 it up to the neck. The German, I'm sorry, the 2060 01:41:31.359 --> 01:41:33.399 Saint Bernard had it like midway up the calf. And 2061 01:41:33.439 --> 01:41:36.039 it's like, everybody experiences the same shit, but it's not 2062 01:41:36.159 --> 01:41:39.640 the same shit to each person, you see what I mean. So, 2063 01:41:39.720 --> 01:41:42.359 whenever you're telling, like, how do you deal with fear, 2064 01:41:42.960 --> 01:41:45.359 the method that works for me may not work for 2065 01:41:45.399 --> 01:41:47.560 this other person because that fear, even though it was 2066 01:41:47.560 --> 01:41:51.479 the exact same experience, resonated with them differently. What I 2067 01:41:51.520 --> 01:41:53.840 can say is that fear is a There is some 2068 01:41:55.119 --> 01:41:59.079 logical fear, right, a fear of falling from a great height. Okay, fine, 2069 01:41:59.079 --> 01:42:01.760 we could at least acknowled there's a natural survival instinct 2070 01:42:01.760 --> 01:42:04.920 type fear of that fear of things of the spiritual 2071 01:42:05.199 --> 01:42:09.119 or the esoteric, or of the other dimensional. There's not 2072 01:42:09.279 --> 01:42:11.640 much you can really do about it unless you prep 2073 01:42:11.720 --> 01:42:14.199 for it. Now, I am of the belief that we 2074 01:42:14.239 --> 01:42:17.079 are in the middle of a spiritual warfare. Okay, my 2075 01:42:17.159 --> 01:42:19.760 religious book says to put on your armor daily. He 2076 01:42:19.800 --> 01:42:21.960 didn't say grab your bible and be a hippie, he 2077 01:42:22.039 --> 01:42:24.840 said to arm yourself, Like, I don't know why people 2078 01:42:24.840 --> 01:42:26.960 get into faith thinking that it's gonna be happy, happy, 2079 01:42:27.000 --> 01:42:28.840 joy joy. He told you to strap the fuck up, 2080 01:42:29.119 --> 01:42:32.520 So like dress accordingly, you know that being the case. 2081 01:42:33.680 --> 01:42:36.479 Having fear of things that you know are like fear 2082 01:42:36.520 --> 01:42:40.039 of the dark. If you're afraid of running into something 2083 01:42:40.079 --> 01:42:42.039 in the pitch black dark as you're walking that you 2084 01:42:42.079 --> 01:42:45.520 can't see. Okay, we can logically assess this having fear 2085 01:42:45.560 --> 01:42:49.479 of darkness as a whole for what why are you afraid? 2086 01:42:49.520 --> 01:42:52.119 You have to delve deeper into the actual nuances of 2087 01:42:52.159 --> 01:42:55.880 where that true fear for you comes from. Fear is 2088 01:42:56.000 --> 01:43:00.760 mostly a liar, mostly right now, having a phobia of 2089 01:43:00.800 --> 01:43:03.960 something because of some traumatic experience you had in your life. Okay, 2090 01:43:04.079 --> 01:43:07.560 I'm not gonna belittle that by any means, But being 2091 01:43:07.640 --> 01:43:11.239 afraid of just for the sake of being afraid, who 2092 01:43:11.239 --> 01:43:14.800 does that help? It only hurts, which means there is 2093 01:43:14.880 --> 01:43:17.239 of the spiritual. Like you said, the spectrum, there is 2094 01:43:17.239 --> 01:43:19.199 a side feeding off of one type of energy and 2095 01:43:19.239 --> 01:43:21.039 a side feeding off of the other type of energy. 2096 01:43:21.319 --> 01:43:23.920 Fear for the sake of being afraid, you know something's 2097 01:43:23.920 --> 01:43:26.239 feeding off of that or we could take that. Even 2098 01:43:26.279 --> 01:43:29.239 aside from fear, lust, gluttony, all of these other things, 2099 01:43:29.640 --> 01:43:32.279 you as a human being doing something that is going 2100 01:43:32.319 --> 01:43:35.359 to hurt yourself, hurts society, hurts your family, whatever the 2101 01:43:35.359 --> 01:43:38.359 case is, something is feeding off of that and begging 2102 01:43:38.399 --> 01:43:41.399 for more, you know what I mean. That's all. It 2103 01:43:41.520 --> 01:43:43.560 all encompasses this, it's all a part of it. So 2104 01:43:43.640 --> 01:43:46.600 for me, yeah, there's certain things that I wouldn't say 2105 01:43:46.640 --> 01:43:49.479 I'm afraid of necessarily, certain things I try to avoid, 2106 01:43:49.680 --> 01:43:53.840 of course, but I don't have a fear of dot 2107 01:43:53.880 --> 01:43:55.600 dot dot as far as I know. And it's not 2108 01:43:55.640 --> 01:43:57.479 like I'm over here trying to say I'm billy badass 2109 01:43:57.600 --> 01:44:01.239 or any of that. It's just it's like, the problem 2110 01:44:01.359 --> 01:44:04.399 is not the problem. Your attitude about the problem is 2111 01:44:04.399 --> 01:44:04.880 the problem. 2112 01:44:05.039 --> 01:44:06.840 We were just talking about this, Like courage is in 2113 01:44:06.920 --> 01:44:09.319 the absence of fear. It's feeling the fear and doing 2114 01:44:09.399 --> 01:44:11.960 it anyways, right, Like exactly, It's like it's not that. 2115 01:44:12.439 --> 01:44:16.760 So it's not the focus on get abolishing fear through 2116 01:44:16.960 --> 01:44:21.600 ignorant insert or resisting something. It's it's by fostering a 2117 01:44:21.640 --> 01:44:24.159 spirit of courage. That's how you overcome fear. 2118 01:44:24.359 --> 01:44:26.119 So absolutely that's fascinating. 2119 01:44:26.119 --> 01:44:26.840 That's fascinating. 2120 01:44:27.079 --> 01:44:30.199 Yeah, it's cool though, because you know, even in Jacob's 2121 01:44:30.199 --> 01:44:34.399 demonic experience, he knew that he had like God at 2122 01:44:34.439 --> 01:44:36.199 his back and that he could call on God and 2123 01:44:36.239 --> 01:44:40.199 almost like threaten this demon with God. Like whatever power 2124 01:44:40.279 --> 01:44:43.199 you have, whatever kind of control you think you have, 2125 01:44:43.920 --> 01:44:46.840 I have something that is much more powerful behind me. 2126 01:44:46.960 --> 01:44:48.880 And that kind of leads me to my question with 2127 01:44:48.920 --> 01:44:51.119 you guys. You know, with all of your research and 2128 01:44:51.159 --> 01:44:53.640 all of the conversations that you've had in your experiences 2129 01:44:53.680 --> 01:44:56.359 and stuff like that, are do you find that you're 2130 01:44:56.439 --> 01:45:01.439 able to take your prior knowledge into those achadelic experiences 2131 01:45:01.560 --> 01:45:04.720 to where if you experience something you know, negative or 2132 01:45:04.800 --> 01:45:07.720 nasty or scary or whatever the case may be, can 2133 01:45:07.760 --> 01:45:10.680 you do you have anything that would kind of be 2134 01:45:10.880 --> 01:45:13.079 like your armor of God, so to say, some kind 2135 01:45:13.119 --> 01:45:14.840 of information or knowledge that you would have to be 2136 01:45:14.880 --> 01:45:17.279 able to bring in there and disperse that or at 2137 01:45:17.359 --> 01:45:18.840 least look at it from a different angle. 2138 01:45:19.680 --> 01:45:23.119 Yeah, I mean anytime, because for me, at least, like 2139 01:45:23.199 --> 01:45:28.800 I'm very lucid inside of the experiences. So I like 2140 01:45:28.800 --> 01:45:31.720 when it ustopecially in ayahuasca done so much with well, 2141 01:45:31.760 --> 01:45:34.640 I guess with mushrooms too, but ayahuasca more so is 2142 01:45:34.720 --> 01:45:37.680 like it's a communication back and forth, like I can 2143 01:45:37.760 --> 01:45:40.319 just speak telepathically and just like ask questions and get 2144 01:45:40.439 --> 01:45:45.079 received messages. So it's almost like when I go into 2145 01:45:45.119 --> 01:45:48.520 these experiences, if I experience something that's scary or negative, 2146 01:45:48.760 --> 01:45:50.359 I more or less just be like, Okay, what are 2147 01:45:50.399 --> 01:45:52.960 you trying to show me? Like what is it? What 2148 01:45:53.039 --> 01:45:54.920 are you trying to show me? Because I know I'm 2149 01:45:54.960 --> 01:45:57.680 not in any danger right now, I'm totally safe, Like 2150 01:45:57.720 --> 01:46:01.600 there's people facilitating, I'm protect that, I'm totally fine. I'm like, 2151 01:46:01.680 --> 01:46:04.159 what are you trying to show me? And it will 2152 01:46:04.199 --> 01:46:08.399 always unveil itself and show me what it is trying 2153 01:46:08.479 --> 01:46:11.840 to like the thing that is like the shadow element, 2154 01:46:11.920 --> 01:46:14.279 and usually it is a something that is in my 2155 01:46:14.399 --> 01:46:16.960 subconscious mind or something in my past or a trauma 2156 01:46:17.039 --> 01:46:19.760 or something that I'm not facing that is coming forward 2157 01:46:19.840 --> 01:46:22.720 to be faced. And so by doing it with love 2158 01:46:22.720 --> 01:46:25.399 and being like Okay, I see that you're here, Why 2159 01:46:25.399 --> 01:46:27.960 are you here? What is this? You know? And then 2160 01:46:28.000 --> 01:46:29.880 it will unveil itself to me and I'll be able 2161 01:46:29.880 --> 01:46:32.760 to work through it. But it definitely is just a 2162 01:46:32.840 --> 01:46:37.680 practice of knowing and learning that you can communicate y 2163 01:46:37.840 --> 01:46:41.199 and you can. You are totally fucking safe and you 2164 01:46:41.359 --> 01:46:44.720 just have to go forward and be with strength and 2165 01:46:44.800 --> 01:46:46.880 courage and be like all right, I see you. This 2166 01:46:46.960 --> 01:46:49.840 is really fucking scary, but I'm gonna do it anyway, right, And. 2167 01:46:49.760 --> 01:46:52.640 We'd love the opportunity to teach some of the shamanic tools, 2168 01:46:52.680 --> 01:46:56.439 like almost like the protocols. That's very much our passion 2169 01:46:56.640 --> 01:46:58.920 in terms of what we'd like to do. But just 2170 01:46:58.960 --> 01:47:03.920 to speaks to what she said, Uh yeah, I mean 2171 01:47:04.720 --> 01:47:08.399 without getting into the tools, I mean, you're and there's 2172 01:47:08.840 --> 01:47:11.520 sort of levels and so this is an art. There's 2173 01:47:11.520 --> 01:47:15.319 an art in a science to this work. You know. Again, 2174 01:47:15.359 --> 01:47:16.720 like there's a lot of like oh I did this, 2175 01:47:16.840 --> 01:47:21.079 I did that, Like this is before recorded history, this 2176 01:47:21.199 --> 01:47:24.680 work was being done, you know. And the so there's 2177 01:47:24.680 --> 01:47:27.000 a lot that you can do, you know. And I'll 2178 01:47:27.000 --> 01:47:28.840 get into a little bit of the of the tools. 2179 01:47:29.800 --> 01:47:34.640 So if you eat a certain diet, there is a 2180 01:47:34.640 --> 01:47:38.119 certain way of you know, staving from It's. 2181 01:47:38.000 --> 01:47:40.760 Literally like caffeine sex sex. 2182 01:47:43.119 --> 01:47:50.319 I think caffeine, sax, dairy, cheese, cannabis, alcohol, meat. Some 2183 01:47:50.359 --> 01:47:54.119 people say some lineages they'll say like if you're gonna 2184 01:47:54.119 --> 01:47:55.720 do meat fish. 2185 01:47:56.279 --> 01:47:58.920 Yeah, but it's mostly you just stay you're saying to grain, 2186 01:47:59.119 --> 01:48:03.159 no salt, and you're doing like grains, vegetables, fruit and 2187 01:48:03.479 --> 01:48:06.399 like lagoons or something like that. But it's very very 2188 01:48:06.479 --> 01:48:07.119 clean diet. 2189 01:48:07.199 --> 01:48:09.439 You're talking about like this is like the way of 2190 01:48:09.479 --> 01:48:12.520 the plants. This is plant medicine. This is there's an old, 2191 01:48:12.560 --> 01:48:16.760 old indigenous parable which is essentially like God gave humans 2192 01:48:16.880 --> 01:48:20.760 the animals for meat, and then we abused the animals 2193 01:48:20.800 --> 01:48:24.920 in the way we killed them and the way we 2194 01:48:25.039 --> 01:48:28.319 housed them and you know, tortured them to extract the meat. 2195 01:48:28.600 --> 01:48:31.800 So the animal spirit and animal kingdom gave us disease 2196 01:48:32.079 --> 01:48:36.760 through our meat, and then the plant kingdom volunteered themselves 2197 01:48:36.800 --> 01:48:40.239 as medicine. And that's just their story of the order 2198 01:48:40.279 --> 01:48:43.920 of things. So and in that lineage, to put it 2199 01:48:43.920 --> 01:48:46.920 in a more modern context, that belief system is the 2200 01:48:47.000 --> 01:48:50.319 plants are like seventh dimensional and that that's why if 2201 01:48:50.319 --> 01:48:52.800 you work with something like a cychoed medicine in nature 2202 01:48:52.960 --> 01:48:54.520 are you one of the first things you see is 2203 01:48:54.560 --> 01:48:57.039 you kind of start tuning to the net nature vibration. 2204 01:48:57.479 --> 01:49:00.000 You see them as sort of these hyperdimensional things. 2205 01:49:00.399 --> 01:49:02.920 You feel like you can communicate with them. It's really wild, 2206 01:49:03.000 --> 01:49:03.520 that's why. 2207 01:49:03.640 --> 01:49:06.479 So so it's the way of the plants we're talking about. 2208 01:49:06.479 --> 01:49:08.640 So you're just eating kind of plants and you're starving 2209 01:49:08.680 --> 01:49:12.920 yourself of like these every food and everything has a frequency. 2210 01:49:13.199 --> 01:49:16.319 And essentially what you're doing in shamanism is you're tuning 2211 01:49:16.439 --> 01:49:19.800 your frequency, your EMF field like a like a radio channel, 2212 01:49:20.079 --> 01:49:23.800 to these other dimensional frequencies because and really it's it's 2213 01:49:23.880 --> 01:49:29.159 all one frequency. It's our perceptual limitation and self identity 2214 01:49:29.199 --> 01:49:33.399 of the self keeps us trapped in a singular frequency. 2215 01:49:32.960 --> 01:49:35.479 And are also their densities, is right, You know, everything 2216 01:49:35.479 --> 01:49:37.439 has like a different actual density. 2217 01:49:37.560 --> 01:49:39.159 So the next thing you do is you're sort of 2218 01:49:39.199 --> 01:49:42.039 like making the space. Some people grid the space. I mean, 2219 01:49:42.079 --> 01:49:44.479 the main thing you're doing is you're essentially like you 2220 01:49:44.520 --> 01:49:46.960 are using your free will to call in God. And 2221 01:49:47.000 --> 01:49:49.079 you can also work with your ancestors. You want to 2222 01:49:49.119 --> 01:49:52.119 work with your heel ancestors, you can work with angels essentially. 2223 01:49:52.239 --> 01:49:55.119 Like the other side is there is a it's like 2224 01:49:55.159 --> 01:49:58.800 a bureaucracy, like a very functional government almost like there 2225 01:49:58.840 --> 01:50:01.800 are a lot of force is that volunteer themselves to 2226 01:50:02.000 --> 01:50:04.479 do help with this work. And also the same way 2227 01:50:04.520 --> 01:50:06.279 you can have past lives, you can have like some 2228 01:50:06.319 --> 01:50:08.720 sort of like I don't know, if it's like a 2229 01:50:08.720 --> 01:50:12.600 contract or like your personal frequency can be I don't know, 2230 01:50:12.640 --> 01:50:15.239 you have some sort of karmic bond to something like 2231 01:50:15.319 --> 01:50:19.000 an archangel Jonathan and who's like Ninja, this is my dude, 2232 01:50:19.039 --> 01:50:21.520 and comes like bad damn and like rolls out and 2233 01:50:22.039 --> 01:50:23.479 you know. And it's funny because a lot of people 2234 01:50:23.479 --> 01:50:26.119 that do this type of work, they're very sensitive people. 2235 01:50:26.199 --> 01:50:27.800 So like if you're like, oh, I feel guilty, like 2236 01:50:27.920 --> 01:50:30.359 asking for all these things like space, time doesn't even 2237 01:50:30.439 --> 01:50:32.880 exist in this way. And the crazy thing is we've 2238 01:50:32.880 --> 01:50:35.800 done ceremonies where some of the most profound healings are 2239 01:50:35.800 --> 01:50:37.840 the individual like Tanya, and she can tell the story 2240 01:50:37.920 --> 01:50:40.960 later is going back in time to heal something and 2241 01:50:41.039 --> 01:50:43.439 help your child self. So sometimes we'll even joke be 2242 01:50:43.439 --> 01:50:45.640 like we're praying to our future selves here and they're 2243 01:50:45.720 --> 01:50:48.600 stepping into the ceremony to help with this shit. So 2244 01:50:49.279 --> 01:50:52.039 I digress. So once you step into space, you light 2245 01:50:52.079 --> 01:50:55.159 a candle. You can give thanks to the elements again, 2246 01:50:55.279 --> 01:50:58.359 giving thanks gratitude. Love is the word we use for connection. 2247 01:50:58.520 --> 01:51:01.840 Gratitude is the bridge to love. So by giving thanks 2248 01:51:01.880 --> 01:51:05.039 to the elements, to God, to you're forming these energetic 2249 01:51:05.039 --> 01:51:07.720 connections and you're creating what's known as a point of life. 2250 01:51:07.960 --> 01:51:10.840 From that point. Really, the best thing about these medicines 2251 01:51:10.880 --> 01:51:13.640 and these tools is they give you the ability to 2252 01:51:13.760 --> 01:51:17.119 see the effect of your spiritual and religious practice. So 2253 01:51:17.239 --> 01:51:19.880 if you're Christian, you bring the Bible in baby you. 2254 01:51:20.319 --> 01:51:24.600 And also it's most important for the individual whatever raises 2255 01:51:24.640 --> 01:51:28.920 their frequency to the highest connection of love or spirituality. 2256 01:51:29.039 --> 01:51:31.239 Love seems to be the highest frequency if it's the 2257 01:51:31.279 --> 01:51:33.039 Bible that is right there. 2258 01:51:33.359 --> 01:51:35.279 It's also like totems, like if you have like a 2259 01:51:35.319 --> 01:51:37.520 necklace from your grandmother, and your grandmother you're like, this 2260 01:51:37.560 --> 01:51:39.960 is my angel. This is like the one person in 2261 01:51:40.000 --> 01:51:42.039 my life you can bring in that necklace. It literally 2262 01:51:42.119 --> 01:51:44.199 is just a totem to be able to draw in 2263 01:51:44.199 --> 01:51:45.399 that higher energy. 