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Speaker 3: Oh g is, folks, it's showtime.
Speaker 4: People say good money to see this movie.
Speaker 3: When they go out to a theater.
Speaker 5: They want clothed sodas, hot popcorn, and no monsters in
Speaker 5: the projection booth.
Speaker 3: Everyone pretend podcasting isn't boring.
Speaker 6: He's been called whooped, freaky, absurd, and just plain discus. Now,
Speaker 6: for his first starring role ever, they're letting Tom Green
Speaker 6: do it.
Speaker 5: He's way bye, my daddy, I'm going to get some job.
Speaker 7: So he's mighty God.
Speaker 3: The characters are laying I'm a loser.
Speaker 4: I wish I was dead for acting, building sets, directed
Speaker 4: and produce him.
Speaker 3: Money's no option.
Speaker 5: The helicopter one hundred fifty thousan dollars one hundred dollars.
Speaker 3: Then you have the seven hundred and fifty thousand dollars.
Speaker 1: That's all my money with his own, How are you?
Speaker 8: I'd be a lot better if you'd smack my legs
Speaker 8: with this bamboostick.
Speaker 4: Special to Freddy Got Fingered, Jeez Louise, say it, jesuis
Speaker 4: Jeez Louise.
Speaker 3: Jeez Louis.
Speaker 4: Yes, said shooting now in Theaters two thousand and one.
Speaker 9: No, I just like to say, jays Louise, that's a
Speaker 9: that's all. I just like to say, Gez Louise, that's
Speaker 9: all okay, So I just like to say g's Louise.
Speaker 2: Welcome to the Projection Booth. I'm your host, Mike White,
Speaker 2: Jimmy once again, is mister Rob Saint Mary.
Speaker 1: I'm not just moving to Hollywood to work in a
Speaker 1: cheese sandwich factory.
Speaker 2: Also back in the booth is Miss Heather drain Daddy.
Speaker 7: Would you like some sausage?
Speaker 3: Teddy?
Speaker 7: Would you like some sausages?
Speaker 1: Somebody?
Speaker 2: Month concludes with a look at Tom Green's anti comedy
Speaker 2: Freddy Got Fingered, released in two thousand and one. This
Speaker 2: was a World before nine to eleven. This was April twenty,
Speaker 2: two thousand and one. The film stars Green as Gord Brodie,
Speaker 2: an artist who wants to get his drawings turned into
Speaker 2: a show. He adds to Hollywood, where he gets a
Speaker 2: job making delicious cheese sandwich.
Speaker 8: I just thought people might be getting a little hungry.
Speaker 8: It's a delicious cheese sandwich. A delicious cheese sandwich. Isn't
Speaker 8: that delicious? Isn't that a delicious cheese sandwich?
Speaker 2: Has a disastrous pitch meeting and goes back to live
Speaker 2: with his parents. We will be spoiling this film as
Speaker 2: we discuss it, so if you don't want anything ruined,
Speaker 2: please turn off the show and watch the movie. We
Speaker 2: will still be here when you get back. So, Rob,
Speaker 2: when was the first time you saw Freddy got fingered?
Speaker 2: And what did you think.
Speaker 1: When Tom Green was big in the late nineties early aunts,
Speaker 1: I didn't have cable, so I grew up in a
Speaker 1: house without cable. As a matter of fact, the first
Speaker 1: thing that my mother did when I moved out of
Speaker 1: the house was get three things for that house that
Speaker 1: I wanted as a kid, a dog, air conditioning, and cable.
Speaker 1: It was like as soon as I moved out, and
Speaker 1: I was like, okay, I see how it is. I
Speaker 1: didn't get the LeBaron, but my mom got that stuff.
Speaker 1: So anyway, this must have been I think maybe two
Speaker 1: years ago. The Criterion had a section on the movies
Speaker 1: produced by MTV Films, so that included Jackass, but also Artier,
Speaker 1: fair like Election, and of course this one is in there.
Speaker 1: And I thought, you know what, if it's good enough
Speaker 1: for Criterion, maybe I should watch it because I had
Speaker 1: seen the trailer, I had heard the awful a Cisco
Speaker 1: and Ebert did the review.
Speaker 10: It's a vomitatorium of a movie starring Green as gored
Speaker 10: and I'm notxious retard who makes it his life's work
Speaker 10: to freak out his dad play with teeth gnashing scorn
Speaker 10: by rip porn on TV. We can't show you the
Speaker 10: scene where Green swings a newborn baby around his head
Speaker 10: by its umbilical cord, or two scenes evolving the sexual
Speaker 10: organs of a stallion an a bull elephant, or when
Speaker 10: he skins a deer around wearing his bloody carcass, or
Speaker 10: any of the jokes about child abuse. The MPAA gave
Speaker 10: this movie an R rating. That's definitive evidence that the
Speaker 10: NPA ratings board is morally a drift and that we
Speaker 10: need a workable adult rating for movies like this.
Speaker 11: You're absolutely right, this is ground zero. It has to
Speaker 11: be ground zero of bad comedies. And Tom Green with
Speaker 11: this horse and with this elephant. If a woman was
Speaker 11: doing that, this movie'd be banned in Tijuana, let alone
Speaker 11: getting an R rating. And it's just so horrible and
Speaker 11: he's such an unfunny guy. He should be Flippenberger somewhere.
Speaker 11: Why is Tom Green getting movies?
Speaker 4: And who wants to.
Speaker 3: See this guy?
Speaker 11: You know, even in a stupid comedy, there has to
Speaker 11: be a setup before you have a punchline. This is
Speaker 11: just hey, let's just do a bunch of punchlines, and
Speaker 11: the punchlines are let's do gross out stuff.
Speaker 1: Roger Ebert just loved this one, and so I was like, Eh,
Speaker 1: really have a way in because I wasn't really a
Speaker 1: fan of him. So I watched it and I was like,
Speaker 1: oh my god, this is brilliant and horrible at the
Speaker 1: same time. As I wrote on my letterbox, I go,
Speaker 1: this is absurdist and surrealist, and it fits right in
Speaker 1: the context of everything else that was going on at
Speaker 1: that time, because if you remember in the late nineties
Speaker 1: early two thousands, there was all of the gross out comedies,
Speaker 1: and a lot of the gross out comedies also had
Speaker 1: like sentimentality about family, and it was like he took
Speaker 1: all of that and just amped it and satirized it
Speaker 1: at the same time. So I just was like, I
Speaker 1: don't know if you can sit down and watch this
Speaker 1: like you would watch anything in particular, but if you
Speaker 1: look at it as like a piece of art that
Speaker 1: you can dissect as a satire piece, I think it's
Speaker 1: I think it's brilliant. There's sections of it that do
Speaker 1: make me laugh really fucking hard. I can see that
Speaker 1: people would enjoy this probably under substance as well. It
Speaker 1: feels like in a lot of ways. When I was
Speaker 1: on it was one of the first episodes I was
Speaker 1: on with you. I used to talk about how Bloodsucking
Speaker 1: Freaks has all of these layers of meaning and symbolism,
Speaker 1: and I'm like, did Joel m Reid seek to do that?
Speaker 1: I'm like, I don't think so. And there's part of
Speaker 1: me that I just think Tom Green was being Tom
Speaker 1: Green and at the same time there is all of
Speaker 1: that in here, and Heather, how about yourself?
Speaker 12: That that was beautiful. By the way I entered this film,
Speaker 12: I saw it. I didn't get to see it in
Speaker 12: the theater, but I remember renting it.
Speaker 7: I entered it as a Tom Green fan. I loved
Speaker 7: his show on MTV.
Speaker 12: I was even a fan of the bum song Freebody
Speaker 12: remembers that. In fact, I still occasionally have been noticing
Speaker 12: it because yeah, my bum my bum is on the gump,
Speaker 12: like it's just Tom Green. For me, it's always been
Speaker 12: like that great mix of humor that is really, on
Speaker 12: one hand, completely super like you cannot it's not intellectual.
Speaker 12: It is honestly going to just immediately just hit a
Speaker 12: lot of people the wrong way. But there's always he's
Speaker 12: always doing just like the sense of completely what you said, absurdism.
Speaker 7: It was almost like data.
Speaker 12: Just just just the craziness of it, of some of
Speaker 12: the stuff that he would do on a show and
Speaker 12: just legit funny. Just I found a lot. I just
Speaker 12: find him like incredibly funny. So I was excited about
Speaker 12: the movie despite the horrible trailer.
Speaker 7: This was a bad era for how.
Speaker 12: Trailers were edited. I'm not a fan of how trailers
Speaker 12: are cut now, to be honest. If you go back
Speaker 12: and look at the early odds and late nighties for comedies,
Speaker 12: it is it's rough. Bubble Boy was another one, and
Speaker 12: that was another film that was actually like a really
Speaker 12: fun subversive comedy that got get like what it really was.
Speaker 2: We'll go to my grave just saying that.
Speaker 7: That's a wonderful for that.
Speaker 2: There's a part of me that really wants to cover
Speaker 2: that at some point in the future you should.
Speaker 12: It's a really tremendously underrated film. I love Bubble Boy,
Speaker 12: but it was promoted terribly and rewatching the trailer for
Speaker 12: Fred you got fingered. Prepping for this, I was like, God,
Speaker 12: this trailer is terrible. But by reading the movie and
Speaker 12: the movie is, I wouldn't call it a masterpiece. There
Speaker 12: are parts that I think, especially revisiting it, have fallen.
Speaker 7: Flat for me.
Speaker 12: The parts that make me laugh really incredibly hard, are
Speaker 12: so unhinged, so beautifully unhinged, and such a great antidote
Speaker 12: to that.
Speaker 7: To your point, rob, to that whole can I new people.
Speaker 12: I actually dated a guy that said that, Actually you
Speaker 12: said accused me of not liking gross out heureor because
Speaker 12: I didn't like me myself and Irene.
Speaker 7: Keep in mind, this was already me watching Pink Flamingos
Speaker 7: as my meditation tape in college. But I couldn't handle
Speaker 7: the Farellis. So it's because I'm a girl. That's that's
Speaker 7: why he's an ex.
Speaker 12: Fair to me was like, it's like Tom Green being like,
Speaker 12: oh you got you think that's okay, cute? Check this out,
Speaker 12: and then having this amazing cast. We'll get all into
Speaker 12: on that. But I really I have a huge saucewat
Speaker 12: Rose Baby.
Speaker 7: It's that perfect. Obviously, it's that for anybody.
Speaker 12: I'm amazed that people hated it, because I'm like, if
Speaker 12: you know who Tom Green is, why'd you even watch it?
Speaker 12: I haven't watched the Notebook Eber even reviewing this was absurd.
Speaker 12: It's like, why who was clamoring for Roger Ebert's opinion
Speaker 12: on Freddy got fingered butt?
Speaker 7: AnyWho? What about you, Mike?
Speaker 2: Well, for me, I saw this for the first time,
Speaker 2: it was probably DBD. It probably wasn't a VHS tape
Speaker 2: because I think by two thousand and two and I
Speaker 2: probably saw this, we had moved on from VHS mostly
Speaker 2: say what you will about the formats, but and I
Speaker 2: did not grow up with Tom Green. Obviously I was
Speaker 2: aware of Tom Green. You really couldn't escape Tom Green
Speaker 2: because he was just on MTV in so many places
Speaker 2: doing the Pepsi commercials.
Speaker 3: I'm on a mission.
Speaker 9: I'm on the road to number one, going to all
Speaker 9: the colleges, colleges.
Speaker 3: I'm going to prove that people love the taste of pepsy.
Speaker 10: One, new pepsi one with a new secret recipe that
Speaker 10: makes it taste too good to be called diet.
Speaker 3: Cactuses, all the taste of pepsy one. People love the
Speaker 3: taste of pepsi one, new pepsi one, true cold taste,
Speaker 3: one calorie.
Speaker 2: All of these things. So I knew of him, but
Speaker 2: I really didn't watch the show. I really didn't realize
Speaker 2: his impact. Like I didn't realize that so much of
Speaker 2: Jackass took from Tom Green, just this whole thing of
Speaker 2: like him waking up his parents and stuff, Like it
Speaker 2: feels like Bam Margera's whole stick was very Tom Green,
Speaker 2: all this stuff with the skateboarding, all this. I mean,
Speaker 2: it's he's a very I want to say, he's only
Speaker 2: like a year older than I am. So it's weird
Speaker 2: to be like contemporaries with Tom Green. He reminds me
Speaker 2: a lot of myself before I I got on medication,
Speaker 2: Like I could swing very wide with the pendulum of emotions,
Speaker 2: you know, like frying jags where I couldn't catch my
Speaker 2: breath from crying so hard. And then also manic episodes
Speaker 2: where I kind of sounded like this with just the
Speaker 2: intensity that he speaks. Really, the whole thing of him
Speaker 2: repeating things and repeating things, I know, that's kind of
Speaker 2: the anti comedy thing, you know. It's it's funny, it's
Speaker 2: not funny. It's really not funny. It swings back to funny.
Speaker 8: Isn't that a delicious cheese sandwich?
Speaker 12: And the repetition, oh my god, a delicious cheese sandwich kind.
Speaker 2: Of drives me a little crazy. Like listening to his
Speaker 2: audio commentary for this, oh my god, that was an ordeal,
Speaker 2: and he's kind of an ordeal for me. I really
Speaker 2: missed the boat with him. When I watched him on
Speaker 2: Last One Laughing recently. I liked him there, and he
Speaker 2: was still doing the same shtick like making people laugh
Speaker 2: what you're not supposed to do on that show, making
Speaker 2: people laugh by just repeating the phrase delicious cheese sandwich
Speaker 2: over and over and over again. I didn't necessarily get
Speaker 2: that this was supposed to be in anti comedy. I
Speaker 2: thought he was being sincere when it came to this film.
Speaker 2: I have since rewatched it recently with that in mind.
Speaker 2: I still don't find it that funny. There are things, obviously,
Speaker 2: like the sausage song. I enjoy that. I didn't realize
Speaker 2: that taping meat to his head was kind of his thing.
Speaker 2: That was one of his first things that he did
Speaker 2: on his early cable access show. It's not my style
Speaker 2: of humor.
Speaker 1: The thing that's good that you sent along with this,
Speaker 1: and I think we can talk about him in parallel
Speaker 1: because I think it helps is the documentary. There's a
Speaker 1: documentary that just came out like in the last year
Speaker 1: or two that actually he directed, which I was like,
Speaker 1: oh God, I'm like people directing their own documentaries, like
Speaker 1: we're in trouble. But I think that he did a
Speaker 1: really nice job interrogating process where it all comes from,
Speaker 1: and that repetition of word thing and some of his
Speaker 1: humor choices that has been amped up. A lot of
Speaker 1: that comes from, as he said, it came from Letterman,
Speaker 1: and I can't help but think of the connection between
Speaker 1: Letterman and how Letterman does that. And then also one
Speaker 1: of my favorites who's also been on the show is
Speaker 1: Chris Elliot. Chris Elliot was doing a lot of just
Speaker 1: anti humor at a time in the eighties and early
Speaker 1: nineties and people just they didn't even know what the
Speaker 1: hell they were looking at what he was doing that stuff, Mike, you.
Speaker 12: Mentioning Bam Margeria and I'm almost now you're making me
Speaker 12: want to go down like some weird rabbit hole where
Speaker 12: I have like a graph of which started first, because
Speaker 12: I know Bam originally started doing that when he was
Speaker 12: doing the Cky videos, which predate Jackass. And I'm just
Speaker 12: outing myself on all things right now of coredutable comedy,
Speaker 12: see k why I could take a relief skateboarding, but
Speaker 12: there's some really just surreal comedy on those, particularly like
Speaker 12: anything with Brandon Decamillo.
Speaker 7: Like there's a song they did called Mustard Man. If
Speaker 7: they did a whole song.
Speaker 12: Of music video to torment a friend of theirs because
Speaker 12: he hated mustards paper, that's funny.
Speaker 7: It makes me laugh.
Speaker 12: I'm curious like if the parallel, if there was like influences,
Speaker 12: or if it was just like this weird zeitgeist of
Speaker 12: just these young guys that yeah, we love punk rock,
Speaker 12: we love skateboarding, and we love torturing our family and
Speaker 12: being just really obnoxious and irreverent and.
Speaker 7: Yeah, this is not for everybody.
Speaker 12: I was actually really I think it's good that we
Speaker 12: have you, like always you're a host. But I've known
Speaker 12: way more people that hate not just like strong.
Speaker 7: Oh it wasn't for me hate this.
Speaker 12: Movie more than I've known people that really that really
Speaker 12: liked it.
Speaker 7: So this will be juicy, it'll be good.
Speaker 2: It's interesting when it comes to the whole skateboarding video thing,
Speaker 2: Like within just the last few months, I've interviewed a
Speaker 2: few people, editors, sound guys where they got their star
Speaker 2: start with skate videos and like even you know, growing up,
Speaker 2: I was never a skateboarder because I have absolutely no
Speaker 2: sense of balance, But I grew up with a lot
Speaker 2: of friends who were skateboarders, and there was one among
Speaker 2: them who was a videographer. He would record everything, he
Speaker 2: would edit stuff, you know, the old VCR to VCR
Speaker 2: type of editing and everything. And then yeah, they started
Speaker 2: to introduce skits into things. I'm sure a lot of
Speaker 2: it was coming from, you know, the Thrasher videos that
Speaker 2: were out. I mean I remember them talking a lot
Speaker 2: about the search for animal chin and just like being
Speaker 2: very close to that culture, but also on the outs
Speaker 2: of it, just because I you know, I knew who
Speaker 2: Stacy Peralta was. I knew Bill dan Forth who he was,
Speaker 2: but I wasn't in that world necessarily. But yeah, it's
Speaker 2: interesting how many people got their start in that world
Speaker 2: and that are still obviously working in the industry today
Speaker 2: that I'm still interviewing people and they're just like, oh, yeah,
Speaker 2: I used to edit skate videos. It's like, that's pretty
Speaker 2: fucking cool that that's where a lot of diy ethos
Speaker 2: came from.
