Speaker 1: The Lapsed Fan presents Under the Cinemat. Yeah, I love
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Speaker 1: followed Under the Cinemats Carnei's are forever Journey will recall
Speaker 1: that during the episode of Skyfall, we talked about a
Speaker 1: wrestler named Tony Van Silva and that there wasn't a
Speaker 1: lot of information about him, and I had made contact
Speaker 1: with mister Van Silva and he was willing to do
Speaker 1: an interview with Jack and myself. However, we were not
Speaker 1: able to conduct the interview prior to the episode about Skyfall.
Speaker 1: But I am pleased this punch and excited to say
Speaker 1: that we have him. Now, we have former pro wrestler
Speaker 1: stuntman and just from what I've gathered, just an extraordinary,
Speaker 1: an extraordinary talent. Tony Van Silva, How you doing man?
Speaker 2: Yeah? Fine, thank you. Yeah, it's just a bit of
Speaker 2: a bit of a problem with Mini longs for nothing
Speaker 2: too serious, nothing for work out today. But it's our
Speaker 2: call for yet to excuse me, that's why not strue.
Speaker 1: No problem, no problem at all. Yeah, I know I
Speaker 1: appreciate you. I know you told me you had some
Speaker 1: some hell things going on, So I can't even begin
Speaker 1: to tell you how much I appreciate you. You've given
Speaker 1: us the time today.
Speaker 2: No, No, that's fine.
Speaker 1: So we you know, we're primarily a pro wrestling podcast,
Speaker 1: and so I wanted to start out with that because
Speaker 1: it's very it's I found. I read that you started
Speaker 1: your pro wrestling career around the age of seventeen through
Speaker 1: the Brighton Boys Club. Is that correct?
Speaker 2: Yeah, that's right. What happened was, I was working in
Speaker 2: this car wash, running for a job to come up,
Speaker 2: and I said to the guy listener, I'm trying to
Speaker 2: find somewhere to wrestle. The world. Is a wrestled that
Speaker 2: comes in called very luck for the dead now right, anyway,
Speaker 2: I'll make him. And eventually we wound up at the
Speaker 2: Brighton Boys Club. We used to train up where the
Speaker 2: boxers used to train in their ring. They weren't there
Speaker 2: on a Monday, Wednesday, and Friday, and by arrest called
Speaker 2: Asararti was world famous in the day, and that was
Speaker 2: nineteen sixty seven. So on December the fourteenth, nineteen sixty seven,
Speaker 2: which was my seventeenth birthday, I had my first gout.
Speaker 2: So that was the sort of.
Speaker 3: Stuff that's that's great. Tony so Bert Aserati definitely a
Speaker 3: name that yeah, you serious, you know, wrestling historian fans
Speaker 3: will remember. So help us understand what wrestling meant in
Speaker 3: terms of what you got into. Was it she was
Speaker 3: it catch or was it a work?
Speaker 1: What were you training to do?
Speaker 2: Well, the actual training was progressing, you know, the progresss
Speaker 2: do not the w W, f W or what they
Speaker 2: call it. But it was based it was based in
Speaker 2: those days in this country. It was based on catch wrestling. Well,
Speaker 2: most of the moves were genuinely moves, but they weren't
Speaker 2: done properly, if you know what I mean, put them
Speaker 2: on and try and bread details answer that. But they
Speaker 2: were based on some on problem peros on catch wrestling moves.
Speaker 2: And then because you'd get in there and you say, right,
Speaker 2: you get someone in the headlock, you might spend two
Speaker 2: rounds just doing a headlock. If you try to get
Speaker 2: out and you put them back in and the crowd
Speaker 2: of starts stamping f fee and then you change the
Speaker 2: ten bole that you're letting that go. But I don't
Speaker 2: think it went down to win in America because I
Speaker 2: liked that no no offense. I like to have lots
Speaker 2: of action going here, there and everywhere. And you've got
Speaker 2: more acrobatic coming into the business. And it's totally changed
Speaker 2: from h in the sixties to now. And that's because
Speaker 2: that's what people want.
Speaker 1: Yeah, the I want to ask you too, So what
Speaker 1: I'm what I what was kind of the reason I
Speaker 1: reached out to you is because I was trying to
Speaker 1: look you up and see if I could find any
Speaker 1: any any information on you for just for our research.
Speaker 1: And I couldn't find anything, like I I'm fascinated by
Speaker 1: by your entire career because I couldn't. I couldn't find anything.
Speaker 2: Well. The thing the reason being was this, my legal
Speaker 2: name was very hard opening out. So my mother was
Speaker 2: Polish and my name was he ever rng. Okay, so
Speaker 2: someone called me, someone say so I'll start with Tony Jeromsky.
Speaker 2: And we weren't. We were sort of independent. We trained
Speaker 2: at the Boys Club. We put a show on there
Speaker 2: every month, apart from January and then someone say, hell,
Speaker 2: I know someone's got a got apartment of garden with
Speaker 2: a show there. Then we did a gap with Social
Speaker 2: Club and we did shows all over, but we weren't
Speaker 2: part of a big organization, so you'd be are pressed
Speaker 2: to find my name anywhere, really Juronsky A R O
Speaker 2: N s Ki because I made the name up, but
Speaker 2: we weren't sort of allied to any big organizations.
Speaker 1: Oh I love that. That's fantastic. Oh my god, that's amazing. Well,
Speaker 1: that's great. I mean that that that helps with that
Speaker 1: one that with that question. How long did you go?
Speaker 1: How long? How long did your did your wrestling career go?
Speaker 2: Well? I nineteen sixty seven. In January seventy three, I
Speaker 2: moved from Brighton, where I was living, to London and
Speaker 2: I tried to get on with it was a big
Speaker 2: organization called Downmark. They used to be the big, big
Speaker 2: promoters in the South, and they didn't they weren't interested.
Speaker 2: So all I did was found a proper wrestling club,
Speaker 2: Olympic Freestyle Wrestling Club, and then I went I did
Speaker 2: Olympic freestyle wrestling from then on, so I didn't do
Speaker 2: any more pro I think I did one bout. I
Speaker 2: helped someone out and that was it, but that was
Speaker 2: under the other name. So I was doing the Olympic
Speaker 2: freestyle wrestling from seventy four. I think the last competition
Speaker 2: was nineteen eighty eight, and then I just used to
Speaker 2: go along as a cat, you know, just just to
Speaker 2: trying to.
Speaker 1: Keep it amazing. So funny enough. I mean usually these
Speaker 1: days you hear more about amateur and Olympic style wrestlers
Speaker 1: going turning pro after after their amateur record is and
Speaker 1: you did the opposite and that's amazing.
Speaker 2: Uh. I did it the other way around because the
Speaker 2: reason being in Brighton there were no Olympic wrestling or
Speaker 2: amateur wrestling clubs there. Okay, so the only place you know,
Speaker 2: like London, Burningham, Manchester, those big cities they would have
Speaker 2: proper wrestling clubs, but other small places in those days didn't.
Speaker 2: I mean it's since the UFC and the popularity of
Speaker 2: catch wrestling there are more places to train. How you've
Speaker 2: got jiu jitsu. There's about four or five jus of
Speaker 2: schools down there, and what they do is that incorporate
Speaker 2: the wrestling as well, so they'll have a wrestling goat
Speaker 2: come along because one helps the other. It to and
Speaker 2: resting and combine it well. Catch wrestling is similar because
Speaker 2: it's all submissions and locks. They don't do strangleholds. Good
Speaker 2: helps the other. So if you're if you're in MMA
Speaker 2: and you've been arrested liking interim, no mate, it plays
Speaker 2: you to do if you can try or against submission
Speaker 2: to go with these some other side of the wrestling.