2264 01:51:45.560 --> 01:51:48.800 Calling in that energy. It's almost like your mind is 2265 01:51:48.840 --> 01:51:51.880 where you put putting the browser or you know, over 2266 01:51:51.920 --> 01:51:53.760 the folder and it pops up right. So if it's 2267 01:51:53.800 --> 01:51:55.319 you want to call on your grandma, you have it 2268 01:51:55.319 --> 01:51:57.439 there because it helps keep your mind on it. We 2269 01:51:57.479 --> 01:52:00.279 have an attention problem. Our minds are going crazy. So 2270 01:52:00.359 --> 01:52:02.199 if you could put those things there to try to 2271 01:52:02.600 --> 01:52:04.920 reconnect with them while you're in the space and your 2272 01:52:05.079 --> 01:52:08.600 fucking mind is dissolving, and then pretty much that's it. 2273 01:52:08.680 --> 01:52:12.159 So you light a candle. Thanks to elements, thanks to you, 2274 01:52:12.159 --> 01:52:15.840 you can. We recommend highly. Look, people call it different things, 2275 01:52:16.239 --> 01:52:19.479 Rah God, Wanka, tanka, Yoshibu, great mystery. He or she 2276 01:52:19.560 --> 01:52:22.359 has many names, but remains the nameless one. You call 2277 01:52:22.399 --> 01:52:25.720 it whatever that is to you. You call that and 2278 01:52:25.760 --> 01:52:28.680 don't fuck with it anything else. Like people, we know 2279 01:52:28.680 --> 01:52:31.119 a lot people that cowboy, don't risk it. We don't 2280 01:52:31.159 --> 01:52:32.479 know enough about this shit. 2281 01:52:32.760 --> 01:52:35.359 We also used to cowboy, by the way, Yeah, then 2282 01:52:35.399 --> 01:52:37.880 we cowboy and then we were like then once we 2283 01:52:38.000 --> 01:52:40.760 like tuned in and actually saw like the way that 2284 01:52:40.800 --> 01:52:43.159 we were doing it, like the proper way, we were like, 2285 01:52:43.319 --> 01:52:44.600 oh do that. 2286 01:52:44.720 --> 01:52:46.760 There's a long story. We have an episode we've done 2287 01:52:46.880 --> 01:52:49.279 Valentine's Day few weeks ago. It's like called our Supernatural 2288 01:52:49.279 --> 01:52:51.520 Love Story on ASCID for squares, and we tell the 2289 01:52:51.520 --> 01:52:54.199 story of how we got to this point. But the 2290 01:52:54.239 --> 01:52:57.000 point is is now, once you do all those things 2291 01:52:57.039 --> 01:52:59.079 and you take the medicine and the playlist ascent at 2292 01:52:59.079 --> 01:53:01.640 that point. You're job is to surrender. I mean we 2293 01:53:01.680 --> 01:53:04.479 literally have purge buckets. We have tools around us. Sage 2294 01:53:04.520 --> 01:53:07.760 we used to clear energy and you know, and I 2295 01:53:07.760 --> 01:53:09.880 think science has proven now it kills ninety eight percent 2296 01:53:09.880 --> 01:53:13.199 of the bacteria in the air. That is more like 2297 01:53:13.399 --> 01:53:16.079 a lower density, so you can get like sick using it. 2298 01:53:16.279 --> 01:53:19.560 Polasanto's more like higher frequency. That's more to like lift 2299 01:53:19.840 --> 01:53:20.640 the vibe of the room. 2300 01:53:20.680 --> 01:53:24.159 We use hepei, which is a sacred tobacco that's ground 2301 01:53:24.239 --> 01:53:26.920 up with a tree ash from the Amazons, from the tribes, 2302 01:53:27.079 --> 01:53:29.279 from the tribes the Kuni Kun tribe is who we 2303 01:53:29.319 --> 01:53:31.760 get ours from. And so it's basically like a like 2304 01:53:31.840 --> 01:53:35.119 a tepe thing. You blow it into somebody's nose and 2305 01:53:35.159 --> 01:53:37.560 it clears energy out. So if you're like, you know, 2306 01:53:37.600 --> 01:53:39.680 you're having a really hard experience and you're like, I 2307 01:53:39.720 --> 01:53:42.800 cannot get through this, like it helps clear the energy 2308 01:53:42.800 --> 01:53:44.079 so you can process things faster. 2309 01:53:44.239 --> 01:53:47.840 The ancient teger plants and it clears It's like, So 2310 01:53:48.079 --> 01:53:50.399 that's what the main thing is with a lot of 2311 01:53:50.399 --> 01:53:52.800 people what they get into this work. The first thing 2312 01:53:52.800 --> 01:53:55.720 you have to learn is how to purge lower vibrational energy, 2313 01:53:55.960 --> 01:54:01.760 and that's done through sweating, crying, vomiting, burpan, yawning. 2314 01:54:02.199 --> 01:54:04.439 Going to the bathroom, anything exactly. 2315 01:54:04.520 --> 01:54:07.319 So it's like to people comfortable with that, I mean 2316 01:54:07.439 --> 01:54:10.239 like you know, and that because a lot of people resist. 2317 01:54:10.000 --> 01:54:12.359 Like you know, but nobody likes throwing up. 2318 01:54:12.439 --> 01:54:15.560 You know. Once once you get into that point where 2319 01:54:15.560 --> 01:54:18.319 we're like the space is set, no one's bothering, phones 2320 01:54:18.359 --> 01:54:21.039 are off, like we're waiting for the rocket ship to 2321 01:54:21.119 --> 01:54:24.640 go off. Uh, you know, that's when the work begins. 2322 01:54:24.680 --> 01:54:26.800 And that's that's like the gloves are off, like you've 2323 01:54:27.039 --> 01:54:30.359 you've you've made the space safe, which just using your 2324 01:54:30.359 --> 01:54:33.439 free will, and then you're then you're surrendering. And what 2325 01:54:33.520 --> 01:54:36.880 Tanya said like about like whatever comes, you know, comes 2326 01:54:37.199 --> 01:54:39.399 the hard thing for me, Like she's really good at 2327 01:54:39.399 --> 01:54:44.039 surrendering for me. Like I'll see like something shadowy and 2328 01:54:44.239 --> 01:54:50.319 like a shadowy image or literally like not exactly spirituals. 2329 01:54:50.960 --> 01:54:53.880 I'll start being like I spend years, I'll give be 2330 01:54:53.920 --> 01:54:56.359 here for hours if I told this story, but I'm 2331 01:54:56.479 --> 01:54:59.079 not gonna tell it. But I my first foray with this, 2332 01:54:59.239 --> 01:55:02.159 I was like dem and I kicked and screamed and 2333 01:55:02.159 --> 01:55:04.880 it was torture. I mean, I'm in the Amazon for days, 2334 01:55:05.279 --> 01:55:07.119 and I mean the first time, it was the worst 2335 01:55:07.159 --> 01:55:09.960 experience of my life. I essentially heard beings around me 2336 01:55:10.079 --> 01:55:12.520 talking about me and touching me like I was there, 2337 01:55:12.920 --> 01:55:16.640 and I went I reacted to them, and they reacted 2338 01:55:16.640 --> 01:55:18.439 to me reacting to them, and started being like, it's okay, 2339 01:55:18.680 --> 01:55:20.840 don't worry, We're trying to here to help you. And 2340 01:55:20.880 --> 01:55:23.760 I was like, nope, I'm out, and I just kicked 2341 01:55:23.760 --> 01:55:26.640 and screamed the entire time. Really, the next day, I'm 2342 01:55:26.640 --> 01:55:29.479 like on the fucking one phone to call back home. 2343 01:55:29.520 --> 01:55:32.119 I'm crying my parents. I'm like, I spend all this money. 2344 01:55:32.159 --> 01:55:33.800 I'm like, I can't. I want to do this. That 2345 01:55:33.920 --> 01:55:36.840 was so scary, that was so hard. I'm done. I 2346 01:55:36.840 --> 01:55:39.000 can't do it like I thought. It was demonic, like 2347 01:55:39.479 --> 01:55:43.319 so freaked out by it. And then I, you know, 2348 01:55:43.720 --> 01:55:45.720 my parents like come home, come home, It's okay, don't 2349 01:55:45.720 --> 01:55:48.359 be embarrassed, Like, don't be embarrassed. Forget the money, it 2350 01:55:48.399 --> 01:55:50.880 doesn't matter, like just come home. But one of the 2351 01:55:50.960 --> 01:55:53.560 visions I got was my sister and she was like this, 2352 01:55:53.760 --> 01:55:56.760 like cold and alone, walking down the street in the 2353 01:55:56.840 --> 01:55:59.760 snow in New York City, like scared, and I was 2354 01:55:59.800 --> 01:56:01.920 like I might being shown this vision. And when I 2355 01:56:02.000 --> 01:56:04.520 called my sister. I called her after and I told 2356 01:56:04.520 --> 01:56:06.479 her the vision. It just broke down crying and she 2357 01:56:06.600 --> 01:56:11.520 was sexually she was sexually assaulted right beforehand. Yeah, it 2358 01:56:11.560 --> 01:56:13.680 was two weeks before. She didn't tell anyone and she 2359 01:56:13.720 --> 01:56:17.399 was suicidal, and I it gave me an opportunity the 2360 01:56:17.479 --> 01:56:19.680 vision to tell my parents, to tell her to tell 2361 01:56:19.680 --> 01:56:21.239 my parents, and for her to get help, and it 2362 01:56:21.319 --> 01:56:24.520 like changed our lives. So so I'm like, I'm so 2363 01:56:24.640 --> 01:56:27.840 freaked out. I'm scared, thinking this is like demonic shit. 2364 01:56:28.359 --> 01:56:31.199 And then on the other hand, it just saved my 2365 01:56:31.319 --> 01:56:35.000 fucking sister. So I was like, fuck it, I'm going back. 2366 01:56:35.039 --> 01:56:37.079 And I went back night and after night, and it 2367 01:56:37.159 --> 01:56:39.399 was like a three year journey to get me to 2368 01:56:39.600 --> 01:56:43.119 see the fact that this was not demonic. But I 2369 01:56:43.279 --> 01:56:45.800 was so scared, like I really thought it was like 2370 01:56:45.840 --> 01:56:49.039 I feared that. But anyways, the point is that when 2371 01:56:49.359 --> 01:56:52.239 I go into these ceremonies and if it wants to 2372 01:56:52.720 --> 01:56:54.720 and it starts to show me shadow, I used to 2373 01:56:54.720 --> 01:56:58.680 cut and run, but a teacher said, it's not happening 2374 01:56:58.720 --> 01:57:01.079 to you, it's happening for you. It's a communication. One 2375 01:57:01.119 --> 01:57:05.239 of our teachers, Cindy would say, it's like spiritual pictionary, 2376 01:57:05.640 --> 01:57:07.439 so you have to ask why they're showing it to 2377 01:57:07.600 --> 01:57:11.279 so they give us the negative thing. I'll give an example, 2378 01:57:12.119 --> 01:57:13.800 and this was one of the first times I was 2379 01:57:13.800 --> 01:57:16.880 able to get past this level of this work. It 2380 01:57:16.960 --> 01:57:20.159 was giving me like this like reptilian face, like growling 2381 01:57:20.199 --> 01:57:22.800 at me. And normally I'm like out and I start 2382 01:57:22.800 --> 01:57:27.039 doing any fucking spiritual shops. I'm like trying to close 2383 01:57:27.039 --> 01:57:29.680 it up and protect the space. But instead I just 2384 01:57:29.800 --> 01:57:32.079 sat in it and I faced it with courage. I 2385 01:57:32.199 --> 01:57:34.760 just like stared it down and I said, like, what 2386 01:57:34.880 --> 01:57:37.680 do you want with me? Like yeah, like what's up, bro, 2387 01:57:37.920 --> 01:57:42.720 Like you have problems? And instead it faded away, you know, 2388 01:57:42.920 --> 01:57:46.399 it shrunk and then it fanned its face out like 2389 01:57:46.439 --> 01:57:48.560 a clock, like different faces on a clock, and it 2390 01:57:48.600 --> 01:57:52.520 was like alien, reptilian like angelic it was, and it said, 2391 01:57:52.560 --> 01:57:55.920 we have many faces, and it went to one face, 2392 01:57:56.039 --> 01:57:57.800 white mask, and it said, but we are all the 2393 01:57:57.880 --> 01:58:02.640 ancient one. And after that, I said, okay, so now 2394 01:58:02.680 --> 01:58:05.880 I like face it more and I ask it questions 2395 01:58:05.960 --> 01:58:09.479 because it seems like sometimes it's almost like God is 2396 01:58:09.600 --> 01:58:12.520 giving you the stick instead of the carrot in this moment. 2397 01:58:12.560 --> 01:58:14.920 It's always there to teach you. That's always what it is. 2398 01:58:14.960 --> 01:58:17.159 It's always trying to teach you a lesson. You just 2399 01:58:17.199 --> 01:58:19.920 have to be willing enough to ask what's going on 2400 01:58:19.960 --> 01:58:22.279 and why it's showing you this, and also be willing 2401 01:58:22.319 --> 01:58:24.680 to change the thing that it's like presenting to you. 2402 01:58:24.840 --> 01:58:26.680 Yeah, and when you ask, it tends to become a 2403 01:58:26.720 --> 01:58:30.239 good thing. Like it's almost like it's almost like if 2404 01:58:30.279 --> 01:58:32.880 I was like, I'm trying to tell you a story 2405 01:58:32.920 --> 01:58:35.840 through images, and I showed you the beginning of the 2406 01:58:35.880 --> 01:58:38.039 movie that's a car crash, and you react to the 2407 01:58:38.079 --> 01:58:40.680 car crash and start going away where it's like, no, 2408 01:58:40.760 --> 01:58:42.800 this is a story about first there's a car crash, 2409 01:58:42.800 --> 01:58:44.479 and then this happens, and this happens, and I'm going 2410 01:58:44.520 --> 01:58:46.279 to get to the ending, which is what I'm trying 2411 01:58:46.279 --> 01:58:48.399 to tell you here That makes sense. 2412 01:58:49.319 --> 01:58:53.079 The oh my god, I love this kind of stuff, dude, 2413 01:58:53.399 --> 01:58:57.279 Like this is it's just the wildest thing. And it's like, 2414 01:58:57.760 --> 01:59:01.760 you know, it's something that has happened, like and it's 2415 01:59:01.760 --> 01:59:05.600 not just one person experiencing something off the wall. It's 2416 01:59:05.640 --> 01:59:10.920 like everybody is experiencing some version of this in these 2417 01:59:11.039 --> 01:59:15.439 other realms. Like however, you get there and it's like, man, 2418 01:59:15.520 --> 01:59:17.640 it's like it's almost like it's part of what it 2419 01:59:17.720 --> 01:59:20.840 means to be a human to have these kinds of experiences. 2420 01:59:21.119 --> 01:59:24.159 Yet people neglect them and just say that, oh, it's 2421 01:59:24.720 --> 01:59:27.560 it's it's just a psychedelic experience, that's all there is 2422 01:59:27.560 --> 01:59:31.319 to it. It's like, this isn't a movie that somebody produced, 2423 01:59:31.640 --> 01:59:35.000 Like this isn't some kind of production that somebody is 2424 01:59:35.039 --> 01:59:38.720 trying to tell me that it's reality. No, like, I'm here, 2425 01:59:38.920 --> 01:59:41.239 I'm mixed. You know, we're experiencing these kinds of things, 2426 01:59:41.239 --> 01:59:44.600 and they all may not seem to be the exact same. 2427 01:59:44.680 --> 01:59:47.399 I think that it's probably up to the individual and 2428 01:59:47.439 --> 01:59:51.800 how they interpret it from their perspective, But it seems 2429 01:59:51.840 --> 01:59:56.520 to be that everybody's kind of witnessing something that is rhyming. 2430 01:59:56.920 --> 02:00:01.960 And if that's not some level of some reality, then 2431 02:00:02.439 --> 02:00:06.079 why would everybody be experiencing something pretty similar to that. 2432 02:00:06.439 --> 02:00:08.600 You know, It's like if somebody said, oh, you know, 2433 02:00:08.800 --> 02:00:13.720 I I meditated and I saw, you know, this other 2434 02:00:13.880 --> 02:00:19.079 world where giraffes actually had elephant bodies and owls had 2435 02:00:19.359 --> 02:00:21.960 alligator bodies, and it's like you know, maybe you can 2436 02:00:22.000 --> 02:00:24.920 experience that, but for the most part, everybody is experiencing 2437 02:00:25.319 --> 02:00:28.760 something of what seems to be like of like a 2438 02:00:28.840 --> 02:00:31.720 higher consciousness that is there to teach you and there 2439 02:00:31.760 --> 02:00:33.920 to show you. And if it's not there to do that, 2440 02:00:33.960 --> 02:00:35.560 then it's there to scare the fuck out of you 2441 02:00:35.800 --> 02:00:37.600 and for you to go more internal and try and 2442 02:00:37.600 --> 02:00:39.920 figure out what that's all about. You know what It's like, 2443 02:00:40.000 --> 02:00:43.199 it's a very there's there's like two sides of all 2444 02:00:43.239 --> 02:00:46.279 of this, and it's all kind of kind of like 2445 02:00:46.319 --> 02:00:49.119 bringing you back to the center of wanting to discover 2446 02:00:49.279 --> 02:00:51.600 what the truth of that is. It's either you can 2447 02:00:51.640 --> 02:00:53.560 do that or you can live in fear and just say, 2448 02:00:53.600 --> 02:00:56.520 oh my god, this thing scared me and I never 2449 02:00:56.560 --> 02:00:59.159 want to experience that. And that's clearly you know, evil, 2450 02:00:59.199 --> 02:01:01.560 and that's demonic and that's satanic, and that's you know, 2451 02:01:01.640 --> 02:01:04.199 of the dark side. And I think that, you know, 2452 02:01:04.279 --> 02:01:07.520 at least from my experience, the dark side is always 2453 02:01:07.560 --> 02:01:10.760 a part of me as well as the light side 2454 02:01:10.800 --> 02:01:12.800 is a part of me. It's like, you know, we 2455 02:01:12.800 --> 02:01:16.439 we have this. You know, you had mentioned earlier about 2456 02:01:16.439 --> 02:01:19.279 the seven Hermetic principles about how you know we have 2457 02:01:19.479 --> 02:01:22.359 there's like certain laws of the universe, and there's like 2458 02:01:23.039 --> 02:01:26.159 certain like there's a balance. It seems that that there's 2459 02:01:26.279 --> 02:01:29.039 always some kind of balance, And I don't I don't know. 2460 02:01:29.239 --> 02:01:31.239 I mean, I'm still on my journey of trying and 2461 02:01:31.239 --> 02:01:33.640 figuring this all out. But dude, this is one of 2462 02:01:33.760 --> 02:01:37.359 the best schools. If being a human on earth is 2463 02:01:37.399 --> 02:01:41.119 a school, Holy shit, what a program that was built. 2464 02:01:42.159 --> 02:01:44.680 Talking about schools, and you said both of you are 2465 02:01:45.760 --> 02:01:48.359 I'm forgetting the exact terminology that y'all use, but you 2466 02:01:48.399 --> 02:01:52.439 said that you are either shamanically trained or you're in 2467 02:01:52.520 --> 02:01:56.119 training to become shamans, or you would you classify yourselves 2468 02:01:56.119 --> 02:01:56.760 as well. 2469 02:01:56.960 --> 02:02:01.640 We basically just are constantly learning. So we're we are students, 2470 02:02:01.680 --> 02:02:05.039 we have we are It's it's so there's this like 2471 02:02:05.199 --> 02:02:08.279 ancient there's this thing of calling like teach learn, right, 2472 02:02:08.359 --> 02:02:10.359 So in like the Book of One or the Law 2473 02:02:10.399 --> 02:02:12.399 of One, they talk about teach learn. So even if 2474 02:02:12.399 --> 02:02:14.199 you're teaching, you're learning, and when you're learning, you're still 2475 02:02:14.199 --> 02:02:16.119 you're teaching. It's it's a give and take, it's one 2476 02:02:16.119 --> 02:02:20.279 and the same. So we constantly are around like we 2477 02:02:20.399 --> 02:02:24.000 have friends that are masters and what they do in 2478 02:02:24.039 --> 02:02:27.640 different niches of these different practices from you know, the 2479 02:02:27.680 --> 02:02:32.079 shamanic arts to you know, plant medicine, to astral travel, 2480 02:02:32.119 --> 02:02:35.199 whatever it is. And we're constantly learning from them. And 2481 02:02:35.319 --> 02:02:37.520 so that is a practice of ours, is just always 2482 02:02:37.600 --> 02:02:40.399 learning and then taking what they've taught us and doing 2483 02:02:40.399 --> 02:02:41.640 in our daily practice. 2484 02:02:41.800 --> 02:02:45.439 So one one shaman is the word shanan means the 2485 02:02:45.479 --> 02:02:49.760 one who knows, and no person should ever call themselves 2486 02:02:49.760 --> 02:02:52.920 that other people can call it. It's just another construct. 2487 02:02:52.960 --> 02:02:54.359 It's just not a boxer, that's fair. 2488 02:02:54.800 --> 02:02:57.960 The reason why I ask is because especially these days, 2489 02:02:58.079 --> 02:03:03.079 we are hearing so many horror stories of these retreats 2490 02:03:03.640 --> 02:03:08.399 or experiences where this shaman will, you know, do the 2491 02:03:08.439 --> 02:03:11.239 procedures and do the ceremony and get somebody in a 2492 02:03:11.239 --> 02:03:14.079 psychedelic trance and then rob them and rape them. And 2493 02:03:14.159 --> 02:03:17.079 like there's thousands of these stories that are coming to 2494 02:03:17.159 --> 02:03:19.560 light these days in y'all's line of work and in 2495 02:03:19.640 --> 02:03:23.079 y'all's journey and experiences. Like you're saying, how much pushback 2496 02:03:23.119 --> 02:03:26.439 have y'all received from these types of stories, especially the 2497 02:03:26.479 --> 02:03:27.920 way the internet's go in these days. 2498 02:03:29.039 --> 02:03:32.439 I mean, one, I would say, in our personal experience, 2499 02:03:33.359 --> 02:03:35.760 we've only come across one that girl we sat with them. 2500 02:03:35.920 --> 02:03:39.640 Yeah, so add an experience like that, and usually usually 2501 02:03:39.920 --> 02:03:42.640 it's women that have these experiences when they go to 2502 02:03:42.680 --> 02:03:45.760 other countries, especially if they're going by themselves. But this 2503 02:03:45.880 --> 02:03:48.399 is also another reason why it's really really important for 2504 02:03:48.439 --> 02:03:50.720 these to become legal in the United States, so we 2505 02:03:50.800 --> 02:03:55.880 can have like facilities that are under watch and under 2506 02:03:55.920 --> 02:03:58.239 some sort of laws and stuff like that to be 2507 02:03:58.359 --> 02:04:01.520 able to create safe space is for women to come 2508 02:04:01.560 --> 02:04:04.399 to and men as well, but like a safe space 2509 02:04:04.439 --> 02:04:06.600 where people actually know what they're doing, that they have 2510 02:04:06.720 --> 02:04:09.880 the proper medicine that they're not just kind of you know, 2511 02:04:10.000 --> 02:04:13.039 cowboying it as we say, like it's it's really important. 