WEBVTT 1 00:00:00.200 --> 00:00:02.560 But yeah, hi, thanks so much for coming on. 2 00:00:03.439 --> 00:00:03.839 Of course. 3 00:00:04.080 --> 00:00:06.440 I mean, we very much enjoy having other people to 4 00:00:06.440 --> 00:00:07.639 talk to you about our nerdy shit. 5 00:00:08.000 --> 00:00:11.519 So yeah, like, oh yeah, you know us too. 6 00:00:11.919 --> 00:00:12.800 Yeah, it's good. 7 00:00:13.119 --> 00:00:16.480 But yeah, I'm very excited to talk about this particular 8 00:00:16.559 --> 00:00:17.399 kind of nerdy ship. 9 00:00:18.079 --> 00:00:21.160 I mean, well, the thing is that it's like particularly 10 00:00:21.280 --> 00:00:27.120 wild in my but you know, how on earth can 11 00:00:27.160 --> 00:00:30.879 something be quite so dull and insane at the same time. 12 00:00:30.920 --> 00:00:35.399 You don't know, you don't know the magic of medieval history, baby, but. 13 00:00:35.560 --> 00:00:38.280 Yeah, nice, Okay, I am. I am rolling luckily on 14 00:00:38.320 --> 00:00:40.280 my end now. So that's that's that's the going. 15 00:00:41.079 --> 00:00:41.920 Okay, I am. 16 00:00:41.880 --> 00:00:44.119 Too, got my local going. 17 00:00:44.560 --> 00:00:49.679 You're I simply love to have backup. 18 00:00:49.960 --> 00:00:50.880 It's good to have back up. 19 00:00:51.679 --> 00:00:54.320 Oh yeah, that's why I keep a version of myself 20 00:00:54.359 --> 00:00:55.640 in painting form behind me. 21 00:00:56.759 --> 00:01:00.159 You know, absolutely absolutely. 22 00:01:00.759 --> 00:01:03.520 That is not me, but it does really look like me. 23 00:01:05.799 --> 00:01:07.319 I love that for you. 24 00:01:07.319 --> 00:01:08.959 You had a lot of hair back then. 25 00:01:09.079 --> 00:01:11.439 That was yeah, I know, that was that was the 26 00:01:11.480 --> 00:01:12.760 seventies were a different time. 27 00:01:17.799 --> 00:01:21.079 Oh man, there we go. 28 00:01:21.840 --> 00:01:28.040 That's the sound. That's the sound. It's the sound of 29 00:01:28.079 --> 00:01:28.680 the police. 30 00:01:29.599 --> 00:01:34.840 Wow, not again, Christ I mean, like, I mean I'm 31 00:01:34.959 --> 00:01:37.359 just trying at the moment, you know, as a as 32 00:01:37.400 --> 00:01:41.439 a gentle lady who is not used to being in America. 33 00:01:41.640 --> 00:01:44.560 I'm like getting used once again to like just seeing 34 00:01:44.640 --> 00:01:46.760 like all these heavily arm coups all the time. I'm like, 35 00:01:47.040 --> 00:01:48.239 what the fuck is going on? 36 00:01:48.799 --> 00:01:51.840 It's like they're keeping you safe, That's what's going on. 37 00:01:52.239 --> 00:01:53.599 Yeah, really safe. 38 00:01:53.959 --> 00:01:57.680 You don't like your police state, I know, book. 39 00:01:58.680 --> 00:02:02.159 And it's remarkable because so many more armed police here 40 00:02:02.239 --> 00:02:06.400 in Tacoma, and yet so much more Matthews. So it's 41 00:02:06.439 --> 00:02:09.919 it's crazy how those things don't actually correlate and anyway 42 00:02:10.080 --> 00:02:12.879 share just like well they might correlate, just you know, 43 00:02:12.919 --> 00:02:15.439 in the other direction. God, I swear to like my 44 00:02:15.520 --> 00:02:19.560 brother was shouting to him like the other day and 45 00:02:19.599 --> 00:02:21.840 he's like, yeah, you know, like last time I saw 46 00:02:21.840 --> 00:02:23.879 a gun discharged and I was like, yeah, So, like 47 00:02:23.879 --> 00:02:25.840 I think about my life in London is I don't 48 00:02:25.879 --> 00:02:27.159 have any stories. 49 00:02:27.319 --> 00:02:31.759 Like it's the same thing is when you go to 50 00:02:31.840 --> 00:02:36.000 your required longbow training every Sundays, the same thing is. 51 00:02:36.159 --> 00:02:38.360 You know, it's just a little louder over you. You know, 52 00:02:38.439 --> 00:02:42.280 we we like a little a little pizzazz, you know, 53 00:02:41.800 --> 00:02:46.840 you Brits are you know, stiff upper lipping on you 54 00:02:46.919 --> 00:02:49.879 and keeps it spicy. You're as American as I am. 55 00:02:51.120 --> 00:02:54.000 I mean, you know, signs point to yes. I'm just 56 00:02:54.080 --> 00:02:55.439 kind of like an American who's going. 