WEBVTT 1 00:00:32.520 --> 00:00:37.479 Well here we are back again. Happy Thursday. Everyone coming off. 2 00:00:37.799 --> 00:00:41.679 Everyone's back home after the Gray Cup here, appreciate everyone 3 00:00:41.759 --> 00:00:44.119 checking in. We'll put the pammel up here, all that 4 00:00:44.119 --> 00:00:47.039 we've got Andy on here, Jason, everyone's on. We'll do 5 00:00:47.159 --> 00:00:49.159 some Prephecy stuff here and then we'll kind of get 6 00:00:49.200 --> 00:00:52.880 into everything. Thanks everyone for checking us out here backstate 7 00:00:52.960 --> 00:00:55.840 side that. Jason's back of Hamilton that following the Gray Cup. 8 00:00:55.920 --> 00:01:00.359 Appreciate that. Fifteen thousand plus watching the pregame show bad. 9 00:01:00.399 --> 00:01:02.880 I'll get into more of that later. We'll talk through 10 00:01:02.920 --> 00:01:05.840 Gray Cup recap today, kind of the collapse of Winnipeg. 11 00:01:05.959 --> 00:01:09.599 We're going to talk the Rick Campbell, Edmonton elks BC 12 00:01:09.760 --> 00:01:12.680 Lions news. We'll do stories and everything else from the 13 00:01:12.680 --> 00:01:16.920 breakup today so I can subscribe. We're transitioning out of CFL. 14 00:01:16.959 --> 00:01:19.000 We'll be moving into the UFL here. I think we're 15 00:01:19.000 --> 00:01:21.959 getting the schedule here. Maybe at some point Andy and 16 00:01:22.000 --> 00:01:24.879 that we had another pressure release today talking things about 17 00:01:24.920 --> 00:01:26.680 the UFL. That isn't the schedule, but if you want 18 00:01:26.680 --> 00:01:29.159 any of that, and once we started getting some actually 19 00:01:29.200 --> 00:01:32.719 UFL episodes, well maybe we'll do some off season CFL interviews. 20 00:01:32.719 --> 00:01:36.239 They just don't you know, Cody Fajardo or whoever for 21 00:01:36.280 --> 00:01:39.040 twelve minutes kind of standalone, just doesn't really do it 22 00:01:39.079 --> 00:01:41.200 on the YouTube. But let's go around the horn here 23 00:01:41.239 --> 00:01:43.560 at Jason back in Hamilton. Jason, sir, how are you doing? 24 00:01:44.280 --> 00:01:44.760 Doing good? 25 00:01:44.799 --> 00:01:45.040 Read? 26 00:01:45.439 --> 00:01:47.879 You know, all recovered from the trip out west and 27 00:01:48.439 --> 00:01:50.959 you know, ready to talk about what we experienced over 28 00:01:51.000 --> 00:01:51.359 the weekend. 29 00:01:52.200 --> 00:01:53.000 Evan, how are you? 30 00:01:53.239 --> 00:01:55.760 Evan getting on another flight here, he says, tomorrow back 31 00:01:55.760 --> 00:01:58.439 home for Thanksgiving, American Thanksgiving, American thanks team. 32 00:01:58.480 --> 00:01:59.280 But Evan, how are you, sir? 33 00:02:00.079 --> 00:02:02.239 Yeah? Doing well. It's been It's been busy man. 34 00:02:02.280 --> 00:02:04.239 You know, obviously I had some delays getting out there 35 00:02:04.239 --> 00:02:06.680 to Vancouver for Great Cup, but really enjoyed my time. 36 00:02:06.719 --> 00:02:09.400 We'll get into that. Made it back without any issues 37 00:02:09.439 --> 00:02:11.360 and then on the road again, since that's what my 38 00:02:11.360 --> 00:02:14.599 life seems to be nowadays. So yeah, all good man. 39 00:02:14.879 --> 00:02:15.800 Andy, how are you, sir? 40 00:02:16.879 --> 00:02:18.479 I'm great, But I just want to make sure. 41 00:02:18.639 --> 00:02:21.199 Did you have a hard time subtling on one of 42 00:02:21.240 --> 00:02:24.840 your five hundred hyperbolic headlines for this podcast or are 43 00:02:24.840 --> 00:02:26.039 you were satisfied with what you have? 44 00:02:26.840 --> 00:02:27.039 Yeah? 45 00:02:27.080 --> 00:02:28.639 It was, you know, it was really hard because I'm 46 00:02:28.639 --> 00:02:30.479 like every once in a while, I'm like sitting around 47 00:02:30.520 --> 00:02:32.120 and you know, if we had done more, if I 48 00:02:32.159 --> 00:02:34.680 hadn't been so busy this summer, like sometimes I like 49 00:02:34.719 --> 00:02:35.680 to sit around the workshop. 50 00:02:35.759 --> 00:02:37.360 Yeah, it was like the CFL blew. 51 00:02:37.080 --> 00:02:39.360 Our Mind and the Great Cup and I've got that 52 00:02:39.439 --> 00:02:41.599 vid iq. They'll give you like a couple of free 53 00:02:41.639 --> 00:02:43.520 ideas a day and I'm like, Okay, I gotta wait. 54 00:02:43.680 --> 00:02:45.919 It's like you're doing the candy crush, right. I got 55 00:02:45.919 --> 00:02:47.840 to wait twenty four hours and I can try. 56 00:02:47.719 --> 00:02:49.080 And get But I think it's good. 57 00:02:49.120 --> 00:02:51.439 I was already getting some Winnipeg people mad at me, 58 00:02:51.840 --> 00:02:52.719 you know, talking about that. 59 00:02:52.800 --> 00:02:53.360 But I do think. 60 00:02:53.400 --> 00:02:55.199 I do think it's a little bit of a collapse here, 61 00:02:55.840 --> 00:02:57.319 one of the biggest you could look at it. A 62 00:02:57.360 --> 00:02:59.800 collaps of a game, collapse of a season, collapse of 63 00:02:59.800 --> 00:03:02.240 a dynasty here. I know Siegal's big on that, but 64 00:03:02.599 --> 00:03:05.240 lots of CFL stuff to talk about. Yes, Evan would 65 00:03:05.280 --> 00:03:06.719 have been part of the live show, and I think 66 00:03:06.719 --> 00:03:09.800 I said that off the top of our live stream, like, oh, Evan, 67 00:03:09.919 --> 00:03:10.680 we'll talk about that. 68 00:03:11.120 --> 00:03:12.680 I don't think I ever did. I had a couple 69 00:03:12.759 --> 00:03:14.400 of Moses before bron Ja Jason. 70 00:03:14.479 --> 00:03:17.400 I had, but Evan Delay get now a part of 71 00:03:17.439 --> 00:03:19.439 everything else for a great Cup. It just wasn't able 72 00:03:19.520 --> 00:03:22.080 to be part of the live stream real quick. Like 73 00:03:22.159 --> 00:03:24.639 I said, thanks to everyone for checking out the stream. 74 00:03:25.120 --> 00:03:27.680 I thought it was really cool. Obviously, last year's stream 75 00:03:27.759 --> 00:03:30.319 kind of hit. I popped the algorithm, and I think 76 00:03:30.319 --> 00:03:33.360 people looking for illegal streams, But we did about fifteen 77 00:03:33.400 --> 00:03:36.719 thousand in Saskatchewan, did about fifteen thousand this week. I 78 00:03:36.719 --> 00:03:39.199 feel like that's kind of at least a sample size 79 00:03:39.199 --> 00:03:43.120 now for that, but more views than anything YouTube I 80 00:03:43.199 --> 00:03:45.800 saw of anyone except that the cfl A post in 81 00:03:45.879 --> 00:03:48.199 the game and then the halftime show with the Jonas Brothers. 82 00:03:48.199 --> 00:03:51.520 But anyone else I bumped shoulders with all weekend that 83 00:03:51.599 --> 00:03:53.960 was involved in the YouTube space. I thought I didn't 84 00:03:53.960 --> 00:03:56.560 see anything else, So unless I'm mistaken, but that speaks 85 00:03:56.560 --> 00:03:59.080 to me the importance of having that independent people like 86 00:03:59.199 --> 00:04:02.240 us associated covering the league helps. Having a diverse set 87 00:04:02.240 --> 00:04:04.680 of opinions helps you. Having people from down south, I 88 00:04:04.719 --> 00:04:07.319 think Jason's always been a wealth of knowledge and kind 89 00:04:07.319 --> 00:04:10.120 of in that more alternative space in Canada on the 90 00:04:10.120 --> 00:04:12.840 other side, so it just further solidifies that. As we 91 00:04:12.840 --> 00:04:14.719 look at the UFL and everything else. I think you 92 00:04:14.759 --> 00:04:16.240 need to have a breadth of that. And I have 93 00:04:16.279 --> 00:04:18.879 great respect for the Jeff Hamilton's and Tim Bayans of 94 00:04:18.920 --> 00:04:21.480 the world and everyone else with news and everything, but 95 00:04:21.560 --> 00:04:24.439 I think that this space and kind of figuring out 96 00:04:24.480 --> 00:04:27.040 alternative ways to cover the league, I think it just shows. 97 00:04:26.759 --> 00:04:28.680 That Andy, what did you make of that? 98 00:04:28.839 --> 00:04:29.240 Real quick? 99 00:04:29.279 --> 00:04:31.160 I don't want to like you bend over and pat 100 00:04:31.199 --> 00:04:33.639 ourselves on the back too much, but I thought it. 101 00:04:33.519 --> 00:04:34.680 Was a strong show, and I thought we did a 102 00:04:34.680 --> 00:04:35.079 good job. 103 00:04:36.160 --> 00:04:40.120 I think just the sheer people that came up onto 104 00:04:40.360 --> 00:04:44.680 your podcast was really impressive. I really liked the row 105 00:04:45.120 --> 00:04:47.639 the media road there, and I especially liked the guests 106 00:04:47.639 --> 00:04:49.079 that you had on. I know some of them are 107 00:04:49.120 --> 00:04:51.759 repeats from years past, but you also had a really 108 00:04:51.800 --> 00:04:55.480 good rotation of people not only just talking about as 109 00:04:55.519 --> 00:04:57.360 you always do, not just the game, but also the 110 00:04:57.360 --> 00:04:58.199 state of the league. 111 00:04:59.319 --> 00:04:59.959 It's a shame though. 112 00:05:00.079 --> 00:05:01.759 One person I will say I did not get to 113 00:05:01.759 --> 00:05:05.800 meet this weekend was var Han Meet. Yeah, Farhan wasn't 114 00:05:05.800 --> 00:05:07.680 on the show, and I didn't get to meet passed 115 00:05:07.680 --> 00:05:09.600 by him. I didn't remember seeing him at all at 116 00:05:09.639 --> 00:05:13.360 any juncture during the entire the entire weekend unless he 117 00:05:13.399 --> 00:05:15.839 was on the sideline during the game. So it's unfortunately 118 00:05:15.839 --> 00:05:17.839 because I really wanted to meet him. But other than that, 119 00:05:18.240 --> 00:05:21.040 fantastic set of guests again, and I think that just 120 00:05:21.079 --> 00:05:23.480 goes to show just the effort that you made to 121 00:05:23.639 --> 00:05:26.600 make yourself known in the presence of the CFL media 122 00:05:26.680 --> 00:05:29.519 escape and to draw those kinds of numbers from someone 123 00:05:29.560 --> 00:05:33.560 who's so independent just in what four short years really 124 00:05:33.720 --> 00:05:37.120 in work. I think is a testament to not only 125 00:05:37.120 --> 00:05:38.680 the work you put in, but I also think it's 126 00:05:38.680 --> 00:05:41.319 a testament to what can be done by others. I 127 00:05:41.399 --> 00:05:44.120 think people can put in that effort. I know there 128 00:05:44.199 --> 00:05:47.879 was conversation. I actually listened to the flight deck guys, who, 129 00:05:47.920 --> 00:05:50.560 by the way, we're fantastic, Tim and Cliff, You're awesome, 130 00:05:50.639 --> 00:05:52.519 Christ talk to them all weekend. But I listened to 131 00:05:52.600 --> 00:05:55.199 their podcast and they made a point about how that 132 00:05:55.399 --> 00:05:59.240 one thing that in regards to this topic, the CFL 133 00:05:59.279 --> 00:06:01.079 could maybe do a little bit better as far as 134 00:06:01.199 --> 00:06:03.560 having a media row and reaching out to podcasts more 135 00:06:03.639 --> 00:06:05.639 like yes, I'm not I actually wanted to ask you, 136 00:06:05.680 --> 00:06:09.680 did you reach out specifically to them or did did 137 00:06:09.720 --> 00:06:11.720 they actually give you a bit of a line, because 138 00:06:11.759 --> 00:06:14.480 that was one thing that they did mention on their podcast. 139 00:06:14.720 --> 00:06:17.560 Yeah, no, there was, because obviously we were with BC 140 00:06:17.759 --> 00:06:19.519 last year and so we were involved in all that. 141 00:06:19.600 --> 00:06:21.879 I thought that was really tremendous to have the radio row. 142 00:06:21.959 --> 00:06:24.319 I thought having Rob Peters and we'll do more kind 143 00:06:24.319 --> 00:06:26.040 of I want to tell we'll have funny stories here 144 00:06:26.079 --> 00:06:28.519 on the back end. But you know, having that, I 145 00:06:28.560 --> 00:06:32.160 do agree there's growth for that. We were not invited 146 00:06:32.199 --> 00:06:35.199 to be part of the the CFL Content Creators program. 147 00:06:35.480 --> 00:06:37.800 I don't think I've done enough work this season to 148 00:06:37.959 --> 00:06:39.920 justify that, But I think it's interesting when you look 149 00:06:39.959 --> 00:06:42.439 at that of like, well, I didn't I didn't run 150 00:06:42.480 --> 00:06:44.519 into anyone else. I didn't run into coach Phil. I 151 00:06:44.560 --> 00:06:46.319 didn't run into the CFL right it there. I didn't 152 00:06:46.399 --> 00:06:48.319 run I didn't see anybody there. And so I think 153 00:06:48.319 --> 00:06:51.480 that they're working on that. I know that Christine in 154 00:06:51.480 --> 00:06:53.240 the league was talking to me last year about that 155 00:06:53.319 --> 00:06:55.800 about what we really want to incorporate more and and 156 00:06:55.800 --> 00:06:57.079 and you know, kind. 157 00:06:56.920 --> 00:06:58.040 Of bolster that. 158 00:06:58.240 --> 00:07:00.920 I just think if you don't, you know, like I 159 00:07:00.959 --> 00:07:03.120 look at like Darren Balming as a perfect example of 160 00:07:03.160 --> 00:07:05.680 like here's someone that you know has found the space 161 00:07:05.720 --> 00:07:07.560 and carved that niche out of like, hey, you know, 162 00:07:07.680 --> 00:07:09.319 we're not going to get the coverage that we wanted 163 00:07:09.360 --> 00:07:12.279 Winnipeg Sports. We need to do that ourselves. I thought 164 00:07:12.319 --> 00:07:14.759 that their post game stream was tremendous. I watched part 165 00:07:14.800 --> 00:07:16.120 of it and then we were at dinner and I 166 00:07:16.160 --> 00:07:17.920 watched a lot of it when I got back to 167 00:07:18.000 --> 00:07:21.040 the room. And I think having that, just that wealth 168 00:07:21.079 --> 00:07:22.800 and Tim m Cliffe and everybody else, I think it's 169 00:07:22.800 --> 00:07:25.040 really important and it shows the bread that we can 170 00:07:25.079 --> 00:07:26.600 reach when we all come together and you get a. 171 00:07:26.600 --> 00:07:27.680 Lot of different places to Seyeah. 172 00:07:27.680 --> 00:07:29.519 We were blessed enough to be a part of that, 173 00:07:29.560 --> 00:07:31.720 but I think that needs to be concerted effort going. 174 00:07:31.759 --> 00:07:33.920 You know, just have a media row of podcasters if 175 00:07:33.959 --> 00:07:34.160 you want. 176 00:07:34.240 --> 00:07:36.759 There's there's fifteen twenty people that you could get together 177 00:07:37.079 --> 00:07:39.240 and build that out. Evan, anything else from you will 178 00:07:39.279 --> 00:07:40.680 go Jason. Then we'll talk through the game here. I 179 00:07:40.680 --> 00:07:42.519 don't want to bore people too much on the front end. 180 00:07:43.079 --> 00:07:45.199 Yeah no, I mean, look, it's a shame that I 181 00:07:45.240 --> 00:07:47.199 you know, missed the show this year, and you always 182 00:07:47.240 --> 00:07:49.240 do a great job with that. I thought this year's 183 00:07:49.439 --> 00:07:52.279 was was equally good, and I think you know, having 184 00:07:52.360 --> 00:07:55.639 Brian On specifically a player, you know, really kind of 185 00:07:55.759 --> 00:07:59.120 enhanced some things. And you know that doesn't put anybody else, 186 00:07:59.199 --> 00:08:01.680 you know, to shame or whatever. Everybody did a great job, 187 00:08:01.759 --> 00:08:04.000 but you know, again, it's it's nice to see that 188 00:08:04.040 --> 00:08:06.800 being worked in. You know, the fact again that all 189 00:08:06.839 --> 00:08:09.199 that lined up is is still a bit crazy to me. 190 00:08:09.319 --> 00:08:12.199 But yeah, man, it's just it was good to see 191 00:08:12.240 --> 00:08:14.519 everybody up there. And you know, it's too bad that 192 00:08:14.639 --> 00:08:16.560 I was a bit late, but still made the most 193 00:08:16.560 --> 00:08:16.879 of it. 194 00:08:16.800 --> 00:08:17.199 In the end. 195 00:08:17.279 --> 00:08:19.360 So yeah, I thought it was crazy. 