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<v Speaker 1>It's time for coffee and company, fueled by Thornton's on

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<v Speaker 1>Sports Talk seven nine day. Now here's Nick Coffee.

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<v Speaker 2>Because Louisville's lost SMU was one of the early results

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<v Speaker 2>in the college football Saturday. Like, I hadn't even thought

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<v Speaker 2>about it, but a couple of people have asked on

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<v Speaker 2>the text line, you know, where would Louisville have been

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<v Speaker 2>in the rankings and like in the playoff picture had

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<v Speaker 2>they won? And I don't think the playoff picture would

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<v Speaker 2>have changed. I mean there was no real upsets in

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<v Speaker 2>the ACC. I mean it was just elsewhere. I mean,

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<v Speaker 2>cayl should have beat Miami, but they didn't. So Miami

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<v Speaker 2>still is the top ranked team and one of the

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<v Speaker 2>you know, undefeated teams in the ACC. So it really

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<v Speaker 2>you know, maybe I don't know if this makes you

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<v Speaker 2>feel any better given you know, what happened with Louisville

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<v Speaker 2>as far as just another disappointing performance overall. But I

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<v Speaker 2>don't really know if they would have I mean, they

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<v Speaker 2>clearly would have jumped up a little bit in the

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<v Speaker 2>rankings and the app pole just because a lot of

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<v Speaker 2>teams lost. But and we love seeing that number next

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<v Speaker 2>to our name, and you know, it does make you

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<v Speaker 2>feel good, and there's some perception there if you're ranked,

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<v Speaker 2>and you must be pretty good. But the only rankings

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<v Speaker 2>that really matter anymore the ones that we're gonna get

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<v Speaker 2>in a few weeks when we get the college football

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<v Speaker 2>playoff rankings. So Saturday was wild, and it was it

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<v Speaker 2>was crazy to see all the upsets, especially Vandy in Alabama.

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<v Speaker 2>I mean, that's I don't know, if you guys saw

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<v Speaker 2>Lane Kiffin during his postgame press conference after they demolished

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<v Speaker 2>South Carolina, I got that one wrong. You know, he

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<v Speaker 2>was kind of you know, he apologized to those asking

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<v Speaker 2>questions in a press conference because he was not paying attention,

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<v Speaker 2>he was looking at the TV in the room wherever

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<v Speaker 2>he was, because he was witnessing what you really thought

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<v Speaker 2>you'd never see. I mean, I could live three hundred

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<v Speaker 2>years and I'd have told you, you know, good chance

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<v Speaker 2>I never see Vandy in football beat Alabama, and they did.

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<v Speaker 2>I mean, it's you know, you've seen number one teams

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<v Speaker 2>go down before to big underdogs. But you got to

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<v Speaker 2>think about the brand of Vandy football. There's bottom feeders

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<v Speaker 2>in every league, but has anybody ever been consistently just

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<v Speaker 2>that bad in their own conference, and yes, their conference

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<v Speaker 2>is the best conference in college football. We know that,

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<v Speaker 2>but like you, when you think of programs that clearly

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<v Speaker 2>don't have a whole lot to do with the success

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<v Speaker 2>of a conference when it comes to football, I mean,

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<v Speaker 2>of all the conferences out there, especially in the Power four,

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<v Speaker 2>Power five in the previous world, Vandy comes to mind

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<v Speaker 2>before anybody because they're just like there's sometimes where you

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<v Speaker 2>could look at the second to third, second or third

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<v Speaker 2>to last team in the SEC, and you know, you

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<v Speaker 2>might say, Okay, if they go to a different power

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<v Speaker 2>for a league, they're still not going to be good,

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<v Speaker 2>but they'd probably be middle of the pack. You really

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<v Speaker 2>wouldn't say that about Vandy. I mean this year you can,

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<v Speaker 2>but like even this year they lost to Georgia State,

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<v Speaker 2>so like Vandy is Vandy, and for them to go

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<v Speaker 2>out there and really just be better than Alabama for

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<v Speaker 2>that entire game and hold on and win was insane.

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<v Speaker 2>And the way they celebrated afterwards was awesome. I mean

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<v Speaker 2>it was you know, I know, guys are getting paid now.

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<v Speaker 2>Nil of course is a big factor in sports, and

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<v Speaker 2>that's not going anywhere. It's very much professional sports now.

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<v Speaker 2>But because it was Vandy that did it, Like it

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<v Speaker 2>kind of gave you that wholesome feeling that we probably

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<v Speaker 2>won't get very often anymore in college sports because you know,

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<v Speaker 2>it's Vandy.

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<v Speaker 3>I saw you ask for a link to the Alabama

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<v Speaker 3>postgame radio show. Did you listen to any of that?

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<v Speaker 2>So I fired it up and at that point it

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<v Speaker 2>was just the network coverage, So it was like it

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<v Speaker 2>was the It wasn't a call in show. It it

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<v Speaker 2>was the Alabama network, which of course they were dejected

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<v Speaker 2>and not happy. But you know, I didn't stick around

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<v Speaker 2>to hear angry callers, you know, and I'm not really

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<v Speaker 2>I'm sure they're upset, but like, I haven't really seen

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<v Speaker 2>a whole lot of uh oh, Kaylen de bor is

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<v Speaker 2>in big trouble, you know what I mean?

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<v Speaker 3>Because it's weird. You're coming off of a massive win

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<v Speaker 3>against Georgia right before that, and then you have one

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<v Speaker 3>of the worst losses in the last team.

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<v Speaker 2>Really, you're in the history of your program, and you know,

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<v Speaker 2>I think you know you're good enough to be I mean,

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<v Speaker 2>you win a championship this year, nobody'd be surprised even

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<v Speaker 2>following that loss. I think that's still something that can

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<v Speaker 2>be said, but it's also one of those things where

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<v Speaker 2>you really learned with that l why replacing Nick Saban

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<v Speaker 2>as impossible. Not to say other coaches won't do really

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<v Speaker 2>well there, but there's no way Nick Saban loses that game, right, I.

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<v Speaker 3>Mean, you heard you put this comment on Twitter or

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<v Speaker 3>it was a video or conversation between him and Pat

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<v Speaker 3>McAfee of him saying that the easiest place there's no

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<v Speaker 3>easy place to play in the SEC except for Vanderbilt.

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<v Speaker 2>And I'm pretty sure he had said it just two

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<v Speaker 2>weeks prior.

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<v Speaker 4>But the only place you play in the SEC that's

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<v Speaker 4>not hard to play is Vanderbilt Vandailt.

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<v Speaker 3>You have more fans there than they have. And that's

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<v Speaker 3>no disrespect to them, it's not.

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<v Speaker 2>It's just and again that that's not even him claiming

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<v Speaker 2>like that's not a that's not a shot at Vandy.

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<v Speaker 2>I mean it is, but I think he's just telling

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<v Speaker 2>the truth. Like anybody in the SEC knows that. Like

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<v Speaker 2>everybody's laughing because that's not what you typically hear a

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<v Speaker 2>coach say. But like again, we're talking about Vandy. Yeah,

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<v Speaker 2>when you play them there, you will have more fans

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<v Speaker 2>than them because it's Vandy and his. Nashville has become

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<v Speaker 2>like the most overcrowded city in the world, it seems.

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<v Speaker 2>I mean, I'm I'm exaggerating, but like I used to

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<v Speaker 2>love Nashville, I don't really have any interest in doing

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<v Speaker 2>anything in Nashville. Not to say I won't go there

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<v Speaker 2>for something at some point, but like.

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<v Speaker 3>It's like Hollywood East now. Yeah.

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah, so like the more popular and trendy that Nashville

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<v Speaker 2>has become, Like celebrities are moving there. Like it's I mean,

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<v Speaker 2>it's crazy what that city is now compared to what

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<v Speaker 2>it was like twenty years ago, even ten years ago.

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<v Speaker 2>But like the type of people that or really the

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<v Speaker 2>new Nashville vibe. They don't give a damn about Vandy football.

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<v Speaker 2>I mean not that people in Nashville ever really did,

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<v Speaker 2>but like because it's now that city, you've got fans

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<v Speaker 2>that make Vandy the trip. Right, We're gonna go to

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<v Speaker 2>one road game year, We're gonna go to Vandy. Why

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<v Speaker 2>not because it's Nashville and we'll be on the road,

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<v Speaker 2>but will actually be the home team because they don't

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<v Speaker 2>have any fans. Like it's just almost like, hey, anybody

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<v Speaker 2>playing Vandy at their place, you can basically have eighty

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<v Speaker 2>percent of the stadium and you get a weekend in Nashville,

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<v Speaker 2>like that's kind of what it was.

