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Speaker 2: Because Louisville's lost SMU was one of the early results
Speaker 2: in the college football Saturday. Like, I hadn't even thought
Speaker 2: about it, but a couple of people have asked on
Speaker 2: the text line, you know, where would Louisville have been
Speaker 2: in the rankings and like in the playoff picture had
Speaker 2: they won? And I don't think the playoff picture would
Speaker 2: have changed. I mean there was no real upsets in
Speaker 2: the ACC. I mean it was just elsewhere. I mean,
Speaker 2: cayl should have beat Miami, but they didn't. So Miami
Speaker 2: still is the top ranked team and one of the
Speaker 2: you know, undefeated teams in the ACC. So it really
Speaker 2: you know, maybe I don't know if this makes you
Speaker 2: feel any better given you know, what happened with Louisville
Speaker 2: as far as just another disappointing performance overall. But I
Speaker 2: don't really know if they would have I mean, they
Speaker 2: clearly would have jumped up a little bit in the
Speaker 2: rankings and the app pole just because a lot of
Speaker 2: teams lost. But and we love seeing that number next
Speaker 2: to our name, and you know, it does make you
Speaker 2: feel good, and there's some perception there if you're ranked,
Speaker 2: and you must be pretty good. But the only rankings
Speaker 2: that really matter anymore the ones that we're gonna get
Speaker 2: in a few weeks when we get the college football
Speaker 2: playoff rankings. So Saturday was wild, and it was it
Speaker 2: was crazy to see all the upsets, especially Vandy in Alabama.
Speaker 2: I mean, that's I don't know, if you guys saw
Speaker 2: Lane Kiffin during his postgame press conference after they demolished
Speaker 2: South Carolina, I got that one wrong. You know, he
Speaker 2: was kind of you know, he apologized to those asking
Speaker 2: questions in a press conference because he was not paying attention,
Speaker 2: he was looking at the TV in the room wherever
Speaker 2: he was, because he was witnessing what you really thought
Speaker 2: you'd never see. I mean, I could live three hundred
Speaker 2: years and I'd have told you, you know, good chance
Speaker 2: I never see Vandy in football beat Alabama, and they did.
Speaker 2: I mean, it's you know, you've seen number one teams
Speaker 2: go down before to big underdogs. But you got to
Speaker 2: think about the brand of Vandy football. There's bottom feeders
Speaker 2: in every league, but has anybody ever been consistently just
Speaker 2: that bad in their own conference, and yes, their conference
Speaker 2: is the best conference in college football. We know that,
Speaker 2: but like you, when you think of programs that clearly
Speaker 2: don't have a whole lot to do with the success
Speaker 2: of a conference when it comes to football, I mean,
Speaker 2: of all the conferences out there, especially in the Power four,
Speaker 2: Power five in the previous world, Vandy comes to mind
Speaker 2: before anybody because they're just like there's sometimes where you
Speaker 2: could look at the second to third, second or third
Speaker 2: to last team in the SEC, and you know, you
Speaker 2: might say, Okay, if they go to a different power
Speaker 2: for a league, they're still not going to be good,
Speaker 2: but they'd probably be middle of the pack. You really
Speaker 2: wouldn't say that about Vandy. I mean this year you can,
Speaker 2: but like even this year they lost to Georgia State,
Speaker 2: so like Vandy is Vandy, and for them to go
Speaker 2: out there and really just be better than Alabama for
Speaker 2: that entire game and hold on and win was insane.
Speaker 2: And the way they celebrated afterwards was awesome. I mean
Speaker 2: it was you know, I know, guys are getting paid now.
Speaker 2: Nil of course is a big factor in sports, and
Speaker 2: that's not going anywhere. It's very much professional sports now.
Speaker 2: But because it was Vandy that did it, Like it
Speaker 2: kind of gave you that wholesome feeling that we probably
Speaker 2: won't get very often anymore in college sports because you know,
Speaker 2: it's Vandy.
Speaker 3: I saw you ask for a link to the Alabama
Speaker 3: postgame radio show. Did you listen to any of that?
Speaker 2: So I fired it up and at that point it
Speaker 2: was just the network coverage, So it was like it
Speaker 2: was the It wasn't a call in show. It it
Speaker 2: was the Alabama network, which of course they were dejected
Speaker 2: and not happy. But you know, I didn't stick around
Speaker 2: to hear angry callers, you know, and I'm not really
Speaker 2: I'm sure they're upset, but like, I haven't really seen
Speaker 2: a whole lot of uh oh, Kaylen de bor is
Speaker 2: in big trouble, you know what I mean?
Speaker 3: Because it's weird. You're coming off of a massive win
Speaker 3: against Georgia right before that, and then you have one
Speaker 3: of the worst losses in the last team.
Speaker 2: Really, you're in the history of your program, and you know,
Speaker 2: I think you know you're good enough to be I mean,
Speaker 2: you win a championship this year, nobody'd be surprised even
Speaker 2: following that loss. I think that's still something that can
Speaker 2: be said, but it's also one of those things where
Speaker 2: you really learned with that l why replacing Nick Saban
Speaker 2: as impossible. Not to say other coaches won't do really
Speaker 2: well there, but there's no way Nick Saban loses that game, right, I.
Speaker 3: Mean, you heard you put this comment on Twitter or
Speaker 3: it was a video or conversation between him and Pat
Speaker 3: McAfee of him saying that the easiest place there's no
Speaker 3: easy place to play in the SEC except for Vanderbilt.
Speaker 2: And I'm pretty sure he had said it just two
Speaker 2: weeks prior.
Speaker 4: But the only place you play in the SEC that's
Speaker 4: not hard to play is Vanderbilt Vandailt.
Speaker 3: You have more fans there than they have. And that's
Speaker 3: no disrespect to them, it's not.
Speaker 2: It's just and again that that's not even him claiming
Speaker 2: like that's not a that's not a shot at Vandy.
Speaker 2: I mean it is, but I think he's just telling
Speaker 2: the truth. Like anybody in the SEC knows that. Like
Speaker 2: everybody's laughing because that's not what you typically hear a
Speaker 2: coach say. But like again, we're talking about Vandy. Yeah,
Speaker 2: when you play them there, you will have more fans
Speaker 2: than them because it's Vandy and his. Nashville has become
Speaker 2: like the most overcrowded city in the world, it seems.