Speaker 3: Tony, did you do any shooting in that time period
Speaker 3: or is all your wrestling work matches.
Speaker 1: For the public?
Speaker 2: Was the kind of come to you, Oh.
Speaker 3: Sorry, did you do any shooting in that time period
Speaker 3: or was it all work matches?
Speaker 2: Well, the world matches. And then then when I got
Speaker 2: into the Olympic freestyle, it was real. You know, it's
Speaker 2: shot for the move, but there was no in Olympic wrestling.
Speaker 2: There are no submissions, no move against the joint, no chokes,
Speaker 2: so it's it's either pin or with one points. Sure,
Speaker 2: so it's totally different to puch first with. But obviously
Speaker 2: if you've done wrestling and you do an Olympic and
Speaker 2: then you went into cage, it wouldn't be to transition
Speaker 2: from one to the other.
Speaker 3: I guess I meant more. In your pro days, did
Speaker 3: you ever have a shooting match before the public or
Speaker 3: if you were in front of a crowd, it was
Speaker 3: always a work.
Speaker 2: Oh well, now we was in front of the crowd.
Speaker 2: We didn't shoot, you know, we didn't we did. We
Speaker 2: did it for well, we did it. It's working. We
Speaker 2: weren't sort of trying to kill each other.
Speaker 3: Yeah, we we just hear in the you know, in
Speaker 3: the ancient days. Let's say, I don't literally mean ancient,
Speaker 3: but I mean, you know, turn of the century. Every
Speaker 3: now and then, even though pro wrestlers were accustomed to
Speaker 3: working before the public to you know, maximize the drama,
Speaker 3: every now and then it became necessary perhaps to have
Speaker 3: two guys go in there and shoot to see who
Speaker 3: was superior.
Speaker 2: That's right, yeah, yeah, that's because they get people challenging
Speaker 2: amount of the crowd and then they had to put
Speaker 2: them in their place. For me, from when I was
Speaker 2: in it, there was no shooting. There was no shooting
Speaker 2: very good.
Speaker 3: So when you transition to the Olympic style, what was
Speaker 3: your mentality about Were you thinking of it as a
Speaker 3: career path or was this now just a way to
Speaker 3: stay in shape?
Speaker 2: No, because every since I was a child, I've been
Speaker 2: interested in rest and I just used to love the training.
Speaker 2: To go along there and you've got there, you meet
Speaker 2: a lot of good people, have good camera artery, you
Speaker 2: can have a laugh, and you go to a competition
Speaker 2: fam where you might go at the other end of
Speaker 2: the country. You're always sort of like a team, but
Speaker 2: when you're in the map, you're on your own. So
Speaker 2: I just enjoyed the training. It was just the work
Speaker 2: ethic got enjoyed, which I still do to a degree. Well,
Speaker 2: that's one of the reasons. And I just love the
Speaker 2: rest in that's it's like any other thing, if you know,
Speaker 2: if you like ex playing guards or smooker, you go
Speaker 2: down the park where you're resting able to go to
Speaker 2: get on the map. I enjoyed that of it, that
Speaker 2: hard work.
Speaker 1: That's amazing. And so you said you from from uh
Speaker 1: from a child, you were you were a fan and
Speaker 1: you you really enjoyed and know that you were correct
Speaker 1: me if I'm wrong. But were you born in Hastings,
Speaker 1: East East Sussex.
Speaker 2: Yeah, yeah, So I was born in Hatings and then
Speaker 2: parents moved to Brighton. You know, I was really you know,
Speaker 2: I don't think it was a year old because after
Speaker 2: the war it was hard to get There was a
Speaker 2: lot of displacement places bombed out, so it was hard
Speaker 2: to get, hard to get rented accommodation. But then we
Speaker 2: moved into the local council built sort of social housing.
Speaker 2: We went to social housing which was you know, it
Speaker 2: was good about the part there and you know it
Speaker 2: was grass all around to play football or cricket or whatever.
Speaker 2: Oh yeah, it was all right.
Speaker 1: What uh did you did you do in a lot
Speaker 1: of traveling when you were wrestler, I mean, or did
Speaker 1: you kind of stay within within your kind of area
Speaker 1: your reaching?
Speaker 2: Well, well, what we had because we were stationed not
Speaker 2: stage bog because we used to train at the Boys Club.
Speaker 2: One of the guys used to do those put the
Speaker 2: posters up. So we had a three ton lorry. It
Speaker 2: wasn't me as it was a company. So if we
Speaker 2: wanted to move we had to move the ring. We
Speaker 2: had to get him to come along and then we've
Speaker 2: moved the ring, load it up, take it to the venue.
Speaker 2: So all in Sussex we never went like really mean,
Speaker 2: I think the furthest we went with about twenty five
Speaker 2: to twenty six miles away because you had to get
Speaker 2: the ring there put the ring up. But we had
Speaker 2: a we had a couple of guys at him. We
Speaker 2: worked for an engineering film film and they made the ring.
Speaker 2: There was no nuts and bolts. All of us could
Speaker 2: up from start to for Fish twenty five mire My spanners, No,
Speaker 2: it was great. I think they had like pins which
Speaker 2: started us all in and with a resting ring. What
Speaker 2: you're doing just when you've got the four sides obviously
Speaker 2: you've got the case going across well, they are fixed
Speaker 2: on the floor at the floor with the resting ring.
Speaker 2: The two center structure go across the floor and when
Speaker 2: you get a slam, it's got some give because if
Speaker 2: you've got no if you get slain, our body's flame
Speaker 2: even though you're breaking, the full shake dropped it. So
Speaker 2: we had a ring with design like that. So if
Speaker 2: you cut eve, the fore sides are on the floor
Speaker 2: with the two across the middle off the floor about
Speaker 2: six or eight inches, so when you got the slam,
Speaker 2: had a bit of give. If you had no give,
Speaker 2: you're in something solid. It really hurts Tony.
Speaker 3: When you were performing before. When you're performing poor crowds
Speaker 3: in England I'm curious, what did you think the mentality
Speaker 3: was of the audience. Did they really buy into what
Speaker 3: they were seeing? Were they having a laugh?
Speaker 2: What was the well you got your die hard fans. Yeah,
Speaker 2: I believe anything right, not being disrespectful to So we
Speaker 2: used to have a guy, Nicky's name was if he
Speaker 2: touched his own sister feet, you know, to flick it.
Speaker 2: So we worked at them his blood he's bleeding. Well,
Speaker 2: you've got to believe in his blood. And then there
Speaker 2: was another guy who used to train me. If he
Speaker 2: threw him towards the rope, he used to dive, so
Speaker 2: his head was between the middle rope and the top rope,
Speaker 2: and one arm was over the top rope and one
Speaker 2: arm was under the middle rope and he'd spring over
Speaker 2: and he'd be hang him like that by his neck in.
Speaker 2: So he did it. I didn't realize he was going
Speaker 2: to do it. So when he did it, I had
Speaker 2: to put a towel over because I was laughing. I'm
Speaker 2: trying to get them, don't get him made to turn around.
