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Speaker 1: Well off of a weekend that is seeing Bachram Martaza

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Laev defend his IBF Junior Middleway championship with a devastating

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knockout of Tim Zus. Surprise surprise, and I was there.

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We're ready to talk about that. We're ready to talk

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about Adam Azeem winning the Boxer Promotion's main event in England,

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and much more. It is the Fight Freaks Unit Recap podcast.

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Also Regis pro Gray will be on this podcast coming

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up in advance of his battle with Jack Catterall later

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this week. Wants to get to I cannot do this alone.

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He is my colleague, my compatriot. Tries to keep me

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in line. I try to keep him in line. More

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on that in a moment. Hello, Dan Raypiel. Fight Freaking

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Unit is a substack and the newsletter you need to

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be subscribing. How are you off the weekend and the recap?

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Speaker 2: Well, I'm doing good this weekend because New York Yankees

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are going thro the World Series. I don't give a

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fuck about anything else.

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Speaker 1: It doesn't matter about the fights. Although you don't want

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to talk about the Giants ephthetic performance against the Eagles,

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but the Yankees are in the World series. Oh wow,

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So you're happy about that real And again thank you

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Speaker 3: All right, So wow.

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Speaker 1: When you and I left the bet Us boxing show,

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we were both fairly confident Friday afternoon that Tim Zuo

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was going to win this. He was a six and

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a half for seven to one favorite most places to win,

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And a funny thing happened on the way to him

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regaining a portion of the one hundred and fifty four

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pound crown. It's called a left and a right, and

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a left and a right from Bachrum And this is

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about twenty four hours ago now that we're talking.

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Speaker 3: I was in the building.

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Speaker 1: I was in the carib Royal ballroom in the Casino resort,

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and it was amazing to watch how he got blown

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away and welcome to boxing, right, welcome to how a

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big punch and a big puncher can change it all.

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Speaker 2: Dan there, it was well, it was more like a

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basketball game as much as he was bouncing him off

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the canvas four times in less than three full rounds.

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You know, when, as you mentioned when we spoke about

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it on Friday, Yeah, of course we were picking timzuy

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to win the fight. But and I think I might

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have said this on the show, I'm not totally shocked

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that Bakrram was the winner of the fight, not at all.

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I'm just shocked that he did it the way he

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did it, that he just absolutely annihilated to He didn't

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just win, he just blew him away. He destroyed him.

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He pummeled him. He knocked him down four times with

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a bunch of clean shots. And I never viewed Bachrum

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as this murderous puncher. Now, I know he has a

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good record in terms of his win you know, he's

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undefeated obviously, and he went into the fight and then

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he comes out of the fight with another knockout on

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that record, but he's now twenty three and oh with

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seventeen knockouts, not a bad puncher, but you know, I've

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seen him fight several times, probably more than the average person.

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I'm not sure what that says about me, but it's

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just a reality. And you know, he's a good puncher.

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He's tall, he's got a long reach. Tim Zoo actually

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even mentioned in the podcast interviewed that we had with

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him that was on the previous show or two shows

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back whenever.

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Speaker 4: It was.

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Speaker 2: Refreshing his memory when he saw Bachram. Remember when Tim

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came to the United States and fought in on Showtime

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against Arrell Geschet in his first main event here in

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the United States on that undercard, while Bachram was involved

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in the step aside deals he'd been doing with Jamel Charlow.

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He was on that card and I asked him about

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if he remembered him from that time, if he met

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him and talked to him whatever, And the thing that

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Tim said to me was he remembered how tall he

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was and how skinny he was, that he was surprised

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he could make the one hundred and fifty four pound weight.

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So he was well aware of this fighter beforehand. And

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he's a dangerous guy. I'd seen him fight a few times,

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but again, not surprised he was the winner, But what

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surprises me was the way he just dusted the guy.

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Speaker 1: Well, let me take you inside of that ballroom when

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he scored that first knockdown with the left and again

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my vantage point was about twenty rows back in the

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corner was the press row behind Bachraum's corner, but I

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had a great view of that left hook and when

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he connected the arena gasp. And it's fascinating because the

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main event people, the Australian pay per view I guess

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it was pay per view that were showing it their set,

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their studio show was but right beside us, all of

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their personnel.

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Speaker 3: Gasp. When that happened, it was a gasp and some cheering.

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Speaker 1: Again, you got a Russian fighting in Australia in Orlando,

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so truth be told, there were a couple of the

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undercard fighters that had more crowd, more involvement, more cheering.

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Speaker 3: So it was a gasp.

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Speaker 1: And then he got back up and was on rubbery

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legs and got knocked down again. And now suddenly the

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crowd is roaring, and I honestly thought in the arena,

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he's not gonna make it out of the second round

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because I could see the clock on the main event

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monitor right by me, and it's had over a minute left.

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Did you think watching it on the tube on the

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Amazon Prime that Zoo was going to get out of

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the second round at that point.

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Speaker 2: No, I thought he was done for. I mean, he

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had a decent get a decent portion of the first

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round where he landed a couple of nice shots, and

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even when he was in a bad shape in round two,

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he still landed some shots. And even in round three

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he landed some shots. But when he went down for

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the second time in the second round, I was like,

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this fight's gonna be over. To me, it was just

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a matter of is he gonna get him in this

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round or is are going to be in the next

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round or two, Because it was very clear to me

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not only did Tim not he was not able to

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gauge the speed or the distance of the punch that

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were coming because he was just getting hit clean. You know,

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it's one thing that you get dropped. Some certain guys

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are real heavy handed, and even if you had just

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like Triple G for example, or Covid ed in his prime,

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they would touch you. Even with a half fast shot.

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You might get knocked down. He was not doing those

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types of knockdowns with Tim Zuo. He was letting clean

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flush right on the right on the button type shots. Yeah,

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and they would have probably knocked down just about any

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junior middleweight. So if you're getting knocked down like that repeatedly,

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you can't adjust and get out of the way, you know,

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you got really no prayer. And then after the second knockdown,

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you know, his legs were just all over the place.

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I mean, he was like doing the Gumby dance. He

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reminded me of, you know, coincidentally, when his father made

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zab Judah's legs turn to jelly like that, and the

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wild thing about it was, and they made a big

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thing about this on the broadcast. The only time that Costazu,

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who is of course him's father, the Hall of Famer,

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Hall of Famer, former undisputed welterweight champion. The only time

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he had ever seen his son fight live was in

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his professional debut in twenty sixteen. Until going to Florida

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and being there for this fight, and then to be

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there and witness your son get absolutely pulverized, that's got

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to be just a rude of awakening. And it was

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just just a matter of time because he just could

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not take the shots. And it was very clear that

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even when when Tim Zoo was able to land back

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a solid punch, and Tim's a pretty good puncher, but

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Tazelaya have just never really seemed to be too you know,

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he might know as head might got snapped back of it,

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but he never really seemed to be any kind of

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real danger or heard or anything like that.

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Speaker 1: So clearly there were a couple of interesting things, and

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I love leaning on you as a resource. So the referee,

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who's a competent Florida referee, he had refereed several world

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title fights in the past, he called the doctor in

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the ring to do a concussion test. That's exactly what

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that was on Zoo with the light and checking the

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eyes moving and the whole thing, because I guess he

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was concerned enough that if the doctor says he's concussed,

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I'm going to stop the fight there after the round.

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So the doctor kind of nodded at him and went on,

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I don't know what they were saying on the TV

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broadcast that that was a highly unusual thing to me

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to have the doctor in there doing the concussion test

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with the light I don't recall that, but go ahead,

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I don't.

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Speaker 2: I didn't find that to be an anomaly. I've seen

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that plenty of times. The new thing it used to be,

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and this would happen a lot of times, is the

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doctor would go to the corner between rounds and do

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an assessment. And as a matter of fact, in California,

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if they went to the corner, they would stop the clock.

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might actually be more than a minute if the doctor

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was in there. It seems to me that when they

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do it now, they let the corner do their work.

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really want to do the true assessment, they'd let the

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bell ring for the next round. The guy stands up,

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they call a time out, they send the other fight

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to the neutral corner, and they examine the fighter they

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want to take a look at. So that was not

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a surprise to me. It was only the second round,

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or you know, going into the third round. So yeah,

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he'd been knocked down you three times at that point,

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but it's still early in the fight. He still clearly

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wanted to fight, still was able to listen to the

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instructions still had I think many of his faculties, let's say,

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and you know.

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Speaker 1: Get he said after the fight, I was not standing

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there left, But he said after the fight, when he

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was asked about what happened in the second round, he said,

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I can't remember.

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Speaker 3: I don't know. So clearly he was.

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Speaker 1: Concussed after the second round. But he did have his

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legs under him to an extent to land some punches.

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caught him coming in.

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Speaker 3: Caught him roller.

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Speaker 1: He was on roller skates after that. In the corner

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through the twel in just a while there was to

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be there.

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Speaker 2: There was a shot in the in in one of

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those onslaughts where where Matiza Lyve have landed a punch

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that literally lifted Tim Zuo's leg off the canvas like

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he picked it up. It was plain as day. I mean,

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and that that is obviously a combination of the man's

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power plus uh you know, the I guess the heart

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because he wasn't able to actually stay up on that

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shot where where he didn't get that was one of

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the shots that he got hit cleaned with that he

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didn't go down on the canvas. I mean, it was

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just a nightmarish thing. I mean, forget about all the action.

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The end result is you're down four times in less

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than three rounds. Uh, you're the heavy favorite. Your father

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is watching it for the first time in many years

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in a live fight. I mean, he was embarrassed in

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that fight. I mean, and I have nothing but respect

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for tim Zu, for his his heart, the way he

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fought through the cut with Fondora, for his uh, you know,

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his desire to fight the best guys. I mean, remember

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he took a fight with Virgil Ortiz. Obviously that got

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canceled cause the cut wasn't healed. Then he took this

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fight that even if you think this was like, you know,

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a fight he was gonna win. I don't think anybody

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that had any concept of Bakram thought it was an

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easy fight. I said, I said, I don't think there's

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an easy fight. I picked him to win by a decision.

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I thought he'd be able to outbox a guy, but

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he dragged him into the quick war, and you know

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he was on the wrong end of those wing shots.

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It's a great victory for Mertaza life.

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Speaker 3: Who I know.

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Speaker 2: We spent a lot of time talking on about the

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tim Zuo angle because he's a big famous name in

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this fight, but this day career making type of victory

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for Martaze alive.

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Speaker 1: Now I have done a poor job as the host,

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and you always liked to smile and smirk at me.

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Speaker 3: I should have mentioned that.

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Speaker 1: When this was over, I talked with the former light

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heavyweight champ, the Antonio Tarbor for a few moments. I

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also talked with Sean Porter, who was on the Australian

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call of the bout for main events, and you're gonna

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hear them in a couple of moments and their comments.

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But I asked them that very same question here about

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what kind of a player does this make Bachram now

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at one fifty four after seeing this, so I want

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your take first before he's a.

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Speaker 2: Lectric on that point, what do you think, Well, he

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was a player even before that, because he has a

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belt number one. Now he's got a tremendous victory on

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that record. And here's the thing also, I know now

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Timszuo officially has two losses in a row, but I

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think most people, and it's not a disrespect to Sebastian Pandora,

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they looked at the loss that he took in a

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split decision where blood poured down his entire face and

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body for the better part of ten plus rounds, and

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chalk it up to like, you know, that was the

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cut and it really was not what he's all about.

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So it was a close fight. Maybe he could have

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won the fight even with the blood. This is a

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totally different situation. This is you got your absolute ass

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handed to you. You know, you up mode down, you

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got run over, uh you know, and there you weren't competitive,

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you were not really competitive, but for part of the

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first round, it was just a complete and utter destruction.

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It's a completely different manner than what occurred in the

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fight against Sebastian Mondora. But in terms of backroom or

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tazalay of becoming a player in this weight class, anytime

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you have an undefeated record and you have a good

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amateur background and you have a you know, a a

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title belt, you're gonna be a player in a division,

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especially one fifty four right now, which is a pretty

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hot division, which is home to uh, you know, Karence

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Crawford recently moved up to that weight class. That's got

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other uh you know, good fighters in there, some guys

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with names if they're a little older, like a Laura.

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You know, Adamis is not the most vergel Ortiz another one.

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They have the two guys that lost to Ortiz and

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to Crawford who are still top notch in the weight class,

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a Boa Chuck and uh Uh and Nagamuv. We're going

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to fight each other coming up at the end of

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this year, So you know, there's there's a lot of

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good action in that division. Then you know, if if

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Aerol Spence comes back, that's where he seems to be

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wanting to go. Obviously, Sebastian Mondora still has a couple

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of the titles, So I mean there's there's definitely a

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lot of action in this division. And then listen to

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Tim Zoo. He may have suffered at a very rugged

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and difficult and brutal one side of loss, but because

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of his name and his reputation and the kind of

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record he does have, it's not like, at least from

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my advantage points, like you're going to say his career

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is over.

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Speaker 1: I got you on that, all right, because I was

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there on location. Let's do this, so first of all,

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you're going to be proud of me, Rayfield, I did.

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Speaker 3: A veteran move.

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Speaker 1: I waited for all that they did the media. It's

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interesting they didn't do a formal press conference room with

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a dais and microphones. They did a scrum, as we

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like to call it, in front of the PBC banner.

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I couldn't get anywhere near Bachram at the point in

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which they're doing the scrum. But once it was all over,

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and once he was standing there and they were getting

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ready to walk out, I said hey to the to

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the translator that was with me, I said, does he

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mind if I asked him a couple of things of

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American media?

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Speaker 3: I dropped. I know, I said, I have to put

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up with Dan Rayfield all the time. No I didn't.

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Speaker 1: I said, do you mind if I walk and talk

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with you? And they said, no, don't mind, You're gonna

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so did a walking talk. I did a walk and

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talk with Bakram. You're gonna hear that through the interpreter

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here in a second. And then right after that you're

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gonna hear me with Antonio Tarvor, who was there Tarbor

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time and Sean Porter, who was again on the Australian

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call lives there. Yeah, Tarboro Tarbor, Tampa. But he also

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is originally from Orlando, and he you know, I four

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back and forth.

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Speaker 3: By the way, I haven't mentioned this as of yet,

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that was.

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Speaker 1: Four hours plus of combat driving two getting there Tampa,

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going east Orlando, two getting back late night for less.

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Speaker 3: Than three rounds of the main event. But that's okay.

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I'm I'm fine with that.

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Speaker 1: There was definitely more hours on the road than it

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was rounds in the main event. But anyway, Yes, they

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were first world problems. And you're texting me about the

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Yankees winning the World Series, and I'm like, big, Dan,

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I still got like an hour on the road here.

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Speaker 2: I didn't text on winning the world I mean going to.

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Speaker 3: The World Series. I'm like, I still got an hour

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on the road here.

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Speaker 1: But anyway, so you're gonna hear from Bakram, You're gonna

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hear from Tarbor, You're gonna hear from Sean Porter. All

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of these are quick. They are about five total minutes.

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Here in the aftermath of this, and in particular, pay

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attention to Tarvor and Porter's answers about what happened to

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Zoo and whether maybe we overvalued or overrated Zoo. I

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asked Sean Porter that here all that right now, when

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you knocked him down, did you know you had him

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or were you still concerned that he might CounterPunch you?

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Speaker 4: Google?

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Speaker 3: Because down he didn't think about anything.

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Speaker 1: He just thought about to listen of the coaches to

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the corners directions.

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Speaker 2: And there was just a knockdown.

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Speaker 3: Nothing was over.

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Speaker 2: That was just a knockdown.

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Speaker 1: When you got your hand raised, here, what's going through

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your mind to pull off this upset and get this wins?

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Speaker 3: First thing he was happy about.

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Speaker 1: He thanked God and thank God and and and the

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God give him this victory and these opportunities to be

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in this position.

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Speaker 3: Fun one.

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Speaker 1: I'm gonna have you wave a magic wand you can

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fight anybody you want.

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Speaker 3: Who do you want to fight?

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Speaker 5: Yes? Uh Crawford E Spence, Crawford, Crawford.

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Speaker 3: Whoever has the belts. It doesn't matter pretty much people

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with belts.

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Speaker 1: Congratulations, great night, Thank you all right, showtime you were

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on the call for Australian TV.

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Speaker 3: Wow, what what can we say? Shocker?

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Speaker 6: You know, just not not what the Zoo corner expected.

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I personally believe that Merchisalie came out a little different

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than what they thought he would and Uh and Zoo

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ended up walking into some things loose defense. This this

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evening uh bad slow snow speed on his punches, never

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got started, never got the engine going. And you know

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for Merchizalie, that's that's that was a pitch of perfect

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night for him. You know, you don't allow your opponent

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to get going and you know two rounds you you

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go home with a nice check.

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Speaker 1: Is it unfair to maybe say that we overvalued Zoo.

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I know he had the nasty gash against Fuondorra, so

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maybe you write that off. But the way that he

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got wiped out tonight, did we maybe overvalue him winning

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a bunch of fights in Australia.

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Speaker 2: I don't believe so.

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Speaker 6: I believe that it's any given Sunday here, you know,

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I think that this was just a situation where he

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wasn't quite ready.

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Speaker 4: For what was coming at him and ended up going

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away that it win.

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Speaker 1: And one more for Bachram. This makes him a player

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at one four? How big a player?

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Speaker 3: What do you think?

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Speaker 6: He is a serious force at one fifty four and

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the world better watch out at one fifty four. I'm

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talking to every any and every fighter at one fifty four.

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Maybe with the exception of Terrence Crawford.

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Speaker 1: You know, I have a tough enough task trying to

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make sure Rayfield behaves. The next time you're around, you're

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in charge of making sure Dan behaves. All right, thank you, Sean.

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Speaker 4: Yes that you got it.

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Speaker 3: Tarbor time.

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Speaker 1: How and why did Bakroom make such easy work of

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Tim Zoo.

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Speaker 7: Well, here's a guy coming in undefeated twenty and oh

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seventeen knockouts. You know, sometime the one thing is harder

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to go than that, Oh is that belt.

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Speaker 3: Here's a world champion. I just think when you look

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at fun Durham fight.

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Speaker 7: Tim Zu may have needed a tune up fight just

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to get the cobwebs out right, you feel me? In

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this game, in the day's game, there's no such thing

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as tune up fight.

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Speaker 3: They either going for it all. It's all or.

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Speaker 7: Nothing, it seems, and I think these guys just need

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to pull back a little bit. I think it would

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have been a good ten round fight for mid range

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type of guy to get some rounds and get some

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work then bringing back for all the marbles.

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Speaker 1: When he got caught with that left hook, the look

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on his face was I'm in trouble. And I guess

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you know at times you've been in the ring. That's

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where adversity reveals what you have.

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Speaker 3: He just didn't have it tonight, Tim Zoo.

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Speaker 7: Well, you know, he felt as if if he can

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land his shot, he could turn it around. But there

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was times where he almost cleared his head and then

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he went offensively a little bit too soon, and he

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was still reckless and he got clipped. I would have

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wanted him to just focus on defense. Let this guy

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spin himself a little bit, and then you come on

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with your offense.

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Speaker 3: And what about Bakrum.

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Speaker 1: I mean, he now becomes a player at one fifty four,

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Whether he fights Fondora, whether he maybe gets in front

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of Terrence Crawford at some point, give him, give him

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some credit tonight, right.

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Speaker 7: Most definitely it's the way he won, the way he

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shut Tim Zoo out and got him out of there.

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That was very impressive. And I'm pretty sure now the

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big players in the game are looking at that I

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be a belt because they may think he's the weakest link.

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But we that Hey, that is still to be revealed.

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Speaker 3: Asked Tim Zoo about that.

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Speaker 1: Good lord, right, hey, it's always a great day to

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be Tarbor, right.

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Speaker 7: Oh yeah, oh yeah, Tarvar's take on you too, the

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most informative take in boxing.

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Speaker 3: Just remember when you heard it first.

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Speaker 4: Thank you.

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Speaker 1: So you heard Sean Porter's answer that he disagrees that

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we did not overvalue or overrate Zoo on winning a

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bunch of fights in Australia. I'm not taking a cheap

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shot here. I'm just raising the question, what do you

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say to that, do you believe maybe we had too

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high of an opinion of him with the fights that

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he had in Australia against the competition, and then come

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to the United States he's now.

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Speaker 2: No, no, no, I don't. I think that's complete nonsense, because

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who gives a shit If they were in Australia, they

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got competent fighters in Australia, they got good a good

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boxing community, and a good scene in Australia. It's it's

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got a great history of boxing olk. So he fired

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at home. I mean every fighter fights at home, big deal.

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And the guys that he fight in Ustralia, a lot

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of them were good quality guys and Americans that went

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to Australia to fight him, quality contender types that Tony Harrison,

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a former world champ, Brian Mendoz a tough as nails,

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and then He also had fights in the United States

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against Gashet, against against Fandora. Obviously we already discussed. We

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know how that situation went, and he comes back here.

