1 00:00:22,679 --> 00:00:27,760 Speaker 1: And hello, Welcome one and all to the Big Podcast 2 00:00:27,839 --> 00:00:32,439 on this Thursday. Today is the nineteenth day of February, 3 00:00:33,240 --> 00:00:35,640 Year of Our Lord twenty twenty six. My name is 4 00:00:35,679 --> 00:00:42,000 Tom Sullivan. So there's a lot to go over today. 5 00:00:42,039 --> 00:00:45,280 We've got the back to reporting on Thursday morning. We've 6 00:00:45,280 --> 00:00:47,119 got the jobs report out, a little bit about the 7 00:00:47,159 --> 00:00:51,679 economy and how that's shaping up this week. There are 8 00:00:51,840 --> 00:00:54,200 Democrats that want to get rid of ICE, want to 9 00:00:54,200 --> 00:00:58,079 get rid of homeland security, the whole darn thing, and 10 00:00:58,399 --> 00:01:01,640 some that don't. We have both opinions on all of that. 11 00:01:02,719 --> 00:01:06,280 More from the social media trial going on in Los Angeles, 12 00:01:07,640 --> 00:01:14,640 and probably the big story of the morning is about 13 00:01:14,719 --> 00:01:19,239 the news out of Great Britain that the man formerly 14 00:01:19,319 --> 00:01:26,680 known as Prince Prince Andrew has been arrested, arrested by 15 00:01:26,719 --> 00:01:33,000 the police in London. And they yes, it's a shock. 16 00:01:33,159 --> 00:01:37,480 I know that Prince Andrew has had his prince title 17 00:01:37,519 --> 00:01:40,200 taken away from him, but that's the way I remember. 18 00:01:40,359 --> 00:01:43,239 I don't remember the whole rest of it, the rest 19 00:01:43,280 --> 00:01:46,719 of his name. In any case, it was all about 20 00:01:47,560 --> 00:01:51,040 Jeffrey Epstein. And this is just another example of the 21 00:01:51,159 --> 00:01:55,560 Jeffrey Epstein story is not going to go away for 22 00:01:55,680 --> 00:01:58,159 a very long time. And now maybe some of you 23 00:01:58,239 --> 00:02:01,400 are tired of it. Maybe I sometimes stop and think 24 00:02:01,439 --> 00:02:05,799 nothing's gonna nobody's getting any nobody's getting arrested. Well, all 25 00:02:05,840 --> 00:02:09,199 of a sudden, we got a guy arrested. But listen 26 00:02:09,360 --> 00:02:14,120 to this. It doesn't have a thing to do with 27 00:02:14,560 --> 00:02:22,080 the women with Prince Andrew uh playing around with women, 28 00:02:22,159 --> 00:02:25,520 let alone under age women that would be supplied by 29 00:02:25,800 --> 00:02:31,639 Jeffrey Epstein. The story is not everybody's hearing it associated 30 00:02:31,680 --> 00:02:35,120 with Jeffrey Epstein. Oh yeah, and he had that photo 31 00:02:35,120 --> 00:02:38,520 of him and Virginia Gouffrey uh and so there and 32 00:02:38,599 --> 00:02:41,800 Julane Maxwell. So oh, thiss got to be the sex 33 00:02:41,879 --> 00:02:46,960 crime thing came out. No. During this period of time, 34 00:02:47,360 --> 00:02:52,319 he was also in his role in the government as 35 00:02:52,360 --> 00:02:58,199 the head the trade diplomat, so he had all kinds 36 00:02:58,199 --> 00:03:04,479 of information about business going on into and out of 37 00:03:04,639 --> 00:03:10,080 Great Britain. And apparently he has been arrested and they're 38 00:03:10,120 --> 00:03:16,919 investigating whether or not he shared state secrets with Jeffrey Epstein, 39 00:03:16,960 --> 00:03:20,080 which brings up the other side of Jeffrey Epstein, which 40 00:03:20,080 --> 00:03:22,919 a lot of reports have said over the years that 41 00:03:23,039 --> 00:03:28,800 maybe he was working for the FBI, maybe he was 42 00:03:28,879 --> 00:03:33,039 working for the CIA. There's even been reports, and maybe 43 00:03:33,080 --> 00:03:38,520 he was an undercovered double agent for the Russians. So 44 00:03:38,639 --> 00:03:45,599 let's start off with this reporter from the BBC that 45 00:03:45,800 --> 00:03:50,919 lays out the fact that this arrest is about business 46 00:03:51,759 --> 00:03:55,240 and state secrets, not about the women. 47 00:03:55,680 --> 00:03:55,800 Speaker 2: Sir. 48 00:03:56,319 --> 00:03:58,960 Speaker 3: Now, again, I do want to emphasize that this arrest 49 00:03:59,319 --> 00:04:03,520 is around his time as trade envoy, not around the 50 00:04:03,560 --> 00:04:08,400 allegations of sexual misconduct. But he did settle a civil 51 00:04:08,439 --> 00:04:12,479 case with miss Giffrey, reportedly for millions of dollars several 52 00:04:12,560 --> 00:04:16,199 years ago. So those allegations have absolutely swirled around mister 53 00:04:16,240 --> 00:04:18,920 Andrew mount Batten Windsor for many, many years. And so 54 00:04:18,959 --> 00:04:21,680 you're going to hear in the voices of victims like 55 00:04:21,759 --> 00:04:25,800 Virginia Giffrey's family, a sense that there is a start 56 00:04:25,879 --> 00:04:29,720 here of justice, even if this arrest is not necessarily 57 00:04:29,759 --> 00:04:32,120 about the sexual misconduct allegations. 58 00:04:34,079 --> 00:04:36,600 Speaker 1: This reminds me of the story that I think many 59 00:04:36,639 --> 00:04:39,759 of us have heard over the years that al Capone, 60 00:04:39,879 --> 00:04:46,199 the Great mob Guy, was arrested and brought into custody 61 00:04:46,199 --> 00:04:50,639 and put in prison over income tax evation. He didn't 62 00:04:50,680 --> 00:04:54,800 report his illegal income on his form ten forty, and 63 00:04:54,879 --> 00:04:57,639 so they arrest They got him on income tax ovation, 64 00:04:57,879 --> 00:05:02,920 not on murder, on prostitution, not on drugs, none of them. 65 00:05:03,560 --> 00:05:05,839 And that may be what they're doing here, as they're 66 00:05:05,879 --> 00:05:13,959 getting formerly Prince Andrew on sharing trade secrets. Kate Williams 67 00:05:14,160 --> 00:05:19,319 is a royal historian and she says the whole country 68 00:05:19,439 --> 00:05:20,360 is aghast. 