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See website for. 24 00:01:08.599 --> 00:01:12.040 You are now listening to true Murder, the most shocking 25 00:01:12.120 --> 00:01:15.159 killers in true crime history and the authors that have 26 00:01:15.200 --> 00:01:22.519 written about him, Gasey Bundy, Dahmer, The Nightstalker dck Every 27 00:01:22.560 --> 00:01:26.200 week another fascinating author talking about the most shocking and 28 00:01:26.319 --> 00:01:30.519 infamous killers in true crime history. True Murder with your 29 00:01:30.519 --> 00:01:33.760 host journalist and author Dan Zufanski. 30 00:01:43.599 --> 00:01:49.200 Good Evening. Since President John F. Kennedy's nineteen sixty three 31 00:01:49.359 --> 00:01:54.079 murder in Dallas, medical examiner and lawyer doctor Cyril Weckt 32 00:01:54.400 --> 00:01:58.280 was initially inclined to accept the official theory that one 33 00:01:58.359 --> 00:02:02.760 person alone was responsible for the crime. But as wek 34 00:02:02.920 --> 00:02:07.439 delved into the evidence with boundless curiosity and unprecedented access, 35 00:02:08.000 --> 00:02:11.759 he came to understand that America had instead suffered a 36 00:02:11.840 --> 00:02:15.960 cud'etat at the hands of rogue elements within our own government. 37 00:02:17.479 --> 00:02:21.960 Nobody else has wexed up close and personal experience in 38 00:02:22.080 --> 00:02:26.439 uncovering the facts behind this assassination, and now he is 39 00:02:26.479 --> 00:02:31.039 sharing it with the world. Co Authored by investigative journalist 40 00:02:31.120 --> 00:02:36.319 Donna Kaufman, this comprehensive book reveals Wex's analysis of the 41 00:02:36.400 --> 00:02:40.960 case's forensic and medical evidence. With his keen eye and 42 00:02:41.039 --> 00:02:46.639 sharp tongue, weck wields his scalpel on JFK's dubious autopsy report, 43 00:02:47.199 --> 00:02:52.240 the inept Warren Commission report, the misshandling of crucial materials, 44 00:02:52.280 --> 00:02:55.879 all of the key players, and the medium malpractice that 45 00:02:55.919 --> 00:03:00.280 has allowed the truth to remain hidden for nearly six decades. 46 00:03:01.599 --> 00:03:04.479 The book that we're featuring this evening is the JFK 47 00:03:04.759 --> 00:03:11.919 Assassination Dissected, an Analysis by forensic pathologist Cyril Weckt, with 48 00:03:11.960 --> 00:03:16.599 my special guest, investigative author and journalist Donna Kaufman and 49 00:03:16.680 --> 00:03:20.800 forensic pathologist and author Cyril Weckt. Welcome to the program, 50 00:03:21.039 --> 00:03:25.599 Donna Kaufman and Cyril Weckt. Pleasure to be with you, Dan, 51 00:03:26.520 --> 00:03:29.800 thank you very much for having thank you very much 52 00:03:29.800 --> 00:03:33.280 for this interview. Let's get right to the genesis of 53 00:03:33.400 --> 00:03:33.919 this book. 54 00:03:35.120 --> 00:03:38.360 Well, the origin. Donna and I worked together on four 55 00:03:38.360 --> 00:03:43.319 books previously. Dan, we got along very well. Don is 56 00:03:43.319 --> 00:03:46.400 an excellent writer, and I have a lot of wonderful 57 00:03:46.439 --> 00:03:49.560 cases to talk about, and we've got talking about JFK, 58 00:03:50.080 --> 00:03:57.319 and the idea came quite when you think about it, retrospectively, 59 00:03:58.080 --> 00:04:01.879 flowed to smoothly do a JFK book, and we've been 60 00:04:01.879 --> 00:04:04.479 working on it. I think about five six years and 61 00:04:04.840 --> 00:04:07.680 a lot of time, a lot of effort, a tremendous 62 00:04:07.680 --> 00:04:11.840 amount of research by Donna to correlate with all that 63 00:04:11.919 --> 00:04:15.599 I had from my years working on the JFK assassination 64 00:04:16.079 --> 00:04:18.759 up to the present time, including just a couple of 65 00:04:18.839 --> 00:04:23.519 national conferences that finished up yesterday. And so that's how 66 00:04:23.519 --> 00:04:24.360 the book came about. 