1
00:00:01,120 --> 00:00:03,279
Speaker 1: Want to welcome everyone back to the Pekan Yona Show.

2
00:00:04,160 --> 00:00:06,400
Paul Fahrenheit's back, Hey, known, Paul.

3
00:00:06,919 --> 00:00:10,000
Speaker 2: Very well, mister Pete, thank you again for having me

4
00:00:10,080 --> 00:00:11,919
back on. And we're taking a little break from the

5
00:00:12,080 --> 00:00:14,279
From the Spain series today to talk about something else.

6
00:00:16,079 --> 00:00:20,800
Speaker 1: Yeah. So I guess, just I guess just started with Yaki,

7
00:00:21,079 --> 00:00:24,960
you know, reading Yaki and talking about Yaki on the

8
00:00:24,960 --> 00:00:30,440
show with you mostly we talk about high culture, and

9
00:00:31,559 --> 00:00:35,880
Yaki claims that the United States can't have a high

10
00:00:35,880 --> 00:00:39,399
culture because you're a colony. So then you start asking

11
00:00:39,439 --> 00:00:41,520
that question, you start thinking about that, and you're like,

12
00:00:41,560 --> 00:00:44,560
all right, well did we have a high culture? And

13
00:00:44,600 --> 00:00:47,479
you ask people and people some people have no idea

14
00:00:47,479 --> 00:00:49,039
what you're talking about, because you know, what the hell

15
00:00:49,119 --> 00:00:49,920
is a high culture?

16
00:00:51,119 --> 00:00:51,280
Speaker 2: Ye know?

17
00:00:51,399 --> 00:00:55,240
Speaker 1: And then you know, asked Thomas about that on an

18
00:00:55,240 --> 00:00:57,520
episode that we did where we just took a break

19
00:00:57,560 --> 00:01:01,079
and hit a bunch of different subjects, and he said, yeah,

20
00:01:01,240 --> 00:01:04,799
America's high culture was in the South. And then you

21
00:01:05,519 --> 00:01:09,799
contacted me and you were like, you know, that's interesting.

22
00:01:09,879 --> 00:01:13,640
It's good to hear Thomas say that. The John Harrison

23
00:01:13,879 --> 00:01:18,680
talking about you know, Virginia first the sixteen oh seven project.

24
00:01:19,599 --> 00:01:22,400
And that's when you reached out and you said, yeah,

25
00:01:23,200 --> 00:01:28,040
is in the South. But America's high culture was in

26
00:01:28,159 --> 00:01:32,359
Virginia or was Virginia? Is Virginia if there, if there's

27
00:01:32,400 --> 00:01:35,359
that be one in the future. So I guess that's

28
00:01:35,400 --> 00:01:38,680
a little bit of a setup. That'll I'll let you

29
00:01:38,760 --> 00:01:41,200
just run and I'll interrupt when I have a comment.

30
00:01:41,480 --> 00:01:45,599
Speaker 2: Absolutely yeah, And I'm you know, before I contacted you,

31
00:01:45,680 --> 00:01:50,280
I texted Thomas about it actually, and and he he

32
00:01:50,560 --> 00:01:52,480
you know, because he followed up that comment saying it

33
00:01:52,519 --> 00:01:54,040
was in the South. He said, although as much as

34
00:01:54,079 --> 00:01:57,280
you could say, Virginia is in the South. And I

35
00:01:57,519 --> 00:01:59,920
said to Thomas, I'm like, so Virginia, I I want

36
00:01:59,959 --> 00:02:02,079
to clarify. And I asked him, well, is Virginia the

37
00:02:02,120 --> 00:02:04,840
high culture? He said, yeah, that's basically what I was saying.

38
00:02:04,879 --> 00:02:06,879
You know, the South is kind of the South was

39
00:02:06,959 --> 00:02:10,000
kind of a later iteration of what happened in Virginia.

40
00:02:10,039 --> 00:02:13,000
And I think, and this, this answered this question that's

41
00:02:13,039 --> 00:02:15,960
been sitting on my mind for for a very long time.

42
00:02:16,520 --> 00:02:20,080
Because and yeah, and also that that John Harris episode

43
00:02:20,800 --> 00:02:22,879
very very good. I enjoyed it. I then watched the

44
00:02:23,560 --> 00:02:29,039
whole the sixteen oh seven project Virginia First documentary, which

45
00:02:29,080 --> 00:02:31,840
I think raised a lot of interesting points. And I

46
00:02:31,840 --> 00:02:34,120
have my disagreements with the abbey Ville Institute, but I

47
00:02:34,159 --> 00:02:36,800
think this that was a very well done documentary, and

48
00:02:36,840 --> 00:02:39,159
I think everyone should should go and should go and

49
00:02:39,199 --> 00:02:41,479
watch it if they if they can spare about an

50
00:02:41,520 --> 00:02:43,520
hour and thirty minutes. I think it's really well put together,

51
00:02:43,560 --> 00:02:46,479
and to buy the book and read it. I read

52
00:02:46,479 --> 00:02:49,319
a couple of the essays from it. But and also

53
00:02:49,360 --> 00:02:52,159
that that essay, that one particular essay, the first one

54
00:02:52,479 --> 00:02:54,719
that it gets the name from Virginia First, which was

55
00:02:54,759 --> 00:02:59,719
written by Lion Gardner Tyler. I might, I might quote

56
00:02:59,719 --> 00:03:01,319
from it a couple of times. It quotes from it

57
00:03:01,360 --> 00:03:04,280
in the documentary as well over the course of this stream.

58
00:03:04,319 --> 00:03:06,439
But basically, you know, I talked to Thomas, I listened

59
00:03:06,439 --> 00:03:11,000
to this John Harris episode, I watched the Virginia First Project,

60
00:03:11,000 --> 00:03:13,840
and I thought about, you know, you know, mister Pete,

61
00:03:13,840 --> 00:03:15,960
I've been writing this American mythos. I wrote a Country

62
00:03:16,000 --> 00:03:20,960
Squire's notebook about think about a a little bit over

63
00:03:20,960 --> 00:03:24,199
a year ago. That was like this first little installment

64
00:03:24,240 --> 00:03:26,000
of it, and that all took takes place in Virginia's

65
00:03:26,000 --> 00:03:28,080
Little Short Stories of Virginia, and I call that the

66
00:03:28,120 --> 00:03:31,879
first installment of the American mythos. But it's set in Virginia.

67
00:03:32,759 --> 00:03:34,719
And I think it's because my instincts kind of felt

68
00:03:35,000 --> 00:03:39,960
around this sort of vein. Obviously, you know, you come

69
00:03:40,000 --> 00:03:41,719
in the horse you ride in on as the horse

70
00:03:41,759 --> 00:03:43,719
you ride in on, and you know, and Spengler and

71
00:03:43,800 --> 00:03:47,199
Yackey's idea of a high culture, of what it is,

72
00:03:47,240 --> 00:03:50,759
of what it constitutes is, you know, is how I've begun.

73
00:03:50,840 --> 00:03:52,560
And so I started thinking to myself as like, well,

74
00:03:53,240 --> 00:04:00,719
you know, Homer almost invented the Greeks with the Odyssey

75
00:04:00,759 --> 00:04:06,000
and the Iliad. He invented the Hellenes, and those were

76
00:04:06,000 --> 00:04:09,039
their founding texts, those were their canon. The Iliad and

77
00:04:09,080 --> 00:04:13,800
the Odyssey, and the mythology kind of fell under that.

78
00:04:14,960 --> 00:04:17,360
And but he took that from the components which pre

79
00:04:17,399 --> 00:04:20,680
existed it, the the component parts of the Hellenes pre

80
00:04:20,800 --> 00:04:28,199
existed Homer. It's just as a self conscious civilization, which

81
00:04:28,560 --> 00:04:30,839
by the way, was the you know, was the the

82
00:04:30,879 --> 00:04:34,959
first inheritors of the message of Christ, after after the

83
00:04:34,959 --> 00:04:38,199
the Hebrews who converted, and so very clearly God had

84
00:04:38,199 --> 00:04:41,360
a significant plan for that civilization. For the Greeks. He

85
00:04:41,439 --> 00:04:44,079
wanted them to develop as a culture, because it's what

86
00:04:44,160 --> 00:04:47,920
the New Testament was was I believe was first written

87
00:04:47,959 --> 00:04:52,199
in between some Aramaic as well. But but but that's

88
00:04:53,439 --> 00:04:55,120
and so that that kind of shows God, you know,

89
00:04:55,360 --> 00:04:57,560
history is that was the study of history is the

90
00:04:57,560 --> 00:05:03,720
study of the genius of God in history, as Thomas says.

91
00:05:04,319 --> 00:05:09,079
And so, you know, I don't assume I don't unlike

92
00:05:09,120 --> 00:05:11,279
a lot of people, I don't actually believe history has ended.

93
00:05:11,319 --> 00:05:15,040
I don't actually believe the escaton is upon us, which means,

94
00:05:15,079 --> 00:05:16,560
of course that we are going to have to ask

95
00:05:16,600 --> 00:05:19,120
ourselves the very hard and difficult questions of what kind

96
00:05:19,120 --> 00:05:21,759
of future do we want to set up now, while

97
00:05:21,759 --> 00:05:24,199
we have this media outreach, while we have this this

98
00:05:24,319 --> 00:05:26,759
access to all of this information, to all of these texts,

99
00:05:27,480 --> 00:05:32,279
to start learning old ideas and trying to reconstitute. You know,

100
00:05:32,439 --> 00:05:36,000
a novel idea is always an attempted reconstitution of an older,

101
00:05:36,079 --> 00:05:40,800
lost idea, and this is this is you know, I

102
00:05:40,839 --> 00:05:48,439
could I believe that such is necessary for the civilization

103
00:05:48,680 --> 00:05:52,560
that currently inhabits the North American continent south of Canada

104
00:05:52,600 --> 00:05:58,519
and north of Mexico, and which kind of brings me

105
00:05:58,639 --> 00:06:02,120
to to the sort of you know, before I say

106
00:06:02,399 --> 00:06:04,480
the thing, I have to say it is not right

107
00:06:05,199 --> 00:06:08,040
the United States. Everyone kind of understands the United States

108
00:06:08,079 --> 00:06:11,120
is a is a legal title, right, the United States

109
00:06:11,160 --> 00:06:16,720
of America. That's a legal title. It doesn't really necessarily describe,

110
00:06:16,720 --> 00:06:19,639
and even if at one point it did, it's kind

111
00:06:19,639 --> 00:06:24,560
of I think the mental technique is too tied up

112
00:06:24,600 --> 00:06:29,399
within propositional nationhood, which by the way, has a grain

113
00:06:29,439 --> 00:06:32,079
of truth. There is a grain of truth in the

114
00:06:32,079 --> 00:06:38,560
concept of nations being ideas. You know, England, England wasn't

115
00:06:38,639 --> 00:06:41,920
England until you put the Anglo Saxons there, and then

116
00:06:41,959 --> 00:06:44,600
you put the Normans there, and then it became it

117
00:06:44,639 --> 00:06:47,839
was cultivated into being England. Does that? Does that make sense?

118
00:06:47,879 --> 00:06:50,480
Mister p You know, that was what the people had

119
00:06:50,519 --> 00:06:54,120
within them that they then projected outward onto their onto

120
00:06:54,160 --> 00:06:56,000
their land, and the land fed back to them. And

121
00:06:56,199 --> 00:06:58,839
does does that make sense? Or am I, you know,

122
00:06:58,839 --> 00:07:01,560
playing with too much playing with too much leftism?

123
00:07:02,040 --> 00:07:03,879
Speaker 1: Now? The culture has to evolve.

124
00:07:04,319 --> 00:07:07,040
Speaker 2: Absolutely, yeah, yeah, it absolutely does. And the culture, but

125
00:07:07,079 --> 00:07:09,879
it also it also kind of comes from it's a

126
00:07:09,920 --> 00:07:13,600
feedback loop it has an initial initiating point with you know,

127
00:07:13,720 --> 00:07:17,319
internally within the people, as as the English demonstrated. If

128
00:07:17,319 --> 00:07:20,199
you pick up englishmen and put them in South Africa,

129
00:07:20,480 --> 00:07:22,480
or you put them in Australia, or you put them

130
00:07:22,480 --> 00:07:24,079
in New Zealand, or you put them on the North

131
00:07:24,120 --> 00:07:27,399
American continent, even in a place like Canada versus a

132
00:07:27,399 --> 00:07:29,920
place like you know what the United States would then become.