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<v Speaker 3>And as you being somebody in downtown Nashville that evening

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<v Speaker 3>and you see the goalposts coming down Broadway and being

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<v Speaker 3>the most confused human beings alive because you have no

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<v Speaker 3>idea what massive upset just happened.

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah, And I saw a lot of people mentioning that,

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<v Speaker 2>and I'm sure there were many that are from other

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<v Speaker 2>countries that are there experiencing downtown Nashville Broadway and they

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<v Speaker 2>don't follow college football. But I don't know, Like to me,

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<v Speaker 2>I guess I just can't relate, cause I know you're right,

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<v Speaker 2>like there's no doubt there are people that were there

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<v Speaker 2>experiencing Nashville that don't care about college football, and if

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<v Speaker 2>they do, they don't care about Vandy. But I just

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<v Speaker 2>I don't know, Like I can't relate to people who

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<v Speaker 2>don't have like a Saturday where they're just keeping up

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<v Speaker 2>with what's going on in college football. Clearly there's many

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<v Speaker 2>people that don't, and you know they're probably not sad

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<v Speaker 2>like I am, because Louisville football makes me sad. And

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<v Speaker 2>if I didn't have that emotional connection, that emotional investment

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<v Speaker 2>in my team, I wouldn't be sad, and I was

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<v Speaker 2>very sad on Saturday. But all in all, I think

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<v Speaker 2>to see the shakeup elsewhere it actually made it, you know,

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<v Speaker 2>I guess it distracted me a little bit from it

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<v Speaker 2>more than anything. Like it didn't change, Like, it doesn't

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<v Speaker 2>make Louisville situation any worse or better that all these

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<v Speaker 2>other teams lost, But it was wild to see all

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<v Speaker 2>those upsets take place. I didn't see any of the

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<v Speaker 2>Michigan and why I actually, actually I did see the

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<v Speaker 2>Michigan Washington game. I didn't see any of Minnesota USC.

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<v Speaker 2>But Minnesota just nearly beat Michigan last week, right, they did.

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<v Speaker 3>And there was a lot of officiating issues going on

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<v Speaker 3>at the end of that Minnesota USC game where they

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<v Speaker 3>were reviewing plays and then overturning calls that probably shouldn't

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<v Speaker 3>have been overturned in the grand scheme of things. So,

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<v Speaker 3>I mean, Minnesota won, but a lot of people are

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<v Speaker 3>thinking there was some you know, some shady stuff going

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<v Speaker 3>on with some officiating there.

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah, Minnesota's lost. I think a lot of close games,

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<v Speaker 2>unless I'm just completely really.

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<v Speaker 3>Close to Michigan really close to North Carolina and that

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<v Speaker 3>can actual I think Iowa blew them out early in

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<v Speaker 3>the season. But other than that though.

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<v Speaker 2>Because PJ. Flex said something after the game, because I

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<v Speaker 2>think they're now just two and.

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<v Speaker 3>Three three team in the country.

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<v Speaker 2>You know, coaches understandably get made fun of when they

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<v Speaker 2>say that, but I kind of feel like he could

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<v Speaker 2>like he he might have, you know, good good reason

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<v Speaker 2>to say that. Now, maybe USC is not as good

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<v Speaker 2>as advertised. And clearly Michigan, although that was a game

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<v Speaker 2>you should have won, you did lose, and I'm not

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<v Speaker 2>sure how good they are.

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<v Speaker 3>They're now on their third quarterback of the year. Yeah,

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<v Speaker 3>it's not I mean not due to injury, dude, because

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<v Speaker 3>they can't figure it out.

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah, and sure, Owan Moore, I don't know if any

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<v Speaker 2>of this is like his doing, but you know, coming

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<v Speaker 2>off of a national championship with a lot of talent

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<v Speaker 2>on that team, I mean, clearly they're gonna miss j

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<v Speaker 2>McCarthy and they're gonna miss Harball. Those are big shoes

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<v Speaker 2>to fill. But he won't get a whole lot of

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<v Speaker 2>time to be like this, you know what I mean.

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<v Speaker 3>I would say if it's if it's mediocre this year

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<v Speaker 3>and it's similar or worse next year, that would be

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<v Speaker 3>it for him.

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah, I wouldn't be shocked because what you have there

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<v Speaker 2>is that well, I guess it depends on how patient

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<v Speaker 2>the athletic director would be. But to be fair, you know,

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<v Speaker 2>you don't have to be patient anymore in college sports,

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<v Speaker 2>Like you just don't because you can go get a coach,

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<v Speaker 2>and if you've got resources, like a Michigan program would

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<v Speaker 2>in football, they don't need four years to to get

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<v Speaker 2>their guys in and develop and coach them up. You

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<v Speaker 2>can go buy a new team. So like, you don't

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<v Speaker 2>need to be patient. So you know, I was gonna say, well,

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<v Speaker 2>they could wait and see, but you don't. Why would

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<v Speaker 2>you do that? That could put you at risk? You

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<v Speaker 2>wait two more years after two you know, you know,

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<v Speaker 2>two mid level years, then you just you know, you.

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<v Speaker 3>Don't see players waiting and seeing exactly jump around to

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<v Speaker 3>whatever the hell they want.

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<v Speaker 2>you know, would lose to a Vandy, but like, let's

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<v Speaker 2>just say they're not in three this year, which is possible.

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<v Speaker 2>You know, you've seen this guy and every other place

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<v Speaker 2>that he's been. You know he can win. All you

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<v Speaker 2>know is that Sharon Moore came in as an assistant

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<v Speaker 2>a proof of concept that he can win. This is

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<v Speaker 2>usually don't work out when it comes to big time

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<v Speaker 2>programs with big expectations, guys who've been in the sport

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<v Speaker 2>but never had that actual job anywhere. All Right, it's

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<v Speaker 2>coffee and company. Feel about Thornton's here on Sports Talk

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<v Speaker 2>seven to ninety. Appreciate you guys hanging out with us.

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<v Speaker 2>keep that rolling along again five o two, five to

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<v Speaker 2>seven to one, seventy nine hundred. A lot of talk

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<v Speaker 2>about the Louis of the defense, and I got into

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<v Speaker 2>this on the postgame show, and we've had a couple

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<v Speaker 2>of people ask this already today that I guess didn't

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<v Speaker 2>listen to the postgame show, and that's okay. It's a

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<v Speaker 2>to want to consume every second of a postgame show

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<v Speaker 2>when Louisville loses. That's just how it works. We do

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<v Speaker 2>the same thing, at least some of us do when

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<v Speaker 2>it comes to Kentucky when they lose. But if you're

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<v Speaker 2>a Louisville fan, like maybe you, if you're not calling

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<v Speaker 2>into it to you know, to vent yourself and utilize

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<v Speaker 2>the platform to express some frustration, share some thoughts, like

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<v Speaker 2>maybe you don't want to listen to it because you're

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<v Speaker 2>thinking it'll just make me more sad. But here's here's

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<v Speaker 2>the Ron English, the quick run English story as far

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<v Speaker 2>as how he got to Louisville and how he's back

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<v Speaker 2>at Louisville working for Jeff Bron, because that is a

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<v Speaker 2>fair question. He was at Louisville in two thousand and

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<v Speaker 2>eight for one season. It was viewed as a big

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<v Speaker 2>time higher by Steve Kragthorpe because Crackthorpe stunk in his

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<v Speaker 2>first year. We all know that, and one of the

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<v Speaker 2>I guess one of the reasons to get fans excited that, Hey,

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<v Speaker 2>the last year was a fluke. We're going to get better.

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<v Speaker 2>As one, Jurch and Cragthorpe blamed Jeff Bron, which is

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<v Speaker 2>rich to think about. But also they brought in Ron English.

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<v Speaker 2>Ron English had just come from Michigan or he'd worked

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<v Speaker 2>for he'd work for I think of his coach car Yeah,

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<v Speaker 2>Lloyd Carr. He was Lloyd Carr's defensive coordinator there for

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<v Speaker 2>three seasons and they were really good. And then he

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<v Speaker 2>got the job at Louisville as a DC. Was only

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<v Speaker 2>here one year. Then he got a head coaching job.

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<v Speaker 2>He was a really really bad head coach. Ron English was.

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<v Speaker 2>He went Oho to twelve to and ten, a surprising

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<v Speaker 2>six and six, and then he went to in ten

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<v Speaker 2>and one and eight before he got fired, so eleven

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<v Speaker 2>and forty six. After that, he did not coach in

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<v Speaker 2>college for three years maybe, And there were some allegations made.