67 00:04:25.560 --> 00:04:28.839 You talked Cyril about what you were doing on this date, 68 00:04:29.040 --> 00:04:33.639 November twenty second, nineteen sixty three. Where were you, but 69 00:04:33.920 --> 00:04:38.240 also where were you in your professional career at this time? 70 00:04:40.680 --> 00:04:47.240 Yeah, in nineteen sixty three, I was just developing my 71 00:04:47.399 --> 00:04:50.959 professional career, having finished two years in the Air Force, 72 00:04:51.680 --> 00:04:55.160 three years of law school, five years of plethology residency 73 00:04:55.600 --> 00:05:00.519 in sixty two, came back to Pittsburgh and sixty three 74 00:05:01.399 --> 00:05:08.720 when this happened, I was really just associated with a 75 00:05:08.839 --> 00:05:14.160 law firm. A few months after this, I became an 76 00:05:14.199 --> 00:05:17.720 assistant District Attorney and medical legal advisor to the District 77 00:05:17.759 --> 00:05:21.920 Attorney of Alleghany County. In January of sixty four and 78 00:05:22.040 --> 00:05:28.800 sixty five, I became sixty six, actually the coroner was elected, 79 00:05:28.959 --> 00:05:32.399 and I became chief Forensic Capologists sixty six to seventy 80 00:05:32.639 --> 00:05:35.120 and then I was cornered from seventy to eighty for 81 00:05:35.199 --> 00:05:38.920 ten years, and another ten year period later on from 82 00:05:39.000 --> 00:05:41.800 ninety six to oh six. So in sixty three, I 83 00:05:42.000 --> 00:05:48.040 was just a young Whooper snapper. That day I was 84 00:05:48.120 --> 00:05:53.279 in Los Angeles for a deposition on a case, as 85 00:05:53.319 --> 00:05:56.439 I recall, or meeting with an attorney, and I popped 86 00:05:56.439 --> 00:06:01.319 in to a doctor Tom Degucci's Los Angeles Medical Examiner's office. 87 00:06:01.439 --> 00:06:04.000 He was not yet the chief. Tom and I had 88 00:06:05.240 --> 00:06:08.399 met each other at the American Academy of Forensic Sciences 89 00:06:08.480 --> 00:06:12.279 and we immediately became close friends, a relationship that exists 90 00:06:12.319 --> 00:06:16.079 to this day. And this is a true story. It 91 00:06:16.160 --> 00:06:19.000 sounds almost like it's made up. I had no reason 92 00:06:19.120 --> 00:06:23.439 to create from bellies something like this. I was standing 93 00:06:23.600 --> 00:06:27.839 in the autopsy room of the LA Medical Examiner's office 94 00:06:27.920 --> 00:06:31.480 with doctor Degucci, looking at a gunshot room victim and 95 00:06:31.600 --> 00:06:35.399 other cases too. They're always jammed there, and as secretary 96 00:06:35.439 --> 00:06:41.800 came in, ashen faced, pulled doctor Degucci aside, whispered something 97 00:06:41.920 --> 00:06:44.279 to his ear, and then Tom turned and told me 98 00:06:44.560 --> 00:06:47.879 the president has been shot. He and I immediately adjourned 99 00:06:48.199 --> 00:06:52.800 to the closest, a restaurant that had a TV set, 100 00:06:52.920 --> 00:06:57.120 and we sat down and sat there for a couple 101 00:06:57.160 --> 00:06:59.959 of hours as things unfolded. So that's what I was 102 00:07:00.160 --> 00:07:03.800 doing on Friday, November twenty second, nineteen sixty three. 103 00:07:04.120 --> 00:07:04.879 That would have been. 104 00:07:06.439 --> 00:07:16.839 Let's see, it was twelve thirty Eastern time. Pardon me, 105 00:07:18.319 --> 00:07:20.879 on a Friday? Would you say, yeah, on a Friday? 106 00:07:20.920 --> 00:07:22.879 It happened on a Friday? 107 00:07:22.959 --> 00:07:26.600 Yeah, didn't I say Friday? I'm sorry? I finally said Friday. Yeah. Now, 108 00:07:26.600 --> 00:07:28.600 I was just trying to get the time, straying that 109 00:07:28.959 --> 00:07:31.519 for the Pacific time, in the Central time, in the 110 00:07:31.560 --> 00:07:36.519 Eastern Standard time. But that's that's where I was before 111 00:07:36.600 --> 00:07:40.439 the phone call. Then I want to point out this 112 00:07:40.519 --> 00:07:43.800 is very important for people to know that the assassination 113 00:07:43.920 --> 00:07:47.319 on a Friday, and by Sunday, Hoover had already made 114 00:07:47.360 --> 00:07:51.120 up his mind and on Monday officially proclaimed to the 115 00:07:51.160 --> 00:07:55.639 world officially on Monday that the case was solved, that 116 00:07:55.720 --> 00:07:59.040 Lee Harvey Oswald was a soul assassin. And on Monday, 117 00:07:59.279 --> 00:08:02.439 Lee Harvey All's role was already dead, having been killed 118 00:08:02.439 --> 00:08:06.319 the day before on Sunday, November twenty four, by Jack 119 00:08:06.439 --> 00:08:09.800 Ruby in the basement of the Dallas Public Safety Building. 