57 00:02:55.479 --> 00:02:58.120 I meant that. I meant that as a you know, 58 00:02:58.240 --> 00:03:01.800 a point of common and I can understand how it 59 00:03:01.879 --> 00:03:05.159 might have been heard as either an insult or a threat. 60 00:03:05.400 --> 00:03:08.039 I think being called an American these days is an insult. 61 00:03:08.159 --> 00:03:12.120 Yeah, man, isn't that great? Where are you guys gonna 62 00:03:12.120 --> 00:03:13.520 go when this soul collapse? 63 00:03:14.759 --> 00:03:19.439 Well, my roommate is has dual citizenship with Canada, and 64 00:03:19.520 --> 00:03:21.919 so I was going to say, probably Canada, but then 65 00:03:22.120 --> 00:03:24.400 that will probably just become a fifty first state. 66 00:03:24.560 --> 00:03:29.439 So oh that's never ha. I know, I know, I'm 67 00:03:29.479 --> 00:03:31.599 just making sure, like I'm like, all right now, we 68 00:03:31.719 --> 00:03:32.120 gotta be. 69 00:03:32.319 --> 00:03:36.919 Like the valiant Canadian troops are actually going to make 70 00:03:36.960 --> 00:03:39.400 sure that they do not become the fifty first state. 71 00:03:39.439 --> 00:03:44.879 If anything, Yeah, marching under the orders of Imperator fucking 72 00:03:44.960 --> 00:03:49.800 dug Ford become like the great like anti American. 73 00:03:49.960 --> 00:03:52.199 That's the thing. Like, if anything, New England is going 74 00:03:52.240 --> 00:03:54.680 to get an next into Quebec and then New England 75 00:03:54.719 --> 00:03:57.639 will become Francophone and it'll be wild. 76 00:03:57.639 --> 00:04:01.960 A bunch of amure having to learn new language. 77 00:04:02.080 --> 00:04:09.120 Bostonians. Yeah, we got the reverse Irish French connection. 78 00:04:10.520 --> 00:04:12.360 Let's go, let's absolutely go. 79 00:04:13.840 --> 00:04:17.680 Oh all right, well, unfortunately, not unfortunately, but I do 80 00:04:18.519 --> 00:04:20.279 have a time limit because. 81 00:04:20.000 --> 00:04:23.000 I actually I guess that we're gonna have to do 82 00:04:23.399 --> 00:04:24.279 this podcast. 83 00:04:27.480 --> 00:04:33.879 All right, well cool, let's do this. Uh well, I'm 84 00:04:33.920 --> 00:04:36.240 really you know, I'm really bad at uh at like 85 00:04:36.319 --> 00:04:39.879 segues and transitions. I'm like, how should I do this? 86 00:04:39.920 --> 00:04:42.199 And then I realized I've been thinking about how I 87 00:04:42.279 --> 00:04:44.680 need to do the segue or transition. Well, I should 88 00:04:44.680 --> 00:04:46.759 have just said, all right, anyway, let's talk about the. 89 00:04:47.000 --> 00:04:48.879 Yeah, let's talk about some mystery place. 90 00:04:49.120 --> 00:04:52.800 I love being I love being neurotic. It's great. Yeah, 91 00:04:52.839 --> 00:05:30.279 you know here we are all right, here we go. Hello, 92 00:05:30.680 --> 00:05:35.079 and welcome back to We're Not So Different, a podcast 93 00:05:35.079 --> 00:05:38.399 about how we've always been idiots. My name is Luke Waters, 94 00:05:38.759 --> 00:05:43.160 and I am an amateur medievalist, and as always I'm 95 00:05:43.279 --> 00:05:48.959 joined by doctor Eleanor Yannige, who is anything but today, folks, 96 00:05:48.959 --> 00:05:53.360 we got an interview. We don't have a question today 97 00:05:53.360 --> 00:05:55.839 because of that interview. But we're gonna start doing like 98 00:05:55.879 --> 00:05:58.800 an episode of a mailbag episode a month or something 99 00:05:59.519 --> 00:06:03.720 until we can because yeah, we we got to do that. 100 00:06:03.800 --> 00:06:06.399 But anyway, you guys know the deal. If you want 101 00:06:06.439 --> 00:06:09.560 to subscribe to the Patreon and give us questions, you know, 102 00:06:09.720 --> 00:06:12.319 the patreon dot comst w nist pot. I'm not doing 103 00:06:12.319 --> 00:06:15.439 the whole spiel. We got people here, we got things. 