196 00:08:19.399 --> 00:08:21.920 And maybe Jason, you're real quick like the fact that 197 00:08:21.959 --> 00:08:24.759 you know, we have Brian on and this is someone 198 00:08:24.800 --> 00:08:27.040 that we've known for years in the media space and 199 00:08:27.079 --> 00:08:28.720 the Spring leagues and everything, and they have him on 200 00:08:28.759 --> 00:08:30.639 the show and it's kind of you know, okay, the 201 00:08:30.680 --> 00:08:32.440 third stream, but we kind of know you and we 202 00:08:32.559 --> 00:08:35.240 have history. But then Jason, to see him sitting there 203 00:08:35.279 --> 00:08:37.519 and I was posting the photos like on you know, 204 00:08:37.559 --> 00:08:39.759 on the Gray Cup stage and holding the trophy, and 205 00:08:39.879 --> 00:08:41.759 it just I just felt like we were kind of 206 00:08:41.759 --> 00:08:43.639 a part of that moment and a part of that journey. 207 00:08:43.639 --> 00:08:45.919 It just it was just cool to show like we 208 00:08:45.960 --> 00:08:48.240 are it is not that large of a space. I mean, 209 00:08:48.240 --> 00:08:50.200 we all are very connected here and there's a lot 210 00:08:50.240 --> 00:08:52.440 of overlap, and like Andy was talking to Mcliffe and 211 00:08:52.480 --> 00:08:56.279 everyone else, like, it's it's not that large of a group. 212 00:08:56.279 --> 00:08:57.559 And I think we do do a good job of 213 00:08:57.600 --> 00:08:59.120 supporting that. But I thought that was cool. And the 214 00:08:59.120 --> 00:08:59.600 other thoughts for. 215 00:08:59.639 --> 00:09:02.440 Me on that, Yeah, I mean Brian Scott, I mean, 216 00:09:03.000 --> 00:09:05.840 you know, meeting him, he just seemed like such a great, genuine, 217 00:09:06.120 --> 00:09:09.320 charismatic guy. Obviously you guys are very fond of them, 218 00:09:09.320 --> 00:09:11.720 and it almost maybe want to cheer for Toronto in 219 00:09:11.759 --> 00:09:14.679 the game, even though I'm a Tiger Tiger Cats fan, 220 00:09:14.759 --> 00:09:18.120 and you know, ultimately like this show. I'm always amazed 221 00:09:18.159 --> 00:09:21.840 by how you're able to put it all together, coordinate 222 00:09:21.919 --> 00:09:24.480 all these guests. I think the unsung hero is Dorothy, 223 00:09:24.519 --> 00:09:28.360 your wife, you know, coordinating all these guests and making 224 00:09:28.399 --> 00:09:31.200 sure they're ready for their appearance on the show. So 225 00:09:32.080 --> 00:09:34.240 it's really impressive what we've been able to do and 226 00:09:34.440 --> 00:09:36.440 what you guys have been able to do in terms 227 00:09:36.480 --> 00:09:37.840 of putting together the show every year. 228 00:09:38.840 --> 00:09:41.519 So yeah, and just see, so my mother watched the stream. 229 00:09:41.600 --> 00:09:44.039 She said her favorite people were a that really nice 230 00:09:44.039 --> 00:09:46.000 boy at the end, which I knew she met Brian Scott. 231 00:09:46.039 --> 00:09:47.799 I said, okay, that makes sense, and she goes, he 232 00:09:47.879 --> 00:09:50.159 really loves you. He just really loves you. And then 233 00:09:50.480 --> 00:09:52.759 she liked that man with the nice hair, and. 234 00:09:52.960 --> 00:09:54.200 I'm like, okay, we have we have a lot of 235 00:09:54.240 --> 00:09:56.519 people with nice hair on the show, and Mike Coganes, 236 00:09:57.279 --> 00:10:00.080 the man from Florida that Rob Peterson really liked. You 237 00:10:00.159 --> 00:10:02.480 understand that man with a nice hair from four of them. 238 00:10:02.519 --> 00:10:05.200 So anyway, we'll do more festival Steff here in a 239 00:10:05.240 --> 00:10:07.840 little bit. We'll talk through all that. Andy will go 240 00:10:07.960 --> 00:10:11.080 with you first. Like you know, you've seen the title 241 00:10:11.120 --> 00:10:13.879 of the episode, Biggest Collapse, But I'll tell you. We 242 00:10:13.960 --> 00:10:16.879 got to the media room that night following everything, and 243 00:10:16.919 --> 00:10:18.120 we did dinner and everything else. 244 00:10:18.159 --> 00:10:21.159 I know, Jason was getting ready to fly back, like uh. 245 00:10:21.240 --> 00:10:22.960 There was a lot of questions being asked from the 246 00:10:23.000 --> 00:10:25.279 Winnipeg people and we were starting to get the Jeff 247 00:10:25.320 --> 00:10:26.960 Hamilton's of the world in there, and I mean even 248 00:10:27.039 --> 00:10:29.399 Jamie and I and when Darren got in there a 249 00:10:29.759 --> 00:10:32.639 lot of hard questions for the Blue Bombers. Okay, why 250 00:10:32.639 --> 00:10:35.240 did we run Ary Moore and Zach Clariss's hand and 251 00:10:35.279 --> 00:10:37.159 all that, Andy, what did you make of this? And 252 00:10:37.159 --> 00:10:40.679 they're kind of having because real time, like and there 253 00:10:40.720 --> 00:10:43.480 was even some kind of question in the in the 254 00:10:43.559 --> 00:10:45.840 in the reporters room, like, well, was this a good 255 00:10:45.840 --> 00:10:46.320 great Cup? 256 00:10:46.600 --> 00:10:48.159 I thought this was a classic great Cup. 257 00:10:48.200 --> 00:10:49.840 I don't know if it holds on a rewatch, but 258 00:10:49.879 --> 00:10:52.159 I think going in and knowing and all the pressures 259 00:10:52.200 --> 00:10:56.559 on Winnipeg and Toronto's coming in and really tremendous for me, Andy, 260 00:10:56.600 --> 00:10:57.919 what did you make and the game. 261 00:10:57.840 --> 00:10:59.440 And then kind of the initial thesis and we can 262 00:10:59.480 --> 00:11:00.000 break down. 263 00:10:59.840 --> 00:11:02.679 More well, I mean that's the thing. 264 00:11:02.879 --> 00:11:04.720 You can look at the box score and just say, well, 265 00:11:04.759 --> 00:11:06.720 this doesn't seem like it was very close up a match. 266 00:11:07.000 --> 00:11:08.960 For all of us who were sitting there, we very 267 00:11:09.039 --> 00:11:11.399 much felt the tension from the get go and felt 268 00:11:11.399 --> 00:11:14.960 it really until they were about six minutes or four 269 00:11:15.000 --> 00:11:17.559 minutes left in the fourth quarter that it dissipated because 270 00:11:17.559 --> 00:11:20.600 of that pick six at the end or near the end. 271 00:11:20.639 --> 00:11:23.240 But you see the thing is is that that tension 272 00:11:23.360 --> 00:11:26.639 was there the entire time because you just didn't. 273 00:11:26.480 --> 00:11:28.039 Know what was going to happen with the argos. You 274 00:11:28.039 --> 00:11:29.440 didn't know if they're going to be able to perform 275 00:11:29.440 --> 00:11:29.960 on offense. 276 00:11:30.000 --> 00:11:33.399 You didn't know if was Winnipeg finally going to complete 277 00:11:33.679 --> 00:11:38.440 the dynasty, and they demonstratively did not. And I know 278 00:11:39.000 --> 00:11:41.320 there are people out there who will make the argument 279 00:11:41.360 --> 00:11:44.039 that it is still a dynasty because they've made five 280 00:11:44.080 --> 00:11:48.720 straight Great Cups. But listen, the rule is this, you 281 00:11:48.799 --> 00:11:51.879 are not getting a dynasty because you participate. You're getting 282 00:11:51.879 --> 00:11:55.000 a dynasty because you win. You won two out of five, 283 00:11:55.720 --> 00:11:57.840 and the general rule is that you win three or 284 00:11:57.879 --> 00:12:00.919 four in a certain span of time, five seven years, 285 00:12:00.960 --> 00:12:03.279 whatever you combination you wish, but there has to be 286 00:12:03.320 --> 00:12:04.759 a certain set of time with a certain set of 287 00:12:04.759 --> 00:12:08.039 players that make that qualified. I'm sorry to Milt Stegel, 288 00:12:08.120 --> 00:12:11.600 he was very demonstrative on the show afterwards on TSN 289 00:12:11.639 --> 00:12:14.000 and said that it was a dynasty. I disagree with him, 290 00:12:14.000 --> 00:12:15.799 and I think many other people would just based on 291 00:12:15.840 --> 00:12:19.840 how it was. And yes, while you could make an 292 00:12:19.919 --> 00:12:21.799 argument that it was been a pig falling flat and 293 00:12:21.799 --> 00:12:24.600 there are a lot of many shortcomings they have, Toronto 294 00:12:24.639 --> 00:12:26.440 just came out and won the game. They had an 295 00:12:26.639 --> 00:12:30.720 excellent game plan. Ryan didwin. He is one of, if 296 00:12:30.720 --> 00:12:33.360 not the best coast from this league. He has done 297 00:12:33.440 --> 00:12:36.320 nothing but be successful since he took over this Toronto regime. 298 00:12:36.399 --> 00:12:40.440 He has won with multiple different quarterbacks. He has taken 299 00:12:40.440 --> 00:12:42.960 a roster that got gutted in the offseason. I know 300 00:12:43.000 --> 00:12:45.879 they were able to replenish some of that roster talent, 301 00:12:45.919 --> 00:12:47.559 but still it would remain to be seen what they 302 00:12:47.600 --> 00:12:50.039 would do with it. And he has just come up 303 00:12:50.159 --> 00:12:52.960 roses every single time. He has gone to four straight 304 00:12:53.159 --> 00:12:55.399 Eastern Finals. He's won two out of the three years 305 00:12:55.399 --> 00:12:58.120 in the Great Cup. I mean, in any case, Toronto 306 00:12:58.200 --> 00:13:00.399 is the one that's gonna start possibly making a scene. 307 00:13:00.480 --> 00:13:04.159 It was the biggest irony to me personally was seeing 308 00:13:04.200 --> 00:13:06.559 that guy with that sign. As we were coming out 309 00:13:06.559 --> 00:13:08.639 of halftime, they showed it on the JumboTron, that guy 310 00:13:08.639 --> 00:13:10.519 that's had the sign that said a dynasty will be 311 00:13:10.559 --> 00:13:13.399 born in thirty minutes. And I'm sitting there being like, 312 00:13:13.399 --> 00:13:15.000 I hope that doesn't come back to bite them. And 313 00:13:15.000 --> 00:13:16.720 now I'm almost sitting there being like, is that a 314 00:13:16.720 --> 00:13:19.360 prophecy for the other team? Because that was a Winnipeg 315 00:13:19.399 --> 00:13:21.960 fan that was holding that sign. Now I'm starting to 316 00:13:22.000 --> 00:13:24.720 think could Toronto potentially be making a run here in 317 00:13:24.759 --> 00:13:26.799 the next few years And They've shown that it does 318 00:13:26.840 --> 00:13:28.879 not matter what assets they have, it does not matter 319 00:13:28.919 --> 00:13:31.600 what injuries they sustain, it does not matter what controversy 320 00:13:31.600 --> 00:13:34.960 did they go through. They have been successful this entire 321 00:13:35.000 --> 00:13:36.960 time under the Dinwidgier regime, and that, to me is 322 00:13:36.960 --> 00:13:37.919 what stuck out the most. 323 00:13:38.759 --> 00:13:41.120 Let me leave probably Jason here just talking on that, 324 00:13:41.159 --> 00:13:43.240 and obviously as a Bills fan and you know plenty 325 00:13:43.240 --> 00:13:44.840 and not to rub but you know, you know plenty 326 00:13:44.879 --> 00:13:46.840 of you know, making it to the super Bowl and 327 00:13:46.919 --> 00:13:50.039 participated and not curious how that relates to your thoughts 328 00:13:50.080 --> 00:13:51.919 and then thoughts in the game because I was fortunate 329 00:13:51.919 --> 00:13:53.559 augh there was I was able to sneak up and 330 00:13:53.559 --> 00:13:55.879 get a seat. They just happened to be And I 331 00:13:55.879 --> 00:13:58.080 can tell about Garth later next to Garth my man. 332 00:13:58.120 --> 00:14:00.000 I sat next to you, next to me from Saskatchewan. 333 00:14:00.080 --> 00:14:01.919 But I was able to you know, we were with 334 00:14:01.960 --> 00:14:04.679 you two during the game. So curious your thoughts on 335 00:14:04.720 --> 00:14:06.320 that and as relate it's to kind of the dynasty 336 00:14:06.360 --> 00:14:06.879 talk as well. 337 00:14:07.879 --> 00:14:08.080 Well. 338 00:14:08.120 --> 00:14:11.240 I think there's something to be said about getting to 339 00:14:11.399 --> 00:14:14.919 the championship game in any respective sport. I've always considered 340 00:14:14.919 --> 00:14:18.320 that you know better than losing. Like before, that, you know, 341 00:14:18.679 --> 00:14:20.879 I think there's something to be said for that. But 342 00:14:20.919 --> 00:14:23.039 at the same time, you can't call this the dynasty 343 00:14:23.200 --> 00:14:26.879 just because what Andy said, winning three championships in a 344 00:14:26.879 --> 00:14:29.519 certain span of time, that's really what the definition is. 345 00:14:29.799 --> 00:14:32.279 And ultimately they have not been able to, you know, 346 00:14:32.399 --> 00:14:35.759 close you know, that third championship, and they've had three 347 00:14:35.879 --> 00:14:39.879 cracks at it. They've arguably been arguably been the like 348 00:14:40.000 --> 00:14:42.759 heavy favorite in every single breakup that they've been in, 349 00:14:43.480 --> 00:14:46.679 and ultimately they've been very disappointing in a lot of 350 00:14:46.679 --> 00:14:49.879 these games. Zach Claire is continuing to struggling. Great cups 351 00:14:49.879 --> 00:14:53.159 obviously suffered the injury in the second half of this one, 352 00:14:53.240 --> 00:14:55.399 and we'll get to it, but I don't think, like, 353 00:14:55.519 --> 00:14:57.559 given the extent of the injury and what we knew 354 00:14:57.600 --> 00:14:59.840 after the fact that he should have been put back 355 00:14:59.840 --> 00:15:01.200 in to the game. I think they should have just 356 00:15:01.279 --> 00:15:03.360 rolled with the backup, just given the fact that he 357 00:15:03.360 --> 00:15:06.200 couldn't really grip and throw a football. So, you know, 358 00:15:06.279 --> 00:15:09.360 ultimately it's very disappointing for Winnipeg. I don't consider them 359 00:15:09.399 --> 00:15:11.960 a dynasty right now. I mean, they could still if 360 00:15:12.000 --> 00:15:14.200 they win next year, they get to sixth straight, they 361 00:15:14.240 --> 00:15:16.480 win three out of six, I would still consider them 362 00:15:16.480 --> 00:15:20.440 a dynasty. But ultimately it's going to be very interesting 363 00:15:20.480 --> 00:15:23.120 to see going into next year in a hosting Great 364 00:15:23.159 --> 00:15:25.200 Cup year, if they can get back there. 365 00:15:26.279 --> 00:15:28.799 Well, I want to circle back to the Clara stuff 366 00:15:28.799 --> 00:15:30.440 because I've been kind of reading this week and I 367 00:15:30.480 --> 00:15:32.559 haven't had just trying to get back in this wee 368 00:15:32.600 --> 00:15:33.360 a deep dive on that. 369 00:15:33.440 --> 00:15:35.600 I was reading about the pets, Suspenser and all that stuff. 370 00:15:35.600 --> 00:15:38.879 But Evan to you, we were talking in the group 371 00:15:38.960 --> 00:15:42.559 chat about like in almost now with Toronto, it almost 372 00:15:42.600 --> 00:15:45.519 takes away from Winnipeg's wins or they were only able 373 00:15:45.559 --> 00:15:48.679 to win against Hamilton's or like retroactively now this has 374 00:15:48.799 --> 00:15:50.639 changed kind of any of the thoughts of the games 375 00:15:50.639 --> 00:15:51.600 that Winnipeg had won. 376 00:15:52.960 --> 00:15:56.240 Yes and no, I mean I think you know Winnipeg again, 377 00:15:56.320 --> 00:15:59.399 it was a very interesting situation because they won in 378 00:15:59.440 --> 00:16:03.279 twenty ninth team against Hamilton in very commanding fashion, and 379 00:16:03.320 --> 00:16:05.440 then you had a COVID year and they came back 380 00:16:05.480 --> 00:16:07.759 out and won and again. So I think it's really 381 00:16:07.840 --> 00:16:10.840 impressive that a season was canceled and they were still 382 00:16:10.879 --> 00:16:12.399 able to come back and win the whole thing. 383 00:16:12.440 --> 00:16:14.000 And look, I understand the. 384 00:16:13.919 --> 00:16:16.279 Twenty twenty one season was shortened due to COVID and 385 00:16:16.320 --> 00:16:18.799 it was later in the year, and you know, there 386 00:16:18.799 --> 00:16:21.159 were some variables there that we might not see again. 