Speaker 1: Calling a b as y'all, can I get a man
Speaker 1: for calling?
Speaker 2: Oh be Welcome back, everybody. I'm your host DJ on
Speaker 2: a super exciting night here because we're gonna be talking
Speaker 2: about something totally new that we have not talked about
Speaker 2: on CAB before. And you know what I'm talking about
Speaker 2: because one of my homies introduced me to this topic.
Speaker 2: And we're talking about my man just en route and
Speaker 2: what happened to him when he got shot down with
Speaker 2: thirty plus bullets by BP d O DOUBLEG. So we're
Speaker 2: gonna we're gonna get into it, and we have some
Speaker 2: special people here tonight to talk to about this. We
Speaker 2: have a star of the Halloween party and we have
Speaker 2: her friend, a victim advocate, so that that was the victim,
Speaker 2: you know herself really because it was it was her
Speaker 2: brother and that of course is Jen. So without further,
Speaker 2: so it's a serious topic. You know how we enter
Speaker 2: on Cab, we gotta intro everybody and show them as
Speaker 2: much love as we feel, because there's nothing fake about that,
Speaker 2: you know what I'm saying. So all right, without further,
Speaker 2: let's put it together. Yeah, and no, even before you
Speaker 2: put your hands together, let me just describe this all right.
Speaker 2: So you you know, you head up to Massachusetts and
Speaker 2: you you go to the Turtle Boy party and you
Speaker 2: really don't know anybody, and a lot of these people
Speaker 2: know each other and they recognize each other and then
Speaker 2: someone comes and says hello and shakes your hand and
Speaker 2: kind of like introduce you around. So while I was there,
Speaker 2: I met a lot of stars, you know, I mean
Speaker 2: stars that are at these standouts that are going and
Speaker 2: tweeting and bringing all these justic topics that Turtle Boys started.
Speaker 2: They're they're they're keeping it going and keeping that inertia
Speaker 2: and that momentum going. And so there's a lot of
Speaker 2: stars there. But the biggest star that I met is
Speaker 2: this young lady right here. We're talking about be a.
Speaker 3: Dance put your hands together for Beatreans?
Speaker 4: Hello?
Speaker 5: Hello?
Speaker 2: Can I get him for Beatrice? Please? Yeah? Sorry, I
Speaker 2: had to do it to you, home girl.
Speaker 5: It's all good, all right?
Speaker 2: Uh? And so you know, you you you've been doing this,
Speaker 2: you know you've you've met this young lady. How did
Speaker 2: you meet Jen? How did this come about?
Speaker 4: So?
Speaker 5: I men Jene at a Karen Read standout. She was
Speaker 5: I was, you know, I showed up with my sign
Speaker 5: ready to show some support, and this really nice person
Speaker 5: named Jen was there with her sign that said they
Speaker 5: can't investigate themselves. And she was very welcoming and she
Speaker 5: told me she you know, she said, have you heard
Speaker 5: about Justin route? And I said, I mean, like, I
Speaker 5: feel like I vaguely remembered the situation. But she opened
Speaker 5: up her heart to me and told me everything, and
Speaker 5: it was very touching and it.
Speaker 4: Was very moving.
Speaker 2: Obviously I could tell, like, uh, it's pretty obvious to
Speaker 2: me how moved you are by Jen Justin in his story.
Speaker 2: It's apparent to me because you are like, we gonna
Speaker 2: make this episode happen, like post haste djor like yeah, okay,
Speaker 2: you got it. Man, it's got me a new program director.
Speaker 2: So no and uh and then you gave me Jen's
Speaker 2: information and we began to text and then voicemail and
Speaker 2: all that kind of stuff. Of course I try to
Speaker 2: call it. She be like, man, who is this bald
Speaker 2: ass call me? But anyway, alright, so we're gonna we're
Speaker 2: gonna get into it. So Jen, I've listened to her,
Speaker 2: and one of the things that you figure out is
Speaker 2: she's rather, let's say, on point, she knows what's going on.
Speaker 2: She's analyzed everything that's happened down to uh the nth degree.
Speaker 2: And I will tell you that if you are on
Speaker 2: the other side of this lady.
Speaker 6: You ain't gonna get nothing past her. I can guarantee
Speaker 6: that that is folk. You know, I'm talking about to
Speaker 6: put your hands together.
Speaker 2: But justin root, sister yet, can I get up?
Speaker 4: Amen?
Speaker 2: Welcome And this is the kind of clapping I did
Speaker 2: when you guys weren't even on air when she just
Speaker 2: came on the screen. So welcome, man, it's great. It's
Speaker 2: an honor to have you here, that you would share
Speaker 2: your story with us. We will get serious now. We
Speaker 2: do sort of kind of think of like an electrical
Speaker 2: sign wave, you know, alternating current goes up and down beaches,
Speaker 2: Like yeah, man, I'm an electrical engineering shut up. But anyway,
Speaker 2: so so yeah, so we do. You know, we do
Speaker 2: joke around a little bit, but we realize that these
Speaker 2: are extreme. Hey, and there's my COEs for this weekend.
Speaker 2: Brid happens. What's up? Home girl, Tima is in the house, Tricia,
Speaker 2: my Justice.
Speaker 4: Sistan, my Justice peeps. What's going on?
Speaker 2: Welcome everybody, Welcome everybody, and my homeye Reality Check is like,
Speaker 2: you know, like what happens here? You know what what happened?
Speaker 2: You know? So I want to start off with I'll
Speaker 2: take the first question. Then we'll let we'll alternate and
Speaker 2: we'll get my my co host Beatrice in here. What
Speaker 2: do you What was the relationship between you and Justin?
Speaker 2: How many years differences there between you? What was your relationship?
Speaker 4: Like, I'm so Justin was my younger brother. We did
Speaker 4: have a half brother, we never grew up with him,
Speaker 4: So Justin was my younger brother. But as he got older,
Speaker 4: right he became like six one or so or six two,
Speaker 4: I used to be like, you're my little big brother
Speaker 4: because he would give me the biggest bear cubs, you
Speaker 4: know what I mean. I'm like, all right, but this
Speaker 4: is my little brother. You're always gonna be my little brother.
Speaker 4: So we up together in Jamaica plane and in Brookline.
Speaker 4: We spent a lot of years in Brookline, So where
Speaker 4: he was killed, we actually used to run through that
Speaker 4: parking lot to movie theater together. So to know that
Speaker 4: that's where he took his last breaths is pretty like surreal.
Speaker 4: It's a surreal thing. Yeah. So anyway, we were close
Speaker 4: and I was like his protector, and I really took
Speaker 4: on the rule of like, you know, taking care of
Speaker 4: him and bringing him to my friend's birthday parties, going
Speaker 4: home after school because I needed to, you know, someone
Speaker 4: needed to be there. And so anyway, now i'm his, uh,
Speaker 4: you know, person on this side to help raise awareness
Speaker 4: and wake people up.
Speaker 2: As you were into it. I'm sorry, I did I
Speaker 2: mean interrupt? Man, Please continue, No, you go ahead. As
Speaker 2: you were as you got older, you know, what was
Speaker 2: your relationship like as you got older?
Speaker 4: So you know, I had kids, so you know, he
Speaker 4: didn't have kids, so it got a little different. But
Speaker 4: we spent holidays together. We were always texting with each other,
Speaker 4: and we would see each other and I obviously you know,
Speaker 4: it was his birthday. Holidays, he would come over and
Speaker 4: play ping pong with my boys, and he would always
Speaker 4: be that person if he needed stuff moved, he was
Speaker 4: your guy. I needed to go to the airport and
Speaker 4: drop her whole family off. I mean, my kids were like,
Speaker 4: who's taking us to the airport now? And you know,
Speaker 4: he was just always there for those types of things.
Speaker 2: Awesome and he Yeah, I listened to the video you
Speaker 2: sent me, and very heartfelt very thoughtful kind of a guy.
Speaker 2: Let me let let me let my homegirl get in
Speaker 2: here and be Atrice my closed. See if you're not
Speaker 2: ready and I can keep going.
Speaker 5: Man, you're just warming up here.
Speaker 2: Man's announce.
Speaker 4: Let's announce the exciting, the exciting.
Speaker 5: News, the exciting news. So two weeks from today, Wednesday,
Speaker 5: November thirteenth, we're going to have a standout at DA
Speaker 5: Michael Morrissey's office. This is you know, a collaboration with
Speaker 5: Sander Birchmore Free, Karen reid Enriquel Gardo Garcia and of
Speaker 5: course justin Route. So we're very excited to come together
Speaker 5: and you know, get out there and show show some love.
Speaker 4: Show some unity, show solidarity that we're all not going anywhere,
Speaker 4: and we just we see the group getting larger and
Speaker 4: larger and larger. For anybody who's like listening and watching
Speaker 4: right now and you're in Massachusetts, we are so welcoming.
Speaker 4: I mean I have met the most awesome people and
Speaker 4: so it's just come up to one of us. We're
Speaker 4: happy to be like, hey, what's your name and start
Speaker 4: introducing you to people, and you know there's a real community.
Speaker 2: I can second that that motion not only did I
Speaker 2: go to school in Massachusetts at the amazing Dean College,
Speaker 2: but coming back there and then going to this event
Speaker 2: where I didn't know anybody and like everybody was quite welcoming,
Speaker 2: you know. I mean, like I said, there's a lot
Speaker 2: of The biggest star was Beatrice, but she wasn't the
Speaker 2: only star. There's other stars there. Turtle Boy was there too.
Speaker 2: So but let's say a couple of people in the
Speaker 2: chat and we want to make sure we acknowledge the homies,
Speaker 2: so SDS I can.
Speaker 4: Say everyone, it's two weeks from today. So it's November thirteenth,
Speaker 4: from two pm to five pm at Michael Morrissey's office,
Speaker 4: which is Shawma. I think it's forty five, Shama wrote
Speaker 4: in Canton and.
Speaker 2: So figure.
Speaker 4: And you know what, there'll be lots of extra signs
Speaker 4: and we are definitely producing a lot of signs that
Speaker 4: have everyone's picture on it. But I would just say come.
