WEBVTT 1 00:00:00.320 --> 00:00:06.879 You're listening to KFI AM six forty on demand discernment. 2 00:00:08.519 --> 00:00:12.160 We have people call up every single week talking about discernment, 3 00:00:12.199 --> 00:00:15.919 and it's an important question and each case may pose 4 00:00:16.079 --> 00:00:20.199 a different look at the word and the action of discernment. 5 00:00:22.800 --> 00:00:26.839 But today I want you to think about the day 6 00:00:26.879 --> 00:00:31.239 to day circumstances that you have to judge, both spiritual 7 00:00:31.280 --> 00:00:36.520 and physical, and how to fine tune yourself to that 8 00:00:36.679 --> 00:00:42.679 place of good discernment, that place of having the sense 9 00:00:42.719 --> 00:00:45.759 of an old cow and eating the hay and leaving 10 00:00:45.759 --> 00:00:53.000 the sticks. Sometimes it's it's not always as cut and 11 00:00:53.079 --> 00:00:57.679 dry as you'd like, And to develop the ability to 12 00:00:58.359 --> 00:01:07.680 sift through things is a it's a great tool. So 13 00:01:07.799 --> 00:01:10.439 today I want to talk about what scripture has to 14 00:01:10.519 --> 00:01:16.920 say about discernment. Often, discernment is talked about in scripture 15 00:01:16.959 --> 00:01:21.040 as judging, having the wherewithal to make a decision between 16 00:01:21.120 --> 00:01:27.200 two or more options or things. But that word judge 17 00:01:27.319 --> 00:01:32.159 or judgment takes on a negative connotation sometimes and people 18 00:01:32.200 --> 00:01:37.640 get the word confused. One Corinthians two fifteen says, but 19 00:01:37.799 --> 00:01:45.480 he that is spiritual judges all things. Matthew seven to 20 00:01:45.560 --> 00:01:52.480 one says, judge not lest you be judged and people 21 00:01:52.519 --> 00:01:54.840 get caught up in that, and the believer looks around 22 00:01:54.840 --> 00:01:58.239 and says, okay, I'm not supposed to judge. And unfortunately 23 00:01:58.239 --> 00:02:01.480 the world looks at this and they remember only the 24 00:02:01.519 --> 00:02:04.079 parts of scripture that they can use in some sort 25 00:02:04.120 --> 00:02:09.080 of defense of their own ways and actions. They remember 26 00:02:09.120 --> 00:02:13.680 this and they say, look, see it says, don't judge. 27 00:02:13.800 --> 00:02:17.719 But you need to learn to know the difference when 28 00:02:17.759 --> 00:02:22.719 scripture uses the word judgment and how it's meant. Does 29 00:02:22.800 --> 00:02:28.719 it mean discernment or does it mean criticism? The Late 30 00:02:28.800 --> 00:02:34.879 Great New Testament scholar F. F. Bruce pen this judgment 31 00:02:35.000 --> 00:02:37.840 is an ambiguous word in Greek, as it is in English. 32 00:02:38.599 --> 00:02:42.120 It may mean sitting in judgment on people or even 33 00:02:42.199 --> 00:02:46.280 condemning them, or it may mean exercising a proper discrimination. 34 00:02:47.120 --> 00:02:53.319 In the former sense, judgment is depreciated. In the latter sense, 35 00:02:53.479 --> 00:02:58.919 it is recommended. So knowing the difference of when to 36 00:03:00.120 --> 00:03:04.560 of what discerning is, and if you're in judgment or 37 00:03:04.560 --> 00:03:13.080 in criticism versus you're actually analyzing a situation, discerning when 38 00:03:13.159 --> 00:03:15.360 something is good for you or bad for you, or 39 00:03:15.400 --> 00:03:21.319 good for the situation or bad for the situation. You 40 00:03:21.400 --> 00:03:25.599 need to look deep into things it's very easy to 41 00:03:25.639 --> 00:03:29.120 get to that place where where you kind of just 42 00:03:29.159 --> 00:03:33.439 look at the surface. You concern your things yourself with 43 00:03:33.520 --> 00:03:37.879 the things that are our surface or topical, rather than 44 00:03:37.919 --> 00:03:42.840 digging deep. Tewod Corinthians ten to seven warns against this. 45 00:03:43.000 --> 00:03:45.719 It says that you are looking only at the surface 46 00:03:45.719 --> 00:03:52.080 of things that doesn't have benefit. John seven twenty fours 47 00:03:52.159 --> 00:03:57.759 is stop judging by mere appearances and make a right judgment, 48 00:03:59.520 --> 00:04:02.520 implying there that a right judgment is not made simply 49 00:04:02.560 --> 00:04:09.240 by appearance. That's when judgement becomes