Speaker 1: I'm on the younger end of gen X, so I'm like,
Speaker 1: on the cusp, you're a bit older than me, five
Speaker 1: six years older than me. So it seems like skate
Speaker 1: kids that I knew when I was in like middle
Speaker 1: school and stuff, they were all high school kids. There
Speaker 1: were a good five six years older. They were all
Speaker 1: about your age, about what Tom Green's age was. So
Speaker 1: there was really this combination of punk rock and skate
Speaker 1: culture and early vhs like you could get your hands
Speaker 1: on a camcorder and do stuff. Letterman was probably the
Speaker 1: most out there at the time because the other thing
Speaker 1: that was on at eleven thirty was Carson and he
Speaker 1: was just stayed and for their grandparents like him. By comparison,
Speaker 1: like Letterman was really shaking things up.
Speaker 2: And I just say I was absolutely thrilled watching that
Speaker 2: Tom Green documentary the clips that he chose from David Letterman.
Speaker 2: When the one clip came on and it was Letterman
Speaker 2: who found this woman at her job and they had
Speaker 2: been to her house. As soon as that came up,
Speaker 2: I was like, oh my god, I remember this and
Speaker 2: like said the lines as he's saying them, see this guy,
Speaker 2: he was sitting on your bed that killed me when
Speaker 2: I was younger, And it was just so great to
Speaker 2: see that clip again. Fucking Letterman was so awesome. And
Speaker 2: I just loved the whole thread of how much Tom
Speaker 2: Green loved Letterman and the excitement because I also read
Speaker 2: a lot of Green's autobiography as well, and you know
Speaker 2: he's there like yeah, And then Dave made fun of
Speaker 2: my forty dollars gap sweater and then they played the
Speaker 2: clip and here he is, you know, coming out, and
Speaker 2: it's like, oh, did you buy that sweater at the Gap?
Speaker 1: It's like, yep, great.
Speaker 2: It was so nice to see and to hear him
Speaker 2: meet his hero to me for my bud.
Speaker 12: It was one of the best gags Tom Green ever
Speaker 12: dide on his show was he was on like a
Speaker 12: cruise ship, and there was one of the workers named
Speaker 12: Cereal Kirks, and he's filled fifteen minutes be like the
Speaker 12: viol and we did this these stereal carpets.
Speaker 3: What's your name?
Speaker 2: Oh?
Speaker 12: And I don't I'm not doing it justice because I
Speaker 12: am not a comedian, nor am I Tom Green. But
Speaker 12: to me, it was that irreverence. I've heard some people
Speaker 12: hate on Jackass and I was like, always just grossed out.
Speaker 12: But I'm like, but you kind of love these guys.
Speaker 12: You get to know them as people, and you really
Speaker 12: do care about them, and you enjoy them, and sometimes
Speaker 12: to the point where I don't even like seeing some
Speaker 12: of the stunts because I'm like, oh, I don't do that.
Speaker 7: Don't do that to your butthole. You're a good guy.
Speaker 12: But it with Tom Grad, it was like to me,
Speaker 12: it was always like when he would do the weirder
Speaker 12: stuff that had that just that great strangeness about it,
Speaker 12: because if anybody's just doing something that's just obvious and dumb,
Speaker 12: it's not gonna stick. I've made the same defense for
Speaker 12: Beavis and butthead where some people just we'd be well,
Speaker 12: that shows dumb, and I'm like, it's actually very far
Speaker 12: from dumb, and it holds up.
Speaker 7: I love Beavis and butthead.
Speaker 12: And it's fascinating this whole Zeit guys, all of this
Speaker 12: stuff came coming from MTV in the nineties.
Speaker 7: It's so weird to me watching this movie with the
Speaker 7: budget it has. I don't know if this I mentioning
Speaker 7: like the skateboard videos.
Speaker 12: I kept thinking, I wonder if this movie would hit
Speaker 12: different if it had a fraction of the budget and
Speaker 12: was shot real. DIY do it not like trash Humper's level,
Speaker 12: but maybe keep the cast, keep all of that.
Speaker 7: But because just that the way it was edited.
Speaker 12: And all of that felt very Hollywood, but it didn't
Speaker 12: feel like a satire to me. That felt like the
Speaker 12: studio being like, we got to have some control over
Speaker 12: this because this guy unhinged.
Speaker 1: The most unrealistic part of this movie is the fact
Speaker 1: that there's an American named Gord, thank you.
Speaker 7: The most Canadian name.
Speaker 1: I have never met in an American named Gordon as
Speaker 1: a detroiter, I have met many Canadians by Gord.
Speaker 12: I kept having that this kind act with Gory, what's
Speaker 12: next versus hockey hair?
Speaker 7: Are we gonna have a bag?
Speaker 12: Of like poo like put ketchup potato chips at a
Speaker 12: What was that like a Max Webster album in the background.
Speaker 7: I love Max Webster.
Speaker 1: You gotta get your double double from Timmy's That's right.
Speaker 2: A lot of this movie does feel like there's something
Speaker 2: about Mary at times, especially I mean having Harlan Williams
Speaker 2: show up. I fucking love Harlan and Williams. Speaking of
Speaker 2: another underrated comedy, Rocketman. He is so fucking good in Rocketman.
Speaker 2: I love that movie. I really enjoy him, and you know,
Speaker 2: he kind of threw it back to something about Mary.
Speaker 2: And then even casting of Freddie himself, Eddie K. Thomas,
Speaker 2: We're going right back to his role as Finch in
Speaker 2: American Pie. So it's like interesting to see for me,
Speaker 2: it's like this movie has already started to speak to
Speaker 2: the movies that came before it, even with some of
Speaker 2: the casting choices, and yeah, they are spectacular. I kind
Speaker 2: of wish that Freddie had a little bit more to do.
Speaker 2: He is great playing this dweeb and just playing that
Speaker 2: daddy's boy. Just you know, I'm the one that got
Speaker 2: the job. I'm the one that you know, is fulfilling
Speaker 2: the promises and the dreams of our parents. And he's
Speaker 2: just such a little dickhead and he's.
Speaker 1: Totally disrespected, Like in that one scene where it's oh,
Speaker 1: I got to go to work and all this and
Speaker 1: that great dad it is rip towards whatever. It's like
Speaker 1: he doesn't like any of his kids, like either of them.
Speaker 3: Really.
Speaker 12: The number one son license play on the lombaron and
Speaker 12: I love that God is just it's me.
Speaker 7: I'm the number one son. This is number one son
Speaker 7: in the license plate.
Speaker 1: That's me.
Speaker 8: I'm the number one son.
Speaker 3: What about me?
Speaker 13: Mom? You're number one son too?
Speaker 3: But how come Gord gets a leb Baron and I don't?
Speaker 14: It's because they love me more than they love you?
Speaker 4: No, no, no, they don't.
Speaker 14: Yeah, I only see one LeBaron, Freddy. I only see one.
Speaker 14: I don't see two lebarons. Where's your le baron, Freddy?
Speaker 14: Where's your lebarono? How many lionsd this?
Speaker 1: This car is more than a gift. It's it's kind
Speaker 1: of an investment in you. It means I believe in
Speaker 1: my son.
Speaker 3: You'd be a good man.
Speaker 7: Father.
Speaker 1: I will be a good man. You make your daddy proud.
Speaker 7: You hear me, I'm gonna make you proud, daddy.
Speaker 2: I'm gonna make you so proud.
Speaker 1: You make your daddy proud.
Speaker 7: You're gonna be so.
Speaker 3: Proud, bro.
Speaker 1: Proud.
Speaker 3: Get the fuck out of the line.
Speaker 12: Of the casting in this movie, so we get the casting.
Speaker 12: Rip Torn, for my money is and there are things
Speaker 12: I love about this film.
Speaker 7: I'm obviously not a hater. He is the best thing
Speaker 7: in this movie, Ripped Torn. And it shocks me.
Speaker 12: And of course it's the date malaged my very. I
Speaker 12: don't know how true, and neither is that he wasn't
Speaker 12: even the first choice. And I'm like, and some of
Speaker 12: the choices I saw that they vetted before or tried
Speaker 12: to vote, and it didn't happen before Torn. I was
Speaker 12: like Gary Shandler, like they just went to the Larry
Speaker 12: Sander cast basically and to a tour with third I
Speaker 12: cannot imagine Gery Shandling in this role.
Speaker 7: I can't imagine.
Speaker 12: Maybe I like Jeffrey Tambor, He's awesome, but no nobody
Speaker 12: else could do this role. But Rip Torn, Ripped Torn,
Speaker 12: has that chaos element in him.
Speaker 7: He is chaos.
Speaker 12: If he was a woman, he'd be Heiress, the goddess
Speaker 12: of chaos that is rip Torn. And he also has
Speaker 12: that underground, a reverent spirit about him, even he's the
Speaker 12: like outer limits then doing like Maidstone in the sixties
Speaker 12: and doing wild avant garn theater and so retards. It
Speaker 12: perfect to do this kind of like insane, very anti
Speaker 12: mainstream comedy with a completely mainstream bud and distribution. He's
Speaker 12: perfect and he's so angry in this film. It's like
Speaker 12: he was doing Angel Tossed in the Trail a theater
Speaker 12: and I love him well.
Speaker 2: And he never stopped working. But there was that weird
Speaker 2: bump that he got from Men in Black where it
Speaker 2: was just like, remember this guy, Like, like I said,
Speaker 2: he hadn't gone away. He was Hercules that same year.
Speaker 2: He had been in down Periscope a few years prior
Speaker 2: to that, like he's always been around Canadian Bacon another classic.
Speaker 2: But it's like he got that little bump from Men
Speaker 2: in Black and it was just like, look out, he's back.
Speaker 2: And Ripped Torn, by the way, I always used to
Speaker 2: confuse him with Rip Taylor, because Rip Torn obviously is
Speaker 2: a joke name, and then Rip Taylor doesn't have a
Speaker 2: joke name, but I always mix those two up because
Speaker 2: I was just like, well, of course, the guy whose
Speaker 2: name Rip Torn is throwing confetti everywhere and another nice
Speaker 2: little nod to the end of the first Jeckass movie.
Speaker 1: And that's why I had to send you guys the
Speaker 1: bit about Maidstone, because I'm like, if Tom Green was
Speaker 1: a pain in the ass director, which I don't know
Speaker 1: if he was or not, I'm like, that's nothing compared
Speaker 1: to what Ripped Torn dealing with Norman Mayler in their fight,
Speaker 1: which included a hammer to the skull and someone getting
Speaker 1: their ear bitting off. I'll uh, Mike Tyson, it's crazy.
Speaker 7: We're already having a wave in the theory as it is.
Speaker 12: And then I'm thinking about young viral Rip Torn on
Speaker 12: probably twenty hits to ask hidden Norman Mayler, who was
Speaker 12: such a knob of Layton Mayler. Just it's a terrible person,
Speaker 12: stabbed his pregnant wife at one point, by the way,
Speaker 12: so fuck him. And there's Rip cool as a cucumber,
Speaker 12: call him baby baby the Norman's I could just we
Speaker 12: could do ahole episode on just that scene of Maidstone.
Speaker 7: I would be so glad to guess on that towards perfect.
Speaker 7: He's perfect in this film and it's spanking his fair
Speaker 7: ass going fucking ly.
Speaker 2: Fuck Lee Core, you want a fucking daddy, Fuck you daddy,
Speaker 2: Fuck you daddy.
Speaker 7: It's not right. It's riptort and somebody and Gary shambling
Speaker 7: during that.
Speaker 12: I can't, I can't, and he would probably just sound
Speaker 12: like embarrassed trying to say the lights fuck fuck me.
Speaker 7: I don't know.
Speaker 12: I can't do Gary Shanley, but ripptorn and having Julie
Speaker 12: Haggardy that's the mother like great Julie Haggerty. I always
Speaker 12: loved seeing her pop up in something. She's always just
Speaker 12: like a familiar light for me, which she when I
Speaker 12: see he in a movie.
Speaker 2: Little underdone as far as her role goes, like I
Speaker 2: wish there was a little bit more of her, but
Speaker 2: she's basically the long suffering wife. I do like that
Speaker 2: she ends up leaving him and starts getting some of
Speaker 2: that good dick from.
Speaker 12: Shack, who's like angsteeing out she has she has got
Speaker 12: him what would be the opposite of digmatized vagina tized,
Speaker 12: I got this person for you.
Speaker 7: Like embarrassed for her. It's it's so I'm just like, oh,
Speaker 7: that's lovely, go get that, you go.
Speaker 9: Go.
Speaker 12: Julie Haggerty. No granted being with the melee griptorn that
Speaker 12: this is a rip tour. This is the gim character
Speaker 12: I think, who's even more angry and maybe equally legal
Speaker 12: polititious an action.
Speaker 7: But but yeah, this this family dynamic and then you
Speaker 7: have Gore does a character. Now's the question I have
Speaker 7: for you from both year.
Speaker 12: Do you feel like Gord as a character simultaneously uplifts
Speaker 12: the film because some of the funny spits are som green,
Speaker 12: But then his character is such a bad penny for
Speaker 12: everything he touches that it's sometimes it's it's not funny,
Speaker 12: it's just, oh, Jeeve, Gord, you have such a nice
Speaker 12: Canadian name.
Speaker 3: What are you doing?
Speaker 1: On one level, I could relate to his character because
Speaker 1: I got that they're working class, Like dad works at
Speaker 1: the mill or something, and he wants a creative life.
Speaker 1: He wants to be this cartoonist. And in the beginning
Speaker 1: when he's drawing this X ray cat cartoon and he's like,
Speaker 1: I'm gonna get be an animator and this is like
Speaker 1: his goal and so that's the basically the main driver
Speaker 1: for him is to try and figure out how to
Speaker 1: establish himself. So there's part of me that like can
Speaker 1: relate to that oh man, like, I'm so far away
Speaker 1: from ever having a creative life because basically the best
Speaker 1: I could do would be to go work at the bank,
Speaker 1: which is what the other character has so his brother,
Speaker 1: so to me, I can relate to that. At the
Speaker 1: same time, his character's gone if you did the things
Speaker 1: he does in reality. Like I said, you have to
Speaker 1: look at this as a cartoon to a certain extent,
Speaker 1: because if you were going to take this as sincerity,
Speaker 1: like just him stopping the car and running over to
Speaker 1: the farm and helping out with the stud the stud horse,
Speaker 1: I think that might get you institutionalized. They might be
Speaker 1: doing a McMurphy on there, McMurray on you there. It's
Speaker 1: at the end because you're just a little too unhinged.
Speaker 1: But the one thing that I really love about this,
Speaker 1: and we talk about the other characters, is I really
Speaker 1: love the Betty character. And that was the thing that
Speaker 1: really I absolutely connected to in this film. I said, Wow,
Speaker 1: I'm like, here's a character who she's a woman who
Speaker 1: has sexual agency, who's in a wheelchair, and it doesn't
Speaker 1: face him at all. He's just like, big deal, Like
Speaker 1: she's in a wheelchair. And other people comment about the
Speaker 1: fact that she's in a wheelchair as a handicap, but
Speaker 1: she does not allow that and those expectations to stop
Speaker 1: what she wants to do. And I was like that,
Speaker 1: I think is one of the rare things where it's like, oh,
Speaker 1: you pitied, it's so sad. There's always this pity for
Speaker 1: the disabled character, and not in this movie, like she's
Speaker 1: treated just any other normal quote unquote, and I'm using
Speaker 1: her quotes normal person, which which I thought that was
Speaker 1: rather bold and interesting given the time. I don't think
Speaker 1: anyone's doing that. Then.
Speaker 12: Oh my god, I love Betty that much Marisa Coughlin
Speaker 12: or Marissa Coughlin I could be doing.
Speaker 7: She's dynamite here. I loved her performance so much.
Speaker 12: I love her weird little sort of beavisy kit like giggle,
Speaker 12: like she got this little stouter giggle like that. But
Speaker 12: she's as unhinged in some ways as Gored. After he
Speaker 12: first meets Betty and she, oh, yeah, he was my
Speaker 12: number and he's selling his like harl William's character is,
Speaker 12: Oh my god, it's so weird. I asked to girl out.
Speaker 7: She said yes, and he's about to but he's like, yeah,
Speaker 7: it is weird. Her likes don't work or something.
Speaker 12: But then that's dropped like it's not really, it's like, okay,
Speaker 12: cool whatever, Like it's not. It's a non issue, which
Speaker 12: is super refreshing.
Speaker 7: It's not.
Speaker 12: It's not made into any sort of like after school
Speaker 12: special kind of vibes.
Speaker 7: And another thing other than like a slur that Jim
Speaker 7: for Torm's character yells at Freddy and Harlan Williams outside,
Speaker 7: there's no like homophobia. There's no.
Speaker 12: And this era was rife with gay jokes and and
Speaker 12: also a lot of sexism, and neither one. Now the women,
Speaker 12: the women, Julie Hagerty's kind of she blazes her bother man,
Speaker 12: I'm out, I'm gonna get with Shack, and Betty's just,
Speaker 12: oh my god, my favorite. And the way Coughlin delivers
Speaker 12: this line nails me. It just kills me, because like
Speaker 12: they have their reunion and he's given her jewels and
Speaker 12: she's doing that big teary eyed where's I don't want
Speaker 12: your jewels?
Speaker 7: And you think she's gonna say, I just want your love,
Speaker 7: and she's like, I just want to suck a cock.
Speaker 1: That's what I love about that. It's no good.
