Speaker 1: Good morning Michael, Good morning Dragon. Well he caught me
Speaker 1: in mid workouse. Sorry about the breathing.
Speaker 2: Dragon.
Speaker 1: I'm a little disappointed to hear your going on vacation
Speaker 1: and you're not going to be able to hear the
Speaker 1: iHeart Music Festival reveal. Don't worry, We'll hear about it
Speaker 1: for the next four months every segment, every commercial.
Speaker 2: See boys, fear not.
Speaker 3: That reveal is tomorrow at six am. I don't leave
Speaker 3: until Thursday, so I will be here right along with
Speaker 3: you guys with bated breath to know exactly who's going
Speaker 3: to be at the iHeart Music Festival.
Speaker 2: Oh so that's what the reveal is. Who's going to
Speaker 2: be at theeart Yeah, tomorrow, six am. Dude, I haven't
Speaker 2: seen any emails. Are we supposed to do anything about that?
Speaker 2: Not us?
Speaker 3: They typically relegate that to the FMS. Well, there's a
Speaker 3: hard roadblock at roughly that time, I would bet.
Speaker 2: Yeah. I'm just shocked that I had no clue that
Speaker 2: we didn't know or cared who was.
Speaker 3: Going to be at the iHeart Now, yeah, tomorrow tomorrow
Speaker 3: to be a big deal.
Speaker 2: Okay, yeah, all right, big deal because when I think
Speaker 2: back of all the other acts that have been at
Speaker 2: the r Heart Music Festival. I couldn't name you one.
Speaker 3: Uh they played as well as them?
Speaker 2: Oh they've played too. Yeah, I didn't realize they were there.
Speaker 2: Had I known they were there, I would have gone
Speaker 2: to see them. And we can't forget about him. Oh
Speaker 2: but will she be there? Misurprise appearance? Who knows? Well?
Speaker 2: But the biggest question is will Z be there or
Speaker 2: is it her z? I R will be there? Right? Oh, right, right?
Speaker 2: I got nothing as dumb enough as it is as
Speaker 2: we are. There's uh no, I'm not ever known that path.
Speaker 2: So I did I confess that I bought Tapper's book?
Speaker 3: Yes, you, before you even left, you said that you
Speaker 3: had got it. I think it was like a day
Speaker 3: or so after it came out, but or maybe even
Speaker 3: the day of, because you were asking listeners as to
Speaker 3: what to do. You did say that you were you
Speaker 3: bought it. You read a couple of chapters.
Speaker 2: Oh that's right, I'd read like maybe thirty forty pages
Speaker 2: or something exactly. Okay, we're going to have a full
Speaker 2: book report when you came back. Yes, this is the
Speaker 2: book report session. But I need to kind of I
Speaker 2: need to play the groundwork for it, so I did.
Speaker 2: I forget what day it was, but one day before
Speaker 2: I left on vacation, I drove over to the first
Speaker 2: not that I don't trust my producer, but I don't
Speaker 2: trust my producer, who had told me that the Barnes
Speaker 2: and Noble return policy was that as long as you
Speaker 2: have your receipt, you can return any book. Well the
Speaker 2: thirty days I think it was. There's a thirty day
Speaker 2: wind though. However, not trusting my producer, which I don't
Speaker 2: understand why I don't, I thought maybe I should read
Speaker 2: the return policy myself because if i'm will show out
Speaker 2: call with taxes. I think it was like twenty nine bucks.
Speaker 2: I want to make shreck get my twenty nine bucks back,
Speaker 2: because even though I thought about giving the book to
Speaker 2: like Tamera's school or what, I decided, no, I'm not. No,
Speaker 2: I want to be able to give them money and
Speaker 2: take away the money. So I drove so I checked
Speaker 2: and hang on real quick.
Speaker 3: I just want to let you know that because we
Speaker 3: kind of talked a little bout about seeing if the
Speaker 3: listeners would pay us in order to go.
Speaker 2: Oh yes, right right, we we got, we got, we
Speaker 2: got money. You said you got like nineteen cents or something.
Speaker 2: In twenty seven, you got thirty three three.