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For for Martazalaiev, I got no problem with that. I

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do not think we overvalued him. You know, I don't

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00:21:10,960 --> 00:21:12,880
think everybody just because a guy loses in the manner

479
00:21:12,920 --> 00:21:14,559
he lost that, We're not going to lose our minds

480
00:21:14,559 --> 00:21:16,640
and go everybody hair on fire. A part of it

481
00:21:16,759 --> 00:21:20,279
was maybe maybe he was a little bit thought of

482
00:21:20,279 --> 00:21:22,440
as too high. Some people were saying he's number one

483
00:21:22,440 --> 00:21:24,240
on the way class. I didn't necessarily agree with that,

484
00:21:24,440 --> 00:21:26,920
but I also think that a lot of people undervalued

485
00:21:26,960 --> 00:21:29,519
Martazeliv just because they never heard of him. Now and again,

486
00:21:29,559 --> 00:21:31,680
I'll say this again, I've seen him fight several times

487
00:21:31,799 --> 00:21:34,839
as matter of fact, on my cable system because they

488
00:21:34,880 --> 00:21:37,079
do this, there's that syndicated Fight Sports where they put

489
00:21:37,119 --> 00:21:39,680
on old shows on a regular basis, and they they

490
00:21:39,720 --> 00:21:42,400
geared towards the current calendar. So if he went back

491
00:21:42,400 --> 00:21:45,640
two weeks ago, they were showing old fights of early

492
00:21:45,799 --> 00:21:49,400
fights from better Bv's career. Well, what was on just

493
00:21:49,440 --> 00:21:52,480
a few days ago was when Martazalaiev was in Germany

494
00:21:52,759 --> 00:21:55,640
and he defeated Jack Colke where the vacant belt that

495
00:21:55,640 --> 00:21:57,680
he defended against Tim Zu. And I saw that fight

496
00:21:57,720 --> 00:22:00,000
back in the time when I found it on YouTube.

497
00:22:00,240 --> 00:22:03,079
But you know, do your homework before you make up

498
00:22:03,079 --> 00:22:05,319
your right just because a guy's a big favorite, Like

499
00:22:05,400 --> 00:22:07,839
I thought Tim Zoo was a favorite because that's what

500
00:22:07,920 --> 00:22:10,799
I thought, not because I was not familiar with Martazalev.

501
00:22:11,000 --> 00:22:12,559
I had seen him before several times.

502
00:22:12,839 --> 00:22:15,680
Speaker 1: And Tarbor suggested that Zoom maybe should have fought a

503
00:22:15,720 --> 00:22:17,960
tune up fight. We'll never know if that would have

504
00:22:18,000 --> 00:22:20,200
made a difference or not. Everybody's got a different opinion

505
00:22:20,240 --> 00:22:21,200
here on this.

506
00:22:21,880 --> 00:22:22,000
Speaker 4: Uh.

507
00:22:22,079 --> 00:22:24,559
Speaker 2: I mean, I've heard that. I can respect that opinion,

508
00:22:24,599 --> 00:22:27,319
but you know, you can't have it both ways. We

509
00:22:27,359 --> 00:22:29,960
as fans, it's like, oh, the guys fight a shitty

510
00:22:29,960 --> 00:22:31,920
tune up fight. The guys fighting nobody, they just fight

511
00:22:31,960 --> 00:22:34,000
a real guy, And now he fights a real guy

512
00:22:34,079 --> 00:22:36,440
in a big time title fight, and now there are

513
00:22:36,440 --> 00:22:38,279
people second guessing, oh, you should have taken a tune

514
00:22:38,319 --> 00:22:40,079
up fight. Well, you can't fucking have it both ways.

515
00:22:40,160 --> 00:22:42,359
And Tim Zu, to his credit, was like, I don't

516
00:22:42,359 --> 00:22:44,359
want tune up fights. I want real fights. He's a

517
00:22:44,359 --> 00:22:47,319
real fighter and that's what motivates him. He's not motivated

518
00:22:47,319 --> 00:22:50,000
by fighting just a regular guy. The money was in

519
00:22:50,039 --> 00:22:52,519
this fight, that's what the broadcast was for Australian pay

520
00:22:52,559 --> 00:22:55,079
per view, you know, PBC was doing a non pay

521
00:22:55,119 --> 00:22:58,359
per view fight, but their first one on Prime, you know.

522
00:22:58,440 --> 00:23:03,599
And so I don't I don't accept the should have

523
00:23:04,039 --> 00:23:06,039
you know, you make your decisions, you live with it.

524
00:23:06,079 --> 00:23:07,799
And there was a lot of reasons that he did

525
00:23:07,839 --> 00:23:09,519
do this fight, and if and if he had blown

526
00:23:09,559 --> 00:23:11,519
him away or won a clear decision or something like that,

527
00:23:11,839 --> 00:23:13,079
no one would have said do about it.

528
00:23:14,559 --> 00:23:14,680
Speaker 4: Now.

529
00:23:14,720 --> 00:23:16,319
Speaker 1: Wait now, the only thing I'm gonna slide back on

530
00:23:16,400 --> 00:23:18,720
to the point is he not only didn't blow him away,

531
00:23:18,759 --> 00:23:19,559
he didn't even win and.

532
00:23:19,480 --> 00:23:20,359
Speaker 3: He got destroyed.

533
00:23:20,640 --> 00:23:21,839
Speaker 2: So it happened.

534
00:23:21,880 --> 00:23:25,000
Speaker 1: Though it does happen. But I think there is not

535
00:23:25,119 --> 00:23:27,480
a compelling argument. But there's definitely an argument that he

536
00:23:27,519 --> 00:23:30,279
maybe should have taken another fight. But we'll never know.

537
00:23:30,319 --> 00:23:31,720
We'll never know if it would have made a difference.

538
00:23:31,720 --> 00:23:34,920
And to your point, whether they fought in Australia or Orlando,

539
00:23:35,119 --> 00:23:37,440
or Las Vegas or on Pluto, I'm not so sure

540
00:23:37,440 --> 00:23:39,559
the same thing wouldn't have happened in the same circumstance

541
00:23:39,599 --> 00:23:42,160
here Backram caught him, and once he caught him, that

542
00:23:42,240 --> 00:23:44,119
look on Zoo's face when he was on the ground

543
00:23:44,119 --> 00:23:47,400
after the first knockdown was a vacant look and it

544
00:23:47,480 --> 00:23:48,400
ultimately was a knockout.

545
00:23:48,440 --> 00:23:48,720
Speaker 3: There you go.

546
00:23:48,839 --> 00:23:51,759
Speaker 2: It is professional boxing. Anything can happen when you have.

547
00:23:54,559 --> 00:23:55,559
Speaker 3: And what's why we love it.

548
00:23:55,799 --> 00:23:58,680
Speaker 1: We're not guaranteed nine innings to your Yankees in baseball,

549
00:23:58,759 --> 00:24:00,480
or the Mets and Dodgers who are playing Sun night,

550
00:24:00,519 --> 00:24:02,799
or it's not four quarters of football or basketball. You're

551
00:24:02,839 --> 00:24:06,160
not guaranteed anything beyond around, not.

552
00:24:06,119 --> 00:24:08,799
Speaker 2: Even guaranteed one around. When the bell rings, the fight

553
00:24:08,839 --> 00:24:10,599
can end at any moment. And the thing I love

554
00:24:10,640 --> 00:24:13,440
about boxing in part and the same goes I guess

555
00:24:13,480 --> 00:24:16,440
for any other like coat sport, the only sports where

556
00:24:16,480 --> 00:24:19,359
you can lose every single second of your competition and

557
00:24:19,480 --> 00:24:22,079
still win with one shot. And I've said this before.

558
00:24:22,119 --> 00:24:25,039
You cannot hit a five run home run in baseball.

559
00:24:25,119 --> 00:24:27,599
You cannot hit you know, a five pointer or you know,

560
00:24:27,599 --> 00:24:28,480
you get a four point.

561
00:24:28,400 --> 00:24:30,759
Speaker 1: Twenty eight point touchdown, doesn't happen.

562
00:24:30,920 --> 00:24:32,599
Speaker 2: You just can't do that. But in boxing, and we've

563
00:24:32,640 --> 00:24:34,759
seen it, I've seen fights where guys are losing pretty

564
00:24:34,839 --> 00:24:37,200
much every round and they've scored a miracle victories and

565
00:24:37,240 --> 00:24:39,559
that's a part of the drama and the spectacle of

566
00:24:39,599 --> 00:24:41,880
the great sport that boxing is. So I'm not going

567
00:24:41,960 --> 00:24:44,359
to second guess the Tim zuo a decision to take

568
00:24:44,400 --> 00:24:47,759
this fight. Everybody thought he was gonna win handily against

569
00:24:48,240 --> 00:24:51,359
a competent quality opponent, get another world title, And I'm

570
00:24:51,400 --> 00:24:53,079
not sure what else you should have done. There wasn't

571
00:24:53,079 --> 00:24:55,079
going to be that kind of money or attention if

572
00:24:55,119 --> 00:24:57,240
he's fighting nobody. You know, when he lost the fight

573
00:24:57,279 --> 00:24:59,400
to Fandora. Other than the cut, which was a pretty

574
00:24:59,400 --> 00:25:01,440
bad cut, but he didn't get beat up in that fight.

575
00:25:01,519 --> 00:25:04,519
It wasn't like he was you know, massively damage or

576
00:25:04,759 --> 00:25:07,599
knocked down or you know, battered. I mean, the cut

577
00:25:07,599 --> 00:25:11,279
looked obviously horrible, and it was, but that's a superficial

578
00:25:11,759 --> 00:25:14,440
kind of injury. It's not like, uh, you know, he

579
00:25:14,480 --> 00:25:16,880
had a broken leg or you know, a broken shoulder,

580
00:25:17,000 --> 00:25:19,480
a broken jaw, broken jaw or something. I mean, as

581
00:25:19,519 --> 00:25:21,119
matter of fact, it was Fundora the one that had

582
00:25:21,119 --> 00:25:23,839
the broken nose early in the fight. So, uh, a

583
00:25:23,839 --> 00:25:25,039
lot of Monday morning quarterback.

584
00:25:25,200 --> 00:25:27,920
Speaker 1: We'll see, we'll see if and when and where Zoo

585
00:25:27,960 --> 00:25:29,799
comes back and how he looks, because again he's got

586
00:25:29,839 --> 00:25:31,119
to answer some questions after that.

587
00:25:31,720 --> 00:25:32,599
Speaker 3: But that's why I say this.

588
00:25:33,200 --> 00:25:36,160
Speaker 2: I'm I'm quite confident that when he does come back

589
00:25:36,319 --> 00:25:38,319
that the next fight probably will be in Australia.

590
00:25:39,200 --> 00:25:41,279
Speaker 1: That's a safe thing. And let's see, let's see what

591
00:25:41,359 --> 00:25:43,799
he looks like. All right, let's go through the undercard here.

592
00:25:43,880 --> 00:25:47,440
I want to get to the atam A zeem Ko victory,

593
00:25:47,720 --> 00:25:51,240
which I've seen the highlights of. I have to confess

594
00:25:51,240 --> 00:25:53,680
you're going to make me talk about Skull and Chishkin.

595
00:25:53,799 --> 00:25:54,799
Speaker 3: Skull is the new champ.

596
00:25:54,839 --> 00:25:57,200
Speaker 1: Rayfiel's got it with exclamation points next to it, just

597
00:25:57,240 --> 00:25:59,559
agitating me. And then we're going to get to Regis program.

598
00:25:59,559 --> 00:26:03,000
All right, of the undercard. Sure, I'm in the I'm

599
00:26:03,000 --> 00:26:08,160
in the building again, and it was alive. Talez gets

600
00:26:08,200 --> 00:26:11,400
thees however you want to say it, gets the junior

601
00:26:11,400 --> 00:26:15,279
middleweight co feature win with a t KO over Johan Gonzalez,

602
00:26:15,759 --> 00:26:19,000
and then the controversial draw which was a tremendous opening

603
00:26:19,039 --> 00:26:22,599
fight between Tapia and Savedra. The middleweights and I did

604
00:26:22,599 --> 00:26:25,519
not realize this, but I mean Tapia is full full

605
00:26:25,559 --> 00:26:29,000
blood Australian now because he's even got the Australian accent.

606
00:26:29,039 --> 00:26:29,799
Speaker 3: The good day mate.

607
00:26:31,119 --> 00:26:31,640
Speaker 2: He's Mexican.

608
00:26:32,000 --> 00:26:33,200
Speaker 3: Know he's Mexican, but.

609
00:26:33,000 --> 00:26:35,680
Speaker 1: He's got full blown Australian accent, lives there, trains there.

610
00:26:35,799 --> 00:26:38,319
Speaker 2: I think that was great. You got a Mexican that's

611
00:26:38,559 --> 00:26:42,519
from now Australian with an Australian accent and Injury Savedra,

612
00:26:42,599 --> 00:26:46,400
who is the opponent, is a Venezuelan who lives in Mexican.

613
00:26:46,079 --> 00:26:46,960
Speaker 3: Fighting out of Mexico.

614
00:26:47,039 --> 00:26:49,240
Speaker 1: And then the crowd was on its feet with both

615
00:26:49,279 --> 00:26:52,559
guys down on it to the thes first the co

616
00:26:52,720 --> 00:26:54,119
feature he gets the knockout.

617
00:26:54,160 --> 00:26:55,759
Speaker 3: What kind of prospect is this guy?

618
00:26:56,200 --> 00:26:58,400
Speaker 2: I think is a fantastic prospect. At the end of

619
00:26:58,440 --> 00:27:01,839
twenty twenty three, I included on my top fifteen prospect list.

620
00:27:02,119 --> 00:27:04,680
If you go on and you read my story about

621
00:27:04,720 --> 00:27:06,960
the card, you know there's a hyperlink that will take

622
00:27:07,000 --> 00:27:09,400
you to the story of the top fifteen prospects. And

623
00:27:09,440 --> 00:27:12,319
to put it in perspective, when last year ended, I

624
00:27:12,359 --> 00:27:15,680
selected Diego Pacheco as the prospect of the year and

625
00:27:15,839 --> 00:27:18,200
ranked my top fifteen. I forget what number I had

626
00:27:18,599 --> 00:27:20,680
tayas At, but he was in that top fifteen. He's

627
00:27:20,680 --> 00:27:24,000
a tremendous prospect. He's obviously is from Cuba. He defected

628
00:27:24,000 --> 00:27:26,319
at the United States. He's now lives and trains out

629
00:27:26,319 --> 00:27:28,720
of Stafford, Texas, which is right outside of Houston. He's

630
00:27:28,720 --> 00:27:30,799
with the great trainer, Ronnie Shields, who's been with him

631
00:27:30,799 --> 00:27:33,359
now for a while. Ronnie's got an outstanding gym. He

632
00:27:33,440 --> 00:27:37,720
also trains, you know, his countryman, David Morrell, you know.

633
00:27:37,759 --> 00:27:39,640
And they've got they've got a good group over there.

634
00:27:40,039 --> 00:27:42,039
And Taaz is a you know, I don't know if

635
00:27:42,079 --> 00:27:44,799
he's necessarily pound for pound material down the road, but

636
00:27:44,839 --> 00:27:47,119
he's only twenty four years old, so he's not a guy.

637
00:27:47,960 --> 00:27:51,160
They came from the Cuban system that spent forever and

638
00:27:51,279 --> 00:27:54,640
ever and ever in the amateur sometimes the great Cuban fighters.

639
00:27:54,680 --> 00:27:56,599
By the time they got to the United States to

640
00:27:56,720 --> 00:27:59,640
go to the professional level, they were so ingrained in

641
00:27:59,720 --> 00:28:02,839
that Cuban style, that Cuban system, that it's hard to

642
00:28:02,880 --> 00:28:04,519
get out of it. That you you, you know, it's

643
00:28:04,599 --> 00:28:06,640
kind of you can't teach the old dog new tricks.

644
00:28:06,880 --> 00:28:09,240
But TAAs was young enough where when he left c

645
00:28:09,359 --> 00:28:11,359
But even though he had some of that background. He

646
00:28:11,519 --> 00:28:13,680
was still kind of a work in progress, let's call him.

647
00:28:13,720 --> 00:28:17,400
So Ronnie can can teach him or hone him in

648
00:28:17,440 --> 00:28:19,720
more of a professional style, and he showed that he's

649
00:28:19,720 --> 00:28:22,160
you know, he's got a good, good punch. He's now

650
00:28:22,240 --> 00:28:25,119
nine and oh with seven knockouts, and Johan Gonzalez, in

651
00:28:25,119 --> 00:28:27,880
my opinion, while not a top level fighter, was certainly

652
00:28:27,920 --> 00:28:30,279
a step up in the opposition compared to the other

653
00:28:30,319 --> 00:28:33,599
types of guys that that Teaz has faced in the

654
00:28:33,640 --> 00:28:35,559
in the first handful of fights of his career, you know,

655
00:28:35,640 --> 00:28:38,359
only the second time he had ever been stopped. And

656
00:28:38,400 --> 00:28:40,400
the other guy that optened was Hazos Ramos, who was

657
00:28:40,400 --> 00:28:43,359
a good young contender. That was a couple that was

658
00:28:43,559 --> 00:28:45,400
actually in May of this year. So he's now lost

659
00:28:45,400 --> 00:28:46,960
too out of his last three. But that was a

660
00:28:47,039 --> 00:28:49,240
nice test for him. I thought, I mean, there's nothing

661
00:28:49,240 --> 00:28:51,119
wrong with that. And there's only other loss, by the way,

662
00:28:51,240 --> 00:28:53,799
was against Magna mid Kurbanov, who fought for the title

663
00:28:54,039 --> 00:28:56,480
against Madromov. That was a decision like two years ago.

664
00:28:56,559 --> 00:28:59,759
So uh, you know, I thought, for where Tayas is

665
00:28:59,759 --> 00:29:02,440
in his career, this was the perfect kind of opponent

666
00:29:02,640 --> 00:29:04,359
and you know, he got some rounds in. It went

667
00:29:04,440 --> 00:29:06,440
seven and he looked good and he won the fight

668
00:29:06,440 --> 00:29:09,759
pretty headily. He scored some knockdowns, scored him actually, what

669
00:29:09,799 --> 00:29:11,480
is it three knockdowns? I believe it was. He scored

670
00:29:11,759 --> 00:29:14,279
a knockdown in round number six, more in the seventh,

671
00:29:14,319 --> 00:29:16,279
which is when the fight was stopped. And so if

672
00:29:16,359 --> 00:29:18,680
you are team Taez, you're like, you know what, we

673
00:29:18,759 --> 00:29:23,440
got some good exposure on this undercard, and we performed

674
00:29:23,480 --> 00:29:26,160
against the best opponent of his career, and we got

675
00:29:26,160 --> 00:29:27,960
to win. We didn't get injured, we got a couple

676
00:29:28,000 --> 00:29:30,279
of knockdowns. I mean, there's really nothing bad to say.

677
00:29:30,279 --> 00:29:32,640
I think Gris is exciting and I look forward to

678
00:29:32,640 --> 00:29:35,400
seeing him. Are my only warrel And this is you

679
00:29:35,400 --> 00:29:37,559
could say this about, you know, a million fighters in boxing,

680
00:29:37,839 --> 00:29:39,400
is you just would love to see the guy be

681
00:29:39,559 --> 00:29:41,799
a little bit more active and be in the ring.

682
00:29:41,839 --> 00:29:44,880
Because he's only had now two fights this year and

683
00:29:45,039 --> 00:29:47,039
it's already October. He's certainly not going to fight again

684
00:29:47,079 --> 00:29:48,440
the rest of this year when you're nine in all,

685
00:29:48,519 --> 00:29:52,000
and how you know, it's really it's not enough to

686
00:29:52,039 --> 00:29:53,839
only have two fights in the year. That's the only

687
00:29:54,240 --> 00:29:56,839
unfortunate part, and to put it in perspective, in twenty

688
00:29:56,880 --> 00:29:59,119
twenty three he had four fights. Part of that, I

689
00:29:59,160 --> 00:30:02,599
am sure is because there's just not the inventory of

690
00:30:02,680 --> 00:30:06,359
dates and available slots because PBC is not just not

691
00:30:06,440 --> 00:30:08,799
doing that many shows and that's who he's with. So

692
00:30:09,480 --> 00:30:13,799
but that aside the talent wise and the potential, I

693
00:30:14,200 --> 00:30:16,519
love him. He's one of my favorite prospects in boxing.

694
00:30:16,960 --> 00:30:17,240
Speaker 3: All right.