387 00:16:21.279 --> 00:16:24.759 But with Toronto, it's almost more. 388 00:16:24.559 --> 00:16:27.559 Impressive these past two wins that they've had against Winnipeg. 389 00:16:27.600 --> 00:16:30.440 And yes, I understand they're against the same team and 390 00:16:30.480 --> 00:16:32.799 that's kind of you know, maybe the argument that we're discussing, 391 00:16:32.840 --> 00:16:37.039 but if you look at you know, the Argonauts team 392 00:16:37.080 --> 00:16:40.080 in twenty twenty two that won it. You know, the 393 00:16:40.200 --> 00:16:42.559 MVP of that game was Hannack Mwamba. You know who's 394 00:16:42.559 --> 00:16:46.080 now panelists on TSN. You know, McLeod Bethel Thompson was 395 00:16:46.120 --> 00:16:48.600 the quarterback who went to the USFL and then went 396 00:16:48.600 --> 00:16:50.600 back to the CFL this year with a different team. 397 00:16:50.759 --> 00:16:53.799 But you know, and it was in that Great Cup 398 00:16:53.840 --> 00:16:58.639 that Chad Kelly played really for the first time and emerged, 399 00:16:59.360 --> 00:17:01.360 you know, and then went on and had the sixteen 400 00:17:01.440 --> 00:17:05.160 and two season, and obviously this year with his suspension, 401 00:17:05.160 --> 00:17:06.880 we didn't get to see him as much, and then 402 00:17:07.079 --> 00:17:09.880 the unfortunate injury that led to Nick Arbuck was starting 403 00:17:09.880 --> 00:17:12.519 in the Gray Cup. But it's incredible, you know, they've 404 00:17:12.559 --> 00:17:18.160 had now four different maybe even five different quarterbacks you know, 405 00:17:18.240 --> 00:17:21.279 over this time span between twenty twenty two and twenty 406 00:17:21.319 --> 00:17:24.720 twenty four, you know, and they still got the job done. 407 00:17:24.720 --> 00:17:28.000 It hasn't mattered to them. Again from it starts at 408 00:17:28.000 --> 00:17:31.480 the top, you know, with management and personnel to construct 409 00:17:31.519 --> 00:17:36.000 the roster. And then Andy's already talked about Ryan Didwiddie, who, yeah, 410 00:17:36.039 --> 00:17:38.359 I really think deserves some credit, you know for what 411 00:17:38.440 --> 00:17:43.319 he's done. And again I understand, you know, Coach of 412 00:17:43.359 --> 00:17:45.559 the Year Jason Moss being the pick out of the East, 413 00:17:45.680 --> 00:17:48.759 Like I get it, you know, And not to take 414 00:17:48.799 --> 00:17:51.319 away from what Jason Moss did either or Corey Mace 415 00:17:51.440 --> 00:17:54.359 or any of those candidates, but what Ryan Dinwood he 416 00:17:54.400 --> 00:17:56.200 has done with that team is incredible. It has not 417 00:17:56.240 --> 00:17:58.319 been an easy journey for him. And I remember before 418 00:17:58.680 --> 00:18:00.880 the game started he mentioned he said, well, we've earned 419 00:18:00.920 --> 00:18:02.680 the right to be here, you know, we deserve this 420 00:18:02.839 --> 00:18:05.119 and and we think we can go out there and compete, 421 00:18:05.119 --> 00:18:06.119 and sure enough they did. 422 00:18:06.680 --> 00:18:06.759 So. 423 00:18:06.839 --> 00:18:07.799 Yeah, now you kind of. 424 00:18:07.839 --> 00:18:12.640 Enter a new conversation where, uh, you know, Winnipeg's dynasty. 425 00:18:13.279 --> 00:18:15.720 I'm not going to say that it's closed yet. Again, 426 00:18:16.279 --> 00:18:18.480 you're hosting the Great Cup in Winnipeg next year, so 427 00:18:18.519 --> 00:18:20.559 maybe they make a push. We'll get into all that later. 428 00:18:20.920 --> 00:18:24.480 But Toronto having won two out of the past three 429 00:18:24.640 --> 00:18:27.559 with very different circumstances, i'd say in each of the 430 00:18:27.640 --> 00:18:31.279 games is extremely impressive and hopefully they can keep that up. 431 00:18:32.119 --> 00:18:34.079 So any I think there's and I'm kind of pulled 432 00:18:34.079 --> 00:18:37.279 at the stats here just because obviously we were at 433 00:18:37.279 --> 00:18:40.279 the game, which Mike normally I gotta go back and 434 00:18:40.279 --> 00:18:43.279 do this like refresher chorus before the stream. But I 435 00:18:43.319 --> 00:18:45.079 think there's a couple of different questions to tire right 436 00:18:45.119 --> 00:18:47.000 here at one and I know Evan will have thoughts 437 00:18:47.079 --> 00:18:50.119 lay that. You know, our buckles performance right I think 438 00:18:50.119 --> 00:18:52.640 Evan and coined them heart attack passes, many of them 439 00:18:52.720 --> 00:18:55.079 during the game that were very close to being picked 440 00:18:55.160 --> 00:18:59.240 or intercepted. You have claras right now X member of 441 00:18:59.359 --> 00:19:03.319 Great Cups with multiple turnovers, no touchdown passes, all that stuff, 442 00:19:03.480 --> 00:19:05.519 and then the lack of OLIVERA. I know that was 443 00:19:05.599 --> 00:19:07.880 kind of the touching point when we got back to 444 00:19:07.960 --> 00:19:09.759 the suite, was you know, how do you have the. 445 00:19:09.839 --> 00:19:10.680 Mop like that? 446 00:19:11.160 --> 00:19:14.039 You know only have eleven carries eighty four rushes. Obviously, 447 00:19:14.079 --> 00:19:15.559 you know, once the game gets out of hand and 448 00:19:15.599 --> 00:19:18.599 we're throwing and that exacerbated of the number of interceptions 449 00:19:18.599 --> 00:19:20.680 that Clara's throw. Where do you want to start Andy 450 00:19:20.759 --> 00:19:23.039 kind of with any of those storylines. Obviously there's a 451 00:19:23.079 --> 00:19:24.880 million other ones if you have anything else as. 452 00:19:24.799 --> 00:19:26.240 Well, but those are kind of the three that stuck 453 00:19:26.279 --> 00:19:27.279 out to me, the easy ones. 454 00:19:28.759 --> 00:19:31.480 I never thought I'd be going into this game thinking, boy, 455 00:19:31.759 --> 00:19:33.920 I think Winnipeg's going to miss Drew Brown. But you 456 00:19:33.960 --> 00:19:36.119 know what, that's kind of the case here, because let's 457 00:19:36.119 --> 00:19:38.680 look at the facts here. Terry Wilson came into this 458 00:19:38.759 --> 00:19:41.319 game when Zach was out, when he got taken to 459 00:19:41.359 --> 00:19:44.160 the locker room and apparently his finger just split open. 460 00:19:44.160 --> 00:19:45.519 I mean, some of the reports on that will make 461 00:19:45.559 --> 00:19:48.960 me nauseous just think about it. But Terry Wilson comes 462 00:19:49.000 --> 00:19:51.160 in and he almost throws a pick to Benji Franklin, 463 00:19:51.160 --> 00:19:53.480 which would have been his second of the game, into 464 00:19:53.519 --> 00:19:53.960 the end zone. 465 00:19:54.000 --> 00:19:55.680 He absolutely had it right in his mits. 466 00:19:55.599 --> 00:19:57.599 And yeah, I was amazing, And it was right in 467 00:19:57.680 --> 00:19:59.039 front of us where we were, I think all of 468 00:19:59.079 --> 00:20:00.759 us because Jason was on on that side too. 469 00:20:01.640 --> 00:20:04.440 It was and so you know, Terry Wilson's not throwing 470 00:20:04.440 --> 00:20:07.160 the ball very well. So you're thinking, as an officer coordinator, 471 00:20:07.240 --> 00:20:08.720 Buck Pierce, well, I don't know if I can put 472 00:20:08.759 --> 00:20:10.680 him back in, but Zach clearly can't throw the ball. 473 00:20:10.720 --> 00:20:13.200 And Zach had kind of admitted to such afterwards, like 474 00:20:13.200 --> 00:20:15.480 he really struggled and you saw it immediately he throws 475 00:20:15.759 --> 00:20:18.559 that pick right off the Baudery. I think it was 476 00:20:18.599 --> 00:20:22.319 to I think it was to Amos Sean Amos maybe 477 00:20:22.359 --> 00:20:26.160 and then he I mean, he just struggled mightily and 478 00:20:26.240 --> 00:20:28.680 it just started to unravel very quickly. 479 00:20:28.960 --> 00:20:30.319 To the point about Brady oliver Era. 480 00:20:30.400 --> 00:20:32.720 I mean, the thing that I just didn't really understand 481 00:20:32.759 --> 00:20:35.039 is why they were so adamant about throwing on first down, 482 00:20:35.079 --> 00:20:37.599 and especially after Zach came back from injury. 483 00:20:37.359 --> 00:20:38.400 They continue to do so. 484 00:20:38.759 --> 00:20:40.799 I think they absolutely had an opportunity to continue, at 485 00:20:40.880 --> 00:20:44.039 least trying to work Brady Olivera into the lineup. He 486 00:20:44.079 --> 00:20:46.079 probably could have had a few more rushes and maybe, 487 00:20:46.240 --> 00:20:48.599 you know, maybe there were tendencies that perhaps Toronto was 488 00:20:48.680 --> 00:20:51.519 keenan on of him running and maybe it was maybe 489 00:20:51.759 --> 00:20:54.119 just in the formation it didn't set up to be so, 490 00:20:54.279 --> 00:20:55.960 but you would have thought that he would have been 491 00:20:55.960 --> 00:20:57.960 a little bit more involved, just considering what was going 492 00:20:57.960 --> 00:21:00.759 on around him, especially from the passing game standpoint, So 493 00:21:01.559 --> 00:21:04.000 that to me just kind of surprised me. And I 494 00:21:04.000 --> 00:21:05.200 know there were a lot of people, a lot of 495 00:21:05.200 --> 00:21:07.640 Winnipeg fans that were a bit upset with Buck Peterson's 496 00:21:07.640 --> 00:21:10.599 play calling afterwards, but just kind of the management of 497 00:21:10.640 --> 00:21:12.960 the injury with Zach Kolaros, I think really threw a 498 00:21:13.000 --> 00:21:16.240 wrench in the plans. And once apparently I read somewhere 499 00:21:16.279 --> 00:21:19.160 where apparently went did what he found When they saw 500 00:21:19.240 --> 00:21:21.359 that Colaros was warming up and they saw how he 501 00:21:21.440 --> 00:21:22.839 was throwing, they thought we got this. 502 00:21:22.920 --> 00:21:23.920 And I have that kind of. 503 00:21:23.920 --> 00:21:25.839 Confidence as a team when you see the other teams 504 00:21:27.079 --> 00:21:29.240 that one of their best assets being hurt, I think 505 00:21:29.960 --> 00:21:30.720 really was telling. 506 00:21:30.799 --> 00:21:32.119 Especially in that fourth quarter. 507 00:21:32.839 --> 00:21:34.880 Well, it was wild because we were sitting there on 508 00:21:34.880 --> 00:21:36.759 that side and I you know, I saw Clara, So 509 00:21:36.839 --> 00:21:39.039 I just happened to look down and saw Claris run now, 510 00:21:39.039 --> 00:21:41.240 and I'm like, well, he's either like obviously he's not 511 00:21:41.359 --> 00:21:43.000 limping off the field, so he's either got to go 512 00:21:43.039 --> 00:21:44.480 make a bathroom break or like something. 513 00:21:44.559 --> 00:21:45.960 So we just really was sure. 514 00:21:45.960 --> 00:21:48.519 And I think it was Anthony Miller in the group 515 00:21:48.599 --> 00:21:51.039 chat obviously watching on TV back in the States of like, 516 00:21:51.119 --> 00:21:53.599 oh well here, you know, like and it was kind 517 00:21:53.599 --> 00:21:55.519 of nice for all the people on our section because 518 00:21:55.519 --> 00:21:57.559 we kind of get the insights we didn't you know, 519 00:21:57.559 --> 00:21:59.359 we not get in the game broadcast. 520 00:21:59.000 --> 00:22:01.559 And all that stuff. Jason, were you surprised with that? 521 00:22:01.680 --> 00:22:02.640 And like here? 522 00:22:02.680 --> 00:22:05.400 You know, I mean, Michael shay Is is revered as 523 00:22:05.400 --> 00:22:07.480 a coach of anyone in the league, right, and I 524 00:22:07.519 --> 00:22:09.720 know that all the media and everyone speaks really highly 525 00:22:09.720 --> 00:22:11.960 of him and obviously a great guy. 526 00:22:12.000 --> 00:22:12.799 On and off the field. 527 00:22:12.839 --> 00:22:15.599 But you know, they have multiple games now be out 528 00:22:15.599 --> 00:22:18.799 coached by Dinwidy and then kind of seeing his reluctance 529 00:22:18.839 --> 00:22:20.359 to kind of do anything else when the game was 530 00:22:20.400 --> 00:22:21.039 getting out of him. 531 00:22:21.079 --> 00:22:22.519 What did you make of that, Jason? 532 00:22:23.559 --> 00:22:25.680 Yeah, I mean I think I said this on the 533 00:22:26.000 --> 00:22:29.640 on the pregame show that I think Ryan Dinwiddie may 534 00:22:29.680 --> 00:22:31.720 be the best coach in the CFL. I think he 535 00:22:31.839 --> 00:22:34.799 may have taken that title from Mike O'Shea. I mean 536 00:22:34.839 --> 00:22:38.160 even before the game during the pregame show, like I 537 00:22:38.200 --> 00:22:40.960 was saying, I thought that, you know, Dinwiddy had a 538 00:22:41.000 --> 00:22:44.000 case and I think with winning this game being too 539 00:22:44.440 --> 00:22:46.799 against him in great Cups, like you were saying, I 540 00:22:46.839 --> 00:22:48.920 think you have to give him that title at this point, 541 00:22:49.039 --> 00:22:51.279 and just the game plan that he had for Nick 542 00:22:51.400 --> 00:22:54.400 Arbuckle win this one. Nick Arbuckle, I mean, he made 543 00:22:54.400 --> 00:22:56.400 his mistakes and this one had the two picks. I 544 00:22:56.440 --> 00:22:59.079 think he had a couple of dropped interceptions that you 545 00:22:59.119 --> 00:23:02.519 alluded to, but ultimately they did a good job of 546 00:23:02.759 --> 00:23:05.920 making stuff pretty easy for him. I think they had 547 00:23:05.920 --> 00:23:08.960 some screen passes that you know, you know, the Kevin 548 00:23:09.000 --> 00:23:12.200 Mattal touchdown that was a good little swing pass, get 549 00:23:12.200 --> 00:23:14.440 the ball out of his hands quickly. Arbuckle still had 550 00:23:14.480 --> 00:23:16.640 to make some plays and that's why he was named 551 00:23:16.920 --> 00:23:20.000 MVP of this game. But ultimately they did a good 552 00:23:20.079 --> 00:23:22.400 job of you know, setting up those screen passes and 553 00:23:22.799 --> 00:23:25.519 really involving the running backs and making it easier on them. 554 00:23:25.519 --> 00:23:27.839 And I think ultimately, at the end of the day, 555 00:23:28.279 --> 00:23:30.759 that's a big reason why Toronto was able to have 556 00:23:30.839 --> 00:23:33.880 success and ultimately win this game and go three and 557 00:23:33.960 --> 00:23:35.519 oh against Winnipeg on the season. 558 00:23:36.279 --> 00:23:39.519 Yeah, it's you know, our Buckle got the MVP and 559 00:23:39.519 --> 00:23:41.920 we can talk about that like little trophy kind of 560 00:23:41.960 --> 00:23:44.400 thing like that his daughter was holding. It felt like 561 00:23:44.440 --> 00:23:45.799 it was almost like a toy. 562 00:23:45.680 --> 00:23:49.960 For her, but there wasn't really a standout, right Evan. 563 00:23:50.039 --> 00:23:50.680 Was that your take? 564 00:23:50.759 --> 00:23:52.000 I mean it felt like it was a It was 565 00:23:52.039 --> 00:23:53.400 not in a bad way, but it was more of 566 00:23:53.440 --> 00:23:55.920 a group effort from Toronto there. I mean, obviously Knicks 567 00:23:55.960 --> 00:23:57.319 to quarterback. Why did you make of that? 568 00:23:57.880 --> 00:23:59.720 Yeah, well, look, I think the best player in the 569 00:23:59.759 --> 00:24:02.240 skate was Willie Jefferson. And I've probably said it on 570 00:24:02.279 --> 00:24:05.000 the show before at some point, you know, back when 571 00:24:05.000 --> 00:24:08.599 we were doing this regularly. But you know, Willie Jefferson, man, 572 00:24:08.640 --> 00:24:10.680 I mean, he's one of my favorite players in the league. 573 00:24:10.720 --> 00:24:12.279 And watching him in that game, you know, the way 574 00:24:12.319 --> 00:24:16.039 that he was able to essentially take over on defense. 