69 00:05:21,319 --> 00:05:25,519 Speaker 4: This is extraordinary, This is unprecedented. We haven't seen a 70 00:05:25,639 --> 00:05:28,399 senior royal arrested since the seventeenth century. 71 00:05:28,399 --> 00:05:30,839 Speaker 5: That would be Charles, the first in the civil Wars. 72 00:05:31,399 --> 00:05:34,000 Speaker 4: I have never I never expected this, the fact that 73 00:05:34,240 --> 00:05:36,920 Andrew has been arrested, that the King is going to 74 00:05:36,920 --> 00:05:39,720 support that arrest, that we don't know what's going to 75 00:05:39,759 --> 00:05:42,639 happen next. But will Andrew be charged? This is this 76 00:05:42,839 --> 00:05:46,480 serious question. The fact is that the whole principle of 77 00:05:46,480 --> 00:05:49,680 the Royal family is it's about perception, it's about message. 78 00:05:49,720 --> 00:05:51,360 Speaker 5: They were ordained by God. 79 00:05:51,439 --> 00:05:53,959 Speaker 4: That was the original idea, ordained by God as this 80 00:05:54,199 --> 00:05:57,199 sort of almost magical family to represent the United Kingdom. 81 00:05:57,439 --> 00:06:01,000 And here we have a senior, senior member, the king's 82 00:06:01,079 --> 00:06:03,839 own brother, who was one second in line to the throne. 83 00:06:03,920 --> 00:06:06,639 He is now being arrested in a police cell, the 84 00:06:06,680 --> 00:06:09,040 same kind of police cell that they put any kind 85 00:06:09,079 --> 00:06:10,319 of person who's under arrest. 86 00:06:10,360 --> 00:06:12,720 Speaker 5: It's going to be very small, with very few. I 87 00:06:12,759 --> 00:06:13,279 mean it is. 88 00:06:13,560 --> 00:06:16,480 Speaker 4: That is where the man who is formerly Prince Andrew. 89 00:06:16,519 --> 00:06:19,879 That is where Andrew Mountbatten is. And this is a seismic, 90 00:06:20,160 --> 00:06:23,360 extraordinary day for history for the United Kingdom. And this 91 00:06:23,439 --> 00:06:26,519 is going to be seismic, a crisis for the whole family. 92 00:06:26,839 --> 00:06:30,519 Speaker 1: Well it's more than a crisis for the royal family 93 00:06:30,680 --> 00:06:36,680 because the other part about this is this Epstein story. 94 00:06:36,839 --> 00:06:40,600 The tentacles of it just keep going out further and further. 95 00:06:42,000 --> 00:06:44,160 There was very little news here. There were some but 96 00:06:44,199 --> 00:06:47,360 not a lot about it, but big news in Great 97 00:06:47,399 --> 00:06:51,480 Britain about their ambassador to the United States his name 98 00:06:52,319 --> 00:06:58,600 Peter Mandelssohn and Peter Mandelsshon showed up is a friendly 99 00:06:58,800 --> 00:07:04,120 and friendly email with Jeffrey Epstein. So that was it. 100 00:07:04,319 --> 00:07:07,879 Mandelsson had to resign. He stepped down. This is their ambassador. 101 00:07:08,000 --> 00:07:12,000 The relationship the ambassador to and from Great Britain is 102 00:07:12,000 --> 00:07:16,160 a big deal, and so Mandelsson had to step down. Well, 103 00:07:17,160 --> 00:07:20,879 in the political world over in Great Britain, who appointed 104 00:07:20,920 --> 00:07:25,319 Mandelsson to be the ambassador to the United States. It 105 00:07:25,759 --> 00:07:32,240 was tears Starmer. Yes, the head of the of the 106 00:07:32,480 --> 00:07:35,959 of the government, and so as the Prime Minister of 107 00:07:35,959 --> 00:07:39,240 Great Britain, he is now getting a lot of grief 108 00:07:39,319 --> 00:07:44,319 about Hey, you're the one who appointed Mandelsson and that 109 00:07:44,560 --> 00:07:49,800 ties you in with Jeffrey Epstein. Uh, it just gets 110 00:07:49,920 --> 00:07:54,319 They're worried about it growing into the British government. But 111 00:07:54,360 --> 00:07:59,360 then the other question is what about the king and 112 00:08:00,040 --> 00:08:03,800 did the king know about this hold on? Here's more 113 00:08:03,879 --> 00:08:05,079 from Kate Williams. 114 00:08:05,639 --> 00:08:07,319 Speaker 4: He's the brother of the king and you've hit the 115 00:08:07,399 --> 00:08:09,480 nail on the head there. What the royal family have 116 00:08:09,560 --> 00:08:12,800 been trying to do has is distanced themselves from Andrew. 117 00:08:12,839 --> 00:08:15,319 For a long time, they were really burying their head 118 00:08:15,319 --> 00:08:17,399 in the sand, imagining that it wasn't going to get 119 00:08:17,399 --> 00:08:19,519 any worse, nothing would happen, it would all blow over. 120 00:08:19,879 --> 00:08:22,639 Then by the end of last year they realized this 121 00:08:22,839 --> 00:08:23,439 was serious. 122 00:08:23,480 --> 00:08:24,720 Speaker 5: They distanced themselves. 123 00:08:25,439 --> 00:08:28,160 Speaker 4: His title of Prince was removed, he stepped back from 124 00:08:28,160 --> 00:08:28,800 the title. 