Speaker 2: On down, meatball morrisey, make sure you bring your Italian
Speaker 2: bread and just so it's a little low carb, kind
Speaker 2: of pull out the center before you load the meatballs
Speaker 2: in there. But we got a couple of people for
Speaker 2: Sunday's roundtable that are here Jason is here. Good evening, Jason.
Speaker 2: It's first time we've had him in the chat. He
Speaker 2: and I just met and honored that he's going to
Speaker 2: come on. ST's here. Who introduced actually Beatrice introduced me
Speaker 2: to SD Tima. Do you know her? All right? Cool?
Speaker 2: Is that him or her? Him?
Speaker 4: Tim? Yeah? Tim, I actually drove my dad home from
Speaker 4: the stand up that we had a couple of.
Speaker 2: Yeah, hey, welcome Tim. I. I don't know if you've been here,
Speaker 2: but one says Karen has court on AM that day
Speaker 2: for dad's phone records. Oh, that would be dope man.
Speaker 2: Yeah and yeah. So they're basically they're going to be
Speaker 2: you know, speaking of somebody really who could connect with
Speaker 2: the Garcias, the Delgatto Garcia family. I think that would
Speaker 2: be Beatrice, uh, because it doesn't seem like, you know
Speaker 2: what I mean, like, boy, do they need somebody to
Speaker 2: help them out because they're just not I feel so
Speaker 2: bad they're not getting enough traction on their case, much
Speaker 2: like you know, Justin's case. With that, my friend, could
Speaker 2: you briefly go through just the the overarching elements of
Speaker 2: what happened and then we're kind of kind of dig
Speaker 2: into where things were right and where things went wrong,
Speaker 2: and then we're going to sort of culminate with where
Speaker 2: we can go from here. So let's let's start with
Speaker 2: kind of what happened, if you would.
Speaker 4: Yes, and I'll just give kind of more of an overview,
Speaker 4: won't get too into details, but this, you know, if
Speaker 4: I only had three minutes to tell you what was
Speaker 4: going on, that's that's kind of where I'm going to
Speaker 4: go with this. Justin suffered from mental illness and he
Speaker 4: was down amongst four other mental health facilities right there,
Speaker 4: and one of them, which is mass Mental Health, where
Speaker 4: he went. He had a conversation with a security guard
Speaker 4: from Brigham which ended with, you know, them shaking hands.
Speaker 4: My brother put out his hand and they shook hands.
Speaker 4: My brother never had threatened that officer, never had taken
Speaker 4: out his clear plastic pink ball gun which is ginormous
Speaker 4: with a chimney on it. So that security guard made
Speaker 4: some calls, didn't say some things, or you know, he
Speaker 4: added some things. Let's just say that it wasn't communicated
Speaker 4: the way that it should have been and things that
Speaker 4: he should have been set. So the Boston police arrived,
Speaker 4: this one officer just went right up to Justin and anyway,
Speaker 4: he had his gun out, and then Justin took out
Speaker 4: his clear plastic paintball gun. He yelled on with law enforcement.
Speaker 4: I'm with law enforcement. This particular officer. I always liked
Speaker 4: to just stress that he was even working a detailed
Speaker 4: at rigam of the night before, he does tons of
Speaker 4: details in that area. He's very he should know the
Speaker 4: people who walk around that area. So Justin ended up
Speaker 4: getting shot. There was about fifteen bullet shot down there.
Speaker 4: He limped to his car, drove away slowly. One officer
Speaker 4: on Huntington NAV decided to do a pit maneuver where
Speaker 4: it's you take your car and you smash it. So yeah,
Speaker 4: he then just took off from there. Meanwhile, he's bleeding out,
Speaker 4: so he bled out about two thousand se seeds of
Speaker 4: blood in his car. So he went down Route nine.
Speaker 4: They chased him. He crashed at a high speed. Wheels
Speaker 4: came off his car. He then kind of fell out
Speaker 4: of his car. I was holding his chest because when
Speaker 4: you lose that much blood you can go into cardiac arrest.
Speaker 4: That he was clutching his chest and then he collapsed
Speaker 4: on the sidewalk. And meanwhile there happened to be an
Speaker 4: EMT train certified woman in her car who was waiting.
Speaker 4: She was waiting for her own doctor's appointment there. She
Speaker 4: saw this and saw him, and when he got up again,
Speaker 4: she was running towards him, and he went into the
Speaker 4: mulch area and dropped and she was then right at
Speaker 4: his side. So she has a lot of details of
Speaker 4: just the horrific condition that he was in and that
Speaker 4: he was saturated with blood, like she was looking for
Speaker 4: a stick to open his jacket. Wow, totally completely out
Speaker 4: of it, eyes rolling in the back of his head, gurgling.
Speaker 4: You not good. So she was confused because she's like, wait,
Speaker 4: I thought this was an accident. I don't think it
Speaker 4: was a heart attack, and now it was all his blood.
Speaker 4: But while that was all happening, and this all happened
Speaker 4: very fast, all these officers started running with their guns.
Speaker 4: They told her to run. She ran, and one officer
Speaker 4: kicked them and then from pretty much being almost on
Speaker 4: top of him, it looks like and appears pictures, and
Speaker 4: I would say that they're probably right because it's a
Speaker 4: very small mult area. They unloaded thirty one bullets and
Speaker 4: afterwards that same officer from Boston who was the closest
Speaker 4: to him in Brookline. He said, I killed the mother
Speaker 4: f and I emptied my magazine on him. He also
Speaker 4: lied about his body worn camera, and there's footage of
Speaker 4: him taking it off and throwing it into his cruiser.
Speaker 4: And he also had someone else's department issue firearm. There's
Speaker 4: just a lot, you know. Anyway, that's the gist of.
Speaker 2: The gist of what happened.
Speaker 4: Of what happened.
Speaker 2: I wanted to mention to the people in the chat,
Speaker 2: what are you going to do is I'm going to
Speaker 2: star your chats and then we're, uh, we're going to
Speaker 2: get to them and let's actually, you know, let me
Speaker 2: see if we can get to them now. So then there,
Speaker 2: because people are here, I don't want to wait.
Speaker 4: You know. What I forgot to say is that he
Speaker 4: had nothing in his hands when he was shot. And
Speaker 4: we know that because he had four shots to his
Speaker 4: right hand, one of which that went through, okay.
Speaker 2: And that would that would be the indication, that would
Speaker 2: have been the indication that he's not a threat at
Speaker 2: that point. So that's all I mean.
Speaker 4: If you're covered in blood and you're on the ground
Speaker 4: and this woman is literally at his side and she's
Speaker 4: not afraid. You can't be, you know, offices with guns
Speaker 4: and tell me that you're afraid, because that's zero sense.
Speaker 4: And the other part is obviously, I think not obviously.
Speaker 4: The Norfolk District Attorney Office Michael Morrissey concluded their investigation
Speaker 4: in thirty days. A lot of the same exact investigators
Speaker 4: who are in the officer John O'Keefe's case and also
Speaker 4: Sander Birchmoorre's case, you name it, Proctor Fanning, Buchanick, they're
Speaker 4: all they're all in it. Okay. So you know what
Speaker 4: I have issue with is they're holy inadequate investigations, you know,
Speaker 4: and police are some sort of law enforcement officer is
Speaker 4: involved with the death. Norfolk District Attorney's Office comes in
Speaker 4: and look.
Speaker 2: You're screwed. You're screwed. Well, we're gonna we're gonna get
Speaker 2: to some of these details and then we'll try to
Speaker 2: commingle this with Roger Fortson. And so for those of
Speaker 2: you who are listening right now before we get to
Speaker 2: the chat, and this is the reason why, is because
Speaker 2: Sheriff Eric Aiden in Oklahoosa County, Florida did it right.
Speaker 2: There was a sheriff that came to the door of
Speaker 2: Senior Airman Roger Fortson from my former duty station, Herbert Field,
Speaker 2: fourth Special Operation Squadron gunner and he's banging on the
Speaker 2: guy's door like he's pounding on a drug den somewhere
Speaker 2: in Cartagena. And he, uh, when the kid comes to
Speaker 2: the door, he doesn't know who's at the door. He
Speaker 2: has a firearm in nine mile pointed at the ground
Speaker 2: and you know, tape it basically taped to it. As
Speaker 2: soon as this guy opens the door, sees wep and
Speaker 2: he goes step back and he just fires six shots
Speaker 2: into the kids chest and then says, drop the gun.
Speaker 2: And the kids on the floor, gone, dude, I dropped
Speaker 2: the gun as he's got you know, holes in him.
Speaker 2: So what happened? Okloosa County sheriffs the next day they
Speaker 2: fired Deputy Eddie Durant, and like a day after that
Speaker 2: they arrested Deputy Eddie Durant on charges of manslaughter. So
Speaker 2: that's how it's supposed to be done. Uh that what
Speaker 2: what Sheriff Eric Ayden did you know? I mean, it
Speaker 2: was very very very very quick and now of course
Speaker 2: he's in jail awaiting trial on these charges. So uh,
Speaker 2: let's get to what's going on in the chat here.
Speaker 2: So let's get to oh from Jason. Wait, let's let
Speaker 2: Beatrice read this man. Go ahead, home girl.
Speaker 5: This one says Jen, My heart is with you. The
Speaker 5: courage that it takes for you to recount this story
Speaker 5: is amazing. I am so proud of you.
Speaker 2: I must day badass woman and nothing getting by her.
Speaker 2: Okay from my homie reality check, also known as participate
Speaker 2: and speculate, which is what we love doing. Go ahead
Speaker 2: with this one. Please at calling.
Speaker 5: All beings have they contacted ACLU.
Speaker 4: So we had a representation pretty much from the get
Speaker 4: go and the ACLU, which actually this is an interesting
Speaker 4: story that nobody knows about. It turned out at that
Speaker 4: time for the ACL Massachusetts, they're head of marketing. I
Speaker 4: ended up sending an email just to be like, hey,
Speaker 4: do you guys have any ideas of like people I
Speaker 4: could contact or reach? And He's like, I knew justin
Speaker 4: he and I used to make music together. Wow, Wow,
Speaker 4: are you serious? I mean he's just recently left there,
Speaker 4: but I just thought that the connection is just you realize,
Speaker 4: you know the world is.
