WEBVTT 1 00:00:01.399 --> 00:00:04.240 This week on the latest episode of The Big Show, 2 00:00:05.400 --> 00:00:08.720 we have one special guest this week as we launch 3 00:00:08.839 --> 00:00:13.560 into our light Reel film Festival coverage. Stay tuned and 4 00:00:13.640 --> 00:00:16.160 find out who this brother is. We'll have all that 5 00:00:16.359 --> 00:00:19.519 and more, plus reviews of Havoc and Charles. 6 00:00:19.559 --> 00:00:21.359 What's the other one called? Fight? 7 00:00:21.679 --> 00:00:22.320 Yeah? That one. 8 00:00:22.679 --> 00:00:25.440 All of that coming up on the latest episode of 9 00:00:25.519 --> 00:00:58.320 Keeping It Real with Film Gordon. Let's go good afternoon. 10 00:00:58.399 --> 00:01:00.920 Welcome to the latest episode of Keeping It with Film Gordon. 11 00:01:01.039 --> 00:01:03.439 I am Tim Gordon, and I am joined by the 12 00:01:03.479 --> 00:01:04.920 one the Only. 13 00:01:04.959 --> 00:01:07.239 Charles Kirkland Junior. Charles, what's going on? 14 00:01:07.319 --> 00:01:07.400 Bro? 15 00:01:07.920 --> 00:01:08.280 Good ee? 16 00:01:08.319 --> 00:01:11.920 Teams to you all, and welcome to the new Pope 17 00:01:12.560 --> 00:01:15.599 from Chicago. Congratulations Neo. 18 00:01:16.599 --> 00:01:18.480 First of all, if you was gonna do that, shouldn't 19 00:01:18.439 --> 00:01:20.159 it have been like a Chicago accident. 20 00:01:20.799 --> 00:01:22.400 No, that was. 21 00:01:24.239 --> 00:01:26.120 The Pope. But he's from Chicago. 22 00:01:26.560 --> 00:01:28.439 He's from Chicago, but he spent a lot of time 23 00:01:28.439 --> 00:01:30.799 in Peru and other places. 24 00:01:30.799 --> 00:01:33.640 So first of all, I was in sensed that somebody, 25 00:01:35.799 --> 00:01:37.640 somebody else made the moment about them. 26 00:01:37.719 --> 00:01:43.400 We are so proud of you. Oh my god man. 27 00:01:43.480 --> 00:01:47.239 Nobody cares about that for real, Okay, I cared about 28 00:01:47.239 --> 00:01:51.719 it you're focusing on anyway, man, we haven't. That's American, now, 29 00:01:51.879 --> 00:01:52.560 how about that. 30 00:01:53.319 --> 00:01:58.319 I'm not never mind, I'm not I'm not Catholic anyway 31 00:01:58.480 --> 00:02:00.640 in mind, but you know, yeah, anyway, we got a 32 00:02:00.680 --> 00:02:04.359 big show today. Man, we got a couple of movie reviews. 33 00:02:04.719 --> 00:02:07.439 I can't wait to talk about having a. 34 00:02:07.439 --> 00:02:08.159 Little later on. 35 00:02:08.439 --> 00:02:12.759 Just so unnecessary, so unnecessary. 36 00:02:12.960 --> 00:02:13.120 Man. 37 00:02:13.240 --> 00:02:16.000 Look when I saw the film, said you got to 38 00:02:16.000 --> 00:02:16.639 see this thing. 39 00:02:16.759 --> 00:02:18.719 Oh my god, it's ridiculous. 40 00:02:18.199 --> 00:02:23.280 Shane, so unnecessary, didn't We'll talk about it later on. 41 00:02:23.759 --> 00:02:27.840 And then it's Fight and Flight is sister film to 42 00:02:27.919 --> 00:02:28.159 have it. 43 00:02:28.280 --> 00:02:30.560 I'll just say, okay, cool, so stick around for that 44 00:02:30.599 --> 00:02:33.479 because we're gonna definitely have some fun with these films 45 00:02:33.560 --> 00:02:36.479 later on. But now, we got the light Reel Film 46 00:02:36.520 --> 00:02:39.599 Festival coming up, man on June the fourth through the seventh, right, 47 00:02:39.879 --> 00:02:42.879 And you know you hear about us talking about this 48 00:02:42.919 --> 00:02:47.199 all the time, Man, we this week because you know, 49 00:02:47.360 --> 00:02:49.520 by the time you guys are listening to us, tickets 50 00:02:49.560 --> 00:02:51.840 have been released so you can go to light Real 51 00:02:51.960 --> 00:02:54.879 Film Fest, I mean light Reel Film excuse me, dot 52 00:02:54.919 --> 00:02:59.199 com that's brutal and pick up your tickets. 53 00:02:59.520 --> 00:03:01.240 But the next. 54 00:03:01.000 --> 00:03:04.120 Several weeks leading to the festival, Charles and I have 55 00:03:04.199 --> 00:03:06.719 sat down and decided that we need to bring in 56 00:03:07.120 --> 00:03:10.879 some of the filmmakers whose films will be gracing the festival. 57 00:03:11.360 --> 00:03:15.319 And we are starting off with a brother that I 58 00:03:15.599 --> 00:03:19.240 literally met. We've known each other what about six months? Yeah, 59 00:03:19.319 --> 00:03:22.560 it was about six months mat At a party, Brother 60 00:03:22.639 --> 00:03:24.520 told me, hey, man, I'm finishing this movie. 61 00:03:24.840 --> 00:03:27.360 I was like, I got this festival, let's make a deal. 62 00:03:29.479 --> 00:03:32.759 Months later, brother said, the film and I'm not I'm 63 00:03:32.800 --> 00:03:35.360 telling the audience the same thing I told him. I 64 00:03:35.439 --> 00:03:39.879 was ten minutes in, called my significant over over to 65 00:03:39.960 --> 00:03:43.280 watch what I was watching over. Yeah, that what I 66 00:03:43.439 --> 00:03:45.560 just said, y'all know what I'm talking about. I do 67 00:03:45.680 --> 00:03:49.439 this And she was like, I said, yeah, we're playing this. 68 00:03:49.560 --> 00:03:52.199 We screened this film, and that's got us to where 69 00:03:52.240 --> 00:03:56.840 we are today. The brother, Now do I introduce you 70 00:03:56.879 --> 00:03:58.840 by your moniker or your government? 71 00:03:59.159 --> 00:04:01.080 It depends on what you talking about. But I say that, 72 00:04:01.080 --> 00:04:05.479 I say to Monica, he is priest. No. No. 73 00:04:05.520 --> 00:04:07.639 But what I've done is I used both. 74 00:04:09.719 --> 00:04:12.120 Both. I do the first name and then put the 75 00:04:12.240 --> 00:04:13.960 Monica in the middle, you know, like that. 76 00:04:15.919 --> 00:04:17.560 Priest. The nomad is. 77 00:04:17.560 --> 00:04:20.160 In the building. Thank you for having me man. 78 00:04:20.120 --> 00:04:25.439 Bra Brah, I was the weird though not just is 79 00:04:25.600 --> 00:04:28.279 select an official selection at the festival, but it's an 80 00:04:28.319 --> 00:04:29.240 official selection. 81 00:04:29.399 --> 00:04:33.439 Charles, that's a spotlight. That's the anchor the Friday night 82 00:04:33.560 --> 00:04:34.040 line up. 83 00:04:34.879 --> 00:04:38.000 There's a huge honor, Bro, a huge honor and and 84 00:04:38.040 --> 00:04:40.319 wats this and deservedly so appreciate that. 85 00:04:40.360 --> 00:04:43.759 Man, I'm humbled, grateful, a lot of Workman, years in 86 00:04:43.839 --> 00:04:48.160 the making, years in the making, a lifetime in the making. 87 00:04:48.480 --> 00:04:51.639 This is your story, I mean, and it's DC and 88 00:04:51.680 --> 00:04:56.480 it's high lighting you as a rap artist growing up 89 00:04:56.519 --> 00:04:59.879 here in d C. And ho and go go man, 90 00:05:00.480 --> 00:05:03.959 and it's a high the focus of the film. But 91 00:05:05.319 --> 00:05:07.319 talk a little bit about what it was like. I mean, 92 00:05:07.800 --> 00:05:11.240 you said I was the weirdough but we find out 93 00:05:11.319 --> 00:05:14.680 that you were just a weirdo in the scheme of things. 94 00:05:14.720 --> 00:05:15.040 Really. 95 00:05:15.120 --> 00:05:19.720 Yeah, it's funny because to toiled with that title for 96 00:05:19.920 --> 00:05:22.120 like we were the widows I wasn't you know what 97 00:05:22.120 --> 00:05:24.240 I'm saying, because it was it was a whole community 98 00:05:24.240 --> 00:05:26.439 of us coming to find out later. But I didn't 99 00:05:26.480 --> 00:05:29.480 find that out till later, right, So for a long 100 00:05:29.560 --> 00:05:32.160 time you were it was like me, I was the 101 00:05:32.160 --> 00:05:36.360 widow right, because I was surrounded by other dudes that 102 00:05:36.480 --> 00:05:38.600 was into other things that you know, and we all 103 00:05:38.639 --> 00:05:40.639 went to Look, man, I love Go Go music. I 104 00:05:40.720 --> 00:05:44.279 love our culture. I love that. You know, we've created 105 00:05:44.319 --> 00:05:47.480 our own genre of a subgenre of music. You know 106 00:05:47.480 --> 00:05:50.720 what I'm saying. We're a live band area and all that, man, 107 00:05:50.759 --> 00:05:54.680 but you know we're also a transient area. You know 108 00:05:54.720 --> 00:05:56.199 what I'm saying. There's a lot of people that come 109 00:05:56.240 --> 00:05:58.480 to the nation's capital and it's surround the areas. 110 00:05:58.519 --> 00:05:58.639 Man. 111 00:05:58.680 --> 00:06:01.839 I mean, I'm born in Northeast and and Britwood, but 112 00:06:01.959 --> 00:06:03.600 I grew up you know what I'm saying. I mean 113 00:06:03.639 --> 00:06:05.399 I moved to Rigs Park and then I grew up. 114 00:06:05.519 --> 00:06:08.519 A lot of my formative years was in Belsville, Maryland, right, 115 00:06:08.600 --> 00:06:12.000 and in Hyttesville, Maryland, and then came back to the 116 00:06:12.040 --> 00:06:16.800 city and everything. But so just but when we started 117 00:06:16.800 --> 00:06:19.199 doing I was doing stuff in high school and you know, 118 00:06:19.279 --> 00:06:21.720 you find a kid or two or something, you know, 119 00:06:21.759 --> 00:06:24.519 you do it and everything, but you know, for real, 120 00:06:24.600 --> 00:06:26.319 they you know, when it came time to really do 121 00:06:26.360 --> 00:06:28.279 it in front of people, everybody was like, nah, nah, 122 00:06:28.399 --> 00:06:30.399 don't we don't do that. But we don't do that. 123 00:06:30.439 --> 00:06:32.720 So I was, and I was proud about it, like 124 00:06:32.759 --> 00:06:35.240 I was always about hip hop. I love you know 125 00:06:35.240 --> 00:06:37.600 what I'm saying, Uh, it spoke to me. The culture 126 00:06:37.639 --> 00:06:38.920 spoke to me. You know what I'm saying. I was 127 00:06:38.959 --> 00:06:42.079 a dancer, B boy, and so I'm saying, M saying 128 00:06:42.160 --> 00:06:45.000 like that, started doing stuff and then you know, jumped 129 00:06:45.040 --> 00:06:47.879 on the club scene sneaking out of high school. And 130 00:06:47.920 --> 00:06:49.759 that's when I really got into the city and got 131 00:06:49.839 --> 00:06:53.279 and got into the club scene as a dancer, and 132 00:06:53.319 --> 00:06:56.879 then that kind of brought the rhyme thing back. So 133 00:06:57.879 --> 00:07:01.319 you know, even though I went you know, DC, Maryland 134 00:07:01.639 --> 00:07:04.040 all that, but everything that we did was in the city, 135 00:07:04.160 --> 00:07:07.399 right There was no scene in Maryland or I mean 136 00:07:07.639 --> 00:07:10.399 everybody came to the city. So everything that we brick 137 00:07:10.519 --> 00:07:14.240 laid was in the city right, So between the clubs, 138 00:07:14.240 --> 00:07:15.480 between U Street and all that. 139 00:07:15.600 --> 00:07:18.879 So so so my question is and I and I 140 00:07:18.920 --> 00:07:21.040 sort of kind of understand that, you know. 141 00:07:21.199 --> 00:07:23.160 The art grips you the way the art grips you. 142 00:07:23.439 --> 00:07:25.680 I'm trying to figure out growing up in this area 143 00:07:25.720 --> 00:07:28.600 where go go is so prevalent. Like I moved here 144 00:07:28.879 --> 00:07:31.839 in eighty five and knew nothing about the scene, and 145 00:07:31.879 --> 00:07:35.800 here I am now four decades later. I'm like, I'm 146 00:07:35.839 --> 00:07:38.040 talking about the go go scene, like you are immersed 147 00:07:38.480 --> 00:07:40.759 and I don't know how old you are, I assume 148 00:07:40.959 --> 00:07:43.319 I'm I'm I'm a proud fifty two brother about the 149 00:07:43.399 --> 00:07:46.399 term fifty three By the time June first is the birthday. 150 00:07:46.399 --> 00:07:48.519 Man, it's fly gym and out. You know what I'm saying, 151 00:07:48.560 --> 00:07:51.040 young man? Know what I'm saying. So I think fifty three, 152 00:07:51.160 --> 00:07:52.959 young man, I wear that with pride. Man, you know 153 00:07:52.959 --> 00:07:53.399 what I'm saying. 