120 00:08:10.040 --> 00:08:15.040 So Hoover already knew, already knew, he had checked everybody out, 121 00:08:15.240 --> 00:08:17.360 and he was able to do that over a weekend. 122 00:08:17.920 --> 00:08:24.600 This concoction, this conspiracy. And I love to turn around 123 00:08:24.879 --> 00:08:30.120 that epithet which they always hurl at us, the Warren 124 00:08:30.160 --> 00:08:35.360 Commission defenders and sickofans at the critic researchers of the 125 00:08:35.399 --> 00:08:41.200 Warren Commission, calling us conspiratorialists and so on. They are 126 00:08:41.279 --> 00:08:44.519 the master conspiratorialists and they have gotten away with this 127 00:08:44.799 --> 00:08:50.039 for going on fifty nine years. You talk about a conspiracy, baby, 128 00:08:50.320 --> 00:08:53.519 this is one to top every other and any other 129 00:08:53.559 --> 00:08:58.799 conspiracy that anybody can think of or find historically anywhere 130 00:08:58.799 --> 00:09:06.039 in the world. To continue, then with the link, we 131 00:09:06.200 --> 00:09:11.039 have what transpired in Dallas that Donna has referred to, 132 00:09:11.519 --> 00:09:15.279 and the body being taken then flown into Washington, d C. 133 00:09:15.960 --> 00:09:19.559 Over to the Professor Naval Center for the autopsy. To 134 00:09:19.759 --> 00:09:22.960 use the word in ept is being very gracious and 135 00:09:23.080 --> 00:09:27.720 very kind. Donna is not usually less soft and sweet. 136 00:09:29.320 --> 00:09:33.799 This is so important for anybody listening to this program 137 00:09:34.039 --> 00:09:38.159 who has still a belief in the Warrant Commission report. 138 00:09:38.440 --> 00:09:45.000 I want you to know, folks, evidentiary burden is you 139 00:09:45.159 --> 00:09:50.559 can't make philis. Diller into Marilyn Monroe. You have here 140 00:09:51.159 --> 00:09:55.399 the two pathologists, career naval pathologists by the names of 141 00:09:55.559 --> 00:10:00.200 Yume's and Boswell at Profess Naval Center called in to 142 00:10:00.240 --> 00:10:04.879 do the autopsy. You've got President Kennedy multiple gunshot wounds. 143 00:10:05.080 --> 00:10:11.080 You have to determine entrance and differentiate from exit, angle, range, trajectory, 144 00:10:11.320 --> 00:10:14.679 and sequence of shots. And you have to correlate those 145 00:10:14.720 --> 00:10:19.000 wounds in Kennedy with the multiple gunshot wounds John Hunley 146 00:10:19.320 --> 00:10:23.080 in his back and chest and wrists and fig That 147 00:10:23.480 --> 00:10:28.840 is an extremely formidable task that would make a trio 148 00:10:29.279 --> 00:10:33.600 of top match forensic pathologists of the utmost competence and 149 00:10:33.639 --> 00:10:38.519 expertise really sweat bullets. So who are Yumes in Boswell 150 00:10:38.919 --> 00:10:43.720 ready for this? They had never done a single gun 151 00:10:43.759 --> 00:10:47.919 shot wound autopsy in their entire careers. They had never 152 00:10:48.039 --> 00:10:52.480 done a gunshot wound autopsy in their entire careers. I 153 00:10:52.559 --> 00:10:56.399 want people who are Americans, I want you to listen 154 00:10:56.440 --> 00:10:59.360 to this carefully, and I want you to tell me 155 00:10:59.600 --> 00:11:04.720 how this could have been accomplished if not for the 156 00:11:05.080 --> 00:11:10.279 highest level, the top echelon of conspiratorialists in the government. 157 00:11:10.480 --> 00:11:13.399 And it was our government. It wasn't the Russians, and 158 00:11:13.440 --> 00:11:16.919 it wasn't the Cubans or the Chinese. That was ascertained 159 00:11:17.279 --> 00:11:22.960 very quickly by direct visits love of our ambassadors in Moscow, Beijing, 160 00:11:23.240 --> 00:11:26.519 and Havana, as well as phone calls from the White House. 161 00:11:26.679 --> 00:11:30.519 You can imagine it was determined darn quickly that they 162 00:11:30.600 --> 00:11:34.639 knew not a damn thing about this. And so that 163 00:11:34.879 --> 00:11:40.440 was the next link from what transpired in Dallas in 164 00:11:40.720 --> 00:11:44.440 taking the body out illegally, where the jurisdiction was clearly 165 00:11:44.639 --> 00:11:49.360 in the Dallas medical examiners hams to Washington. Okay, fine, 166 00:11:49.600 --> 00:11:52.919 actually it could and should have worked out to their 167 00:11:52.960 --> 00:11:56.919 advantage because then they were within one hour or drive 168 00:11:57.039 --> 00:12:04.840 time the top forensic pathologist country in New York, Boston, Richmond, Philadelphia, Cleveland, Baltimore. 