125 00:08:28,519 --> 00:08:29,199 Speaker 5: Of Duke of York. 126 00:08:29,279 --> 00:08:31,800 Speaker 4: Only Parliament can remove that, and he was taken out 127 00:08:31,839 --> 00:08:34,720 of his huge mansion on the royal estate. But he's 128 00:08:34,720 --> 00:08:37,200 in another royal estate. And this is the problem. I 129 00:08:37,240 --> 00:08:39,879 think people will say, but what did the king know? 130 00:08:40,360 --> 00:08:42,519 How long did you know about it? At the very 131 00:08:42,639 --> 00:08:46,320 least Miss Chiffray, Virginia Jeffray, she said that there was 132 00:08:46,360 --> 00:08:50,200 an agreement that she wouldn't say anything about her experiences, 133 00:08:50,240 --> 00:08:52,320 her suffering as she'd put it at the hands of 134 00:08:52,360 --> 00:08:55,799 Andrew during the Queen's jubilee year twenty twenty two. That 135 00:08:55,919 --> 00:08:58,919 was a legal agreement and when the Queen passed in 136 00:08:58,960 --> 00:09:02,080 September twenty twenty to that was clearly still in place 137 00:09:02,120 --> 00:09:05,240 because she didn't talk throughout the king succession. So at 138 00:09:05,240 --> 00:09:08,000 the very least the king knew about that. The King 139 00:09:08,120 --> 00:09:10,720 kept it in position. And people, I think are going 140 00:09:10,759 --> 00:09:14,799 to say, but you're also you're an institution, your business, 141 00:09:15,000 --> 00:09:17,120 but you're also a family, and how much did you 142 00:09:17,200 --> 00:09:19,519 know about this man who is your brother. 143 00:09:20,120 --> 00:09:24,320 Speaker 1: So it's, like I said, the Epstein story not only 144 00:09:24,559 --> 00:09:28,600 far from over, it's growing, and it's growing right up 145 00:09:28,639 --> 00:09:32,840 to the top, the tippy top tips of the British 146 00:09:32,840 --> 00:09:35,799 government and the royal family and the problem with the 147 00:09:35,879 --> 00:09:39,000 royal family. And I've admitted it before I'll turn in 148 00:09:39,080 --> 00:09:43,120 my man, Carlo, I am I don't know why I'm 149 00:09:43,159 --> 00:09:48,919 fascinated by the royals, But they're very They've got a 150 00:09:48,960 --> 00:09:51,600 group of people, a fairly large group of people that 151 00:09:51,720 --> 00:09:57,120 are anti monarchy, and they're looking for anything to get 152 00:09:57,240 --> 00:10:00,480 rid of the whole monarchy because the tag e payers 153 00:10:00,480 --> 00:10:02,720 of Great Britain pay a lot of money to support 154 00:10:03,080 --> 00:10:06,440 the King and the rest of the family members in 155 00:10:06,480 --> 00:10:10,200 there and so all the royal estates and mansions that 156 00:10:10,279 --> 00:10:15,919 they have. So this is their worry, is that the 157 00:10:16,039 --> 00:10:20,480 King and Prince William and Princess Kate and all the 158 00:10:20,519 --> 00:10:23,639 other people there in the royal family are worried about 159 00:10:23,639 --> 00:10:29,360 the fact that Andrew's problems are spreading. And again they 160 00:10:29,399 --> 00:10:35,279 haven't even touched on the accusations of Charles ascusan me 161 00:10:35,320 --> 00:10:41,120 of Andrew and the women with the with Jeffrey Epstein, 162 00:10:41,519 --> 00:10:45,840 So it may possibly turn out a lot of speculation. 163 00:10:46,120 --> 00:10:55,440 Is the reason why Epstein supplied young women, underage women, 164 00:10:56,159 --> 00:11:01,840 young women to Prince Andrew was because Prince Andrew was 165 00:11:01,840 --> 00:11:08,919 feeding him with top secret British government information. So as 166 00:11:09,000 --> 00:11:12,159 long as he was getting the information from Andrew, he 167 00:11:12,200 --> 00:11:15,600 would set him up with some of these underage girls, 168 00:11:16,159 --> 00:11:23,879 and then he owed Epstein, and Epstein then had had 169 00:11:24,000 --> 00:11:27,240 power over him because of the he could blackmail him. 170 00:11:28,440 --> 00:11:31,120 So then the question is who was Epstein working for? 171 00:11:31,279 --> 00:11:33,519 Was he working for the United States government, was he 172 00:11:33,600 --> 00:11:36,279 working for the CIA, or was he working for the 173 00:11:36,360 --> 00:11:40,320 Russian government. But that Epstein, you wonder how he made 174 00:11:40,360 --> 00:11:43,240 all his money. This is part and parcel of the 175 00:11:43,279 --> 00:11:46,600 whole thing. One more on this from Nigel Gardner. 176 00:11:46,919 --> 00:11:50,600 Speaker 2: Become increasingly isolated from the royal family and he's been 177 00:11:50,639 --> 00:11:55,519 practically disowned by the King because his conduct over the 178 00:11:55,600 --> 00:11:59,799 the Epstein scandal, and he should fully be held to 179 00:12:00,039 --> 00:12:02,919 out of face all charges up that may be laid 180 00:12:03,840 --> 00:12:07,840 against him. Prince Andrew could serve many years in prison. 181 00:12:08,120 --> 00:12:11,039 Actually I'm rightly so the many years it depends about 182 00:12:11,080 --> 00:12:13,759 what they come up with. But the many years could 183 00:12:13,799 --> 00:12:18,320 be life in prison. So, like the one reporter said, 184 00:12:18,960 --> 00:12:22,919 they haven't seen anything like this since the sixteen hundreds. 185 00:12:24,759 --> 00:12:28,799 So that's the big that's the big British news. Nancy 186 00:12:29,480 --> 00:12:35,159 Day nineteen. I think I think the Nancy Guthrie story 187 00:12:35,320 --> 00:12:42,080 has reached that point that I call my OJ Simpson theory. 188 00:12:43,519 --> 00:12:46,879 Speaker 1: When O. J. Simpson was arrested until the day of 189 00:12:47,000 --> 00:12:51,919 his trial and his acquittal. During that whole period of time, 190 00:12:52,000 --> 00:12:56,200 people were so tired of that story, and they would say, 191 00:12:56,200 --> 00:12:58,120 I don't want to hear another word about the O. J. 192 00:12:58,240 --> 00:13:00,360 Simpson story. I don't tell you, no, don't want to 193 00:13:00,360 --> 00:13:04,120 hear another what's the latest? What's the latest? They did 194 00:13:04,159 --> 00:13:06,480 not want to know, but they did want to know. 195 00:13:07,000 --> 00:13:12,039 And I think we're there with Nancy Guthrie. She has disappeared. 196 00:13:13,240 --> 00:13:16,919 There is a crime that has been committed. We don't 197 00:13:16,960 --> 00:13:19,159 know who did it, we don't know where she is. 198 00:13:19,360 --> 00:13:22,000 All of a sudden, they're now thinking, hey, maybe Mexico. 