133
00:07:31,279 --> 00:07:38,720
They attempt to replicate what they had before, but altered right,

134
00:07:39,240 --> 00:07:42,519
altered to fit. They try to build the same institutions

135
00:07:42,519 --> 00:07:45,120
that give them the same rights, but they make them

136
00:07:45,160 --> 00:07:51,279
idiosyncratically focused on the particular region or locale or land

137
00:07:51,279 --> 00:08:01,120
that they find themselves in. So there is so so anyway.

138
00:08:01,120 --> 00:08:03,759
But the problem is with the United States. And I

139
00:08:03,759 --> 00:08:08,399
think that the United States has has I mean every

140
00:08:08,399 --> 00:08:10,879
so often the United States has identity crises. And every

141
00:08:10,879 --> 00:08:15,360
time we come up with a possible solution, you know it,

142
00:08:15,800 --> 00:08:19,600
unless it's the right solution, it isn't solved. And I've

143
00:08:20,199 --> 00:08:24,160
found unsatisfying the variety of answers that have been put forth. Obviously,

144
00:08:24,199 --> 00:08:27,240
everyone agrees that, you know, America is not just this

145
00:08:27,319 --> 00:08:32,200
propositional nation. Everyone who loves freedom isn't an American can't

146
00:08:32,240 --> 00:08:37,080
be an American. That's a complete desiccation of the concept,

147
00:08:37,120 --> 00:08:41,240
and it's actually completely separate from what was attempted to

148
00:08:41,279 --> 00:08:45,799
be founded. But if you go prior to that, if

149
00:08:45,840 --> 00:08:50,039
you go before that, the United States is this sort

150
00:08:50,080 --> 00:08:56,039
of like you know, white Man's Republic between north and south,

151
00:08:56,240 --> 00:08:59,240
of this grand unity around the capital p progressive era.

152
00:09:00,039 --> 00:09:03,279
I also find this deeply unsatisfying because that's that's just

153
00:09:03,320 --> 00:09:05,960
a picture of the nineteenth century. Everyone was talking like

154
00:09:06,000 --> 00:09:08,159
that in the nineteenth century. Now that's a lot more

155
00:09:08,240 --> 00:09:11,480
genuine for Australia, which was founded kind of at that

156
00:09:11,559 --> 00:09:14,840
Victorian you know. One of the contentions I've always had,

157
00:09:14,879 --> 00:09:19,440
mister Pete, is that institutions and a RaSE is an institution.

158
00:09:20,320 --> 00:09:22,799
A tribe is you know, an institution just because it

159
00:09:22,840 --> 00:09:26,120
is joined by blood, it is also an institution. Are

160
00:09:26,240 --> 00:09:30,679
snapshots of their founding? Do you agree or disagree?

161
00:09:31,679 --> 00:09:34,759
Speaker 1: Yes? Yeah, they have to be precise.

162
00:09:34,840 --> 00:09:37,639
Speaker 2: Well, and that's why Irish nationalism is so stupid in

163
00:09:37,679 --> 00:09:39,960
like in like fake and everyone kind of doesn't like

164
00:09:40,000 --> 00:09:42,600
it because it was a snapshot of the era it

165
00:09:42,639 --> 00:09:44,840
was founded. It was founded at like the high water

166
00:09:44,919 --> 00:09:47,720
mark of leftism, and like you can't really separate this

167
00:09:48,399 --> 00:09:53,000
idea of Irish nationalism from basically democratic socialism. It's the

168
00:09:53,000 --> 00:09:56,639
same thing with Basque nationalism, although you know the Basques,

169
00:09:56,879 --> 00:10:01,080
you know that it's more so that the nationalism part

170
00:10:01,200 --> 00:10:05,759
rather than the Basque identity. But like, what was it

171
00:10:05,799 --> 00:10:13,720
like like you know England, the although England's very old,

172
00:10:14,000 --> 00:10:16,559
but England, England has always kind of been this snapshot

173
00:10:16,639 --> 00:10:18,679
of like the Magna Carta. That's kind of like always

174
00:10:18,679 --> 00:10:21,360
the snapshot of really when it's like, you know, the

175
00:10:21,480 --> 00:10:24,799
king is balanced off by his bias parliament, King in Parliament.

176
00:10:24,879 --> 00:10:28,120
That's been That's always been England, you know, forever at

177
00:10:28,159 --> 00:10:33,039
least that's the idea. Germany, you know, is a very

178
00:10:33,120 --> 00:10:36,320
nineteenth century nation because it was founded in the blood

179
00:10:36,320 --> 00:10:38,799
and iron of the nineteenth century, and even to this

180
00:10:38,879 --> 00:10:42,679
day it's still has many nineteenth century ideas. But the

181
00:10:42,799 --> 00:10:51,600
United States isn't exactly because the thing is is like

182
00:10:51,639 --> 00:10:55,399
I think we get the founding wrong, we get the

183
00:10:55,440 --> 00:10:58,120
founding wrong. It's not The United States is not a

184
00:10:58,159 --> 00:11:03,799
snapshot of necessary Raly seventeen seventy six, although you know

185
00:11:03,919 --> 00:11:05,799
that's that's kind of how it has been, like even

186
00:11:05,840 --> 00:11:08,679
before that right, even before the White Man's Republic, you had.

187
00:11:08,720 --> 00:11:10,759
Prior to that, you had the sort of the the

188
00:11:12,399 --> 00:11:16,720
you know, like the Gilded Age of you know, the

189
00:11:16,720 --> 00:11:20,559
the it wasn't the triumph of radical republicanism, but it

190
00:11:20,600 --> 00:11:22,799
was like sort of America. America is this sort of

191
00:11:23,360 --> 00:11:29,080
you know, nascent industrial power. And it's hard, it's hard

192
00:11:29,080 --> 00:11:31,799
to kind of go through these various conceptions of America's

193
00:11:31,840 --> 00:11:34,480
identity through time, because prior to the Gilded Age it

194
00:11:34,519 --> 00:11:38,639
was like the radical, rabid reconstructionism of you know, America

195
00:11:38,720 --> 00:11:41,559
is the place for the for for us to uplift

196
00:11:41,639 --> 00:11:47,159
the benighted negro from his condition. And then prior to that, America,

197
00:11:47,480 --> 00:11:51,320
even prior to the Civil War, America was the you know,

198
00:11:51,360 --> 00:11:55,159
the republic of of you know, whether it was Andrew

199
00:11:55,279 --> 00:11:58,919
Jackson or or yeah, you know, the Jacksonian Republican. Then

200
00:11:58,919 --> 00:12:01,360
prior to the Jacksonian public, America is kind of this

201
00:12:01,440 --> 00:12:04,720
you know, Washingtonian vision, you know it. And so this

202
00:12:04,840 --> 00:12:07,840
this all you can track this throughout time is like

203
00:12:07,879 --> 00:12:14,200
these different conceptions of identity, all right, And I think

204
00:12:14,240 --> 00:12:17,519
the problem with all of them are that they get

205
00:12:17,759 --> 00:12:22,600
the founding date wrong. The founding date of the United

206
00:12:22,600 --> 00:12:28,759
States of English speaking settlement within what currently fills the

207
00:12:29,919 --> 00:12:33,039
currently fills the the borders of the United States right

208
00:12:33,080 --> 00:12:39,159
now was six men. There was an there was almost

209
00:12:39,320 --> 00:12:43,960
two hundred years of history, which is almost a whole

210
00:12:44,080 --> 00:12:47,720
civilizational cycle, at least a like like one of John

211
00:12:47,840 --> 00:12:50,399
Sir John Glove's cycles. You know, that's that's seventy five years,

212
00:12:50,440 --> 00:12:56,639
shy of a cycle you know of before, just from

213
00:12:56,679 --> 00:12:59,879
sixteen oh seven to seventeen seventy six, you know, mister,

214
00:13:00,200 --> 00:13:02,639
you know the first time independence from Great Britain was

215
00:13:02,679 --> 00:13:06,480
discussed in an English speaking colony in North America.

216
00:13:09,200 --> 00:13:12,080
Speaker 1: I'm thinking sixteen hundreds, But tell.

217
00:13:11,919 --> 00:13:17,960
Speaker 2: Me sixteen fifteen, John Rolph, who was the first planter

218
00:13:18,080 --> 00:13:22,159
of tobacco in the Jamestown colony. I think this is

219
00:13:22,279 --> 00:13:24,480
this is, you know, after I think the starving times

220
00:13:24,879 --> 00:13:28,240
or or some some terrible it was terrible to live

221
00:13:28,240 --> 00:13:31,240
in Jamestown for the first, you know, couple of decades.

222
00:13:31,279 --> 00:13:33,120
It was not It was not a good place to be.

223
00:13:34,600 --> 00:13:37,799
There's a reason Virginia was founded by mercenaries and prostitutes,

224
00:13:39,799 --> 00:13:41,879
because those are the only people who you can send

225
00:13:41,879 --> 00:13:44,159
to the fringes. Frankly, those are the only people who

226
00:13:44,159 --> 00:13:49,519
are made to survive there and today when the problem

227
00:13:49,600 --> 00:13:52,120
with today, by the way, isn't so much that that

228
00:13:52,279 --> 00:13:54,720
their you know, countries have ceased to exist, but rather

229
00:13:55,480 --> 00:13:58,799
everywhere has become a border. The core has been destroyed,

230
00:13:58,919 --> 00:14:01,080
you know. And that's why everyone is kind of acting

231
00:14:01,159 --> 00:14:03,440
like a mercenary or a prostitute, is because those are

232
00:14:03,480 --> 00:14:06,559
the only attitudes that can survive in a borderland. You know,

233
00:14:06,639 --> 00:14:08,360
everywhere is a border, you know. You know, mister Putin,

234
00:14:08,399 --> 00:14:11,879
they said Trump's campaign, every state is now a border state.

235
00:14:11,879 --> 00:14:15,080
I think that hit on a metaphysical reality. Everywhere is

236
00:14:15,120 --> 00:14:17,600
now a border because there's no center, there's no core,

237
00:14:18,039 --> 00:14:21,159
there's no source that anyone can draw from. It's just

238
00:14:21,320 --> 00:14:27,200
everything is kind of left to its own devices. Yeah,

239
00:14:27,399 --> 00:14:30,120
but and we and by the way, this is why

240
00:14:30,159 --> 00:14:31,759
I think I made this thread about this. I think

241
00:14:31,759 --> 00:14:35,360
the metaphysical spirit of the ages is reinforcing borders. That's

242
00:14:35,399 --> 00:14:39,399
the heroic struggle is enforcing boundaries of any kind, right,

243
00:14:40,279 --> 00:14:43,960
And when you enforce boundaries, you necessarily create a core

244
00:14:44,159 --> 00:14:48,000
that you are enforcing the boundaries of. And that's why

245
00:14:48,039 --> 00:14:51,960
I think we're here today. So, the first time independence

246
00:14:52,000 --> 00:14:54,360
from Great Britain was discussed was in sixteen fifteen when

247
00:14:54,440 --> 00:14:57,240
John Rolf I think he was. I think that the

248
00:14:57,240 --> 00:15:00,720
British were trying to levy attacks on tobacco which had

249
00:15:00,799 --> 00:15:04,440
literally just like like not even mister pet Ten years

250
00:15:04,480 --> 00:15:07,759
after Jamestown has founded, we have a recorded instance of

251
00:15:07,799 --> 00:15:11,679
a prominent notable talking about the idea of dissolution of

252
00:15:11,759 --> 00:15:19,840
union with England. This America America. I've said this before,

253
00:15:19,879 --> 00:15:22,679
but I believe and I don't even think. I don't

254
00:15:22,679 --> 00:15:26,000
even think the word America is sufficient to speak of

255
00:15:26,039 --> 00:15:31,240
the specificity of Anglo civilization on the North American continent,

256
00:15:31,679 --> 00:15:34,360
all right, Because if you say Anglo civilization and also

257
00:15:34,440 --> 00:15:37,480
Anglo civilization on the North American continent, that's also not sufficient.

258
00:15:37,840 --> 00:15:41,840
Because Canada's right there, right, Canada is a distinct place

259
00:15:42,360 --> 00:15:45,799
with a distinct, slightly different set of customs from the

260
00:15:45,879 --> 00:15:48,600
United States. You know, Yes, they speak the same language,

261
00:15:48,679 --> 00:15:52,240
yes they they are you know, similar, but they're not

262
00:15:52,399 --> 00:15:54,639
the same. You know. I go up to Canada and

263
00:15:54,679 --> 00:15:57,720
it's a whole different place. Canadians come down here, it's

264
00:15:57,720 --> 00:16:01,720
a whole different place. You know. Even the difference between

265
00:16:01,759 --> 00:16:05,080
somewhere like Newfoundland and Nova Scotia and like, you know,

266
00:16:06,480 --> 00:16:12,679
and Alberta and so and so that's the thing, right,

267
00:16:12,720 --> 00:16:14,799
you know, those are these are these are slightly you know,

268
00:16:15,000 --> 00:16:18,000
but those are both part of the broader Anglo civilization

269
00:16:18,840 --> 00:16:21,799
alongside Australia and New Zealand and the Cape Anglos in

270
00:16:21,840 --> 00:16:24,639
South Africa and and even even the English and in

271
00:16:25,840 --> 00:16:28,879
Great Britain and the Scottish and the Irish and the

272
00:16:28,879 --> 00:16:31,440
Welsh and and and the ulster Men and you know,

273
00:16:31,519 --> 00:16:35,000
and am i am I forgetting any any English colonies.