695
00:30:17,279 --> 00:30:20,039
Speaker 1: And then again the opening fight. I'm not gonna say

696
00:30:20,079 --> 00:30:21,799
this should be on the top of the list for

697
00:30:21,839 --> 00:30:23,279
fight of the year. I don't even know that it

698
00:30:23,279 --> 00:30:25,680
should even be in the top ten. But we got

699
00:30:25,720 --> 00:30:28,519
to give a tip of the hat because Tapia, Yeah,

700
00:30:28,599 --> 00:30:30,319
you're tipping your hat while we're doing the show. Tip

701
00:30:30,680 --> 00:30:35,079
Tapia and Savedra again. Let me just set the scene.

702
00:30:35,160 --> 00:30:39,160
I'm sitting near the Australian set. I've got Australian media

703
00:30:39,200 --> 00:30:41,599
members sitting in front of me, writers a couple of them,

704
00:30:41,799 --> 00:30:45,240
and Fox Sports Australia's media person was in front of me.

705
00:30:45,680 --> 00:30:50,200
And when Savedra dropped Tapia, the gasps from those people

706
00:30:50,279 --> 00:30:52,279
because this is a guy fighting out of Australia that

707
00:30:52,359 --> 00:30:54,440
was supposed to win and he got dropped twice, and

708
00:30:54,480 --> 00:30:55,680
I didn't know if he was going to get out

709
00:30:55,720 --> 00:30:57,519
of that round. It was what the second round. I

710
00:30:57,519 --> 00:30:58,599
didn't know if he was going to get out of

711
00:30:58,599 --> 00:31:01,559
the second round, but he did. He later scored the

712
00:31:01,599 --> 00:31:05,799
knockdown of Savedra, and then Savedra scored another knockdown late

713
00:31:05,799 --> 00:31:10,720
in the fight with Tappy as eye grotesque, dam scrolling shut.

714
00:31:11,240 --> 00:31:13,640
And by the way I saw that that I about

715
00:31:13,640 --> 00:31:15,279
an hour after the fight. I'm sure they went and

716
00:31:15,279 --> 00:31:20,519
had him checked out. That eye was swollen, completely shut, huge, purple, red, puffed,

717
00:31:20,519 --> 00:31:21,599
swollen shot eye.

718
00:31:21,720 --> 00:31:24,039
Speaker 3: Nasty. And yet the fight is a draw.

719
00:31:24,160 --> 00:31:26,440
Speaker 1: I said to Sean Porter, who came over to do

720
00:31:26,480 --> 00:31:29,960
the studio thing. Have you do you remember a fighter

721
00:31:30,000 --> 00:31:32,079
scoring three knockdowns in a ten round fight and not

722
00:31:32,119 --> 00:31:34,319
even getting one score card? He goes, that is rough,

723
00:31:34,400 --> 00:31:36,279
He goes, that is rough to not even get a card,

724
00:31:36,519 --> 00:31:38,559
and it's rule to draw. All right, your thought on

725
00:31:38,599 --> 00:31:39,640
that real quick and we'll move on.

726
00:31:40,799 --> 00:31:42,240
Speaker 2: Well, I mean, in terms of the three knockdowns, I

727
00:31:42,279 --> 00:31:44,359
use the example that's the good, perfect example is the

728
00:31:44,359 --> 00:31:47,480
fight between Batalic of Vladimir klitchkow Rather and Samuel Peter.

729
00:31:47,599 --> 00:31:49,599
The first fight that they fought with each other. Samuel

730
00:31:49,599 --> 00:31:52,759
Peter scored three knockdowns and lost every other round of

731
00:31:52,759 --> 00:31:55,319
the fight. So and clitch Goo ended up winning. You know,

732
00:31:55,480 --> 00:31:57,920
pretty clear on the parts, but so it's possible. But

733
00:31:58,000 --> 00:32:00,680
of course Saveja also got knocked down also in the

734
00:32:00,720 --> 00:32:03,200
fifth round. It listen if you go back, and I

735
00:32:03,200 --> 00:32:05,039
think it was on this on our podcast, maybe it

736
00:32:05,079 --> 00:32:06,960
was on the US show, but anyway, spoke about when

737
00:32:07,000 --> 00:32:09,519
the undercard was put together. When we were talking about it,

738
00:32:09,759 --> 00:32:14,200
I said, look, Caesar Matteo Tapia and Andrey Savedra are

739
00:32:14,240 --> 00:32:17,799
not well known names, but my knowledge of the two

740
00:32:17,839 --> 00:32:21,160
guys and seeing the way the match, you know, seeing

741
00:32:21,160 --> 00:32:23,200
where they were in their careers, I'm like, this is

742
00:32:23,279 --> 00:32:25,839
probably gonna be a good fight. And it turned I mean,

743
00:32:25,960 --> 00:32:27,400
it turned out to be. Like you said, it was

744
00:32:27,440 --> 00:32:29,160
not gonna be fight of the year, but a highly

745
00:32:29,319 --> 00:32:33,119
entertaining fight. It will have the uh, the the historical

746
00:32:33,119 --> 00:32:37,599
footnote if you will. It's the first ever fight on

747
00:32:37,720 --> 00:32:40,519
Prime Video that wasn't a preliminary on a paper that

748
00:32:40,559 --> 00:32:42,160
it was his own standalone show. This was like the

749
00:32:42,200 --> 00:32:45,279
first one that was part of the Prime series. And

750
00:32:45,519 --> 00:32:47,279
it's a worthy opener. I mean it was a really

751
00:32:47,279 --> 00:32:49,960
good fight between two guys who are young, not young,

752
00:32:49,960 --> 00:32:53,319
but hungry. Let's say, you know, Mateo was undefeated, Mateo

753
00:32:53,359 --> 00:32:56,039
Tappa undefeated going into the fight. Savedra just had the

754
00:32:56,039 --> 00:32:59,440
one loss. And what do you want if it's not

755
00:32:59,519 --> 00:33:02,799
world chap Samianship level, if it's not like pound for

756
00:33:02,839 --> 00:33:05,720
pound implications, if it's not an elimination and you're just

757
00:33:05,759 --> 00:33:07,839
making the match, do you want to see an entertaining fight?

758
00:33:07,880 --> 00:33:10,200
And damn, that was a damn entertaining fight, and that

759
00:33:10,279 --> 00:33:12,599
could have probably gone either way. I kind of felt

760
00:33:12,680 --> 00:33:15,720
like maybe Happier, just by a little bit, may have

761
00:33:15,799 --> 00:33:17,960
won the fight, even though.

762
00:33:17,799 --> 00:33:20,279
Speaker 1: He certainly won the tenth round, and he won it

763
00:33:20,319 --> 00:33:23,440
on all three cards, and that was the key, because

764
00:33:23,519 --> 00:33:27,039
that clinched one card for him and it clinched the

765
00:33:27,200 --> 00:33:28,920
draw on the other two cards.

766
00:33:29,799 --> 00:33:31,920
Speaker 2: I would say this, you know, I don't even think

767
00:33:31,960 --> 00:33:34,680
it has to be the next fight, but at some point,

768
00:33:34,759 --> 00:33:37,240
you know, in the next couple of fights for these guys,

769
00:33:37,279 --> 00:33:39,319
you know, let them get their stuff together, you know,

770
00:33:39,400 --> 00:33:40,880
down the road a little bit, you know, in a year,

771
00:33:40,960 --> 00:33:42,599
year and a half from now, let's see these guys

772
00:33:42,599 --> 00:33:44,880
do a remass. I think that would be appropriate. Maybe

773
00:33:44,920 --> 00:33:46,400
at that point it could be for a little higher stakes,

774
00:33:46,440 --> 00:33:48,839
but like get a regional belt involved. Maybe you know,

775
00:33:48,880 --> 00:33:51,599
they had an IBF International belt. Maybe it could be

776
00:33:51,640 --> 00:33:54,440
some kind of eliminator or something like that. Whatever, But

777
00:33:54,480 --> 00:33:59,119
the point is very entertaining fight. And of course because

778
00:33:59,160 --> 00:34:01,680
the Mexican Ausha and that was the reason he's on

779
00:34:01,720 --> 00:34:04,200
the card is because remember the bulk of the revenue

780
00:34:04,240 --> 00:34:07,160
it was being derived from this event was from Australian

781
00:34:07,160 --> 00:34:10,039
pay per view, so besides having Tim Zoo, they needed

782
00:34:10,039 --> 00:34:13,320
some other Australian hook to it, let's say, and by

783
00:34:13,320 --> 00:34:15,079
putting him on the card, that made a lot of sense.

784
00:34:15,119 --> 00:34:18,440
And tas the was the you know, the the prospect

785
00:34:18,480 --> 00:34:20,199
based in the United States that was on the show.

786
00:34:20,880 --> 00:34:23,039
Speaker 3: All good stuff there, and honest.

787
00:34:23,199 --> 00:34:25,159
Speaker 2: Let's just discuss that for the first part of it

788
00:34:25,199 --> 00:34:27,719
being the first Prime video because it wasn't a pay

789
00:34:27,760 --> 00:34:30,400
per view. Look, it turned out to be a good

790
00:34:30,480 --> 00:34:33,320
entertaining card. I don't think that Prime Video did did

791
00:34:33,360 --> 00:34:35,920
a damn thing to help actually promote it, unfortunately. Uh,

792
00:34:36,000 --> 00:34:38,119
and that was that was disappointing because if you're gonna

793
00:34:38,599 --> 00:34:41,360
put any kind of resources towards your product, you know,

794
00:34:41,599 --> 00:34:44,360
I got people on social media who couldn't find it

795
00:34:44,400 --> 00:34:47,039
on the website, didn't know where it was, thought maybe

796
00:34:47,119 --> 00:34:48,800
is this a pay per view? Like it was so

797
00:34:48,960 --> 00:34:50,440
unclear to a lot of people, like had to even

798
00:34:50,480 --> 00:34:53,119
find it. You know, we as boxing fans, you have

799
00:34:53,159 --> 00:34:55,039
to learn the fine art of hunting and pecking to

800
00:34:55,079 --> 00:34:57,239
find what you want to watch. I mean, it's just ridiculous.

801
00:34:57,760 --> 00:35:02,000
But that aside, I thought they definitely did a stripped down,

802
00:35:02,079 --> 00:35:04,679
cheaper production if you watch the actual broadcast, there's no

803
00:35:04,719 --> 00:35:07,199
doubt about that compared to what they spend when they

804
00:35:07,199 --> 00:35:08,599
were doing the pay per views, or what they spend

805
00:35:08,639 --> 00:35:12,480
when Showtime was doing the fights. You know, less people

806
00:35:12,519 --> 00:35:15,159
calling the fights the B team, let's say, or not

807
00:35:15,159 --> 00:35:17,400
I shouldn't say, be tea because they're all talented broadcasters,

808
00:35:17,639 --> 00:35:20,199
but not as expensive if you know what I mean.

809
00:35:20,559 --> 00:35:22,559
Speaker 1: Well, but the other thing is they moved it along,

810
00:35:22,639 --> 00:35:24,599
get a ten round opener, you got right to the

811
00:35:24,639 --> 00:35:27,159
second fight, which was seven rounds and Rayfield, my god.

812
00:35:27,159 --> 00:35:29,119
The main event was in the ring at ten pm

813
00:35:29,400 --> 00:35:32,239
and Eastern time, it was over with at ten oh

814
00:35:32,320 --> 00:35:33,239
eight pm.

815
00:35:33,039 --> 00:35:35,400
Speaker 2: Because they didn't spend a ton of time between the fights. Yes,

816
00:35:35,559 --> 00:35:38,960
they did in my opinion, this is a positive check

817
00:35:38,960 --> 00:35:43,159
mark and everybody's corner. When it came to the broadcast,

818
00:35:44,000 --> 00:35:47,559
the broadcast started Brian Custer, who was the blow by blow,

819
00:35:47,599 --> 00:35:50,119
but also you know the traffic cops so to speak,

820
00:35:50,400 --> 00:35:52,400
did an excellent job. They took a couple of minutes

821
00:35:52,440 --> 00:35:55,559
with him and my old colleague from ESPN, Brian Campbell

822
00:35:55,639 --> 00:35:59,199
was one of the analysts with Keith Thurman who was

823
00:35:59,360 --> 00:36:01,400
the expert, and the three of them they did a

824
00:36:01,440 --> 00:36:04,280
short setup of the story, of the storylines and of

825
00:36:04,320 --> 00:36:06,159
the fight, and they got right to the first fight.

826
00:36:06,239 --> 00:36:08,719
So I'm okay with that. Take your five minutes set

827
00:36:08,760 --> 00:36:10,800
up the show good, but you don't need Sometimes you

828
00:36:10,880 --> 00:36:14,039
see fifteen twenty minutes as nonsense. And they got right

829
00:36:14,079 --> 00:36:16,280
to the action. So I appreciate that you mentioned eight o'clock.

830
00:36:16,920 --> 00:36:18,920
They're in the ring, and by eight I mean probably

831
00:36:18,960 --> 00:36:21,559
was what maybe eight fifteen at the latest eight ten

832
00:36:21,880 --> 00:36:23,760
of the punch they are being thrown in the first fight, So,

833
00:36:24,000 --> 00:36:25,920
you know, good job on the pacing. There are some

834
00:36:26,000 --> 00:36:28,400
other entities that do boxing they could certainly learn a lesson.

835
00:36:28,880 --> 00:36:30,760
Speaker 1: Agreed, all right, we spent a ton of time on

836
00:36:30,760 --> 00:36:33,079
that again. Regis Program coming up, give me the boxer

837
00:36:33,760 --> 00:36:37,559
earlier in the day US Times Saturday Night in London recap.

838
00:36:37,719 --> 00:36:41,800
I've seen the highlights of Adam Azim's knockout of Ohara Davies.

839
00:36:41,840 --> 00:36:44,000
Your thought on that and anything else off the under

840
00:36:44,000 --> 00:36:46,119
card since this's the recap pot go well.

841
00:36:46,159 --> 00:36:48,480
Speaker 2: I thought that Adam Azem, who I have said many

842
00:36:48,480 --> 00:36:51,079
times is one of my favorite prospects, and Mantanta's actually

843
00:36:51,079 --> 00:36:53,679
for the Rayfield prospect list, like they are two of

844
00:36:53,719 --> 00:36:57,000
my favorite prospects, and they both look really good. Adam

845
00:36:57,079 --> 00:36:59,280
Zein looked spectacular. I know we was finding Ohiara Davies

846
00:36:59,440 --> 00:37:01,920
was coming off the first round knockout lost to Broso,

847
00:37:02,119 --> 00:37:03,880
but he was in good shape for that fight. He

848
00:37:04,039 --> 00:37:05,639
was there to fight, you know. He spoke about that

849
00:37:05,719 --> 00:37:08,360
aspect of things after the fight. This was the best

850
00:37:08,360 --> 00:37:10,199
performance that Adam Azem has had in his young careers.

851
00:37:10,199 --> 00:37:13,639
Now twelve to zero, he now has nine knockouts. It

852
00:37:13,719 --> 00:37:16,039
was the best opponent he has faced. And he looked fast,

853
00:37:16,519 --> 00:37:19,480
He looked sharp, He looked like he was on point,

854
00:37:19,599 --> 00:37:21,679
like he was dialed in. He was in good condition.

855
00:37:22,199 --> 00:37:25,280
There was nothing to criticize in this performance. He scored

856
00:37:25,480 --> 00:37:28,239
a knockdown in the fifth round, clean as day. Then

857
00:37:28,280 --> 00:37:31,199
he stopped him and with a nice shot in the

858
00:37:31,199 --> 00:37:35,079
eighth round and O'Hara Davis got counted out and Davis

859
00:37:35,119 --> 00:37:36,519
gave him a lot of credits, says, look, you know,

860
00:37:37,000 --> 00:37:38,559
he talked about like maybe that's going to be his

861
00:37:38,639 --> 00:37:41,440
last fight, that maybe he'll retire. They are friendly from

862
00:37:41,480 --> 00:37:43,559
before this fight. He was like, look, this is my

863
00:37:43,639 --> 00:37:45,280
last fight. I'm glad it was to a young man

864
00:37:45,320 --> 00:37:48,239
like Adamazein because he's going places in boxing. The only

865
00:37:48,280 --> 00:37:51,079
thing that stands between Adam Azem and stardom, true stardom.

866
00:37:51,280 --> 00:37:54,440
He just needs some more experience and more reps against

867
00:37:54,480 --> 00:37:56,760
this type of opponent. Maybe another step up in the

868
00:37:56,800 --> 00:38:00,400
next next fight. But he's going places and he's he's

869
00:38:00,440 --> 00:38:03,519
probably gonna be, you know, one of the significant fighters

870
00:38:03,960 --> 00:38:05,519
over the course of the next few years in terms of

871
00:38:05,519 --> 00:38:09,199
British Boxing's he's got some swagger, he's got some charisma,

872
00:38:09,239 --> 00:38:12,039
he's got power, he's got speed. This was a great

873
00:38:12,119 --> 00:38:15,519
performance for where he is in his career. I'm not

874
00:38:15,559 --> 00:38:17,880
comparing it to like, you know, what a Crawford did

875
00:38:17,880 --> 00:38:20,199
against Aarol Spencer or something like that. I'm saying for

876
00:38:20,239 --> 00:38:23,639
where he is, this was exactly the right fight and

877
00:38:23,679 --> 00:38:26,039
it was exactly the type of performance that he can

878
00:38:26,079 --> 00:38:28,440
build on. It was just a tremendous There was no

879
00:38:28,960 --> 00:38:30,639
I mean, I know his trainers and the people that

880
00:38:30,719 --> 00:38:33,400
do his career. You know, they'll nitpick and they may find,

881
00:38:33,599 --> 00:38:35,440
you know, little things that they need to work on.

882
00:38:35,760 --> 00:38:40,639
But from my eyes as a viewer, I thought, there's

883
00:38:40,719 --> 00:38:43,079
there's nothing that you wanted to nitpick at. I thought

884
00:38:43,119 --> 00:38:44,679
he looked brilliant. Now as far as the rest of

885
00:38:44,679 --> 00:38:46,440
the card, not Now that was funny. That was the

886
00:38:46,440 --> 00:38:48,239
main event. That was advertising the main event, but they

887
00:38:48,239 --> 00:38:51,159
brought out the Dan Aziz fight after the fight that

888
00:38:51,320 --> 00:38:54,880
was him against Lewis Edmondson for the vacant titles of

889
00:38:55,000 --> 00:38:57,960
the British light heavyweight and the Commonwealth light heavyweight titles.

890
00:38:58,000 --> 00:39:00,639
Disease has been a good contender for the last several years.

891
00:39:00,639 --> 00:39:03,519
I mean, he had, you know, an excellent fight with Biwatsie,

892
00:39:03,519 --> 00:39:05,480
who was his pose friend. He lost that eliminator by

893
00:39:06,280 --> 00:39:09,159
a unanimous decision, but he was, you know, being he

894
00:39:09,280 --> 00:39:12,480
was highly considered. He had some other solid wins and

895
00:39:12,519 --> 00:39:14,639
he was a favorite in this fight against a very

896
00:39:15,480 --> 00:39:18,320
relatively inexperienced professional. Lewis Edmondson was nine to oh but

897
00:39:18,360 --> 00:39:21,039
had never fought anybody close to the kind of guys

898
00:39:21,280 --> 00:39:25,360
that Aziz fought, and he ended up winning a majority

899
00:39:25,400 --> 00:39:28,840
decision get the upset against disease. Unfortunately, it was a

900
00:39:28,920 --> 00:39:32,960
terrible fight in my opinion, just a dreadfully blackluster, slow paced,

901
00:39:33,039 --> 00:39:35,639
kind of boring, this kind of fight that said, you know,

902
00:39:35,679 --> 00:39:37,400
it's a work of art if you're Lewis Edmonson, because

903
00:39:37,400 --> 00:39:39,239
you get your biggest win and you get your hands on,

904
00:39:39,639 --> 00:39:42,119
you know, two very traditional titles that every young British

905
00:39:42,119 --> 00:39:44,079
fighter would love to have, which is, you know, the

906
00:39:44,079 --> 00:39:47,239
Great lons Dell Belt, the British title and the Commonwealth titles.

907
00:39:47,320 --> 00:39:49,400
So you know, I don't know where AZ's goes from

908
00:39:49,440 --> 00:39:52,039
here after a loss like that, not like he got

909
00:39:52,039 --> 00:39:54,480
beat up, but now unfortunately for him that he's now

910
00:39:54,639 --> 00:39:56,800
zero two and one in his last three fights. He

911
00:39:56,840 --> 00:39:59,480
lost the fight to Bwatsie, he lost his fight to Edmondson,

912
00:39:59,480 --> 00:40:01,280
and then sque in between Back and Juni. He had

913
00:40:01,280 --> 00:40:03,440
a draw in an eight rounder that was sort of

914
00:40:03,480 --> 00:40:07,400
an unforgivable kind of draw against like a relatively low

915
00:40:07,480 --> 00:40:09,880
level opponent so im not sure where Dan Goshmi here,

916
00:40:09,920 --> 00:40:12,960
but said, you know, he'll get his opportunity to go

917
00:40:13,039 --> 00:40:16,519
along with his British and Commonweal title. Nazim, like I said,

918
00:40:16,559 --> 00:40:19,599
he looked absolutely terrific in that fight, and you know

919
00:40:19,639 --> 00:40:22,440
those were the main bouts. I mean, not that it's

920
00:40:22,480 --> 00:40:24,320
a big deal in my mind, but he did have

921
00:40:24,360 --> 00:40:26,840
some name recognition. Michael mckinson, who was a popular fighter

922
00:40:26,880 --> 00:40:30,760
from UK actually lost in an upset to Toulani and Benja.