169 00:12:05.120 --> 00:12:08.000 They were all there, and they had seven seven and 170 00:12:08.039 --> 00:12:11.200 a half hours or so to bring them together. They 171 00:12:11.200 --> 00:12:14.519 did not bring them together. Not any one of them 172 00:12:14.639 --> 00:12:19.879 was contacted. And in fact, then these pathologists failed to 173 00:12:20.000 --> 00:12:24.080 even speak with the surgeons at Parkland Hospital, eighteen of 174 00:12:24.120 --> 00:12:27.320 them who had worked feverishly on the president as to 175 00:12:27.399 --> 00:12:30.720 what they did, what they saw. And that then moves 176 00:12:30.799 --> 00:12:34.240 us to the next couple of links in the chain. 177 00:12:34.519 --> 00:12:37.440 But I'll stop at this point. Go ahead with your 178 00:12:37.720 --> 00:12:39.840 next question or Donna's comment. 179 00:12:42.080 --> 00:12:47.759 You talk about this autopsy protocol, the Armed Forces Institute 180 00:12:47.799 --> 00:12:53.120 of Pathology autopsy protocols is seventy nine pages. You had 181 00:12:53.240 --> 00:12:57.799 an issue with the autopsy President's autopsy report. How many 182 00:12:57.840 --> 00:12:58.679 pages was that? 183 00:13:00.440 --> 00:13:04.320 I think it shakes us on And by the way 184 00:13:04.559 --> 00:13:07.799 you mentioned the Armed Forces into the pathology, let me 185 00:13:07.879 --> 00:13:12.159 comment on that that was the mecca of pathology in 186 00:13:12.559 --> 00:13:16.919 the country. It's now gone. It has been absorbed into 187 00:13:17.039 --> 00:13:22.519 another part of the overall medical setup. The a FIP 188 00:13:23.639 --> 00:13:27.000 nice building where I went many times for conferences when 189 00:13:27.039 --> 00:13:29.480 I was in the Air Force and later where I lectured. 190 00:13:29.919 --> 00:13:32.919 That was located on the grounds of the Walter Reed 191 00:13:33.120 --> 00:13:37.440 Hospital in Washington, d C. And in that hospital at 192 00:13:37.519 --> 00:13:45.480 the AFIP there were several board certified, fully accredited forensic pathologists, 193 00:13:45.799 --> 00:13:52.960 military forensic pathologists right there, right there. And now to 194 00:13:53.039 --> 00:13:58.840 continue the link then, not just to have expressed this 195 00:13:59.200 --> 00:14:04.039 criticism in a not prominine fashion, but to give it meaning. 196 00:14:06.399 --> 00:14:15.000 The pathologists said and showed pictures and supposedly of an 197 00:14:15.039 --> 00:14:19.960 intact rear portion of the skull called the occipital area, 198 00:14:20.360 --> 00:14:25.679 the base of your skull posteriorly and the cerebellum, which 199 00:14:25.840 --> 00:14:28.519 is a part of the brain separate from the two 200 00:14:28.639 --> 00:14:34.240 large cerebral hemispheres located in the back and lowered down, 201 00:14:35.600 --> 00:14:39.120 they claim, and the pictures that they show have a 202 00:14:39.159 --> 00:14:41.919 brain that is intact, and they have a brain that 203 00:14:42.080 --> 00:14:48.000 weighs fifteen hundred grams. Let's go back to Dallas. These 204 00:14:48.159 --> 00:14:53.360 eighteen or so doctors who worked on Kennedy, including some 205 00:14:53.519 --> 00:14:59.919 surgeons who had done hundreds of gunshot wound surgical procedures 206 00:15:00.480 --> 00:15:03.919 working in the emergency room in the o R over 207 00:15:03.919 --> 00:15:09.960 the years, including the chairman of the Department of Neurosurgery, 208 00:15:10.480 --> 00:15:14.279 a guy by the name of Kemp Clark, a distinguished neurosurgeon. 209 00:15:14.759 --> 00:15:22.240 They described sabellar tissue being lacerated and torn from its attachment, 210 00:15:22.519 --> 00:15:26.440 and they described fractures in the occipital region of the skull. 