154 00:07:53.600 --> 00:07:56.600 Saying in this area, old priest, you know, go go 155 00:07:56.759 --> 00:07:58.879 It is not just the home ago you know, Chuck 156 00:07:59.040 --> 00:08:02.519 and he you and backyard like, so you're immersed in 157 00:08:02.600 --> 00:08:05.399 the go go culture. How what what spoke to you 158 00:08:05.439 --> 00:08:08.519 that gripped you and said, you know, go go is cool? 159 00:08:08.600 --> 00:08:11.519 But man, this this hip hop, well like I loved 160 00:08:11.519 --> 00:08:13.160 both man, I mean we went to go gos. I 161 00:08:13.160 --> 00:08:15.759 mean my my, my era growing up in the eighties, 162 00:08:15.800 --> 00:08:18.000 man was you know, was the the you know, the 163 00:08:18.360 --> 00:08:20.439 course is Chuck at S S and EU and all 164 00:08:20.519 --> 00:08:24.079 them right and then but you know, my my one 165 00:08:24.120 --> 00:08:27.639 of my heroes was Heartbeat, uh and his you know, 166 00:08:27.720 --> 00:08:29.560 central groove back in the day that in fact they 167 00:08:29.600 --> 00:08:31.920 was out in Maryland, went around my way, you know 168 00:08:31.920 --> 00:08:33.960 what I'm saying. So I kind of with dudes. Was 169 00:08:34.000 --> 00:08:36.279 the dudes that we could touch, you know what I'm saying, 170 00:08:36.279 --> 00:08:38.799 So shut out the heartbeat and the congo all that stuff. Man. 171 00:08:38.840 --> 00:08:42.000 So like him and his brother Rick God God rests 172 00:08:42.039 --> 00:08:44.559 did man. He they was peoples that we could touch 173 00:08:44.559 --> 00:08:47.159 and we would go see them and another. But but 174 00:08:47.320 --> 00:08:51.639 also what was happening at the same time was Frank 175 00:08:51.639 --> 00:08:54.320 ski Uh was here and he had a show at 176 00:08:54.440 --> 00:08:57.600 w d c U on ninety point one called Breaker's 177 00:08:57.679 --> 00:09:00.200 Delight and that was in the eighties and was in 178 00:09:00.200 --> 00:09:05.480 the mid eighties. So I'm like, you know, junior high 179 00:09:05.519 --> 00:09:07.960 and then coming into high school eighty six eighty five, 180 00:09:08.679 --> 00:09:12.360 like peeping that. And that's what introduced me to really 181 00:09:12.399 --> 00:09:15.840 really all the hip hop culture in the groups, because 182 00:09:15.879 --> 00:09:19.360 that's when I learned about Cold Crushing Flash and hur 183 00:09:19.440 --> 00:09:22.080 Can you know Run DMC and all that. And then 184 00:09:22.120 --> 00:09:24.799 you know, them tape started coming down, right, you know, 185 00:09:24.879 --> 00:09:27.759 you recording them shows and rocks Sand and then was 186 00:09:27.840 --> 00:09:31.360 dudes from here that was doing on those shows. Because 187 00:09:31.399 --> 00:09:32.879 my man who wound up being one of my crew 188 00:09:32.919 --> 00:09:35.399 members from Man sub Z he was with a group 189 00:09:35.440 --> 00:09:38.000 called Dynamically Fresh that they had a video at the 190 00:09:38.039 --> 00:09:40.559 Capitol and like eighty five, you know what I'm saying. So, 191 00:09:40.639 --> 00:09:43.000 and then there was stuff down you know what I'm saying. 192 00:09:43.440 --> 00:09:46.039 It was the bray Burn Building and all that stuff, right, 193 00:09:46.600 --> 00:09:48.320 all of that stuff was going on. B boys in 194 00:09:48.720 --> 00:09:50.840 F Street. They was breaking down F Street and you 195 00:09:50.919 --> 00:09:52.799 know what I'm saying. Back in the day, you know, 196 00:09:52.960 --> 00:09:54.879 this is when junk Yard used to be down there. 197 00:09:55.279 --> 00:09:56.879 So it was like so it was like you know, 198 00:09:56.960 --> 00:09:58.519 and then and one of the things I talked about 199 00:09:58.559 --> 00:10:02.080 in the Doctor is that there was a meschine of 200 00:10:02.159 --> 00:10:04.679 go go and hip hop from the early days. And 201 00:10:04.720 --> 00:10:08.440 this is one of the reasons why. It's because a 202 00:10:08.480 --> 00:10:11.759 lot of the breakbeats that the early pioneers of hip hop, 203 00:10:11.799 --> 00:10:15.000 Grandmaster Flash and Hurking them when they used those were 204 00:10:15.080 --> 00:10:17.759 DC funk bands, you know what I'm saying, Skull Snaps, 205 00:10:18.240 --> 00:10:20.399 Chuck Brown, Soul Searches, that's where the pay the full 206 00:10:20.440 --> 00:10:23.080 beat comes in, I'm from. So a lot of those 207 00:10:23.200 --> 00:10:26.000 they learned about DC bands, you know what I'm saying, 208 00:10:26.559 --> 00:10:30.320 through the breakbeats, and so they started you know, playing 209 00:10:30.360 --> 00:10:33.600 those breaks and everything, and then starting to collaborate. 210 00:10:33.679 --> 00:10:37.919 And so you saw on the Die and then herbing U. 211 00:10:39.879 --> 00:10:42.240 And even I mentioned that, but even before that, it 212 00:10:42.519 --> 00:10:47.200 was EU and Curtis blow party time, right, you got 213 00:10:47.240 --> 00:10:49.440 you got that, you got then you got dropped the 214 00:10:49.480 --> 00:10:52.200 bomb with Melle Mellon and did it because trumple was 215 00:10:52.240 --> 00:10:55.039 on sugar Hill, you know what I'm saying. Record. Yeah, 216 00:10:55.159 --> 00:10:58.919 So and then remember Jump was on death Cham. M 217 00:10:59.360 --> 00:11:00.919 junk Yard was on death Cham. 218 00:11:01.240 --> 00:11:03.200 Yeah, look at the world. 219 00:11:03.399 --> 00:11:05.000 Saw these a poking beans and the word on the 220 00:11:05.000 --> 00:11:06.799 flip side that was a death Cham recking. 221 00:11:08.200 --> 00:11:08.799 I didn't know that. 222 00:11:08.879 --> 00:11:10.720 Yeah, they were definitely the fact they was in a 223 00:11:10.720 --> 00:11:13.879 movie tougher than Lever. I remember them being in that. Yeah, 224 00:11:13.919 --> 00:11:16.320 that's why they was an ass because they were on 225 00:11:16.440 --> 00:11:19.840 Death Chair. I'm saying Rick Ruben helped produce that. He 226 00:11:20.000 --> 00:11:22.000 helped produce you know what I'm saying. He put the 227 00:11:22.039 --> 00:11:26.159 production you know, like to you know format right the go, 228 00:11:26.159 --> 00:11:29.000 go to make it, you know, fit the format. But yeah, 229 00:11:29.000 --> 00:11:31.360 he was behind the word and you know, like kind 230 00:11:31.360 --> 00:11:34.120 of blending with them on on that like officially. So, yeah, 231 00:11:34.159 --> 00:11:36.480 the word and saw these a poking beans. I was 232 00:11:36.519 --> 00:11:39.559 that was on death Chat. I had heard rumors about 233 00:11:40.120 --> 00:11:44.639 the DC hip hop culture. But by the time I 234 00:11:45.159 --> 00:11:50.159 mean eighty six I graduated, I'm gone to Baltimore because 235 00:11:50.159 --> 00:11:53.519 that's where I could really touch my hip hop. But 236 00:11:54.399 --> 00:11:57.039 and like you said, I grew up loving Go Go. 237 00:11:57.159 --> 00:11:59.840 I heard it all the time, but I didn't get 238 00:11:59.840 --> 00:12:02.200 it developed my love for hip hop here in the city. 239 00:12:02.240 --> 00:12:05.720 I had to go north. But there was another culture 240 00:12:05.759 --> 00:12:08.080 that was happening, and you touched on it a little bit, 241 00:12:08.120 --> 00:12:11.799 the singers in the in the jazz culture that was 242 00:12:11.840 --> 00:12:15.440 also growing in DC that I'd like to talk about 243 00:12:15.480 --> 00:12:17.759 that some I mean, somebody needs to talk about that 244 00:12:17.840 --> 00:12:20.799 as well. But it all started coming out of that 245 00:12:20.919 --> 00:12:24.200 U Street corridor that you're talking about. The jazz. The 246 00:12:24.320 --> 00:12:27.440 jazz is one of the foundations of the city. I 247 00:12:27.480 --> 00:12:30.080 mean you talk about Duke Ellington, Yeah, I mean Duke 248 00:12:30.120 --> 00:12:33.200 Allingxon is here. You know what I'm saying. You know, Uh, 249 00:12:34.039 --> 00:12:35.840 one of the things I talk about old U Street, 250 00:12:36.320 --> 00:12:40.200 the the you know when after post reconstruction and out 251 00:12:40.200 --> 00:12:42.679 of the blacks. So DC was one of the areas 252 00:12:42.720 --> 00:12:46.360 man with the most freed slaves, right right, So we 253 00:12:46.440 --> 00:12:50.120 had empowerment of slaves, they had upper echelons of skilled 254 00:12:50.200 --> 00:12:53.919 laborers here. They built that that that George Washington purposely 255 00:12:54.360 --> 00:12:57.960 blown here literally to build the city, right, to build 256 00:12:58.000 --> 00:13:00.559 the capital, to build the White House. So that a 257 00:13:00.639 --> 00:13:02.360 lot of them was able to obtain their freedoms and 258 00:13:02.399 --> 00:13:04.480 stuff like that. So what happens is you got a 259 00:13:04.480 --> 00:13:07.399 whole But they was cool because Maryland and Virginia were 260 00:13:07.399 --> 00:13:10.240 the slave states, right, so they had the district where 261 00:13:10.320 --> 00:13:12.279 a lot of the blacks were happened to be free 262 00:13:12.320 --> 00:13:14.159 and they could buy their freedom, more so because it 263 00:13:14.200 --> 00:13:16.559 wasn't a big agriculture area, you know what I'm saying. 264 00:13:16.600 --> 00:13:20.000 So because of that, then you had but the segregation 265 00:13:20.120 --> 00:13:21.919 was hard, right, So a lot of all of those 266 00:13:22.120 --> 00:13:25.200 prominent blacks then took those skills to U Street and 267 00:13:25.240 --> 00:13:29.120 you have the corridor black businesses that all established, and 268 00:13:29.120 --> 00:13:30.759 they were doing so many business, but all of them 269 00:13:30.799 --> 00:13:35.120 had to speak easies, right. You know. That's where crystal 270 00:13:35.159 --> 00:13:39.080 caverns didn't later be through, you know what I'm saying. 271 00:13:39.120 --> 00:13:41.000 So it was all of these, a whole bunch of them, 272 00:13:41.039 --> 00:13:43.200 you know what I'm saying. Around the corridor. You had 273 00:13:44.480 --> 00:13:48.200 Maryland was a Mary Cliver Thorne, I think it was 274 00:13:48.200 --> 00:13:52.240 on Vermont, and you know it was so many people. 275 00:13:52.240 --> 00:13:54.240 But you know you had the cab Callaways and Duke 276 00:13:54.279 --> 00:13:57.480 Ellington's and Miles and all of them. So the jazz 277 00:13:57.600 --> 00:13:59.639 is rich, you know what I'm saying. That that's always 278 00:13:59.679 --> 00:14:03.159 been and so that whole that whole thing, and it 279 00:14:03.240 --> 00:14:05.360 is a great history of jazz, I mean with you 280 00:14:05.399 --> 00:14:08.360 know the Howard Theater and the Lincoln Theater, you know, 281 00:14:08.480 --> 00:14:10.759 Crystal Caverns and you know all of that. 282 00:14:10.879 --> 00:14:14.159 So look, it's funny we had And. 283 00:14:14.240 --> 00:14:16.080 That's that's the thing about this doc for me, man, 284 00:14:16.080 --> 00:14:19.799 because like I went into it just trying to document 285 00:14:20.200 --> 00:14:22.759 our resurgence because we were the resurgence of U Street. 286 00:14:22.799 --> 00:14:26.679 That's why the story is very valuable because when people 287 00:14:26.720 --> 00:14:29.679 think about U Street, they think about the original U Street, right, 288 00:14:29.720 --> 00:14:32.559 think about Duke and and and you know and Billy 289 00:14:32.600 --> 00:14:36.000 and yeah, Billy coming Black Broadway right exactly. But they 290 00:14:36.039 --> 00:14:38.879 don't understand what happened after the crack era. But happened 291 00:14:38.879 --> 00:14:41.240 after the riots and then the Crack era came and 292 00:14:41.440 --> 00:14:44.519 U Street was rough, you know what I'm saying, I 293 00:14:44.639 --> 00:14:46.440 was rough, right, And it was the it was the 294 00:14:47.200 --> 00:14:49.440 starting to revitalize that they had the plans to build 295 00:14:49.919 --> 00:14:52.480 the Metro U Street Cardoza. Right before they built that, 296 00:14:53.000 --> 00:14:55.919 it was rough, and it was the little cafe owners 297 00:14:55.960 --> 00:14:58.799 that were started to opening up their shops trying to 298 00:14:58.799 --> 00:15:02.720 get who gentrified. Who's the first to, unfortunately pave the 299 00:15:02.759 --> 00:15:06.799 way for gentrification is always artists. We're always the first 300 00:15:06.879 --> 00:15:09.559 to be the first level of gentrification because we're the 301 00:15:09.600 --> 00:15:12.240 ones who are from these and we from these neighborhoods. 