104 00:06:15.160 --> 00:06:17.879 To do ourselves in front of the guests you got. 105 00:06:18.120 --> 00:06:20.600 We don't want to We don't want to embarrass ourselves 106 00:06:20.600 --> 00:06:22.639 in front of in front of royalty. 107 00:06:23.720 --> 00:06:26.399 What oh god, see when did that happen? 108 00:06:27.240 --> 00:06:30.079 Oh I'm I wondered why my head was so much 109 00:06:30.160 --> 00:06:34.480 heavier to it was. 110 00:06:33.680 --> 00:06:40.879 All those hollow crowns you have back here, hal the 111 00:06:40.959 --> 00:06:42.480 solid ones light. 112 00:06:43.240 --> 00:06:45.120 Oh man, hollow. 113 00:06:44.839 --> 00:06:47.519 Snake was definitely my favorite character, I think in Middle Gear. 114 00:06:51.560 --> 00:06:54.879 Oh man, all right, it's gone good. 115 00:06:55.319 --> 00:06:58.959 Hollow Snake. Oh, folks, we're here today to talk about 116 00:06:59.040 --> 00:07:01.240 mystery plays. What the hell are they am? 117 00:07:01.240 --> 00:07:01.639 I right? 118 00:07:02.360 --> 00:07:04.800 Oh yeah, that's the kind of thing you're listening to 119 00:07:04.839 --> 00:07:06.639 the show to find out. Well, if you don't know 120 00:07:07.160 --> 00:07:11.279 the name, mystery play might evoke ideas of dramatic stories 121 00:07:11.279 --> 00:07:14.560 that involve someone solving crimes being acted out before an audience. 122 00:07:15.000 --> 00:07:17.680 And if that's what you're expecting, well then I've got 123 00:07:17.680 --> 00:07:21.920 one piece of advice. Prepare to be disappointed. If, however, 124 00:07:23.319 --> 00:07:28.160 we're imagining a series of living tableau depicting scenes from 125 00:07:28.199 --> 00:07:31.560 the Bible that were often incorporated into religious ceremonies like 126 00:07:31.680 --> 00:07:35.120 the Mass, well then you're in the right place. But 127 00:07:35.240 --> 00:07:37.839 I hear you ask what mysteries about the Bible are 128 00:07:37.839 --> 00:07:40.759 being solved in these mystery plays. To that, I must reply, 129 00:07:41.319 --> 00:07:46.040 you got a lot of fucking nerve power serious mystery. 130 00:07:47.000 --> 00:07:48.959 I love doing these because I get to talk to myself. 131 00:07:49.000 --> 00:07:52.120 It's fun. But seriously, the mystery as it's used here 132 00:07:52.480 --> 00:07:56.480 refers to the higher mysteries of the spiritual variety, the 133 00:07:56.600 --> 00:08:01.319 miraculous works of God, things of that nature. Now you 134 00:08:01.399 --> 00:08:04.480 might think that sounds pretty boring, like one of those 135 00:08:04.480 --> 00:08:08.319 outdoor Nativity scenes that churches in America do around Christmas. 136 00:08:08.480 --> 00:08:10.920 And my church did that. I did for many years. 137 00:08:10.920 --> 00:08:14.040 As did you get to play Baby Jesus. 138 00:08:14.399 --> 00:08:15.199 No, I was. 139 00:08:15.519 --> 00:08:18.639 I was the child shepherd and I was standing out 140 00:08:18.680 --> 00:08:22.319 there while the live sheep that we had was strangling 141 00:08:22.360 --> 00:08:24.000 itself on its own leash. 142 00:08:25.040 --> 00:08:27.519 Was it just was it just a sheep or were 143 00:08:27.560 --> 00:08:29.560 there other animals as well? I'm not sure. I remember 144 00:08:29.560 --> 00:08:30.160 you talking about that. 145 00:08:30.240 --> 00:08:34.720 We had three sheep and the church also owned a donkey. 