199 00:13:22,279 --> 00:13:28,679 Where in Mexico, kidnapping is done regularly. It's part of 200 00:13:28,799 --> 00:13:33,480 the cartel's bread and butter. That's what they do. So 201 00:13:33,519 --> 00:13:37,720 who knows where this goes. But I would imagine that 202 00:13:37,840 --> 00:13:42,000 right now there's a bunch of media there going this 203 00:13:42,120 --> 00:13:44,720 is a cold case. They'll never find her, and I'm going, 204 00:13:44,960 --> 00:13:49,440 this is nuts. They are working behind the scenes on 205 00:13:50,840 --> 00:13:57,840 DNA and other forensic evidence. Forensics takes a long time, 206 00:13:58,200 --> 00:14:02,120 but they they're very he could with getting the answers. 207 00:14:02,879 --> 00:14:07,039 So a lot of people are asking about the genetic genealogy, 208 00:14:07,080 --> 00:14:10,919 and I'm surprised. Maybe it's because I've lived in California 209 00:14:10,919 --> 00:14:13,120 for so long, so I'm very familiar with the Golden 210 00:14:13,120 --> 00:14:19,240 State Killer story. This was a guy who ran around 211 00:14:19,519 --> 00:14:24,039 California raping and killing women and it went on for years, 212 00:14:24,759 --> 00:14:27,559 and when they finally arrested him, the way they finally 213 00:14:27,559 --> 00:14:32,159 got him he was an old man, was through genetic genealogy. 214 00:14:32,200 --> 00:14:37,360 And there was a detective in I think Contra Costa 215 00:14:37,440 --> 00:14:40,480 County Sheriff's department. He worked in the in the crime 216 00:14:40,600 --> 00:14:46,559 lab and that Contracosta County is essentially the Bay Area, Oakland, California, 217 00:14:46,600 --> 00:14:50,480 that area, and he came up with this idea of 218 00:14:50,600 --> 00:14:54,519 using genetic genealogy and because of that where they were 219 00:14:54,559 --> 00:14:58,320 able to identify the guy who was the Golden State Killer. 220 00:14:58,840 --> 00:15:02,480 So here's a lady who is an expert on this. 221 00:15:02,600 --> 00:15:08,000 Her name is Barbara ray Ventor. She is she worked 222 00:15:08,080 --> 00:15:11,799 on the case with that detective to bust the Golden 223 00:15:11,840 --> 00:15:15,919 State Killer. But there's a bunch of police in other 224 00:15:15,960 --> 00:15:19,279 parts of the country that are talking about genetic genealogy 225 00:15:20,440 --> 00:15:24,360 like it's some new thing that they don't know about, 226 00:15:24,519 --> 00:15:28,279 and I don't know, maybe it'll work, I'm not quite sure. 227 00:15:28,720 --> 00:15:31,320 I think it's because a lot of the detectives and 228 00:15:32,120 --> 00:15:35,720 experts that they have on the various news shows are 229 00:15:35,759 --> 00:15:39,399 a bunch of retired guys, and when they were working, 230 00:15:39,799 --> 00:15:44,879 genetic genealogy did not exist. It's been around for about 231 00:15:44,919 --> 00:15:52,960 a dozen years. So here's Barbara ray Ventor explaining genetic genealogy. 232 00:15:53,399 --> 00:15:59,759 Speaker 6: So investigative genetic genealogy takes a sample of the crime 233 00:15:59,799 --> 00:16:03,080 scene DNA in this case, presumably DNA either from the 234 00:16:03,120 --> 00:16:08,080 glove or from the home, and it's uploaded to one 235 00:16:08,120 --> 00:16:12,039 of two databases that allow upload of forensic samples, and 236 00:16:12,080 --> 00:16:16,279 those are jetmatch and family Tree DNA. Unfortunately, we're not 237 00:16:16,360 --> 00:16:19,080 allowed to use some of the bigger databases like Ancestry 238 00:16:19,120 --> 00:16:22,919 in twenty three and Me and my Heritage. So what 239 00:16:22,960 --> 00:16:26,200 we do is we upload the DNA sample, and then 240 00:16:27,159 --> 00:16:31,759 what we're looking for is people who share DNA with 241 00:16:32,200 --> 00:16:36,399 the potential suspect. And so then what we do is 242 00:16:36,480 --> 00:16:42,200 we take a sample their information and we build family 243 00:16:42,240 --> 00:16:45,000 trees for each of those people who share DNA with 244 00:16:45,120 --> 00:16:50,559 the suspect. What we're looking for is common ancestors. So 245 00:16:50,720 --> 00:16:53,639 let's say we get a match with somebody who is 246 00:16:53,639 --> 00:16:57,159 a second cousin. Second cousins share a set of great 247 00:16:57,159 --> 00:17:00,279 grandparents and so we've got a couple of people who 248 00:17:00,279 --> 00:17:03,679 are matching the second cousins. We can then identify that 249 00:17:03,759 --> 00:17:07,279 common set of great grandparents. So then what do we 250 00:17:07,319 --> 00:17:11,160 know about the suspect. We know the suspect must also 251 00:17:11,279 --> 00:17:15,119 be a descendant of that common set of great grandparents. 