2512 02:04:13.119 --> 02:04:16.720 This is a problem with criminalization, and this is this 2513 02:04:16.800 --> 02:04:20.119 is a byproduct of that in terms of like, yeah, 2514 02:04:20.159 --> 02:04:22.359 I mean like do people say shit to us Sometimes 2515 02:04:22.399 --> 02:04:24.720 not really, no one say shit to our faces, but 2516 02:04:24.760 --> 02:04:28.000 if they want to say shit, we get we get 2517 02:04:28.039 --> 02:04:32.680 different things from different different groups. The I think the 2518 02:04:33.159 --> 02:04:35.279 fact of the matter is it's a problem with criminalization. 2519 02:04:35.720 --> 02:04:39.359 And in terms of until it's completely legalized and mainstream 2520 02:04:39.479 --> 02:04:43.119 enough that there are more like standard protocols and you know, 2521 02:04:43.600 --> 02:04:47.279 practices that to protect against these type of things. One 2522 02:04:47.359 --> 02:04:50.720 thing I would say is do not sit with anyone 2523 02:04:50.840 --> 02:04:53.319 that is not a couple. You want a man and 2524 02:04:53.439 --> 02:04:56.520 a woman there who are a couple, a sysogy to 2525 02:04:56.680 --> 02:05:00.039 hold the space for a plethora era of reasons. The 2526 02:05:00.079 --> 02:05:03.319 biggest problem we're finding with this path these people, this 2527 02:05:03.479 --> 02:05:07.359 like this type of work is a distortion of narcissism 2528 02:05:07.560 --> 02:05:11.680 or a messiah complies so and this is not Again, 2529 02:05:11.720 --> 02:05:13.640 it's like it's really fucked up, Like I hate that. 2530 02:05:13.680 --> 02:05:15.960 We you know, oh, we'll see maybe it's a political 2531 02:05:16.000 --> 02:05:18.600 party or religious group or a certain type of person, 2532 02:05:18.720 --> 02:05:21.279 and we see the most extreme version and then immediately 2533 02:05:21.359 --> 02:05:23.479 we're just sort of like generalized like, oh, there's all 2534 02:05:23.520 --> 02:05:26.800 these people in that group. No, just that's because that's 2535 02:05:26.840 --> 02:05:30.039 conflict and drama, negativity that's going to go into your feed. 2536 02:05:30.439 --> 02:05:32.359 That's what the news is gonna cover, and then it's 2537 02:05:32.359 --> 02:05:35.039 going to create this thing. It's the bad Apple spoils 2538 02:05:35.039 --> 02:05:39.760 the bunch. But the one we do see that people die, 2539 02:05:40.239 --> 02:05:42.760 they merge with God. They feel like I just broke 2540 02:05:42.800 --> 02:05:45.239 out of the fucking matrix and merged with like an 2541 02:05:45.319 --> 02:05:49.279 angelic entity and you know, was healed or now have 2542 02:05:49.800 --> 02:05:54.000 the ability to help heal people. And your ego is sticky, 2543 02:05:54.039 --> 02:05:56.920 you're it will filter. Your ego is like an entity, dude, 2544 02:05:56.960 --> 02:05:59.520 it will transfer from what the entity the I'm sorry, 2545 02:05:59.560 --> 02:06:02.520 the ego you had then the identity you had before 2546 02:06:02.640 --> 02:06:08.920 those experiences, to a spiritual identity. And so the best 2547 02:06:08.920 --> 02:06:11.560 way to bypass that is make sure it's a man 2548 02:06:11.600 --> 02:06:15.479 and a woman the you know, working with It's important 2549 02:06:15.560 --> 02:06:18.039 like that. A lot of these tools and lineages of 2550 02:06:18.079 --> 02:06:21.640 working with these medicines come from indigenous groups. It's good 2551 02:06:21.720 --> 02:06:25.760 to go and go work directly with the indigenous people. Now, 2552 02:06:25.800 --> 02:06:28.880 with that said a bit, one of the things even 2553 02:06:28.920 --> 02:06:32.520 we do is translate the ancient teachings into modern terms 2554 02:06:32.560 --> 02:06:36.039 so people can understand them, and we can also bypass 2555 02:06:36.079 --> 02:06:39.039 certain maybe like blockages people have around this work. 2556 02:06:39.239 --> 02:06:42.319 Which so also if you like our friends who work 2557 02:06:42.439 --> 02:06:45.039 directly with the tribes, like they're there every single year, 2558 02:06:45.119 --> 02:06:47.359 they bring them here like they work with them all 2559 02:06:47.399 --> 02:06:50.279 the time. The thing is that a lot of these 2560 02:06:50.840 --> 02:06:54.359 tribes in the Amazon are realizing that it's time for 2561 02:06:54.399 --> 02:06:56.239 the western world to wake up. So they want to 2562 02:06:56.279 --> 02:06:59.000 share all of their wisdom with the western world because 2563 02:06:59.000 --> 02:07:01.119 they know that something has to happen. 2564 02:07:01.239 --> 02:07:03.520 Yeah, I mean they want to share, they're trying to 2565 02:07:03.960 --> 02:07:06.159 to bring this to us. Yes, you know, in as 2566 02:07:06.159 --> 02:07:08.840 many ways as possible. But like the truth of all 2567 02:07:08.880 --> 02:07:11.199 of this when it comes to us is like like 2568 02:07:11.279 --> 02:07:14.239 we're called acid for squares, so like it always with us, 2569 02:07:14.239 --> 02:07:18.399 it becomes about psychedelics. But that's not like the main 2570 02:07:18.640 --> 02:07:22.399 teaching for us. The main teaching is like for not teaching. 2571 02:07:22.640 --> 02:07:26.920 It's like the main mission i'd say, is around what 2572 02:07:26.960 --> 02:07:30.159 we call spiritual disclosure, which is a disclosure of the self. 2573 02:07:30.479 --> 02:07:32.800 It's there's so much shame, and there's so much trauma, 2574 02:07:32.840 --> 02:07:35.920 and there's so we're so segregated that we're not sharing 2575 02:07:35.960 --> 02:07:38.760 our own personal experiences like Jacob's experience he just shared 2576 02:07:38.800 --> 02:07:43.079 with us, especially across you know, across our different ideological 2577 02:07:43.119 --> 02:07:45.359 groups like we you know, it's a. 2578 02:07:45.359 --> 02:07:48.039 Oh I get shown by Christians for that story, like 2579 02:07:48.079 --> 02:07:50.319 the fact that I saw and spoke with an angel 2580 02:07:50.359 --> 02:07:52.800 and a demon. I have Christians that are coming to 2581 02:07:52.840 --> 02:07:54.520 me like, well, the only way an angel or a 2582 02:07:54.520 --> 02:07:56.880 demon would talk to you is if you were selected 2583 02:07:56.920 --> 02:07:58.640 by God to do dot dot dot. And I'm like, 2584 02:07:58.680 --> 02:08:02.479 first of all, who's saying not. Second of all, I'm sorry, 2585 02:08:02.520 --> 02:08:05.840 were you fucking there, bro, Like Okay, it's always like 2586 02:08:05.880 --> 02:08:09.239 you're you're dabbling, like you're dabbling into the occult and 2587 02:08:09.279 --> 02:08:12.039 that's what opened up that doorway or something. 2588 02:08:11.760 --> 02:08:11.960 You know. 2589 02:08:12.239 --> 02:08:15.560 Five and sixteen, I didn't want to experience any of 2590 02:08:15.560 --> 02:08:18.119 this shit, but yeah, I'm I'm the bad guy. Somehow 2591 02:08:18.199 --> 02:08:21.520 I deserve the judgment. It's fucking retarded, But just a listening. 2592 02:08:21.760 --> 02:08:24.399 This is also something that's like really really important for 2593 02:08:24.680 --> 02:08:28.279 like this our show is that we want to make 2594 02:08:28.319 --> 02:08:30.560 sure that the people that come on are teaching people 2595 02:08:30.560 --> 02:08:32.720 how to do this stuff themselves and say, you have 2596 02:08:32.800 --> 02:08:34.319 the power to do this, you have the power to 2597 02:08:34.359 --> 02:08:35.960 do this. I can show you how to do it 2598 02:08:36.000 --> 02:08:38.680 because I've studied forever. But the thing is is there's 2599 02:08:38.760 --> 02:08:42.000 no guru, there's no certain person that has all the answers. 2600 02:08:42.279 --> 02:08:44.960 It's like, no feel what feels right for you in 2601 02:08:45.000 --> 02:08:47.520 that moment, because wherever you're at on your journey can 2602 02:08:47.520 --> 02:08:48.840 be different where you're going to be out in ten 2603 02:08:48.920 --> 02:08:50.600 years from now. You might not be able to understand 2604 02:08:50.600 --> 02:08:52.239 some of the teachings right now, but in five years 2605 02:08:52.279 --> 02:08:54.119 from now you might be able to. And so you 2606 02:08:54.199 --> 02:08:56.520 have to do what feels right in that exact moment 2607 02:08:56.640 --> 02:08:58.319 for you as long as you're not hurting yourself or 2608 02:08:58.359 --> 02:09:01.880 hurting anybody else, like that's fine and learning that sort 2609 02:09:01.880 --> 02:09:04.359 of thing. And so all of the teachers we have 2610 02:09:04.439 --> 02:09:06.920 on the show is to show people you can do 2611 02:09:07.000 --> 02:09:09.800 it yourself. You don't need anybody else, and we're trying 2612 02:09:09.800 --> 02:09:12.760 to bypass the middleman and just have it directly from 2613 02:09:12.800 --> 02:09:15.319 like teacher to student and be like, go do it yourself. 2614 02:09:15.319 --> 02:09:18.319 It's your room directly with spirit and like Jacob, like 2615 02:09:18.439 --> 02:09:20.119 you know, like one of the one of the things 2616 02:09:20.119 --> 02:09:23.520 which is interesting, like because there's so much teachings like 2617 02:09:23.560 --> 02:09:25.960 we pull from the Bible, like we feel like like 2618 02:09:26.720 --> 02:09:30.000 all of Christ's teachings, like we are like absolute like 2619 02:09:30.079 --> 02:09:33.680 students of like and that type of those experiences have 2620 02:09:33.800 --> 02:09:37.600 come through our own personal journeys, right, But understand there 2621 02:09:37.600 --> 02:09:41.159 are certain people that have like religious adversions and religious traumas. 2622 02:09:41.199 --> 02:09:43.760 So like we you know, there's one of our teachers 2623 02:09:43.760 --> 02:09:46.159 would say there's no religion in the spirit world. I 2624 02:09:46.199 --> 02:09:49.239 know some people might disagree with that, but the idea 2625 02:09:49.239 --> 02:09:51.479 of the on the other side is we all this 2626 02:09:51.640 --> 02:09:55.359 is our birthright, that this these higher truths and these 2627 02:09:55.399 --> 02:09:59.560 direct experiences and bringing each other, into communion with each 2628 02:09:59.600 --> 02:10:02.439 other and into communion with this higher thing. That is 2629 02:10:02.479 --> 02:10:05.680 how we culturally take a step that you know, we 2630 02:10:05.680 --> 02:10:08.399 we evolve into a higher plateau of existence instead of 2631 02:10:08.479 --> 02:10:11.439 completely self destruct you know. And the only the only 2632 02:10:11.479 --> 02:10:14.479 other thing I'd say, which has been really so because 2633 02:10:14.520 --> 02:10:17.600 we also have this, we experience it in ourselves, we 2634 02:10:17.640 --> 02:10:21.319 experience it with you know. Now we have the whole 2635 02:10:21.359 --> 02:10:25.039 like social media guru like archetype, and it can kind 2636 02:10:25.039 --> 02:10:27.439 of make us cross our arms a little bit sometimes, 2637 02:10:27.479 --> 02:10:29.720 like it's almost like you got to ask before you 2638 02:10:29.720 --> 02:10:31.720 can receive something, and if someone just starts telling you 2639 02:10:31.720 --> 02:10:34.239 shit before you ask and be like, hey, I don't know. 2640 02:10:34.800 --> 02:10:39.079 So we focus on phenomenology we're interested in, like like Jacob, 2641 02:10:39.119 --> 02:10:43.479 your story, like experience your stories of personal experiences like 2642 02:10:43.800 --> 02:10:46.720 and then just pulling it apart, like being like like 2643 02:10:46.960 --> 02:10:49.960 tell it beat for beat what happened to you and 2644 02:10:50.000 --> 02:10:52.840 then like instead of in creating a safe space for that. 2645 02:10:52.880 --> 02:10:55.079 And we feel like that's what you two do as well, 2646 02:10:55.159 --> 02:10:57.399 like and that's why we're like, we love what you 2647 02:10:57.399 --> 02:10:59.840 two are doing. We feel like you're having the com 2648 02:11:00.000 --> 02:11:03.239 cosa instead of like it's brought up and it's like, no, no, no, 2649 02:11:03.600 --> 02:11:05.640 we can't have that. That doesn't fit in the Overton 2650 02:11:05.680 --> 02:11:09.079 window of what socially accepted, you know, nomenclature to use 2651 02:11:09.199 --> 02:11:12.039 or conversation to have, like and that's that's all this is. 2652 02:11:12.039 --> 02:11:16.239 We're just stretching the cultural conversation and that's it. That's 2653 02:11:16.239 --> 02:11:16.840 all we can do. 2654 02:11:17.159 --> 02:11:19.239 Yea, Why to hear that be all's answer? Because I 2655 02:11:19.239 --> 02:11:22.079 forget if it was like a vice thing or whatever 2656 02:11:22.119 --> 02:11:25.439 it was. But this reporter went to an Aahuascar retreat, 2657 02:11:25.640 --> 02:11:29.680 had an amazing experience, as one does, and uh, after 2658 02:11:29.760 --> 02:11:31.239 the fact, the next day or I think maybe a 2659 02:11:31.279 --> 02:11:33.600 day or two after, was talking to the group and 2660 02:11:33.640 --> 02:11:35.760 brought up some of these negative things that we're hearing 2661 02:11:35.800 --> 02:11:39.000 about from these quote unquote shamanic retreats. Okay, I know 2662 02:11:39.039 --> 02:11:40.960 that there's a bunch of them out there doing things 2663 02:11:41.000 --> 02:11:43.560 the right way, and all of it's documented and certified 2664 02:11:43.600 --> 02:11:45.760 and circumcised and all the shit, right, cool, cool, cool, 2665 02:11:46.119 --> 02:11:49.720 But she asked about, uh, what about these experiences the 2666 02:11:50.119 --> 02:11:54.079 shaman of that group basically victim blamed and was like, well, 2667 02:11:54.119 --> 02:11:56.239 I mean it's a part of her journey and if yeah, 2668 02:11:56.319 --> 02:11:59.279 it's not, it's not it's unfortunate that she was preyed 2669 02:11:59.359 --> 02:12:01.319 upon in her vulnerable state, but that was a part 2670 02:12:01.359 --> 02:12:03.319 of her life journey to have that happen. I mean, 2671 02:12:03.600 --> 02:12:05.439 that's just kind of how it goes. Sometimes. If you 2672 02:12:05.439 --> 02:12:08.239 go into a cave and twist your ankle in the cave, 2673 02:12:08.279 --> 02:12:10.000 do you blame the cave's fault? You're the one that 2674 02:12:10.039 --> 02:12:12.560 went into cave in the first place. And it's like, oh, 2675 02:12:12.640 --> 02:12:15.479 big dog, ooh, that is the wrong approach. Yeah, some 2676 02:12:15.560 --> 02:12:18.319 Brazilian guy. I don't fucking know, but I'm very glad 2677 02:12:18.359 --> 02:12:21.000 to hear that this is y'all's experiences in y'all's response 2678 02:12:21.039 --> 02:12:21.920 to that, for sure. 2679 02:12:22.199 --> 02:12:25.680 Dude, I mean, that's that's messed up. And like, yeah, 2680 02:12:25.760 --> 02:12:31.159 with any of this sort of whatever, whenever you're talking 2681 02:12:31.159 --> 02:12:33.920 about like sort of these spirits, I don't even know 2682 02:12:33.920 --> 02:12:36.560 what you want to call it, the spiritualities, communities, whatever, this, 2683 02:12:37.319 --> 02:12:40.039 there's a lot of like, look, in a world of illusion, 2684 02:12:40.079 --> 02:12:43.399 it only begets more illusion, you know, I mean where 2685 02:12:43.840 --> 02:12:45.439 you know what I mean, we're working with sort of 2686 02:12:45.439 --> 02:12:50.800 like a like not not the best like tools of 2687 02:12:50.840 --> 02:12:54.079 community communicating all this. But the one thing I'd say 2688 02:12:54.159 --> 02:12:58.399 is that we find a lot of uh, spiritual gaslighting 2689 02:12:58.520 --> 02:13:01.760 happening from people, and it's really important that we hear 2690 02:13:01.800 --> 02:13:05.199 each other and take accountability and not and you know, 2691 02:13:05.319 --> 02:13:07.439 and listen to each other. And I just think it's 2692 02:13:07.479 --> 02:13:09.560 really important. The only other thing I'd say, and I 2693 02:13:09.560 --> 02:13:11.640 think Tanya has a story around, like the vice of 2694 02:13:11.680 --> 02:13:18.279 it all is we're directors, we're in media, and one 2695 02:13:18.279 --> 02:13:21.000 of the problems that we've realized and we were essentially 2696 02:13:21.039 --> 02:13:23.880 trained to essentially pray on the rectilian part of the brain. 2697 02:13:24.239 --> 02:13:29.840 It's all sex survival fear, because that is the easiest 2698 02:13:29.840 --> 02:13:32.720 way to hook into the psyche of the individual. 2699 02:13:32.520 --> 02:13:36.239 Sex man and true every time sex will sell. 2700 02:13:36.479 --> 02:13:39.560 So when we realize that, we said, oh shit, we 2701 02:13:39.600 --> 02:13:43.399 are praying on the cultural consciousness of humanity with the 2702 02:13:43.439 --> 02:13:46.359 shit we're trying to do because and without even realizing it, 2703 02:13:46.399 --> 02:13:48.199 we just think, oh, we're making a horror thing, like 2704 02:13:48.199 --> 02:13:50.600 are this but and like it's nothing wrong with that, 2705 02:13:51.000 --> 02:13:55.039 But understanding that the news, the media, they're always going 2706 02:13:55.079 --> 02:13:58.439 to go towards that singular percentage and they're going to 2707 02:13:58.520 --> 02:14:01.159 go to the negative. Oh, here's the appropriation from the 2708 02:14:01.199 --> 02:14:04.520 Western culture of these things. And they're doing it dangerously 2709 02:14:04.560 --> 02:14:07.600 and they're unaccredited, and there's the sexual assault. Does this 2710 02:14:07.720 --> 02:14:11.000 exist yes? Is it such a small percentile? Yes? And 2711 02:14:11.039 --> 02:14:13.560 the only is it okay? No? And this is why 2712 02:14:13.560 --> 02:14:16.039 it needs to be legalized, why there need to be protections, 2713 02:14:16.039 --> 02:14:20.600 why it needs to be be Essentially, I guess the 2714 02:14:20.680 --> 02:14:23.479 term would be like it disinfected by the light of 2715 02:14:23.600 --> 02:14:26.560 day instead of pushed into the underground, so a confessor 2716 02:14:26.600 --> 02:14:28.640 and rot and these problems can come about, you know. 2717 02:14:29.159 --> 02:14:32.079 Yeah, with that being said, Jonathan, you had a question 2718 02:14:32.119 --> 02:14:33.920 you were about to pipe in on, but as we're 2719 02:14:33.920 --> 02:14:36.039 talking about natural things, I had another question for him. 2720 02:14:36.479 --> 02:14:37.960 I go ahead. I forgot what it was. 2721 02:14:38.520 --> 02:14:40.319 Okay, I'm sorry. I didn't mean to cut your legs 2722 02:14:40.319 --> 02:14:40.640 out from her. 2723 02:14:40.720 --> 02:14:43.439 No, No, I was mom aged. No, y'all are great. 