Speaker 2: I was. But when people see that, they think, oh,
Speaker 2: he must be real. Kay wow.
Speaker 3: I So, so there was a good degree of buy
Speaker 3: and then from the audience. It was there was you
Speaker 3: guys made it a priority to get people to believe
Speaker 3: it sounds like.
Speaker 2: Well not only there once, even if it was well
Speaker 2: got along on which it could sound so's gone once
Speaker 2: the crowd get dying and they shout and they burn.
Speaker 2: It's like in Texas. Everyone starts shouting and screaming and
Speaker 2: then they get excited and they forget about is it really?
Speaker 1: Is it not?
Speaker 2: Just in the moment there they did the examined. They
Speaker 2: want to see the guy get beaten. There's a bad
Speaker 2: beat boom Bruin's pandemonium. But that's when they go away
Speaker 2: and they might be working. But I enjoyed it. That's
Speaker 2: the main thing.
Speaker 3: What were some of the things the heels would say
Speaker 3: to the crowd in that part of the world to
Speaker 3: get them worked up. We're familiar with United States heel tactics,
Speaker 3: but what would they do in England.
Speaker 2: Well, you didn't actually speak a lot, you just it
Speaker 2: was more justice. So because I was a baddie, I
Speaker 2: used to strutch around and if it's like the women
Speaker 2: was shouting at me, I plan a kish take it.
Speaker 2: I hadn't gone, so you'd sort of wind them up
Speaker 2: and then get bound up, and then people around them
Speaker 2: and get bound up, and then everyone I'd hate you,
Speaker 2: which is what you wanted to do. You want a reaction.
Speaker 1: So you were a bad guy. Yeah, that's amazing.
Speaker 2: I was, but I wasn't. I was. I wasn't bad
Speaker 2: as him doing dirty fowls. I was more aggressive. I
Speaker 2: wouldn't let get up, and I'd follow them down and
Speaker 2: I would go. I would go over the top, and
Speaker 2: my speciality was they phone me. I'd go across the room,
Speaker 2: slide out under the bottom of you stand on the outside.
Speaker 2: One full arm smash. I dropped and I'm problem with
Speaker 2: her one I just got back into the crowd. I
Speaker 2: didn't do that too many times, but one time I
Speaker 2: did it and I landed on a plastic one of
Speaker 2: those seats and metal seats for the play. I ended
Speaker 2: smack into it. The nag's splitting out round up in
Speaker 2: a full in a full raw. I think it's happened
Speaker 2: so fast. I think, you know, I don't think I'll
Speaker 2: be doing that too often. But it was great. Get
Speaker 2: the crowds round up, oh for sure. And he did
Speaker 2: a big job.
Speaker 3: That's that's wonderful. Did you ever run into Billy Robinson.
Speaker 2: No, I never met Billy Robinson. I'll tell you I
Speaker 2: did meet. It was Carl Gotch.
Speaker 1: Oh sure, did you say Pat Roach? That what I heard?
Speaker 3: Oh, Carl Gotch.
Speaker 2: Yeah, yeah, Carl got Because Carl Gotch came to this
Speaker 2: country and he learned Cat's catch can. He was friend
Speaker 2: with Billy Robinson and then he went to America in
Speaker 2: nineteen sixty and then he was in Japan. He was
Speaker 2: known as the god of pro wrestling because he talked.
Speaker 2: He talked the people that took sako Aba Tatch wrestling
Speaker 2: over there, and then Billy Robinson went over there. So
Speaker 2: they were big names in the rest because he put
Speaker 2: together the nine Pank crist Instead of Pank Cristion, which
Speaker 2: is the old great name for the mids Marshals, they
Speaker 2: called it Pangchris. So I'll maybe twice over here. Very
Speaker 2: knowledgeable of the full rest pics of the wrestling, you know,
Speaker 2: the program and the and the patch wrestling, but I've
Speaker 2: never actually met Billy Robinson.
Speaker 1: That's that reminds me too, you know. We uh, we've
Speaker 1: had we've noticed as we've been doing the James Bond films,
Speaker 1: uh and kind of finding the wrestling connections and the
Speaker 1: James Bond films. We've found out there are quite a few.
Speaker 1: There are a lot, and the majority of them have
Speaker 1: a wrestling connection. And I'm curious, did you Well, I'm
Speaker 1: gonna throw some names at you if you don't mind,
Speaker 1: and I'm gonna see, uh, if you ever crossed paths
Speaker 1: or met them or whatever. Milton Reed, who is the
Speaker 1: Mighty Chang?
Speaker 2: Yeah? I never mentioned he was a friend of Bird,
Speaker 2: but I heard about him obviously, never meant.
Speaker 1: How about Tiger Joe or Doug Robinson.
Speaker 2: Doug was used to living Brian. I met him a
Speaker 2: few times, you know, I just met for someone else.
Speaker 2: But he used to run at judo and a karate school. Joe, Yeah,
Speaker 2: Doug Doromins. Yeah, that's one of the There was two brothers, Doug, Yeah,
Speaker 2: Joe and Doug, and that Joe was Yeah, Joe was
Speaker 2: the guy that had the Jim and Brian. He was
Speaker 2: the biggest a two Dougie Rominson. I will with him
Speaker 2: on a few jobs years ago. He was the judo man.
Speaker 1: Yeah, did you and they also did was it a
Speaker 1: Cumberland Westmoreland style too? Did you ever do that?
Speaker 2: Yeah, that's no that's all very rare to get people
Speaker 2: doing that. You know, that's more like where it comes from.
Speaker 2: It's not sort of it's sort of combined contained in
Speaker 2: the area, you know, the practis thing was more popular,
Speaker 2: that's more stylized the Cumberland in the area and most
Speaker 2: probably saying but outside.
Speaker 1: Yeah, we were, we were pretty fascinated by just when
Speaker 1: we were reading about it or talking about it. I
Speaker 1: had never heard of it before until we started doing
Speaker 1: research on the Robinson's and I was we were both
Speaker 1: Jack and I were both kind of amazed that at
Speaker 1: this at this particular style of wrestling the Cumberland West.
Speaker 2: Be honest with you, I've never I've never seen it,
Speaker 2: but it's I do know that looking at pictures of Jusses,
Speaker 2: what they were doing was a lot of different than
Speaker 2: than the cat could you see was a hybrid, it
Speaker 2: was a highbrid. It was started out it's a submission wrestling.
Speaker 2: So say some guys ago doing the merchant over, they
Speaker 2: go to Japan and they go to the gym. I've
Speaker 2: got a move. I show this move now inju you've
Speaker 2: got an arm bar. You know that, you obviously know, Yeah,
Speaker 2: But in cats, I put the arm bar. Then if
Speaker 2: the guy's too strong, they just grabbed the hand and
Speaker 2: I put a wristlock on. So you've got two moves there.
Speaker 2: So they do sort of they change the moves they
Speaker 2: make them. I mean catch wrestling is really the old style,
Speaker 2: not now. The old style is really this you've got
Speaker 2: if they would if the guy was going into forwards
Speaker 2: and they were on his called the Saturday Night ride
Speaker 2: when they hooked their legs in the break him down.