575 00:24:16.079 --> 00:24:18.200 You know, I still feel like Winnipeg's defense put up 576 00:24:18.359 --> 00:24:21.200 a pretty good effort there obviously through three and a 577 00:24:21.240 --> 00:24:23.960 half quarters, but he, you know, really excelled and I 578 00:24:24.000 --> 00:24:26.519 almost would have given him the award in that game anyways, 579 00:24:26.559 --> 00:24:30.880 regardless of who won, you know. Yeah, for like, if 580 00:24:30.920 --> 00:24:34.359 I had to pick MVP, you know, the guy that 581 00:24:34.400 --> 00:24:37.079 I think makes the most sense would probably be winning McManus, 582 00:24:37.759 --> 00:24:40.000 you know, you have. I was telling Andy, I think 583 00:24:40.079 --> 00:24:43.119 during the game, if there was like a playoff MVP 584 00:24:43.440 --> 00:24:45.119 just for somebody who had had a good run in 585 00:24:45.160 --> 00:24:47.599 the playoffs, it would have been Benji Franklin with his 586 00:24:47.680 --> 00:24:50.559 interceptions and you know, he made so many critical plays 587 00:24:50.559 --> 00:24:53.160 at critical times. I think that's a guy you know 588 00:24:53.160 --> 00:24:55.240 who really kind of I don't want to say came 589 00:24:55.240 --> 00:24:56.920 out of nowhere, you know, because I knew who he 590 00:24:57.079 --> 00:24:59.519 was before he signed and before he started gaining some 591 00:24:59.559 --> 00:25:02.480 traction there. But uh, you know, really again came up 592 00:25:02.480 --> 00:25:05.400 big when it mattered. So yeah, look, man, I you know, 593 00:25:05.400 --> 00:25:09.440 in terms of the game overall, I'll start with Winnipeg side. 594 00:25:09.480 --> 00:25:12.160 You know, I think, yes, some of the play calling 595 00:25:12.240 --> 00:25:15.400 you know, could have been better, you know, And then 596 00:25:15.880 --> 00:25:18.599 I don't know, it didn't look very good in the 597 00:25:18.599 --> 00:25:22.079 first half, Like it wasn't bad, but then the Cholaros 598 00:25:22.119 --> 00:25:24.200 injury was just where you kind of knew that things 599 00:25:24.240 --> 00:25:25.400 were probably. 600 00:25:26.480 --> 00:25:28.880 Were probably done. I you know, I still gave him 601 00:25:28.880 --> 00:25:29.240 a chance. 602 00:25:29.279 --> 00:25:31.240 Like again, we didn't know the severity of the injury 603 00:25:31.319 --> 00:25:33.920 sitting there, but uh, I remember when he came back 604 00:25:33.920 --> 00:25:35.759 onto the field and it took me a minute to notice, 605 00:25:35.759 --> 00:25:38.559 but he had an entire glove on his throwing hand, 606 00:25:38.880 --> 00:25:41.640 and I thought, oh boy, you know, that's uh that 607 00:25:41.680 --> 00:25:44.039 would suggest to me that his injury is pretty serious. 608 00:25:44.039 --> 00:25:46.119 And of course, as we found out after the game, 609 00:25:47.680 --> 00:25:49.240 you know the way Zach said it, in the way 610 00:25:49.279 --> 00:25:51.319 a couple other people said it. I mean, you know, 611 00:25:51.359 --> 00:25:54.839 the fact that somebody's finger looks like a pez dispenser 612 00:25:54.960 --> 00:25:58.480 is extremely alarming. And you know, maybe, Yeed, you should 613 00:25:58.480 --> 00:26:00.839 have kept Terry Wilson in. It's a differ decision though, 614 00:26:00.880 --> 00:26:04.799 right I think, you know, I almost wonder Andy had 615 00:26:04.839 --> 00:26:07.640 mentioned Drew Brown, but like, if Chris Streveler was healthy, 616 00:26:07.920 --> 00:26:09.480 you know, what could he have done in that game? 617 00:26:09.519 --> 00:26:11.880 Because I remember, I think it was Winnipeg's first Grade 618 00:26:11.920 --> 00:26:14.400 Cup run in twenty nineteen, which is when I first 619 00:26:14.480 --> 00:26:16.599 kind of started following the league. He was a really 620 00:26:16.759 --> 00:26:18.960 key contributor there and he you know, they almost had 621 00:26:18.960 --> 00:26:21.440 a two quarterback system where he was able to come 622 00:26:21.440 --> 00:26:24.079 in and really give the offense a boost when needed, 623 00:26:24.079 --> 00:26:26.480 and you know, maybe that would take away from some 624 00:26:26.559 --> 00:26:29.400 of the play calls that weren't so good. So for Winnipeg, 625 00:26:29.480 --> 00:26:31.799 it's just unfortunate. I think, you know, look, if Claros 626 00:26:31.839 --> 00:26:34.559 doesn't get hurt, he wasn't playing well before that, but 627 00:26:34.880 --> 00:26:36.599 they still might have had a chance you know, to 628 00:26:36.680 --> 00:26:40.000 turn it around. I went back today just randomly and 629 00:26:40.039 --> 00:26:43.759 watched the twenty twenty one West Final where Blue Bombers 630 00:26:43.799 --> 00:26:45.960 turned it over five times but still won the game 631 00:26:46.039 --> 00:26:49.519 because at the end Winnipeg went up twenty one to 632 00:26:49.559 --> 00:26:52.119 seventeen on a touchdown and then got a defensive stop. 633 00:26:52.200 --> 00:26:54.240 So you know, maybe in a different world that would 634 00:26:54.240 --> 00:26:57.799 have been the case. As for Toronto, yeah, just again, 635 00:26:57.920 --> 00:27:01.839 incredible game plan by Ryan, didn't witty setting nick arbuckle 636 00:27:01.920 --> 00:27:04.880 up for success. Look our buckle, you know during that game, 637 00:27:05.160 --> 00:27:07.279 you know, was he perfect? No, and I didn't expect 638 00:27:07.359 --> 00:27:09.200 him to be. I think one of the keys to 639 00:27:09.240 --> 00:27:11.880 that game for many people going in was, you know, 640 00:27:11.920 --> 00:27:14.200 you can't put this all on our buckles shoulders. 641 00:27:14.240 --> 00:27:15.000 You really have to. 642 00:27:15.559 --> 00:27:17.920 Other people are gonna have to step up, and they did, 643 00:27:18.640 --> 00:27:20.880 you know, especially on defense. Again, I think that was 644 00:27:20.920 --> 00:27:24.240 the story was Toronto's defense, like our buckle kind of 645 00:27:24.279 --> 00:27:26.000 got them to where they needed to be. He got 646 00:27:26.039 --> 00:27:28.279 them in a position to win the game. But then 647 00:27:28.440 --> 00:27:32.000 Toronto's defense really took over and well, you know, they 648 00:27:32.039 --> 00:27:34.880 also took advantage of close as injured hand and kind 649 00:27:34.920 --> 00:27:37.319 of said, you know, we've got this from here and 650 00:27:37.519 --> 00:27:39.599 rode that game out in the final five minutes. So look, 651 00:27:39.640 --> 00:27:44.720 it was a very impressive performance by them. Unfortunate in 652 00:27:44.759 --> 00:27:47.160 the sense that I think some people who didn't watch 653 00:27:47.200 --> 00:27:49.319 the game will look at the score and think, well, 654 00:27:49.359 --> 00:27:52.200 that was you know, maybe a waste of time. But 655 00:27:52.319 --> 00:27:54.680 in reality, no, like if you watched it that game, 656 00:27:55.240 --> 00:27:57.440 you know, going into the fourth quarter, even with like 657 00:27:57.480 --> 00:27:59.559 seven minutes left, by no idea who was going to win. 658 00:28:00.160 --> 00:28:02.319 So it was a great game, and you know, well, 659 00:28:02.519 --> 00:28:04.400 well done to both teams. I know it's it's tough 660 00:28:04.400 --> 00:28:06.400 for Winnipeg and we'll you know, I'm sure we'll get 661 00:28:06.400 --> 00:28:09.279 into that more here is the show goes on, but 662 00:28:09.559 --> 00:28:12.039 you know, well done by both teams being there, and 663 00:28:12.279 --> 00:28:13.640 congratulations to Toronto. 664 00:28:14.200 --> 00:28:16.440 Yeah, it was because even Dorothy obviously had to fly 665 00:28:16.599 --> 00:28:20.160 back early for her uncle's memorial and she was, you know, 666 00:28:20.240 --> 00:28:22.599 tracking the game just on her phone and she texted me, wow, 667 00:28:22.640 --> 00:28:25.000 you know, the game seems really close and then obviously, 668 00:28:25.079 --> 00:28:28.599 you know, totally unravels there. I thought it was funny 669 00:28:28.599 --> 00:28:31.920 because I texted Paul Sanchez, you know, formally here whatever 670 00:28:31.960 --> 00:28:34.680 after the game, and I go, you know, Brian Scott's 671 00:28:34.680 --> 00:28:36.920 a great Cup champion, and Paul immediately texted me a 672 00:28:36.960 --> 00:28:38.839 selfie of him. He went and put on his Toronto 673 00:28:38.960 --> 00:28:41.359 Argos jersey that I think Josh had be mailed to 674 00:28:41.400 --> 00:28:43.319 him like three and a half years ago ago. Oh, 675 00:28:43.440 --> 00:28:45.440 it must be nice to kind of pull that can 676 00:28:45.680 --> 00:28:48.440 without getting to graphic. And someone explained to me the 677 00:28:48.480 --> 00:28:52.200 pez dispenser analogy. I don't understand that, Like how the finger. 678 00:28:52.160 --> 00:28:53.119 Jason, did you fall? 679 00:28:53.200 --> 00:28:56.720 Like we was it like, Oh, I didn't understand that metaphor. 680 00:28:57.839 --> 00:29:00.279 No, I didn't. I didn't get that metaphor. Or I 681 00:29:00.480 --> 00:29:02.160 just that's the first time I've heard it just on 682 00:29:02.200 --> 00:29:02.799 the show here. 683 00:29:03.319 --> 00:29:05.079 No, I saw that, I mean three down? Did the 684 00:29:05.119 --> 00:29:05.480 ride up? 685 00:29:05.480 --> 00:29:05.599 Then? 686 00:29:05.599 --> 00:29:07.519 It was it looked like a peasant spence, right, So, 687 00:29:07.720 --> 00:29:10.440 like was it because the peasants fence like opens or 688 00:29:10.519 --> 00:29:13.359 was it like the peasant spencer, like the head opens 689 00:29:13.400 --> 00:29:14.960 and like was the finger opened like that? 690 00:29:15.200 --> 00:29:15.440 Yeah? 691 00:29:15.480 --> 00:29:17.599 Well look that was maybe the tip of the finger. 692 00:29:17.720 --> 00:29:21.240 Yes, Pez dispenser typically opens up to where there's a 693 00:29:21.319 --> 00:29:23.640 bit at the bottom that's kind of hanging off, So 694 00:29:23.720 --> 00:29:26.039 I assume they meant that with Zach's finger was kind 695 00:29:26.079 --> 00:29:29.039 of uh, you know, okay, all right, I mean, look, 696 00:29:29.079 --> 00:29:30.880 I'm not the one who made the analogy. I'm just 697 00:29:30.920 --> 00:29:32.720 going off what's been thrown out there in. 698 00:29:32.680 --> 00:29:33.440 The media already. 699 00:29:33.480 --> 00:29:37.119 So that I was. 700 00:29:37.000 --> 00:29:38.720 Curious because I'm like trying to talk to you Doory 701 00:29:38.720 --> 00:29:41.480 about the way it sounded like it was really bad 702 00:29:42.599 --> 00:29:46.720 so Andy. I mean the fact that you know, Michael say, 703 00:29:46.720 --> 00:29:49.240 you'd see Clara's come back in. Okay, let's give it 704 00:29:49.279 --> 00:29:51.799 a shot, right comes in immediately what either sailed the 705 00:29:51.839 --> 00:29:52.880 pass right through the pick? 706 00:29:53.519 --> 00:29:53.839 Okay? 707 00:29:54.079 --> 00:29:56.359 Then we go back to that again, like obviously you 708 00:29:56.359 --> 00:29:58.359 know you got Terry Wilson. We've talked about that, but like, 709 00:29:59.359 --> 00:30:01.799 are you just at that point, I mean you go 710 00:30:01.880 --> 00:30:05.240 down your starting quarterback. I mean that's I guess you 711 00:30:05.319 --> 00:30:07.440 when you have that question like should we have kept 712 00:30:07.440 --> 00:30:09.680 the Drew Brown or had someone there that we felt comfortable, 713 00:30:09.759 --> 00:30:12.839 you know, throwing passes with something were to happen knowing 714 00:30:12.880 --> 00:30:16.319 the CFL and you know, especially where Zach isn't necessarily 715 00:30:16.359 --> 00:30:19.039 iron man. I mean, Zach misses games, miss games this season, 716 00:30:19.079 --> 00:30:20.000 miss games last year? 717 00:30:20.200 --> 00:30:21.279 What did you make it at y D? 718 00:30:22.799 --> 00:30:25.279 I think part of it was just unfortunate timing for them, 719 00:30:25.319 --> 00:30:28.279 because to go back a week before that, I mean, 720 00:30:28.400 --> 00:30:32.200 Zach Klearro's had a fantastic game against Saskatchewan and absolutely 721 00:30:32.480 --> 00:30:35.799 eviscerated their defense in a game that they just absolutely 722 00:30:35.839 --> 00:30:36.559 crude stopped them. 723 00:30:36.599 --> 00:30:39.039 And that's why the spread was as high as it was. 724 00:30:39.079 --> 00:30:40.880 It got started at ten, and I think it went 725 00:30:41.160 --> 00:30:43.759 that down to nine plus nine or minus nine or 726 00:30:43.759 --> 00:30:46.640 minus eight in some markets. But I mean, basically teams 727 00:30:46.640 --> 00:30:49.319 were saying, this is yours to lose, like you're heavily 728 00:30:49.319 --> 00:30:51.359 favored in this game, and part of that was because 729 00:30:51.359 --> 00:30:53.720 of how their offense was performing and how the team 730 00:30:53.759 --> 00:30:57.119 was performing up until that point. So while it's unfortunately 731 00:30:57.119 --> 00:31:00.440 the injury happened, I don't really necessarily blame Peg for 732 00:31:00.480 --> 00:31:03.200 not having someone immediately behind him. Because they lost Traveler 733 00:31:03.240 --> 00:31:05.960 obviously lost during the season Drew Brown. They were never 734 00:31:06.000 --> 00:31:08.160 going to pay enough money to keep him back, especially 735 00:31:08.200 --> 00:31:11.160 when he was basically garnering starter money, which he got 736 00:31:11.200 --> 00:31:14.039 in Ottawa. So it's hard to kind of say, well, 737 00:31:14.079 --> 00:31:16.359 I wish he had another quarterback behind him. I mean, 738 00:31:16.440 --> 00:31:20.160 I always am a proponent of developing people behind the quarterback, 739 00:31:20.200 --> 00:31:23.440 but sometimes circumstances just don't lead up to that. And again, 740 00:31:23.559 --> 00:31:25.839 I you know, maybe they were just happy enough of 741 00:31:25.880 --> 00:31:27.640 what Terry Wilson brought to the table that they were 742 00:31:27.680 --> 00:31:30.640 willing to see what happened. But again, you can't anticipate 743 00:31:30.640 --> 00:31:32.319 that your starting quarterback is going to go out, which 744 00:31:32.319 --> 00:31:35.279 again is why it's so incredible that our Buckle was 745 00:31:35.279 --> 00:31:38.160 able to do what he did, coming in for the 746 00:31:38.319 --> 00:31:41.279 likes of Chad Kelly in this big of a game, 747 00:31:41.319 --> 00:31:44.400 a guy that never started a playoff game. Ever, our 748 00:31:44.440 --> 00:31:46.079 Buckle's been in this league for a while, He's had 749 00:31:46.079 --> 00:31:48.559 a lot of games, he's never started a CFL playoff game, 750 00:31:48.680 --> 00:31:52.400 So more of a testament to didn't winning his staff. 