2724 02:14:43.479 --> 02:14:46.760 I'm just I feel like I'm just kind of watching 2725 02:14:46.800 --> 02:14:48.399 a show and a part of the show, and I 2726 02:14:48.399 --> 02:14:50.159 have to remind myself that I'm in this, that I'm 2727 02:14:50.199 --> 02:14:54.039 not just watching it. So I love these Before we started, bro, No, 2728 02:14:54.079 --> 02:14:55.960 but these are my favorite kind of conversations because I 2729 02:14:56.039 --> 02:14:58.960 just feel like so fully immersed. This is my shit. 2730 02:14:59.199 --> 02:15:00.880 I love talking about these guys. 2731 02:15:00.720 --> 02:15:04.079 Are awesome, like you fucking throw down, like I mean, 2732 02:15:04.159 --> 02:15:06.399 you're pushing this way deep. We never talk about this 2733 02:15:06.399 --> 02:15:07.720 shit fuck awesome. 2734 02:15:07.880 --> 02:15:09.319 So then let me ask you this too. We're talking 2735 02:15:09.359 --> 02:15:11.279 about if it grows, it goes, right. We don't need 2736 02:15:11.319 --> 02:15:14.159 the chemical components made in a lab somewhere to mimic 2737 02:15:14.279 --> 02:15:16.920 what nature can provide naturally, right, I think we can 2738 02:15:16.960 --> 02:15:20.119 all where they're talking pharmaceuticals, where we're talking psychedelics, whatever 2739 02:15:20.119 --> 02:15:22.520 the case is, we don't need that. We would prefer 2740 02:15:22.560 --> 02:15:26.920 the natural source. What is y'all's take on cocaine? Now? 2741 02:15:27.079 --> 02:15:29.560 The reason why I ask this is because coca all right, 2742 02:15:29.600 --> 02:15:31.319 from the coca tree is a or a bush, I 2743 02:15:31.319 --> 02:15:34.359 should say, is a natural source, and people in all 2744 02:15:34.399 --> 02:15:36.600 over South America use it to make coca t for 2745 02:15:36.800 --> 02:15:39.720 medicinal purposes. That being the case, you can also take 2746 02:15:39.760 --> 02:15:41.479 a couple of chemicals and cook it down and now 2747 02:15:41.520 --> 02:15:44.479 you have pure cocaine. Some people say that this is 2748 02:15:44.520 --> 02:15:47.520 a spiritual plant because it does come from a natural source. 2749 02:15:47.880 --> 02:15:51.039 Some people say that this is the devil incarnate because 2750 02:15:51.039 --> 02:15:53.239 they are the type that lets things ruin their lives, 2751 02:15:53.319 --> 02:15:55.319 and so you know, it's in that weird gray area. 2752 02:15:55.720 --> 02:15:58.039 I've heard the same thing to be said about psychedelics. Right, 2753 02:15:58.119 --> 02:16:01.279 Certain people let mushrooms run them and they ruin their 2754 02:16:01.279 --> 02:16:04.319 lives because they develop a habit even though it's non 2755 02:16:04.319 --> 02:16:06.920 habit forming. And we all agree on that. People will 2756 02:16:06.960 --> 02:16:09.439 do it every day, all day to a point to 2757 02:16:09.439 --> 02:16:11.920 where they can't disassociate and they don't even know how 2758 02:16:11.920 --> 02:16:15.960 to live sober. So it becomes a problem. But alcohol 2759 02:16:16.000 --> 02:16:18.840 would have become their problem. Weed would have become their problem. 2760 02:16:18.880 --> 02:16:21.760 It didn't matter. Right, So as far as the plant 2761 02:16:21.840 --> 02:16:26.239 itself of the coca bush versus coca c versus cocaine, 2762 02:16:26.279 --> 02:16:29.000 where do y'all with y'all's alignment in this realm? Where 2763 02:16:29.000 --> 02:16:29.520 does it fall? 2764 02:16:29.920 --> 02:16:33.959 Okay? So, if you look at LSD, LSD comes from ergot, right, 2765 02:16:34.120 --> 02:16:37.520 is a plant derivative. If you look at cocaine, it 2766 02:16:37.559 --> 02:16:39.959 comes from a plant derivative. The problem is that it 2767 02:16:40.040 --> 02:16:43.159 is literally created in a lab using chemical extraction and 2768 02:16:43.200 --> 02:16:46.319 then it completely takes the spirit out of the planet. 2769 02:16:46.360 --> 02:16:49.399 And the reasoning for that is you cannot patent nature. Yes, 2770 02:16:49.559 --> 02:16:53.680 so essentially the pharmaceutical companies have to essentially mimic the 2771 02:16:53.760 --> 02:16:55.959 compounds so they can patent it and profit off of 2772 02:16:56.000 --> 02:16:57.399 it with the pharmaceutical model. 2773 02:16:57.440 --> 02:17:00.200 But there's also. But so the thing that you're talking 2774 02:17:00.239 --> 02:17:04.600 about with where cocaine comes from and how people use it, 2775 02:17:04.840 --> 02:17:08.520 so it's actually maca, macha maca. 2776 02:17:08.520 --> 02:17:11.120 I don't know. I think that's different. It's the coca leaf. 2777 02:17:11.200 --> 02:17:12.719 It's coca leaf. No, it's the same thing. 2778 02:17:12.760 --> 02:17:13.719 But that's what he's saying. 2779 02:17:13.760 --> 02:17:15.399 So, yeah, so there's this stuff. 2780 02:17:15.879 --> 02:17:18.040 The word I see the word you're talking about. I 2781 02:17:18.040 --> 02:17:19.799 don't know how to pronounce it either. But we're talking 2782 02:17:19.799 --> 02:17:21.280 about the tea basically correct. 2783 02:17:21.319 --> 02:17:24.280 Well, they have this powder that is, isn't it it's 2784 02:17:24.319 --> 02:17:27.719 the leaf. It's a cocoa. No, it is, but anyways, 2785 02:17:27.879 --> 02:17:30.360 it doesn't matter. It is a It is the same 2786 02:17:30.479 --> 02:17:34.319 thing that cocaine comes from. But it's it's the plant itself, 2787 02:17:34.440 --> 02:17:37.520 literally just ground into a powder and people put in 2788 02:17:37.680 --> 02:17:39.239 their gums right here. 2789 02:17:39.159 --> 02:17:41.319 In order to straight gum in it man gum in 2790 02:17:41.399 --> 02:17:42.040 the herbs. 2791 02:17:42.360 --> 02:17:44.719 Yeah, for for energy. But the thing is is it's 2792 02:17:44.719 --> 02:17:48.879 it's the actual plant. It's not a chemical derivative which 2793 02:17:49.000 --> 02:17:52.000 is like cut and made with all this other stuff. 2794 02:17:52.079 --> 02:17:55.680 It's like like cocaine is like meth. It's like the 2795 02:17:55.760 --> 02:17:57.840 same sort of thing. It's made in a lab. It's 2796 02:17:57.920 --> 02:18:00.440 not like you're just like he has this plant like whatever. 2797 02:18:00.479 --> 02:18:02.760 You know, it's like a little bit different. 2798 02:18:03.000 --> 02:18:04.639 Yeah, I mean, there's a couple things also to say 2799 02:18:04.639 --> 02:18:06.879 about it. One is like the shamanic perspective. They would 2800 02:18:06.879 --> 02:18:09.879 say that there is essentially a spirit to it, like 2801 02:18:09.959 --> 02:18:14.360 everything has an energy matrix, a frequency to it. That 2802 02:18:14.520 --> 02:18:16.840 is what they call a spirit. And they say that 2803 02:18:16.920 --> 02:18:19.600 when you're putting into a lab that you're essentially stripping 2804 02:18:19.760 --> 02:18:22.959 the spirit from the physical and that is almost like 2805 02:18:23.040 --> 02:18:25.680 the metaphor for the problem of what's happening in this world. 2806 02:18:25.719 --> 02:18:28.600 We're sort of extracting the spiritual essence from the physical 2807 02:18:28.639 --> 02:18:31.840 experience where nothing is sacred, and that's what's put us 2808 02:18:31.840 --> 02:18:34.120 on this hedonic treadmill of people. Some people call it 2809 02:18:34.159 --> 02:18:37.440 sin illusion. That's why we're sort of trapped in this 2810 02:18:37.600 --> 02:18:43.840 matrix because we're divesting the spiritual nature of reality from itself. 2811 02:18:43.920 --> 02:18:45.719 It's even if like you take an apple, right, if 2812 02:18:45.760 --> 02:18:48.239 you're juicing apples all the time, you're getting pure sugar, 2813 02:18:48.600 --> 02:18:50.639 like it's not good. But if you're eating an apple, 2814 02:18:50.639 --> 02:18:52.680 you're getting the fiber and everything else that comes with 2815 02:18:52.719 --> 02:18:55.600 the apple, because the apple itself is a perfect creation. 2816 02:18:56.120 --> 02:18:58.520 But once you the more you start extracting, and the 2817 02:18:58.520 --> 02:19:01.840 more you start changing it, it loses its pure value 2818 02:19:01.840 --> 02:19:03.120 and can actually become harmful. 2819 02:19:03.200 --> 02:19:05.440 Yeah, and I think from our perspective on this, it 2820 02:19:05.479 --> 02:19:10.200 can be made very very very simple. It's anything can 2821 02:19:10.239 --> 02:19:16.920 be a medicine or a poison. It's all about dosage, quality, frequency, 2822 02:19:17.159 --> 02:19:17.760 and intention. 2823 02:19:18.159 --> 02:19:19.920 Water can kill you much of it. 2824 02:19:20.040 --> 02:19:23.719 So it's and then to go a bit further is 2825 02:19:23.879 --> 02:19:27.440 that if we're talking about I don't think I mean 2826 02:19:27.479 --> 02:19:31.479 this is like some hardcore like spiritual shit, but like 2827 02:19:31.799 --> 02:19:36.079 we don't know if it's when you're working with these tools. 2828 02:19:36.200 --> 02:19:38.239 And maybe maybe. 2829 02:19:37.959 --> 02:19:39.760 This is wrong, but I'm miss saying anyways. I mean, 2830 02:19:39.799 --> 02:19:44.520 you know, we're just we're students here. We will always 2831 02:19:44.520 --> 02:19:47.159 be students, and we are never gonna just be like 2832 02:19:47.239 --> 02:19:48.959 set it and forget it with a belief system or 2833 02:19:49.000 --> 02:19:51.319 our thoughts. We are always learning. When it comes to 2834 02:19:51.399 --> 02:19:55.479 all these tools, I think that they are like step ladders, 2835 02:19:55.879 --> 02:19:58.959 and that they are they call them teacher plants if 2836 02:19:59.000 --> 02:20:02.079 you're using it that way, and they're to be disregarded, 2837 02:20:02.159 --> 02:20:04.040 not to be used forever. And we don't know if 2838 02:20:04.040 --> 02:20:08.319 this is an illusory world using a material thing always 2839 02:20:08.360 --> 02:20:09.879 is ever going to be that thing. Yes we need 2840 02:20:09.920 --> 02:20:12.120 to eat, Yes we need water, Yes we but a 2841 02:20:12.239 --> 02:20:15.440 spiritual thing. I don't know. I'm not one hundred percent 2842 02:20:15.479 --> 02:20:17.239 said on that, but I guess the point is is 2843 02:20:17.280 --> 02:20:22.280 like this can be dangerous. Everything can be dangerous. I 2844 02:20:22.319 --> 02:20:27.479 think when you're using anything to escape pain or discomfort, 2845 02:20:28.040 --> 02:20:31.920 when pain and discomfort and suffering is a fundamental teacher 2846 02:20:31.959 --> 02:20:35.760 of this reality. It is the tool Love is pulling 2847 02:20:35.760 --> 02:20:38.120 you forward, and pain is the spear in the back. 2848 02:20:38.200 --> 02:20:40.040 It's like the pressure of the diamond, right, you need 2849 02:20:40.079 --> 02:20:42.639 all the pressure in order to create the diamond. We 2850 02:20:42.799 --> 02:20:45.280 need the pain and the suffering in order to get 2851 02:20:45.360 --> 02:20:48.159 us to move past into the next chapter and the 2852 02:20:48.159 --> 02:20:49.159 next level of ourselves. 2853 02:20:49.239 --> 02:20:51.920 If your emotions, your spiritual compass in this reality, and 2854 02:20:51.959 --> 02:20:54.239 you're trying to figure this shit out, and you keep 2855 02:20:54.280 --> 02:20:57.760 fucking getting your compass fucking high and it's just right, 2856 02:20:57.959 --> 02:20:59.920 just to make it keep going due north, you'll eventually 2857 02:21:00.079 --> 02:21:01.920 gonna be let as strain. You're gonna wind up somewhere 2858 02:21:01.920 --> 02:21:03.799 like how the fuck did I get here? You know? 2859 02:21:04.120 --> 02:21:07.079 It's like if you so so, it's when it comes 2860 02:21:07.079 --> 02:21:09.399 to cocaine. No, we don't use cocaine. When it do 2861 02:21:09.440 --> 02:21:11.239 we think that some people use it as a plant. 2862 02:21:11.280 --> 02:21:13.280 We think everyone should have their free will to do whatever. 2863 02:21:13.479 --> 02:21:17.200 We think everything should be essentially regulated so it's not dangerous, 2864 02:21:17.200 --> 02:21:21.159 so it doesn't hurt people. We don't want children doing cocaine. 2865 02:21:21.200 --> 02:21:23.319 We don't use cocaine. We don't view it the same. 2866 02:21:23.360 --> 02:21:25.760 But yes, we know Indigenous communities on the leaves while 2867 02:21:25.799 --> 02:21:26.239 they hunt. 2868 02:21:26.280 --> 02:21:28.040 You know, right, I was gonna say now, as they're 2869 02:21:28.040 --> 02:21:30.079 talking about like children don't use it. And again, I've 2870 02:21:30.079 --> 02:21:32.200 never heard of someone having their life wrecked because of 2871 02:21:32.239 --> 02:21:35.239 coca tea. Right now, I have heard of countless stories 2872 02:21:35.239 --> 02:21:37.959 of people having their shit wrecked through cocaine usage, not 2873 02:21:38.040 --> 02:21:40.959 once the prolonged usage and things. But like talking about 2874 02:21:41.000 --> 02:21:43.239 children for ins, and certain Native American tribes, even the 2875 02:21:43.879 --> 02:21:47.000 NAC the Native American Church, they use peyote in their 2876 02:21:47.120 --> 02:21:49.920 rituals and they even give spoonfuls to children in the 2877 02:21:50.000 --> 02:21:52.120 hut as a part of it all. Now, I am 2878 02:21:52.120 --> 02:21:53.920 not saying that we should all be drugging our children. 2879 02:21:53.920 --> 02:21:57.520 There's cultural significant reasons why they do this. But in 2880 02:21:57.559 --> 02:22:00.239 that same way, they give coca tea to children and 2881 02:22:00.280 --> 02:22:03.479 in South American cultures, and like that's not bad but 2882 02:22:03.559 --> 02:22:06.319 I agree cocaine is more or less like the the 2883 02:22:06.479 --> 02:22:09.120 chemicals stripping down and to get the purest form of 2884 02:22:09.120 --> 02:22:11.360 the derivative, and I feel like it kind of loses 2885 02:22:11.520 --> 02:22:14.239 its its spirituality in that sense. The same could be 2886 02:22:14.239 --> 02:22:17.000 set for tobacco. For the for instance, Native American tribe 2887 02:22:17.000 --> 02:22:19.719 salt tobacco is a spiritual plant. They would use it 2888 02:22:19.760 --> 02:22:22.440 in spiritual ceremonies. But when you strip that down to 2889 02:22:22.440 --> 02:22:24.959 get the purest of nicotine, you know you'd lost so 2890 02:22:25.120 --> 02:22:27.000 much of what was supposed to be there. Well, that 2891 02:22:27.040 --> 02:22:29.200 also can be set for spraying it with the pesticides 2892 02:22:29.399 --> 02:22:31.799 in our modern cigarettes as well. We're losing the fucking 2893 02:22:31.879 --> 02:22:32.360 essence there. 2894 02:22:32.360 --> 02:22:33.399 Well, that kind of does. 2895 02:22:33.559 --> 02:22:37.719 We're adding chemicals. So in cigarettes, you're adding chemicals to it. 2896 02:22:37.719 --> 02:22:40.120 It's the same thing cocaine coming from its puris firm, 2897 02:22:40.159 --> 02:22:42.799 you're adding chemicals. So chemicals are never going to be 2898 02:22:42.840 --> 02:22:45.559 good for our body. We're spaying in pesticides on our food. 2899 02:22:45.840 --> 02:22:48.040 It's not good. You're supposed to eat organic, like that's 2900 02:22:48.040 --> 02:22:50.280 going to be the best food for you. Like anytime 2901 02:22:50.319 --> 02:22:54.959 there's a chemical that's extracting or changing the plant itself, 2902 02:22:55.040 --> 02:22:56.639 it's not going to be positive. A lot of our 2903 02:22:56.680 --> 02:23:00.520 pharmaceuticals come from a plant derivative but then are changed 2904 02:23:00.520 --> 02:23:02.719 into something else, which can cause side effects in US. 2905 02:23:02.920 --> 02:23:06.200 So it really is like it's purest form, is the best. 2906 02:23:06.040 --> 02:23:08.120 Pat way and the kids. By the way, there is 2907 02:23:08.399 --> 02:23:12.479 certaint with utopian tribes in the Amazon that baptize their 2908 02:23:12.520 --> 02:23:16.959 babies with ayahuasca. Mothers sit pregnant with ayahuasca. They you know, 2909 02:23:17.079 --> 02:23:19.879 like there's the kids as young as they choose can 2910 02:23:19.920 --> 02:23:22.120 sit in those ceremonies. And we don't believe that those 2911 02:23:22.159 --> 02:23:25.159 plants are detrimental. I don't know how legally we can 2912 02:23:25.200 --> 02:23:27.639 say that publicly, but I mean, the fact of the 2913 02:23:27.639 --> 02:23:30.280 matter is we don't understand it. It's not studied. It's 2914 02:23:30.280 --> 02:23:32.680 the closest thing to a real medicine we've ever come across. 2915 02:23:32.879 --> 02:23:35.000 It's some hardcore shit. It's not a walk in the park, 2916 02:23:35.040 --> 02:23:37.879 and you can't use it really to get high, but 2917 02:23:38.000 --> 02:23:40.760 you can use it at too much of a frequency 2918 02:23:40.799 --> 02:23:44.159 where you're not integrating and you're essentially like avoiding the 2919 02:23:44.479 --> 02:23:46.040 earth thing. I'm sorry, johndn't want to say. 2920 02:23:46.799 --> 02:23:49.079 Oh yeah, I was just gonna say, you know, as 2921 02:23:49.120 --> 02:23:52.239 far as breaking things down and then bringing them into 2922 02:23:52.280 --> 02:23:56.040 a lab and extracting certain components from it. That is, 2923 02:23:56.159 --> 02:24:00.920 that goes against every single like alchemical that there is, 2924 02:24:00.959 --> 02:24:03.360 because you know, it's like the idea of turning lead 2925 02:24:03.399 --> 02:24:06.159 into gold. The idea behind that is, you know, it's 2926 02:24:06.200 --> 02:24:08.920 behind like the what is it the Philosopher's stone or 2927 02:24:08.959 --> 02:24:14.360 something like that, right where basically you're trying to gain 2928 02:24:14.399 --> 02:24:18.600 immortality if I understand it correctly, that you're trying to 2929 02:24:18.680 --> 02:24:20.920 take that lead, you know, the idea of turning lead 2930 02:24:20.959 --> 02:24:25.959 to gold. You're trying to essentially not extract the essence 2931 02:24:26.719 --> 02:24:29.680 in a sense, but like you're you're trying to like 2932 02:24:29.840 --> 02:24:34.000 take the like transform the energy of the lead into 2933 02:24:34.120 --> 02:24:36.239 the energy of the gold. And so it's like the 2934 02:24:36.280 --> 02:24:39.719 spiritual essence of it that you're trying to like kind 2935 02:24:39.760 --> 02:24:42.239 of create there if I'm if I understand that right. 