Speaker 2: They use palm stripes to the back of the head
Speaker 2: and then you know, I mean like and then standing
Speaker 2: move where the guy comes in your elbow in your face,
Speaker 2: stepped to the side, elbow goes into his temple. You
Speaker 2: grabbed the army and you do a kimo with double
Speaker 2: wristlop andy click him over. You know that you can't
Speaker 2: do that nowadays. It is too it's It was in
Speaker 2: the Olympics something about nineteen oh four, nineteen oh eight,
Speaker 2: but it was deemed too vicious because I tried palms.
Speaker 3: Yeah, understanding Tony that you don't know a lot about
Speaker 3: those regional styles like the Cumberland style. One thing that's
Speaker 3: always fascinated me as a fan of wrestling history is
Speaker 3: is why these different styles exist and what what does
Speaker 3: it denote to say that this is a different style.
Speaker 3: Does it mean that the matches have different rules?
Speaker 2: Well, I suppose it was just the way it evolved
Speaker 2: in that area. You know, someone said, all, he's a teacher.
Speaker 2: You went along and he taught you, and then yeah,
Speaker 2: you had shown a move, and then maybe you can
Speaker 2: improve that move. It just evolves, or it does evolved,
Speaker 2: it stays same, and if it stays the same, it
Speaker 2: doesn't last. It's I mean Cumblin and where I wouldn't
Speaker 2: know where where to go to see that. I be
Speaker 2: a place in there, But I mean catch catch wrestling,
Speaker 2: go to with him the famous gym, the snake pit
Speaker 2: that's still going. They do courses. A friend of mine's
Speaker 2: been on the courses instructor with it. You know that's
Speaker 2: a bit more popular.
Speaker 1: Sure. A couple more names I want to throw at you.
Speaker 1: Sonny Caldon is yeah, Sonny cold Coldez maybe.
Speaker 2: Oh yeah, old I worked on a job with him,
Speaker 2: not with him, Sonny yeah, Oh no, he's I think
Speaker 2: he's in Canada now he's dead now, must be his eighties. Yeah,
Speaker 2: I think, I mean, yeah, I think I'm not with him,
Speaker 2: but I was on the same shows in years ago.
Speaker 1: Because because he worked on The Man with the Golden
Speaker 1: Gun and also obviously a wrestler. How about Pat Roach.
Speaker 2: Pat Roach, I worked for a job, not wrestling, because
Speaker 2: I did the stunt work. There was there's a series
Speaker 2: called LV Detainer, Yes, yes, Germany. Yeah, yeah, well I
Speaker 2: did the job. I was a stunt called made. There
Speaker 2: was an explosion and I sat down with part really
Speaker 2: lovely pain lovely, really nice man, genuine who talk about
Speaker 2: of wrestling and this, that and the other. And then
Speaker 2: he's gone. Now he's passed a few years ago back.
Speaker 2: But yeah, he was a good amateur boxer apparently.
Speaker 1: Yeah I did I read that. I read that he
Speaker 1: was a boxer as well.
Speaker 2: Yeah, yeah, I mean he was a genuine tough guy.
Speaker 2: He wasn't he wasn't believe he was. He was the
Speaker 2: real bill but lovely, lovely man.
Speaker 1: And uh what about Andy Robbin?
Speaker 2: No sit him on TV.
Speaker 1: Wrestling now?
Speaker 2: Yeah, that's he must be in his eighties. Yeah, I
Speaker 2: mean I sid him on TV when I was younger,
Speaker 2: but I never actually Matka. How about you, I know
Speaker 2: of him, you know I saw him.
Speaker 3: How about you, Tony did you ever have to work
Speaker 3: the wrestling there.
Speaker 2: I don't know a human. You've got to remember that
Speaker 2: their world animals don't matter how tony you think they are,
Speaker 2: they can turn.
Speaker 1: That's smart move, smart move on your part for sure.
Speaker 2: And if you've got a cat, if you've got a cat,
Speaker 2: it is and let me stroke. And if you're still buy,
Speaker 2: you've still got that world animal.
Speaker 3: But so true. So where did where did the Van
Speaker 3: Silva name come from?
Speaker 2: Well, when I got on yourself, See, my real name
Speaker 2: is a silly name. It's Carrairika and never people never
Speaker 2: pat it right and never get it right. So I thought,
Speaker 2: Tony Silver, so on inequity, you can't have the same
Speaker 2: name for someone else, even if it's your genuine name.
Speaker 2: So I thought it said three alternatives, da Silver, Silver
Speaker 2: Van and I won't use that. And that's what happens.
Speaker 2: You're from Tony Silver Toy. It's unusual, Yeah.
Speaker 1: Because like that's that's not that was not a common name. Again,
Speaker 1: when I was trying to look up your Van Silva,
Speaker 1: I was like, I was realizing that it's not a
Speaker 1: very common name.
Speaker 2: I was working on a job with Germany, and yeah,
Speaker 2: you do, I said, But you have a Dutch name.
Speaker 2: I said, no, it's not my real name, right that.
Speaker 3: It's pretty amazing to me, Tony, that you know, the
Speaker 3: wrestling businesses of course replete with with fake names. Everybody's
Speaker 3: got a K fave name in wrestling, but in fact,
Speaker 3: and you had one too. I mean, that's not your
Speaker 3: real name either that you wrestled under. But the one
Speaker 3: you're known for is is the movie business made you
Speaker 3: come up with that fake name, not wrestling.
Speaker 2: Yeah, that's right. Yeah, No another names of the rest
Speaker 2: because it was only an old brain. I've got Beyonces
Speaker 2: one time. It was just local. We did it, we
Speaker 2: enjoyed it, and we use a different name so that
Speaker 2: the text man didn't find out.
Speaker 1: Yeah, I love that. I love that. And speaking actually
Speaker 1: so you know, I regarding kind of your part of
Speaker 1: your transition, just because you talked started talking about the
Speaker 1: stunts a little bit and equity and I emailed you
Speaker 1: about this too, that there was an article in uh
Speaker 1: nineteen eighty four in The Guardian where you were kind
Speaker 1: of having an issue with equity and because it was
Speaker 1: hard for you to become a stunt worker.
Speaker 2: Yeah, I'll tell you what that just say it's totally distant,
Speaker 2: but in those days it was there was a little
Speaker 2: click sorts and did a lot of influence with the
Speaker 2: ex council. So if they didn't like you, you've got
Speaker 2: obstacles put in your path, and that's what happened. So
Speaker 2: I think it as alicitor I got on in the
Speaker 2: end in nineteen eighty six, but all that's done now,
Speaker 2: it's it's completely different now. The difference is a lot
Speaker 2: is a lot, is a lot better.
Speaker 1: That's good, that's great.
Speaker 2: I'm glad to say that.
Speaker 1: Did so like it's kind of a did you find
Speaker 1: it to be outside of this the the equity issue?
Speaker 1: Did you find it kind of an easy transition from uh,
Speaker 1: I mean you were were you doing the Olympic style
Speaker 1: I think at that point, and then you transitioned into
Speaker 1: being a stunt worker.
Speaker 2: Well, a lot of the stunt work is is you
Speaker 2: know fit things, but when you're done pro wrestling, you
Speaker 2: know how to sell a fight, you know how to fall,
Speaker 2: and then you just got to adapt it to working
Speaker 2: in front of the camera because obviously that's totally different.
Speaker 2: But when you're in when you're when you're when you're
Speaker 2: in front of the public, it's no second take. You've
Speaker 2: got to get it right at the first time in
Speaker 2: front of the camera. Oh, can we do it again?