751 00:31:52.440 --> 00:31:55.400 But for the Bombers, I mean, it just it was 752 00:31:55.480 --> 00:31:58.559 terrible luck. And as soon as he threw that pick 753 00:31:58.599 --> 00:32:01.680 to Robert Priester, who was running back, even before Robert 754 00:32:01.720 --> 00:32:03.599 even got in the end zone, I was yelling out, 755 00:32:03.640 --> 00:32:04.039 it's over. 756 00:32:04.160 --> 00:32:06.519 It's gone. Like that's it, The game was over. 757 00:32:06.920 --> 00:32:10.160 It was just such a finality point of that match 758 00:32:10.200 --> 00:32:12.799 and really just such a stamp on what the Argos 759 00:32:12.799 --> 00:32:13.400 had done. 760 00:32:14.119 --> 00:32:15.519 It's fine just pulled up. 761 00:32:15.680 --> 00:32:17.839 Brown was on a two hundred and eighty six thousand 762 00:32:17.839 --> 00:32:20.240 dollars contract with ottomis said to go up to three 763 00:32:20.279 --> 00:32:23.519 hundred and forty thousand and with it says like, should 764 00:32:23.519 --> 00:32:26.160 have done the BC route there? Should they get some 765 00:32:26.240 --> 00:32:30.920 marketing money in there and get Drew Brown under that Jason. So, 766 00:32:31.119 --> 00:32:33.160 you know, in the beginning of the game, obviously a 767 00:32:33.200 --> 00:32:35.880 lot was made of Toronto not going for the you know, 768 00:32:36.279 --> 00:32:38.519 settling for the field goal, not going for the touchdown, 769 00:32:38.519 --> 00:32:40.079 and we're thinking like, oh my god, like that's going 770 00:32:40.119 --> 00:32:41.839 to be the story of the game, right, like Toronto 771 00:32:41.880 --> 00:32:44.759 had to had whatever, and they lost the momentum lucky 772 00:32:44.799 --> 00:32:47.880 Whitehead and fumbling, and I think, you know, if Andy 773 00:32:47.920 --> 00:32:49.920 Murray wants to check the momentum eter, I think that 774 00:32:50.000 --> 00:32:51.160 swung it back the other way. 775 00:32:51.880 --> 00:32:52.119 You know. 776 00:32:52.720 --> 00:32:54.880 I guess having lived through the game and kind of 777 00:32:54.880 --> 00:32:56.680 things that you thought were going to be touched on 778 00:32:56.839 --> 00:32:58.880 where really it was just ended up being Zach Clariss's 779 00:32:58.920 --> 00:33:01.799 finger was falling off. You know, Winnipeg didn't have a 780 00:33:01.839 --> 00:33:04.119 backup plan for that. I thought of anything else in 781 00:33:04.200 --> 00:33:05.759 the game that way, of just the things that we 782 00:33:05.799 --> 00:33:07.279 thought were going to matter, and then they're kind of 783 00:33:07.279 --> 00:33:09.240 find their takeaways of that and then we can start 784 00:33:09.279 --> 00:33:11.039 looking towards kind of the future here. 785 00:33:12.119 --> 00:33:14.680 Yeah, I thought the biggest play of the game was 786 00:33:14.759 --> 00:33:18.160 that Lucky Whitehead fumble because I thought that Winnipeg had 787 00:33:18.200 --> 00:33:18.519 the game. 788 00:33:18.599 --> 00:33:19.480 Yes, it was close. 789 00:33:19.559 --> 00:33:22.359 I thought they were still in control of the game 790 00:33:22.440 --> 00:33:25.519 at that point, but the fact that they fumbled and 791 00:33:25.559 --> 00:33:28.200 then I think that was when the Kevin Mattal touchdown 792 00:33:28.279 --> 00:33:30.720 happened a couple of plays later, maybe the next play, 793 00:33:31.079 --> 00:33:33.839 and that's when Toronto was like really starting to believe 794 00:33:33.880 --> 00:33:36.160 that they could win this thing. And there was also 795 00:33:36.200 --> 00:33:38.160 another key play where I believe it was a blocked 796 00:33:38.240 --> 00:33:42.559 punt that Winnipeg was going to get the ball deep 797 00:33:42.559 --> 00:33:44.880 in Toronto territory, but they got a penalty for I 798 00:33:44.920 --> 00:33:47.559 think it was loose ball interference is what it's called, 799 00:33:48.319 --> 00:33:50.920 and they the guy for Winnipeg pushed the Toronto player 800 00:33:50.920 --> 00:33:53.240 in the back, and you know, I was saying to 801 00:33:53.240 --> 00:33:56.759 Alex my girlfriend, I don't know what that penalty is called, 802 00:33:56.759 --> 00:33:58.519 but I know you can't just push someone in the 803 00:33:58.559 --> 00:34:02.799 back like that. And sure enough that you know, Toronto 804 00:34:02.839 --> 00:34:04.640 retained possession of the ball and that would have been 805 00:34:04.640 --> 00:34:08.159 a crucial play for Winnipeg in the game. So ultimately, 806 00:34:08.559 --> 00:34:11.199 we say it all the time in football, it often 807 00:34:11.239 --> 00:34:13.599 comes down to a couple of plays during the game. 808 00:34:13.639 --> 00:34:15.840 And I think if Winnipeg had had those couple of 809 00:34:15.840 --> 00:34:18.360 plays go in their favor or not happened at all. 810 00:34:18.599 --> 00:34:21.880 I think we're talking about a pretty different ballgame. And 811 00:34:21.960 --> 00:34:26.000 you know, obviously, if they had kept Brady olivera more 812 00:34:26.039 --> 00:34:28.599 involved in this game. And it's the most baffling thing 813 00:34:28.639 --> 00:34:31.039 to me about that is that he had a lot 814 00:34:31.079 --> 00:34:33.719 of success in this game. He was getting chunk run 815 00:34:33.760 --> 00:34:36.880 after chunk run, but they decided to ride with Zach 816 00:34:37.000 --> 00:34:40.960 And you know, it's crazy, considering how he's played in 817 00:34:41.000 --> 00:34:43.960 these great Cup games that they trusted him more than 818 00:34:44.000 --> 00:34:45.760 Brady their mop. 819 00:34:46.880 --> 00:34:47.800 Yeah, it was funny. 820 00:34:48.480 --> 00:34:52.079 The we didn't know either obviously in the stands, and 821 00:34:52.119 --> 00:34:54.519 I think they announced the penalty, we could really hear it, 822 00:34:54.599 --> 00:34:57.239 and then we were texting Anthony Miller and Pat I 823 00:34:57.239 --> 00:34:57.760 think we. 824 00:34:57.639 --> 00:34:59.280 Was watching, like see what's going on. 825 00:34:59.360 --> 00:35:01.519 And finally I think Naylor tweeted out the rules and 826 00:35:01.559 --> 00:35:03.800 I was just like, big step, like because we're like 827 00:35:03.840 --> 00:35:06.320 everyone in the stands is like knowing. It was like 828 00:35:06.400 --> 00:35:09.280 last night at the Cracking game, the Predators had a 829 00:35:10.280 --> 00:35:12.639 they called a penalty twenty seconds into the game where 830 00:35:12.679 --> 00:35:15.599 they had actually announced a different starting lineup than they 831 00:35:15.599 --> 00:35:19.079 had started and like no one had ever Like everyone 832 00:35:19.119 --> 00:35:21.159 on cracking tours like I haven't following hockey, you know, 833 00:35:21.199 --> 00:35:23.639 thirty years. I've never seen that before. So it was 834 00:35:23.679 --> 00:35:27.679 kind of one of those things. Andy. Let's start looking 835 00:35:27.719 --> 00:35:31.440 forward here, right. We saw Chack Kelly on the you know, 836 00:35:31.480 --> 00:35:35.159 from the parade, screaming very loud into a microphone. 837 00:35:35.199 --> 00:35:36.559 I wasn't as happy to see that. 838 00:35:36.679 --> 00:35:39.400 I enjoyed seeing our friend Mike Cogan getting to introduce 839 00:35:39.400 --> 00:35:42.039 the Argonauts. I said that a message on off of 840 00:35:42.079 --> 00:35:44.800 our behalf to Mike Cogan, congratulating him and saying thanks 841 00:35:44.800 --> 00:35:47.880 again for all that stuff. But obviously Nick Arbuckle did 842 00:35:47.880 --> 00:35:49.920 not play enough. Chack Kelly will come back and do that. 843 00:35:50.039 --> 00:35:52.079 What are your thoughts on Toronto moving forward and then 844 00:35:52.119 --> 00:35:54.119 Winnipeg here, because you know your. 845 00:35:53.960 --> 00:35:55.760 Hosted next year. Everyone's talking. 846 00:35:55.800 --> 00:35:57.519 It would be a sheer irony would be to have 847 00:35:57.559 --> 00:35:59.039 a Winnipeg not be in the next year. 848 00:35:59.719 --> 00:36:00.599 Certainly wouldn't be. 849 00:36:01.440 --> 00:36:04.400 I mean, it'd be even funnier if Saskatchewan made that 850 00:36:04.440 --> 00:36:06.519 game and then suddenly they forced their hands to try 851 00:36:06.559 --> 00:36:08.960 and sell tickets. If they did a reverse Uno card 852 00:36:09.480 --> 00:36:12.280 from when they did it in twenty twenty two, that'd. 853 00:36:12.119 --> 00:36:12.960 Be quite something. 854 00:36:13.000 --> 00:36:15.559 But yeah, to look at at Toronto a little bit, 855 00:36:15.559 --> 00:36:18.320 their free agent list is quite extensive here. They've got 856 00:36:18.360 --> 00:36:20.719 a lot of decisions to make, as most CFL teams do. 857 00:36:21.400 --> 00:36:23.880 Nick Garbuckle Cameron Dukes are set to be free agents. 858 00:36:24.039 --> 00:36:26.199 Kadem Carey, he's getting up there in years. He was 859 00:36:26.239 --> 00:36:27.920 great this year for them. I don't know if they 860 00:36:27.920 --> 00:36:32.039 necessarily bring him back. Devonte Koxy, who's really made a 861 00:36:32.039 --> 00:36:33.400 lot of big plays and he's set to be a 862 00:36:33.400 --> 00:36:37.559 free agent. Janarian Grant, they're fantastic returner. I imagine they have 863 00:36:37.599 --> 00:36:40.920 to bring him back in some capacity. Jake Crezna, a 864 00:36:41.000 --> 00:36:44.559 guy who's a fantastic pass rusher. Their defensive backfield, it's 865 00:36:44.639 --> 00:36:47.000 all the defensive backs that's really the biggest list here. 866 00:36:47.679 --> 00:36:51.719 Guys like Royce Machi, Robert Priester, to VARs mcfadd and 867 00:36:52.000 --> 00:36:55.639 Deshaun Amos really key starters and contributors in the secondary. 868 00:36:55.679 --> 00:36:58.880 They got to kind of think about maybe replacing going forward. 869 00:36:59.440 --> 00:37:01.239 But you know, the thing about this game, and this 870 00:37:01.320 --> 00:37:02.679 is kind of the brilliance of the Argos and what 871 00:37:02.719 --> 00:37:04.599 they've done the last few years. They've always managed to 872 00:37:04.599 --> 00:37:06.599 find a way to kind of replenish their talent and 873 00:37:06.639 --> 00:37:09.880 restock the shells. I mean, Kevin Mattaal scoring a touchdown 874 00:37:09.920 --> 00:37:13.360 a rookie who's afterwards said that this meant more to 875 00:37:13.440 --> 00:37:16.239 him than winning the Banya Cup and the head Crichton 876 00:37:16.239 --> 00:37:18.440 Trophy obviously is one of the best players in youth 877 00:37:18.480 --> 00:37:22.760 sports in Canada. He winning that, you know, the way 878 00:37:22.760 --> 00:37:24.960 they won, the way he scored that touchdown, the go 879 00:37:25.000 --> 00:37:29.079 I had touchdown kind of was like a picture into 880 00:37:29.119 --> 00:37:31.679 the future of the shape of the argos to come 881 00:37:31.719 --> 00:37:34.280 in a way. So yes, we'll see if Chad Kelly 882 00:37:34.800 --> 00:37:38.000 is able to return healthily, whoever they bring. 883 00:37:37.840 --> 00:37:38.800 In as the backup. 884 00:37:39.400 --> 00:37:41.880 Maybe they bring you know, Brian Scott back, who knows, 885 00:37:41.920 --> 00:37:42.960 maybe they keep him around. 886 00:37:43.440 --> 00:37:43.880 We'll see. 887 00:37:43.920 --> 00:37:45.840 You know, that would be quite the clout for this 888 00:37:45.920 --> 00:37:48.920 podcast if that was the case. But yeah, I mean, 889 00:37:49.000 --> 00:37:51.920 I have no really no issue with how they're going 890 00:37:51.960 --> 00:37:53.480 to be able to replash their talent because they always 891 00:37:53.480 --> 00:37:55.159 seem to find a way. Although there are some other 892 00:37:55.159 --> 00:37:57.199 structural things we can get into later about what's going 893 00:37:57.199 --> 00:38:00.239 on with the team later on down the road, but 894 00:38:01.599 --> 00:38:04.440 as far as Winnipeg goes, I mean, it sounds like 895 00:38:04.480 --> 00:38:06.760 everybody's trying to come back. Adam Bill big Hill said 896 00:38:06.760 --> 00:38:08.960 he's trying to come back. Stanley Bryant says he's trying 897 00:38:09.000 --> 00:38:11.079 to come back. A lot of the guys are obviously, 898 00:38:11.159 --> 00:38:13.760 you know, Father Time is undefeated, and Father Time's gonna 899 00:38:13.760 --> 00:38:15.119 have to come collect here at some point. 900 00:38:15.159 --> 00:38:15.360 You know. 901 00:38:15.440 --> 00:38:18.199 Klaris's health is always in question. He's getting up there 902 00:38:18.199 --> 00:38:20.960 in years. Brittie Oliver is really the kind of the 903 00:38:20.960 --> 00:38:23.119 centerpiece here. I mean, he's still in his prime, so 904 00:38:23.159 --> 00:38:25.440 you could still utilize him, but there's still a lot 905 00:38:25.440 --> 00:38:27.480 of other pieces that have to think about. The question 906 00:38:27.519 --> 00:38:29.800 for them is can they replenish that talent quickly enough 907 00:38:29.800 --> 00:38:32.159 to still be competitive. This is kind of the same 908 00:38:32.199 --> 00:38:34.559 problem that the New England Patriots had when they had 909 00:38:34.559 --> 00:38:36.360 their first dynasty run in three or four years. Then 910 00:38:36.360 --> 00:38:39.159 everybody got really old. Tom Brady and Belichick were still there, 911 00:38:39.199 --> 00:38:40.960 but it took them a while to really get back 912 00:38:40.960 --> 00:38:43.840 into contention. So is that gonna happen here with Winnipeg. 913 00:38:43.920 --> 00:38:47.360 I'm not sure, but I just see like everyone's kind 914 00:38:47.360 --> 00:38:49.400 of waiting for the cliff, right, Everyone's waiting for wins. 915 00:38:49.480 --> 00:38:50.800 When did they get hit the cliff? Is it gonna 916 00:38:50.800 --> 00:38:53.239 be next year? Is the year after some people thought 917 00:38:53.239 --> 00:38:54.480 it was this year, and it looked like it was 918 00:38:54.480 --> 00:38:57.519 for a month, but they seem to be in at 919 00:38:57.599 --> 00:39:00.000 least more questionable shape in my opinion, at least it's 920 00:39:00.039 --> 00:39:01.679 far as Toronto goes. Even if Toronto might have a 921 00:39:01.679 --> 00:39:04.280 bigger free agency see list, I think I have a 922 00:39:04.320 --> 00:39:06.360 little bit more confidence that Toronto's going to try and 923 00:39:06.400 --> 00:39:09.480 figure it out if things you know, change, as opposed 924 00:39:09.519 --> 00:39:11.840 to if Winnipeg just you know, finally hits the wall. 925 00:39:12.800 --> 00:39:15.239 One side note here we'll toss to Evan thoughts on 926 00:39:15.280 --> 00:39:17.960 this continuing conversation, but just you know, I know a 927 00:39:18.000 --> 00:39:20.280 lot of people probably thought famously, you know the Mark 928 00:39:20.320 --> 00:39:23.559 cast curse, where you know, Ben Holmes didn't go on 929 00:39:23.599 --> 00:39:25.719 the podcast and then went on and won a Great Cup. 930 00:39:25.760 --> 00:39:29.159 But with Toronto, I'm sure people were like, well, Brian, like, 931 00:39:29.239 --> 00:39:30.800 you know, Brian was on the show and then he 932 00:39:30.840 --> 00:39:33.960 went and on a those sitting down behind the scenes, 933 00:39:33.960 --> 00:39:36.239 there's many other times that Brian was supposed to come 934 00:39:36.239 --> 00:39:38.400 on the podcast and didn't. So I think that that 935 00:39:38.519 --> 00:39:41.840 the No Show still holds true with Brian Scott No Show, 936 00:39:41.880 --> 00:39:44.119 that he's probably got three more Great Cup runs in him. 937 00:39:44.280 --> 00:39:47.159 That Brian's a crew by No show in the podcast 938 00:39:47.360 --> 00:39:49.559 before that's getting kick into Effects. I just thought that 939 00:39:49.639 --> 00:39:52.320 was interesting, Evan. Yeah, where does winnebeg go from here? 940 00:39:52.320 --> 00:39:53.599 Where's Toronto go from here? 941 00:39:54.320 --> 00:39:55.559 Yeah, it'll be interesting. 942 00:39:55.639 --> 00:39:55.800 You know. 943 00:39:55.880 --> 00:39:58.400 I think it's pretty clear that, you know, this will 944 00:39:58.440 --> 00:40:00.440 be a big off season in the league. Is gonna 945 00:40:00.440 --> 00:40:03.440 be a lot of change, you know, Winnipeg, like Andy 946 00:40:03.440 --> 00:40:06.360 already pointed out, father time is gonna is gonna catch 947 00:40:06.440 --> 00:40:08.559 up at some point and has to collect. Like I remember, 948 00:40:08.880 --> 00:40:11.800 you know, doing that pregame show in Hamilton before the 949 00:40:11.840 --> 00:40:15.599 game against Montreal, and it kind of felt like, you know, 950 00:40:15.639 --> 00:40:17.519 it kind of felt like Winnipeg was getting old then, 951 00:40:17.599 --> 00:40:19.320 you know, and they were able to bring back everybody 952 00:40:19.320 --> 00:40:22.519 for another year, minus like JaMarcus Hardrick who went to 953 00:40:22.519 --> 00:40:26.880 Saskatchewan and got injured. But you know, it's impressive that 954 00:40:26.920 --> 00:40:29.559 they're still doing it. Stanley Bryant in particular, I think, 955 00:40:29.679 --> 00:40:32.480 is like thirty nine or something, So he's gonna be 956 00:40:32.519 --> 00:40:34.639 in like Jason Peters kind of territory, you know, if 957 00:40:34.679 --> 00:40:37.719 he keeps doing this and and sticks around, whether it's 958 00:40:37.719 --> 00:40:41.000 with you know, Winnipeg or somebody else. Again, he expressed 959 00:40:41.000 --> 00:40:43.599 his intent to keep playing, so you know, we'll see 960 00:40:43.880 --> 00:40:47.320 you know, Winnipeg. There's some questions Toronto, there's some questions 961 00:40:48.480 --> 00:40:51.239 as to who's set up better for the future. That's 962 00:40:51.280 --> 00:40:53.039 also hard to say. You know again, I think we 963 00:40:53.119 --> 00:40:55.679 have to wait to see some of these changes and 964 00:40:55.679 --> 00:40:57.719 give it a couple of weeks or months, you know, 965 00:40:57.800 --> 00:41:00.480 maybe see how free agency goes before you can really uh, 966 00:41:00.519 --> 00:41:02.400 before you can really have a definitive answer to that. 967 00:41:03.360 --> 00:41:05.440 Jason to you, we can start looking towards some of 968 00:41:05.480 --> 00:41:07.639 the news. Obviously we're kind of in the middle of 969 00:41:07.880 --> 00:41:12.760 the news cycle, and Rick Campbell now has been officially released. 