146 00:08:34.879 --> 00:08:39.519 I will never forget the day that the pastor opened 147 00:08:39.559 --> 00:08:44.440 his sermon with just some news everyone, the first Baptist 148 00:08:44.519 --> 00:08:47.679 Church of Gallup, New Mexico's donkey went to be home 149 00:08:47.720 --> 00:08:51.480 with the Lord on Wednesday after Yes. 150 00:08:51.960 --> 00:08:57.000 Yes, look, I I was vers I was. I was 151 00:08:57.080 --> 00:09:02.000 raised in evangelical Christianity. Let's go, and I've been. I've 152 00:09:02.000 --> 00:09:03.799 been an atheist for a long while. But I will 153 00:09:03.840 --> 00:09:07.440 be honest. If your version of heaven doesn't include animals, 154 00:09:07.679 --> 00:09:10.679 I don't want to fucking hear about it. If you 155 00:09:10.799 --> 00:09:12.759 if you can't take a dog or a cat, or 156 00:09:12.799 --> 00:09:15.440 a beloved donkey up to heaven with you, then what 157 00:09:15.519 --> 00:09:16.919 the fuck is even the point? 158 00:09:17.759 --> 00:09:18.159 Donkey? 159 00:09:18.639 --> 00:09:21.279 Yeah, I had a donkey growing up. And also just 160 00:09:21.320 --> 00:09:24.440 a huge segue to talk about uh, you know, growing 161 00:09:24.480 --> 00:09:26.600 up in Takoa, we had this donkey whose name was 162 00:09:26.679 --> 00:09:27.639 Edgar Rice Burrough. 163 00:09:31.399 --> 00:09:33.200 He was always of course you did. 164 00:09:33.639 --> 00:09:36.039 He was always breaking out and like a Tibetan, mastiffs 165 00:09:36.039 --> 00:09:38.480 would always break out with him because they were like, 166 00:09:38.519 --> 00:09:40.120 I need to shepherd by donkey. 167 00:09:40.799 --> 00:09:42.480 And once the. 168 00:09:42.720 --> 00:09:45.720 Donkey kicked lights out of a bus that honked at 169 00:09:45.759 --> 00:09:47.480 him because he was standing in the middle of the road. 170 00:09:47.480 --> 00:09:49.519 And we've got this giant Tibetan master who's. 171 00:09:49.240 --> 00:09:50.879 Like a fucking touch my donkey. 172 00:09:51.000 --> 00:09:51.759 Oh yeah, to. 173 00:09:51.879 --> 00:09:55.039 Do it anyway, Like my parents copped a misdemeanor on 174 00:09:55.120 --> 00:09:59.080 that one. Anyway. WHOA. I was chatting about this last 175 00:09:59.159 --> 00:10:03.200 night to my homeboy, who teaches high school history here 176 00:10:03.200 --> 00:10:06.679 in Tacoba, and he also teaches the thing about urban animals, 177 00:10:06.879 --> 00:10:10.279 and he's like, well, it's illegal to have donkeys in 178 00:10:10.320 --> 00:10:11.759 Tacoba and I was like, well, we were living in 179 00:10:11.840 --> 00:10:13.639 Lakewood at the time, and he goes, it's also illegal 180 00:10:13.679 --> 00:10:14.840 to have donkeys liquids. 181 00:10:17.840 --> 00:10:20.720 Shut up, shut up. 182 00:10:21.200 --> 00:10:25.320 Apparently my family is probably the reason why you're not 183 00:10:25.360 --> 00:10:26.320 allowed to have a donkey. 184 00:10:26.440 --> 00:10:29.240 Oh there you go. 185 00:10:29.440 --> 00:10:30.000 I call it. 186 00:10:30.080 --> 00:10:34.960 The people cannot be trusted, and I want to be 187 00:10:35.000 --> 00:10:36.440 so real with you. We cannot. 188 00:10:36.799 --> 00:10:39.639 Oh my god, let me let me finish this. I 189 00:10:39.639 --> 00:10:46.840 can introduce him. Oh my god. Yeah, no, no, you're good. 190 00:10:46.879 --> 00:10:50.080 I yeah, you know. I must admit that there are 191 00:10:50.120 --> 00:10:52.519 several million other things I could think of that I'd 192 00:10:52.600 --> 00:10:54.919 rather do than doing a mystery play. But as we've 193 00:10:54.960 --> 00:10:59.000 noted many times on the show, preaching and religious activities 194 00:10:59.360 --> 00:11:04.679 were popular culture for medieval Europeans. Ough Man, what what 195 00:11:04.799 --> 00:11:07.919 a bereft time? Now, I'm just kidding. These mystery plays 196 00:11:07.960 --> 00:11:11.320 allowed them to experience the biblical stories they heard in 197 00:11:11.399 --> 00:11:14.600 mass and sermons through a different visual medium, and they 198 00:11:14.600 --> 00:11:18.720 were a hit, especially in Spain and England. Over time, 199 00:11:18.960 --> 00:11:22.759 they developed entire cycles or series of plays focusing on 200 00:11:22.919 --> 00:11:26.399 certain topics or characters. But they also became more secularized 201 00:11:26.480 --> 00:11:29.080 after