923
00:40:31,519 --> 00:40:32,519
That was a kind of a shock.

924
00:40:32,599 --> 00:40:35,280
Speaker 1: Anthony Yard also won thirty seconds on that as.

925
00:40:35,320 --> 00:40:37,400
Speaker 2: Oh yeah, while yeah, Anthony Yard, you know, he had

926
00:40:37,440 --> 00:40:40,559
been in a contract dispute with Frank Warren, who I

927
00:40:40,559 --> 00:40:42,360
think still thinks he has him under contract. So I'm

928
00:40:42,360 --> 00:40:44,280
not sure where that's going. But in the end, Anthony

929
00:40:44,360 --> 00:40:48,159
Yard did fight on this card and he ended up

930
00:40:48,199 --> 00:40:50,960
winning a unanimous decision, pretty clear cut. I think what

931
00:40:51,079 --> 00:40:53,679
happened was in the first like the first punch of

932
00:40:53,679 --> 00:40:57,679
the fight, like a shot dropped his opponent Ralphvilkens in

933
00:40:57,719 --> 00:40:59,599
the first round, like you talk, in ten to fifteen

934
00:40:59,639 --> 00:41:03,000
seconds into the fight, and everybody, I think, including Anthony

935
00:41:03,079 --> 00:41:05,440
Yard himself, is sort of like okay, I'm gonna just

936
00:41:05,519 --> 00:41:06,960
land one more shot like that, I'm and get rid

937
00:41:06,960 --> 00:41:08,599
of this dude. Because Anthony Yard is a great puncher.

938
00:41:08,639 --> 00:41:11,599
Speaker 1: I've always said while Wilkins comes to fight though rightfield,

939
00:41:11,960 --> 00:41:13,360
Hey listen, I'm joking.

940
00:41:13,920 --> 00:41:16,039
Speaker 2: So in the end, like he couldn't get him out

941
00:41:16,039 --> 00:41:17,719
of there, and he did get you know, the the

942
00:41:17,760 --> 00:41:19,440
ten rounds, in which I guess is not a bad

943
00:41:19,440 --> 00:41:21,800
thing if you're if you're if you're Anthony Yard.

944
00:41:21,599 --> 00:41:25,239
Speaker 1: Who's falcons out of a police lineup. But Yard gets

945
00:41:25,280 --> 00:41:27,519
to win, Yeah.

946
00:41:27,599 --> 00:41:29,519
Speaker 2: Is the third win in a row. It's a low

947
00:41:29,599 --> 00:41:31,639
level opponent since he had that great fight where he

948
00:41:31,679 --> 00:41:34,800
got stopped against Arthur better Be than jangu Arey of

949
00:41:34,840 --> 00:41:37,239
last year. So he's now at least still back on

950
00:41:37,280 --> 00:41:40,000
the winning trail. You got to figure he's gonna find

951
00:41:40,039 --> 00:41:41,760
himself in a bigger fight. I think they were actually

952
00:41:41,840 --> 00:41:44,840
on the broadcast on if you're watching on Peacock, which

953
00:41:44,880 --> 00:41:47,639
is the simulcast of the Sky broadcast from the UK.

954
00:41:47,960 --> 00:41:49,920
They were they were talking about the prospect of him

955
00:41:49,920 --> 00:41:52,679
against Joshua Blasse, which would be a big deal, all

956
00:41:52,679 --> 00:41:55,480
British light heavyweight fight between two good contenders. So that

957
00:41:55,559 --> 00:41:58,719
might be a thing, because look, BASSI is a mandatory,

958
00:41:59,199 --> 00:42:01,519
but it's unlikely getting a title shot anytime in the

959
00:42:01,519 --> 00:42:04,880
immediate future. If you see the reality before you that

960
00:42:04,960 --> 00:42:07,079
it's probably going to be a rematch between Art theer

961
00:42:07,079 --> 00:42:08,280
better beving to meet your bibel.

962
00:42:09,679 --> 00:42:11,880
Speaker 1: All right, here it is, and I promise Regi's prograce

963
00:42:11,920 --> 00:42:16,920
coming up shortly, William Skull O your voice, Vladimir Shishkin

964
00:42:17,239 --> 00:42:20,239
for the vacant IBF one hundred and sixty eight pound crown.

965
00:42:20,800 --> 00:42:24,079
Not only did I not see this, I don't have

966
00:42:24,119 --> 00:42:27,440
any desire to even go back and relive whatever highlights

967
00:42:27,559 --> 00:42:30,079
might be because you're telling me the fight stunk, but

968
00:42:30,400 --> 00:42:33,719
Skull gets the win, So give this like the cursory

969
00:42:33,880 --> 00:42:35,400
sixty seconds or less go.

970
00:42:36,079 --> 00:42:37,800
Speaker 2: It was a terrible fight. I didn't think it was

971
00:42:37,840 --> 00:42:39,920
a particularly good decision. They gave the fight to Skull

972
00:42:39,960 --> 00:42:43,440
one sixteen, one thirteen, one fifteen to one thirteen and

973
00:42:43,440 --> 00:42:46,880
one sixteen to one twelve. I thought that I have

974
00:42:46,880 --> 00:42:49,639
to be honest. I didn't score on paper every round,

975
00:42:49,679 --> 00:42:51,440
and I know that if I'm going to talk about scoring,

976
00:42:51,719 --> 00:42:53,519
I should do that. I do that with most fights,

977
00:42:53,639 --> 00:42:55,400
but this fight was too stinky for me to do

978
00:42:55,440 --> 00:42:57,679
that I didn't. I didn't have the patience to score

979
00:42:57,719 --> 00:43:00,519
all twelve rounds, But I did feel like that that

980
00:43:00,519 --> 00:43:02,800
that Shishkin would kind of got jobbed a little bit

981
00:43:02,840 --> 00:43:04,719
in the fight. Just my feeling. If I if I

982
00:43:04,800 --> 00:43:06,639
was forced to go back and score all twelve rounds,

983
00:43:06,679 --> 00:43:09,239
maybe I would think differently. But in my viewing of

984
00:43:09,280 --> 00:43:12,239
the fight, which was on his own, uh picked up

985
00:43:12,239 --> 00:43:14,079
at the last moment, not pay per view, by the way,

986
00:43:14,320 --> 00:43:17,800
like the no undercards on pay per view either. You know, look,

987
00:43:17,840 --> 00:43:19,920
it was it was a bad fight, and Skull is

988
00:43:19,960 --> 00:43:23,000
the beneficiary of having never really fought anybody in his

989
00:43:23,159 --> 00:43:26,239
entire career until this fight. Shishkin's with. You know, Shishkin

990
00:43:26,400 --> 00:43:29,599
was a pretty decent opponent, and he gets the uh,

991
00:43:29,960 --> 00:43:32,199
he gets the the IBF Super middle I title. Where

992
00:43:32,199 --> 00:43:33,840
it takes him. You know, it's not like it's gonna

993
00:43:33,840 --> 00:43:36,000
suddenly get him a Canelo fight, because they could have

994
00:43:36,039 --> 00:43:39,280
done that before. So he'll stay home in Germany probably

995
00:43:39,280 --> 00:43:42,119
and they'll find somebody from the fight and that'll be that.

996
00:43:42,199 --> 00:43:44,880
But it was not a good fight, and uh, you know,

997
00:43:45,239 --> 00:43:46,239
Canelos still the champ.

998
00:43:46,239 --> 00:43:48,679
Speaker 1: In my mind, you gave it the cursory forty five

999
00:43:48,760 --> 00:43:49,480
or fifty seconds.

1000
00:43:49,519 --> 00:43:50,000
Speaker 3: There you go.

1001
00:43:50,639 --> 00:43:53,519
Speaker 1: All right, let's get to Regi's prograe who you talked

1002
00:43:53,559 --> 00:43:56,920
to recently. He's fighting Jack Catterall coming up this Saturday

1003
00:43:56,960 --> 00:44:01,800
in Manchester. This is a twelve round non title fight. Still,

1004
00:44:01,880 --> 00:44:04,599
somebody's going to be very relevant at junior welterweight program

1005
00:44:04,719 --> 00:44:07,639
needs this fight. So let's go back to to Dan's

1006
00:44:07,639 --> 00:44:11,559
conversation just recently with the former champ in this division,

1007
00:44:11,639 --> 00:44:13,400
Regis Program.

1008
00:44:13,719 --> 00:44:15,599
Speaker 2: Well, it's my great pleasure to welcome back to our

1009
00:44:15,639 --> 00:44:18,320
podcast for another appearance getting ready for another important fights

1010
00:44:18,360 --> 00:44:21,519
none other than the former two time junior welterweight world

1011
00:44:21,599 --> 00:44:24,079
champ Regis Program. Regis, thank you so much for joining me.

1012
00:44:24,280 --> 00:44:27,239
We're here to talk about you have a very significant

1013
00:44:27,280 --> 00:44:30,920
fight coming up. It's against Jack Catterall in at the

1014
00:44:31,119 --> 00:44:33,880
New co Op Live in Manchester, England. Will headline the

1015
00:44:33,920 --> 00:44:37,440
Mattroom Boxing cart on October twenty sixth on his own Welcome.

1016
00:44:37,480 --> 00:44:40,400
I know you're in training camp getting ready for the fight.

1017
00:44:40,519 --> 00:44:42,559
First of all, just tell me just your your general

1018
00:44:42,559 --> 00:44:45,159
thoughts about you know, preparing yet again for another you know,

1019
00:44:45,239 --> 00:44:47,519
highly significant fight in the junior welterweight division.

1020
00:44:49,000 --> 00:44:50,119
Speaker 4: I mean I'm excited about it.

1021
00:44:50,159 --> 00:44:53,079
Speaker 5: You know, I'm definitely excited something I'm really it's something

1022
00:44:53,119 --> 00:44:54,320
I can kind of look forward to.

1023
00:44:55,400 --> 00:44:56,480
Speaker 4: It's something i'm excited about.

1024
00:44:56,480 --> 00:44:58,760
Speaker 5: It's something that It's a fight that I've been one

1025
00:44:58,880 --> 00:45:00,840
for a little while, and you know, it happened. I

1026
00:45:00,880 --> 00:45:03,280
think me and Jack we were supposed to fight maybe

1027
00:45:03,320 --> 00:45:06,480
like two or three years ago, and maybe like two

1028
00:45:06,519 --> 00:45:09,360
years ago, and it just kind of just never happened.

1029
00:45:09,440 --> 00:45:11,519
Speaker 4: And you know, now is you know, I guess now

1030
00:45:11,920 --> 00:45:12,440
is a good time.

1031
00:45:12,480 --> 00:45:14,199
Speaker 5: And I think this is the biggest fight you can

1032
00:45:14,280 --> 00:45:17,440
make at one forty besides, you know, people with the belts.

1033
00:45:17,440 --> 00:45:20,519
So I think it's you know, it's a great fight.

1034
00:45:20,800 --> 00:45:23,760
It's a good fight, and I'm just excited about it.

1035
00:45:23,960 --> 00:45:26,280
Speaker 2: Well, you mentioned about how maybe there was a conversation

1036
00:45:26,320 --> 00:45:28,440
about maybe two guys would have hooked up in a

1037
00:45:28,440 --> 00:45:30,559
fight a couple of years ago. You were supposed to

1038
00:45:30,559 --> 00:45:33,000
fight each other on August twenty fourth, just a few

1039
00:45:33,000 --> 00:45:35,360
months ago. He had to postpone the fight because he

1040
00:45:35,400 --> 00:45:38,079
suffered a rib injury and it was only like less

1041
00:45:38,079 --> 00:45:39,760
than a month or so, or just about a month

1042
00:45:39,840 --> 00:45:41,320
or so before the fight. So both of you guys

1043
00:45:41,360 --> 00:45:44,000
are already in training camp, You're already doing your sparring,

1044
00:45:44,039 --> 00:45:45,960
You're deep in, You're spending money on the camp and

1045
00:45:46,000 --> 00:45:48,280
the whole thing, and everybody's preparing for the event, and

1046
00:45:48,320 --> 00:45:51,480
then unfortunately, you know, it's not your first rodeo, it

1047
00:45:51,519 --> 00:45:53,840
got postponed. Can you just sort of think back then,

1048
00:45:53,960 --> 00:45:55,800
just give me your emotions and your thoughts about when

1049
00:45:55,800 --> 00:45:58,159
you heard, oh damn, you know this fight was postponed,

1050
00:45:59,280 --> 00:46:01,360
and just you know, just having to kind of get

1051
00:46:01,360 --> 00:46:03,360
back in the mentality of starting camp over again at

1052
00:46:03,360 --> 00:46:04,440
some point, right.

1053
00:46:04,480 --> 00:46:06,280
Speaker 5: I mean, I was pissed. I was really pissed. I

1054
00:46:06,280 --> 00:46:08,719
mean the main thing because because I went to Vegas.

1055
00:46:08,800 --> 00:46:10,360
I went out there, I was in Vegas training, I

1056
00:46:10,440 --> 00:46:12,639
was running, I was doing everything I was supposed to do, sparring.

1057
00:46:13,039 --> 00:46:16,719
I mean, I had a real, real tight just just

1058
00:46:16,840 --> 00:46:17,960
my my schedule was.

1059
00:46:17,960 --> 00:46:20,360
Speaker 4: Just super tight. It was just literally like boxing all

1060
00:46:20,480 --> 00:46:24,079
day long. And and then you know, coming out of pocket.

1061
00:46:24,119 --> 00:46:26,039
Speaker 5: You know, nobody, you know, Matt Trim never gave me

1062
00:46:26,079 --> 00:46:27,480
no type of camp money and nothing like that.

1063
00:46:27,519 --> 00:46:28,760
Speaker 4: I came out of my own pocket.

1064
00:46:28,960 --> 00:46:30,519
Speaker 5: I went out to Vegas and I was training, and

1065
00:46:30,519 --> 00:46:33,239
then they told me the fight was postponed, so it

1066
00:46:33,400 --> 00:46:34,280
really you know, it.

1067
00:46:34,199 --> 00:46:37,719
Speaker 4: Bothered me a lot, but it bothered me more. It

1068
00:46:37,800 --> 00:46:38,960
bothered me about.

1069
00:46:38,760 --> 00:46:40,760
Speaker 5: You know that I was training, because you know, it's

1070
00:46:41,079 --> 00:46:42,039
you know, when I was out.

1071
00:46:41,960 --> 00:46:43,599
Speaker 4: There training, it was good. It was good sparring, it

1072
00:46:43,639 --> 00:46:45,239
was good work. It was it was just a whole.

1073
00:46:45,280 --> 00:46:47,519
Speaker 5: It was a good vibe all around. But the thing

1074
00:46:47,559 --> 00:46:49,639
that bothered me is just like, you know, I did

1075
00:46:49,639 --> 00:46:51,360
all this and I paid all this out.

1076
00:46:51,280 --> 00:46:54,159
Speaker 4: Of pocket, and you know, it's like basically it's for nothing.

1077
00:46:54,400 --> 00:46:56,519
So that was the main thing.

1078
00:46:56,639 --> 00:46:58,199
Speaker 2: Let me ask me that. Then you mentioned about the

1079
00:46:58,199 --> 00:47:00,280
financial there. I mean what people with fans, I don't things

1080
00:47:00,320 --> 00:47:03,639
sometimes realizes that a fighters, they don't get paid until

1081
00:47:03,679 --> 00:47:06,559
the fight happens number one and number two. While there

1082
00:47:06,599 --> 00:47:10,559
are certain fights, the biggest fights, fighters get advances or

1083
00:47:10,599 --> 00:47:14,159
get consideration for training expenses. You just mentioned it, didn't

1084
00:47:14,159 --> 00:47:16,119
I just if you don't mind how much how much

1085
00:47:16,159 --> 00:47:18,000
out of pocket you come to us to do that

1086
00:47:18,480 --> 00:47:21,320
bunch of weeks of camp where you're not getting paid

1087
00:47:21,320 --> 00:47:23,320
and now you got to start up the camp again, right.

1088
00:47:23,360 --> 00:47:24,840
Speaker 5: I was up there for about a month. I mean,

1089
00:47:24,880 --> 00:47:28,039
it wasn't that bad. Maybe like ten or fifteen thousand.

1090
00:47:28,119 --> 00:47:29,960
Speaker 4: I came out of pocket. You know, it's I mean,

1091
00:47:30,000 --> 00:47:31,519
it's it's it's not it's.

1092
00:47:31,400 --> 00:47:33,480
Speaker 5: Not that much, but at the same time, it's still something.

1093
00:47:33,559 --> 00:47:35,320
It's still something that I have to come out of

1094
00:47:35,360 --> 00:47:37,400
pocket with. Nobody gave me no type of money. It

1095
00:47:37,440 --> 00:47:39,960
wasn't you know, it was all me coming out. You know,

1096
00:47:39,960 --> 00:47:41,639
I had to I had to fly my trainers out

1097
00:47:41,639 --> 00:47:43,519
there and fly with one of my trainers out there.

1098
00:47:44,079 --> 00:47:45,440
I had to ship my car out there. I had

1099
00:47:45,440 --> 00:47:48,960
to pay for lodging for my trainer. Luckily I have

1100
00:47:49,079 --> 00:47:50,480
honestly live out there, so I did that.

1101
00:47:50,559 --> 00:47:51,320
Speaker 4: You still have to pay.

1102
00:47:51,360 --> 00:47:52,559
Speaker 5: I had to pay my shelf, I had to pay

1103
00:47:52,639 --> 00:47:54,519
up for all my food, all that type of stuff.

1104
00:47:54,760 --> 00:47:56,880
Speaker 4: So you know, that was like the bad thing about it.

1105
00:47:56,920 --> 00:47:58,960
Speaker 2: But and your sparting partners also you pay.

1106
00:47:59,760 --> 00:48:01,719
Speaker 4: Yeah, so you know you have to do all that

1107
00:48:01,760 --> 00:48:05,360
type of stuff. And but listen, it it happens.

1108
00:48:05,440 --> 00:48:07,679
Speaker 5: You know, I understand it happens, and it is what

1109
00:48:07,679 --> 00:48:10,239
it is, and I wasn't. I'm glad that you know,

1110
00:48:10,480 --> 00:48:13,960
they they postponed. It wasn't just canceled all the way

1111
00:48:14,000 --> 00:48:15,039
and it was postponed.

1112
00:48:15,480 --> 00:48:17,320
Speaker 2: So when you hear that he has a rib injury.

1113
00:48:18,159 --> 00:48:20,280
And you know that they didn't. They didn't say it's

1114
00:48:20,320 --> 00:48:23,320
an elbow or a hand, it's a rib injury. Do

1115
00:48:23,360 --> 00:48:24,840
you make that a point in the back of your

1116
00:48:24,880 --> 00:48:26,239
mind and say, you know what, I'm gonna make sure

1117
00:48:26,280 --> 00:48:29,239
I target his ribcage when it comes time for the fight.

1118
00:48:29,840 --> 00:48:30,440
Speaker 4: Oh, of course.

1119
00:48:30,519 --> 00:48:31,920
Speaker 5: I mean I don't know if it's true or not,

1120
00:48:32,000 --> 00:48:34,039
but yeah, of course, I mean, look, you have an injury.

1121
00:48:34,119 --> 00:48:35,920
Of course I'm I'm gonna go target that, you know,

1122
00:48:36,039 --> 00:48:37,559
no matter what, that's what I'm gonna target.

1123
00:48:37,639 --> 00:48:38,719
Speaker 4: So, you know, and I.

1124
00:48:38,639 --> 00:48:40,239
Speaker 5: Don't know if it's real. I don't know if it's stayed.

1125
00:48:40,239 --> 00:48:42,159
That's what I heard, you know, but you know, we can.

1126
00:48:42,039 --> 00:48:42,960
Speaker 4: Hear all kinds of stuff.

1127
00:48:43,000 --> 00:48:46,719
Speaker 5: So yeah, that's that'll that'll be, you know, one of

1128
00:48:46,480 --> 00:48:47,760
the places I'll target.

