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How 36 00:01:49.640 --> 00:01:53.480 does a high school valedictorian, former member of the famed 37 00:01:53.560 --> 00:01:57.560 one hundred and first Airborne, respected church, deacon, husband and 38 00:01:57.680 --> 00:02:00.879 father of three end up with a first remurder conviction 39 00:02:01.000 --> 00:02:05.239 and serving life without parole. Deacon's Crossbow is a bone 40 00:02:05.319 --> 00:02:09.840 chilling and compelling work of true crime about fate, fear, facts, 41 00:02:09.960 --> 00:02:13.439 and personality, especially that of convict Donald S. 42 00:02:13.560 --> 00:02:17.159 Graham. Donald and his wife were driving home from dance 43 00:02:17.280 --> 00:02:20.240 lessons when they happened upon two men on Interstate ninety 44 00:02:20.319 --> 00:02:24.639 five in Massachusetts. When Donald reached for his crossbow, all 45 00:02:24.719 --> 00:02:27.879 hell broke loose. The end result, the mail driver is 46 00:02:27.960 --> 00:02:29.879 dead and the deacon is in prison. For the rest 47 00:02:29.919 --> 00:02:33.120 of his life. He will follow a labyrinth of events 48 00:02:33.199 --> 00:02:36.000 from the incident all the way to the present. The 49 00:02:36.080 --> 00:02:38.840 story is unique because it includes mister Graham's views and 50 00:02:38.919 --> 00:02:42.599 sentiments from within the walls of incarceration, as well as 51 00:02:42.719 --> 00:02:47.759 perspectives from a freeman. The author was justice served or 52 00:02:48.000 --> 00:02:50.560 was the driver the aggressor and the deacon the victim. 53 00:02:51.919 --> 00:02:54.599 The book that were featuring this evening is Deacon's Crossbow, 54 00:02:55.120 --> 00:02:58.159 The True Story of a crossbow killing on Interstate ninety five, 55 00:02:58.719 --> 00:03:02.400 with my special guests, author David G. Brown. Welcome to 56 00:03:02.479 --> 00:03:04.319 the program, and thank you very much for agreeing to 57 00:03:04.400 --> 00:03:11.240 this interview. David G. Brown, Thank you, thanks a lot. 58 00:03:11.439 --> 00:03:13.000 Thank you, Dan, it's good to be here. 59 00:03:14.400 --> 00:03:18.800 Thank you very much for joining us. Let's talk right 60 00:03:18.879 --> 00:03:22.199 away with how you came to be the author of 61 00:03:22.319 --> 00:03:29.599 this your relationship to this story, and how you decided 62 00:03:29.680 --> 00:03:32.360 the decision to be the author of Deacon's Crossbow. 63 00:03:36.159 --> 00:03:40.719 Well, Dan, believe it or not, it started with a nightmare, 64 00:03:41.840 --> 00:03:49.759 and it started ten years after the road rage experience occurred. 65 00:03:50.000 --> 00:03:56.199 Event occurred, and it was I do mention this in 66 00:03:56.280 --> 00:04:02.120 the book. I had intended on starting the book telling 67 00:04:02.199 --> 00:04:04.879 how it was a nightmare, but I opted to go 68 00:04:05.039 --> 00:04:10.280 directly to the scene the incident. But I woke up 69 00:04:10.319 --> 00:04:11.840 in the middle of the night. We were living in 70 00:04:11.919 --> 00:04:18.079 California at the time. I was wearing a T shirt 71 00:04:18.120 --> 00:04:22.079 while I was sleeping, and my t shirt was all sweaty, 72 00:04:22.120 --> 00:04:27.639 and I had a dream of Donald Graham and we 73 00:04:27.759 --> 00:04:33.079 were in the desert and I'm walking along on the 74 00:04:33.160 --> 00:04:37.120 top of a mason and I heard someone shouting in 75 00:04:37.199 --> 00:04:39.839 the distance, and I came to the edge of a 76 00:04:39.959 --> 00:04:43.480 cliff and there was Done, holding on for dear life 77 00:04:43.519 --> 00:04:47.000 to a branch of a dead of a tree, and 78 00:04:47.079 --> 00:04:49.839 he's looking up at me and he's yelling, Hey, help me. 79 00:04:51.600 --> 00:04:57.199 I woke up the next morning and I shared the 80 00:04:57.319 --> 00:05:00.759 incident with my wife, and she said to me, you've 81 00:05:00.800 --> 00:05:03.000 got to write about this. You've always loved to write. 