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<v Speaker 2>This is something that I did not remember, and I'm

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<v Speaker 2>glad somebody reminded me of this on Saturday. He was

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<v Speaker 2>abruptly fired in November of twenty thirteen, less than twenty

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<v Speaker 2>four hours before they played Western Michigan. Now, I think

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<v Speaker 2>when you have that kind of record and you get

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<v Speaker 2>abruptly fired, it might just be chalked up as, Yeah,

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<v Speaker 2>it's time to pull the plug. This thing ain't working. However,

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<v Speaker 2>he ended up being featured in a Detroit News article that,

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<v Speaker 2>you know, I don't know if it was just I

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<v Speaker 2>think it was like a long form investigative piece that

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<v Speaker 2>they did about some allegations made of him, the way

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<v Speaker 2>he was talking to his players, you know, using expletives

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<v Speaker 2>and whatnot. One of them I think was I mean,

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<v Speaker 2>from the article he used apparently a homophobic slur, and

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<v Speaker 2>the athletic director at that time confirmed that what was

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<v Speaker 2>alleged was true and she made the move to fire him.

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<v Speaker 2>So when he did not coach anymore after that, it

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<v Speaker 2>might have been because nobody wanted to touch him because

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<v Speaker 2>of those allegations. I don't know, but anyways, he got

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<v Speaker 2>let go in twenty thirteen. He resurfaced in twenty sixteen

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<v Speaker 2>as the San Jose State defensive coordinator one year Mississippi

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<v Speaker 2>State as the safety's coach for one year was the

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<v Speaker 2>Florida Safeties coach for three years and then after that

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<v Speaker 2>he landed at Purdue as the co DC and defensive

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<v Speaker 2>backs coach. And I don't really know how it played

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<v Speaker 2>out at Purdue, but at some point he ended up

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<v Speaker 2>being the actual DC or maybe he was still co DC,

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<v Speaker 2>but either way, at the time Jeff was being pursued

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<v Speaker 2>by Louisville. The second time around, Purdue actually had a

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<v Speaker 2>pretty good defense and he was a guy that was,

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<v Speaker 2>you know, in charge of that. So I think it

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<v Speaker 2>made sense for Jeff to bring him along and kind of,

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<v Speaker 2>you know, bring what's working with you at Purdue and

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<v Speaker 2>try to make you work here. And to be fair,

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<v Speaker 2>Ron English last year had a good defense until you know,

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<v Speaker 2>he didn't. I mean, it's kind of wild. Last year

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<v Speaker 2>in the first half, Jeff was so matter of fact

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<v Speaker 2>about in the opener against Georgia Tech. You guys remember

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<v Speaker 2>at halftime when he was like, and that's one of

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<v Speaker 2>the things I really appreciate about Jeff. And we'll let

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<v Speaker 2>you hear his comments after the game on Saturday that

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<v Speaker 2>kind of, you know, are consistent with this to where

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<v Speaker 2>he'll just claim, like I don't know what he's not

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<v Speaker 2>going to mention his coach by name. He's not going

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<v Speaker 2>to say, hey, I'm gonna have I'm gonna have to

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<v Speaker 2>give these coaches a talking to, but like you can

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<v Speaker 2>tell what he's saying. And they made adjustments after that.

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<v Speaker 2>They simplified it against Georgia Tech, and they came out

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<v Speaker 2>and the defense was really good from like then until

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<v Speaker 2>you know, the end of the year, and then it

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<v Speaker 2>kind of fell apart. Nothing like what we're seeing now.

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<v Speaker 2>I mean this right now, they're as disorganized and just

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<v Speaker 2>as sloppy defensively as I've seen since that nightmare twenty

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<v Speaker 2>eighteen year that was coached by who was it, Brian

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<v Speaker 2>Van Gord, Like that's we're not that bad defensively, but

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<v Speaker 2>we make the same kind of mistakes at times that

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<v Speaker 2>that defense makes, which is just head scratching. So, you know,

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<v Speaker 2>Ron English is not a guy that you know, has

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<v Speaker 2>had like he has not been viewed in the college

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<v Speaker 2>football world objectively as a very successful defensive coordinator really

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<v Speaker 2>since his days at Michigan, which was you know, pre Crackthorpe.

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<v Speaker 2>So from then on he just kind of is latched

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<v Speaker 2>on and again Jeff brought in with him, and last year,

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<v Speaker 2>you know, it worked until towards the end of the

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<v Speaker 2>year and this year obviously, I think there was a

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<v Speaker 2>lot of expectation with this defense because of the talent,

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<v Speaker 2>and they're not delivering in any way. So as far

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<v Speaker 2>as you know, I don't know what you'd accomplished by

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<v Speaker 2>canning him, like firing him, and I think they would

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<v Speaker 2>have done that would have already been done at least,

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<v Speaker 2>meaning you know now this week before you play Virginia.

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<v Speaker 2>But I think when it comes to simplifying things, like

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<v Speaker 2>maybe that's just Jeff kind of being the one that

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<v Speaker 2>does the game plan, that does the strategy, because he's

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<v Speaker 2>clearly not happy with what they've done in the last

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<v Speaker 2>two games and maybe even three games if you consider

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<v Speaker 2>the Georgia Tech game where Haines King had himself a

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<v Speaker 2>hell of a day, you know, So wouldn't shock me

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<v Speaker 2>if maybe Jeff has a little bit more of a

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<v Speaker 2>direct role in simplifying things defensively. Look, if you're an

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<v Speaker 2>offensive coach and you call plays, you know what that means.

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<v Speaker 2>You know defense pretty well. So it's not crazy to

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<v Speaker 2>think that a guy who is known as an offensive

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<v Speaker 2>coach that can call plays. And despite some of our

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<v Speaker 2>frustration with these fourth down calls and really just to

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<v Speaker 2>play calling at times has been vanilla for Jeff. Despite

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<v Speaker 2>all that, I think we know the guy's capable of

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<v Speaker 2>being an elite play caller, and again, if you can

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<v Speaker 2>do that, I think you know a little something about

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<v Speaker 2>defense as well. Real quick, before we get back to

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<v Speaker 2>the phone lines, I promise we're going to get to

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<v Speaker 2>you guys in just a second, But I do want

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<v Speaker 2>to let you hear this clip because I mean, and

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<v Speaker 2>this is a little longer than what we typically would

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<v Speaker 2>play for a sound clip on the show, but I

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<v Speaker 2>think every second of it is worth hearing. This is Jeff,

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<v Speaker 2>and you can't see it, obviously, this is an audio medium,

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<v Speaker 2>but you can listen to what he says and understand

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<v Speaker 2>the urgency and understand the frustration. But like even his

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<v Speaker 2>facial expressions, I think it's almost like he's speaking calmly,

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<v Speaker 2>but he's almost about to explode because he's just so

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<v Speaker 2>disappointed with one their strategy meeting defensively and the lack

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<v Speaker 2>of execution and just you know, the overall mess of

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<v Speaker 2>the defense has been at times this year.

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<v Speaker 3>Pressure package to kind of get Jenning's uncomfortable in the backfield.

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<v Speaker 5>Yeah, I was talked about all week and it wasn't

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<v Speaker 5>carried out. So we've got to, you know, call a

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<v Speaker 5>better game and make sure that we're way more aggressive

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<v Speaker 5>and that we have a consistent plan that doesn't have

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<v Speaker 5>adjustments when they do something different, and that starts with us.

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<v Speaker 2>So there's more to that that I'm gonna let you play.

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<v Speaker 2>But like when he says we that starts with us,

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<v Speaker 2>he's talking about ron English and his defensive staff. I mean,

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<v Speaker 2>maybe he's just talking about ron English, maybe he's talking

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<v Speaker 2>about the whole stat but you know, like that's what

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<v Speaker 2>he's talking about. And you can tell that's why they're

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<v Speaker 2>looking around like they're not quite sure. Because anytime SMU

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<v Speaker 2>or even Notre Dame or Georgia Tech, I guess, is

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<v Speaker 2>throwing something different at you. These guys defensively are having

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<v Speaker 2>to make adjustments on the fly, like they're not being

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<v Speaker 2>like it's just it's it's from top to bottom. It's

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<v Speaker 2>a mess. Let me see if I can pull up

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<v Speaker 2>where we were.

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<v Speaker 5>Well, quite frankly, we need to coach better. I don't

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<v Speaker 5>think the the plan had too many adjustments for different

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<v Speaker 5>formations and emp sets and some things like that, And

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<v Speaker 5>I don't want get in too much detail, but it

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<v Speaker 5>needs to be simpler. It needs to be sound and

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<v Speaker 5>then carried out. But we can't blaming all our players

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<v Speaker 5>that the plan needs to be better. That falls on

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<v Speaker 5>us and me. So we've got to go to work

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<v Speaker 5>and make sure that you know, that part doesn't happen again,

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<v Speaker 5>because we have not gotten off to good starts and

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<v Speaker 5>it has been costly.

