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<v Speaker 1>The Lapsed Fan presents Under the Cinemat. Yeah, I love

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<v Speaker 1>to talk film. I have come here to chew bubble

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<v Speaker 1>gum and kick as they break gold. You're going nowhere

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<v Speaker 1>under the Cinemat, Get it out, Get it out? I

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<v Speaker 1>pick up guns. Bad things happen to people. I don't

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<v Speaker 1>like that. We have a movie to make. Can we

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<v Speaker 1>all pull together here? Make movies. Those of you who

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<v Speaker 1>followed Under the Cinemats Carnei's are forever Journey will recall

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<v Speaker 1>that during the episode of Skyfall, we talked about a

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<v Speaker 1>wrestler named Tony Van Silva and that there wasn't a

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<v Speaker 1>lot of information about him, and I had made contact

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<v Speaker 1>with mister Van Silva and he was willing to do

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<v Speaker 1>an interview with Jack and myself. However, we were not

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<v Speaker 1>able to conduct the interview prior to the episode about Skyfall.

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<v Speaker 1>But I am pleased this punch and excited to say

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<v Speaker 1>that we have him. Now, we have former pro wrestler

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<v Speaker 1>stuntman and just from what I've gathered, just an extraordinary,

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<v Speaker 1>an extraordinary talent. Tony Van Silva, How you doing man?

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah? Fine, thank you. Yeah, it's just a bit of

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<v Speaker 2>a bit of a problem with Mini longs for nothing

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<v Speaker 2>too serious, nothing for work out today. But it's our

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<v Speaker 2>call for yet to excuse me, that's why not strue.

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<v Speaker 1>No problem, no problem at all. Yeah, I know I

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<v Speaker 1>appreciate you. I know you told me you had some

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<v Speaker 1>some hell things going on, So I can't even begin

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<v Speaker 1>to tell you how much I appreciate you. You've given

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<v Speaker 1>us the time today.

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<v Speaker 2>No, No, that's fine.

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<v Speaker 1>So we you know, we're primarily a pro wrestling podcast,

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<v Speaker 1>and so I wanted to start out with that because

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<v Speaker 1>it's very it's I found. I read that you started

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<v Speaker 1>your pro wrestling career around the age of seventeen through

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<v Speaker 1>the Brighton Boys Club. Is that correct?

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah, that's right. What happened was, I was working in

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<v Speaker 2>this car wash, running for a job to come up,

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<v Speaker 2>and I said to the guy listener, I'm trying to

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<v Speaker 2>find somewhere to wrestle. The world. Is a wrestled that

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<v Speaker 2>comes in called very luck for the dead now right, anyway,

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<v Speaker 2>I'll make him. And eventually we wound up at the

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<v Speaker 2>Brighton Boys Club. We used to train up where the

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<v Speaker 2>boxers used to train in their ring. They weren't there

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<v Speaker 2>on a Monday, Wednesday, and Friday, and by arrest called

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<v Speaker 2>Asararti was world famous in the day, and that was

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<v Speaker 2>nineteen sixty seven. So on December the fourteenth, nineteen sixty seven,

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<v Speaker 2>which was my seventeenth birthday, I had my first gout.

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<v Speaker 2>So that was the sort of.

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<v Speaker 3>Stuff that's that's great. Tony so Bert Aserati definitely a

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<v Speaker 3>name that yeah, you serious, you know, wrestling historian fans

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<v Speaker 3>will remember. So help us understand what wrestling meant in

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<v Speaker 3>terms of what you got into. Was it she was

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<v Speaker 3>it catch or was it a work?

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<v Speaker 1>What were you training to do?

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<v Speaker 2>Well, the actual training was progressing, you know, the progresss

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<v Speaker 2>do not the w W, f W or what they

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<v Speaker 2>call it. But it was based it was based in

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<v Speaker 2>those days in this country. It was based on catch wrestling. Well,

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<v Speaker 2>most of the moves were genuinely moves, but they weren't

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<v Speaker 2>done properly, if you know what I mean, put them

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<v Speaker 2>on and try and bread details answer that. But they

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<v Speaker 2>were based on some on problem peros on catch wrestling moves.

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<v Speaker 2>And then because you'd get in there and you say, right,

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<v Speaker 2>you get someone in the headlock, you might spend two

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<v Speaker 2>rounds just doing a headlock. If you try to get

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<v Speaker 2>out and you put them back in and the crowd

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<v Speaker 2>of starts stamping f fee and then you change the

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<v Speaker 2>ten bole that you're letting that go. But I don't

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<v Speaker 2>think it went down to win in America because I

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<v Speaker 2>liked that no no offense. I like to have lots

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<v Speaker 2>of action going here, there and everywhere. And you've got

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<v Speaker 2>more acrobatic coming into the business. And it's totally changed

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<v Speaker 2>from h in the sixties to now. And that's because

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<v Speaker 2>that's what people want.

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<v Speaker 1>Yeah, the I want to ask you too, So what

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<v Speaker 1>I'm what I what was kind of the reason I

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<v Speaker 1>reached out to you is because I was trying to

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<v Speaker 1>look you up and see if I could find any

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<v Speaker 1>any any information on you for just for our research.

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<v Speaker 1>And I couldn't find anything, like I I'm fascinated by

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<v Speaker 1>by your entire career because I couldn't. I couldn't find anything.

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<v Speaker 2>Well. The thing the reason being was this, my legal

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<v Speaker 2>name was very hard opening out. So my mother was

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<v Speaker 2>Polish and my name was he ever rng. Okay, so

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<v Speaker 2>someone called me, someone say so I'll start with Tony Jeromsky.

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<v Speaker 2>And we weren't. We were sort of independent. We trained

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<v Speaker 2>at the Boys Club. We put a show on there

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<v Speaker 2>every month, apart from January and then someone say, hell,

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<v Speaker 2>I know someone's got a got apartment of garden with

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<v Speaker 2>a show there. Then we did a gap with Social

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<v Speaker 2>Club and we did shows all over, but we weren't

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<v Speaker 2>part of a big organization, so you'd be are pressed

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<v Speaker 2>to find my name anywhere, really Juronsky A R O

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<v Speaker 2>N s Ki because I made the name up, but

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<v Speaker 2>we weren't sort of allied to any big organizations.

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<v Speaker 1>Oh I love that. That's fantastic. Oh my god, that's amazing. Well,

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<v Speaker 1>that's great. I mean that that that helps with that

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<v Speaker 1>one that with that question. How long did you go?

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<v Speaker 1>How long? How long did your did your wrestling career go?

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<v Speaker 2>Well? I nineteen sixty seven. In January seventy three, I

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<v Speaker 2>moved from Brighton, where I was living, to London and

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<v Speaker 2>I tried to get on with it was a big

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<v Speaker 2>organization called Downmark. They used to be the big, big

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<v Speaker 2>promoters in the South, and they didn't they weren't interested.

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<v Speaker 2>So all I did was found a proper wrestling club,

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<v Speaker 2>Olympic Freestyle Wrestling Club, and then I went I did

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<v Speaker 2>Olympic freestyle wrestling from then on, so I didn't do

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<v Speaker 2>any more pro I think I did one bout. I

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<v Speaker 2>helped someone out and that was it, but that was

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<v Speaker 2>under the other name. So I was doing the Olympic

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<v Speaker 2>freestyle wrestling from seventy four. I think the last competition

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<v Speaker 2>was nineteen eighty eight, and then I just used to

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<v Speaker 2>go along as a cat, you know, just just to

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<v Speaker 2>trying to.

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<v Speaker 1>Keep it amazing. So funny enough. I mean usually these

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<v Speaker 1>days you hear more about amateur and Olympic style wrestlers

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<v Speaker 1>going turning pro after after their amateur record is and

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<v Speaker 1>you did the opposite and that's amazing.

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<v Speaker 2>Uh. I did it the other way around because the

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<v Speaker 2>reason being in Brighton there were no Olympic wrestling or

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<v Speaker 2>amateur wrestling clubs there. Okay, so the only place you know,

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<v Speaker 2>like London, Burningham, Manchester, those big cities they would have

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<v Speaker 2>proper wrestling clubs, but other small places in those days didn't.

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<v Speaker 2>I mean it's since the UFC and the popularity of

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<v Speaker 2>catch wrestling there are more places to train. How you've

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<v Speaker 2>got jiu jitsu. There's about four or five jus of

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<v Speaker 2>schools down there, and what they do is that incorporate

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<v Speaker 2>the wrestling as well, so they'll have a wrestling goat

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<v Speaker 2>come along because one helps the other. It to and

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<v Speaker 2>resting and combine it well. Catch wrestling is similar because

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<v Speaker 2>it's all submissions and locks. They don't do strangleholds. Good

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<v Speaker 2>helps the other. So if you're if you're in MMA

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<v Speaker 2>and you've been arrested liking interim, no mate, it plays

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<v Speaker 2>you to do if you can try or against submission

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<v Speaker 2>to go with these some other side of the wrestling.

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<v Speaker 3>Tony, did you do any shooting in that time period

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<v Speaker 3>or is all your wrestling work matches.

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<v Speaker 1>For the public?

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<v Speaker 2>Was the kind of come to you, Oh.

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<v Speaker 3>Sorry, did you do any shooting in that time period

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<v Speaker 3>or was it all work matches?

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<v Speaker 2>Well, the world matches. And then then when I got

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<v Speaker 2>into the Olympic freestyle, it was real. You know, it's

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<v Speaker 2>shot for the move, but there was no in Olympic wrestling.

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<v Speaker 2>There are no submissions, no move against the joint, no chokes,

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<v Speaker 2>so it's it's either pin or with one points. Sure,

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<v Speaker 2>so it's totally different to puch first with. But obviously

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<v Speaker 2>if you've done wrestling and you do an Olympic and

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<v Speaker 2>then you went into cage, it wouldn't be to transition

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<v Speaker 2>from one to the other.

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<v Speaker 3>I guess I meant more. In your pro days, did

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<v Speaker 3>you ever have a shooting match before the public or

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<v Speaker 3>if you were in front of a crowd, it was

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<v Speaker 3>always a work.

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<v Speaker 2>Oh well, now we was in front of the crowd.

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<v Speaker 2>We didn't shoot, you know, we didn't we did. We

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<v Speaker 2>did it for well, we did it. It's working. We

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<v Speaker 2>weren't sort of trying to kill each other.

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<v Speaker 3>Yeah, we we just hear in the you know, in

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<v Speaker 3>the ancient days. Let's say, I don't literally mean ancient,

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<v Speaker 3>but I mean, you know, turn of the century. Every

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<v Speaker 3>now and then, even though pro wrestlers were accustomed to

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<v Speaker 3>working before the public to you know, maximize the drama,

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<v Speaker 3>every now and then it became necessary perhaps to have

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<v Speaker 3>two guys go in there and shoot to see who

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<v Speaker 3>was superior.

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<v Speaker 2>That's right, yeah, yeah, that's because they get people challenging

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<v Speaker 2>amount of the crowd and then they had to put

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<v Speaker 2>them in their place. For me, from when I was

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<v Speaker 2>in it, there was no shooting. There was no shooting

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<v Speaker 2>very good.

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<v Speaker 3>So when you transition to the Olympic style, what was

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<v Speaker 3>your mentality about Were you thinking of it as a

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<v Speaker 3>career path or was this now just a way to

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<v Speaker 3>stay in shape?

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<v Speaker 2>No, because every since I was a child, I've been

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<v Speaker 2>interested in rest and I just used to love the training.

