Speaker 1: Well here we are back again. Happy Thursday. Everyone coming off.
Speaker 1: Everyone's back home after the Gray Cup here, appreciate everyone
Speaker 1: checking in. We'll put the pammel up here, all that
Speaker 1: we've got Andy on here, Jason, everyone's on. We'll do
Speaker 1: some Prephecy stuff here and then we'll kind of get
Speaker 1: into everything. Thanks everyone for checking us out here backstate
Speaker 1: side that. Jason's back of Hamilton that following the Gray Cup.
Speaker 1: Appreciate that. Fifteen thousand plus watching the pregame show bad.
Speaker 1: I'll get into more of that later. We'll talk through
Speaker 1: Gray Cup recap today, kind of the collapse of Winnipeg.
Speaker 1: We're going to talk the Rick Campbell, Edmonton elks BC
Speaker 1: Lions news. We'll do stories and everything else from the
Speaker 1: breakup today so I can subscribe. We're transitioning out of CFL.
Speaker 1: We'll be moving into the UFL here. I think we're
Speaker 1: getting the schedule here. Maybe at some point Andy and
Speaker 1: that we had another pressure release today talking things about
Speaker 1: the UFL. That isn't the schedule, but if you want
Speaker 1: any of that, and once we started getting some actually
Speaker 1: UFL episodes, well maybe we'll do some off season CFL interviews.
Speaker 1: They just don't you know, Cody Fajardo or whoever for
Speaker 1: twelve minutes kind of standalone, just doesn't really do it
Speaker 1: on the YouTube. But let's go around the horn here
Speaker 1: at Jason back in Hamilton. Jason, sir, how are you doing?
Speaker 2: Doing good?
Speaker 3: Read?
Speaker 4: You know, all recovered from the trip out west and
Speaker 4: you know, ready to talk about what we experienced over
Speaker 4: the weekend.
Speaker 5: Evan, how are you?
Speaker 1: Evan getting on another flight here, he says, tomorrow back
Speaker 1: home for Thanksgiving, American Thanksgiving, American thanks team.
Speaker 5: But Evan, how are you, sir?
Speaker 2: Yeah? Doing well. It's been It's been busy man.
Speaker 6: You know, obviously I had some delays getting out there
Speaker 6: to Vancouver for Great Cup, but really enjoyed my time.
Speaker 6: We'll get into that. Made it back without any issues
Speaker 6: and then on the road again, since that's what my
Speaker 6: life seems to be nowadays. So yeah, all good man.
Speaker 5: Andy, how are you, sir?
Speaker 3: I'm great, But I just want to make sure.
Speaker 7: Did you have a hard time subtling on one of
Speaker 7: your five hundred hyperbolic headlines for this podcast or are
Speaker 7: you were satisfied with what you have?
Speaker 5: Yeah?
Speaker 1: It was, you know, it was really hard because I'm
Speaker 1: like every once in a while, I'm like sitting around
Speaker 1: and you know, if we had done more, if I
Speaker 1: hadn't been so busy this summer, like sometimes I like
Speaker 1: to sit around the workshop.
Speaker 5: Yeah, it was like the CFL blew.
Speaker 1: Our Mind and the Great Cup and I've got that
Speaker 1: vid iq. They'll give you like a couple of free
Speaker 1: ideas a day and I'm like, Okay, I gotta wait.
Speaker 1: It's like you're doing the candy crush, right. I got
Speaker 1: to wait twenty four hours and I can try.
Speaker 5: And get But I think it's good.
Speaker 1: I was already getting some Winnipeg people mad at me,
Speaker 1: you know, talking about that.
Speaker 5: But I do think.
Speaker 1: I do think it's a little bit of a collapse here,
Speaker 1: one of the biggest you could look at it. A
Speaker 1: collaps of a game, collapse of a season, collapse of
Speaker 1: a dynasty here. I know Siegal's big on that, but
Speaker 1: lots of CFL stuff to talk about. Yes, Evan would
Speaker 1: have been part of the live show, and I think
Speaker 1: I said that off the top of our live stream, like, oh, Evan,
Speaker 1: we'll talk about that.
Speaker 5: I don't think I ever did. I had a couple
Speaker 5: of Moses before bron Ja Jason.
Speaker 1: I had, but Evan Delay get now a part of
Speaker 1: everything else for a great Cup. It just wasn't able
Speaker 1: to be part of the live stream real quick. Like
Speaker 1: I said, thanks to everyone for checking out the stream.
Speaker 1: I thought it was really cool. Obviously, last year's stream
Speaker 1: kind of hit. I popped the algorithm, and I think
Speaker 1: people looking for illegal streams, But we did about fifteen
Speaker 1: thousand in Saskatchewan, did about fifteen thousand this week. I
Speaker 1: feel like that's kind of at least a sample size
Speaker 1: now for that, but more views than anything YouTube I
Speaker 1: saw of anyone except that the cfl A post in
Speaker 1: the game and then the halftime show with the Jonas Brothers.
Speaker 1: But anyone else I bumped shoulders with all weekend that
Speaker 1: was involved in the YouTube space. I thought I didn't
Speaker 1: see anything else, So unless I'm mistaken, but that speaks
Speaker 1: to me the importance of having that independent people like
Speaker 1: us associated covering the league helps. Having a diverse set
Speaker 1: of opinions helps you. Having people from down south, I
Speaker 1: think Jason's always been a wealth of knowledge and kind
Speaker 1: of in that more alternative space in Canada on the
Speaker 1: other side, so it just further solidifies that. As we
Speaker 1: look at the UFL and everything else. I think you
Speaker 1: need to have a breadth of that. And I have
Speaker 1: great respect for the Jeff Hamilton's and Tim Bayans of
Speaker 1: the world and everyone else with news and everything, but
Speaker 1: I think that this space and kind of figuring out
Speaker 1: alternative ways to cover the league, I think it just shows.
Speaker 5: That Andy, what did you make of that?
Speaker 2: Real quick?
Speaker 1: I don't want to like you bend over and pat
Speaker 1: ourselves on the back too much, but I thought it.
Speaker 5: Was a strong show, and I thought we did a
Speaker 5: good job.
Speaker 7: I think just the sheer people that came up onto
Speaker 7: your podcast was really impressive. I really liked the row
Speaker 7: the media road there, and I especially liked the guests
Speaker 7: that you had on. I know some of them are
Speaker 7: repeats from years past, but you also had a really
Speaker 7: good rotation of people not only just talking about as
Speaker 7: you always do, not just the game, but also the
Speaker 7: state of the league.
Speaker 3: It's a shame though.
Speaker 7: One person I will say I did not get to
Speaker 7: meet this weekend was var Han Meet. Yeah, Farhan wasn't
Speaker 7: on the show, and I didn't get to meet passed
Speaker 7: by him. I didn't remember seeing him at all at
Speaker 7: any juncture during the entire the entire weekend unless he
Speaker 7: was on the sideline during the game. So it's unfortunately
Speaker 7: because I really wanted to meet him. But other than that,
Speaker 7: fantastic set of guests again, and I think that just
Speaker 7: goes to show just the effort that you made to
Speaker 7: make yourself known in the presence of the CFL media
Speaker 7: escape and to draw those kinds of numbers from someone
Speaker 7: who's so independent just in what four short years really
Speaker 7: in work. I think is a testament to not only
Speaker 7: the work you put in, but I also think it's
Speaker 7: a testament to what can be done by others. I
Speaker 7: think people can put in that effort. I know there
Speaker 7: was conversation. I actually listened to the flight deck guys, who,
Speaker 7: by the way, we're fantastic, Tim and Cliff, You're awesome,
Speaker 7: Christ talk to them all weekend. But I listened to
Speaker 7: their podcast and they made a point about how that
Speaker 7: one thing that in regards to this topic, the CFL
Speaker 7: could maybe do a little bit better as far as
Speaker 7: having a media row and reaching out to podcasts more
Speaker 7: like yes, I'm not I actually wanted to ask you,
Speaker 7: did you reach out specifically to them or did did
Speaker 7: they actually give you a bit of a line, because
Speaker 7: that was one thing that they did mention on their podcast.
Speaker 1: Yeah, no, there was, because obviously we were with BC
Speaker 1: last year and so we were involved in all that.
Speaker 1: I thought that was really tremendous to have the radio row.
Speaker 1: I thought having Rob Peters and we'll do more kind
Speaker 1: of I want to tell we'll have funny stories here
Speaker 1: on the back end. But you know, having that, I
Speaker 1: do agree there's growth for that. We were not invited
Speaker 1: to be part of the the CFL Content Creators program.
Speaker 1: I don't think I've done enough work this season to
Speaker 1: justify that, But I think it's interesting when you look
Speaker 1: at that of like, well, I didn't I didn't run
Speaker 1: into anyone else. I didn't run into coach Phil. I
Speaker 1: didn't run into the CFL right it there. I didn't
Speaker 1: run I didn't see anybody there. And so I think
Speaker 1: that they're working on that. I know that Christine in
Speaker 1: the league was talking to me last year about that
Speaker 1: about what we really want to incorporate more and and
Speaker 1: and you know, kind.
Speaker 5: Of bolster that.
Speaker 1: I just think if you don't, you know, like I
Speaker 1: look at like Darren Balming as a perfect example of
Speaker 1: like here's someone that you know has found the space
Speaker 1: and carved that niche out of like, hey, you know,
Speaker 1: we're not going to get the coverage that we wanted
Speaker 1: Winnipeg Sports. We need to do that ourselves. I thought
Speaker 1: that their post game stream was tremendous. I watched part
Speaker 1: of it and then we were at dinner and I
Speaker 1: watched a lot of it when I got back to
Speaker 1: the room. And I think having that, just that wealth
Speaker 1: and Tim m Cliffe and everybody else, I think it's
Speaker 1: really important and it shows the bread that we can
Speaker 1: reach when we all come together and you get a.
Speaker 5: Lot of different places to Seyeah.
Speaker 1: We were blessed enough to be a part of that,
Speaker 1: but I think that needs to be concerted effort going.
Speaker 5: You know, just have a media row of podcasters if
Speaker 5: you want.
Speaker 1: There's there's fifteen twenty people that you could get together
Speaker 1: and build that out. Evan, anything else from you will
Speaker 1: go Jason. Then we'll talk through the game here. I
Speaker 1: don't want to bore people too much on the front end.
Speaker 6: Yeah no, I mean, look, it's a shame that I
Speaker 6: you know, missed the show this year, and you always
Speaker 6: do a great job with that. I thought this year's
Speaker 6: was was equally good, and I think you know, having
Speaker 6: Brian On specifically a player, you know, really kind of
Speaker 6: enhanced some things. And you know that doesn't put anybody else,
Speaker 6: you know, to shame or whatever. Everybody did a great job,
Speaker 6: but you know, again, it's it's nice to see that
Speaker 6: being worked in. You know, the fact again that all
Speaker 6: that lined up is is still a bit crazy to me.
Speaker 6: But yeah, man, it's just it was good to see
Speaker 6: everybody up there. And you know, it's too bad that
Speaker 6: I was a bit late, but still made the most
Speaker 6: of it.