Speaker 2: I love that she just wants to suck his cock,
Speaker 2: wants to have her legs beaten with a bamboo pole,
Speaker 2: And I also love his response to that, like he
Speaker 2: does indulge her fetish both both times we see them together.
Speaker 2: In early part of the film, he's beating her life eggs.
Speaker 2: He screws up and hits her in the face at
Speaker 2: one point, but once he understands that, he's like, okay,
Speaker 2: and then even like offers up his knee to be
Speaker 2: hit and everything, but the whole thing of her just
Speaker 2: one suck his cock, and he's just like, well, can
Speaker 2: we just go out for dinner? Like it's not that
Speaker 2: you know, Peter Venkman, when Dana's coming on to me,
Speaker 2: he's like, oh all right, well no, no, no, I
Speaker 2: shouldn't like because you know Venkman wants to hit that
Speaker 2: even though Dana's not in her right mind. But Gord
Speaker 2: is very just like, oh, no, I actually want to
Speaker 2: go out on a date with you, Like we've had
Speaker 2: two dates. Neither one of our dates because both times
Speaker 2: you end up sucking my cock. And it's like he
Speaker 2: actually wants to take her to a fancy restaurant, sir,
Speaker 2: this is a fancy restaurant.
Speaker 1: And that's what I also liked about it was that's
Speaker 1: the thing he's uncomfortable about. It's just like that she
Speaker 1: has his agency, and at first he's kind of like,
Speaker 1: I don't know how to deal with that. Aren't we
Speaker 1: supposed to go to dinner and hold.
Speaker 7: Hands and be romantic?
Speaker 1: Yeah?
Speaker 2: Right, Yeah, he's just that's a good Portland boy, you know,
Speaker 2: wants to with the Canadian name. He wants to hold hands. Yeah,
Speaker 2: doesn't want all that cocksucking all the time, even though
Speaker 2: she's voracious, even and she doesn't even question too much
Speaker 2: him having a umbilical core duct tape to his stomach.
Speaker 12: I love that she like arches her eyebrow and then
Speaker 12: after he explains that she's oh, I could work around that.
Speaker 12: She's like such a trooper. She loves at Falacio. She
Speaker 12: is down for the crime. And yeah, the ubilical cordus gross.
Speaker 12: There are some gags and this film that actually hit
Speaker 12: me more gross and raw now that I think they
Speaker 12: did when I was younger. I don't know if that's
Speaker 12: just because of getting older, or if it's just sobriety.
Speaker 12: It's probably the combination, and this one will only probably
Speaker 12: hit people funny if they've seen the movie, because describing
Speaker 12: it is not gonna do it justice. But after he
Speaker 12: meets with the great I loved Anthony Michael Holl in
Speaker 12: this film. By the way, he's a charactor. I always
Speaker 12: just loves seeing them. Anthony Michael Hall is great and
Speaker 12: he gives he's actually really good advice like that may
Speaker 12: be the most unrealistic thing in this film. Actually is
Speaker 12: a successful entrepreneur in Hollywood giving helpful advice to a
Speaker 12: somebody who's very green. But he's just You're like, the
Speaker 12: drawings are good, the story sucks. You need to work
Speaker 12: on the story. She need to get inside these characters.
Speaker 12: You'd inside these animals that you were drawing. And Tom
Speaker 12: Green seeing a dead deer carcass is an old, dead, horned,
Speaker 12: antlered animal cuts it guts right in the little street
Speaker 12: and where is it like a cape. He's like, like
Speaker 12: that make you and then he gets it by a
Speaker 12: semi and then the guy checks on him.
Speaker 7: He's covered in like old road killed blood and he.
Speaker 12: Just starts laughing maniacally, going greed, Tom greed, but he
Speaker 12: gets super unhinged in the way he does that.
Speaker 7: He does it so well.
Speaker 12: It always makes me laugh, like he's just so good
Speaker 12: at committing to just the intensity these intensities, he's just
Speaker 12: it's but he's on.
Speaker 7: He just added out it always tickles my funny bone.
Speaker 1: Those notes that he gives him about the X Ray
Speaker 1: cant Animation show feels like a meta commentary on the
Speaker 1: film itself. It feels exactly like, you've got this idea,
Speaker 1: but it doesn't quite work and all this. So he
Speaker 1: it's almost like he's explaining why the movie is the
Speaker 1: way it is. To a certain it's interesting. But I
Speaker 1: also thought when he puts the the animal carcass on
Speaker 1: and does the dance, I was like, I never knew
Speaker 1: that this was an inspiration for Midsummer If.
Speaker 12: Rip Torn's role in this film, if his performance inspired
Speaker 12: him being cast for Dodgeball, because not about three years later,
Speaker 12: and I feel like there's a similar dynamic.
Speaker 2: Yeah, that's the old man kind of thing. Yeah, you
Speaker 2: can dodge a wrench, you can dodge a ball.
Speaker 12: To your point, Mike, this was in that mid period
Speaker 12: between like Larry Sanders and the first minute Black and
Speaker 12: then later on mid of Black two and then Dodgeball.
Speaker 12: Because definitely Dodgeball really further amped up the You know,
Speaker 12: I won't call it a comeback.
Speaker 7: Because he's been there for years, but definitely the more
Speaker 7: like newer generation awareness of return. But yeah, oh god,
Speaker 7: it's someone.
Speaker 2: Talking about this movie being a parody of other quote
Speaker 2: unquote gross out comedies. I mean, obviously he's going to
Speaker 2: go farther than anybody ever has before, just because he's
Speaker 2: one making a point about stuff, and two he's Tom Green.
Speaker 2: So like the whole thing with the roadkill, from what
Speaker 2: I understand, that's where the line and the M and
Speaker 2: M song about humping a dead moose came from, and
Speaker 2: that was part of his show. It's amazing to hear
Speaker 2: him talk about or to see some of these clips
Speaker 2: from his show and realize that so many of the
Speaker 2: things that he's doing in this movie are basically like
Speaker 2: riffs on the show, or references to things that were
Speaker 2: on the show, or even references just the things in
Speaker 2: real life. You talked about in the commentary about how
Speaker 2: he had a friend who would talk about business, and
Speaker 2: you know, you you buy the stocks when they're when
Speaker 2: they're really low, and then you sell them when they're
Speaker 2: when they're high, and you buy them low and then
Speaker 2: you sell them when they're high and you're just doing
Speaker 2: that thing. And he also I guess they did the
Speaker 2: whole thing with the phone with the tape recorder and
Speaker 2: then you know, yelling like you know, you look at
Speaker 2: your desk, you're fucking fired, like all that stuff. It's
Speaker 2: just it's all like I don't want to say recycling,
Speaker 2: but it's just like, Okay, well, these are good bits
Speaker 2: and we're going to pull them all together in this
Speaker 2: this film.
Speaker 1: That was the thing also that I liked about the
Speaker 1: Tom Green documentary was some of those scenes that are
Speaker 1: in that documentary. He doesn't connect them one to one
Speaker 1: that way. But after seeing because I watched Freddy Got
Speaker 1: Fingers and then so the documentary watch it again, I
Speaker 1: was like, as you were saying, I'm like, oh, this
Speaker 1: is just him doing a fictionalized version of this instead
Speaker 1: of a man on the street version of this.
Speaker 12: One of the flaws of this film, and it's just
Speaker 12: time back to how the story aspects of the film
Speaker 12: are obviously very loose. That's fine, but there are parts
Speaker 12: that full flat because in the film will do a
Speaker 12: little traditional film moment, but then there's like bits and
Speaker 12: there's to me, a disharmony with it that doesn't feel
Speaker 12: organically part of what he's doing.
Speaker 7: There are parts of it that do, and those are
Speaker 7: the parts that work really well, but then there are
Speaker 7: other parts that just don't.
Speaker 12: It's like what those thinkings isn't like the other kind
Speaker 12: of thing. And that's why I was like, I almost
Speaker 12: wonder if this would have just worked better if take
Speaker 12: away a lot of that sheen and studio control and
Speaker 12: just make your own sheen and delude Tom, just make
Speaker 12: it super diy, but with the same caz.
Speaker 7: I think that'd be like an interesting flavor.
Speaker 12: Is still like, we still have some Hollywood elements, but
Speaker 12: then the rest of this is just just like souped nuts.
Speaker 2: But what were you what was the hot the gross
Speaker 2: out bits?
Speaker 9: You know?
Speaker 2: I was talking about how if this is a parody
Speaker 2: of other gross out comedies, he's going to amp up
Speaker 2: the gross out bits as much as much as he
Speaker 2: possibly can, so things like the dead deer, things like
Speaker 2: the birthing scene, which rewatching this again, I was like, yeah,
Speaker 2: I can kind of see why people thought this was objectionable,
Speaker 2: but I just found it very funny. I especially like
Speaker 2: the whole moment where he's got his shoes literally screwed
Speaker 2: to the floor so he can grab the baby ahull
Speaker 2: way back on the umbellical cord and like it. Like
Speaker 2: you said, Rob, it's like a living cartoon that he's
Speaker 2: doing with this, and you know, and then he ends
Speaker 2: up saving that baby. Why is nobody applauding him for that?
Speaker 1: Come on, that's right. You got a problem with heroes
Speaker 1: around here.
Speaker 2: In my mind, I conflated the elephant jacking off with
Speaker 2: the horse shacking off, and Eat walks in the commentary
Speaker 2: about jacking off a horse, and I'm like, can you
Speaker 2: consider it jacking off a horse if there's no completion,
Speaker 2: because for me, it was just molesting a horse rather
Speaker 2: than jacking off a horse.
Speaker 12: Yeah, get it right, Tom Green, you liar. He really
Speaker 12: just grabs the horse as willy And it's.
Speaker 7: Like, oh, well about a farm guy working on a farm,
Speaker 7: which I'm fine with. I don't want to see or
Speaker 7: I don't want to see any animal. It was bad
Speaker 7: enough we saw what.
Speaker 12: We did here.
Speaker 2: Just the drippiness of the horse cock was really I
Speaker 2: was just like wow. And he talks about that a
Speaker 2: little bit on the commentary. He's just like, I don't
Speaker 2: know what that liquid is or it might have been
Speaker 2: in the documentary where he's talking about the liquid. I
Speaker 2: think he's actually talking to our guest on this episode,
Speaker 2: the producer, one of the producers. So it's like, yeah, no,
Speaker 2: I don't know where that liquid comes from either. No,
Speaker 2: that is in the commentary where he's like, my cock
Speaker 2: doesn't have liquid on it, and I was like, well,
Speaker 2: you do have pre com. So I think that might
Speaker 2: be the horse's pre com just kind of getting it
Speaker 2: ready kind of thing.
Speaker 1: The next we're going to decide exactly when is the
Speaker 1: moment that a premature ejaculation becomes a mature ejaculation. What
Speaker 1: are we talking about here? This is what we call foreshadowing.
Speaker 7: It's Chekoff's gun.
Speaker 1: He needed to pay off, he had to pay off.
Speaker 1: It's Chekhoff's gun. Literally, there you go.
Speaker 2: Well, and again, you know, it's the miracle of life,
Speaker 2: which we have with the baby scene. We also have
Speaker 2: the breathing and it really all speaks to the whole
Speaker 2: power of power of fathers and sons, you know, which
Speaker 2: is through this and especially when it comes to the
Speaker 2: whole idea of Freddy getting fingered. It's very capturing the
Speaker 2: freedman's in that way. In fact, I think that this
Speaker 2: is more arn't felt than capturing the Freedman's myself camp follow.
Speaker 12: That up, Mike, I will say, I like to they
Speaker 12: Tom Green had seen brov Checks a little bit and
Speaker 12: was inspired by the opening sequence in that film.
Speaker 7: That is a That film is a masterpiece.
Speaker 12: But the word I can't believe we got got away
Speaker 12: with it like in our rating, I don't. There's like
Speaker 12: different cuts. But he got a weigh with a lot
Speaker 12: and I'm just like, but the NPA is we don't want, we.
Speaker 7: Don't want kind of lingos. But we're fine with a horse,
Speaker 7: a real horse penis being.
Speaker 12: Hoisted up by a hand. Go me like that, but
Speaker 12: no kind of lingos and no, no, no human male genitals.
Speaker 12: A giant horse penis is perfectly fine. But no, don't
Speaker 12: you be given that little human adult willy in that picture.
Speaker 1: Now, I think part of it has to do with tone.
Speaker 1: It is so ridiculous. You can't you just can't take
Speaker 1: it serious. It can't take any of the thing really
Speaker 1: serious in here. And I agree with you on that
Speaker 1: that it's to its detriment as a standard narrative that
Speaker 1: you can't really take things serious. So it does have
Speaker 1: this kind of back and forth where you're like you
Speaker 1: could get into the narrative and then something pulls you out.
Speaker 1: So that's why I don't I think it works as
Speaker 1: a straight ahead film. It's almost like an art piece
Speaker 1: exp like we're trying to go, I go. This is
Speaker 1: a shnandalu. This is some sort of performance art piece
Speaker 1: more than it is a standard narrative film.
Speaker 7: Yeah, Tom Green as Karen Findley. The only thing missing
Speaker 7: is the can of yams. Yeah, that's great. That's a
Speaker 7: great way to approach it.
Speaker 12: Also a side note with the cartoon elements, did you
Speaker 12: guys feel like there was any sort of John Kay
Speaker 12: from Red and Stimpy sort of satire going on? Because
Speaker 12: when we see the cartoon come to action, which is
Speaker 12: by the way they'll look at my hoofs part is
Speaker 12: one of my favorite things, not just in this.
Speaker 7: Film, in life.
Speaker 12: If having a bad day, I get to say our
Speaker 12: ground going, you've got feet But was hilarious, but that
Speaker 12: his whole like Zebra People cartoon, like the violence in
Speaker 12: that and the father character. It felt to me so
Speaker 12: much like John Kay because John k always said there
Speaker 12: was ocular strangchin I grow fifties male father archetypes.
Speaker 7: And everything is like everything is just even things that.
Speaker 12: Are pretty are really close up really gnarly and nasty,
Speaker 12: and there's like weird hairs and all of that.
Speaker 7: I just I felt like it was very much like
Speaker 7: a John K kind of satire.
Speaker 1: Yeah, I could see Ren and stimpy. Yeah.
Speaker 2: Well yeah when he pulls him down the street and
Speaker 2: his teeth are grinding along and you just think of
Speaker 2: you think everyone Wren had that bad tooth and you
Speaker 2: get to see that close up of the mouth where
Speaker 2: it's just like the little stink lines coming off of things,
Speaker 2: and just yeah, how awful his mouth was. Yeah, I
Speaker 2: can definitely see that. I think was the animator I
Speaker 2: think was involved with Beavis and Butthead. But it didn't
Speaker 2: look like Beavis and Butthead did not have that same
Speaker 2: animation style, which I always appreciated. And I haven't watched
Speaker 2: the new Beavis and butt Head because apparently that's a thing,
Speaker 2: but I always appreciate it. Just how shitty the animation
Speaker 2: looked like kind of on purpose, you know, I mean,
Speaker 2: like just the faces and everything just were not right,
Speaker 2: you know, like, yeah, they you know Beavis had a
Speaker 2: really or sorry but had had a really weak chin,
Speaker 2: but like that chin. I mean you've seen, I'm sure
Speaker 2: we've all seen. This is what Beavis and butt Heead
Speaker 2: would look like in real life and that Nightmare fuel
Speaker 2: kind of like this is what Popeye would look like
Speaker 2: in real life, or here's what Homer Simpson would look
Speaker 2: like in real life, and you're just like, holy shit.
Speaker 2: Both of them, but especially Ren and Stimpy were great
Speaker 2: with bros out kind of stuff and just yeah, those
Speaker 2: close ups or I would love when they would do
Speaker 2: close ups and then you'd hear the fog horn.
Speaker 12: At least Viavis and butt Head. I can still enjoy
Speaker 12: it because Mike Judge isn't a creeper. But yeah, thanks
Speaker 12: John k.
Speaker 2: Oh, yeah yeah, that that John k documentary will turn
Speaker 2: your stomach.
Speaker 7: I had even see the documentary. I read the was
Speaker 7: it es choire?
Speaker 12: I read the article and that with heartbreaking on so
Speaker 12: many levels, and especially as I'm the age that those
Speaker 12: girls were like because I got into that show as
Speaker 12: a little kid actually and I.
Speaker 7: It was like nothing.
Speaker 8: Yeah.
Speaker 12: I hate when people are like, oh, this were in
Speaker 12: my childhood. Your childhood is still there, your Childhoo's fine.
Speaker 7: It's the past. It is the past.
Speaker 12: I say it feels tainted now, Yeah, because it does.
Speaker 12: They ever Billy West love Billy West. As far as
Speaker 12: I know, Billy West hasn't done anything on tours.
Speaker 2: I did see Pretty Got Fingered compared a lot to
Speaker 2: Dirty Work, which we just watched for the Chevy Chase podcast,
Speaker 2: because I think Chevy Chase is in it for like
Speaker 2: two seconds or something. Actually, I think he works on
Speaker 2: Who's the greatest insult comic of all? Don Rickles? I
Speaker 2: think he's Don Rickles's doctor. It didn't connect with Dirty
Speaker 2: Work at all, and I think that's one of those
Speaker 2: nostalgia things where if you grew up with it, you're
Speaker 2: probably still a big fan. But I didn't grow up
Speaker 2: with it, and I was like, eh, yeah, I do
Speaker 2: like Norm McDonald a lot, and he also has a
Speaker 2: lot of anti comedy. I just saw him telling a
Speaker 2: joke today where you know, he talked with his doctor
Speaker 2: and his doctor said, if you don't quit eating like this,
Speaker 2: you're going to have a heart attack or a stroke.