Speaker 2: Small, serendipitous to say the least, especially if he could
Speaker 2: influence on them taking on his you know, his case
Speaker 2: in any form, any any manner.
Speaker 4: And I wish that the a c l U would
Speaker 4: write an ami kiss brief for our filing with the
Speaker 4: United States Supreme Court. But that's you know, something that
Speaker 4: they have to decide.
Speaker 2: Yeah, that that that bears more, uh, you know, because
Speaker 2: maybe maybe there can be some advocacy on that on
Speaker 2: that that front as well as in addition, to meet
Speaker 2: Paul Morrisey again, make sure to bring your bread hollow
Speaker 2: at the center and will bring a bag of Parmesan
Speaker 2: chiefs to sprinkle there. Yes, it's is from Spanish, Harlem,
Speaker 2: you know what I'm talking about, Jen.
Speaker 4: Talking about.
Speaker 2: I know Giuliani used to have a table every Friday night.
Speaker 2: So anyway, Hey, I just.
Speaker 4: Want to tell you too, everybody. These officers were interviewed
Speaker 4: five days after they killed Justin, and most of them
Speaker 4: met as a group before they were even interviewed.
Speaker 2: Oh you're kidding. They didn't separate, no divide and conquer
Speaker 2: and put them in separate, putting.
Speaker 4: Them sticky all the way down.
Speaker 2: Yeah, why isn't the surprising? Would you please do the honors,
Speaker 2: Miss Beatrice?
Speaker 5: Sure it defies logic that a cop of twenty nine
Speaker 5: years would run up to someone if they truly believed
Speaker 5: they were armed.
Speaker 4: Yeah, yeah, I know they're training everything that they're taught.
Speaker 4: And if you really truly believe someone is, you know,
Speaker 4: has a firearm, that is not what you do.
Speaker 2: I don't know what this. I don't know. I'm not
Speaker 2: sure what to tim saying here.
Speaker 4: You must be talking to somebody.
Speaker 5: That was a private chat.
Speaker 2: Yeah apparently so, and we'll get back to Uh yeah,
Speaker 2: put something in all caps if you will, if you
Speaker 2: want me.
Speaker 4: That's right.
Speaker 2: Okay, here's something right here. Uh. This one needs someone
Speaker 2: who speaks far better than I, so we better get beat.
Speaker 5: All right, let's go. The Norfolk d A and the
Speaker 5: MSP Detachment have two different standards of investigation, depending on
Speaker 5: whether a law enforcement officer faces potential liability in a case.
Speaker 2: Yeah yeah, so if it's Brian Walsh, you know they're
Speaker 2: going to do things correctly. That's why I would never
Speaker 2: Oh and look who's here.
Speaker 3: Missy in the Izzy like Fin Lizzy.
Speaker 4: I'm Missy. We're super excited to be coming together and
Speaker 4: you know this is what it's going to take to
Speaker 4: really put some big spotlights on Morrissey and let all
Speaker 4: those people inside there. No, we're we're going nowhere.
Speaker 2: Yeah, And I refuse to give them the grace to
Speaker 2: say that they are incompetent, or that it was a
Speaker 2: shoddy investigation or things were missed. You don't miss thirty
Speaker 2: thousand text messages between you know, Sandra Birchmore and Matt Farwell,
Speaker 2: you don't. These things are all calculated and done by design.
Speaker 2: And I will not give them the grace of saying
Speaker 2: they made a mistake. Everything did it was purposeful and
Speaker 2: with a plan, and was tactical. And even we can
Speaker 2: go to a larger level, because what's larger than tactical,
Speaker 2: it's strategic, you know. Tactical is I might not take
Speaker 2: photos of the tail light. Strategic is In the end,
Speaker 2: I want to frame Karen Reid, you know. So, so
Speaker 2: we're gonna get to these finer points of Now, all right,
Speaker 2: I want to go back to Oh there's something here,
Speaker 2: let's go to this one. These people are coming up
Speaker 2: with good stuff, so I can't get all right, go ahead, ma'am,
Speaker 2: all right.
Speaker 5: So let's see. He freaking fell down trying to run
Speaker 5: away when the AMT saw him and said he had
Speaker 5: no weapon.
Speaker 2: H That's like, yeah, that's like come on, man, and
Speaker 2: this one here, So we'll get you. We'll get to
Speaker 2: you next. Britt Happens, co host for the next show
Speaker 2: that we're having. Okay, so my question is the officer
Speaker 2: I want to go back to the officer that he
Speaker 2: interacted with a Brigham and was a Brigham and women's
Speaker 2: were okay, So where what happened in between he interacting
Speaker 2: with that officer and then that officer calling this into BPD.
Speaker 2: So because I want to kind of go some point
Speaker 2: by point.
Speaker 4: Here, So the Brigham security guard that he had spoke
Speaker 4: with and like shook hands with, uh, he's the one
Speaker 4: who called.
Speaker 2: His uh you know, control center and center and it's.
Speaker 4: The command center that then called BPD. So there was
Speaker 4: and I can't get way into like everything was said
Speaker 4: because of pending litigation. Sure, but you know things things
Speaker 4: should have been said or not said. That's with that.
Speaker 4: So what else can I tell.
Speaker 2: You pending litigation? Maybe you can expound upon that. What
Speaker 2: does that mean?
Speaker 4: It means that I had that there's a current pending
Speaker 4: lawsuit with against It has to do with the estate
Speaker 4: of justin Route and Brigham and Women's.
Speaker 2: Oh against okay, against the security apparatus at the hospital, yes, okay,
Speaker 2: all right, not shut my damn mouth.
Speaker 4: And that only actually that only occurred because the person, Oh,
Speaker 4: I didn't mention this, and this is kind of a
Speaker 4: big deal because you know, fifteen votes were flying around
Speaker 4: and ricocheting, and actually one of those hit the ballet
Speaker 4: and I forgot about name Justin by the way, Justin
Speaker 4: and his family's from Ashland and my dad's family's from Ashland.
Speaker 4: I mean, you can't make this stuff up. I mean
Speaker 4: it just I remember my friends, like, you know, the
Speaker 4: vallet's name is Justin, and I'm like what, But anyway,
Speaker 4: he got hit in the head, and uh, he survived,
Speaker 4: but he has long you know, long term like forever injuries.
Speaker 4: And he was doing the hospital and Justin's estate and
Speaker 4: it looks like Boston police settled or the city of
Speaker 4: Boston settled with him for the max amount of one
Speaker 4: hundred thousand. And then during that a deeper look into
Speaker 4: Boston is when I started to know a lot more
Speaker 4: about what happened in more detail. And then I said, okay,
Speaker 4: well we got to people need to be held accountable,
Speaker 4: and people need to also make changes, because ain't no
Speaker 4: changes happened since then?
Speaker 2: Say say it again, girlfriend, ain't.
Speaker 4: No changes since it happened back then?
Speaker 2: Not okay, Now I gotta shut my big trapper and
Speaker 2: let my get up in there.
Speaker 4: I just threw that in there for you later on
Speaker 4: I through my British accent.
Speaker 2: You were so much fun, man, you know that. I
Speaker 2: mean we're here talking about.
Speaker 4: I worked at Disney Radio station and one time I
Speaker 4: had to do the commercial how is the Glenda the Good?
Speaker 4: Which Oh it was so much fun.
Speaker 2: Yeah, I know.
Speaker 4: I used to go, this is great.
Speaker 2: See. I just want to say, you come and calling
Speaker 2: all beings. You're gonna have fun even when we're talking
Speaker 2: about tragedy, you know, because we got to. I've got
Speaker 2: to let it go. Man, all right, let me get
Speaker 2: my home girl in here.
Speaker 5: Yes, I do have a question for Jen. So I
Speaker 5: was actually looking up last night Continuum of Force, and
Speaker 5: my question to you was, did you ever find out
Speaker 5: if the police used any de escalation tactics? You know,
Speaker 5: because actually one of the things that I research is
Speaker 5: that Boston PD has you know, there are certain parameters,
Speaker 5: like if there's a mental crisis, there's certain de escalation
Speaker 5: that they should have attempted to do before obviously using
Speaker 5: deadly force, because it just seems that with proper training
Speaker 5: for our officers, with proper de escalation tactics, that maybe
Speaker 5: this could have been avoided.
Speaker 4: Oh yes, this could definitely have been avoided. There was
Speaker 4: essentially no de escalation. If anything, they escalated every step
Speaker 4: of the way. A lot of people don't know what
Speaker 4: the state trooper that you know jumped in the last
Speaker 4: few seconds, he had also a taser, you know, and
Speaker 4: also the one that kicked him. He could have apprehended him.
Speaker 4: But see, I think Justin was covered in so much
Speaker 4: blood he was like, Eh, I'm not going to be talking,
Speaker 4: I'm not going to be touching him. So yes, there
Speaker 4: is and that's what's really concerning. And I know that,
Speaker 4: you know, from a deep dive with Boston Police. I
Speaker 4: know they killed another mentally ill manned named Terence Coleman,
Speaker 4: and their family just had a settlement with them. And
Speaker 4: it's one of the reasons I think anyway, from looking
Speaker 4: at all the legal documents, is that Boston police had
Speaker 4: in twenty ten or twenty twelve, they had done an EDP,
Speaker 4: which is emotionally disturbed person and had actually, ay are
Speaker 4: something some sort of you know, written up, but they
Speaker 4: never implemented it, and so Terence Coleman dies, Hey a
Speaker 4: few years later, justin Route dies. You know, I don't
Speaker 4: see that policy on their website, so you know, who
Speaker 4: knows if it's ever going to be implemented. And that's
Speaker 4: horrifying because they really, you know, this day and age,
Speaker 4: there's a lot going on and you know, wait, I'm
Speaker 4: going to go on a tangent for a second. Can
Speaker 4: I do that? The one of the things is is
Speaker 4: that officers like this is a big burden for them too.