Speaker 3: Cents from Mike. Oh, Mike or Michael's Venmo is still
Speaker 3: unknown to me. Here's some sense for you to give
Speaker 3: to Mike or Michael for that book or not. It's
Speaker 3: yours now, okay.
Speaker 2: Okay, Well, I want you to keep that in your
Speaker 2: Venmo account, so that when you're in Tokyo, the most
Speaker 2: expensive city in the entire world, you'll have what was
Speaker 2: it sixty cents, you'll have which will not get you
Speaker 2: anything that I know of in Tokyo, but enjoy. So
Speaker 2: the return policy is, uh, it cannot be read or
Speaker 2: appear to have been read. The dust jacket has to
Speaker 2: be in pristine. I don't think they use the word pristine,
Speaker 2: but you know, it can't have any tears or smudges
Speaker 2: or copy stains on or anything like that. The book
Speaker 2: binding has to be it can't be cracked. So how
Speaker 2: does a book not appear to be read? Well? Apparently
Speaker 2: apparently I succeeded in doing that because I took I
Speaker 2: took the book, I get the book, I take it
Speaker 2: out to the car, I set it in the back seat.
Speaker 2: I don't want like if I have to slam on
Speaker 2: the brakes. I don't want this going into the floor.
Speaker 2: Super careful, I'm super careful. I get home, I take
Speaker 2: the dust jacket off, put it down in my office,
Speaker 2: and then I take the book to New Mexico and
Speaker 2: I read it. You know, you know how you tend
Speaker 2: to you don't even crack the spine. I don't crack
Speaker 2: the spine at all. It was really difficult because I'm
Speaker 2: just I'm holding the pages down, and I'm also because
Speaker 2: it was really rainy. So and the light in the
Speaker 2: undisclosed location is not the greatest. It's not like the
Speaker 2: crappy lights we have in here. It seemed crappier down there.
Speaker 2: But I do have a floor land next to my chair.
Speaker 2: But I'm having to move to get the like you know,
Speaker 2: I got these old fart eyes and I can't see
Speaker 2: that way. But I read the book, bring it back home,
Speaker 2: put the cover on, put the receipt in. I walk
Speaker 2: up to the counter and I said, I'd like to
Speaker 2: return this book. And she's no problem. She takes the book.
Speaker 2: She glances at it and she goes, oh this one again. No,
Speaker 2: But after all the care I took to make sure
Speaker 2: that there was no question that it was in pristine condition,
Speaker 2: she said. She pulled the receipt out, she takes the book,
Speaker 2: and she tosses it into a box. Yes, and then
Speaker 2: she said, may I ask why you're returning it? And
Speaker 2: for that nanosecond in my brain I wanted to say
Speaker 2: because the book sucked, But I said, well, I bought
Speaker 2: it for a friend and the friend already had it.
Speaker 2: She means, You're like, oh, okay, just whatever do you
Speaker 2: do you want store credit or do you want back
Speaker 2: on your credit card? So I just I want to
Speaker 2: credit on my credit card. So she gave me my
Speaker 2: twenty nine whatever it was back, So Jake Tapper got
Speaker 2: no money from me, and I got to read the book. Now,
Speaker 2: having said all of that, I'm really pissed that I
Speaker 2: read the book. I'm really pissed at myself having read
Speaker 2: the book. Asked me what I learned that I did
Speaker 2: not know? Michael? What did you learn that you did
Speaker 2: not already know the names of the four or five
Speaker 2: members of what they referred to as the polit bureau
Speaker 2: that was running the White House. You think back during
Speaker 2: those four years, Dragon, how many times did we say,
Speaker 2: aren't we curious who it is, it's actually running things.