Speaker 2: I mean, I'm I'm exaggerating, but like I used to
Speaker 2: love Nashville, I don't really have any interest in doing
Speaker 2: anything in Nashville. Not to say I won't go there
Speaker 2: for something at some point, but like.
Speaker 3: It's like Hollywood East now. Yeah.
Speaker 2: Yeah, so like the more popular and trendy that Nashville
Speaker 2: has become, Like celebrities are moving there. Like it's I mean,
Speaker 2: it's crazy what that city is now compared to what
Speaker 2: it was like twenty years ago, even ten years ago.
Speaker 2: But like the type of people that or really the
Speaker 2: new Nashville vibe. They don't give a damn about Vandy football.
Speaker 2: I mean not that people in Nashville ever really did,
Speaker 2: but like because it's now that city, you've got fans
Speaker 2: that make Vandy the trip. Right, We're gonna go to
Speaker 2: one road game year, We're gonna go to Vandy. Why
Speaker 2: not because it's Nashville and we'll be on the road,
Speaker 2: but will actually be the home team because they don't
Speaker 2: have any fans. Like it's just almost like, hey, anybody
Speaker 2: playing Vandy at their place, you can basically have eighty
Speaker 2: percent of the stadium and you get a weekend in Nashville,
Speaker 2: like that's kind of what it was.
Speaker 3: And as you being somebody in downtown Nashville that evening
Speaker 3: and you see the goalposts coming down Broadway and being
Speaker 3: the most confused human beings alive because you have no
Speaker 3: idea what massive upset just happened.
Speaker 2: Yeah, And I saw a lot of people mentioning that,
Speaker 2: and I'm sure there were many that are from other
Speaker 2: countries that are there experiencing downtown Nashville Broadway and they
Speaker 2: don't follow college football. But I don't know, Like to me,
Speaker 2: I guess I just can't relate, cause I know you're right,
Speaker 2: like there's no doubt there are people that were there
Speaker 2: experiencing Nashville that don't care about college football, and if
Speaker 2: they do, they don't care about Vandy. But I just
Speaker 2: I don't know, Like I can't relate to people who
Speaker 2: don't have like a Saturday where they're just keeping up
Speaker 2: with what's going on in college football. Clearly there's many
Speaker 2: people that don't, and you know they're probably not sad
Speaker 2: like I am, because Louisville football makes me sad. And
Speaker 2: if I didn't have that emotional connection, that emotional investment
Speaker 2: in my team, I wouldn't be sad, and I was
Speaker 2: very sad on Saturday. But all in all, I think
Speaker 2: to see the shakeup elsewhere it actually made it, you know,
Speaker 2: I guess it distracted me a little bit from it
Speaker 2: more than anything. Like it didn't change, Like, it doesn't
Speaker 2: make Louisville situation any worse or better that all these
Speaker 2: other teams lost, But it was wild to see all
Speaker 2: those upsets take place. I didn't see any of the
Speaker 2: Michigan and why I actually, actually I did see the
Speaker 2: Michigan Washington game. I didn't see any of Minnesota USC.
Speaker 2: But Minnesota just nearly beat Michigan last week, right, they did.
Speaker 3: And there was a lot of officiating issues going on
Speaker 3: at the end of that Minnesota USC game where they
Speaker 3: were reviewing plays and then overturning calls that probably shouldn't
Speaker 3: have been overturned in the grand scheme of things. So,
Speaker 3: I mean, Minnesota won, but a lot of people are
Speaker 3: thinking there was some you know, some shady stuff going
Speaker 3: on with some officiating there.
Speaker 2: Yeah, Minnesota's lost. I think a lot of close games,
Speaker 2: unless I'm just completely really.
Speaker 3: Close to Michigan really close to North Carolina and that
Speaker 3: can actual I think Iowa blew them out early in
Speaker 3: the season. But other than that though.
Speaker 2: Because PJ. Flex said something after the game, because I
Speaker 2: think they're now just two and.
Speaker 3: Three three team in the country.
Speaker 2: You know, coaches understandably get made fun of when they
Speaker 2: say that, but I kind of feel like he could
Speaker 2: like he he might have, you know, good good reason
Speaker 2: to say that. Now, maybe USC is not as good
Speaker 2: as advertised. And clearly Michigan, although that was a game
Speaker 2: you should have won, you did lose, and I'm not
Speaker 2: sure how good they are.
Speaker 3: They're now on their third quarterback of the year. Yeah,
Speaker 3: it's not I mean not due to injury, dude, because
Speaker 3: they can't figure it out.
Speaker 2: Yeah, and sure, Owan Moore, I don't know if any
Speaker 2: of this is like his doing, but you know, coming
Speaker 2: off of a national championship with a lot of talent
Speaker 2: on that team, I mean, clearly they're gonna miss j
Speaker 2: McCarthy and they're gonna miss Harball. Those are big shoes
Speaker 2: to fill. But he won't get a whole lot of
Speaker 2: time to be like this, you know what I mean.
Speaker 3: I would say if it's if it's mediocre this year
Speaker 3: and it's similar or worse next year, that would be
Speaker 3: it for him.
Speaker 2: Yeah, I wouldn't be shocked because what you have there
Speaker 2: is that well, I guess it depends on how patient
Speaker 2: the athletic director would be. But to be fair, you know,
Speaker 2: you don't have to be patient anymore in college sports,
Speaker 2: Like you just don't because you can go get a coach,
Speaker 2: and if you've got resources, like a Michigan program would
Speaker 2: in football, they don't need four years to to get
Speaker 2: their guys in and develop and coach them up. You
Speaker 2: can go buy a new team. So like, you don't
Speaker 2: need to be patient. So you know, I was gonna say, well,
Speaker 2: they could wait and see, but you don't. Why would
Speaker 2: you do that? That could put you at risk? You
Speaker 2: wait two more years after two you know, you know,
Speaker 2: two mid level years, then you just you know, you.
Speaker 3: Don't see players waiting and seeing exactly jump around to
Speaker 3: whatever the hell they want.