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<v Speaker 2>To go along there and you've got there, you meet

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<v Speaker 2>a lot of good people, have good camera artery, you

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<v Speaker 2>can have a laugh, and you go to a competition

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<v Speaker 2>fam where you might go at the other end of

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<v Speaker 2>the country. You're always sort of like a team, but

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<v Speaker 2>when you're in the map, you're on your own. So

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<v Speaker 2>I just enjoyed the training. It was just the work

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<v Speaker 2>ethic got enjoyed, which I still do to a degree. Well,

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<v Speaker 2>that's one of the reasons. And I just love the

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<v Speaker 2>rest in that's it's like any other thing, if you know,

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<v Speaker 2>if you like ex playing guards or smooker, you go

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<v Speaker 2>down the park where you're resting able to go to

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<v Speaker 2>get on the map. I enjoyed that of it, that

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<v Speaker 2>hard work.

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<v Speaker 1>That's amazing. And so you said you from from uh

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<v Speaker 1>from a child, you were you were a fan and

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<v Speaker 1>you you really enjoyed and know that you were correct

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<v Speaker 1>me if I'm wrong. But were you born in Hastings,

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<v Speaker 1>East East Sussex.

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah, yeah, So I was born in Hatings and then

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<v Speaker 2>parents moved to Brighton. You know, I was really you know,

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<v Speaker 2>I don't think it was a year old because after

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<v Speaker 2>the war it was hard to get There was a

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<v Speaker 2>lot of displacement places bombed out, so it was hard

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<v Speaker 2>to get, hard to get rented accommodation. But then we

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<v Speaker 2>moved into the local council built sort of social housing.

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<v Speaker 2>We went to social housing which was you know, it

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<v Speaker 2>was good about the part there and you know it

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<v Speaker 2>was grass all around to play football or cricket or whatever.

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<v Speaker 2>Oh yeah, it was all right.

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<v Speaker 1>What uh did you did you do in a lot

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<v Speaker 1>of traveling when you were wrestler, I mean, or did

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<v Speaker 1>you kind of stay within within your kind of area

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<v Speaker 1>your reaching?

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<v Speaker 2>Well, well, what we had because we were stationed not

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<v Speaker 2>stage bog because we used to train at the Boys Club.

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<v Speaker 2>wasn't me as it was a company. So if we

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<v Speaker 2>had to get him to come along and then we've

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<v Speaker 2>moved the ring, load it up, take it to the venue.

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<v Speaker 2>So all in Sussex we never went like really mean,

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<v Speaker 2>to twenty six miles away because you had to get

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<v Speaker 2>the ring there put the ring up. But we had

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<v Speaker 2>a we had a couple of guys at him. We

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<v Speaker 2>worked for an engineering film film and they made the ring.

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<v Speaker 2>There was no nuts and bolts. All of us could

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<v Speaker 2>up from start to for Fish twenty five mire My spanners, No,

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<v Speaker 2>started us all in and with a resting ring. What

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<v Speaker 2>you're doing just when you've got the four sides obviously

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<v Speaker 2>you've got the case going across well, they are fixed

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<v Speaker 2>on the floor at the floor with the resting ring.

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<v Speaker 2>The two center structure go across the floor and when

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<v Speaker 2>you get a slam, it's got some give because if

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<v Speaker 2>you've got no if you get slain, our body's flame

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<v Speaker 2>even though you're breaking, the full shake dropped it. So

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<v Speaker 2>we had a ring with design like that. So if

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<v Speaker 2>you cut eve, the fore sides are on the floor

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<v Speaker 2>with the two across the middle off the floor about

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<v Speaker 2>six or eight inches, so when you got the slam,

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<v Speaker 2>had a bit of give. If you had no give,

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<v Speaker 2>you're in something solid. It really hurts Tony.

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<v Speaker 3>When you were performing before. When you're performing poor crowds

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<v Speaker 3>in England I'm curious, what did you think the mentality

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<v Speaker 3>was of the audience. Did they really buy into what

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<v Speaker 3>they were seeing? Were they having a laugh?

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<v Speaker 2>What was the well you got your die hard fans. Yeah,

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<v Speaker 2>I believe anything right, not being disrespectful to So we

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<v Speaker 2>used to have a guy, Nicky's name was if he

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<v Speaker 2>touched his own sister feet, you know, to flick it.

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<v Speaker 2>So we worked at them his blood he's bleeding. Well,

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<v Speaker 2>you've got to believe in his blood. And then there

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<v Speaker 2>was another guy who used to train me. If he

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<v Speaker 2>threw him towards the rope, he used to dive, so

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<v Speaker 2>his head was between the middle rope and the top rope,

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<v Speaker 2>and one arm was over the top rope and one

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<v Speaker 2>arm was under the middle rope and he'd spring over

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<v Speaker 2>and he'd be hang him like that by his neck in.

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<v Speaker 2>So he did it. I didn't realize he was going

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<v Speaker 2>to do it. So when he did it, I had

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<v Speaker 2>to put a towel over because I was laughing. I'm

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<v Speaker 2>trying to get them, don't get him made to turn around.

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<v Speaker 2>I was. But when people see that, they think, oh,

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<v Speaker 2>he must be real. Kay wow.

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<v Speaker 3>I So, so there was a good degree of buy

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<v Speaker 3>and then from the audience. It was there was you

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<v Speaker 3>guys made it a priority to get people to believe

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<v Speaker 3>it sounds like.

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<v Speaker 2>Well not only there once, even if it was well

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<v Speaker 2>got along on which it could sound so's gone once

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<v Speaker 2>the crowd get dying and they shout and they burn.

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<v Speaker 2>It's like in Texas. Everyone starts shouting and screaming and

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<v Speaker 2>then they get excited and they forget about is it really?

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<v Speaker 1>Is it not?

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<v Speaker 2>Just in the moment there they did the examined. They

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<v Speaker 2>want to see the guy get beaten. There's a bad

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<v Speaker 2>beat boom Bruin's pandemonium. But that's when they go away

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<v Speaker 2>and they might be working. But I enjoyed it. That's

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<v Speaker 2>the main thing.

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<v Speaker 3>What were some of the things the heels would say

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<v Speaker 3>to the crowd in that part of the world to

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<v Speaker 3>get them worked up. We're familiar with United States heel tactics,

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<v Speaker 3>but what would they do in England.

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<v Speaker 2>Well, you didn't actually speak a lot, you just it

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<v Speaker 2>was more justice. So because I was a baddie, I

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<v Speaker 2>used to strutch around and if it's like the women

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<v Speaker 2>was shouting at me, I plan a kish take it.

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<v Speaker 2>I hadn't gone, so you'd sort of wind them up

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<v Speaker 2>and then get bound up, and then people around them

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<v Speaker 2>and get bound up, and then everyone I'd hate you,

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<v Speaker 2>which is what you wanted to do. You want a reaction.

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<v Speaker 1>So you were a bad guy. Yeah, that's amazing.

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<v Speaker 2>I was, but I wasn't. I was. I wasn't bad

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<v Speaker 2>as him doing dirty fowls. I was more aggressive. I

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<v Speaker 2>wouldn't let get up, and I'd follow them down and

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<v Speaker 2>I would go. I would go over the top, and

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<v Speaker 2>my speciality was they phone me. I'd go across the room,

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<v Speaker 2>slide out under the bottom of you stand on the outside.

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<v Speaker 2>One full arm smash. I dropped and I'm problem with

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<v Speaker 2>her one I just got back into the crowd. I

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<v Speaker 2>didn't do that too many times, but one time I

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<v Speaker 2>did it and I landed on a plastic one of

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<v Speaker 2>those seats and metal seats for the play. I ended

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<v Speaker 2>smack into it. The nag's splitting out round up in

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<v Speaker 2>a full in a full raw. I think it's happened

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<v Speaker 2>so fast. I think, you know, I don't think I'll

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<v Speaker 2>be doing that too often. But it was great. Get

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<v Speaker 2>the crowds round up, oh for sure. And he did

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<v Speaker 2>a big job.

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<v Speaker 3>That's that's wonderful. Did you ever run into Billy Robinson.

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<v Speaker 2>No, I never met Billy Robinson. I'll tell you I

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<v Speaker 2>did meet. It was Carl Gotch.

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<v Speaker 1>Oh sure, did you say Pat Roach? That what I heard?

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<v Speaker 3>Oh, Carl Gotch.

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah, yeah, Carl got Because Carl Gotch came to this

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<v Speaker 2>country and he learned Cat's catch can. He was friend

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<v Speaker 2>with Billy Robinson and then he went to America in

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<v Speaker 2>nineteen sixty and then he was in Japan. He was

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<v Speaker 2>known as the god of pro wrestling because he talked.

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<v Speaker 2>He talked the people that took sako Aba Tatch wrestling

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<v Speaker 2>over there, and then Billy Robinson went over there. So

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<v Speaker 2>they were big names in the rest because he put

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<v Speaker 2>together the nine Pank crist Instead of Pank Cristion, which

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<v Speaker 2>is the old great name for the mids Marshals, they

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<v Speaker 2>called it Pangchris. So I'll maybe twice over here. Very

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<v Speaker 2>knowledgeable of the full rest pics of the wrestling, you know,

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<v Speaker 2>the program and the and the patch wrestling, but I've

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<v Speaker 2>never actually met Billy Robinson.

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<v Speaker 1>That's that reminds me too, you know. We uh, we've

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<v Speaker 1>had we've noticed as we've been doing the James Bond films,

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<v Speaker 1>uh and kind of finding the wrestling connections and the

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<v Speaker 1>James Bond films. We've found out there are quite a few.

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<v Speaker 1>There are a lot, and the majority of them have

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<v Speaker 1>a wrestling connection. And I'm curious, did you Well, I'm

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<v Speaker 1>gonna throw some names at you if you don't mind,

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<v Speaker 1>and I'm gonna see, uh, if you ever crossed paths

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<v Speaker 1>or met them or whatever. Milton Reed, who is the

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<v Speaker 1>Mighty Chang?

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah? I never mentioned he was a friend of Bird,

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<v Speaker 2>but I heard about him obviously, never meant.

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<v Speaker 1>How about Tiger Joe or Doug Robinson.

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<v Speaker 2>Doug was used to living Brian. I met him a

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<v Speaker 2>few times, you know, I just met for someone else.

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<v Speaker 2>But he used to run at judo and a karate school. Joe, Yeah,

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<v Speaker 2>Doug Doromins. Yeah, that's one of the There was two brothers, Doug, Yeah,

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<v Speaker 2>Joe and Doug, and that Joe was Yeah, Joe was

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<v Speaker 2>the guy that had the Jim and Brian. He was

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<v Speaker 2>the biggest a two Dougie Rominson. I will with him

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<v Speaker 2>on a few jobs years ago. He was the judo man.

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<v Speaker 1>Yeah, did you and they also did was it a

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<v Speaker 1>Cumberland Westmoreland style too? Did you ever do that?

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah, that's no that's all very rare to get people

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<v Speaker 2>doing that. You know, that's more like where it comes from.

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<v Speaker 2>It's not sort of it's sort of combined contained in

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<v Speaker 2>the area, you know, the practis thing was more popular,

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<v Speaker 2>that's more stylized the Cumberland in the area and most

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<v Speaker 2>probably saying but outside.

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<v Speaker 1>Yeah, we were, we were pretty fascinated by just when

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<v Speaker 1>we were reading about it or talking about it. I

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<v Speaker 1>had never heard of it before until we started doing

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<v Speaker 1>research on the Robinson's and I was we were both

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<v Speaker 1>Jack and I were both kind of amazed that at

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<v Speaker 1>this at this particular style of wrestling the Cumberland West.

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<v Speaker 2>Be honest with you, I've never I've never seen it,

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<v Speaker 2>but it's I do know that looking at pictures of Jusses,

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<v Speaker 2>what they were doing was a lot of different than

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<v Speaker 2>than the cat could you see was a hybrid, it

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<v Speaker 2>was a highbrid. It was started out it's a submission wrestling.

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<v Speaker 2>So say some guys ago doing the merchant over, they

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<v Speaker 2>go to Japan and they go to the gym. I've

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<v Speaker 2>got a move. I show this move now inju you've

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<v Speaker 2>got an arm bar. You know that, you obviously know, Yeah,

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<v Speaker 2>But in cats, I put the arm bar. Then if

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<v Speaker 2>the guy's too strong, they just grabbed the hand and

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<v Speaker 2>I put a wristlock on. So you've got two moves there.