Speaker 2: Two yeah, time or two. Well, now we know who
Speaker 2: it is, and I would say it's probably some of
Speaker 2: the former staffers that work for Barack Obama that are
Speaker 2: now on the Biden staff. And sure enough, thy of
Speaker 2: them were Anita Dunn and a couple of others. But
Speaker 2: the really you're the pullet bureau was a guy by
Speaker 2: the name of Raschetti or Racketti or something to that effect,
Speaker 2: who was Jill Biden's I'm I'm so sorry, I'm out
Speaker 2: of practice. I've been on vacation. Some guy named Roshetti
Speaker 2: who was doctor Jill Biden's chief of staff. He became
Speaker 2: the titular head of this pullet bureau. It was running everything,
Speaker 2: and everybody was scared of him, and so they all
Speaker 2: pretty much just did whatever he said. If there was
Speaker 2: a decision to be made, and he did it, he
Speaker 2: just did it. So you had doctor Jill Biden's chief
Speaker 2: of staff, you had three members of the old Obama team,
Speaker 2: and you had ron Klain, who was kind of in
Speaker 2: and out, who was Biden's chief of staff. I think
Speaker 2: he was gone for the last year or so, but
Speaker 2: he was still part of the pulot Bureau that still
Speaker 2: helped him make the decision. So that was the only
Speaker 2: thing I learned. With some names, the book was such
Speaker 2: bull crap. But here's what I really want you to
Speaker 2: comprehend about it. Let me just describe the book in general.
Speaker 2: First of all, I seriously, seriously recommend you not buy
Speaker 2: this book. And unless you're just a total political method
Speaker 2: like I am, don't read the book, because you really won't.
Speaker 2: I don't know. I take that back. Having worked in
Speaker 2: the White House myself, having worked for a president, having
Speaker 2: you know, been in that in the sub cabinet, I
Speaker 2: understand how things work, and you not having that experience,
Speaker 2: there might be some interesting things in there. So I
Speaker 2: can't tell you do not go read it, but check
Speaker 2: it out from the light, from from the library or something.
Speaker 2: Two hundred. Just listen to this for a minute. Here's
Speaker 2: here's what I wrote down about the book. It draws
Speaker 2: on two hundred interviews with Democrat insiders, interviews with White
Speaker 2: House staffers, congressional leaders including Chuck Schumer, Nancy Pelosi, Hakeem Jefferies,
Speaker 2: Congressman Climber. I'm sure there's some others. Come off the
Speaker 2: top of my head. Uh. Donors Democrat donors, including the
Speaker 2: big wigs like George Clooney and other just you know,
Speaker 2: random political people. Now, why do I spell out who
Speaker 2: they interviewed? Well, why would you interview these people unless
Speaker 2: they knew something? They all knew something. Oh, I left
Speaker 2: out another group. There's another group. I forgot to mention.
Speaker 2: They also listed Cabinet member nine, number one, Cabinet member
Speaker 2: number two, Cabinet member number three. They talked to or
Speaker 2: tried to get some information out of Cackle and Kamala Harris.
Speaker 2: They did interview some of her staffers. Every single one
Speaker 2: knew what was going on. They all knew. Now, in particular,
Speaker 2: I want to emphasize the cabinet members because of the
Speaker 2: twenty fifth Amendment. Now, if for the just for the
Speaker 2: sake of argument, if three dragon, if three people in
Speaker 2: this building know something that those three people are trying
Speaker 2: to keep confidential, how many people in this building really
Speaker 2: know about what they're trying to keep confidential? More than half,
Speaker 2: if not all, so, at least fifty one hundred people
Speaker 2: or something. Yeah, if three cabinet members know something, how
Speaker 2: many cabinet members know something? All of them, all of them.
Speaker 2: If a vice president knows now, granted she's a little schizophrenic.
Speaker 2: But if if one part of Kamala Harris's brain knows something,
Speaker 2: oh never mind, the other parts of the brain probably
Speaker 2: don't know anything. She'll never forget that one. That one
Speaker 2: doesn't really work. The point is they all knew. There
Speaker 2: was really nothing new in this book. When I think
Speaker 2: back on four years of talking about Joe Biden, there
Speaker 2: was nothing in this book that to me was new,
Speaker 2: other than the specific names that some of the people involved.