Speaker 2: Yeah, and there's nothing. It's not like you've got to Like,
Speaker 2: for example, even if Kaylea Debor ended up having another
Speaker 2: head scratching loss this year, not to say that they
Speaker 2: you know, would lose to a Vandy, but like, let's
Speaker 2: just say they're not in three this year, which is possible.
Speaker 2: You know, you've seen this guy and every other place
Speaker 2: that he's been. You know he can win. All you
Speaker 2: know is that Sharon Moore came in as an assistant
Speaker 2: under Jim Harbaugh and now he's like, it's not like
Speaker 2: you went out and brought in somebody who's who's shown
Speaker 2: a proof of concept that he can win. This is
Speaker 2: a first time coach at a place like Michigan, and
Speaker 2: as a Louisvie basketball fan, I can tell you that
Speaker 2: usually don't work out when it comes to big time
Speaker 2: programs with big expectations, guys who've been in the sport
Speaker 2: but never had that actual job anywhere. All Right, it's
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Speaker 2: seven to one, seventy nine hundred. A lot of talk
Speaker 2: about the Louis of the defense, and I got into
Speaker 2: this on the postgame show, and we've had a couple
Speaker 2: of people ask this already today that I guess didn't
Speaker 2: listen to the postgame show, and that's okay. It's a
Speaker 2: different audience. And if you're a louis a fan like
Speaker 2: you may not like Kentucky fans, no doubt they're going
Speaker 2: to want to consume every second of a postgame show
Speaker 2: when Louisville loses. That's just how it works. We do
Speaker 2: the same thing, at least some of us do when
Speaker 2: it comes to Kentucky when they lose. But if you're
Speaker 2: a Louisville fan, like maybe you, if you're not calling
Speaker 2: into it to you know, to vent yourself and utilize
Speaker 2: the platform to express some frustration, share some thoughts, like
Speaker 2: maybe you don't want to listen to it because you're
Speaker 2: thinking it'll just make me more sad. But here's here's
Speaker 2: the Ron English, the quick run English story as far
Speaker 2: as how he got to Louisville and how he's back
Speaker 2: at Louisville working for Jeff Bron, because that is a
Speaker 2: fair question. He was at Louisville in two thousand and
Speaker 2: eight for one season. It was viewed as a big
Speaker 2: time higher by Steve Kragthorpe because Crackthorpe stunk in his
Speaker 2: first year. We all know that, and one of the
Speaker 2: I guess one of the reasons to get fans excited that, Hey,
Speaker 2: the last year was a fluke. We're going to get better.
Speaker 2: As one, Jurch and Cragthorpe blamed Jeff Bron, which is
Speaker 2: rich to think about. But also they brought in Ron English.
Speaker 2: Ron English had just come from Michigan or he'd worked
Speaker 2: for he'd work for I think of his coach car Yeah,
Speaker 2: Lloyd Carr. He was Lloyd Carr's defensive coordinator there for
Speaker 2: three seasons and they were really good. And then he
Speaker 2: got the job at Louisville as a DC. Was only
Speaker 2: here one year. Then he got a head coaching job.
Speaker 2: He was a really really bad head coach. Ron English was.
Speaker 2: He went Oho to twelve to and ten, a surprising
Speaker 2: six and six, and then he went to in ten
Speaker 2: and one and eight before he got fired, so eleven
Speaker 2: and forty six. After that, he did not coach in
Speaker 2: college for three years maybe, And there were some allegations made.
Speaker 2: This is something that I did not remember, and I'm
Speaker 2: glad somebody reminded me of this on Saturday. He was
Speaker 2: abruptly fired in November of twenty thirteen, less than twenty
Speaker 2: four hours before they played Western Michigan. Now, I think
Speaker 2: when you have that kind of record and you get
Speaker 2: abruptly fired, it might just be chalked up as, Yeah,
Speaker 2: it's time to pull the plug. This thing ain't working. However,
Speaker 2: he ended up being featured in a Detroit News article that,
Speaker 2: you know, I don't know if it was just I
Speaker 2: think it was like a long form investigative piece that
Speaker 2: they did about some allegations made of him, the way
Speaker 2: he was talking to his players, you know, using expletives
Speaker 2: and whatnot. One of them I think was I mean,
Speaker 2: from the article he used apparently a homophobic slur, and
Speaker 2: the athletic director at that time confirmed that what was
Speaker 2: alleged was true and she made the move to fire him.
Speaker 2: So when he did not coach anymore after that, it
Speaker 2: might have been because nobody wanted to touch him because
Speaker 2: of those allegations. I don't know, but anyways, he got
Speaker 2: let go in twenty thirteen. He resurfaced in twenty sixteen
Speaker 2: as the San Jose State defensive coordinator one year Mississippi
Speaker 2: State as the safety's coach for one year was the
Speaker 2: Florida Safeties coach for three years and then after that
Speaker 2: he landed at Purdue as the co DC and defensive
Speaker 2: backs coach. And I don't really know how it played
Speaker 2: out at Purdue, but at some point he ended up
Speaker 2: being the actual DC or maybe he was still co DC,
Speaker 2: but either way, at the time Jeff was being pursued
Speaker 2: by Louisville. The second time around, Purdue actually had a
Speaker 2: pretty good defense and he was a guy that was,
Speaker 2: you know, in charge of that. So I think it
Speaker 2: made sense for Jeff to bring him along and kind of,
Speaker 2: you know, bring what's working with you at Purdue and
Speaker 2: try to make you work here. And to be fair,
Speaker 2: Ron English last year had a good defense until you know,
Speaker 2: he didn't. I mean, it's kind of wild. Last year
Speaker 2: in the first half, Jeff was so matter of fact
Speaker 2: about in the opener against Georgia Tech. You guys remember
Speaker 2: at halftime when he was like, and that's one of
Speaker 2: the things I really appreciate about Jeff. And we'll let
Speaker 2: you hear his comments after the game on Saturday that
Speaker 2: kind of, you know, are consistent with this to where
Speaker 2: he'll just claim, like I don't know what he's not
Speaker 2: going to mention his coach by name. He's not going
Speaker 2: to say, hey, I'm gonna have I'm gonna have to
Speaker 2: give these coaches a talking to, but like you can
Speaker 2: tell what he's saying. And they made adjustments after that.