the pope pulled a medieval footloose and forbade the 202 00:11:29.120 --> 00:11:32.960 clergy from doing any more acting on stage. Can you 203 00:11:33.039 --> 00:11:42.559 imagine not letting those queens act? Good God. This moved 204 00:11:42.639 --> 00:11:45.840 the mystery plays from the churches to town guilds, who 205 00:11:45.879 --> 00:11:49.559 began producing and putting them on, even moving into fully 206 00:11:49.600 --> 00:11:52.320 secular stories. But we're not here to talk about mystery 207 00:11:52.360 --> 00:11:56.639 plays alone. We've got guests Brian Alford, Josh Borman, and 208 00:11:56.799 --> 00:12:00.679 AJ Ditty from the Worst of All Possible Worlds podcas Caids. Hello, 209 00:12:00.799 --> 00:12:04.039 I wanted to come on this show to talk about 210 00:12:04.039 --> 00:12:07.600 this topic, specifically, Brian, Josh and Aj thank you so 211 00:12:07.679 --> 00:12:09.720 much for being here. How the hell are you? 212 00:12:10.240 --> 00:12:12.919 Hey? Thank you for having us. I guess we'll each 213 00:12:13.000 --> 00:12:15.440 introduce ourselves. You won't be able to tell us a 214 00:12:15.480 --> 00:12:18.399 part listener, even people who listen to our show, and 215 00:12:18.440 --> 00:12:20.480 we have listened to our show for like the almost 216 00:12:20.519 --> 00:12:22.759 two hundred episodes we've been going now still can't tell 217 00:12:22.840 --> 00:12:26.519 us apart. But I'm Josh. You can sort of differentiate 218 00:12:26.559 --> 00:12:30.600 me because I swear more and I say I do 219 00:12:30.639 --> 00:12:31.360 that more often. 220 00:12:31.919 --> 00:12:36.799 And Josh also, Josh also has a Michigan accent. Yeah, Brian, 221 00:12:36.919 --> 00:12:40.120 by the way, I have a new Mexican accent. 222 00:12:40.159 --> 00:12:44.279 I don't know, Yeah, And I'm a j and I 223 00:12:44.320 --> 00:12:47.000 have a San Diego accent, which means about as much 224 00:12:47.080 --> 00:12:48.399 as a New Mexico accent. 225 00:12:49.720 --> 00:12:52.840 I feel, you know, as someone from the Puget Sound area. 226 00:12:53.080 --> 00:12:57.759 Word apparently, I say you's weird. I say the you 227 00:12:57.960 --> 00:13:01.759 and bullet weird. That's sort of do you say no? 228 00:13:01.799 --> 00:13:13.799 I don't say boo, but yeah, no, sweetish ship. 229 00:13:15.360 --> 00:13:16.440 Sounds more Nordic to me. 230 00:13:17.759 --> 00:13:21.519 You know, I don't know. Look, I barely. If I 231 00:13:21.559 --> 00:13:23.639 get too riled up, you'll start to hear me sound, 232 00:13:23.679 --> 00:13:26.000 you know, start to sound a little bit like foghorn leghorns, 233 00:13:26.360 --> 00:13:29.159 you know, from the great State of Gelgia. 234 00:13:30.519 --> 00:13:33.080 Well, thank you so much for having us on though, 235 00:13:33.399 --> 00:13:35.480 where We're really excited because we all sort of have 236 00:13:35.720 --> 00:13:40.639 our own experiences with the mystery plays. Like Eleanor reached 237 00:13:40.679 --> 00:13:42.679 out to me not too long ago, and at first 238 00:13:42.759 --> 00:13:44.600 I was like, well, you know, we I could just 239 00:13:44.639 --> 00:13:48.120 come on and riff. But then I realized, oh, ship, 240 00:13:48.120 --> 00:13:51.840 there's like one thing about medieval history that we all 241 00:13:52.039 --> 00:13:55.360 sort of know about and have direct personal experience with. 242 00:13:55.559 --> 00:13:57.000 So I'm very excited to talk about it. 243 00:13:57.159 --> 00:13:58.840 Okay, Yeah, So I want to start you guys there, 244 00:13:58.879 --> 00:14:03.639 because how the fuck do you have trug? Oh? 245 00:14:04.080 --> 00:14:05.399 Oh, Hellen, I need. 246 00:14:07.000 --> 00:14:10.080 Allow me to allow me to elaborate on a little 247 00:14:10.120 --> 00:14:14.799 thing called the Mysteries, which was a play that was 248 00:14:14.879 --> 00:14:17.759 done at the Flea Theater, a theater we can mention 249 00:14:17.879 --> 00:14:21.799 because this is not our podcast, right, we will our show, 250 00:14:23.039 --> 00:14:25.679 but we can name it wherever else. And this was 251 00:14:25.799 --> 00:14:31.919 a modern adaptation of the York Mystery Cycle. Commissioned fifty 252 00:14:32.000 --> 00:14:34.559 one play rights, which was whittled down to forty eight 253 00:14:34.679 --> 00:14:38.240 because three of the plays were really bad. 254 00:14:38.399 --> 00:14:41.320 And I'm considering the things that did make. 255 00:14:41.200 --> 00:14:44.960 The Yeah, there was one that involved a potato witch. 