1129
00:48:48,599 --> 00:48:51,280
Speaker 2: Now, you're essentially gonna be fighting in his hometown. He

1130
00:48:51,320 --> 00:48:54,000
lives about I looked up on Google Maps. It's about

1131
00:48:54,000 --> 00:48:58,159
forty five fifty minutes between his hometown of Chorley and

1132
00:48:58,159 --> 00:49:01,679
and the arena where you're fighting in Manchion. Obviously it's

1133
00:49:01,679 --> 00:49:04,079
a hometown fight for him. Did you have any qualms

1134
00:49:04,079 --> 00:49:06,159
about taking your show on the road to go there.

1135
00:49:06,519 --> 00:49:09,119
You're on the short end of a very close, excellent

1136
00:49:09,159 --> 00:49:11,199
fight against Josh Taylor a few years ago in your

1137
00:49:11,199 --> 00:49:14,760
twenty nineteen unification also in the UK, which I guess

1138
00:49:15,000 --> 00:49:17,400
hasn't been the kindest to read this program. What's your

1139
00:49:17,400 --> 00:49:19,400
mentality about going into the lines done again.

1140
00:49:20,960 --> 00:49:23,199
Speaker 4: I'm not really tripping about it. You know. It's like

1141
00:49:23,280 --> 00:49:25,119
something I don't really think about, but I'm not really

1142
00:49:25,159 --> 00:49:26,880
tripping about it. At the same time, I want to

1143
00:49:26,920 --> 00:49:28,440
be a you know, I want to be a world champion.

1144
00:49:28,239 --> 00:49:30,119
Speaker 5: Again, and whatever it takes to get to that world

1145
00:49:30,159 --> 00:49:32,360
championship status again, I'll just do it.

1146
00:49:32,400 --> 00:49:34,960
Speaker 4: I just I know that Jack is not on my level.

1147
00:49:35,000 --> 00:49:37,000
Speaker 5: I know I'm a way better fighter, so it really

1148
00:49:37,000 --> 00:49:39,039
doesn't It doesn't matter whether.

1149
00:49:38,840 --> 00:49:39,800
Speaker 4: Fight's gonna take place.

1150
00:49:39,840 --> 00:49:42,039
Speaker 5: I just I know that I'm way better, you know,

1151
00:49:42,159 --> 00:49:44,599
with you Like I said I said earlier. You know,

1152
00:49:44,679 --> 00:49:46,920
it's a different interviews. Like, man, you can check my resume,

1153
00:49:47,079 --> 00:49:48,639
check what I did, you know. I mean, yeah, I

1154
00:49:48,639 --> 00:49:51,760
had two bad performances. But listen, I just know that

1155
00:49:51,840 --> 00:49:54,239
Jack is just he's not on my levels, know where

1156
00:49:54,280 --> 00:49:56,079
close to being on my level, So it doesn't matter.

1157
00:49:56,159 --> 00:49:58,679
Speaker 4: Yet they have the you know, the hometown stuff going on.

1158
00:49:58,760 --> 00:50:01,480
Speaker 5: But for me, listen, I think that makes me hungry,

1159
00:50:01,480 --> 00:50:03,360
and I know that people kind of write me up.

1160
00:50:03,360 --> 00:50:05,280
But it's a good thing for me, you know, because

1161
00:50:05,280 --> 00:50:06,480
I'm a shock everybody.

1162
00:50:07,039 --> 00:50:10,199
Speaker 2: All Right. So he beat Josh Taylor by a very

1163
00:50:10,199 --> 00:50:12,360
clear decision in his last fight that took place in May.

1164
00:50:12,960 --> 00:50:15,199
A lot most people think he won the first fight,

1165
00:50:15,920 --> 00:50:17,639
so it should have two wins against and that was

1166
00:50:17,639 --> 00:50:20,000
the split decision that he suffered. The loss in the

1167
00:50:20,119 --> 00:50:24,039
undisputed title fight back in twenty twenty two. You lost

1168
00:50:24,079 --> 00:50:27,000
a really close, outstanding fight to Josh Taylor in a

1169
00:50:27,039 --> 00:50:29,239
two thing, like I said in the twenty nineteen unification.

1170
00:50:29,840 --> 00:50:31,639
So I always wonder like how fighters sort of view

1171
00:50:31,719 --> 00:50:34,239
this does the fact that he beat Taylor most people

1172
00:50:34,320 --> 00:50:37,039
think twice you lost to him, all be it very close?

1173
00:50:37,360 --> 00:50:40,079
Now you're fighting him, Does that mean anything? The fact

1174
00:50:40,079 --> 00:50:41,360
that he beat that guy and he.

1175
00:50:41,360 --> 00:50:45,320
Speaker 5: Didn't absolutely no. Styles makes fights. You know, styles may fights.

1176
00:50:45,320 --> 00:50:47,920
Speaker 4: You know, Dan, you've been in boxing for a long time.

1177
00:50:48,119 --> 00:50:51,000
Speaker 5: That doesn't That absolutely means absolutely nothing at all.

1178
00:50:51,039 --> 00:50:53,679
Speaker 4: Styles make fights. That doesn't matter. He might just have

1179
00:50:53,880 --> 00:50:55,760
Taylor's number, that's all, you know, That's all.

1180
00:50:55,760 --> 00:50:58,159
Speaker 5: But he's he's not gonna have my number. So now

1181
00:50:58,199 --> 00:51:00,199
it's just it's a styles make fights type of thing.

1182
00:51:00,239 --> 00:51:01,519
That's just how that's how it goes.

1183
00:51:01,840 --> 00:51:04,840
Speaker 2: So did you ever watch the fight, well, I guess

1184
00:51:04,840 --> 00:51:06,719
the last fight that he had in May, but you

1185
00:51:06,880 --> 00:51:09,039
did you watch that fight and did you think did

1186
00:51:09,039 --> 00:51:10,559
you watch the first fight that was the one that

1187
00:51:10,599 --> 00:51:12,119
caused so much controversy and if something?

1188
00:51:12,320 --> 00:51:15,440
Speaker 5: I think I thought that first fight, the first fight,

1189
00:51:15,480 --> 00:51:16,519
I thought he won that fight.

1190
00:51:16,800 --> 00:51:18,760
Speaker 4: The second fight it was closer. You know, I'm not

1191
00:51:18,800 --> 00:51:19,760
gonna say he won of those.

1192
00:51:19,800 --> 00:51:22,239
Speaker 5: He obviously won to fight, but it was a it

1193
00:51:22,280 --> 00:51:23,679
was a it was a I felt like it was

1194
00:51:23,679 --> 00:51:24,519
a closer.

1195
00:51:24,199 --> 00:51:25,239
Speaker 4: Fight for the second fight.

1196
00:51:25,360 --> 00:51:27,920
Speaker 5: But it's just like you kind of you kind of old.

1197
00:51:28,000 --> 00:51:29,559
He was like, you kind of have to give it

1198
00:51:29,599 --> 00:51:31,239
to him, But I mean it was it was a

1199
00:51:31,280 --> 00:51:31,719
close fight.

1200
00:51:31,760 --> 00:51:33,639
Speaker 4: I think Taylor first the action more. I go. Bob

1201
00:51:33,760 --> 00:51:35,400
was pissed, you know, he got the ring.

1202
00:51:35,480 --> 00:51:38,239
Speaker 5: He said that, you know, they Taylor really wont to fight,

1203
00:51:38,239 --> 00:51:39,840
and it was it was a it was a way

1204
00:51:39,840 --> 00:51:42,320
closer fight than the first fight. Now, but I do

1205
00:51:42,400 --> 00:51:44,599
think that he deserved that win because.

1206
00:51:44,320 --> 00:51:45,159
Speaker 4: He won the first one.

1207
00:51:46,280 --> 00:51:48,360
Speaker 2: Now, I know, you got the fight obviously that you

1208
00:51:48,400 --> 00:51:50,440
got to deal with Caterroll and in front of you,

1209
00:51:50,719 --> 00:51:52,800
and we're talking a little bit about his performance against Taylor.

1210
00:51:52,800 --> 00:51:55,079
You had your fight against Taylor, and down the road,

1211
00:51:55,119 --> 00:51:57,639
whatever happens in this fight, win, loser, draw, Do you

1212
00:51:57,639 --> 00:51:59,039
have it in your back of your mind that someday

1213
00:51:59,039 --> 00:52:00,599
you'd like to do it again with Josh Hail There

1214
00:52:00,679 --> 00:52:02,000
was such a great fight the first time. It was

1215
00:52:02,000 --> 00:52:05,880
so competitive, big stakes unification fight. It seems to me

1216
00:52:05,920 --> 00:52:07,840
that at some point for both of you guys, it

1217
00:52:07,920 --> 00:52:08,559
might make sense.

1218
00:52:09,440 --> 00:52:11,960
Speaker 5: Man, it depends, you know, it depends on you know,

1219
00:52:12,000 --> 00:52:13,119
what happens, what goes on.

1220
00:52:13,199 --> 00:52:15,760
Speaker 4: Like for me, my goal is to be a champion again.

1221
00:52:15,840 --> 00:52:16,199
That's it.

1222
00:52:16,280 --> 00:52:19,400
Speaker 5: So if Josh Taylor happens to become a champion, of

1223
00:52:19,400 --> 00:52:21,559
course I welcome that. I definitely all If they tell

1224
00:52:21,639 --> 00:52:24,400
me after this, listen, you fight Jos Tailor, then you

1225
00:52:24,760 --> 00:52:26,519
then you fight for the belt, then yeah, it's cool,

1226
00:52:26,559 --> 00:52:27,679
we'll fight Joss Taylor again.

1227
00:52:27,719 --> 00:52:30,360
Speaker 4: But for me, it's it's not even an it's not

1228
00:52:30,440 --> 00:52:31,119
no more names.

1229
00:52:31,159 --> 00:52:32,400
Speaker 5: It's just like I want I want to be a

1230
00:52:32,400 --> 00:52:34,159
three time champion. That's something one of my I was

1231
00:52:34,199 --> 00:52:36,239
dal behind that lead who was a three time champion, and.

1232
00:52:36,199 --> 00:52:37,719
Speaker 4: That's something I want to do. I want to become

1233
00:52:37,760 --> 00:52:38,360
a three time.

1234
00:52:38,320 --> 00:52:41,239
Speaker 5: Champion and after that then I'll figure out what's going on.

1235
00:52:41,320 --> 00:52:44,000
Speaker 4: So whatever leads me and that in that direction, that's

1236
00:52:44,039 --> 00:52:44,920
the direction I go in.

1237
00:52:45,559 --> 00:52:47,280
Speaker 2: So a lot of times when we have these fights

1238
00:52:47,320 --> 00:52:49,719
that come up, a lot of discussion turns toward if

1239
00:52:49,760 --> 00:52:51,920
one guy is a right handed fighter, one guy's at

1240
00:52:51,920 --> 00:52:55,400
south paw, it's not usually the most comfortable or normal thing,

1241
00:52:55,480 --> 00:52:57,079
let's say, for the righty to be facing the lefty.

1242
00:52:57,320 --> 00:53:00,360
In this particular case, you and Jacker Bo South both

1243
00:53:00,440 --> 00:53:02,960
left handed fighters, and most of your fights are against

1244
00:53:03,000 --> 00:53:04,800
right handed fighters. So I always wonder when I'm talking

1245
00:53:04,800 --> 00:53:06,920
to the lefty, how is it to go in with

1246
00:53:07,000 --> 00:53:09,480
another lefty? Does it? Does? Its?

1247
00:53:10,519 --> 00:53:10,840
Speaker 4: Not me?

1248
00:53:10,920 --> 00:53:12,519
Speaker 5: If you look at most of my fight they've been

1249
00:53:13,039 --> 00:53:14,800
most of my fights been a lot of my fights

1250
00:53:14,800 --> 00:53:17,320
been left handed fighters. You know, you starting, you know,

1251
00:53:18,039 --> 00:53:20,039
if you look at people just at the time of hey,

1252
00:53:20,159 --> 00:53:24,159
you look at like Aango Ivan rid Cash, Jose paid the.

1253
00:53:25,960 --> 00:53:27,880
Speaker 4: Town of McKenna. We both sharding ring with him.

1254
00:53:27,920 --> 00:53:29,880
Speaker 5: Josh here, you know I named five people just now

1255
00:53:29,960 --> 00:53:33,119
that's all left handed fighters, you know, so nah, it's yeah,

1256
00:53:33,239 --> 00:53:36,920
I mean no, I don't feel untucked at all. All right.

1257
00:53:36,960 --> 00:53:39,000
Speaker 2: Well, you mentioned before, by the way, that you said,

1258
00:53:39,159 --> 00:53:41,400
you know, you had a couple of tough fights. Uh

1259
00:53:41,480 --> 00:53:44,639
in the most recent past. Uh. Yeah, the split decision

1260
00:53:44,679 --> 00:53:46,599
where you won the fight at home in New Orleans

1261
00:53:46,599 --> 00:53:49,400
against den Alito's area. But even you know that was

1262
00:53:49,400 --> 00:53:52,320
in defense of your title back in June of twenty

1263
00:53:52,400 --> 00:53:54,840
twenty three. But even you admitted that was not a

1264
00:53:54,840 --> 00:53:56,960
good performance. I mean, you know that everybody that watch

1265
00:53:57,000 --> 00:53:59,719
it knows that you did get the victory. Uh. And

1266
00:53:59,760 --> 00:54:02,559
then the next fight that was the loss to Devin

1267
00:54:02,559 --> 00:54:05,760
Haney where you lost the belt in December. You know

1268
00:54:06,079 --> 00:54:09,280
you got shut out, you got knocked down. How how

1269
00:54:09,519 --> 00:54:11,360
I mean those are those are a lot of guys.

1270
00:54:11,360 --> 00:54:13,280
It's hard to recover from those types of performances in

1271
00:54:13,280 --> 00:54:16,360
a row. But how big of it is not only

1272
00:54:16,440 --> 00:54:17,639
for you to go in there and do your thing

1273
00:54:17,639 --> 00:54:20,199
against Catterroll, but to do it in at least somewhat

1274
00:54:20,239 --> 00:54:22,440
impressive manager show. Hey, listen, you know what, I went

1275
00:54:22,440 --> 00:54:23,880
through my rough patch, but I'm still one of the

1276
00:54:23,880 --> 00:54:26,039
top fighters at one hundred and forty pounds.

1277
00:54:26,519 --> 00:54:28,679
Speaker 5: Right, that's and that's exactly what I'm coming prove. You know,

1278
00:54:28,679 --> 00:54:30,320
I want to I want to just like erase it,

1279
00:54:30,360 --> 00:54:32,000
and I know I can. I know I am, you know,

1280
00:54:32,079 --> 00:54:34,719
like I'm back in the gym and I'm.

1281
00:54:34,519 --> 00:54:36,159
Speaker 4: Just being me again. That's the thing. You know, I

1282
00:54:36,239 --> 00:54:37,360
was boil in the gym to day.

1283
00:54:37,199 --> 00:54:39,000
Speaker 5: And I mean my train was like, man, that's the

1284
00:54:39,000 --> 00:54:41,760
old regions. You're looking like the old regions, and that's

1285
00:54:41,800 --> 00:54:43,719
how I want to come. And I feel like, yeah,

1286
00:54:43,679 --> 00:54:45,559
I had a lot of stuff going on, you know,

1287
00:54:46,800 --> 00:54:49,039
management issues and all kinds of stuff like that. Just

1288
00:54:49,119 --> 00:54:51,280
it was just too much going on on my plate

1289
00:54:51,280 --> 00:54:53,199
that I had to think about. Now it's just like

1290
00:54:53,239 --> 00:54:54,519
it's all I think about.

1291
00:54:54,280 --> 00:54:57,559
Speaker 4: Is back to boxing. I actually changed some things up

1292
00:54:57,599 --> 00:54:59,599
in my team as far as like management wise, and

1293
00:54:59,679 --> 00:55:00,679
they're take care of that.

1294
00:55:00,760 --> 00:55:02,760
Speaker 5: But at that time, you know, I don't know if

1295
00:55:02,800 --> 00:55:04,400
we spoke back in the day a few like a

1296
00:55:04,480 --> 00:55:05,039
year ago or.

1297
00:55:04,960 --> 00:55:07,000
Speaker 4: Something like that, but I was I was mad. I

1298
00:55:07,039 --> 00:55:09,280
was self managing myself. I was doing everything myself.

1299
00:55:09,679 --> 00:55:12,440
Speaker 5: And you know, at that time, I remember doing interviews

1300
00:55:12,480 --> 00:55:15,000
with people and like you you manage yourself, and and

1301
00:55:15,039 --> 00:55:17,039
I thought that, yeah, I could do this, and I

1302
00:55:17,039 --> 00:55:19,480
didn't need a manager, but I feel like, yeah, now

1303
00:55:19,599 --> 00:55:21,159
I know that I do need to measure that is

1304
00:55:21,199 --> 00:55:24,880
an important job because they take everything off. They take

1305
00:55:24,920 --> 00:55:26,760
everything off your plate. So now all I do is

1306
00:55:26,760 --> 00:55:27,519
focus on fighting.

1307
00:55:27,559 --> 00:55:28,079
Speaker 4: I don't have to.

1308
00:55:28,039 --> 00:55:31,559
Speaker 5: Focus on nothing else. And now I just focus on boxing.

1309
00:55:31,639 --> 00:55:33,400
So yeah, I think for me it was like a

1310
00:55:33,440 --> 00:55:35,679
mental thing. Physically, I can still do all the stuff.

1311
00:55:35,880 --> 00:55:38,679
I still that's the thing. Boxing is more mental than physically,

1312
00:55:38,800 --> 00:55:39,599
and physically I.

1313
00:55:39,480 --> 00:55:40,920
Speaker 4: Still do all the stuff.

1314
00:55:41,000 --> 00:55:43,360
Speaker 5: I mean, it's a it's a pointing time where you

1315
00:55:43,360 --> 00:55:46,280
have to be with yourself and can you still do this?

1316
00:55:46,320 --> 00:55:47,039
Speaker 4: Can you still do it?

1317
00:55:47,079 --> 00:55:50,079
Speaker 5: And in a gym, I mean I'm looking I know,

1318
00:55:50,159 --> 00:55:51,239
I'm looking real good.

1319
00:55:51,320 --> 00:55:52,360
Speaker 4: I mean I can't leak my.

1320
00:55:52,280 --> 00:55:54,840
Speaker 5: Spartan stuff like that, but I'm looking super good. I'm like,

1321
00:55:55,280 --> 00:55:59,039
I'm real fast, I'm strong, I can still hear all

1322
00:55:59,079 --> 00:56:01,679
everything is still So it's all so I know it

1323
00:56:01,719 --> 00:56:03,800
was all a mental Thingking and my coaches they'll be honest,

1324
00:56:03,840 --> 00:56:05,480
and all my people around me they'll be honest with

1325
00:56:05,519 --> 00:56:06,559
They're like, goddamn, like.

1326
00:56:06,519 --> 00:56:08,599
Speaker 4: You looking, man, You're looking so good.

1327
00:56:08,639 --> 00:56:10,800
Speaker 5: Like I've been looking like real real sweet in the

1328
00:56:10,840 --> 00:56:13,760
gym right now, So I know all that stuff was

1329
00:56:13,800 --> 00:56:14,599
a mental tank.

1330
00:56:14,639 --> 00:56:15,480
Speaker 4: About a mental thing.

1331
00:56:15,599 --> 00:56:17,599
Speaker 5: So like now it's just like, you know, getting back

1332
00:56:17,639 --> 00:56:19,400
to being that's the main thing. Get back to being

1333
00:56:19,440 --> 00:56:20,559
Regions program, that's.

1334
00:56:20,400 --> 00:56:21,039
Speaker 4: What I need to do.

1335
00:56:21,760 --> 00:56:24,920
Speaker 2: So when you lose the way you did against Devin Haney,

1336
00:56:25,360 --> 00:56:28,679
I mean you'd have to wonder. I understand a guy loses,

1337
00:56:28,679 --> 00:56:30,639
You got stuff going on outside during like you mentioned,

1338
00:56:30,679 --> 00:56:32,639
maybe some of it's mental, and you were busy trying

1339
00:56:32,639 --> 00:56:34,519
to be a manager and a fighter and all that together.

1340
00:56:35,360 --> 00:56:38,320
But when you don't win around it would cause one

1341
00:56:38,360 --> 00:56:41,599
to maybe questions say, hey, you know, you know, I

1342
00:56:41,639 --> 00:56:43,920
need to assess that performance. You talk about being you know,

1343
00:56:44,679 --> 00:56:46,920
you know, in your top level in the gym, getting

1344
00:56:46,920 --> 00:56:49,440
ready for this fight, But what the heck happened against Hani?

1345
00:56:49,639 --> 00:56:51,519
It's one thing, It's one thing to lose the fight regis,

1346
00:56:51,599 --> 00:56:54,719
you know, but to frankly not compete to kind of

1347
00:56:54,719 --> 00:56:55,440
a different mix.