Speaker 2: They simplified it against Georgia Tech, and they came out
Speaker 2: and the defense was really good from like then until
Speaker 2: you know, the end of the year, and then it
Speaker 2: kind of fell apart. Nothing like what we're seeing now.
Speaker 2: I mean this right now, they're as disorganized and just
Speaker 2: as sloppy defensively as I've seen since that nightmare twenty
Speaker 2: eighteen year that was coached by who was it, Brian
Speaker 2: Van Gord, Like that's we're not that bad defensively, but
Speaker 2: we make the same kind of mistakes at times that
Speaker 2: that defense makes, which is just head scratching. So, you know,
Speaker 2: Ron English is not a guy that you know, has
Speaker 2: had like he has not been viewed in the college
Speaker 2: football world objectively as a very successful defensive coordinator really
Speaker 2: since his days at Michigan, which was you know, pre Crackthorpe.
Speaker 2: So from then on he just kind of is latched
Speaker 2: on and again Jeff brought in with him, and last year,
Speaker 2: you know, it worked until towards the end of the
Speaker 2: year and this year obviously, I think there was a
Speaker 2: lot of expectation with this defense because of the talent,
Speaker 2: and they're not delivering in any way. So as far
Speaker 2: as you know, I don't know what you'd accomplished by
Speaker 2: canning him, like firing him, and I think they would
Speaker 2: have done that would have already been done at least,
Speaker 2: meaning you know now this week before you play Virginia.
Speaker 2: But I think when it comes to simplifying things, like
Speaker 2: maybe that's just Jeff kind of being the one that
Speaker 2: does the game plan, that does the strategy, because he's
Speaker 2: clearly not happy with what they've done in the last
Speaker 2: two games and maybe even three games if you consider
Speaker 2: the Georgia Tech game where Haines King had himself a
Speaker 2: hell of a day, you know, So wouldn't shock me
Speaker 2: if maybe Jeff has a little bit more of a
Speaker 2: direct role in simplifying things defensively. Look, if you're an
Speaker 2: offensive coach and you call plays, you know what that means.
Speaker 2: You know defense pretty well. So it's not crazy to
Speaker 2: think that a guy who is known as an offensive
Speaker 2: coach that can call plays. And despite some of our
Speaker 2: frustration with these fourth down calls and really just to
Speaker 2: play calling at times has been vanilla for Jeff. Despite
Speaker 2: all that, I think we know the guy's capable of
Speaker 2: being an elite play caller, and again, if you can
Speaker 2: do that, I think you know a little something about
Speaker 2: defense as well. Real quick, before we get back to
Speaker 2: the phone lines, I promise we're going to get to
Speaker 2: you guys in just a second, But I do want
Speaker 2: to let you hear this clip because I mean, and
Speaker 2: this is a little longer than what we typically would
Speaker 2: play for a sound clip on the show, but I
Speaker 2: think every second of it is worth hearing. This is Jeff,
Speaker 2: and you can't see it, obviously, this is an audio medium,
Speaker 2: but you can listen to what he says and understand
Speaker 2: the urgency and understand the frustration. But like even his
Speaker 2: facial expressions, I think it's almost like he's speaking calmly,
Speaker 2: but he's almost about to explode because he's just so
Speaker 2: disappointed with one their strategy meeting defensively and the lack
Speaker 2: of execution and just you know, the overall mess of
Speaker 2: the defense has been at times this year.
Speaker 3: Pressure package to kind of get Jenning's uncomfortable in the backfield.
Speaker 5: Yeah, I was talked about all week and it wasn't
Speaker 5: carried out. So we've got to, you know, call a
Speaker 5: better game and make sure that we're way more aggressive
Speaker 5: and that we have a consistent plan that doesn't have
Speaker 5: adjustments when they do something different, and that starts with us.
Speaker 2: So there's more to that that I'm gonna let you play.
Speaker 2: But like when he says we that starts with us,
Speaker 2: he's talking about ron English and his defensive staff. I mean,
Speaker 2: maybe he's just talking about ron English, maybe he's talking
Speaker 2: about the whole stat but you know, like that's what
Speaker 2: he's talking about. And you can tell that's why they're
Speaker 2: looking around like they're not quite sure. Because anytime SMU
Speaker 2: or even Notre Dame or Georgia Tech, I guess, is
Speaker 2: throwing something different at you. These guys defensively are having
Speaker 2: to make adjustments on the fly, like they're not being
Speaker 2: like it's just it's it's from top to bottom. It's
Speaker 2: a mess. Let me see if I can pull up
Speaker 2: where we were.
Speaker 5: Well, quite frankly, we need to coach better. I don't
Speaker 5: think the the plan had too many adjustments for different
Speaker 5: formations and emp sets and some things like that, And
Speaker 5: I don't want get in too much detail, but it
Speaker 5: needs to be simpler. It needs to be sound and
Speaker 5: then carried out. But we can't blaming all our players
Speaker 5: that the plan needs to be better. That falls on
Speaker 5: us and me. So we've got to go to work
Speaker 5: and make sure that you know, that part doesn't happen again,
Speaker 5: because we have not gotten off to good starts and
Speaker 5: it has been costly.
Speaker 2: So for anybody who is a little sensitive and that's okay,
Speaker 2: Like you're you know, it's still kind of new to
Speaker 2: you and you don't like when people call out Jeff
Speaker 2: Brohm for a bad decision or claim that Louisville struggles.
Speaker 2: Some of them are on the coaching staff. I mean
Speaker 2: it's a collective thing here. It's not just one coach
Speaker 2: or one thing. It's I mean a variety of things
Speaker 2: that have left us in this position. But like just
Speaker 2: not just saying that because he's he thinks it's what
Speaker 2: he's supposed to say as a coach. I think he
Speaker 2: believes it, like he knows that as a staff they've
Speaker 2: not done a good enough job. Now maybe he thinks
Speaker 2: there's you know, a couple of coaches or one coach
Speaker 2: that's really let them down, but you know, I think
Speaker 2: he even would tell you that he could go back,
Speaker 2: and you know, you should be able to just line
Speaker 2: up and run the ball and get one yard. So
Speaker 2: when that happens and you can't, like I feel like
Speaker 2: the players need to like sack up if you will.