2936 02:24:42.920 --> 02:24:47.079 That's interesting. So because your your alchemy is turning suffering 2937 02:24:47.120 --> 02:24:49.879 into enlightenment. That's the spiritual meaning. So, but what you're 2938 02:24:49.920 --> 02:24:52.959 describing is actually the inversion of spiritual alchemy of suffering 2939 02:24:52.959 --> 02:24:57.399 to enlightenment. You're you're essentially turning so you're trying to 2940 02:24:57.680 --> 02:25:03.200 avoid the suffering through essentially a physical stimulant or a 2941 02:25:03.200 --> 02:25:08.200 physical like uh, like just anything like a drug to 2942 02:25:08.440 --> 02:25:11.280 essentially pull you away. Like that's why anything that's like 2943 02:25:11.280 --> 02:25:13.360 a medicine like this, it's supposed to push you through. 2944 02:25:13.840 --> 02:25:17.159 Uh one percent, dude, Because you know, I'm somebody, and 2945 02:25:17.200 --> 02:25:19.360 I know that everybody has their own opinions on this. 2946 02:25:19.520 --> 02:25:21.760 I don't. I didn't vaccinate my baby my baby's two 2947 02:25:21.799 --> 02:25:24.600 and a half years old, because I don't. I don't 2948 02:25:24.639 --> 02:25:26.559 know what are in you know, I don't know what 2949 02:25:26.680 --> 02:25:28.799 chemicals and what kind of drugs that they're shooting your 2950 02:25:28.799 --> 02:25:31.559 baby up on literally hours after birth. Like I don't. 2951 02:25:31.760 --> 02:25:33.879 I don't trust that, And honestly, like COVID made me 2952 02:25:33.959 --> 02:25:36.280 question all that shit. So thank god for COVID. I 2953 02:25:36.319 --> 02:25:38.319 look at it. I look at it that way, you know, 2954 02:25:38.479 --> 02:25:41.280 but nobody questions that. As a matter of fact, you're 2955 02:25:41.319 --> 02:25:44.760 actually like deemed a looney tune if you don't vaccinate 2956 02:25:44.799 --> 02:25:48.319 your kid. Meanwhile, everybody that gets their kids vaccinated, most 2957 02:25:48.360 --> 02:25:51.799 of everybody, have no fucking clue about what the ingredients 2958 02:25:51.840 --> 02:25:55.159 are in those damn poisons that they're injecting you. I mean, 2959 02:25:55.200 --> 02:26:00.399 think about it, Like the idea of autism raising exponentially 2960 02:26:00.520 --> 02:26:03.559 over the last twenty five thirty years and oh it 2961 02:26:03.719 --> 02:26:06.520 seems to correlate with all these different vaccines that we're 2962 02:26:06.520 --> 02:26:08.959 giving these babies upon their birth. And you know, so 2963 02:26:09.200 --> 02:26:11.440 I'm I'm very against that kind of stuff. But what's 2964 02:26:11.520 --> 02:26:13.920 very interesting is, you know, you had mentioned about how 2965 02:26:14.000 --> 02:26:16.440 what was it like the babies in the Amazon basically 2966 02:26:16.479 --> 02:26:18.600 doing ayahuasca. I never heard of that. That's pretty awesome. 2967 02:26:18.840 --> 02:26:21.120 But we look at ayahuasca as if it's a drug, 2968 02:26:21.159 --> 02:26:23.200 but we don't look at vaccines as if they're harmful 2969 02:26:23.280 --> 02:26:25.879 drugs that are going into babies. So it's just weird 2970 02:26:25.920 --> 02:26:29.639 that that social programming that we have that where this 2971 02:26:29.760 --> 02:26:33.280 drug is okay and perfectly acceptable, whereas this drug, oh well, 2972 02:26:33.280 --> 02:26:35.799 this is a psychedelic thing. We wouldn't want to give 2973 02:26:35.840 --> 02:26:38.360 that to our kid, and that's a drug. It's like meanwhile, 2974 02:26:39.040 --> 02:26:42.959 like we give our kids like cocoa pebbles and you know, 2975 02:26:43.079 --> 02:26:47.079 tricks for kids, and like the sugar is a drug, 2976 02:26:47.280 --> 02:26:49.239 you know, And it's like people wonder why all their 2977 02:26:49.319 --> 02:26:52.079 kids are like EIGHTYHD like crazy. It's like, look at 2978 02:26:52.120 --> 02:26:54.239 all the processed sugar you're giving them, Like, how is 2979 02:26:54.319 --> 02:26:57.440 that not outlawed? But for some reason, whenever you have 2980 02:26:57.600 --> 02:27:00.440 some kind of spiritual experience. Just because you just happened 2981 02:27:00.440 --> 02:27:03.920 to light up a plant and smoke it, you know 2982 02:27:04.360 --> 02:27:06.959 that now you're a drug addict or now you're doing 2983 02:27:07.000 --> 02:27:09.440 something negative, and that is I guess the point that 2984 02:27:09.440 --> 02:27:13.159 I'm trying to make is it's the misunderstanding and the 2985 02:27:13.200 --> 02:27:18.399 social programming that have been kind of like put onto 2986 02:27:18.559 --> 02:27:20.799 us to believe that certain things are bad and certain 2987 02:27:20.840 --> 02:27:23.959 things are good only because you know, there's been some 2988 02:27:24.079 --> 02:27:28.959 kind of spin from the media, from the schools, from whatever, however. 2989 02:27:29.159 --> 02:27:32.319 You know, we were taught these things. It's just I 2990 02:27:32.360 --> 02:27:35.239 think it's so important to do your own research and 2991 02:27:35.280 --> 02:27:38.040 figure these things out for yourself, because if you don't, 2992 02:27:38.079 --> 02:27:41.479 then you're always going to have an opinion that isn't 2993 02:27:41.479 --> 02:27:44.520 even necessarily your own. And that's the scary part, you know, 2994 02:27:44.680 --> 02:27:47.520 like whose opinions? Like how did I come up with 2995 02:27:48.040 --> 02:27:51.159 these opinions that I think are mine even though I 2996 02:27:51.239 --> 02:27:53.959 wasn't there to witness it. I wasn't there the you know, 2997 02:27:54.000 --> 02:27:56.280 the moment that that thought or that opinion or whatever 2998 02:27:56.319 --> 02:27:59.760 that fact or whatever was generated or created. It's just that, oh, 2999 02:27:59.799 --> 02:28:02.399 I've leave this person, and this person wouldn't steer me wrong. 3000 02:28:02.440 --> 02:28:03.239 So I'm just gonna believe it. 3001 02:28:03.239 --> 02:28:04.280 It's like, bro, I. 3002 02:28:04.200 --> 02:28:07.200 Don't even agree with myself half the time, like, let 3003 02:28:07.239 --> 02:28:10.399 alone some random doctor. You know what I'm saying. 3004 02:28:10.680 --> 02:28:16.120 Right, So, in regards to the children being baptized with ayahuasca, 3005 02:28:16.159 --> 02:28:18.559 I just wanted to say, so, the babies aren't like 3006 02:28:18.639 --> 02:28:22.040 drinking drinking ayahuasca. They literally take a thumbprint of the 3007 02:28:22.079 --> 02:28:24.600 ayahuasca and literally put it on their tongue, so it's 3008 02:28:24.600 --> 02:28:27.479 like a tiny, tiny bit. The children, I think, like 3009 02:28:27.639 --> 02:28:30.079 later in life, can drink ayahuasca, but if they are, 3010 02:28:30.159 --> 02:28:32.520 it's a very small amount. They're not drinking like an 3011 02:28:32.559 --> 02:28:33.479 adult size. 3012 02:28:33.719 --> 02:28:37.280 But wait, that's that's considered a baptism over there. 3013 02:28:37.760 --> 02:28:41.079 Yeah yeah, And then because I mean that's the that's 3014 02:28:41.120 --> 02:28:43.040 the teacher. It's a great teacher plant. 3015 02:28:42.799 --> 02:28:45.399 And this is part of their community. They like sit weekly, 3016 02:28:45.440 --> 02:28:47.600 almost like it's church for them. So if the kids 3017 02:28:47.760 --> 02:28:49.239 decide to come to the cup and they have the 3018 02:28:49.280 --> 02:28:50.879 caurage and they sit down, and of course they give 3019 02:28:50.879 --> 02:28:52.719 them a tiny cup and they sit with their community, 3020 02:28:52.719 --> 02:28:55.239 this is how their community connects. But it does show 3021 02:28:55.319 --> 02:28:57.920 the way it's expressed in the tribe as very utopian 3022 02:28:57.959 --> 02:29:00.239 and communal compared to what we have right now out 3023 02:29:00.520 --> 02:29:02.319 and then just to speak to what you're saying just 3024 02:29:02.360 --> 02:29:05.680 about how like there are you know that essentially our 3025 02:29:05.719 --> 02:29:08.399 culture we live in a culture of hypocrisy, you know, 3026 02:29:08.520 --> 02:29:11.200 like we talk about cocaine versus sugar. They do that 3027 02:29:11.280 --> 02:29:13.639 Stanford study we always talk about every year. They do 3028 02:29:13.680 --> 02:29:16.600 it where they put a mount of sugar and a 3029 02:29:16.600 --> 02:29:19.959 mount of cocaine in a cage and they release the 3030 02:29:20.040 --> 02:29:22.680 rats and they all go to the sugar, right And 3031 02:29:22.719 --> 02:29:25.239 this is after getting them addicted to cocaine and sugar, 3032 02:29:25.319 --> 02:29:26.680 and they go to the sugar which is stronger. 3033 02:29:28.159 --> 02:29:29.760 Yeah, I've never heard of that. Man. I used to 3034 02:29:29.799 --> 02:29:32.319 work in a sugar refinery. I could say, nothing eats 3035 02:29:32.319 --> 02:29:34.959 that sugar. We never had to worry about rodents ever, 3036 02:29:35.079 --> 02:29:37.920 we had to worry about like bugs, but raccoons and shit. 3037 02:29:37.959 --> 02:29:40.040 They would make nests in the sugar. They wouldn't eat it. 3038 02:29:40.040 --> 02:29:41.319 It was weird, you know. 3039 02:29:41.840 --> 02:29:43.399 Yeah, I don't know. I mean, all I'll say is, 3040 02:29:43.440 --> 02:29:45.000 and I can't say his name, but one of a 3041 02:29:45.079 --> 02:29:48.600 close family friend is one of the sugar tycoons, like 3042 02:29:48.680 --> 02:29:52.200 old sugar, like one of like the biggest and his 3043 02:29:52.239 --> 02:29:55.559 wife sugar they have a personal chef and she only sugar. 3044 02:29:55.920 --> 02:29:59.040 So he's a bigger dude and he does whatever he wants. 3045 02:29:59.079 --> 02:30:01.520 But I mean the and then I mean, look, but 3046 02:30:01.600 --> 02:30:04.120 it's really just to speak to there is a hypocrisy. 3047 02:30:05.280 --> 02:30:07.319 We did a show called Awaken Underground. It was our 3048 02:30:07.360 --> 02:30:12.079 first show, and it was a lot about pharmaceuticals versus psychedelics, 3049 02:30:12.120 --> 02:30:15.280 and like I am a I obviously I'm a product 3050 02:30:15.280 --> 02:30:17.520 of the medication generation, Like I was stuck on ady 3051 02:30:17.559 --> 02:30:19.959 D meds as a kid, Like I am what happens 3052 02:30:20.000 --> 02:30:22.520 when you start drugging a kid in his adolescence and 3053 02:30:22.600 --> 02:30:24.959 telling him that the solution is in a pill he's 3054 02:30:25.000 --> 02:30:27.360 going to take every day, and you know, and even 3055 02:30:27.479 --> 02:30:31.000 coming to psychedelics, it was to heal those side effects 3056 02:30:31.120 --> 02:30:34.479 and get back to a life without pharmaceuticals after over 3057 02:30:34.520 --> 02:30:37.319 a decade. You know, it's there is a huge hypocrisy. 3058 02:30:37.879 --> 02:30:40.120 And you know, I don't think like a lot of 3059 02:30:40.120 --> 02:30:42.120 the things we're talking about in terms of the way 3060 02:30:42.120 --> 02:30:47.840 to approach, whether it's cocaine or you know, intention dosage quality, frequency, 3061 02:30:48.639 --> 02:30:51.719 you know, if you're using something chronically, you know, yeah, 3062 02:30:52.000 --> 02:30:56.600 is using something ceremonially or intentionally to us it applies 3063 02:30:56.639 --> 02:30:59.280 across all things what legal and not legal, you know. 3064 02:30:59.319 --> 02:31:01.319 And I say that as a chronic coffee drinker. 3065 02:31:01.559 --> 02:31:05.479 And also so thing with So I had an experience 3066 02:31:05.520 --> 02:31:09.239 with ayahuasca that really shifted my entire reality around it. 3067 02:31:09.280 --> 02:31:12.719 Because yes, in these ceremonies you can receive messages that 3068 02:31:12.840 --> 02:31:14.920 can help you heal in your like your normal day life. 3069 02:31:14.920 --> 02:31:18.200 But I had a physical healing inside of it. And 3070 02:31:18.719 --> 02:31:21.280 it was at the end of the second night. Be 3071 02:31:21.440 --> 02:31:23.639 is like a weekend thing. So at the end of 3072 02:31:23.680 --> 02:31:26.760 the second night, everyone's up like dancing and stuff, and 3073 02:31:26.799 --> 02:31:30.079 all of a sudden, I get like thrown back into 3074 02:31:30.079 --> 02:31:34.239 the medicine and I wake up in my childhood living 3075 02:31:34.319 --> 02:31:36.440 room like clear as day. And this is not a 3076 02:31:36.479 --> 02:31:40.559 normal ayahuasca experience, Like I'm you don't travel into another room. 3077 02:31:41.040 --> 02:31:43.559 But so I'm in my other room and this voice whisper, 3078 02:31:43.639 --> 02:31:46.280 she's under the piano, go talk to her. And I 3079 02:31:46.440 --> 02:31:48.799 was like, wait a second, what's going on? And I 3080 02:31:48.920 --> 02:31:52.280 knew what was happening, So I'm going to tell you 3081 02:31:52.319 --> 02:31:56.239 one second. So at this time, I had chronic back 3082 02:31:56.280 --> 02:31:58.760 pain from a car accident that I had when I 3083 02:31:58.760 --> 02:32:00.840 was eleven years old, and I started favoring one side 3084 02:32:00.840 --> 02:32:02.959 of my body and gave myself scoliosis. She was hit 3085 02:32:03.040 --> 02:32:07.799 by a mac yeah PG truck freeway got her, yeah, 3086 02:32:07.799 --> 02:32:10.280 and I would have to like within you know, by 3087 02:32:10.360 --> 02:32:12.760 around like noon, my back would seize up and I'd 3088 02:32:12.799 --> 02:32:14.520 have to lay on the ground and tears would just 3089 02:32:14.559 --> 02:32:16.159 start pouring out of my eyes because I was in 3090 02:32:16.280 --> 02:32:20.520 so much constant pain. So in this ceremony, I appear 3091 02:32:20.639 --> 02:32:24.760 my childhood child living room and they say she's under 3092 02:32:24.760 --> 02:32:27.479 the piano. So I see my little five year old 3093 02:32:27.479 --> 02:32:29.840 self under the grand piano that we had in our 3094 02:32:29.959 --> 02:32:32.319 living room, and I crawl under there, and I knew 3095 02:32:32.319 --> 02:32:35.040 exactly what was happening. So I knew that my child 3096 02:32:35.159 --> 02:32:37.440 self was like holding in going to the bathroom because 3097 02:32:37.440 --> 02:32:39.719 I was like ashamed of going to the bathroom. It 3098 02:32:39.799 --> 02:32:42.479 was like, for some reason shameful, and so I had 3099 02:32:42.479 --> 02:32:45.399 to go under there and talk to my little self 3100 02:32:45.440 --> 02:32:48.799 and be like it's totally normal, it's fine, Like this 3101 02:32:48.879 --> 02:32:51.280 isn't like somebody to be ashamed of or whatever. I 3102 02:32:51.319 --> 02:32:53.600 pulled her out from nt of the piano and walked 3103 02:32:53.600 --> 02:32:55.520 her to the bathroom, and as soon as I got 3104 02:32:55.520 --> 02:32:58.680 to the bathroom door, I shot back into my body 3105 02:32:59.000 --> 02:33:02.239 and start throwing up like giant chunks, like I mean, 3106 02:33:02.319 --> 02:33:04.760 I had not eaten in at least twenty four hours, 3107 02:33:05.000 --> 02:33:08.920 like purging, purging so much, and then on the last 3108 02:33:08.959 --> 02:33:13.639 like purge, all of a sudden, my back goes and decompresses, 3109 02:33:14.000 --> 02:33:16.120 and I was like, wait a second, no, no, no. 3110 02:33:16.159 --> 02:33:18.680 I was like, there's absolutely no way that my back 3111 02:33:18.719 --> 02:33:20.520 pain just went away. And it was like, you have 3112 02:33:20.559 --> 02:33:24.120 to believe that you were healed. And since that day 3113 02:33:24.360 --> 02:33:28.280 of doing that child work, I have not had any 3114 02:33:28.319 --> 02:33:32.680 back pain like compulling John, don't seize up, nothing like that. 3115 02:33:32.760 --> 02:33:36.079 And the wildest part is that, so we're sitting in 3116 02:33:36.120 --> 02:33:40.079 this massive circle, right and the guy directly across from 3117 02:33:40.079 --> 02:33:44.120 me during our sharing circle, he goes, yeah, He's like, 3118 02:33:44.200 --> 02:33:47.040 I don't know why. I just started making up this 3119 02:33:47.200 --> 02:33:50.319 song to teach my daughter about how to poop. And 3120 02:33:50.399 --> 02:33:53.399 I'm like, I was like, what the hell because he 3121 02:33:53.440 --> 02:33:55.399 had a little five year old girl, And it's really 3122 02:33:55.399 --> 02:33:57.959 interesting that it was like my five year old self 3123 02:33:58.000 --> 02:34:00.280 and he was teaching his daughter this song. He was 3124 02:34:00.319 --> 02:34:01.920 going to go back and like teach her from his. 3125 02:34:01.959 --> 02:34:05.040 Ceremony, and the most how crazy dude and the most 3126 02:34:05.040 --> 02:34:07.600 fascinating thing is like the implications about what this means 3127 02:34:07.600 --> 02:34:11.239 for reality. Yes, one she had as an illness from 3128 02:34:11.280 --> 02:34:14.959 a car accident, a physical injury, okay, and it actually 3129 02:34:15.079 --> 02:34:17.479 was a trauma around going to the bathroom and she 3130 02:34:17.479 --> 02:34:18.920 spent her whole life going long. It was hit by 3131 02:34:18.959 --> 02:34:19.959 a truck and this happenedess. 3132 02:34:20.120 --> 02:34:23.000 But the thing that held onto that pain was like 3133 02:34:23.120 --> 02:34:25.959 is if you look at like your your intestines, right, 3134 02:34:26.239 --> 02:34:29.559 that's your lower back. It's just the other side of it. 3135 02:34:29.719 --> 02:34:32.319 So apparently this like trauma, which a trauma for a 3136 02:34:32.399 --> 02:34:35.399 child could be anything, because if they're scared of something 3137 02:34:35.440 --> 02:34:37.920 that can traumatize them, you know, and like later in 3138 02:34:37.959 --> 02:34:39.399 life they have to work back through it. And as 3139 02:34:39.399 --> 02:34:41.200 an adult you might not think of it as a trauma, 3140 02:34:41.239 --> 02:34:43.959 but as a child, it's traumatic, you know. And so 3141 02:34:44.200 --> 02:34:47.840 it's really interesting to see these like things and it's like, wow, 3142 02:34:47.920 --> 02:34:52.840 I can literally go back and parent myself and heal 3143 02:34:52.959 --> 02:34:53.920 something in the physical. 3144 02:34:54.479 --> 02:34:57.479 Were you trying to cure this when you when you said, 3145 02:34:57.479 --> 02:35:00.159 like I know earlier y'all said it's all about intention, right, 3146 02:35:00.159 --> 02:35:02.120 and I get that one thousand percent. Were you trying 3147 02:35:02.159 --> 02:35:04.639 to heal yourself of this when you started this experience 3148 02:35:04.719 --> 02:35:07.159 or was this just like an extra icing on the 3149 02:35:07.200 --> 02:35:09.680 cake of what would have been already a pretty solid trip. 3150 02:35:10.040 --> 02:35:13.360 Honestly, I didn't think it was possible. I had no 3151 02:35:13.520 --> 02:35:16.680 idea that a physical ailment could be possibly healed in 3152 02:35:16.680 --> 02:35:19.280 a nyahuasca ceremony, so I didn't even think of asking 3153 02:35:19.319 --> 02:35:22.399 for that. But it just happened, and it was again. 3154 02:35:22.440 --> 02:35:24.239 It was like the end of the medicine, Like everyone's 3155 02:35:24.280 --> 02:35:26.440 out of the medicine and I get shot back into 3156 02:35:26.440 --> 02:35:27.399 this other reality. 