Speaker 2: And the person said, I thought you were setting up
Speaker 2: for a joke. He goes, no, my doctor's not a comedian.
Speaker 7: I am, Oh my god. I missed that man so much.
Speaker 12: And the best thing the Bob Saggett roast Norm McDonald's
Speaker 12: I know this isn't a side, but it must be spoken.
Speaker 12: One of the other comedians tries to best him and
Speaker 12: be like listening to Norm McDonald do comedies like watching
Speaker 12: Henry fond of pick blueberries and Nor McDonald just without
Speaker 12: this to be Oh, I can't think of anything more
Speaker 12: that this audience would love to see than him under
Speaker 12: flip Love.
Speaker 2: We have a lot of well wishers here tonight, and
Speaker 2: a lot of them would like to throw you down
Speaker 2: one a well.
Speaker 3: They want to murder you in a well. It's a
Speaker 3: little harsh, but.
Speaker 2: Apparently they want to murder you in a well.
Speaker 1: It says you're on this card.
Speaker 7: That man's a JOm, that man is an ass. I
Speaker 7: miss I miss him so much.
Speaker 12: Also, I'm ashamed, but he said the greatest insult comic
Speaker 12: of all time, Mike my brain said, triumph.
Speaker 1: He's up there.
Speaker 2: He's definitely up there. Getting back to Betty real quick.
Speaker 2: The other thing that we should not forget is that
Speaker 2: she's the one that actually influences and inspires Gored to
Speaker 2: fulfill his dream because she fulfills her dream of having
Speaker 2: that rocket powered wheelchair, and you know, she gets on
Speaker 2: the news and everything. She's the one that really inspires
Speaker 2: him while he has his freak out serving more cheese sandwiches.
Speaker 2: And honestly, when I watched Laugh Out Loud or Last
Speaker 2: One Laughing, I had no memory of this whole cheese
Speaker 2: sandwich theme, and apparently that was also a theme on
Speaker 2: the show, and people would you know, he would always
Speaker 2: bring up cheese sandwiches. So I love that scene when
Speaker 2: he's working at the second cheese sandwich place, the actual
Speaker 2: like subway shop, and just piling on all the cheese
Speaker 2: onto that guy sandwich. That that really worked for me.
Speaker 2: There are a lot of moments in this movie that
Speaker 2: do work quite a bit for me. I mean, the
Speaker 2: sausage song is fantastic. It's interesting too that he doesn't
Speaker 2: seem to care about pacing. You would think that Gord
Speaker 2: coming back to Oregon would be the end of act one,
Speaker 2: but it happens like what fifteen minutes into this movie,
Speaker 2: So it's like so quick. He just like goes down,
Speaker 2: sees the horse keeps going, you know. And I know
Speaker 2: we'll talk about deleted scenes, and there were a lot
Speaker 2: of deleted scenes in that opening sequence, even to the
Speaker 2: point of towards the end of the movie having the
Speaker 2: person holding the sign saying when is this fucking movie
Speaker 2: going to end? It's like, yeah, we are definitely way
Speaker 2: past where the third act should have ended.
Speaker 1: As you were saying, she becomes the inspiration for him
Speaker 1: to complete his mission. Is his reaction when it doesn't
Speaker 1: work that he's don't you feel like a dummy, and
Speaker 1: she's no, because how can I expect to get it
Speaker 1: on the first time? And so I really love that
Speaker 1: interplay of attitudes where it's no, it has to be
Speaker 1: easy and simple, otherwise I'm just going to collapse. I'm
Speaker 1: not gonna be able to do anything, or it's now
Speaker 1: I'll just I'll just keep iterating until I get it.
Speaker 1: And so I love how they represent two different ideas
Speaker 1: of the creative end in that way, because I dealt
Speaker 1: with people on both sides who are like, oh, I'm
Speaker 1: just fucking terrible. I got rejected by all these agents,
Speaker 1: nobody wants to hire me, and it's oh, I'm done.
Speaker 1: And it's really because it is the tenacity of the
Speaker 1: cockroaches that run the joint and is to have to say.
Speaker 7: He actually has two different people give him actually really.
Speaker 12: Sound and vibe and not like sound in Hollywood movie advise,
Speaker 12: keep doing it.
Speaker 7: You have to keep testing it.
Speaker 12: And even like Anthony Michael Halls were like, yeah, actually
Speaker 12: your art's good, just there's no story, Like it's animation.
Speaker 7: We have to tell a story. You gotta work on
Speaker 7: the story. And it's okay. The Gord's got like some
Speaker 7: good people in his life. I don't know whether or
Speaker 7: not he deserves them. He literally falsely accuses his father
Speaker 7: of molesting his adult aged brother, who is then he's
Speaker 7: put in a in a home. But it's it's it's
Speaker 7: not funny, but it's funny.
Speaker 12: Frank Cron asked, Freddy's like with these kids watching like
Speaker 12: Medical future.
Speaker 2: Watching the Texas Chainsaw massacre. Oh, you're right, No, it
Speaker 2: was the medical footage that he was watching when they
Speaker 2: came to take him away. He was watching Tom Green's
Speaker 2: actual operation footage. And you had Tom Green's actual like
Speaker 2: high school photo next to the television. Yeah, and really
Speaker 2: thinking about it because Green, the thing about that documentary
Speaker 2: that really shines through is just his real life tenacity,
Speaker 2: Like he is the opposite of Gord when it comes
Speaker 2: to this, Like he you know, it's like John Payce's
Speaker 2: Crime Wave. He came from the North End. He had
Speaker 2: a dream, you know, he has this dream of I
Speaker 2: want to have my television show. And everything he did
Speaker 2: in his entire life was to get this dream fulfilled.
Speaker 2: You know, he took a lot of video classes when
Speaker 2: he's in high school. He's you know, started to work
Speaker 2: on public access. He started his public access show. It
Speaker 2: got so popular that he moved from you know, one
Speaker 2: network to like I think it was much Much Music
Speaker 2: or something in Canada, and then it gets to go
Speaker 2: to New York and.
Speaker 1: Make his pitch.
Speaker 2: It gets picked up. He has his own talk show
Speaker 2: now on like MTV, And it's just amazing to see
Speaker 2: how hard he worked to do that and to perfect
Speaker 2: these things, and how he would keep what worked and
Speaker 2: then worked on what didn't work. And you know, the
Speaker 2: things like his co host or the guy who sat
Speaker 2: behind him in the window and would laugh at things
Speaker 2: like those worked for him.
Speaker 1: So he just keeps doing it.
Speaker 2: He could have dumped those guys that he grew up
Speaker 2: with and been like no, no, give me, like an
Speaker 2: Andy Richter or something, but no, he's stays loyal to
Speaker 2: his friends. And that was The really nice thing too
Speaker 2: about that documentary was here's all of his friends from
Speaker 2: fucking high school are still friends with him.
Speaker 7: That tells through everything.
Speaker 3: And Glenn.
Speaker 12: I can't even imagine him not having Glenn. I care
Speaker 12: about Glenn's last name, but Glenn. Glenn's like his co
Speaker 12: on the show. And Glenn's always kind of like this,
Speaker 12: kind of like the straight guy to Tom's Shenanigans and
Speaker 12: and just and poor Glenn. There was this whole thing
Speaker 12: where Tom kept trying to get Glenn to like sensually
Speaker 12: kisses and he can try to set up the mood.
Speaker 7: I love that. And also public access represent as somebody
Speaker 7: who I.
Speaker 12: Learned all my video my core video skills at a
Speaker 12: bublic access station. I worked at a public access station.
Speaker 12: And people don't get public access enough credit.
Speaker 7: And that's the thing. That's what it's there for, for
Speaker 7: people to learn these skills to get their art out there.
Speaker 12: That's a beautiful thing. And I just love that Tom
Speaker 12: Green used that, especially because not everybody. Most people don't
Speaker 12: have as cheaper as the technology gets. If you're working class,
Speaker 12: that technology isn't that chy. It's not if you're paying,
Speaker 12: if you're living paycheck to paycheck. You can't just be like,
Speaker 12: oh yeah, let me go spend several hundred bucks on
Speaker 12: a camera and then more more on an editor and
Speaker 12: stuff like that. So he just us everything that he could.
Speaker 12: He's a great working class hero. And you know what,
Speaker 12: even if somebody hates this film, I don't think you
Speaker 12: could say he sold out. Selling out would have probably
Speaker 12: been in his financial favor at this point because he
Speaker 12: was white hot from.
Speaker 7: All that MTV and all doing What was that movie
Speaker 7: Road Trip, which I know I saw. I can't remember
Speaker 7: a thing of did your brother the Tom Greene being
Speaker 7: in it? I don't remember the movie. I know for
Speaker 7: a fact I watched it. It was so much. I
Speaker 7: don't know if it was just like a nothing burger
Speaker 7: of a comedy where it just nothing suck.
Speaker 2: It's funny. I don't remember anything except for him putting
Speaker 2: the mice in his mouth. And I really remember another
Speaker 2: Trip movie way better, which is Euro Trip. I thought
Speaker 2: that that was great, But yeah, I don't remember road
Speaker 2: Trip at all either.
Speaker 1: I love the scene where he's with the construction foreman,
Speaker 1: whether it's like gonna do stuff at the house and
Speaker 1: they gave me a million dollars and I did this,
Speaker 1: and I did this again. It's this meta commentary on
Speaker 1: the fact that they gave me this money to make
Speaker 1: something they don't know what they're doing, and.
Speaker 2: I spent it on stupid shit, like seven hundred thousand
Speaker 2: dollars for a fucking helicopter rental.
Speaker 1: It's just hilarious to me because it almost feels like
Speaker 1: a commentary on the actual movie again that you're watching,
Speaker 1: because he's almost like amazed that they gave him the money,
Speaker 1: much the way that I'm sure Tom Green's I'm amazed
Speaker 1: they gave me this money to just do this.
Speaker 2: That scene with Anthony Michael Hall. You know, we always
Speaker 2: talk about the end of Bad Lieutenant Port of Call
Speaker 2: in New Orleans, where it's just like this good thing
Speaker 2: happens and this one and after a while you're just like,
Speaker 2: this is way too much. This is obviously satire. And
Speaker 2: him there with Anthony Michael Hall, he's like, I don't know,
Speaker 2: a million dollars. He's like, oh sure, yeah, and like
Speaker 2: write some a check for a million dollars and it
Speaker 2: gets go to the old Gray Bank, where not only
Speaker 2: I imagine Freddy works there, but also the Harley Williams
Speaker 2: character works there. As well, and he's just like, you know, yeah,
Speaker 2: here's my million dollar check, you know, like cash this
Speaker 2: check for me. And I'm like, you can't just cash
Speaker 2: a million dollar check, Gord. You know, it's it's a
Speaker 2: whole other thing. No matter how much you hump on
Speaker 2: Asian customers.
Speaker 7: Stop humping mister Lee. Oh, I know, Anthony Bikerl. Hall
Speaker 7: excels it so well. I'm wondering because I saw a
Speaker 7: little clip online of Green.
Speaker 12: I guess Howie Bendel has, of course, having Mendel's a
Speaker 12: podcast and and Tom Green was on a little clip
Speaker 12: I saw was how he Bendell like still be like
Speaker 12: sore because he auditioned for a part in this movie
Speaker 12: and he obviously didn't get it. But in the in
Speaker 12: the clip I saw, they didn't say which character, and
Speaker 12: I'm thinking, I'm thinking it had to have been the
Speaker 12: Anthony Michael Hall.
Speaker 7: Because Mendel's too young for the dad.
Speaker 12: But he's like a little bit older than Tom Green,
Speaker 12: so him being Harlem Williams wouldn't make sense.
Speaker 7: He's definitely not gonna be Freddy.
Speaker 2: No, it seems like that would a word. I mean,
Speaker 2: there's a few roles that we'll talk about after the
Speaker 2: jump that are completely on the cutting room floor. Could
Speaker 2: have been one of those. But yeah, no, I don't.
Speaker 2: I think him as the radioactive President probably would have
Speaker 2: made a lot of sense.
Speaker 7: He's fine, Patry Mindell's fine. He needs to get over it.
Speaker 12: Anthony Michael Hall is great and I love I love
Speaker 12: him in this We get the Drew Barrymore cameo that
Speaker 12: was a little I don't know if it's because we
Speaker 12: know what we know now, that felt a little okay, Tom,
Speaker 12: But I don't know. Heck, if I was him and
Speaker 12: engaged to Drew Barrymore, I probably would have done the
Speaker 12: same thing.
Speaker 1: But that scene with Drew Barrymore where he comes in
Speaker 1: and he's I'm looking for the person that he's got
Speaker 1: to think like I'm statute of limitations is run out.
Speaker 1: But I'll admit that I've done things like that as
Speaker 1: a journalist, where I was like trying to track someone
Speaker 1: down and I'd be like looking for the guy, who's
Speaker 1: the guy and you just kind of walk through, Like
Speaker 1: if you act like you belong there, people won't stop you.
Speaker 1: You could just walk you just walk right into the scene.
Speaker 2: You can just point out the floor and go Japanese
Speaker 2: or whatever he does to the more security guard.
Speaker 1: Because I used to have to do that for my job.
Speaker 1: So I was like, right on, I've been there, I understand.
Speaker 7: Were you dressed like an old timey British body?
Speaker 1: No, sadly no.
Speaker 7: Also, I would be sobermiss if I didn't bring this
Speaker 7: up with you guys. The soundtrack in this film.
Speaker 12: That was the thing I remember the first time I
Speaker 12: watched this when I heard Problems by the Pistols come
Speaker 12: out immediately, and I.
Speaker 15: Was like, oh, hell, yes, now we're talking like this
Speaker 15: ain't no crazy Town or they would have played in
Speaker 15: this era. And there are a few oh in the Ramones,
Speaker 15: Yeah you have the Ramones, the Dead Kennedy's Agent Orange, Yeah,
Speaker 15: we got Agent or I, and there are a few choices.
Speaker 7: I was like, oh, God, of course we're getting. But
Speaker 7: as all the soundtrack's really good, we get the New
Speaker 7: York Dolls.
Speaker 2: Yeah, we'll definitely talk about a song that he tried
Speaker 2: to get for that section with the New York Dolls,
Speaker 2: but we'll save that one for after the jump. The
Speaker 2: one thing that he said in the commentary that I
Speaker 2: really liked was there's a moment I think where Harlan
Speaker 2: Williams says you can't do that or something. He like
Speaker 2: tells Gord like that that everything is over and like
Speaker 2: it's it's it's done, and then Green was going to
Speaker 2: roll the credits at that moment and then just like
Speaker 2: stop the credits and be like, no, no, it's not over.
Speaker 2: You know, nothing is over kind of thing. Nothing is
Speaker 2: over till we say it is. And I kind of
Speaker 2: I almost wish he would have played with the form
Speaker 2: a little more because he's already doing like this kind
Speaker 2: of anti comedy thing and making fun of these other movies.
Speaker 2: But I feel like he could have gone even farther.
Speaker 15: With some of this.
Speaker 1: I think part of the reason why it works is
Speaker 1: that he's referencing a concept, but not an idea itself.
Speaker 1: And what I mean by that is is that this
Speaker 1: isn't the scary movie franchise where it's like, oh, that's
Speaker 1: a reference to this movie and this person stressed up
Speaker 1: like that. It's it's more of a tone concept of
Speaker 1: the gross out films and the fairly movies and all
Speaker 1: that stuff, and he's just taking the piss out of
Speaker 1: it by just jacking it up through the fucking ceiling
Speaker 1: and speaking of jacking things up through the fucking ceiling,
Speaker 1: the whole house thing. So this is where a little
Speaker 1: bit of classic, classic old school comedy comes in with
Speaker 1: his Buster Keaton reference.
Speaker 2: Yeah, what an amazing visual of the house on that.
Speaker 2: It's not a stilt, I mean it's one. It's a monopod.
Speaker 2: You know, it's just balanced on there as he's tearing
Speaker 2: ass through obble. You know, definitely not It was booked
Speaker 2: like just a big bitch that they dug and put
Speaker 2: a bunch of people in burkas.
Speaker 12: Oh please, you know Bronson Cannon was just like twenty
Speaker 12: feet away from I was, oh gods, yeah that and
Speaker 12: you're right, that is like such a like yp Okay,
Speaker 12: now we have a bed Atbuster Keaton.
Speaker 7: They're a little bit of maybe like Hoping Crosby.
Speaker 2: Yeah, it's like a road movie.
Speaker 7: Yeah yeah, tiny bit there. But then there's like fake
Speaker 7: elephant semen.
Speaker 1: I wonder if there was a different title, because okay,
Speaker 1: the title is the line that they like gets gets attention.
Speaker 1: But the thing is it's like his dad really like
Speaker 1: never really brings it up again after they have their
Speaker 1: kind of blowout, and you would think that calling someone
Speaker 1: a pedophile an ancestual pedophile would just be like, all right,
Speaker 1: I'm done with you. Fuck you. I never want to
Speaker 1: talk to you again. And in the end, it's after
Speaker 1: he's got the show and he did, they go on
Speaker 1: the pack stand adventure. Dad's proud, so the goal is met,
Speaker 1: so it's like never really brought up again, and it's like, oh,
Speaker 1: everything's fine. So I guess maybe that's just a joke
Speaker 1: on comedies that you could do like the worst shit
Speaker 1: the people, and as long as everything happens in the end,
Speaker 1: it's happy. Everything's fucking forgiven.
Speaker 2: Really, Yeah, And even that poor little kid that walks
Speaker 2: into the propeller, you know, you do get to hear
Speaker 2: him go, I'm okay.
Speaker 7: The ad R was a maidic.
Speaker 12: It was that's It's frozen scream, which Eric, if you
Speaker 12: guys have seen this, this horror gem, I just recently
Speaker 12: saw Member.