a problem, when it's 50 00:04:10.800 --> 00:04:16.319 it's you only looking at the the most surface part 51 00:04:16.360 --> 00:04:20.560 of the issue and making a judgment, trying to jump 52 00:04:20.639 --> 00:04:24.160 to a quick conclusion, rather than really understanding what's taking 53 00:04:24.199 --> 00:04:30.439 place and why. And this becomes a huge part of discernment, 54 00:04:32.360 --> 00:04:41.279 understanding and making that conclusion or judging things properly. You 55 00:04:41.360 --> 00:04:45.600 know this by testing things, by examining everything as first 56 00:04:45.639 --> 00:04:52.360 Thessalonians five twenty one says, examine everything carefully, hold fast 57 00:04:52.360 --> 00:04:56.279 to that which is good. We talk about that constantly 58 00:04:56.319 --> 00:04:59.360 on the program to test all things, holding fast to 59 00:04:59.399 --> 00:05:03.839 that which is good. It's okay to examine, to probe, 60 00:05:03.920 --> 00:05:09.399 to ask questions, even about your own faith, because in 61 00:05:09.480 --> 00:05:13.800 doing so, it shows one its value and that you 62 00:05:13.959 --> 00:05:19.439 care about it enough to know the question to be curious. 63 00:05:20.079 --> 00:05:24.519 But two, it's it's you not just giving into the surface. 64 00:05:28.000 --> 00:05:30.959 As John seven said, You're not judging by mere appearance. 65 00:05:31.639 --> 00:05:34.480 You're trying to make the right decision and the right judgment, 66 00:05:34.480 --> 00:05:39.399 and that comes from examining everything, looking at all sides. 67 00:05:39.439 --> 00:05:42.519 How many times on this very program does someone call 68 00:05:42.600 --> 00:05:46.480 up about a job situation that's a tough decision, and 69 00:05:46.560 --> 00:05:51.759 oftentimes there's moving involved, more money involve, less money involved, 70 00:05:51.920 --> 00:05:54.920 changes to the family lifestyle. These things should all be 71 00:05:55.000 --> 00:05:58.600 looked at when you want to come to a conclusion 72 00:05:58.720 --> 00:06:02.920 or using proper discernment as to what that decision should be. 73 00:06:05.680 --> 00:06:11.639 Good discernment, although can be craft at ability that can 74 00:06:11.680 --> 00:06:16.639 be honed for speed or to be more efficient. That 75 00:06:16.759 --> 00:06:22.319 it shouldn't be something you rush into. Just like looking 76 00:06:22.360 --> 00:06:26.040 at the appearance of something or scratching at the surface 77 00:06:26.079 --> 00:06:30.759 of a concern a situation, you don't want to rush 78 00:06:30.759 --> 00:06:35.120 into things. Proverbs nineteen two says that it's not good 79 00:06:35.160 --> 00:06:39.680 to have zeal without knowledge, nor to be hasty and 80 00:06:39.720 --> 00:06:49.600 miss the way, because these things are important. Every little 81 00:06:49.680 --> 00:06:53.120 bit of an issue is part of what you should 82 00:06:53.120 --> 00:07:02.000 be looking at, examining is this knowledge so important? Why 83 00:07:02.160 --> 00:07:09.680 is taking the time so important? Because ignorance can bring destruction. 84 00:07:11.120 --> 00:07:15.319 It's not just a lack of knowledge. Ignorance is the 85 00:07:15.439 --> 00:07:18.600 absence of more tools that knowledge that will help you 86 00:07:18.639 --> 00:07:21.240 make the proper decisions that will help you through that 87 00:07:22.480 --> 00:07:30.360 road of discernment. Hoseiah four to six is my people 88 00:07:30.399 --> 00:07:35.759 are destroyed for lack of knowledge, that kind of ignorance 89 00:07:36.839 --> 00:07:40.079 that leads you to a bad decision, or leads you 90 00:07:40.120 --> 00:07:43.560 down a bad road or something not healthy or productive. 