Speaker 2: They never named the three cabinet members. Cabinet member in
Speaker 2: one and two are mentioned quite often. Cabinet member number
Speaker 2: three is not really mentioned until near the end of
Speaker 2: the book, and it was so innocuous I don't really
Speaker 2: remember much about it. They do go into some detail
Speaker 2: about the process that led up to Biden withdrawing from
Speaker 2: the race, and the only thing I shouldn't say the
Speaker 2: only thing, but one of the things I did find
Speaker 2: interesting was Chuck Schumer's his description of his drive to
Speaker 2: either Rehobe or Wilmington. I forget which place they went
Speaker 2: to Delaware, because Chucky had decided he had to tell
Speaker 2: his good friend he shouldn't be running the staff. Remember
Speaker 2: when those times that Joe Biden would talk about, well,
Speaker 2: the poll numbers are good for me. You know, I
Speaker 2: can beat Trump. Everything's looking good. He honestly believed that
Speaker 2: because the staff kept the three main Democrat pollsters who
Speaker 2: kept trying to get meetings with the Politbureau because they
Speaker 2: were hearing what Biden was saying on TV. They were
Speaker 2: trying to protect their reputations because what Biden was saying
Speaker 2: on television or radio or in speeches was one hundred
Speaker 2: and eighty degrees opposite of what they're polling data showed,
Speaker 2: and they kept trying to get in to speak to
Speaker 2: Biden so that they could describe to Biden, Hey, listen,
Speaker 2: mister president, you can't beat him. Things are a lot
Speaker 2: worse than you've been told. Well, they kept them at Bay,
Speaker 2: so I guess that's something else I learned that might
Speaker 2: be a little different. They provide a little bit of
Speaker 2: granular detail about Biden's decline. They go through all of
Speaker 2: the ones that we talked about, the ones about the
Speaker 2: discussion about with Jake Tapper about him talking about the
Speaker 2: most transparent president ever in terms of his health, He'll
Speaker 2: be telling all the truth about that. Tapper talks about
Speaker 2: that they talk about they saw exactly what we saw
Speaker 2: at D Day, that what we saw at the G
Speaker 2: seven or the G twenty, whichever it was all And
Speaker 2: remember when they were all doing the it was it
Speaker 2: was Black History Month or whatever it was, and they
Speaker 2: were all dancing, you know, and you know, driving around,
Speaker 2: and he was just standing there. They talked about how
Speaker 2: he was always gaping with his mouth just you know,
Speaker 2: not no clueless. That when they would have cabinet meetings
Speaker 2: that those some cabinet members had not seen the president
Speaker 2: for more than a year. That's unfathomable to me. But yes,
Speaker 2: that those who had not seen him for a year
Speaker 2: near the end, when they would have those televised cabinet meetings,
Speaker 2: that they would describe themselves as in total shock and disbelief. Now,
Speaker 2: let me talk briefly about the autopin. Everybody's making a
Speaker 2: big deal out of the autopin. I think they are.
Speaker 2: They're they're chasing they're they're chasing their own tails. And
Speaker 2: the reason for that is the use of the autopin
Speaker 2: to sign things, even other than proclamations or letters to constituents.
Speaker 2: You know, you write the right or birthday greetings, whatever
Speaker 2: the kind of crap. Course mean, there's there's hundreds of thousands,
Speaker 2: if not millions, of pieces of correspondence that come out
Speaker 2: of the White House that are autopin with President's signature.
Speaker 2: I've never said anything to my My sister has a
Speaker 2: She and Ronald Reagan shared the same birthday, and Reagan
Speaker 2: sent her a really nice letter. It's autopin. You can
Speaker 2: you can if you've ever had, like I had an
Speaker 2: autopen when I was the undersecretary, you can tell an
Speaker 2: autopin signature from a real signature because what they do
Speaker 2: now autopans have vastly improved since I had You know,
Speaker 2: when I had an autopan, it was twenty years ago.
Speaker 2: The technology has vastly improved. But you can tell an
Speaker 2: autopen signature from an actual signature in many different ways.
Speaker 2: You know, every time you sign something, uh, pressure points
Speaker 2: are different. You you know, you're it's not always exactly
Speaker 2: the same. Well, autopins are all exactly the same. But
Speaker 2: chasing this as some controversy, I'm not really sure there's
Speaker 2: a controversy there. Explain why.
Speaker 4: Hey, Michael, I'm really surprised you didn't go for the
Speaker 4: audible version of Jake Tapper's book, Original Son. I got
Speaker 4: it the other day, and well, here's the first sentence.
Speaker 2: What I some books I like the audio versions, but
Speaker 2: some books that I really want to read, I prefer hardbacks.
Speaker 2: I hate reading on my iPad or Kendall for that
Speaker 2: matter of tame, I just don't like them. But the
Speaker 2: last thing I wanted to do was listen to Jake Tapper.