Speaker 2: But then again, if you've done it that many times
Speaker 2: as a coach and these guys have proven to you
Speaker 2: that they're not capable of doing it, that you need
Speaker 2: to stop doing it. And he did confirm on Saturday
Speaker 2: that they know they can't do that now and they want.
Speaker 2: I'm sure we might see a scenario where they go
Speaker 2: for it in that situation again. But I mean if
Speaker 2: they line up for a fourth and one and we
Speaker 2: see Donald Cheney out there instead of Isaac Brown, people
Speaker 2: may their heads make explode. All right, real quick before
Speaker 2: we get your break, Allison has been waiting patiently. Allison,
Speaker 2: welcome in here. Sports Talk seven ninety. How you doing today?
Speaker 4: I'm good, Nick, How are you?
Speaker 2: All things considered? I'm I'm doing okay.
Speaker 3: Yeah, talking through it helps.
Speaker 4: Yeah, I think after the post, after the game, I
Speaker 4: just had to kind of just take some time for myself.
Speaker 4: But so two things, Nick is I'm not a big
Speaker 4: fan of the co defensive titles, and I just kind
Speaker 4: of if you have any insight, is Ron English, we
Speaker 4: would assume he's actually calling the place. Yes, So what
Speaker 4: is Mark Hagan's actual row besides coaching the secondary which
Speaker 4: is got awful. And another thing is is I know
Speaker 4: this is going to be a hot take and and
Speaker 4: and people might think I'm crazy, but if you continue
Speaker 4: to see these results, I think you hand the book
Speaker 4: over to Mark Abby and you let him try. I mean,
Speaker 4: we saw when he coached in term DC last year
Speaker 4: or two years ago. You know how much pass rush
Speaker 4: he brought. He knows that those guys, So I just
Speaker 4: don't think that would be you know, worth, it would
Speaker 4: be worth a shot. And you know, I remember back
Speaker 4: in August, wd RB did a story on it. Is
Speaker 4: Ron English said, blame Ron English. Well, I think we
Speaker 4: are we want some truth and we want to know
Speaker 4: what's going on. You're you're using Ashton in the wrong way.
Speaker 4: Everybody on the knows you're using Ashton wrong, you know,
Speaker 4: And I just that really just upsets me. And I
Speaker 4: think the other thing would be for me, Nick is
Speaker 4: the line of games, the first downs that aren't getting
Speaker 4: called and we're not reviewing. That makes me wonder who's upstairs,
Speaker 4: who's looking at these things from our side that's not
Speaker 4: telling Jeff, Hey Jeff, you need to review that we
Speaker 4: got a first down? Or hey Jeff, they didn't get
Speaker 4: a first down. You know, can we review that, because
Speaker 4: there's been several times those that have been missed and
Speaker 4: we haven't even tried to challenge it. So those are
Speaker 4: just my two takes that that I see that are
Speaker 4: a little alarming, And I'll hang up and listen to thank.
Speaker 2: You appreciate it, Alison. Yeah, we're up against it. Let's
Speaker 2: get to a quick break, and I'll react to to
Speaker 2: some of the things that she said there. Because as
Speaker 2: far as who would lead the defense, like who would
Speaker 2: call the defense, I really don't know because I'm not
Speaker 2: sure who has experience on this staff and doing that.
Speaker 2: Maybe Mark Hagen, I think he'd probably be the first
Speaker 2: in line, but obviously coach Ivy is a guy that
Speaker 2: you know, has proven to be a very valuable asset
Speaker 2: to the defense. But I just don't know if that's
Speaker 2: something in his bag, if that's something he's done before.
Speaker 2: A quick break will come back, keep it rolling along.
Speaker 2: It's Coffee and Company. We are feel about Thorntons right
Speaker 2: here on Sports Talk seven ninety so Allison who called
Speaker 2: in just a moment ago. She referenced an article in WDRB.
Speaker 2: This was Rick Bosch who published this in August that
Speaker 2: ron Al Rodger read the headline Ron English says blame
Speaker 2: Ron English for Louisville's defensive breakdown last season. The quote,
Speaker 2: I didn't coach as well as I needed to. I
Speaker 2: didn't put the players in the positions they needed to
Speaker 2: be in. And that was the facts. Another part of
Speaker 2: his quote here in this piece from Rick Bosch, without depth,
Speaker 2: that shows up at the end of the seasons, right,
Speaker 2: it kind of showed up. It kind of showed up.
Speaker 2: He said that twice in the middle of our defense
Speaker 2: last year with the linebackers and the safeties. But I
Speaker 2: felt that coaching was a part of it. I would
Speaker 2: say this, I don't think we coached our best games
Speaker 2: against Kentucky and Southern Cal. I think we played well
Speaker 2: for a half and then I think we kind of
Speaker 2: got razzled against Kentucky. And then he mentions the kickoff
Speaker 2: return that hurt him a little bit. But last part
Speaker 2: here it says, so I think we can coach better,
Speaker 2: to be honest, and that really stood out to me
Speaker 2: because I don't think you oftentimes you know, he didn't
Speaker 2: have to say that. I mean, he could have just
Speaker 2: given us, you know, we're working harder to fix it,
Speaker 2: but like he really wanted to very much directly say
Speaker 2: blame him, And it was more so the coaches not
Speaker 2: putting the players in the position to succeed. And you
Speaker 2: know what that tells me, One, that's you know, that's
Speaker 2: be careful what you asked for, Ron, because we are
Speaker 2: blaming you now especially, but also you know, it tells
Speaker 2: me that there were conversations that took place last year
Speaker 2: following the season among the coaches Jeff Bromp to his staff.