91 00:07:44.959 --> 00:07:52.319 It is what you are trying to steer away from. 92 00:07:52.399 --> 00:07:56.800 When you deal with discernment, you're dealing with getting all 93 00:07:56.879 --> 00:08:00.920 of the information you can, ping it in front of 94 00:08:00.959 --> 00:08:06.519 you and examining it, not being surfaced, but going below 95 00:08:08.160 --> 00:08:14.040 and truly analyzing and dissecting what's beneficial for you, what's 96 00:08:14.079 --> 00:08:17.160 beneficial for the whole, for the family, for the group 97 00:08:17.319 --> 00:08:24.000 or community. Even when people start to separate themselves and 98 00:08:24.199 --> 00:08:31.240 just think selfishly, is when greater problems arise. The things 99 00:08:31.240 --> 00:08:35.919 that I command of you, or request or even demand 100 00:08:36.919 --> 00:08:40.639 in scripture are not just to be some sort of 101 00:08:41.639 --> 00:08:46.720 control freak. It really comes down to knowing what's best 102 00:08:46.720 --> 00:08:50.000 for you, knowing what's best for the whole, and asking 103 00:08:50.039 --> 00:08:52.519 you to participate in these things or not to participate, 104 00:08:52.519 --> 00:08:56.600 as the case may be, so that so that you 105 00:08:56.720 --> 00:09:02.240 can be a part of the whole, not in some 106 00:09:02.360 --> 00:09:08.320 strange metaphysical sense, but truly knowing that you are to 107 00:09:08.360 --> 00:09:12.360 communicate worship with one another, spend time with one another, 108 00:09:13.080 --> 00:09:17.320 and even be held responsible for the decisions each person makes. 109 00:09:18.559 --> 00:09:26.639 This is why discernment is so powerful, so potent, so important. 110 00:09:28.840 --> 00:09:31.879 Don't get lost in just your way. In this sense, 111 00:09:32.279 --> 00:09:36.039 in Hoseiah that an entire people are destroyed due to 112 00:09:36.159 --> 00:09:44.840 lack of knowledge, true discernment becomes most valuable. The importance 113 00:09:44.879 --> 00:09:50.639 of discernment cannot be understated, nor can it be overstated. 114 00:09:52.279 --> 00:09:56.039 The importance of being able to discern how you deal 115 00:09:56.080 --> 00:10:01.399 with any situation or any decision or choice in life 116 00:10:03.240 --> 00:10:09.799 is important. However, often people will look beyond scripture and 117 00:10:09.840 --> 00:10:14.240 not really understand that the majority of your decisions can 118 00:10:14.279 --> 00:10:19.159 be understood and applied to the things of Scripture. It's 119 00:10:19.399 --> 00:10:23.759 funny how God does that right, and throughout scripture it 120 00:10:23.840 --> 00:10:29.960 points to ways and understanding and tools to be used 121 00:10:30.000 --> 00:10:33.679 when discerning. Don't look at the surface things. Don't judge 122 00:10:33.720 --> 00:10:38.360 by appearance. Test everything, hold fast to that which is true, 123 00:10:38.440 --> 00:10:45.440 which you can know. Judge using your spiritual knowledge based 124 00:10:45.480 --> 00:10:50.840 on scripture. Know the difference between judgment as far as 125 00:10:51.240 --> 00:10:58.960 criticism versus judgment, as far as discernment, that ignorance can 126 00:10:59.000 --> 00:11:05.519 bring destructure. So to educate, educate yourself, show yourself approved 127 00:11:05.639 --> 00:11:11.240 is imperative. True discernment is is kind of a big 128 00:11:11.279 --> 00:11:14.240 picture thing, not just what's in front of you, but 129 00:11:14.360 --> 00:11:19.919 observing everything around you. This is an interesting verse. Matthew 130 00:11:20.000 --> 00:11:23.960 sixteen three says, and in the morning there will be 131 00:11:24.000 --> 00:11:27.720 a storm today, for the sky is red and threatening. 132 00:11:29.080 --> 00:11:32.159 Do you know how to discern the appearance of the sky, 133 00:11:32.679 --> 00:11:37.759 but cannot discern the signs of the times? And this, 134 00:11:38.080 --> 00:11:42.440 this verse is asking you to pull away from from 135 00:11:42.639 --> 00:11:46.240 just those things that you're seeing or understanding, and using 136 00:11:46.279 --> 00:11:50.639 them as tools to understand the bigger picture, not just 137 00:11:50.720 --> 00:11:53.080 the storm in front of you, but what the season 138 00:11:53.200 --> 00:11:59.799 is or the sign of the times, often a reference 139 00:12:00.679 --> 00:12:05.279 to things that are to come. And you're to discern 140 00:12:05.360 --> 00:12:11.080 things by God's standards. You know the difference to immerse 141 00:12:11.120 --> 00:12:20.279 yourself in God's word is the key John eight fifteen sixteen. 