3157 02:35:27.600 --> 02:35:29.159 And one of the things I love about that story 3158 02:35:29.239 --> 02:35:33.159 is it shows another couple really fascinating things. Oh it's okay, 3159 02:35:33.159 --> 02:35:34.040 I was getting a phone call. 3160 02:35:34.200 --> 02:35:35.559 Sorry, are you good? 3161 02:35:35.799 --> 02:35:36.760 Oh? 3162 02:35:36.959 --> 02:35:39.200 Yeah, I gotcha, I got you. Hold on, I can see. 3163 02:35:39.239 --> 02:35:41.159 Yes, it didn't pop up on our ends, So you're good. 3164 02:35:41.520 --> 02:35:43.440 Zoom no not that. 3165 02:35:43.760 --> 02:35:45.079 Ah, there you are. 3166 02:35:45.319 --> 02:35:47.520 There you are as I was saying. One of the 3167 02:35:47.559 --> 02:35:50.879 most fascinating things about that is it shows there's a 3168 02:35:50.879 --> 02:35:54.879 couple implications about reality that from that story, and also 3169 02:35:55.079 --> 02:35:57.559 shows sort of the protocols because there's only so much 3170 02:35:57.639 --> 02:36:00.120 that those medicines can do. One of the things is 3171 02:36:00.120 --> 02:36:05.639 that it guided her to do it, but she had 3172 02:36:05.680 --> 02:36:06.159 to do it. 3173 02:36:06.200 --> 02:36:07.040 I had to heal myself. 3174 02:36:07.120 --> 02:36:10.040 Medicines don't heal you. They heal yourself, but you're invoking. 3175 02:36:10.120 --> 02:36:12.440 There's the spirit they call her grandmother and mother ayahuasca, 3176 02:36:12.600 --> 02:36:16.879 and it's very obvious, this like feminine interdimensional tour guide 3177 02:36:17.200 --> 02:36:21.639 that's like shows up and is super intimidating, like uh, 3178 02:36:21.680 --> 02:36:24.959 and he is kind of like super loving, really funny 3179 02:36:25.319 --> 02:36:29.280 and like hardcore, like don't like no nonsense. That's why 3180 02:36:29.280 --> 02:36:33.040 they call it Grandina. She's like, she's like damon, like 3181 02:36:33.120 --> 02:36:36.520 an old hag. Yeah, dude, yeah, Yeah, it's intense, but 3182 02:36:37.040 --> 02:36:39.399 she had to heal herself. She was the guide and 3183 02:36:39.440 --> 02:36:41.479 she told her what to do and she went and 3184 02:36:41.520 --> 02:36:43.319 did it. And then the other Yeah, the other thing 3185 02:36:43.360 --> 02:36:45.239 I already said, which is sort of that it's a 3186 02:36:45.399 --> 02:36:47.879 it was a truck, but it was linked to this 3187 02:36:47.879 --> 02:36:51.920 this uh this trauma. And then the third thing is 3188 02:36:53.280 --> 02:36:56.159 the telepathic quality of it. And I'm sure you've all 3189 02:36:56.200 --> 02:37:00.000 heard the stories about when anthropologists in America first discovered ayahuasca. 3190 02:37:00.360 --> 02:37:04.319 They wanted to call the chemical compound harming telepithon because 3191 02:37:04.440 --> 02:37:06.680 they believed it gave was giving the people in the 3192 02:37:06.719 --> 02:37:11.520 circles telepathy. So what happens in the circle is she's 3193 02:37:11.600 --> 02:37:15.360 having a healing, and across from her, a guy is 3194 02:37:15.399 --> 02:37:19.479 getting downloaded a song for his daughter about how not 3195 02:37:19.520 --> 02:37:23.600 being afraid to poop and what. And dude, the craziest 3196 02:37:23.639 --> 02:37:26.879 thing is what a circle is. When you're doing these circles, 3197 02:37:26.879 --> 02:37:29.120 because it can be one person, two people, what we 3198 02:37:29.200 --> 02:37:33.879 call them ceremonial technologies. When you circle up, you are 3199 02:37:34.000 --> 02:37:39.719 essentially agreeing upon this law that we're all connected, and 3200 02:37:39.959 --> 02:37:45.360 you are essentially agreeing to essentially engage on an evolved 3201 02:37:45.399 --> 02:37:48.840 consciousness where you are experiencing not just altered states, but 3202 02:37:49.000 --> 02:37:53.360 extra sensory perception. And the healing is not done individually, 3203 02:37:53.440 --> 02:37:57.159 it's done collectively in these ceremonies you and it's as 3204 02:37:57.200 --> 02:37:59.159 as reels we're talking to you now. Actually it's as 3205 02:37:59.319 --> 02:38:02.879 it's real, it's real earth, right. There are moments where 3206 02:38:02.879 --> 02:38:06.360 someone is brought to a mat or something gets happens, 3207 02:38:06.520 --> 02:38:11.040 or the whole circle is brought to the same point 3208 02:38:11.079 --> 02:38:13.000 on their own individual journey. It could be an energy 3209 02:38:13.000 --> 02:38:18.000 of blust greed, and you start going like spiritual warfare, 3210 02:38:18.159 --> 02:38:21.000 just like Jacob says, going to fucking war You are 3211 02:38:21.079 --> 02:38:24.520 sitting there sweating and purging and shaking and you're like 3212 02:38:24.600 --> 02:38:28.520 it is water and you're there with thirty warriors, just 3213 02:38:28.520 --> 02:38:31.680 fucking moving this energy, not for yourself in the world. 3214 02:38:31.680 --> 02:38:33.879 And that's why it's so funny, because we have these conversations. 3215 02:38:33.879 --> 02:38:36.479 Everyone's like ask these questions and we're like they do. 3216 02:38:36.680 --> 02:38:39.120 It's a fight's fucking in Saturday. You get in there, 3217 02:38:39.639 --> 02:38:43.280 it's insane. Everyone's in white and like like war paint 3218 02:38:43.360 --> 02:38:47.159 on and you're just fucking like sweating and crying and shaking, 3219 02:38:47.200 --> 02:38:50.639 and it's like, what is happening? What is reality? But sorry, 3220 02:38:50.719 --> 02:38:51.159 I'm done. 3221 02:38:51.639 --> 02:38:55.280 No, that's that's really cool though. I mean, I've actually 3222 02:38:55.760 --> 02:38:59.559 kind of been scared to even try iyahuasca because there 3223 02:38:59.639 --> 02:39:02.920 was actually, uh, one of my friends from like whenever 3224 02:39:02.959 --> 02:39:04.600 I was in high school, he had told me about 3225 02:39:04.600 --> 02:39:08.440 this story and he said he was actually planning on 3226 02:39:08.479 --> 02:39:11.040 coming on the show and talking about it. But he goes, no, 3227 02:39:11.200 --> 02:39:13.440 I don't even want to. He didn't even want to, 3228 02:39:13.479 --> 02:39:17.360 like it scared him that much, but he had. I 3229 02:39:17.360 --> 02:39:20.760 guess he grew up in a religious home and then 3230 02:39:20.879 --> 02:39:23.879 stepped away for a little while and then got back 3231 02:39:23.920 --> 02:39:28.319 to like his religious ways, and then he was like, 3232 02:39:28.399 --> 02:39:29.959 you know what, I really kind of want to come 3233 02:39:30.000 --> 02:39:32.079 face to face with God, and I hear a lot 3234 02:39:32.120 --> 02:39:35.360 of other people trying ayahuasca and they're able to essentially 3235 02:39:35.760 --> 02:39:38.200 be in the in that kind of presence or something 3236 02:39:38.280 --> 02:39:41.399 like that, and so he went. I think it was actually, 3237 02:39:41.440 --> 02:39:44.840 like he explained, it was like this mansion place somewhere 3238 02:39:44.840 --> 02:39:48.040 in Florida that was doing ayahuasca ceremonies and you go 3239 02:39:48.120 --> 02:39:50.600 for like two or three days, and whenever you're there, 3240 02:39:51.079 --> 02:39:53.040 you know, like there's a bunch of people, and then 3241 02:39:53.079 --> 02:39:56.040 there's you know, the shamans, the teachers, the guiders or whatever, 3242 02:39:57.000 --> 02:40:01.399 and so you would, I guess he he partook in 3243 02:40:01.520 --> 02:40:04.879 the ayahuasca ceremony and he goes, at first it was 3244 02:40:04.920 --> 02:40:07.600 really awesome, like it was amazing, like he was able 3245 02:40:07.639 --> 02:40:10.639 to see like another world, almost like a fairy world, 3246 02:40:10.719 --> 02:40:13.040 is what he was describing. But then what he noticed 3247 02:40:13.120 --> 02:40:16.239 is is that he started to feel like this overwhelming 3248 02:40:16.280 --> 02:40:20.479 sense of fear, and that fear started almost like manifesting 3249 02:40:20.520 --> 02:40:24.520 these little I guess like machine elves or something like 3250 02:40:24.559 --> 02:40:26.840 that that were all pointing at him and laughing at 3251 02:40:26.959 --> 02:40:30.200 him and making him go like super internal and and 3252 02:40:30.959 --> 02:40:34.280 you know the little elves are just like you. You 3253 02:40:34.479 --> 02:40:38.200 say that you're you know, you're this hardcore believing Christian 3254 02:40:38.360 --> 02:40:40.760 and you believe in God, yet you still need to 3255 02:40:40.799 --> 02:40:43.159 find some kind of proof for it. And you know 3256 02:40:43.559 --> 02:40:45.879 what an idiot you are. And they're just like dog 3257 02:40:45.959 --> 02:40:48.680 in him the entire time. And he goes, Dude, I mean, 3258 02:40:48.719 --> 02:40:50.120 I don't know how it is for everybody else, but 3259 02:40:50.360 --> 02:40:53.680 it's like, you know, the it lasted for like hours 3260 02:40:53.719 --> 02:40:55.559 and hours and hours from what he was saying, it's 3261 02:40:55.639 --> 02:40:59.680 very exhausting, and and he goes, you know, and I 3262 02:40:59.719 --> 02:41:02.200 don't really know what to make of that, Like, is 3263 02:41:02.319 --> 02:41:05.799 that you know, God or Jesus or somebody just like 3264 02:41:05.959 --> 02:41:09.040 punishing me because I went in search for them. And 3265 02:41:09.079 --> 02:41:10.639 I was like, bro, I don't think that that's what's 3266 02:41:10.680 --> 02:41:13.639 going on at all. But that's the way he interpreted it. 3267 02:41:13.680 --> 02:41:17.079 And he goes, I wouldn't suggest anybody try it because 3268 02:41:17.079 --> 02:41:19.159 it is the realest shit ever and then it will 3269 02:41:19.159 --> 02:41:22.760 stick with you for the longest time. And I mean, 3270 02:41:22.799 --> 02:41:24.520 what do you make of that story? Do you think 3271 02:41:24.559 --> 02:41:27.319 that maybe there's just more to the story that he 3272 02:41:27.360 --> 02:41:29.760 didn't want to dive into. What do you think? 3273 02:41:29.879 --> 02:41:35.079 Well, so it's very classic there, so it's sort of 3274 02:41:35.120 --> 02:41:38.559 like machineel things they do make fun of you. They 3275 02:41:38.639 --> 02:41:41.639 poke fun at you in order to provoke something inside 3276 02:41:41.680 --> 02:41:43.719 of you, though, because there's a piece of you. Whatever 3277 02:41:43.760 --> 02:41:45.799 they're making fun of you for, is something inside of 3278 02:41:45.840 --> 02:41:47.600 you that you're not willing to face, what you're taking 3279 02:41:47.600 --> 02:41:50.600 yourself too seriously about. So they're trying to bring a 3280 02:41:50.719 --> 02:41:54.840 lightness to it. And so they they're fucking hilarious, Like 3281 02:41:54.879 --> 02:41:57.239 they literally just make fun of you, and you're just 3282 02:41:57.280 --> 02:41:59.559 they're just trolling you the whole time. You're like, are 3283 02:41:59.600 --> 02:42:04.680 you They're like string. 3284 02:42:03.120 --> 02:42:08.079 Levity to your So look, you don't clean the clean 3285 02:42:08.200 --> 02:42:11.079 part of your house, you clean the dirty part. So 3286 02:42:11.399 --> 02:42:14.040 people's shadow it's the part you're not willing to look at. 3287 02:42:14.200 --> 02:42:16.959 You're not willing to look at to get closer to God. 3288 02:42:17.040 --> 02:42:20.520 That you went on a journey which was an expression 3289 02:42:20.680 --> 02:42:23.959 of your lack of faith in God. And even if 3290 02:42:23.959 --> 02:42:26.040 that wasn't the thing that's making fun of it's just 3291 02:42:26.120 --> 02:42:28.600 pushing on him, it's just challenging him. The fact of 3292 02:42:28.600 --> 02:42:32.079 the matter is that was his fear, so it had 3293 02:42:32.120 --> 02:42:35.600 to come to the surface to move And honestly, that 3294 02:42:35.840 --> 02:42:40.000 was probably the most genous, gentle way she could have 3295 02:42:40.319 --> 02:42:42.360 brought that wound to the surface out of all the 3296 02:42:42.399 --> 02:42:43.680 things we've had to go through. 3297 02:42:43.920 --> 02:42:46.200 Usually, they take you to the pits of hell and 3298 02:42:46.399 --> 02:42:48.920 like say, you're like, you're like you have no self love, right, 3299 02:42:48.959 --> 02:42:51.040 You're like, I want to learn self love. They're going 3300 02:42:51.120 --> 02:42:52.760 to take you to the pits of hell where you're like, 3301 02:42:52.920 --> 02:42:55.360 I'm the worthless piece of shit and you're at the 3302 02:42:55.399 --> 02:42:58.319 bottom and you're just like, oh, I should die. And 3303 02:42:58.360 --> 02:43:01.200 then it's like, wait a second, that's not my thoughts. 3304 02:43:01.200 --> 02:43:02.799 And then you come back up and you're like, wait 3305 02:43:02.840 --> 02:43:03.440 a second. 3306 02:43:03.479 --> 02:43:05.920 It was all Alie, I don't know if you're gonna 3307 02:43:05.920 --> 02:43:08.120 willing to go here, but I'm gonna let you decide that. 3308 02:43:08.159 --> 02:43:11.200 I'm gonna prop you up a little bit. There's it's true. 3309 02:43:11.280 --> 02:43:15.520 It's true. It's true. So okay, so so okay. So 3310 02:43:15.680 --> 02:43:17.559 also again, like I said, there's an art and a 3311 02:43:17.680 --> 02:43:20.040 science to this, Like this is sort of like you're 3312 02:43:20.040 --> 02:43:22.639 dealing with like almost like a tourus like stepping into 3313 02:43:22.680 --> 02:43:25.200 his experience and being like I'm gonna face this, and 3314 02:43:25.760 --> 02:43:28.559 he got given a very light like jabbing, like being 3315 02:43:28.600 --> 02:43:30.360 made fun of, like in a playful way. It's sort 3316 02:43:30.399 --> 02:43:32.600 of uncomfortable to fear it's closing in on me, like 3317 02:43:33.079 --> 02:43:35.399 you know, and he was there to move that fear 3318 02:43:35.600 --> 02:43:38.559 by feeling that fear. The only way out is through 3319 02:43:38.719 --> 02:43:41.360 there's no way you have to go. The pain is 3320 02:43:41.399 --> 02:43:43.680 the path you have to go through that shit, right, 3321 02:43:44.120 --> 02:43:47.479 So there is a level and that's an individual thing. 3322 02:43:48.280 --> 02:43:51.600 But there are people who are so strong, who are 3323 02:43:51.680 --> 02:43:56.959 so brave, who are so fucking like ah in their 3324 02:43:57.079 --> 02:43:59.639 convictions when it comes to who they are, who what 3325 02:43:59.680 --> 02:44:03.959 they they believe in that they can go deeper in 3326 02:44:04.399 --> 02:44:07.600 to the point where it's beyond themselves and they're projecting 3327 02:44:07.760 --> 02:44:11.520 into the field of consciousness to heal others and also 3328 02:44:11.559 --> 02:44:13.000 the world. And I'm gonna give you a little story 3329 02:44:13.000 --> 02:44:16.000 about this. By the way, this girl, Tanya, she puts 3330 02:44:16.000 --> 02:44:18.399 me to shame when it comes to this type of 3331 02:44:18.399 --> 02:44:20.520 work because I'm always like, I get to a point 3332 02:44:20.520 --> 02:44:23.399 and I'm like, nah, then all right, just done now, 3333 02:44:23.799 --> 02:44:26.239 and I just feel like and then I look over 3334 02:44:26.360 --> 02:44:29.879 her and she's like, oh, like wretching in a bucket, Tanya, 3335 02:44:29.959 --> 02:44:32.159 If you're comfortable, its very personal story. 3336 02:44:32.520 --> 02:44:33.360 What story? 3337 02:44:33.760 --> 02:44:36.959 So when you healed the okay, would you be willing 3338 02:44:36.959 --> 02:44:39.639 to tell the story about the night that it was 3339 02:44:39.680 --> 02:44:42.280 your second round of ceremonies where you were getting put 3340 02:44:42.319 --> 02:44:43.319 on comhh oh. 3341 02:44:43.319 --> 02:44:46.920 Yeah yeah yeah okay, oh yeah yeah yeah, okay. 3342 02:44:46.760 --> 02:44:47.399 Let's go there. 3343 02:44:47.920 --> 02:44:50.399 Okay, yeah this is some show, so h okay. So 3344 02:44:50.520 --> 02:44:54.920 this was my third my third, like so I third 3345 02:44:54.959 --> 02:44:59.079 ceremony that with this medicine, Yeah, with ayahuasca. So I 3346 02:44:59.399 --> 02:45:02.200 my favorite thing about ayahuasca is like the visuals and 3347 02:45:02.280 --> 02:45:05.159 being there and talking to these beings and getting all this. 3348 02:45:05.280 --> 02:45:06.959 I love it. I love the work. I love the 3349 02:45:07.040 --> 02:45:09.000 like the hardness of it. I'm just like, get me more. 3350 02:45:09.000 --> 02:45:14.159 I'm here, let's fucking do it. So this ceremony, I 3351 02:45:14.200 --> 02:45:17.559 get knocked on conscious I'm just asleep and I wake 3352 02:45:17.639 --> 02:45:19.760 up at the end and they're done with the ceremony, 3353 02:45:19.799 --> 02:45:23.120 and I'm like, no, no, I paid all this money, 3354 02:45:23.239 --> 02:45:25.040 like oh my god, like we I didn't get anything 3355 02:45:25.079 --> 02:45:26.520 out of this. Are you fucking kidding? 3356 02:45:27.079 --> 02:45:28.680 Often it was very special. 3357 02:45:29.040 --> 02:45:31.000 I was like, I was like, are you kidding me? 3358 02:45:31.120 --> 02:45:33.639 Right now? I like I came here for like one reason. 3359 02:45:33.639 --> 02:45:37.920 I was so pissed. So the next night, same thing happens. 3360 02:45:38.000 --> 02:45:40.079 I get knocked out, but I wake up maybe like 3361 02:45:40.120 --> 02:45:42.520 an hour or two later, and I'm pissed and I'm 3362 02:45:42.559 --> 02:45:44.479 like yelling at spirit. I'm like, why are you doing 3363 02:45:44.520 --> 02:45:47.000 this to me? Like I came here to get worked on. 3364 02:45:47.079 --> 02:45:49.040 I'm like I want to I want to fucking do this. 3365 02:45:49.079 --> 02:45:49.959 I'm like, I spent money and. 3366 02:45:50.200 --> 02:45:52.360 I took the time real quick. When you say you're 3367 02:45:52.440 --> 02:45:54.600 knocked out, do you mean like you go into a 3368 02:45:54.639 --> 02:45:56.280 deep sleep, or do you mean like you see the 3369 02:45:56.319 --> 02:45:58.959 fractals and you at least feel the vibes, or you're like, actually, 3370 02:45:59.000 --> 02:46:01.200 you just went to sleep. 3371 02:46:00.440 --> 02:46:05.239 Asleep like sotep. And I was asleep, so I hire 3372 02:46:05.319 --> 02:46:07.079 first night and this one I slept for a couple 3373 02:46:07.120 --> 02:46:09.280 of hours. I woke up just was so pissed, and 3374 02:46:09.319 --> 02:46:12.120 then all of a sudden, this like voice comes in 3375 02:46:12.159 --> 02:46:13.520 and I see she's yelling. 3376 02:46:15.200 --> 02:46:17.959 The second night, she gets put out again after like 3377 02:46:18.000 --> 02:46:18.559 begging for it. 3378 02:46:18.600 --> 02:46:20.840 I know you skipped over it. And when she woke 3379 02:46:20.879 --> 02:46:22.879 herself up, yeah, it was like two hours into the 3380 02:46:22.920 --> 02:46:24.399 second night, I like woke my see. 3381 02:46:25.799 --> 02:46:26.000 Piece. 