211 00:15:27.120 --> 00:15:30.080 Who do you believe those good old boys from Texas 212 00:15:30.200 --> 00:15:33.000 who were just calling it what they saw and what 213 00:15:33.039 --> 00:15:35.919 they did working on the president there. And we have 214 00:15:36.039 --> 00:15:39.080 this on tape from our programs that we did in Pittsburgh. 215 00:15:39.399 --> 00:15:44.320 One of the surgeons, doctor McClellan, who talked about that 216 00:15:44.600 --> 00:15:49.519 in great detail and then you've got what Humes and 217 00:15:49.600 --> 00:15:53.600 Boswell said. And there were four star admirals and generals 218 00:15:53.879 --> 00:15:58.080 in the autopsy room that night at Posessa Naval Hospital, 219 00:15:59.360 --> 00:16:03.840 So that is the next link. And then the brain. 220 00:16:04.519 --> 00:16:08.519 An average brain, let's say a good sized man, that 221 00:16:08.639 --> 00:16:12.960 brain will weigh somewhere about thirteen hundred and fifty to 222 00:16:13.159 --> 00:16:18.799 fourteen hundred grams, occasionally a little bit more. The brain 223 00:16:19.440 --> 00:16:23.200 had been seriously damaged. Portions of the brain had been 224 00:16:23.240 --> 00:16:26.440 torn away. We know that. And yet they come in 225 00:16:26.480 --> 00:16:32.679 with a weight which no man unless he's a giant, 226 00:16:33.000 --> 00:16:35.559 is going to have as the weight of his brain, 227 00:16:35.919 --> 00:16:40.639 as they didn't, even not only conspiracy, but not one 228 00:16:40.879 --> 00:16:45.320 that was well thought of in terms of the medical 229 00:16:45.919 --> 00:16:52.840 forensic scientific ramifications, absolutely incredible. Before we get to the 230 00:16:52.919 --> 00:16:57.480 Zuffouda film in the single pollet theory and everything, let 231 00:16:57.480 --> 00:17:00.399 me go back to the autopsy to show you how 232 00:17:00.480 --> 00:17:06.160 horrendous this was. The doctors in Dallas had seen the 233 00:17:06.240 --> 00:17:10.359 gunshot wound in the midline of the base of the 234 00:17:11.000 --> 00:17:15.559 president's neck, and then they saw the big defunct on 235 00:17:15.720 --> 00:17:19.640 the right side in the rear of the president's head. 236 00:17:20.319 --> 00:17:24.079 That night at the festa. The doctors there when they 237 00:17:24.119 --> 00:17:26.839 took off the course of light garment that Kennedy wore. 238 00:17:27.400 --> 00:17:30.599 They found a bullet hole in the President's back. They 239 00:17:31.000 --> 00:17:33.759 did not know there was a bullet hole in the 240 00:17:33.759 --> 00:17:38.480 front of the neck because the doctors in Dallas ascertained 241 00:17:38.799 --> 00:17:43.119 that the bullet fortuitously had ripped through the trachea. When 242 00:17:43.160 --> 00:17:46.640 the brain has been damaged extensively, as in this case, 243 00:17:47.000 --> 00:17:50.599 the brain cannot function, It does not do its job 244 00:17:50.880 --> 00:17:55.160 in controlling cardiac and respiratory activity, and the person will die, 245 00:17:55.440 --> 00:17:58.680 no matter how skilled the surgeons may be in repairing 246 00:17:58.680 --> 00:18:03.799 the damage cause by the gunshots. And so in order 247 00:18:04.200 --> 00:18:08.279 to attach the respirator cuff from the oxygen machine to 248 00:18:08.400 --> 00:18:13.799 suction out mucus and blood and put in oxygen take 249 00:18:13.799 --> 00:18:17.960 out carbon dioxide, they had to expand that circular hole 250 00:18:18.200 --> 00:18:20.279 at the base of the neck. They did not do 251 00:18:20.359 --> 00:18:25.640 it malevolently or surreptitiously. They did what was necessary to do. 252 00:18:26.200 --> 00:18:33.440 And the comedians who did the autopsy that night, totally incompetent, inexperience, 253 00:18:33.839 --> 00:18:36.799 and having failed to talk with the doctors in Dallas, 254 00:18:36.839 --> 00:18:40.599 as I have already pointed out, never knew, never knew. 255 00:18:41.200 --> 00:18:44.519 Until the next morning, after they had given their report 256 00:18:44.839 --> 00:18:48.759 to Hoover and Johnson, they never knew that there had 257 00:18:48.839 --> 00:18:51.559 been a bullet hole in the front of the President's neck. 258 00:18:52.039 --> 00:18:55.680 It wasn't until Saturday morning, November twenty third, when they 259 00:18:55.759 --> 00:19:00.000 called down and spoke with the surgeon there in Dallas, 260 