142 00:12:21.840 --> 00:12:27.000 You judge by human standards. But if I do judge, 143 00:12:29.360 --> 00:12:32.120 my decisions are right because I am not alone. I 144 00:12:32.159 --> 00:12:35.440 stand with the Father who sent me. I have much 145 00:12:35.480 --> 00:12:39.320 to say in the judgment of you, but he who 146 00:12:39.440 --> 00:12:42.919 sent me is reliable, and what I have heard from him. 147 00:12:43.039 --> 00:12:48.360 I tell the world that relationship of understanding between that 148 00:12:48.440 --> 00:12:51.799 which you read and known scripture, and that how that 149 00:12:51.840 --> 00:12:57.320 in which you use to apply to everyday life scripture 150 00:12:57.320 --> 00:13:00.080 will help guide you into discernment Hebrews four to twelve. Well, 151 00:13:00.600 --> 00:13:03.399 the Word of God is living in active. It judges 152 00:13:03.440 --> 00:13:11.919 the thoughts and attitudes of the heart. Eric, Welcome to 153 00:13:11.919 --> 00:13:12.840 the Jesus Christ Show. 154 00:13:13.399 --> 00:13:15.919 Yes, hello, I've got a very serious question for you. 155 00:13:16.279 --> 00:13:18.120 Okay, I'll give you a very serious answer. 156 00:13:18.679 --> 00:13:22.600 What is the meaning of our being here? And the 157 00:13:22.720 --> 00:13:25.840 reason I'm asking that is I ran to a crisis, 158 00:13:25.879 --> 00:13:28.519 lost everything that I had. I had a business, had 159 00:13:28.519 --> 00:13:31.320 a nice truck, I had lots of toys, everything like that. 160 00:13:32.000 --> 00:13:34.559 It all went down. So I was just like, what 161 00:13:34.600 --> 00:13:37.200 am I going to do now? So what I ended 162 00:13:37.279 --> 00:13:39.320 up doing I talked to an old friend of mine, 163 00:13:40.000 --> 00:13:42.879 came back to where I grew up, and I tried 164 00:13:42.919 --> 00:13:46.240 to start a charity to help save the lives of 165 00:13:46.320 --> 00:13:51.960 dogs and cats. Fifteen thousand are being utilized every year, 166 00:13:52.720 --> 00:13:57.000 and nationwide it's three or four million every year, and 167 00:13:57.000 --> 00:14:00.120 these are innocent lives. So I tried to certin charity, 168 00:14:00.840 --> 00:14:04.919 you know, to try to change that, and I got 169 00:14:05.200 --> 00:14:09.080 such a negative response from people. It just shocked me. 170 00:14:09.759 --> 00:14:11.639 What what do you mean by negative response? 171 00:14:12.759 --> 00:14:14.879 I talked to people on the phone and they said 172 00:14:14.919 --> 00:14:19.440 they empathized with the situation, but they did nothing to 173 00:14:20.320 --> 00:14:24.440 help me help these animals. So, I mean, I ended 174 00:14:24.519 --> 00:14:28.080 up having to shut it down, get a job, and 175 00:14:28.200 --> 00:14:30.559 I've been struggling ever since to just try to make, 176 00:14:30.759 --> 00:14:34.440 you know, a living for myself while this is going on. 177 00:14:34.559 --> 00:14:37.399 So what I'm wondering is, I mean, I totally devoted 178 00:14:37.879 --> 00:14:41.360 everything that I had to stop this evil that's going on, 179 00:14:42.279 --> 00:14:45.879 and I got absolutely no support from anybody. 180 00:14:46.399 --> 00:14:48.879 Well, I mean, there's a lot of charities and a 181 00:14:48.879 --> 00:14:50.840 lot of good causes out there, wouldn't you agree here? 182 00:14:51.919 --> 00:14:52.240 Of course? 183 00:14:52.519 --> 00:14:54.840 Okay, there's a lot of and people are bombarded by 184 00:14:54.879 --> 00:14:58.200 them on a daily basis, and many people have already 185 00:14:59.039 --> 00:15:03.679 through the maturity their decisions had in their lives have. 186 00:15:04.039 --> 00:15:05.960 You know, they already have charities that they work with 187 00:15:06.080 --> 00:15:09.519 or and sometimes they can't do anything. And something that 188 00:15:09.600 --> 00:15:13.000 is your passion may not be other people's passions as well. 189 00:15:13.080 --> 00:15:15.799 And the whole point I would imagine the purpose of 190 00:15:15.840 --> 00:15:17.919 doing this is not only to stop it, but to 191 00:15:17.960 --> 00:15:20.279 make people aware of it so that it eventually stops 192 00:15:20.320 --> 00:15:23.639 as well. So it's not like just making it stop 193 00:15:24.279 --> 00:15:28.799 in that one moment. It's that building awareness is part 194 00:15:28.799 --> 00:15:31.200 of the purpose of any charity work or anything that 195 00:15:31.279 --> 00:15:36.519 is noble is to build that awareness first. And there's 196 00:15:36.600 --> 00:15:39.600 no one around saying that you didn't do