Speaker 2: In the end.
Speaker 5: So yeah, I thought it was crazy.
Speaker 1: And maybe Jason, you're real quick like the fact that
Speaker 1: you know, we have Brian on and this is someone
Speaker 1: that we've known for years in the media space and
Speaker 1: the Spring leagues and everything, and they have him on
Speaker 1: the show and it's kind of you know, okay, the
Speaker 1: third stream, but we kind of know you and we
Speaker 1: have history. But then Jason, to see him sitting there
Speaker 1: and I was posting the photos like on you know,
Speaker 1: on the Gray Cup stage and holding the trophy, and
Speaker 1: it just I just felt like we were kind of
Speaker 1: a part of that moment and a part of that journey.
Speaker 1: It just it was just cool to show like we
Speaker 1: are it is not that large of a space. I mean,
Speaker 1: we all are very connected here and there's a lot
Speaker 1: of overlap, and like Andy was talking to Mcliffe and
Speaker 1: everyone else, like, it's it's not that large of a group.
Speaker 1: And I think we do do a good job of
Speaker 1: supporting that. But I thought that was cool. And the
Speaker 1: other thoughts for.
Speaker 4: Me on that, Yeah, I mean Brian Scott, I mean,
Speaker 4: you know, meeting him, he just seemed like such a great, genuine,
Speaker 4: charismatic guy. Obviously you guys are very fond of them,
Speaker 4: and it almost maybe want to cheer for Toronto in
Speaker 4: the game, even though I'm a Tiger Tiger Cats fan,
Speaker 4: and you know, ultimately like this show. I'm always amazed
Speaker 4: by how you're able to put it all together, coordinate
Speaker 4: all these guests. I think the unsung hero is Dorothy,
Speaker 4: your wife, you know, coordinating all these guests and making
Speaker 4: sure they're ready for their appearance on the show. So
Speaker 4: it's really impressive what we've been able to do and
Speaker 4: what you guys have been able to do in terms
Speaker 4: of putting together the show every year.
Speaker 1: So yeah, and just see, so my mother watched the stream.
Speaker 1: She said her favorite people were a that really nice
Speaker 1: boy at the end, which I knew she met Brian Scott.
Speaker 5: I said, okay, that makes sense, and she goes, he
Speaker 5: really loves you. He just really loves you. And then
Speaker 5: she liked that man with the nice hair, and.
Speaker 1: I'm like, okay, we have we have a lot of
Speaker 1: people with nice hair on the show, and Mike Coganes,
Speaker 1: the man from Florida that Rob Peterson really liked. You
Speaker 1: understand that man with a nice hair from four of them.
Speaker 1: So anyway, we'll do more festival Steff here in a
Speaker 1: little bit. We'll talk through all that. Andy will go
Speaker 1: with you first. Like you know, you've seen the title
Speaker 1: of the episode, Biggest Collapse, But I'll tell you. We
Speaker 1: got to the media room that night following everything, and
Speaker 1: we did dinner and everything else.
Speaker 5: I know, Jason was getting ready to fly back, like uh.
Speaker 1: There was a lot of questions being asked from the
Speaker 1: Winnipeg people and we were starting to get the Jeff
Speaker 1: Hamilton's of the world in there, and I mean even
Speaker 1: Jamie and I and when Darren got in there a
Speaker 1: lot of hard questions for the Blue Bombers. Okay, why
Speaker 1: did we run Ary Moore and Zach Clariss's hand and
Speaker 1: all that, Andy, what did you make of this? And
Speaker 1: they're kind of having because real time, like and there
Speaker 1: was even some kind of question in the in the
Speaker 1: in the reporters room, like, well, was this a good
Speaker 1: great Cup?
Speaker 5: I thought this was a classic great Cup.
Speaker 1: I don't know if it holds on a rewatch, but
Speaker 1: I think going in and knowing and all the pressures
Speaker 1: on Winnipeg and Toronto's coming in and really tremendous for me, Andy,
Speaker 1: what did you make and the game.
Speaker 5: And then kind of the initial thesis and we can
Speaker 5: break down.
Speaker 3: More well, I mean that's the thing.
Speaker 7: You can look at the box score and just say, well,
Speaker 7: this doesn't seem like it was very close up a match.
Speaker 7: For all of us who were sitting there, we very
Speaker 7: much felt the tension from the get go and felt
Speaker 7: it really until they were about six minutes or four
Speaker 7: minutes left in the fourth quarter that it dissipated because
Speaker 7: of that pick six at the end or near the end.
Speaker 7: But you see the thing is is that that tension
Speaker 7: was there the entire time because you just didn't.
Speaker 3: Know what was going to happen with the argos. You
Speaker 3: didn't know if they're going to be able to perform
Speaker 3: on offense.
Speaker 7: You didn't know if was Winnipeg finally going to complete
Speaker 7: the dynasty, and they demonstratively did not. And I know
Speaker 7: there are people out there who will make the argument
Speaker 7: that it is still a dynasty because they've made five
Speaker 7: straight Great Cups. But listen, the rule is this, you
Speaker 7: are not getting a dynasty because you participate. You're getting
Speaker 7: a dynasty because you win. You won two out of five,
Speaker 7: and the general rule is that you win three or
Speaker 7: four in a certain span of time, five seven years,
Speaker 7: whatever you combination you wish, but there has to be
Speaker 7: a certain set of time with a certain set of
Speaker 7: players that make that qualified. I'm sorry to Milt Stegel,
Speaker 7: he was very demonstrative on the show afterwards on TSN
Speaker 7: and said that it was a dynasty. I disagree with him,
Speaker 7: and I think many other people would just based on
Speaker 7: how it was. And yes, while you could make an
Speaker 7: argument that it was been a pig falling flat and
Speaker 7: there are a lot of many shortcomings they have, Toronto
Speaker 7: just came out and won the game. They had an
Speaker 7: excellent game plan. Ryan didwin. He is one of, if
Speaker 7: not the best coast from this league. He has done
Speaker 7: nothing but be successful since he took over this Toronto regime.
Speaker 7: He has won with multiple different quarterbacks. He has taken
Speaker 7: a roster that got gutted in the offseason. I know
Speaker 7: they were able to replenish some of that roster talent,
Speaker 7: but still it would remain to be seen what they
Speaker 7: would do with it. And he has just come up
Speaker 7: roses every single time. He has gone to four straight
Speaker 7: Eastern Finals. He's won two out of the three years
Speaker 7: in the Great Cup. I mean, in any case, Toronto
Speaker 7: is the one that's gonna start possibly making a scene.
Speaker 7: It was the biggest irony to me personally was seeing
Speaker 7: that guy with that sign. As we were coming out
Speaker 7: of halftime, they showed it on the JumboTron, that guy
Speaker 7: that's had the sign that said a dynasty will be
Speaker 7: born in thirty minutes. And I'm sitting there being like,
Speaker 7: I hope that doesn't come back to bite them. And
Speaker 7: now I'm almost sitting there being like, is that a
Speaker 7: prophecy for the other team? Because that was a Winnipeg
Speaker 7: fan that was holding that sign. Now I'm starting to
Speaker 7: think could Toronto potentially be making a run here in
Speaker 7: the next few years And They've shown that it does
Speaker 7: not matter what assets they have, it does not matter
Speaker 7: what injuries they sustain, it does not matter what controversy
Speaker 7: did they go through. They have been successful this entire
Speaker 7: time under the Dinwidgier regime, and that, to me is
Speaker 7: what stuck out the most.
Speaker 1: Let me leave probably Jason here just talking on that,
Speaker 1: and obviously as a Bills fan and you know plenty
Speaker 1: and not to rub but you know, you know plenty
Speaker 1: of you know, making it to the super Bowl and
Speaker 1: participated and not curious how that relates to your thoughts
Speaker 1: and then thoughts in the game because I was fortunate
Speaker 1: augh there was I was able to sneak up and
Speaker 1: get a seat. They just happened to be And I
Speaker 1: can tell about Garth later next to Garth my man.
Speaker 1: I sat next to you, next to me from Saskatchewan.
Speaker 1: But I was able to you know, we were with
Speaker 1: you two during the game. So curious your thoughts on
Speaker 1: that and as relate it's to kind of the dynasty
Speaker 1: talk as well.
Speaker 3: Well.
Speaker 4: I think there's something to be said about getting to
Speaker 4: the championship game in any respective sport. I've always considered
Speaker 4: that you know better than losing. Like before, that, you know,
Speaker 4: I think there's something to be said for that. But
Speaker 4: at the same time, you can't call this the dynasty
Speaker 4: just because what Andy said, winning three championships in a
Speaker 4: certain span of time, that's really what the definition is.
Speaker 4: And ultimately they have not been able to, you know,
Speaker 4: close you know, that third championship, and they've had three
Speaker 4: cracks at it. They've arguably been arguably been the like
Speaker 4: heavy favorite in every single breakup that they've been in,
Speaker 4: and ultimately they've been very disappointing in a lot of
Speaker 4: these games. Zach Claire is continuing to struggling. Great cups
Speaker 4: obviously suffered the injury in the second half of this one,
Speaker 4: and we'll get to it, but I don't think, like,
Speaker 4: given the extent of the injury and what we knew
Speaker 4: after the fact that he should have been put back
Speaker 4: in to the game. I think they should have just
Speaker 4: rolled with the backup, just given the fact that he
Speaker 4: couldn't really grip and throw a football. So, you know,
Speaker 4: ultimately it's very disappointing for Winnipeg. I don't consider them
Speaker 4: a dynasty right now. I mean, they could still if
Speaker 4: they win next year, they get to sixth straight, they
Speaker 4: win three out of six, I would still consider them
Speaker 4: a dynasty. But ultimately it's going to be very interesting
Speaker 4: to see going into next year in a hosting Great
Speaker 4: Cup year, if they can get back there.
Speaker 1: Well, I want to circle back to the Clara stuff
Speaker 1: because I've been kind of reading this week and I
Speaker 1: haven't had just trying to get back in this wee
Speaker 1: a deep dive on that.
Speaker 5: I was reading about the pets, Suspenser and all that stuff.
Speaker 1: But Evan to you, we were talking in the group
Speaker 1: chat about like in almost now with Toronto, it almost
Speaker 1: takes away from Winnipeg's wins or they were only able
Speaker 1: to win against Hamilton's or like retroactively now this has
Speaker 1: changed kind of any of the thoughts of the games
Speaker 1: that Winnipeg had won.
Speaker 6: Yes and no, I mean I think you know Winnipeg again,
Speaker 6: it was a very interesting situation because they won in
Speaker 6: twenty ninth team against Hamilton in very commanding fashion, and
Speaker 6: then you had a COVID year and they came back
Speaker 6: out and won and again. So I think it's really
Speaker 6: impressive that a season was canceled and they were still
Speaker 6: able to come back and win the whole thing.
Speaker 2: And look, I understand the.
Speaker 6: Twenty twenty one season was shortened due to COVID and
Speaker 6: it was later in the year, and you know, there
Speaker 6: were some variables there that we might not see again.
Speaker 2: But with Toronto, it's almost more.
Speaker 6: Impressive these past two wins that they've had against Winnipeg.