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<v Speaker 2>So for anybody who is a little sensitive and that's okay,

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<v Speaker 2>Like you're you know, it's still kind of new to

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<v Speaker 2>you and you don't like when people call out Jeff

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<v Speaker 2>Brohm for a bad decision or claim that Louisville struggles.

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<v Speaker 2>Some of them are on the coaching staff. I mean

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<v Speaker 2>it's a collective thing here. It's not just one coach

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<v Speaker 2>or one thing. It's I mean a variety of things

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<v Speaker 2>that have left us in this position. But like just

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<v Speaker 2>not just saying that because he's he thinks it's what

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<v Speaker 2>he's supposed to say as a coach. I think he

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<v Speaker 2>believes it, like he knows that as a staff they've

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<v Speaker 2>not done a good enough job. Now maybe he thinks

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<v Speaker 2>there's you know, a couple of coaches or one coach

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<v Speaker 2>that's really let them down, but you know, I think

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<v Speaker 2>he even would tell you that he could go back,

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<v Speaker 2>and you know, you should be able to just line

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<v Speaker 2>up and run the ball and get one yard. So

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<v Speaker 2>when that happens and you can't, like I feel like

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<v Speaker 2>the players need to like sack up if you will.

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<v Speaker 2>But then again, if you've done it that many times

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<v Speaker 2>as a coach and these guys have proven to you

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<v Speaker 2>that they're not capable of doing it, that you need

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<v Speaker 2>to stop doing it. And he did confirm on Saturday

427
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<v Speaker 2>that they know they can't do that now and they want.

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<v Speaker 2>I'm sure we might see a scenario where they go

429
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<v Speaker 2>for it in that situation again. But I mean if

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<v Speaker 2>they line up for a fourth and one and we

431
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<v Speaker 2>see Donald Cheney out there instead of Isaac Brown, people

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<v Speaker 2>may their heads make explode. All right, real quick before

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<v Speaker 2>we get your break, Allison has been waiting patiently. Allison,

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<v Speaker 2>welcome in here. Sports Talk seven ninety. How you doing today?

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<v Speaker 4>I'm good, Nick, How are you?

436
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<v Speaker 2>All things considered? I'm I'm doing okay.

437
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<v Speaker 3>Yeah, talking through it helps.

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<v Speaker 4>Yeah, I think after the post, after the game, I

439
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<v Speaker 4>just had to kind of just take some time for myself.

440
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<v Speaker 4>But so two things, Nick is I'm not a big

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<v Speaker 4>fan of the co defensive titles, and I just kind

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<v Speaker 4>of if you have any insight, is Ron English, we

443
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<v Speaker 4>would assume he's actually calling the place. Yes, So what

444
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<v Speaker 4>is Mark Hagan's actual row besides coaching the secondary which

445
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<v Speaker 4>is got awful. And another thing is is I know

446
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<v Speaker 4>this is going to be a hot take and and

447
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<v Speaker 4>and people might think I'm crazy, but if you continue

448
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<v Speaker 4>to see these results, I think you hand the book

449
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<v Speaker 4>over to Mark Abby and you let him try. I mean,

450
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<v Speaker 4>we saw when he coached in term DC last year

451
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<v Speaker 4>or two years ago. You know how much pass rush

452
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<v Speaker 4>he brought. He knows that those guys, So I just

453
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<v Speaker 4>don't think that would be you know, worth, it would

454
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<v Speaker 4>be worth a shot. And you know, I remember back

455
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<v Speaker 4>in August, wd RB did a story on it. Is

456
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<v Speaker 4>Ron English said, blame Ron English. Well, I think we

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<v Speaker 4>are we want some truth and we want to know

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<v Speaker 4>what's going on. You're you're using Ashton in the wrong way.

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<v Speaker 4>Everybody on the knows you're using Ashton wrong, you know,

460
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<v Speaker 4>And I just that really just upsets me. And I

461
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<v Speaker 4>think the other thing would be for me, Nick is

462
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<v Speaker 4>the line of games, the first downs that aren't getting

463
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<v Speaker 4>called and we're not reviewing. That makes me wonder who's upstairs,

464
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<v Speaker 4>who's looking at these things from our side that's not

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<v Speaker 4>telling Jeff, Hey Jeff, you need to review that we

466
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<v Speaker 4>got a first down? Or hey Jeff, they didn't get

467
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<v Speaker 4>a first down. You know, can we review that, because

468
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<v Speaker 4>there's been several times those that have been missed and

469
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<v Speaker 4>we haven't even tried to challenge it. So those are

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<v Speaker 4>just my two takes that that I see that are

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<v Speaker 4>a little alarming, And I'll hang up and listen to thank.

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<v Speaker 2>You appreciate it, Alison. Yeah, we're up against it. Let's

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<v Speaker 2>get to a quick break, and I'll react to to

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<v Speaker 2>some of the things that she said there. Because as

475
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<v Speaker 2>far as who would lead the defense, like who would

476
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<v Speaker 2>call the defense, I really don't know because I'm not

477
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<v Speaker 2>sure who has experience on this staff and doing that.

478
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<v Speaker 2>Maybe Mark Hagen, I think he'd probably be the first

479
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<v Speaker 2>in line, but obviously coach Ivy is a guy that

480
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<v Speaker 2>you know, has proven to be a very valuable asset

481
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<v Speaker 2>to the defense. But I just don't know if that's

482
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<v Speaker 2>something in his bag, if that's something he's done before.

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<v Speaker 2>A quick break will come back, keep it rolling along.

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<v Speaker 2>It's Coffee and Company. We are feel about Thorntons right

485
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<v Speaker 2>here on Sports Talk seven ninety so Allison who called

486
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<v Speaker 2>in just a moment ago. She referenced an article in WDRB.

487
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<v Speaker 2>This was Rick Bosch who published this in August that

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<v Speaker 2>ron Al Rodger read the headline Ron English says blame

489
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<v Speaker 2>Ron English for Louisville's defensive breakdown last season. The quote,

490
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<v Speaker 2>I didn't coach as well as I needed to. I

491
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<v Speaker 2>didn't put the players in the positions they needed to

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<v Speaker 2>be in. And that was the facts. Another part of

493
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<v Speaker 2>his quote here in this piece from Rick Bosch, without depth,

494
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<v Speaker 2>that shows up at the end of the seasons, right,

495
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<v Speaker 2>it kind of showed up. It kind of showed up.

496
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<v Speaker 2>He said that twice in the middle of our defense

497
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<v Speaker 2>last year with the linebackers and the safeties. But I

498
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<v Speaker 2>felt that coaching was a part of it. I would

499
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<v Speaker 2>say this, I don't think we coached our best games

500
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<v Speaker 2>against Kentucky and Southern Cal. I think we played well

501
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<v Speaker 2>for a half and then I think we kind of

502
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<v Speaker 2>got razzled against Kentucky. And then he mentions the kickoff

503
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<v Speaker 2>return that hurt him a little bit. But last part

504
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<v Speaker 2>here it says, so I think we can coach better,

505
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<v Speaker 2>to be honest, and that really stood out to me

506
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<v Speaker 2>because I don't think you oftentimes you know, he didn't

507
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<v Speaker 2>have to say that. I mean, he could have just

508
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<v Speaker 2>given us, you know, we're working harder to fix it,

509
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<v Speaker 2>but like he really wanted to very much directly say

510
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<v Speaker 2>blame him, And it was more so the coaches not

511
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<v Speaker 2>putting the players in the position to succeed. And you

512
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<v Speaker 2>know what that tells me, One, that's you know, that's

513
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<v Speaker 2>be careful what you asked for, Ron, because we are

514
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<v Speaker 2>blaming you now especially, but also you know, it tells

515
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<v Speaker 2>me that there were conversations that took place last year

516
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<v Speaker 2>following the season among the coaches Jeff Bromp to his staff.