that. As 197 00:15:39.639 --> 00:15:41.960 far as the meaning of life, and I know that 198 00:15:41.960 --> 00:15:44.120 that was your first question, but it was more of 199 00:15:44.159 --> 00:15:48.799 a segue into your life situation. I will tell you this, 200 00:15:48.879 --> 00:15:52.639 it's quite simple, Eric. The meaning of life is to 201 00:15:52.799 --> 00:15:57.679 use your gifts and abilities along lines of excellence to 202 00:15:57.759 --> 00:16:00.759 the edification of yourself and the edification of into the 203 00:16:00.799 --> 00:16:05.720 glory of God. That's it. And that doesn't say anything 204 00:16:05.759 --> 00:16:09.399 about success. That doesn't say anything about you're going to 205 00:16:09.480 --> 00:16:11.799 make money, and it doesn't make anything say any of that. 206 00:16:11.879 --> 00:16:14.559 It just means you're called to utilize those gifts and 207 00:16:14.639 --> 00:16:18.360 abilities in a way that's beneficial to yourself and to 208 00:16:18.440 --> 00:16:22.320 others in a healthy way, and that it glorifies God. 209 00:16:23.679 --> 00:16:26.960 So how do I project that to other people? I mean, 210 00:16:27.200 --> 00:16:30.720 we're talking about something that's a very serious problem, and 211 00:16:30.919 --> 00:16:34.759 it's something that people can help with, but. 212 00:16:35.039 --> 00:16:36.080 They choose not to. 213 00:16:37.080 --> 00:16:40.879 And it's I mean, how can you see something that 214 00:16:41.080 --> 00:16:44.639 horrible and not do something about it? I know, I 215 00:16:44.679 --> 00:16:48.440 know people have their own limitations, but the response I 216 00:16:48.519 --> 00:16:51.519 was getting was so discouraging. It was just unbelievable. 217 00:16:51.600 --> 00:16:53.679 How many charities do you donate to? 218 00:16:53.840 --> 00:16:57.919 Eric? Myself? I don't have the means right now to 219 00:16:58.000 --> 00:16:58.399 do that. 220 00:16:58.600 --> 00:17:00.919 Okay, so they may not have the means either. 221 00:17:03.000 --> 00:17:05.799 Well, that's that's not true. I mean in terms of 222 00:17:05.880 --> 00:17:06.359 the people. 223 00:17:06.519 --> 00:17:08.880 I mean, I e, how many how many charities do 224 00:17:08.920 --> 00:17:10.400 you donate your time to? 225 00:17:10.559 --> 00:17:14.720 Eric? Well at the well? I full time to the 226 00:17:14.759 --> 00:17:15.440 one I started? 227 00:17:15.640 --> 00:17:19.119 Okay. So there's there's there's limitations in all things. And 228 00:17:19.160 --> 00:17:21.279 I know that people get on their pet causes and 229 00:17:21.359 --> 00:17:23.079 this is your focus and it should be and you 230 00:17:23.119 --> 00:17:25.200 should be passionate about it and you should want to 231 00:17:25.240 --> 00:17:29.720 see things done. But there are there are hundreds of 232 00:17:30.119 --> 00:17:34.119 thousands of charities, both both large and small throughout the 233 00:17:34.200 --> 00:17:39.240 United States, UH and the globe that need attention, and 234 00:17:39.680 --> 00:17:44.160 your main goal above all else is to articulate this 235 00:17:44.359 --> 00:17:48.119 need in a way that motivates, motivates people of like 236 00:17:48.240 --> 00:17:53.960 minds or interests to participate. If you didn't do that, 237 00:17:54.119 --> 00:17:57.039 there's only one of two things happening. One they're not 238 00:17:57.279 --> 00:18:00.400 interested and won't be interested, or two you didn't aticulate 239 00:18:00.440 --> 00:18:02.960 it well enough for them to understand the need. So 240 00:18:03.279 --> 00:18:05.559 both of those can be addressed with. If the person 241 00:18:05.599 --> 00:18:07.640 isn't interested, you tip your hat and you move along 242 00:18:07.680 --> 00:18:11.599 to the next And if they are, would be interest, 243 00:18:12.759 --> 00:18:15.599 but you're not provoking that or lighting that fire, then 244 00:18:15.640 --> 00:18:17.839 you need to look at the way you're setting up 245 00:18:18.200 --> 00:18:21.920 and explaining the need and what's going on. Those are 246 00:18:22.000 --> 00:18:24.480 the only real options. It's very easy to put it 247 00:18:24.480 --> 00:18:25.759 on the rest of the world and say, well, the 248 00:18:25.799 --> 00:18:28.640 rest of the world doesn't have love in their heart 249 