Speaker 4: And that's one of the reasons why I got so
Speaker 4: involved with trying to pass the Medical Civil Rights Act
Speaker 4: in Massachusetts, which is, if someone is experiencing an emergency crisis,
Speaker 4: whether that be a diabetic shock, a stroke, whatever it
Speaker 4: may be, you call EMS and you get them help
Speaker 4: because we shouldn't officers shouldn't be standing there like trying
Speaker 4: to decide is this an emergency or not medical? That's
Speaker 4: for EMS to decide. And so it's unfortunate that our
Speaker 4: legislators haven't prioritized that, But they did prioritize the Nero's
Speaker 4: Law which is emergency medical care for a police dog.
Speaker 4: So they certainly can do it for human beings.
Speaker 2: Yeah, just the part of that that's important is police dog.
Speaker 2: Because if it was just your dog or my dog,
Speaker 2: they you know, maybe don't care. But because it's yeah,
Speaker 2: police dog. The word police. And I've said this over
Speaker 2: and over and I'm going to say it on this
Speaker 2: show about the Blue backing the Blue in terms of whatever.
Speaker 2: If I do something illegal, I'm backing them. If they
Speaker 2: do something immoral, I'm backing them. If they commit a crime,
Speaker 2: I'm backing them. If they kill somebody, I'm backing them.
Speaker 2: So I want to make this analogy and I'm going
Speaker 2: to do it again for the tenth straight show. And
Speaker 2: I'm kidding. It's not that many. The Navies see even
Speaker 2: more danger in combat than most officers see when they're
Speaker 2: on the ground and they're going and going, hitting high
Speaker 2: value targets, performing direct action hits on terraces and so
Speaker 2: forth on the ground in Afghanistana Rock the guys who
Speaker 2: dimed out Chief Eddie Gallagher, I'm talking about Navy Chief
Speaker 2: Eddie Gallagher were seals and what they died. One of
Speaker 2: the things that I haven't seen all the charges against
Speaker 2: Eddie Gallagher, but one of the things that they dined
Speaker 2: him out about is they had captured a fifteen year
Speaker 2: old insurgent and he shot and killed the kid, and
Speaker 2: that violates the law of armed conflict and the Geneva
Speaker 2: Conventions and what we stand for. So this I'm gonna
Speaker 2: say it again, everybody, I want you to listen real closely.
Speaker 2: If you're a police officer and you're listening to this,
Speaker 2: because we know that the most of you are not
Speaker 2: the ones doing this. The majority of you are upholding
Speaker 2: the law, that swore an oath, that puts your hand
Speaker 2: over your heart, and that believe in following the law,
Speaker 2: upholding the law, keeping the peace. Uh, And so we
Speaker 2: love and respect you guys. These are the few that
Speaker 2: we're talking about, not the minority of police officers that
Speaker 2: are doing this, not the majority. But I'm speaking to
Speaker 2: you who are the minority or who are friends with them.
Speaker 2: Is that these guys did the right thing. They went
Speaker 2: and they dimed out Chief Gallagher, somebody they served with
Speaker 2: on team and said no, like, I can't deploy this
Speaker 2: guy because I don't know what innocent person this dude's
Speaker 2: gonna pop next or execute. And that's the way you
Speaker 2: do it. You follow the law and you uphold the
Speaker 2: law you show me and the rest of us in
Speaker 2: terms of civil law and when it comes to military
Speaker 2: law law on complict Geneva conventions. I've had to uphold
Speaker 2: those myself on a dozen deployments that I've had, literally
Speaker 2: four deployments. I didn't even have a uniform. I was
Speaker 2: over there in civilian clothes, but foul the rules and
Speaker 2: the regulations in law. And that's what you guys need
Speaker 2: to do is be the example for us. Okay. And
Speaker 2: that's what the Seals did when they dimed out Eddie Gallagher, okay.
Speaker 2: And that's what you saw Sheriff Eric Aiden do when
Speaker 2: he had he had arrested Eddie Durant because he shot
Speaker 2: and killed the sermons. Guy's legally allowed to open his
Speaker 2: door with a firearm. It's legal in Florida. He legally
Speaker 2: owned a fire even pointed at you. He's pointing it
Speaker 2: at the floor. So if you're that damn scared, maybe
Speaker 2: you're in the wrong business man, you know what I mean,
Speaker 2: Maybe you're in the wrong business. It's like going it's
Speaker 2: like saying, yeah, I want to be an infantryman. You
Speaker 2: go into combat and then first contact with the enemy,
Speaker 2: you're like, oh my god, i'd you know, I'm scared.
Speaker 2: I'm terrified. Well then maybe you shouldn't have joined the army.
Speaker 2: I mean, that's the job, man, there's you know, that's
Speaker 2: the job.
Speaker 5: And to piggyback off of that, what I wanted to
Speaker 5: say is, you know, when the police use deadly force,
Speaker 5: they're the ones who write the reports, collect the evidence,
Speaker 5: and that's the evidence that's given to the d DA's office.
Speaker 5: This is not transparency or impartial, that's right, right you.
Speaker 2: So this is something that Jenn's been saying. We can't
Speaker 2: investigate ourselves. And there's problem is I'm sorry, go ahead,
Speaker 2: my god. Harah, way to the show again, Harah, say
Speaker 2: hello to everybody.
Speaker 4: Hello. I'm sure one of mine's gonna start scratching at
Speaker 4: my door soon. And sometimes they like pound and jump
Speaker 4: and pound.
Speaker 2: She has a habit of invading the show and this
Speaker 2: is unacceptable. Harah. Okay, you're not getting wrecked. I'm just kidding.
Speaker 2: You're gonna get breakfast because you're to make me give
Speaker 2: you breakfast anyway.
Speaker 4: So I always say that, you know, you know obvious
Speaker 4: you know, I've been in this fight for almost five years.
Speaker 4: I've learned a lot. I also am very laser focused
Speaker 4: on they cannot investigate themselves. If I have like ten
Speaker 4: seconds with you and you want me to like, the
Speaker 4: biggest messages is that they can't investigate themselves. I didn't
Speaker 4: know the level in which they get involved until this
Speaker 4: happened to Justin and started looking at how they did
Speaker 4: the interviews and how they do leading questions, and how
Speaker 4: they didn't ask how Justin's condition was, knowing that he
Speaker 4: had already been shot probably multiple times in Boston. You know,
Speaker 4: where is the really the like looking for the truth
Speaker 4: and then what happens? Right? So for me, I'm like, oh,
Speaker 4: they put up the oneself serving narrative, they do the investigation,
Speaker 4: they give us the evidence that they want us to have.
Speaker 2: I'm saying absolutely. I mean that's what we've.
Speaker 4: Got videos, We've got skiff in videos. And you know what,
Speaker 4: I also want to say, these cases like Officer John O'Keeffe,
Speaker 4: Sander Birchmore and Justin happened in a span of twenty
Speaker 4: four months, folks, and it's the same investigators, same da
Speaker 4: not Okay, it's pathetic the level of investigation, like what
Speaker 4: they did. I don't even call it an investigation. I
Speaker 4: always do with the quotes because I'm like quote investigation,
Speaker 4: because I'm.
Speaker 2: Like, right, it's a fun, fun novel.
Speaker 4: That's not what they're there for. And our tax dollars
Speaker 4: are paying for this, and this is the thing. If
Speaker 4: you don't hold them accountable, then you know.
Speaker 2: What it will.
Speaker 4: It's going to happen. What else They'll be down the road.
Speaker 2: I mean, there there will be another just time, there
Speaker 2: will be another Karen, there will be another Sandra, because
Speaker 2: it's just going to take enough time to pass by
Speaker 2: one of them say oh, we could get over on
Speaker 2: this young teenage girl and nobody's gonna know. And I'll
Speaker 2: do it off duty and then and uh or I'll
Speaker 2: pretend I'm on duty. Whatever they're gonna do, it's gonna
Speaker 2: happen again. I just want to say something to Harrow
Speaker 2: right here. There's a reason I didn't send you the
Speaker 2: streamyard link. I sent it to Beatrice and Jen. You
Speaker 2: were not You were not invited to the show by design.
Speaker 2: She's gotten better. I mean, she's used to like dominate
Speaker 2: every aspect of all the pets in the house, now
Speaker 2: she's she's becoming a little bit more of an.
Speaker 4: Adult, but big mistakes.
Speaker 2: We're done with her for the night. No stream yard
Speaker 2: link for you. All right, let's uh, let's go back.
Speaker 2: So we have a couple of we have a couple
Speaker 2: of stars, and then we gotta work our way down.
Speaker 2: So if we could have someone who has a great
Speaker 2: speaking voice.
Speaker 5: Why can't we get next Netflix involved to do a documentary?
Speaker 4: Good question, Well, I'm not sure if that's actually even
Speaker 4: like the status. I did talk with someone who does
Speaker 4: a lot of interviews with press for you know, quotes
Speaker 4: from previous law enforcement officers, and I did get some
Speaker 4: contact info. I just haven't had time to reach out
Speaker 4: because for me, the biggest thing has always been about
Speaker 4: telling the truth, having the truth told, but also unifying
Speaker 4: with these other groups that are representing these victims, because
Speaker 4: that's where the power is, that's where the energy is
Speaker 4: going to come in, and that's where we actually are like, no,
Speaker 4: we are not. You are not continuing on like this
Speaker 4: no matter what.
Speaker 2: You know what I'm saying and towards this effort that
Speaker 2: that we're about to do. On eleven thirteen, also known
Speaker 2: as November thirteen, can I get hey, man, because Jason's
Speaker 2: going to be.
Speaker 4: Get outraged, come down and join us. They're just gonna
Speaker 4: take all of us. We got no time for any
Speaker 4: type of drama, for any type of whatever, because that's
Speaker 4: what they want. I'm like laser focused. I'm like, no drama.
Speaker 4: We are there for a mission. I don't care, Like,
Speaker 4: why don't we get into politics. I don't want to
Speaker 4: get into like we just want Morrissey and all those
Speaker 4: fake investigators out out yeah out.
Speaker 2: No, absolutely, And I think I'm gonna do a show.