274
00:16:35,000 --> 00:16:41,320
I think that's all of them. But but this is like,

275
00:16:41,639 --> 00:16:43,679
all of this is under you know what what's called

276
00:16:43,720 --> 00:16:47,080
the anglosphere is under the broad umbrella of Anglo civilization.

277
00:16:47,480 --> 00:16:50,360
But then you get down to the specifics. New Zealand,

278
00:16:50,360 --> 00:16:52,840
despite being very small, no one would deny that it's

279
00:16:52,879 --> 00:16:55,080
it's kind of its own unique place with a unique

280
00:16:55,159 --> 00:16:58,639
sort of take on Anglo civilization that is actually separate

281
00:16:58,799 --> 00:17:01,440
enough from Australia uh to warrant because you know, they're

282
00:17:01,440 --> 00:17:05,640
separated by water to warrant separate treatment. The problem here

283
00:17:05,680 --> 00:17:09,920
is not size, the problem of the size of the location.

284
00:17:10,279 --> 00:17:14,519
The problem here is I is the identity that is created,

285
00:17:15,359 --> 00:17:21,839
all right, and so even America, America doesn't narrow it down.

286
00:17:22,839 --> 00:17:25,079
You know, in the in that stupid Civil War movie,

287
00:17:25,119 --> 00:17:26,920
you know, the meme, you know, what kind of American

288
00:17:27,000 --> 00:17:29,759
are you? And he says South American, Central American, whatever.

289
00:17:29,880 --> 00:17:34,240
I actually think that hits on something, because you know,

290
00:17:35,440 --> 00:17:38,079
how do we refer to Latin America? Oh well, it's

291
00:17:38,160 --> 00:17:40,880
Latin America, you know, or oh, how do you refer

292
00:17:40,920 --> 00:17:46,599
to to to shoot? I mean like like like actually no,

293
00:17:46,640 --> 00:17:48,039
I think, yeah, but Latin. But but that's not the

294
00:17:48,039 --> 00:17:51,079
same civilization, you know, They're they speak a different language,

295
00:17:51,079 --> 00:17:54,400
fundamentally different. You know, they're primarily at the offshoot of

296
00:17:54,400 --> 00:18:02,160
Spanish civilization, with vestigial holdovers of native civilization in some places,

297
00:18:02,160 --> 00:18:08,400
which the United States frankly does not have. And this

298
00:18:08,480 --> 00:18:10,119
is and this is kind of like it's like, it's

299
00:18:10,160 --> 00:18:14,000
like America doesn't specify you enough, because North and South

300
00:18:14,039 --> 00:18:17,640
America used to be referred to as the America is plural.

301
00:18:18,000 --> 00:18:22,759
It's a geographic designation. It's not a cultural designation right now.

302
00:18:22,799 --> 00:18:27,119
A cultural designation can also be a geographic designation, but

303
00:18:27,160 --> 00:18:31,359
it has to be specific enough to actually like refer

304
00:18:31,440 --> 00:18:34,119
to something tangible. And this is and this kind of

305
00:18:34,119 --> 00:18:35,880
brings us to The main crux of the issue issue,

306
00:18:36,079 --> 00:18:38,480
mister Pete, is that right now the United States is

307
00:18:38,559 --> 00:18:40,759
having an identity crisis. Would you agree with that?

308
00:18:42,519 --> 00:18:48,079
Speaker 1: Well, I mean, anyone, anyone with eyes to see you

309
00:18:48,200 --> 00:18:55,799
can see that. I mean, it's the apparently Aurora Colorado

310
00:18:55,960 --> 00:19:00,279
now belongs to Venezuelan's Venisuelan.

311
00:18:59,759 --> 00:19:03,559
Speaker 2: Gang, exactly, and that can only happen when no one

312
00:19:03,680 --> 00:19:06,680
knows what the thing they're supposed to be enforcing is.

313
00:19:09,880 --> 00:19:13,359
And so exactly, you know, yes, so America is having

314
00:19:13,400 --> 00:19:17,640
an identity crisis. An identity crisis is when you cannot

315
00:19:17,759 --> 00:19:23,160
grasp your hands on something that you are Now, there

316
00:19:23,240 --> 00:19:28,599
is an idealistic component to identity. I am not against idealism,

317
00:19:28,599 --> 00:19:32,359
because if I were, I would be a hypocrite. Right. However,

318
00:19:34,440 --> 00:19:39,720
you an idea without anchoring in reality is called a fantasy,

319
00:19:40,480 --> 00:19:45,359
all right, And the previous identity of the United States

320
00:19:45,640 --> 00:19:49,599
is a fantasy. And a fantasy can kill you. And

321
00:19:49,920 --> 00:19:52,640
that is precisely why we are having so much issue.

322
00:19:52,720 --> 00:19:56,960
Is that America has no tangible identity, has no tangible

323
00:19:57,079 --> 00:20:02,200
idea that is rooted, that is tangible, and that is

324
00:20:03,119 --> 00:20:03,960
what we do.

325
00:20:04,160 --> 00:20:08,440
Speaker 1: We do have an idea. It's economics. We're an open

326
00:20:08,440 --> 00:20:12,279
air strip mall. And that's what we've been sold since uh,

327
00:20:12,359 --> 00:20:16,359
since World War two. Hey, world War two. Or I've

328
00:20:16,400 --> 00:20:20,559
been told I don't believe this because I've studied the subject.

329
00:20:20,839 --> 00:20:22,319
I mean, world War two is what got us out

330
00:20:22,359 --> 00:20:23,200
of the Great Depression?

331
00:20:24,279 --> 00:20:27,079
Speaker 2: Yeah, no, no, go.

332
00:20:27,559 --> 00:20:31,599
Speaker 1: Yeah, So of course, if yeah, I mean, if you

333
00:20:31,640 --> 00:20:33,480
actually believe that World War two got us out of

334
00:20:33,480 --> 00:20:36,319
the Great Depression, we should just be in constant war.

335
00:20:37,119 --> 00:20:40,200
We should be bombing our own cities and rebuilding them,

336
00:20:40,880 --> 00:20:44,039
because I mean, that would that makes the line go up?

337
00:20:44,119 --> 00:20:52,559
Right now, we're our culture is business is commerce, and

338
00:20:52,599 --> 00:20:56,519
that's pretty much what the navy protects. But the military

339
00:20:56,599 --> 00:20:58,920
protects at this point is commerce?

340
00:20:59,359 --> 00:21:03,000
Speaker 2: Well yeah, and and and it didn't It wasn't always

341
00:21:03,119 --> 00:21:06,640
that way. There was always a strain of that, sure,

342
00:21:06,720 --> 00:21:09,480
but every nation has to engage in commerce, no one.

343
00:21:09,519 --> 00:21:11,000
I don't even you know, mister Pete, I don't think

344
00:21:11,000 --> 00:21:13,039
you're against engaging in commerce. I don't even think you're

345
00:21:13,079 --> 00:21:15,680
against being particularly good at commerce amongst a nation.

346
00:21:15,920 --> 00:21:19,240
Speaker 1: No, not not at all. Should I'm with Friedrich list

347
00:21:19,480 --> 00:21:23,200
free free trade with a nation, hard tariffs on anything

348
00:21:23,200 --> 00:21:24,319
coming from without.

349
00:21:24,240 --> 00:21:27,039
Speaker 2: Absolutely well, and that's and that's just normal throughout most

350
00:21:27,079 --> 00:21:31,359
all of society, right, you know, and throughout most most civilizations,

351
00:21:31,400 --> 00:21:34,319
throughout all history, right is so commerce like you know,

352
00:21:34,359 --> 00:21:36,880
and people get too wrapped up. And I understand that,

353
00:21:37,000 --> 00:21:39,599
you know, the the holdover of oleanism, it's kind of

354
00:21:39,680 --> 00:21:41,240
it's kind of on it it's it's it's well on

355
00:21:41,279 --> 00:21:44,799
its way out. But you know, merchants themselves are not

356
00:21:45,079 --> 00:21:48,680
the problem. It's when it's when the whole society and

357
00:21:49,000 --> 00:21:52,079
really the the as you said, the idea of economics

358
00:21:52,079 --> 00:21:55,240
that is kind of sort of founded in reality, but

359
00:21:55,359 --> 00:21:58,880
it's more of a consequence to the lack of a tangibility.

360
00:21:59,160 --> 00:22:02,720
When you have no ideal, the only thing you can

361
00:22:02,799 --> 00:22:06,160
pursue is like self advancement, self gain, et cetera. When

362
00:22:06,160 --> 00:22:09,880
you have no idea, that's the only thing you can pursue.

363
00:22:10,720 --> 00:22:12,519
And that's why, yes, you are right. You know, when

364
00:22:12,559 --> 00:22:15,000
people say in the United States is a free trade zone,

365
00:22:15,880 --> 00:22:20,480
they're not saying and ought, they're saying it is. The

366
00:22:20,559 --> 00:22:23,599
United States right now is treated as a free trade

367
00:22:23,640 --> 00:22:25,920
zone because it treats itself as it is a free

368
00:22:25,960 --> 00:22:29,000
trade zone, right, And this is beneficial to every other

369
00:22:29,119 --> 00:22:33,960
people's on the globe except for Americans, specifically the heritage

370
00:22:34,000 --> 00:22:36,519
Americans and those who have married in and those who

371
00:22:36,559 --> 00:22:40,400
have you know, who desire to identify, to join that

372
00:22:40,440 --> 00:22:44,680
tribe and to destroy their previous identity. Assimilation is actually

373
00:22:44,680 --> 00:22:48,920
a good thing. It's just assimilation is misunderstood. Assimilation is

374
00:22:49,000 --> 00:22:53,160
the annihilation of the previous identity in order to be

375
00:22:53,200 --> 00:22:56,240
incorporated into the new identity. You talk a lot, mister Pete,

376
00:22:56,480 --> 00:22:59,680
about how your father was Pedro, but he named you Peter,

377
00:23:00,039 --> 00:23:04,079
and he made sure that you grew up speaking English.

378
00:23:04,440 --> 00:23:08,039
Speaker 1: Yeah, I mean that was It wasn't even a question

379
00:23:08,119 --> 00:23:10,400
as to whether I was going to learn to speak Spanish. Now,

380
00:23:11,000 --> 00:23:14,359
as things have progressed, I wish I would have learned

381
00:23:14,400 --> 00:23:16,440
to speak Spanish. Probably would have helped me in my

382
00:23:16,480 --> 00:23:19,799
career a couple of times. But you know, the point

383
00:23:19,920 --> 00:23:23,000
is is I know, I mean, we're we were raised

384
00:23:23,000 --> 00:23:25,519
to be Americans. You know, my dad's my mom's side

385
00:23:25,519 --> 00:23:27,759
of the family has been here for over two hundred years.

386
00:23:27,759 --> 00:23:30,680
But you know, my dad's side of the family became

387
00:23:30,799 --> 00:23:36,440
citizens during the Spanish American War. So yeah, names he

388
00:23:36,519 --> 00:23:40,039
was always I mean, I was born in I was

389
00:23:40,039 --> 00:23:42,319
born in Heidelberg. My dad was in the military. My

390
00:23:42,400 --> 00:23:44,000
dad went into the military as soon as he was

391
00:23:44,000 --> 00:23:46,400
of age, got his grandmother to sign off so he

392
00:23:46,440 --> 00:23:48,880
can go in at seventeen. And it's just the kind

393
00:23:48,880 --> 00:23:51,920
of it's the kind of environment I grew up in.