302 00:15:12.279 --> 00:15:14.159 We don't care. We just wound trying to do our 303 00:15:14.279 --> 00:15:17.480 art right. So we go to these places. We're just 304 00:15:17.559 --> 00:15:19.960 doing art. I mean, we're pulling I'm a freestyle union, 305 00:15:19.960 --> 00:15:22.360 were pulling dudes off the streets to rock may put 306 00:15:22.360 --> 00:15:24.399 the things in the car. Man come round, you know 307 00:15:24.440 --> 00:15:26.240 what I'm saying. We're doing that type of stuff. We're 308 00:15:26.240 --> 00:15:28.399 not tripping off that. So we come and do that. 309 00:15:28.480 --> 00:15:31.240 And then what happens is white people come because they 310 00:15:31.240 --> 00:15:33.559 see the art right, and then they're like, oh my good. 311 00:15:33.639 --> 00:15:33.799 You know. 312 00:15:33.840 --> 00:15:36.679 And then we were doing this and because we going, 313 00:15:36.720 --> 00:15:39.919 we we've touched dudes in the neighborhoods or whatever. It's 314 00:15:39.919 --> 00:15:42.440 a safe, safe space. We build them. You know what 315 00:15:42.440 --> 00:15:44.759 I'm saying. My man Cocaine talks about that on The Doctor. 316 00:15:44.799 --> 00:15:48.039 We built that safe space and then they become comfortable. 317 00:15:48.399 --> 00:15:51.720 They start becoming comfortable you already know. Yeah, the next 318 00:15:51.759 --> 00:15:54.360 step is y'all got to go. We're like, we're gonna 319 00:15:54.360 --> 00:15:56.639 start buying it, and that's what happened. And then you 320 00:15:56.720 --> 00:16:00.399 have let's get rid of Go go music. You can't God, 321 00:16:01.600 --> 00:16:04.799 So that worked out. No, what I was about to 322 00:16:04.840 --> 00:16:07.000 say before you know the city. 323 00:16:07.039 --> 00:16:10.120 You know, what I'm saying is that it's funny as 324 00:16:10.120 --> 00:16:12.519 an outsider, right like Charles grew up here, You grew 325 00:16:12.600 --> 00:16:12.879 up here. 326 00:16:12.879 --> 00:16:15.480 But I'm saying I'm an outsider who's been here long enough. 327 00:16:15.960 --> 00:16:19.080 I would never claim DC like I'm a native. I'm 328 00:16:19.080 --> 00:16:21.720 not a native. I'm just a guy that understands the 329 00:16:21.720 --> 00:16:25.799 culture stories people come here thirty forty years. Yeah, man, 330 00:16:25.879 --> 00:16:29.759 but you But but there's a difference between being native 331 00:16:29.799 --> 00:16:32.519 born and being a person who's immersed in the. 332 00:16:32.440 --> 00:16:34.480 City and understands it. Because when I first came here, 333 00:16:34.519 --> 00:16:37.279 I felt like an alien. I would look around, you know, 334 00:16:37.320 --> 00:16:39.279 people were talking about the love of the of the 335 00:16:39.279 --> 00:16:42.039 mayor then Marion Barry and all of the stuff that 336 00:16:42.120 --> 00:16:43.799 was going on in the music in the. 337 00:16:45.600 --> 00:16:49.000 I can't even say it, like, but being in the 338 00:16:49.159 --> 00:16:52.480 being around this energy, all these black people. That was 339 00:16:52.519 --> 00:16:54.960 the first thing I noticed when I moved here, because 340 00:16:54.960 --> 00:16:58.000 in the middle in the eighties, this really was Chocolate 341 00:16:58.600 --> 00:17:05.880 City and yeah, man so but but I remember listening 342 00:17:05.920 --> 00:17:09.079 to Go Go early in the game, and I had 343 00:17:09.160 --> 00:17:12.000 I had knowledge of Go Go from like Trouble. I 344 00:17:12.039 --> 00:17:14.920 remember Pumped Me Up came out of like eighty two 345 00:17:15.000 --> 00:17:17.240 I think it was, and I remember going, man, that's 346 00:17:17.279 --> 00:17:20.400 different and not you know what I'm saying, because nobody 347 00:17:20.480 --> 00:17:21.200 knew what Go. 348 00:17:21.039 --> 00:17:23.599 Go A lot of times that break that that that 349 00:17:23.759 --> 00:17:25.119 break beat has been used. 350 00:17:24.920 --> 00:17:25.400 In hip hop. 351 00:17:25.440 --> 00:17:28.240 Oh my god, I mean, like, yeah, gracious man like 352 00:17:28.599 --> 00:17:31.440 and you know, and that's the Mallard did over like 353 00:17:31.480 --> 00:17:32.759 he did. 354 00:17:33.240 --> 00:17:35.519 I still I still think to me to this day 355 00:17:36.119 --> 00:17:38.079 that that is one of the most amazing Go Go 356 00:17:38.240 --> 00:17:40.400 songs ever. Man Like, I'm like, how And then I 357 00:17:40.440 --> 00:17:42.599 saw him play it like I think it might have 358 00:17:42.640 --> 00:17:43.359 been on Soul Train. 359 00:17:43.440 --> 00:17:45.039 They showed up and did a version. 360 00:17:45.079 --> 00:17:47.680 I'm like, it's gotta be one of the most difficult 361 00:17:47.720 --> 00:17:51.359 songs to play because you think of all that percussion. 362 00:17:50.799 --> 00:17:53.440 That's in that song for that amount of time. 363 00:17:53.279 --> 00:17:56.759 I'm like, wow, there's no there's no stammin of like 364 00:17:56.799 --> 00:17:59.599 go Go drummers. I was gonna say, the reason why 365 00:17:59.599 --> 00:18:02.799 it's called go go is because you just keep going, 366 00:18:02.839 --> 00:18:05.160 you go go stamming of the stand backs by I 367 00:18:05.160 --> 00:18:09.000 mean they all all Man. The industry comes here and 368 00:18:09.079 --> 00:18:12.920 pulls musicians like crazy from here because of that. There's 369 00:18:12.960 --> 00:18:15.200 a story with I think Quest Love on his probably 370 00:18:15.200 --> 00:18:17.519 he was talking about my man was telling me that, 371 00:18:17.559 --> 00:18:19.880 you know the Quest Love was I was talking to somebody. 372 00:18:19.960 --> 00:18:22.400 It was a big rock group and I can't remember 373 00:18:22.400 --> 00:18:24.519 the group, but they were like they had to have 374 00:18:24.559 --> 00:18:27.000 two drummers on tour with them, and they were like, 375 00:18:27.359 --> 00:18:29.240 why you got two drummers on tour. It was like, well, 376 00:18:29.319 --> 00:18:31.200 we have to show us three hours. They was like, 377 00:18:31.200 --> 00:18:33.039 you know, we have to do an intermission, so we 378 00:18:33.079 --> 00:18:35.200 have to use one drummer for the first time. The 379 00:18:35.200 --> 00:18:37.200 show number said maybe you need to go to d 380 00:18:37.319 --> 00:18:39.279 C and pull one of them go Go drummers, And 381 00:18:39.279 --> 00:18:42.839 it was like and then they sold question. I think 382 00:18:42.920 --> 00:18:44.519 quest I started. Quest took him to a go Go 383 00:18:44.599 --> 00:18:47.920 I think he took him to so it was a EU. 384 00:18:48.000 --> 00:18:50.400 Probably might have been Juju or somebody like. It was 385 00:18:50.440 --> 00:18:52.920 somebody like that, and they wind up grabbing them and 386 00:18:53.000 --> 00:18:55.000 put them on tour. They was like, yeah, they go 387 00:18:55.039 --> 00:18:59.319 all night. You know what I'm saying about it to you? 388 00:18:59.400 --> 00:19:02.680 Going to the gotart man, they hitting all nights. Yeah, 389 00:19:02.839 --> 00:19:06.000 like so there's nothing like you know, hey, look they sipping, 390 00:19:06.039 --> 00:19:12.599 they doing whatever, They drinking whatever, drink with other one. 391 00:19:12.720 --> 00:19:13.599 You just keep going. 392 00:19:13.880 --> 00:19:18.039 Man, we in here with Prieston, No man, man, no 393 00:19:18.200 --> 00:19:18.880 mask dot. 394 00:19:20.079 --> 00:19:22.839 I was the weirdough is playing. 395 00:19:22.680 --> 00:19:26.759 Friday, June sixth U seven point thirty over at the 396 00:19:26.799 --> 00:19:31.799 Angelical pop up Theater at Union Market. Man, I'm really 397 00:19:32.240 --> 00:19:34.599 all joking aside, and you and I have had this conversation, 398 00:19:34.680 --> 00:19:37.359 so I'm just repeating to you or to the audience 399 00:19:37.400 --> 00:19:41.160 what I repeated to you. You know, when we came 400 00:19:41.240 --> 00:19:43.599 up and conceived this film festival, and Charles has worked 401 00:19:43.599 --> 00:19:45.720 with me on it, like every year we've done it right. 402 00:19:46.039 --> 00:19:49.039 And when we first started, Charles I thought, you know, 403 00:19:49.319 --> 00:19:50.720 I just thought it was a cool idea. 404 00:19:50.799 --> 00:19:53.279 Man, we'll get some films together. Man, we show some films. 405 00:19:53.519 --> 00:19:57.079 But you understand as it grows the impact that it's 406 00:19:57.119 --> 00:20:00.039 a platform, right, So it's not about us, it's a 407 00:20:00.039 --> 00:20:03.799 about you, It's about young filmmakers. It's about burden and 408 00:20:03.880 --> 00:20:06.880 filmmakers established ones all coming together. 409 00:20:06.599 --> 00:20:07.440 To create their art. 410 00:20:07.720 --> 00:20:10.599 But what makes this year and my estimation is so 411 00:20:10.680 --> 00:20:14.599 special is we've had local films before. I don't think 412 00:20:14.599 --> 00:20:18.799 we've had the quality of local films that we've had 413 00:20:18.839 --> 00:20:22.400 this year. Right, So we're talking about film, we're talking 414 00:20:22.400 --> 00:20:24.440 about a film that we're gonna be talking about our 415 00:20:24.440 --> 00:20:29.240 opening night class reunions, which is which is another one. 416 00:20:29.279 --> 00:20:32.279 We got screenplays from local artists from about the Go 417 00:20:32.279 --> 00:20:33.839 Go what is it called the Go. 418 00:20:33.599 --> 00:20:37.000 Go, the Go Go, I can't remember, but we had 419 00:20:37.000 --> 00:20:40.839 a screenplay that's a go Go district, the Go Go district, Right, 420 00:20:41.079 --> 00:20:44.160 So that was one of the things I leaned into, 421 00:20:44.279 --> 00:20:46.119 and I think I shared this with you two priests, 422 00:20:46.160 --> 00:20:49.359 is that we show films. Like last year we had 423 00:20:49.400 --> 00:20:53.640 film filmmakers that came from like England, Canada and Germany 424 00:20:53.680 --> 00:20:57.160 and other spots, which is cool. But I want this. 425 00:20:57.000 --> 00:21:00.519 Thing also balance out and be for the right. 426 00:21:00.599 --> 00:21:02.960 I want it to be folks who are creators that 427 00:21:03.000 --> 00:21:06.000 are here to use our festival as a platform in 428 00:21:06.039 --> 00:21:08.599 a way, and no disrespect to any other festival in 429 00:21:08.640 --> 00:21:11.599 the market, man, but I'm just saying that's that's our 430 00:21:11.720 --> 00:21:13.440 sort of mandate for what we're trying to. 431 00:21:13.559 --> 00:21:16.839 Let me tell you how important that is. Man. We're 432 00:21:16.880 --> 00:21:19.599 in a city, man that's unlike any other city in 433 00:21:19.599 --> 00:21:22.759 the work, and everybody comes here and takes from us. 434 00:21:23.279 --> 00:21:25.039 You know what I'm saying. You have people, and I say, 435 00:21:25.079 --> 00:21:27.000 it's a heavy transit area. People come here and go 436 00:21:27.039 --> 00:21:29.480 to school, they come here for business opportunities, They come 437 00:21:29.480 --> 00:21:32.079 here because of the politics whatever. They come here. And 438 00:21:32.119 --> 00:21:35.160 because of the politics and because of the lack of statehood, right, 439 00:21:35.480 --> 00:21:39.720 you got people, you got congressional favors and things like 440 00:21:39.759 --> 00:21:42.400 that that they're creating businesses from people that are not 441 00:21:42.440 --> 00:21:44.799 from here that are creating And it's like, how does 442 00:21:44.839 --> 00:21:45.599 business pop up? 443 00:21:45.599 --> 00:21:45.720 Hoo? 444 00:21:45.759 --> 00:21:47.759 Are these people all of a sudden they in the 445 00:21:47.759 --> 00:21:50.839 forefront of stuff, They running stuff, they gatekeeping, they doing 446 00:21:50.880 --> 00:21:53.200 all of this stuff, man, And then they bring in 447 00:21:53.279 --> 00:21:56.200 they people and then they just you know, you this 448 00:21:56.279 --> 00:21:58.680 has been the story of my life, man. That's why 449 00:21:58.799 --> 00:22:00.680 you know a lot of my stuff is under ground. 450 00:22:00.680 --> 00:22:03.920 I had to create my own movements because there's so 451 00:22:04.000 --> 00:22:06.359 many gatekeepers that are not from here, and then people 452 00:22:06.440 --> 00:22:08.240 that are from here that just getting get in the 453 00:22:08.240 --> 00:22:11.200 bag and getting the check, and then and capitulating to 454 00:22:11.240 --> 00:22:15.279 that right and not staying true to a purpose of 455 00:22:15.839 --> 00:22:18.119 Hey man, we have to really really shine the light 456 00:22:18.200 --> 00:22:20.720 on the excellence in here, because then that's why so 457 00:22:20.720 --> 00:22:22.839 many people leave here. The people that are from here 458 00:22:23.000 --> 00:22:25.920 that are doing big do big things, they go somewhere else, right, 459 00:22:25.960 --> 00:22:28.440 and they're more appreciated than that, you know what I'm saying. 