00:19:00.319 --> 00:19:03.119 that they learned for the first time that there was 261 00:19:03.160 --> 00:19:09.119 a bullet hole in the president's neck. Okay, and how 262 00:19:09.119 --> 00:19:12.279 do you handle that now? Then that ties in with 263 00:19:12.400 --> 00:19:15.680 what Donna has talked about opened up the door on 264 00:19:15.759 --> 00:19:21.200 the Zuppooter film. Abraham Zappooter, a woman's clothing merchant there, 265 00:19:21.240 --> 00:19:25.319 an elderly gentleman, bought a brand new eight millimeter Bellhall 266 00:19:25.440 --> 00:19:30.119 camera and went there to Dealey Plaza. He stood on 267 00:19:30.319 --> 00:19:34.799 the ledge coming out from a white curvy linear structure 268 00:19:34.880 --> 00:19:39.359 called a pergola. His secretary braced his leg and when 269 00:19:39.440 --> 00:19:43.279 the cars coming down Main Street, turning right onto Houston 270 00:19:43.519 --> 00:19:47.200 and then left onto Elm Street, and proceeding downward into 271 00:19:47.240 --> 00:19:52.200 the left on Elm Street, that's when Zappooter started his film. 272 00:19:52.519 --> 00:19:58.079 It turned out to be the most important photographic evidence 273 00:19:58.400 --> 00:20:01.319 in this case, the most i piece of evidence of 274 00:20:01.559 --> 00:20:06.759 any kind in this case, and that camera was studied. 275 00:20:07.119 --> 00:20:10.559 It was determined that eighteen point three frames of that 276 00:20:10.640 --> 00:20:15.400 film strip went through the camera per second. Then, for 277 00:20:15.599 --> 00:20:19.559 people who are younger and don't know about the cameras 278 00:20:19.880 --> 00:20:23.000 that those of us who are over forty five point 279 00:20:23.000 --> 00:20:27.240 fifty recall from our high school and college days when 280 00:20:27.240 --> 00:20:29.720 a film was shown to us in the classroom. You 281 00:20:29.839 --> 00:20:34.440 have a spool of film and you unloosened it and 282 00:20:34.480 --> 00:20:37.079 you put it onto spockets, and then it moved in 283 00:20:37.160 --> 00:20:43.480 serpentine fashion inside the camera box, and that's when you 284 00:20:43.559 --> 00:20:47.039 get a film. Each individual unit is called a frame. 285 00:20:48.160 --> 00:20:52.960 That Bellhall camera was studied by the Bellhall people and 286 00:20:53.000 --> 00:20:56.000 the FBI, and it was determined that eighteen point three 287 00:20:56.279 --> 00:20:59.960 frames of the film strip moved through the camera per second. 288 00:21:00.559 --> 00:21:04.559 So there I was at Life magazine headquarters in December 289 00:21:04.680 --> 00:21:10.240 nineteen sixty six, having been invited by Josiah Thompson, who 290 00:21:10.279 --> 00:21:13.599 has become a very close friend and a top notch critic. 291 00:21:13.640 --> 00:21:19.400 Researcher of the Warrant Commission report invited me. He had 292 00:21:19.400 --> 00:21:22.319 been retained by Life Magazine, and I went up there 293 00:21:22.440 --> 00:21:25.759 and I studied the Zaffruiter film, which Life Magazine had 294 00:21:25.799 --> 00:21:30.880 acquired a large sum to Zafruter for that film, and 295 00:21:30.960 --> 00:21:34.079 I could study the shooting of the President and the 296 00:21:34.119 --> 00:21:38.160 wounding of John Connolly at eighteenth second intervals. Think about that, 297 00:21:38.240 --> 00:21:40.359 there's not a word. You can utter, a move, and 298 00:21:40.400 --> 00:21:43.640 you can make a thought, you can entertain eighteen times 299 00:21:43.680 --> 00:21:46.599 in one second, but you can study this shooting at 300 00:21:46.640 --> 00:21:50.640 one eighteenth second intervals. And so they had that time frame, 301 00:21:51.200 --> 00:21:54.559 and the next timeframe was the firing of the alleged 302 00:21:54.599 --> 00:21:58.960 murder weapon, a Manniker Karkano, a bolt action non automatic 303 00:21:59.000 --> 00:22:02.880 carving developed in Italy going into World War Two, Considered 304 00:22:02.880 --> 00:22:05.160 by every long gun expert of it. He's spoken to 305 00:22:05.480 --> 00:22:08.960 as the most inferior weapon of his genre, of any kind. 306 00:22:09.400 --> 00:22:11.599 And there was determined in the hands of the most 307 00:22:11.599 --> 00:22:15.400 skilled marchmen, which