Speaker 7: So I'm the ADR and nat is a wonder. Call
Speaker 7: it that. It's a wonder.
Speaker 2: And there you have the father and son relationship too,
Speaker 2: because we keep seeing this kid just get inadvertently abused
Speaker 2: by father.
Speaker 12: That poor kid, like when I have the dietar and
Speaker 12: he's can I happen.
Speaker 7: Just like a cake daddy like that your birthday.
Speaker 12: Of course, it's like this, poor kid and holy shit, okay,
Speaker 12: the same Ripertory does this like weird little Lord Fonterroy
Speaker 12: accent at the dinner table about the rice.
Speaker 8: Ohoo, little Lord Fontleroy is tell me because there's too
Speaker 8: much roast beef in it.
Speaker 1: This is boring.
Speaker 3: I'm eating a chicken scent with Oh you're not. Oh shit,
Speaker 3: this is crazy. I'm a twenty eight year old man.
Speaker 3: I should be able to eat a chicken sandwich if
Speaker 3: I want.
Speaker 7: He's twenty eight years old and he can eat a
Speaker 7: chicken sandwich.
Speaker 1: Very impressive.
Speaker 5: Mike Fitzgiven's son is a nuclear physicist.
Speaker 3: And my son can eat it. No, you can either
Speaker 3: eat that goddamn roast beef.
Speaker 1: Or you can go to bed. Why can I not
Speaker 1: eat a twenty.
Speaker 12: Man?
Speaker 2: I'm twenty eight years old.
Speaker 1: It's the over pronunciation of endings that is the thing
Speaker 1: that I like. Yeah, sandt.
Speaker 3: My belly again.
Speaker 7: So I cannot imagine anybody in this role other than
Speaker 7: rip Tourn. He's so perfect. It's like it was raping him.
Speaker 12: It really feels like That's why I was floored. May
Speaker 12: this the Jeffrey Jones and Gene Wilder.
Speaker 7: Is that true.
Speaker 2: I don't know. It doesn't seem like it could be possible.
Speaker 12: Thank god they didn't put Jeffrey Jones in it, because
Speaker 12: but yeah, I mean, like it's bizarre just.
Speaker 7: The list of people.
Speaker 12: And I'm like this was written even if it wasn't
Speaker 12: intentionally written for rip Torn, there was some cosmic lattice
Speaker 12: work going on where it's Ripturn's role, like he's going
Speaker 12: to do this and he's going to own it.
Speaker 1: I can't even think of who could play this role.
Speaker 1: The only other way that you could go is I'm
Speaker 1: thinking of when Herzog was into Harmony Karn movies, like
Speaker 1: that would be the only way it would be, like
Speaker 1: you need someone like that.
Speaker 12: There is one person, ironically, I almost don't want to
Speaker 12: mention because I know he's in the deleted Saints, So
Speaker 12: I almost wonder if I should save this.
Speaker 7: But if we're bringing it now, I will say, if
Speaker 7: anybody has seen Joe Flaherty's Kirk Douglas impersonation Kirk, what
Speaker 7: on earth.
Speaker 3: Would you do with a child like this, I'll tell
Speaker 3: you what I'd do. I'd take her and butter Cross money.
Speaker 3: Then I'd give her a good log, hearty good.
Speaker 12: I'm a massive Joe Flaherty fan, but I'll save that
Speaker 12: for a deleted part, but I will say Joe Flaherty
Speaker 12: on Kirk Douglas energy could have come close.
Speaker 7: I really do think that, yeah, because he's.
Speaker 2: Kind of doing that a little bit in one crazy summer.
Speaker 2: If memory serves, Oh my.
Speaker 7: God, I love let me.
Speaker 1: I'd like to call him my friend. But I would
Speaker 1: be alart.
Speaker 12: Because Flaherty really could do that, just like he had
Speaker 12: Dad energy already, and he could do that just really
Speaker 12: hyper funny, angry voice.
Speaker 7: I would Kirk would have been too young at this juncture.
Speaker 7: Job Odaker could do that.
Speaker 2: Now let's go ahead and we're going to take a break,
Speaker 2: and we'll be back with an interview with producer Lauren
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Speaker 2: we start talking about Freddie got fingered, I'm so curious,
Speaker 2: how did you get your start in the business, because
Speaker 2: I know that you were a casting director for a while,
Speaker 2: and then did you do acting as well?
Speaker 1: Now?
Speaker 13: I went to Carnegie Mellon in Pittsburgh after high school,
Speaker 13: and I really always wanted to be an actress. I thought, Hey,
Speaker 13: my big face should be up there. And then when
Speaker 13: I was applying to audition there, I thought, everyone, all
Speaker 13: women actually are going to be auditioning to be act
Speaker 13: So I'm going to say I want to be a director,
Speaker 13: and somehow I'll trick them and they'll let me in.
Speaker 7: And I did.
Speaker 13: I got in as a director. So then I started
Speaker 13: seeing another side of things, not just acting. And after
Speaker 13: a graduation, I moved to Massachusetts and I worked with
Speaker 13: the American division of the Royal Shakespeare Company and I
Speaker 13: did some directing there, and then I came to Hollywood,
Speaker 13: and I you didn't try to figure it all out,
Speaker 13: you know, It's like there's no rules there. So I
Speaker 13: just thought casting seemed like a good way in, and
Speaker 13: then I figured it out from there. I mean, my
Speaker 13: first movie was Mermaids and it was my sister who
Speaker 13: sent me the book and I went to a casting
Speaker 13: associate of mine, Wale Nsita at the time, because she
Speaker 13: knew everybody, everybody famous, and I thought, oh, I'll find
Speaker 13: a writer and she'll find a star and we'll make movies.
Speaker 13: And then we did. It worked out good. So that's
Speaker 13: how honestly, you know, my very first job was selling
Speaker 13: cars out in la I had no idea what was what.
Speaker 13: I just moved out and was like, oh, and I
Speaker 13: didn't have a car. So I thought, oh, you know what,
Speaker 13: I'm going to get a job selling cars, nice ones,
Speaker 13: and I'll sell them to famous Hollywood people and they'll
Speaker 13: like me and give me a job. And it almost
Speaker 13: worked like that. But I walked down to a place
Speaker 13: called Room and BMW and I said I'm here to
Speaker 13: sell cars, and they were just like, it's the early eighties.
Speaker 13: Women don't sell cars. And I never thought about that anyway.
Speaker 13: I persevered, got a gig there, sold a car to
Speaker 13: an agent who said, oh, come work for me, and
Speaker 13: off we went.
Speaker 2: It was the eighties and then into the nineties. Did
Speaker 2: you run into a lot of sexism in your different positions.
Speaker 13: Oh always, it was yeah, always. Do you know what
Speaker 13: was weird?
Speaker 9: Is that?
Speaker 13: Or maybe not weird? Well, it was just those sexists
Speaker 13: from the very very beginning. Because when Walie Nasda and
Speaker 13: I started producing, this is before I became a studio
Speaker 13: executive that went off with another production company to make Freddy,
Speaker 13: there was only like Deborah Hill and there was only
Speaker 13: one other producer's team, and so people could not figure
Speaker 13: it out. I remember when we started finding writers and
Speaker 13: you know, selling scripts and stuff. It was Mike Ovitz
Speaker 13: at CIA called Wally and I in and said, who
Speaker 13: are you guys? How are you doing things without these
Speaker 13: scripts coming over my transom. He used that word and
Speaker 13: I thought, that's a curious word. It was interesting. So
Speaker 13: when that me Too movement started, it was so shocking
Speaker 13: as a woman, I think, to be in Hollywood at
Speaker 13: that time and see, we know all this stuff. You
Speaker 13: know what I mean to sexism or what's going on
Speaker 13: to the power curve, or we just know what goes on.
Speaker 13: We know we're not a part of it. We know
Speaker 13: that there's another group. But when it came forth, it
Speaker 13: was like the inner structure of Hollywood kind of fell apart.
Speaker 1: It was.
Speaker 13: It was shocking. Actually, it was shocking to a lot
Speaker 13: of women. We were just like, okay, wait now they
Speaker 13: can see what's going on. This is really a wild time. Yeah.
Speaker 13: So there's that.
Speaker 2: You worked on a huge variety of films over the years,
Speaker 2: and I'm so curious. What were some of the favorite
Speaker 2: ones that you worked on. Oh.
Speaker 13: I liked the very first one, Mermaids. I love that
Speaker 13: because it was our first foray into making a movie,
Speaker 13: and you know, we discovered Christina Ricci. It was just
Speaker 13: a blast, and working with Cher was really remarkable, and
Speaker 13: it was Wally and I leading the way in a
Speaker 13: creative way, and we didn't have any judgment about what
Speaker 13: we were doing, so we felt very free to just
Speaker 13: you know, go with a vision. I mean it was
Speaker 13: difficult because we went through a lot of directors, a
Speaker 13: couple of stars, but you know, we found our way. Anyway.
Speaker 13: I love that. I loved doing Unstrung Heroes with Diane Keaton.
Speaker 13: She was really amazing, really unbelievably clever and creative and
Speaker 13: you know she uh, she was just great. I mean
Speaker 13: she really made a Valentine to mothers. I think the
Speaker 13: Armstrong Heroes what else. I love working with me more.
Speaker 13: I did three movies with her. I had just a
Speaker 13: blast in my life. Anyway, Freddy got fingered was a
Speaker 13: real unusual turn of events. I was a studio exec
Speaker 13: at Hollywood Pictures and I believe that. Well, first of all,
Speaker 13: Tom Green was the rage in the nineteen nineties. I
Speaker 13: mean he was just the shock and gross out king
Speaker 13: of MTV, and all the studios of that time really
Speaker 13: wanted to harness like the audience of MTV in a
Speaker 13: more significant way. So he was like the ironic punk
Speaker 13: gross and everybody out. I remember him as like the
Speaker 13: dude who was who had a microphone and dog poop
Speaker 13: at the end of it interviewing people and I've this
Speaker 13: is disgusting, and he had very intriguing So anyway, it
Speaker 13: was developed there wanted to turnaround from Disney. I think
Speaker 13: it was Joe Roth who who developed it, and it
Speaker 13: came by the way of Joe's good friend Larry Bresner
Speaker 13: at MBST. And Larry has since passed away, but he
Speaker 13: was the guy who said, what do you think of
Speaker 13: Tom Green? And we were excited. Everybody wanted this project.
Speaker 13: By the way, we were excited that we had the
Speaker 13: ability to get it because he was such a huge star,
Speaker 13: and he was so we never met anyone like him,
Speaker 13: and he was such a creative force and such a
Speaker 13: frightening guy. I have to say in a way that
Speaker 13: he basically made everyone feel super uncomfortable. So it was
Speaker 13: a real interesting balance of knowing that this is a
Speaker 13: really creative guy feeling uncomfortable, wanting to as a producer
Speaker 13: facilitate and support his vision, which was very difficult. What
Speaker 13: was so difficult about it, Well, he kept going further
Speaker 13: and further and further. I mean his idea was that
Speaker 13: he just I just want to see how far I
Speaker 13: can go? Because it was like Tom Green's greatest hits,
Speaker 13: How bizarre can I be? How wild can I be?
Speaker 13: It wasn't like political or it was just his stuff,
Speaker 13: his weird, gross out, disgusting stuff. Watching it again now
Speaker 13: I look back and think what. Quite frankly, I think,
Speaker 13: how in the world did this come into being? How
Speaker 13: did Fox give us the money? I remember when we
Speaker 13: were working on there were two issues that we were
Speaker 13: working with. One was, okay, we have this crazy script
Speaker 13: that was not quite developed yet. We worked on developing it.
Speaker 13: But these crazy stirring of events and we thought, well,
Speaker 13: who's going to direct this? So we met with a
Speaker 13: lot of directors. There was a lot of interest, but
Speaker 13: Tom always really knew visually what he wanted to do.
Speaker 7: So you have to respect that.
Speaker 13: You have to say, okay, he sees it like this,
Speaker 13: you know, the point of view is like this, the
Speaker 13: actors are going to be like that. And so he
Speaker 13: ended up directing it. Larry I decided that we were
Speaker 13: just going to give him the reins and see if
Speaker 13: we can control it at all. But it's interesting because
Speaker 13: I thought this is a very very low budget movie.
Speaker 13: I mean, if we get a couple of million bucks,
Speaker 13: let's go be wild and see what happens. And we
Speaker 13: got a lot of dough. I was stunned. I was
Speaker 13: just like, we're not going to Pakistan, I mean what.
Speaker 13: So anyway, it was that it was figuring out how
Speaker 13: to support his creative vision, be the go between between
Speaker 13: him and Fox and keeping reins on creatively what he
Speaker 13: wanted to do. It was very busy.
Speaker 1: Was he always on mostly?
Speaker 13: There was also mostly you know, and that was his shtick.
Speaker 7: He was his stick.
Speaker 13: The whole point of me was trying to figure out
Speaker 13: what wasn't that. What was interesting is that we used
Speaker 13: to run lines all the time and there were moments
Speaker 13: there that I could see who he was. And he
Speaker 13: also was with Drew Barrymore, and I thought that was
Speaker 13: a wild experience. Like, Okay, Drew, who's, you know, very
Speaker 13: grounded and has her roots in Hollywood for generations, and
Speaker 13: Tom Green, this kind of irascible Canadian. He was real
Speaker 13: around her, and his best friends were working with him,
Speaker 13: Sean and Derek Harvey, and he really trusted them, and
Speaker 13: they were in the movie and they were co writing
Speaker 13: and they were really supported to him.
Speaker 2: Yeah, you said you were kind of going back and
Speaker 2: forth between the production and Fox. I mean, was there
Speaker 2: any concerns by Fox or are they just like this
Speaker 2: is the biggest thing since sliced.
Speaker 1: Bread, Go Go Go.
Speaker 13: Well, it was also Regency who was the financier. I
Speaker 13: don't really know what their deal was with Fox, but
Speaker 13: it was arn On Milshawn who ran Regency, and he
Speaker 13: was very intrigued with the heat of this young comic.
Speaker 13: We all were, we were all under the Tom Green spell.
Speaker 1: Okay.
Speaker 13: It was also a bunch of let's say older people
Speaker 13: who didn't quite understand the MTV, you know what this
Speaker 13: gross out humor was, and we didn't want to stuff
Speaker 13: on his toes and you could see we didn't.
Speaker 1: I seem to.
Speaker 2: Remember there was a behind the scenes documentary that's on
Speaker 2: the DVD and there's at least one clip with you
Speaker 2: and it where it's the finer points of dealing with
Speaker 2: a erect horse.
Speaker 1: Oh my godness, How on earth did do you make
Speaker 1: it through this situation?
Speaker 13: I have to say that there were a lot of
Speaker 13: other crazy personal things going on in my life, which
Speaker 13: include rescuing Anne Hash from you know, institution and anyway
Speaker 13: in California. You know, I mean I was managing her,
Speaker 13: so I left that. I think it was the day
Speaker 13: after I was mostly I want to say, in shock,
Speaker 13: how did I get through it? I just got through it.
Speaker 13: I mean I was there in my trailer. I didn't
Speaker 13: go out and like witness physical attributes. But it was
Speaker 13: just another crazy day on the set with Tom Green.
Speaker 2: What were some of your either more shocking or favorite
Speaker 2: memories from the shoot.
Speaker 13: There was a really sweet moments with Tom and Julie
Speaker 13: Haggerty talking about why do you let him do this?
Speaker 13: And kind of the anger that Tom felt about his father.
Speaker 13: He would talk about that sometimes and that would come out.
Speaker 13: There was also a lot of stuff that was cut
Speaker 13: from the cheese factory and the cheese dipping and the
Speaker 13: Native American stuff. There was a lot of really touching
Speaker 13: but also bizarre stuff that was cut. But I liked
Speaker 13: being up in Canada. I loved the group of actors
Speaker 13: that we assembled. You know, yes, some good act was there.
Speaker 2: Yeah, I know that that's amazing. I know I know
Speaker 2: that other names were thrown around before Rip Torn came in,
Speaker 2: but I can't see anybody else playing that role.
Speaker 13: He was so bombastic. He was so I agree because
Speaker 13: he could be so bizarre and menacing and there it
Speaker 13: was just he was perfect. He was the perfect opposition
Speaker 13: to Tom.
Speaker 2: Yeah, he didn't my best going through all of the trailers,
Speaker 2: the behind the scenes, all of these things, trying to
Speaker 2: put together what this movie was. At some point, because
Speaker 2: you mentioned more at the cheese factory, Yeah, there's a
Speaker 2: shot right at the end, like in the outtakes at
Speaker 2: the end, where it's two people rising up out of
Speaker 2: a vat of cheese, and I don't know what the
Speaker 2: circumstances are around that at all.
Speaker 13: I think that was Stephen Tobolowski. I think you might
Speaker 13: have been cut from the whole movie, because there it
Speaker 13: was really weirdly coming of age story, if you can
Speaker 13: imagine about a kid who wanted to peddle his animated
Speaker 13: goods in Hollywood absurdly so trying to I mean, this
Speaker 13: is how many years ago do we do this? Twenty five?
Speaker 13: For a long time ago, I didn't go back and
Speaker 13: see I don't even remember seeing the outtakes of the
Speaker 13: interviews from the original release of the DVD or.
Speaker 2: Blu ray whatever.
Speaker 1: Well, I was curious, what was the premiere, Like.
Speaker 13: Boy, I don't even remember the premiere.
Speaker 7: How could that be?
Speaker 13: I don't remember it. Maybe I missed it. Sorry, I
Speaker 13: don't remember.