Speaker 2: Can we do it from a different angle?
Speaker 1: To do this?
Speaker 2: Can you do that? So that aspect of it is different,
Speaker 2: but the actual, the actual progressing experience. And I boxed
Speaker 2: when I was younger at school. That come into play
Speaker 2: with the fighting. I know how to move, I need
Speaker 2: to throw a punch. I know to get thrown. I
Speaker 2: know how to throw. So then you just transition. Then
Speaker 2: you do a bit of driving work. Someone shows you
Speaker 2: how to do certain maneuvers if if I've got the timing,
Speaker 2: and you don't see them privately, so you sort of
Speaker 2: learn as you go. It's no sort of from stunt
Speaker 2: school where you go and you qualify, you come out
Speaker 2: and go your stunt. Then you just ifs on now,
Speaker 2: but you actually have six qualifications to show that you
Speaker 2: were physically that you know you're physically okay to do
Speaker 2: the work. So you might do horse riding, which is
Speaker 2: fantastic the source of jobs. I used to horse ride.
Speaker 2: I never had a horse job that I wasn't known
Speaker 2: as a horseman. Then you've got driving, you've got balls,
Speaker 2: bites and anything in between. You know, some of these jobs,
Speaker 2: you might be running along the wall and jumping off
Speaker 2: six foot No big deals there. Anyone can do that.
Speaker 2: But when you do it ten or fifteen times, you've
Speaker 2: got a chance of explaining your ankle, doing your knee
Speaker 2: and your hip.
Speaker 1: Oh sure, you have to.
Speaker 2: You have to sort of be physically fit and agile athletic.
Speaker 2: Bill helps of course.
Speaker 3: Yeah, even a lapsed fan wrestling podcast with Jack and
Speaker 3: for an SEO and JP Sorrow.
Speaker 1: Fan Wrestling podcast.
Speaker 3: Tony, did you get hurt on any of the Bond
Speaker 3: films doing any stunts?
Speaker 2: Not seriously big bangs and crashes. And you know something,
Speaker 2: you put your pads on. Sometimes we've got different kinds
Speaker 2: of page. I've got We've got a really sick, bulky
Speaker 2: page that if you had a big costume money. And
Speaker 2: then if I'm wearing a suit, I've got pads cool
Speaker 2: and inch thick. That's sort you put it on. You
Speaker 2: can a lot of pads take this thing out of it.
Speaker 2: You still get the impact. If you keep laying it
Speaker 2: down bang over the course of the day, you're going
Speaker 2: to feel that. You know, it shakes you up. Anything
Speaker 2: that shakes your body up's.
Speaker 1: No, good for you.
Speaker 2: But I've never had a serious injury. I've had a
Speaker 2: lot of bangs and bruises and twists, normal stuff. You
Speaker 2: know that as you get a few a sort of
Speaker 2: lone the mat, resting or boxing, but not serious.
Speaker 1: Did you get any any Did you have any serious
Speaker 1: injuries while you were wrestling?
Speaker 2: No, only the normal someone sticks head into your buts
Speaker 2: you I'm not on purpose, but not to look on purpose.
Speaker 2: You know in your competition someone fish someone fish upping
Speaker 2: me once and the rest of the see it, which
Speaker 2: is very unusual. But when you've got two bodies cliding
Speaker 2: together at full pace, you're going to get some injuries.
Speaker 2: You're going to get some bruises. But nothing again, fortunately
Speaker 2: nothing just I think I did my neck a nick injury.
Speaker 2: That's I think for about thirty five years. The six
Speaker 2: thirty great down was knocked out. But to get it
Speaker 2: put in so and then you've got every wrestler I
Speaker 2: know it's been rested, has got its own problem.
Speaker 1: Me you mean getting batter always the knees.
Speaker 2: There's probably not and your bat and I mean I've
Speaker 2: got I've had loads of injuries, but because I think
Speaker 2: exact taking all the sacraments. You can't get rid of them,
Speaker 2: but you can contain them.
Speaker 3: Tony, tell us the story of how you went out
Speaker 3: for Bond in the first place. How did you how
Speaker 3: did you get aware of the role, and how did
Speaker 3: it all go?
Speaker 2: Sorry, so again i'll just misstad.
Speaker 3: Sure, take us through how you got on Bond in
Speaker 3: the first place.
Speaker 2: All right, start for Well, what happened was I was
Speaker 2: dubbling albut finny I needed someone with someone sort of old,
Speaker 2: I suppose, and this son called and Major called me
Speaker 2: down and he said, look, I'll put you forward as
Speaker 2: the double. But the director wants to have a look
Speaker 2: at you. So I went down there and I met At.
Speaker 2: I said, I won't win him on another job. At
Speaker 2: dabbed him on large iob I said, ohow's the game
Speaker 2: go blah blah, which is used to mind from this
Speaker 2: director for the earlier. So the director came into the
Speaker 2: great room or this man, so he wasn't going to
Speaker 2: refuse him. He said, turn around, you're.
Speaker 1: About five.
Speaker 2: I've got the job. And then he had a beard
Speaker 2: in it. So they had to have a beard made
Speaker 2: for me, which was no. Eight hundred pounds this bid
Speaker 2: because and this is going back about ten years a
Speaker 2: little one, our little same costumity. But because when I
Speaker 2: was introduced him and I said, how do you wish
Speaker 2: me to just he said, I'll call me Albert. So
Speaker 2: he wasn't up himself. He was a real down to
Speaker 2: a man and he was one of the top back
Speaker 2: to it at one time. You know, he was a
Speaker 2: tough man, but he was like he couldn't help. But
Speaker 2: like he's a really nice, junuine guy, really good experience.
Speaker 1: He seems like an honestly, you know, even and all
Speaker 1: the things that I've that I've ever seen, number finding
Speaker 1: and he always seems like he seems like someone I
Speaker 1: just i'd want to just sit and talk with. He
Speaker 1: seems really nice and and like you said, down to earth.
Speaker 2: I mean it's pretty if we say you came on
Speaker 2: blah blah blah, he talked to you. He wouldn't say
Speaker 2: oh okay. And nucle because as his father was a
Speaker 2: book maker, and when his father was a book maker,
Speaker 2: it was very egal paced to a bit of running.
Speaker 2: And one of the guys here, the dresser who was
Speaker 2: dressing both of us, he said he worked in Ireland
Speaker 2: with him and he paid for everyone got a coach
Speaker 2: and paid for everyone to go to the races, paid
Speaker 2: for everything for a day hunters, worked for a lot
Speaker 2: of hunters, but a lovely, lovely man. Then.
Speaker 1: So during because you were doubling Albert Finney, you were
Speaker 1: probably were you were on set obviously with with Judy
Speaker 1: Dench and Daniel Craig as well. And yes, I can't
Speaker 1: think of his name, the villain too, it was character's
Speaker 1: name was silver, so it doesn't. But what was it
Speaker 1: like working with all you know, Albert Finiham and all
Speaker 1: of this other incredible talent.