Speaker 2: I think, I said Friday night, I'll do a show
Speaker 2: to address the drama and kind of at least give
Speaker 2: some tools that have worked for me on dealing with
Speaker 2: as I. As I coined it, maybe not very definitly
Speaker 2: today with Beatrice, swagger Jack and trolls. You're supposed to
Speaker 2: laugh at that one.
Speaker 4: Jen. Sorry, anyway, I got into like I'm sorry, I
Speaker 4: got into fight mode. I was like, I'm ready to
Speaker 4: be like right, yeah, I wasn't ready for I wasn't
Speaker 4: ready for going on that little all.
Speaker 2: Right, Okay, it's tough crowd here, but Missy was pointing
Speaker 2: out what you pointed out right here. Twenty four months
Speaker 2: three murders. All three cases were covered up and at
Speaker 2: least man we got to figure out how many officers
Speaker 2: I know there was at least Fanning was, you know,
Speaker 2: I don't know if Fanning was involved in Karen Reid.
Speaker 2: Is he can he be tied to all through three
Speaker 2: cases or no? Anybody know John Fanning.
Speaker 4: I don't really know that Fanning was the lead investigator
Speaker 4: for Sander Bridgmore and also for just On's case.
Speaker 2: There so at least two of the two of the three,
Speaker 2: and maybe I don't know if there's a Turtle Boy
Speaker 2: in there as well, because now you know, through the
Speaker 2: better old letters, we found out that Turtle Boy was
Speaker 2: wrapped up in all of this then. And I don't
Speaker 2: even know if he knew. I don't think he knew
Speaker 2: until they uncovered these messages. And thank God to that lady,
Speaker 2: Michelle Littlefield, wherever you are, thank you and God bless
Speaker 2: you for being so incredibly courageous to do what you
Speaker 2: did and bring those give that information out. Did you
Speaker 2: want to see you look like you want to say something, Jen, No,
Speaker 2: I don't, Okay, you just look like you want to
Speaker 2: say something.
Speaker 4: Yeah, I didn't. I forgot what it was.
Speaker 2: Okay, look, something very very prophetical and it is.
Speaker 4: I know what it was, Morrissey in the burn email account.
Speaker 2: Whoa boom? I mean, can you imagine if there's hello?
Speaker 2: Come on, can you imagine if there's more, if they
Speaker 2: find other Yeah, like if well, I know, like there
Speaker 2: has to be more. I know that's almost like a
Speaker 2: dumb thing. But if they find more messages about several
Speaker 2: of these cases that maybe a three letter agency has
Speaker 2: that begins with an F and ends with an eye
Speaker 2: and has the first letter of her name in the middle,
Speaker 2: imagine if they got some Burn direction on that. All right,
Speaker 2: what do we get here? Okay, here you go, Beatrice.
Speaker 5: The trooper was charged with kicking another handcuffed person in
Speaker 5: the head in two I'm Sorry in twenty nineteen with
Speaker 5: his steel toe boots. He wasn't criminally charged for that
Speaker 5: until after he shot Justin route.
Speaker 2: Yes, are you aware that?
Speaker 4: Mentuary February twenty nineteen, the state trooper, the one who
Speaker 4: shot Justin five times in Brookline, he had an incident
Speaker 4: where he had kicked this individual who was already handcuffed,
Speaker 4: and he actually took out his gun and put it
Speaker 4: to his head. So really, yeah, he now has been
Speaker 4: dishonorably discharged. She was also wrapped up in the the
Speaker 4: overtime scandal, so he did have some you know, little
Speaker 4: chaps on the wrist. But you know the fact that
Speaker 4: one year later he was still out there working, you know, like,
Speaker 4: that's a long time. That's another whole other conversation. I mean,
Speaker 4: you could go down a rabbical about the length and
Speaker 4: which they do their internal investigations, if you will, And
Speaker 4: it takes a damn lot to like really get anybody fired.
Speaker 4: But yeah, he was, he was gone.
Speaker 2: And getting back to what you said earlier, I think
Speaker 2: the big issue is that our biggest, you know what,
Speaker 2: our biggest impediment to justice here is that we have
Speaker 2: a state agency. So they're the highest level of law
Speaker 2: enforcement that we have direct contact with. And you know,
Speaker 2: one of my colleagues one time said, what was saying that, uh,
Speaker 2: you know, oh, the FBI has oversight over law enforcement.
Speaker 2: Really they don't. There has to be a crime committed.
Speaker 2: There has to be some sort of information that comes
Speaker 2: to them that they can then funnel to the AUSA
Speaker 2: that they can look at and say, yeah, this is
Speaker 2: something actionable. Some arm of the US attorney. You know,
Speaker 2: there's something actionable that they can go They can't just say, oh, well,
Speaker 2: there's been a crime committed by this and you know,
Speaker 2: I mean there's a whole Netflix documentary on the history
Speaker 2: of policing in our country and they're extremely, extremely powerful.
Speaker 2: I've said on one of these recent shows, and neither
Speaker 2: of you would have been in the earshot of these shows.
Speaker 2: But I could have one of my three my three
Speaker 2: star general, you know, when he was commander of AFSK.
Speaker 2: As soon as he drives off base, a local Fort
Speaker 2: Walton Beach cop can can pull him over for something,
Speaker 2: and if he doesn't like something he says or does,
Speaker 2: he could have that three star general out of the
Speaker 2: car and handcuffed in seconds. That's how powerful you're talking
Speaker 2: about a three star general, do you do people understand
Speaker 2: the amount of schooling And I'm not talking about college
Speaker 2: because obviously they have to have a minimum of master's
Speaker 2: degree to make it past major, but to become like
Speaker 2: a lieutenant general, you know the a you know, Air
Speaker 2: War College and Air Command and Staff College and a
Speaker 2: Pentagon Tour and all these different schools they have to
Speaker 2: go through to get to that level. And you could
Speaker 2: have some guy like going back to something you know
Speaker 2: Beatrice said earlier when she was talking about the continuum
Speaker 2: of motion, and I'm imagining Trooper Paul going, Trooper Paul,
Speaker 2: can you tell me the definition of kinematics place which
Speaker 2: kind of has to do with the continuum of motion
Speaker 2: rather than the force that acted upon it to cause
Speaker 2: it to put it in motion. And he's like, you know,
Speaker 2: I can't really remember it had mister Jackson, so didn't.
Speaker 2: I mean, this guy's doing accent reconstruction and doesn't know
Speaker 2: the definition of kinematics, Like, dude, are you kidding me?
Speaker 2: So anyway, anyway, all right before I just you know,
Speaker 2: go off on a tangent here. Okay, So, Patricia, Yes,
Speaker 2: I was at the Halloween party. I'm sorry I missed
Speaker 2: you and that I didn't know you unless you came
Speaker 2: up and said hello to me, and I did get
Speaker 2: to I also didn't speak. I did meet this gentleman
Speaker 2: and his wife Brenda. So what's up swinging? What's up? Holmes?
Speaker 2: It was a pleasure to meet. Yeah, so you know,
Speaker 2: these guys, pleasure to meet you and your wife, asd
Speaker 2: already saw her. Yeah, and there's somebody else here that
Speaker 2: I oh, I guess that was it. But let's get
Speaker 2: back to this. So this one right here, Jen, is
Speaker 2: there a oh say I'm taking Beatrice role. She's gonna
Speaker 2: find me after the show. Is there a gofund me
Speaker 2: or anything for just on family and litigation.
Speaker 4: I never had set up anything. I just took a
Speaker 4: big loan to fight them. But it's a good idea
Speaker 4: to maybe at some point do that to help with
Speaker 4: the next set of litigation. And also, if Justin's case
Speaker 4: gets sent back from the United States Supreme Court, which
Speaker 4: means remanded back here, that means we would have a trial,
Speaker 4: and so then you have to fly in your experts
Speaker 4: and our law enforcement experts from California and so anyway, yeah,
Speaker 4: it's going to be hepty.
Speaker 2: Beatribus.
Speaker 5: So what was just then? Like what did he enjoy?
Speaker 4: So music? Yeah, he loves his music. Listen on just
Speaker 4: on route dot com. You can go in there and
Speaker 4: see and listen to some of his music. He had
Speaker 4: songs like DNA terrorists and everything is backwards and he
Speaker 4: just really played on you know, you know, he also
Speaker 4: like with numbers, like you know, it would be like
Speaker 4: he would just have different meanings for different things and
Speaker 4: he'd be like, oh, it's all connected. And but anyway,
Speaker 4: you knew when he came into a room, you know,
Speaker 4: he was charismatic. He would laugh like he like loved life,
Speaker 4: right he got he had a big laugh. I'd be like,
Speaker 4: you know, keep it down a little bit, you know,
Speaker 4: but uh but yeah, but you know he was like
Speaker 4: a great listener and and definitely a really good friend.
Speaker 4: And uh, you know it's it's I don't know what
Speaker 4: else can I tell you.
Speaker 2: He sounds like someone who would have liked beings.
Speaker 4: Oh so yeah, did you watch the YouTube one where
Speaker 4: he was this was like a fun thing he did
Speaker 4: with his friends where he was going to be the
Speaker 4: just campaign. So he was running for president of the
Speaker 4: United States And at the end he has like a
Speaker 4: UFO and he's like and then he's like Jen Genesis.
Speaker 4: Like also, Justin would add an E to the end
Speaker 4: of his name and he would say, we are just one.
Speaker 4: And so that's a lot of what I move from.
Speaker 4: That guides me because we are just one. We are
Speaker 4: like we're one world. The more we start to think
Speaker 4: that we're separate and it's just you happening over there,
Speaker 4: it's not.
Speaker 2: It's not say it again. Say it again, home girl.
Speaker 4: We are just one, one world, one people, and that's right.
Speaker 2: That's what I say on our group chat that Jason
Speaker 2: is part of our group chat. Because what I do
Speaker 2: when I put together a round table people on Twitter
Speaker 2: is I'll start a group chat to pass information, especially
Speaker 2: for the roundtable, because we almost have like a Robert's
Speaker 2: rules of order for the round table. You'll see that
Speaker 2: on Sunday if you're watching. And so I always say
Speaker 2: one love you know, because obviously I've pulled for that
Speaker 2: from Bob Marley. But I can assure Beatriz I'll cite
Speaker 2: it in MLA formatting in my paper.