252 00:17:15,640 --> 00:17:17,880 So then what we do is we turn around and 253 00:17:17,920 --> 00:17:20,960 we build what we call a reverse tree. Now we're 254 00:17:20,960 --> 00:17:24,519 looking for all of the descendants of that set of 255 00:17:24,559 --> 00:17:27,759 great grandparents, and we take what we know about the 256 00:17:27,799 --> 00:17:32,200 suspect and try then to figure out amongst all those descendants, 257 00:17:32,240 --> 00:17:36,480 then who our suspect must be. So, in the case 258 00:17:36,519 --> 00:17:39,599 of the Golden State Killer, we had known that his 259 00:17:39,720 --> 00:17:44,440 first rape had been in about nineteen forty nineteen seventy six, 260 00:17:45,160 --> 00:17:47,799 so we had figured that he was probably born in 261 00:17:48,160 --> 00:17:52,599 about nineteen thirty six or earlier. We knew that he 262 00:17:52,680 --> 00:17:55,480 had been active in northern California. He probably lived in 263 00:17:55,519 --> 00:17:59,279 northern California. I had been able to use this DNA 264 00:17:59,359 --> 00:18:01,920 to get his eye color, which suggested that he had 265 00:18:01,920 --> 00:18:05,240 blue eyes, and so that actually became one of the 266 00:18:05,319 --> 00:18:08,680 pieces of information that we used to identify him. So, 267 00:18:08,720 --> 00:18:12,559 in the case of Nancy Gustri, what we're looking at then, Okay, 268 00:18:12,599 --> 00:18:15,960 this is a good in near to Tucson. We're probably 269 00:18:16,000 --> 00:18:21,279 looking for somebody who lives somewhere in that area. From 270 00:18:21,519 --> 00:18:24,799 the information that the FBI has been gathering from the 271 00:18:25,400 --> 00:18:28,839 ring camera information, they've probably managed to come up with 272 00:18:29,160 --> 00:18:32,079 an approximate age for that person. So again, we would 273 00:18:32,119 --> 00:18:36,839 then use that information once we get the information for 274 00:18:36,960 --> 00:18:39,000 who shares DNA with the crime scene person. 275 00:18:39,400 --> 00:18:42,839 Speaker 1: So everybody wants the answer to this crime to be 276 00:18:42,960 --> 00:18:49,359 solved immediately, and with genetic genealogy that probably isn't the case. 277 00:18:50,039 --> 00:18:52,960 Speaker 6: It can take a long time. So I've solved cases 278 00:18:53,000 --> 00:18:56,440 in less than eight hours where it had close matches 279 00:18:56,599 --> 00:18:59,119 where people shared a lot of DNA with the suspect. 280 00:18:59,720 --> 00:19:01,839 Other cases, you know, you're still working on the two 281 00:19:01,920 --> 00:19:04,559 years later. So I think one of the things that's 282 00:19:04,599 --> 00:19:09,240 important here for the audience to know is that this 283 00:19:09,279 --> 00:19:13,279 could take a while. And so I know everybody's very 284 00:19:13,279 --> 00:19:16,720 anxious to get an answer to who this person is, 285 00:19:17,920 --> 00:19:21,599 but it really could take a while because depending also 286 00:19:21,799 --> 00:19:25,599 on the bioancestry of the suspect, if the person is 287 00:19:25,640 --> 00:19:29,519 not white, that could really be a problem. Because the 288 00:19:29,640 --> 00:19:33,880 databases are about eighty percent white. So if you have 289 00:19:34,000 --> 00:19:36,759 somebody who is in on white, if they're Hispanic or 290 00:19:36,759 --> 00:19:41,839 they're black or some other ethnicity, could be very very 291 00:19:41,839 --> 00:19:43,200 difficult to solve a case. 292 00:19:43,519 --> 00:19:47,720 Speaker 1: Well, that's not good news because they're now looking at 293 00:19:47,759 --> 00:19:53,319 just one hour south of Tucson is Mexico, and not 294 00:19:53,400 --> 00:19:58,559 only the border between the countries, but there are a 295 00:19:58,720 --> 00:20:03,680 lot of people that live in the Tucson area and 296 00:20:03,720 --> 00:20:06,839 of course in Mexico. So if that's the case, and 297 00:20:06,920 --> 00:20:11,279 she says there's not a big database for non whites 298 00:20:12,200 --> 00:20:16,640 which includes Hispanic, then this could be more difficult than 299 00:20:16,839 --> 00:20:22,079 what they thought. But the technology is constantly improving. Back 300 00:20:22,079 --> 00:20:24,200 to a Barbara rayvendor. 301 00:20:24,319 --> 00:20:28,119 Speaker 6: Yeah, the even since since the Golden State Killer, the 302 00:20:28,319 --> 00:20:32,559 techniques have become very sophisticated, and so it's possible to 303 00:20:32,920 --> 00:20:36,039 actually work with very very tiny amounts of DNA, So 304 00:20:36,119 --> 00:20:39,599 that actually should not be a problem. It's more just 305 00:20:39,640 --> 00:20:42,720 a case of being able to build out the trees 306 00:20:43,000 --> 00:20:46,480 and there be the white people in the databases that 307 00:20:46,519 --> 00:20:48,359 we can actually see share DNA with. 308 00:20:49,440 --> 00:20:53,200 Speaker 1: So we wait and while they're busy doing the forensics, 309 00:20:53,799 --> 00:20:56,759 that's all done in labs. But the media in front 310 00:20:56,759 --> 00:21:00,359 of Nancy Guthrie's house. They want they want to add answers, 311 00:21:00,400 --> 00:21:04,799 they want to have video of somebody being the handcuffed 312 00:21:04,839 --> 00:21:07,960 or purp walked or something. But a Bill Daily, former 313 00:21:08,079 --> 00:21:11,640 FBI guy, who makes it clear that no, this is 314 00:21:11,759 --> 00:21:14,559 not anywhere close to being a cold case. 315 00:21:15,039 --> 00:21:17,279 Speaker 7: Well, we're certainly not there yet. There's there's certainly a 316 00:21:17,319 --> 00:21:19,880 plethora of leads that following up on. You know, we've 317 00:21:19,880 --> 00:21:22,480 heard not just the issue of the DNA and the 318 00:21:22,559 --> 00:21:27,240 genealogical DNA, but also we're talking about checking out the backpack, 319 00:21:27,440 --> 00:21:31,079 we're checking out the face mask, we're talking about looking 320 00:21:31,119 --> 00:21:34,039 at the hulster and other items that were purchased. So 321 00:21:34,039 --> 00:21:37,400 there's a whole other line of investigation going on, including 322 00:21:37,440 --> 00:21:40,039 the leads that have come in, literally thousands of leads 323 00:21:40,559 --> 00:21:43,440 that investigators are calling through to be able to prioritize 324 00:21:43,440 --> 00:21:45,640 them and to take a close look at them. So, 325 00:21:45,920 --> 00:21:48,599 you know, certainly we're far away from being a cold