1348
00:56:55,519 --> 00:56:59,000
Speaker 4: Would I know, I wasn't me. I just wasn't meet

1349
00:56:59,000 --> 00:57:01,199
at night. What happens, I don't know, and I can't.

1350
00:57:01,199 --> 00:57:02,760
I still can't tell people what happened.

1351
00:57:02,800 --> 00:57:04,559
Speaker 5: I just I feel like I definitely felt like I

1352
00:57:05,079 --> 00:57:08,199
wasn't meet. I'm not I wasn't reaching program. I didn't

1353
00:57:08,199 --> 00:57:10,280
do it, and I didn't do the things even in

1354
00:57:10,360 --> 00:57:12,039
campus stuff like that lead up to the fight.

1355
00:57:12,440 --> 00:57:14,039
Speaker 4: I let a lot of hype get to my head,

1356
00:57:14,079 --> 00:57:17,000
and I just the main thing, you know, long story short,

1357
00:57:17,119 --> 00:57:17,760
I just wasn't mean.

1358
00:57:17,840 --> 00:57:19,719
Speaker 5: I can I can go on about what happened in

1359
00:57:19,800 --> 00:57:21,679
camp and what happened out of camp, but you know,

1360
00:57:21,719 --> 00:57:22,719
we don't have time for that.

1361
00:57:22,760 --> 00:57:24,599
Speaker 2: I just was Have you ever gone back and watched

1362
00:57:24,599 --> 00:57:28,159
that fight? Nope, okay watching, Yeah.

1363
00:57:28,039 --> 00:57:31,039
Speaker 5: Didn't watch it because I know that that person that

1364
00:57:31,119 --> 00:57:31,920
was fighting it wasn't me.

1365
00:57:31,960 --> 00:57:34,239
Speaker 4: Even in a ring that night. I didn't feel like.

1366
00:57:34,280 --> 00:57:35,920
I just felt like I wasn't me at all. So

1367
00:57:35,960 --> 00:57:37,639
it's like, why would I watch something that's not me?

1368
00:57:37,960 --> 00:57:40,079
You know, it doesn't It really doesn't make sense at all.

1369
00:57:40,199 --> 00:57:43,039
Speaker 2: So I asked that because I'll go back a little ways.

1370
00:57:43,079 --> 00:57:45,320
I remember having an interview many years ago with the

1371
00:57:45,320 --> 00:57:48,559
great heavyweight cham Vladimir Klitchko, who, on the worst night

1372
00:57:48,559 --> 00:57:51,920
of his life, got absolutely uh embarrassed by Layman Brewster

1373
00:57:52,000 --> 00:57:54,360
in an a vacant heavyweight championship fight, and he was

1374
00:57:54,360 --> 00:57:57,360
telling me he's watching all these films getting ready for fights.

1375
00:57:57,360 --> 00:57:59,119
I asked him what he's watching. I thought he's watching like,

1376
00:57:59,159 --> 00:58:01,599
you know, Joe Lewis fights or Muhammad Ali fights or

1377
00:58:01,599 --> 00:58:03,840
this that He's like, No, I'm watching myself get beat

1378
00:58:03,880 --> 00:58:06,920
by Limn Brewster. Because you never wanted to forget what happened.

1379
00:58:06,920 --> 00:58:08,639
So that's why I asked that about going back to

1380
00:58:08,679 --> 00:58:11,800
watch a loss. Yeah, did you ever think about that

1381
00:58:11,880 --> 00:58:14,440
as aspect of it to maybe like I'm thinking about.

1382
00:58:14,239 --> 00:58:17,199
Speaker 5: It now, Hey, I might go watch it. Wait the

1383
00:58:17,280 --> 00:58:19,880
way you say it, so I might take a page

1384
00:58:19,880 --> 00:58:20,440
of that book.

1385
00:58:20,440 --> 00:58:22,159
Speaker 4: I might, I might go through I might go watch it.

1386
00:58:22,239 --> 00:58:23,719
Speaker 2: Yeah, he said, you listen, I don't ever want to

1387
00:58:23,719 --> 00:58:25,159
forget how I tell that night. So I'm going to

1388
00:58:25,320 --> 00:58:27,599
keep watching that, and you know it'll motivate me when

1389
00:58:27,599 --> 00:58:29,440
I go into my next fight. So I don't perform

1390
00:58:29,519 --> 00:58:31,800
like that again. And frankly, he never did perform again

1391
00:58:31,880 --> 00:58:34,320
like that. All right, Well, so I just want to

1392
00:58:34,360 --> 00:58:35,679
wrap up with this. Then. You know, I'm not big

1393
00:58:35,679 --> 00:58:38,000
into like boxing cliches. I'm sure you've heard them all,

1394
00:58:38,920 --> 00:58:41,360
but coming off of that type of defeat and now

1395
00:58:41,440 --> 00:58:43,079
being back in a big spot like you mentioned, this

1396
00:58:43,119 --> 00:58:44,719
is probably on paper, one of the best fights you

1397
00:58:44,719 --> 00:58:46,559
can make in the weight class that's not in one

1398
00:58:46,559 --> 00:58:49,639
of the championship fights. And so for you to go

1399
00:58:50,000 --> 00:58:53,159
into this fight off of that, like again, not to

1400
00:58:53,159 --> 00:58:55,280
be into the cliches, but how much do you view

1401
00:58:55,280 --> 00:58:57,760
it as a quote unquote must win in terms of,

1402
00:58:57,800 --> 00:58:59,480
you know, advancing your career to get back to that

1403
00:58:59,559 --> 00:59:00,880
level where you want to be a champigain.

1404
00:59:02,480 --> 00:59:04,079
Speaker 4: For me, I just know I'm gonna win. It's not

1405
00:59:04,119 --> 00:59:05,840
even like I don't want to put the pressure on

1406
00:59:05,880 --> 00:59:07,840
myself to be like, oh, it's a must win and

1407
00:59:07,880 --> 00:59:09,320
this and that, and.

1408
00:59:08,960 --> 00:59:11,199
Speaker 5: Like I said, it's the same, you know, if I

1409
00:59:11,199 --> 00:59:12,920
want to get to that pressure. It's the same thing

1410
00:59:13,000 --> 00:59:15,599
with like with the Haney stuff, like oh I have

1411
00:59:15,679 --> 00:59:17,000
to do this, I have to do this, and then.

1412
00:59:17,000 --> 00:59:18,639
Speaker 4: Like I compete it terribly because I let all that

1413
00:59:18,679 --> 00:59:20,960
pressure get through my head. I box just because I

1414
00:59:21,000 --> 00:59:22,159
love it. You know, you have to.

1415
00:59:22,519 --> 00:59:24,280
Speaker 5: You have to just enjoy the sport. You have to

1416
00:59:24,480 --> 00:59:26,360
That's that's and that's what I'm doing. I'm getting back

1417
00:59:26,360 --> 00:59:29,000
to just enjoying. I get back to I remember last camp,

1418
00:59:29,079 --> 00:59:30,880
you know where Haiti I was going as farn and

1419
00:59:31,719 --> 00:59:33,400
I you know, I just get I put so much

1420
00:59:33,400 --> 00:59:35,039
pressure on myself to do this and do this and

1421
00:59:35,079 --> 00:59:36,840
do this, and now like I'm just in the gym

1422
00:59:36,960 --> 00:59:38,679
just having fun, and that's what I do for I

1423
00:59:38,719 --> 00:59:39,000
do it.

1424
00:59:39,039 --> 00:59:42,079
Speaker 4: I literally just box because I just enjoy it.

1425
00:59:42,119 --> 00:59:45,239
Speaker 5: I really have fun boxing and that's it, and that's

1426
00:59:45,280 --> 00:59:46,400
what I you know, that's the.

1427
00:59:46,360 --> 00:59:47,039
Speaker 4: Main thing I want to do.

1428
00:59:47,119 --> 00:59:49,840
Speaker 5: Go out there, enjoy myself and like the thing is

1429
00:59:49,880 --> 00:59:52,360
like live be in the moment, Be present in that moment.

1430
00:59:52,400 --> 00:59:54,400
Speaker 4: Don't think about you know, the past, don't think about

1431
00:59:54,400 --> 00:59:55,360
the future.

1432
00:59:55,519 --> 00:59:58,280
Speaker 5: Just be present right in that moment. And that's kind

1433
00:59:58,280 --> 00:59:59,480
of what I want to do. And that's kind of

1434
00:59:59,480 --> 01:00:01,880
what I've been doing, you know, like I said, just

1435
01:00:01,920 --> 01:00:05,719
trained spar and all that, just having fun.

1436
01:00:05,639 --> 01:00:06,679
Speaker 4: In being back to Viet Me.

1437
01:00:07,599 --> 01:00:09,519
Speaker 2: Well, I'm going to look forward to watching you back

1438
01:00:09,559 --> 01:00:13,079
to be and you come October twenty six against Jack Catterall. Regis,

1439
01:00:13,119 --> 01:00:15,400
thank you very much for your time. I appreciate it

1440
01:00:15,400 --> 01:00:17,039
and I certainly wish you the best luck in the fight.

1441
01:00:17,760 --> 01:00:18,280
Speaker 4: Thank you Mann.

1442
01:00:18,400 --> 01:00:21,519
Speaker 1: Thank you all right again, that is a main event

1443
01:00:21,599 --> 01:00:26,000
coming this Saturday. I always ask you about your thoughts

1444
01:00:26,079 --> 01:00:28,280
wrapping it up here. You were getting the chance to

1445
01:00:28,320 --> 01:00:29,119
see him, et cetera.

1446
01:00:29,199 --> 01:00:32,800
Speaker 2: What about it, Listen, Regis understands that this is a

1447
01:00:32,880 --> 01:00:35,519
must win type of fight, has no fear about going

1448
01:00:35,559 --> 01:00:37,199
back to the UK to do this fight. He's fighting

1449
01:00:37,199 --> 01:00:40,079
in Manchester, England, which is Jack Catterall's home era. You know,

1450
01:00:40,119 --> 01:00:42,719
he's from probably a town about thirty minutes from there.

1451
01:00:43,320 --> 01:00:45,719
The last time that, you know, the one of the

1452
01:00:45,719 --> 01:00:47,880
other losses, the only well he's coming off the loss

1453
01:00:47,880 --> 01:00:51,079
against Devin Hainey. That was a miserable performance. He acknowledges

1454
01:00:51,079 --> 01:00:53,599
how bad that was. He lost every single second, every

1455
01:00:53,599 --> 01:00:55,280
single round. But the only other loss that he took

1456
01:00:55,559 --> 01:00:57,719
was in twenty nineteen, a majority decision that a lot

1457
01:00:57,719 --> 01:00:59,960
of people thought he won in a really outstanding fight.

1458
01:01:00,039 --> 01:01:02,280
That was the unified belts in this Way class. That

1459
01:01:02,480 --> 01:01:06,199
was in London. Now Josh of course is not from England,

1460
01:01:06,239 --> 01:01:09,559
He's from Scotland. But still it's the UK and it's

1461
01:01:09,320 --> 01:01:11,880
the whole British scene, and you know, it was a

1462
01:01:11,880 --> 01:01:13,480
home It wasn't away game for him, let's put it

1463
01:01:13,519 --> 01:01:15,360
like that. So but fearless to go back, So I

1464
01:01:15,400 --> 01:01:17,360
respect reagis a lot for that. He's a you know,

1465
01:01:17,440 --> 01:01:19,880
people can hear him talk. He's always been one of

1466
01:01:19,960 --> 01:01:22,679
my favorite guys to interview. Just gives you, I believe,

1467
01:01:22,719 --> 01:01:28,119
honest answers, h doesn't doesn't make you know, excuses about stuff,

1468
01:01:28,119 --> 01:01:29,960
and just keeps it real. So, you know, good luck

1469
01:01:30,000 --> 01:01:32,639
to him. This should be a pretty interesting fight. You

1470
01:01:32,679 --> 01:01:34,920
made the point that it's not it's a non title fight, yes,

1471
01:01:35,480 --> 01:01:37,840
but you know, I call it a de facto eliminator.

1472
01:01:38,199 --> 01:01:39,519
You know, it's not that the winner is going to

1473
01:01:39,599 --> 01:01:43,119
be automatically mandatory for a title fight, but the guy

1474
01:01:43,119 --> 01:01:46,639
who wins is going to have put together a solid

1475
01:01:46,679 --> 01:01:49,440
victory on their record, And especially if you're Jack Catterau,

1476
01:01:49,719 --> 01:01:52,119
you're coming off of now what would be too significant

1477
01:01:52,119 --> 01:01:55,559
wins in a row. You have beating Regis h next Saturday,

1478
01:01:56,000 --> 01:01:58,840
and you'll have also had your vengeance against Josh Taylor

1479
01:01:58,840 --> 01:02:01,360
in that controversy. And for Regis, it's a way to

1480
01:02:01,360 --> 01:02:03,480
get back at an action. So you know, he's confident

1481
01:02:03,559 --> 01:02:05,320
and I'm looking forward to watching the fight.

1482
01:02:06,599 --> 01:02:07,039
Speaker 3: Very good.

1483
01:02:07,119 --> 01:02:09,800
Speaker 1: Let's move on to some news and some nostalgia before

1484
01:02:09,840 --> 01:02:14,159
we are done. Jarrell Miller, your boy has a very

1485
01:02:14,199 --> 01:02:16,559
interesting possible opponent here.

1486
01:02:16,599 --> 01:02:20,480
Speaker 3: What are you hearing you you're working your sources in

1487
01:02:20,519 --> 01:02:21,079
your network.

1488
01:02:21,079 --> 01:02:24,400
Speaker 1: What are we hearing about Jirell Big Baby Miller and

1489
01:02:24,480 --> 01:02:25,239
his next fight.

1490
01:02:25,840 --> 01:02:28,000
Speaker 2: Well, there's a very good chance it's probably gonna happen.

1491
01:02:28,039 --> 01:02:30,119
They're in the in the I can't say they're putting

1492
01:02:30,119 --> 01:02:32,599
pens to paper, but they're getting all the particulars worked out.

1493
01:02:33,239 --> 01:02:35,039
And I have been told that by multiple people that

1494
01:02:35,039 --> 01:02:40,039
can against Yeah, sorry, directly involved with this fight would

1495
01:02:40,039 --> 01:02:43,000
be Miller against the Sora. It would be a Queensberry card.

1496
01:02:43,039 --> 01:02:46,159
It would take place probably in Manchester, England. They're looking

1497
01:02:46,199 --> 01:02:49,039
at either the last Saturday of January or early part

1498
01:02:49,039 --> 01:02:49,679
of February.

1499
01:02:50,039 --> 01:02:50,159
Speaker 5: Uh.

1500
01:02:50,320 --> 01:02:53,400
Speaker 2: And in terms of the heavyweight division, look, all these

1501
01:02:53,400 --> 01:02:55,400
heavyweights are fighting each other and everybody's got to kind

1502
01:02:55,400 --> 01:02:58,880
of stay active. In terms of Big Baby Miller, you

1503
01:02:58,880 --> 01:03:01,440
know he is coming off of the raw split Raw

1504
01:03:01,480 --> 01:03:03,679
against Andy Ruiz and what was a good fight that

1505
01:03:03,679 --> 01:03:06,119
took place on the RIAT season card in Los Angeles

1506
01:03:06,400 --> 01:03:10,559
that was in August. You have Chasa who's kind of

1507
01:03:10,559 --> 01:03:13,280
been I can't say he's reborn, but for a guy

1508
01:03:13,320 --> 01:03:15,440
that people were saying should retire even though he's forty

1509
01:03:15,480 --> 01:03:16,679
years old, and it has been a lot of wars,

1510
01:03:17,280 --> 01:03:19,400
here's the thing, he's actually won two decisions in a

1511
01:03:19,480 --> 01:03:22,960
row against like pretty decent, like hype opponents. I mean,

1512
01:03:23,000 --> 01:03:25,599
he beat Gerald Washington, not a great fighter, but a

1513
01:03:25,639 --> 01:03:28,199
guy that had fought for the heavyweight title against Deontay Wilder,

1514
01:03:28,679 --> 01:03:30,519
and he has to win. In his last fight that

1515
01:03:30,559 --> 01:03:33,320
took place this past summer, he upset Joe Joyce. So

1516
01:03:33,639 --> 01:03:35,639
he got one guy who did what he did with

1517
01:03:35,679 --> 01:03:40,159
Andy Ruiz and had given a very competent performance even

1518
01:03:40,159 --> 01:03:43,119
though he lost in the stoppage against dubois In Miller.

1519
01:03:43,400 --> 01:03:46,239
He got the fan favorite Chessaura coming off the two

1520
01:03:46,239 --> 01:03:48,599
wins I just mentioned, and they're gonna put him together.

1521
01:03:48,639 --> 01:03:50,440
And you know, listen, the guy that wins that fight

1522
01:03:50,519 --> 01:03:52,960
is going to probably find himself as the b side

1523
01:03:52,960 --> 01:03:56,000
of some other good heavyweight fight in and among all

1524
01:03:56,000 --> 01:03:58,199
these different heavyweights that we've seen on these reat season

1525
01:03:58,280 --> 01:04:02,400
cards over the past year. So, uh, you know, that

1526
01:04:02,440 --> 01:04:06,440
will be a fight that doesn't have huge stakes in

1527
01:04:06,519 --> 01:04:08,679
the title hunt, but the winner is going to get

1528
01:04:08,719 --> 01:04:11,679
another significant fight out of it. And more importantly, you

1529
01:04:11,719 --> 01:04:13,800
know what, it's going to be a fun fight. Let's

1530
01:04:13,840 --> 01:04:14,800
be honest, you know that's gonna be.

1531
01:04:14,760 --> 01:04:16,559
Speaker 3: A fun A lot of mystery. Those two are gonna

1532
01:04:16,559 --> 01:04:17,119
probably and.

1533
01:04:17,079 --> 01:04:19,960
Speaker 2: They're gonna talk shit. I means and Miller they can

1534
01:04:20,039 --> 01:04:21,880
chat and chatter like any of any like that with

1535
01:04:21,920 --> 01:04:23,239
the best of them.

1536
01:04:23,480 --> 01:04:24,360
Speaker 3: Fair enough, all right.

1537
01:04:24,440 --> 01:04:28,199
Speaker 1: Update on ji Opataiah who was just in the ring

1538
01:04:28,280 --> 01:04:31,519
recently and now a mandatory defense has been ordered for him.

1539
01:04:32,320 --> 01:04:34,400
Speaker 3: What are you hearing about? Who that is and where

1540
01:04:34,400 --> 01:04:34,719
that is?

1541
01:04:35,119 --> 01:04:36,559
Speaker 2: Yeah? So we had the fight on the on the

1542
01:04:36,599 --> 01:04:39,880
recent uh read card on the Better BF under card

1543
01:04:39,880 --> 01:04:41,679
when he defeated Dimitri b Ball and he had to

1544
01:04:41,679 --> 01:04:44,280
win against Jack Massey and now he's do the IBF

1545
01:04:44,400 --> 01:04:46,760
is ordered the mandatory defense. They just like they ordered

1546
01:04:46,920 --> 01:04:50,519
the Better BEF mandatory this past Thursday to fight Michael Eiffer.

1547
01:04:50,559 --> 01:04:52,559
But with the possibility that he can get the exception

1548
01:04:52,920 --> 01:04:54,360
if he's so asked for it to do the b

1549
01:04:54,480 --> 01:04:57,559
BO rematch. You have ji Opataiah who has been asked

1550
01:04:57,599 --> 01:04:59,880
in order to fight his mandatory challenge. A fighter from

1551
01:05:00,000 --> 01:05:04,599
Germany named Hussein Sinkara, an undefeated fighter twenty two and

1552
01:05:04,679 --> 01:05:06,320
zero with eighteen knockouts. Not a lot I Loo looked

1553
01:05:06,320 --> 01:05:08,000
at the record of the guy. Not a lot of

1554
01:05:08,320 --> 01:05:11,400
notable guys on the record. I'm not that familiar with him,

1555
01:05:12,159 --> 01:05:14,239
you know, as really a record that's kind of devoid

1556
01:05:14,280 --> 01:05:17,039
of like anybody you probably had heard of. But what

1557
01:05:17,159 --> 01:05:18,960
I was told by some people that would be involved

1558
01:05:18,960 --> 01:05:21,280
in this event is that you know, as opposed the

1559
01:05:21,320 --> 01:05:23,119
last time when they had all that back and forth

1560
01:05:23,119 --> 01:05:25,360
with the IBF and he ended up being stripped because

1561
01:05:25,719 --> 01:05:29,639
he was fighting somebody when Marius Bradest was the mandatory

1562
01:05:29,960 --> 01:05:31,880
but unavailable because of an injury, and it was just

1563
01:05:31,880 --> 01:05:33,519
one of the stupidest things in the history of the world.