394
00:23:52,599 --> 00:23:54,920
Speaker 2: Absolutely No. By the way, fun fact for you, if

395
00:23:54,960 --> 00:23:57,920
you ever get the time, I just remembered this, you know,

396
00:23:58,160 --> 00:24:00,480
look into one of one of my favorite generals was

397
00:24:00,519 --> 00:24:02,880
actually a Puerto Rican Marine Corps general by the name

398
00:24:02,880 --> 00:24:05,000
of Pedro del Val. Although I'm sure you've you've heard

399
00:24:05,039 --> 00:24:09,319
of him or you're familiar with yah, yeah, well he's

400
00:24:09,400 --> 00:24:12,440
he was the most hard rate, like racialist general that

401
00:24:12,480 --> 00:24:15,000
you'll find of that whole period. Like he made he

402
00:24:15,039 --> 00:24:22,160
made patent look like anyway. Uh he also besides that,

403
00:24:24,759 --> 00:24:26,440
but yeah, no, so this is the issue right and

404
00:24:26,480 --> 00:24:31,680
that America America, but like the nation that America is

405
00:24:31,799 --> 00:24:37,839
used to refer to, which basically inhabits the entire with

406
00:24:37,920 --> 00:24:40,680
a few exceptions, the entire borders of the United States

407
00:24:40,720 --> 00:24:43,880
of America. Like this is not a like like let's

408
00:24:43,920 --> 00:24:46,160
break the country kind of thing that I'm trying to

409
00:24:46,240 --> 00:24:48,720
drive at here. This is actually like, hey, why don't

410
00:24:48,759 --> 00:24:50,960
we pick the name that like we actually are, that

411
00:24:51,079 --> 00:24:55,240
tangibly places us somewhere, all right, And so obviously you

412
00:24:55,279 --> 00:24:57,559
know this isn't It doesn't take a genius to figure

413
00:24:57,559 --> 00:25:02,400
this out. However, I believe that the solution to America's

414
00:25:02,480 --> 00:25:07,279
obvious identity crisis, it's lack of a founded and rooted ideal,

415
00:25:08,200 --> 00:25:11,440
is in the fact that Americans do not understand what

416
00:25:11,599 --> 00:25:15,359
their source is. And I'm not talking about England. They

417
00:25:15,400 --> 00:25:19,160
don't understand what their source is. I'm here to tell

418
00:25:19,200 --> 00:25:23,559
you the source of all culture that we can positively

419
00:25:23,680 --> 00:25:29,160
identify as American. That includes barbecue, That includes country music,

420
00:25:29,480 --> 00:25:34,440
that includes you know, like like the American farmstead ideal,

421
00:25:34,519 --> 00:25:38,559
that includes naturalism and the idea of stewarding and protecting

422
00:25:38,599 --> 00:25:43,240
the environment. That includes also, you know, even even commerce

423
00:25:43,279 --> 00:25:46,319
and industry. But it also includes the American military tradition,

424
00:25:46,680 --> 00:25:55,920
the American naval tradition, the American all of it is Virginia.

425
00:25:58,319 --> 00:26:05,759
We live in Virginia civilization, not American Virginian. All right. Now,

426
00:26:05,759 --> 00:26:07,920
this is a bold claim. I will proceed to back

427
00:26:07,960 --> 00:26:15,720
it up. Everything proceeds from the first, Everything proceeds from

428
00:26:15,720 --> 00:26:21,079
the first, Everything proceeds from the source, all right, Virginia

429
00:26:22,880 --> 00:26:25,559
was the first. Now you could point out Roanoke. Roanoke

430
00:26:25,599 --> 00:26:30,160
failed and everyone there died. Jamestown was the first successful.

431
00:26:30,200 --> 00:26:31,759
Being too early, by the way, is the same as

432
00:26:31,799 --> 00:26:35,200
being wrong. A mutual friend told me that once, um

433
00:26:36,559 --> 00:26:42,039
but Jamestown was the first successful permanent English colony in

434
00:26:42,079 --> 00:26:45,240
the United States and what is now the United States.

435
00:26:46,359 --> 00:26:54,079
And from there through the entire seventeenth century, you see

436
00:26:54,480 --> 00:26:59,720
everything that characterizes American culture play out there, because you know,

437
00:26:59,839 --> 00:27:04,119
like like ethnogenesis happens overnight. It takes a while to

438
00:27:04,160 --> 00:27:07,079
cultivate a to cultivate an ethnost, for an ethnos to

439
00:27:07,119 --> 00:27:09,200
fill sort of the book of its deeds, right, mister

440
00:27:09,240 --> 00:27:13,480
pe But ethnogenesis occurs overnight. It's a it's a snap,

441
00:27:14,200 --> 00:27:17,920
it's it's it's instant almost, it's within the minds of

442
00:27:17,920 --> 00:27:22,119
everyone over one over one generation, and it almost happens immediately.

443
00:27:25,480 --> 00:27:31,279
Virginia dealt with almost all of the problems not only

444
00:27:31,279 --> 00:27:33,519
that we're dealing with today, but that that you know,

445
00:27:33,839 --> 00:27:36,559
America has dealt within the past. If you want a

446
00:27:36,559 --> 00:27:40,799
really good example of how contemporaneous this time period feels,

447
00:27:40,839 --> 00:27:44,400
you can go on the Old Glory Club substack read

448
00:27:44,440 --> 00:27:48,000
an article I wrote called Bacon's Rebellion Three Lessons in Politics.

449
00:27:48,039 --> 00:27:52,119
I'm really proud of that article because it kind of

450
00:27:52,200 --> 00:27:55,000
perfectly extrapolates what I'm trying to say here. All Right,

451
00:27:55,640 --> 00:28:00,640
Virginia in the seventeenth century almost faced the exact same

452
00:28:00,680 --> 00:28:03,319
problems that a we face today. But also that is

453
00:28:03,400 --> 00:28:06,839
kind of perpetually repeated throughout American history. You know, you

454
00:28:06,880 --> 00:28:11,119
have this this this conflict between the frontier and the

455
00:28:11,599 --> 00:28:18,039
and the the established sort of coastal elites. You know

456
00:28:18,119 --> 00:28:20,960
that that that is as early as as Bacon's Rebellion,

457
00:28:21,519 --> 00:28:24,720
That is as early as the sixteen was it sixteen,

458
00:28:25,160 --> 00:28:28,640
I don't remember that. I'm always terrible at dates. As

459
00:28:28,680 --> 00:28:31,160
early as the mid sixteen hundreds, was this this this

460
00:28:31,240 --> 00:28:34,799
opposition between a frontier a sort of like real like

461
00:28:34,839 --> 00:28:37,319
a you know, like the the I don't want to

462
00:28:37,319 --> 00:28:39,559
call them the the prolls, but this idea of a

463
00:28:39,599 --> 00:28:42,480
frontier America, of a of a hard aged America versus

464
00:28:42,519 --> 00:28:48,839
sort of this coastal establishment that always looks back to Europe.

465
00:28:49,039 --> 00:28:53,519
But also if you look at the initial Virginia Company

466
00:28:54,319 --> 00:29:01,720
land claim, it includes pretty much the entire the entirety

467
00:29:01,759 --> 00:29:03,400
matter of fact, I'm gonna look it up right now,

468
00:29:03,440 --> 00:29:05,319
just so I can fact check myself. If we had it,

469
00:29:05,319 --> 00:29:10,519
we put it on the on the screen. But everyone's

470
00:29:10,519 --> 00:29:12,119
seen it. You can look it up. It's the sixteen

471
00:29:12,160 --> 00:29:14,880
oh seven or the sixteen oh nine rather than no No.

472
00:29:15,039 --> 00:29:16,640
There was a sixteen oh seven claim before it. Then

473
00:29:16,640 --> 00:29:19,039
there was a sixteen oh nine claim which which reduced it.

474
00:29:21,359 --> 00:29:28,319
But the original claim included pretty much the entire United States.

475
00:29:28,359 --> 00:29:30,960
Actually know, it was the sixteen eleven grant that added it, right,

476
00:29:31,000 --> 00:29:32,599
So if you look at the sixteen eleven grant, this

477
00:29:32,599 --> 00:29:34,359
is why I have to fact check myself, mister Pete,

478
00:29:34,400 --> 00:29:36,480
just so I can you know, just so everyone can

479
00:29:36,519 --> 00:29:41,319
fall along, all right. The sixteen eleven grant includes all

480
00:29:41,359 --> 00:29:44,799
of the present day modern United States except for South Texas,

481
00:29:44,880 --> 00:29:47,359
like the southern tip of Texas, the southern tip of Florida,

482
00:29:47,440 --> 00:29:54,839
South Florida, and very notably New England. That's very interesting.

483
00:29:54,880 --> 00:29:59,880
The initial the initial uh sixteen eleven Virginia grant or

484
00:30:00,119 --> 00:30:03,039
the sixteen oh nine KPE fear parallel was then superseded

485
00:30:03,039 --> 00:30:05,519
by the sixteen eleven Virginia Right now, it didn't stick that,

486
00:30:05,559 --> 00:30:12,799
but that was you know, the original Langran It included

487
00:30:12,839 --> 00:30:18,279
a Tijuana, Mexico, and Vancouver, Canada. It also included Alaska.

488
00:30:19,400 --> 00:30:26,880
It did not include Maine, Vermont, New Hampshire, Massachusetts, Rhode Island, Connecticut,

489
00:30:27,359 --> 00:30:31,720
most of New York, North Jersey, and like the northeast

490
00:30:31,759 --> 00:30:35,599
corner of Pennsylvania. All right, which kind of brings me

491
00:30:35,759 --> 00:30:39,920
to this other, this objection that you might raise. All right, well,

492
00:30:42,880 --> 00:30:47,599
what about New England. Virginia was founded in sixteen oh seven, Yes,

493
00:30:47,640 --> 00:30:52,960
but New England was founded in sixteen twenty two. I

494
00:30:53,079 --> 00:30:58,119
put forward to the listeners. All right, New England is

495
00:30:58,240 --> 00:31:05,119
its own unique expression of Anglo civilization on the North

496
00:31:05,119 --> 00:31:08,480
American continent, just the same as just the same as

497
00:31:08,519 --> 00:31:10,359
you know, you know, you could even make the argument that,

498
00:31:10,440 --> 00:31:14,000
like you know, Texas later on is another nation, is

499
00:31:14,039 --> 00:31:19,119
another expression, and even and even California, you know, those

500
00:31:19,279 --> 00:31:21,599
those are kind of Texas and California the two big ones.

501
00:31:21,640 --> 00:31:24,200
And some some have also started talking about Alaska. But

502
00:31:25,640 --> 00:31:29,799
those are the two like you know, big ones of

503
00:31:29,799 --> 00:31:32,160
of like you know, of like states that kind of

504
00:31:32,279 --> 00:31:35,440
you know, have almost a nascent national consciousness of themselves.

505
00:31:35,440 --> 00:31:36,920
And this is the way of things, mister Pete right,

506
00:31:36,920 --> 00:31:41,559
particularly an Anglo civilization. What do Anglos do? They split?

507
00:31:41,720 --> 00:31:44,920
They schiz them, they they found new places, they leave,

508
00:31:45,119 --> 00:31:51,799
they go elsewhere, all right, And so this is and

509
00:31:51,880 --> 00:31:55,799
this is oftentimes this is why, you know, really, ever

510
00:31:55,839 --> 00:31:59,039
since the you know, I hate going back this far,

511
00:31:59,200 --> 00:32:03,480
but you know, it's not quite two hundred years past yet. Ever,

512
00:32:03,759 --> 00:32:08,160
it's actually small little side. It is every so often

513
00:32:08,160 --> 00:32:10,960
when I remember that the Civil War isn't exactly even

514
00:32:11,000 --> 00:32:14,160
two hundred years past yet, I realize how recent it is.

515
00:32:14,200 --> 00:32:19,720
It seems like it's ancient history. But within history, two

516
00:32:19,799 --> 00:32:23,519
hundred years is about the magic number before something completely

517
00:32:23,559 --> 00:32:29,160
cycles out. You may disagree with that may and people

518
00:32:29,240 --> 00:32:33,000
may quibble over the actual amount, but two hundred years

519
00:32:33,079 --> 00:32:39,119
is about when any living memory or any any like,

520
00:32:40,680 --> 00:32:43,039
because like we still have people alive today who have

521
00:32:43,119 --> 00:32:46,720
met Confederate veterans or met Civil War veterans. You know,

522
00:32:47,359 --> 00:32:50,880
they're very old. But like, even though the Civil War

523
00:32:50,920 --> 00:32:56,200
itself is not in living memory, the people, the living

524
00:32:56,240 --> 00:33:02,519
memory of it is in living memory, right. The sixteen

525
00:33:02,559 --> 00:33:08,079
hundreds is, of course not. But ever since eighteen sixty five,

526
00:33:08,640 --> 00:33:11,519
you know, and I don't mean to take talking points,

527
00:33:11,519 --> 00:33:14,640
and I have no I'm not even really talking about

528
00:33:14,720 --> 00:33:21,759
Midwesterners or or anything like, because actually, contrary to popular belief,

529
00:33:21,759 --> 00:33:25,680
the Midwest was mostly settled by Virginia, Virginians mostly if

530
00:33:25,720 --> 00:33:29,200
you David Hackett Fisher, who wrote Albion CD, also wrote

531
00:33:29,240 --> 00:33:32,839
a book called bound Away Virginia and the Westernward Movement

532
00:33:33,440 --> 00:33:36,519
a later Virginia's later claims as a state. You know,

533
00:33:36,519 --> 00:33:42,000
everyone knows about Kentucky and West Virginia. However, Virginia also

534
00:33:42,079 --> 00:33:46,079
claimed initially in the seventeen prior to the before the

535
00:33:46,079 --> 00:33:51,759
Northwest Ordinance, It's created something like eight states, Virginia had

536
00:33:51,799 --> 00:33:55,119
complete possession of the entire Ohio River Valley and the

537
00:33:55,160 --> 00:34:00,000
Great Lakes. It had possession of Ohio, Indiana, Michigan, Wisconsin,

538
00:34:00,079 --> 00:34:05,000
and parts of Minnesota, all of Illinois, Kentucky, and West Virginia.