case. 326 00:21:48,680 --> 00:21:51,640 Usually that's some time after they've exhausted all their leads 327 00:21:51,960 --> 00:21:54,039 and the thing kind of goes dormant. Just because the 328 00:21:54,079 --> 00:21:56,559 case maybe doesn't have the headlines every day like it 329 00:21:56,599 --> 00:21:59,200 did in the past week, doesn't mean that it's going cold. 330 00:21:59,480 --> 00:22:01,880 Speaker 1: Yeah. I get the sense that the audience they want 331 00:22:02,000 --> 00:22:06,039 the you guys want, you want something, you want something tantalizing, 332 00:22:06,119 --> 00:22:11,359 and now there isn't anything for it. May I hope 333 00:22:11,400 --> 00:22:13,839 it goes quick, but it may take a while. I 334 00:22:13,880 --> 00:22:18,000 think this is people are getting tired of the story 335 00:22:18,039 --> 00:22:21,720 because there's nothing new to advance it, but they want 336 00:22:21,720 --> 00:22:23,640 to know the latest of what's going on. So there 337 00:22:23,680 --> 00:22:28,480 you go. There's a little info about about genetic genealogy. 338 00:22:29,559 --> 00:22:33,400 Some political advice out today that I think is worthy. 339 00:22:33,880 --> 00:22:38,720 Jim Messina, who was the architect of getting Barack Obama 340 00:22:38,880 --> 00:22:46,559 elected president. He's a big Democrat, a brilliant political stratistician. 341 00:22:47,240 --> 00:22:52,119 He knows what he's talking about, and well, let me 342 00:22:52,680 --> 00:22:56,839 play his comments. He's worried that the Democrats are falling 343 00:22:56,880 --> 00:23:00,519 into the trap they fell into before, which was fund 344 00:23:00,559 --> 00:23:05,720 the police, and people the broad electorate out there don't 345 00:23:06,440 --> 00:23:10,000 They don't want the police defunded. They may not like 346 00:23:10,039 --> 00:23:12,519 it when that red light goes on in your in 347 00:23:12,559 --> 00:23:15,839 your rear view mirror, but they don't want the police defunded. 348 00:23:16,400 --> 00:23:17,759 Here's Jim Messina. 349 00:23:18,039 --> 00:23:20,799 Speaker 8: Both it's a plea to give the voters what they want. 350 00:23:20,960 --> 00:23:24,519 What voters are very clear. What they want is accountability 351 00:23:24,519 --> 00:23:28,279 for ICE, strong borders, smart enforcement of our laws, and 352 00:23:28,319 --> 00:23:31,480 a pathway to citizenship. That's what they want. What they 353 00:23:31,480 --> 00:23:34,920 don't want is slogans, and they don't want sort of 354 00:23:35,240 --> 00:23:38,480 you know, radical change. Here the interesting thing, and you've 355 00:23:38,559 --> 00:23:42,559 reported on this. President Trump's numbers have just crashed on immigration. 356 00:23:42,720 --> 00:23:45,799 Now seventy percent of independent voters say they oppose his 357 00:23:45,880 --> 00:23:49,200 actions on immigration. The numbers that haven't moved are the 358 00:23:49,200 --> 00:23:52,119 people who want to abolishize. Twenty five percent of people 359 00:23:52,119 --> 00:23:55,039 want to abolish ize before all this happened. Twenty five 360 00:23:55,079 --> 00:23:57,920 percent of people now want to abolish ize after it happened. 361 00:23:58,240 --> 00:24:00,960 So it's a warning to my Democratic friends to not 362 00:24:00,960 --> 00:24:03,519 get too excited about what they see on Twitter and 363 00:24:03,559 --> 00:24:06,119 get more excited about what the people in America are 364 00:24:06,160 --> 00:24:07,279 actually asking for. 365 00:24:07,519 --> 00:24:11,279 Speaker 1: Okay, So he says that having majority of people are 366 00:24:11,319 --> 00:24:15,359 not in favor of getting rid of ICE. But here 367 00:24:15,519 --> 00:24:21,039 is Congresswoman ill hand Omar, and this is what she thinks. 368 00:24:21,559 --> 00:24:27,000 Speaker 9: There is a lot of conversation about what the dismantle 369 00:24:27,119 --> 00:24:31,519 meant of the Department of Homeland Security should look like. 370 00:24:31,720 --> 00:24:34,119 Speaker 1: If we're not going to go back to p. 371 00:24:34,319 --> 00:24:35,240 Speaker 5: Two thousand and two. 372 00:24:36,839 --> 00:24:41,079 Speaker 9: In looking at how these agencies used to operate without 373 00:24:41,119 --> 00:24:44,359 this level of brutality that we are seeing, then we 374 00:24:44,440 --> 00:24:46,559 need to figure out a different system. 375 00:24:46,759 --> 00:24:50,079 Speaker 1: Yeah, so she's talking about getting rid of the Department 376 00:24:50,359 --> 00:24:54,680 of Homeland Security. Here's another one, Congresswoman, PayPal. 377 00:24:55,440 --> 00:25:01,799 Speaker 10: This whole thing is a giant military and weaponization of 378 00:25:01,839 --> 00:25:06,359 ICE and CBP. They are agencies that should not exist 379 00:25:06,799 --> 00:25:09,519 as they exist. When we get power back, we have 380 00:25:09,599 --> 00:25:14,160 to dismantle them and we can go back to immigration 381 00:25:14,359 --> 00:25:17,480 enforcement as a civil system, because that's what it is, 382 00:25:17,799 --> 00:25:18,400 all right. 383 00:25:18,240 --> 00:25:21,000 Speaker 1: So there you go. She says, when the Democrats get 384 00:25:21,079 --> 00:25:25,680 power back, they're going to dismantle the Department of Homeland 385 00:25:25,759 --> 00:25:28,680 Security back to Jim Cina. 386 00:25:28,839 --> 00:25:31,480 Speaker 8: That's just not what voters hear, right, that's not reality. 387 00:25:31,720 --> 00:25:34,519 Swing voters think about politics four minutes a week and 388 00:25:34,559 --> 00:25:36,000 they kind of look at this and say, what are 389 00:25:36,039 --> 00:25:39,640 people actually saying and trying to get into that nuance? 