Speaker 2: So Jake Tapper, the I think probably the first major
Speaker 2: interview that he did post publication was, in fact, let
Speaker 2: me look at the date of this, I think it
Speaker 2: was with Megan Kelly, and she started, she didn't hold
Speaker 2: any punches. I listened to the entire interview because having
Speaker 2: read the book, I was curious what his reaction would
Speaker 2: be to many of the questions that I had heard
Speaker 2: that Megan Kelly had asked. And one of the first
Speaker 2: questions was, and I'm just paraphrasing here is first with
Speaker 2: regard to Alex Thompson, his co author. Alex had been
Speaker 2: planning to write a book about Biden, but I forget
Speaker 2: what the topic was. But the publisher rejected that book.
Speaker 2: But Thompson continued to keep notes about what he observed
Speaker 2: as he continued to report on the Biden White House
Speaker 2: for Axios. So the point I'm making is he's watching, observing,
Speaker 2: and making notes about what's happening, anticipating that he would
Speaker 2: write a book. Now, he didn't know at the time
Speaker 2: that he started his original book that that would get
Speaker 2: you know, deep six by the publisher and that he'd
Speaker 2: have to turn to Jake and he and Jake would
Speaker 2: partner up to do this book. But Tapper admits that
Speaker 2: he was doing a book too. He was going to
Speaker 2: to keep he was keeping all these notes about what
Speaker 2: he was observing. So these two s heads, these two
Speaker 2: dirt bags, continue to lie as much as the administration lied.
Speaker 2: So Megan's first question was, and again paraphrasing, so conservative
Speaker 2: media was observing all of these things, Georgia Molonia at
Speaker 2: D Day, trying to get the president to come back,
Speaker 2: Obama leading him off the stage. And in fact, one
Speaker 2: of the interesting parts of the book was the backstage
Speaker 2: encounter that George Clooney had with Biden before they did
Speaker 2: the you know, the interview out front with Jimmy Kimmel
Speaker 2: or whoever it was, I don't care, and Clooney talks
Speaker 2: about how he was literally shocked by what he saw.
Speaker 2: So Megan goes through this whole lengthy question about we
Speaker 2: all saw this, the conservative media, conservative news sources, Fox News,
Speaker 2: an Newsmax, everybody is reporting on it, even you know,
Speaker 2: at some point even the New York Times makes a
Speaker 2: few comments about it.
Speaker 1: But you.
Speaker 2: And the left wing media continued to say that we
Speaker 2: shouldn't believe our eyes. Cheap remember, cheap fakes whatever they
Speaker 2: called some of the videos. So why is it that
Speaker 2: we saw it but you didn't, and why didn't you
Speaker 2: report on it?
Speaker 5: It's a tough and fair question. I would say that
Speaker 5: Alex and I after election day interviewed more than two
Speaker 5: hundred people, two hundred mostly Democratic insiders in all these
Speaker 5: interviews were almost all of these interviews were or after
Speaker 5: the election, and they justified to themselves what they had
Speaker 5: done in terms of misrepresenting how the president was, not
Speaker 5: just to me and Alex and other reporters, but also
Speaker 5: just to each other.
Speaker 2: That's a subtle shift to blame. Oh, we were keeping notes, Yes,
Speaker 2: he admits they were keeping notes, But all these insiders were,
Speaker 2: as he says, justifying what they were hiding from us.
Speaker 2: So what's he doing? He's trying to blame other people,
Speaker 2: not himself.
Speaker 5: Into the world and to Democrats into the cabinet, etc.
Speaker 5: By saying that there was this existential threat of Donald
Speaker 5: Trump and only Joe Biden could be Donald Trump, and
Speaker 5: that justified everything in their minds. After that existential threat
Speaker 5: was over, because the election was over and Donald Trump won,
Speaker 5: they were We found Alex and myself remarkably willing to
Speaker 5: talk to us, either off record or on background or
Speaker 5: in some cases on the record about what they saw.