00:18:28.720 --> 00:18:30.759 for these things. That's not true because there wouldn't be 250 00:18:30.799 --> 00:18:34.039 hundreds of thousands of charities to boot, there wouldn't be 251 00:18:34.079 --> 00:18:38.440 all these things around. You can't just you sound like 252 00:18:38.480 --> 00:18:41.480 you're pouting, like you didn't get it your way the 253 00:18:41.519 --> 00:18:43.880 way you expected it. And I don't think that that's 254 00:18:43.920 --> 00:18:45.279 the healthiest way to do it. 255 00:18:45.599 --> 00:18:49.599 The thing that disappointed me was just the sheer level 256 00:18:50.200 --> 00:18:56.519 of just non response. It was just ex floored me. 257 00:18:56.599 --> 00:18:58.160 I mean, did you look to see if there was 258 00:18:58.200 --> 00:19:00.799 any other charities working towards that goal at all, either 259 00:19:00.839 --> 00:19:01.920 in the area or. 260 00:19:01.880 --> 00:19:04.240 In another There are tons of them everywhere. 261 00:19:04.319 --> 00:19:06.240 Then how come you didn't sign up with one of theirs? 262 00:19:06.279 --> 00:19:10.079 How come you didn't go and volunteer and participate in 263 00:19:10.200 --> 00:19:13.640 an organization that was already started Because they. 264 00:19:13.519 --> 00:19:15.599 Don't go to the root of the problem. They're treating 265 00:19:15.599 --> 00:19:18.039 the symptom. As an example, there are people that I 266 00:19:18.119 --> 00:19:20.920 know that have fifteen dogs or cats in their house 267 00:19:21.279 --> 00:19:24.799 and try to save their lives, but doesn't stop where 268 00:19:24.880 --> 00:19:29.039 these animals are coming from. And so there's there's nobody 269 00:19:29.039 --> 00:19:31.319 out there that's really solving the problem. 270 00:19:31.480 --> 00:19:33.839 But maybe they went And I'm with you on that, 271 00:19:33.960 --> 00:19:37.200 because there's nothing more frustrated than people putting band aids 272 00:19:37.200 --> 00:19:42.319 on things that need to be amputated. But Eric, the 273 00:19:42.319 --> 00:19:45.920 bigger concern here, Eric, is that maybe maybe they've tried 274 00:19:45.960 --> 00:19:47.960 going down that path. Maybe they've gone down the path 275 00:19:48.000 --> 00:19:51.319 you've gone down and found it to be unproductive. And 276 00:19:51.359 --> 00:19:53.440 they said, Okay, we're going to work backwards now, and 277 00:19:53.480 --> 00:19:59.480 we're going to try and triage the situation and help 278 00:19:59.519 --> 00:20:01.599 where we can, and then work our way back to 279 00:20:01.640 --> 00:20:03.599 a better understanding. 280 00:20:03.359 --> 00:20:04.920 So that people are never ending. 281 00:20:05.440 --> 00:20:06.759 You know, life is that way. 282 00:20:07.519 --> 00:20:10.920 Rescue organizations save two thousand animals a year in Tucson, 283 00:20:11.079 --> 00:20:13.799 and fifteen thousands still get killed every year and the 284 00:20:13.880 --> 00:20:15.359 number keeps rising. 285 00:20:15.559 --> 00:20:18.039 But that's an education issue as well, because you have, 286 00:20:18.400 --> 00:20:21.079 you know, movies coming out that have you know, puppies 287 00:20:21.079 --> 00:20:23.640 in it or chihuahua's in it, and every child goes 288 00:20:23.640 --> 00:20:27.359 that runs out and says, mommy, daddy, I wanta dalmatian, 289 00:20:27.440 --> 00:20:31.279 I wanna a chihuahua, and the parents don't have the 290 00:20:32.759 --> 00:20:38.559 fortitude to say no, that that having an animal in 291 00:20:38.680 --> 00:20:43.200 your in your focus and in your care is a 292 00:20:43.799 --> 00:20:46.559 huge thing and it's an undertaking and it's not about 293 00:20:46.599 --> 00:20:49.240 they're here for you. It's about your here for them, 294 00:20:49.839 --> 00:20:54.039 and it's education. But it starts at that most simple 295 00:20:54.119 --> 00:20:57.960 level that every time a movie comes out with animals 296 00:20:57.960 --> 00:21:00.279 in it, that's when you should be flying, and that's 297 00:21:00.319 --> 00:21:02.640 when you should be educating, that's when you should be talking. 