Speaker 2: I personally like this movie, and I see a lot
Speaker 2: of merit in it, but I know that at the
Speaker 2: time it was so lambasted and very wealthy, right one,
Speaker 2: A ton of razsies from what I understand.
Speaker 3: Yeah, we did the job, Yeah you did, Yeah you swept,
Speaker 3: did we?
Speaker 2: Yeah?
Speaker 1: Yeah?
Speaker 2: And then Tom actually went to the ceremony and played
Speaker 2: a harmonica solo that was so long that they had
Speaker 2: to drag him off of the stage.
Speaker 13: That is so like him.
Speaker 2: When did you know that this was being considered as
Speaker 2: such a bomb, and did that have any adverse effects
Speaker 2: for you?
Speaker 7: No, it didn't.
Speaker 13: Every time you make a movie and it's released, you're
Speaker 13: back at ground zero. So no, this was no more
Speaker 13: difficult than making any other movie. I always stood by
Speaker 13: the movie. I always thought that it's original, you will,
Speaker 13: it's unforgettable. We are going to distance, we are representing
Speaker 13: an artist's point of view, and I believe in that.
Speaker 13: I watched it again and I was like, what again,
Speaker 13: I was thinking that, But yeah, I remember talking to
Speaker 13: an executive from Hollywood Pictures who I believe was or
Speaker 13: I think was touched on, who was the person who
Speaker 13: had developed it, and they didn't know what to do
Speaker 13: with it, and they gave it back, and the trailers
Speaker 13: started coming out, and I can't remember who we opened
Speaker 13: it up against, but they were saying, like, what do
Speaker 13: you think. I said, we're going to do great because
Speaker 13: I just believe it, and he was just like what really?
Speaker 13: And I said great. I said it's funny and bizarre.
Speaker 13: And then when the reviews started coming back, I thought, oh,
Speaker 13: they're not seeing it or I didn't see it. But
Speaker 13: I felt like I did my job, you know, and
Speaker 13: that's really what it's about. Some of the comments. There
Speaker 13: was one comment if I remember that, first of all,
Speaker 13: they were across the board horrible, and so I thought, well,
Speaker 13: we did something right, but we didn't do also something right,
Speaker 13: that there was a comparison to like original Monty Python
Speaker 13: and the kind of the absurdist humor there. But now
Speaker 13: I hear it's a cold classic. It's like a postmodernist masterpiece,
Speaker 13: like Tom is secretly a genius. I have no idea.
Speaker 2: I read a few college dissertations about it, did you. Yeah,
Speaker 2: A couple of people at least have used this as
Speaker 2: their thesis.
Speaker 13: Really and why is that? Because why?
Speaker 2: I think it's the absurdism they come at it from,
Speaker 2: either neo surrealism or just kind of like existential crisis,
Speaker 2: especially with all the stuff around his father.
Speaker 13: That's really what grabbed me too.
Speaker 7: I can't believe it.
Speaker 13: Yeah, it was just a crazy time. I remember Harlan Williams.
Speaker 13: He was fun that whole but and I also remember
Speaker 13: how dazzling it was that well Tom Green could skateboard,
Speaker 13: and how dazzling that all that whole culture was.
Speaker 2: I love Harlan Williams. I thought Anthony Michael Hall knocked
Speaker 2: it out of the park. I felt like a lot
Speaker 2: of that was very ad libed watching it, and it
Speaker 2: felt like he was just going along with Green.
Speaker 13: Yeah, he was a powerful force. I don't really know
Speaker 13: what happened with Tom. I know that he went on
Speaker 13: to do road Trip, and I know he was very
Speaker 13: interested in like Brian Grazier's and certain producers.
Speaker 7: But I don't really know.
Speaker 13: I think he got a a podcast again, or of
Speaker 13: YouTube something. I don't know.
Speaker 2: Yeah, I think he's podcasting from a place up in Canada.
Speaker 2: He moved back up to close to Ottawa, close to
Speaker 2: his hometown.
Speaker 13: I got to check that out.
Speaker 2: How about you, What are you working on these days?
Speaker 13: I am working on something that I think is spectacular.
Speaker 13: And I thought I was retired, but apparently I'm not.
Speaker 13: I have another home that's down here in Florida, in Sarasota,
Speaker 13: there's a tiny fishing village called Cortez, and my helme
Speaker 13: is like right across the water from there. And during
Speaker 13: the nineteen seventies, there was more marijuana smuggle through that
Speaker 13: tiny town than anywhere else in America, and it was
Speaker 13: all done by sixteen year olds and the dea and
Speaker 13: the ATF was founded or formed in relation to many
Speaker 13: smuggling acts, but mostly because of these boys. And they
Speaker 13: smuggled in so much weed and it went. And the
Speaker 13: way they did it was they took a twenty three
Speaker 13: foot boat, four of them, down to Jamaica with a
Speaker 13: little bit of food and water and a Sears and
Speaker 13: Roebuck trash compactor, so if they found weed, they would
Speaker 13: compact it and put a lot on the boat. And
Speaker 13: they did anyway, So they were part of the Steenhatchie seven,
Speaker 13: which was the biggest. Walter Cronkite labeled them the steam
Speaker 13: Hatchie seven. It was the biggest drug bus in America,
Speaker 13: four and a half million dollars and nine tons. And
Speaker 13: then you know it was a wild adventure. But actually
Speaker 13: on the last day of Clinton's president, see, he pardoned
Speaker 13: our last guy who got life in prison for growing weed.
Speaker 13: So anyway, so that's what I'm working on. I got
Speaker 13: my writer director and we just put together a look
Speaker 13: book and off we go.
Speaker 2: Wow, that is great. I'm so glad that that's happening.
Speaker 13: I got the life rights to the last remaining smuggler
Speaker 13: and his name is Junior Guthrie. I mean what a
Speaker 13: great name. Also, so he's seventy eight, and those boys
Speaker 13: were just wild, wild wild.
Speaker 2: I love the whole crash compactor thing. That's fantastic, go
Speaker 2: do I.
Speaker 13: And all of it was like that because they were fishermen.
Speaker 13: I mean, they worked their asses off and they were
Speaker 13: so poor, and you know, their fathers and their grandfathers
Speaker 13: all fished. And then there was a law pass that
Speaker 13: they can't fish the way they had been fishing, so
Speaker 13: it really broke the back of commercial fishing. The boys thought, well,
Speaker 13: what are we going to do? And they became multimillionaires.
Speaker 13: They literally they had parties. They bought an island and
Speaker 13: they would have parties were Jimmy Buffett and the Almond
Speaker 13: brothers would come. And Buffett wrote this song, a Pirate
Speaker 13: Looks at forty. He co wrote it, even though it's
Speaker 13: not talked about by my lead smuggler Michael, who was
Speaker 13: eventually killed by the cartel. But it's the wildless story
Speaker 13: ever I believe. But yeah, Mike Knights murdered by the
Speaker 13: cartel and Mike White, I thought you were the Mike
Speaker 13: White I know from La you know, the my White
Speaker 13: loadeds like White.
Speaker 2: Oh yeah, I get that.
Speaker 11: A lot.
Speaker 2: I think it helps get me interview sometimes, but very nice.
Speaker 13: Okay, well, I hope I told you stuff that.
Speaker 2: Was good and new. I don't know absolutely did. I
Speaker 2: really appreciate this and I appreciate your.
Speaker 13: Time, my pleasure, and I'm thrilled to talk with you.
Speaker 7: Thank you.
Speaker 2: All Right, we were back and we were talking about
Speaker 2: Freddy Got Fingered and another comedy trope that this movie
Speaker 2: does that we were seeing a lot in this era
Speaker 2: were outtakes during the credits, and that relies a lot
Speaker 2: of scenes that we obviously saw some references there, but
Speaker 2: then a lot of scenes we didn't see. And I've
Speaker 2: found it pretty amazing that, I mean, Tom Green was
Speaker 2: doing the same thing that Parker and Stone were doing
Speaker 2: right around the same time, I think, where they were
Speaker 2: providing much longer cuts to the MPAA knowing that a
Speaker 2: lot of stuff was going to get cut out, so
Speaker 2: they would basically have things where they're like, we are
Speaker 2: almost including this in the movie, knowing that it's going
Speaker 2: to get cut out, so that we can sneak another
Speaker 2: joke in that won't get cut out. But it's really
Speaker 2: interesting to look at the deleted scenes and then kind
Speaker 2: of piecing things together via There was a behind the
Speaker 2: scenes special. It's on the DVD. There were previews obviously,
Speaker 2: and you get to see these bits and trying to
Speaker 2: kind of reform what this movie was, because it sounds
Speaker 2: like he turned in a two hour version of the film,
Speaker 2: and what we get is what one hour and twenty
Speaker 2: three minutes.
Speaker 12: No, it's a short, especially in this age where popcorn
Speaker 12: movies or almost three hours long. This film, I was like, God,
Speaker 12: it's not even ninety I don't even think it's quite
Speaker 12: ninety minutes.
Speaker 7: I think it's eighty seven.
Speaker 1: It's quick. I'm actually glad that it's not two hours,
Speaker 1: because I'm a firm believer of John Waters maxim that
Speaker 1: all comedies should be ninety minutes or less because one
Speaker 1: of the most painful things, and I love this guy.
Speaker 1: I went and saw Mark Marin when he was like
Speaker 1: testing stuff for a new special, and it was like
Speaker 1: a two hour stand up set and it was getting
Speaker 1: hard to sit there and try to laugh. It was
Speaker 1: like I was laughed out. So I like, there's part
Speaker 1: of me that realized from that experience. While it was good,
Speaker 1: it wasn't. I was like, man, this thing, well, this
Speaker 1: is going on too long, so I'm glad that it
Speaker 1: got condensed, but there is a lot of stuff in
Speaker 1: here that feels choppy. But then again, I'm the guy
Speaker 1: who said, you can't really watch this is a straight narrative,
Speaker 1: So what do I know.
Speaker 2: Yeah, like the stuff at the farm, you get to
Speaker 2: see more of that, like him suckling milk right out
Speaker 2: of a teat of a cow. Again, I think was
Speaker 2: part of the show as well. I talked about how
Speaker 2: abbreviated the beginning of this movie was, and that's because
Speaker 2: when Gordon moves from Oregon to Oregon down to Hollywood,
Speaker 2: not California, about Hollywood. He is staying with his uncle,
Speaker 2: and his uncle is played by Stephen Tobolowski, and there's
Speaker 2: like a whole subplot of stuff. And that was another
Speaker 2: thing on the DVD was deleted scenes. Unfortunately, Tom talks
Speaker 2: over the deleted scenes. You don't get them just with
Speaker 2: the natural audio and the ability to toggle on. As
Speaker 2: far as I know, maybe I just ripped it incorrectly,
Speaker 2: but I had him talking over those scenes, and it
Speaker 2: was interesting to see Tobolowski. He's this gay uncle and
Speaker 2: uncle Neil, and he's there with this Native American gentleman.
Speaker 2: I think he's called Big Bear. And there's just a
Speaker 2: lot too. We were talking about gay jokes. That's where
Speaker 2: the gay jokes were. That was all him, like oh yeah, well,
Speaker 2: and it was basically treated very respectfully. It was just like, okay,
Speaker 2: you know, Ford, you gotta go now, like you gotta
Speaker 2: you can sleep in my room. I'm gonna make love
Speaker 2: with this man right now. And he's the one who
Speaker 2: runs the cheese factory, cheese sandwich factory, so he is
Speaker 2: the one that got him his job. He's at the
Speaker 2: cheese factory and another scene and Gord comes in. He's
Speaker 2: just like, oh, Gord, I'm so glad you can make it.
Speaker 2: You know, it's noon. You really should have been here earlier.
Speaker 2: That's why you see all the people leaving from their job,
Speaker 2: because I think like the shift is over for them.
Speaker 2: It's pretty much just starting for him and he's losing
Speaker 2: his mind. Also, in the deleted scenes, you see two
Speaker 2: people coming up from a cheese vat. I'm not exactly
Speaker 2: sure where that plays into the narrative, but that was
Speaker 2: another thing going on with the cheese factory. He talks
Speaker 2: on the commentary that you actually saw he shot the
Speaker 2: scene of him going to a costume shop and picking
Speaker 2: up the Bobby uniform. Again, we don't need that stuff
Speaker 2: for that, it can just go past that. But then
Speaker 2: you also see him coming back to the factory after
Speaker 2: Anthony Michael Hall gives him his advice and he's super sad.
Speaker 2: And that's also where he quits his job at the
Speaker 2: cheese sandwich factory and decides he's going to go back
Speaker 2: to Portland. So that stuff, and also there's one more
Speaker 2: scene that ties into another deleted scene I'll talk about later,
Speaker 2: which is Neil. Uncle Neil calls Gord's dad and you
Speaker 2: see rip Torn on a boat. He's got a boat
Speaker 2: and he's out on a lake and that boat comes
Speaker 2: back in another deleted scene. Just get a little bit
Speaker 2: of that. So by eliminating well, they eliminated the boat
Speaker 2: and they eliminated Uncle Neil. So like that is a
Speaker 2: very clean subplot to have removed, and I don't feel
Speaker 2: like it's missing that much. There's a lot more with
Speaker 2: his cheese helmet, and I don't even know if you
Speaker 2: get the I think you get the cheese helmet just
Speaker 2: in the deleted scene, but you see him like take
Speaker 2: off the cheese helmet when all the old ladies, the
Speaker 2: dour old ladies who were instructed to not smile at
Speaker 2: all when they're leaving their shift.
Speaker 1: That explains why he didn't get fired for all of
Speaker 1: his standing up on the conveyor belt with the salami
Speaker 1: going I'm his sexy boy ding dong. I'm like, yeah,
Speaker 1: hr would be on you faster than flies on a
Speaker 1: picnic today.
Speaker 12: Yeah, we were robbed the Joe Flaherty that and get
Speaker 12: Domra I agree completely. This film does that did not
Speaker 12: need to be any longer than it is. It's a
Speaker 12: perfect It should be more comedies need to be this short.
Speaker 7: John Wall, what is right?
Speaker 12: Joe Flaherty I think is one of our greatest unsung
Speaker 12: comedic actors. And it's it's weird to sandsung because he
Speaker 12: he got so much. He did so much great work
Speaker 12: and was always very much active until kind of towards
Speaker 12: the end that I just I feel like he's always
Speaker 12: really underrated. I think people took Joe Flerty for granted.
Speaker 1: You know, out of the whole SETV crew, he seems
Speaker 1: to be the one that didn't hit as well as
Speaker 1: the rest of them. Martin Short and John Candy and
Speaker 1: then I'd say, Eugene Levy really has beens when the
Speaker 1: past ten years has gotten his respect.
Speaker 2: But yeah, I mean really again since American Pie and
Speaker 2: that just sent him into the stratosphere.
Speaker 1: It seemed like most of them on SETV, you know,
Speaker 1: except for Flarity blew up. And I don't know really
Speaker 1: what held him back or most of my friends who
Speaker 1: did not know SCTV like I knew it as a
Speaker 1: kid growing up in Detroit Channel nine. We got CBC
Speaker 1: and Detroit so we would get the sec TV reruns.
Speaker 1: I always loved him as Count Floyd and you know,
Speaker 1: Guy Cavaliero and all the other characters that he had
Speaker 1: on there, Sammy Maudlin. But the thing was, it's like
Speaker 1: most of my friends only knew him as the guy
Speaker 1: who heckels Happy Gilmore.
Speaker 3: You will not make this Putt Jackass.
Speaker 7: Oh weird, weird.
Speaker 12: They didn't even know him because he was on Freaks
Speaker 12: and Geeks one crazy summer.
Speaker 7: You mentioned that he's even followed that Bird, the Big
Speaker 7: Bird movie.
Speaker 12: I got exposed to him. Do you guys remember there
Speaker 12: being a cartoon on Oh God, what is that character?
Speaker 12: I must say that Martin Shirke find my blanking on
Speaker 12: that Thank you. There was an Ed Grimley cartoon from
Speaker 12: a Hot Minute in the eighties and I loved it.
Speaker 12: I was probably the only kid watching it. They had
Speaker 12: live bits where Flaherty would come into Count Floyd and
Speaker 12: I just was like, oh my god, it was just
Speaker 12: some athing edit and just from there it's always been
Speaker 12: just great love. Yeah.
Speaker 7: Him and Dave Thomas, I feel like Burke, but.
Speaker 12: Always steady work. Dave Thomas was on that Brett Butler
Speaker 12: Show and got a lot of TV work. Flerity got
Speaker 12: movies and TV.
Speaker 7: He's in Blue Monkey with Steve Railsbag, which is a
Speaker 7: lot fun.
Speaker 2: I think between those two that you mentioned, and then
Speaker 2: probably Andre and Martin, she definitely shows up in things,
Speaker 2: you know, Dwick and The Angry and My Big Factory Wedding.
Speaker 2: I keep seeing a clip on Instagram from a TV
Speaker 2: show she did called Evil, but like, yeah, she was
Speaker 2: hilarious as well, and just kind of like she's more
Speaker 2: behind the stuff, you know, like you don't see her
Speaker 2: as much, which is a little sad. I think for
Speaker 2: a whole generation of people, Joe Flaherty was just simply
Speaker 2: the Western Union guy that brings Marty the message at
Speaker 2: the end of Back to the Future.
Speaker 1: I mean, it was always just that line. Hey, Gilmore,
Speaker 1: you just.
Speaker 2: Going back to that documentary again. I wasn't sure at
Speaker 2: first when I saw Flarity on I think it was
Speaker 2: by that time it was the new Tom Green Show,
Speaker 2: because they were playing like they hated each other, at
Speaker 2: least that Flarerty hated Green. And I was like, is
Speaker 2: this real or is this not real? It was so uncomfortable.
Speaker 1: Those days must be Oh yeah, they were great. They're
Speaker 1: just great. Yes, it must have been nuts for you.