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<v Speaker 2>So they do sort of they change the moves they

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<v Speaker 2>make them. I mean catch wrestling is really the old style,

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<v Speaker 2>not now. The old style is really this you've got

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<v Speaker 2>if they would if the guy was going into forwards

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<v Speaker 2>and they were on his called the Saturday Night ride

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<v Speaker 2>when they hooked their legs in the break him down.

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<v Speaker 2>They use palm stripes to the back of the head

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<v Speaker 2>and then you know, I mean like and then standing

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<v Speaker 2>move where the guy comes in your elbow in your face,

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<v Speaker 2>stepped to the side, elbow goes into his temple. You

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<v Speaker 2>grabbed the army and you do a kimo with double

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<v Speaker 2>wristlop andy click him over. You know that you can't

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<v Speaker 2>do that nowadays. It is too it's It was in

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<v Speaker 2>the Olympics something about nineteen oh four, nineteen oh eight,

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<v Speaker 2>but it was deemed too vicious because I tried palms.

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<v Speaker 3>Yeah, understanding Tony that you don't know a lot about

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<v Speaker 3>those regional styles like the Cumberland style. One thing that's

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<v Speaker 3>always fascinated me as a fan of wrestling history is

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<v Speaker 3>is why these different styles exist and what what does

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<v Speaker 3>it denote to say that this is a different style.

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<v Speaker 3>Does it mean that the matches have different rules?

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<v Speaker 2>Well, I suppose it was just the way it evolved

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<v Speaker 2>in that area. You know, someone said, all, he's a teacher.

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<v Speaker 2>You went along and he taught you, and then yeah,

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<v Speaker 2>you had shown a move, and then maybe you can

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<v Speaker 2>improve that move. It just evolves, or it does evolved,

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<v Speaker 2>it stays same, and if it stays the same, it

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<v Speaker 2>doesn't last. It's I mean Cumblin and where I wouldn't

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<v Speaker 2>know where where to go to see that. I be

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<v Speaker 2>a place in there, But I mean catch catch wrestling,

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<v Speaker 2>go to with him the famous gym, the snake pit

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<v Speaker 2>that's still going. They do courses. A friend of mine's

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<v Speaker 2>been on the courses instructor with it. You know that's

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<v Speaker 2>a bit more popular.

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<v Speaker 1>Sure. A couple more names I want to throw at you.

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<v Speaker 1>Sonny Caldon is yeah, Sonny cold Coldez maybe.

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<v Speaker 2>Oh yeah, old I worked on a job with him,

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<v Speaker 2>not with him, Sonny yeah, Oh no, he's I think

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<v Speaker 2>he's in Canada now he's dead now, must be his eighties. Yeah,

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<v Speaker 2>I think, I mean, yeah, I think I'm not with him,

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<v Speaker 2>but I was on the same shows in years ago.

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<v Speaker 1>Because because he worked on The Man with the Golden

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<v Speaker 1>Gun and also obviously a wrestler. How about Pat Roach.

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<v Speaker 2>Pat Roach, I worked for a job, not wrestling, because

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<v Speaker 2>I did the stunt work. There was there's a series

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<v Speaker 2>called LV Detainer, Yes, yes, Germany. Yeah, yeah, well I

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<v Speaker 2>did the job. I was a stunt called made. There

421
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<v Speaker 2>was an explosion and I sat down with part really

422
00:24:15.720 --> 00:24:20.240
<v Speaker 2>lovely pain lovely, really nice man, genuine who talk about

423
00:24:20.279 --> 00:24:22.480
<v Speaker 2>of wrestling and this, that and the other. And then

424
00:24:22.599 --> 00:24:25.000
<v Speaker 2>he's gone. Now he's passed a few years ago back.

425
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<v Speaker 2>But yeah, he was a good amateur boxer apparently.

426
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<v Speaker 1>Yeah I did I read that. I read that he

427
00:24:30.720 --> 00:24:31.519
<v Speaker 1>was a boxer as well.

428
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<v Speaker 2>Yeah, yeah, I mean he was a genuine tough guy.

429
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<v Speaker 2>He wasn't he wasn't believe he was. He was the

430
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<v Speaker 2>real bill but lovely, lovely man.

431
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<v Speaker 1>And uh what about Andy Robbin?

432
00:24:46.839 --> 00:24:49.279
<v Speaker 2>No sit him on TV.

433
00:24:50.920 --> 00:24:52.799
<v Speaker 1>Wrestling now?

434
00:24:54.039 --> 00:24:56.319
<v Speaker 2>Yeah, that's he must be in his eighties. Yeah, I

435
00:24:56.400 --> 00:24:58.400
<v Speaker 2>mean I sid him on TV when I was younger,

436
00:24:59.039 --> 00:25:02.319
<v Speaker 2>but I never actually Matka. How about you, I know

437
00:25:02.480 --> 00:25:03.640
<v Speaker 2>of him, you know I saw him.

438
00:25:04.119 --> 00:25:05.680
<v Speaker 3>How about you, Tony did you ever have to work

439
00:25:05.759 --> 00:25:06.519
<v Speaker 3>the wrestling there.

440
00:25:11.279 --> 00:25:16.359
<v Speaker 2>I don't know a human. You've got to remember that

441
00:25:16.480 --> 00:25:18.720
<v Speaker 2>their world animals don't matter how tony you think they are,

442
00:25:18.759 --> 00:25:19.319
<v Speaker 2>they can turn.

443
00:25:20.160 --> 00:25:22.160
<v Speaker 1>That's smart move, smart move on your part for sure.

444
00:25:22.160 --> 00:25:25.119
<v Speaker 2>And if you've got a cat, if you've got a cat,

445
00:25:25.200 --> 00:25:26.920
<v Speaker 2>it is and let me stroke. And if you're still buy,

446
00:25:27.519 --> 00:25:28.880
<v Speaker 2>you've still got that world animal.

447
00:25:28.920 --> 00:25:33.400
<v Speaker 3>But so true. So where did where did the Van

448
00:25:33.480 --> 00:25:34.400
<v Speaker 3>Silva name come from?

449
00:25:35.680 --> 00:25:39.720
<v Speaker 2>Well, when I got on yourself, See, my real name

450
00:25:40.000 --> 00:25:43.079
<v Speaker 2>is a silly name. It's Carrairika and never people never

451
00:25:43.279 --> 00:25:46.319
<v Speaker 2>pat it right and never get it right. So I thought,

452
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<v Speaker 2>Tony Silver, so on inequity, you can't have the same

453
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<v Speaker 2>name for someone else, even if it's your genuine name.

454
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<v Speaker 2>So I thought it said three alternatives, da Silver, Silver

455
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<v Speaker 2>Van and I won't use that. And that's what happens.

456
00:26:07.160 --> 00:26:14.039
<v Speaker 2>You're from Tony Silver Toy. It's unusual, Yeah.

457
00:26:13.839 --> 00:26:16.279
<v Speaker 1>Because like that's that's not that was not a common name. Again,

458
00:26:16.359 --> 00:26:18.480
<v Speaker 1>when I was trying to look up your Van Silva,

459
00:26:18.599 --> 00:26:21.039
<v Speaker 1>I was like, I was realizing that it's not a

460
00:26:21.160 --> 00:26:21.839
<v Speaker 1>very common name.

461
00:26:26.160 --> 00:26:29.640
<v Speaker 2>I was working on a job with Germany, and yeah,

462
00:26:29.720 --> 00:26:32.960
<v Speaker 2>you do, I said, But you have a Dutch name.

463
00:26:33.799 --> 00:26:39.920
<v Speaker 2>I said, no, it's not my real name, right that.

464
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<v Speaker 3>It's pretty amazing to me, Tony, that you know, the

465
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<v Speaker 3>wrestling businesses of course replete with with fake names. Everybody's

466
00:26:47.200 --> 00:26:49.279
<v Speaker 3>got a K fave name in wrestling, but in fact,

467
00:26:49.640 --> 00:26:51.039
<v Speaker 3>and you had one too. I mean, that's not your

468
00:26:51.079 --> 00:26:54.400
<v Speaker 3>real name either that you wrestled under. But the one

469
00:26:54.480 --> 00:26:57.599
<v Speaker 3>you're known for is is the movie business made you

470
00:26:57.720 --> 00:26:59.279
<v Speaker 3>come up with that fake name, not wrestling.

471
00:27:00.680 --> 00:27:03.480
<v Speaker 2>Yeah, that's right. Yeah, No another names of the rest

472
00:27:03.559 --> 00:27:06.039
<v Speaker 2>because it was only an old brain. I've got Beyonces

473
00:27:06.279 --> 00:27:08.720
<v Speaker 2>one time. It was just local. We did it, we

474
00:27:08.920 --> 00:27:11.559
<v Speaker 2>enjoyed it, and we use a different name so that

475
00:27:11.640 --> 00:27:12.920
<v Speaker 2>the text man didn't find out.

476
00:27:14.359 --> 00:27:18.960
<v Speaker 1>Yeah, I love that. I love that. And speaking actually

477
00:27:20.359 --> 00:27:24.359
<v Speaker 1>so you know, I regarding kind of your part of

478
00:27:24.400 --> 00:27:28.039
<v Speaker 1>your transition, just because you talked started talking about the

479
00:27:28.119 --> 00:27:32.599
<v Speaker 1>stunts a little bit and equity and I emailed you

480
00:27:32.640 --> 00:27:36.160
<v Speaker 1>about this too, that there was an article in uh

481
00:27:36.480 --> 00:27:40.799
<v Speaker 1>nineteen eighty four in The Guardian where you were kind

482
00:27:40.839 --> 00:27:44.599
<v Speaker 1>of having an issue with equity and because it was

483
00:27:44.680 --> 00:27:46.960
<v Speaker 1>hard for you to become a stunt worker.

484
00:27:49.279 --> 00:27:52.119
<v Speaker 2>Yeah, I'll tell you what that just say it's totally distant,

485
00:27:52.319 --> 00:27:54.599
<v Speaker 2>but in those days it was there was a little

486
00:27:54.680 --> 00:27:59.640
<v Speaker 2>click sorts and did a lot of influence with the

487
00:27:59.720 --> 00:28:03.599
<v Speaker 2>ex council. So if they didn't like you, you've got

488
00:28:03.640 --> 00:28:06.160
<v Speaker 2>obstacles put in your path, and that's what happened. So

489
00:28:06.240 --> 00:28:08.920
<v Speaker 2>I think it as alicitor I got on in the

490
00:28:09.000 --> 00:28:12.279
<v Speaker 2>end in nineteen eighty six, but all that's done now,

491
00:28:12.319 --> 00:28:16.079
<v Speaker 2>it's it's completely different now. The difference is a lot

492
00:28:16.200 --> 00:28:17.559
<v Speaker 2>is a lot, is a lot better.

493
00:28:18.000 --> 00:28:18.759
<v Speaker 1>That's good, that's great.

494
00:28:18.799 --> 00:28:20.119
<v Speaker 2>I'm glad to say that.

495
00:28:21.640 --> 00:28:23.799
<v Speaker 1>Did so like it's kind of a did you find

496
00:28:23.839 --> 00:28:26.640
<v Speaker 1>it to be outside of this the the equity issue?

497
00:28:27.119 --> 00:28:32.319
<v Speaker 1>Did you find it kind of an easy transition from uh,

498
00:28:32.640 --> 00:28:34.599
<v Speaker 1>I mean you were were you doing the Olympic style

499
00:28:34.640 --> 00:28:36.400
<v Speaker 1>I think at that point, and then you transitioned into

500
00:28:36.440 --> 00:28:37.160
<v Speaker 1>being a stunt worker.