517
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<v Speaker 2>Ron English clearly one of them about that. Like I

518
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<v Speaker 2>think collectively everybody agrees that that was a factor and

519
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<v Speaker 2>that the coaching was and it was one of the

520
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<v Speaker 2>issues and maybe the biggest issue with why the defense

521
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<v Speaker 2>fell off a little bit last year. So that would

522
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<v Speaker 2>tell me that coming into this year there'd be a

523
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<v Speaker 2>big emphasis song getting that fixed. And unfortunately for Ron English,

524
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<v Speaker 2>they've come out and it's been worse. And I know

525
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<v Speaker 2>we live in a world now where it's so much

526
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<v Speaker 2>extreme one side or so much extreme the other, and

527
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<v Speaker 2>you rarely the acknowledge the middle ground, which is really

528
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<v Speaker 2>where the majority of the facts are, and usually that's

529
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<v Speaker 2>where the majority of the people feel. They're not as

530
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<v Speaker 2>strongly this way or that way. They just you know,

531
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<v Speaker 2>they're in the middle. So what I'm getting at is like,

532
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<v Speaker 2>I'm not telling you Louis defensively has the talent and

533
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<v Speaker 2>in personnel or where they should have held that SMU

534
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<v Speaker 2>offense to ten points. No, SMU's actually got some pretty

535
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<v Speaker 2>good players, and I think their offense is legit, But

536
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<v Speaker 2>when you're seeing the disorganization and the confusion, like that's coaching.

537
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<v Speaker 2>And you heard Jeff talk about it and he said

538
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<v Speaker 2>he didn't want to get into the you know, too

539
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<v Speaker 2>much detail, but yeah, it's just overly complicated. It needs

540
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<v Speaker 2>to be simple. It needs to be more simple. They

541
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<v Speaker 2>need to be more aggressive and they're not. And you know,

542
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<v Speaker 2>if you'd ask me on Saturday, gun to my head,

543
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<v Speaker 2>do I think ron English is like let go? I

544
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<v Speaker 2>would have said no, just because I don't know necessarily

545
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<v Speaker 2>what that accomplishes, and I don't really think you've had

546
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<v Speaker 2>results that have been that egregious to where you're truly gonna,

547
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<v Speaker 2>you know, give them the boot. Now, if they did

548
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<v Speaker 2>make it change, I can't say that I'd be totally shocked,

549
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<v Speaker 2>but like I would imagine, without it being any kind

550
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<v Speaker 2>of public thing, I would I would imagine that that

551
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<v Speaker 2>Ron English will not be solely in charge of some

552
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<v Speaker 2>things that he was previously solely in charge of on defense.

553
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<v Speaker 2>Just just a guess. I mean, maybe I'm wrong, but

554
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<v Speaker 2>if you're Bram and you clearly know and you've told

555
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<v Speaker 2>us he hasn't thrown anybody under the bus directly, but

556
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<v Speaker 2>we all know what he's talking about and who he's

557
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<v Speaker 2>talking about, and for there not to be somebody like

558
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<v Speaker 2>Brom step in to kind of, you know, take those

559
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<v Speaker 2>responsibilities away from somebody who's hurting you. That's on you

560
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<v Speaker 2>at that point. So I think, I think, you know,

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<v Speaker 2>I don't know what the results are going to be,

562
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<v Speaker 2>but I would I would be shocked if there's not,

563
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<v Speaker 2>you know, some mixing around as far as who's doing

564
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<v Speaker 2>what on that staff. And it's needed, it's needed. So

565
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<v Speaker 2>the other question or the other comment that Allison made

566
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<v Speaker 2>as far as using I mean, I wouldn't be able

567
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<v Speaker 2>to tell you how you could effectively utilize Ashton and

568
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<v Speaker 2>make him more. I mean, whatever they're doing is not working,

569
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<v Speaker 2>and know that. But look, he's had games where he's

570
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<v Speaker 2>been double teamed. He's had games where he's clearly gonna

571
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<v Speaker 2>be the focal point of the opposing team when it

572
00:27:14.039 --> 00:27:16.599
<v Speaker 2>comes to like BEFO, we're going to be successful offensively,

573
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<v Speaker 2>we got to make sure we double team this guy,

574
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<v Speaker 2>neutralize the threat that he brings because he's an animal.

575
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<v Speaker 2>And I mean that in a very complimentary way. Asking

576
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<v Speaker 2>July he is to hell of a player, hadn't shown

577
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<v Speaker 2>up this year, and clearly he's got to take some

578
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<v Speaker 2>accountability for that. But I would say what they're doing

579
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<v Speaker 2>to try to get him active is if they're doing anything,

580
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<v Speaker 2>it's not working, all right. It is Coffee and Company.

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<v Speaker 2>We are feel about Thornton's here on Sports Talk seven

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<v Speaker 2>to ninety. Appreciate you hanging out with us here on

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<v Speaker 2>a Monday afternoon. Also appreciate our friends over there at

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<v Speaker 2>Jefferson Animal Hospital. Don't forget about their blood bank event

585
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<v Speaker 2>that's coming up here a little bit later this month.

586
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<v Speaker 2>It is the Pints for Paus and People. October nineteenth,

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<v Speaker 2>ten am to two pm at Jefferson Animal Hospital on loop.

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<v Speaker 2>They'll educate you on how pet blood donation works. It's

589
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<v Speaker 2>probably something a lot of folks didn't even realize was

590
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<v Speaker 2>the thing, but it is. Your pet, your dog or

591
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<v Speaker 2>cat could donate blood. They could qualify. If your dog

592
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<v Speaker 2>is over fifty pounds and your cat is over ten pounds,

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<v Speaker 2>they may qualify. So not only should you do that

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<v Speaker 2>to help save lives, but I mean you can go

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<v Speaker 2>out and give blood yourself to at the event, right

596
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<v Speaker 2>like you and your pet given blood, you give given blood,

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<v Speaker 2>you given blood to. The American Red Cross is going

598
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<v Speaker 2>to be there at the event. Obviously your pet's going

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<v Speaker 2>to be giving blood at JEFFERSONNIM Hospital and you're helping

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<v Speaker 2>save lives. So again, it's from ten to two pm

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<v Speaker 2>ten am to two pm on October nineteenth at the

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<v Speaker 2>Jefferson Animal Hospital. You can get more info at Pet

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<v Speaker 2>Bloodbank dot com or give them a call five two

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<v Speaker 2>nine one hundred. Pets, All people welcome, All pets welcome,

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<v Speaker 2>should be should be a great time, all right, So

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<v Speaker 2>we'll get to this in the five o'clock hour. We

607
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<v Speaker 2>don't have I got to keep this thing on track

608
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<v Speaker 2>as best at CANA had a very long segment there

609
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<v Speaker 2>in the first which is nobody's fault of mine. I'm

610
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<v Speaker 2>just giving your heads up that clock management not great

611
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<v Speaker 2>for me here in the four o'clock hour. But we'll

612
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<v Speaker 2>talk some hoops. I will lie to you and say

613
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<v Speaker 2>that I feel any differently about this team after watching

614
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<v Speaker 2>Louisville live, just because that's not what that event is meaning.

615
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<v Speaker 2>It's not an event where you really get a chance

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<v Speaker 2>to kind of see much of anything as far as

617
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<v Speaker 2>like competitiveness. I mean, I wish there were more than

618
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<v Speaker 2>just three guys in the in the three point shootout

619
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<v Speaker 2>dunk contest was you know, it was interesting. But there's

620
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<v Speaker 2>an ACC preview that came out from Sports Illustrated, our man,

621
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<v Speaker 2>mister Kevin Sweeney, who covers college hoops for Sports Illustrated.

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<v Speaker 2>We'll start bringing him in as we get closer to

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<v Speaker 2>the season, but he had his preseason ACC right up,

624
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<v Speaker 2>and he's very high on Louisville, more so than maybe

625
00:29:43.480 --> 00:29:46.160
<v Speaker 2>anybody I've seen, which has me excited. So we'll talk

626
00:29:46.200 --> 00:29:47.839
<v Speaker 2>some hoops. Don't forget. Later this week, I'll be in

627
00:29:47.960 --> 00:29:51.960
<v Speaker 2>Charlotte for the ACC Basketball Media Days. They're calling at

628
00:29:52.000 --> 00:29:59.640
<v Speaker 2>acc tip off. They call it Operation Basketball, and I

629
00:29:59.640 --> 00:30:01.359
<v Speaker 2>don't know they call the football Media Days, Like why

630
00:30:01.359 --> 00:30:02.920
<v Speaker 2>can't they just call it media days?

631
00:30:03.240 --> 00:30:03.440
<v Speaker 1>You know?

632
00:30:03.519 --> 00:30:05.839
<v Speaker 3>That reminds me of whenever the Big Ten used to

633
00:30:05.839 --> 00:30:07.559
<v Speaker 3>do and it's not media Days related, they used to

634
00:30:07.599 --> 00:30:09.720
<v Speaker 3>have their divisions called the Leaders in the legends. There

635
00:30:09.759 --> 00:30:10.640
<v Speaker 3>was no point to do that.

636
00:30:10.839 --> 00:30:13.400
<v Speaker 2>Yeah, that was kind of pointless.

637
00:30:12.920 --> 00:30:13.920
<v Speaker 3>Right, very corny.