82 00:05:03.399 --> 00:05:06.199 You got yourself a heck of a story here, and 83 00:05:06.360 --> 00:05:12.120 lo and behold, about three years later I had I 84 00:05:12.240 --> 00:05:13.279 had a book published. 85 00:05:14.040 --> 00:05:14.160 UH. 86 00:05:14.360 --> 00:05:18.319 And that was in twenty twelve. So that's how that's 87 00:05:18.360 --> 00:05:23.920 how it came about. UH. I guess I'd also have 88 00:05:24.040 --> 00:05:27.560 to include the fact that I always had a lot 89 00:05:27.639 --> 00:05:32.800 of admiration for Dodd Graham from the minute I met him, 90 00:05:33.800 --> 00:05:38.360 uh and throughout the years that we developed, at first 91 00:05:38.519 --> 00:05:45.079 a business relationship, UH, we developed a strong friendship. UH. 92 00:05:46.439 --> 00:05:50.759 And once I had found out about the about this 93 00:05:51.000 --> 00:05:55.120 horrible incident that occurred, this road rage incident, occurred. It 94 00:05:55.240 --> 00:05:58.240 really stuck with me, and obviously it stuck with me 95 00:05:58.800 --> 00:06:01.639 long enough to have a very very bad nightmare and 96 00:06:01.759 --> 00:06:03.480 influenced me to write the book. 97 00:06:06.040 --> 00:06:09.560 Okay, now, you opened the book in mid October two 98 00:06:09.560 --> 00:06:12.399 thousand and six, and we're in Providence, Rhode Island, and 99 00:06:12.519 --> 00:06:15.920 you're going to Shirley, Massachusetts, and you arrive at the 100 00:06:16.040 --> 00:06:21.639 souths of Bereanowski Correctional Center the SBCC to visit Donald S. Graham, 101 00:06:23.399 --> 00:06:27.560 and you wanted to know some information. So tell us 102 00:06:27.600 --> 00:06:30.279 about it as you do what he imparts to you 103 00:06:30.480 --> 00:06:32.759 about what happened, because you say, what the hell happened? 104 00:06:32.800 --> 00:06:35.839 So you want to hear it all. So what did 105 00:06:35.879 --> 00:06:38.920 he say to you about this incident? So tell us 106 00:06:39.199 --> 00:06:40.040 as you do in the book. 107 00:06:40.360 --> 00:06:45.240 Well, I'll do my best at that. Keep in mind 108 00:06:45.319 --> 00:06:47.600 it was quite some time ago that I wrote the book, 109 00:06:47.639 --> 00:06:53.279 and I'm not going to read from the book, but actually, 110 00:06:53.519 --> 00:07:00.399 prior to that first meeting at Susan Bereanowski, we had 111 00:07:00.519 --> 00:07:09.319 shared several correspondents and essentially when I was sending what 112 00:07:09.480 --> 00:07:12.759 I was asking Don what could I do to help out? 113 00:07:15.040 --> 00:07:20.639 And that's how it led to first forty pages and 114 00:07:20.800 --> 00:07:23.920 then on and on until I had a page of 115 00:07:24.040 --> 00:07:27.360 close to two hundred and fifty pages and the book 116 00:07:27.519 --> 00:07:33.959 was completed. But he gave a very very thorough description 117 00:07:34.279 --> 00:07:41.680 to me as to everything happened happened that evening, that 118 00:07:41.959 --> 00:07:49.360 Sunday afternoon. And we're making reference to February twentieth, nineteen 119 00:07:49.480 --> 00:07:54.480 ninety four. Don and his wife Sandra had traveled to 120 00:07:54.600 --> 00:08:01.800 Boston to go to they took dance lessons, and they 121 00:08:01.879 --> 00:08:04.639 got done with their dance lessons and they were heading back. 122 00:08:04.800 --> 00:08:09.839 They were heading back to our hometown, not only Don 123 00:08:09.920 --> 00:08:14.079 and Sandras, but my hometown of Wood Socket, Rhode Island. 