501
00:28:39.519 --> 00:28:43.000
<v Speaker 2>Well, a lot of the stunt work is is you

502
00:28:43.119 --> 00:28:46.880
<v Speaker 2>know fit things, but when you're done pro wrestling, you

503
00:28:47.000 --> 00:28:48.839
<v Speaker 2>know how to sell a fight, you know how to fall,

504
00:28:50.400 --> 00:28:53.000
<v Speaker 2>and then you just got to adapt it to working

505
00:28:53.039 --> 00:28:55.440
<v Speaker 2>in front of the camera because obviously that's totally different.

506
00:28:56.200 --> 00:28:58.400
<v Speaker 2>But when you're in when you're when you're when you're

507
00:28:58.400 --> 00:29:01.039
<v Speaker 2>in front of the public, it's no second take. You've

508
00:29:01.039 --> 00:29:03.519
<v Speaker 2>got to get it right at the first time in

509
00:29:03.640 --> 00:29:06.119
<v Speaker 2>front of the camera. Oh, can we do it again?

510
00:29:06.200 --> 00:29:07.440
<v Speaker 2>Can we do it from a different angle?

511
00:29:07.880 --> 00:29:08.440
<v Speaker 1>To do this?

512
00:29:08.559 --> 00:29:11.599
<v Speaker 2>Can you do that? So that aspect of it is different,

513
00:29:12.119 --> 00:29:18.000
<v Speaker 2>but the actual, the actual progressing experience. And I boxed

514
00:29:18.680 --> 00:29:22.279
<v Speaker 2>when I was younger at school. That come into play

515
00:29:22.880 --> 00:29:24.759
<v Speaker 2>with the fighting. I know how to move, I need

516
00:29:24.839 --> 00:29:27.000
<v Speaker 2>to throw a punch. I know to get thrown. I

517
00:29:27.079 --> 00:29:30.960
<v Speaker 2>know how to throw. So then you just transition. Then

518
00:29:30.960 --> 00:29:33.839
<v Speaker 2>you do a bit of driving work. Someone shows you

519
00:29:33.880 --> 00:29:38.039
<v Speaker 2>how to do certain maneuvers if if I've got the timing,

520
00:29:38.119 --> 00:29:41.119
<v Speaker 2>and you don't see them privately, so you sort of

521
00:29:41.200 --> 00:29:45.640
<v Speaker 2>learn as you go. It's no sort of from stunt

522
00:29:45.680 --> 00:29:48.839
<v Speaker 2>school where you go and you qualify, you come out

523
00:29:48.880 --> 00:29:53.880
<v Speaker 2>and go your stunt. Then you just ifs on now,

524
00:29:53.920 --> 00:29:57.240
<v Speaker 2>but you actually have six qualifications to show that you

525
00:29:57.319 --> 00:30:02.079
<v Speaker 2>were physically that you know you're physically okay to do

526
00:30:02.240 --> 00:30:05.079
<v Speaker 2>the work. So you might do horse riding, which is

527
00:30:05.799 --> 00:30:08.440
<v Speaker 2>fantastic the source of jobs. I used to horse ride.

528
00:30:08.480 --> 00:30:10.279
<v Speaker 2>I never had a horse job that I wasn't known

529
00:30:10.640 --> 00:30:14.160
<v Speaker 2>as a horseman. Then you've got driving, you've got balls,

530
00:30:14.759 --> 00:30:19.039
<v Speaker 2>bites and anything in between. You know, some of these jobs,

531
00:30:19.759 --> 00:30:22.839
<v Speaker 2>you might be running along the wall and jumping off

532
00:30:22.920 --> 00:30:25.359
<v Speaker 2>six foot No big deals there. Anyone can do that.

533
00:30:25.680 --> 00:30:28.559
<v Speaker 2>But when you do it ten or fifteen times, you've

534
00:30:28.559 --> 00:30:30.839
<v Speaker 2>got a chance of explaining your ankle, doing your knee

535
00:30:30.839 --> 00:30:31.200
<v Speaker 2>and your hip.

536
00:30:32.839 --> 00:30:34.359
<v Speaker 1>Oh sure, you have to.

537
00:30:35.759 --> 00:30:43.759
<v Speaker 2>You have to sort of be physically fit and agile athletic.

538
00:30:44.559 --> 00:30:46.200
<v Speaker 2>Bill helps of course.

539
00:30:46.720 --> 00:30:52.240
<v Speaker 3>Yeah, even a lapsed fan wrestling podcast with Jack and

540
00:30:52.359 --> 00:30:54.839
<v Speaker 3>for an SEO and JP Sorrow.

541
00:31:03.200 --> 00:31:05.240
<v Speaker 1>Fan Wrestling podcast.

542
00:31:05.039 --> 00:31:06.839
<v Speaker 3>Tony, did you get hurt on any of the Bond

543
00:31:06.880 --> 00:31:07.960
<v Speaker 3>films doing any stunts?

544
00:31:10.599 --> 00:31:14.000
<v Speaker 2>Not seriously big bangs and crashes. And you know something,

545
00:31:14.039 --> 00:31:17.720
<v Speaker 2>you put your pads on. Sometimes we've got different kinds

546
00:31:17.720 --> 00:31:20.160
<v Speaker 2>of page. I've got We've got a really sick, bulky

547
00:31:20.240 --> 00:31:22.519
<v Speaker 2>page that if you had a big costume money. And

548
00:31:22.599 --> 00:31:27.599
<v Speaker 2>then if I'm wearing a suit, I've got pads cool

549
00:31:27.680 --> 00:31:30.640
<v Speaker 2>and inch thick. That's sort you put it on. You

550
00:31:30.720 --> 00:31:33.640
<v Speaker 2>can a lot of pads take this thing out of it.

551
00:31:34.240 --> 00:31:36.920
<v Speaker 2>You still get the impact. If you keep laying it

552
00:31:37.079 --> 00:31:40.359
<v Speaker 2>down bang over the course of the day, you're going

553
00:31:40.400 --> 00:31:43.119
<v Speaker 2>to feel that. You know, it shakes you up. Anything

554
00:31:43.160 --> 00:31:44.319
<v Speaker 2>that shakes your body up's.

555
00:31:44.200 --> 00:31:44.640
<v Speaker 1>No, good for you.

556
00:31:44.839 --> 00:31:48.799
<v Speaker 2>But I've never had a serious injury. I've had a

557
00:31:48.839 --> 00:31:55.079
<v Speaker 2>lot of bangs and bruises and twists, normal stuff. You

558
00:31:55.119 --> 00:31:56.279
<v Speaker 2>know that as you get a few a sort of

559
00:31:56.319 --> 00:32:00.359
<v Speaker 2>lone the mat, resting or boxing, but not serious.

560
00:32:01.640 --> 00:32:03.839
<v Speaker 1>Did you get any any Did you have any serious

561
00:32:03.880 --> 00:32:05.720
<v Speaker 1>injuries while you were wrestling?

562
00:32:08.720 --> 00:32:14.920
<v Speaker 2>No, only the normal someone sticks head into your buts

563
00:32:14.960 --> 00:32:18.920
<v Speaker 2>you I'm not on purpose, but not to look on purpose.

564
00:32:18.960 --> 00:32:22.400
<v Speaker 2>You know in your competition someone fish someone fish upping

565
00:32:22.440 --> 00:32:24.519
<v Speaker 2>me once and the rest of the see it, which

566
00:32:24.559 --> 00:32:27.480
<v Speaker 2>is very unusual. But when you've got two bodies cliding

567
00:32:27.559 --> 00:32:31.680
<v Speaker 2>together at full pace, you're going to get some injuries.

568
00:32:31.680 --> 00:32:35.960
<v Speaker 2>You're going to get some bruises. But nothing again, fortunately

569
00:32:36.039 --> 00:32:40.119
<v Speaker 2>nothing just I think I did my neck a nick injury.

570
00:32:40.240 --> 00:32:43.160
<v Speaker 2>That's I think for about thirty five years. The six

571
00:32:43.279 --> 00:32:46.799
<v Speaker 2>thirty great down was knocked out. But to get it

572
00:32:46.839 --> 00:32:50.519
<v Speaker 2>put in so and then you've got every wrestler I

573
00:32:50.680 --> 00:32:53.359
<v Speaker 2>know it's been rested, has got its own problem.

574
00:32:53.480 --> 00:32:57.599
<v Speaker 1>Me you mean getting batter always the knees.

575
00:32:58.039 --> 00:33:02.240
<v Speaker 2>There's probably not and your bat and I mean I've

576
00:33:02.240 --> 00:33:05.519
<v Speaker 2>got I've had loads of injuries, but because I think

577
00:33:06.480 --> 00:33:11.000
<v Speaker 2>exact taking all the sacraments. You can't get rid of them,

578
00:33:11.039 --> 00:33:12.160
<v Speaker 2>but you can contain them.

579
00:33:13.599 --> 00:33:15.640
<v Speaker 3>Tony, tell us the story of how you went out

580
00:33:15.680 --> 00:33:18.039
<v Speaker 3>for Bond in the first place. How did you how

581
00:33:18.079 --> 00:33:20.759
<v Speaker 3>did you get aware of the role, and how did

582
00:33:20.839 --> 00:33:21.160
<v Speaker 3>it all go?

583
00:33:22.960 --> 00:33:24.519
<v Speaker 2>Sorry, so again i'll just misstad.

584
00:33:24.799 --> 00:33:26.960
<v Speaker 3>Sure, take us through how you got on Bond in

585
00:33:27.039 --> 00:33:27.799
<v Speaker 3>the first place.

586
00:33:28.799 --> 00:33:33.759
<v Speaker 2>All right, start for Well, what happened was I was

587
00:33:33.839 --> 00:33:40.359
<v Speaker 2>dubbling albut finny I needed someone with someone sort of old,

588
00:33:40.480 --> 00:33:44.640
<v Speaker 2>I suppose, and this son called and Major called me

589
00:33:44.759 --> 00:33:47.240
<v Speaker 2>down and he said, look, I'll put you forward as

590
00:33:47.279 --> 00:33:49.799
<v Speaker 2>the double. But the director wants to have a look

591
00:33:49.799 --> 00:33:53.319
<v Speaker 2>at you. So I went down there and I met At.

592
00:33:53.599 --> 00:33:55.240
<v Speaker 2>I said, I won't win him on another job. At

593
00:33:55.279 --> 00:33:56.960
<v Speaker 2>dabbed him on large iob I said, ohow's the game

594
00:33:57.000 --> 00:33:59.519
<v Speaker 2>go blah blah, which is used to mind from this

595
00:33:59.640 --> 00:34:03.240
<v Speaker 2>director for the earlier. So the director came into the

596
00:34:03.319 --> 00:34:07.559
<v Speaker 2>great room or this man, so he wasn't going to

597
00:34:07.599 --> 00:34:11.280
<v Speaker 2>refuse him. He said, turn around, you're.

598
00:34:12.599 --> 00:34:13.119
<v Speaker 1>About five.

599
00:34:14.159 --> 00:34:16.920
<v Speaker 2>I've got the job. And then he had a beard

600
00:34:16.960 --> 00:34:18.599
<v Speaker 2>in it. So they had to have a beard made

601
00:34:19.840 --> 00:34:23.079
<v Speaker 2>for me, which was no. Eight hundred pounds this bid

602
00:34:23.079 --> 00:34:25.960
<v Speaker 2>because and this is going back about ten years a

603
00:34:26.000 --> 00:34:31.360
<v Speaker 2>little one, our little same costumity. But because when I

604
00:34:31.440 --> 00:34:33.760
<v Speaker 2>was introduced him and I said, how do you wish

605
00:34:33.840 --> 00:34:35.679
<v Speaker 2>me to just he said, I'll call me Albert. So

606
00:34:36.559 --> 00:34:38.800
<v Speaker 2>he wasn't up himself. He was a real down to

607
00:34:38.920 --> 00:34:42.880
<v Speaker 2>a man and he was one of the top back

608
00:34:42.920 --> 00:34:46.239
<v Speaker 2>to it at one time. You know, he was a

609
00:34:46.480 --> 00:34:51.000
<v Speaker 2>tough man, but he was like he couldn't help. But

610
00:34:51.119 --> 00:34:54.920
<v Speaker 2>like he's a really nice, junuine guy, really good experience.