Speaker 2: Yeah, well, Judy Games is a very nice lady because
Speaker 2: I could sort of standing veil that well, she was
Speaker 2: old in my arm and walk and then then one
Speaker 2: of the stunts being the masks lovely, lovely girl. She
Speaker 2: was dubbling Judy Gas. But I worked with her on
Speaker 2: another job. It's called carrying Us to Down Jared was
Speaker 2: one of those jobs she was in incided, But you know,
Speaker 2: I spoke to her. She's really really used Elsworth. Doniel Pray,
Speaker 2: I worked with him in the program in ninety four,
Speaker 2: called out fan and I know, oh yeah, sure yeah,
Speaker 2: And I said, you know and sort of looked a
Speaker 2: bit sheep said the wrong. From there, it was a
Speaker 2: bit a loof good. And you've got to remember he
Speaker 2: was like the star. He's got the whole film. He's
Speaker 2: carrying the whole film and his shoulders, you know, so
Speaker 2: he can't he's concentrating. I mean we were on the
Speaker 2: set in pie We'll do it a sky for that
Speaker 2: was inside and I walked into the rig and he
Speaker 2: was there and he was practicing. Looks his right for that,
Speaker 2: and he just kept practicing. He got it right. He
Speaker 2: was on his own because no one knows, just needing it.
Speaker 2: I was in there, I was watching him. So he
Speaker 2: was dedicated, very dedicated to the job. He went training
Speaker 2: and he went in the way. He got a totally
Speaker 2: different lifestyle than what he was used to before it
Speaker 2: got gone film. Yeah, yeah, yeah, he was.
Speaker 1: He was.
Speaker 2: I mean, he was all right. He speak alone that
Speaker 2: but I wasn't in the physician to have a long
Speaker 2: conversations with him because there wasn't the time. But was
Speaker 2: on with him all the time. You know, we had
Speaker 2: the chat laugh. Yeah, it's really it's a good check.
Speaker 1: How many how many days did you work on Skyfall?
Speaker 2: Oh? I know, I can't remember because I might do
Speaker 2: two days one week and three days next week, and
Speaker 2: then I'll be old, you know I can. I'll be
Speaker 2: honest with you, I can. I can't can't remember how
Speaker 2: many days because I sort of go there. I just think, right,
Speaker 2: I made today and do what I do today. I
Speaker 2: don't sort of keeping account of bit, you know, I mean,
Speaker 2: I suppose I could do it. I looked up I
Speaker 2: found I don't really, I don't really know what to
Speaker 2: be honest with.
Speaker 1: Did you go to the Royal premiere, Tony, And No,
Speaker 1: we don't there.
Speaker 2: What they do is they normally have cars to prove
Speaker 2: showing on a Sunday morning somewhere, and then the actual premiere.
Speaker 2: You don't get to that, and there's some sort of
Speaker 2: features those. But I didn't have to get to this.
Speaker 2: I didn't actually get to the showing a tool. I
Speaker 2: don't think, yeah, yeah, I didn't actually get.
Speaker 1: We we weren't really acquainted with Royal premieres and and
Speaker 1: and but we you know, they're all they're all over YouTube,
Speaker 1: and so we've we've watched uh many of them as
Speaker 1: we've been chronicling the James Bond films, and I mean,
Speaker 1: it seems like it's a just uh, just a big
Speaker 1: event for any time a big movie comes out. I mean,
Speaker 1: how often do they hold the Royal premieres? Is it
Speaker 1: for every movie that's made that releases in in the UK?
Speaker 1: Or is it just kind of safe that ones.
Speaker 2: They have a premiere for most most films a role
Speaker 2: premiere most probably I want to to it depends how
Speaker 2: big the film is and as I can get together along,
Speaker 2: But I mean we get film is over time, it's
Speaker 2: not the the role premiere. Maybe one or two of.
Speaker 3: Tony being in the States, we hear and read about.
Speaker 3: You know, how much of a point of national pride
Speaker 3: Bond is in the UK? I wonder, as a lifelong
Speaker 3: britt yourself, can you help us understand, like, is Bond
Speaker 3: really as much of a cultural force as it seems
Speaker 3: to be? Where where does Bond sit in British identity?
Speaker 3: I guess is what I'm asking.
Speaker 2: Well, I'll don't know about now, but when it came out,
Speaker 2: the society has changed because there's lots more different to
Speaker 2: cultures involved nowadays, I think on the whole, people still
Speaker 2: consider it a British symbol. You know that because of
Speaker 2: the publicity, even though the film's made by On which
Speaker 2: is American. He's got the studio in pine Wood change
Speaker 2: Bond stage. It's Yeah, I think I think if you
Speaker 2: if you ask a lot of people, they say, oh, yeah,
Speaker 2: it's definitely it's it's an English thing, but it's not obviously.
Speaker 2: But yeah, I think I think there's still good feelings
Speaker 2: about it because when the Bond film comes out, there's
Speaker 2: always a big splash in the papers and is he
Speaker 2: going to do this?
Speaker 1: Is he going to do?
Speaker 2: Have you got someone else? Do they love all that?
Speaker 2: Because what they do they put these roomor down, Oh
Speaker 2: is going to be the next Bond?
Speaker 1: So then.
Speaker 2: Science that's going to be the Bond. Well, I don't know.
Speaker 2: I haven't been approached. So they're getting all this free
Speaker 2: publisher team possibly rumors about so the name and the
Speaker 2: name is kept in the public. Arema if you like?
Speaker 2: You know, you don't. As soon as there's a Bond
Speaker 2: film coming out of let's say they're going to make
Speaker 2: another one soon, Oh, we're considered so and so for
Speaker 2: the part, Oh, we haven't been a process. But what
Speaker 2: about scientis make a big Bond? You get all this
Speaker 2: conversation about he's going to be the Bond and it's
Speaker 2: costing them nothing. They get know three divers, So it's
Speaker 2: totally true.
Speaker 1: It's totally true. You I imagine were you a Bond
Speaker 1: film from the very beginning, like from what were you
Speaker 1: would have been thirteen when or twelve when the first
Speaker 1: one came out.
Speaker 2: Yeah, yeah, I always speak to watch. I read the
Speaker 2: actual fact, I was to read the I used to
Speaker 2: read the books. Sometimes you get if you read the
Speaker 2: book and then make the film from the book, you
Speaker 2: get more information from your book than you did the film.
Speaker 2: This is a cot the way around. It's just like
Speaker 2: it's just like watching the film but reading it. So
Speaker 2: I always made a point of reading if I can
Speaker 2: the book, and then you get more I get more
Speaker 2: idea of what is because sometimes you watch it, you know,
Speaker 2: because you don't like when you're involved in stands. When
Speaker 2: I look at the film ex action, I'm looking at
Speaker 2: the action and I'm all being it's in the plot.
Speaker 2: So then because I look at what one day, that's good.
Speaker 2: So my concentration is not on the plot. It's just
Speaker 2: how I do the actually, But then I'll watch it
Speaker 2: again and I think, oh, we've got the plot now.
Speaker 3: Tony, we got to put you on the spot, who's
Speaker 3: your favorite Bond? Who did it best?
Speaker 2: I would say I'd say Seng Yep, Yeah, I.
Speaker 1: Mean it's hard. It's hard. It's hard to debate that.
Speaker 1: I mean, I guess you could say whoever is like
Speaker 1: whenever you watch it the first time, but it's hard
Speaker 1: to debate after you watch Sean Connery in the role
Speaker 1: to uh, to say anyone's better.
Speaker 2: Roger Moore was good, but he took us a totally different.
Speaker 1: Yeah, carry did you ever work with Roger Moore?
Speaker 2: Obviously you didn't try. Now I don't think. Now I've
Speaker 2: got I've heard a lot of good stories about it.