638
00:30:13.960 --> 00:30:16.640
<v Speaker 2>Are there any divisions left in the power conferences?

639
00:30:17.200 --> 00:30:18.400
<v Speaker 3>It's a good question. I don't know.

640
00:30:18.599 --> 00:30:20.160
<v Speaker 2>I think there is. I don't think there needs to be,

641
00:30:21.039 --> 00:30:23.839
<v Speaker 2>especially when you consider, like you've got the Big Ten

642
00:30:23.960 --> 00:30:28.039
<v Speaker 2>with what three schools, four schools that are completely on

643
00:30:28.079 --> 00:30:30.079
<v Speaker 2>the other side of the country, like you'd have four

644
00:30:30.119 --> 00:30:31.400
<v Speaker 2>in the West and then everybody else.

645
00:30:31.599 --> 00:30:33.319
<v Speaker 3>I don't know. I guess you could do pods like

646
00:30:33.359 --> 00:30:35.920
<v Speaker 3>the SEC. That's what they're doing, right, Yeah, I don't think.

647
00:30:35.960 --> 00:30:37.960
<v Speaker 2>I don't think they're gonna call them anything. I don't

648
00:30:37.960 --> 00:30:39.880
<v Speaker 2>think they're gonna have like, they're not gonna call them pods.

649
00:30:39.880 --> 00:30:42.559
<v Speaker 2>But yes, like there'll be teams that like it's like scheduling, Yeah,

650
00:30:42.599 --> 00:30:45.799
<v Speaker 2>scheduling partners essentially where you know each year you're playing

651
00:30:45.960 --> 00:30:47.599
<v Speaker 2>like you're not in a division. But every year you're

652
00:30:47.599 --> 00:30:49.079
<v Speaker 2>gonna get like this team and that team, and then

653
00:30:49.119 --> 00:30:52.480
<v Speaker 2>it kind of it mixes up every you know, as

654
00:30:52.480 --> 00:30:54.519
<v Speaker 2>far as the other games on your schedule. All right,

655
00:30:54.519 --> 00:30:55.720
<v Speaker 2>a couple of things to get to before we get

656
00:30:55.759 --> 00:30:57.160
<v Speaker 2>to our next break. You heard it there if you

657
00:30:57.160 --> 00:31:00.319
<v Speaker 2>were listening in the sports update from from my Heart.

658
00:31:00.680 --> 00:31:03.720
<v Speaker 2>The fines that came down, Vandy fined one hundred thousand

659
00:31:03.759 --> 00:31:06.960
<v Speaker 2>dollars for storming the field. Arkansas find two hundred and

660
00:31:07.000 --> 00:31:12.000
<v Speaker 2>fifty thousand because they were a repeat offender. And I mean,

661
00:31:13.799 --> 00:31:16.799
<v Speaker 2>I can't tell if this is a silly thing to

662
00:31:16.839 --> 00:31:19.160
<v Speaker 2>find these schools for or not. I've gone back and

663
00:31:19.200 --> 00:31:23.079
<v Speaker 2>forth because like you never like you never want to

664
00:31:23.160 --> 00:31:26.240
<v Speaker 2>risk it, and it is, I guess dangerous. There was

665
00:31:26.279 --> 00:31:31.000
<v Speaker 2>a Tennessee player who shoved an Arkansas student down, and

666
00:31:31.039 --> 00:31:32.319
<v Speaker 2>I kind of feel like that's fair game if you

667
00:31:32.440 --> 00:31:34.240
<v Speaker 2>run out there. But then again, you could end up

668
00:31:34.240 --> 00:31:36.359
<v Speaker 2>in a lawsuit, so like you got to do something.

669
00:31:36.440 --> 00:31:40.759
<v Speaker 2>But you also clearly like Vandy did not. Vandy did

670
00:31:40.799 --> 00:31:42.880
<v Speaker 2>not care at all in the moment about anybody rushing

671
00:31:42.880 --> 00:31:44.400
<v Speaker 2>that field, you know what I mean. And one hundred

672
00:31:44.400 --> 00:31:47.440
<v Speaker 2>thousand dollars to them is probably very minimal, to be

673
00:31:47.519 --> 00:31:51.119
<v Speaker 2>honest with you, So you know, I guess you have

674
00:31:51.160 --> 00:31:53.799
<v Speaker 2>it in place to you know, to protect yourself as

675
00:31:53.839 --> 00:31:55.920
<v Speaker 2>a conference to where you at least let these schools know, hey,

676
00:31:55.920 --> 00:31:58.240
<v Speaker 2>if something bad happens, we have a rule, and we

677
00:31:58.279 --> 00:32:00.480
<v Speaker 2>punish you if you don't follow said rule. It's really

678
00:32:00.519 --> 00:32:04.640
<v Speaker 2>just you know, covering your rear end. But it would

679
00:32:04.680 --> 00:32:09.559
<v Speaker 2>have been such a buzzkill if Fandy didn't storm the field,

680
00:32:09.559 --> 00:32:12.079
<v Speaker 2>you know what I mean, Like if they just walked

681
00:32:12.119 --> 00:32:15.200
<v Speaker 2>off the field and went to the locker rooms and

682
00:32:15.240 --> 00:32:17.559
<v Speaker 2>did the emotional postgame interview on TV like we saw.

683
00:32:17.640 --> 00:32:20.720
<v Speaker 2>But there weren't like a good field storm and when

684
00:32:20.759 --> 00:32:24.119
<v Speaker 2>it is absolutely justified as awesome, and I don't think

685
00:32:24.119 --> 00:32:27.680
<v Speaker 2>you'll find a bigger opportunity where it was justified than

686
00:32:27.680 --> 00:32:31.160
<v Speaker 2>what we saw on Saturday, Arkansas. I don't know if

687
00:32:31.200 --> 00:32:33.079
<v Speaker 2>they did it last year, maybe they did it the year.

688
00:32:33.119 --> 00:32:34.240
<v Speaker 2>I don't know how, you know, I don't know if

689
00:32:34.279 --> 00:32:36.240
<v Speaker 2>you get like an every five years at resets as

690
00:32:36.240 --> 00:32:40.240
<v Speaker 2>far as being a repeat offender. But yeah, if I

691
00:32:40.359 --> 00:32:42.160
<v Speaker 2>was a Vandy fan, I would have been out there

692
00:32:42.640 --> 00:32:46.039
<v Speaker 2>losing my mind. I would have woke up Sunday thinking, yeah,

693
00:32:46.119 --> 00:32:47.200
<v Speaker 2>that didn't really happen, did it.

694
00:32:48.160 --> 00:32:50.920
<v Speaker 3>I can't imagine being one of the Alabama fans that traveled,

695
00:32:50.920 --> 00:32:53.279
<v Speaker 3>They're like, wow, this just happened to us. We outnumbered

696
00:32:53.279 --> 00:32:55.359
<v Speaker 3>these dudes, and they're storming the field on us.

697
00:32:55.400 --> 00:32:57.920
<v Speaker 2>Yeah, and look, there were a lot of upsets. It

698
00:32:57.960 --> 00:33:01.920
<v Speaker 2>was a crazy day in college football. Had five top

699
00:33:02.000 --> 00:33:05.000
<v Speaker 2>eleven teams lose, four of them to unranked teams. And

700
00:33:05.039 --> 00:33:09.400
<v Speaker 2>let's not forget Miami probably should have lost. So it

701
00:33:09.480 --> 00:33:14.079
<v Speaker 2>was a crazy day. But somebody asked this question on

702
00:33:14.119 --> 00:33:15.400
<v Speaker 2>the text line, I'm gonna tell you no, I mean,

703
00:33:15.400 --> 00:33:17.119
<v Speaker 2>I guess it all. It's all. It's all relative to

704
00:33:17.160 --> 00:33:20.960
<v Speaker 2>how you see it individually. But all those other upsets

705
00:33:21.000 --> 00:33:24.279
<v Speaker 2>happening don't take it. Doesn't It doesn't actually take any

706
00:33:24.640 --> 00:33:27.599
<v Speaker 2>of the shock value away from Vandy Alabama, because that's

707
00:33:27.680 --> 00:33:30.160
<v Speaker 2>just like you. I mean, if I had to guess

708
00:33:30.200 --> 00:33:32.240
<v Speaker 2>if we'll ever see that again in my lifetime, I

709
00:33:32.240 --> 00:33:34.039
<v Speaker 2>would I would If I had to guess one way

710
00:33:34.079 --> 00:33:36.559
<v Speaker 2>or the other, I would say no, because one now

711
00:33:36.559 --> 00:33:39.039
<v Speaker 2>you know you can lose to them, and like they

712
00:33:39.079 --> 00:33:41.720
<v Speaker 2>played ten more times, I bet Bama wins and covers

713
00:33:41.720 --> 00:33:44.839
<v Speaker 2>a big spread because they're just better Vandy got off

714
00:33:44.839 --> 00:33:47.039
<v Speaker 2>to a good start, and that's what you can't do.