611
00:34:55.320 --> 00:34:57.559
<v Speaker 1>He seems like an honestly, you know, even and all

612
00:34:57.599 --> 00:34:59.599
<v Speaker 1>the things that I've that I've ever seen, number finding

613
00:34:59.599 --> 00:35:01.920
<v Speaker 1>and he always seems like he seems like someone I

614
00:35:02.039 --> 00:35:04.280
<v Speaker 1>just i'd want to just sit and talk with. He

615
00:35:04.320 --> 00:35:07.159
<v Speaker 1>seems really nice and and like you said, down to earth.

616
00:35:07.440 --> 00:35:11.199
<v Speaker 2>I mean it's pretty if we say you came on

617
00:35:12.679 --> 00:35:14.639
<v Speaker 2>blah blah blah, he talked to you. He wouldn't say

618
00:35:14.679 --> 00:35:19.760
<v Speaker 2>oh okay. And nucle because as his father was a

619
00:35:19.840 --> 00:35:22.280
<v Speaker 2>book maker, and when his father was a book maker,

620
00:35:22.280 --> 00:35:24.159
<v Speaker 2>it was very egal paced to a bit of running.

621
00:35:24.800 --> 00:35:28.119
<v Speaker 2>And one of the guys here, the dresser who was

622
00:35:28.199 --> 00:35:30.880
<v Speaker 2>dressing both of us, he said he worked in Ireland

623
00:35:30.880 --> 00:35:33.639
<v Speaker 2>with him and he paid for everyone got a coach

624
00:35:33.719 --> 00:35:36.119
<v Speaker 2>and paid for everyone to go to the races, paid

625
00:35:36.159 --> 00:35:40.320
<v Speaker 2>for everything for a day hunters, worked for a lot

626
00:35:40.360 --> 00:35:45.400
<v Speaker 2>of hunters, but a lovely, lovely man. Then.

627
00:35:45.639 --> 00:35:50.679
<v Speaker 1>So during because you were doubling Albert Finney, you were

628
00:35:50.719 --> 00:35:53.880
<v Speaker 1>probably were you were on set obviously with with Judy

629
00:35:53.960 --> 00:35:57.880
<v Speaker 1>Dench and Daniel Craig as well. And yes, I can't

630
00:35:57.880 --> 00:36:01.719
<v Speaker 1>think of his name, the villain too, it was character's

631
00:36:01.800 --> 00:36:05.679
<v Speaker 1>name was silver, so it doesn't. But what was it

632
00:36:05.880 --> 00:36:09.119
<v Speaker 1>like working with all you know, Albert Finiham and all

633
00:36:09.119 --> 00:36:10.880
<v Speaker 1>of this other incredible talent.

634
00:36:12.199 --> 00:36:15.639
<v Speaker 2>Yeah, well, Judy Games is a very nice lady because

635
00:36:16.480 --> 00:36:19.079
<v Speaker 2>I could sort of standing veil that well, she was

636
00:36:19.119 --> 00:36:22.920
<v Speaker 2>old in my arm and walk and then then one

637
00:36:22.960 --> 00:36:26.159
<v Speaker 2>of the stunts being the masks lovely, lovely girl. She

638
00:36:26.280 --> 00:36:29.639
<v Speaker 2>was dubbling Judy Gas. But I worked with her on

639
00:36:29.719 --> 00:36:35.039
<v Speaker 2>another job. It's called carrying Us to Down Jared was

640
00:36:35.039 --> 00:36:38.800
<v Speaker 2>one of those jobs she was in incided, But you know,

641
00:36:38.840 --> 00:36:44.639
<v Speaker 2>I spoke to her. She's really really used Elsworth. Doniel Pray,

642
00:36:46.440 --> 00:36:49.159
<v Speaker 2>I worked with him in the program in ninety four,

643
00:36:49.239 --> 00:36:51.320
<v Speaker 2>called out fan and I know, oh yeah, sure yeah,

644
00:36:53.760 --> 00:36:55.679
<v Speaker 2>And I said, you know and sort of looked a

645
00:36:55.719 --> 00:36:58.239
<v Speaker 2>bit sheep said the wrong. From there, it was a

646
00:36:58.320 --> 00:37:01.719
<v Speaker 2>bit a loof good. And you've got to remember he

647
00:37:01.920 --> 00:37:04.440
<v Speaker 2>was like the star. He's got the whole film. He's

648
00:37:04.480 --> 00:37:06.800
<v Speaker 2>carrying the whole film and his shoulders, you know, so

649
00:37:06.920 --> 00:37:10.480
<v Speaker 2>he can't he's concentrating. I mean we were on the

650
00:37:10.599 --> 00:37:13.880
<v Speaker 2>set in pie We'll do it a sky for that

651
00:37:14.000 --> 00:37:16.440
<v Speaker 2>was inside and I walked into the rig and he

652
00:37:16.519 --> 00:37:19.519
<v Speaker 2>was there and he was practicing. Looks his right for that,

653
00:37:20.400 --> 00:37:23.000
<v Speaker 2>and he just kept practicing. He got it right. He

654
00:37:23.039 --> 00:37:24.760
<v Speaker 2>was on his own because no one knows, just needing it.

655
00:37:25.440 --> 00:37:27.320
<v Speaker 2>I was in there, I was watching him. So he

656
00:37:27.440 --> 00:37:31.320
<v Speaker 2>was dedicated, very dedicated to the job. He went training

657
00:37:31.320 --> 00:37:35.199
<v Speaker 2>and he went in the way. He got a totally

658
00:37:35.280 --> 00:37:38.360
<v Speaker 2>different lifestyle than what he was used to before it

659
00:37:38.559 --> 00:37:41.960
<v Speaker 2>got gone film. Yeah, yeah, yeah, he was.

660
00:37:42.119 --> 00:37:42.320
<v Speaker 1>He was.

661
00:37:42.480 --> 00:37:44.239
<v Speaker 2>I mean, he was all right. He speak alone that

662
00:37:44.760 --> 00:37:47.199
<v Speaker 2>but I wasn't in the physician to have a long

663
00:37:47.239 --> 00:37:51.639
<v Speaker 2>conversations with him because there wasn't the time. But was

664
00:37:51.679 --> 00:37:54.480
<v Speaker 2>on with him all the time. You know, we had

665
00:37:54.519 --> 00:38:01.440
<v Speaker 2>the chat laugh. Yeah, it's really it's a good check.

666
00:38:02.079 --> 00:38:04.840
<v Speaker 1>How many how many days did you work on Skyfall?

667
00:38:07.159 --> 00:38:11.000
<v Speaker 2>Oh? I know, I can't remember because I might do

668
00:38:11.360 --> 00:38:13.679
<v Speaker 2>two days one week and three days next week, and

669
00:38:14.199 --> 00:38:16.639
<v Speaker 2>then I'll be old, you know I can. I'll be

670
00:38:16.719 --> 00:38:18.559
<v Speaker 2>honest with you, I can. I can't can't remember how

671
00:38:18.599 --> 00:38:22.199
<v Speaker 2>many days because I sort of go there. I just think, right,

672
00:38:22.239 --> 00:38:26.119
<v Speaker 2>I made today and do what I do today. I

673
00:38:26.239 --> 00:38:30.119
<v Speaker 2>don't sort of keeping account of bit, you know, I mean,

674
00:38:30.119 --> 00:38:33.320
<v Speaker 2>I suppose I could do it. I looked up I

675
00:38:33.440 --> 00:38:35.480
<v Speaker 2>found I don't really, I don't really know what to

676
00:38:35.519 --> 00:38:35.920
<v Speaker 2>be honest with.

677
00:38:36.679 --> 00:38:40.000
<v Speaker 1>Did you go to the Royal premiere, Tony, And No,

678
00:38:40.159 --> 00:38:40.760
<v Speaker 1>we don't there.

679
00:38:41.760 --> 00:38:44.159
<v Speaker 2>What they do is they normally have cars to prove

680
00:38:44.719 --> 00:38:50.199
<v Speaker 2>showing on a Sunday morning somewhere, and then the actual premiere.

681
00:38:50.199 --> 00:38:52.440
<v Speaker 2>You don't get to that, and there's some sort of

682
00:38:52.800 --> 00:38:55.880
<v Speaker 2>features those. But I didn't have to get to this.

683
00:38:56.559 --> 00:38:58.840
<v Speaker 2>I didn't actually get to the showing a tool. I

684
00:38:58.840 --> 00:39:06.480
<v Speaker 2>don't think, yeah, yeah, I didn't actually get.

685
00:39:08.719 --> 00:39:13.679
<v Speaker 1>We we weren't really acquainted with Royal premieres and and

686
00:39:13.960 --> 00:39:16.239
<v Speaker 1>and but we you know, they're all they're all over YouTube,

687
00:39:16.280 --> 00:39:21.400
<v Speaker 1>and so we've we've watched uh many of them as

688
00:39:21.480 --> 00:39:26.920
<v Speaker 1>we've been chronicling the James Bond films, and I mean,

689
00:39:27.000 --> 00:39:30.639
<v Speaker 1>it seems like it's a just uh, just a big

690
00:39:30.719 --> 00:39:34.360
<v Speaker 1>event for any time a big movie comes out. I mean,

691
00:39:34.519 --> 00:39:36.159
<v Speaker 1>how often do they hold the Royal premieres? Is it

692
00:39:36.239 --> 00:39:39.199
<v Speaker 1>for every movie that's made that releases in in the UK?

693
00:39:39.440 --> 00:39:41.440
<v Speaker 1>Or is it just kind of safe that ones.

694
00:39:43.559 --> 00:39:47.199
<v Speaker 2>They have a premiere for most most films a role

695
00:39:47.280 --> 00:39:50.960
<v Speaker 2>premiere most probably I want to to it depends how

696
00:39:51.039 --> 00:39:54.360
<v Speaker 2>big the film is and as I can get together along,

697
00:39:54.440 --> 00:39:58.239
<v Speaker 2>But I mean we get film is over time, it's

698
00:39:58.400 --> 00:40:03.079
<v Speaker 2>not the the role premiere. Maybe one or two of.

699
00:40:04.679 --> 00:40:07.559
<v Speaker 3>Tony being in the States, we hear and read about.

700
00:40:07.800 --> 00:40:09.719
<v Speaker 3>You know, how much of a point of national pride

701
00:40:09.760 --> 00:40:12.559
<v Speaker 3>Bond is in the UK? I wonder, as a lifelong

702
00:40:12.599 --> 00:40:15.719
<v Speaker 3>britt yourself, can you help us understand, like, is Bond

703
00:40:15.800 --> 00:40:18.199
<v Speaker 3>really as much of a cultural force as it seems

704
00:40:18.280 --> 00:40:21.159
<v Speaker 3>to be? Where where does Bond sit in British identity?

705
00:40:21.199 --> 00:40:22.320
<v Speaker 3>I guess is what I'm asking.

706
00:40:23.800 --> 00:40:26.519
<v Speaker 2>Well, I'll don't know about now, but when it came out,

707
00:40:27.960 --> 00:40:33.239
<v Speaker 2>the society has changed because there's lots more different to

708
00:40:33.440 --> 00:40:38.519
<v Speaker 2>cultures involved nowadays, I think on the whole, people still

709
00:40:39.400 --> 00:40:44.519
<v Speaker 2>consider it a British symbol. You know that because of

710
00:40:44.559 --> 00:40:48.320
<v Speaker 2>the publicity, even though the film's made by On which

711
00:40:48.400 --> 00:40:55.079
<v Speaker 2>is American. He's got the studio in pine Wood change

712
00:40:55.119 --> 00:40:59.920
<v Speaker 2>Bond stage. It's Yeah, I think I think if you

713
00:41:00.119 --> 00:41:01.840
<v Speaker 2>if you ask a lot of people, they say, oh, yeah,

714
00:41:02.679 --> 00:41:05.960
<v Speaker 2>it's definitely it's it's an English thing, but it's not obviously.