Speaker 6: And yes, I understand they're against the same team and
Speaker 6: that's kind of you know, maybe the argument that we're discussing,
Speaker 6: but if you look at you know, the Argonauts team
Speaker 6: in twenty twenty two that won it. You know, the
Speaker 6: MVP of that game was Hannack Mwamba. You know who's
Speaker 6: now panelists on TSN. You know, McLeod Bethel Thompson was
Speaker 6: the quarterback who went to the USFL and then went
Speaker 6: back to the CFL this year with a different team.
Speaker 6: But you know, and it was in that Great Cup
Speaker 6: that Chad Kelly played really for the first time and emerged,
Speaker 6: you know, and then went on and had the sixteen
Speaker 6: and two season, and obviously this year with his suspension,
Speaker 6: we didn't get to see him as much, and then
Speaker 6: the unfortunate injury that led to Nick Arbuck was starting
Speaker 6: in the Gray Cup. But it's incredible, you know, they've
Speaker 6: had now four different maybe even five different quarterbacks you know,
Speaker 6: over this time span between twenty twenty two and twenty
Speaker 6: twenty four, you know, and they still got the job done.
Speaker 6: It hasn't mattered to them. Again from it starts at
Speaker 6: the top, you know, with management and personnel to construct
Speaker 6: the roster. And then Andy's already talked about Ryan Didwiddie, who, yeah,
Speaker 6: I really think deserves some credit, you know for what
Speaker 6: he's done. And again I understand, you know, Coach of
Speaker 6: the Year Jason Moss being the pick out of the East,
Speaker 6: Like I get it, you know, And not to take
Speaker 6: away from what Jason Moss did either or Corey Mace
Speaker 6: or any of those candidates, but what Ryan Dinwood he
Speaker 6: has done with that team is incredible. It has not
Speaker 6: been an easy journey for him. And I remember before
Speaker 6: the game started he mentioned he said, well, we've earned
Speaker 6: the right to be here, you know, we deserve this
Speaker 6: and and we think we can go out there and compete,
Speaker 6: and sure enough they did.
Speaker 3: So.
Speaker 2: Yeah, now you kind of.
Speaker 6: Enter a new conversation where, uh, you know, Winnipeg's dynasty.
Speaker 6: I'm not going to say that it's closed yet. Again,
Speaker 6: you're hosting the Great Cup in Winnipeg next year, so
Speaker 6: maybe they make a push. We'll get into all that later.
Speaker 6: But Toronto having won two out of the past three
Speaker 6: with very different circumstances, i'd say in each of the
Speaker 6: games is extremely impressive and hopefully they can keep that up.
Speaker 1: So any I think there's and I'm kind of pulled
Speaker 1: at the stats here just because obviously we were at
Speaker 1: the game, which Mike normally I gotta go back and
Speaker 1: do this like refresher chorus before the stream. But I
Speaker 1: think there's a couple of different questions to tire right
Speaker 1: here at one and I know Evan will have thoughts
Speaker 1: lay that. You know, our buckles performance right I think
Speaker 1: Evan and coined them heart attack passes, many of them
Speaker 1: during the game that were very close to being picked
Speaker 1: or intercepted. You have claras right now X member of
Speaker 1: Great Cups with multiple turnovers, no touchdown passes, all that stuff,
Speaker 1: and then the lack of OLIVERA. I know that was
Speaker 1: kind of the touching point when we got back to
Speaker 1: the suite, was you know, how do you have the.
Speaker 3: Mop like that?
Speaker 1: You know only have eleven carries eighty four rushes. Obviously,
Speaker 1: you know, once the game gets out of hand and
Speaker 1: we're throwing and that exacerbated of the number of interceptions
Speaker 1: that Clara's throw. Where do you want to start Andy
Speaker 1: kind of with any of those storylines. Obviously there's a
Speaker 1: million other ones if you have anything else as.
Speaker 5: Well, but those are kind of the three that stuck
Speaker 5: out to me, the easy ones.
Speaker 7: I never thought I'd be going into this game thinking, boy,
Speaker 7: I think Winnipeg's going to miss Drew Brown. But you
Speaker 7: know what, that's kind of the case here, because let's
Speaker 7: look at the facts here. Terry Wilson came into this
Speaker 7: game when Zach was out, when he got taken to
Speaker 7: the locker room and apparently his finger just split open.
Speaker 7: I mean, some of the reports on that will make
Speaker 7: me nauseous just think about it. But Terry Wilson comes
Speaker 7: in and he almost throws a pick to Benji Franklin,
Speaker 7: which would have been his second of the game, into
Speaker 7: the end zone.
Speaker 3: He absolutely had it right in his mits.
Speaker 1: And yeah, I was amazing, And it was right in
Speaker 1: front of us where we were, I think all of
Speaker 1: us because Jason was on on that side too.
Speaker 7: It was and so you know, Terry Wilson's not throwing
Speaker 7: the ball very well. So you're thinking, as an officer coordinator,
Speaker 7: Buck Pierce, well, I don't know if I can put
Speaker 7: him back in, but Zach clearly can't throw the ball.
Speaker 7: And Zach had kind of admitted to such afterwards, like
Speaker 7: he really struggled and you saw it immediately he throws
Speaker 7: that pick right off the Baudery. I think it was
Speaker 7: to I think it was to Amos Sean Amos maybe
Speaker 7: and then he I mean, he just struggled mightily and
Speaker 7: it just started to unravel very quickly.
Speaker 3: To the point about Brady oliver Era.
Speaker 7: I mean, the thing that I just didn't really understand
Speaker 7: is why they were so adamant about throwing on first down,
Speaker 7: and especially after Zach came back from injury.
Speaker 3: They continue to do so.
Speaker 7: I think they absolutely had an opportunity to continue, at
Speaker 7: least trying to work Brady Olivera into the lineup. He
Speaker 7: probably could have had a few more rushes and maybe,
Speaker 7: you know, maybe there were tendencies that perhaps Toronto was
Speaker 7: keenan on of him running and maybe it was maybe
Speaker 7: just in the formation it didn't set up to be so,
Speaker 7: but you would have thought that he would have been
Speaker 7: a little bit more involved, just considering what was going
Speaker 7: on around him, especially from the passing game standpoint, So
Speaker 7: that to me just kind of surprised me. And I
Speaker 7: know there were a lot of people, a lot of
Speaker 7: Winnipeg fans that were a bit upset with Buck Peterson's
Speaker 7: play calling afterwards, but just kind of the management of
Speaker 7: the injury with Zach Kolaros, I think really threw a
Speaker 7: wrench in the plans. And once apparently I read somewhere
Speaker 7: where apparently went did what he found When they saw
Speaker 7: that Colaros was warming up and they saw how he
Speaker 7: was throwing, they thought we got this.
Speaker 3: And I have that kind of.
Speaker 7: Confidence as a team when you see the other teams
Speaker 7: that one of their best assets being hurt, I think
Speaker 7: really was telling.
Speaker 3: Especially in that fourth quarter.
Speaker 1: Well, it was wild because we were sitting there on
Speaker 1: that side and I you know, I saw Clara, So
Speaker 1: I just happened to look down and saw Claris run now,
Speaker 1: and I'm like, well, he's either like obviously he's not
Speaker 1: limping off the field, so he's either got to go
Speaker 1: make a bathroom break or like something.
Speaker 5: So we just really was sure.
Speaker 1: And I think it was Anthony Miller in the group
Speaker 1: chat obviously watching on TV back in the States of like,
Speaker 1: oh well here, you know, like and it was kind
Speaker 1: of nice for all the people on our section because
Speaker 1: we kind of get the insights we didn't you know,
Speaker 1: we not get in the game broadcast.
Speaker 5: And all that stuff. Jason, were you surprised with that?
Speaker 5: And like here?
Speaker 1: You know, I mean, Michael shay Is is revered as
Speaker 1: a coach of anyone in the league, right, and I
Speaker 1: know that all the media and everyone speaks really highly
Speaker 1: of him and obviously a great guy.
Speaker 5: On and off the field.
Speaker 1: But you know, they have multiple games now be out
Speaker 1: coached by Dinwidy and then kind of seeing his reluctance
Speaker 1: to kind of do anything else when the game was
Speaker 1: getting out of him.
Speaker 5: What did you make of that, Jason?
Speaker 4: Yeah, I mean I think I said this on the
Speaker 4: on the pregame show that I think Ryan Dinwiddie may
Speaker 4: be the best coach in the CFL. I think he
Speaker 4: may have taken that title from Mike O'Shea. I mean
Speaker 4: even before the game during the pregame show, like I
Speaker 4: was saying, I thought that, you know, Dinwiddy had a
Speaker 4: case and I think with winning this game being too
Speaker 4: against him in great Cups, like you were saying, I
Speaker 4: think you have to give him that title at this point,
Speaker 4: and just the game plan that he had for Nick
Speaker 4: Arbuckle win this one. Nick Arbuckle, I mean, he made
Speaker 4: his mistakes and this one had the two picks. I
Speaker 4: think he had a couple of dropped interceptions that you
Speaker 4: alluded to, but ultimately they did a good job of
Speaker 4: making stuff pretty easy for him. I think they had
Speaker 4: some screen passes that you know, you know, the Kevin
Speaker 4: Mattal touchdown that was a good little swing pass, get
Speaker 4: the ball out of his hands quickly. Arbuckle still had
Speaker 4: to make some plays and that's why he was named
Speaker 4: MVP of this game. But ultimately they did a good
Speaker 4: job of you know, setting up those screen passes and
Speaker 4: really involving the running backs and making it easier on them.
Speaker 4: And I think ultimately, at the end of the day,
Speaker 4: that's a big reason why Toronto was able to have
Speaker 4: success and ultimately win this game and go three and
Speaker 4: oh against Winnipeg on the season.
Speaker 1: Yeah, it's you know, our Buckle got the MVP and
Speaker 1: we can talk about that like little trophy kind of
Speaker 1: thing like that his daughter was holding. It felt like
Speaker 1: it was almost like a toy.
Speaker 5: For her, but there wasn't really a standout, right Evan.
Speaker 5: Was that your take?
Speaker 1: I mean it felt like it was a It was
Speaker 1: not in a bad way, but it was more of
Speaker 1: a group effort from Toronto there. I mean, obviously Knicks
Speaker 1: to quarterback. Why did you make of that?
Speaker 6: Yeah, well, look, I think the best player in the
Speaker 6: skate was Willie Jefferson. And I've probably said it on
Speaker 6: the show before at some point, you know, back when
Speaker 6: we were doing this regularly. But you know, Willie Jefferson, man,
Speaker 6: I mean, he's one of my favorite players in the league.
Speaker 6: And watching him in that game, you know, the way
Speaker 6: that he was able to essentially take over on defense.