Speaker 4: I see something in the chat here. Just so you know,
Speaker 4: we do have a petition that goes to the Massachusetts
Speaker 4: US Attorney's Office, Joshua Levy. You can just go on
Speaker 4: to just Donroote dot com and you'll have like it
Speaker 4: will pop up to sign a petition. So that's something
Speaker 4: that you can do and share with everyone, because I
Speaker 4: think the more that we grand slam that office, the
Speaker 4: more they know that people care and are like no,
Speaker 4: then you know, you know, someone might blink an eye
Speaker 4: and be like, hey, what's going on?
Speaker 2: You know what Jens Cadence is a little bit like
Speaker 2: content creator Massachusetts lawyer Andrew D. Myers the way he speaks.
Speaker 2: He has a really good show. He covers law and
Speaker 2: obviously he's covering Karen Reid, among other cases. Not only
Speaker 2: Karen Reid, he and a young lady named Laney law
Speaker 2: and Andrew D. Myers, Your Cadence is a lot like him.
Speaker 2: Maybe should go to law school, Maybe I should.
Speaker 4: You know what. And sometimes I'm like one time I
Speaker 4: was telling my neighbor and I like start to get
Speaker 4: into this whole thing about summary judgment and breaking it
Speaker 4: all down, and then I just realized when I was
Speaker 4: sitting there, I was like, she might just want me
Speaker 4: to be quiet at this point. And then I stopped
Speaker 4: and I'm like, are you okay? Like am I Like
Speaker 4: have I lost you? And She's like no, but you
Speaker 4: should become a lawyer. And I'm like, well, you know what.
Speaker 4: I feel like, you know, with the time that we
Speaker 4: have on this planet, like this is very this is
Speaker 4: my life, this is my passion. And I mean I
Speaker 4: want independent investigations across the country. I mean, when this
Speaker 4: sort of stuff happens, it's just it's shocking that that
Speaker 4: it even is this way. I mean, that's what I want.
Speaker 4: So it's like if I went to law school. I'm
Speaker 4: not sure if that's going to be, you know, but
Speaker 4: I do feel like a lawyer at this point. I mean,
Speaker 4: it's like stuff I didn't want to just like me,
Speaker 4: I learned about autopsies. I learned about I mean, you know,
Speaker 4: it just goes on and on.
Speaker 2: Now you get asked Melanie Little. You know, I'm sorry.
Speaker 2: I didn't mean interrupt. I was gonna say, we could
Speaker 2: ask Melanie Little for a conference of our Twitter law
Speaker 2: degree and you and myself we can Twitter, okay, all right?
Speaker 2: Uh yes? Uh so Jason. Yeah. The prep work for
Speaker 2: me to come to the party, I was in the
Speaker 2: hands of Reality Check, who told me, you know, do this,
Speaker 2: this person's there, that person's there, Hey, DJ go Live,
Speaker 2: you know this kind of stuff. And so I didn't
Speaker 2: know that you. I I wanted to meet you, but
Speaker 2: I did not know that you were there in costumes,
Speaker 2: so I didn't recognize you. But there's a couple of
Speaker 2: things that I didn't do. The intro that I did
Speaker 2: for my guests and my co host tonight, I would
Speaker 2: have also done for Turtle Boy by just grabbing the
Speaker 2: microphone from that guy at the front.
Speaker 3: And right in turtle, Hey canna get a man?
Speaker 2: So you know I could have done that, but you know,
Speaker 2: unfortunately I didn't think. So next year, right, because I'll
Speaker 2: be back, but I expect to be back up there
Speaker 2: in January or something, back to Massachusetts, so maybe I'll
Speaker 2: get to see some of you guys. Then if you
Speaker 2: guys want to get together and have a meal of food,
Speaker 2: we can have a meal of food somewhere. I'll come
Speaker 2: there in January. Okay, it's a day day. All right,
Speaker 2: let's see what else we got here. This is what
Speaker 2: I'm saying right here. They made a big mistake. Man.
Speaker 2: I usually do not curse on this channel, but I'm
Speaker 2: gonna conjure my best Jack Nicholson, you with the raw marine.
Speaker 4: Yeah, well, this is what the sad thing is that
Speaker 4: you know, there's a stigma around mental illness. And it's
Speaker 4: like I was reading Jason's comments in here and that
Speaker 4: we need to kind of reframe the narrative. But it's like,
Speaker 4: you know, he he suffered from mental illness. They like
Speaker 4: thought he was freaking nobody. He thought they treated you know,
Speaker 4: they just they took it upon themselves to be judged
Speaker 4: or an executor. But this is the thing, that's what
Speaker 4: I always say. I'm like, oh guess what, No, there's
Speaker 4: people often cared about Justin and uh yeah, definitely.
Speaker 2: Yeah, there's very much. It's a purp and threat down,
Speaker 2: and it's they're acting kind of like a direction direct action.
Speaker 2: You know, we talked about earlier. There's a few units
Speaker 2: in the military that do counter terrorism direct action missions.
Speaker 2: One of those, you know, is like Team six, and
Speaker 2: then there's another army unit that we don't say the
Speaker 2: name of the army unit. And so that's kind of
Speaker 2: like the way that they were treating Justin's a threat,
Speaker 2: which is really really odd given that they had already
Speaker 2: done the pit maneuver. But I want to let my
Speaker 2: co host get in here, and then I'm going to
Speaker 2: babble some more, and and I want to go through
Speaker 2: certain points that maybe this could have been avoided, and
Speaker 2: obviously it might have all maybe all started with the
Speaker 2: guard at the Brigham and Women's But let me let
Speaker 2: my co host get in here. Men.
Speaker 5: Well, I had a couple of thoughts. So earlier we
Speaker 5: were talking about, you know, how we've found out through
Speaker 5: all this, all this movement and all these things that
Speaker 5: have been happening in our state that you know, they
Speaker 5: did a six month investigation into rubber duckies, and so
Speaker 5: it makes you feel like this. There are certain times
Speaker 5: that this is intentional and other times that you know,
Speaker 5: like it. One thing would be if it's incompetence, okay,
Speaker 5: that that. But when they've proven to us and can
Speaker 5: write a very long report and investigate rubber duckies for
Speaker 5: six months, it feels intentional. And that's that's what we
Speaker 5: don't want. You know, it's one thing if they need
Speaker 5: additional training. It's one thing if you're doing things on purpose.
Speaker 2: Yeah, what's that quote selective prosecution? Yeah yeah, yeah, it's
Speaker 2: very much.
Speaker 4: For somebody like my loved one was murdered and you
Speaker 4: actually spent more time on a freaking rubber ducky. Shame
Speaker 4: on all of them, Shame on all of them.
Speaker 2: Yeah. That's the thing is that it's, uh, this is
Speaker 2: a very it's very targeted when they decide to investigate,
Speaker 2: when to prosecute, and it's very The thing what they
Speaker 2: don't realize is it makes it very transparent and obvious.
Speaker 2: So let's say you have people that are not as
Speaker 2: sharp as gen and not as sharp as Beatrice, and
Speaker 2: not as sharp as me. And they're a little bit
Speaker 2: of a mead heead and a little thick headed. Anybody
Speaker 2: can see. Uh, that's being honest and transparent about this.
Speaker 2: What's what, what's what's happened? So you know that that's
Speaker 2: the thing. It's quite obvious what they're doing. And that's
Speaker 2: the problem is we just don't have an agency to
Speaker 2: go to unless and I'm going to make an assumption
Speaker 2: here and this was going to be my next question,
Speaker 2: had you had you written to Joshua Levy?
Speaker 4: I I am making contact, hopefully through my lawyer, but
Speaker 4: it's just been the letters from the petition that's gone
Speaker 4: to him in his office. I worked a long time, Hey,
Speaker 4: I wasted along. I wasted a lot of time working
Speaker 4: on the Attorney General and the governor and the age.
Speaker 4: I mean the Attorney General. Yeah, the AG.
Speaker 2: I wasted a lot not knowing they didn't care.
Speaker 4: Well, you know they you know it's it's they damned
Speaker 4: if they do, and damn if they don't. Right, So
Speaker 4: they took the path of least resistance because they have
Speaker 4: a political aspiration. I mean, that's what I've chalked up
Speaker 4: to so I wasted a lot of time with them.
Speaker 4: Now I know they're not going to do squat ditterly
Speaker 4: dodo of anything when it comes to this. So it's
Speaker 4: really the US Attorney's office that is where we need
Speaker 4: to go.
Speaker 2: But why get into the business of governance if you
Speaker 2: are afraid to act on that? And if you're saying,
Speaker 2: you know, if I take on BPD here or if
Speaker 2: I take on mass State police, then I'm not going
Speaker 2: to get any votes. Their union is going to tell
Speaker 2: all of their officers and every all of their families
Speaker 2: to vote against me. Then why get into governance? Why
Speaker 2: do something and be completely dishonest? It doesn't it doesn't
Speaker 2: make any sense to me.
Speaker 4: Okay, I have to tell you DJ So. Andrea Campbell
Speaker 4: is our current attorney general. She was also Justin's city
Speaker 4: counselor because he lived in Mattapan. Okay, So, I had
Speaker 4: several conversations with her as a sister. Okay, back when
Speaker 4: she was a city councilor, before she became Attorney general.
Speaker 4: I had a lot of hope when she got into
Speaker 4: office that she'd be doing some things, you know, you
Speaker 4: know what I mean, And Uh, that came up to
Speaker 4: a zero. Okay. So, and I just want to remind you,
Speaker 4: like her brother died in custody under suspicious circumstances, and
Speaker 4: so she's a family member who lost someone to in
Speaker 4: that type of a situation. So she like directly knows.