715
00:41:06.440 --> 00:41:10.360
<v Speaker 2>But yeah, I think I think there's still good feelings

716
00:41:10.360 --> 00:41:12.920
<v Speaker 2>about it because when the Bond film comes out, there's

717
00:41:12.920 --> 00:41:15.800
<v Speaker 2>always a big splash in the papers and is he

718
00:41:15.880 --> 00:41:16.440
<v Speaker 2>going to do this?

719
00:41:16.760 --> 00:41:17.280
<v Speaker 1>Is he going to do?

720
00:41:17.599 --> 00:41:19.800
<v Speaker 2>Have you got someone else? Do they love all that?

721
00:41:19.880 --> 00:41:22.280
<v Speaker 2>Because what they do they put these roomor down, Oh

722
00:41:23.039 --> 00:41:24.079
<v Speaker 2>is going to be the next Bond?

723
00:41:24.800 --> 00:41:25.239
<v Speaker 1>So then.

724
00:41:26.920 --> 00:41:28.920
<v Speaker 2>Science that's going to be the Bond. Well, I don't know.

725
00:41:28.960 --> 00:41:31.400
<v Speaker 2>I haven't been approached. So they're getting all this free

726
00:41:31.440 --> 00:41:38.480
<v Speaker 2>publisher team possibly rumors about so the name and the

727
00:41:39.039 --> 00:41:42.400
<v Speaker 2>name is kept in the public. Arema if you like?

728
00:41:43.000 --> 00:41:45.119
<v Speaker 2>You know, you don't. As soon as there's a Bond

729
00:41:45.159 --> 00:41:47.239
<v Speaker 2>film coming out of let's say they're going to make

730
00:41:47.239 --> 00:41:50.480
<v Speaker 2>another one soon, Oh, we're considered so and so for

731
00:41:50.599 --> 00:41:53.599
<v Speaker 2>the part, Oh, we haven't been a process. But what

732
00:41:53.719 --> 00:41:56.360
<v Speaker 2>about scientis make a big Bond? You get all this

733
00:41:56.519 --> 00:41:58.880
<v Speaker 2>conversation about he's going to be the Bond and it's

734
00:41:58.920 --> 00:42:03.079
<v Speaker 2>costing them nothing. They get know three divers, So it's

735
00:42:03.199 --> 00:42:03.840
<v Speaker 2>totally true.

736
00:42:03.960 --> 00:42:09.159
<v Speaker 1>It's totally true. You I imagine were you a Bond

737
00:42:09.239 --> 00:42:13.440
<v Speaker 1>film from the very beginning, like from what were you

738
00:42:13.440 --> 00:42:15.679
<v Speaker 1>would have been thirteen when or twelve when the first

739
00:42:15.719 --> 00:42:16.239
<v Speaker 1>one came out.

740
00:42:18.400 --> 00:42:21.599
<v Speaker 2>Yeah, yeah, I always speak to watch. I read the

741
00:42:22.079 --> 00:42:23.800
<v Speaker 2>actual fact, I was to read the I used to

742
00:42:23.880 --> 00:42:29.400
<v Speaker 2>read the books. Sometimes you get if you read the

743
00:42:29.440 --> 00:42:31.519
<v Speaker 2>book and then make the film from the book, you

744
00:42:31.639 --> 00:42:33.679
<v Speaker 2>get more information from your book than you did the film.

745
00:42:34.159 --> 00:42:35.760
<v Speaker 2>This is a cot the way around. It's just like

746
00:42:36.519 --> 00:42:38.880
<v Speaker 2>it's just like watching the film but reading it. So

747
00:42:39.360 --> 00:42:41.800
<v Speaker 2>I always made a point of reading if I can

748
00:42:43.239 --> 00:42:46.320
<v Speaker 2>the book, and then you get more I get more

749
00:42:46.440 --> 00:42:52.559
<v Speaker 2>idea of what is because sometimes you watch it, you know,

750
00:42:52.639 --> 00:42:55.679
<v Speaker 2>because you don't like when you're involved in stands. When

751
00:42:55.719 --> 00:42:58.199
<v Speaker 2>I look at the film ex action, I'm looking at

752
00:42:58.239 --> 00:43:00.599
<v Speaker 2>the action and I'm all being it's in the plot.

753
00:43:03.400 --> 00:43:07.280
<v Speaker 2>So then because I look at what one day, that's good.

754
00:43:07.960 --> 00:43:11.360
<v Speaker 2>So my concentration is not on the plot. It's just

755
00:43:11.639 --> 00:43:13.559
<v Speaker 2>how I do the actually, But then I'll watch it

756
00:43:13.599 --> 00:43:16.280
<v Speaker 2>again and I think, oh, we've got the plot now.

757
00:43:19.039 --> 00:43:20.920
<v Speaker 3>Tony, we got to put you on the spot, who's

758
00:43:20.920 --> 00:43:22.519
<v Speaker 3>your favorite Bond? Who did it best?

759
00:43:25.039 --> 00:43:29.960
<v Speaker 2>I would say I'd say Seng Yep, Yeah, I.

760
00:43:29.960 --> 00:43:31.639
<v Speaker 1>Mean it's hard. It's hard. It's hard to debate that.

761
00:43:31.880 --> 00:43:34.559
<v Speaker 1>I mean, I guess you could say whoever is like

762
00:43:35.000 --> 00:43:37.000
<v Speaker 1>whenever you watch it the first time, but it's hard

763
00:43:37.039 --> 00:43:39.000
<v Speaker 1>to debate after you watch Sean Connery in the role

764
00:43:39.519 --> 00:43:41.480
<v Speaker 1>to uh, to say anyone's better.

765
00:43:43.880 --> 00:43:46.679
<v Speaker 2>Roger Moore was good, but he took us a totally different.

766
00:43:47.199 --> 00:43:50.199
<v Speaker 1>Yeah, carry did you ever work with Roger Moore?

767
00:43:50.400 --> 00:43:57.599
<v Speaker 2>Obviously you didn't try. Now I don't think. Now I've

768
00:43:57.599 --> 00:43:59.239
<v Speaker 2>got I've heard a lot of good stories about it.

769
00:43:59.320 --> 00:44:03.599
<v Speaker 2>Now you really know, Yeah, he seems it's literally that

770
00:44:03.679 --> 00:44:07.920
<v Speaker 2>didn't route. And then then you had there was an

771
00:44:07.920 --> 00:44:11.320
<v Speaker 2>English actor Tractic Blacks who did it. But they don't

772
00:44:12.239 --> 00:44:15.320
<v Speaker 2>stick in your mind in my mind anyway, you know,

773
00:44:15.360 --> 00:44:20.039
<v Speaker 2>if he's say Bond automatically, Connor Pierce pos and I

774
00:44:20.320 --> 00:44:25.519
<v Speaker 2>with Peers posing before on the Jackie chan film with

775
00:44:25.679 --> 00:44:29.400
<v Speaker 2>that Cold follow, I think it was called that was

776
00:44:29.639 --> 00:44:32.320
<v Speaker 2>he was a rappy man, really nice guy.

777
00:44:33.199 --> 00:44:35.360
<v Speaker 1>Yeah, he seems like a two and I would I

778
00:44:35.400 --> 00:44:37.599
<v Speaker 1>would believe that, yeah.

779
00:44:38.480 --> 00:44:41.559
<v Speaker 2>Really nice man. Because we were on the set of moment.

780
00:44:41.800 --> 00:44:46.000
<v Speaker 2>Still he's good enough for him. Others amans people. You

781
00:44:46.079 --> 00:44:52.599
<v Speaker 2>had this pathetic knowledge only changed the chase Peters with

782
00:44:52.639 --> 00:44:55.360
<v Speaker 2>Anna bad it's still it's still. Yeah, this is how

783
00:44:55.440 --> 00:44:57.599
<v Speaker 2>well he said. You want to find that a fact?

784
00:44:57.920 --> 00:45:00.159
<v Speaker 2>I won't, don't even have to ask. We were really

785
00:45:00.360 --> 00:45:03.360
<v Speaker 2>really lovely man. But if you're talking about buns and

786
00:45:04.559 --> 00:45:05.360
<v Speaker 2>comply comes to.

787
00:45:05.440 --> 00:45:10.199
<v Speaker 1>One, oh for sure I would agree. So I read

788
00:45:10.239 --> 00:45:13.599
<v Speaker 1>to your your first movie as a stunt performer. Was

789
00:45:13.639 --> 00:45:16.280
<v Speaker 1>it is it true that it was Tim Burton's Batman?

790
00:45:19.280 --> 00:45:19.480
<v Speaker 2>Yes?

791
00:45:19.679 --> 00:45:20.000
<v Speaker 1>It was?

792
00:45:20.159 --> 00:45:22.280
<v Speaker 2>Yes? I do you think that's wrong? I think I

793
00:45:22.360 --> 00:45:25.360
<v Speaker 2>did a couple of small ones before that. Maybe then

794
00:45:25.360 --> 00:45:27.239
<v Speaker 2>I'm blee, But yes.

795
00:45:28.880 --> 00:45:31.760
<v Speaker 1>What what were you? What was? What were you? Who

796
00:45:31.840 --> 00:45:35.480
<v Speaker 1>you stunt? H? Who are you doubling? In Batman?

797
00:45:35.800 --> 00:45:40.280
<v Speaker 2>I was just almost been dubbling almost equal you to

798
00:45:40.679 --> 00:45:44.880
<v Speaker 2>st go there on a fool over there, that sort

799
00:45:44.880 --> 00:45:45.559
<v Speaker 2>of job.

800
00:45:47.719 --> 00:45:49.719
<v Speaker 3>As we've talked about wrestlers that have done stunt work,

801
00:45:49.800 --> 00:45:51.920
<v Speaker 3>one one giant that comes up who seems to be

802
00:45:52.480 --> 00:45:55.360
<v Speaker 3>have been involved in like seventy films, is is Judo

803
00:45:55.440 --> 00:45:56.920
<v Speaker 3>Gan LaBelle. Did you know Jeane at all?

804
00:45:58.199 --> 00:46:01.320
<v Speaker 2>Well? I don't know if I know Robin and he

805
00:46:01.559 --> 00:46:04.960
<v Speaker 2>was a stratied wrestler. You know he's stead he's got

806
00:46:05.000 --> 00:46:09.960
<v Speaker 2>a school. I think he trained Wander Rols. She trained

807
00:46:09.960 --> 00:46:15.159
<v Speaker 2>for him. There was another car with a Middle Eastern name,

808
00:46:15.639 --> 00:46:19.360
<v Speaker 2>was like a first Yeah, Carl Carl Parisian. You probably think,

809
00:46:20.239 --> 00:46:23.400
<v Speaker 2>yeah cars. There's another one. I can't think of his name.

810
00:46:23.960 --> 00:46:27.519
<v Speaker 2>Ye know, he's in actual fact, Carl Gotch. He knew

811
00:46:27.599 --> 00:46:34.679
<v Speaker 2>Carl Gotch, Judo junior car and h I think he

812
00:46:34.840 --> 00:46:38.000
<v Speaker 2>mentioned Carl got a few times because he was he

813
00:46:38.119 --> 00:46:41.400
<v Speaker 2>was something else that cold, I'll tell you as a wrestler.

814
00:46:42.360 --> 00:46:46.559
<v Speaker 2>But yeah, she don't be a girl. Yes, I've definitely

815
00:46:47.880 --> 00:46:51.320
<v Speaker 2>been in on the on the YouTube and about him.

816
00:46:51.360 --> 00:46:55.079
<v Speaker 2>So he was a genuine, genuinely like.