1564
01:05:33,639 --> 01:05:35,159
And when they ended up fighting, he was just fighting

1565
01:05:35,199 --> 01:05:36,719
for the vacant belt that it should have just been

1566
01:05:36,760 --> 01:05:39,360
his to defend. In this case, they're not giving up

1567
01:05:39,400 --> 01:05:41,440
the title, he's not getting stripped. They're probably going to

1568
01:05:41,519 --> 01:05:43,440
go through with this mandatory and it will serve as

1569
01:05:43,440 --> 01:05:46,760
an opportunity for them to take Ji back home to Australia,

1570
01:05:47,039 --> 01:05:49,760
where he has had four consecutive fights away from Australia.

1571
01:05:50,000 --> 01:05:52,840
Has not boxed in Australia since the summer of twenty

1572
01:05:52,880 --> 01:05:54,800
twenty two, which is, by the way, when he won

1573
01:05:54,840 --> 01:05:57,000
the title in the first place in that awesome slugfest

1574
01:05:57,280 --> 01:06:00,880
in the first fight against Marius Braidest. So mandatory fight

1575
01:06:01,079 --> 01:06:04,440
that you have to do, combine with a lack of

1576
01:06:04,440 --> 01:06:06,400
having fought at home for a while, seems like the

1577
01:06:06,400 --> 01:06:08,239
perfect setup for you to be in front of your

1578
01:06:08,239 --> 01:06:11,079
home fans, make a defense and then move on, because remember,

1579
01:06:11,239 --> 01:06:13,920
he's gonna be paying awfully close attention to what happens

1580
01:06:13,960 --> 01:06:17,599
in November when Chris Billum Smith and Zerdo Ramirez fight

1581
01:06:17,599 --> 01:06:20,679
each other. Turkey Alshiet from Saudi Arabia stated on equivocally

1582
01:06:20,719 --> 01:06:22,199
he would like to see the winner of that fight

1583
01:06:22,559 --> 01:06:25,400
fight Jai Opataia, but because that's not going to be

1584
01:06:25,840 --> 01:06:28,480
right away available in terms of their schedules, probably in

1585
01:06:28,519 --> 01:06:30,800
the early part of next year, they'll see O Pataya

1586
01:06:30,920 --> 01:06:34,719
do this mandatory and then come when you know, the

1587
01:06:34,760 --> 01:06:39,119
next fight in Riad, you hopefully see Jai in the

1588
01:06:39,159 --> 01:06:41,599
in the in the unification against the winner of them

1589
01:06:41,679 --> 01:06:44,800
Smith against Zeriramera. So you know, when you're active, the

1590
01:06:44,800 --> 01:06:47,199
way he's been having this type of fight in there

1591
01:06:47,800 --> 01:06:50,719
against an undefeated opponent and he's not very accomplished, you know,

1592
01:06:50,880 --> 01:06:53,079
is not a terrible thing. You're staying active, You're you're

1593
01:06:53,679 --> 01:06:56,840
putting on a show for your probably your hometown home

1594
01:06:56,880 --> 01:06:58,960
country fans, and you know, trying to move on to

1595
01:06:59,000 --> 01:06:59,559
the bigger fight.

1596
01:07:00,679 --> 01:07:02,719
Speaker 1: All right, Moving on here, we have an update on

1597
01:07:02,760 --> 01:07:05,280
William Zappaida, who's now going to be part of this

1598
01:07:05,400 --> 01:07:09,800
Latino Night Read season card on November sixteenth. What's the

1599
01:07:09,920 --> 01:07:12,280
latest and by mine o way, there's a there's a quirk,

1600
01:07:12,679 --> 01:07:14,920
there's a quirk with this as well go ahead, but.

1601
01:07:15,039 --> 01:07:17,559
Speaker 2: They had they announced that, you know, remember if you

1602
01:07:17,679 --> 01:07:19,400
just back up for a minute. Of course, Stevenson was

1603
01:07:19,440 --> 01:07:22,679
supposed to fight against Joe Cordina on the Better BF

1604
01:07:22,719 --> 01:07:26,199
card and and then Zapeida was supposed to fight this

1605
01:07:26,239 --> 01:07:29,400
fight against Tevin Farmer, and if they both won, they

1606
01:07:29,400 --> 01:07:32,039
were fighting the mandatory fight in Saudi Arabia next year.

1607
01:07:33,639 --> 01:07:35,519
Because of course Stevens had got injured and was off

1608
01:07:35,519 --> 01:07:38,239
the show. Uh, you know, he's not going to be

1609
01:07:38,280 --> 01:07:40,880
fighting this the tune up fight so to speak, although

1610
01:07:41,039 --> 01:07:42,559
I would be you know, I don't know if I

1611
01:07:42,559 --> 01:07:44,679
would call it Joe Cordina a tune up fight, but nonetheless,

1612
01:07:44,880 --> 01:07:47,519
but but they're not going to make Zeepeida inactive. So

1613
01:07:47,559 --> 01:07:48,760
we was still going to go through and do the

1614
01:07:48,800 --> 01:07:52,360
fight with Tevin Farmer. So that fight was already signed. Uh,

1615
01:07:52,400 --> 01:07:54,320
it was set for a ten rounder at one hundred

1616
01:07:54,360 --> 01:07:56,679
and thirty six pounds, and the money was the money.

1617
01:07:56,719 --> 01:07:59,800
The budget was the budget because even though the Saudi's

1618
01:07:59,800 --> 01:08:01,599
can what they want, they actually when it comes to

1619
01:08:01,639 --> 01:08:04,440
certain undercards, they have a strict budget they abide by.

1620
01:08:04,480 --> 01:08:06,239
Now they can go over if they'd so desire, but

1621
01:08:06,280 --> 01:08:09,239
they haven't shown a desire other than like the biggest fights,

1622
01:08:09,280 --> 01:08:12,320
like the you know, undisputed Heavyweight Championship, where they're you know,

1623
01:08:12,360 --> 01:08:15,599
spending huge amounts of money. So anyway, the fight was made,

1624
01:08:15,920 --> 01:08:19,600
and my understanding is that the WBC went to the

1625
01:08:19,600 --> 01:08:22,239
teams and said, hey, listen, because of where Zipaida is

1626
01:08:22,279 --> 01:08:25,159
in the rankings, because Chakor is out with an injury,

1627
01:08:25,479 --> 01:08:28,279
that it was actually, you know, I hate the interim titles,

1628
01:08:28,600 --> 01:08:31,079
but in this particular case, it was logical because of

1629
01:08:31,119 --> 01:08:33,760
the amount of time that Chakor is gonna probably be

1630
01:08:33,800 --> 01:08:35,960
sidelined with the injury. Is the paida is the number

1631
01:08:35,960 --> 01:08:38,279
one contender. He's been waiting for the title shot. So

1632
01:08:38,319 --> 01:08:41,119
they were like, we'll make the interim title available. So

1633
01:08:41,159 --> 01:08:43,159
I was like, all right, we would do that. Now

1634
01:08:43,319 --> 01:08:45,520
they already had a contract sign to ten rounds. I

1635
01:08:45,520 --> 01:08:48,439
am told that the teven Farmer team was okay with

1636
01:08:48,479 --> 01:08:50,920
switching to weight from thirty six max to thirty five,

1637
01:08:50,920 --> 01:08:53,159
which is on the division limit, but they were not

1638
01:08:53,279 --> 01:08:55,479
willing to go from twelve from ten rounds which was

1639
01:08:55,520 --> 01:08:58,479
scheduled for to twelve rounds if he wasn't going to

1640
01:08:58,560 --> 01:09:00,960
get more money to do so.

1641
01:09:00,960 --> 01:09:03,800
Speaker 3: So hey, makes sense, makes sense.

1642
01:09:04,119 --> 01:09:06,319
Speaker 2: So now in one of the things that to me

1643
01:09:06,439 --> 01:09:10,079
is one of the craziest, most weird, bizarre things. And

1644
01:09:10,119 --> 01:09:13,319
I don't agree with this decision at all. I am

1645
01:09:13,359 --> 01:09:16,000
told that. And actually it's not even that. I'm told

1646
01:09:16,000 --> 01:09:18,760
the WBC announced this on their website and they sounded

1647
01:09:18,800 --> 01:09:22,119
like a daily email blast. They are making this fight,

1648
01:09:22,239 --> 01:09:23,760
and they didn't say it in there announcement, but I'm

1649
01:09:23,760 --> 01:09:26,199
told by the promoter it's a ten round fight. So

1650
01:09:26,279 --> 01:09:29,000
Tevin Farmer, who's coming off a loss, I might add

1651
01:09:29,079 --> 01:09:32,319
to Raymond Morettaya and Williams is the paida who is

1652
01:09:32,359 --> 01:09:36,039
a legitimate top lightweight contender. They're going to fight for

1653
01:09:36,079 --> 01:09:40,039
an interim world title in a ten rounder, which is

1654
01:09:40,119 --> 01:09:41,199
absolutely ridiculous.

1655
01:09:41,319 --> 01:09:44,319
Speaker 1: What do I keep saying to you? These organizations make

1656
01:09:44,359 --> 01:09:45,159
it up as they go.

1657
01:09:45,319 --> 01:09:47,319
Speaker 2: It's not that they make it up. If you read

1658
01:09:47,319 --> 01:09:50,319
the actual rules there is a rule at the bottom,

1659
01:09:50,359 --> 01:09:52,159
like literally, and I don't know the exact language. They

1660
01:09:52,199 --> 01:09:54,079
don't have the rules in front of me. It literally

1661
01:09:54,079 --> 01:09:56,880
will say something to the effect of note any of

1662
01:09:56,920 --> 01:09:59,039
these rules can be changed to, you know, according to

1663
01:09:59,079 --> 01:10:00,000
thank you.

1664
01:10:00,199 --> 01:10:02,439
Speaker 3: We will make it up as we go along. If

1665
01:10:02,479 --> 01:10:03,079
we see fit.

1666
01:10:03,279 --> 01:10:05,680
Speaker 2: I just think that's an't There's a.

1667
01:10:05,680 --> 01:10:09,279
Speaker 1: Lot of things anim title fight, Yeah, plays, it should

1668
01:10:09,279 --> 01:10:10,840
be twelve rounds, listen.

1669
01:10:10,880 --> 01:10:12,920
Speaker 2: There's a ton of things that I that I love

1670
01:10:12,960 --> 01:10:16,119
about the WBC that they do very well with. I

1671
01:10:16,399 --> 01:10:18,880
appreciate their efforts towards drug testing, even though it's not

1672
01:10:18,960 --> 01:10:21,560
perfect there. They have lots of great history, they have

1673
01:10:21,600 --> 01:10:25,119
great champions. Again, I have a lot of respect for

1674
01:10:25,159 --> 01:10:27,880
the people the WBC, and there's definitely things that I

1675
01:10:27,880 --> 01:10:30,520
don't agree with. And you know, even though I have

1676
01:10:30,560 --> 01:10:32,720
a very good relationship with Mariso Suliman and we talk

1677
01:10:32,760 --> 01:10:36,279
all the time, and you know, he's actually a great guy,

1678
01:10:36,800 --> 01:10:38,239
a lot of people in boxing they don't know him

1679
01:10:38,279 --> 01:10:40,680
the way I know him. But we also disagree about

1680
01:10:40,680 --> 01:10:42,000
a lot of things. Him and I had our battles

1681
01:10:42,039 --> 01:10:44,840
over the franchise Championship, for example, and I could cite

1682
01:10:44,840 --> 01:10:48,079
other things going down the slippery slope of making an

1683
01:10:48,079 --> 01:10:50,119
interim world title fight a ten rounder. I just can't

1684
01:10:50,159 --> 01:10:52,119
agree with that, but it is what it is, So

1685
01:10:52,359 --> 01:10:52,920
that's I'm just.

1686
01:10:52,920 --> 01:10:54,560
Speaker 3: One of the chances and we'll move on.

1687
01:10:54,640 --> 01:10:58,119
Speaker 1: What are the chances that they tell Tevin Farmer this

1688
01:10:58,279 --> 01:11:00,880
is a twelve round fight, or perhaps the fights and

1689
01:11:00,920 --> 01:11:03,439
jeopardy and Zipaida will fight somebody else on nobody.

1690
01:11:03,880 --> 01:11:05,239
Speaker 2: You can't do that because they are. It would be

1691
01:11:05,279 --> 01:11:07,199
a different matter if they didn't have a signed contract.

1692
01:11:07,199 --> 01:11:10,560
Speaker 1: But what what I mean the contract probably hasn't out somehow,

1693
01:11:10,600 --> 01:11:13,199
some way. What if that's I don't know if that's

1694
01:11:13,479 --> 01:11:15,840
what if that I'm just saying hypothetically, what if that's

1695
01:11:15,840 --> 01:11:18,960
the leverage point he will eject from the contract, We

1696
01:11:19,039 --> 01:11:21,560
will find somebody else and that will be the interim

1697
01:11:21,600 --> 01:11:22,159
title fight.

1698
01:11:22,439 --> 01:11:23,800
Speaker 3: Do you want to fight twelve rounds?

1699
01:11:23,800 --> 01:11:24,000
Speaker 4: Now?

1700
01:11:25,039 --> 01:11:27,079
Speaker 2: Just saying number one, I'm not sure. I'm not sure

1701
01:11:27,119 --> 01:11:29,359
if the WBC would allow that because they've already said

1702
01:11:29,399 --> 01:11:31,680
he's the guy. They have to come down the rankings,

1703
01:11:31,239 --> 01:11:34,520
you have a first bid situation or negotiation. All that

1704
01:11:34,720 --> 01:11:36,720
this was a fight. The reason why it's so quirky

1705
01:11:36,760 --> 01:11:39,239
is because the fight itself was made and signed in

1706
01:11:39,279 --> 01:11:41,760
the debt aspect that it came in after the fact,

1707
01:11:41,920 --> 01:11:44,720
and you can't have if it's not the fighter is

1708
01:11:44,760 --> 01:11:47,199
not willing to do so you can't make him change

1709
01:11:47,199 --> 01:11:49,159
the parameters what he already agreed to. I don't just

1710
01:11:49,359 --> 01:11:51,199
if they don't want to give him more money, and

1711
01:11:51,239 --> 01:11:53,000
I'm not sure how much more money he wanted. But

1712
01:11:53,560 --> 01:11:55,840
you know, it's just a very way that the upshot

1713
01:11:55,880 --> 01:11:59,039
is this, whatever the circumstances are. When you suddenly now

1714
01:11:59,039 --> 01:12:02,159
take a title file and schedule for ten rounds, it's

1715
01:12:02,159 --> 01:12:05,239
a slippery slope. What's next? Eight rounds? Six rounds? Give

1716
01:12:05,239 --> 01:12:05,920
me fucking break.

1717
01:12:06,439 --> 01:12:08,520
Speaker 1: I'm reminded of the line of Jay Leno, and it's

1718
01:12:08,560 --> 01:12:11,239
now become so long ago that it's lost its impact.

1719
01:12:11,239 --> 01:12:13,319
But when Leno and David Letterman were battling for the

1720
01:12:13,319 --> 01:12:16,479
Tonight Show and and Leno actually had it, then they

1721
01:12:16,479 --> 01:12:18,439
took it from him, and then they brought him back.

1722
01:12:18,720 --> 01:12:21,039
He actually at the media press conference when he got

1723
01:12:21,039 --> 01:12:22,760
the Tonight Show back, said it's great to be back

1724
01:12:22,760 --> 01:12:26,520
with NBC, which of course means never believe their contract.

1725
01:12:26,159 --> 01:12:27,279
Speaker 3: So they go.

1726
01:12:27,439 --> 01:12:30,039
Speaker 1: It's kind of the same thing with what we're talking

1727
01:12:30,039 --> 01:12:32,159
about here with contract law. I never believe the contract.

1728
01:12:32,920 --> 01:12:35,359
All right, anything else, we got one more item. Are

1729
01:12:35,399 --> 01:12:37,600
you going to go off again here? Or are you

1730
01:12:37,680 --> 01:12:42,039
gonna applaud the Japanese boxing Commission which applaud them? Applaud

1731
01:12:42,119 --> 01:12:44,880
them for what reason? As it relates to John Reel Casamaro.

1732
01:12:45,359 --> 01:12:48,359
Speaker 2: Okay, So, John Real Cassamaro has been a champion on

1733
01:12:48,399 --> 01:12:51,119
three different divisions, one of the better Philippine fighters over

1734
01:12:51,159 --> 01:12:52,920
the course of the last number of years. Although he's been,

1735
01:12:53,199 --> 01:12:55,399
you know, in some dreadful fights and been a dirty fighter,

1736
01:12:55,439 --> 01:12:57,119
and this and that, and you can look those things

1737
01:12:57,199 --> 01:12:59,000
up if you care to. But here's the point though.

1738
01:12:59,039 --> 01:13:01,520
On October thirteen, he was on a card that was

1739
01:13:01,840 --> 01:13:03,840
on an undercart in Yokohama, Japan. Maybe he was the

1740
01:13:03,880 --> 01:13:06,279
main event. I think he was the undercard. Anyway. He

1741
01:13:06,319 --> 01:13:08,960
fought a fighter named Sawel Sanchez. He knocked on the

1742
01:13:08,960 --> 01:13:10,960
first round. It was one hundred and twenty two pounds,

1743
01:13:11,319 --> 01:13:14,960
you know, junior featherweight fight. He did not make the

1744
01:13:15,039 --> 01:13:16,680
weight for that fight. He came in at one hundred

1745
01:13:16,680 --> 01:13:20,399
and twenty three point five pounds, And as happens in boxing, oftentimes,

1746
01:13:20,399 --> 01:13:21,960
the two sides made a deal and the fight went

1747
01:13:22,000 --> 01:13:24,119
forward and he ended up scoring a first round knock count,

1748
01:13:24,359 --> 01:13:27,239
and nothing unusual about that happens. Unfortunately all the time

1749
01:13:28,199 --> 01:13:29,840
fighters are a little bit overweight, they make a deal,

1750
01:13:29,880 --> 01:13:31,800
blah blah blah, fight goes on it. But they don't

1751
01:13:31,800 --> 01:13:34,039
fuck with that in Japan. You miss weight in Japan,

1752
01:13:34,479 --> 01:13:37,119
it's like, you know, you called someone's mom a bad name.

1753
01:13:37,439 --> 01:13:39,680
You know, you try to like, you know, you know,

1754
01:13:39,920 --> 01:13:41,640
kiss your buddy's girlfriend. I mean, you just don't do

1755
01:13:41,640 --> 01:13:44,680
stuff like that. They take making weight in Japan way

1756
01:13:44,720 --> 01:13:47,239
more seriously than anywhere else that I'm aware of. And frankly,

1757
01:13:47,239 --> 01:13:50,279
the United States commissions could take a cold, could take

1758
01:13:50,319 --> 01:13:53,479
a cue from them. So for his inh for his

1759
01:13:53,479 --> 01:13:56,079
his his issue of having missed weeight by one point

1760
01:13:56,119 --> 01:13:58,720
two five pounds. The Japanese Boxing Commission, and this is

1761
01:13:58,760 --> 01:14:01,199
not unpressent. They did it to Luis sneeryback a few

1762
01:14:01,279 --> 01:14:05,399
years ago. They suspended him for one year. He cannot

1763
01:14:05,439 --> 01:14:08,640
fight in Japan for one year. And I mean, he's

1764
01:14:08,680 --> 01:14:10,680
not like he's a Japanese fighter, but that sends a

1765
01:14:10,720 --> 01:14:13,000
message because it's I don't know this to be true,

1766
01:14:13,039 --> 01:14:15,199
but if he tries to fight in the Philippines. Perhaps

1767
01:14:15,279 --> 01:14:18,600
they'll uphold that suspension. I don't know. I would hope

1768
01:14:18,600 --> 01:14:20,159
that if he tried to fight in the United States

1769
01:14:20,560 --> 01:14:23,239
that they would reciprocate and not allow him to fight

1770
01:14:23,319 --> 01:14:25,920
the same way, at least in under the ABC rules

1771
01:14:25,920 --> 01:14:27,840
in the United States, if you're suspended in New York,

1772
01:14:28,079 --> 01:14:30,159
you can't fight in Nevada, you can't fight in Florida,

1773
01:14:30,159 --> 01:14:32,720
et cetera, et cetera. But I think this is a

1774
01:14:32,720 --> 01:14:35,920
great thing to take this seriously. You know, these guys

1775
01:14:36,399 --> 01:14:38,359
are if you're not going to fight at the weight

1776
01:14:38,399 --> 01:14:40,399
that you contract for and fight in a different weight class,

1777
01:14:40,399 --> 01:14:42,720
and if you don't make the weight, you should be punished.

1778
01:14:42,720 --> 01:14:45,640
And in this situation, I think a one year suspension

1779
01:14:46,119 --> 01:14:50,159
is actually a pretty significant suspension when you compare it

1780
01:14:50,199 --> 01:14:52,560
to a guy that gets caught using peds and he

1781
01:14:52,640 --> 01:14:54,479
might get a six month slap on the wrist. So

1782
01:14:54,640 --> 01:14:57,359
I do applaud there's me. Should I do my after

1783
01:14:57,399 --> 01:14:58,640
Deloya clap back Thursday?