124 00:08:17.000 --> 00:08:20.319 Sander was sitting in the passenger in the front passenger 125 00:08:20.439 --> 00:08:26.519 sleep She was sleeping. Don was driving en Route ninety five. 126 00:08:26.680 --> 00:08:29.800 In case people don't realize that that's the major highway 127 00:08:31.360 --> 00:08:34.320 that goes from Maine all the way down to Florida. 128 00:08:35.200 --> 00:08:40.759 They were traveling between Boston and Providence. Don had kind 129 00:08:40.759 --> 00:08:44.080 of a beat up automobile, as I recall, it was 130 00:08:44.120 --> 00:08:50.039 a Toyota and he was driving. He had was driving 131 00:08:50.080 --> 00:08:53.080 at fifty five miles an hour on the inside lane, 132 00:08:54.080 --> 00:08:57.360 and he couldn't help but notice that there was a 133 00:08:57.519 --> 00:09:02.879 car traveling in the outside the passing lane that was 134 00:09:03.000 --> 00:09:06.320 going slower than fifty five, probably about fifty miles an hour, 135 00:09:06.360 --> 00:09:11.399 which was unusual because I would say that at average 136 00:09:11.480 --> 00:09:16.519 speed in that passing lane was about seventy miles an hour. 137 00:09:18.159 --> 00:09:23.399 And then he notices he notices that this gal was 138 00:09:23.480 --> 00:09:26.840 also in the passing lane and almost bumped into him 139 00:09:26.840 --> 00:09:29.399 because it was going so slow. You could almost feel 140 00:09:29.440 --> 00:09:33.679 that she was very irritated. She put her bright lights 141 00:09:33.840 --> 00:09:42.840 on and then slipped into the middle lane, passed the 142 00:09:43.000 --> 00:09:46.840 drivers in the passing lane to get in front of 143 00:09:46.960 --> 00:09:51.759 it to continue on. At that point, the two fellows 144 00:09:51.840 --> 00:09:57.320 that were in the slow vehicle, they sped up and 145 00:09:57.440 --> 00:10:02.759 they started turning their bright lights on and off. Uh. 146 00:10:03.480 --> 00:10:05.559 Don started this. 147 00:10:07.039 --> 00:10:08.799 Uh he's. 148 00:10:10.720 --> 00:10:14.360 Later on I'll probably give you a thorough description of 149 00:10:14.440 --> 00:10:19.840 Don's personality, but but uh, he got very concerned about this, 150 00:10:20.200 --> 00:10:24.799 and and he immediately figured that these two guys were 151 00:10:24.919 --> 00:10:31.519 predators because they kept almost bumping into this gal's rear 152 00:10:31.639 --> 00:10:38.080 fender and turning their brights on and off. So Don 153 00:10:38.159 --> 00:10:40.799 made a decision. I'm not gonna say that this was 154 00:10:40.879 --> 00:10:43.759 the wisest decision of the world, but he made a decision, 155 00:10:43.919 --> 00:10:46.960 and he said that I'm going to show teach these 156 00:10:47.039 --> 00:10:50.360 guys a lesson. So he pulled out of the inside 157 00:10:50.440 --> 00:10:55.480 lane and got into into the passing lane behind these 158 00:10:55.559 --> 00:11:01.480 two guys, and he put there his bright lights on them. 159 00:11:03.600 --> 00:11:07.360 Then there were a series of unusual things that happened 160 00:11:08.600 --> 00:11:12.200 over the next few miles. The first thing I could 161 00:11:12.200 --> 00:11:16.200 tell you was that the girl disappeared. She got off. 162 00:11:16.960 --> 00:11:20.799 It was no longer a part of the scenario. 