Speaker 2: Now you really know, Yeah, he seems it's literally that
Speaker 2: didn't route. And then then you had there was an
Speaker 2: English actor Tractic Blacks who did it. But they don't
Speaker 2: stick in your mind in my mind anyway, you know,
Speaker 2: if he's say Bond automatically, Connor Pierce pos and I
Speaker 2: with Peers posing before on the Jackie chan film with
Speaker 2: that Cold follow, I think it was called that was
Speaker 2: he was a rappy man, really nice guy.
Speaker 1: Yeah, he seems like a two and I would I
Speaker 1: would believe that, yeah.
Speaker 2: Really nice man. Because we were on the set of moment.
Speaker 2: Still he's good enough for him. Others amans people. You
Speaker 2: had this pathetic knowledge only changed the chase Peters with
Speaker 2: Anna bad it's still it's still. Yeah, this is how
Speaker 2: well he said. You want to find that a fact?
Speaker 2: I won't, don't even have to ask. We were really
Speaker 2: really lovely man. But if you're talking about buns and
Speaker 2: comply comes to.
Speaker 1: One, oh for sure I would agree. So I read
Speaker 1: to your your first movie as a stunt performer. Was
Speaker 1: it is it true that it was Tim Burton's Batman?
Speaker 2: Yes?
Speaker 1: It was?
Speaker 2: Yes? I do you think that's wrong? I think I
Speaker 2: did a couple of small ones before that. Maybe then
Speaker 2: I'm blee, But yes.
Speaker 1: What what were you? What was? What were you? Who
Speaker 1: you stunt? H? Who are you doubling? In Batman?
Speaker 2: I was just almost been dubbling almost equal you to
Speaker 2: st go there on a fool over there, that sort
Speaker 2: of job.
Speaker 3: As we've talked about wrestlers that have done stunt work,
Speaker 3: one one giant that comes up who seems to be
Speaker 3: have been involved in like seventy films, is is Judo
Speaker 3: Gan LaBelle. Did you know Jeane at all?
Speaker 2: Well? I don't know if I know Robin and he
Speaker 2: was a stratied wrestler. You know he's stead he's got
Speaker 2: a school. I think he trained Wander Rols. She trained
Speaker 2: for him. There was another car with a Middle Eastern name,
Speaker 2: was like a first Yeah, Carl Carl Parisian. You probably think,
Speaker 2: yeah cars. There's another one. I can't think of his name.
Speaker 2: Ye know, he's in actual fact, Carl Gotch. He knew
Speaker 2: Carl Gotch, Judo junior car and h I think he
Speaker 2: mentioned Carl got a few times because he was he
Speaker 2: was something else that cold, I'll tell you as a wrestler.
Speaker 2: But yeah, she don't be a girl. Yes, I've definitely
Speaker 2: been in on the on the YouTube and about him.
Speaker 2: So he was a genuine, genuinely like.
Speaker 3: Last last question from me to you, Tony, do you
Speaker 3: get the chance to watch pro wrestling as it is
Speaker 3: today and what do you think about the way it
Speaker 3: is now compared to your day?
Speaker 2: Well, I've watched it. The other night I came across it.
Speaker 2: I was down for I can't watch this plug.
Speaker 3: It used to be better, right Tony.
Speaker 2: Well, it's my opinion, but that's only me. I mean
Speaker 2: if you, if you if you just started watching the
Speaker 2: last five years, you would say this is great because
Speaker 2: you haven't got anything to compare it with. But when
Speaker 2: you go back, h it's totally different. Whether that's star
Speaker 2: then would suit now that fish is going cycle, don't they?
Speaker 2: But because the people have been educated to watch the
Speaker 2: restling as it is now, there flying around and all
Speaker 2: the gimmicks and all the dead boss and all the
Speaker 2: rest of the numbers, that's what they said. That's to them.
Speaker 2: That is so you seldom go back thirty years. I'd
Speaker 2: say it's think this is nothing enough resting to do.
Speaker 2: I can't watch it. I just now, I'll whats you? Yeah,
Speaker 2: turn it off. There's no story used to get a
Speaker 2: good guy in the bag. But you take the story
Speaker 2: right on the baddie. I take seven percent on the bad.
Speaker 2: He needs to come back the crowd. Then go back
Speaker 2: telling the story. You get the crowded dogs in the story.
Speaker 2: To me, there doesn't seem to be they're not telling
Speaker 2: a story, they're just it's just an acabatic to me anyway.
Speaker 2: That's you know, they are planting air fling. It's great,
Speaker 2: doesn't be wrong. What they do is fantastic, But in
Speaker 2: in showing or telling the story, he doesn't tell a story.
Speaker 2: You must have a load of acrobats flying around, juggers
Speaker 2: and whatever. It's not for me, I call it.
Speaker 1: I call it flippy floppy wrestling. Yeah, I'm with you
Speaker 1: on that. I mean, I prefer it to be a
Speaker 1: little more of a straight fight and kind of you know,
Speaker 1: athletic and you know, using holds and moves and stuff.
Speaker 1: But we always argue on our show that you need
Speaker 1: to feel like somebody's trying to win, not trying to
Speaker 1: put on a good show.
Speaker 2: Yeah. Well that's that's what I'm getting through about the story.
Speaker 2: You've got the bad guy, he's passing a good guy
Speaker 2: up all with what he's doing with and then then
Speaker 2: then they make a comeback. Then the crack are mad,
Speaker 2: and then he gets a full or pin and then
Speaker 2: the bad guy pubjects to it, and then he's stumping
Speaker 2: around a room of people are bullying and shaking ef.
Speaker 2: People get involved in it, you know that they become part,
Speaker 2: everything becomes together. They will be coomped, part of arrested
Speaker 2: because they want that man to win. They want to
Speaker 2: see him get beat, don't want the other guy to win.
Speaker 2: And the shoe stop bull from And I got a
Speaker 2: White Stork. He sounds. So he comes to and I
Speaker 2: get and the two about it is of it's real,
Speaker 2: which is what you're.
Speaker 1: Doing, right, of course, that's that's kind of the whole.
Speaker 1: The whole idea is you want it to seem like
Speaker 1: it's a real fight.
Speaker 2: It's people people who have a good noight out pass.
Speaker 2: It's gotten much risk in for a lot of these
Speaker 2: people still get involved because once everyone starts burning and starting,
Speaker 2: they join in. So now they're becoming involved when they
Speaker 2: don't think they would be. So yeah, well that small
Speaker 2: deal of any Well, then everyone's different.
Speaker 1: I wanted to ask you, uh also, you know you
Speaker 1: obviously we said you've been involved with the Bond franchise.
Speaker 1: You've been involved with numerous crazy big movie franchises. Uh,
Speaker 1: you're according to IMDb, you've been in is it three
Speaker 1: three Marvel movie, Captain America, The Dark World?
Speaker 2: Yeah? What, Yeah, Captain America was it was, Yeah, that's
Speaker 2: a while. Pirates of the Caribbean.
Speaker 1: Parts of the Caribbean too, amazing.
Speaker 2: Yeah, the one where were filmed in Greenwich is a
Speaker 2: naval college there and it was filmed in film there.
Speaker 2: Johnny really nice guy and apparently there was a school
Speaker 2: and they wrote to the camp Hill.
Speaker 1: He went.
Speaker 2: He went along to the school, justice the bar the kids.