Speaker 4: So it's deeply like concerning and offensive to me because
Speaker 4: she's now the Attorney General. And I had hope, you know,
Speaker 4: and then when I realized she just wanted to, you know,
Speaker 4: paw me off on her top staff to meet with
Speaker 4: where I'm like, well, freaking more healing met with us
Speaker 4: when she was ag like in person, and you can't
Speaker 4: show that same respect. But when I left the AG's
Speaker 4: office the last time with her top people, I said, look,
Speaker 4: you're doing all that's like changing things and law enforcement,
Speaker 4: but you're only talking to law enforcement. You need to
Speaker 4: start talking to the families what they experienced and what
Speaker 4: the process was like and what happened, because our viewpoint
Speaker 4: is valuable in the outview of change. No, you think
Speaker 4: they did that, they didn't do anything.
Speaker 2: It's really interesting when you look at people's value systems
Speaker 2: and you find that they're out of alignment with what
Speaker 2: the charge of the position demands and dictates, and perhaps
Speaker 2: even a sworn oath that would have been attached to
Speaker 2: that position. And it's really interesting when you see that
Speaker 2: people are willing to mortgage that. But you see that
Speaker 2: power is so intoxicating. It's like a drug. It's like
Speaker 2: the way that you desire people, you know, desire alcohol
Speaker 2: or love. It's that type of the adulation.
Speaker 5: You know.
Speaker 2: You see how powerful that that that I'm going to
Speaker 2: use it quote unquotes drug is and it'll cause people
Speaker 2: to do things that and and perhaps even see a
Speaker 2: shift or change in character as a result of that
Speaker 2: power and the desire for more. People were one person
Speaker 2: or they espoused to be a certain person, and then
Speaker 2: they were willing to mortgage that and become a different
Speaker 2: person because of the expediency, uh, the political expediency or
Speaker 2: or something of that nature. And I'm really sorry that
Speaker 2: you were the victim of that, perhaps you know where
Speaker 2: you know I've said before turtle Boy is a young
Speaker 2: man of uncommon valor in my experience, and maybe Joshua
Speaker 2: Levy is a older gentleman also of uncommon valor, and
Speaker 2: I hope that he and I believe he is, and
Speaker 2: perhaps you will find resonance and send him. Why didn't
Speaker 2: mean to drop the mic there? But anyway, all right,
Speaker 2: let me we.
Speaker 4: Gotta keep Beatrice awake here. What's going on. I'm awake.
Speaker 4: I'm awake.
Speaker 2: She's ditching your voice.
Speaker 4: We gotta hear your voice every so often.
Speaker 2: You're telling me. I mean, come on, let me say
Speaker 2: one thing. So all right, So, Jason, my my plan
Speaker 2: is I would have if I would have done it
Speaker 2: like in the middle of the event, like not like
Speaker 2: at the beginning. But anyway, I didn't know that was you,
Speaker 2: because if that was you who was up front, I
Speaker 2: don't remember. Show me what your costume looked like. Then
Speaker 2: you and I spoke because you told me I looked
Speaker 2: like Paul O'Keeffe because there was somebody that had the
Speaker 2: microphone that was doing the DJ stuff no no pun
Speaker 2: intended dj uh And he told me that I looked
Speaker 2: like paul O'Keefe and I was like, I'm not paul
Speaker 2: o'keef man or paul O Grift whatever turtle work as.
Speaker 2: So anyway, you are quickly rising on my list of
Speaker 2: favorite activists. You remind me of my own sister. We
Speaker 2: all deserve a sister like you. Yeah, I wish I
Speaker 2: had a sister like you.
Speaker 4: I don't know, Like I just say to myself, I
Speaker 4: could have never, in a million years ever imagine this happening.
Speaker 4: And this happened like literally weeks before COVID, so I
Speaker 4: was like really in shock. I mean, but what I
Speaker 4: can say is this is profoundly life changing and it's
Speaker 4: it awoke something in me, and I mean, I just
Speaker 4: don't want to be here if I'm not doing this
Speaker 4: type of work because it's so important. And I have
Speaker 4: to tell you, it's also very healing for me to
Speaker 4: meet all these great people out at Standouts because you
Speaker 4: just connect with humanity again. You connect with people who care,
Speaker 4: and and it's that it's that like it's it's you know,
Speaker 4: it's the collective.
Speaker 2: You guys are very inspiring. That's why I told Beatrice
Speaker 2: I want to come back as soon as possible. And
Speaker 2: I'm like, Okay, I gotta start looking at my calendar
Speaker 2: for how soon I can come back, and I can
Speaker 2: just tie it in because I I go home to
Speaker 2: my hometown in the Hudson. I usually come to Massachusetts
Speaker 2: once a year for Dean and my teammates from Dean
Speaker 2: and then twice a year to New York. I'm from
Speaker 2: the the Hudson Valley, not far away from where you
Speaker 2: guys live, and and I uh, I'm so now I'm like, okay,
Speaker 2: looking at it. When's the soonest I can come back?
Speaker 2: And I said, well, December January. So I'll try to
Speaker 2: arrange something like, uh where I can be inspired with
Speaker 2: you guys and come and have a meal, a meal
Speaker 2: of food. That's all I'm trying to do. I'm gonna
Speaker 2: do turtleboar right now. That's all I was trying to
Speaker 2: do is have a meal of food. That's it. We
Speaker 2: can see some salad over here and see if McCarthy's
Speaker 2: so anyway, let me, uh interest.
Speaker 4: What am I doing now?
Speaker 5: Am I asking questions?
Speaker 4: Am I reading the chat?
Speaker 2: You're reading.
Speaker 5: Like taking a nap?
Speaker 2: I just bumped my screen. I'm gonna go fix it.
Speaker 2: Hang on, go ahead, all right.
Speaker 5: I just want all the supporters to know I think
Speaker 5: you are all amazing. The support for the Root family
Speaker 5: is long overdue because truth matters. Amen, Amen, DJ, come
Speaker 5: on a real man, yeah.
Speaker 2: Brand yeah uh. And now I want to say to
Speaker 2: my man here this one right here, ten points for DJ,
Speaker 2: your chesty Polar. Okay, so, Chesty Polar is a famous
Speaker 2: former Marine Corps general, and then I believe his son
Speaker 2: Lou also became a Marine Corps general. So you correct
Speaker 2: me on that if I'm wrong, Jason, But thank you
Speaker 2: very much for putting me in any sentence that has
Speaker 2: to do with like Chesty Puller or mad dog Madness
Speaker 2: or any of those guys or taughty Franks. So anyway, uh,
Speaker 2: let's see. Okay, So, and hey, what's up, punk girl? Christina? Welcome, Welcome,
Speaker 2: Welcome Christina throughout a cryptic tweet. Our response, I was
Speaker 2: kind of like, I didn't know exactly what it meant,
Speaker 2: and so and DM, I'm like, so, what exactly does
Speaker 2: this mean? And she's like yeah, but she now, so
Speaker 2: I'm not. I still don't know what it means. So Christina,
Speaker 2: tell me what that tweet meant because I still don't
Speaker 2: get it. But but it was cool whatever it was.
Speaker 2: I was inspired at like five o'clock in the morning. Anyway, Um, okay,
Speaker 2: oh look at this, I'm getting a I'm getting a
Speaker 2: hand salute from my man. So what like what if
Speaker 2: that unfolded? Let's say we start off at Brigham and
Speaker 2: Women's and that happens, and they call it in to
Speaker 2: the command center and now we're off on something of
Speaker 2: a car chase because they legitimately somebody legitimately thought he
Speaker 2: was armed. Where do you think we go from there?
Speaker 2: That this could have had a different outcome? What would
Speaker 2: you like to have seen those actions be? Well?
Speaker 4: I mean, you know, I know that Boston is very
Speaker 4: you know, a lot of people you know are stuck
Speaker 4: on you know, he pulled out somethin on an officer, yes,
Speaker 4: but it's also looks like a frickin toy and is
Speaker 4: huge and clear and with chimney. I mean, you know,
Speaker 4: I think an officer of twenty years with no what
Speaker 4: that looks like. And even if it was something that
Speaker 4: happened fast, I also so know that that officer was
Speaker 4: justin was at his driver's side window prior to that sidewalk,
Speaker 4: and he had it in his hand. So you know,
Speaker 4: if you think someone's really armed and danger with the gun,
Speaker 4: you don't like go up to them like that. At
Speaker 4: least I wouldn't think you do. I actually think if
Speaker 4: my brother really was armed that day, he'd still be alive.
Speaker 4: I mean, that's what's crazy about it. It's like did
Speaker 4: those officers at any moment That one actually was on
Speaker 4: the ground with Justin too, so I don't know what
Speaker 4: he was, you know, But no matter which way you
Speaker 4: slice and dice Boston, when you get to Brookline and
Speaker 4: you know that he has been shot, and you know
Speaker 4: that there was a massive car accident with wheels off,
Speaker 4: and you see someone covered in blood with someone there
Speaker 4: trying to aid him, you know, that's an execution what
Speaker 4: they did to Justin. They came up and they just
Speaker 4: went boom, just unloaded. And I'm gonna say this again,
Speaker 4: I feel like I'm a eating record. But even for
Speaker 4: people who like want to have all different types of
Speaker 4: you know, ideas and thought processes about it, I just say,
Speaker 4: think to yourself, is that okay? That the response the
Speaker 4: excessive force of that response of thirty one bullets at
Speaker 4: a very public parking lot where my friends shop, my
Speaker 4: friend's shop with their kids, bullet went across the parking lot.
Speaker 4: I mean, we can't let that type of excessive force
Speaker 4: go unchecked, right.
Speaker 2: I agree? I agree.
Speaker 4: You go to a hospital, I expect a next level
Speaker 4: of especially with a lot of you know, mental health
Speaker 4: centers right there, and two of them which by the way,
Speaker 4: are residential, so that means they live there, they walk
Speaker 4: around there. There needs to be I mean that was
Speaker 4: the shocking park to me is that I thought, God,
Speaker 4: you know, my brother was at a hospital and needed
Speaker 4: to be hospitalized. He he showed clear signs of you know, paranoia, delusional,
Speaker 4: you know, delusional. I mean he's telling that officer, I'm
Speaker 4: with law enforcement. I'm with law enforcement. And by the way,
Speaker 4: you can carry in Massachusetts. So I mean, where was
Speaker 4: the where was the conversation, Where was the hey, let
Speaker 4: me see your license to carry or you you know,
Speaker 4: like you know.