163 00:11:22.080 --> 00:11:22.240 Right. 164 00:11:25.159 --> 00:11:30.120 Don is following these guys, and at one point they 165 00:11:30.240 --> 00:11:37.480 came to a complete stop. And it's almost impossible, maybe 166 00:11:37.559 --> 00:11:41.279 divided to mention that he didn't crash into them, or 167 00:11:41.399 --> 00:11:44.919 somehow someone didn't rearent him, because coming to such a 168 00:11:45.120 --> 00:11:50.279 short a quick stop, that could have been a very 169 00:11:50.480 --> 00:11:56.559 likely occurrence. They started up again. At one point these 170 00:11:56.639 --> 00:12:01.960 guys started throwing some things out the window at Don's car. 171 00:12:03.720 --> 00:12:07.440 They actually stopped the second time. They pulled a couple 172 00:12:07.519 --> 00:12:11.240 of other little tricks along the road that I thoroughly 173 00:12:11.360 --> 00:12:17.039 described in the book. And once they got past the 174 00:12:17.200 --> 00:12:23.840 Route four ninety five intersection, they slowed down and pulled 175 00:12:23.919 --> 00:12:30.200 off to the side of the road, and Don, thinking 176 00:12:30.320 --> 00:12:32.440 that at no point would it be wise for him 177 00:12:32.519 --> 00:12:34.679 to get in front of these guys, in other words, 178 00:12:34.759 --> 00:12:39.440 to accelerate and try to just shake these guys. He 179 00:12:40.559 --> 00:12:43.240 decided to pull off besides them. I guess another thing 180 00:12:43.279 --> 00:12:45.519 that went through his mind is is that had he 181 00:12:45.639 --> 00:12:48.720 pulled up adjacent to them, they actually might have pulled 182 00:12:48.759 --> 00:12:52.200 their car and tried to sideswipe him. This was not 183 00:12:53.360 --> 00:12:57.360 no longer a friendly summer drive. This was turning into 184 00:12:57.440 --> 00:13:00.759 something that was not good at all. Anyway. Now you 185 00:13:00.879 --> 00:13:02.799 have both cars that are pulled off the side of 186 00:13:02.879 --> 00:13:07.360 the road with all kinds of traffic that's coming. It 187 00:13:07.480 --> 00:13:10.080 wasn't exactly a roadside rest. 188 00:13:09.960 --> 00:13:10.759 But it was. It was. 189 00:13:11.240 --> 00:13:13.919 It was enough to get both cars well off the 190 00:13:14.039 --> 00:13:15.639 side to the side of the road. 191 00:13:16.600 --> 00:13:17.159 Uh No. 192 00:13:17.519 --> 00:13:21.960 Sooner, Don pulled up, maybe about as I recalled him 193 00:13:22.039 --> 00:13:25.159 telling me it was somewhere around one hundred feet to 194 00:13:25.240 --> 00:13:27.799 one hundred and twenty five feet behind the other car. 195 00:13:29.639 --> 00:13:31.639 I might as well tell you that the driver of 196 00:13:31.720 --> 00:13:34.279 the car was a fellow by the name of Michael 197 00:13:34.639 --> 00:13:42.919 Michael Michael Blodgett, and his the other fellow in the 198 00:13:43.000 --> 00:13:46.399 car was a fellow by the name of Stephen Austin. 