390 00:25:39,880 --> 00:25:42,559 I think just doesn't work. We've been through this. We 391 00:25:42,640 --> 00:25:46,200 know on the defund the police issue, how Republicans used 392 00:25:46,200 --> 00:25:50,319 it against Democrats in election after election and one elections 393 00:25:50,319 --> 00:25:53,000 after this, we've been right in the middle. We've been 394 00:25:53,039 --> 00:25:56,240 fighting for exactly what the American public wants, which is 395 00:25:56,240 --> 00:25:59,920 a reform of vice and strong borders and strong immigration. 396 00:26:00,079 --> 00:26:03,160 And if we stay there, we will win this debate. 397 00:26:03,240 --> 00:26:06,160 The American public is on our side on this. We 398 00:26:06,279 --> 00:26:08,160 just can't go too far. And I think that's where 399 00:26:08,160 --> 00:26:12,640 the most Democrats are. It's just a reminder to get 400 00:26:12,680 --> 00:26:13,480 off Twitter and. 401 00:26:13,799 --> 00:26:16,720 Speaker 1: Get off Twitter. But that's the voice of the Democrat 402 00:26:16,839 --> 00:26:21,720 Party is ill hand Omar and Congressman PayPal. And that's 403 00:26:21,720 --> 00:26:23,839 what people will be listening to is they say we 404 00:26:23,880 --> 00:26:26,960 want to defund police and shot. Not only defund the police, 405 00:26:27,079 --> 00:26:32,599 defund ice, but shut down the entire Department of Homeland Security. 406 00:26:33,880 --> 00:26:36,839 So Tom Holman, what do you make of this? 407 00:26:37,599 --> 00:26:39,640 Speaker 11: Good luck with that? I mean, they want to abolish 408 00:26:39,720 --> 00:26:44,359 the Department of Homeland Security, what you said was developed 409 00:26:44,359 --> 00:26:46,960 after the terrorist tax here in the United States. They 410 00:26:47,000 --> 00:26:50,839 want to do away the agency that enforces the laws 411 00:26:50,880 --> 00:26:53,759 that they enacted. It just don't make sense. I'm just 412 00:26:53,799 --> 00:26:57,400 doing the same thing they've done in the last three decades. 413 00:26:57,440 --> 00:26:59,279 It's just that they got more work to do now 414 00:26:59,319 --> 00:27:02,119 because of the last four years open border with ten 415 00:27:02,200 --> 00:27:05,079 over ten million people come across the border. It legally 416 00:27:05,119 --> 00:27:08,640 released the United States many of public safety threats and 417 00:27:08,720 --> 00:27:12,079 national security threats. So yeah, ICE is working harder now 418 00:27:12,119 --> 00:27:14,640 because we're responding to four years of open border to 419 00:27:14,799 --> 00:27:17,599 non no immigration enforcement at all. 420 00:27:17,640 --> 00:27:23,000 Speaker 1: Messina is basically warning the Democrats stop with that crazy talk, 421 00:27:23,200 --> 00:27:26,400 or you're going to keep losing elections. That's what it 422 00:27:26,400 --> 00:27:29,799 comes down to social media. Speaking of crazy talk, yesterday, 423 00:27:30,319 --> 00:27:33,039 I ran to it on about the fact that they've 424 00:27:33,079 --> 00:27:38,759 got this social media lawsuit against Meta and against YouTube 425 00:27:39,640 --> 00:27:42,920 and Mark Lanier, who I've known Mark for many, many years. 426 00:27:42,960 --> 00:27:46,400 He's a very successful trial lawyer, and he's made a 427 00:27:46,440 --> 00:27:50,079 lot of money by going after giant corporations and getting 428 00:27:50,119 --> 00:27:53,519 big settlements. So I'm sure that's what he's going for here. 429 00:27:53,559 --> 00:27:56,640 But this is about the fact that he is claiming 430 00:27:57,440 --> 00:28:03,160 that the social media companies have created algorithms that make 431 00:28:03,240 --> 00:28:12,480 their products addictive and therefore, especially underage people get addicted 432 00:28:12,519 --> 00:28:15,640 to this stuff and have caused harm. They have a 433 00:28:15,720 --> 00:28:18,960 number of them. The parents are talking about their children 434 00:28:19,039 --> 00:28:24,079 that sadly committed suicide. But listen, here's a mother of 435 00:28:24,119 --> 00:28:27,759 one of the children who died who is part of 436 00:28:27,799 --> 00:28:28,559 this lawsuit. 437 00:28:30,640 --> 00:28:34,119 Speaker 12: No, I don't have any satisfaction it's very similar to 438 00:28:34,160 --> 00:28:37,240 what happened in Congress two years ago when he swore 439 00:28:37,319 --> 00:28:39,680 under oath, and I feel just like I did when 440 00:28:39,680 --> 00:28:43,759 I left that day. But we're here, and we're in 441 00:28:43,759 --> 00:28:46,799 a courtroom, so that's a big thing. I believe that 442 00:28:46,839 --> 00:28:49,440 there will be change. I can't say there's anything new 443 00:28:49,480 --> 00:28:52,759 I heard. I just know that more children have died 444 00:28:52,799 --> 00:28:55,200 since my daughter died in twenty twenty one, so things 445 00:28:55,240 --> 00:28:56,200 are not any better. 446 00:28:56,960 --> 00:28:58,799 Speaker 1: This is the part where people get mad at me, 447 00:28:58,839 --> 00:29:01,920 but I firmly believe. I look at this mother and 448 00:29:02,480 --> 00:29:06,319 my heart break for her. There's nothing worse than losing 449 00:29:06,680 --> 00:29:11,920 a child. But where was she if she thought that 450 00:29:12,000 --> 00:29:16,839 the social media was so dangerous and so terrible and 451 00:29:17,000 --> 00:29:21,079 her daughter was having problems because of it, Why didn't 452 00:29:21,119 --> 00:29:25,240 she take the social media away? Why didn't she ban 453 00:29:25,759 --> 00:29:30,359 her child from using social media? Where is the parent 454 00:29:30,599 --> 00:29:33,160 in all of this? They want the courts, they want 455 00:29:33,200 --> 00:29:36,960 Congress to pass rules and laws, but the parent is 456 00:29:37,000 --> 00:29:39,400 the one who lays down the laws in the home. 457 00:29:40,599 --> 00:29:43,000 So I feel bad for her, But I'm looking at 458 00:29:43,039 --> 00:29:44,839 her and all the other mothers that are there at 459 00:29:44,839 --> 00:29:49,240 this trial and going, what did you do about it? Nothing? 