460 00:22:28.480 --> 00:22:31.960 So I you know, I'm not in a space, you know, 461 00:22:32.079 --> 00:22:33.480 and a lot of part of my life where I 462 00:22:33.559 --> 00:22:35.119 can do that, you know what I'm saying. I got 463 00:22:35.119 --> 00:22:37.599 a lot of responsibilities. I care giving my mother, and 464 00:22:37.599 --> 00:22:39.920 all that time, I was like, man, plus, somebody has 465 00:22:39.960 --> 00:22:42.440 to be here, somebody has to be home and hold 466 00:22:42.480 --> 00:22:44.480 it down. So when people come here, they know, oh no, 467 00:22:44.519 --> 00:22:46.160 you got to go holler or you got to go 468 00:22:46.200 --> 00:22:49.000 holler at these people or these cats over here that's 469 00:22:49.039 --> 00:22:51.640 doing this or whatever. And you know, and I make 470 00:22:51.720 --> 00:22:54.359 sure that I stay tapped in, try to tap in 471 00:22:54.440 --> 00:22:58.359 with a number of different areas and arenas of art here. 472 00:22:58.440 --> 00:23:00.680 Like you know, it's jazz. I got ass casts. I'm 473 00:23:00.680 --> 00:23:04.279 doing stuff with University really University of Maryland Jazz Ensemble, 474 00:23:04.279 --> 00:23:06.279 Big band Jazz. I've been hitting with them. We just 475 00:23:06.319 --> 00:23:10.200 did UDC Jazz Festival, mid Atlantic Jazz Festival. I'm I'm 476 00:23:10.200 --> 00:23:13.039 a feature MC with them like I'm doing, you know, 477 00:23:13.440 --> 00:23:15.160 going making sure. If I need to go to the 478 00:23:15.160 --> 00:23:17.480 go go seeing, I'll go tap my man killer Cal 479 00:23:17.519 --> 00:23:19.079 you know what I'm saying. The essays, I'd be like Cayle, 480 00:23:19.160 --> 00:23:21.400 I need to roll with you. He'll take me. You know, 481 00:23:21.400 --> 00:23:23.160 we go hit fast at these and we go hit 482 00:23:23.200 --> 00:23:26.039 somewhere you know where essence is at, and then you 483 00:23:26.079 --> 00:23:29.039 know there's other things that's happening. I try to stay 484 00:23:29.079 --> 00:23:31.680 tapped in the you know, local cast, different artists that 485 00:23:31.720 --> 00:23:34.119 are not from the U street scene. PI can kill 486 00:23:34.119 --> 00:23:36.599 a corn and other people that are doing their thing. 487 00:23:37.119 --> 00:23:40.160 I try to stay tapped in because we are so 488 00:23:40.359 --> 00:23:44.319 much and that's my gem and I personality right, multiple sides, right, 489 00:23:44.359 --> 00:23:47.160 I try. I see the value in each side. So 490 00:23:47.240 --> 00:23:49.720 I always try to stay tapped in and so that 491 00:23:49.920 --> 00:23:53.039 I know people from all different types of arenas. You 492 00:23:53.160 --> 00:23:56.079 see how hard it is to walk and black kids. 493 00:23:57.559 --> 00:23:58.000 Studio. 494 00:23:58.359 --> 00:24:00.599 You know from all walks, and it's about giving love 495 00:24:00.640 --> 00:24:03.839 and staying truth. One thing about this city we respect 496 00:24:03.960 --> 00:24:07.680 the real without regardless of what you are, you better 497 00:24:07.720 --> 00:24:09.839 be real about it. Because you're gonna get your card pool, 498 00:24:09.920 --> 00:24:12.359 you know what I'm saying. So my thing is real 499 00:24:12.440 --> 00:24:15.960 love and it ain't situational love. It's like, I really 500 00:24:16.000 --> 00:24:17.920 love humans, man, you know what I'm saying. And I 501 00:24:17.920 --> 00:24:22.359 think that's missing, right, that humanity. Right, So I take 502 00:24:22.400 --> 00:24:24.319 an l if you if you got some messed up 503 00:24:24.440 --> 00:24:26.319 energy or whatever, I'm gonna let you. I'm gonna let 504 00:24:26.359 --> 00:24:28.240 God deal with that stuff, you know what I'm saying. 505 00:24:28.759 --> 00:24:31.400 But I'm gonna give you love, right, and it ain't 506 00:24:31.440 --> 00:24:34.119 gonna stop my movement. I'm always gonna have a movement, 507 00:24:34.160 --> 00:24:36.200 you know what I mean. So I can walk into 508 00:24:36.240 --> 00:24:38.079 any room and not look over my shoulder, and I 509 00:24:38.119 --> 00:24:42.599 think that's one of the fabrics of being here that 510 00:24:42.799 --> 00:24:44.759 you know, did things like make me walk out on 511 00:24:44.839 --> 00:24:49.960 Quincy Jones? Yeah, wait wait wait, wait hey, hey, hey, 512 00:24:50.000 --> 00:24:52.880 you gotta tell me that we're not gonna tell that 513 00:24:52.920 --> 00:24:56.319 story in the film that's in it not so walk 514 00:24:56.559 --> 00:24:57.960 watch the film and see that. 515 00:25:04.119 --> 00:25:09.119 Yes he did, because I look, but it's who it is. Man. 516 00:25:09.160 --> 00:25:11.200 We ain't on no sucker time. Man. I'm like, you know, 517 00:25:12.000 --> 00:25:13.880 you be what you about and if you try to 518 00:25:13.920 --> 00:25:16.720 make things work, but I'm not going to sell out 519 00:25:16.759 --> 00:25:19.440 who I am for something that I don't really believe 520 00:25:19.519 --> 00:25:21.960 is pushing the needle. That's dope, you know what I'm saying. 521 00:25:21.960 --> 00:25:24.119 And I'm just like that, I'm just not that dude. 522 00:25:24.640 --> 00:25:26.799 And you know, it's a respect, it's a love. But 523 00:25:27.000 --> 00:25:28.640 like I'm staying over what I stand and I'm so 524 00:25:28.839 --> 00:25:32.000 glad that I did that now because that's part of 525 00:25:32.000 --> 00:25:33.119 my legacy. 526 00:25:32.960 --> 00:25:34.559 Exactly, you know, exactly so. 527 00:25:35.119 --> 00:25:38.799 And I love the fact I do a show every 528 00:25:39.400 --> 00:25:42.440 every month where I get to sit down with filmmakers 529 00:25:42.480 --> 00:25:45.640 who are doing it right here and give them the 530 00:25:45.720 --> 00:25:48.839 love that they need to hear for doing stuff here. 531 00:25:49.039 --> 00:25:51.960 I mean again, like you said, they have the opportunity, 532 00:25:52.000 --> 00:25:56.799 the option to go anywhere Atlanta, New York, Los Angeles, wherever, 533 00:25:57.400 --> 00:26:00.559 but I give them props for staying here and giving 534 00:26:00.559 --> 00:26:04.039 back to our community. And so it's it's so important, 535 00:26:04.079 --> 00:26:08.440 I think for our film festival to start highlighting those stories, 536 00:26:09.039 --> 00:26:12.720 highlighting your story and other stories that are happening that 537 00:26:12.799 --> 00:26:17.000 are hit ours, and I hope people start coming out 538 00:26:17.039 --> 00:26:20.440 and understanding that this is our festival that we need 539 00:26:20.480 --> 00:26:23.119 to support it as well. And I know you got 540 00:26:23.160 --> 00:26:25.839 your fans and your friends are gonna come out. But 541 00:26:26.279 --> 00:26:28.319 I want everyone to hear this story. This is a 542 00:26:28.319 --> 00:26:31.240 little I mean, just like just like a second ago 543 00:26:31.359 --> 00:26:35.119 I would happened. I would I would love for you know, 544 00:26:35.319 --> 00:26:38.039 seventy percent of the audience for me not know them, right, 545 00:26:38.119 --> 00:26:39.640 that would be great, right, you know what I mean. 546 00:26:39.720 --> 00:26:41.119 So I definitely want to get this out. 547 00:26:41.240 --> 00:26:44.920 Unfortunately that's not gonna happen. The whole audience coming. 548 00:26:46.880 --> 00:26:48.960 Well, we need to get another we might have to 549 00:26:49.000 --> 00:26:50.039 open up another showing. 550 00:26:50.319 --> 00:26:53.480 We had a conversation around that and uh yeah, so 551 00:26:53.559 --> 00:26:55.319 well we don't see how it plays out. 552 00:26:55.359 --> 00:26:56.480 We'll see how it plays out. 553 00:26:56.720 --> 00:26:58.759 Hey, look man, we you know, look, you know, you 554 00:26:58.799 --> 00:27:01.279 know in the promotion game, and gotta over promote because 555 00:27:01.319 --> 00:27:03.039 you know, some are always coming up with people. People 556 00:27:03.079 --> 00:27:04.680 are a thousand people, Oh. 557 00:27:04.599 --> 00:27:06.000 Yeah, we come up, we coming out. 558 00:27:06.400 --> 00:27:08.640 And then twenty people out of that thousand, you know 559 00:27:08.680 --> 00:27:10.640 what I'm saying. So that that's why you got to 560 00:27:10.680 --> 00:27:13.640 promote to fifty thousand so you can get like five, 561 00:27:13.960 --> 00:27:16.400 five hundred or three hundred. 562 00:27:16.759 --> 00:27:18.079 I'm just fascinated, bruh. 563 00:27:18.279 --> 00:27:21.160 And you know, because I was prepared for us to 564 00:27:21.200 --> 00:27:23.799 have a conversation and to be around the film. But 565 00:27:24.440 --> 00:27:28.039 to Charles's point, the film is your life. So you 566 00:27:28.079 --> 00:27:30.559 know this first film, right, first ever? 567 00:27:30.960 --> 00:27:31.119 Right? 568 00:27:31.240 --> 00:27:34.519 So and I heard I heard him speaking of that, 569 00:27:34.559 --> 00:27:36.680 and I'm talking to shout out to my cinematography, my man, 570 00:27:36.720 --> 00:27:39.480 Craig Kilgore and who was in a film group and 571 00:27:39.519 --> 00:27:42.880 all that, and supposedly the thing is to make shorts, 572 00:27:43.240 --> 00:27:46.000 film shorts and stuff to do that before you do 573 00:27:46.279 --> 00:27:48.680 a full feature film. And they were like, yeah, so 574 00:27:48.880 --> 00:27:51.960 we didn't really discover that, like ignorance is bliinch. So 575 00:27:52.319 --> 00:27:54.200 it was like, I was like, man, because I remember 576 00:27:54.200 --> 00:27:56.400 we didn't I didn't have any timeframe for the doc. 577 00:27:56.480 --> 00:27:58.279 I was just like I got all of this stuff 578 00:27:58.279 --> 00:28:01.079 to talk about. I got thirty in views, and I 579 00:28:01.079 --> 00:28:04.519 got all of this footage. I digitized two bags of 580 00:28:04.640 --> 00:28:08.000 VHS tapes from shows and ciphers and things that we've 581 00:28:08.039 --> 00:28:08.440 been doing. 582 00:28:08.519 --> 00:28:08.680 Yeah. 583 00:28:08.759 --> 00:28:11.240 Yeah, and I'm just like, I don't this ain't gonna 584 00:28:11.240 --> 00:28:15.680 fit in uh in a thirty minute where you could 585 00:28:15.720 --> 00:28:18.720 have had to scale it down to eighty two minutes 586 00:28:19.200 --> 00:28:21.519 like it could have it could be a series literally, 587 00:28:21.519 --> 00:28:23.359 because I just so much stuff that I didn't use, 588 00:28:24.000 --> 00:28:26.079 so and I want to try to do some type 589 00:28:26.119 --> 00:28:29.279 of series because every interview was like an hour plus. 590 00:28:29.319 --> 00:28:31.319 I mean, you're talking about DJ Cool, You're talking about 591 00:28:31.440 --> 00:28:35.599 Tannahose Coats, You're talking about Camilla Forbes who runs the 592 00:28:35.640 --> 00:28:38.720 Apollo Theater, like, you know, nonchalant, like all. 593 00:28:38.599 --> 00:28:41.279 Of these people. How all these people connected? 594 00:28:41.359 --> 00:28:43.960 That's d C right, that would bring chat you know, 595 00:28:44.039 --> 00:28:48.599 chap here to how with them and Stinky Deck all 596 00:28:48.640 --> 00:28:51.200 in the same you know what I'm saying, Like, how 597 00:28:51.240 --> 00:28:52.720 does that work? Right? 598 00:28:52.920 --> 00:28:53.440 As d C? 599 00:28:54.400 --> 00:28:57.279 I'm trying to figure out because I saw that I 600 00:28:57.319 --> 00:28:59.480 saw time heat in the in the in the in 601 00:28:59.519 --> 00:29:01.640 the show, Like, how did you not get involved with 602 00:29:01.680 --> 00:29:02.240 Black Panther? 603 00:29:02.359 --> 00:29:03.839 You knew, Chad? You knew? 604 00:29:04.720 --> 00:29:06.400 I mean because I don't know if you know this, 605 00:29:06.480 --> 00:29:10.480 but t was the one that was the one who 606 00:29:11.359 --> 00:29:14.079 set the blueprint for Black Panther as we know he was. 607 00:29:14.319 --> 00:29:18.759 He wrote the comic. The comic, he wrote the yeah, 608 00:29:18.839 --> 00:29:22.440 the latest edition. I mean I was created by Stanley 609 00:29:22.480 --> 00:29:25.519 and Jack Kirby. But Coats is the one who created 610 00:29:25.559 --> 00:29:28.079 the vision that we see that Coogler put on the screen. 