Oswald was not. That it's a two 308 00:22:15.480 --> 00:22:18.880 point three seconds from shot to shot, without allowing time 309 00:22:18.920 --> 00:22:22.279 for re aiming and repositioning at a moving target. Two 310 00:22:22.319 --> 00:22:25.279 point three seconds from shot to shot. Back to the 311 00:22:25.400 --> 00:22:29.519 Zappruter film, which clearly shows Connolly being hit one point 312 00:22:29.599 --> 00:22:33.000 five seconds after Kennedy is hit. The first time you've 313 00:22:33.039 --> 00:22:35.880 seen the Zuppooter film, Kennedy's hands coming up to his 314 00:22:35.960 --> 00:22:40.200 mouth and throat, then Connolly being hit, and that's one 315 00:22:40.200 --> 00:22:44.839 point five seconds. So that presented a hell of a problem, 316 00:22:45.079 --> 00:22:50.480 a seemingly impossible physical temporal incongruity. How do you get 317 00:22:50.519 --> 00:22:54.119 away with it? Oswald is a soul assassin. Everybody has 318 00:22:54.160 --> 00:22:56.839 been told that he's now dead. The case has been 319 00:22:56.880 --> 00:22:59.880 wrapped up in a blue ribbon. How do you deal 320 00:23:00.279 --> 00:23:04.240 with Connolly being hit one point five seconds after Kennedy 321 00:23:04.279 --> 00:23:06.720 has hit if it takes two point three seconds from 322 00:23:06.759 --> 00:23:09.920 shot to shot. And that is what gave birth to 323 00:23:09.960 --> 00:23:14.880 the next big link in this conspiratorial chain headed up 324 00:23:14.920 --> 00:23:18.519 by the top spooks and military people in this country. 325 00:23:18.680 --> 00:23:21.880 That is what gave birth to the single bullet theory. 326 00:23:22.279 --> 00:23:26.880 Arlen Spector, junior legal consul later to become senior US 327 00:23:26.960 --> 00:23:30.599 Senator from Pennsylvania, is the one who has given credit 328 00:23:30.799 --> 00:23:34.160 for coming up with a single bullet theory. Faced with 329 00:23:34.319 --> 00:23:39.039 this incredible dilemma, what the hell to do? They said, Well, 330 00:23:39.079 --> 00:23:43.200 what if a bullet hit Kennedy in the back and 331 00:23:43.359 --> 00:23:45.960 went out his throat? And to begin with, by the way, 332 00:23:46.000 --> 00:23:48.440 there's an upward angle of eleven and a half degrees 333 00:23:48.640 --> 00:23:52.240 from back to front. Well, how to my colleagues who 334 00:23:52.279 --> 00:23:55.200 were on the forensic cathology panel of the House Select 335 00:23:55.200 --> 00:23:59.640 Committee and Assassinations, and eight other forensic pathologists and the 336 00:23:59.720 --> 00:24:03.480 even ninth tent. How do they deal with that? They said, Well, 337 00:24:03.519 --> 00:24:06.960 maybe the President was leaning down to Tiny's shoelace so 338 00:24:07.079 --> 00:24:10.480 scratches groin, which he was obviously not doing. So the 339 00:24:10.519 --> 00:24:15.119 bullet who's upward and emerges from the front of Kennedy's 340 00:24:15.160 --> 00:24:20.200 neck a single bullet, theory, and it swings over eighteen 341 00:24:20.240 --> 00:24:23.960 twenty inches in mid air, hits Conley behind the right armpit, 342 00:24:24.319 --> 00:24:26.720 not on the left side. The bullet is moving downward 343 00:24:26.759 --> 00:24:29.759 and leftward, having been fired according to them, from the 344 00:24:29.759 --> 00:24:32.960 sixth flour window of the Texas school Book Depository building. 345 00:24:33.400 --> 00:24:36.920 It moves over eighteen twenty inches, turns in midair, slams 346 00:24:36.920 --> 00:24:40.759 into Conley behind the right armpit. It goes into the chest, 347 00:24:41.160 --> 00:24:44.519 pierces the right lung, destroys four inches of the right 348 00:24:44.559 --> 00:24:48.400 fifth rib, emerges from below nipple level. Look at the 349 00:24:48.440 --> 00:24:51.480 Zupputer film is holding that big white stetson hat at 350 00:24:51.519 --> 00:24:55.119 shoulder level, waving to the crowd shoulder level with the 351 00:24:55.119 --> 00:24:58.160 white sets and hat. The bullet emerges from his chest 352 00:24:58.359 --> 00:25:01.480 below the nipple level, hooks back up and around about 353 00:25:01.519 --> 00:25:04.680 eight ten inches slams into the back of the distal 354 00:25:04.759 --> 00:25:08.920 right forearm, causes a combinative