Speaker 2: Ron English clearly one of them about that. Like I
Speaker 2: think collectively everybody agrees that that was a factor and
Speaker 2: that the coaching was and it was one of the
Speaker 2: issues and maybe the biggest issue with why the defense
Speaker 2: fell off a little bit last year. So that would
Speaker 2: tell me that coming into this year there'd be a
Speaker 2: big emphasis song getting that fixed. And unfortunately for Ron English,
Speaker 2: they've come out and it's been worse. And I know
Speaker 2: we live in a world now where it's so much
Speaker 2: extreme one side or so much extreme the other, and
Speaker 2: you rarely the acknowledge the middle ground, which is really
Speaker 2: where the majority of the facts are, and usually that's
Speaker 2: where the majority of the people feel. They're not as
Speaker 2: strongly this way or that way. They just you know,
Speaker 2: they're in the middle. So what I'm getting at is like,
Speaker 2: I'm not telling you Louis defensively has the talent and
Speaker 2: in personnel or where they should have held that SMU
Speaker 2: offense to ten points. No, SMU's actually got some pretty
Speaker 2: good players, and I think their offense is legit, But
Speaker 2: when you're seeing the disorganization and the confusion, like that's coaching.
Speaker 2: And you heard Jeff talk about it and he said
Speaker 2: he didn't want to get into the you know, too
Speaker 2: much detail, but yeah, it's just overly complicated. It needs
Speaker 2: to be simple. It needs to be more simple. They
Speaker 2: need to be more aggressive and they're not. And you know,
Speaker 2: if you'd ask me on Saturday, gun to my head,
Speaker 2: do I think ron English is like let go? I
Speaker 2: would have said no, just because I don't know necessarily
Speaker 2: what that accomplishes, and I don't really think you've had
Speaker 2: results that have been that egregious to where you're truly gonna,
Speaker 2: you know, give them the boot. Now, if they did
Speaker 2: make it change, I can't say that I'd be totally shocked,
Speaker 2: but like I would imagine, without it being any kind
Speaker 2: of public thing, I would I would imagine that that
Speaker 2: Ron English will not be solely in charge of some
Speaker 2: things that he was previously solely in charge of on defense.
Speaker 2: Just just a guess. I mean, maybe I'm wrong, but
Speaker 2: if you're Bram and you clearly know and you've told
Speaker 2: us he hasn't thrown anybody under the bus directly, but
Speaker 2: we all know what he's talking about and who he's
Speaker 2: talking about, and for there not to be somebody like
Speaker 2: Brom step in to kind of, you know, take those
Speaker 2: responsibilities away from somebody who's hurting you. That's on you
Speaker 2: at that point. So I think, I think, you know,
Speaker 2: I don't know what the results are going to be,
Speaker 2: but I would I would be shocked if there's not,
Speaker 2: you know, some mixing around as far as who's doing
Speaker 2: what on that staff. And it's needed, it's needed. So
Speaker 2: the other question or the other comment that Allison made
Speaker 2: as far as using I mean, I wouldn't be able
Speaker 2: to tell you how you could effectively utilize Ashton and
Speaker 2: make him more. I mean, whatever they're doing is not working,
Speaker 2: and know that. But look, he's had games where he's
Speaker 2: been double teamed. He's had games where he's clearly gonna
Speaker 2: be the focal point of the opposing team when it
Speaker 2: comes to like BEFO, we're going to be successful offensively,
Speaker 2: we got to make sure we double team this guy,
Speaker 2: neutralize the threat that he brings because he's an animal.
Speaker 2: And I mean that in a very complimentary way. Asking
Speaker 2: July he is to hell of a player, hadn't shown
Speaker 2: up this year, and clearly he's got to take some
Speaker 2: accountability for that. But I would say what they're doing
Speaker 2: to try to get him active is if they're doing anything,
Speaker 2: it's not working, all right. It is Coffee and Company.
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Speaker 2: that I feel any differently about this team after watching
Speaker 2: Louisville live, just because that's not what that event is meaning.
Speaker 2: It's not an event where you really get a chance
Speaker 2: to kind of see much of anything as far as
Speaker 2: like competitiveness. I mean, I wish there were more than
Speaker 2: just three guys in the in the three point shootout
Speaker 2: dunk contest was you know, it was interesting. But there's
Speaker 2: an ACC preview that came out from Sports Illustrated, our man,
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Speaker 2: We'll start bringing him in as we get closer to
Speaker 2: the season, but he had his preseason ACC right up,
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Speaker 2: anybody I've seen, which has me excited. So we'll talk
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Speaker 2: acc tip off. They call it Operation Basketball, and I
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Speaker 2: can't they just call it media days?
Speaker 1: You know?
Speaker 3: That reminds me of whenever the Big Ten used to
Speaker 3: do and it's not media Days related, they used to
Speaker 3: have their divisions called the Leaders in the legends. There
Speaker 3: was no point to do that.
Speaker 2: Yeah, that was kind of pointless.
Speaker 3: Right, very corny.
Speaker 2: Are there any divisions left in the power conferences?
Speaker 3: It's a good question. I don't know.
Speaker 2: I think there is. I don't think there needs to be,
Speaker 2: especially when you consider, like you've got the Big Ten
Speaker 2: with what three schools, four schools that are completely on
Speaker 2: the other side of the country, like you'd have four
Speaker 2: in the West and then everybody else.
Speaker 3: I don't know. I guess you could do pods like
Speaker 3: the SEC. That's what they're doing, right, Yeah, I don't think.
Speaker 2: I don't think they're gonna call them anything. I don't
Speaker 2: think they're gonna have like, they're not gonna call them pods.
Speaker 2: But yes, like there'll be teams that like it's like scheduling, Yeah,
Speaker 2: scheduling partners essentially where you know each year you're playing
Speaker 2: like you're not in a division. But every year you're
Speaker 2: gonna get like this team and that team, and then
Speaker 2: it kind of it mixes up every you know, as
Speaker 2: far as the other games on your schedule. All right,
Speaker 2: a couple of things to get to before we get
Speaker 2: to our next break. You heard it there if you
Speaker 2: were listening in the sports update from from my Heart.
Speaker 2: The fines that came down, Vandy fined one hundred thousand
Speaker 2: dollars for storming the field. Arkansas find two hundred and
Speaker 2: fifty thousand because they were a repeat offender. And I mean,
Speaker 2: I can't tell if this is a silly thing to
Speaker 2: find these schools for or not. I've gone back and
Speaker 2: forth because like you never like you never want to
Speaker 2: risk it, and it is, I guess dangerous. There was
Speaker 2: a Tennessee player who shoved an Arkansas student down, and
Speaker 2: I kind of feel like that's fair game if you
Speaker 2: run out there. But then again, you could end up
Speaker 2: in a lawsuit, so like you got to do something.