Speaker 8: Oh yeah, nuts, Dave Thomas, Yes, yes, sure, du Gene Levy,
Speaker 8: of course we're seeing all the time.
Speaker 3: That's right. What is your point?
Speaker 2: Are you saying I'm not doing well?
Speaker 7: What are you up to?
Speaker 12: These?
Speaker 1: I mean movies, big movies he tell us about.
Speaker 3: All right, how about Speed?
Speaker 1: I was in the movie, well, piano, piano.
Speaker 3: We didn't see you in that what anywhere?
Speaker 1: And I don't want to call you a liar? Wait,
Speaker 1: but don't go there at Green.
Speaker 3: This is my first you know, big show.
Speaker 13: Okay, I was cut out.
Speaker 1: Of the movie.
Speaker 7: Yeah, well, you're calling me a liar.
Speaker 1: I don't think that's a good idea. You're not very experienced.
Speaker 3: You're Green.
Speaker 1: It's so uncomfortable but fun to watch. You're like, oh God,
Speaker 1: because Joe Flaerity.
Speaker 12: Just seem like an interview is like the nicest, just
Speaker 12: totally just amiable guy. I have one of the DANCTV
Speaker 12: box sets and some of the commentaries with him, and
Speaker 12: particularly there's one with him and Eugene Levy and Joe.
Speaker 12: I can't like what it is Joe says, but Joe's
Speaker 12: totally makes some joke that's like a slightly off color
Speaker 12: and Eugene Levy gets uptightened, and Flarity just no selling
Speaker 12: the uptight as he's just reveling in it. I just
Speaker 12: love him so much, and I hate I love Tom Green,
Speaker 12: but I'm like, Tom, what the fuck did you do? Man?
Speaker 7: What did you do to make make it Joe Flarity mad?
Speaker 7: We'd love Joe bum.
Speaker 2: Since he shows up in this, I imagine it was
Speaker 2: all a bit. Does he show up in the deleted
Speaker 2: scenes at the end. I know for sure he's on
Speaker 2: some of this documentary stuff and he basically he works
Speaker 2: with Jim's dad or sorry, he works with Gordon's dad.
Speaker 2: And again this kind of like how did they give
Speaker 2: him all this money? Because you see some of these
Speaker 2: deleted scenes. And so I mentioned the boat that we
Speaker 2: saw Gord's dad on earlier, Well, that boat comes back
Speaker 2: when he hires the helicopter pilot. He takes his dad's boat,
Speaker 2: takes it to the construction site or the mill that's
Speaker 2: what it is, where Flaherty and hint rip Torn are
Speaker 2: working and drops the boat into this massive like shredder. Basically,
Speaker 2: so you get like how much did that cost? I'm
Speaker 2: sure it wasn't a real boat, but it was like
Speaker 2: how much did that cost to do that particular thing?
Speaker 2: And then you also get a little bit of the
Speaker 2: house for whatever reason that he brings to Pakistan, which
Speaker 2: I love, by the way, just that he chooses to
Speaker 2: take the house to Pakistan, just because of his dad saying,
Speaker 2: you know, you should, you'd be sewing soccer balls in Pakistan.
Speaker 2: It's like such a nice you know, poetic It's like
Speaker 2: poetry rhymes. You see the house explode, and I'm just like,
Speaker 2: you exploded a house, But yet you cut away from
Speaker 2: you cut from them running from the you know, like
Speaker 2: him laying there with tapioca pudding all over him, aka
Speaker 2: Elephant Come, and then Tom Green laying next to him.
Speaker 2: You cut from that to basically them running and then
Speaker 2: getting captured and stuff, and apparently there's a very brief
Speaker 2: bit where you see Tom Green with a gun and
Speaker 2: they're like playing this drinking game. I think there's gonna
Speaker 2: be a real deer Hunter recreation, which is funny because
Speaker 2: he does Deer Hunter in that or was going to,
Speaker 2: and I think they chopped that down. And then he
Speaker 2: was also we're talking about the music, he was also
Speaker 2: going to do a whole Apocalypse Now thing. You get
Speaker 2: to see that deleted scene of him as he's drawing,
Speaker 2: trying to come up with drawings, and it's the New
Speaker 2: York Doll song playing. That was supposed to be the
Speaker 2: end by the doors, but they were going to charge
Speaker 2: him like an insane amount of money, so he dropped
Speaker 2: the whole thing. But it was all shot of him,
Speaker 2: and you see the ceiling fan in the final film still,
Speaker 2: but that was him, and he gets like, he stands
Speaker 2: up and he starts doing kung fu, and he bashes
Speaker 2: the mirror that's in front of him and he you know,
Speaker 2: slices his hand open and all this. So there was
Speaker 2: a whole Apocalypse Now reference that was supposed to be
Speaker 2: in this and then I think that plays into when
Speaker 2: you first see him in the helicopter they play right
Speaker 2: at the Valkyrize.
Speaker 1: I'm just thinking about the fact that he would have
Speaker 1: picked up his dad's boat, because the whole point is
Speaker 1: like rip Torn's character is like he's finally out of
Speaker 1: the house, Thank fucking God. Like it's just he's got
Speaker 1: to get him out of the house. And so there's
Speaker 1: this battle of the wills between the two of them,
Speaker 1: and the idea that he would pick up the boat,
Speaker 1: which is probably would have been this priced thing. It's like,
Speaker 1: oh my boat, especially coming from Michigan where we have
Speaker 1: so much boat culture, it would just be like and
Speaker 1: then to destroy it like that, it is just one
Speaker 1: more fuck you to dad. Watching the Tom Green documentary,
Speaker 1: I get the feeling that him and his dad are
Speaker 1: pretty good with each other. But if you were to
Speaker 1: like give this to I don't know, some Freudian analysis guy,
Speaker 1: they would be like, who, this guy's got some serious
Speaker 1: dad issues. He wants to kill his dad. And then
Speaker 1: and then the fact that he would put the end
Speaker 1: in there obviously now reference, but with the reference in
Speaker 1: the end to father, I want to kill you and mother.
Speaker 7: I want.
Speaker 12: It's been a minute since I've still out last watched
Speaker 12: the Tom Green Show proper, but I remember both spirits
Speaker 12: seem like really nice people, which made it even more
Speaker 12: just like he would do he would house it for
Speaker 12: them and they come back and he had somebody paint
Speaker 12: like two women making love on top of their like
Speaker 12: like sedan.
Speaker 2: Yeah, oh yeah, it was the slopmobile. They do the
Speaker 2: whole slupmobile in the documentary. That was fucking hilarious. And yeah,
Speaker 2: I like Tom Green's dad has a cameo in this movie,
Speaker 2: but it's the animated version of him. He's the guy
Speaker 2: that refuses to give Jim Zebra Jim a job. That's
Speaker 2: the caricature of his dad. That documentary is just like
Speaker 2: did you think it was funny? He's like, I did
Speaker 2: think it was funny, but I couldn't admit it.
Speaker 1: I have a partner right now. She can't handle like
Speaker 1: cruelty humor, which is what I feel like some of
Speaker 1: this is related to. And I don't know if that
Speaker 1: is this particularly gen X thing. Is that just us?
Speaker 1: Is that like punk rock humor? Because I think like
Speaker 1: younger kids, like when I talk to people like, oh,
Speaker 1: that's cruel or that's cringey, or there's these attitudes around
Speaker 1: what's funny. And I know, like humor changes goes through.
Speaker 1: Nobody's laughing at Chaucer, even though Terry Jones tried to
Speaker 1: tell us that fucking Chaucer was hilarious. Nobody's laughing at
Speaker 1: him five hundred years now, But humor changes. But I
Speaker 1: was just wondering, and you, guys, do you feel that
Speaker 1: there's just something innate about I don't know if cruelty
Speaker 1: is right, but there's a certain sense of taking the
Speaker 1: piss out of people or something, and that's in here
Speaker 1: that I don't know.
Speaker 12: I never know which generational stuff because I don't really
Speaker 12: I have to met I don't really fully understand it,
Speaker 12: and I think a lot of it's marketing.
Speaker 7: I think we're bargaining bates that it really is like cultural.
Speaker 12: But I'm also like, I don't even know which generation
Speaker 12: I'm a part of, because I'm like a cusp. I'm
Speaker 12: kind of like I'm millennial technically, but I'm just on
Speaker 12: the tail end of gen X. I saw one, say,
Speaker 12: elderly millennial, which you can gladly suck my left one
Speaker 12: on that elderly my ass.
Speaker 7: I will say this, I am not and I've never
Speaker 7: been a fan. I'm sure there's exceptions.
Speaker 12: I'm the biggest fan of like tension comedy with like
Speaker 12: misunderstandings or stuff. Like anytime I'd see a trailer for say,
Speaker 12: what was the was it Meet the Parents? The one
Speaker 12: with de Niro, and still it made me ringe so hard,
Speaker 12: like I can't that kind of shit. Even when I
Speaker 12: was real little, I remember like anything with the Flintstones
Speaker 12: is like a lot of the Funstones was like misunderstandings,
Speaker 12: and it would just give me the hives I could
Speaker 12: not deal with. I mean, that's a kind of cruelty
Speaker 12: that's very real life based, and I like it. It
Speaker 12: makes me deeply, deeply uncomfortable. I feel like this kind
Speaker 12: of stuff and what Tom Green does is so bananas
Speaker 12: that it's not real. There's no reality kind of base
Speaker 12: to this. So I don't think if it was cool,
Speaker 12: but it's I don't know, what do you guys?
Speaker 2: The common Stiffler's beer always hit me wrong, you know,
Speaker 2: just like that's crossing a line kind of thing. Honestly,
Speaker 2: one of my least favorite things in the entire world
Speaker 2: was Three's Company just because every episode hinged upon a misunderstanding,
Speaker 2: and they were all misunderstandings that probably could have gotten
Speaker 2: explained away, And so much of it was just because
Speaker 2: of was it just good Rent? Why was Why did
Speaker 2: he have to stay with jan and Chrissy or whoever
Speaker 2: these women were?
Speaker 3: Was it just that?
Speaker 7: Was it wacky?
Speaker 11: Okay?
Speaker 7: All right, it's a Sims.
Speaker 2: The gay panic on that show was just so intense.
Speaker 2: Oh god, Okay.
Speaker 7: Also, what is mister Furley? Not mister Furley? Which one was?
Speaker 7: Norman Fell's character was see Roper?
Speaker 12: Mister Roper, mister Roper's problem with this beautiful Why she
Speaker 12: was always wanting to get some beautiful woman lovely captains?
Speaker 2: And you don't eat oh Bundy, I mean, peg is gorgeous?
Speaker 7: What the hell? Heeck is a goddess? Yes she is.
Speaker 7: They just don't eat he don't eat her cooking. But
Speaker 7: she is a goddess. I love.
Speaker 2: Yeah.
Speaker 1: I just have that line that goes through my head,
Speaker 1: and I think I've used it a couple of times
Speaker 1: from Fish called Wanda, where when Kevin Klein's auto is
Speaker 1: torturing Michael Palin, he's asking him the philosophy questions. He
Speaker 1: goes and which book didn'ts you claim that all higher
Speaker 1: art is based on cruelty, So I just think about that,
Speaker 1: in which you know, yeah, I'm like, all Shakespeare is cruelty.
Speaker 1: A lot of great painting and art and it's cruelty.
Speaker 1: I'm like, they're just we just seem to have this
Speaker 1: thing with cruelty. I don't necessarily consider this cruel because
Speaker 1: it's cartoonish, it's over the top. One thing I wanted
Speaker 1: to talk about in terms of like more recent Canadian
Speaker 1: Man on the Street humor that is morphed into a film,
Speaker 1: and how they handle this versus something else. And I
Speaker 1: don't know if you're familiar with this. Nirvana, the band
Speaker 1: of the show.
Speaker 7: I've seen the.
Speaker 2: Poster and I don't know. I've downloaded the movie. I
Speaker 2: haven't watched it yet.
Speaker 1: Those guys are from Toronto, and the whole concept is
Speaker 1: is they're like two guys who want to make it big.
Speaker 1: So it's got like this, As I explained the movie,
Speaker 1: it's like Bill and Ted meets back in the future,
Speaker 1: Like it has this kind of time travel piece, but
Speaker 1: they're like diluted and they want to be they want
Speaker 1: to play at the RIVALI, which is where the Kids
Speaker 1: in the Hall started. They did shows at the Rivalie Toronto.
Speaker 1: So anyway, their whole man on the street bit isn't
Speaker 1: so much like getting people to attack them or making
Speaker 1: them uncomfortable, which is what Green does. It's more like
Speaker 1: making themselves the butt of the joke. I'm diluted and
Speaker 1: this person thinks getting them to conspire with you to
Speaker 1: do something. And so I just found it interesting in
Speaker 1: terms of how not all sort of man on the
Speaker 1: street bits, which I think Green's humor also connects to
Speaker 1: something like I really loved I don't know if you
Speaker 1: guys ever saw Wonder shows and they send the kids
Speaker 1: out and ask inappropriate questions of people, Like that's all
Speaker 1: about making people uncomfortable and getting their reaction to inappropriateness.
Speaker 1: And I felt that the guys who do Nirvana the band,
Speaker 1: the show the movie was more about like how how
Speaker 1: can I bring you into my world kind of thing
Speaker 1: as opposed to this uncomfortableness in that way. So it's
Speaker 1: just interesting.
Speaker 12: The whole Beat Kids, the Beat Reporter, and it's like
Speaker 12: kids on the Street, Kids on the Beat, Beat Kids.
Speaker 12: There's these little cartoons with the title Beat Kids, like
Speaker 12: that Wonder ships.
Speaker 7: One was great.
Speaker 1: Oh, especially like they send them to Wall Street and
Speaker 1: it's like, how many people did you exploit today? And
Speaker 1: it's like a little eight year old girl asking some
Speaker 1: Wall Street chatteries like a lot a lot of people. Yeah,
Speaker 1: I did, I did really well.
Speaker 7: There's like a little redheaded boy.
Speaker 12: I was like, God, if I had ever spawned, this
Speaker 12: would have been my child. And then a little suit
Speaker 12: and he goes up to a pig head and he's like.
Speaker 7: How are you doing today, officer. I literally thought in
Speaker 7: terms of I think of cruelty with art.
Speaker 12: I always tend to think more like ore tow that
Speaker 12: I do like comedy, but that's a really now.
Speaker 7: I mean, there's a cruelty in comedy.
Speaker 12: I always just think of cruelty and comedy as being like, yeah,
Speaker 12: I don't want to watch my meet the Fokkers or whatever.
Speaker 7: I don't know, I'm good. I don't want to see that.
Speaker 12: I want to see just oh, it's wacky misunderstandings and
Speaker 12: it's just hate it and it's just seeing people deeply.
Speaker 7: It makes me deeply uncomfortable. Seeing people that uncomfortable.
Speaker 12: I don't think it's funny, but it's also yeah, I'm
Speaker 12: having to see you like, why wou don't want to
Speaker 12: see DeNiro do this?
Speaker 7: I'll just I'll just remember when he was in Good Boe.
Speaker 2: If you want uncomfortableness and you want to Nero, it's
Speaker 2: King of comedy. You know, that's where you can stop
Speaker 2: right there, or maybe Midnight Run, you know. I mean,
Speaker 2: because God, Charles Groden, I could see asking Grodin as
Speaker 2: Gordon's dead would be an interesting choice. Obviously totally different
Speaker 2: vibe coming to it, but just that disappointed because Croden
Speaker 2: could do disappointed so well. But yeah, to get back
Speaker 2: to mister Torn, I mean just yeah. The mania that
Speaker 2: he approaches this role with is just oh. And that's
Speaker 2: the only thing I really regret about not having more
Speaker 2: of these deleted scenes is to have more of rip Torn,
Speaker 2: because he steals the movie.
Speaker 7: Oh Metock and Barrel.
Speaker 12: When he starts kicking at Arlan Williams leg cat, It's
Speaker 12: is like such a maniac and I, oh my god,
Speaker 12: ripped Torn. And I love the beauty of rip Torn
Speaker 12: because he could be unhinged and be your heart's breaking
Speaker 12: unhinged like Got like Coming Apart, which is such a
Speaker 12: brilliant movie, like that movie.
Speaker 7: And he can do like these serious dramas.
Speaker 12: He could do got Man who Fill to Earth And
Speaker 12: there's a great scene where he's yelling in that he's naked.
Speaker 7: It's fantastic.
Speaker 12: But then he can do like these unhinged comedies and
Speaker 12: which kind of what he became more known for in
Speaker 12: his later stage of his life.
Speaker 2: Fuck Naked is that his character's name.
Speaker 1: I'm just thinking about how you say that, like in
Speaker 1: a lot of movies, he has a tendency to yell,
Speaker 1: and I'm wondering if he was the archetype for John
Speaker 1: Goodman and the Coen Brothers movies, who.
Speaker 7: Oh my god, have they never used to rip torn,
Speaker 7: ripped whatever? At the Cohens come on? He would have
Speaker 7: a burt.
Speaker 2: I think we would be a little remissed. And I
Speaker 2: talk about some of the reaction to this movie. First,
Speaker 2: I want to just start talking about the poster because
Speaker 2: it's a very interesting I mean, Heather, you were talking
Speaker 2: about the marketing and just how bad the trailer was
Speaker 2: for this, and there's a lot of trailers out there,
Speaker 2: but yes, they are pretty much all bad. This whole
Speaker 2: poster thing where it's just green on the poster in
Speaker 2: front of what would you say, like one hundred little
Speaker 2: pictures all from this movie. And then you've got him
Speaker 2: front and center and he's doing the whole like it's
Speaker 2: not really the framing thing with the hands, but it's
Speaker 2: as close as you're going to get from Tom Green.