Speaker 5: One of the things that emerged was that there were
Speaker 5: two bidens. One was the fine Biden, serviceable, adequate, and
Speaker 5: the other one was as a non functioning Biden. And
Speaker 5: that's the one we saw the night of the debate,
Speaker 5: and that's the one we saw some clips up here
Speaker 5: and there that you just showed. And that non functioning Biden,
Speaker 5: the one that lost his train of thought in a
Speaker 5: significant way, not in the way just that every human
Speaker 5: loses their train of thought, but in a way that
Speaker 5: shows that he's having trouble articulating his very views. And
Speaker 5: the one who forgot the name of close aids, who
Speaker 5: was not able to come up with George Clooney's name,
Speaker 5: didn't seem to recognize him.
Speaker 2: All.
Speaker 5: That sort of thing that non functioning Biden was, according
Speaker 5: to our reporting, showed up as far back as twenty fifteen.
Speaker 2: Twenty fifteen, according to our reporting, showed up as far
Speaker 2: back as twenty fifteen.
Speaker 5: After the death of bo or One. Top Aid said
Speaker 5: that that tragedy, the loss of bo was like watching
Speaker 5: somebody pour water on sand.
Speaker 2: That was the effect on his psyche.
Speaker 5: And there were other moments twenty seventeen, twenty eighteen.
Speaker 2: You hear some the her report.
Speaker 5: One of the reasons he came to that conclusion was
Speaker 5: because of the recordings they heard of Joe Biden in
Speaker 5: twenty seventeen talking to his ghostwriter, in which he was
Speaker 5: similarly inclined. Obviously, in twenty nineteen, twenty twenty, there were
Speaker 5: other moments like that. Most of his campaign staff and
Speaker 5: others would say that he's you look, he's seventy eight,
Speaker 5: he's seventy nine, He has senior moments, but he's fine,
Speaker 5: he's fine, he's fine.
Speaker 2: Well, he wasn't fine.
Speaker 5: And throughout his presidency, that non functioning Biden would show
Speaker 5: up more and more and more, and he was worse
Speaker 5: and worse and worse.
Speaker 2: Really deteriorating tremendously.
Speaker 5: The next time, there was a really horrible family incident,
Speaker 5: which was when Hunter Biden's pleading all fell apart in
Speaker 5: the summer of twenty twenty three, and then obviously in
Speaker 5: June he was convicted, and the thought the fear of
Speaker 5: losing his son, not to jail, but maybe to another
Speaker 5: to a relapse, to an overdose, to a suicide, who knows,
Speaker 5: was a very real fear, and the threat of losing
Speaker 5: a third child who really just diminished him tremendously, according
Speaker 5: to top aides. So all which is to say that
Speaker 5: this was a deterioration, was a this was a progression.
Speaker 5: And look, knowing what I know now.
Speaker 2: This is really key right here. Look knowing what I
Speaker 2: know now, but you you kind of did. Obviously.
Speaker 5: I feel tremendous humility about my coverage that Laura Trump interviewed,
Speaker 5: for example, et cetera. She saw something, she saw something
Speaker 5: that I did not see at the time, one hundred percent.
Speaker 5: And I own that I did ask Joe Biden to
Speaker 5: be transparent about his health records in an interview in
Speaker 5: twenty twenty I did ask him about the fact that
Speaker 5: voters then he was thought that he power balls, and
Speaker 5: indeed he wasn't at all.
Speaker 2: He wasn't transparent about it at all. So they're trying
Speaker 2: to shift the blame. And now he's trying to claim humility,
Speaker 2: because well, as long as I can claim humility, then
Speaker 2: I get a pass. I learned my lesson. You know,
Speaker 2: I read all of that as an admission, surrounded by
Speaker 2: all these words that I knew what was going on,
Speaker 2: but because of my network, because of my job the
Speaker 2: host of what is it, the lead with Jake Tabber,
Speaker 2: whatever is program. I mean, he's an anchor on CNN.
Speaker 2: He's probably right now other than Wolf blitzerly, in fact,
Speaker 2: he may be the Dean of the Sea and then
Speaker 2: crew for all I know, I only Will Blitter may
Speaker 2: be ahead of him. He's just trying to shift the blame.
Speaker 2: This is the cabal in operation. This is precisely when
Speaker 2: I talk about the cabal and how they're all intertwined.