539
00:34:05,039 --> 00:34:06,000
Am I missing any.

540
00:34:07,519 --> 00:34:08,159
Speaker 1: I don't think so.

541
00:34:09,039 --> 00:34:11,840
Speaker 2: That whole, like the entirety of what we call the

542
00:34:11,840 --> 00:34:17,039
Midwest today was a was a territorial possession of Virginia,

543
00:34:17,440 --> 00:34:21,159
all right, and it was primarily settled by Virginian's. Really

544
00:34:21,199 --> 00:34:26,000
good example, President Benjamin Harrison in the late eighteen hundreds,

545
00:34:27,119 --> 00:34:32,960
rather unremarkable president didn't really do anything but he is

546
00:34:33,119 --> 00:34:39,079
the grandson of William Henry Harrison, or is he the

547
00:34:39,119 --> 00:34:42,039
grandson of the great grandson of William Henry Harrison, who

548
00:34:42,039 --> 00:34:44,400
was also the president and who ran from I think

549
00:34:44,440 --> 00:34:46,719
it was like Illinois or Indiana or something like that.

550
00:34:46,760 --> 00:34:49,199
He conquered the Midwest. He fought in the Blackhawk War,

551
00:34:49,239 --> 00:34:53,440
won at the Battle of TYPEC. Canoe, Big War hero.

552
00:34:54,679 --> 00:34:57,960
But he was from Charles City County, Virginia, and his

553
00:34:58,119 --> 00:35:03,159
father was benjam Harrison, Colonel Benjamin Harrison the fifth who

554
00:35:03,199 --> 00:35:05,519
was a signer of the Declaration of Independence from Virginia.

555
00:35:06,199 --> 00:35:10,880
All Right, this is like I'm I'm gonna it's it's gonna,

556
00:35:10,880 --> 00:35:13,519
I'm You're gonna hear me say Virginia a lot because

557
00:35:13,559 --> 00:35:15,880
this is this is this is I think you would admit,

558
00:35:16,000 --> 00:35:18,199
mister Pete, this is a rather big claim. It so

559
00:35:18,320 --> 00:35:20,559
you have to kind of kind of back it up,

560
00:35:20,639 --> 00:35:23,559
you know. American I and and frankly, what I am

561
00:35:23,599 --> 00:35:27,920
proposing is that Americans see self conceive heritage. Americans who

562
00:35:27,960 --> 00:35:31,960
are not specifically not from New England. You can New

563
00:35:31,960 --> 00:35:34,599
England already has its identity. You already know what to

564
00:35:34,639 --> 00:35:36,719
conceive as if you're from New England, that's it's the

565
00:35:36,719 --> 00:35:40,199
Puritan idea, that is Puritan civilization or New England purioit

566
00:35:40,239 --> 00:35:43,199
in civilization, right, it's a different expression. It works in

567
00:35:43,239 --> 00:35:49,199
New England, and everyone kind of knows where New England falls.

568
00:35:49,199 --> 00:35:51,639
It's actually the most well defined region in the United States.

569
00:35:51,639 --> 00:35:58,199
It's Maine, Massachusetts, New Hampshire, Vermont, Connecticut, Rhode Island, and

570
00:36:01,079 --> 00:36:05,239
arguably Upstate New York, but arguably not Upstate New York.

571
00:36:05,280 --> 00:36:07,599
And it really just depends on on on what side

572
00:36:07,599 --> 00:36:10,960
of the fence you're sitting on, because Upstate New York

573
00:36:11,039 --> 00:36:15,079
is actually one of the most like archetypally like American

574
00:36:15,159 --> 00:36:17,039
places that you can go to and you can live in.

575
00:36:20,079 --> 00:36:23,519
So I suggest that's a separate concept. Really good book

576
00:36:23,559 --> 00:36:26,639
on that. It's called the City State of Boston, and

577
00:36:26,679 --> 00:36:30,400
that is a sort of it's a maritime sort of

578
00:36:31,039 --> 00:36:35,440
naval republic u with with a lot more similar to

579
00:36:35,519 --> 00:36:39,800
how North Sea states like Norway, like you know, East Anglia,

580
00:36:40,480 --> 00:36:43,400
like the Netherlands. The Netherlands is is you know, very

581
00:36:43,559 --> 00:36:46,519
similar to how like New England. The sort of the

582
00:36:46,559 --> 00:36:54,119
New England Yankee idea is, right, that is its own

583
00:36:54,159 --> 00:36:58,800
civilization or it's its own like particular expression of Anglo

584
00:36:58,840 --> 00:37:03,159
civilization that is not the entire United States. And I

585
00:37:03,159 --> 00:37:06,400
think it is an issue when you project that on

586
00:37:06,440 --> 00:37:10,679
the entire United States. Now, I am not a proponent

587
00:37:10,679 --> 00:37:13,079
of Balkanization. I think that's stupid and I think that

588
00:37:13,159 --> 00:37:16,920
only helps America's enemies. However, I think it's important that

589
00:37:16,960 --> 00:37:20,039
we in order to solve this identity crisis, we need

590
00:37:20,039 --> 00:37:23,719
to start self conceiving any part of the United States.

591
00:37:23,719 --> 00:37:26,840
And I mean, Pennsylvania is a you know, but it's

592
00:37:26,880 --> 00:37:29,679
also a commonwealth. But Pennsylvania isn't New England Pennsylvania. As

593
00:37:29,679 --> 00:37:36,360
matter of fact, it's a lot closer to Virginia than

594
00:37:36,360 --> 00:37:38,239
it is the rest of New England. It's actually it's

595
00:37:38,239 --> 00:37:44,280
also yeah, and it's also a commonwealth. But besides Jamestown

596
00:37:44,280 --> 00:37:47,000
being the initial founding in just about every colony after

597
00:37:47,039 --> 00:37:50,559
that getting supplied and even settled largely by people who

598
00:37:50,639 --> 00:37:53,920
lived in Jamestown and up in the in the further

599
00:37:54,039 --> 00:38:02,239
Chesapeake Bay area, besides that, trying to think of where

600
00:38:02,239 --> 00:38:06,639
I'm going to take this, let me reassess real quick.

601
00:38:06,679 --> 00:38:08,239
Do you have anything so far, mister Pete?

602
00:38:10,320 --> 00:38:16,039
Speaker 1: No, you know, I'm just to defend my family from

603
00:38:16,039 --> 00:38:21,960
western Pennsylvania. My mom's side of the family. They if

604
00:38:21,960 --> 00:38:23,440
you were to spend time with them, and you were

605
00:38:23,480 --> 00:38:26,639
to spend time with like say, my wife's family who's

606
00:38:26,679 --> 00:38:35,679
from northern Georgia, they talk different, but they're the same people. Yeah,

607
00:38:35,960 --> 00:38:42,679
it seems like those It seems like Appalachia is as

608
00:38:42,760 --> 00:38:45,920
long as it is. And yeah, I've told this. I've

609
00:38:45,960 --> 00:38:50,639
told this story too. Let's telling Lafayette Lee that if

610
00:38:50,639 --> 00:38:54,400
you walk out into my front lawn and you turn left,

611
00:38:54,639 --> 00:38:57,800
you can see the very very last hills of Appalachia.

612
00:38:58,599 --> 00:39:02,599
I live right at the end of Appalachia now. And

613
00:39:03,800 --> 00:39:06,559
the if you walk, if you go up it and

614
00:39:06,599 --> 00:39:10,119
you study the people, even all the way up to Pennsylvania,

615
00:39:10,599 --> 00:39:19,039
going up into even upstate New York, it's remarkable how

616
00:39:21,239 --> 00:39:27,800
it's the same people. It's it's just I would dare

617
00:39:27,920 --> 00:39:30,800
somebody to argue with that with me. I don't know

618
00:39:30,800 --> 00:39:33,400
about now. I mean, I grew up a long time

619
00:39:33,440 --> 00:39:38,000
ago and spent more time out there when I was younger,

620
00:39:38,159 --> 00:39:42,280
more time upstate New York, in western New York. But

621
00:39:44,840 --> 00:39:48,440
if it's not now, there was a time when that

622
00:39:48,440 --> 00:39:53,039
that strip, that strip of land like really meant something

623
00:39:53,119 --> 00:39:59,800
and it was there was something metaphysical about the how

624
00:40:00,039 --> 00:40:04,400
everybody who was tied to that land were very similar,

625
00:40:05,199 --> 00:40:06,880
no matter what state they were living in.

626
00:40:08,440 --> 00:40:11,599
Speaker 2: Absolutely absolutely, and I think and I think it's more

627
00:40:11,639 --> 00:40:14,159
than metaphysical. I really think that, like even by blood,

628
00:40:14,199 --> 00:40:19,679
they're the same Scots, Irish or border Anglo people. And

629
00:40:19,719 --> 00:40:23,639
the thing is, too, is I suggest Appalachian culture isn't

630
00:40:24,320 --> 00:40:30,599
really Appalachian culture is the twenty first century socially acceptable

631
00:40:30,639 --> 00:40:34,400
way to say Southern culture. They're fundamentally the exact same,

632
00:40:34,880 --> 00:40:37,039
you know, they do the Yeah, there's maybe there's differences

633
00:40:37,079 --> 00:40:39,800
that mountain people have with flat land people, but they're both.

634
00:40:41,000 --> 00:40:42,840
They would both be called hicks in a in a

635
00:40:42,840 --> 00:40:48,159
different era, all right, and they're both. They are they

636
00:40:48,159 --> 00:40:52,840
are fundamentally similar enough that that they you know, they

637
00:40:53,400 --> 00:41:01,639
the comparison is there, all right, So let me continue this,

638
00:41:01,679 --> 00:41:06,760
all right? So sure, everything that is recognizable I've said

639
00:41:06,760 --> 00:41:10,400
this earlier, but everything that is recognizable as American culture

640
00:41:10,559 --> 00:41:16,400
found its origin in Virginia. What is the the one

641
00:41:17,760 --> 00:41:22,360
like you know, you know how like different ethnicities are

642
00:41:22,400 --> 00:41:24,519
kind of marked by the genre of food that they have,

643
00:41:24,599 --> 00:41:26,519
you know, Mexican food is kind of its own thing,

644
00:41:26,559 --> 00:41:28,400
even though most of it comes from Texas and most

645
00:41:28,360 --> 00:41:29,719
of all of this wasn't ment by white people. But

646
00:41:29,800 --> 00:41:34,960
like like, like, like German food has its own specific

647
00:41:35,039 --> 00:41:39,440
thing and specific flare, and Spanish food or has its

648
00:41:39,440 --> 00:41:42,159
specific flare, and French food and and and you know,

649
00:41:42,239 --> 00:41:44,599
anywhere you go it's it's like it's it's like one

650
00:41:44,639 --> 00:41:46,519
dish or a couple of dishes you can think of.

651
00:41:47,079 --> 00:41:57,199
All right, what is the American cuisine? It's barbecue, absolutely,

652
00:41:57,719 --> 00:42:02,519
it's barbecue. Bar Barbecue is the American cuisine. Now there's

653
00:42:02,559 --> 00:42:07,320
Cajun food, but like almost everyone universally recognizes that the

654
00:42:07,360 --> 00:42:11,000
Cajuns are kind of just just aliens that are inhabiting

655
00:42:11,039 --> 00:42:13,159
the current borders of the United States. It's not They're

656
00:42:13,199 --> 00:42:15,760
just not numerous enough. They're not numerous enough to be,

657
00:42:16,320 --> 00:42:19,000
you know, anything anything serious.