970 00:41:12.760 --> 00:41:15.559 I think we expected that. I think like remember when 971 00:41:15.679 --> 00:41:18.079 Jason ile Somemer were like, oh no, frekst the guy, 972 00:41:18.280 --> 00:41:20.280 and then now it's like, oh, okay, but yeah, so 973 00:41:20.360 --> 00:41:22.920 Rick's moved on. It looks like he's going to Edmonton, 974 00:41:23.039 --> 00:41:25.760 and BC's made some promotions that way, and then they 975 00:41:25.840 --> 00:41:28.360 I think CFL News they just put. 976 00:41:28.199 --> 00:41:30.920 Out, you know, Vernon officially going to be traded. 977 00:41:31.000 --> 00:41:32.639 We all kind of know this stuff, but kind of 978 00:41:32.679 --> 00:41:34.920 thoughts on this now anything forward looking and it could 979 00:41:34.960 --> 00:41:36.960 be winning pay Toronto, but then especially kind of BC 980 00:41:37.079 --> 00:41:38.800 in the West really feels like it could be pretty 981 00:41:38.840 --> 00:41:39.360 open here. 982 00:41:40.440 --> 00:41:42.039 Yeah, just a touch on Toronto. 983 00:41:42.119 --> 00:41:44.840 I think that they've become and we'll talk about what 984 00:41:44.920 --> 00:41:50.039 Kadeen Carrey said after their victory on Sunday, but they've 985 00:41:50.039 --> 00:41:52.800 become the new Calgary in a sense. Calgary for years 986 00:41:52.840 --> 00:41:55.719 they were able to, you know, have all these guys 987 00:41:55.760 --> 00:41:57.719 go out the door in free agency and they would 988 00:41:57.760 --> 00:41:59.760 just you know, find these guys that are nowhere and 989 00:41:59.840 --> 00:42:02.480 just plug him into the lineup as rookies or second 990 00:42:02.559 --> 00:42:04.880 year players and you know, not miss a beat. 991 00:42:04.920 --> 00:42:06.199 And Toronto's been able to do that. 992 00:42:06.280 --> 00:42:09.599 I think they lost a total of seventeen players or 993 00:42:09.639 --> 00:42:12.880 something like that, something crazy like that last offseason. Two 994 00:42:13.199 --> 00:42:17.480 other CFL teams I think Hamilton alone signed seven of them. 995 00:42:17.559 --> 00:42:20.519 So it just shows you the amount of turnover that 996 00:42:20.559 --> 00:42:23.199 team was able to overcome this year on top of 997 00:42:23.239 --> 00:42:27.880 the quarterback injury and the Great Cups. So just incredibly impressive. 998 00:42:28.480 --> 00:42:30.960 You know, it's gonna be really interesting going forward, you 999 00:42:31.000 --> 00:42:34.039 know here in Hamilton. Now that ed Hervey now got 1000 00:42:34.079 --> 00:42:36.800 hired as the GM in Edmondson, who is going to 1001 00:42:36.840 --> 00:42:39.519 be the next GM here in Hamilton, A lot of 1002 00:42:39.599 --> 00:42:43.199 rumors speculating about maybe it's gonna be Danny McManus, who 1003 00:42:43.280 --> 00:42:46.480 is the assistant GM in Winnipeg. He is the last 1004 00:42:46.519 --> 00:42:49.559 Hamilton quarterback to bring a Great Cup to this city, 1005 00:42:49.679 --> 00:42:54.239 so it would be an interesting homecoming. And Ted Goviah, 1006 00:42:54.280 --> 00:42:57.360 I think is his name, is the other assistant GM 1007 00:42:57.440 --> 00:43:01.039 in Winnipeg that you know, maybe gets a job here 1008 00:43:01.079 --> 00:43:03.199 as well. So it should be interesting to see what 1009 00:43:03.199 --> 00:43:06.400 happens with that position. I mean BC's head coach, I 1010 00:43:06.400 --> 00:43:09.679 think is the big question because it looks like Edmonton's 1011 00:43:09.719 --> 00:43:11.920 head coach is gonna be Rick Campbell. It looks like 1012 00:43:12.000 --> 00:43:15.480 all signs are pointing towards Edmonton hiring, you know, just 1013 00:43:15.480 --> 00:43:18.679 because of the lenyards there, with Hugh Campbell his dad 1014 00:43:18.760 --> 00:43:21.119 being such a legend there, I think it makes too 1015 00:43:21.159 --> 00:43:24.519 much sense for them not to do that. BC's head coach, 1016 00:43:24.599 --> 00:43:27.000 on the other hand, I think that is a big 1017 00:43:27.119 --> 00:43:29.360 question mark about who it's gonna be. It could be 1018 00:43:29.400 --> 00:43:32.840 a number of different people. Maybe it's a promotion from within, 1019 00:43:32.920 --> 00:43:35.840 Maybe Jordan Max Simmick gets that, you know, opportunity as 1020 00:43:35.840 --> 00:43:38.440 a head coach, or you know, maybe they you know, 1021 00:43:38.480 --> 00:43:40.440 look around the league to a guy like Buck Pierce 1022 00:43:40.480 --> 00:43:42.679 who didn't call his best game in the Great Cup, 1023 00:43:42.719 --> 00:43:45.400 as we've alluded to. But you know, maybe it's one 1024 00:43:45.440 --> 00:43:48.480 of those guys that gets a first time opportunity because 1025 00:43:48.599 --> 00:43:51.360 there's not too many guys with the head coaching experience 1026 00:43:51.480 --> 00:43:52.960 just sitting around in the CFL. 1027 00:43:53.880 --> 00:43:55.760 It is weird it just to speak on that, and 1028 00:43:55.800 --> 00:43:57.760 then I have the one quick thing about Tronto, Like 1029 00:43:58.159 --> 00:44:00.960 the Rick Campbell thing is weird to me because you know, 1030 00:44:01.840 --> 00:44:04.760 obviously we saw that with Jason Moss and from the Cordinata, 1031 00:44:04.760 --> 00:44:06.400 you know, going over to the Olwettes and kind of 1032 00:44:06.400 --> 00:44:08.840 you know, they what do they call that, like failing up? 1033 00:44:08.840 --> 00:44:11.159 But you got promoted that. But you know, generally, if. 1034 00:44:11.039 --> 00:44:13.440 You're a coach like Rick, you would take a couple 1035 00:44:13.400 --> 00:44:16.000 of seasons off and people kind of forget about, Okay, 1036 00:44:16.039 --> 00:44:18.840 what's going on? Like to me, and the people think, 1037 00:44:18.960 --> 00:44:21.760 you know, I know we've talked about Belichick and whatever 1038 00:44:21.800 --> 00:44:24.039 in the chat, but like to me, that's the damn 1039 00:44:24.079 --> 00:44:26.320 this thing right now is Bill Belichick went from last 1040 00:44:26.360 --> 00:44:28.159 year where you know, no one wanted him and kind 1041 00:44:28.199 --> 00:44:30.239 of saw how you know, the Patriots kind of collapsed 1042 00:44:30.280 --> 00:44:32.719 and he was old and kind of whatever, and then 1043 00:44:32.760 --> 00:44:34.679 you know he's doing all this media stuff now and 1044 00:44:34.719 --> 00:44:36.880 he's like the jolliest, funniest guy in the world. And 1045 00:44:36.880 --> 00:44:39.199 then you you know, we guarantee he's gonna get hired 1046 00:44:39.239 --> 00:44:41.079 somewhere next year. It's like that's the same guy that 1047 00:44:41.199 --> 00:44:43.119 didn't want to do. Like the thing to me with 1048 00:44:43.239 --> 00:44:45.360 Rick is just wild where we just saw, like we 1049 00:44:45.480 --> 00:44:48.199 just lived through how many years of this in in BC, 1050 00:44:48.400 --> 00:44:50.119 and now you're gonna go hot, Like why would we 1051 00:44:50.159 --> 00:44:53.199 expect anything different? And if you have any thoughts on 1052 00:44:53.199 --> 00:44:54.559 that of a second, the other thing I was gonna 1053 00:44:54.559 --> 00:44:56.880 say with Toronto is it's really a shame to me, 1054 00:44:57.119 --> 00:45:02.440 like and this is a really good story and and everything, 1055 00:45:02.480 --> 00:45:04.440 and we would dim waiting and everything they've gone through 1056 00:45:04.440 --> 00:45:06.440 and kind of the adversity, which part of which was 1057 00:45:06.480 --> 00:45:08.360 you know, self inflicted with Chad and all that. 1058 00:45:08.400 --> 00:45:10.360 However you want to look at that. But I do 1059 00:45:10.599 --> 00:45:11.880 still feel like that kind of. 1060 00:45:11.840 --> 00:45:13.840 Hangs over because even in the you know that I 1061 00:45:13.920 --> 00:45:16.199 thought Chad was just obnoxious in the in the in 1062 00:45:16.239 --> 00:45:18.599 the prey kind of thing and screaming and yelling. And 1063 00:45:18.639 --> 00:45:21.440 I understand you're with the team and it's not like 1064 00:45:21.480 --> 00:45:23.880 you you know, you you didn't meet the bombers. You 1065 00:45:23.920 --> 00:45:25.599 weren't there you miss half the season. 1066 00:45:25.920 --> 00:45:27.840 Uh. And I think. 1067 00:45:27.960 --> 00:45:30.960 Whether you agree with kind of how the league handled 1068 00:45:30.960 --> 00:45:32.760 that or not, I just think that Chad just doesn't 1069 00:45:32.800 --> 00:45:35.480 come across as a very likable guy online or doing any. 1070 00:45:35.320 --> 00:45:36.079 Of this kind of stuff. 1071 00:45:36.079 --> 00:45:38.559 And I think that hurts in that regard of just 1072 00:45:38.599 --> 00:45:41.480 like this should be very overwhelmingly positive right now for Toronto. 1073 00:45:41.639 --> 00:45:44.239 I don't like that, and obviously he's going to be 1074 00:45:44.280 --> 00:45:46.480 back next year. Andy, any thoughts on anything I've said. 1075 00:45:46.519 --> 00:45:48.320 I know I dropped a couple of different things there. 1076 00:45:49.519 --> 00:45:51.519 Well, and just as quickly in regards to Chad Killing, 1077 00:45:51.559 --> 00:45:53.400 I mean, they've hitched their wagon to him. For better 1078 00:45:53.480 --> 00:45:55.320 or words. They seem to love him, even if the 1079 00:45:55.360 --> 00:45:58.519 public doesn't. But that I has to do with litigation 1080 00:45:58.840 --> 00:46:02.320 or public perception. They don't seem to care. So we'll 1081 00:46:02.320 --> 00:46:07.840 see what happens as regards to that. And also again 1082 00:46:07.920 --> 00:46:11.000 with some of the structural shifts, we'll see if you know, 1083 00:46:11.159 --> 00:46:13.599 someone like John Murphy stay around for that for that team, 1084 00:46:13.679 --> 00:46:17.760 the team president. You know, there's there were some reporting 1085 00:46:17.800 --> 00:46:20.519 on that I've already seen. We'll we'll see what happens 1086 00:46:20.559 --> 00:46:24.280 going forward. But as far as the rest of the league. 1087 00:46:25.079 --> 00:46:27.079 I can sense that there's going to be a dramatic 1088 00:46:27.079 --> 00:46:29.039 shift and a lot of teams, especially in the West. 1089 00:46:29.760 --> 00:46:33.920 Obviously BC's making wholesale changes Saskatchewan. Again, it kind of 1090 00:46:33.920 --> 00:46:36.320 comes down to does Trevor Harris stay around. That's really 1091 00:46:36.400 --> 00:46:38.840 kind of one of the big dominoes Calgary. Calgary needs 1092 00:46:38.840 --> 00:46:42.079 to restock the shells quickly. If Dave Dickinson wants to 1093 00:46:42.079 --> 00:46:44.599 stay around, I mean the clock's kind of ticking on 1094 00:46:44.679 --> 00:46:48.639 him right now too. And I just wonder about, you know, 1095 00:46:48.719 --> 00:46:51.159 what kind of changes our Hamilton is going to make. 1096 00:46:51.199 --> 00:46:54.400 You know, obviously another season where they didn't really meet 1097 00:46:54.440 --> 00:46:57.519 their own expectations. You know, a lot of the quarterback 1098 00:46:57.599 --> 00:47:01.079 movement we talked, asked that Dave Naylor about that the carousel. 1099 00:47:01.239 --> 00:47:04.639 I mean, it seems like quarterback musical chairs. Obviously, Uh yes, 1100 00:47:04.679 --> 00:47:07.800 we know that, thank you. But reading the fact about 1101 00:47:08.000 --> 00:47:09.960 Trevor Harris being the same age as Rida, and I've 1102 00:47:10.000 --> 00:47:13.599 never heard that one before. But look, I just wonder 1103 00:47:13.599 --> 00:47:16.679 about this musical chairs with all the quarterbacks because there's 1104 00:47:16.719 --> 00:47:21.559 so many different guys that possibly could start that aren't 1105 00:47:21.559 --> 00:47:23.400 going to have a starting spot when the camp opens 1106 00:47:23.480 --> 00:47:25.559 or when it's uh when it concludes, I should say, 1107 00:47:26.000 --> 00:47:30.599 And so for me, I just wonder, like where that's 1108 00:47:30.639 --> 00:47:32.719 all gonna go. There's there's gonna be so much movement. 1109 00:47:32.800 --> 00:47:35.320 I'm really excited for all of it, but what it 1110 00:47:35.360 --> 00:47:37.880 looks like right now is really going to look a 1111 00:47:37.880 --> 00:47:40.480 lot different when training camp starts. 1112 00:47:41.880 --> 00:47:43.800 Yeah, that was kind of what we uh, I mean, 1113 00:47:43.800 --> 00:47:45.320 Andy and I come of all week, it felt like 1114 00:47:45.360 --> 00:47:47.159 anyone you talk to, you know, even you know, the 1115 00:47:47.239 --> 00:47:49.719 Jimoens and Jamie and I and everyone is just kind 1116 00:47:49.719 --> 00:47:51.159 of like, yeah, that's gonna be really crazy with that. 1117 00:47:51.239 --> 00:47:52.840 Yeah, she's got a Jim on that came to dinner 1118 00:47:52.840 --> 00:47:53.280 with all of us. 1119 00:47:53.320 --> 00:47:56.639 That was fun, even though like I was loving because 1120 00:47:56.800 --> 00:47:59.480 I can text everyone, Hey, I got a special guest coming. 1121 00:47:59.559 --> 00:48:01.920 I show Jim and everyone's like, we thought it was 1122 00:48:01.960 --> 00:48:04.719 gonna before hunt. I'm like, don't say that, Jim is 1123 00:48:04.800 --> 00:48:05.280 any there. 1124 00:48:05.440 --> 00:48:08.199 You say that, You say that after the fact, you 1125 00:48:08.239 --> 00:48:11.239 don't say that during the back Evan any faster in 1126 00:48:11.239 --> 00:48:12.719 the future. And then we'll spend the last couple of 1127 00:48:12.719 --> 00:48:14.559 minutes you're telling funny stories and we'll get out of 1128 00:48:14.599 --> 00:48:16.199 here because we got a It's gonna be a good 1129 00:48:16.199 --> 00:48:20.119 game tonight, right we got Steelers Browns, right, Yeah, Russell Wilson, 1130 00:48:20.159 --> 00:48:20.559 here we go. 1131 00:48:21.480 --> 00:48:23.760 Yeah, there's gonna be a lot of movement on many levels. 1132 00:48:23.840 --> 00:48:27.280 There's gonna be personnel, there's gonna be coaches, there's gonna 1133 00:48:27.280 --> 00:48:28.199 be players. 1134 00:48:29.079 --> 00:48:29.280 You know. 1135 00:48:29.360 --> 00:48:32.400 The BC situation I think is an interesting one to monitor. 