Speaker 2: But you also clearly like Vandy did not. Vandy did
Speaker 2: not care at all in the moment about anybody rushing
Speaker 2: that field, you know what I mean. And one hundred
Speaker 2: thousand dollars to them is probably very minimal, to be
Speaker 2: honest with you, So you know, I guess you have
Speaker 2: it in place to you know, to protect yourself as
Speaker 2: a conference to where you at least let these schools know, hey,
Speaker 2: if something bad happens, we have a rule, and we
Speaker 2: punish you if you don't follow said rule. It's really
Speaker 2: just you know, covering your rear end. But it would
Speaker 2: have been such a buzzkill if Fandy didn't storm the field,
Speaker 2: you know what I mean, Like if they just walked
Speaker 2: off the field and went to the locker rooms and
Speaker 2: did the emotional postgame interview on TV like we saw.
Speaker 2: But there weren't like a good field storm and when
Speaker 2: it is absolutely justified as awesome, and I don't think
Speaker 2: you'll find a bigger opportunity where it was justified than
Speaker 2: what we saw on Saturday, Arkansas. I don't know if
Speaker 2: they did it last year, maybe they did it the year.
Speaker 2: I don't know how, you know, I don't know if
Speaker 2: you get like an every five years at resets as
Speaker 2: far as being a repeat offender. But yeah, if I
Speaker 2: was a Vandy fan, I would have been out there
Speaker 2: losing my mind. I would have woke up Sunday thinking, yeah,
Speaker 2: that didn't really happen, did it.
Speaker 3: I can't imagine being one of the Alabama fans that traveled,
Speaker 3: They're like, wow, this just happened to us. We outnumbered
Speaker 3: these dudes, and they're storming the field on us.
Speaker 2: Yeah, and look, there were a lot of upsets. It
Speaker 2: was a crazy day in college football. Had five top
Speaker 2: eleven teams lose, four of them to unranked teams. And
Speaker 2: let's not forget Miami probably should have lost. So it
Speaker 2: was a crazy day. But somebody asked this question on
Speaker 2: the text line, I'm gonna tell you no, I mean,
Speaker 2: I guess it all. It's all. It's all relative to
Speaker 2: how you see it individually. But all those other upsets
Speaker 2: happening don't take it. Doesn't It doesn't actually take any
Speaker 2: of the shock value away from Vandy Alabama, because that's
Speaker 2: just like you. I mean, if I had to guess
Speaker 2: if we'll ever see that again in my lifetime, I
Speaker 2: would I would If I had to guess one way
Speaker 2: or the other, I would say no, because one now
Speaker 2: you know you can lose to them, and like they
Speaker 2: played ten more times, I bet Bama wins and covers
Speaker 2: a big spread because they're just better Vandy got off
Speaker 2: to a good start, and that's what you can't do.
Speaker 2: And I'm not saying that like Vandy just got lucky.
Speaker 2: They clearly aren't as good as Bama, but they were
Speaker 2: in that moment, and that's all the matter, right, that's
Speaker 2: all the matters. But they took advantage of some mistakes
Speaker 2: that Bama made early. They got up. And when you
Speaker 2: let a team like that hang around. This goes for
Speaker 2: basketball and football. If you let an underdog hang around
Speaker 2: long enough, they forget that they're who they are. Sometimes
Speaker 2: they get real tight and it just you know, the
Speaker 2: moment's too big for him. But to be fair, Vandy
Speaker 2: didn't do. That's where I'm giving Vandy a lot of credit.
Speaker 2: But that's how upsets like that happen. Like in the
Speaker 2: en sibl A tournament, you see it, like if you let,
Speaker 2: like you let a team get to a point where
Speaker 2: they've outplayed you and they feel like they can win,
Speaker 2: they're either going to you know, I guess there's a
Speaker 2: lot of different ways that those scenarios could play out.
Speaker 2: Either they stick with it, they keep the momentum going,
Speaker 2: they keep making plays, and that's what Vandy did. Or
Speaker 2: you know, maybe you just you know, the team that's
Speaker 2: way better than you, that you're leading, they just woke
Speaker 2: up a little earlier than you would have wanted, and
Speaker 2: they had enough time to climb back in and get you.
Speaker 2: Or you get completely tight and you really like you
Speaker 2: just start imploding because you know what you're about to
Speaker 2: do is so improbable that they used to happen a
Speaker 2: lot when teams would go to rup and play, because
Speaker 2: there'd be a lot of teams in the cal Era
Speaker 2: that'd be out playing Kentucky and be leading for you know,
Speaker 2: eighty five percent of the game and then all of
Speaker 2: a sudden, like it just it, it gets away from them.
Speaker 2: And sometimes that's not necessarily just like you got nervous
Speaker 2: and you screwed up, it could just be, you know,
Speaker 2: the other team finally woke up. But at no point
Speaker 2: until one of those last first downs. It might have
Speaker 2: been I think it might have been the play it
Speaker 2: was the second to last first down before they were
Speaker 2: in position, like which I guess two plays before you realized, okay, no,
Speaker 2: they've got it. Like once it was over, you realized
Speaker 2: they had the clock on their side, they were gonna
Speaker 2: be able to kneel it and get out of there.
Speaker 2: There were two plays before that where I'm thinking to myself,
Speaker 2: there's no way that like nobody really felt like Bandy
Speaker 2: was gonna get it done, right. I mean, maybe you did,
Speaker 2: and if so, then you were right. But that's a shocker. Like,
Speaker 2: I don't that I'm sure this is recency biased on
Speaker 2: my end, but like, I think that's one of the
Speaker 2: biggest upsets in the history of college football as far
Speaker 2: as just like watching it play out, knowing the history
Speaker 2: of these programs in the last few decades, Like that's insane.
Speaker 3: Imagine if you were somebody who parlayed all of the major.
Speaker 2: Upsodes, Oh gosh, you'd probably retire, right, be a big payout,
Speaker 2: no doubt about it. All right, quick break will come
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Speaker 2: I haven't checked the updated rankings because you know the obvious,
Speaker 2: but Indiana's got to be ranked now, right, they were
Speaker 2: ranked last week they were where do you think they are?