298 00:21:02.920 --> 00:21:05.559 There's there's a process to it. Eric, that's powerful and 299 00:21:05.599 --> 00:21:07.920 that will work. All you're telling me is that the 300 00:21:07.960 --> 00:21:11.160 process you tried didn't work. It doesn't mean that it 301 00:21:11.200 --> 00:21:13.839 won't work. You know, you walk out in the middle 302 00:21:13.880 --> 00:21:16.480 of the movie and they all have bad endings. You 303 00:21:16.599 --> 00:21:19.519 have to play this one out. And just because it 304 00:21:19.519 --> 00:21:23.599 didn't happen overnight doesn't mean that it won't That the 305 00:21:23.680 --> 00:21:28.440 problem didn't happen overnight. Eric, this is you. 306 00:21:28.000 --> 00:21:29.759 Have to find a different path to the root of 307 00:21:29.799 --> 00:21:30.319 the problem. 308 00:21:30.440 --> 00:21:32.559 Yeah. I think your passion is right on. I mean, 309 00:21:32.680 --> 00:21:35.880 you definitely have a passion and that passion comes from God. 310 00:21:36.039 --> 00:21:40.279 To be that focused, laser focused and desiring to to 311 00:21:40.440 --> 00:21:43.960 do something like this is huge and I commend you 312 00:21:44.039 --> 00:21:47.559 on that. But that doesn't mean every way you go 313 00:21:47.640 --> 00:21:50.680 to execute it is the right way. You see people 314 00:21:50.680 --> 00:21:53.720 do this all the time. People execute things poorly all 315 00:21:53.759 --> 00:21:55.720 the time. So you go back and you say, well, 316 00:21:55.720 --> 00:21:58.440 that didn't work. Whatever it was you were doing didn't work. 317 00:21:58.880 --> 00:22:03.119 So now point two is uh, finding out why you 318 00:22:03.160 --> 00:22:07.559 think it didn't work and and go back to education. 319 00:22:07.759 --> 00:22:10.960 Education is always going to be the key. Uh, you know, 320 00:22:11.119 --> 00:22:14.720 muscling this situation is that's been growing for a long 321 00:22:14.759 --> 00:22:17.119 time and it's not just in Arizona, it's all over 322 00:22:17.160 --> 00:22:21.039 the place. So uh, trying to muscle that you're you're 323 00:22:21.039 --> 00:22:25.880 gonna lose. There's because ignorance is a pretty strong beast, 324 00:22:26.279 --> 00:22:29.880 and it's out there everywhere in hordes, and. 325 00:22:30.119 --> 00:22:32.799 It goes to a fun it goes to a fundamental process. 326 00:22:32.799 --> 00:22:35.079 As a matter of fact, I'll pay a quick story here. 327 00:22:35.200 --> 00:22:38.079 I was riding my bicycle home. I stopped at a 328 00:22:38.119 --> 00:22:40.119 fast food place and there was a bird that was 329 00:22:40.160 --> 00:22:43.480 sitting on a rail and it didn't budget didn't fly away. 330 00:22:43.759 --> 00:22:47.200 There's obviously something wrong with it. Long story short, I 331 00:22:47.240 --> 00:22:49.279 was riding away and I said, I can't just leave 332 00:22:49.279 --> 00:22:52.000 this bird here, right, So I tried to get help. 333 00:22:52.039 --> 00:22:53.720 I was on a bicycle and I needed to take 334 00:22:53.720 --> 00:22:56.400 this thing five miles away. I tried to stop six 335 00:22:56.519 --> 00:22:59.599 or seven people, even got a police officer to try 336 00:22:59.640 --> 00:23:03.440 to help you with this little injured animal. Even the 337 00:23:03.480 --> 00:23:04.960 police officer would. 338 00:23:04.720 --> 00:23:08.839 Not help me because it's not it's not in their language, Eric, 339 00:23:09.359 --> 00:23:11.079 it's not in their language. 340 00:23:10.640 --> 00:23:12.759 That But that's really what my problem. 341 00:23:12.839 --> 00:23:15.519 But you're you're you're stamping your foot saying you don't 342 00:23:15.519 --> 00:23:18.200 believe like I do. And that's not that's not a healthier, 343 00:23:18.240 --> 00:23:20.319 productive way to do it. They'll look at you like 344 00:23:20.359 --> 00:23:23.160 your nuts. That cop is you know, on the on 345 00:23:23.160 --> 00:23:25.319 on call for all kinds of different things and sees 346 00:23:25.400 --> 00:23:28.160 heinous things every day and says, you're you're really gonna 347 00:23:28.200 --> 00:23:32.079 stop me to go take care of that bird right now. 348 00:23:32.799 --> 00:23:37.200 That's not gonna motivate anybody. You can't just stomp around 349 00:23:37.240 --> 00:23:40.440 and say you've got to you've got a care. That's 350 00:23:40.480 --> 00:23:45.839 not how it works. You know, the the the early 351 00:23:45.960 --> 00:23:48.440 Church didn't go around stopping saying you have to believe. 