256 00:14:45.039 --> 00:14:47.240 That was the funniest thing I've ever seen in my life, 257 00:14:47.320 --> 00:14:49.720 but was also probably the worst. 258 00:14:51.120 --> 00:14:56.159 And so witches wait, sorry, thank you, thank you was 259 00:14:56.200 --> 00:14:59.320 the witch of potato. No, no, she just kept throwing 260 00:14:59.360 --> 00:15:00.320 potatoes at people. 261 00:15:00.399 --> 00:15:03.559 Oh I know, I'm so fat and I love Burger 262 00:15:03.679 --> 00:15:07.399 so much potato, which like a potatoes. 263 00:15:08.559 --> 00:15:18.799 Yes, that was up. But yeah. 264 00:15:18.919 --> 00:15:21.279 So basically, each one of these playwrights took one of 265 00:15:21.320 --> 00:15:24.639 the episodes of the mysteries, like like in the way 266 00:15:24.720 --> 00:15:28.039 that you know in in actual mystery plays, like guilds 267 00:15:28.080 --> 00:15:30.360 would take on like one of the stories, and then 268 00:15:30.440 --> 00:15:32.720 they would write their version of it. 269 00:15:32.759 --> 00:15:35.879 And ours was a very queer, very modern, very. 270 00:15:35.720 --> 00:15:38.279 Secular version of the story, or it tried to like 271 00:15:38.320 --> 00:15:40.399 it's best to be uh it was. 272 00:15:40.440 --> 00:15:40.720 It was. 273 00:15:41.320 --> 00:15:43.519 It was queer in the sense that like a lot 274 00:15:43.519 --> 00:15:47.720 of people got their tits out and like sometimes and 275 00:15:47.759 --> 00:15:50.039 sometimes you have dudes making out and sometimes you'd have 276 00:15:50.080 --> 00:15:50.840 girls making out. 277 00:15:50.840 --> 00:15:55.279 But like literally every picture online, any article that's written 278 00:15:55.279 --> 00:15:57.879 about the Mysteries, there's just a picture of Colin Waite. 279 00:15:58.440 --> 00:16:01.720 Yes you sexy jesus, Yeah, just. 280 00:16:01.759 --> 00:16:06.360 Like looking absolutely fantastic. 281 00:16:06.759 --> 00:16:08.799 All of that one just doing crunches. 282 00:16:08.919 --> 00:16:12.879 So did the three of you do this together? 283 00:16:13.279 --> 00:16:17.360 So I did, Yeah, Josh Josh AJ worked on it. 284 00:16:18.039 --> 00:16:20.600 I was still in college, but I was a theater 285 00:16:20.720 --> 00:16:26.399 major and study history and and so my my way 286 00:16:26.440 --> 00:16:30.519 into like medieval mystery plays is mostly through like every 287 00:16:30.600 --> 00:16:35.279 Man or the Second Shepherd's Play or the Brome Abraham 288 00:16:35.320 --> 00:16:38.000 and Isaac, and I think the Second Shepherds is part. 289 00:16:37.840 --> 00:16:40.840 Of the Wakefield cycle, so not the York cycle. 290 00:16:41.039 --> 00:16:42.440 Yeah. 291 00:16:42.600 --> 00:16:44.279 The fact that I mean, but I'll be honest with 292 00:16:44.320 --> 00:16:48.240 the fact that you'll know any of that is no. 293 00:16:48.279 --> 00:16:50.799 And I'm and I'm being completely serious here. It's it's 294 00:16:50.799 --> 00:16:54.360 really cool because like this is something that I like, 295 00:16:54.440 --> 00:16:56.600 I mean, when I started the show, I didn't know 296 00:16:57.120 --> 00:16:59.840 a ton about medieval history, and yeah, and I've learned 297 00:16:59.879 --> 00:17:01.919 some much from Eleanor, but this is even something where 298 00:17:01.960 --> 00:17:03.759 I was like, I have to remind myself what this 299 00:17:03.879 --> 