658
00:42:19,159 --> 00:42:20,719
Speaker 1: Pray pray for sand batch.

659
00:42:20,960 --> 00:42:27,199
Speaker 2: So true. But the American cuisine is barbecue. And you know,

660
00:42:27,239 --> 00:42:29,320
you know how you can tell us the American cuisine

661
00:42:29,320 --> 00:42:32,599
because freakin' everywhere has got its own, its own version

662
00:42:32,639 --> 00:42:36,079
of it. All right, but it is the American cuisine

663
00:42:36,079 --> 00:42:40,360
and it I'm not gonna I'm not gonna get into

664
00:42:40,440 --> 00:42:42,920
into into how it was invented and who invented it?

665
00:42:42,960 --> 00:42:48,239
Because that might make some people angry. However, it is,

666
00:42:48,360 --> 00:42:50,320
it is, it is. It is distinctly American. It has

667
00:42:50,320 --> 00:42:55,000
its origins in Virginia. The specifically it was the switch

668
00:42:55,519 --> 00:43:01,119
from mutton to pork because lambs were not able to

669
00:43:01,360 --> 00:43:04,039
exist the same way pigs were in the American colonies.

670
00:43:04,239 --> 00:43:07,239
From mutton to pork. It has its origin in the

671
00:43:07,239 --> 00:43:12,400
tide water of Virginia, and it's spread out all right,

672
00:43:13,360 --> 00:43:18,679
what is you know? So so yeah, that that's you know,

673
00:43:18,800 --> 00:43:21,519
like like even even uh it was it even American alcohol,

674
00:43:22,000 --> 00:43:30,280
you know, whiskey, bourbon. Uh, those were initially brewed in

675
00:43:32,079 --> 00:43:34,039
I don't know if they were initially brewed in Virginia,

676
00:43:34,079 --> 00:43:40,880
but they were brewed by Virginians in other places, you know.

677
00:43:40,920 --> 00:43:46,159
And then and and and I'm I'm trying to I'm

678
00:43:46,159 --> 00:43:49,719
trying to I'm kind of on new territory here, and

679
00:43:49,760 --> 00:43:52,079
I'm trying to grab what I can. But the point

680
00:43:52,119 --> 00:43:54,840
is is, it's like it's like, you know, shoot, let's

681
00:43:54,920 --> 00:43:57,400
a little bit right, let's let's talk about famous individuals, right,

682
00:43:57,440 --> 00:44:02,039
you talk about uh uh, you know, prior to the country,

683
00:44:02,159 --> 00:44:03,960
prior to the foundation of the country. You know, the

684
00:44:04,039 --> 00:44:06,760
Virginians were always the first and the foremost amongst all

685
00:44:06,800 --> 00:44:11,559
the founders of the of the you know, various American colonies.

686
00:44:11,599 --> 00:44:13,840
You know, the yeah, the first families of Virginia, the Randolphs,

687
00:44:13,840 --> 00:44:16,679
the Carters, the LEAs, et cetera. All right, a lot

688
00:44:16,679 --> 00:44:19,440
of them, a lot of them broke and formed a

689
00:44:20,079 --> 00:44:22,960
you know, breakoff family branches and other in other states,

690
00:44:25,360 --> 00:44:30,239
but most notably during and after independence. All right, Commander

691
00:44:30,239 --> 00:44:34,079
in chief of the Continental Army, very obviously George Washington

692
00:44:34,239 --> 00:44:38,159
was a Virginian. The writer of the Declaration of Independence,

693
00:44:38,159 --> 00:44:41,079
Thomas Jefferson was a Virginian. I don't mean to rehash

694
00:44:41,119 --> 00:44:43,880
all of this thing, but if you look at American history,

695
00:44:46,199 --> 00:44:49,440
the soup, with the exception of the Adams is, of course,

696
00:44:49,480 --> 00:44:58,719
but the super majority of any notable important founders or framers, right,

697
00:44:59,280 --> 00:45:02,400
first Supreme cour Chief Justice George marsh or or John Marshall.

698
00:45:02,400 --> 00:45:04,400
Not George marsh that was his, that was his descendant,

699
00:45:05,039 --> 00:45:10,559
John Marshall from Virginia. Framer of the Constitution, James Madison

700
00:45:10,559 --> 00:45:18,880
from Virginia. You know, it was uh that you had

701
00:45:18,880 --> 00:45:23,199
the Virginia dynasty of President James Monroe gave his name

702
00:45:23,719 --> 00:45:27,360
to the entire hemisphere, uh in terms of the policy

703
00:45:27,400 --> 00:45:32,199
enacted by the by the United States, and kind of

704
00:45:32,360 --> 00:45:34,639
remains in the minds of everyone. Everyone knows what the

705
00:45:34,719 --> 00:45:42,800
Monroe doctrine is. You know, it's it's it's it's Virginian's

706
00:45:42,840 --> 00:45:45,280
you know, you know, Virginians. They settled the Midwest, they

707
00:45:45,320 --> 00:45:48,719
settled the Kentucky, they settled Tennessee, they settled in in

708
00:45:48,719 --> 00:45:50,639
in the Deep South, in a lot of places. And yes,

709
00:45:50,679 --> 00:45:53,320
they came other settlers also came from places like Georgia

710
00:45:53,320 --> 00:45:58,119
and South Carolina. Sure, yes, but it all like there

711
00:45:58,199 --> 00:46:03,840
is a center, there's a war, there is a you know,

712
00:46:04,000 --> 00:46:07,920
like like there is a source to the American identity,

713
00:46:07,960 --> 00:46:13,360
to everything that comes from it. You know, almost everyone

714
00:46:13,920 --> 00:46:15,960
who you talk to will kind of agree that the

715
00:46:15,960 --> 00:46:19,280
more authentically American side of the Civil War was the

716
00:46:19,320 --> 00:46:26,320
Confederacy and you know, Robert E. Lee and and most

717
00:46:26,400 --> 00:46:30,800
all of that, you know war, Every Confederate state gave

718
00:46:31,039 --> 00:46:34,079
like almost eighty percent of their man power, but Virginia

719
00:46:35,280 --> 00:46:39,280
gross not net growth, not not not not per capita. Rather,

720
00:46:39,840 --> 00:46:45,159
Virginia gave gross more blood, treasure and all of that,

721
00:46:45,400 --> 00:46:48,280
mostly because it had more to give. North Carolina gave

722
00:46:48,320 --> 00:46:54,039
more per capita. But and the war happened in Virginia,

723
00:46:56,800 --> 00:47:00,400
Battle of Yorktown in the in the American Revolution ended

724
00:47:00,400 --> 00:47:02,639
the you know, theoretically ended the now the work went

725
00:47:02,679 --> 00:47:05,519
on for another couple of years, but basically was the

726
00:47:05,519 --> 00:47:10,719
psychological end in victory of of the American Republic happened

727
00:47:10,719 --> 00:47:17,079
like like two miles from Jamestown. I could keep going on.

728
00:47:17,159 --> 00:47:21,400
I mean when when when Thomas Jefferson made the Louisiana purchase, right,

729
00:47:21,480 --> 00:47:25,039
and that really kicked off the manifest destiny. Merriweather Lewis

730
00:47:25,119 --> 00:47:29,519
and William Clark were both Virginians. Lewis and Clark were Virginians.

731
00:47:29,760 --> 00:47:36,519
George Rogers Clark was a Virginian, another great explorer. And

732
00:47:36,599 --> 00:47:47,599
if memory serves me, right, Daniel Boone was Where was

733
00:47:47,639 --> 00:47:54,599
he born? Oh? He's born in Pennsylvania anyway, Sorry, I

734
00:47:54,880 --> 00:47:57,519
thought I thought Boone was from was from that wide area.

735
00:47:57,519 --> 00:48:03,320
But no, Boone was born in Pennsylvania regardless. Right, all

736
00:48:03,360 --> 00:48:07,440
of this is Virginia. Shoot westerns cowboys that comes from Virginia,

737
00:48:07,679 --> 00:48:11,880
all right? At what what was the first great Western

738
00:48:11,920 --> 00:48:15,519
novel that inspired Louis Lamore Zane Gray all of the

739
00:48:15,599 --> 00:48:19,360
great Western or Western you know this that was like

740
00:48:19,440 --> 00:48:23,719
after dime novels and before westerns, as the literary genre

741
00:48:23,800 --> 00:48:27,400
was really established. What was the first great Western novel?

742
00:48:27,480 --> 00:48:32,239
It was called the Virginia, right, it was called the Virginian.

743
00:48:32,280 --> 00:48:34,039
It was written by own Wister. That's the That is

744
00:48:34,079 --> 00:48:38,199
the the great Western novel. Is that novel that created

745
00:48:38,199 --> 00:48:42,800
the whole Western genre? You know, Like like I could

746
00:48:42,840 --> 00:48:47,000
talk about the military tradition beyond Washington and Lee. You know,

747
00:48:47,159 --> 00:48:50,079
George Patten's family can trace its roots to Virginia. Douglas

748
00:48:50,079 --> 00:48:55,039
MacArthur's mother, you know, MacArthur is buried in Norfolk. George C.

749
00:48:55,199 --> 00:48:59,679
Marshall came from Virginia. Like like I could keep going

750
00:48:59,719 --> 00:49:01,920
on and on and on, but like you know the

751
00:49:02,679 --> 00:49:04,760
point of this, mister Pete, you know, and I haven't

752
00:49:04,800 --> 00:49:07,119
talked about Jefferson. Jefferson people can kind of point to

753
00:49:07,199 --> 00:49:09,000
him as like the center of the American tradition. I

754
00:49:09,000 --> 00:49:13,840
have personal issues with Jefferson, but I don't deny that

755
00:49:13,920 --> 00:49:17,559
he he is fundamental to the shaping of the American character.

756
00:49:18,320 --> 00:49:21,039
And Monticello is kind of like this this sort of

757
00:49:21,079 --> 00:49:23,960
like this this micro that would be played up into

758
00:49:24,000 --> 00:49:27,000
macro of what almost every American dreams of one day having,

759
00:49:29,800 --> 00:49:32,679
you know, like, you know, plantation culture. The rest of

760
00:49:32,719 --> 00:49:36,079
the South gets its gets its culture from Virginia. Of

761
00:49:36,400 --> 00:49:43,199
William Faulkner's great novel Absalom Absalom, the protagonist Thomas Sutton,

762
00:49:43,679 --> 00:49:46,119
was white trash in Virginia who wanted to you know,

763
00:49:46,159 --> 00:49:49,760
who couldn't go through the front entrance of a plantation

764
00:49:49,920 --> 00:49:54,320
house in the tidewater, and it he never he never

765
00:49:54,400 --> 00:49:56,920
forgot it. And then he went to Mississippi to try

766
00:49:56,960 --> 00:50:01,880
to rebuild, you know, this Virginian gentleman aristocrat civilization in

767
00:50:01,960 --> 00:50:05,159
Mississippi with him as kind of the center. You know.

768
00:50:05,280 --> 00:50:07,960
So so like the examples go on and on and on,

769
00:50:08,000 --> 00:50:10,639
and I know I understand that many but argue, oh, well, well, Paul,

770
00:50:10,719 --> 00:50:14,039
you're biased because you're from Virginia. You're you're cherry picking

771
00:50:14,079 --> 00:50:17,239
these ideas. But no, I think I think there is

772
00:50:17,280 --> 00:50:28,599
something here, you know, the I believe that, you know,

773
00:50:28,639 --> 00:50:31,880
someone once said that the Civil War was when the

774
00:50:31,960 --> 00:50:36,440
North declared war on America and New England kind of

775
00:50:36,519 --> 00:50:40,519
hijacked the federal institution of the of the United States government.