Speaker 6: You know, I still feel like Winnipeg's defense put up
Speaker 6: a pretty good effort there obviously through three and a
Speaker 6: half quarters, but he, you know, really excelled and I
Speaker 6: almost would have given him the award in that game anyways,
Speaker 6: regardless of who won, you know. Yeah, for like, if
Speaker 6: I had to pick MVP, you know, the guy that
Speaker 6: I think makes the most sense would probably be winning McManus,
Speaker 6: you know, you have. I was telling Andy, I think
Speaker 6: during the game, if there was like a playoff MVP
Speaker 6: just for somebody who had had a good run in
Speaker 6: the playoffs, it would have been Benji Franklin with his
Speaker 6: interceptions and you know, he made so many critical plays
Speaker 6: at critical times. I think that's a guy you know
Speaker 6: who really kind of I don't want to say came
Speaker 6: out of nowhere, you know, because I knew who he
Speaker 6: was before he signed and before he started gaining some
Speaker 6: traction there. But uh, you know, really again came up
Speaker 6: big when it mattered. So yeah, look, man, I you know,
Speaker 6: in terms of the game overall, I'll start with Winnipeg side.
Speaker 6: You know, I think, yes, some of the play calling
Speaker 6: you know, could have been better, you know, And then
Speaker 6: I don't know, it didn't look very good in the
Speaker 6: first half, Like it wasn't bad, but then the Cholaros
Speaker 6: injury was just where you kind of knew that things
Speaker 6: were probably.
Speaker 2: Were probably done. I you know, I still gave him
Speaker 2: a chance.
Speaker 6: Like again, we didn't know the severity of the injury
Speaker 6: sitting there, but uh, I remember when he came back
Speaker 6: onto the field and it took me a minute to notice,
Speaker 6: but he had an entire glove on his throwing hand,
Speaker 6: and I thought, oh boy, you know, that's uh that
Speaker 6: would suggest to me that his injury is pretty serious.
Speaker 6: And of course, as we found out after the game,
Speaker 6: you know the way Zach said it, in the way
Speaker 6: a couple other people said it. I mean, you know,
Speaker 6: the fact that somebody's finger looks like a pez dispenser
Speaker 6: is extremely alarming. And you know, maybe, Yeed, you should
Speaker 6: have kept Terry Wilson in. It's a differ decision though,
Speaker 6: right I think, you know, I almost wonder Andy had
Speaker 6: mentioned Drew Brown, but like, if Chris Streveler was healthy,
Speaker 6: you know, what could he have done in that game?
Speaker 6: Because I remember, I think it was Winnipeg's first Grade
Speaker 6: Cup run in twenty nineteen, which is when I first
Speaker 6: kind of started following the league. He was a really
Speaker 6: key contributor there and he you know, they almost had
Speaker 6: a two quarterback system where he was able to come
Speaker 6: in and really give the offense a boost when needed,
Speaker 6: and you know, maybe that would take away from some
Speaker 6: of the play calls that weren't so good. So for Winnipeg,
Speaker 6: it's just unfortunate. I think, you know, look, if Claros
Speaker 6: doesn't get hurt, he wasn't playing well before that, but
Speaker 6: they still might have had a chance you know, to
Speaker 6: turn it around. I went back today just randomly and
Speaker 6: watched the twenty twenty one West Final where Blue Bombers
Speaker 6: turned it over five times but still won the game
Speaker 6: because at the end Winnipeg went up twenty one to
Speaker 6: seventeen on a touchdown and then got a defensive stop.
Speaker 6: So you know, maybe in a different world that would
Speaker 6: have been the case. As for Toronto, yeah, just again,
Speaker 6: incredible game plan by Ryan, didn't witty setting nick arbuckle
Speaker 6: up for success. Look our buckle, you know during that game,
Speaker 6: you know, was he perfect? No, and I didn't expect
Speaker 6: him to be. I think one of the keys to
Speaker 6: that game for many people going in was, you know,
Speaker 6: you can't put this all on our buckles shoulders.
Speaker 2: You really have to.
Speaker 6: Other people are gonna have to step up, and they did,
Speaker 6: you know, especially on defense. Again, I think that was
Speaker 6: the story was Toronto's defense, like our buckle kind of
Speaker 6: got them to where they needed to be. He got
Speaker 6: them in a position to win the game. But then
Speaker 6: Toronto's defense really took over and well, you know, they
Speaker 6: also took advantage of close as injured hand and kind
Speaker 6: of said, you know, we've got this from here and
Speaker 6: rode that game out in the final five minutes. So look,
Speaker 6: it was a very impressive performance by them. Unfortunate in
Speaker 6: the sense that I think some people who didn't watch
Speaker 6: the game will look at the score and think, well,
Speaker 6: that was you know, maybe a waste of time. But
Speaker 6: in reality, no, like if you watched it that game,
Speaker 6: you know, going into the fourth quarter, even with like
Speaker 6: seven minutes left, by no idea who was going to win.
Speaker 6: So it was a great game, and you know, well,
Speaker 6: well done to both teams. I know it's it's tough
Speaker 6: for Winnipeg and we'll you know, I'm sure we'll get
Speaker 6: into that more here is the show goes on, but
Speaker 6: you know, well done by both teams being there, and
Speaker 6: congratulations to Toronto.
Speaker 1: Yeah, it was because even Dorothy obviously had to fly
Speaker 1: back early for her uncle's memorial and she was, you know,
Speaker 1: tracking the game just on her phone and she texted me, wow,
Speaker 1: you know, the game seems really close and then obviously,
Speaker 1: you know, totally unravels there. I thought it was funny
Speaker 1: because I texted Paul Sanchez, you know, formally here whatever
Speaker 1: after the game, and I go, you know, Brian Scott's
Speaker 1: a great Cup champion, and Paul immediately texted me a
Speaker 1: selfie of him. He went and put on his Toronto
Speaker 1: Argos jersey that I think Josh had be mailed to
Speaker 1: him like three and a half years ago ago. Oh,
Speaker 1: it must be nice to kind of pull that can
Speaker 1: without getting to graphic. And someone explained to me the
Speaker 1: pez dispenser analogy. I don't understand that, Like how the finger.
Speaker 5: Jason, did you fall?
Speaker 1: Like we was it like, Oh, I didn't understand that metaphor.
Speaker 4: No, I didn't. I didn't get that metaphor. Or I
Speaker 4: just that's the first time I've heard it just on
Speaker 4: the show here.
Speaker 5: No, I saw that, I mean three down? Did the
Speaker 5: ride up?
Speaker 4: Then?
Speaker 1: It was it looked like a peasant spence, right, So,
Speaker 1: like was it because the peasants fence like opens or
Speaker 1: was it like the peasant spencer, like the head opens
Speaker 1: and like was the finger opened like that?
Speaker 2: Yeah?
Speaker 5: Well look that was maybe the tip of the finger.
Speaker 6: Yes, Pez dispenser typically opens up to where there's a
Speaker 6: bit at the bottom that's kind of hanging off, So
Speaker 6: I assume they meant that with Zach's finger was kind
Speaker 6: of uh, you know, okay, all right, I mean, look,
Speaker 6: I'm not the one who made the analogy. I'm just
Speaker 6: going off what's been thrown out there in.
Speaker 2: The media already.
Speaker 5: So that I was.
Speaker 1: Curious because I'm like trying to talk to you Doory
Speaker 1: about the way it sounded like it was really bad
Speaker 1: so Andy. I mean the fact that you know, Michael say,
Speaker 1: you'd see Clara's come back in. Okay, let's give it
Speaker 1: a shot, right comes in immediately what either sailed the
Speaker 1: pass right through the pick?
Speaker 5: Okay?
Speaker 1: Then we go back to that again, like obviously you
Speaker 1: know you got Terry Wilson. We've talked about that, but like,
Speaker 1: are you just at that point, I mean you go
Speaker 1: down your starting quarterback. I mean that's I guess you
Speaker 1: when you have that question like should we have kept
Speaker 1: the Drew Brown or had someone there that we felt comfortable,
Speaker 1: you know, throwing passes with something were to happen knowing
Speaker 1: the CFL and you know, especially where Zach isn't necessarily
Speaker 1: iron man. I mean, Zach misses games, miss games this season,
Speaker 1: miss games last year?
Speaker 5: What did you make it at y D?
Speaker 7: I think part of it was just unfortunate timing for them,
Speaker 7: because to go back a week before that, I mean,
Speaker 7: Zach Klearro's had a fantastic game against Saskatchewan and absolutely
Speaker 7: eviscerated their defense in a game that they just absolutely
Speaker 7: crude stopped them.
Speaker 3: And that's why the spread was as high as it was.
Speaker 7: It got started at ten, and I think it went
Speaker 7: that down to nine plus nine or minus nine or
Speaker 7: minus eight in some markets. But I mean, basically teams
Speaker 7: were saying, this is yours to lose, like you're heavily
Speaker 7: favored in this game, and part of that was because
Speaker 7: of how their offense was performing and how the team
Speaker 7: was performing up until that point. So while it's unfortunately
Speaker 7: the injury happened, I don't really necessarily blame Peg for
Speaker 7: not having someone immediately behind him. Because they lost Traveler
Speaker 7: obviously lost during the season Drew Brown. They were never
Speaker 7: going to pay enough money to keep him back, especially
Speaker 7: when he was basically garnering starter money, which he got
Speaker 7: in Ottawa. So it's hard to kind of say, well,
Speaker 7: I wish he had another quarterback behind him. I mean,
Speaker 7: I always am a proponent of developing people behind the quarterback,
Speaker 7: but sometimes circumstances just don't lead up to that. And again,
Speaker 7: I you know, maybe they were just happy enough of
Speaker 7: what Terry Wilson brought to the table that they were
Speaker 7: willing to see what happened. But again, you can't anticipate
Speaker 7: that your starting quarterback is going to go out, which
Speaker 7: again is why it's so incredible that our Buckle was
Speaker 7: able to do what he did, coming in for the
Speaker 7: likes of Chad Kelly in this big of a game,
Speaker 7: a guy that never started a playoff game. Ever, our
Speaker 7: Buckle's been in this league for a while, He's had
Speaker 7: a lot of games, he's never started a CFL playoff game,
Speaker 7: So more of a testament to didn't winning his staff.
Speaker 7: But for the Bombers, I mean, it just it was
Speaker 7: terrible luck. And as soon as he threw that pick
Speaker 7: to Robert Priester, who was running back, even before Robert
Speaker 7: even got in the end zone, I was yelling out,
Speaker 7: it's over.
Speaker 3: It's gone. Like that's it, The game was over.
Speaker 7: It was just such a finality point of that match
Speaker 7: and really just such a stamp on what the Argos
Speaker 7: had done.
Speaker 5: It's fine just pulled up.
Speaker 1: Brown was on a two hundred and eighty six thousand
Speaker 1: dollars contract with ottomis said to go up to three
Speaker 1: hundred and forty thousand and with it says like, should
Speaker 1: have done the BC route there? Should they get some
Speaker 1: marketing money in there and get Drew Brown under that Jason. So,
Speaker 1: you know, in the beginning of the game, obviously a
Speaker 1: lot was made of Toronto not going for the you know,
Speaker 1: settling for the field goal, not going for the touchdown,
Speaker 1: and we're thinking like, oh my god, like that's going
Speaker 1: to be the story of the game, right, like Toronto
Speaker 1: had to had whatever, and they lost the momentum lucky
Speaker 1: Whitehead and fumbling, and I think, you know, if Andy
Speaker 1: Murray wants to check the momentum eter, I think that
Speaker 1: swung it back the other way.