00:17:06.359 is because we've mentioned it a you know, a handful 300 00:17:06.400 --> 00:17:08.240 of times, we haven't really done it. So the fact 301 00:17:08.240 --> 00:17:11.319 that all three of you have a knowledge either working 302 00:17:11.400 --> 00:17:16.200 knowledge or you know, background academic knowledge of it is 303 00:17:16.319 --> 00:17:16.880 really cool. 304 00:17:17.160 --> 00:17:19.759 I mean, it is. It is literally how Aj and 305 00:17:19.799 --> 00:17:21.640 I met was doing that. 306 00:17:23.079 --> 00:17:23.440 Yeah. 307 00:17:23.519 --> 00:17:27.279 AJJ acted in it and I was the wardrobe manager. 308 00:17:28.440 --> 00:17:30.519 Yes, which with a cast of I think it was 309 00:17:30.599 --> 00:17:35.279 fifty four actors, a lot of costumes, all unpaid, six 310 00:17:35.359 --> 00:17:40.759 hours very we got very sweaty in them, and it 311 00:17:40.839 --> 00:17:41.440 was gross. 312 00:17:41.519 --> 00:17:42.839 It was a gross, gross time. 313 00:17:43.440 --> 00:17:47.559 So I've got a question. So you're doing in theory, 314 00:17:47.680 --> 00:17:49.200 you know, fifty one, but that didn't happen. So you 315 00:17:49.240 --> 00:17:51.559 did forty eight plays as a part of the cycle. 316 00:17:52.119 --> 00:17:57.599 So was that like once a week or no? No, 317 00:17:57.640 --> 00:17:59.480 how was this happening? I don't know. 318 00:18:00.200 --> 00:18:03.440 Along for the most part, they were all about ten 319 00:18:03.480 --> 00:18:05.920 minutes some of actually they got it down to I 320 00:18:05.960 --> 00:18:08.640 think most of them were around five to eight at 321 00:18:08.640 --> 00:18:10.319 a certain point, because it had to fit into a 322 00:18:10.359 --> 00:18:13.720 six hour time frame, otherwise it was violating ordinances in 323 00:18:13.720 --> 00:18:16.799 the city. If we went past midnight, the upstairs neighbors 324 00:18:16.799 --> 00:18:20.279 would call, you know, four one one on us, basically. 325 00:18:20.720 --> 00:18:23.640 Three one one three one one, thank you. I would 326 00:18:23.680 --> 00:18:24.759 like information on them. 327 00:18:29.519 --> 00:18:33.079 So and so we were there, uh, basically we also 328 00:18:33.319 --> 00:18:33.920 in between. 329 00:18:34.359 --> 00:18:35.359 There were three acts to it. 330 00:18:35.359 --> 00:18:37.960 The first act was the entire Old Testament, which kind 331 00:18:37.960 --> 00:18:40.000 of felt like rushing through a lot of that, and 332 00:18:40.039 --> 00:18:45.079 then Act two was Jesus' birth to ministry, and then 333 00:18:45.240 --> 00:18:49.559 Act three was the Crucifixion through revelation, and uh, it 334 00:18:49.599 --> 00:18:52.440 was very sort of Jesus heavy in Jesus forward as 335 00:18:52.480 --> 00:18:55.720 the mystery plays themselves in the Mystery sycle obviously were 336 00:18:56.160 --> 00:18:58.400 and there was also food, right like you guys, they 337 00:18:58.440 --> 00:19:00.920 were served food. Yeah, there were two intermissions, so the 338 00:19:00.960 --> 00:19:03.079 first intermission was a half hour break to eat dinner, 339 00:19:03.119 --> 00:19:05.160 and then the second intermission was a half hour break 340 00:19:05.200 --> 00:19:08.559 to have dessert, and both of those were served by 341 00:19:08.559 --> 00:19:16.920 the actors again unpaid. Sweaty to the hottest we've ever been, 342 00:19:17.039 --> 00:19:22.200 I will say, but we were sexy in a way that, like, 343 00:19:22.279 --> 00:19:23.920 you know, a way I think that may have like 344 00:19:24.279 --> 00:19:26.160 tipped some of the reviews honestly. 345 00:19:26.079 --> 00:19:29.079 But yeah, that's how. 346 00:19:28.920 --> 00:19:31.880 We That's that's how I met most of my artistic 347 00:19:31.880 --> 00:19:34.079 collaborators that I still work with today. 348 00:19:34.119 --> 00:19:36.000 And it's also how I met my spouse. 