Speaker 2: And that's the movie poster. It's not a scene from
Speaker 2: the movie. It's not a representation of Freddy getting fingered,
Speaker 2: which I was kind of disappointed about. It's just Green
Speaker 2: front and center and just making himself. You know, obviously
Speaker 2: the studio knows what they're doing. They're just like, yeah, no,
Speaker 2: we're gonna put this guy on here. All blame will
Speaker 2: go to him. But no, really, like he was the
Speaker 2: draw for so many people. And also, you know we're
Speaker 2: talking about you know, I pulled himself up by his
Speaker 2: bootstraps and everything. He fucking directed this movie. It's not like,
Speaker 2: you know, he hired Tom Shadik or some of these
Speaker 2: other guys to be like, yoh, no, come on in
Speaker 2: and direct this. No, he directed this movie, and so
Speaker 2: then he puts this, unfortunately, this big fucking target on
Speaker 2: his head, and so many people went after this. I mean,
Speaker 2: Robbie mentioned the I think it was Ebert and roper
Speaker 2: By that time, I think Cisco. I don't know if
Speaker 2: he was passed away or if he just was sick
Speaker 2: at the time, but just like all these people just
Speaker 2: smelled blood in the water, and people piled onto this
Speaker 2: movie more than like snow White, the musical remake live
Speaker 2: action version from last year. I think it was or
Speaker 2: like any of these other disasters, this one. I mean,
Speaker 2: I kind of watch this because it was reported to
Speaker 2: be such a car crash, and I was frankly a
Speaker 2: little disappointed because I was like, yeah, it was actually
Speaker 2: kind of good, you know, but it's it's not my
Speaker 2: style of humor. But it was nowhere near as bad
Speaker 2: as the people had reported. And just how disgusting this
Speaker 2: movie was. It's like, yeah, Okay, like I said, I
Speaker 2: don't really care to see you close up of a
Speaker 2: horse cock. Maybe it's just me, Maybe I'm uptight, Maybe
Speaker 2: I'm the wrong generation for that, you know, maybe a
Speaker 2: lot of people love horsecock on screen. But but they
Speaker 2: went after this poor guy so hard, and he really
Speaker 2: didn't deserve it.
Speaker 12: No, no, And that cover is a charcious. It looks
Speaker 12: like a mountain dew ad. It looks like it could
Speaker 12: be an ad for like an Xbox System. It doesn't
Speaker 12: look like a movie poster at all. What they should
Speaker 12: have done is there's an artist in Kirk Demris who
Speaker 12: does all these great where it like paint it like
Speaker 12: all like seventy style paint, like family portraits, but it's
Speaker 12: like Jack and Wendy Torret's and they were the Golden Girls,
Speaker 12: like the very He's such a cool artist. And if
Speaker 12: they did, like a family, sell portrait of that with
Speaker 12: the family, do something irreverent because this movie's.
Speaker 7: A reverent like it should have been promoted like that,
Speaker 7: like what it was, what it really is now.
Speaker 12: This won a bunch of Razzies, and I read that
Speaker 12: Tom Green was the second filmmaker to show up in person,
Speaker 12: the first being Paul Verhoven for I can't live like
Speaker 12: the Razzies.
Speaker 7: Okay, why do you show girls? This is a good movie.
Speaker 7: We've talked about it on the show, which is great.
Speaker 2: Your famous line.
Speaker 12: Of Yosemite Sam with titty but she does act like
Speaker 12: that and might defense she completely x like Yosemite stamp
Speaker 12: with titties and like throwing up the French fries in
Speaker 12: the air.
Speaker 1: Girl.
Speaker 7: They're kids starving and.
Speaker 12: You're just like Willly nearly throwing taters whatever versas, but
Speaker 12: top grade apparently, and this is I love him for this.
Speaker 12: Apparely played a harmonic solo and he would stop playing,
Speaker 12: and they like he had to pull up off stage
Speaker 12: like he did like some Mike Patt and shit like
Speaker 12: this only was a Mike Patt and Andy Coffin level
Speaker 12: antics And I am.
Speaker 7: So for it because stuff like that.
Speaker 12: This movie, I'm saying, eber seeing the worst movie of
Speaker 12: this year, I highly doubt that this was the worst
Speaker 12: movie of.
Speaker 7: Two thousand and one. It's not for everybody, but sheesus.
Speaker 12: If something's for everybody, then it's going to be something
Speaker 12: that nobody remembers because it's gonna be so bland and
Speaker 12: so neutered and diluted.
Speaker 2: Yeah, the movie studio didn't know what the fuck to
Speaker 2: do with this, but people were talking about it and
Speaker 2: it became really big on DVD once it came out.
Speaker 7: That's right, and that's how it got the cult, and
Speaker 7: I love that.
Speaker 12: That's always sort of like I think a thread with
Speaker 12: a lot of especially newer cult movies, is this Nobody
Speaker 12: knew what to do with them originally, but they find
Speaker 12: this new life on physical media and gosh, think about
Speaker 12: shock treatment.
Speaker 7: God, you would talk about terrible trailers. The US trailer
Speaker 7: for that film horrible.
Speaker 1: I'm gonna go back and I'm gonna pull up what
Speaker 1: the best picture was, and I'm gonna ask you, would
Speaker 1: you rather watch that or would you rather watch this?
Speaker 1: Are you ready a beautiful mind?
Speaker 7: Oh?
Speaker 6: Good lord?
Speaker 2: I cannot stand that movie.
Speaker 12: This is why I hate stuff like the Oscars. I'm
Speaker 12: not a fan of that shit in general, because there's
Speaker 12: a certain type of film. There's especially where it's like Oscar.
Speaker 12: It's just good to get to Oscar. Oh, the critics
Speaker 12: are good to love it, and it's it's not good.
Speaker 12: How many great, genuinely great movies and artists never get mentioned.
Speaker 12: And I know it's subjective, that's fair, but still, I
Speaker 12: once said, the guy yell at me because I made
Speaker 12: a this is serious, by way, This is some comedy
Speaker 12: because it happened for real. A guy yell at me
Speaker 12: because I made fun of the Starland Was it Starlight
Speaker 12: Vocal band? Starland vocal band that did after Julight? I'm serious,
Speaker 12: Eddie said, oh you. He called me the ladist and
Speaker 12: said they want to grier me, and it is who
Speaker 12: fuck cares who wanted Grammy?
Speaker 7: You how many great artists haven't won a Grammy? Does
Speaker 7: Janis Joplin when she was alive? Won a Grammy? Has
Speaker 7: band Hawk when won a Grammy? Does Ornett? Ornette Coleman? Grammy?
Speaker 7: Fuck off?
Speaker 3: Come on?
Speaker 12: All of that is horseshit, the Grammys, Oscars, all of it.
Speaker 12: It's just people. Just it's a circle jerk of ego
Speaker 12: and pretension. Beautiful Mind, and that's another movie. I know,
Speaker 12: I thought, I remember. It just made me think of
Speaker 12: like indigestion. It just really didn't do much for me.
Speaker 12: I'm just like mildly bloated, like except without the fun
Speaker 12: of eating horrible food. That is, yes, I had it inshurrito.
Speaker 12: I should not have eaten that, but it tasted good.
Speaker 7: I'm bloated.
Speaker 12: I didn't get that with a Beautiful Mind. I just
Speaker 12: got the bloating and a really rustle curls. An actor
Speaker 12: who can do really great work. I've seen him and
Speaker 12: stuff where I really enjoyed him. That was not the
Speaker 12: flavor of the Maybe if they would be like let's
Speaker 12: show Let's Star a history film where we show this
Speaker 12: character from being the complete flight fucking hot mess he
Speaker 12: is and give us some honesty.
Speaker 7: It's the truth. Do a Cassavetti's baby. Then we got art,
Speaker 7: then we got action.
Speaker 12: Yeah, it's ridiculous, and Tom Green definitely didn't deserve I
Speaker 12: think that's often the case with a lot of these
Speaker 12: films that get maligned, is being.
Speaker 7: Like, oh, this is the worst, the worst film. Didn't marry,
Speaker 7: didn't American Beauty? What a bunch of shit?
Speaker 3: Too.
Speaker 2: Well, it's basically it was Oscar Bait fight Club because
Speaker 2: it's all about Russell Crowe and his imaginary friend and.
Speaker 1: A lot of math. It's all I remember. All I
Speaker 1: remember is that image. It's it's like the the meme
Speaker 1: of the lady looking around with the math around her,
Speaker 1: you know, like that's all I remember is just the
Speaker 1: math comes on the screen. But the point that I'm
Speaker 1: trying to make is I've seen that once. I have
Speaker 1: no desire to go out of my way to see
Speaker 1: that again. This movie I saw once on Criterion streaming.
Speaker 1: I told you, I go, we should do this on
Speaker 1: the show. I have now watched it three times and
Speaker 1: I will likely watch it again at least one more
Speaker 1: time before I'm probably in the ground. Congratulations, Tom Green,
Speaker 1: you have won.
Speaker 12: I own a physical copy of Right Your Finger, so
Speaker 12: it made enough an impressure on me to where it
Speaker 12: is part of the collection.
Speaker 2: I mean, I read two college thesis about Freddy Gottfinger.
Speaker 2: That was the reading for this, because I didn't want
Speaker 2: to go out and just have bad review after bad review.
Speaker 2: I mean, of course the AO Scott review is out there,
Speaker 2: which he seemed to really like this and did kind
Speaker 2: of predict like, hey, people are going to be talking
Speaker 2: about this in twenty five years and bloila, here we are.
Speaker 2: I'm reading these college thesies being like, yeah, this is
Speaker 2: an anti comedy and like take a look at this,
Speaker 2: and you know, and like defining you know what a
Speaker 2: comedian comedy, which was a weird term for me, a
Speaker 2: comedian comedy is all about, and you know, tying it
Speaker 2: back like you did Rob to Buster Keaton and just
Speaker 2: like how is Keaton and his movies and his whole
Speaker 2: sad sack persona versus Tom Green with you know, we've
Speaker 2: got that scene of him in slow motion as he's
Speaker 2: walking through the rain to go back into the Chief
Speaker 2: Sandwich Shop. You know, it's like just like his attempt
Speaker 2: at the super sad moment in the movie you know, like, Okay,
Speaker 2: Betty's you know, Betty's mad at him, and his dad's
Speaker 2: mad at him, and you know, his brother's mad at him,
Speaker 2: and he's got to suck it up and go back
Speaker 2: into the chief shop and just admit defeat, you know,
Speaker 2: and it's like that's the worst thing is working at
Speaker 2: this cheese shop or cheese sandwich shop. It was pretty great.
Speaker 2: So I have grown to appreciate this movie more by
Speaker 2: talking about it, more by reading about it. And I
Speaker 2: still am not a big Tom Green fan. I don't
Speaker 2: think I'll seek out his work necessarily, but if he
Speaker 2: did help pave the way for things like Jackass and
Speaker 2: some of these other anti comedy things that we've talked
Speaker 2: about like Wonder Shows and liked him and Eric, like
Speaker 2: who's the guy that you always see him shooting someone? Yes,
Speaker 2: like with all of those comedians. I mean, because I
Speaker 2: didn't tell my Jackass story, which was I never watched
Speaker 2: Jackass when it was on TV. But then when the
Speaker 2: first Jackass movie came out, my friend Diane was just like,
Speaker 2: you have to see this movie. It's fantastic, and we
Speaker 2: went to see it at a Dallas show. I couldn't
Speaker 2: stop laughing. It was so fucking funny. And I've seen
Speaker 2: all of the Jackass movies subsequent plus when they bring
Speaker 2: out like the version two point five or three point
Speaker 2: five or any of those things, I'm right there watching it.
Speaker 2: I want to see more of this stuff. I want
Speaker 2: to see Steve O snorting Wasabi. I want to see
Speaker 2: Wemen getting smacked by a giant hand. You know, these
Speaker 2: are great characters that these people are playing or real
Speaker 2: life versions. I mean, I'm pulling for Johnny Knoxville every
Speaker 2: single time I see him on TV.
Speaker 12: Same god you think about Knoxville. I loved him in
Speaker 12: a Dirty Shame.
Speaker 2: He was really good in the one with Arnold Schwarzenegger,
Speaker 2: and I think who else wasn't that? But yeah, whatever
Speaker 2: that Ernold schwart the Last Stand, I think it was called,
Speaker 2: He's fantastic in that.
Speaker 7: I love Jackass. I love all those guys.
Speaker 12: I've even to the point though, over like when we
Speaker 12: actually saw three D we did a date night, which
Speaker 12: being in a room full of teenagers who somehow teenage
Speaker 12: boys that conned their girlfriend who apparently did not know
Speaker 12: I don't know how. It's the third one at that
Speaker 12: point where they like the choir of eh, oh, maybe
Speaker 12: it was one of also my horrified a lady a Sephora.
Speaker 7: She was like, oh, you cat, you come on a date.
Speaker 12: That's wonderful where one movie and I was like, oh,
Speaker 12: Jackass right in and she's like, oh.
Speaker 1: It's interesting. Earlier this week, a chance to go see
Speaker 1: John Waters in person. I've seen him before, but it
Speaker 1: got me to think because I was recording this with
Speaker 1: you guys, we were just talking about Jackass. Here is
Speaker 1: when I first started the same with the same with me, Michael.
Speaker 1: I did not see Jackass when I was on TV.
Speaker 1: I only watched the movie and then got into all
Speaker 1: of them and I absolutely love them too. And there
Speaker 1: was a moment where I'm like, what is it, like
Speaker 1: why Like I love these like art films and foreign
Speaker 1: film and all of this stuff, and for some reason,
Speaker 1: like why do I why do I gravitate towards this too?
Speaker 1: And there was part of me that goes, That's why
Speaker 1: I love Waters and Waters is much the same way
Speaker 1: ooh four hour, Horrible, Miserable, awful, Norwegians. Everything is terrible film. Yes,
Speaker 1: and then show me something like she should have said no,
Speaker 1: or russ Meyer or something. Give me this range. I
Speaker 1: need this range. I always just a joke. People would
Speaker 1: ask me about this show when I was co hosting
Speaker 1: it all the time with you, and I said, it's great.
Speaker 1: We do everything from the art house to the outhouse.
Speaker 1: It's great. I love it because it is those that
Speaker 1: are in the middle. It's those a beautiful mind and
Speaker 1: stuff like that. It's like those will just be forgotten.
Speaker 1: People don't care about those. It's always the fringe ends.
Speaker 1: It's always the most it's the extremity that seems to
Speaker 1: be the stuff that has values. So let that be
Speaker 1: a lessed to you kids. If you're creative, create things
Speaker 1: that are on the edges, so that way, twenty five
Speaker 1: years after you make it, people still sit around talk
Speaker 1: about it.
Speaker 2: All right, We're going to take another break and play
Speaker 2: a preview for next week's show right after these brief messches.
Speaker 13: And then I still know Leeds As to the identity
Speaker 13: of the freaky folk hero remains at large, sir, what
Speaker 13: did you see last night?
Speaker 1: Her gunshots saw blood and the Sola had his arm
Speaker 1: tore off like wet bread, and the creature run off
Speaker 1: into them.
Speaker 3: Nine she was like a hot dog. Was very shocking.
Speaker 1: Can we put that.
Speaker 12: Out anyone that may have encountered the strange breaking news.
Speaker 1: A group of armed extremists.
Speaker 13: Nasty lads.
Speaker 5: They've taken hostages at a mismeat lunchet for hum Downtown.
Speaker 1: Let's go live.
Speaker 3: Who the fuck are you? The Toxic Avenger?
Speaker 12: That's what the kids are calling him.
Speaker 1: I think it's so well, that's right.
Speaker 2: We'll be back next week with a look at the
Speaker 2: Toxic Avenger twenty twenty three. Until then, I want to
Speaker 2: thank my co host Robin Heather. So, Rob, what's the
Speaker 2: latest with you?
Speaker 1: I have finished my second novel since I moved to
Speaker 1: the High Desert. I send it to you guys. Hopefully
Speaker 1: someone will give me some notes and if you don't
Speaker 1: like it, then I'll just feel stupid and I won't
Speaker 1: go any further with it. I'm just kidding. So I'm
Speaker 1: just working on the writing and enjoying my life.
Speaker 2: You're stupid, You're stupid, you failed, you failed? Well, how
Speaker 2: does that make you feel?
Speaker 1: Pretty good? Actually, because as we were discussing, it's failures
Speaker 1: that people will talk about years from now, so that
Speaker 1: will be nice. Maybe my failures will be my retirement plan,
Speaker 1: because I sure as hell don't have any money in
Speaker 1: the bank right now. Anyway, moving right along. Things are
Speaker 1: enjoying my life and I hope y'all are doing well too.
Speaker 2: And Heather, what's new with you?
Speaker 12: Just wrap up being a guest on The Director's Club
Speaker 12: podcast hosted by Jim LECOWSKEI with Mike White. We talked
Speaker 12: about Horda Rowski, one of my absolute our heroes. Yeah,
Speaker 12: where you talking about Santa Song great and Holy Mountain
Speaker 12: that is up live so you can find that. I
Speaker 12: was also recently on an episode of In Film We
Speaker 12: Trust talking about Russ Meyer Supervixen's for all other Sundrys.
Speaker 12: I've always got something cooking and I'm actually currently working
Speaker 12: on a little thing for the youtubes right now. But
Speaker 12: you can go to my link tree linktree dot com
Speaker 12: forward slash Mondo Heather. You'll find my articles, my websites,
Speaker 12: my Patreon, whatch website, singular how don't know why make
Speaker 12: the plural wish we'll thinking, and all sort of other matters.
Speaker 12: But yes, linktree dot com for a slash Mondo Heather.
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