Speaker 5: You know.
Speaker 1: I guess having lived through the game and kind of
Speaker 1: things that you thought were going to be touched on
Speaker 1: where really it was just ended up being Zach Clariss's
Speaker 1: finger was falling off. You know, Winnipeg didn't have a
Speaker 1: backup plan for that. I thought of anything else in
Speaker 1: the game that way, of just the things that we
Speaker 1: thought were going to matter, and then they're kind of
Speaker 1: find their takeaways of that and then we can start
Speaker 1: looking towards kind of the future here.
Speaker 4: Yeah, I thought the biggest play of the game was
Speaker 4: that Lucky Whitehead fumble because I thought that Winnipeg had
Speaker 4: the game.
Speaker 5: Yes, it was close.
Speaker 4: I thought they were still in control of the game
Speaker 4: at that point, but the fact that they fumbled and
Speaker 4: then I think that was when the Kevin Mattal touchdown
Speaker 4: happened a couple of plays later, maybe the next play,
Speaker 4: and that's when Toronto was like really starting to believe
Speaker 4: that they could win this thing. And there was also
Speaker 4: another key play where I believe it was a blocked
Speaker 4: punt that Winnipeg was going to get the ball deep
Speaker 4: in Toronto territory, but they got a penalty for I
Speaker 4: think it was loose ball interference is what it's called,
Speaker 4: and they the guy for Winnipeg pushed the Toronto player
Speaker 4: in the back, and you know, I was saying to
Speaker 4: Alex my girlfriend, I don't know what that penalty is called,
Speaker 4: but I know you can't just push someone in the
Speaker 4: back like that. And sure enough that you know, Toronto
Speaker 4: retained possession of the ball and that would have been
Speaker 4: a crucial play for Winnipeg in the game. So ultimately,
Speaker 4: we say it all the time in football, it often
Speaker 4: comes down to a couple of plays during the game.
Speaker 4: And I think if Winnipeg had had those couple of
Speaker 4: plays go in their favor or not happened at all.
Speaker 4: I think we're talking about a pretty different ballgame. And
Speaker 4: you know, obviously, if they had kept Brady olivera more
Speaker 4: involved in this game. And it's the most baffling thing
Speaker 4: to me about that is that he had a lot
Speaker 4: of success in this game. He was getting chunk run
Speaker 4: after chunk run, but they decided to ride with Zach
Speaker 4: And you know, it's crazy, considering how he's played in
Speaker 4: these great Cup games that they trusted him more than
Speaker 4: Brady their mop.
Speaker 5: Yeah, it was funny.
Speaker 1: The we didn't know either obviously in the stands, and
Speaker 1: I think they announced the penalty, we could really hear it,
Speaker 1: and then we were texting Anthony Miller and Pat I
Speaker 1: think we.
Speaker 5: Was watching, like see what's going on.
Speaker 1: And finally I think Naylor tweeted out the rules and
Speaker 1: I was just like, big step, like because we're like
Speaker 1: everyone in the stands is like knowing. It was like
Speaker 1: last night at the Cracking game, the Predators had a
Speaker 1: they called a penalty twenty seconds into the game where
Speaker 1: they had actually announced a different starting lineup than they
Speaker 1: had started and like no one had ever Like everyone
Speaker 1: on cracking tours like I haven't following hockey, you know,
Speaker 1: thirty years. I've never seen that before. So it was
Speaker 1: kind of one of those things. Andy. Let's start looking
Speaker 1: forward here, right. We saw Chack Kelly on the you know,
Speaker 1: from the parade, screaming very loud into a microphone.
Speaker 5: I wasn't as happy to see that.
Speaker 1: I enjoyed seeing our friend Mike Cogan getting to introduce
Speaker 1: the Argonauts. I said that a message on off of
Speaker 1: our behalf to Mike Cogan, congratulating him and saying thanks
Speaker 1: again for all that stuff. But obviously Nick Arbuckle did
Speaker 1: not play enough. Chack Kelly will come back and do that.
Speaker 1: What are your thoughts on Toronto moving forward and then
Speaker 1: Winnipeg here, because you know your.
Speaker 5: Hosted next year. Everyone's talking.
Speaker 1: It would be a sheer irony would be to have
Speaker 1: a Winnipeg not be in the next year.
Speaker 3: Certainly wouldn't be.
Speaker 7: I mean, it'd be even funnier if Saskatchewan made that
Speaker 7: game and then suddenly they forced their hands to try
Speaker 7: and sell tickets. If they did a reverse Uno card
Speaker 7: from when they did it in twenty twenty two, that'd.
Speaker 3: Be quite something.
Speaker 7: But yeah, to look at at Toronto a little bit,
Speaker 7: their free agent list is quite extensive here. They've got
Speaker 7: a lot of decisions to make, as most CFL teams do.
Speaker 7: Nick Garbuckle Cameron Dukes are set to be free agents.
Speaker 7: Kadem Carey, he's getting up there in years. He was
Speaker 7: great this year for them. I don't know if they
Speaker 7: necessarily bring him back. Devonte Koxy, who's really made a
Speaker 7: lot of big plays and he's set to be a
Speaker 7: free agent. Janarian Grant, they're fantastic returner. I imagine they have
Speaker 7: to bring him back in some capacity. Jake Crezna, a
Speaker 7: guy who's a fantastic pass rusher. Their defensive backfield, it's
Speaker 7: all the defensive backs that's really the biggest list here.
Speaker 7: Guys like Royce Machi, Robert Priester, to VARs mcfadd and
Speaker 7: Deshaun Amos really key starters and contributors in the secondary.
Speaker 7: They got to kind of think about maybe replacing going forward.
Speaker 7: But you know, the thing about this game, and this
Speaker 7: is kind of the brilliance of the Argos and what
Speaker 7: they've done the last few years. They've always managed to
Speaker 7: find a way to kind of replenish their talent and
Speaker 7: restock the shells. I mean, Kevin Mattaal scoring a touchdown
Speaker 7: a rookie who's afterwards said that this meant more to
Speaker 7: him than winning the Banya Cup and the head Crichton
Speaker 7: Trophy obviously is one of the best players in youth
Speaker 7: sports in Canada. He winning that, you know, the way
Speaker 7: they won, the way he scored that touchdown, the go
Speaker 7: I had touchdown kind of was like a picture into
Speaker 7: the future of the shape of the argos to come
Speaker 7: in a way. So yes, we'll see if Chad Kelly
Speaker 7: is able to return healthily, whoever they bring.
Speaker 3: In as the backup.
Speaker 7: Maybe they bring you know, Brian Scott back, who knows,
Speaker 7: maybe they keep him around.
Speaker 3: We'll see.
Speaker 7: You know, that would be quite the clout for this
Speaker 7: podcast if that was the case. But yeah, I mean,
Speaker 7: I have no really no issue with how they're going
Speaker 7: to be able to replash their talent because they always
Speaker 7: seem to find a way. Although there are some other
Speaker 7: structural things we can get into later about what's going
Speaker 7: on with the team later on down the road, but
Speaker 7: as far as Winnipeg goes, I mean, it sounds like
Speaker 7: everybody's trying to come back. Adam Bill big Hill said
Speaker 7: he's trying to come back. Stanley Bryant says he's trying
Speaker 7: to come back. A lot of the guys are obviously,
Speaker 7: you know, Father Time is undefeated, and Father Time's gonna
Speaker 7: have to come collect here at some point.
Speaker 3: You know.
Speaker 7: Klaris's health is always in question. He's getting up there
Speaker 7: in years. Brittie Oliver is really the kind of the
Speaker 7: centerpiece here. I mean, he's still in his prime, so
Speaker 7: you could still utilize him, but there's still a lot
Speaker 7: of other pieces that have to think about. The question
Speaker 7: for them is can they replenish that talent quickly enough
Speaker 7: to still be competitive. This is kind of the same
Speaker 7: problem that the New England Patriots had when they had
Speaker 7: their first dynasty run in three or four years. Then
Speaker 7: everybody got really old. Tom Brady and Belichick were still there,
Speaker 7: but it took them a while to really get back
Speaker 7: into contention. So is that gonna happen here with Winnipeg.
Speaker 7: I'm not sure, but I just see like everyone's kind
Speaker 7: of waiting for the cliff, right, Everyone's waiting for wins.
Speaker 7: When did they get hit the cliff? Is it gonna
Speaker 7: be next year? Is the year after some people thought
Speaker 7: it was this year, and it looked like it was
Speaker 7: for a month, but they seem to be in at
Speaker 7: least more questionable shape in my opinion, at least it's
Speaker 7: far as Toronto goes. Even if Toronto might have a
Speaker 7: bigger free agency see list, I think I have a
Speaker 7: little bit more confidence that Toronto's going to try and
Speaker 7: figure it out if things you know, change, as opposed
Speaker 7: to if Winnipeg just you know, finally hits the wall.
Speaker 1: One side note here we'll toss to Evan thoughts on
Speaker 1: this continuing conversation, but just you know, I know a
Speaker 1: lot of people probably thought famously, you know the Mark
Speaker 1: cast curse, where you know, Ben Holmes didn't go on
Speaker 1: the podcast and then went on and won a Great Cup.
Speaker 1: But with Toronto, I'm sure people were like, well, Brian, like,
Speaker 1: you know, Brian was on the show and then he
Speaker 1: went and on a those sitting down behind the scenes,
Speaker 1: there's many other times that Brian was supposed to come
Speaker 1: on the podcast and didn't. So I think that that
Speaker 1: the No Show still holds true with Brian Scott No Show,
Speaker 1: that he's probably got three more Great Cup runs in him.
Speaker 1: That Brian's a crew by No show in the podcast
Speaker 1: before that's getting kick into Effects. I just thought that
Speaker 1: was interesting, Evan. Yeah, where does winnebeg go from here?
Speaker 1: Where's Toronto go from here?
Speaker 2: Yeah, it'll be interesting.
Speaker 5: You know.
Speaker 6: I think it's pretty clear that, you know, this will
Speaker 6: be a big off season in the league. Is gonna
Speaker 6: be a lot of change, you know, Winnipeg, like Andy
Speaker 6: already pointed out, father time is gonna is gonna catch
Speaker 6: up at some point and has to collect. Like I remember,
Speaker 6: you know, doing that pregame show in Hamilton before the
Speaker 6: game against Montreal, and it kind of felt like, you know,
Speaker 6: it kind of felt like Winnipeg was getting old then,
Speaker 6: you know, and they were able to bring back everybody
Speaker 6: for another year, minus like JaMarcus Hardrick who went to
Speaker 6: Saskatchewan and got injured. But you know, it's impressive that
Speaker 6: they're still doing it. Stanley Bryant in particular, I think,
Speaker 6: is like thirty nine or something, So he's gonna be
Speaker 6: in like Jason Peters kind of territory, you know, if
Speaker 6: he keeps doing this and and sticks around, whether it's
Speaker 6: with you know, Winnipeg or somebody else. Again, he expressed
Speaker 6: his intent to keep playing, so you know, we'll see
Speaker 6: you know, Winnipeg. There's some questions Toronto, there's some questions
Speaker 6: as to who's set up better for the future. That's
Speaker 6: also hard to say. You know again, I think we
Speaker 6: have to wait to see some of these changes and
Speaker 6: give it a couple of weeks or months, you know,
Speaker 6: maybe see how free agency goes before you can really uh,
Speaker 6: before you can really have a definitive answer to that.