1784
01:14:58,760 --> 01:15:00,760
Speaker 3: Yeah, you clapped it back like it all right?

1785
01:15:00,800 --> 01:15:02,600
Speaker 2: So anyway, I wanted to give them a shout out

1786
01:15:02,600 --> 01:15:03,840
because I thought this was a great move.

1787
01:15:04,039 --> 01:15:06,319
Speaker 1: Then, by the way, he's been as you mentioned, he's

1788
01:15:06,319 --> 01:15:08,760
been an habitual guy with missing weight, not showing up

1789
01:15:08,760 --> 01:15:11,000
for way in canceling fights and whatever, and so they

1790
01:15:11,000 --> 01:15:13,119
lowered the boom on him bravo, as.

1791
01:15:13,000 --> 01:15:14,840
Speaker 2: They should have. And even if it was even if

1792
01:15:14,840 --> 01:15:16,359
you had never had the offense in the first place,

1793
01:15:16,399 --> 01:15:17,920
they still would have done this. And I'm happy to

1794
01:15:18,000 --> 01:15:20,399
hear that. And like I said, I hope other commissions

1795
01:15:20,600 --> 01:15:22,800
look to the Japanese Boxing Commission, which has a good

1796
01:15:22,840 --> 01:15:26,279
reputation worldwide. They know how to do their events, and

1797
01:15:26,640 --> 01:15:29,079
this should be something more than norm than something that's

1798
01:15:29,119 --> 01:15:29,600
not normal.

1799
01:15:30,760 --> 01:15:33,359
Speaker 1: All Right, nostalgia time, because we have been here a bit.

1800
01:15:34,079 --> 01:15:36,479
Let's go back five years ago from this past Friday,

1801
01:15:36,520 --> 01:15:39,760
October eighteenth, twenty nineteen. You were in Philadelphia as Artur

1802
01:15:39,880 --> 01:15:45,399
better Bev became the unified light heavyweight champion as he

1803
01:15:45,520 --> 01:15:49,880
fought a fellow unbeaten in Alexander Vodzik. What do you

1804
01:15:49,880 --> 01:15:51,880
remember about that night, because it's led to bigger and

1805
01:15:51,920 --> 01:15:54,800
better things for better Beev, including now being undisputed champion

1806
01:15:54,840 --> 01:15:56,239
five years later in the same.

1807
01:15:56,079 --> 01:15:57,520
Speaker 2: Well, that's one of the things that's why I picked

1808
01:15:57,520 --> 01:15:58,960
this when when I was trying to figure out what

1809
01:15:58,960 --> 01:16:00,680
we're going to talk about this week because it shows

1810
01:16:00,720 --> 01:16:03,840
you that it's you know, slow and steady wins the race.

1811
01:16:03,880 --> 01:16:06,560
That that the trek undisputed is not easy. You know,

1812
01:16:06,600 --> 01:16:09,039
he had to win a title, a vacant title granted

1813
01:16:09,079 --> 01:16:12,520
against Enrico Coaling, And it wasn't until he fought this

1814
01:16:12,560 --> 01:16:16,319
fight with Vodzick that he not only became the you know,

1815
01:16:16,359 --> 01:16:18,439
he already was the IBF title holder, he won the

1816
01:16:18,520 --> 01:16:21,319
WBC belt. He won the lineal title because Vodzic had

1817
01:16:21,319 --> 01:16:22,720
beaten the man who beat the man who beat the man,

1818
01:16:22,760 --> 01:16:26,239
which is when he knocked out Donna Stevenson. And this

1819
01:16:26,399 --> 01:16:28,079
was like a big deal fight when Top rank put

1820
01:16:28,119 --> 01:16:31,359
it together. Remember they were both undefeated, they both had

1821
01:16:31,399 --> 01:16:35,520
major belts. They were they were in a situation where

1822
01:16:35,560 --> 01:16:38,520
and in the light heavyweight division there had never been

1823
01:16:38,680 --> 01:16:41,920
a unification fight ever. I mean in the you know,

1824
01:16:41,960 --> 01:16:43,760
back in the old days, there's only one title. But

1825
01:16:43,840 --> 01:16:45,680
since the advent, let's say, of the two belt the

1826
01:16:45,680 --> 01:16:48,640
era we go back into the nineteen sixties, there had

1827
01:16:48,680 --> 01:16:52,319
never been a unification either for two belts three belts

1828
01:16:52,680 --> 01:16:54,119
until we got to the four belts. This is the

1829
01:16:54,159 --> 01:16:57,000
only other one. But prior to Vodzick against better Be.

1830
01:16:57,319 --> 01:17:00,720
There had never been a unification where both guys were undefeated,

1831
01:17:01,039 --> 01:17:03,319
and that was the case with these two guys. They

1832
01:17:03,399 --> 01:17:04,920
put on a heck of a fight. This was when

1833
01:17:04,960 --> 01:17:08,479
Vodzick was being trained by Teddy Atlis. They put on

1834
01:17:08,479 --> 01:17:10,359
a real slug fast, a real excellent fight, and in

1835
01:17:10,399 --> 01:17:13,359
the end, it was just the overwhelming punching power of

1836
01:17:13,600 --> 01:17:15,399
Arthur better Biev that got to Bodzik. He ended up

1837
01:17:15,479 --> 01:17:18,560
dropping him three times, knocked him down, and knocked him

1838
01:17:18,560 --> 01:17:20,359
out in the tenth round. A real rough way to go.

1839
01:17:20,640 --> 01:17:22,880
He dropped him three times in that tenth round. And

1840
01:17:23,239 --> 01:17:25,159
I do have vivid memories of when I was leaving

1841
01:17:25,199 --> 01:17:28,079
the arena myself, and it was at the Leah Chorus Center,

1842
01:17:28,079 --> 01:17:29,880
which is an arena that's on the campus of Temple

1843
01:17:29,960 --> 01:17:32,479
University and I've covered I've covered a handful of fights

1844
01:17:32,479 --> 01:17:35,600
there through the years. You know, we were walking like

1845
01:17:35,840 --> 01:17:37,680
up you know, if you were to come into the arena,

1846
01:17:37,840 --> 01:17:40,920
go down the into the underneath, drive down the ramp.

1847
01:17:41,680 --> 01:17:43,279
We were walking up the ramp to go up to

1848
01:17:43,319 --> 01:17:46,119
the street to you know, get a uber car to

1849
01:17:46,159 --> 01:17:48,840
go back to our hotel. And as we're walking up.

1850
01:17:48,880 --> 01:17:51,319
We were passing the exit where the dressing rooms were

1851
01:17:51,359 --> 01:17:53,720
and where the guys were leaving. This is where outside basically,

1852
01:17:54,119 --> 01:17:57,199
and we saw Vodzik and Teddy walk out and votes

1853
01:17:57,199 --> 01:17:58,840
of got in the ambulance. They took him to the hospital.

1854
01:17:58,840 --> 01:18:02,960
As he ended up like two or three nights in

1855
01:18:03,000 --> 01:18:04,880
the hospital after that fight, and as you know, he

1856
01:18:04,920 --> 01:18:07,600
then retired and didn't fight for a few years. He

1857
01:18:07,640 --> 01:18:10,279
has come back since and put together a few wins

1858
01:18:10,279 --> 01:18:12,359
and then had the tough loss, you know, in a

1859
01:18:12,399 --> 01:18:16,279
decision against David Benavidez that took place this past summer.

1860
01:18:16,600 --> 01:18:18,720
But that was a rough night and it just shows

1861
01:18:18,760 --> 01:18:23,079
you better. BF was a puncher from birth, a puncher

1862
01:18:23,079 --> 01:18:25,479
in his earlier fights, a puncher in this fight, a

1863
01:18:25,479 --> 01:18:28,239
puncher and other unifications and you know the only time

1864
01:18:28,239 --> 01:18:30,239
anybody ever went the distance with him was when he

1865
01:18:30,279 --> 01:18:33,039
won the fight against the Metri Bble. But it just

1866
01:18:33,079 --> 01:18:35,880
says to me, five years it's taken to get this

1867
01:18:35,960 --> 01:18:38,119
division together, and he did it the hard way. He

1868
01:18:38,159 --> 01:18:39,560
didn't get to go in there and just win all

1869
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the belts in one night. He won the IBF title,

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like I mentioned, then he had this unification against against Vojic.

1871
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Then it was not until he thought Joe Smith to

1872
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pick up the WBO belt where he stopped him, and

1873
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then finally he was able to have the fight with

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Dimitrivival to acquire the WBA title as well. But this

1875
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was a big deal fight at the time that happened.

1876
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I'm really happy that I was able to attend this

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fight and see Arthur better be of you know, do

1878
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his thing. And as a matter of fact, that you

1879
01:19:04,880 --> 01:19:08,079
know he fought in all the fights where he's won

1880
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belst He's had four of those fights. I've been very fortunate.

1881
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I was at three of them. I wasn't at the

1882
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Beeble fight obviously, but I was there for Colling, I

1883
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was there for this Vojig fight, and I was there

1884
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in Madison Square Gardens Theater when he knocked out Joe Smith.

1885
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But to me, the most impressive win of those three

1886
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not the Beable fight, but was definitely the Vogg fight,

1887
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because he was the best of those fighters that he faced.

1888
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He was an Olympian part of that crew that also

1889
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included Lomachenko and Barentschik and obviously Alexander Usik. This was

1890
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a tremendous victory when you look at the better beav record.

1891
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Speaker 3: Love all of that. All right, one more bit of nostalgia.

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Speaker 1: Let's wish Evander Holyfield a happy sixty second birthday. He

1893
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turned sixty two on Saturday on the on the nineteenth

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of October. And what a career, A Hall of famer.

1895
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We know him for a lot of different reasons, a

1896
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lot of different fights and multiple division world champ. What

1897
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else do you want to say about Evander besides happy birthday?

1898
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Speaker 2: Well, yeah, happy birthday. I think we we wish the

1899
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happy birthday, and we take a minute to reflect on

1900
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the great man's career. I mean, he is one of

1901
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the one of the most legendary heavyweights, one of the

1902
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most exciting heavyweights that you could ever ask for. Fund

1903
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everybody never ducked the fight. I mean, first of all,

1904
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great amateur jobs in the Olympics. Ended up with the brons,

1905
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but clearly should have gotten beyond that round because he

1906
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was disqualified because of the referees not hearing the bell

1907
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or hearing with the bell, I guess, and nobody hearing

1908
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the bell, and he landed a shot after the bell

1909
01:20:37,039 --> 01:20:39,960
and was disqualified against Kevin Barry. By the way, he

1910
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went on to become a top trainer.

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Speaker 3: Well a minute, I have to I have to clean

1912
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up your nostalgia.

1913
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Speaker 1: In those fights, they had two rings in the area.

1914
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And this came up in the Los Angeles Olympics more

1915
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than once, where the bell rang in the other.

1916
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Speaker 3: And when it.

1917
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Speaker 1: Did, the referee said stop. And as he was saying stop,

1918
01:21:02,039 --> 01:21:04,880
Evander was hitting Kevin Barry. It should have been a

1919
01:21:04,960 --> 01:21:08,960
legitimate punch, that's what. But then Barry couldn't get up.

1920
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But who in the world, with the Los Angeles organizing

1921
01:21:12,159 --> 01:21:14,680
ever came up with two rings at the same time

1922
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with the bell going off in another ring. You were

1923
01:21:17,159 --> 01:21:20,479
asking for trouble. And holy Field got penalized forever because

1924
01:21:20,479 --> 01:21:21,520
of that trouble and got a bronze medal.

1925
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Speaker 2: But the point I was making is that he was

1926
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an a top notch amateur. Part of that a nineteen

1927
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eighty four Olympic team that produced the likes of Andander

1928
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and Colonel Whitaker and Meldrich Taylor and Virgil Hill and others,

1929
01:21:32,760 --> 01:21:36,720
just a tremendous group of fighters. And then as a

1930
01:21:36,720 --> 01:21:40,720
professional became the undisputed cruiserweight champion, the first to ever

1931
01:21:40,800 --> 01:21:44,079
do that, and had some classic battles. His fight against

1932
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White Mohammed Khaween in their fifteen rounder, the first time

1933
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they fought, when he won what at the time was

1934
01:21:49,159 --> 01:21:51,880
the WBA Junior heavyweight title, is one of the most

1935
01:21:51,920 --> 01:21:55,359
spectacular slugfests you'll ever see. And the joke was always

1936
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that Vander put out so much effort in that fight

1937
01:21:58,000 --> 01:22:00,520
and he lost so much weight from being so hydrated

1938
01:22:00,520 --> 01:22:02,520
from the grueling nature of that battle, that he was

1939
01:22:02,560 --> 01:22:05,640
a light heavyweight when the fight was over. And then

1940
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of course he went to the heavyweight division, and you know,

1941
01:22:08,399 --> 01:22:10,479
overcame all the people that said he was too small

1942
01:22:10,520 --> 01:22:12,520
to compete as a heavyweight, and you know, he was

1943
01:22:12,560 --> 01:22:14,159
a great cruiserweight in this and that, but he was

1944
01:22:14,159 --> 01:22:16,319
never going to be a top heavyweight. Well, guess what,

1945
01:22:16,439 --> 01:22:19,680
he became a top heavyweight because he had huge accomplishments

1946
01:22:19,680 --> 01:22:22,600
and had very memorable battles with Riddick both three times.

1947
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Had the great fight with the older version of George Foreman,

1948
01:22:25,920 --> 01:22:28,680
who was still formidable. Had the two fights with Michael

1949
01:22:28,720 --> 01:22:30,920
Moore first won the close loss, second one where he

1950
01:22:31,239 --> 01:22:34,239
absolutely obliterated him. Had other fight, I mean, imagine at

1951
01:22:34,239 --> 01:22:36,520
this time fighting you're fighting Ray Mercer, and it's not

1952
01:22:36,560 --> 01:22:38,520
even a title fight. That's exactly what he did. He

1953
01:22:38,560 --> 01:22:41,079
comes off a loss against Michael Moore where they said

1954
01:22:41,079 --> 01:22:43,680
he was in heart failure and it turned out that

1955
01:22:43,680 --> 01:22:45,359
that was you know, he was actually okay, and he

1956
01:22:45,399 --> 01:22:49,319
came back a year a plus later, and he didn't

1957
01:22:49,319 --> 01:22:51,560
take a soft touch. He did at Tim Zoo if

1958
01:22:51,560 --> 01:22:53,920
you will, or Tim Zoo did at Vander Holyfield, bought

1959
01:22:54,000 --> 01:22:56,920
great freaking Mercer in the first in a real tough fight,

1960
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and then by the way, went into the third fight

1961
01:22:58,920 --> 01:23:01,880
against Riddick bow right out to that has obviously, you know,

1962
01:23:02,039 --> 01:23:04,239
the most famous wins you can think about in heavyweight

1963
01:23:04,279 --> 01:23:08,039
boxing of modern times. The two back to back victory

1964
01:23:08,159 --> 01:23:11,479
is a disqualification against Mike Tyson in the first fight,

1965
01:23:11,520 --> 01:23:14,640
the knockout as a heavy underdog. Uh, I mean, just

1966
01:23:15,039 --> 01:23:18,600
such such a the epitome of the nineties great era

1967
01:23:18,680 --> 01:23:21,159
of heavyweight boxing. It was a truly great era, and

1968
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he is the leader, along with Lennox Lewis of that group.

1969
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Obviously they fought twice him and Lewis. Once was a

1970
01:23:26,760 --> 01:23:29,239
draw that nobody agreed with. That Lenox got robbed in

1971
01:23:29,279 --> 01:23:31,319
and then he lost. But by that time, you know,

1972
01:23:31,439 --> 01:23:33,159
it's clear looking back that Lennox was a little bit

1973
01:23:33,199 --> 01:23:35,920
past that. Rather Holyfield was a little bit past his

1974
01:23:35,960 --> 01:23:38,199
best days. And then even you know, even after that,

1975
01:23:38,239 --> 01:23:41,399
he's still being done. At that point, he still scored

1976
01:23:41,439 --> 01:23:44,920
that a big victory against Hassim Rockman in two thousand

1977
01:23:44,920 --> 01:23:46,199
and two, a fight I actually was at, and then

1978
01:23:46,199 --> 01:23:49,159
it moved him into a title fight against against Chris Purty.

1979
01:23:49,199 --> 01:23:52,159
Even in the waning days of his career, when he

1980
01:23:52,199 --> 01:23:56,039
fought uh In uh In against Nikolai Valuev, I think

1981
01:23:56,079 --> 01:23:59,319
it was for the WBA belt. He lost the majority

1982
01:23:59,399 --> 01:24:02,800
decision in Switzerland, and a lot of people thought he

1983
01:24:02,840 --> 01:24:04,960
got robbed in that fight. He should have probably had

1984
01:24:04,960 --> 01:24:07,479
another heavywe white title belt. Matter of fact, I mean,

1985
01:24:07,880 --> 01:24:10,920
there isn't anybody he didn't fight. He gave entertainment all

1986
01:24:10,960 --> 01:24:13,880
all along, for years and years and years. And if

1987
01:24:13,920 --> 01:24:16,319
you don't like Evander Holyfield to watch his fights, and

1988
01:24:16,359 --> 01:24:18,760
I don't know how you can consider your stubble boxing fan,

1989
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what else could you say?

1990
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Speaker 1: I agree with you, what a phenomenal personality. And still

1991
01:24:25,399 --> 01:24:27,600
some of the most bizarre things the fan man fight,

1992
01:24:27,680 --> 01:24:31,359
in the rematch with Bo, the disqualification with Tyson, and

1993
01:24:31,399 --> 01:24:35,920
the craziness of that night, Memorable fight after memorable fight,

1994
01:24:36,479 --> 01:24:41,800
Happy Birthday to the real Deal Holy Field. With that

1995
01:24:41,960 --> 01:24:44,640
busy show, we covered a ton. I had a blast

1996
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to and from Orlando for the upset by back room

1997
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of tim Zoo. We'll see what happens with that. And

1998
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I hope you enjoyed the impromptu interviews. Hope you enjoyed

1999
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Regi's progra as well. Anything else here And closing, We're ready.

2000
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We're ready to almost put to wrap on October coming

2001
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up here. I think we're good off the weekend. Are

2002
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we not in the recap mode?

2003
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Speaker 2: We're good now. It's all about I figured out what

2004
01:25:08,680 --> 01:25:10,399
is going on with my son's Halloween costume.

2005
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Speaker 3: What do we have?

2006
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Speaker 2: Like early, there's a lot. I think there's a bunch

2007
01:25:16,199 --> 01:25:16,840
of stuff that's.

2008
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Speaker 1: Going the monster route. Are we going the superhero route?

2009
01:25:19,319 --> 01:25:21,359
Are we going like something else old school?

2010
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Speaker 2: No, I think it might be like it might be

2011
01:25:23,720 --> 01:25:25,159
a superhero potentially. I don't know.

2012
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Speaker 3: I don't want to.

2013
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Speaker 2: I don't want to say that.

2014
01:25:27,520 --> 01:25:30,039
Speaker 1: There's trouble in my neighborhood. But one of the neighbors

2015
01:25:30,039 --> 01:25:33,199
put up a life size Frankenstein that has a motion

2016
01:25:33,479 --> 01:25:34,239
sensor on it.

2017
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Speaker 3: And it scared the crap out of me. I kid

2018
01:25:36,920 --> 01:25:37,159
you not.

2019
01:25:37,640 --> 01:25:40,359
Speaker 1: I got back at O dark thirty from Orlando, and

2020
01:25:40,399 --> 01:25:43,640
I thought somebody was robbing the neighbor's house in the

2021
01:25:43,720 --> 01:25:47,399
dark because he had a motion sensor. Frankenstein, that's already up.

2022
01:25:47,439 --> 01:25:49,560
I'm just saying people go with the top with Halloween,

2023
01:25:50,439 --> 01:25:51,119
just saying.

2024
01:25:51,159 --> 01:25:53,239
Speaker 2: Yeah, I mean, you know, it's a kids it's a

2025
01:25:53,279 --> 01:25:55,520
kid's holiday. And so we're we have a we have

2026
01:25:55,520 --> 01:25:56,880
a daily discussion about the costume.

2027
01:25:56,920 --> 01:25:59,399
Speaker 1: Sua ongoing updates on that. I'm glad he's feeling better.

2028
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I'm glad that we're both good, well a lot better

2029
01:26:01,479 --> 01:26:04,439
than Tim Zuo. We'll see what happens with him. Dan Rayfield,

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have a great week. Thank you, my friend. Are you too,

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digit I am merely TJ Reeves.

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For now, we're good though.

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