3382 02:46:27.639 --> 02:46:29.680 I was so mad and so all of a sudden, 3383 02:46:29.719 --> 02:46:32.559 this voice comes over me and this like my look 3384 02:46:32.559 --> 02:46:35.360 at my Matt, and this like face appears and it 3385 02:46:35.440 --> 02:46:38.600 literally looks at me and it goes, you don't think 3386 02:46:38.639 --> 02:46:42.000 we're here, like you don't realize what we're doing behind 3387 02:46:42.000 --> 02:46:44.120 the scenes. But you know what, like you're gonna be 3388 02:46:44.280 --> 02:46:46.520 like a brat about it, We'll show you why we 3389 02:46:46.600 --> 02:46:49.280 put you to sleep, and literally throws me into the 3390 02:46:49.280 --> 02:46:54.520 medicine and I have to like relive sexual trauma, sexual 3391 02:46:54.639 --> 02:46:58.120 like molestations, all this stuff from different all the people 3392 02:46:58.159 --> 02:46:59.879 in my families that had to deal with it. I 3393 02:47:00.040 --> 02:47:03.120 had to literally like enter the bodies of every fucking child, 3394 02:47:03.200 --> 02:47:06.200 every person as they're going through these traumas. And I'm 3395 02:47:06.239 --> 02:47:09.200 like freaking the fuck out because I'm like bawling and 3396 02:47:09.280 --> 02:47:11.760 my body is like shaking, and it feels like I'm 3397 02:47:11.760 --> 02:47:15.959 being like assaulted over and over and over and over again. 3398 02:47:16.319 --> 02:47:19.079 Every victim of assault. 3399 02:47:18.959 --> 02:47:22.959 Was yeah, it goes through it goes through your genetic line. 3400 02:47:23.000 --> 02:47:26.360 So like epigenetics, like anything that happens from your mother 3401 02:47:26.440 --> 02:47:28.280 or your father is going to pass down from you, 3402 02:47:28.319 --> 02:47:30.360 and even if you don't experience it, there's going to 3403 02:47:30.440 --> 02:47:32.479 be a part of you that still holds onto that. 3404 02:47:32.840 --> 02:47:34.639 We talk about this study with the rats with the 3405 02:47:34.719 --> 02:47:37.840 rose blossom, So they used so they would spray rose 3406 02:47:37.879 --> 02:47:40.159 blossom in this cage with these rats, and then as 3407 02:47:40.159 --> 02:47:41.920 soon as they would smell the rose blossom, they would 3408 02:47:41.920 --> 02:47:44.799 shock them, right, and so the rats would freak out 3409 02:47:44.799 --> 02:47:47.360 every time they smelled rose blossom. They waited a couple 3410 02:47:47.479 --> 02:47:51.159 generations and without shocking them, without rose blossom, So like 3411 02:47:51.319 --> 02:47:54.760 three generations later, they spray rose blossom in the cage 3412 02:47:54.799 --> 02:47:57.399 and all of the rats freak out. They've never experienced 3413 02:47:57.440 --> 02:48:00.440 the shock, They've never experienced anything, but the epigenetics through 3414 02:48:00.520 --> 02:48:04.280 their lineage has brought this trauma in. So it was 3415 02:48:04.600 --> 02:48:08.000 making me. Literally what it was doing is that it 3416 02:48:08.559 --> 02:48:12.159 you can help heal. It's like when people say you're 3417 02:48:12.200 --> 02:48:15.600 breaking curses in your family, right, you're breaking ancestral trauma 3418 02:48:15.639 --> 02:48:18.559 in your family. You're like, no, everyone was an alcoholic, 3419 02:48:18.600 --> 02:48:21.360 everyone was abused, everyone was whatever. I'm breaking it my 3420 02:48:21.440 --> 02:48:24.399 generation and it will never pass me. It is a choice. 3421 02:48:24.719 --> 02:48:28.399 So in this there are though epigenetics, there are things 3422 02:48:28.440 --> 02:48:31.559 that are like inside of us that these medicines, these 3423 02:48:31.600 --> 02:48:36.719 technologies can change your genetics so it doesn't get passed down. 3424 02:48:36.799 --> 02:48:39.520 And that's what was happening, and it knocked me out, 3425 02:48:39.559 --> 02:48:41.799 so I didn't have to experience it as it was 3426 02:48:41.879 --> 02:48:44.000 doing this work. But I was being a brat and 3427 02:48:44.000 --> 02:48:45.920 being like I don't know what your experience or whatever, 3428 02:48:46.559 --> 02:48:48.600 but it made me actually feel it. It was the 3429 02:48:48.760 --> 02:48:51.520 hardest ceremony I've ever been through my entire life. I 3430 02:48:51.559 --> 02:48:53.719 wanted out so bad. I was just sitting there like 3431 02:48:54.239 --> 02:48:58.239 convulsing and like vomiting and crying and like could not 3432 02:48:58.360 --> 02:48:59.000 get out of it. 3433 02:48:59.000 --> 02:49:01.520 It was terrible to sort of speak to your friend's 3434 02:49:01.559 --> 02:49:05.600 experience and say, the deeper depths they will. That was 3435 02:49:05.719 --> 02:49:09.159 very actually light what he was getting. And it is weird, dude, 3436 02:49:09.159 --> 02:49:12.239 it is not. It is not like like we talk 3437 02:49:12.280 --> 02:49:14.920 about it like it is magic and it is real, 3438 02:49:15.399 --> 02:49:18.200 but it is so farign It is strange and it 3439 02:49:18.280 --> 02:49:20.879 is uncomfortable and it is like not easy, and we 3440 02:49:20.920 --> 02:49:23.719 really try to push that, but the magic is so real, 3441 02:49:24.159 --> 02:49:26.360 and so that's why it's like, well he was getting 3442 02:49:26.360 --> 02:49:28.520 like that was actually a very basic protocol. When I 3443 02:49:28.559 --> 02:49:30.479 see someone like her that gets put through that, I 3444 02:49:30.520 --> 02:49:33.360 am like shook it. I'm like, damn, girl, you fucking 3445 02:49:33.360 --> 02:49:37.079 go hard because you can be used to proxy. I've 3446 02:49:37.079 --> 02:49:39.959 seen people proxy for the Earth, for the pain of 3447 02:49:40.000 --> 02:49:42.120 the Earth, and like, I mean you're looking at someone 3448 02:49:42.239 --> 02:49:45.399 just fucking like almost like an axisism, and you're like 3449 02:49:45.600 --> 02:49:47.639 and they'll tell you the story and people we know, 3450 02:49:48.079 --> 02:49:48.399 so we. 3451 02:49:48.399 --> 02:49:51.440 Know that family too, like my mother sits. 3452 02:49:51.760 --> 02:49:54.600 You can proxy and it's crazy they talk about shamanism 3453 02:49:54.680 --> 02:49:56.520 whatever you want to call it. We call it just 3454 02:49:56.520 --> 02:50:00.680 being a human and just hacking consciousness. Where but we 3455 02:50:01.399 --> 02:50:04.440 can proxy for people in ceremony. So if someone can't 3456 02:50:04.479 --> 02:50:07.319 move something like they're not used to it or they're resisting, 3457 02:50:07.959 --> 02:50:11.440 you as an individual can volunteer to transfer it onto 3458 02:50:11.479 --> 02:50:14.079 you to move it. We don't do it anymore because 3459 02:50:14.079 --> 02:50:14.959 we get sick from it. 3460 02:50:15.000 --> 02:50:17.200 And it's happened before. There was a guy who There 3461 02:50:17.239 --> 02:50:19.920 was a guy in a ceremony who had that way. 3462 02:50:19.959 --> 02:50:26.159 He was an addict, and the facilitator was like, hey, everybody, 3463 02:50:26.239 --> 02:50:29.239 we just need everybody's attention right now in the center. 3464 02:50:29.280 --> 02:50:31.239 We're going to do a healing on somebody in the center. 3465 02:50:31.760 --> 02:50:34.680 And this guy was you know, they were trying to 3466 02:50:34.719 --> 02:50:37.879 break this this sort of like lineage of addiction inside 3467 02:50:37.879 --> 02:50:40.559 of him so he wouldn't go back to using, and 3468 02:50:41.000 --> 02:50:43.120 for some reason, like all of a sudden, my hands 3469 02:50:43.120 --> 02:50:46.120 and feet like went out to him and I started 3470 02:50:46.159 --> 02:50:51.120 crying so deeply, like the most guttural, painful crying ever. 3471 02:50:51.600 --> 02:50:54.079 And later he told me that he was when they 3472 02:50:54.079 --> 02:50:57.319 were doing the healing on him, he like felt so 3473 02:50:57.920 --> 02:51:00.879 like bottled up and he couldn't release what needed to 3474 02:51:00.879 --> 02:51:03.000 be released, and he was like, you were doing it 3475 02:51:03.040 --> 02:51:05.520 for me. He was like, I knew that the energy 3476 02:51:05.600 --> 02:51:08.760 was going through you, and like I was like purging 3477 02:51:08.799 --> 02:51:11.799 this stuff out. It was so wild and that actually 3478 02:51:11.799 --> 02:51:15.440 that night I heard the trumpets those trumpets are talking about. 3479 02:51:15.639 --> 02:51:18.799 After after he had that healing, I went outside and 3480 02:51:19.000 --> 02:51:21.479 loud as can be. We're in the middle of nowhere, 3481 02:51:21.479 --> 02:51:24.600 like there's nothing around there, and I was like, I've 3482 02:51:24.600 --> 02:51:27.399 heard it too, and probably like one o'clock in the 3483 02:51:27.399 --> 02:51:29.040 morning or something like that, I've heard it. 3484 02:51:28.959 --> 02:51:32.280 It was like both my head and it was just horns, 3485 02:51:32.399 --> 02:51:34.000 and then I ignored it. Actually I got scared. 3486 02:51:34.079 --> 02:51:37.000 It sounds angelic though, yeah, but it was scary. 3487 02:51:37.040 --> 02:51:37.239 You know. 3488 02:51:37.319 --> 02:51:39.959 It's like, wait, are those horns coming from yes? Yes, 3489 02:51:40.040 --> 02:51:41.200 you know you feel you're tripping. 3490 02:51:41.360 --> 02:51:41.520 Yeah. 3491 02:51:41.559 --> 02:51:44.200 It feels like it's coming from outside of you, but 3492 02:51:44.319 --> 02:51:49.719 also inside, like coming from in in like the inside 3493 02:51:49.719 --> 02:51:52.920 of you almost. I know that. Whenever I experienced it, 3494 02:51:52.920 --> 02:51:54.920 it was like, uh, and I've said this a million times, 3495 02:51:54.959 --> 02:51:58.120 but I'll just tell y'all. But i've whenever I experienced it, 3496 02:51:58.159 --> 02:52:01.479 I took like a super heavy dosage of my but uh, 3497 02:52:01.879 --> 02:52:05.440 I just heard elohim eloheem, almost as if like a 3498 02:52:05.639 --> 02:52:09.520 trumpet had a voice that could say words. And then 3499 02:52:09.600 --> 02:52:11.520 for just some reason, I knew that I could ask 3500 02:52:11.559 --> 02:52:14.239 it questions, and I don't know, I was just like, 3501 02:52:14.440 --> 02:52:16.600 am I supposed to ask you questions or something? I'm 3502 02:52:16.639 --> 02:52:18.120 tripping at this time, like I don't know what the 3503 02:52:18.159 --> 02:52:20.799 fuck is real, you know, And but at the moment 3504 02:52:20.959 --> 02:52:23.879 I was like, oh well, let me try and just 3505 02:52:24.000 --> 02:52:27.079 ask it questions. And as I'm asking it questions, before 3506 02:52:27.159 --> 02:52:30.559 I'm even done with the question, the fucking answer is 3507 02:52:30.639 --> 02:52:34.639 popping into my head. And it is the trippiest, wildest 3508 02:52:34.760 --> 02:52:38.200 experience maybe ever that i've It was definitely my first. 3509 02:52:38.360 --> 02:52:40.719 It was my wildest experience up to that point in 3510 02:52:40.799 --> 02:52:41.159 my life. 3511 02:52:41.680 --> 02:52:44.239 It's more real than real life. And like this is 3512 02:52:44.399 --> 02:52:47.760 if there's any the whole reason we created asked for 3513 02:52:47.840 --> 02:52:52.520 squares is kind of what Jacob was saying before. Like Jacob, 3514 02:52:52.559 --> 02:52:54.639 you said that, like you had this experience, and even 3515 02:52:54.680 --> 02:52:57.879 people within your own community, other Christians are saying like, 3516 02:52:58.040 --> 02:52:59.799 oh if that happened to you, that mean like that's 3517 02:52:59.840 --> 02:53:02.120 what the profits. That's you know, that would mean you 3518 02:53:02.360 --> 02:53:04.399 you would be a prophet and this and that the 3519 02:53:04.479 --> 02:53:09.319 fact of the matter is and like this is honestly, 3520 02:53:09.479 --> 02:53:14.000 if there's anything negative that comes from certain religions, it's 3521 02:53:14.120 --> 02:53:18.399 that humans don't have these capabilities. And we talk a 3522 02:53:18.479 --> 02:53:21.639 lot about on our show about disclosure, and it can 3523 02:53:21.719 --> 02:53:24.360 always tend to come back to aliens and UFOs, but 3524 02:53:24.479 --> 02:53:28.040 disclosure is spiritual disclosure. It's a disclosure of the self. Again, 3525 02:53:28.559 --> 02:53:31.879 like and that is that everything that's in the Bible, 3526 02:53:32.040 --> 02:53:34.879 all these things, not everything, but there are a lot 3527 02:53:35.079 --> 02:53:39.120 of extrasensory perceptions and experiences that can be invoked, like 3528 02:53:39.239 --> 02:53:42.600 divine experiences that can be vote invoked and initiated through 3529 02:53:42.639 --> 02:53:43.799 these certain practices. 3530 02:53:43.920 --> 02:53:46.159 And like humans can do it. They just have to 3531 02:53:46.280 --> 02:53:49.079 tap in the tools and. 3532 02:53:49.159 --> 02:53:51.440 Know that there are certain techniques that you can and 3533 02:53:51.559 --> 02:53:54.479 certain things you can do, things you can read, rituals 3534 02:53:54.559 --> 02:53:56.959 you can do. And I know there's like, oh, it's 3535 02:53:57.000 --> 02:53:59.840 a cult, it's pagan, it's it's it's Christian. 3536 02:54:00.000 --> 02:54:03.799 I want to throwing this is like it's it's so 3537 02:54:04.399 --> 02:54:07.280 it's not complicated, Like as long as you're working with 3538 02:54:07.440 --> 02:54:10.239 God and you're not abusing any of the medicines. 3539 02:54:10.280 --> 02:54:12.120 You're doing it in a safe way. You want it 3540 02:54:12.319 --> 02:54:14.319 best to do it in a legal way. Goes somewhere 3541 02:54:14.360 --> 02:54:15.000 where it's legal. 3542 02:54:15.399 --> 02:54:15.559 You know. 3543 02:54:15.920 --> 02:54:17.840 Don't do anything your mother wouldn't do. Tell your mother. 3544 02:54:17.959 --> 02:54:21.479 I bring my mom to all of my ceremonies, you know. 3545 02:54:21.559 --> 02:54:24.559 And I'm not kidding, you know, but I it's you 3546 02:54:24.719 --> 02:54:26.840 can do this shit like it's not. And I feel 3547 02:54:26.879 --> 02:54:28.799 like more than ever, people are waking up to this 3548 02:54:28.920 --> 02:54:31.760 truth because people like yourself on your show are sharing it. 3549 02:54:32.239 --> 02:54:34.280 And no, I actually feel the same way. And I 3550 02:54:34.440 --> 02:54:38.120 used to, you know, Jacob being Christian, me not being 3551 02:54:38.239 --> 02:54:40.520 that way. We used to get into arguments, like heated 3552 02:54:40.600 --> 02:54:44.000 debates over like what's what's the truth and what's real 3553 02:54:44.079 --> 02:54:46.479 and what's fiction and stuff like that. And I think 3554 02:54:46.559 --> 02:54:50.840 that just over time, I've been trying to transform my 3555 02:54:51.000 --> 02:54:54.399 mind to try and become more understanding rather than judgmental. 3556 02:54:54.840 --> 02:54:56.959 And so he would say, you know, there are things 3557 02:54:57.000 --> 02:54:59.879 in the Bible where God sees us as unclean rag 3558 02:55:00.239 --> 02:55:04.600 or the idea that we're just humans and you know, angels. 3559 02:55:04.639 --> 02:55:06.520 We can never be angels. We couldn't be spirits or 3560 02:55:06.559 --> 02:55:09.239 anything like that because we're human in a sense, I'm 3561 02:55:09.319 --> 02:55:11.600 putting mores in your mouth, but you get the roundabout it, jes. 3562 02:55:11.680 --> 02:55:13.879 So keep in mind God sees us as higher than angels, 3563 02:55:14.079 --> 02:55:18.680 just right, clear. So yeah, it's very clearly defined, right. 3564 02:55:18.920 --> 02:55:21.799 Angels have no free will. They are servants that have 3565 02:55:21.920 --> 02:55:23.559 to do as are told. He made them for a 3566 02:55:23.639 --> 02:55:26.239 certain purpose. He took extra time to give humans free 3567 02:55:26.319 --> 02:55:29.120 will and gave us the gift of life. And yes, 3568 02:55:29.239 --> 02:55:32.799 life is finite and not talk about reincarnation. This physical existence. 3569 02:55:33.120 --> 02:55:36.159 We have an end date, which makes every second more precious. 3570 02:55:36.159 --> 02:55:38.879 Angels don't have that. We are of a higher realm 3571 02:55:39.000 --> 02:55:41.920 than angels in God's eyes, but we are also born 3572 02:55:42.040 --> 02:55:44.879 into sin. We are as unclean rags quote unquote. What 3573 02:55:44.959 --> 02:55:47.159 I mean by that is that you're never going to 3574 02:55:47.360 --> 02:55:50.600 do enough to counteract the bad that you've done, the 3575 02:55:50.680 --> 02:55:52.239 ying and the yang of that. That might work in 3576 02:55:52.319 --> 02:55:54.840 a human perspective, but we as humans will never be 3577 02:55:55.159 --> 02:55:57.959 all pure, all good, because even if we did something 3578 02:55:58.000 --> 02:56:00.120 ten years ago and we're a better person now, we 3579 02:56:00.239 --> 02:56:02.600 still at one time did something ten years ago, and 3580 02:56:02.680 --> 02:56:05.559 that stain is on the record regardless. That's why we 3581 02:56:05.639 --> 02:56:09.079 need a savior to come and wash that record clean anyway, detracting. 3582 02:56:09.319 --> 02:56:13.239 Moving on, So, basically the idea that I've kind of 3583 02:56:14.879 --> 02:56:19.760 taken on this identity of understanding is that basically, yes, 3584 02:56:19.840 --> 02:56:22.799 I do believe that humans are as unclean rags in 3585 02:56:22.840 --> 02:56:25.600 the eyes of God in a sense, because. 3586 02:56:26.159 --> 02:56:29.600 You know, we do human things. We're animalistic in nature 3587 02:56:29.639 --> 02:56:32.120 in that kind of sense. But whenever you are able 3588 02:56:32.520 --> 02:56:36.600 to rise like almost like raise your own consciousness or 3589 02:56:36.680 --> 02:56:39.440 get to that meditative state, or become in union with 3590 02:56:39.559 --> 02:56:43.319 God and understand that everything around you is more than 3591 02:56:43.479 --> 02:56:46.639 just this physical reality that we always thought that it was. 3592 02:56:47.040 --> 02:56:49.840 You know, it's like think about it like this. Everybody 3593 02:56:50.000 --> 02:56:54.040 knows the name Buddha, right, nobody knows what his real 3594 02:56:54.159 --> 02:56:55.920 name was. I mean, unless you look it up. I 3595 02:56:56.000 --> 02:56:57.440 just looked it up because I forgot what it was. 3596 02:56:57.760 --> 02:56:57.879 Right. 3597 02:56:58.000 --> 02:57:01.280 His name is Siddhartha Guatama. I'm probably even butchering that. 3598 02:57:01.639 --> 02:57:04.920 But the reason is is because he ascended to this 3599 02:57:05.239 --> 02:57:11.079 Buddhist nature, this like divine understanding. And that's sid Arthur that. 3600 02:57:11.200 --> 02:57:14.159 Like everybody can become a Buddha. That's more like saying 3601 02:57:14.360 --> 02:57:17.239 a guru. Like somebody's name isn't guru. It's like a 3602 02:57:17.280 --> 02:57:19.479 thing that you're trying to attain to become a Buddha. 3603 02:57:19.719 --> 02:57:21.319 Yeah, in a sense, it's kind of like a title. 