Speaker 1: Jason to you, we can start looking towards some of
Speaker 1: the news. Obviously we're kind of in the middle of
Speaker 1: the news cycle, and Rick Campbell now has been officially released.
Speaker 1: I think we expected that. I think like remember when
Speaker 1: Jason ile Somemer were like, oh no, frekst the guy,
Speaker 1: and then now it's like, oh, okay, but yeah, so
Speaker 1: Rick's moved on. It looks like he's going to Edmonton,
Speaker 1: and BC's made some promotions that way, and then they
Speaker 1: I think CFL News they just put.
Speaker 5: Out, you know, Vernon officially going to be traded.
Speaker 1: We all kind of know this stuff, but kind of
Speaker 1: thoughts on this now anything forward looking and it could
Speaker 1: be winning pay Toronto, but then especially kind of BC
Speaker 1: in the West really feels like it could be pretty
Speaker 1: open here.
Speaker 5: Yeah, just a touch on Toronto.
Speaker 4: I think that they've become and we'll talk about what
Speaker 4: Kadeen Carrey said after their victory on Sunday, but they've
Speaker 4: become the new Calgary in a sense. Calgary for years
Speaker 4: they were able to, you know, have all these guys
Speaker 4: go out the door in free agency and they would
Speaker 4: just you know, find these guys that are nowhere and
Speaker 4: just plug him into the lineup as rookies or second
Speaker 4: year players and you know, not miss a beat.
Speaker 5: And Toronto's been able to do that.
Speaker 4: I think they lost a total of seventeen players or
Speaker 4: something like that, something crazy like that last offseason. Two
Speaker 4: other CFL teams I think Hamilton alone signed seven of them.
Speaker 4: So it just shows you the amount of turnover that
Speaker 4: team was able to overcome this year on top of
Speaker 4: the quarterback injury and the Great Cups. So just incredibly impressive.
Speaker 4: You know, it's gonna be really interesting going forward, you
Speaker 4: know here in Hamilton. Now that ed Hervey now got
Speaker 4: hired as the GM in Edmondson, who is going to
Speaker 4: be the next GM here in Hamilton, A lot of
Speaker 4: rumors speculating about maybe it's gonna be Danny McManus, who
Speaker 4: is the assistant GM in Winnipeg. He is the last
Speaker 4: Hamilton quarterback to bring a Great Cup to this city,
Speaker 4: so it would be an interesting homecoming. And Ted Goviah,
Speaker 4: I think is his name, is the other assistant GM
Speaker 4: in Winnipeg that you know, maybe gets a job here
Speaker 4: as well. So it should be interesting to see what
Speaker 4: happens with that position. I mean BC's head coach, I
Speaker 4: think is the big question because it looks like Edmonton's
Speaker 4: head coach is gonna be Rick Campbell. It looks like
Speaker 4: all signs are pointing towards Edmonton hiring, you know, just
Speaker 4: because of the lenyards there, with Hugh Campbell his dad
Speaker 4: being such a legend there, I think it makes too
Speaker 4: much sense for them not to do that. BC's head coach,
Speaker 4: on the other hand, I think that is a big
Speaker 4: question mark about who it's gonna be. It could be
Speaker 4: a number of different people. Maybe it's a promotion from within,
Speaker 4: Maybe Jordan Max Simmick gets that, you know, opportunity as
Speaker 4: a head coach, or you know, maybe they you know,
Speaker 4: look around the league to a guy like Buck Pierce
Speaker 4: who didn't call his best game in the Great Cup,
Speaker 4: as we've alluded to. But you know, maybe it's one
Speaker 4: of those guys that gets a first time opportunity because
Speaker 4: there's not too many guys with the head coaching experience
Speaker 4: just sitting around in the CFL.
Speaker 1: It is weird it just to speak on that, and
Speaker 1: then I have the one quick thing about Tronto, Like
Speaker 1: the Rick Campbell thing is weird to me because you know,
Speaker 1: obviously we saw that with Jason Moss and from the Cordinata,
Speaker 1: you know, going over to the Olwettes and kind of
Speaker 1: you know, they what do they call that, like failing up?
Speaker 5: But you got promoted that. But you know, generally, if.
Speaker 1: You're a coach like Rick, you would take a couple
Speaker 1: of seasons off and people kind of forget about, Okay,
Speaker 1: what's going on? Like to me, and the people think,
Speaker 1: you know, I know we've talked about Belichick and whatever
Speaker 1: in the chat, but like to me, that's the damn
Speaker 1: this thing right now is Bill Belichick went from last
Speaker 1: year where you know, no one wanted him and kind
Speaker 1: of saw how you know, the Patriots kind of collapsed
Speaker 1: and he was old and kind of whatever, and then
Speaker 1: you know he's doing all this media stuff now and
Speaker 1: he's like the jolliest, funniest guy in the world. And
Speaker 1: then you you know, we guarantee he's gonna get hired
Speaker 1: somewhere next year. It's like that's the same guy that
Speaker 1: didn't want to do. Like the thing to me with
Speaker 1: Rick is just wild where we just saw, like we
Speaker 1: just lived through how many years of this in in BC,
Speaker 1: and now you're gonna go hot, Like why would we
Speaker 1: expect anything different? And if you have any thoughts on
Speaker 1: that of a second, the other thing I was gonna
Speaker 1: say with Toronto is it's really a shame to me,
Speaker 1: like and this is a really good story and and everything,
Speaker 1: and we would dim waiting and everything they've gone through
Speaker 1: and kind of the adversity, which part of which was
Speaker 1: you know, self inflicted with Chad and all that.
Speaker 5: However you want to look at that. But I do
Speaker 5: still feel like that kind of.
Speaker 1: Hangs over because even in the you know that I
Speaker 1: thought Chad was just obnoxious in the in the in
Speaker 1: the prey kind of thing and screaming and yelling. And
Speaker 1: I understand you're with the team and it's not like
Speaker 1: you you know, you you didn't meet the bombers. You
Speaker 1: weren't there you miss half the season.
Speaker 5: Uh. And I think.
Speaker 1: Whether you agree with kind of how the league handled
Speaker 1: that or not, I just think that Chad just doesn't
Speaker 1: come across as a very likable guy online or doing any.
Speaker 5: Of this kind of stuff.
Speaker 1: And I think that hurts in that regard of just
Speaker 1: like this should be very overwhelmingly positive right now for Toronto.
Speaker 1: I don't like that, and obviously he's going to be
Speaker 1: back next year. Andy, any thoughts on anything I've said.
Speaker 1: I know I dropped a couple of different things there.
Speaker 7: Well, and just as quickly in regards to Chad Killing,
Speaker 7: I mean, they've hitched their wagon to him. For better
Speaker 7: or words. They seem to love him, even if the
Speaker 7: public doesn't. But that I has to do with litigation
Speaker 7: or public perception. They don't seem to care. So we'll
Speaker 7: see what happens as regards to that. And also again
Speaker 7: with some of the structural shifts, we'll see if you know,
Speaker 7: someone like John Murphy stay around for that for that team,
Speaker 7: the team president. You know, there's there were some reporting
Speaker 7: on that I've already seen. We'll we'll see what happens
Speaker 7: going forward. But as far as the rest of the league.
Speaker 7: I can sense that there's going to be a dramatic
Speaker 7: shift and a lot of teams, especially in the West.
Speaker 7: Obviously BC's making wholesale changes Saskatchewan. Again, it kind of
Speaker 7: comes down to does Trevor Harris stay around. That's really
Speaker 7: kind of one of the big dominoes Calgary. Calgary needs
Speaker 7: to restock the shells quickly. If Dave Dickinson wants to
Speaker 7: stay around, I mean the clock's kind of ticking on
Speaker 7: him right now too. And I just wonder about, you know,
Speaker 7: what kind of changes our Hamilton is going to make.
Speaker 7: You know, obviously another season where they didn't really meet
Speaker 7: their own expectations. You know, a lot of the quarterback
Speaker 7: movement we talked, asked that Dave Naylor about that the carousel.
Speaker 7: I mean, it seems like quarterback musical chairs. Obviously, Uh yes,
Speaker 7: we know that, thank you. But reading the fact about
Speaker 7: Trevor Harris being the same age as Rida, and I've
Speaker 7: never heard that one before. But look, I just wonder
Speaker 7: about this musical chairs with all the quarterbacks because there's
Speaker 7: so many different guys that possibly could start that aren't
Speaker 7: going to have a starting spot when the camp opens
Speaker 7: or when it's uh when it concludes, I should say,
Speaker 7: And so for me, I just wonder, like where that's
Speaker 7: all gonna go. There's there's gonna be so much movement.
Speaker 7: I'm really excited for all of it, but what it
Speaker 7: looks like right now is really going to look a
Speaker 7: lot different when training camp starts.
Speaker 1: Yeah, that was kind of what we uh, I mean,
Speaker 1: Andy and I come of all week, it felt like
Speaker 1: anyone you talk to, you know, even you know, the
Speaker 1: Jimoens and Jamie and I and everyone is just kind
Speaker 1: of like, yeah, that's gonna be really crazy with that.
Speaker 5: Yeah, she's got a Jim on that came to dinner
Speaker 5: with all of us.
Speaker 1: That was fun, even though like I was loving because
Speaker 1: I can text everyone, Hey, I got a special guest coming.
Speaker 5: I show Jim and everyone's like, we thought it was
Speaker 5: gonna before hunt. I'm like, don't say that, Jim is
Speaker 5: any there.
Speaker 1: You say that, You say that after the fact, you
Speaker 1: don't say that during the back Evan any faster in
Speaker 1: the future. And then we'll spend the last couple of
Speaker 1: minutes you're telling funny stories and we'll get out of
Speaker 1: here because we got a It's gonna be a good
Speaker 1: game tonight, right we got Steelers Browns, right, Yeah, Russell Wilson,
Speaker 1: here we go.
Speaker 6: Yeah, there's gonna be a lot of movement on many levels.
Speaker 6: There's gonna be personnel, there's gonna be coaches, there's gonna
Speaker 6: be players.
Speaker 2: You know.
Speaker 6: The BC situation I think is an interesting one to monitor.