817
00:46:55.840 --> 00:46:58.880
<v Speaker 3>Last last question from me to you, Tony, do you

818
00:46:58.960 --> 00:47:01.159
<v Speaker 3>get the chance to watch pro wrestling as it is

819
00:47:01.239 --> 00:47:03.800
<v Speaker 3>today and what do you think about the way it

820
00:47:03.880 --> 00:47:04.960
<v Speaker 3>is now compared to your day?

821
00:47:06.840 --> 00:47:09.239
<v Speaker 2>Well, I've watched it. The other night I came across it.

822
00:47:09.280 --> 00:47:11.840
<v Speaker 2>I was down for I can't watch this plug.

823
00:47:14.760 --> 00:47:16.199
<v Speaker 3>It used to be better, right Tony.

824
00:47:17.519 --> 00:47:19.599
<v Speaker 2>Well, it's my opinion, but that's only me. I mean

825
00:47:19.880 --> 00:47:22.639
<v Speaker 2>if you, if you if you just started watching the

826
00:47:22.719 --> 00:47:26.079
<v Speaker 2>last five years, you would say this is great because

827
00:47:26.119 --> 00:47:28.239
<v Speaker 2>you haven't got anything to compare it with. But when

828
00:47:28.280 --> 00:47:32.159
<v Speaker 2>you go back, h it's totally different. Whether that's star

829
00:47:32.840 --> 00:47:36.079
<v Speaker 2>then would suit now that fish is going cycle, don't they?

830
00:47:36.400 --> 00:47:40.599
<v Speaker 2>But because the people have been educated to watch the

831
00:47:40.679 --> 00:47:43.199
<v Speaker 2>restling as it is now, there flying around and all

832
00:47:43.239 --> 00:47:45.559
<v Speaker 2>the gimmicks and all the dead boss and all the

833
00:47:45.599 --> 00:47:49.119
<v Speaker 2>rest of the numbers, that's what they said. That's to them.

834
00:47:49.199 --> 00:47:52.400
<v Speaker 2>That is so you seldom go back thirty years. I'd

835
00:47:52.400 --> 00:47:57.519
<v Speaker 2>say it's think this is nothing enough resting to do.

836
00:47:58.159 --> 00:48:05.800
<v Speaker 2>I can't watch it. I just now, I'll whats you? Yeah,

837
00:48:07.000 --> 00:48:12.960
<v Speaker 2>turn it off. There's no story used to get a

838
00:48:13.000 --> 00:48:15.320
<v Speaker 2>good guy in the bag. But you take the story

839
00:48:15.440 --> 00:48:19.440
<v Speaker 2>right on the baddie. I take seven percent on the bad.

840
00:48:20.960 --> 00:48:24.159
<v Speaker 2>He needs to come back the crowd. Then go back

841
00:48:25.559 --> 00:48:29.039
<v Speaker 2>telling the story. You get the crowded dogs in the story.

842
00:48:30.119 --> 00:48:32.760
<v Speaker 2>To me, there doesn't seem to be they're not telling

843
00:48:32.840 --> 00:48:37.280
<v Speaker 2>a story, they're just it's just an acabatic to me anyway.

844
00:48:37.360 --> 00:48:40.079
<v Speaker 2>That's you know, they are planting air fling. It's great,

845
00:48:40.599 --> 00:48:43.440
<v Speaker 2>doesn't be wrong. What they do is fantastic, But in

846
00:48:45.119 --> 00:48:47.519
<v Speaker 2>in showing or telling the story, he doesn't tell a story.

847
00:48:49.400 --> 00:48:52.960
<v Speaker 2>You must have a load of acrobats flying around, juggers

848
00:48:53.039 --> 00:48:57.079
<v Speaker 2>and whatever. It's not for me, I call it.

849
00:48:57.239 --> 00:49:02.480
<v Speaker 1>I call it flippy floppy wrestling. Yeah, I'm with you

850
00:49:02.559 --> 00:49:04.239
<v Speaker 1>on that. I mean, I prefer it to be a

851
00:49:04.280 --> 00:49:07.079
<v Speaker 1>little more of a straight fight and kind of you know,

852
00:49:07.159 --> 00:49:10.639
<v Speaker 1>athletic and you know, using holds and moves and stuff.

853
00:49:10.719 --> 00:49:16.199
<v Speaker 1>But we always argue on our show that you need

854
00:49:16.280 --> 00:49:19.320
<v Speaker 1>to feel like somebody's trying to win, not trying to

855
00:49:19.360 --> 00:49:20.159
<v Speaker 1>put on a good show.

856
00:49:20.960 --> 00:49:24.360
<v Speaker 2>Yeah. Well that's that's what I'm getting through about the story.

857
00:49:25.119 --> 00:49:27.920
<v Speaker 2>You've got the bad guy, he's passing a good guy

858
00:49:28.039 --> 00:49:33.239
<v Speaker 2>up all with what he's doing with and then then

859
00:49:33.320 --> 00:49:36.079
<v Speaker 2>then they make a comeback. Then the crack are mad,

860
00:49:36.679 --> 00:49:39.079
<v Speaker 2>and then he gets a full or pin and then

861
00:49:39.159 --> 00:49:42.239
<v Speaker 2>the bad guy pubjects to it, and then he's stumping

862
00:49:42.280 --> 00:49:45.239
<v Speaker 2>around a room of people are bullying and shaking ef.

863
00:49:46.199 --> 00:49:49.840
<v Speaker 2>People get involved in it, you know that they become part,

864
00:49:50.719 --> 00:49:54.519
<v Speaker 2>everything becomes together. They will be coomped, part of arrested

865
00:49:55.440 --> 00:49:57.519
<v Speaker 2>because they want that man to win. They want to

866
00:49:57.519 --> 00:49:59.559
<v Speaker 2>see him get beat, don't want the other guy to win.

867
00:50:00.599 --> 00:50:03.280
<v Speaker 2>And the shoe stop bull from And I got a

868
00:50:03.360 --> 00:50:07.599
<v Speaker 2>White Stork. He sounds. So he comes to and I

869
00:50:07.639 --> 00:50:10.239
<v Speaker 2>get and the two about it is of it's real,

870
00:50:10.639 --> 00:50:11.440
<v Speaker 2>which is what you're.

871
00:50:11.280 --> 00:50:13.480
<v Speaker 1>Doing, right, of course, that's that's kind of the whole.

872
00:50:13.559 --> 00:50:15.199
<v Speaker 1>The whole idea is you want it to seem like

873
00:50:15.800 --> 00:50:16.400
<v Speaker 1>it's a real fight.

874
00:50:16.519 --> 00:50:19.599
<v Speaker 2>It's people people who have a good noight out pass.

875
00:50:19.920 --> 00:50:22.039
<v Speaker 2>It's gotten much risk in for a lot of these

876
00:50:22.079 --> 00:50:25.960
<v Speaker 2>people still get involved because once everyone starts burning and starting,

877
00:50:26.719 --> 00:50:30.920
<v Speaker 2>they join in. So now they're becoming involved when they

878
00:50:30.920 --> 00:50:35.400
<v Speaker 2>don't think they would be. So yeah, well that small

879
00:50:35.440 --> 00:50:39.039
<v Speaker 2>deal of any Well, then everyone's different.

880
00:50:40.320 --> 00:50:43.079
<v Speaker 1>I wanted to ask you, uh also, you know you

881
00:50:43.320 --> 00:50:46.119
<v Speaker 1>obviously we said you've been involved with the Bond franchise.

882
00:50:46.159 --> 00:50:53.280
<v Speaker 1>You've been involved with numerous crazy big movie franchises. Uh,

883
00:50:53.800 --> 00:50:58.079
<v Speaker 1>you're according to IMDb, you've been in is it three

884
00:50:59.000 --> 00:51:06.639
<v Speaker 1>three Marvel movie, Captain America, The Dark World?

885
00:51:09.000 --> 00:51:15.159
<v Speaker 2>Yeah? What, Yeah, Captain America was it was, Yeah, that's

886
00:51:15.199 --> 00:51:17.280
<v Speaker 2>a while. Pirates of the Caribbean.

887
00:51:17.960 --> 00:51:20.360
<v Speaker 1>Parts of the Caribbean too, amazing.

888
00:51:21.760 --> 00:51:25.440
<v Speaker 2>Yeah, the one where were filmed in Greenwich is a

889
00:51:25.519 --> 00:51:28.000
<v Speaker 2>naval college there and it was filmed in film there.

890
00:51:29.000 --> 00:51:33.079
<v Speaker 2>Johnny really nice guy and apparently there was a school

891
00:51:34.000 --> 00:51:35.679
<v Speaker 2>and they wrote to the camp Hill.

892
00:51:36.280 --> 00:51:36.599
<v Speaker 1>He went.

893
00:51:36.760 --> 00:51:40.760
<v Speaker 2>He went along to the school, justice the bar the kids.

894
00:51:45.360 --> 00:51:47.480
<v Speaker 2>May you know, I mean he didn't just he made

895
00:51:47.559 --> 00:51:49.880
<v Speaker 2>sure he had also get all the pirate stuff when

896
00:51:49.920 --> 00:51:51.440
<v Speaker 2>he went to the school, and I was going mad

897
00:51:51.519 --> 00:51:51.840
<v Speaker 2>for him.

898
00:51:52.280 --> 00:51:52.719
<v Speaker 1>He made that.

899
00:51:53.039 --> 00:51:55.559
<v Speaker 2>You know it's good really but yeah it was a

900
00:51:55.599 --> 00:51:59.639
<v Speaker 2>good film. So many big films though, you're just but

901
00:51:59.840 --> 00:52:03.639
<v Speaker 2>my point of view, I'm just like I'm just another number.

902
00:52:03.679 --> 00:52:07.480
<v Speaker 2>They're running around them whatever it is. Because I like

903
00:52:07.559 --> 00:52:10.760
<v Speaker 2>to work on small productions where I've got to be

904
00:52:10.800 --> 00:52:12.599
<v Speaker 2>able to say my character what it's going to do?

905
00:52:13.440 --> 00:52:15.159
<v Speaker 2>The dites, what do you think? They say? Well, what

906
00:52:15.199 --> 00:52:18.639
<v Speaker 2>I can do this is that you become more involved.

907
00:52:18.760 --> 00:52:22.079
<v Speaker 2>Is this your part of the actual job, not just

908
00:52:22.159 --> 00:52:25.000
<v Speaker 2>someone who's run over it and run over it if

909
00:52:25.119 --> 00:52:29.079
<v Speaker 2>it's nothing wrong with it. But from a point of view,

910
00:52:29.119 --> 00:52:32.000
<v Speaker 2>have been involved. I like to be involved because some

911
00:52:32.320 --> 00:52:37.039
<v Speaker 2>coordinating I get involved. Sometimes they ask you and you

912
00:52:37.119 --> 00:52:40.079
<v Speaker 2>tell them and they don't want to know. They think something.

913
00:52:41.480 --> 00:52:44.599
<v Speaker 2>I well, oh yeah, I'll stick. Okay, I'm not going

914
00:52:44.679 --> 00:52:47.480
<v Speaker 2>to argue do it your life, but I can't offer

915
00:52:47.519 --> 00:52:51.400
<v Speaker 2>them my advice. That's why I'm now or to offer

916
00:52:51.480 --> 00:52:53.599
<v Speaker 2>them advice and then do the job. They don't want

917
00:52:53.599 --> 00:52:57.119
<v Speaker 2>to take my advice, then it is what it is.

918
00:52:57.199 --> 00:52:59.039
<v Speaker 2>It doesn't turn out good. It's not my fault.

919
00:53:00.199 --> 00:53:05.400
<v Speaker 1>Therefore, do you do you have a favorite uh production,

920
00:53:05.599 --> 00:53:08.519
<v Speaker 1>the favorite movie, TV series that you u that you

921
00:53:08.639 --> 00:53:08.960
<v Speaker 1>worked on.