facture of the radius. One 355 00:25:08.920 --> 00:25:11.720 of the two large long bones from the elbow to 356 00:25:11.759 --> 00:25:15.079 the wrists emerges from the front of his right wrist, 357 00:25:15.359 --> 00:25:19.599 goes into the left eye, and then, somehow, having not 358 00:25:19.680 --> 00:25:23.200 been seen or heard by anybody in the r working 359 00:25:23.200 --> 00:25:28.960 on Conley or so on, is found quite fortuitously by 360 00:25:29.160 --> 00:25:33.240 Dyryl Tomlinson, a maintenance man at Parkland Hospital, trying to 361 00:25:33.279 --> 00:25:37.079 get to the men's room after the presidential entourage had left. 362 00:25:37.240 --> 00:25:41.559 Finding the corridors blocked by stretchers, bent down, moved the stretcher, 363 00:25:41.799 --> 00:25:46.039 and lo and behold there was this magic bullet, as 364 00:25:46.079 --> 00:25:49.440 Mark Lane first called it, the magic bullet theory, which 365 00:25:49.480 --> 00:25:54.039 I and others have used since then, the magic bullet theory. 366 00:25:54.359 --> 00:25:57.400 There it was now known as Commission Exhibit three ninety 367 00:25:57.480 --> 00:26:03.400 nine military jacketed jacketed military ammunition lead core one and 368 00:26:03.440 --> 00:26:06.079 a quarter inch in length quarter of an inch in diameter. 369 00:26:06.480 --> 00:26:12.640 There it lay in pristine condition, uh, just to be found, fortunately, 370 00:26:13.400 --> 00:26:18.079 in that accidental fashion. And that is the single bullet theory. 371 00:26:18.599 --> 00:26:22.519 The Senaqunon of the Warrant Commission report. You don't have 372 00:26:22.559 --> 00:26:25.799 a single bullet theory. You've got your two shooters before 373 00:26:25.839 --> 00:26:28.880 you get into anything else. All the people, they are 374 00:26:28.920 --> 00:26:32.200 a daily plasive running up to the grassy knole, people 375 00:26:32.240 --> 00:26:38.119 seeing people, guys behind the grassy knole moving in furtive fashion, 376 00:26:38.480 --> 00:26:42.440 and so on, someone seeing a puff of smoke, and 377 00:26:42.480 --> 00:26:44.960 then getting into the medical stuff, which we can talk 378 00:26:45.000 --> 00:26:47.480 about a little bit later and won't digress at this point. 379 00:26:48.720 --> 00:26:55.759 There you have this incredible single bullet theory which they 380 00:26:55.799 --> 00:26:59.680 were stuck with and that they came up with to 381 00:27:00.000 --> 00:27:06.799 answer this impossible correlation that just did not fit between 382 00:27:06.839 --> 00:27:10.240 the timing scene depicted in the Zuppruiter film and the 383 00:27:10.279 --> 00:27:15.039 timing determined by the firing of the manicer Carcanno weapon. 384 00:27:16.319 --> 00:27:18.920 Seven wounds this is is seven wounds and two men. 385 00:27:19.039 --> 00:27:22.240 Seven wounds and two men a bullet. Let me tell you, 386 00:27:22.440 --> 00:27:25.119 she just finished this quickly. In his pristine state weighs 387 00:27:25.119 --> 00:27:28.519 one hundred and sixty one grains. The bullet found weighed 388 00:27:28.519 --> 00:27:31.200 one hundred and fifty eight point six grains. A loss 389 00:27:31.200 --> 00:27:33.599 of two point four grains is exactly one and a 390 00:27:33.640 --> 00:27:36.839 half percent, And yet fragments of the bullet were found 391 00:27:36.920 --> 00:27:40.839 in four anatomic locations of Kennedy and Conley. And we're 392 00:27:40.839 --> 00:27:45.599 told that that bullet just lost leaving pieces of itself 393 00:27:45.839 --> 00:27:48.960 one and a half percent of his total weight original weight, 394 00:27:49.359 --> 00:27:52.359 and having broken two bones. And Conley was a six 395 00:27:52.400 --> 00:27:55.359 point six foot four big bone, not a dainty little 396 00:27:55.440 --> 00:27:58.759 ninety year old, and that ninety pounds woman. Okay, that 397 00:27:58.839 --> 00:28:02.240 bullet is in completely intact, just a little bit of 398 00:28:02.319 --> 00:28:05.519 crimping at the base, the nose, the cone, the jacket, 399 00:28:05.680 --> 00:28:11.039 completely intact, having broken these two large bones, and the 400 00:28:11.079 --> 00:28:14.720 trajectory I've already talked about, So put together the weight, 401 00:28:15.960 --> 00:28:19.359