Speaker 2: May you know, I mean he didn't just he made
Speaker 2: sure he had also get all the pirate stuff when
Speaker 2: he went to the school, and I was going mad
Speaker 2: for him.
Speaker 1: He made that.
Speaker 2: You know it's good really but yeah it was a
Speaker 2: good film. So many big films though, you're just but
Speaker 2: my point of view, I'm just like I'm just another number.
Speaker 2: They're running around them whatever it is. Because I like
Speaker 2: to work on small productions where I've got to be
Speaker 2: able to say my character what it's going to do?
Speaker 2: The dites, what do you think? They say? Well, what
Speaker 2: I can do this is that you become more involved.
Speaker 2: Is this your part of the actual job, not just
Speaker 2: someone who's run over it and run over it if
Speaker 2: it's nothing wrong with it. But from a point of view,
Speaker 2: have been involved. I like to be involved because some
Speaker 2: coordinating I get involved. Sometimes they ask you and you
Speaker 2: tell them and they don't want to know. They think something.
Speaker 2: I well, oh yeah, I'll stick. Okay, I'm not going
Speaker 2: to argue do it your life, but I can't offer
Speaker 2: them my advice. That's why I'm now or to offer
Speaker 2: them advice and then do the job. They don't want
Speaker 2: to take my advice, then it is what it is.
Speaker 2: It doesn't turn out good. It's not my fault.
Speaker 1: Therefore, do you do you have a favorite uh production,
Speaker 1: the favorite movie, TV series that you u that you
Speaker 1: worked on.
Speaker 2: I'm trying to think now, I'm just think of one
Speaker 2: of the I think I enjoyed them all. Done more
Speaker 2: than that, but I've never not I've never not to do.
Speaker 2: Are I wish I've never done? Sometimes you get someone
Speaker 2: in like the directors of an idiot, but not often,
Speaker 2: well you know, they say, can't we do that? So
Speaker 2: I don't want to do that? Thing said, oh there
Speaker 2: was one, I'll give it a commercial, and I to
Speaker 2: go on there. I had to go on a bit
Speaker 2: of a control towards this blinder. Can you get me?
Speaker 2: I'm not going to get the d I can so
Speaker 2: long or I can only go the I can only
Speaker 2: go ten took back, and today I can't. I said,
Speaker 2: I can only go at the end. Well, I can't
Speaker 2: down further. He couldn't see the logical it. We'll wasting
Speaker 2: moutonn here. But in all the jobs, I've enjoyed them
Speaker 2: all that job in the in Morocco, and anyway, it
Speaker 2: was it was a prank show Middle Eastern. Oh, it
Speaker 2: was mad that Samary. It's the biggest showing in the East.
Speaker 2: And they were in his hotel and uh, they get
Speaker 2: they got the brist to this room, kind of falls
Speaker 2: up the thirty four thirty six and then he comes
Speaker 2: running in just as there's a fire. You've got kind
Speaker 2: of diying up the stairs and smoke. They get him
Speaker 2: on the roof and then the helicopter comes. He wears
Speaker 2: the lay coop to us and it's a big panic
Speaker 2: and he takes his with me. I want to kick
Speaker 2: it and bade him up. Oh it's bad, it's absolutely
Speaker 2: It wasn't bad because there was a there was another
Speaker 2: tower block opposite them, between towers. Though they don't say
Speaker 2: I'm too anyway, Originally they were going to put a
Speaker 2: zipline across, put one of the zip on to get
Speaker 2: them to the other hotel and then make the zipline
Speaker 2: snaps of the angling. Can't do that. Yeah, No, I
Speaker 2: mean they're mad because the year before they said, oh
Speaker 2: look he'd invite due to him the films being in
Speaker 2: the desert. So they go in the car and the
Speaker 2: two cars put up. Guys come up with the classics Master.
Speaker 2: They've got one of the floor. They're going to shoot
Speaker 2: them and it comes it's me. It's a plank.
Speaker 1: I said, oh my god, it was.
Speaker 2: It was a bad three weeks. But because it literally
Speaker 2: they've got math concept for times we would picking up
Speaker 2: eleven show they've just got well, we never got anything short.
Speaker 2: So I've always sad the way for it was a
Speaker 2: great job because we looked at in the hotel. We're
Speaker 2: working in the outel on the roof, so we didn't
Speaker 2: have to go traveling. It's a really good job. That's
Speaker 2: one of my favorite jobs for being out there weird
Speaker 2: but enjoyed.
Speaker 1: Great. Yeah. My last question for you, sir, Yes, can
Speaker 1: we will we ever see Tony Van Silva back of
Speaker 1: the wrestling ring.
Speaker 2: It's not as a pro now, no, not. I don't
Speaker 2: want to be the referee. I was, you know, I
Speaker 2: did the referee job one night and I think it's
Speaker 2: about six sums and I was sick. You don't run
Speaker 2: back in a sixth early and I was working. It's
Speaker 2: a worth doing the referee. So as I don't even
Speaker 2: want to be a referee, now now there's no I
Speaker 2: just couldn't do what they do now classic injuries and
Speaker 2: you know I've still go down the jill and think
Speaker 2: back work and I'll get back into the oldum not okay,
Speaker 2: do a little bit of that wound at a bit better,
Speaker 2: but actual progress in no way. You couldn't find me enough.
Speaker 1: I just love it.
Speaker 2: I just I could do it. I've got no desire,
Speaker 2: let's put that.
Speaker 1: Yeah, and I can understand that you're not going to
Speaker 1: do any flipping flopping around in the ring. No desire
Speaker 1: to do that.
Speaker 2: Yeah, well yeah I could. I'd have to do it.
Speaker 2: I'd have to make it look like I'd have to
Speaker 2: give me best to make it look like well to
Speaker 2: do that nonsenseff, I can't put a clown out.
Speaker 1: Amazing, well, Tony, thank you so much for letting us
Speaker 1: talk with you and sharing about your work experience. Thank
Speaker 1: you as a wrestler, as some of your background and
Speaker 1: as a stunt performer. This has been really uh informative
Speaker 1: and exciting and I can't thank you enough.
Speaker 2: Oh, thank you very much for inviting on there. It's
Speaker 2: very kindly And if you need any more information, just
Speaker 2: let us know and I'll see what I can dig up.
Speaker 2: If I can dig it up, I will, so I
Speaker 2: think anything sort of we got to ask me. All
Speaker 2: you want people more explanation of you know, just email me.
Speaker 1: I appreciate that.
Speaker 2: Sometimes it will be starting with time, you know what
Speaker 2: I mean, it's been quite a few weeks now. But
Speaker 2: as I say, I don't I thought today then at
Speaker 2: least you know something or something there. And because you
Speaker 2: sent me all those questions, which is good gaming idea,
Speaker 2: but of just doing this off the cup, I don't
Speaker 2: know it's some scripted you know. I think I'll go
Speaker 2: answer that rather just you ask me the question and
Speaker 2: I'll just answer it because when it's comes out as
Speaker 2: it is, not as it might someone else might want
Speaker 2: it to do. Anyway, I'll thank you very much for
Speaker 2: p interviewing me. It's been very kindly. Thank you very
Speaker 2: much for talk.
Speaker 1: Hey, thank you again, and we'll be in touch soon
Speaker 1: for sure.
Speaker 2: Now you will, yeah, lovely, Thank you very much, Take
Speaker 2: you ja, take care.
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