611 00:29:28.839 --> 00:29:32.799 And so just to see I mean, it's amazing the 612 00:29:33.119 --> 00:29:39.240 connections that you have. I mean, Chad and Coats and 613 00:29:39.319 --> 00:29:42.920 so many other people. It's just a fantastic video. 614 00:29:43.279 --> 00:29:46.240 How do you get from Chad to Bi to biz Markey, 615 00:29:46.599 --> 00:29:48.960 I'm confused with that the other way around. 616 00:29:49.799 --> 00:29:54.480 Start the other way again and this and see the 617 00:29:55.480 --> 00:29:59.039 the I'm not really a self self absorbed dude, right, 618 00:29:59.359 --> 00:30:01.680 So I didn't. It was a big I really tried 619 00:30:01.720 --> 00:30:05.000 to not not make this about me, and I was 620 00:30:05.039 --> 00:30:09.079 trying to. But my thing is my story is the glue, right, 621 00:30:09.160 --> 00:30:13.319 So my my I've connected to so many things into 622 00:30:13.440 --> 00:30:17.039 so many arenas and generate like everybody's thinking. Everybody thinks 623 00:30:17.039 --> 00:30:18.920 I went to Howard University. I did not go to 624 00:30:18.960 --> 00:30:22.599 Oward University. Everybody like, I hear people hitting me like yo, 625 00:30:22.640 --> 00:30:27.400 ain't you you know? I'm like, yeah, you know, that's fammy, 626 00:30:27.519 --> 00:30:29.680 that's family. But I didn't go there, Like you know 627 00:30:29.680 --> 00:30:33.599 what I'm saying. But Maryland, huh Maryland, No, No, I 628 00:30:33.680 --> 00:30:35.799 didn't go I went to I went to a year 629 00:30:35.839 --> 00:30:38.240 of at Hampton. I went to a year Hampton, like 630 00:30:38.319 --> 00:30:40.839 ninety one ninety two. But it just didn't fit for me, 631 00:30:40.880 --> 00:30:42.079 you know what I'm saying. It was cool, I messing 632 00:30:42.119 --> 00:30:44.640 real grade people down there. I danced down there and everything, 633 00:30:44.680 --> 00:30:46.839 but I couldn't you know, couldn't go back and all that. 634 00:30:47.200 --> 00:30:49.240 So it was a blit, you know what I mean. 635 00:30:49.279 --> 00:30:50.960 And I didn't go straight from high school like I 636 00:30:51.000 --> 00:30:53.039 was on the club scene and I went down there. 637 00:30:53.440 --> 00:30:55.039 A lot of people knew me from the club scene 638 00:30:55.039 --> 00:30:57.119 in DC because everybody came to DC to party right 639 00:30:57.319 --> 00:30:59.359 going to the rints. They was going to the chapter 640 00:30:59.359 --> 00:31:01.480 three of Memory Roger and all that type of stuff. 641 00:31:01.799 --> 00:31:05.799 So that's the thing. It's like I haven't been, but 642 00:31:05.839 --> 00:31:10.039 I've been. I've been involved in generations of art at Howard. 643 00:31:10.759 --> 00:31:13.839 So the early stuff in the early the mid nineties 644 00:31:14.039 --> 00:31:17.720 was the era of my man Young Guru and Tracy 645 00:31:17.799 --> 00:31:20.240 Lee and them and and and all that stuff in 646 00:31:20.319 --> 00:31:24.440 Power Move and doing a cultural initiative, hip hop conferences 647 00:31:24.440 --> 00:31:26.279 and all that type of stuff. Well, my man Tim 648 00:31:26.359 --> 00:31:29.119 Jones and all of that that was that arena and right, 649 00:31:29.160 --> 00:31:32.279 and then after that comes and that's d Dot and 650 00:31:32.359 --> 00:31:34.799 all of them in Puff you know like before like 651 00:31:34.880 --> 00:31:37.799 right after that, and then after that is the era 652 00:31:38.000 --> 00:31:42.119 of you know, Camella and Chad and and then Tynahsee 653 00:31:42.559 --> 00:31:45.279 come comes later. So they're younger than me, right, but 654 00:31:45.359 --> 00:31:47.480 I'm involved in all that because I'm U Street and 655 00:31:47.519 --> 00:31:49.319 a lot of them casts came down U Street to 656 00:31:49.359 --> 00:31:52.319 do stuff. So every time we're doing something, we wind 657 00:31:52.359 --> 00:31:55.759 up being back out. I was dancing for somebody Howard 658 00:31:55.759 --> 00:31:59.880 Steph Lover you know my sis stuff love it was 659 00:32:00.319 --> 00:32:02.440 and I was one of her dances. You know what 660 00:32:02.440 --> 00:32:03.960 I'm saying. I talked about that, you know what I'm saying. 661 00:32:04.000 --> 00:32:06.799 So I didn't know that was in ninety two ninety three. 662 00:32:06.920 --> 00:32:09.200 Men this other dude who went to Howard and we 663 00:32:09.279 --> 00:32:12.279 used to rehearse at Howard, right, and so everything that 664 00:32:12.319 --> 00:32:15.079 we did, all the clubs in Uptown, the you know 665 00:32:15.200 --> 00:32:19.440 the clubhouse, Bomb Shelter, all of them places, right, So 666 00:32:19.680 --> 00:32:22.279 it's the dancing part. And then it was rhyme. Men 667 00:32:22.400 --> 00:32:24.599 coming to the yard to rhyme. That was freestyle and 668 00:32:24.640 --> 00:32:27.279 I'm battling, so I was always up there. And then 669 00:32:27.319 --> 00:32:30.119 it was hip hop theater, right, which is Chad and 670 00:32:30.160 --> 00:32:32.880 all of So I got pulled to do that because 671 00:32:32.960 --> 00:32:35.240 I was just always in the mix, you know what 672 00:32:35.279 --> 00:32:37.880 I'm saying, Always at Cramp and always at our Altist theater, 673 00:32:38.079 --> 00:32:42.160 like always doing stuff. So everybody and people and people 674 00:32:42.160 --> 00:32:45.200 were just like yo grad priest grad priest grad priest 675 00:32:45.359 --> 00:32:47.599 and and That's why I said, man like this at 676 00:32:47.599 --> 00:32:49.480 some point with this dog, hope we give I hope 677 00:32:49.519 --> 00:32:54.000 I can get an honorary degree to be involved in 678 00:32:54.039 --> 00:33:02.079 the educational things re a that joint because I'm just 679 00:33:02.160 --> 00:33:05.680 so involved in generations of art there. I mean, you know, 680 00:33:05.720 --> 00:33:08.720 Felicia Rashad was just doing Breakfast Club talking about you know, 681 00:33:09.000 --> 00:33:12.400 hip hop theater and Chad and how that started at Howard, 682 00:33:12.440 --> 00:33:13.599 you know, and so it's you know. 683 00:33:14.079 --> 00:33:18.759 Does anybody did anybody have any clue about this guy 684 00:33:18.839 --> 00:33:19.799 man like I'm talking about? 685 00:33:20.319 --> 00:33:20.559 Was it? 686 00:33:20.799 --> 00:33:23.559 Did anybody else see how about Chad and go? 687 00:33:24.200 --> 00:33:25.160 He could be special? 688 00:33:25.519 --> 00:33:27.720 Chad was always he was well, you know, and again 689 00:33:27.759 --> 00:33:29.960 we weren't real tight. You know. It was a cat 690 00:33:30.000 --> 00:33:32.119 that I met through the theater process. But he was 691 00:33:32.200 --> 00:33:34.359 real tight with some of my other younger brothers in 692 00:33:34.400 --> 00:33:36.519 the Freestyle Union. They had a group called Human Profits 693 00:33:36.559 --> 00:33:40.920 and a man Jabari and them. But they they brought 694 00:33:40.920 --> 00:33:43.319 me like they him and Camilla came and sought me 695 00:33:43.519 --> 00:33:45.680 to come to the Dude the hip hop theater. Ron 696 00:33:45.759 --> 00:33:49.599 deferred piece with them because I was doing a lot 697 00:33:49.640 --> 00:33:51.799 of stuff at that time. I think Tanna Hose had 698 00:33:51.799 --> 00:33:54.400 did a cover story article on us at the City 699 00:33:54.440 --> 00:34:01.119 Paper in the Atlantic and then too right, No, no, 700 00:34:01.160 --> 00:34:03.720 he worked at the Atlantic. He worked at he was 701 00:34:03.720 --> 00:34:05.440 at the Washington City Paper though, you know what I'm saying. 702 00:34:05.440 --> 00:34:07.480 When he was he was doing school right and everything, 703 00:34:07.519 --> 00:34:10.079 and then stuff for the Washington Post. So we were everywhere. 704 00:34:10.119 --> 00:34:12.519 So they came and got me, and that's how I 705 00:34:12.519 --> 00:34:14.559 met chatting them, you know what I'm saying. So, but 706 00:34:16.000 --> 00:34:19.000 Chad was always he was always him like the same 707 00:34:19.119 --> 00:34:23.519 cat that he remained. That dude. He's very spiritual, very humble, 708 00:34:24.480 --> 00:34:27.840 very about his craft and and just you know, real 709 00:34:27.960 --> 00:34:31.559 grateful and that I think that's the what I'm most 710 00:34:31.599 --> 00:34:34.840 proud about with him is that through his whole career, 711 00:34:35.440 --> 00:34:37.880 even to the last movie he was in when he 712 00:34:37.960 --> 00:34:41.079 was battling cancer and having to I know a number 713 00:34:41.079 --> 00:34:44.719 of different actors and stars that were in movies, they 714 00:34:44.800 --> 00:34:47.840 you know, even Violetta Davis was like, h Viola Davis 715 00:34:47.920 --> 00:34:51.480 was like that. They were kind of thought that he 716 00:34:51.599 --> 00:34:54.840 was acting like uh, you know, big and stuff because 717 00:34:54.880 --> 00:34:57.440 he was getting all of the special care and he 718 00:34:57.599 --> 00:35:03.079 just kept rub but you know, and how bad they 719 00:35:03.119 --> 00:35:06.960 felt after learning that he was battling cancer and literally 720 00:35:07.079 --> 00:35:10.519 dying and doing his art and not mentioning to anyone 721 00:35:11.039 --> 00:35:13.880 like that's a pedigree, that's a cloth, that's a that's 722 00:35:13.920 --> 00:35:16.559 a you know what I'm saying, Like that's a thing, 723 00:35:16.599 --> 00:35:20.079 and that stuff like that is what motivates me and 724 00:35:20.159 --> 00:35:23.280 influences me the most. It's the why you do it 725 00:35:23.320 --> 00:35:25.079 and how you go back. Do you do it for 726 00:35:25.119 --> 00:35:27.760 something bigger than you do you do it for the ancestors. 727 00:35:27.800 --> 00:35:30.760 Do you do it for the community and for the people. 728 00:35:31.400 --> 00:35:33.599 That's why I never waiver. That's why I'm never on 729 00:35:33.679 --> 00:35:37.199 those sucker time because it's for the people. And I'm 730 00:35:37.239 --> 00:35:40.960 looking at these youngins that are eight and nine, and 731 00:35:41.000 --> 00:35:44.599 they looking at stuff because they can't see themselves right 732 00:35:44.800 --> 00:35:48.239 in greatness, So they out here robbing dudes and pulling 733 00:35:48.320 --> 00:35:50.599 up the yns and all that type of stuff because 734 00:35:50.639 --> 00:35:54.639 they can't see you, feel me. So anything that we 735 00:35:54.719 --> 00:35:57.440 can do to help these young and see through this 736 00:35:57.719 --> 00:36:01.119 crazy system that we're all trying to navigate, it's our 737 00:36:01.159 --> 00:36:05.719 responsibility to shine that light and to try to be 738 00:36:05.880 --> 00:36:08.559 that and then give them a time when they come 739 00:36:08.639 --> 00:36:12.760 to a story yard, give them that time. You feel me? Wow, Now, 740 00:36:12.840 --> 00:36:18.880 that's why he's called priest. I'm just sitting there like 741 00:36:18.920 --> 00:36:24.199 this look that I'm passionate and I'm passionate. I'm just passionate, 742 00:36:24.199 --> 00:36:28.079 but like I really am, I'm just passionate about purpose. 743 00:36:28.480 --> 00:36:32.079 So we got we got about ten minutes priests Biz Marquie. 744 00:36:32.280 --> 00:36:33.000 Here's a brother. 745 00:36:33.320 --> 00:36:36.159 We had a good friend of mine who's the hip 746 00:36:36.199 --> 00:36:39.440 hop artist Empty Chill out of Cleveland, and he and 747 00:36:39.480 --> 00:36:42.199 I have had long conversations with him and Biz we're 748 00:36:42.280 --> 00:36:47.679 kind of tight, right, So it was at dude another dude, 749 00:36:47.760 --> 00:36:48.920 man who was here? 750 00:36:49.000 --> 00:36:51.079 I saw? I ran into Biz one time and Booie, 751 00:36:51.159 --> 00:36:52.679 I was like, was here the longest? 752 00:36:52.760 --> 00:36:55.440 Yeah, it's funny because when it because I was saying 753 00:36:55.440 --> 00:36:59.000 I was telling somebody jokingly because it's me instead of saying, hey. 754 00:36:58.840 --> 00:37:00.880 Man, like your music. I w was like, what you're 755 00:37:00.920 --> 00:37:01.320 doing here? 756 00:37:01.480 --> 00:37:02.119 Right? 