715
00:33:47.200 --> 00:33:49.039
<v Speaker 2>And I'm not saying that like Vandy just got lucky.

716
00:33:48.920 --> 00:33:51.720
<v Speaker 2>They clearly aren't as good as Bama, but they were

717
00:33:52.000 --> 00:33:54.799
<v Speaker 2>in that moment, and that's all the matter, right, that's

718
00:33:54.799 --> 00:33:58.400
<v Speaker 2>all the matters. But they took advantage of some mistakes

719
00:33:58.400 --> 00:34:00.599
<v Speaker 2>that Bama made early. They got up. And when you

720
00:34:00.680 --> 00:34:03.640
<v Speaker 2>let a team like that hang around. This goes for

721
00:34:03.680 --> 00:34:07.359
<v Speaker 2>basketball and football. If you let an underdog hang around

722
00:34:07.400 --> 00:34:12.559
<v Speaker 2>long enough, they forget that they're who they are. Sometimes

723
00:34:12.599 --> 00:34:14.960
<v Speaker 2>they get real tight and it just you know, the

724
00:34:15.000 --> 00:34:17.119
<v Speaker 2>moment's too big for him. But to be fair, Vandy

725
00:34:17.119 --> 00:34:18.960
<v Speaker 2>didn't do. That's where I'm giving Vandy a lot of credit.

726
00:34:19.000 --> 00:34:20.599
<v Speaker 2>But that's how upsets like that happen. Like in the

727
00:34:20.679 --> 00:34:22.400
<v Speaker 2>en sibl A tournament, you see it, like if you let,

728
00:34:22.639 --> 00:34:25.519
<v Speaker 2>like you let a team get to a point where

729
00:34:25.559 --> 00:34:28.119
<v Speaker 2>they've outplayed you and they feel like they can win,

730
00:34:28.840 --> 00:34:31.519
<v Speaker 2>they're either going to you know, I guess there's a

731
00:34:31.519 --> 00:34:33.639
<v Speaker 2>lot of different ways that those scenarios could play out.

732
00:34:34.000 --> 00:34:36.000
<v Speaker 2>Either they stick with it, they keep the momentum going,

733
00:34:36.039 --> 00:34:39.280
<v Speaker 2>they keep making plays, and that's what Vandy did. Or

734
00:34:39.360 --> 00:34:43.239
<v Speaker 2>you know, maybe you just you know, the team that's

735
00:34:43.280 --> 00:34:45.320
<v Speaker 2>way better than you, that you're leading, they just woke

736
00:34:45.400 --> 00:34:47.480
<v Speaker 2>up a little earlier than you would have wanted, and

737
00:34:47.519 --> 00:34:49.760
<v Speaker 2>they had enough time to climb back in and get you.

738
00:34:50.760 --> 00:34:53.519
<v Speaker 2>Or you get completely tight and you really like you

739
00:34:53.559 --> 00:34:55.840
<v Speaker 2>just start imploding because you know what you're about to

740
00:34:55.880 --> 00:34:58.039
<v Speaker 2>do is so improbable that they used to happen a

741
00:34:58.079 --> 00:35:01.360
<v Speaker 2>lot when teams would go to rup and play, because

742
00:35:01.360 --> 00:35:03.119
<v Speaker 2>there'd be a lot of teams in the cal Era

743
00:35:03.639 --> 00:35:08.639
<v Speaker 2>that'd be out playing Kentucky and be leading for you know,

744
00:35:09.559 --> 00:35:11.800
<v Speaker 2>eighty five percent of the game and then all of

745
00:35:11.840 --> 00:35:15.000
<v Speaker 2>a sudden, like it just it, it gets away from them.

746
00:35:15.480 --> 00:35:19.159
<v Speaker 2>And sometimes that's not necessarily just like you got nervous

747
00:35:19.159 --> 00:35:20.760
<v Speaker 2>and you screwed up, it could just be, you know,

748
00:35:21.280 --> 00:35:25.159
<v Speaker 2>the other team finally woke up. But at no point

749
00:35:25.400 --> 00:35:27.880
<v Speaker 2>until one of those last first downs. It might have

750
00:35:27.960 --> 00:35:31.559
<v Speaker 2>been I think it might have been the play it

751
00:35:31.639 --> 00:35:33.719
<v Speaker 2>was the second to last first down before they were

752
00:35:33.719 --> 00:35:38.039
<v Speaker 2>in position, like which I guess two plays before you realized, okay, no,

753
00:35:38.119 --> 00:35:40.159
<v Speaker 2>they've got it. Like once it was over, you realized

754
00:35:40.199 --> 00:35:41.599
<v Speaker 2>they had the clock on their side, they were gonna

755
00:35:41.599 --> 00:35:42.760
<v Speaker 2>be able to kneel it and get out of there.

756
00:35:42.800 --> 00:35:44.920
<v Speaker 2>There were two plays before that where I'm thinking to myself,

757
00:35:45.079 --> 00:35:47.239
<v Speaker 2>there's no way that like nobody really felt like Bandy

758
00:35:47.320 --> 00:35:49.679
<v Speaker 2>was gonna get it done, right. I mean, maybe you did,

759
00:35:49.760 --> 00:35:53.480
<v Speaker 2>and if so, then you were right. But that's a shocker. Like,

760
00:35:53.599 --> 00:35:56.800
<v Speaker 2>I don't that I'm sure this is recency biased on

761
00:35:56.840 --> 00:35:58.920
<v Speaker 2>my end, but like, I think that's one of the

762
00:35:58.960 --> 00:36:01.639
<v Speaker 2>biggest upsets in the history of college football as far

763
00:36:01.679 --> 00:36:05.719
<v Speaker 2>as just like watching it play out, knowing the history

764
00:36:06.159 --> 00:36:09.679
<v Speaker 2>of these programs in the last few decades, Like that's insane.

765
00:36:10.000 --> 00:36:12.920
<v Speaker 3>Imagine if you were somebody who parlayed all of the major.

766
00:36:12.760 --> 00:36:17.039
<v Speaker 2>Upsodes, Oh gosh, you'd probably retire, right, be a big payout,

767
00:36:17.119 --> 00:36:18.599
<v Speaker 2>no doubt about it. All right, quick break will come

768
00:36:18.599 --> 00:36:20.679
<v Speaker 2>back and wrap up the four o'clock hour. Keep this

769
00:36:20.679 --> 00:36:23.199
<v Speaker 2>thing rolling along. Well, let's get back to your phone calls.

770
00:36:23.199 --> 00:36:24.480
<v Speaker 2>If you guys want to give us a call. Fab

771
00:36:24.480 --> 00:36:26.400
<v Speaker 2>W two five to seven one seventy nine hundred is

772
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<v Speaker 2>the number. Phone lines are now back open. It's coffee

773
00:36:28.760 --> 00:36:30.880
<v Speaker 2>and company. Feel about Thornton's on Sports Talk seven ninety.

774
00:36:33.480 --> 00:36:39.519
<v Speaker 2>I haven't checked the updated rankings because you know the obvious,

775
00:36:39.559 --> 00:36:41.440
<v Speaker 2>but Indiana's got to be ranked now, right, they were

776
00:36:41.519 --> 00:36:43.320
<v Speaker 2>ranked last week they were where do you think they are?

777
00:36:43.360 --> 00:36:45.719
<v Speaker 3>This week? They were twenty two? Or they were right

778
00:36:45.719 --> 00:36:48.360
<v Speaker 3>behind Louisville at twenty three this past weekend? Were they

779
00:36:48.440 --> 00:36:48.840
<v Speaker 3>they were?

780
00:36:48.960 --> 00:36:50.679
<v Speaker 2>I didn't know that, and then I would guess now

781
00:36:50.719 --> 00:36:52.280
<v Speaker 2>they're like, I don't know. Eighteen.

782
00:36:52.360 --> 00:36:55.719
<v Speaker 3>So tied for eighteen with Kansas State and Oklahoma.

783
00:36:55.760 --> 00:36:58.199
<v Speaker 2>They became the first team to become Bowl eligible because

784
00:36:58.239 --> 00:37:01.280
<v Speaker 2>they got six wins in their game was played relatively early.

785
00:37:01.320 --> 00:37:02.760
<v Speaker 2>But does anybody else have six wins?

786
00:37:02.840 --> 00:37:03.559
<v Speaker 3>Miami does?