Speaker 6: I'll start there. You know, Jordan Max Simmick to me,
Speaker 6: was kind of the automatic name that came to mind,
Speaker 6: especially given he was the one who kind of brought
Speaker 6: Nathan Rourke to power in twenty twenty two during his
Speaker 6: outstanding season that eventually put him into the NFL with
Speaker 6: the Jacksonville Jaguars. You know, Buck Pierce, I also think
Speaker 6: is a convincing name. Like you might remember last year
Speaker 6: when Saskatchewan was doing their coaching hires, Buck Pierce was
Speaker 6: a finalist for that. It came down to, you know,
Speaker 6: either him or Corey Mace, and they went with Corey
Speaker 6: Mace obviously worked out pretty well for them. You know,
Speaker 6: wouldn't mind, you know, I think Buck Pierce has done
Speaker 6: enough in this league to get an opportunity again part
Speaker 6: of the uh yeah, that dynasty term, you know, got
Speaker 6: to be careful with that. But again, he's he's been there,
Speaker 6: and and you know, he's helped Zach and he's helped
Speaker 6: Drew Brown, He's helped Chris Traveler, He's helped a lot
Speaker 6: of prominent names in this league, you know, and especially
Speaker 6: I mean the plethora of receivers that Winnipeg has and
Speaker 6: just playmakers all around. Andrew Harris who had in the backfield.
Speaker 6: Then it was Brady Olivera. So obviously you know, he's
Speaker 6: got a wealth of experience that he could bring. The
Speaker 6: other spot I'll talk about. I mean, I think Edmonton's
Speaker 6: pretty clear to me at this point. It's already been
Speaker 6: touched on. But the Hamilton GM opening, I think is
Speaker 6: an interesting one. You know, Uh, Jason already talked about.
Speaker 6: You know, Danny McManus, Ted Gevaia. Do those guys come
Speaker 6: together as a package deal? Currently they you know, are
Speaker 6: in that situation under Kyle Walters in Winnipeg, Ted Gava
Speaker 6: being the senior assistant GM and Danny McManus being the
Speaker 6: just assistant GM who runs the US scouting. You know,
Speaker 6: So do they hire one, do they hire both? If
Speaker 6: they hire one, which one is it? Or do they
Speaker 6: go external? I mean, I think you know, you saw
Speaker 6: like Scott Milanovitch, right, was kind of an external hire,
Speaker 6: a guy who had been in the CFL before but
Speaker 6: was working you know, in the NFL prior. And I
Speaker 6: think Ken Austin at one point who's now doing some
Speaker 6: stuff at Auburn, had been in Hamilton maybe, and he
Speaker 6: was a guy who again was an external hire at
Speaker 6: one time, so they kind of have a history with that.
Speaker 6: The one really interesting name that I saw that came
Speaker 6: up in some places was Chris Rosetti, who I believe
Speaker 6: is the director of pro scouting with the New York Giants.
Speaker 6: You know, obviously the Giants might be doing some you
Speaker 6: know restructuring in the offseason with their personnel department and
Speaker 6: coaches and whatever. You know, we've we've yet to see that.
Speaker 6: But he was a guy I'm pretty sure he's Canadian
Speaker 6: and worked with the Argos when he was young at
Speaker 6: one point in a variety of you know, personnel or
Speaker 6: coaching roles. So that would be one the monitor.
Speaker 2: You know, hard to.
Speaker 6: Tell again which direction Hamilton's gonna go yet, just with
Speaker 6: their history. But uh, again, that's just that's just like
Speaker 6: the tip of the iceberg. There's so much more that
Speaker 6: we could talk about. If if we have more time.
Speaker 6: But again, a lot of it, you know, I want
Speaker 6: to say a lot of it will take uh will
Speaker 6: take time to figure out. But at least on the
Speaker 6: personnel level, that's stuff that you have to get the
Speaker 6: ball rolling on pretty quickly because there's decisions to be made,
Speaker 6: guys to re sign and all that.
Speaker 1: So yeah, yeah, Tim and Andy Tim here, and then
Speaker 1: we can start getting into kind of wrapping this and that.
Speaker 5: But yeah, like the question me, what what will be?
Speaker 5: He ask? And I'll tell you.
Speaker 1: I mean, it's gonna be a sad day when BC
Speaker 1: finally gets rid of Vernon here and I know we
Speaker 1: obviously the writing's on the wall and all that, but like, yeah,
Speaker 1: do we promote Jordan and it's like the Nathan Show
Speaker 1: all I hope, I mean, I hope, I hope we'll
Speaker 1: see I mean a lot any anything's on that and
Speaker 1: and they we can kind of transition on, you know,
Speaker 1: I Uh.
Speaker 4: One one thing we didn't touch on that I wanted
Speaker 4: to say is that the situation in Montreal was one
Speaker 4: to monitor. I think there were three down nations guys.
Speaker 4: I was listening to you know, earlier this week they
Speaker 4: were saying because they have a choice to make between
Speaker 4: you know, Cody Fajardo and Davis Alexander. That from the
Speaker 4: people that they've talked to, it seems like Davis Alexander
Speaker 4: is the guy that they would prefer to keep. So
Speaker 4: don't be surprised if Cody Fajardo ends up being a
Speaker 4: free agent. And you know, with all these guys, and
Speaker 4: Naylor was talking about this on the show being available
Speaker 4: this offseason, somebody's gonna be left without a dance partner
Speaker 4: at the end here, and someone's gonna have to be
Speaker 4: a backup that we didn't expect. Maybe that's tray Ford,
Speaker 4: maybe that's uh, you know, Pajardo. Like I said, so,
Speaker 4: it's gonna be very interesting to see what happens this
Speaker 4: offseason with the quarterback reshuffling.
Speaker 1: Yeah, any thoughts on that, thoughts on VA and then
Speaker 1: we'll because I know he's your boy.
Speaker 3: No, he's absolute right.
Speaker 7: I mean, just to think of the list off the
Speaker 7: top of your head, You've got Cody Ferjardo and Davis Alexander.
Speaker 7: I would think that Montreal is just from what I'm
Speaker 7: kind of sensing from how Danny Machosha their GM talked
Speaker 7: and how other people are talking it seems like that's
Speaker 7: if they've put in that much work to develop Davis Alexander,
Speaker 7: then they're probably gonna have to roll with him going forward,
Speaker 7: make the difficult decision of parting ways with Cody Ferjardo.
Speaker 7: So that's kind of the thought there. I agree with
Speaker 7: Tim what Tims saying Cody maybe being traded and then
Speaker 7: Alexander Beek signed to a multi year contract because again
Speaker 7: they put so much space in capital in that believe
Speaker 7: I Mitchell came up an MOPS season. Does Hamilton want
Speaker 7: to restructure his contract or is he going to have
Speaker 7: to go find that money elsewhere? That's another question obviously.
Speaker 7: Chad Kelly, but again we don't know how healthy Chad
Speaker 7: Kelly is going to be. Somebody else going to come
Speaker 7: in and step in into Toronto, PJ.
Speaker 3: Walker and Calgary.
Speaker 7: Is Calgary going to trade for somebody or acquire somebody.
Speaker 7: Obviously VA has to be traded to somebody at some point,
Speaker 7: but somebody want to be keen on making him the starter.
Speaker 7: Trevor Harris Nathan Worrick obviously seems to be the presumed
Speaker 7: starter in BC. Do we assume that Zach Coloska, I
Speaker 7: mean again, Zach Laros just based on healthwise, I know
Speaker 7: he has to think, have some time to think, and
Speaker 7: he said it's pretty much ninety nine point nine percent
Speaker 7: chance he comes back, but you know, things can change,
Speaker 7: and so yeah, obviously has like the Petz Dispenser hand,
Speaker 7: but our finger, I should say, But I guess for me,
Speaker 7: it's just like Jason was saying, it's a shame that
Speaker 7: somebody's gonna.
Speaker 3: Have to be left out in here.
Speaker 7: Yeah, yeah, right right, but it's a shame that somebody's
Speaker 7: gonna be left out out of the dances. Like he said,
Speaker 7: I would think if you're asking me, yes, my personal
Speaker 7: homersm here, it would be a damn shame if someone
Speaker 7: like Vernon Adams ana have a starting jobber, if trey
Speaker 7: Ford wasn't given a real chance with somebody, which again,
Speaker 7: if Rick Campbell comes over to Edmonton, I'm just gonna
Speaker 7: say it right now, I think trey Ford needs a
Speaker 7: head for the Hills if if that's the case, because
Speaker 7: Rick is probably going to try bring in somebody else,
Speaker 7: and I don't know if that's really the guy that
Speaker 7: I really want coaching trade for it. Sorry, but that's
Speaker 7: my personal take, and so we'll see what happens going forward.
Speaker 7: But yeah, I mean it's good that they have a
Speaker 7: glut of quarterbacks. I'll say that because two years ago
Speaker 7: there was complaints that there were not enough quarterbacks and
Speaker 7: now all of a sudden they have plenty of them.
Speaker 5: Yeah. It was funny, right, wasn't it.
Speaker 1: An ed kind of in his introductory thing with Edmonton
Speaker 1: and he's like, you know, we're intent and we want
Speaker 1: to win, and we're here, and I'm like, do you
Speaker 1: know who you're rumored to be hiring to be your head?
Speaker 1: Like I didn't want to tweet anything because I'm like,
Speaker 1: I don't like hate Rick Campbell demand but I'm like, okay,
Speaker 1: that doesn't speak to the Yeah, yeah, I'm Tray four
Speaker 1: and I get the hell out of there because there's
Speaker 1: no place for that.
Speaker 5: Anything else we'll round out. I thought it was funny.
Speaker 1: It was any anyone had any feel fun stories or
Speaker 1: anything to share here. At the end, I'm glad that
Speaker 1: we got Andy an audience with John Hodge and JC
Speaker 1: with the Three Dom podcast. I was happy to facilitate
Speaker 1: that Jason had to fly back early. We went in
Speaker 1: John Hodge very quiet to me, I did get a.
Speaker 5: Deans for coming handshake.
Speaker 1: The last night there, I was not too chatty with me.
Speaker 1: I talked to her with that Joel guy that works
Speaker 1: with Three Down.
Speaker 5: You know, we talked with jac a little bit.
Speaker 1: I'm glad Andy was able to talk with him. Anyone
Speaker 1: else have any takeaways any other stuff from Vancouver or
Speaker 1: anything else, any other observations.
Speaker 4: Yeah, it was cool to see, you know, just from
Speaker 4: hanging out in the team party headquarters. Just seeing BeO,
Speaker 4: Levi Mitchell and other people walking around. I mean that's
Speaker 4: what is the beauty of the CFL and beauty of
Speaker 4: Gray Cup is just stuff like that you could never
Speaker 4: see in the NFL, where like people are just down
Speaker 4: to earth and personal with you. You can meet anybody,
Speaker 4: and yeah, I just love that about Great Cup week.
Speaker 5: Yeah, it was funny. I was went to the crack
Speaker 5: game last night.
Speaker 1: My buddy was like, oh, so, I does Gray Cup
Speaker 1: like have a big like thing around it.
Speaker 5: I'm like, yeah, that's like.
Speaker 1: Eighty percent of the thing is I go into the
Speaker 1: things around the Great Cup and then the game. Evan,
Speaker 1: any takeaways? Are you anything you enjoyed your experiences Vancouver?
Speaker 7: Uh?
Speaker 6: Well, I do have one funny story. So you know,
Speaker 6: we were in the FRC suite or whatever. I was
Speaker 6: there like eleven to twelve thirty, and then I had
Speaker 6: to go to bed because my flight, my flight back
Speaker 6: out here, I had to connect for Houston. I didn't
Speaker 6: get a like five thirty in the morning, and U
Speaker 6: you know, one of the guys that I was hoping
Speaker 6: to see was Naylor, you know, because I didn't get
Speaker 6: to see him on the show and me and him
Speaker 6: obviously talk a lot, you know, developed their relationship with him.