922
00:53:11.440 --> 00:53:16.239
<v Speaker 2>I'm trying to think now, I'm just think of one

923
00:53:16.280 --> 00:53:22.480
<v Speaker 2>of the I think I enjoyed them all. Done more

924
00:53:22.519 --> 00:53:26.039
<v Speaker 2>than that, but I've never not I've never not to do.

925
00:53:26.079 --> 00:53:30.239
<v Speaker 2>Are I wish I've never done? Sometimes you get someone

926
00:53:30.320 --> 00:53:33.159
<v Speaker 2>in like the directors of an idiot, but not often,

927
00:53:35.920 --> 00:53:38.159
<v Speaker 2>well you know, they say, can't we do that? So

928
00:53:38.239 --> 00:53:40.320
<v Speaker 2>I don't want to do that? Thing said, oh there

929
00:53:40.440 --> 00:53:43.079
<v Speaker 2>was one, I'll give it a commercial, and I to

930
00:53:43.920 --> 00:53:46.199
<v Speaker 2>go on there. I had to go on a bit

931
00:53:46.239 --> 00:53:50.199
<v Speaker 2>of a control towards this blinder. Can you get me?

932
00:53:50.599 --> 00:53:52.840
<v Speaker 2>I'm not going to get the d I can so

933
00:53:53.000 --> 00:53:58.199
<v Speaker 2>long or I can only go the I can only

934
00:53:58.280 --> 00:54:00.639
<v Speaker 2>go ten took back, and today I can't. I said,

935
00:54:01.000 --> 00:54:02.599
<v Speaker 2>I can only go at the end. Well, I can't

936
00:54:02.639 --> 00:54:09.320
<v Speaker 2>down further. He couldn't see the logical it. We'll wasting

937
00:54:09.360 --> 00:54:13.840
<v Speaker 2>moutonn here. But in all the jobs, I've enjoyed them

938
00:54:13.840 --> 00:54:23.039
<v Speaker 2>all that job in the in Morocco, and anyway, it

939
00:54:23.239 --> 00:54:27.599
<v Speaker 2>was it was a prank show Middle Eastern. Oh, it

940
00:54:27.760 --> 00:54:33.159
<v Speaker 2>was mad that Samary. It's the biggest showing in the East.

941
00:54:33.800 --> 00:54:39.960
<v Speaker 2>And they were in his hotel and uh, they get

942
00:54:40.039 --> 00:54:44.159
<v Speaker 2>they got the brist to this room, kind of falls

943
00:54:44.239 --> 00:54:47.840
<v Speaker 2>up the thirty four thirty six and then he comes

944
00:54:47.920 --> 00:54:50.920
<v Speaker 2>running in just as there's a fire. You've got kind

945
00:54:51.000 --> 00:54:53.320
<v Speaker 2>of diying up the stairs and smoke. They get him

946
00:54:53.320 --> 00:54:56.039
<v Speaker 2>on the roof and then the helicopter comes. He wears

947
00:54:56.079 --> 00:54:58.719
<v Speaker 2>the lay coop to us and it's a big panic

948
00:54:59.199 --> 00:55:03.880
<v Speaker 2>and he takes his with me. I want to kick

949
00:55:03.960 --> 00:55:08.119
<v Speaker 2>it and bade him up. Oh it's bad, it's absolutely

950
00:55:08.159 --> 00:55:11.679
<v Speaker 2>It wasn't bad because there was a there was another

951
00:55:11.880 --> 00:55:16.880
<v Speaker 2>tower block opposite them, between towers. Though they don't say

952
00:55:16.880 --> 00:55:19.800
<v Speaker 2>I'm too anyway, Originally they were going to put a

953
00:55:19.880 --> 00:55:22.559
<v Speaker 2>zipline across, put one of the zip on to get

954
00:55:22.599 --> 00:55:25.199
<v Speaker 2>them to the other hotel and then make the zipline

955
00:55:25.239 --> 00:55:29.719
<v Speaker 2>snaps of the angling. Can't do that. Yeah, No, I

956
00:55:29.760 --> 00:55:33.639
<v Speaker 2>mean they're mad because the year before they said, oh

957
00:55:33.679 --> 00:55:36.280
<v Speaker 2>look he'd invite due to him the films being in

958
00:55:36.360 --> 00:55:38.800
<v Speaker 2>the desert. So they go in the car and the

959
00:55:38.960 --> 00:55:42.719
<v Speaker 2>two cars put up. Guys come up with the classics Master.

960
00:55:43.119 --> 00:55:44.639
<v Speaker 2>They've got one of the floor. They're going to shoot

961
00:55:44.719 --> 00:55:47.119
<v Speaker 2>them and it comes it's me. It's a plank.

962
00:55:48.599 --> 00:55:57.360
<v Speaker 1>I said, oh my god, it was.

963
00:55:57.559 --> 00:56:01.920
<v Speaker 2>It was a bad three weeks. But because it literally

964
00:56:02.079 --> 00:56:04.360
<v Speaker 2>they've got math concept for times we would picking up

965
00:56:04.360 --> 00:56:09.480
<v Speaker 2>eleven show they've just got well, we never got anything short.

966
00:56:09.679 --> 00:56:11.760
<v Speaker 2>So I've always sad the way for it was a

967
00:56:11.840 --> 00:56:14.480
<v Speaker 2>great job because we looked at in the hotel. We're

968
00:56:14.519 --> 00:56:17.039
<v Speaker 2>working in the outel on the roof, so we didn't

969
00:56:17.039 --> 00:56:20.840
<v Speaker 2>have to go traveling. It's a really good job. That's

970
00:56:20.880 --> 00:56:26.320
<v Speaker 2>one of my favorite jobs for being out there weird

971
00:56:27.239 --> 00:56:28.280
<v Speaker 2>but enjoyed.

972
00:56:28.800 --> 00:56:35.320
<v Speaker 1>Great. Yeah. My last question for you, sir, Yes, can

973
00:56:35.480 --> 00:56:40.280
<v Speaker 1>we will we ever see Tony Van Silva back of

974
00:56:40.320 --> 00:56:40.960
<v Speaker 1>the wrestling ring.

975
00:56:43.840 --> 00:56:49.400
<v Speaker 2>It's not as a pro now, no, not. I don't

976
00:56:49.519 --> 00:56:52.320
<v Speaker 2>want to be the referee. I was, you know, I

977
00:56:52.360 --> 00:56:55.639
<v Speaker 2>did the referee job one night and I think it's

978
00:56:55.639 --> 00:56:59.239
<v Speaker 2>about six sums and I was sick. You don't run

979
00:56:59.320 --> 00:57:04.880
<v Speaker 2>back in a sixth early and I was working. It's

980
00:57:04.920 --> 00:57:09.159
<v Speaker 2>a worth doing the referee. So as I don't even

981
00:57:09.199 --> 00:57:12.440
<v Speaker 2>want to be a referee, now now there's no I

982
00:57:12.599 --> 00:57:16.199
<v Speaker 2>just couldn't do what they do now classic injuries and

983
00:57:17.320 --> 00:57:19.199
<v Speaker 2>you know I've still go down the jill and think

984
00:57:19.239 --> 00:57:23.960
<v Speaker 2>back work and I'll get back into the oldum not okay,

985
00:57:24.079 --> 00:57:25.840
<v Speaker 2>do a little bit of that wound at a bit better,

986
00:57:26.360 --> 00:57:30.039
<v Speaker 2>but actual progress in no way. You couldn't find me enough.

987
00:57:30.840 --> 00:57:33.119
<v Speaker 1>I just love it.

988
00:57:33.840 --> 00:57:38.320
<v Speaker 2>I just I could do it. I've got no desire,

989
00:57:38.440 --> 00:57:38.800
<v Speaker 2>let's put that.

990
00:57:39.320 --> 00:57:42.239
<v Speaker 1>Yeah, and I can understand that you're not going to

991
00:57:42.320 --> 00:57:44.960
<v Speaker 1>do any flipping flopping around in the ring. No desire

992
00:57:45.000 --> 00:57:45.280
<v Speaker 1>to do that.

993
00:57:48.320 --> 00:57:53.760
<v Speaker 2>Yeah, well yeah I could. I'd have to do it.

994
00:57:54.079 --> 00:57:55.920
<v Speaker 2>I'd have to make it look like I'd have to

995
00:57:55.960 --> 00:57:58.360
<v Speaker 2>give me best to make it look like well to

996
00:57:58.440 --> 00:58:01.599
<v Speaker 2>do that nonsenseff, I can't put a clown out.

997
00:58:06.440 --> 00:58:11.239
<v Speaker 1>Amazing, well, Tony, thank you so much for letting us

998
00:58:11.280 --> 00:58:15.719
<v Speaker 1>talk with you and sharing about your work experience. Thank

999
00:58:15.760 --> 00:58:19.559
<v Speaker 1>you as a wrestler, as some of your background and

1000
00:58:19.800 --> 00:58:24.159
<v Speaker 1>as a stunt performer. This has been really uh informative

1001
00:58:24.360 --> 00:58:27.920
<v Speaker 1>and exciting and I can't thank you enough.

1002
00:58:30.280 --> 00:58:33.639
<v Speaker 2>Oh, thank you very much for inviting on there. It's

1003
00:58:33.719 --> 00:58:36.840
<v Speaker 2>very kindly And if you need any more information, just

1004
00:58:37.000 --> 00:58:38.800
<v Speaker 2>let us know and I'll see what I can dig up.

1005
00:58:38.800 --> 00:58:40.559
<v Speaker 2>If I can dig it up, I will, so I

1006
00:58:40.639 --> 00:58:42.880
<v Speaker 2>think anything sort of we got to ask me. All

1007
00:58:42.960 --> 00:58:47.719
<v Speaker 2>you want people more explanation of you know, just email me.

1008
00:58:48.159 --> 00:58:48.800
<v Speaker 1>I appreciate that.

1009
00:58:48.880 --> 00:58:51.280
<v Speaker 2>Sometimes it will be starting with time, you know what

1010
00:58:51.360 --> 00:58:53.800
<v Speaker 2>I mean, it's been quite a few weeks now. But

1011
00:58:55.079 --> 00:58:59.000
<v Speaker 2>as I say, I don't I thought today then at

1012
00:58:59.079 --> 00:59:03.639
<v Speaker 2>least you know something or something there. And because you

1013
00:59:03.719 --> 00:59:06.599
<v Speaker 2>sent me all those questions, which is good gaming idea,

1014
00:59:06.679 --> 00:59:09.559
<v Speaker 2>but of just doing this off the cup, I don't

1015
00:59:09.559 --> 00:59:12.719
<v Speaker 2>know it's some scripted you know. I think I'll go

1016
00:59:12.840 --> 00:59:15.320
<v Speaker 2>answer that rather just you ask me the question and

1017
00:59:15.840 --> 00:59:18.880
<v Speaker 2>I'll just answer it because when it's comes out as

1018
00:59:18.880 --> 00:59:22.519
<v Speaker 2>it is, not as it might someone else might want

1019
00:59:22.559 --> 00:59:25.199
<v Speaker 2>it to do. Anyway, I'll thank you very much for

1020
00:59:25.880 --> 00:59:27.800
<v Speaker 2>p interviewing me. It's been very kindly. Thank you very

1021
00:59:27.840 --> 00:59:28.519
<v Speaker 2>much for talk.

1022
00:59:28.480 --> 00:59:30.679
<v Speaker 1>Hey, thank you again, and we'll be in touch soon

1023
00:59:30.760 --> 00:59:31.079
<v Speaker 1>for sure.

1024
00:59:31.679 --> 00:59:35.280
<v Speaker 2>Now you will, yeah, lovely, Thank you very much, Take

1025
00:59:35.320 --> 00:59:36.280
<v Speaker 2>you ja, take care.

1026
00:59:38.079 --> 00:59:41.719
<v Speaker 1>PRECEEDINGILS is a production of the Labs Entertainment Group. Its

1027
00:59:41.800 --> 00:59:44.039
<v Speaker 1>content is intended for private use of me