349 00:19:36.400 --> 00:19:39.839 So, you know, kind of I wish we would have 350 00:19:39.880 --> 00:19:44.119 gotten paid and that it wasn't just a cult basically that. 351 00:19:44.000 --> 00:19:46.079 We were a part of for a brief period of time. 352 00:19:46.160 --> 00:19:48.400 But yeah, I mean, look, Josh and I met out 353 00:19:48.400 --> 00:19:51.359 of it, and that's obviously led to some really wonderful stuff. 354 00:19:51.640 --> 00:19:56.720 And all it took was Josh washing my horribly horribly 355 00:19:56.759 --> 00:19:57.759 sweaty scarves. 356 00:19:57.839 --> 00:19:59.720 That that's right the show. 357 00:20:00.319 --> 00:20:04.279 And you guys, you guys simultaneously riffed on a joke 358 00:20:04.319 --> 00:20:06.039 together and you looked at each other and you're like, 359 00:20:06.079 --> 00:20:08.680 no way, no way, We're going to start a podcast. 360 00:20:08.720 --> 00:20:09.279 And you know. 361 00:20:09.599 --> 00:20:10.640 It wasn't not that. 362 00:20:11.119 --> 00:20:14.559 Yeah, that was basically like we didn't actually start the 363 00:20:14.599 --> 00:20:18.680 podcast until more recently, Like with this mysteries was like 364 00:20:18.759 --> 00:20:20.799 a decade plus ago at this point. 365 00:20:21.920 --> 00:20:25.759 Four Yeah. Nice, Oh wow, eleven years. 366 00:20:26.079 --> 00:20:28.839 How dare you point out that twenty fourteen was eleven years? 367 00:20:28.920 --> 00:20:29.000 Right? 368 00:20:32.240 --> 00:20:35.839 All right, now, I don't appreciate that, but I. 369 00:20:36.319 --> 00:20:43.599 Do have remember remember Obama who remembers the the time 370 00:20:43.640 --> 00:20:45.599 he wore Khakis that the. 371 00:20:48.279 --> 00:20:50.799 Only the only problem he ever had. 372 00:20:53.680 --> 00:20:54.160 Totally. 373 00:20:54.240 --> 00:20:57.799 Yeah, anyway, I do have one of the questions, So 374 00:20:57.880 --> 00:21:01.680 this was commissioned by a living human being and not 375 00:21:01.799 --> 00:21:02.720 a time traveler? 376 00:21:03.319 --> 00:21:07.000 It was? It was? In fact, yeah, it was. 377 00:21:07.319 --> 00:21:10.160 It was sort of the brainchild of Edis Kandar, who 378 00:21:10.279 --> 00:21:13.400 was the director slash cult leader in charge of that 379 00:21:13.440 --> 00:21:17.160 particular production and also the Flea Theater itself, I think 380 00:21:17.200 --> 00:21:20.519 put out a commission for it. Basically they wanted big, 381 00:21:20.559 --> 00:21:22.880 grandiose things because that director had done a thing called 382 00:21:22.920 --> 00:21:26.079 These Seven Sicknesses, which was an adaptation of like a 383 00:21:26.119 --> 00:21:29.039 whole Oedipus cycle I think, and which was also six hours. 384 00:21:28.839 --> 00:21:30.480 And then that was a really big hit for the 385 00:21:30.480 --> 00:21:31.920 theater a few years earlier. 386 00:21:32.200 --> 00:21:35.839 And then they did Rescom, which was a restoration comedy. 387 00:21:36.000 --> 00:21:38.599 I know, there was like a six hour play, a 388 00:21:38.799 --> 00:21:42.160 mashup of all kinds of restoration comedies, which are also 389 00:21:42.400 --> 00:21:43.279 not very good. 390 00:21:44.440 --> 00:21:47.079 I mean, I mean, I make the joke, but it's 391 00:21:47.079 --> 00:21:49.640 cool that like they let you guys just go in 392 00:21:49.680 --> 00:21:55.119 there and do a queer and alternative retaillings of the 393 00:21:55.160 --> 00:21:57.160 Bible and know them was like, hey, man, what the 394 00:21:57.200 --> 00:22:00.319 fuck you know? I mean it was in New York, but. 395 00:22:00.400 --> 00:22:01.920 I mean the people who own the rights to the 396 00:22:01.920 --> 00:22:04.200 Beatles soundtrack got very upset with us and sent us 397 00:22:04.200 --> 00:22:04.880 a season assist. 398 00:22:04.920 --> 00:22:06.519 So how long that we sing? 399 00:22:07.759 --> 00:22:09.240 Was it was that for the scene where you ended 400 00:22:09.319 --> 00:22:10.119 up singing the killers? 401 00:22:10.519 --> 00:22:13.799