460 00:29:49,480 --> 00:29:53,519 Obviously Mark Lanier, who is the lawyer who is bringing 461 00:29:53,559 --> 00:29:55,400 this case. Like I said, I've known Mark for a 462 00:29:55,440 --> 00:30:01,519 long time. I understand what he's doing. He's able to 463 00:30:01,519 --> 00:30:05,160 go after big companies and get settlements and he makes 464 00:30:05,160 --> 00:30:08,359 a boatload of money off of this. But here's Mark 465 00:30:08,480 --> 00:30:09,319 talking about the. 466 00:30:09,240 --> 00:30:14,960 Speaker 13: Case, because that's the whole goal. The financial structure of 467 00:30:15,039 --> 00:30:18,079 Instagram is how many people watch for how many minutes? 468 00:30:18,359 --> 00:30:20,759 Times the ad rate. The only way to make the 469 00:30:20,799 --> 00:30:23,920 company more profitable is to increase the number of watchers 470 00:30:24,079 --> 00:30:26,839 and increase the minutes they watch. How do you do that? 471 00:30:27,279 --> 00:30:31,480 You drive addiction. And they did that specifically and on purpose. 472 00:30:31,960 --> 00:30:35,759 Speaker 1: I agree, that's what every company does. They want you 473 00:30:35,960 --> 00:30:39,559 to like their product. They want you to use more 474 00:30:39,640 --> 00:30:44,880 of their product. I talked about the chocolate chip cookies. 475 00:30:44,960 --> 00:30:50,480 I love chocolate chip cookies, So should I sue the 476 00:30:50,519 --> 00:30:55,319 people that make chocolate chip cookies. I've also I told 477 00:30:55,400 --> 00:30:57,920 you yesterday the story about when I was a little kid, 478 00:30:58,319 --> 00:31:03,880 my parents banned watching the television show Superman because kids 479 00:31:03,920 --> 00:31:08,599 were jumping off of roofs and hurting themselves, and so 480 00:31:08,799 --> 00:31:12,319 I could not watch Superman. I mean, whenever a parent, 481 00:31:12,359 --> 00:31:14,599 first of all, says you can't don't do this, don't 482 00:31:14,599 --> 00:31:16,720 do that. Well, you get to be a teenager, don't 483 00:31:16,839 --> 00:31:21,160 don't you dare drink, don't use drugs. That is also 484 00:31:21,319 --> 00:31:24,359 a sign for kids to go what is that? Oh 485 00:31:24,440 --> 00:31:26,680 maybe I should let's go check out what drinking and 486 00:31:26,759 --> 00:31:31,200 drugs are all about. But as far as addiction, isn't 487 00:31:31,319 --> 00:31:34,920 that what every Isn't that what Disney wants you to 488 00:31:35,039 --> 00:31:38,519 watch their cartoons? Have their children? Have your children watch 489 00:31:38,559 --> 00:31:45,160 Mickey Mouse go to Disneyland? Should we sue Disney because 490 00:31:45,160 --> 00:31:48,680 of the fact that they're aiming their product at children? 491 00:31:49,440 --> 00:31:51,960 And I've always said it's a racket, but it is. 492 00:31:53,319 --> 00:31:58,599 Kids love Disney, live, love Disneyland. So I'm sorry. I 493 00:31:58,640 --> 00:32:02,160 look at this and I think this is absolutely I 494 00:32:02,319 --> 00:32:07,240 hope that they get not a penny from Meta Meta 495 00:32:07,400 --> 00:32:12,200 or who else YouTube on this lawsuit. I hope it fails. 496 00:32:12,680 --> 00:32:15,960 And more down to earth topics. The Jobs report came 497 00:32:16,000 --> 00:32:22,759 out today and two hundred and six thousand first time 498 00:32:22,880 --> 00:32:27,319 jobless claims versus two hundred and twenty three that were estimated, 499 00:32:27,400 --> 00:32:32,000 So it's not a lot. It's a smaller number of 500 00:32:32,160 --> 00:32:38,839 job claims jobless claims. As far as the trade deficit, 501 00:32:39,039 --> 00:32:41,759 our trade deficit. For the report that came out this 502 00:32:41,880 --> 00:32:45,160 morning showed that we have an upside down trade deficit 503 00:32:45,640 --> 00:32:49,920 of seventy billion. That's up from the previous month of 504 00:32:49,960 --> 00:32:54,519 fifty five billion. So all this business about tariffs is 505 00:32:54,559 --> 00:32:59,119 not slowing down our imports at all. In fact, if 506 00:32:59,160 --> 00:33:04,039 anything in our trade deficit is growing, Wall Street today 507 00:33:04,920 --> 00:33:09,079 it did not like that news. It also has the 508 00:33:09,160 --> 00:33:12,440 jitters about whether or not we're going to be in 509 00:33:12,480 --> 00:33:15,640 a war with Iran or not. So the bottom line 510 00:33:15,960 --> 00:33:21,720 today was a negative market now down two hundred and 511 00:33:21,759 --> 00:33:25,240 sixty seven, down to forty nine thousand and three ninety five, 512 00:33:25,720 --> 00:33:30,559 the S and P down nineteen, the Nasdaq down seventy one. 513 00:33:31,559 --> 00:33:35,240 Gold up a buck forty up to five thy ten. 514 00:33:36,039 --> 00:33:40,559 Oil up another dollar, but that's because of again Iran 515 00:33:40,640 --> 00:33:42,759 and potential of war in that part of the world, 516 00:33:42,839 --> 00:33:46,359 So up up another dollar today. Oil now at sixty 517 00:33:46,440 --> 00:33:50,160 six dollars for one barrel. So that's it for today. 518 00:33:50,279 --> 00:33:53,839 Thank you for coming by. We will be back again 519 00:33:53,880 --> 00:33:55,880 tomorrow and I hope to see you then.