757 00:37:03.639 --> 00:37:07.000 So talk about talk about some time with bis man. 758 00:37:09.960 --> 00:37:13.960 With times that I can talk about on it. NA Man, 759 00:37:13.960 --> 00:37:17.800 that's big bro. Man. Look, you know I talk about 760 00:37:17.800 --> 00:37:19.440 this in the dock and how we met and everything. 761 00:37:19.800 --> 00:37:22.480 I met as a dancer, but literally me rhyming with 762 00:37:22.559 --> 00:37:27.079 Biz got me really taking rhyming seriously because before that 763 00:37:27.119 --> 00:37:30.519 I was a dancer, right and black in ninety two so, 764 00:37:30.559 --> 00:37:33.280 but how we got connected was I was I'm part 765 00:37:33.519 --> 00:37:35.719 part of this crew called house Nation that we should have. 766 00:37:35.960 --> 00:37:38.679 We should be dancers. You know. That's another thing that 767 00:37:38.800 --> 00:37:41.880 we talked about the sub genre of a sub scene 768 00:37:41.880 --> 00:37:44.800 of house music. Here shout out Sam the Man Burns 769 00:37:44.800 --> 00:37:46.800 and rest in Peace and all that. You know what 770 00:37:46.800 --> 00:37:50.719 I mean, Like house music is here Baltimore and everything. Man, 771 00:37:50.760 --> 00:37:52.960 but it's it's you know, we we go back and forth, 772 00:37:53.320 --> 00:37:56.519 but we want to on a club scene. And we 773 00:37:56.559 --> 00:37:59.960 had a crew called house Nation and Tone was apart 774 00:38:00.079 --> 00:38:01.480 of that. So Tones on the dock, you know what 775 00:38:01.480 --> 00:38:04.880 I'm saying. And uh so we did that and that's 776 00:38:04.920 --> 00:38:08.519 how his god wound up becoming his manager in Monty 777 00:38:09.079 --> 00:38:11.440 a la mout Wanza. It was part of the House 778 00:38:11.519 --> 00:38:14.880 Nation and so they wind up starting to throw parties. 779 00:38:15.000 --> 00:38:17.920 He was part of that era of Ronda burying them 780 00:38:17.920 --> 00:38:19.840 and they started do the rents and the clubs and 781 00:38:19.840 --> 00:38:22.400 stuff like that and throwing parties. And they started doing 782 00:38:22.480 --> 00:38:26.199 parties with Bis and because Biz started DJing around that time, 783 00:38:26.559 --> 00:38:29.239 and it just happened to coincide. And then you know, 784 00:38:29.559 --> 00:38:32.320 SOI Biz loved the way Moncie was dealing. So they 785 00:38:32.320 --> 00:38:35.840 started started managining Monsky was managing me. He started like, Yo, 786 00:38:35.880 --> 00:38:37.800 I think you need to really start like rapping, because 787 00:38:37.800 --> 00:38:40.159 I was just I was ciphering and rapping so much. 788 00:38:40.199 --> 00:38:42.239 After the clubs and stuff. He was like, who's the 789 00:38:42.320 --> 00:38:47.000 dancing dude dancing? But every time I come out to 790 00:38:47.000 --> 00:38:48.800 the club, they be ciphering. I'm like, oh, snapped to 791 00:38:48.840 --> 00:38:50.920 jump in. I start baling, you know, stuff like that. 792 00:38:51.480 --> 00:38:53.840 So people just knew that. I was like, you know, 793 00:38:53.960 --> 00:38:55.760 rhym and so that's how we linked up. And we 794 00:38:55.800 --> 00:38:58.320 didn't wind up linking up. When they did a party 795 00:38:58.320 --> 00:39:01.719 with him down University of Virginia. Shout out, Kenny Johnson 796 00:39:01.760 --> 00:39:03.760 down there, who was doing that? And that's how I 797 00:39:03.800 --> 00:39:08.280 got the audio of us freestyling. Kenny and Slam gave 798 00:39:08.360 --> 00:39:12.559 us that audio, Yeah, of us freestyling going, you know, rhyming. 799 00:39:12.599 --> 00:39:15.280 Batting is not battle, but just rhyming at the party. 800 00:39:15.760 --> 00:39:18.079 And then after that business like, yo, man, you got skills. 801 00:39:18.079 --> 00:39:21.880 He's like, yo, you got scales, but you need to 802 00:39:21.960 --> 00:39:24.559 lessen though. I got some things to tell him that 803 00:39:24.679 --> 00:39:27.199 type of thing, and so yeah, we just kind of, 804 00:39:27.239 --> 00:39:30.000 you know, and then we separated because they started doing 805 00:39:30.000 --> 00:39:32.679 their thing and I'm finding. But later on when I 806 00:39:32.679 --> 00:39:36.199 became an engineer, I started working with him again as 807 00:39:36.199 --> 00:39:39.880 an engineer and that so then that's when we reconnected, 808 00:39:40.039 --> 00:39:42.320 right and I started I was recording a lot of 809 00:39:42.320 --> 00:39:45.519 his stuff for Yo Gabba Gabba when he was doing 810 00:39:45.559 --> 00:39:49.159 that that that that show, and then when later stuff 811 00:39:49.199 --> 00:39:51.239 that he did like on Bumpy Knuckles album and stuff 812 00:39:51.239 --> 00:39:54.800 I recorded and Bowie actually yeah, yeah, studio a little 813 00:39:54.960 --> 00:39:56.519 freelance studio I was having down there. 814 00:39:56.559 --> 00:39:57.199 So nice. 815 00:39:57.280 --> 00:39:59.440 Yeah, so you know, so I was kind of just, 816 00:40:00.039 --> 00:40:01.800 you know, it was one of those things we've always 817 00:40:02.039 --> 00:40:05.639 connected periodically type of thing. But but yeah, but he 818 00:40:05.719 --> 00:40:09.320 was very influential. Increase is the glue. The one thing 819 00:40:09.360 --> 00:40:12.039 I want to ask you. I mean, I don't think 820 00:40:12.079 --> 00:40:15.679 you really covered much in the in the in the movie. 821 00:40:16.519 --> 00:40:18.920 You you're a hip hop guy. You you you celebrate 822 00:40:19.159 --> 00:40:23.119 the the the excellence of the rhyming and being great 823 00:40:23.199 --> 00:40:26.360 in what you're doing. The culture kind of changed when 824 00:40:26.519 --> 00:40:28.960 n w A and some of these other people started 825 00:40:29.000 --> 00:40:31.480 coming in. Can you talk about how that affected you 826 00:40:31.559 --> 00:40:35.400 as a as a performer or the industry, how the 827 00:40:35.480 --> 00:40:37.599 change in the industry, what that did. I like to 828 00:40:37.639 --> 00:40:42.199 differentiate that industry versus culture, right right, So you know, 829 00:40:42.519 --> 00:40:44.559 and then what was the question, how did how did it. 830 00:40:44.559 --> 00:40:51.880 Affected come in more prominent than the conscious music that 831 00:40:52.000 --> 00:40:52.280 was out. 832 00:40:53.719 --> 00:40:56.639 I heard more stuff, you know what I mean, But 833 00:40:56.679 --> 00:40:59.599 it didn't affect me because I was pretty much locked 834 00:40:59.599 --> 00:41:01.840 into what I was locked into, you know what I'm saying. 835 00:41:01.880 --> 00:41:05.960 At that time, you're talking what mid to mid to 836 00:41:06.039 --> 00:41:10.159 late nineties, late too late nineties. But when when DC 837 00:41:10.440 --> 00:41:13.480 guys started listening to rapping, they wanted to represent the 838 00:41:13.519 --> 00:41:19.079 West Coast and scarface and yeah, yeah, so again this 839 00:41:19.159 --> 00:41:22.039 is some doc stuff, but you know, d C had 840 00:41:22.039 --> 00:41:24.440 a d C had a thing with New York hip hop. 841 00:41:24.719 --> 00:41:27.679 They had against New York kipp and again that that 842 00:41:27.760 --> 00:41:30.599 goes back to some street stuff, you know, and drugs 843 00:41:30.599 --> 00:41:33.960 and all that. So I think that just became the lens. 844 00:41:34.159 --> 00:41:36.280 And even when dudes didn't realize that that was the 845 00:41:36.320 --> 00:41:38.760 reason they they you know, people that wasn't even in 846 00:41:38.760 --> 00:41:41.400 the streets. They were just like, it just became a thing. Oh, 847 00:41:41.400 --> 00:41:43.320 you're doing the New York Bama stuff. That's that New 848 00:41:43.440 --> 00:41:45.840 York Bama stuff. And even when dudes started getting into 849 00:41:45.880 --> 00:41:48.880 hip hop, it was like, you know, ghetto boys with scarface, 850 00:41:49.280 --> 00:41:51.079 it was you know, in those casts out you know, 851 00:41:51.159 --> 00:41:52.800 rock and with go go bands, so it was n 852 00:41:52.920 --> 00:41:57.239 W A cop is most wanted, you know, and things 853 00:41:57.280 --> 00:41:58.880 like Devin the Dude, you know what I mean, like 854 00:41:59.199 --> 00:42:01.639 that that type of stuff. So yeah, so there was 855 00:42:01.719 --> 00:42:03.599 just always that connection. And of course there's a big 856 00:42:03.639 --> 00:42:06.800 down south, you know, a connection here and in DC 857 00:42:06.920 --> 00:42:09.159 a lot of people you know, connection from the South, 858 00:42:09.199 --> 00:42:10.960 you know what I'm saying. So you know, my folks 859 00:42:11.000 --> 00:42:13.719 from you know, grandparents from North Carolina on my mother's side, 860 00:42:14.000 --> 00:42:17.199 South Carolina my father's side, So there's that thing too. 861 00:42:17.639 --> 00:42:22.719 But there was a thing undercurrent about New York hip hop, 862 00:42:23.119 --> 00:42:25.760 you know what I'm saying, and that was that was 863 00:42:25.920 --> 00:42:28.199 influencing me because I love boom Back and I love 864 00:42:28.239 --> 00:42:30.639 because the boom Back was the soul because of the samples, 865 00:42:31.159 --> 00:42:33.920 it was the breaks. It was the learning about Donald 866 00:42:33.920 --> 00:42:37.280 Bird and learning about you know, uh, you know, the 867 00:42:37.599 --> 00:42:40.400 Ron Carter and jazz Grats and stuff like that, and 868 00:42:40.480 --> 00:42:45.360 learning about people and even tribe called Quests dude who 869 00:42:45.440 --> 00:42:49.800 sampled other outside of you know, soul and then you 870 00:42:49.840 --> 00:42:53.400 know different crazy you know, uh folk folk music and 871 00:42:53.440 --> 00:42:56.320 stuff like that. That's just shows you how far hip 872 00:42:56.320 --> 00:42:58.599 hop can go. So it really didn't affect me. I 873 00:42:58.679 --> 00:43:00.760 was locked in. But what I did learned, I learned 874 00:43:00.800 --> 00:43:05.800 about it. Hip hop spread out right, and you started 875 00:43:05.800 --> 00:43:07.840 because you saw the skill level because a lot of 876 00:43:07.880 --> 00:43:11.280 those cats were fans of the culture and New York 877 00:43:11.360 --> 00:43:13.719 hip hop. I mean, iced T is connected to you know, 878 00:43:13.840 --> 00:43:15.639 to that you know, like a lot of the early 879 00:43:15.840 --> 00:43:18.039 because a lot of a lot of that stuff. New 880 00:43:18.079 --> 00:43:21.679 York was the start, right, so every area had that 881 00:43:21.880 --> 00:43:25.320 lens and those influences. So you had people that really 882 00:43:25.360 --> 00:43:30.199 took the craft of rhymen seriously from every city that 883 00:43:30.280 --> 00:43:31.719 they was there. So that's to me, that's what it 884 00:43:31.760 --> 00:43:34.119 was about. It was about the craft, even if you 885 00:43:34.280 --> 00:43:38.239 regardless of the subject matter, right, I could appreciate the craft. 