Speaker 3: This week? They were twenty two? Or they were right
Speaker 3: behind Louisville at twenty three this past weekend? Were they
Speaker 3: they were?
Speaker 2: I didn't know that, and then I would guess now
Speaker 2: they're like, I don't know. Eighteen.
Speaker 3: So tied for eighteen with Kansas State and Oklahoma.
Speaker 2: They became the first team to become Bowl eligible because
Speaker 2: they got six wins in their game was played relatively early.
Speaker 2: But does anybody else have six wins?
Speaker 3: Miami does?
Speaker 2: Okay, Miami, So Kurt Signetti already gets another year on
Speaker 2: his contract because he's already Bowl eligible, something that like
Speaker 2: clearly Indiana has expectations now this year and they're thinking
Speaker 2: big picture that they could have. Really, I mean, they
Speaker 2: already have shown they've made a good hire here, but
Speaker 2: let's also not minimize like what has already been accomplished
Speaker 2: is something that was very hard for a lot of
Speaker 2: people to do it Indiana consistently, you know what I mean? Like, yeah,
Speaker 2: I know, you know you're not satisfied, and you shouldn't
Speaker 2: be as a fan. And I'm not just talking to
Speaker 2: John he's an Indiana fan, but like Indiana fans, like
Speaker 2: clearly they're not thinking, oh good, we're Bowl eligible.
Speaker 3: They're just they're.
Speaker 2: Riding this special, unexpected season that's just been absolutely awesome
Speaker 2: for him. But do you know how hard it is
Speaker 2: for Indiana football coaches in the past to get to
Speaker 2: six wins?
Speaker 3: I mean, and he does it without even taking a loss.
Speaker 3: I mean, people keep mentioning this is the best art
Speaker 3: to a season since nineteen sixty seven. And yeah, it
Speaker 3: is a favorable schedule, like it's brought up a lot
Speaker 3: of times as well, but there's been.
Speaker 2: Other favorable schedules that you know, you just don't take advantage. Yeah,
Speaker 2: I mean Tom Allen he won six games at Indiana
Speaker 2: or more twice.
Speaker 3: He had eight and four in nineteen and then the
Speaker 3: six and two COVID years.
Speaker 2: Yeah. So I mean Kevin Wilson, you know, he never
Speaker 2: six and six seasons, I believe, Yeah, he never won
Speaker 2: more than six. No, and in six games. Signetti has
Speaker 2: has done that. I mean, I forgot Bill Lynch he
Speaker 2: won six or more one time. I mean, this actually
Speaker 2: puts it in perspective. Just you know, Indiana is just
Speaker 2: not used to having much success. And I mean we
Speaker 2: all know that. But the reason I wanted to reference
Speaker 2: it is because six and zero is insane for Indiana.
Speaker 2: I mean, it really is. And yeah, you're right are
Speaker 2: mentioning the schedule, but I'm not hearing that a whole lot.
Speaker 2: I mean, the noise about the schedule, the noise about
Speaker 2: the schedule is not is not over you know, overdoing
Speaker 2: any other conversation about Indiana football, which is that, Wow,
Speaker 2: this guy's off to a great start. Hell yeah, Indiana
Speaker 2: might have found themselves a damn good football coach. Like,
Speaker 2: you know, it's easily one of not the biggest storyline,
Speaker 2: and it's not one of the biggest storylines in college football.
Speaker 2: But like when you look at six weeks in for
Speaker 2: the whole sport, like Indiana being a good team is
Speaker 2: certainly one of the talking points.
Speaker 3: Yeah, and now they're going into their bye week. They'll
Speaker 3: have Nebraska in two weeks hosting them for homecoming, and
Speaker 3: the back half of the schedule does look a little
Speaker 3: more daunting than the first half. Of course, after that,
Speaker 3: you have Washington New's coming off that win against Michigan.
Speaker 3: You go on the road at Michigan State and they're
Speaker 3: a decent team, and then you have the two weeks
Speaker 3: in a row, or not even two weeks in a row.
Speaker 3: You have Michigan at home, and then you have another
Speaker 3: bye week Ohio State on the road, and then you
Speaker 3: finish up with Purdue at home. I mean, you could
Speaker 3: reasonably expect Indiana to at worst finish with eight or
Speaker 3: nine wins.
Speaker 2: Yeah, I would say, like you, you certainly should beat
Speaker 2: Michigan State. I think Nebraska is going to be easily
Speaker 2: the toughest game you've had up to this point. Washington,
Speaker 2: you know, you got them at home, and they're winning
Speaker 2: against Michigan does make them look a little bit more challenging.
Speaker 2: And then Michigan, you know, I think.
Speaker 3: They're home game. That's very gettable.
Speaker 2: I guess what really, and there's no way to know this,
Speaker 2: but like we know UCLA sucks really bad.
Speaker 3: Right, Yes, and you can almost argue that everybody Indian
Speaker 3: has played in the conference or the worst teams in
Speaker 3: the Okay.
Speaker 2: That's that's what I was going to ask you. So
Speaker 2: like if Maryland and Northwestern are truly the bottom of
Speaker 2: the league, maybe alongside Purdue. Yeah, you know you can't
Speaker 2: control that, but that would you know, honestly, it.
Speaker 3: Will be telling when they that Nebraska games.
Speaker 2: That Nebraska game should be a big time game for
Speaker 2: you guys as far as really seeing where you stand
Speaker 2: and there's not a line out there.
Speaker 3: Thrust all three and a half in favor of Oh wow.
Speaker 2: Okay, I mean I can't say I'm shocked.
Speaker 3: Me neither. I think that's round the money too.
Speaker 2: Good stuff are We got another hour to go. We'll
Speaker 2: get back to your phone calls, reset some things here
Speaker 2: in the five o'clock hour. Try to finish strong. I
Speaker 2: mean it when I say it. It has helped me to
Speaker 2: kind of talk through it. I've been just just bitter
Speaker 2: about Louisville football since Saturday. I think everybody everybody has,
Speaker 2: but be one thing if you just you know, losing
Speaker 2: is never fun. But for this team to just be
Speaker 2: where they are and have these types of issues, it's
Speaker 2: just really disappointing. But hey, they got time to get
Speaker 2: it turned around. Don't go anywhere. It's coffee and company
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