3604 02:57:21.440 --> 02:57:24.440 But initially he was like the first one, right, And 3605 02:57:24.520 --> 02:57:26.040 so the point that I'm trying to make is is 3606 02:57:26.120 --> 02:57:31.520 that his human self is Siddartha Guatama and his ascended 3607 02:57:31.639 --> 02:57:34.639 self or his higher vibratory self, that he understood that 3608 02:57:34.760 --> 02:57:37.799 he wasn't even a self anymore, like what is a 3609 02:57:37.920 --> 02:57:40.159 self whenever you're just mixing into the rest of the 3610 02:57:40.239 --> 02:57:42.840 matrix and becoming one with God. That was like his 3611 02:57:43.399 --> 02:57:46.719 name Buddha at that sense, right, And so I understand 3612 02:57:46.799 --> 02:57:49.319 or at least I'm coming to the understanding that like, yes, 3613 02:57:49.479 --> 02:57:53.440 this physical nature that we exist in, it is sinful. 3614 02:57:53.479 --> 02:57:56.360 In nature, it is dirty, It is as unclean rags 3615 02:57:56.520 --> 02:58:00.360 until you know, you kind of join forces with the 3616 02:58:00.440 --> 02:58:03.159 good forces in a sense, and you know, whether that 3617 02:58:03.319 --> 02:58:07.559 be through prayer or meditation or you know, plant medicine, ceremonies, 3618 02:58:07.680 --> 02:58:09.440 or maybe you figure it out in a dream or 3619 02:58:09.520 --> 02:58:13.440 something like that, Like it's something that almost exists outside 3620 02:58:13.479 --> 02:58:16.399 of your physical reality that you can then become and 3621 02:58:16.520 --> 02:58:20.280 almost like attach yourself to that and stop feeding so 3622 02:58:20.479 --> 02:58:23.000 much into the animalistic nature that it is to be 3623 02:58:23.120 --> 02:58:26.360 a human and wanting to consume and wanting to you know, 3624 02:58:26.600 --> 02:58:28.719 fuck all the time, and like all these kind of 3625 02:58:28.799 --> 02:58:32.600 things like that, I understand now why the human is 3626 02:58:32.719 --> 02:58:34.879 as dirty as an unclean rag at that point, you 3627 02:58:34.959 --> 02:58:37.360 know what I mean, Yeah, under And I mean. 3628 02:58:37.319 --> 02:58:40.520 Like looks like it's like there's a spiritual system update 3629 02:58:40.799 --> 02:58:43.920 and where we because we have the law free will, 3630 02:58:44.239 --> 02:58:47.559 we are resisting the system update. And it's like the 3631 02:58:47.639 --> 02:58:49.959 creator loves its creation so much that it's going to 3632 02:58:50.079 --> 02:58:52.399 let you choose when to be installed in the system. 3633 02:58:52.799 --> 02:58:55.319 But you have to willingly choose with your free will 3634 02:58:55.399 --> 02:58:58.840 to install into this higher intelligence. And you know, I 3635 02:58:58.920 --> 02:59:02.280 think that the thing because totally everything you said about 3636 02:59:02.280 --> 02:59:04.280 the Buddha like spot on, And you know there's people 3637 02:59:04.319 --> 02:59:07.760 that say that about Christ as that the word Christ 3638 02:59:08.319 --> 02:59:11.000 is actually a state of consciousness. People talk about Christ 3639 02:59:11.040 --> 02:59:13.799 and conscious like the drawings they'll do of like enlightenment 3640 02:59:13.920 --> 02:59:17.040 the sun like some people say that, and you know 3641 02:59:17.159 --> 02:59:19.440 that it is you can achieve a Christ did conscious. 3642 02:59:19.479 --> 02:59:21.639 Obviously that can be very heretical, Jacob, I don't mean 3643 02:59:21.680 --> 02:59:25.479 it in that way, no, but to you know, one 3644 02:59:25.520 --> 02:59:29.000 of the things too, which is interesting is we feel 3645 02:59:29.239 --> 02:59:33.120 like we are sort of stuck in this game of 3646 02:59:33.200 --> 02:59:36.680 semantics and we keep getting caught in these linguistic traps 3647 02:59:36.719 --> 02:59:39.479 and they're separating us, which is very tower of babble, Jacob. 3648 02:59:39.840 --> 02:59:41.959 But like even you're talking about sin, like if you 3649 02:59:42.040 --> 02:59:44.440 go to the origin of the word sin, it means 3650 02:59:44.639 --> 02:59:45.559 to miss the mark. 3651 02:59:45.959 --> 02:59:47.680 Yeah, I mean if so much of. 3652 02:59:47.760 --> 02:59:53.399 Us actually interpreted that those teachings as sin. Sometimes sin's 3653 02:59:53.440 --> 02:59:55.799 like so heavy, but to miss the mark, it's like 3654 02:59:55.879 --> 02:59:57.319 now we're talking about like it just a little off, 3655 02:59:57.520 --> 02:59:59.200 just a little keep going, just a little off, so 3656 02:59:59.399 --> 03:00:02.879 much more nurturing and so much more less, a little 3657 03:00:02.959 --> 03:00:03.440 less heavy. 3658 03:00:03.520 --> 03:00:05.479 And also like training, it's like missing the mark. If 3659 03:00:05.479 --> 03:00:07.120 you're like shooting a bow and arrow and you miss 3660 03:00:07.200 --> 03:00:09.319 the mark, you try again, and you like aim a 3661 03:00:09.360 --> 03:00:12.120 different way and you like stand, do your stance a 3662 03:00:12.159 --> 03:00:13.799 little bit different or whatever it is. So it's the 3663 03:00:13.840 --> 03:00:16.280 same thing with life. No matter what, all of us 3664 03:00:16.319 --> 03:00:18.479 are going to do stuff that fucks up and stumbles 3665 03:00:18.559 --> 03:00:21.920 and just whatever. But we if we don't, you know, 3666 03:00:22.200 --> 03:00:24.639 end up hurting ourselves. We can continue forward and like 3667 03:00:24.760 --> 03:00:25.559 try to adjust. 3668 03:00:26.239 --> 03:00:29.200 Yeah, And it's life is a journey. One percent. 3669 03:00:29.280 --> 03:00:32.959 Gotta dig it. Life's a garden, you know, Right, So Joe. 3670 03:00:32.840 --> 03:00:36.120 Dear Tay told us what you said, Joe did He's 3671 03:00:36.120 --> 03:00:37.639 saying Life's of garden. You gotta dig it. I'm like, 3672 03:00:37.680 --> 03:00:39.360 that's right, That's what Joe Deartay told us. 3673 03:00:41.040 --> 03:00:41.920 You know. 3674 03:00:41.959 --> 03:00:45.079 What's interesting is like we've learned a lot of different practices, 3675 03:00:45.079 --> 03:00:48.959 a lot of different like teachings. And we can't say 3676 03:00:49.000 --> 03:00:51.239 this for certain because obviously we can't say much for certain, 3677 03:00:51.719 --> 03:00:54.520 but like we've even come to believe that, like it 3678 03:00:54.680 --> 03:00:58.079 seems that there are like almost like energetic pathways that 3679 03:00:58.200 --> 03:01:01.159 are built between different cultures or unities of different things 3680 03:01:01.200 --> 03:01:04.239 they use. Some people call them like mantras or things 3681 03:01:04.319 --> 03:01:06.520 like that. And when we use like a healing practice 3682 03:01:06.600 --> 03:01:08.920 or a meditation, like there was a certain point where 3683 03:01:08.959 --> 03:01:11.799 we started we were taught teaching around using the term 3684 03:01:11.959 --> 03:01:15.000 raw and we would do this sort of like raw channeling, 3685 03:01:15.159 --> 03:01:17.360 and it was a very strong channel and it made 3686 03:01:17.440 --> 03:01:20.520 us go, oh, wow, is this like Egypt like because 3687 03:01:20.680 --> 03:01:22.680 that is a very old teaching and they have this 3688 03:01:22.879 --> 03:01:25.120 like path to God, you know, and you know, and 3689 03:01:25.440 --> 03:01:27.719 we don't we don't know this because we're not you know, 3690 03:01:27.760 --> 03:01:30.719 we're not devout Christians. But like we could see the 3691 03:01:30.799 --> 03:01:33.600 same thing there with Christianity, and that there is a 3692 03:01:34.120 --> 03:01:36.399 very thick channel because of all these people that I 3693 03:01:36.520 --> 03:01:38.319 practiced this. You know, I think at the end of 3694 03:01:38.360 --> 03:01:40.440 the day, like we're all talking about the same thing, 3695 03:01:40.760 --> 03:01:43.639 we're just calling it different things, and you know, kind 3696 03:01:43.639 --> 03:01:46.879 of like debating like the right and wrong, you know, to. 3697 03:01:46.879 --> 03:01:49.000 A garbage Definitely is that. 3698 03:01:49.360 --> 03:01:50.840 Definitely it does. 3699 03:01:51.120 --> 03:01:53.680 Everyone is literally talking about the exact same thing. They 3700 03:01:53.799 --> 03:01:55.959 just have different names, and the game of semantics is 3701 03:01:56.040 --> 03:01:58.319 like got us all tangled up instead of working together. 3702 03:01:58.399 --> 03:02:01.600 It's like it's so it's just like guys were just 3703 03:02:01.959 --> 03:02:04.559 on floating rock in space. Can we all just chill 3704 03:02:04.719 --> 03:02:05.399 for a second. 3705 03:02:05.559 --> 03:02:07.719 Have you heard the parable of like the ape, blind 3706 03:02:07.760 --> 03:02:09.159 Man and the Elephant? Have you heard this? 3707 03:02:09.600 --> 03:02:12.040 Yeah, yeah, yeah, no doubt. They're like one person's on 3708 03:02:12.079 --> 03:02:14.079 the trunk, one person's on the tail, one person's on 3709 03:02:14.159 --> 03:02:16.760 the foot, and they're all saying they're they're touching an elephant, 3710 03:02:16.799 --> 03:02:19.079 and it's like, y'all are all so far off base, 3711 03:02:19.159 --> 03:02:21.440 but at the same time so on the mark, right. 3712 03:02:21.559 --> 03:02:23.159 So it's like, so it's like life is like the 3713 03:02:23.239 --> 03:02:25.319 tail describes tale. Their life is like the trunk or 3714 03:02:25.360 --> 03:02:27.159 God's like the trunk, God's like the tail. Just have 3715 03:02:27.280 --> 03:02:29.440 the tail, God's like the League describes the League and 3716 03:02:29.559 --> 03:02:31.840 the ape blind men fight with each other over what 3717 03:02:32.040 --> 03:02:34.760 God is, by what part they can perceive, until they 3718 03:02:34.840 --> 03:02:37.520 fight and kill each other. And ultimately the story is 3719 03:02:37.600 --> 03:02:40.399 is that God designed us so we wouldn't have the 3720 03:02:40.440 --> 03:02:43.719 full picture. We were incapable, and we had to work 3721 03:02:43.799 --> 03:02:47.079 together to understand the full completion of the picture. So 3722 03:02:47.280 --> 03:02:50.559 it's like it's almost like our limitation is a part 3723 03:02:50.600 --> 03:02:53.559 of the program to force us to listen and work together. 3724 03:02:53.639 --> 03:02:54.920 And that is the ultimate point here. 3725 03:02:55.840 --> 03:02:58.239 Y'all are my kind of people. Dude. I freaking love 3726 03:02:58.319 --> 03:03:02.719 you guys. You guys are awesome. I love these kinds 3727 03:03:02.760 --> 03:03:05.520 of conversations. And we definitely have to do it again, 3728 03:03:05.639 --> 03:03:08.959 like there's no question about that. And also I would 3729 03:03:09.040 --> 03:03:12.239 love to have a ceremony with you at some point 3730 03:03:12.319 --> 03:03:15.000 in time because I've just I've only known you for 3731 03:03:15.040 --> 03:03:17.079 a couple hours and here I am putting my life 3732 03:03:17.120 --> 03:03:20.360 in your hands and it's like it's weird, but we're. 3733 03:03:20.280 --> 03:03:22.399 In the cult of conspiracy, that's for sure. We're in 3734 03:03:22.479 --> 03:03:25.520 the same cult. And then and yeah, anything you need, 3735 03:03:25.760 --> 03:03:28.280 like we love you too. We're honored to be on. 3736 03:03:28.799 --> 03:03:31.799 There's no coincidences your first show. We're really like guests on. 3737 03:03:31.879 --> 03:03:34.319 If you're ever in LA, we'll have you on Acid 3738 03:03:34.360 --> 03:03:36.840 for Squares. We'd love to have you on. We shoot 3739 03:03:36.920 --> 03:03:38.920 in studio though, that's the only reason we can't do 3740 03:03:39.000 --> 03:03:41.440 it remote. And that's right now, that's a hard fast rule. 3741 03:03:41.479 --> 03:03:43.399 But if you're ever here, we'll have you on. And 3742 03:03:43.440 --> 03:03:46.159 then yeah, where as far as the other stuff goes, 3743 03:03:46.840 --> 03:03:47.959 we'll talk about that offline. 3744 03:03:47.959 --> 03:03:51.280 We'll see where it goes. Yeah, man, Yeah, well well 3745 03:03:51.280 --> 03:03:53.479 all right, well we love you guys very much. And 3746 03:03:53.600 --> 03:03:56.280 if you could, could you tell all of our good 3747 03:03:56.360 --> 03:03:58.719 cult members out there with that third eye all the 3748 03:03:58.799 --> 03:04:01.399 way open where they can find you, your work and 3749 03:04:01.479 --> 03:04:03.360 everything that you're a part of in case they are 3750 03:04:03.559 --> 03:04:04.200 unaware of you. 3751 03:04:04.959 --> 03:04:05.200 Yeah. 3752 03:04:05.559 --> 03:04:09.200 So we're Acid for Squares on all social media platforms, 3753 03:04:09.319 --> 03:04:12.479 on YouTube, on TikTok, on x on whatever. It's just 3754 03:04:12.639 --> 03:04:15.079 Acid for Squares and yeah, that's it. 3755 03:04:15.319 --> 03:04:18.120 Yeah, give us a follow and subscribe. 3756 03:04:17.559 --> 03:04:19.040 Thank for fine Apple and all that. 3757 03:04:19.280 --> 03:04:21.760 Again. Yeah, we do a weekly show where we talk 3758 03:04:21.799 --> 03:04:26.120 about this stuff, and you know we're heavily censored, so 3759 03:04:26.520 --> 03:04:30.360 we could use the support obviously because the shit we 3760 03:04:30.479 --> 03:04:32.559 talk about is censored, but that lets us know we're 3761 03:04:32.600 --> 03:04:33.120 doing it right. 3762 03:04:33.239 --> 03:04:35.159 Yeah, and we're also going to a lot more stuff 3763 03:04:35.159 --> 03:04:37.520 outside the podcast with some digital shows coming up. We're 3764 03:04:37.559 --> 03:04:40.760 doing classes with really amazing teachers so people can again 3765 03:04:40.920 --> 03:04:42.440 get rid of the middleman and learn to do this 3766 03:04:42.440 --> 03:04:43.200 stuff themselves. 3767 03:04:43.600 --> 03:04:47.760 Yeah, and we're filmmakers. We're production company. Asked for squares 3768 03:04:47.760 --> 03:04:50.399 and we look to essentially because we couldn't get this 3769 03:04:50.479 --> 03:04:53.840 shit through the gatekeepers in Hollywood and at all the studios. 3770 03:04:54.120 --> 03:04:56.479 We're like, all right, we've been doing everything independently, but 3771 03:04:56.559 --> 03:04:58.559 we want to take this information bring it to people, 3772 03:04:58.879 --> 03:05:02.319 and we really want to merge science and spirituality to 3773 03:05:02.440 --> 03:05:04.639 sort of try to prove some of this stuff stuff 3774 03:05:04.639 --> 03:05:07.280 almost some of the ways the telepathy tapes just did 3775 03:05:07.479 --> 03:05:10.399 like really try to like, you know, if you're an abductee, 3776 03:05:10.399 --> 03:05:11.920 hook them up to a lot of attacker test if 3777 03:05:11.959 --> 03:05:14.079 it's bishar, you know, hook them up to a QEG 3778 03:05:14.280 --> 03:05:15.920 scan and you know, let's see what's happened in the 3779 03:05:15.959 --> 03:05:18.200 brain and do stuff like that. So yeah, if you 3780 03:05:18.360 --> 03:05:20.760 follow us, you'll see all that stuff come out, you 3781 03:05:20.799 --> 03:05:22.040 know this year here. 3782 03:05:22.440 --> 03:05:26.120 Hell yeah, dude, thank you guys us on the show. 3783 03:05:26.600 --> 03:05:29.280 Oh thank you, this was this was amazing guys. We 3784 03:05:29.399 --> 03:05:31.200 appreciate it absolutely. 3785 03:05:31.319 --> 03:05:33.879 And for anybody who like to see their gorgeous faces 3786 03:05:33.959 --> 03:05:36.479 rather than just hear their amazing voices, Jonathan tell them 3787 03:05:36.520 --> 03:05:37.120 where they can. 3788 03:05:37.040 --> 03:05:39.280 Go, Well, you can come check out patreon dot com 3789 03:05:39.360 --> 03:05:41.840 slash Cultive Conspiracy podcast That link is down in the 3790 03:05:41.840 --> 03:05:44.399 show notes below. We don't post any of our shit 3791 03:05:44.479 --> 03:05:46.879 to YouTube because YouTube banned us so many times. We 3792 03:05:47.120 --> 03:05:48.319 just lost patience with them. 3793 03:05:48.600 --> 03:05:49.399 And you know what we're not. 3794 03:05:49.520 --> 03:05:51.959 We're not gonna play by any kind of rules, and 3795 03:05:52.120 --> 03:05:54.959 that's why we're over at Patreon. Yes, I understand it's 3796 03:05:55.000 --> 03:05:57.000 behind a paywall, but if you want to be able 3797 03:05:57.040 --> 03:05:58.840 to have access to the shows a couple of days 3798 03:05:58.840 --> 03:06:02.120 in advance, completely commercial free, and be able to join 3799 03:06:02.239 --> 03:06:05.079 us every Tuesday night live at nine pm Central, you 3800 03:06:05.120 --> 03:06:07.479 can come join us at patreon dot com slash Cult 3801 03:06:07.520 --> 03:06:09.840 of Conspiracy Podcasts, and you just sign up for the 3802 03:06:10.079 --> 03:06:13.159 Third Eye all the way opened uh tier, and that 3803 03:06:13.239 --> 03:06:15.920 will get you access to the Tuesday night live shows. 3804 03:06:16.000 --> 03:06:18.079 And those shows are always so much fun. All the 3805 03:06:18.120 --> 03:06:21.159 cult members are just cramming all of our thoughts and 3806 03:06:21.239 --> 03:06:24.079 all of our brains and conspiracies and conjecture and all 3807 03:06:24.200 --> 03:06:26.479 that together in one show. And it's a good way 3808 03:06:26.680 --> 03:06:29.559 to be able to become part of this movement of 3809 03:06:29.719 --> 03:06:33.280 truth and understanding and and just you know, have a 3810 03:06:33.520 --> 03:06:35.600 cool collection of friends that you can shoot the shit with. 3811 03:06:35.879 --> 03:06:37.639 We look at all of our good cult members who 3812 03:06:37.760 --> 03:06:41.159 join us on Tuesday nights as family members at this point, like, 3813 03:06:41.280 --> 03:06:43.680 I see these people more than I see my own 3814 03:06:43.920 --> 03:06:46.879 like parents and my sister, my brother and all that 3815 03:06:47.040 --> 03:06:49.239 kind of stuff. And so it's just a great community, 3816 03:06:49.440 --> 03:06:52.719 very tight knit, very loving, very welcoming, and nothing is 3817 03:06:52.799 --> 03:06:53.840 too crazy to bring up. 3818 03:06:54.520 --> 03:06:58.799 And so let's not forget another major bonus of joining Patreon, 3819 03:06:58.920 --> 03:07:04.760 you will get listening listen. We understand we hate commercials 3820 03:07:04.799 --> 03:07:07.000 too on the Spotify and the Apple podcasts and the 3821 03:07:07.079 --> 03:07:08.879 things and the stuff that you're listening to us right now, 3822 03:07:09.159 --> 03:07:11.639 We fucking hate them too. Okay, if you would like 3823 03:07:11.719 --> 03:07:15.360 to listen to this unabashed by Nicki Glazer jumping over 3824 03:07:15.440 --> 03:07:17.559 every fifteen minutes to tell you about some new comedy 3825 03:07:17.559 --> 03:07:19.959 special coming in Patroon would be the best place to go. 3826 03:07:20.159 --> 03:07:21.479 Just want to make mention of that as well. 3827 03:07:21.879 --> 03:07:24.719 Yeah, dude, Yeah, that's the best way. And uh also 3828 03:07:24.799 --> 03:07:26.799 there's some knife hands that I think we need to 3829 03:07:26.799 --> 03:07:27.200 talk about. 3830 03:07:27.280 --> 03:07:29.319 There is, indeed, but before we get to the knife hands. Also, 3831 03:07:29.319 --> 03:07:30.840 if you would like to get your start in the 3832 03:07:31.000 --> 03:07:33.959 buying and selling and trading of silver and gold boy 3833 03:07:34.079 --> 03:07:36.479 and come check us out at cecsilver dot com. 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