886 00:43:38.760 --> 00:43:41.639 So I could be a fan of some some gangster 887 00:43:41.679 --> 00:43:44.719 because you know them n W Wait records and especially 888 00:43:44.840 --> 00:43:48.639 ice Cube's first record, America's most was a knockball outis 889 00:43:48.760 --> 00:43:50.800 like you know what I'm saying, And you had to 890 00:43:50.800 --> 00:43:53.320 get past the subject matter. But like on some hip 891 00:43:53.360 --> 00:43:56.719 hop he's doing with the Bomb Squad, but you know 892 00:43:56.719 --> 00:43:58.920 what I'm saying, Yeah, with the productions, you know what 893 00:43:58.960 --> 00:44:02.000 I'm saying, So like shocking and keep shocking, like come on, 894 00:44:02.079 --> 00:44:04.320 So I think when you ahead, when you're a hip 895 00:44:04.320 --> 00:44:07.960 hop head, you you you look at the difference, right, 896 00:44:07.960 --> 00:44:09.719 and you're like, oh, they on this type of time. Okay, 897 00:44:09.760 --> 00:44:11.599 but what what what the rhymes looking like? What the 898 00:44:11.599 --> 00:44:14.320 beats looking like? So I think that's from us who 899 00:44:14.400 --> 00:44:17.000 do it? That's kind of the less we have, you know. 900 00:44:17.559 --> 00:44:20.039 So I was gonna ask you, man, like for the 901 00:44:20.079 --> 00:44:22.360 audience is coming out man to watch the movie. But 902 00:44:22.400 --> 00:44:25.760 I guess the last the last forty five minutes, you've 903 00:44:25.760 --> 00:44:27.559 set up the movie for people to come out of 904 00:44:27.599 --> 00:44:27.920 watch that. 905 00:44:28.079 --> 00:44:30.280 Well, you know, it's funny because the questions come and 906 00:44:30.320 --> 00:44:32.519 the doctor dresses it, does you know what I mean? 907 00:44:32.639 --> 00:44:34.760 Like literally, That's why that's one of the reasons why 908 00:44:35.159 --> 00:44:36.960 I had to make it that left, because there was 909 00:44:37.079 --> 00:44:40.039 so much connection and it was it was a thing 910 00:44:40.039 --> 00:44:43.239 of discovery. Like the the more I went into just 911 00:44:43.239 --> 00:44:45.920 trying to document stuff, you realize what connects to what 912 00:44:46.400 --> 00:44:48.039 and you're like, Dad, well I can't just let that go. 913 00:44:48.079 --> 00:44:49.760 I need to speak on that and I need to 914 00:44:49.800 --> 00:44:52.360 do it. And that's how I started like putting, really 915 00:44:52.360 --> 00:44:55.920 putting the piece of pieces together. And because different what 916 00:44:56.039 --> 00:44:59.400 I realized is that different eras different years of my 917 00:44:59.519 --> 00:45:02.719 story connected to different things that were going on at 918 00:45:02.719 --> 00:45:05.039 that time. Yeah, you know what I'm saying, because it 919 00:45:05.159 --> 00:45:08.800 was the early nineties, mid nineties, late nineties, early two thousands, 920 00:45:08.960 --> 00:45:10.440 and then going to you know what I'm saying. So 921 00:45:10.840 --> 00:45:13.239 I appreciate that about the film, is that you give 922 00:45:13.280 --> 00:45:16.880 that background that was what's happening so sidly that that 923 00:45:16.960 --> 00:45:20.159 influences you that you city under sea stuff like you 924 00:45:20.159 --> 00:45:22.480 know what I'm saying, what I didn't know this stuff 925 00:45:22.559 --> 00:45:24.920 was going on because I discovered this is barbershop talk 926 00:45:25.039 --> 00:45:29.119 right talking about the you know, Alpo and New York 927 00:45:29.159 --> 00:45:32.000 hustlers coming down here when Ray Felin then was down here, 928 00:45:32.039 --> 00:45:34.440 like all of that stuff was like you just had 929 00:45:34.440 --> 00:45:36.360 to know. I didn't. You know, I didn't know because 930 00:45:36.360 --> 00:45:38.239 I wasn't on the streets, like I wasn't on you know, 931 00:45:38.679 --> 00:45:40.920 I knew people who did it, but you know, I 932 00:45:40.960 --> 00:45:45.480 definitely didn't. So I discovered later. Okay, that was me 933 00:45:45.679 --> 00:45:50.440 understand Oh so this oh yeah, oh yes with Frey 934 00:45:50.480 --> 00:45:54.159 and oh okay, then you start learning stuff and then 935 00:45:54.199 --> 00:45:56.239 you start connecting the dots. Well, this is why I 936 00:45:56.280 --> 00:45:58.519 was getting this type of clock back when I was doing, 937 00:45:58.519 --> 00:46:02.800 Oh this is what year? Yeah? Wow, I started putting 938 00:46:02.800 --> 00:46:05.760 it together. Then I'm like, okay, so it makes sense 939 00:46:05.800 --> 00:46:08.119 for me to tell the story and connect scenes that 940 00:46:08.119 --> 00:46:11.039 were happening at that timeline to give that lens. 941 00:46:11.320 --> 00:46:14.639 Right. So you were talking about the New York d 942 00:46:14.800 --> 00:46:16.679 C piece is funny. I was watching a video the 943 00:46:16.760 --> 00:46:19.320 other day, a Cameron right, and he was telling the 944 00:46:19.360 --> 00:46:21.880 story of how when they were making Paid in Full, 945 00:46:22.519 --> 00:46:25.679 how Dame put a scene in there that he didn't 946 00:46:25.719 --> 00:46:27.800 want to do because he was like, you know, if 947 00:46:27.840 --> 00:46:29.920 you remember the film when he goes, you. 948 00:46:29.880 --> 00:46:31.840 Know, I ain't gonna tell on. 949 00:46:32.079 --> 00:46:37.360 I ain't gonna tell on, and he wound up coming 950 00:46:37.360 --> 00:46:40.800 down he is later and getting shot behind that for real, 951 00:46:40.960 --> 00:46:44.119 Like that's a movie, this real life, but there's real 952 00:46:44.199 --> 00:46:46.880 beef in the streets man, when you're talking about these 953 00:46:46.880 --> 00:46:47.920 two cities. 954 00:46:47.639 --> 00:46:49.960 And you know, and it just I mean me not 955 00:46:50.000 --> 00:46:52.719 being in it, but discovering. I mean, our post name 956 00:46:52.840 --> 00:46:56.519 is is trash here man. So I mean like, I mean, 957 00:46:56.880 --> 00:46:58.599 you know when it comes to DC, because you know 958 00:46:59.079 --> 00:47:02.400 he rather you know that that that whole thing that 959 00:47:02.440 --> 00:47:05.639 it went down, So it's like anything that's a sensitive thing, 960 00:47:06.599 --> 00:47:08.320 you know what I mean, and like I said, I'm 961 00:47:08.320 --> 00:47:09.920 not in it. I don't know you know what I'm saying. 962 00:47:10.719 --> 00:47:15.199 But when you mentioned that to d C dudes, when 963 00:47:15.199 --> 00:47:17.920 you you know cast that was and even today you 964 00:47:18.079 --> 00:47:23.119 mentioned that, I can't tell that, they go, it's right, 965 00:47:23.480 --> 00:47:25.679 this is that you know. I'm like, okay, yeah, but 966 00:47:25.719 --> 00:47:27.679 it's the same way with anyone. You know what I'm saying. 967 00:47:27.719 --> 00:47:30.519 But yeah, So I just I just really discovered a 968 00:47:30.519 --> 00:47:30.880 lot of that. 969 00:47:31.039 --> 00:47:31.239 Man. 970 00:47:31.280 --> 00:47:33.519 So well, bro, look. 971 00:47:35.000 --> 00:47:37.079 We can have this conversation for a couple of hours. 972 00:47:37.599 --> 00:47:41.000 But again the other thing, now, you will you want 973 00:47:41.039 --> 00:47:44.320 to announce that Doubt announced the newest development now or 974 00:47:44.519 --> 00:47:47.320 she should we just wait? You're talking about what we 975 00:47:47.360 --> 00:47:49.880 talked about, because we already gonna have the film. We're 976 00:47:49.880 --> 00:47:52.000 gonna be doing the Q and A with you, a 977 00:47:52.000 --> 00:47:54.559 post film Q and A. But I think there's another 978 00:47:54.639 --> 00:47:57.000 talk you're gonna be doing pre film. 979 00:47:57.280 --> 00:48:01.159 Oh you're talking about the Yeah, you want. 980 00:48:01.039 --> 00:48:02.119 To tell them, you know? 981 00:48:02.199 --> 00:48:05.199 All right, So as I said, the film is going 982 00:48:05.320 --> 00:48:11.599 to premiere, you're laughing. 983 00:48:13.880 --> 00:48:17.559 We talked, I know what you're talking about. Now we 984 00:48:17.559 --> 00:48:18.280 ain't talking about that. 985 00:48:18.440 --> 00:48:22.239 But your film, of course is gonna is gonna premiere 986 00:48:22.280 --> 00:48:24.960 on at seven thirty on Friday, June the sixth, Right, 987 00:48:25.000 --> 00:48:27.800 So there's gonna be a post Q and A hosted 988 00:48:27.840 --> 00:48:30.320 by one of the hosts here at d C Radio, 989 00:48:30.639 --> 00:48:32.960 Troy Pinkney, who's one of the co hosts of the 990 00:48:33.039 --> 00:48:35.599 Hip Hop Morritors. So he's gonna he's gonna sit down 991 00:48:35.639 --> 00:48:37.960 with you after the film for the audience in the theater. 992 00:48:38.360 --> 00:48:41.920 But prior to the film being screened, we've set up 993 00:48:41.960 --> 00:48:44.519 another talk, a half hour talk that we're gonna do 994 00:48:45.519 --> 00:48:47.639 which hasn't been made public and this is really the 995 00:48:47.639 --> 00:48:49.800 first time we're talking about it. That's gonna be over 996 00:48:49.920 --> 00:48:53.840 at Bertland over in Union Market prior to the film. 997 00:48:53.920 --> 00:48:55.760 So we still got to work out what time that's 998 00:48:55.760 --> 00:48:58.679 gonna be and then put that out on social media. 999 00:48:58.719 --> 00:49:00.760 But we give people to come. People that's in the 1000 00:49:00.760 --> 00:49:02.960 festival or you know, come in and come early. Man, 1001 00:49:03.000 --> 00:49:04.840 let's let's let's talk about Look. 1002 00:49:04.880 --> 00:49:07.239 I want I want the people to get some I 1003 00:49:07.280 --> 00:49:09.360 want I want them to get love to you. 1004 00:49:09.199 --> 00:49:14.039 And I want you, yes, sir, sir bro. So I'm 1005 00:49:14.039 --> 00:49:16.400 looking forward to that, man, looking forward to you being 1006 00:49:16.440 --> 00:49:16.760 in there. 1007 00:49:16.840 --> 00:49:17.039 Man. 1008 00:49:17.519 --> 00:49:19.320 Uh be read copy ready. 1009 00:49:19.119 --> 00:49:22.639 Bro, i'ma be hip hop. 1010 00:49:25.639 --> 00:49:27.960 Hang out hang out, man, we just gonna chop up 1011 00:49:27.960 --> 00:49:31.519 two films real quick man. So Charles Kirkling man priest 1012 00:49:31.639 --> 00:49:34.599 is in here, so you normally a little extra. 1013 00:49:34.920 --> 00:49:36.159 I want you to tone it down. 1014 00:49:36.320 --> 00:49:41.880 What so first, every time I tell you, every time 1015 00:49:41.920 --> 00:49:44.159 we do that, people are like with something wrong with Charles? 1016 00:49:44.199 --> 00:49:47.599 What's wrong with you? Just kind of low na man? 1017 00:49:47.639 --> 00:49:50.519 So I think we're gonna start with you. Look like 1018 00:49:50.559 --> 00:49:53.519 we're gonna start with yours first. What is it called flight? 1019 00:49:53.679 --> 00:49:53.760 Up? 1020 00:49:55.079 --> 00:49:55.400 Fight on? 1021 00:49:55.519 --> 00:49:56.920 Fight? You got the description up? 1022 00:49:57.159 --> 00:50:00.480 I do not? Oh, man, come on, he let me 1023 00:50:00.480 --> 00:50:02.760 know when these jones are showing too, because I want 1024 00:50:02.800 --> 00:50:06.880 to make sure this weekend I'm assuming okay, fight or Flight? 1025 00:50:07.320 --> 00:50:11.320 This is a mercenary takes on the job of tracking 1026 00:50:11.360 --> 00:50:14.440 down a target on a plane, but must protect her 1027 00:50:14.840 --> 00:50:18.360 when they've been surrounded by people trying to kill both 1028 00:50:18.400 --> 00:50:22.519 of them. Directed by James Madigan and stars Josh Hartnett 1029 00:50:22.559 --> 00:50:25.960 and Sharitha Chandran and Katie Sakoff. 1030 00:50:27.920 --> 00:50:30.360 So give us a breakdown, man, what's this movie about? 1031 00:50:30.519 --> 00:50:33.360 When I saw this movie, I said, oh, this is 1032 00:50:33.440 --> 00:50:37.199 just bullet bullet training on a plane. That's I mean, basically, 1033 00:50:37.280 --> 00:50:39.719 that's all it is. I mean from the beginning of 1034 00:50:39.760 --> 00:50:44.360 the movie, Josh Hartning is this washed out ex secret 1035 00:50:44.400 --> 00:50:47.800 service guy who gets called into service to track down 1036 00:50:47.840 --> 00:50:51.800 this person because the CIA has crapped the bed and 1037 00:50:51.840 --> 00:50:56.000 they originally turning to him to save this person off 1038 00:50:56.039 --> 00:50:59.800 of flight. Unbeknownst to him, everybody on the flight has 1039 00:50:59.840 --> 00:51:03.039 Now I'll become aware that he's on this plane, and 1040 00:51:02.760 --> 00:51:07.800 he's he's like persona non grata throughout the spy espionage world. 1041 00:51:08.199 --> 00:51:10.320 So not only are they trying to capture the person 1042 00:51:10.360 --> 00:51:13.000 that he's captured going to capture, but they're trying to 1043 00:51:13.079 --> 00:51:16.119 kill him as well. So he's got to fight from 1044 00:51:16.159 --> 00:51:19.280 the beginning of the plane right to the end of 1045 00:51:19.280 --> 00:51:24.000 the plane, right just killing people and in creative ways. 1046 00:51:24.199 --> 00:51:26.679 I can say that there's one scene where a chainsaw 1047 00:51:27.039 --> 00:51:28.920 and how do you get a chainsaw on the plane? 1048 00:51:29.199 --> 00:51:32.920 I don't know, but they explained it decently, I suppose 1049 00:51:32.960 --> 00:51:37.480 in this film. So, uh, there's there's another scene in 1050 00:51:37.519 --> 00:51:40.199 there where this one woman is fighting him and she 1051 00:51:40.719 --> 00:51:44.000 engages with his manhood in a way that I was like, 1052 00:51:45.199 --> 00:51:51.639 I'm very uncomfortable here, ultra violent, over the top, but 1053 00:51:51.760 --> 00:51:56.079 it's a lot of fun. Let Yeah, this was Ultra 1054 00:51:56.159 --> 00:51:58.039 Vivia too. This is a thing that we're having for 1055 00:51:58.079 --> 00:51:59.920 the show Ultra viblet. 1056 00:52:00.119 --> 00:52:00.719 Watch both of these. 