199 00:13:47.399 --> 00:13:53.759 And they got out of their car and they started 200 00:13:53.879 --> 00:13:59.240 walking back towards Don's car, the driver lodge. It was 201 00:13:59.320 --> 00:14:02.559 walking in the road. Don noticed that he was carrying 202 00:14:04.240 --> 00:14:08.039 what's called a mag or a police flashlight, one of 203 00:14:08.080 --> 00:14:10.960 those long black flashlights in his hand. That light the 204 00:14:11.080 --> 00:14:18.039 flashlight was on uh and Aston got jumped over the 205 00:14:18.759 --> 00:14:21.720 guardrail and started coming back at him through the woods, 206 00:14:22.480 --> 00:14:27.440 probably maybe with intentions of getting up behind Donald. At 207 00:14:27.440 --> 00:14:33.960 any rate, Sandra was now awake. She was just sitting 208 00:14:34.039 --> 00:14:40.759 there horrified. And Donald immediately jumped out of his car, 209 00:14:42.240 --> 00:14:45.679 ran to the truck of his car, and pulled out 210 00:14:45.799 --> 00:14:49.799 a crossbow. Now he was not a hunter, but he 211 00:14:50.039 --> 00:14:57.279 was an expert target shooter, and he locked a bolt 212 00:14:57.559 --> 00:15:02.159 in its place and started telling these guys, you know this, 213 00:15:02.519 --> 00:15:05.080 this party is over. It's time for you to go 214 00:15:05.240 --> 00:15:07.919 back to your car and get on with your wife. 215 00:15:09.440 --> 00:15:11.279 And he said this a couple of times. But they 216 00:15:11.360 --> 00:15:15.679 were close because there was only about one hundred one 217 00:15:15.759 --> 00:15:18.679 hundred feet of separation between the two cars. So this 218 00:15:18.840 --> 00:15:28.600 all happened very very quickly. Brogett kept advancing and at 219 00:15:28.639 --> 00:15:32.279 one point, and at the critical point, he was so 220 00:15:32.600 --> 00:15:38.960 close to Don that he raised his hand to try 221 00:15:39.000 --> 00:15:44.159 to knock the crossbow out of Don's hand. And I'm 222 00:15:44.200 --> 00:15:46.879 not one hundred percent sure about this, and I've talked 223 00:15:46.919 --> 00:15:50.240 to Donald about this several times, but the way he 224 00:15:50.399 --> 00:15:54.440 tells it, I wouldn't be a bit surprised if Bligett's 225 00:15:54.559 --> 00:16:00.440 hand didn't touch it didn't hit the crossbow. And at 226 00:16:00.480 --> 00:16:07.759 that point, uh Don either reflexively or deliberately pressed the trigger, 227 00:16:08.039 --> 00:16:11.960 and that's a key point. And a bolt went off 228 00:16:12.000 --> 00:16:15.480 they called they called the arrow a bolt, and the 229 00:16:15.559 --> 00:16:19.200 bullets went off. 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Right, But but they he 306 00:20:25.880 --> 00:20:30.000 he took that mag flashlight and he destroyed the rear 307 00:20:30.160 --> 00:20:35.799 left light in Donald's car, at which point he then 308 00:20:35.960 --> 00:20:38.160 watched the two of them work the way to the 309 00:20:38.240 --> 00:20:43.319 front of the car and start heading back to their car. Uh. 310 00:20:45.319 --> 00:20:49.160 As Donald was watching, he didn't think that the injury 311 00:20:50.279 --> 00:20:54.880 was that fatal. Uh, at the time. Uh, for all 312 00:20:54.960 --> 00:20:59.319 intentsive purposes. Eventually, what happened is is that he bled out. Uh. 313 00:21:00.880 --> 00:21:04.680 But they then went back to their car and they 314 00:21:04.799 --> 00:21:12.960 drove off. So want either Don said to Sandra or 315 00:21:13.119 --> 00:21:17.839 vice versa, what do we do now? And they said, well, 316 00:21:17.880 --> 00:21:22.319 we've got to report this to the police. And Sandra said, look, 317 00:21:22.839 --> 00:21:27.240 I am sick. Let's go home and we can proceed 318 00:21:27.839 --> 00:21:29.720 with all the things that we have to do once 319 00:21:29.799 --> 00:21:32.079 we get home. And kind of the odd thing that 320 00:21:32.200 --> 00:21:35.519 she said to Don that remains fresh in his mind, 321 00:21:35.880 --> 00:21:38.640 she says, I must get home and brush my teeth. 