1136 00:48:32.440 --> 00:48:35.440 I'll start there. You know, Jordan Max Simmick to me, 1137 00:48:35.840 --> 00:48:38.199 was kind of the automatic name that came to mind, 1138 00:48:38.960 --> 00:48:41.000 especially given he was the one who kind of brought 1139 00:48:41.119 --> 00:48:43.679 Nathan Rourke to power in twenty twenty two during his 1140 00:48:44.480 --> 00:48:47.360 outstanding season that eventually put him into the NFL with 1141 00:48:47.400 --> 00:48:52.800 the Jacksonville Jaguars. You know, Buck Pierce, I also think 1142 00:48:53.039 --> 00:48:56.000 is a convincing name. Like you might remember last year 1143 00:48:56.039 --> 00:48:59.119 when Saskatchewan was doing their coaching hires, Buck Pierce was 1144 00:48:59.119 --> 00:49:01.159 a finalist for that. It came down to, you know, 1145 00:49:01.239 --> 00:49:03.760 either him or Corey Mace, and they went with Corey 1146 00:49:03.800 --> 00:49:07.000 Mace obviously worked out pretty well for them. You know, 1147 00:49:07.079 --> 00:49:09.199 wouldn't mind, you know, I think Buck Pierce has done 1148 00:49:09.280 --> 00:49:11.480 enough in this league to get an opportunity again part 1149 00:49:11.519 --> 00:49:14.840 of the uh yeah, that dynasty term, you know, got 1150 00:49:14.840 --> 00:49:17.639 to be careful with that. But again, he's he's been there, 1151 00:49:17.719 --> 00:49:20.480 and and you know, he's helped Zach and he's helped 1152 00:49:20.559 --> 00:49:23.039 Drew Brown, He's helped Chris Traveler, He's helped a lot 1153 00:49:23.079 --> 00:49:26.320 of prominent names in this league, you know, and especially 1154 00:49:26.320 --> 00:49:29.440 I mean the plethora of receivers that Winnipeg has and 1155 00:49:29.760 --> 00:49:33.320 just playmakers all around. Andrew Harris who had in the backfield. 1156 00:49:33.320 --> 00:49:36.360 Then it was Brady Olivera. So obviously you know, he's 1157 00:49:36.360 --> 00:49:39.400 got a wealth of experience that he could bring. The 1158 00:49:39.480 --> 00:49:43.000 other spot I'll talk about. I mean, I think Edmonton's 1159 00:49:43.039 --> 00:49:45.639 pretty clear to me at this point. It's already been 1160 00:49:45.679 --> 00:49:48.920 touched on. But the Hamilton GM opening, I think is 1161 00:49:48.960 --> 00:49:52.480 an interesting one. You know, Uh, Jason already talked about. 1162 00:49:52.519 --> 00:49:55.920 You know, Danny McManus, Ted Gevaia. Do those guys come 1163 00:49:55.960 --> 00:49:59.039 together as a package deal? Currently they you know, are 1164 00:49:59.039 --> 00:50:03.079 in that situation under Kyle Walters in Winnipeg, Ted Gava 1165 00:50:03.159 --> 00:50:06.239 being the senior assistant GM and Danny McManus being the 1166 00:50:06.800 --> 00:50:10.400 just assistant GM who runs the US scouting. You know, 1167 00:50:10.480 --> 00:50:13.280 So do they hire one, do they hire both? If 1168 00:50:13.280 --> 00:50:15.559 they hire one, which one is it? Or do they 1169 00:50:15.559 --> 00:50:18.639 go external? I mean, I think you know, you saw 1170 00:50:18.920 --> 00:50:21.679 like Scott Milanovitch, right, was kind of an external hire, 1171 00:50:21.719 --> 00:50:23.960 a guy who had been in the CFL before but 1172 00:50:24.119 --> 00:50:28.320 was working you know, in the NFL prior. And I 1173 00:50:28.360 --> 00:50:30.760 think Ken Austin at one point who's now doing some 1174 00:50:30.760 --> 00:50:33.920 stuff at Auburn, had been in Hamilton maybe, and he 1175 00:50:33.960 --> 00:50:36.000 was a guy who again was an external hire at 1176 00:50:36.000 --> 00:50:38.719 one time, so they kind of have a history with that. 1177 00:50:38.840 --> 00:50:41.800 The one really interesting name that I saw that came 1178 00:50:41.880 --> 00:50:44.639 up in some places was Chris Rosetti, who I believe 1179 00:50:44.719 --> 00:50:47.280 is the director of pro scouting with the New York Giants. 1180 00:50:47.519 --> 00:50:50.000 You know, obviously the Giants might be doing some you 1181 00:50:50.039 --> 00:50:53.079 know restructuring in the offseason with their personnel department and 1182 00:50:53.159 --> 00:50:56.400 coaches and whatever. You know, we've we've yet to see that. 1183 00:50:56.639 --> 00:50:59.800 But he was a guy I'm pretty sure he's Canadian 1184 00:50:59.800 --> 00:51:01.800 and worked with the Argos when he was young at 1185 00:51:01.800 --> 00:51:04.639 one point in a variety of you know, personnel or 1186 00:51:04.639 --> 00:51:07.119 coaching roles. So that would be one the monitor. 1187 00:51:07.599 --> 00:51:08.280 You know, hard to. 1188 00:51:08.239 --> 00:51:10.880 Tell again which direction Hamilton's gonna go yet, just with 1189 00:51:10.960 --> 00:51:14.360 their history. But uh, again, that's just that's just like 1190 00:51:14.400 --> 00:51:16.239 the tip of the iceberg. There's so much more that 1191 00:51:16.239 --> 00:51:18.159 we could talk about. If if we have more time. 1192 00:51:18.199 --> 00:51:21.159 But again, a lot of it, you know, I want 1193 00:51:21.159 --> 00:51:23.000 to say a lot of it will take uh will 1194 00:51:23.039 --> 00:51:24.800 take time to figure out. But at least on the 1195 00:51:24.840 --> 00:51:27.159 personnel level, that's stuff that you have to get the 1196 00:51:27.199 --> 00:51:30.199 ball rolling on pretty quickly because there's decisions to be made, 1197 00:51:30.280 --> 00:51:32.599 guys to re sign and all that. 1198 00:51:32.760 --> 00:51:35.519 So yeah, yeah, Tim and Andy Tim here, and then 1199 00:51:35.519 --> 00:51:38.079 we can start getting into kind of wrapping this and that. 1200 00:51:38.159 --> 00:51:40.039 But yeah, like the question me, what what will be? 1201 00:51:40.119 --> 00:51:41.239 He ask? And I'll tell you. 1202 00:51:41.320 --> 00:51:43.199 I mean, it's gonna be a sad day when BC 1203 00:51:43.360 --> 00:51:45.559 finally gets rid of Vernon here and I know we 1204 00:51:45.719 --> 00:51:48.760 obviously the writing's on the wall and all that, but like, yeah, 1205 00:51:48.840 --> 00:51:51.280 do we promote Jordan and it's like the Nathan Show 1206 00:51:51.320 --> 00:51:55.000 all I hope, I mean, I hope, I hope we'll 1207 00:51:55.039 --> 00:51:57.079 see I mean a lot any anything's on that and 1208 00:51:57.079 --> 00:52:00.559 and they we can kind of transition on, you know, 1209 00:52:00.719 --> 00:52:01.320 I Uh. 1210 00:52:01.920 --> 00:52:04.480 One one thing we didn't touch on that I wanted 1211 00:52:04.480 --> 00:52:07.880 to say is that the situation in Montreal was one 1212 00:52:07.920 --> 00:52:10.960 to monitor. I think there were three down nations guys. 1213 00:52:11.000 --> 00:52:14.079 I was listening to you know, earlier this week they 1214 00:52:14.079 --> 00:52:16.559 were saying because they have a choice to make between 1215 00:52:16.800 --> 00:52:20.880 you know, Cody Fajardo and Davis Alexander. That from the 1216 00:52:20.880 --> 00:52:24.039 people that they've talked to, it seems like Davis Alexander 1217 00:52:24.159 --> 00:52:26.079 is the guy that they would prefer to keep. So 1218 00:52:26.519 --> 00:52:29.440 don't be surprised if Cody Fajardo ends up being a 1219 00:52:29.440 --> 00:52:32.239 free agent. And you know, with all these guys, and 1220 00:52:32.360 --> 00:52:35.679 Naylor was talking about this on the show being available 1221 00:52:35.679 --> 00:52:38.519 this offseason, somebody's gonna be left without a dance partner 1222 00:52:38.559 --> 00:52:40.679 at the end here, and someone's gonna have to be 1223 00:52:40.800 --> 00:52:43.679 a backup that we didn't expect. Maybe that's tray Ford, 1224 00:52:43.800 --> 00:52:46.639 maybe that's uh, you know, Pajardo. Like I said, so, 1225 00:52:47.239 --> 00:52:49.559 it's gonna be very interesting to see what happens this 1226 00:52:49.599 --> 00:52:51.840 offseason with the quarterback reshuffling. 1227 00:52:52.840 --> 00:52:55.719 Yeah, any thoughts on that, thoughts on VA and then 1228 00:52:55.760 --> 00:52:57.480 we'll because I know he's your boy. 1229 00:52:59.280 --> 00:53:00.400 No, he's absolute right. 1230 00:53:00.480 --> 00:53:02.559 I mean, just to think of the list off the 1231 00:53:02.559 --> 00:53:05.800 top of your head, You've got Cody Ferjardo and Davis Alexander. 1232 00:53:06.119 --> 00:53:09.119 I would think that Montreal is just from what I'm 1233 00:53:09.239 --> 00:53:12.000 kind of sensing from how Danny Machosha their GM talked 1234 00:53:12.000 --> 00:53:15.119 and how other people are talking it seems like that's 1235 00:53:15.239 --> 00:53:18.239 if they've put in that much work to develop Davis Alexander, 1236 00:53:18.280 --> 00:53:20.239 then they're probably gonna have to roll with him going forward, 1237 00:53:20.280 --> 00:53:22.920 make the difficult decision of parting ways with Cody Ferjardo. 1238 00:53:23.119 --> 00:53:26.360 So that's kind of the thought there. I agree with 1239 00:53:26.400 --> 00:53:29.199 Tim what Tims saying Cody maybe being traded and then 1240 00:53:29.199 --> 00:53:31.519 Alexander Beek signed to a multi year contract because again 1241 00:53:31.559 --> 00:53:34.159 they put so much space in capital in that believe 1242 00:53:34.199 --> 00:53:38.039 I Mitchell came up an MOPS season. Does Hamilton want 1243 00:53:38.079 --> 00:53:39.920 to restructure his contract or is he going to have 1244 00:53:39.960 --> 00:53:42.639 to go find that money elsewhere? That's another question obviously. 1245 00:53:42.719 --> 00:53:46.039 Chad Kelly, but again we don't know how healthy Chad 1246 00:53:46.119 --> 00:53:48.119 Kelly is going to be. Somebody else going to come 1247 00:53:48.159 --> 00:53:51.440 in and step in into Toronto, PJ. 1248 00:53:51.599 --> 00:53:53.000 Walker and Calgary. 1249 00:53:53.079 --> 00:53:56.239 Is Calgary going to trade for somebody or acquire somebody. 1250 00:53:57.000 --> 00:53:59.679 Obviously VA has to be traded to somebody at some point, 1251 00:53:59.719 --> 00:54:02.199 but somebody want to be keen on making him the starter. 1252 00:54:02.519 --> 00:54:06.239 Trevor Harris Nathan Worrick obviously seems to be the presumed 1253 00:54:06.239 --> 00:54:09.559 starter in BC. Do we assume that Zach Coloska, I 1254 00:54:09.599 --> 00:54:12.280 mean again, Zach Laros just based on healthwise, I know 1255 00:54:12.320 --> 00:54:14.119 he has to think, have some time to think, and 1256 00:54:14.159 --> 00:54:16.039 he said it's pretty much ninety nine point nine percent 1257 00:54:16.119 --> 00:54:19.719 chance he comes back, but you know, things can change, 1258 00:54:19.880 --> 00:54:23.000 and so yeah, obviously has like the Petz Dispenser hand, 1259 00:54:23.039 --> 00:54:27.000 but our finger, I should say, But I guess for me, 1260 00:54:27.800 --> 00:54:30.159 it's just like Jason was saying, it's a shame that 1261 00:54:30.199 --> 00:54:31.000 somebody's gonna. 1262 00:54:30.840 --> 00:54:31.760 Have to be left out in here. 1263 00:54:32.440 --> 00:54:36.880 Yeah, yeah, right right, but it's a shame that somebody's 1264 00:54:36.880 --> 00:54:39.199 gonna be left out out of the dances. Like he said, 1265 00:54:40.039 --> 00:54:43.079 I would think if you're asking me, yes, my personal 1266 00:54:43.079 --> 00:54:46.320 homersm here, it would be a damn shame if someone 1267 00:54:46.400 --> 00:54:48.280 like Vernon Adams ana have a starting jobber, if trey 1268 00:54:48.320 --> 00:54:51.039 Ford wasn't given a real chance with somebody, which again, 1269 00:54:51.280 --> 00:54:54.440 if Rick Campbell comes over to Edmonton, I'm just gonna 1270 00:54:54.440 --> 00:54:55.920 say it right now, I think trey Ford needs a 1271 00:54:55.920 --> 00:54:58.199 head for the Hills if if that's the case, because 1272 00:54:58.440 --> 00:55:00.880 Rick is probably going to try bring in somebody else, 1273 00:55:00.880 --> 00:55:02.440 and I don't know if that's really the guy that 1274 00:55:02.480 --> 00:55:04.920 I really want coaching trade for it. Sorry, but that's 1275 00:55:04.960 --> 00:55:08.760 my personal take, and so we'll see what happens going forward. 1276 00:55:08.800 --> 00:55:10.840 But yeah, I mean it's good that they have a 1277 00:55:10.880 --> 00:55:13.000 glut of quarterbacks. I'll say that because two years ago 1278 00:55:13.000 --> 00:55:15.559 there was complaints that there were not enough quarterbacks and 1279 00:55:15.559 --> 00:55:17.719 now all of a sudden they have plenty of them. 1280 00:55:19.639 --> 00:55:21.320 Yeah. It was funny, right, wasn't it. 1281 00:55:21.360 --> 00:55:24.199 An ed kind of in his introductory thing with Edmonton 1282 00:55:24.239 --> 00:55:26.320 and he's like, you know, we're intent and we want 1283 00:55:26.320 --> 00:55:28.599 to win, and we're here, and I'm like, do you 1284 00:55:28.679 --> 00:55:31.320 know who you're rumored to be hiring to be your head? 1285 00:55:31.480 --> 00:55:33.360 Like I didn't want to tweet anything because I'm like, 1286 00:55:33.679 --> 00:55:36.960 I don't like hate Rick Campbell demand but I'm like, okay, 1287 00:55:37.039 --> 00:55:39.880 that doesn't speak to the Yeah, yeah, I'm Tray four 1288 00:55:39.880 --> 00:55:41.480 and I get the hell out of there because there's 1289 00:55:41.519 --> 00:55:42.159 no place for that. 1290 00:55:43.159 --> 00:55:45.679 Anything else we'll round out. I thought it was funny. 1291 00:55:45.679 --> 00:55:48.280 It was any anyone had any feel fun stories or 1292 00:55:48.280 --> 00:55:50.280 anything to share here. At the end, I'm glad that 1293 00:55:50.360 --> 00:55:54.719 we got Andy an audience with John Hodge and JC 1294 00:55:55.000 --> 00:55:57.719 with the Three Dom podcast. I was happy to facilitate 1295 00:55:57.760 --> 00:55:59.920 that Jason had to fly back early. We went in 1296 00:56:00.800 --> 00:56:04.639 John Hodge very quiet to me, I did get a. 1297 00:56:04.199 --> 00:56:05.840 Deans for coming handshake. 1298 00:56:06.079 --> 00:56:09.000 The last night there, I was not too chatty with me. 1299 00:56:09.079 --> 00:56:10.920 I talked to her with that Joel guy that works 1300 00:56:11.119 --> 00:56:11.800 with Three Down. 1301 00:56:12.440 --> 00:56:14.360 You know, we talked with jac a little bit. 1302 00:56:14.360 --> 00:56:16.920 I'm glad Andy was able to talk with him. Anyone 1303 00:56:16.960 --> 00:56:19.559 else have any takeaways any other stuff from Vancouver or 1304 00:56:19.559 --> 00:56:22.039 anything else, any other observations. 1305 00:56:24.599 --> 00:56:26.920 Yeah, it was cool to see, you know, just from 1306 00:56:27.079 --> 00:56:30.000 hanging out in the team party headquarters. Just seeing BeO, 1307 00:56:30.159 --> 00:56:33.639 Levi Mitchell and other people walking around. I mean that's 1308 00:56:33.679 --> 00:56:36.039 what is the beauty of the CFL and beauty of 1309 00:56:36.079 --> 00:56:38.599 Gray Cup is just stuff like that you could never 1310 00:56:38.639 --> 00:56:41.079 see in the NFL, where like people are just down 1311 00:56:41.079 --> 00:56:43.400 to earth and personal with you. You can meet anybody, 1312 00:56:43.679 --> 00:56:46.360 and yeah, I just love that about Great Cup week. 1313 00:56:47.199 --> 00:56:49.039 Yeah, it was funny. I was went to the crack 1314 00:56:49.119 --> 00:56:49.679 game last night. 1315 00:56:49.719 --> 00:56:51.559 My buddy was like, oh, so, I does Gray Cup 1316 00:56:51.599 --> 00:56:53.280 like have a big like thing around it. 1317 00:56:53.400 --> 00:56:54.599 I'm like, yeah, that's like. 1318 00:56:55.000 --> 00:56:56.840 Eighty percent of the thing is I go into the 1319 00:56:56.840 --> 00:56:59.159 things around the Great Cup and then the game. Evan, 1320 00:56:59.159 --> 00:57:02.159 any takeaways? Are you anything you enjoyed your experiences Vancouver? 1321 00:57:02.800 --> 00:57:03.239 Uh? 1322 00:57:03.239 --> 00:57:05.760 Well, I do have one funny story. So you know, 1323 00:57:05.800 --> 00:57:08.320 we were in the FRC suite or whatever. I was 1324 00:57:08.360 --> 00:57:10.239 there like eleven to twelve thirty, and then I had 1325 00:57:10.239 --> 00:57:13.039 to go to bed because my flight, my flight back 1326 00:57:13.079 --> 00:57:15.119 out here, I had to connect for Houston. I didn't 1327 00:57:15.119 --> 00:57:18.440 get a like five thirty in the morning, and U 1328 00:57:19.360 --> 00:57:20.840 you know, one of the guys that I was hoping 1329 00:57:20.880 --> 00:57:22.400 to see was Naylor, you know, because I didn't get 1330 00:57:22.400 --> 00:57:23.679 to see him on the show and me and him 1331 00:57:23.679 --> 00:57:27.000 obviously talk a lot, you know, developed their relationship with him. 1332 00:57:27.400 --> 00:57:30.039 So I'm on my way back, you know, the next day, 1333 00:57:30.119 --> 00:57:34.000 right I'm in Houston on my connecting flight, and I'm 1334 00:57:34.039 --> 00:57:35.960 texting Naylor and I'm like, hey, man, I was in 1335 00:57:36.039 --> 00:57:38.559 the suite last night from whatever time to whatever time. 1336 00:57:38.960 --> 00:57:40.599 I was a bit late, but I didn't see it. 1337 00:57:40.639 --> 00:57:43.119 He goes, oh, well, that's interesting. I got there at 1338 00:57:43.119 --> 00:57:45.920 two forty five in the morning and was there till four. 1339 00:57:47.320 --> 00:57:49.840 But yeah, I mean, you know, we'll catch up eventually whatever. 