1057 00:52:00.920 --> 00:52:01.800 I watched both of them. 1058 00:52:01.800 --> 00:52:03.159 You're sure you're gonna need some therapy? 1059 00:52:03.199 --> 00:52:03.400 You do? 1060 00:52:04.559 --> 00:52:06.239 Wow? 1061 00:52:06.840 --> 00:52:07.840 Pretty much? Talking about it? 1062 00:52:09.280 --> 00:52:15.280 So yeah, again, violent but fun and you know it's 1063 00:52:15.320 --> 00:52:17.159 one of those just turn your brain off and then 1064 00:52:17.159 --> 00:52:18.039 sit back and relax. 1065 00:52:18.320 --> 00:52:20.400 All right, cool, cool, all right? So what you're gonna 1066 00:52:20.400 --> 00:52:23.079 grade this thing? I give it a C plus plus. 1067 00:52:24.280 --> 00:52:24.760 All right? 1068 00:52:25.199 --> 00:52:28.519 So that was that was violent? Huh, Yeah, it's not 1069 00:52:28.639 --> 00:52:29.840 as violent. 1070 00:52:31.039 --> 00:52:33.119 Were about to talk about, all right. 1071 00:52:33.280 --> 00:52:37.400 Coming up next, After a drug deal gone wrong, a 1072 00:52:37.440 --> 00:52:41.559 bruise detective must fight his way through the criminal underworld 1073 00:52:41.920 --> 00:52:46.679 to rescue a politician's a strange son, unraveling a deep 1074 00:52:46.840 --> 00:52:51.760 web of corruption and conspiracy that ensnarees his entire city 1075 00:52:52.480 --> 00:52:57.880 in havoc. This film starts Tom Hardy, Timothy Oliphant, far 1076 00:52:57.920 --> 00:53:01.280 As Whittaker, A gang of people, man, and I'm gonna 1077 00:53:01.280 --> 00:53:04.519 go first on this one. Okay, Now, Charles, if you 1078 00:53:04.599 --> 00:53:07.920 if you listened to this podcast this fifteenth year we've 1079 00:53:07.920 --> 00:53:09.239 been doing it, but Charles and I have been doing 1080 00:53:09.239 --> 00:53:10.599 it about seven eight years now. 1081 00:53:11.000 --> 00:53:13.000 If you listen to us every week. You know, we 1082 00:53:13.159 --> 00:53:14.199 like violent movies. 1083 00:53:14.840 --> 00:53:15.440 We love it. 1084 00:53:15.639 --> 00:53:15.840 Right. 1085 00:53:16.719 --> 00:53:19.400 We were in Toronto a year ago and it was 1086 00:53:19.440 --> 00:53:22.159 a movie called Kisch and were we in there at 1087 00:53:22.199 --> 00:53:22.800 the same time. 1088 00:53:23.400 --> 00:53:25.840 I believe we were. Yeah. We went the cheering like 1089 00:53:25.920 --> 00:53:27.119 seven year old kids. 1090 00:53:26.880 --> 00:53:31.119 Like whoa, No he didn't. 1091 00:53:31.320 --> 00:53:35.199 So I'm look, look, I love violent films. And then 1092 00:53:35.239 --> 00:53:35.760 this havoc. 1093 00:53:36.760 --> 00:53:40.760 I watched this movie and let me tell you, I 1094 00:53:40.800 --> 00:53:42.760 told you the plot of what it's about. So Tom 1095 00:53:42.800 --> 00:53:48.320 Hardy is playing like this, this detective who is ensnared, 1096 00:53:48.679 --> 00:53:50.840 you know with this, I guess he's the mayor of 1097 00:53:50.920 --> 00:53:53.880 the town far as his character is the mayor, and 1098 00:53:53.920 --> 00:54:01.360 his son is caught in a very uncompromising, very compromising position. 1099 00:54:01.400 --> 00:54:04.880 I has to say that results in the depths of 1100 00:54:05.000 --> 00:54:09.920 some people, right, So he's gotta go major people. So 1101 00:54:10.400 --> 00:54:13.639 he is tasked to as a final favorite to the 1102 00:54:13.679 --> 00:54:16.440 mayor go get my son, which. 1103 00:54:16.360 --> 00:54:20.360 Leads to this generally save his life literally. 1104 00:54:20.880 --> 00:54:23.280 And but let me just say this, man, for the record, 1105 00:54:23.920 --> 00:54:25.239 I love violent movies. 1106 00:54:26.480 --> 00:54:30.719 This movie is way too much. Bro. I was on 1107 00:54:30.760 --> 00:54:31.760 the phone with Charles. 1108 00:54:31.800 --> 00:54:33.800 We were talking about it before we came on the show, 1109 00:54:33.840 --> 00:54:35.519 because I had to watch it in pieces right. So 1110 00:54:35.840 --> 00:54:37.760 I would watch maybe twenty minutes and go, this is 1111 00:54:37.760 --> 00:54:39.679 a lot. Man would turn this off and then he 1112 00:54:39.800 --> 00:54:41.119 was like, you know, we got to talk about it, Dan. 1113 00:54:41.199 --> 00:54:42.480 I go, okay, let me watch some more of it. 1114 00:54:44.000 --> 00:54:44.920 I watch some more of it. 1115 00:54:44.960 --> 00:54:49.760 I'm like, really, this is nothing, dude. There, okay. 1116 00:54:49.880 --> 00:54:53.119 There's a couple of scenes in this thing right where 1117 00:54:54.199 --> 00:54:55.159 the police are. 1118 00:54:55.119 --> 00:54:57.119 Chasing some criminals in the truck. 1119 00:54:57.199 --> 00:55:00.480 Right now, we've seen criminals being chased in Trusty about 1120 00:55:00.719 --> 00:55:03.320 Eddie Murphy and Beverly Hills cop wear truck tails in 1121 00:55:03.360 --> 00:55:03.679 the city. 1122 00:55:04.639 --> 00:55:08.079 I don't think I've ever seen a scene where they. 1123 00:55:07.960 --> 00:55:12.880 Open up the back of the truck and throw washing 1124 00:55:13.039 --> 00:55:17.880 machine full of coke into a police car, trapping police 1125 00:55:17.880 --> 00:55:21.039 officer who was sitting there with coke fumes as he's dying. 1126 00:55:21.119 --> 00:55:25.320 Like I said, what is going on? They are just 1127 00:55:25.559 --> 00:55:27.360 it is just all truck. 1128 00:55:27.480 --> 00:55:33.800 This is not a violent film. This is truck bruh. No, 1129 00:55:33.840 --> 00:55:37.719 you do not. And you know what's funny. Here's and 1130 00:55:37.880 --> 00:55:38.679 I should say this, I. 1131 00:55:38.599 --> 00:55:43.719 Don't know whether washing machine full of that's just that's 1132 00:55:43.719 --> 00:55:44.039 just one. 1133 00:55:44.199 --> 00:55:49.039 That's just one scene and that's an opening. But no, no, 1134 00:55:49.199 --> 00:55:55.360 but then this more but but you know it's funny, Charles. 1135 00:55:55.400 --> 00:55:58.000 Have you ever had to watch an action film or 1136 00:55:58.000 --> 00:55:59.920 a violent film where there are times where you just. 1137 00:55:59.840 --> 00:56:01.000 Go, I just can't watch that. 1138 00:56:01.119 --> 00:56:02.159 Have you ever had that happen? 1139 00:56:03.159 --> 00:56:03.400 No? 1140 00:56:04.000 --> 00:56:05.079 I did. In this movie. 1141 00:56:05.400 --> 00:56:08.159 I was like, whoa dude. I was on the phone 1142 00:56:08.159 --> 00:56:09.320 with Charles and I watched. 1143 00:56:09.039 --> 00:56:12.000 One of the killing scenes and I went, so unnecessary, 1144 00:56:13.159 --> 00:56:13.880 there's no need. 1145 00:56:14.079 --> 00:56:16.119 You don't have to shoot somebody through the throat or 1146 00:56:16.199 --> 00:56:16.800 the cord that. 1147 00:56:17.039 --> 00:56:23.559 Come on, man, it's just too much. Man. So for 1148 00:56:23.679 --> 00:56:26.840 that reason, they got automatic weapons and they got to 1149 00:56:26.840 --> 00:56:29.800 shoot somebody with the automatic weapon like eight times, right, 1150 00:56:30.039 --> 00:56:30.400 I mean. 1151 00:56:32.320 --> 00:56:33.199 But you gotta go. 1152 00:56:36.039 --> 00:56:41.440 So directed by Gareth evans Man who did Raid. Uh, 1153 00:56:41.480 --> 00:56:44.239 and then the second Raid, Raid Redemption. I now, what's 1154 00:56:44.239 --> 00:56:46.880 this in Raid? We don't need all those guns? 1155 00:56:46.880 --> 00:56:47.440 We got one? 1156 00:56:47.519 --> 00:56:47.719 Man? 1157 00:56:47.840 --> 00:56:56.039 Have you ever seen Raid? What's this? Brook? I'm me 1158 00:56:56.199 --> 00:56:57.079 tell you the other secret. 1159 00:56:57.119 --> 00:56:57.320 Look. 1160 00:56:57.800 --> 00:57:01.440 I watched Raid Redemption before I saw RAD. I saw Ray, 1161 00:57:02.199 --> 00:57:02.920 and so there was like. 1162 00:57:03.239 --> 00:57:05.719 I went in there and went, man, that dude beat 1163 00:57:05.800 --> 00:57:07.440 up like five hundred guys in that movie. 1164 00:57:07.519 --> 00:57:09.880 Am I wrong? Like with his hands? 1165 00:57:09.960 --> 00:57:13.559 No weapon? Five hundred dudes, easy, but no guns. 1166 00:57:14.000 --> 00:57:16.480 So he was like, I guess Garret Eva was like, yeah, 1167 00:57:17.280 --> 00:57:19.679 we can do the same thing with some guns, and 1168 00:57:19.840 --> 00:57:24.559 boy doesn't. So that's my perspective. I just thought this 1169 00:57:24.719 --> 00:57:28.679 movie was overly violent. Yeah, I agree, And what are 1170 00:57:28.719 --> 00:57:29.079 you thinking? 1171 00:57:29.280 --> 00:57:29.719 I agree? 1172 00:57:29.760 --> 00:57:33.559 It is very violent, up violent, but it's fun. I 1173 00:57:33.599 --> 00:57:37.199 thought it was fun. I thought it was you still 1174 00:57:37.239 --> 00:57:39.800 got issues? You watch both these movies this week. 1175 00:57:39.880 --> 00:57:43.639 I did literally almost back to back one day, and 1176 00:57:43.719 --> 00:57:46.039 then the next day I saw this film and I 1177 00:57:46.239 --> 00:57:48.719 called you up. I said you gotta watch this film, and. 1178 00:57:48.840 --> 00:57:52.599 You were like, I don't know. And then you're like, yeah, 1179 00:57:53.119 --> 00:57:54.800 what you know? 1180 00:57:55.000 --> 00:57:57.079 You know, here's another thing that if you don't talk 1181 00:57:57.119 --> 00:58:00.679 to me all the time, charl soon say, you don't 1182 00:58:00.719 --> 00:58:02.840 if you don't talk to me a lot, and Charles, 1183 00:58:02.920 --> 00:58:04.119 I think this might play into it. 1184 00:58:04.400 --> 00:58:05.079 I've been spend a. 1185 00:58:05.079 --> 00:58:08.280 Lot of time watching classic movies on TCM, so I'm watching, 1186 00:58:08.920 --> 00:58:12.519 you know, movies where it's kind of nice. Yeah, I'm 1187 00:58:12.559 --> 00:58:14.840 watching classics, right and and and then I have to 1188 00:58:14.960 --> 00:58:16.679 switch back and forth, so I got to put back 1189 00:58:16.760 --> 00:58:19.559 on my current hat after I'm taking off my classic hat. 1190 00:58:19.679 --> 00:58:21.599 And I think maybe you caught me in a moment 1191 00:58:21.639 --> 00:58:23.360 where I was watching something sweet and. 1192 00:58:23.480 --> 00:58:25.800 Kind and then you drop having on me and I 1193 00:58:25.840 --> 00:58:31.760 would hey, you are doing too much. 1194 00:58:33.159 --> 00:58:35.760 Off top, Oh my god. But no, So what would 1195 00:58:35.760 --> 00:58:38.000 you give a grade for having? I gave Havoc a 1196 00:58:38.079 --> 00:58:40.480 be minus. I really liked having. 1197 00:58:40.639 --> 00:58:43.239 I gave Havoc an incomplete, man, because I think I 1198 00:58:43.360 --> 00:58:44.320 watched the whole movie. 1199 00:58:44.360 --> 00:58:46.719 But I'm like, bruh Okay, here's a great if I 1200 00:58:46.760 --> 00:58:49.199 don't want it, like, there might be some folks in audience. 1201 00:58:49.239 --> 00:58:51.199 Man, they can't do violence. Man, all right, So here's 1202 00:58:51.239 --> 00:58:53.719 the great thing. Havoc is on Netflix. You can watch 1203 00:58:53.760 --> 00:58:57.840 it right now. You should watch Havoc the Fight or 1204 00:58:57.920 --> 00:59:01.280 fighters in theaters. You can watch it this weekend. It's whatever, man, 1205 00:59:01.480 --> 00:59:03.639 all right. So as we tell you, because we gotta 1206 00:59:03.639 --> 00:59:05.559 wrap this thing up. Man, if we tell you guys 1207 00:59:05.679 --> 00:59:09.400 every week in closing, please watch something good of the movies. 1208 00:59:09.679 --> 00:59:12.719 If you got a soft psyche, I wouldn't watch either 1209 00:59:12.719 --> 00:59:13.199 of the movies. 1210 00:59:13.599 --> 00:59:14.360 Just talk about it. 1211 00:59:14.480 --> 00:59:15.800 I want to watch either one of those. 1212 00:59:16.920 --> 00:59:18.480 Watch having it and holler at me and let me 1213 00:59:18.559 --> 00:59:18.760 know what you. 1214 00:59:20.559 --> 00:59:21.760 Psyche, non compliant? 1215 00:59:22.440 --> 00:59:22.840 Right right? 1216 00:59:22.920 --> 00:59:23.039 Right? 1217 00:59:24.360 --> 00:59:28.280 Oh and over half one more time? Man, giving it up? 1218 00:59:28.360 --> 00:59:29.880 Man today for priests and no man. 1219 00:59:30.000 --> 00:59:30.159 Man. 1220 00:59:30.280 --> 00:59:34.159 Thanks for coming through, Man, Charles Kirkling. Man my ride 1221 00:59:34.199 --> 00:59:36.480 a die Bro I'm sim Gordon. Man. 1222 00:59:36.599 --> 00:59:39.639 We out Man. We'll see you guys next week. Man. Peace, Peace,