776
00:50:40,559 --> 00:50:44,920
I'm not saying this polemically, I'm not trying to fight

777
00:50:45,000 --> 00:50:49,719
today's battles with with yesterday. That's not what I'm trying

778
00:50:49,719 --> 00:50:54,920
to do. And I am saying is that New England

779
00:50:55,079 --> 00:50:59,519
is its own country, is its own self insulated area,

780
00:50:59,679 --> 00:51:02,039
is its own sort of culture form as it wore,

781
00:51:02,159 --> 00:51:04,039
is its own almost you could even almost say that

782
00:51:04,079 --> 00:51:07,079
it's its own high culture in and of itself, just

783
00:51:07,119 --> 00:51:10,239
in a smaller geographic area. It's its own cultural expression

784
00:51:10,280 --> 00:51:17,280
of broader Anglo civilization. But America, whether you're in California,

785
00:51:17,599 --> 00:51:21,280
you go to California, rural California, and it's you know,

786
00:51:21,840 --> 00:51:26,119
bringing border Anglo herders whose families came from Virginia. I

787
00:51:26,159 --> 00:51:32,639
was in California going to going to a wife's family

788
00:51:32,679 --> 00:51:38,599
member's wedding, and yeah I was, and there were cowboys

789
00:51:38,599 --> 00:51:40,320
at that wedding and I started talking to them. I'm like, oh,

790
00:51:40,320 --> 00:51:42,159
I'm from Virginia, and they're like, oh, my family came

791
00:51:42,199 --> 00:51:44,239
from Virginia. They came out and they settled here in

792
00:51:44,280 --> 00:51:47,719
the in the in the rural Sierra mountains, you know,

793
00:51:47,760 --> 00:51:52,280
after the Civil War. Like like, look, this is this

794
00:51:52,360 --> 00:51:55,760
is not hard to track, you know, this is not

795
00:51:56,280 --> 00:52:03,239
particularly like you know, difficult. Yes, you could say, oh,

796
00:52:03,239 --> 00:52:05,599
well they what if they originated in Georgia or what

797
00:52:05,639 --> 00:52:07,599
are they originated South Carolina? Or what did they originate

798
00:52:07,599 --> 00:52:11,280
in Pennsylvania? Whatever? Yes, fine, but there was a first,

799
00:52:12,880 --> 00:52:15,000
and that first was the one who ensured that all

800
00:52:15,000 --> 00:52:19,960
those little seeds after it were cultivated. Ships from Virginia

801
00:52:20,119 --> 00:52:23,320
supplied then even in New England, ships from Virginia supplied

802
00:52:23,320 --> 00:52:26,480
the Plymouth Bay or the Plymouth the Plymouth Colony, not

803
00:52:26,480 --> 00:52:28,840
not the Plymouth Bay. Massachusetts Bay was a separate thing.

804
00:52:29,119 --> 00:52:33,599
Supply the Plymouth Colony, which was starving. Virginia. Ships supplied

805
00:52:33,599 --> 00:52:37,159
it with food to keep it from from Jamestown, to

806
00:52:37,239 --> 00:52:47,920
keep it from starving. So that is kind of kind

807
00:52:47,920 --> 00:52:52,000
of sum this all up. You know, Virginia is, you know,

808
00:52:52,079 --> 00:52:54,840
from that sixteen eleven grant, it's just been made smaller

809
00:52:54,840 --> 00:52:56,840
and smaller and smaller and smaller and smaller. It's been

810
00:52:56,840 --> 00:52:58,639
made more and more and more and more specific of

811
00:52:58,679 --> 00:53:03,440
a place of like old Virginia. But the idea of

812
00:53:03,519 --> 00:53:09,000
Anglo civilization on the North American continent finds its genesis

813
00:53:09,039 --> 00:53:14,079
in Virginia. And I don't know if I would, if

814
00:53:14,119 --> 00:53:19,280
I would, I mean I might, I might actually put

815
00:53:19,280 --> 00:53:21,559
this forward. This might actually help, this might actually solve.

816
00:53:21,599 --> 00:53:26,440
The problem is if you if you, you know, you changed,

817
00:53:27,079 --> 00:53:30,599
you change the name of the United States of America

818
00:53:30,639 --> 00:53:32,400
into like, you know, I don't know, like the Republic

819
00:53:32,440 --> 00:53:37,119
of Virginia or something like that. You know, names, names

820
00:53:37,199 --> 00:53:40,199
really do mean something. In the United States of America

821
00:53:40,280 --> 00:53:42,639
is kind of like a legal you know, it's it's

822
00:53:42,639 --> 00:53:49,639
it's impersonal. But France, the Netherlands or Holland or whatever,

823
00:53:49,920 --> 00:53:57,199
or Spain, Portugal, England, these these are places that are

824
00:53:57,280 --> 00:54:03,519
tied to peoples, all right, And I believe that the

825
00:54:03,559 --> 00:54:06,760
American people to heritage American people in order for them

826
00:54:06,840 --> 00:54:14,760
to continue as a self conceived identity that is both

827
00:54:14,920 --> 00:54:19,320
an attempt to refound what existed in the past and

828
00:54:19,480 --> 00:54:24,360
a new founding, if you will, and to make a

829
00:54:24,400 --> 00:54:27,800
break from the very harmful things in the past. I

830
00:54:27,920 --> 00:54:33,360
believe that beginning the self conception of Virginian civilization, as

831
00:54:33,440 --> 00:54:37,719
much as it can possibly be conceived, I believe would

832
00:54:37,760 --> 00:54:41,920
solve the identity crisis that the United States currently faces.

833
00:54:44,559 --> 00:54:53,599
Speaker 1: Well, yeah, that's when you take into account. If you

834
00:54:53,840 --> 00:54:57,639
were to ask, I mean ten random Americans from ten

835
00:54:57,760 --> 00:55:03,679
random states or I mean, now you have it stuck

836
00:55:03,679 --> 00:55:07,360
in my head. You know, what kind of American are you?

837
00:55:07,360 --> 00:55:10,519
You're going to get ten different answers. There's nothing to

838
00:55:10,599 --> 00:55:14,360
rally around, you know, And I guess that's one of

839
00:55:14,400 --> 00:55:19,840
the biggest problems, right. Yeah, as soon as a country,

840
00:55:19,920 --> 00:55:23,039
as soon as a nation, let's say a nation, as

841
00:55:23,079 --> 00:55:27,119
soon as a people starts to rally around something common,

842
00:55:29,880 --> 00:55:32,719
wars declared upon him. And it doesn't have to be

843
00:55:32,760 --> 00:55:39,079
a shooting war. It could be tens of millions of immigrants,

844
00:55:39,159 --> 00:55:44,519
just you know, of foreigners forced upon them. It could

845
00:55:44,599 --> 00:55:49,480
be when now a man can become a woman. It

846
00:55:49,519 --> 00:55:53,079
could be you know, oh you go to church. Yeah,

847
00:55:53,079 --> 00:55:57,760
I mean we dismiss you for going. You're dismissed from

848
00:55:57,840 --> 00:56:02,360
any kind of want a job in academia, and you

849
00:56:02,440 --> 00:56:05,559
go to church. Now that's not going to happen. Oh

850
00:56:05,559 --> 00:56:11,320
you're a white man. Oh no. This is what happens

851
00:56:12,079 --> 00:56:18,079
when a people decides that they're going to have a

852
00:56:18,119 --> 00:56:22,920
common identity. And it's been happening for over one hundred years.

853
00:56:24,599 --> 00:56:29,480
And the ones who do get left alone, say in

854
00:56:29,639 --> 00:56:36,039
Japan they're under occupation anyway, So I mean, really, what

855
00:56:36,079 --> 00:56:40,039
are they going to do? They can't build a military

856
00:56:40,880 --> 00:56:42,519
They can't you know, they're not going to become a

857
00:56:42,559 --> 00:56:56,519
military power. Yeah, it's just teaching just the United States,

858
00:56:57,480 --> 00:57:03,199
the nation Americans deciding that they're going to have a

859
00:57:03,239 --> 00:57:07,960
common identity means that war is going to be declared

860
00:57:08,039 --> 00:57:12,000
upon them. And I don't think most people are ready

861
00:57:12,000 --> 00:57:12,199
for that.

862
00:57:13,000 --> 00:57:16,320
Speaker 3: Well, and I I agree with you, and I think

863
00:57:16,360 --> 00:57:22,000
that perhaps even the entire mental conception of the United

864
00:57:22,000 --> 00:57:25,920
States of the Americans is actually in negation to that

865
00:57:25,960 --> 00:57:26,519
there is no.

866
00:57:27,440 --> 00:57:30,480
Speaker 2: One American people. And if there was, and it's been changed.

867
00:57:31,280 --> 00:57:36,119
But you know, and even if Virginian is not the answer,

868
00:57:36,159 --> 00:57:38,480
I think it's a step. Even if it is, it

869
00:57:38,519 --> 00:57:40,960
is a step closer to what the answer is because

870
00:57:42,039 --> 00:57:46,639
when you say Virginian, you cannot think of anything other

871
00:57:46,679 --> 00:57:50,079
than Washington and Lee, two of the most you know,

872
00:57:50,639 --> 00:57:53,480
Washington is still is still is still is kind of

873
00:57:53,639 --> 00:58:00,280
you know, spared. But Lee is maligned and you have.

874
00:58:00,239 --> 00:58:05,480
Speaker 1: Too, I'm sorry you have to remember sure, Yeah, I mean,

875
00:58:05,519 --> 00:58:09,719
I agree, I agree, Virginia is is the high culture

876
00:58:11,039 --> 00:58:14,760
or was and needs to get it back. But look

877
00:58:14,760 --> 00:58:19,719
what's look what's right there? You have Mordor has been

878
00:58:19,760 --> 00:58:24,639
set up right there look at Austin Austin, Texas. To me,

879
00:58:24,760 --> 00:58:27,960
Texas is its own country, always has been. The se

880
00:58:28,039 --> 00:58:30,440
Hanos are like some of the coolest fucking people on

881
00:58:30,480 --> 00:58:32,559
the planets. You just go there and hang out with them.

882
00:58:32,599 --> 00:58:34,800
Speaker 2: Houston and Steven Austin were both born in Virginia.

883
00:58:34,840 --> 00:58:39,639
Speaker 1: Anyway, keep going, Yeah, you'll find the in that in

884
00:58:39,679 --> 00:58:42,400
that list of people, you'll find actually my wife's dad's

885
00:58:42,760 --> 00:58:52,360
family name, as as as founders. The where's Fort Hood.

886
00:58:53,039 --> 00:58:56,840
It's an hour up the highway from from the capitol.

887
00:58:58,679 --> 00:59:02,519
All you gotta do is we're all tanks on there. It's

888
00:59:02,559 --> 00:59:07,199
an occupation. There's no reason we should have military There's

889
00:59:07,239 --> 00:59:11,039
a reason we have military bases in the United States,

890
00:59:11,159 --> 00:59:14,039
and there's a reason that what ninety five percent of

891
00:59:14,039 --> 00:59:19,519
them were built after the War of Northern Aggression. It's

892
00:59:19,519 --> 00:59:23,360
not there to train the troops. It's there to quell

893
00:59:23,400 --> 00:59:27,320
the rebellion. It's there as a threat to the people.

894
00:59:30,119 --> 00:59:34,639
Speaker 2: Well, there was a there was a similar issue with

895
00:59:34,760 --> 00:59:39,480
forts in the American territories and in a quote unquote

896
00:59:39,480 --> 00:59:44,719
military occupation that Virginia that Virginia responded to in the past.

897
00:59:45,079 --> 00:59:49,239
So I do agree with you, you know, yes, there's

898
00:59:49,519 --> 00:59:53,920
there's great powers levied against the idea of a unified

899
00:59:53,960 --> 00:59:59,320
identity amongst amongst those people like you know that we

900
00:59:59,400 --> 01:00:03,840
call heritage Americans and whomever adopts that. But at the

901
01:00:03,880 --> 01:00:08,320
same time, you know, yeah, the power was over an

902
01:00:08,320 --> 01:00:12,599
ocean the last time, but this time it just makes

903
01:00:12,639 --> 01:00:15,159
it all that easier for us to to you know,

904
01:00:15,519 --> 01:00:18,159
achieve final victory. You know, it's it's it's look, you know,

905
01:00:21,000 --> 01:00:24,239
if you want to be like the founders of this nation,

906
01:00:24,320 --> 01:00:26,719
who are all racialist Christians, by the way, no matter what,

907
01:00:27,320 --> 01:00:29,519
you know, with a few notable exceptions, of course, there

908
01:00:29,519 --> 01:00:32,760
were daists. There there were you know, people I think

909
01:00:32,800 --> 01:00:37,400
should not be admired for their religious beliefs. But if

910
01:00:37,400 --> 01:00:42,199
you want to emulate that example, which by the way,

911
01:00:42,280 --> 01:00:45,800
was not the was not the creation of something new,

912
01:00:45,840 --> 01:00:48,599
it was the restoration of something old that had been lost.