787
00:37:03.760 --> 00:37:07.960
<v Speaker 2>Okay, Miami, So Kurt Signetti already gets another year on

788
00:37:08.000 --> 00:37:11.920
<v Speaker 2>his contract because he's already Bowl eligible, something that like

789
00:37:12.920 --> 00:37:16.400
<v Speaker 2>clearly Indiana has expectations now this year and they're thinking

790
00:37:16.960 --> 00:37:20.679
<v Speaker 2>big picture that they could have. Really, I mean, they

791
00:37:20.719 --> 00:37:23.000
<v Speaker 2>already have shown they've made a good hire here, but

792
00:37:23.480 --> 00:37:27.480
<v Speaker 2>let's also not minimize like what has already been accomplished

793
00:37:27.519 --> 00:37:29.559
<v Speaker 2>is something that was very hard for a lot of

794
00:37:29.679 --> 00:37:33.360
<v Speaker 2>people to do it Indiana consistently, you know what I mean? Like, yeah,

795
00:37:33.400 --> 00:37:36.639
<v Speaker 2>I know, you know you're not satisfied, and you shouldn't

796
00:37:36.639 --> 00:37:38.920
<v Speaker 2>be as a fan. And I'm not just talking to

797
00:37:38.960 --> 00:37:41.039
<v Speaker 2>John he's an Indiana fan, but like Indiana fans, like

798
00:37:41.039 --> 00:37:43.280
<v Speaker 2>clearly they're not thinking, oh good, we're Bowl eligible.

799
00:37:43.280 --> 00:37:43.920
<v Speaker 3>They're just they're.

800
00:37:43.840 --> 00:37:48.039
<v Speaker 2>Riding this special, unexpected season that's just been absolutely awesome

801
00:37:48.039 --> 00:37:51.559
<v Speaker 2>for him. But do you know how hard it is

802
00:37:51.599 --> 00:37:53.880
<v Speaker 2>for Indiana football coaches in the past to get to

803
00:37:53.920 --> 00:37:54.480
<v Speaker 2>six wins?

804
00:37:54.880 --> 00:37:57.480
<v Speaker 3>I mean, and he does it without even taking a loss.

805
00:37:57.519 --> 00:38:00.280
<v Speaker 3>I mean, people keep mentioning this is the best art

806
00:38:00.280 --> 00:38:02.800
<v Speaker 3>to a season since nineteen sixty seven. And yeah, it

807
00:38:02.880 --> 00:38:05.000
<v Speaker 3>is a favorable schedule, like it's brought up a lot

808
00:38:05.039 --> 00:38:07.360
<v Speaker 3>of times as well, but there's been.

809
00:38:07.400 --> 00:38:10.360
<v Speaker 2>Other favorable schedules that you know, you just don't take advantage. Yeah,

810
00:38:10.440 --> 00:38:16.800
<v Speaker 2>I mean Tom Allen he won six games at Indiana

811
00:38:18.119 --> 00:38:19.960
<v Speaker 2>or more twice.

812
00:38:20.239 --> 00:38:22.119
<v Speaker 3>He had eight and four in nineteen and then the

813
00:38:22.159 --> 00:38:23.320
<v Speaker 3>six and two COVID years.

814
00:38:23.400 --> 00:38:29.400
<v Speaker 2>Yeah. So I mean Kevin Wilson, you know, he never

815
00:38:29.440 --> 00:38:31.360
<v Speaker 2>six and six seasons, I believe, Yeah, he never won

816
00:38:31.360 --> 00:38:35.400
<v Speaker 2>more than six. No, and in six games. Signetti has

817
00:38:35.480 --> 00:38:38.760
<v Speaker 2>has done that. I mean, I forgot Bill Lynch he

818
00:38:38.840 --> 00:38:44.400
<v Speaker 2>won six or more one time. I mean, this actually

819
00:38:44.440 --> 00:38:46.920
<v Speaker 2>puts it in perspective. Just you know, Indiana is just

820
00:38:46.960 --> 00:38:49.320
<v Speaker 2>not used to having much success. And I mean we

821
00:38:49.400 --> 00:38:52.320
<v Speaker 2>all know that. But the reason I wanted to reference

822
00:38:52.360 --> 00:38:58.480
<v Speaker 2>it is because six and zero is insane for Indiana.

823
00:38:58.519 --> 00:39:00.280
<v Speaker 2>I mean, it really is. And yeah, you're right are

824
00:39:00.280 --> 00:39:02.119
<v Speaker 2>mentioning the schedule, but I'm not hearing that a whole lot.

825
00:39:02.159 --> 00:39:06.039
<v Speaker 2>I mean, the noise about the schedule, the noise about

826
00:39:06.039 --> 00:39:10.079
<v Speaker 2>the schedule is not is not over you know, overdoing

827
00:39:10.119 --> 00:39:13.119
<v Speaker 2>any other conversation about Indiana football, which is that, Wow,

828
00:39:13.159 --> 00:39:15.880
<v Speaker 2>this guy's off to a great start. Hell yeah, Indiana

829
00:39:15.960 --> 00:39:18.239
<v Speaker 2>might have found themselves a damn good football coach. Like,

830
00:39:18.639 --> 00:39:24.320
<v Speaker 2>you know, it's easily one of not the biggest storyline,

831
00:39:24.360 --> 00:39:26.679
<v Speaker 2>and it's not one of the biggest storylines in college football.

832
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<v Speaker 2>But like when you look at six weeks in for

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<v Speaker 2>the whole sport, like Indiana being a good team is

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<v Speaker 2>certainly one of the talking points.

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<v Speaker 3>Yeah, and now they're going into their bye week. They'll

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<v Speaker 3>have Nebraska in two weeks hosting them for homecoming, and

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<v Speaker 3>the back half of the schedule does look a little

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<v Speaker 3>more daunting than the first half. Of course, after that,

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<v Speaker 3>you have Washington New's coming off that win against Michigan.

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<v Speaker 3>You go on the road at Michigan State and they're

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<v Speaker 3>a decent team, and then you have the two weeks

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<v Speaker 3>in a row, or not even two weeks in a row.

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<v Speaker 3>You have Michigan at home, and then you have another

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<v Speaker 3>bye week Ohio State on the road, and then you

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<v Speaker 3>finish up with Purdue at home. I mean, you could

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<v Speaker 3>reasonably expect Indiana to at worst finish with eight or

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<v Speaker 3>nine wins.

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah, I would say, like you, you certainly should beat

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<v Speaker 2>Michigan State. I think Nebraska is going to be easily

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<v Speaker 2>the toughest game you've had up to this point. Washington,

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<v Speaker 2>you know, you got them at home, and they're winning

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<v Speaker 2>against Michigan does make them look a little bit more challenging.

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<v Speaker 2>And then Michigan, you know, I think.

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<v Speaker 3>They're home game. That's very gettable.

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<v Speaker 2>I guess what really, and there's no way to know this,

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<v Speaker 2>but like we know UCLA sucks really bad.

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<v Speaker 3>Right, Yes, and you can almost argue that everybody Indian

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<v Speaker 3>has played in the conference or the worst teams in

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<v Speaker 3>the Okay.

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<v Speaker 2>That's that's what I was going to ask you. So

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<v Speaker 2>like if Maryland and Northwestern are truly the bottom of

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<v Speaker 2>the league, maybe alongside Purdue. Yeah, you know you can't

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<v Speaker 2>control that, but that would you know, honestly, it.

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<v Speaker 3>Will be telling when they that Nebraska games.

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<v Speaker 2>That Nebraska game should be a big time game for

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<v Speaker 2>you guys as far as really seeing where you stand

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<v Speaker 2>and there's not a line out there.

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<v Speaker 3>Thrust all three and a half in favor of Oh wow.

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<v Speaker 2>Okay, I mean I can't say I'm shocked.

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<v Speaker 3>Me neither. I think that's round the money too.

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<v Speaker 2>Good stuff are We got another hour to go. We'll

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<v Speaker 2>get back to your phone calls, reset some things here

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<v Speaker 2>in the five o'clock hour. Try to finish strong. I

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<v Speaker 2>mean it when I say it. It has helped me to

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<v Speaker 2>kind of talk through it. I've been just just bitter

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<v Speaker 2>about Louisville football since Saturday. I think everybody everybody has,

877
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<v Speaker 2>but be one thing if you just you know, losing

878
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<v Speaker 2>is never fun. But for this team to just be

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<v Speaker 2>where they are and have these types of issues, it's

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<v Speaker 2>just really disappointing. But hey, they got time to get

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<v Speaker 2>it turned around. Don't go anywhere. It's coffee and company

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<v Speaker 2>on field by Thorns on sport Stock, seven ninety