1340 00:57:49.880 --> 00:57:52.159 And I said, well, that would have been great, Dave, 1341 00:57:52.199 --> 00:57:53.960 but I had to get up at five thirty, you 1342 00:57:54.000 --> 00:57:57.199 know for my eight thirty flight, you know. And then 1343 00:57:57.239 --> 00:57:58.760 I and then we joked and I said, well, I 1344 00:57:58.760 --> 00:58:01.039 guess I'm only a rookie, because whatever I thought was 1345 00:58:01.119 --> 00:58:02.000 late clearly is not. 1346 00:58:03.039 --> 00:58:05.119 You know, but now look we had a good time. 1347 00:58:05.159 --> 00:58:07.159 And again even though I was only there for what 1348 00:58:07.320 --> 00:58:10.880 ended up being a bit more than a day, you know, 1349 00:58:10.920 --> 00:58:12.679 we made the most of it, right Like that, Jason 1350 00:58:12.719 --> 00:58:15.920 pointed out that Team Party headquarters thing was fantastic. It 1351 00:58:16.000 --> 00:58:18.880 wasn't Hamilton. And then in BC, just with the setup there, 1352 00:58:20.199 --> 00:58:22.800 you know, at the convention Center. Again, have to give credit, 1353 00:58:22.960 --> 00:58:25.320 like this is a guy we've talked about plenty of 1354 00:58:25.360 --> 00:58:27.519 times and I know, Reed, you're obviously very fond of, 1355 00:58:27.559 --> 00:58:31.159 but like Amar Doman, man, it's incredible to see his 1356 00:58:31.280 --> 00:58:33.719 buy into this league and you can tell he really cares. 1357 00:58:33.760 --> 00:58:37.800 And you know, the that zip line stuff going on there, man, 1358 00:58:37.840 --> 00:58:40.519 I mean that was all just crazy. Like I I 1359 00:58:40.559 --> 00:58:42.679 didn't anticipate that. I had no idea that was even 1360 00:58:42.679 --> 00:58:45.239 going on until I had seen some tweets a couple 1361 00:58:45.239 --> 00:58:46.840 of days before I got there, right when they were 1362 00:58:46.840 --> 00:58:49.239 setting it up for the whole week. You know, just 1363 00:58:49.280 --> 00:58:52.039 an incredible event. Really, Like I thought Hamilton was great, 1364 00:58:52.639 --> 00:58:54.679 but I remember, you know, going to that convention Center 1365 00:58:54.719 --> 00:58:56.880 in BC and thinking there's just so much room here. 1366 00:58:57.199 --> 00:58:58.639 You know, there's so much going on. 1367 00:58:58.880 --> 00:59:01.679 As Jason pointed out too, you know a lot of 1368 00:59:01.719 --> 00:59:04.440 players walking around just very casual. You can strike up 1369 00:59:04.480 --> 00:59:07.280 a conversation with anybody. And that's the great part about, 1370 00:59:07.360 --> 00:59:10.480 you know, what this league offers. Compared to say, you know, 1371 00:59:10.559 --> 00:59:13.400 the NFL or maybe even college football to a degree, 1372 00:59:13.400 --> 00:59:17.480 you just don't really ever get that experience, you know, 1373 00:59:17.519 --> 00:59:19.679 And I know, I had a great time talking to people. 1374 00:59:19.719 --> 00:59:22.119 It's just really easy when you don't have to, you know, 1375 00:59:22.199 --> 00:59:25.639 necessarily coordinate external meetups and everybody's kind of already in 1376 00:59:25.639 --> 00:59:28.679 one place. It's like just one spot where everything's happening, 1377 00:59:28.719 --> 00:59:30.840 and yeah, good time all round. 1378 00:59:31.480 --> 00:59:32.239 Yeah, it was funny. 1379 00:59:32.280 --> 00:59:34.599 I co signed that in Yeah, Andy, I think it's 1380 00:59:34.639 --> 00:59:37.079 computer Daddy's back. I was just I was just resizing 1381 00:59:37.119 --> 00:59:38.840 stuff on my end, and I'm like, oh, did I 1382 00:59:38.880 --> 00:59:40.559 like I hope I didn't kick anyone out or did 1383 00:59:40.559 --> 00:59:44.239 I get dropped off or whatever. But it's cool seeing 1384 00:59:44.280 --> 00:59:47.840 everyone around, and like Evan said, it's in an approachable 1385 00:59:47.840 --> 00:59:50.239 way that Paul and I remember when we did Wrestle 1386 00:59:50.280 --> 00:59:53.039 Mandy eight years ago, and like you might run into 1387 00:59:53.039 --> 00:59:55.519 wrestlers who do whatever, but it's hey, you want a 1388 00:59:55.559 --> 00:59:58.760 photo it's fifty bucks or you know, you want a signature, whatever, 1389 00:59:58.840 --> 01:00:01.280 Hey buy my shirt. Like there's a lot of that 1390 01:00:01.360 --> 01:00:03.559 kind of thing where everybody there, Like you could have 1391 01:00:03.559 --> 01:00:05.719 walked into anyone at any time and said, hey, can 1392 01:00:05.760 --> 01:00:07.800 let me get a photo or a handshake or you know, 1393 01:00:07.880 --> 01:00:09.119 just stay congrats or whatever. 1394 01:00:09.559 --> 01:00:11.159 Really kind of approachable that way. 1395 01:00:11.320 --> 01:00:13.440 Yeah, Tim Light the drone show we did that we 1396 01:00:13.440 --> 01:00:17.360 were in the wrong Evan was late getting in because 1397 01:00:17.400 --> 01:00:19.320 his flight. He wasn't late, he just is fighting it 1398 01:00:19.320 --> 01:00:21.519 in Andy and I and Dorothy went out to see 1399 01:00:21.519 --> 01:00:23.119 that we were on the wrong side of the pier, 1400 01:00:23.159 --> 01:00:25.639 and so we kind of realized it was you know, there. 1401 01:00:25.519 --> 01:00:26.480 Was no like music. 1402 01:00:26.559 --> 01:00:28.960 It would have helped without the announcements or anything with that. 1403 01:00:29.000 --> 01:00:31.079 But I will just say my thing and I'll toss 1404 01:00:31.079 --> 01:00:32.440 to you two guys, will get out of here for 1405 01:00:32.480 --> 01:00:35.679 Thursday night football. Like, I just thought the West Coast 1406 01:00:35.760 --> 01:00:38.320 aspect of it made it so nice. I thought the 1407 01:00:38.400 --> 01:00:42.079 area worked down there great, having the team headquarters, having 1408 01:00:42.119 --> 01:00:44.880 the media row and all that, having the water there, 1409 01:00:45.039 --> 01:00:46.880 I know, the zipline and all that, but you didn't 1410 01:00:46.880 --> 01:00:49.840 even necessarily have that, but everything and then just just 1411 01:00:49.920 --> 01:00:52.599 the game and just not having it be two degrees 1412 01:00:52.679 --> 01:00:54.000 Jason and I understand that. 1413 01:00:54.039 --> 01:00:56.119 Like, okay, in the Canadian League and we need to 1414 01:00:56.119 --> 01:00:56.360 play it. 1415 01:00:56.400 --> 01:00:58.400 But like the fact that you could just sit and 1416 01:00:58.400 --> 01:00:59.880 watch the game and I have to worry about like 1417 01:01:00.079 --> 01:01:02.639 reizing to death win a really long you know. I'm 1418 01:01:02.639 --> 01:01:04.639 not saying it's gotta be an every year thing, but 1419 01:01:04.760 --> 01:01:07.519 like every two to three years. I just it gives 1420 01:01:07.519 --> 01:01:09.440 people you can bring out your kids and stuff you 1421 01:01:09.440 --> 01:01:10.800 don't have to worry about. You know, we got to 1422 01:01:10.800 --> 01:01:13.480 put eighteen layers on them, Like it just made the 1423 01:01:13.480 --> 01:01:16.000 game watching so much more enjoyable. They're like, I could 1424 01:01:16.000 --> 01:01:17.760 just sit there in jeans in the sweatshirt and watch 1425 01:01:17.760 --> 01:01:18.079 the game. 1426 01:01:19.480 --> 01:01:22.559 Yeah, I agree. Like even as a Canadian, don't I 1427 01:01:22.599 --> 01:01:25.000 don't love the cold. I mean, I'm not looking forward 1428 01:01:25.000 --> 01:01:27.239 to how cold it's gonna be next year in Winnipeg, 1429 01:01:27.400 --> 01:01:31.320 especially so I will say the previous two Gray Cups 1430 01:01:31.360 --> 01:01:33.360 and Hamilton are two of the last three years in Hamilton, 1431 01:01:33.599 --> 01:01:37.239 it wasn't that cold, especially the one that was twenty 1432 01:01:37.280 --> 01:01:40.000 twenty one, which was in December, the latest Gray Cup 1433 01:01:40.039 --> 01:01:43.360 ever played. I thought it was, you know, ridiculously warm 1434 01:01:43.400 --> 01:01:48.079 for December. So hopefully it's similar to that in Winnipeg. 1435 01:01:48.679 --> 01:01:52.800 Tell my wife that not anything else, we'll get. 1436 01:01:52.639 --> 01:01:53.039 Out of here. 1437 01:01:55.119 --> 01:01:57.920 I just had an Thralley experience from front to back. 1438 01:01:58.079 --> 01:02:01.599 I know, I'm the rookie here, my first time being there, 1439 01:02:01.719 --> 01:02:05.159 first time being in Vancouver. I loved it from every aspect, 1440 01:02:05.159 --> 01:02:09.239 every angle. I loved going to outside with all the 1441 01:02:09.280 --> 01:02:12.119 different bands playing. I didn't ride any of the zip lines, 1442 01:02:12.159 --> 01:02:14.360 but I loved just seeing how how fun it was. 1443 01:02:14.400 --> 01:02:17.519 People were just so into it. The convention centers were great, 1444 01:02:18.119 --> 01:02:20.199 a lot of things to do, especially for the kids, 1445 01:02:21.119 --> 01:02:23.719 and then the team party HQ's I will say, and 1446 01:02:23.760 --> 01:02:25.239 this is an interesting point that's been brought up by 1447 01:02:25.280 --> 01:02:28.360 a couple of different podcasts. Maybe the space was too big, 1448 01:02:28.400 --> 01:02:30.119 but you know what, I'd rather be too big than 1449 01:02:30.159 --> 01:02:30.639 too small. 1450 01:02:30.679 --> 01:02:32.519 Just my personal standpoint, because you can put in as 1451 01:02:32.599 --> 01:02:33.280 much as you want. 1452 01:02:34.039 --> 01:02:36.320 Go bake or go home. And they certainly did. The 1453 01:02:36.400 --> 01:02:39.519 presentation with a great cup. I thought the national anthem 1454 01:02:39.639 --> 01:02:42.760 was beautiful. I loved the halftime performance. I'm not a 1455 01:02:42.840 --> 01:02:45.119 Jonas Brothers fan, but I think the presentation was great. 1456 01:02:45.119 --> 01:02:48.800 The lighting, the paneling up on the upper rafters at 1457 01:02:48.840 --> 01:02:53.079 BC plays was great. 1458 01:02:52.360 --> 01:02:53.119 You know the biggest thing. 1459 01:02:53.119 --> 01:02:55.559 That my biggest takeaway, especially with all the people that 1460 01:02:55.599 --> 01:02:58.239 we talked to and the things about how you could 1461 01:02:58.280 --> 01:03:00.440 just see coaches, you could see owners. I mean, mar 1462 01:03:00.519 --> 01:03:03.480 Doman was just walking around, you know, on the ground 1463 01:03:03.559 --> 01:03:07.199 floor before the Great cop talking to people. I mean 1464 01:03:07.920 --> 01:03:11.599 from our standpoint, just to understand as America as like Americans, 1465 01:03:12.199 --> 01:03:15.480 there's such a velvet rope aspect, especially in sports, where 1466 01:03:15.519 --> 01:03:18.079 it's like, hey, you know, don't talk to this person, 1467 01:03:18.159 --> 01:03:19.480 like oh, you know, to leave them alone, Like we 1468 01:03:19.719 --> 01:03:21.639 can't have you talk to No, that was not the 1469 01:03:21.679 --> 01:03:22.079 sense here. 1470 01:03:22.159 --> 01:03:22.960 Everybody could talk. 1471 01:03:22.880 --> 01:03:25.079 To anybody at any point about anything, and no one 1472 01:03:25.159 --> 01:03:29.400 was really being harassed. I really love that a lot. Obviously, 1473 01:03:29.480 --> 01:03:33.159 I know you are not the biggest fan, and maybe 1474 01:03:33.159 --> 01:03:34.719 I'm not the biggest fan of them either, read but 1475 01:03:34.760 --> 01:03:37.840 seeing Rick Campbell just walking around in the convention center 1476 01:03:38.000 --> 01:03:38.559 was really cool. 1477 01:03:38.599 --> 01:03:40.599 I mean, I had coaches just you know, hanging out 1478 01:03:40.760 --> 01:03:41.519 like that. 1479 01:03:41.599 --> 01:03:46.039 Part of it is so cool and I really appreciate that. 1480 01:03:46.119 --> 01:03:49.039 I just appreciated all the really just want to shout 1481 01:03:49.039 --> 01:03:51.559 out all the media personnel who were kind to me, 1482 01:03:51.679 --> 01:03:54.239 even though they had never met me personally before, for 1483 01:03:54.280 --> 01:03:56.199 them to just be like, hey, yeah, you're part of 1484 01:03:56.199 --> 01:03:58.400 the troop, like this is this is through space, like 1485 01:03:58.480 --> 01:04:01.440 no hazing, nothing, not saying they would, but like you know, 1486 01:04:01.719 --> 01:04:04.440 sometimes it'd be a little rough in the in the business. 1487 01:04:04.480 --> 01:04:07.039 And so I appreciate it, and I really appreciate being 1488 01:04:07.039 --> 01:04:09.760 part of that process. And I absolutely want to go 1489 01:04:09.800 --> 01:04:13.400 back to Vancouver. I have to say, going to the 1490 01:04:13.440 --> 01:04:16.039 Great Cup is like it's like a drug, you know, 1491 01:04:16.280 --> 01:04:19.400 it really is, And I get why people are so 1492 01:04:19.519 --> 01:04:22.280 into it, why it's so traditional, and if anything else, 1493 01:04:22.719 --> 01:04:25.039 I just wish more people could experience it because it's 1494 01:04:25.079 --> 01:04:25.800 really that great. 1495 01:04:26.719 --> 01:04:28.960 Yeah, Andy, I was really worried the first year we win, 1496 01:04:29.440 --> 01:04:31.320 you know, like would there be some sort of hazy 1497 01:04:31.320 --> 01:04:31.960 either gate. 1498 01:04:31.840 --> 01:04:34.320 Keeping upon and I don't a lot with that online No, I. 1499 01:04:34.280 --> 01:04:37.320 Mean everyone couldn't be nice for both meetiing fans anything else. 1500 01:04:37.440 --> 01:04:41.280 Evan Jason will get out of here, all right. Well, 1501 01:04:41.320 --> 01:04:44.599 thanks to everyone for watching like and subscribe. We will, 1502 01:04:44.679 --> 01:04:46.639 like I said, probably go dark here. I know we're 1503 01:04:46.639 --> 01:04:49.639 going to have the UFL schedule coming out look for 1504 01:04:50.000 --> 01:04:51.480 you know, Andy and I might try to figure out 1505 01:04:51.480 --> 01:04:53.920 a stream or something with that when that comes. It's 1506 01:04:53.960 --> 01:04:57.239 been you know many weeks coming, but we'll see. And then, 1507 01:04:57.320 --> 01:04:59.199 like I said, once we start getting some UFL content, 1508 01:04:59.199 --> 01:05:02.320 I get some CFO interviews on here, it's not worth 1509 01:05:02.559 --> 01:05:04.760 the squeeze to get, you know, try to track down 1510 01:05:04.800 --> 01:05:06.599 and whatever to get fifteen minutes and just have it 1511 01:05:06.719 --> 01:05:07.920 die on here with the algorithm. 1512 01:05:08.039 --> 01:05:10.199 So we'll start packaging up some of that stuff. 1513 01:05:10.320 --> 01:05:11.960 We'll be quiet for a little bit, but you know, 1514 01:05:12.119 --> 01:05:14.960 we post everything on here, turn on the bells and notifications, 1515 01:05:15.239 --> 01:05:16.599 subscribe everything else. 1516 01:05:16.719 --> 01:05:17.719 Jason, thanks for coming. 1517 01:05:17.760 --> 01:05:19.360 It was great hanging out with you and Alex and 1518 01:05:19.400 --> 01:05:21.920 Evan making the time and fighting through the flights and 1519 01:05:21.960 --> 01:05:26.199 everything and Andy as always, and I appreciate you know, everyone, 1520 01:05:26.239 --> 01:05:29.039 all the media, everyone else. Couldn't have gone better. We 1521 01:05:29.119 --> 01:05:30.360 will see you guys next time.