322 00:21:41.759 --> 00:21:46.599 Kind of an interesting reaction. But essentially that's what they 323 00:21:46.680 --> 00:21:50.400 saw and that's what they did, and they did return home. 324 00:21:54.079 --> 00:21:58.440 You talk now, you writing the book about the reason 325 00:21:58.519 --> 00:22:02.640 why you said he blew out. But again, an experienced 326 00:22:02.680 --> 00:22:06.960 person with a crossbow with the sixteen inch bolt, your 327 00:22:07.000 --> 00:22:10.319 friend Don knew very well if something he didn't think 328 00:22:10.319 --> 00:22:13.279 it was that serious that shot. Why was that shot 329 00:22:13.440 --> 00:22:16.039 so serious other than he pulled out this arrow? Is 330 00:22:16.039 --> 00:22:19.880 there other reasons that you've discovered for the read for 331 00:22:20.359 --> 00:22:22.960 his death, which was a surprise to most people. 332 00:22:24.440 --> 00:22:28.039 Well, I don't remember the exact name of the ottery. 333 00:22:28.880 --> 00:22:33.519 It's located in the shoulder. I know I wrote about 334 00:22:33.920 --> 00:22:39.359 I specified it in the book, but being both of 335 00:22:39.440 --> 00:22:45.759 these guys were empts, by the way, so there's the 336 00:22:45.920 --> 00:22:50.039 Sturdy Memorial Hospital is probably somewhere in the city of 337 00:22:50.160 --> 00:22:54.519 ten miles away from where the incident occurred. So they 338 00:22:54.599 --> 00:22:59.559 made a b line for the Sturdy Memorial Hospital. At 339 00:22:59.599 --> 00:23:04.880 which point, let's put it this way, we couldn't describe 340 00:23:04.920 --> 00:23:09.920 Sturdy Memorial as a five star hospital. It's a real 341 00:23:10.039 --> 00:23:19.000 small hospital located in Attleborough, Massachusetts. And when they got there, 342 00:23:20.440 --> 00:23:24.079 there's a lot of questions as to whether the doctors 343 00:23:24.240 --> 00:23:32.200 that took care of Logic did the right things, and 344 00:23:33.319 --> 00:23:37.839 I go into that in detail. I even made a 345 00:23:38.000 --> 00:23:41.680 point of doing some research with one of the top 346 00:23:42.400 --> 00:23:45.680 surgeons in Rhode Island, who I knew quite well, to 347 00:23:45.759 --> 00:23:51.880 get his opinion about it. And essentially what he said 348 00:23:51.920 --> 00:23:55.000 to me is that based on the amount of blood 349 00:23:55.240 --> 00:24:02.880 that Logic had lost, had he lived for sets of purposes, 350 00:24:02.960 --> 00:24:07.480 he would have been a vegetable. And the last thing 351 00:24:07.519 --> 00:24:13.039 that I could tell you is that after uh Blogic 352 00:24:13.160 --> 00:24:16.400 had been its Sturdy Memorial for several hours, he was 353 00:24:16.480 --> 00:24:20.920 then helicoptered out to mass General, which is a five 354 00:24:21.039 --> 00:24:27.319 star hospital, to the Western Massachusetts branch, and that's where 355 00:24:27.359 --> 00:24:28.160 he passed away. 356 00:24:30.039 --> 00:24:36.359 Right now. Meanwhile, while Don and and Sandra are contemplating 357 00:24:36.400 --> 00:24:41.480 their next move, police come to their door. What is 358 00:24:42.559 --> 00:24:44.960 Don and Sandra's reaction and what did the police do? 359 00:24:45.119 --> 00:24:48.559 And this is important in terms of what do they 360 00:24:48.640 --> 00:24:51.400 have in terms of warrants and how do they proceed? 