913
01:00:48,639 --> 01:00:57,159
That was Jefferson's whole legal theory behind behind separation is that,

914
01:00:57,199 --> 01:00:59,599
you know, hey, you know, Parliament has no authority. Their

915
01:00:59,679 --> 01:01:02,280
issue not with the king, by the way, their issue

916
01:01:02,360 --> 01:01:07,880
was with parliament. What is it the the the you know,

917
01:01:08,039 --> 01:01:11,920
Jefferson theorizes that you know, hey, since Parliament did not

918
01:01:12,079 --> 01:01:15,119
aid in the establishment of the United States. It was

919
01:01:15,199 --> 01:01:19,199
established almost entirely by private ventures, with a little bit

920
01:01:19,199 --> 01:01:21,360
of you know, state funding here and there. But because

921
01:01:22,639 --> 01:01:25,400
it was not established with the aid of parliament, Parliament

922
01:01:25,400 --> 01:01:28,719
has no authority to tax the United States. And so

923
01:01:28,800 --> 01:01:32,320
therefore the American colonies were only loyal to the king,

924
01:01:33,480 --> 01:01:37,719
you know, as as Englishmen were. And the execution of

925
01:01:37,800 --> 01:01:40,119
Charles the First was very much within recent memory. So

926
01:01:41,199 --> 01:01:43,800
you know, the idea that you could just simply declare

927
01:01:43,840 --> 01:01:48,280
yourself a separate nation wasn't whatever your opinions of Charles

928
01:01:48,280 --> 01:01:54,920
the First and kingship and all that. So and frankly,

929
01:01:54,960 --> 01:01:56,519
you know, parliament, you know, I mean, I could even

930
01:01:56,519 --> 01:01:58,719
take the pro monarchist point on this. Is like Parliament

931
01:01:58,760 --> 01:02:02,159
under George the third had completely abused its power, was

932
01:02:02,199 --> 01:02:05,960
totally out of touch. Was was, you know, starting wars

933
01:02:05,960 --> 01:02:10,079
that you know, I mean that the Americans had to

934
01:02:10,079 --> 01:02:13,159
fight for I mean, I don't know, and then taxing

935
01:02:13,280 --> 01:02:16,480
Americans without giving them any representation with as to how

936
01:02:16,519 --> 01:02:19,239
they were governed. You know, Charlemaine said in his speech

937
01:02:19,239 --> 01:02:22,559
at the OGC event. You know, things like things like

938
01:02:22,679 --> 01:02:27,519
representation in government, things like you know, the rule of law,

939
01:02:27,679 --> 01:02:30,719
things like keeping your government and power accountable to someone.

940
01:02:30,920 --> 01:02:34,320
Those are not bad things, you know, just because as

941
01:02:34,360 --> 01:02:36,719
a matter of fact, our problem today is not with

942
01:02:36,920 --> 01:02:40,360
those things. It's with the absence of those things. We

943
01:02:40,480 --> 01:02:43,239
just live under a tyranny today. We don't live under

944
01:02:43,239 --> 01:02:45,880
a good government. Yes, you can make critiques of democracy,

945
01:02:45,920 --> 01:02:48,320
and you can say that, yes people are stupid and

946
01:02:48,360 --> 01:02:50,559
don't deserve to vote, but America's a republic was not

947
01:02:50,639 --> 01:02:54,800
set up to be that way. You know. The federal

948
01:02:54,840 --> 01:02:59,159
constitution was just a scaling up model of Virginia's constitution, right,

949
01:02:59,199 --> 01:03:02,199
which was you know, adopted in the mid seventeen hundreds

950
01:03:02,239 --> 01:03:08,000
by governor Governor Gooch, who I think is understudied because

951
01:03:08,079 --> 01:03:10,639
Virginia went through some serious political crises at that time,

952
01:03:11,920 --> 01:03:15,679
and it was able to maintain a stable domestic political

953
01:03:15,719 --> 01:03:19,519
system that lasted well into the eighteen hundreds, even up

954
01:03:19,599 --> 01:03:23,280
until the Civil War. Really, but you know, like but like,

955
01:03:23,880 --> 01:03:31,159
America had precedent. America was modeled initially on the aristocratic

956
01:03:31,199 --> 01:03:34,320
republics of Europe. It was modeled off of the Republic

957
01:03:34,360 --> 01:03:37,000
of Venice. It was modeled off of the Republic of

958
01:03:37,000 --> 01:03:40,320
the Netherlands. It was modeled off of the Republic of

959
01:03:41,480 --> 01:03:46,119
the Commonwealth of England. You know under Cromwell these this

960
01:03:46,320 --> 01:03:48,440
was you know, even even the Swiss Republic, right, this

961
01:03:48,679 --> 01:03:53,519
was precedented. You know, this was not beyond the pale,

962
01:03:54,440 --> 01:03:57,519
and it was meant to be an aristocratic republic with

963
01:03:57,679 --> 01:04:02,119
land owning, you know, the active citizenship I think it

964
01:04:02,199 --> 01:04:06,400
was seventeen ninety six was the first active citizenship that

965
01:04:06,440 --> 01:04:10,719
defined citizenship. And that's the free, the land owning white

966
01:04:10,719 --> 01:04:13,239
men of good character, and that's what it was meant

967
01:04:13,239 --> 01:04:15,519
to be. That's what it was meant to be. In

968
01:04:15,559 --> 01:04:18,559
A friend of mine thinks that Jackson is where everything

969
01:04:18,599 --> 01:04:20,280
went wrong. But I don't even want to want to

970
01:04:20,519 --> 01:04:25,519
approach that. But we're kind of going a little bit

971
01:04:25,639 --> 01:04:28,119
a little bit over over the time we usually do

972
01:04:28,159 --> 01:04:29,920
these four, so I'll kind of just I'll just I'll

973
01:04:29,960 --> 01:04:33,360
just bring it back, like, yes, common identity amongst the

974
01:04:33,440 --> 01:04:38,280
people is attacked. Sure, However, the one place that has,

975
01:04:39,400 --> 01:04:45,960
frankly the rural population, the cultural memory, the traditions, the

976
01:04:46,320 --> 01:04:51,159
economic know how, the military know how not centralized within

977
01:04:51,199 --> 01:04:54,400
the government, but rather dispersed amongst the populace, although at

978
01:04:54,440 --> 01:04:58,719
an increasingly at an increasingly lesser and lesser rate as

979
01:04:58,719 --> 01:05:02,519
the younger generations are born, an indoctrinated, and specifically put

980
01:05:02,519 --> 01:05:07,119
into certain areas. This is the one place where some

981
01:05:07,239 --> 01:05:12,679
sort of resistance to tyranny, you know, And what's the

982
01:05:12,679 --> 01:05:15,199
motto of Virginia. We all we all know what comes

983
01:05:15,199 --> 01:05:17,960
to tyrants, what always comes to tyrants. This is the

984
01:05:17,960 --> 01:05:21,320
one place where it could work using the model of

985
01:05:21,400 --> 01:05:25,000
the foundation of English speaking civilization on the North American

986
01:05:25,039 --> 01:05:31,320
continent that is not in New England, Virginia. And once

987
01:05:31,360 --> 01:05:34,000
again I think that this is that you know, before

988
01:05:34,039 --> 01:05:36,079
you even missed a people, before you even start something

989
01:05:36,119 --> 01:05:38,360
like this, you have to there's a lot of idea

990
01:05:38,440 --> 01:05:43,639
work that goes into it. And there were enough Americans

991
01:05:43,639 --> 01:05:50,599
who self conceived of themselves as America only not British Americans,

992
01:05:50,639 --> 01:05:54,480
not colonists, not subjects, but a new, a separate people.

993
01:05:56,159 --> 01:06:03,199
And perhaps the thing that helped them at that time

994
01:06:03,280 --> 01:06:05,559
has become our means of slavery in this time. And

995
01:06:05,599 --> 01:06:07,719
perhaps the first thing we need to do is conceive

996
01:06:07,760 --> 01:06:13,000
of ourselves as something older than American, something closer to

997
01:06:13,039 --> 01:06:16,119
what it is we're trying to recapture. And so that

998
01:06:16,280 --> 01:06:19,920
is just simply the solution I present here in this episode.

999
01:06:19,960 --> 01:06:22,000
I'll also be writing an article on this, but this

1000
01:06:22,159 --> 01:06:24,760
is simply what I have to suggest.

1001
01:06:27,079 --> 01:06:31,320
Speaker 1: All right, Well, I mean I love it because it

1002
01:06:31,360 --> 01:06:33,760
makes a lot of sense to me, especially after reading

1003
01:06:33,800 --> 01:06:39,840
Yaki Spangler, and uh. I also know it's gonna upset

1004
01:06:39,880 --> 01:06:43,000
a lot of people, so I mean that's just it's

1005
01:06:43,079 --> 01:06:47,880
win win for me. It's perfect, perfect, Absolutely, this is

1006
01:06:47,880 --> 01:06:48,760
what we do, isn't it.

1007
01:06:49,320 --> 01:06:52,559
Speaker 2: Absolutely? And once again, like if you're from the north,

1008
01:06:52,760 --> 01:06:54,960
like specific and not even almost the north, like specifically

1009
01:06:54,960 --> 01:06:56,599
New England, if you're from there, I'm not trying to

1010
01:06:57,360 --> 01:06:59,280
I'm not trying to besmirch you guys. I don't have

1011
01:06:59,320 --> 01:07:03,159
a polemical need to do that. But I want the

1012
01:07:03,280 --> 01:07:06,679
categories to be accurate. I want the United States and

1013
01:07:06,679 --> 01:07:11,480
the various constituent parts to be accurately described and categorized.

1014
01:07:11,480 --> 01:07:13,760
And that is why I believe that New England, small

1015
01:07:13,840 --> 01:07:16,480
as it is, is its own place and should. I

1016
01:07:16,480 --> 01:07:19,440
would perfectly support you all doing what you wanted to

1017
01:07:19,440 --> 01:07:22,039
do in like the Hartford Convention and be your own country.

1018
01:07:22,039 --> 01:07:28,800
I'm completely okay with that, frankly, because I don't know.

1019
01:07:28,800 --> 01:07:31,000
You guys are smart, you'll figure it out. But like, yeah, no,

1020
01:07:31,039 --> 01:07:34,119
that's all I'm saying. You know, and if and if

1021
01:07:34,159 --> 01:07:36,639
any of you doubt me, you know, post it in

1022
01:07:36,679 --> 01:07:39,360
the comments, call me the freaking fed like you guys

1023
01:07:39,400 --> 01:07:47,280
usually do. I'm just kidding. Pizza listeners are great, you know. Anyway,

1024
01:07:47,400 --> 01:07:49,119
this is this is this is this is, this is

1025
01:07:49,159 --> 01:07:51,239
what I got.

1026
01:07:50,880 --> 01:07:54,800
Speaker 1: So I just don't read the comments. It's, like I've said,

1027
01:07:54,880 --> 01:08:02,039
often it's YouTube and and rumble and comments like that,

1028
01:08:02,760 --> 01:08:04,119
swear intellct goes to die.

1029
01:08:05,639 --> 01:08:08,119
Speaker 2: Yeah, I just can't help myself sometimes.

1030
01:08:09,039 --> 01:08:11,760
Speaker 1: Yeah, all right, so what do you guys plugged? Like,

1031
01:08:11,800 --> 01:08:12,760
I don't know what it's going to be?

1032
01:08:12,920 --> 01:08:16,880
Speaker 2: Yeah, old Glory Club also, you know, yeah, old Glory Club.

1033
01:08:16,920 --> 01:08:20,399
But but if you're particularly interested in this topic, I

1034
01:08:20,439 --> 01:08:23,199
wrote a series of short stories called A Country Squire's

1035
01:08:23,199 --> 01:08:28,119
Notebook that is sitting on my gum road. It's yeah,

1036
01:08:28,119 --> 01:08:29,880
you got to pay for it. I mean, I'm sorry,

1037
01:08:29,960 --> 01:08:35,079
I'm I'm broke. I need money, but but yeah, I

1038
01:08:35,119 --> 01:08:39,039
mean it's it's I've everyone who's read it has liked it.

1039
01:08:39,680 --> 01:08:41,840
Whenever I figure out how to publish it physically, I'm

1040
01:08:41,840 --> 01:08:44,680
going to do that. It's unfortunately it's just an ebook format.

1041
01:08:44,720 --> 01:08:48,840
I'm sorry, but it's collection a bunch of short stories

1042
01:08:48,840 --> 01:08:51,119
set in the set in the Commonwealth of Virginia, in

1043
01:08:51,159 --> 01:08:55,119
this sort of fantasy universe I've created, which I'm attempting

1044
01:08:55,159 --> 01:09:00,960
to use as a kind of means to invent, invent

1045
01:09:01,000 --> 01:09:01,640
a new people.

1046
01:09:04,920 --> 01:09:07,439
Speaker 1: Well, I always link to it when you're on, so

1047
01:09:08,479 --> 01:09:11,279
I will do that again. I appreciate it, Paul, Thank

1048
01:09:11,319 --> 01:09:11,880
you very much.

1049
01:09:12,079 --> 01:09:13,000
Speaker 2: Thank you, mister Pete