Speaker 6: So I'm on my way back, you know, the next day,
Speaker 6: right I'm in Houston on my connecting flight, and I'm
Speaker 6: texting Naylor and I'm like, hey, man, I was in
Speaker 6: the suite last night from whatever time to whatever time.
Speaker 6: I was a bit late, but I didn't see it.
Speaker 6: He goes, oh, well, that's interesting. I got there at
Speaker 6: two forty five in the morning and was there till four.
Speaker 6: But yeah, I mean, you know, we'll catch up eventually whatever.
Speaker 6: And I said, well, that would have been great, Dave,
Speaker 6: but I had to get up at five thirty, you
Speaker 6: know for my eight thirty flight, you know. And then
Speaker 6: I and then we joked and I said, well, I
Speaker 6: guess I'm only a rookie, because whatever I thought was
Speaker 6: late clearly is not.
Speaker 2: You know, but now look we had a good time.
Speaker 6: And again even though I was only there for what
Speaker 6: ended up being a bit more than a day, you know,
Speaker 6: we made the most of it, right Like that, Jason
Speaker 6: pointed out that Team Party headquarters thing was fantastic. It
Speaker 6: wasn't Hamilton. And then in BC, just with the setup there,
Speaker 6: you know, at the convention Center. Again, have to give credit,
Speaker 6: like this is a guy we've talked about plenty of
Speaker 6: times and I know, Reed, you're obviously very fond of,
Speaker 6: but like Amar Doman, man, it's incredible to see his
Speaker 6: buy into this league and you can tell he really cares.
Speaker 6: And you know, the that zip line stuff going on there, man,
Speaker 6: I mean that was all just crazy. Like I I
Speaker 6: didn't anticipate that. I had no idea that was even
Speaker 6: going on until I had seen some tweets a couple
Speaker 6: of days before I got there, right when they were
Speaker 6: setting it up for the whole week. You know, just
Speaker 6: an incredible event. Really, Like I thought Hamilton was great,
Speaker 6: but I remember, you know, going to that convention Center
Speaker 6: in BC and thinking there's just so much room here.
Speaker 2: You know, there's so much going on.
Speaker 6: As Jason pointed out too, you know a lot of
Speaker 6: players walking around just very casual. You can strike up
Speaker 6: a conversation with anybody. And that's the great part about,
Speaker 6: you know, what this league offers. Compared to say, you know,
Speaker 6: the NFL or maybe even college football to a degree,
Speaker 6: you just don't really ever get that experience, you know,
Speaker 6: And I know, I had a great time talking to people.
Speaker 6: It's just really easy when you don't have to, you know,
Speaker 6: necessarily coordinate external meetups and everybody's kind of already in
Speaker 6: one place. It's like just one spot where everything's happening,
Speaker 6: and yeah, good time all round.
Speaker 5: Yeah, it was funny.
Speaker 1: I co signed that in Yeah, Andy, I think it's
Speaker 1: computer Daddy's back. I was just I was just resizing
Speaker 1: stuff on my end, and I'm like, oh, did I
Speaker 1: like I hope I didn't kick anyone out or did
Speaker 1: I get dropped off or whatever. But it's cool seeing
Speaker 1: everyone around, and like Evan said, it's in an approachable
Speaker 1: way that Paul and I remember when we did Wrestle
Speaker 1: Mandy eight years ago, and like you might run into
Speaker 1: wrestlers who do whatever, but it's hey, you want a
Speaker 1: photo it's fifty bucks or you know, you want a signature, whatever,
Speaker 1: Hey buy my shirt. Like there's a lot of that
Speaker 1: kind of thing where everybody there, Like you could have
Speaker 1: walked into anyone at any time and said, hey, can
Speaker 1: let me get a photo or a handshake or you know,
Speaker 1: just stay congrats or whatever.
Speaker 5: Really kind of approachable that way.
Speaker 1: Yeah, Tim Light the drone show we did that we
Speaker 1: were in the wrong Evan was late getting in because
Speaker 1: his flight. He wasn't late, he just is fighting it
Speaker 1: in Andy and I and Dorothy went out to see
Speaker 1: that we were on the wrong side of the pier,
Speaker 1: and so we kind of realized it was you know, there.
Speaker 5: Was no like music.
Speaker 1: It would have helped without the announcements or anything with that.
Speaker 1: But I will just say my thing and I'll toss
Speaker 1: to you two guys, will get out of here for
Speaker 1: Thursday night football. Like, I just thought the West Coast
Speaker 1: aspect of it made it so nice. I thought the
Speaker 1: area worked down there great, having the team headquarters, having
Speaker 1: the media row and all that, having the water there,
Speaker 1: I know, the zipline and all that, but you didn't
Speaker 1: even necessarily have that, but everything and then just just
Speaker 1: the game and just not having it be two degrees
Speaker 1: Jason and I understand that.
Speaker 5: Like, okay, in the Canadian League and we need to
Speaker 5: play it.
Speaker 1: But like the fact that you could just sit and
Speaker 1: watch the game and I have to worry about like
Speaker 1: reizing to death win a really long you know. I'm
Speaker 1: not saying it's gotta be an every year thing, but
Speaker 1: like every two to three years. I just it gives
Speaker 1: people you can bring out your kids and stuff you
Speaker 1: don't have to worry about. You know, we got to
Speaker 1: put eighteen layers on them, Like it just made the
Speaker 1: game watching so much more enjoyable. They're like, I could
Speaker 1: just sit there in jeans in the sweatshirt and watch
Speaker 1: the game.
Speaker 4: Yeah, I agree. Like even as a Canadian, don't I
Speaker 4: don't love the cold. I mean, I'm not looking forward
Speaker 4: to how cold it's gonna be next year in Winnipeg,
Speaker 4: especially so I will say the previous two Gray Cups
Speaker 4: and Hamilton are two of the last three years in Hamilton,
Speaker 4: it wasn't that cold, especially the one that was twenty
Speaker 4: twenty one, which was in December, the latest Gray Cup
Speaker 4: ever played. I thought it was, you know, ridiculously warm
Speaker 4: for December. So hopefully it's similar to that in Winnipeg.
Speaker 5: Tell my wife that not anything else, we'll get.
Speaker 2: Out of here.
Speaker 7: I just had an Thralley experience from front to back.
Speaker 7: I know, I'm the rookie here, my first time being there,
Speaker 7: first time being in Vancouver. I loved it from every aspect,
Speaker 7: every angle. I loved going to outside with all the
Speaker 7: different bands playing. I didn't ride any of the zip lines,
Speaker 7: but I loved just seeing how how fun it was.
Speaker 7: People were just so into it. The convention centers were great,
Speaker 7: a lot of things to do, especially for the kids,
Speaker 7: and then the team party HQ's I will say, and
Speaker 7: this is an interesting point that's been brought up by
Speaker 7: a couple of different podcasts. Maybe the space was too big,
Speaker 7: but you know what, I'd rather be too big than
Speaker 7: too small.
Speaker 3: Just my personal standpoint, because you can put in as
Speaker 3: much as you want.
Speaker 7: Go bake or go home. And they certainly did. The
Speaker 7: presentation with a great cup. I thought the national anthem
Speaker 7: was beautiful. I loved the halftime performance. I'm not a
Speaker 7: Jonas Brothers fan, but I think the presentation was great.
Speaker 7: The lighting, the paneling up on the upper rafters at
Speaker 7: BC plays was great.
Speaker 3: You know the biggest thing.
Speaker 7: That my biggest takeaway, especially with all the people that
Speaker 7: we talked to and the things about how you could
Speaker 7: just see coaches, you could see owners. I mean, mar
Speaker 7: Doman was just walking around, you know, on the ground
Speaker 7: floor before the Great cop talking to people. I mean
Speaker 7: from our standpoint, just to understand as America as like Americans,
Speaker 7: there's such a velvet rope aspect, especially in sports, where
Speaker 7: it's like, hey, you know, don't talk to this person,
Speaker 7: like oh, you know, to leave them alone, Like we
Speaker 7: can't have you talk to No, that was not the
Speaker 7: sense here.
Speaker 3: Everybody could talk.
Speaker 7: To anybody at any point about anything, and no one
Speaker 7: was really being harassed. I really love that a lot. Obviously,
Speaker 7: I know you are not the biggest fan, and maybe
Speaker 7: I'm not the biggest fan of them either, read but
Speaker 7: seeing Rick Campbell just walking around in the convention center
Speaker 7: was really cool.
Speaker 3: I mean, I had coaches just you know, hanging out
Speaker 3: like that.
Speaker 7: Part of it is so cool and I really appreciate that.
Speaker 7: I just appreciated all the really just want to shout
Speaker 7: out all the media personnel who were kind to me,
Speaker 7: even though they had never met me personally before, for
Speaker 7: them to just be like, hey, yeah, you're part of
Speaker 7: the troop, like this is this is through space, like
Speaker 7: no hazing, nothing, not saying they would, but like you know,
Speaker 7: sometimes it'd be a little rough in the in the business.
Speaker 7: And so I appreciate it, and I really appreciate being
Speaker 7: part of that process. And I absolutely want to go
Speaker 7: back to Vancouver. I have to say, going to the
Speaker 7: Great Cup is like it's like a drug, you know,
Speaker 7: it really is, And I get why people are so
Speaker 7: into it, why it's so traditional, and if anything else,
Speaker 7: I just wish more people could experience it because it's
Speaker 7: really that great.
Speaker 1: Yeah, Andy, I was really worried the first year we win,
Speaker 1: you know, like would there be some sort of hazy
Speaker 1: either gate.
Speaker 5: Keeping upon and I don't a lot with that online No, I.
Speaker 1: Mean everyone couldn't be nice for both meetiing fans anything else.
Speaker 1: Evan Jason will get out of here, all right. Well,
Speaker 1: thanks to everyone for watching like and subscribe. We will,
Speaker 1: like I said, probably go dark here. I know we're
Speaker 1: going to have the UFL schedule coming out look for
Speaker 1: you know, Andy and I might try to figure out
Speaker 1: a stream or something with that when that comes. It's
Speaker 1: been you know many weeks coming, but we'll see. And then,
Speaker 1: like I said, once we start getting some UFL content,
Speaker 1: I get some CFO interviews on here, it's not worth
Speaker 1: the squeeze to get, you know, try to track down
Speaker 1: and whatever to get fifteen minutes and just have it
Speaker 1: die on here with the algorithm.
Speaker 5: So we'll start packaging up some of that stuff.
Speaker 1: We'll be quiet for a little bit, but you know,
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Speaker 5: Jason, thanks for coming.
Speaker 1: It was great hanging out with you and Alex and
Speaker 1: Evan making the time and fighting through the flights and
Speaker 1: everything and Andy as always, and I appreciate you know, everyone,
Speaker 1: all the media, everyone else. Couldn't have gone better. We
Speaker 1: will see you guys next time.