361 00:24:51.599 --> 00:24:52.240 Tell us about that. 362 00:24:55.079 --> 00:24:59.200 Well, uh, in a million years, never did they expect 363 00:24:59.440 --> 00:25:01.519 that the p police would show up at the door 364 00:25:01.799 --> 00:25:08.039 less than ten minutes after they arrived at home Ashton. 365 00:25:08.079 --> 00:25:13.359 Apparently he had gotten part of Donald's driver's license, his 366 00:25:13.559 --> 00:25:17.480 license plate number, and with that information they tracked down 367 00:25:18.799 --> 00:25:25.920 They very very quickly obviously tracked down Donald's address, and 368 00:25:26.079 --> 00:25:31.440 so there were two one Socket police members of the 369 00:25:31.480 --> 00:25:34.160 Wood Socket Police Force that showed up at his door. 370 00:25:36.559 --> 00:25:40.000 As matter of fact, Don said to them, I'm assuming 371 00:25:40.079 --> 00:25:44.000 that you're here because of the incident on Route ninety five, 372 00:25:44.079 --> 00:25:46.599 and they were a little bit surprised to hear that, 373 00:25:46.759 --> 00:25:53.319 but they said yes. Don told him his side of 374 00:25:53.400 --> 00:25:56.799 the story while they were standing outside of the house, 375 00:25:59.559 --> 00:26:02.920 and by that time Don had already taken the crossbow 376 00:26:03.160 --> 00:26:06.599 and brought it down into his basement and and put 377 00:26:06.640 --> 00:26:11.680 it with him with several other uh firearms and weapons 378 00:26:11.720 --> 00:26:16.519 that Don Don had uh and he said to the police, 379 00:26:16.559 --> 00:26:19.039 he says, would you like to see the weapon? And 380 00:26:19.160 --> 00:26:22.440 they said yes. So Don turned around and started walking 381 00:26:22.480 --> 00:26:24.200 into his house. A little did he know at that 382 00:26:24.359 --> 00:26:27.440 moment that they were standing behind him with guns drawn. 383 00:26:28.240 --> 00:26:32.319 And they followed Don into the house without a warrant. 384 00:26:32.640 --> 00:26:40.119 I might add uh from there on in uh Don's 385 00:26:40.160 --> 00:26:43.759 two kids were upstairs watching television. They came they they 386 00:26:44.160 --> 00:26:49.000 came down. Uh there was one of the uh uh 387 00:26:50.640 --> 00:26:53.359 private detectives from the One Socket force that showed up, 388 00:26:53.359 --> 00:26:58.039 a fellow by the name of Marzini, and they questioned 389 00:26:58.119 --> 00:27:03.400 Don and and and seeing and they then arrested both 390 00:27:03.440 --> 00:27:05.440 of them and brought them down to the to the 391 00:27:05.480 --> 00:27:09.119 Wood Socket Police department. And also while they were there, 392 00:27:09.880 --> 00:27:13.839 uh Massachusetts State Police showed up and they took uh 393 00:27:14.839 --> 00:27:19.240 uh they took a report of the incident. 394 00:27:19.319 --> 00:27:27.359 Also, did Don and Sandra say, listen, we're not going 395 00:27:27.440 --> 00:27:31.359 to be answering any questions. Will we opt to talk 396 00:27:31.400 --> 00:27:34.000 to an attorney first? What what did they do in 397 00:27:34.079 --> 00:27:38.079 that regard and what was the result of their decision. 398 00:27:40.599 --> 00:27:46.799 They at the time didn't feel like they were guilty 399 00:27:46.920 --> 00:27:50.920 of any say. Uh, as far as Don was concerned, 400 00:27:51.359 --> 00:27:53.480 his action was an action of self defense. 401 00:27:54.440 --> 00:27:54.559