352 00:23:48.480 --> 00:23:52.799 As a matter of fact, when uh, the Church in 353 00:23:52.839 --> 00:23:57.000 its youth had leaders, had people that that you know, 354 00:23:57.160 --> 00:24:02.279 were kings or leaders, governmental leaders that became Christians and 355 00:24:02.319 --> 00:24:04.960 then felt, oh now people have to believe and started 356 00:24:04.960 --> 00:24:10.559 for forcing it on people. You got pollution and polluted Christianity, 357 00:24:10.599 --> 00:24:14.279 which is you know, part of the garbage that exists today. 358 00:24:15.599 --> 00:24:18.960 There's there, there's the pure line is is tossed out 359 00:24:19.039 --> 00:24:22.759 because there was so much ugliness and forcing of people 360 00:24:22.759 --> 00:24:25.359 to believe the Inquisition, these types of things ugly. It 361 00:24:25.359 --> 00:24:31.160 doesn't produce faith or Christianity. It produces an ugly heritage 362 00:24:31.640 --> 00:24:34.599 of forcing people to believe and you can't do that. 363 00:24:34.759 --> 00:24:38.119 You have to woo them with information and desire to 364 00:24:38.200 --> 00:24:40.759 let them see the problem, own the problem, and cure 365 00:24:40.799 --> 00:24:48.920 the problem. Angel. Welcome to the Jesus Christ Show. 366 00:24:49.680 --> 00:24:52.400 Hello, Holy host, thank you for. 367 00:24:52.400 --> 00:24:54.680 Taking my car my pleasure. What's on your mind? 368 00:24:55.559 --> 00:25:01.079 Well, I don't I don't know my Bible very well. 369 00:25:01.319 --> 00:25:05.799 I recommitted my life to God last summer, and I 370 00:25:05.880 --> 00:25:08.759 did read the Bible. I read through the whole Bible 371 00:25:08.799 --> 00:25:12.599 this year. But you know, I believe it's going to 372 00:25:13.039 --> 00:25:19.039 take lots of study before I unders you know, understand 373 00:25:19.079 --> 00:25:24.119 it better. My question is, and I've had some friends 374 00:25:24.240 --> 00:25:29.720 that our non Christians asked me this, also, what is 375 00:25:29.839 --> 00:25:35.440 the difference between your soul and your spirit? You know, 376 00:25:35.559 --> 00:25:39.640 because it's used in the spiritual world and the secular world. 377 00:25:40.799 --> 00:25:45.319 And I'm really curious and I really would like to 378 00:25:45.400 --> 00:25:47.920 know what the. 379 00:25:47.880 --> 00:25:51.880 Difference is between those two. Yeah, it gets into a 380 00:25:51.920 --> 00:25:55.559 lot of sticky theology. So I'll go through that quickly 381 00:25:55.599 --> 00:26:00.519 and then point you to some scripture. Uh, the word 382 00:26:01.960 --> 00:26:04.599 actually translates to mean the breath of life. And when 383 00:26:04.640 --> 00:26:07.240 you deal with the word soul, Now there's a couple 384 00:26:07.279 --> 00:26:10.039 of different views theologically, and this is where people get 385 00:26:10.079 --> 00:26:16.000 kind of caught up. There's something called dichotomists and trichotomists. Okay, 386 00:26:16.079 --> 00:26:18.799 the dichotomists hold that the soul and the spirit are 387 00:26:20.440 --> 00:26:22.559 two same names, you know, are two names for the 388 00:26:22.599 --> 00:26:26.519 same thing. And they think that that basically it comes 389 00:26:26.519 --> 00:26:29.519 down to the diconomists is just what it sounds like 390 00:26:29.839 --> 00:26:32.480 it means. It means that you believe that there is 391 00:26:32.519 --> 00:26:34.680 the body and the soul, and the soul and spirit 392 00:26:34.720 --> 00:26:37.279 are kind of the same thing. Well, there's a different 393 00:26:37.319 --> 00:26:42.160 group that are trichotomists that believe that there's actually three parts, 394 00:26:42.559 --> 00:26:45.079 that there's the body, the soul, and the spirit. So 395 00:26:45.240 --> 00:26:47.799 theologians go back and forth and debate this all the 396 00:26:47.839 --> 00:26:50.400 time as to if the soul and the spirit are 397 00:26:50.400 --> 00:26:53.279 two different things. I will point you to a couple 398 00:26:53.359 --> 00:26:57.039 of verses, including Hebrews four to twelve, which is interesting. 399 00:26:57.240 --> 00:27:00.279 Listen to these words very quickly, For the world of 400 00:27:00.279 --> 00:27:04.279 God is living an active sharper than any two edged sword. 401 00:27:04.640 --> 00:27:10.880