Speaker 2: All these people that he refers to, that he talked to,
Speaker 2: that he interviewed some on the record, off the record. Well,
Speaker 2: if I recall the book correctly, most of it was
Speaker 2: off the record because they're still afraid or for whatever
Speaker 2: reason they want to say anything, and I think they
Speaker 2: don't want to say anything because they know precisely how
Speaker 2: dangerous it was for the country and for come. I
Speaker 2: think this kills I don't think she could have made it.
Speaker 2: I don't think she could have gotten the Democrat nomination anyway.
Speaker 2: But I think this kills any any chance of Kamala
Speaker 2: Harris getting the nomination because she was an active participant
Speaker 2: in the cover up of Joe Biden's decline. Now real quickly,
Speaker 2: when we get back, I just want to touch on
Speaker 2: the autopin because many people believe the autopin is some
Speaker 2: sort of smoking gun that's going to destroy everything that
Speaker 2: Biden did for four years. I think they're wrong. You know,
Speaker 2: I could be wrong, but I just kind of think that.
Speaker 6: This free Palestine, pro Palestine, pro Homas wing of the
Speaker 6: Democrat Party is going to damage the Democrat Party in
Speaker 6: ways that we haven't seen yet and ensure that they're
Speaker 6: a losing party going into the at least the near future.
Speaker 2: Could be. It's all a matter of timing and how
Speaker 2: fast things degenerate versus how quickly Republicans can get their
Speaker 2: freaking act together and do stuff right, which is always questionable.
Speaker 2: Real quickly. So the Department of Justice has what's called
Speaker 2: the Office of Legal Counsel. It's basically the lawyers for
Speaker 2: the lawyers, and they issued an opinion back in two
Speaker 2: thousand and five that concluded that the use of an
Speaker 2: auto pen to sign legislation is constitutional. And they claim
Speaker 2: it's constitutional because Article one, section seven requires the president
Speaker 2: to quote sign a bill to approve it, but does
Speaker 2: not specify that the signature must be manually affixed. And
Speaker 2: they go on, I mean, it's a somewhat complicated legal opinion,
Speaker 2: but talks about how the president still needs to authorize
Speaker 2: the use of the autopen so that we can know
Speaker 2: the intent. Now, that gets us to the issue of Biden.
Speaker 2: Obama used it to sign legislation. In fact, he signed
Speaker 2: an extension of the Patriot Act in I think twenty
Speaker 2: eleven twelve, I forget, I think it's twenty eleven when
Speaker 2: he was overseas, and did he authorized it to be
Speaker 2: signed by autopin And of course Republicans threw a fit
Speaker 2: about it and said no, no, no, you got to sign
Speaker 2: him in person, which I don't allow him. They could
Speaker 2: a fed extra to him, and they could a fed
Speaker 2: extra back. I don't get what the big deal was,
Speaker 2: but anyway, he usually all appended to do it. But
Speaker 2: here's the problem with the Republicans going after this. It
Speaker 2: will be fairly easy for everybody in the Biden pilot Bureau,
Speaker 2: as described in Tapper's book, to claim that, yes, the
Speaker 2: President authorized us to do this, and then they're going
Speaker 2: to go ask Biden if they could ever get him
Speaker 2: to you agree to an interview, which he probably wouldn't,
Speaker 2: which kills the whole issue there. But if they were
Speaker 2: to agree to an interview, Biden could simply say, uh, yeah,
Speaker 2: I told him they should use the pen, and they
Speaker 2: always came and told me when they use the pin,
Speaker 2: so I knew about it. How are you going to
Speaker 2: prove that he didn't know about it? How are you
Speaker 2: going to approve that they use it without his authorization?
Speaker 2: How's that going to happen? How are you going to
Speaker 2: prove the negative? So I think this chase is pure political.
Speaker 2: In fact, I would offer to Congressman Comber, move on.
Speaker 2: Move on, and if you and if you think or
Speaker 2: believe that it's unconstitutional for the president to sign legislation
Speaker 2: or an executive voter with an auto pen, then pass
Speaker 2: a law you have a majority in the House in
Speaker 2: the Senate, pass a law that requires the President to
Speaker 2: do that, and then let that get to the US
Speaker 2: Supreme Court to be tested. Otherwise, focus on taxes and
Speaker 2: spending and defense.
Speaker 1: Please