Speaker 2: Yeah. So one of the things they showed on the video,
Speaker 2: they showed what looked like a pellet gun, a black
Speaker 2: what looked like a rep you know, a representation or
Speaker 2: a replica nine mil pellet gun. Was that also with Justin?
Speaker 2: I hope to god they didn't plant that there, did they.
Speaker 4: I believe that to be Justin's so that you know.
Speaker 4: This is the other thing too, that really got me
Speaker 4: when this all happened. It's like a clear plastic paintball
Speaker 4: gun with a chimney is not a replica. There's nothing
Speaker 4: that that's not a replica. Yes, that BB gun of
Speaker 4: course it did. But I know it was never in
Speaker 4: his hands, so oh it was not No, it was
Speaker 4: never in his hands.
Speaker 2: It was just in the car, okay, because that's what
Speaker 2: they came.
Speaker 4: It wasn't in the car. It wasn't in the car.
Speaker 4: He's on his body. If you see the state trooper
Speaker 4: with it in his hands, and he tossed it into
Speaker 4: the mulch at random so that it would look like
Speaker 4: he had this gun out that looked like a gun,
Speaker 4: and it's it's just not true. You know, I have
Speaker 4: to question everything about the footage. I questioned at all. Absolutely,
Speaker 4: I don't know what doctoring has been done. You know,
Speaker 4: anything now at this point is possible.
Speaker 2: Well, it was. It was clear when that one guy says, hey, man,
Speaker 2: don't say anything. Don't say anything, you know, because you know,
Speaker 2: because he clearly he he knows like, okay, we've screwed
Speaker 2: up here and everything. This is going to go to court,
Speaker 2: and so don't say anything, you know, Yeah, keep your
Speaker 2: camera and don't say anything. And other guys like kind
Speaker 2: of turn my camera off. And so everybody's trying to
Speaker 2: make sure they follow their p's and q's because they
Speaker 2: know they've screwed up at that point, So yeah, that
Speaker 2: was and checking.
Speaker 5: Each other out to make sure they're okay. Justin didn't
Speaker 5: pose a threat at that point, and they're looking around like,
Speaker 5: you know, theatrics, like you know you okay, you have
Speaker 5: any injuries? Really?
Speaker 4: Yeah, it's like I think I might know if my
Speaker 4: leg was bleeding. Yeah, I got shot in the leg,
Speaker 4: by the way. I mean, yeah, it's crazy.
Speaker 2: Yeah, maybe the guy that has like, you know, fifteen
Speaker 2: holes him on the ground needs medical attention, but do
Speaker 2: everybody else is okay? That's not screaming, so because it's
Speaker 2: pretty you know when you get not that I've been
Speaker 2: shot before. I've had a lot of Army and Marine
Speaker 2: Corps friends think I was an air guy, so I
Speaker 2: was flying, so we got shot at but never airplane
Speaker 2: was never hit when and I certainly never been hit,
Speaker 2: so I've never I don't know what it feels like,
Speaker 2: but people say it feels like hot metal inside your body.
Speaker 2: You're don't know it big time, And I'm.
Speaker 4: Just gonna say too that I like to everyone to
Speaker 4: know that no one as far as the responding Boston
Speaker 4: police officers, because they were behind Justin and they couldn't
Speaker 4: even run a plate, okay, nobody could run a plate
Speaker 4: at any time, which would have been very informative because
Speaker 4: they knew Justin Okay, so that they would have known
Speaker 4: that he was mentally ill because they've responded to the
Speaker 4: best team several times in Boston before. And Justin also
Speaker 4: too had a lot of PTSD, like you know, takedowns
Speaker 4: that were very violent, being gags you know, aren't being broken.
Speaker 4: So you know, it's not like, you know, guns don't
Speaker 4: make things better, you know, like you don't come into
Speaker 4: a situation. It's if you come into a situation like that,
Speaker 4: I guess, so you're probably be using a gun. You know,
Speaker 4: there needs to be that sort of person, you know,
Speaker 4: de escalate, have a conversation. But none of them knew
Speaker 4: until nine thirty two am that someone had been shot
Speaker 4: at Brigham And I think it's important that everybration of
Speaker 4: two proptor yeah, I'm a proctor. Yeah. He called my
Speaker 4: stepmother and said that my brother had shot someone at
Speaker 4: the hospital and that he produced the gun again in
Speaker 4: Brookline and wouldn't put it down and so they had
Speaker 4: to shoot him. Yeah. Lies.
Speaker 2: Yeah, in a lot of situations that firearms can escalate things.
Speaker 2: And I can just tell you I've trained it a
Speaker 2: bunch of different BJJA academies in the decade after I
Speaker 2: retired from the Air Force, and one of them was
Speaker 2: owned by police officer, and most of them were Gracy
Speaker 2: academies save for the academy I started at in Brazil,
Speaker 2: but the rest of them have been Graci Baja, Helson, Gracy,
Speaker 2: Gracie Brothers, blah blah blah blah blah. Well the one
Speaker 2: that where the law enforcement officer owned Helson Gracie Academy
Speaker 2: in Cleveland. All a lot of law enforcement officers trained there.
Speaker 2: And what they told me without me asking them, Hey hoes,
Speaker 2: this affect your career, Like you don't really asked those question.
Speaker 2: They'd say, Man, a lot of us, like we have
Speaker 2: a lot less problems where we feel like we have
Speaker 2: to draw down because we can handle a situation physically
Speaker 2: and disarm somebody safely without having to use deadly or
Speaker 2: excessive force, like when you see guys billy clubbing somebody
Speaker 2: or you know, tasing, because these guys could execute a
Speaker 2: takedown and easily subdue somebody to the point where they
Speaker 2: could get handcuffs on them. You know, it kills me
Speaker 2: every time I see that, Eric, what's the young man
Speaker 2: from Brooklyn? And there's a police officer on his back
Speaker 2: and he has him in a rear naked choke and
Speaker 2: the kids saying I can't is it? Eric Garner said
Speaker 2: his name? He's saying I can't breathe?
Speaker 4: Yeah, well yeah he said he couldn't breathe them we and.
Speaker 2: He just choked him to death, killed him. I'm like,
Speaker 2: what are you? I mean, the whole thing with jiu
Speaker 2: jitsu is when the person is tapping, you release pressure.
Speaker 2: Thank you, Eric Garner, Statna and thank you Ann. Yes,
Speaker 2: you release pressure on that person's neck and then you
Speaker 2: handcuff the guy. If if in fact that guy is
Speaker 2: you know, still a threat. I don't know the whole story,
Speaker 2: and I really don't care, but you choke the guy
Speaker 2: to death. You don't belong even applying that choke. If
Speaker 2: you don't know how to do it safely and then
Speaker 2: release pressure, It's it's really bizarre anyway, all right. One
Speaker 2: thing I want to say to everybody, if you are
Speaker 2: watching this right now, if you would do a kind
Speaker 2: favor to me and my co host Beatrice, would you
Speaker 2: smash the like button and the subscribe button for calling
Speaker 2: all beings. We would greatly appreciate that. And even you, Christina,
Speaker 2: get up there on YouTube and subscribe Holmes. So she's
Speaker 2: probably like, look, I'm busy right now, I'm using my phone.
Speaker 2: I'm like all right, whatever, So.
Speaker 4: Like button smash that.
Speaker 2: Like button do, Like Melanie Little, I'm gonna have to
Speaker 2: turn their condition rop if you don't. If you subscribe.
Speaker 2: She's so funny.
Speaker 4: Man, I want to see another when you talk about
Speaker 4: that I can't breathe. That's another reason why it's so
Speaker 4: important that we pass the Medical Civil Rights Act, just
Speaker 4: so you know, I mean, because even if someone says
Speaker 4: I can't breathe, that means you need to call EMS
Speaker 4: and you stop. But you don't. And you know there's
Speaker 4: only a duty, okay, but if it's the law, you
Speaker 4: got to do it, and then take that law.
Speaker 2: You don't say it again. Gots to do it, girlfriends
Speaker 2: to do it.
Speaker 4: I mean, come on, I'm just saying. I mean they
Speaker 4: passed it in Connecticut. I mean, it really needs to
Speaker 4: be passed in every state.
Speaker 2: Yeah, yeah, I mean this is just this is part
Speaker 2: of the job, man. I mean, it's just it's a
Speaker 2: dangerous job. But a lot of people will Some people
Speaker 2: will sign up for it because they like having power,
Speaker 2: and that is we talked about power earlier, and there's
Speaker 2: other contexts that that we can use this same analogy
Speaker 2: that people like the feeling of power and influence, and
Speaker 2: you are extremely powerful as a police officer, and you
Speaker 2: need to be very I've actually taken the police test
Speaker 2: UH at an academy. Before I elected not to enter
Speaker 2: the academy. I was a law enforcement major at Dean.
Speaker 2: But I am in no way placing myself in their category.
Speaker 2: I am not a law enforcement officer, never been. I can't.
Speaker 2: I'm not part of their brotherhood. I respect those guys,
Speaker 2: but I also need to hold them accountable everything. There's
Speaker 2: a balance, you know, in everything. You know, you have
Speaker 2: to be very forceful sometimes when you when you're taking
Speaker 2: down a suspect because sometimes they'll some people mistake kindness
Speaker 2: for weakness, you know, and you have to say, Okay,
Speaker 2: you might think I'm weak, I'm gonna show you that
Speaker 2: though I'm kind, I can put it on you if
Speaker 2: I have to. I don't want to put it on you,
Speaker 2: but if you make me put it on you, then
Speaker 2: I'm going to do that. So anyway, Oh there it is. Yeah,
Speaker 2: all right, thank you, Thank you, Christina. I appreciate it. Homegirl.
Speaker 2: Final question from my co host here, Beatrice, who said
Speaker 2: not to say with the Latino flair. Sorry I've been directed. Yes, well,
Speaker 2: I also follow regulations.
Speaker 5: I mean I also think too, Like I just want
Speaker 5: to make it very clear. We all respect what police
Speaker 5: officers do. You know, we're sitting here kind of pointing
Speaker 5: fingers right now, but we do know that they have
Speaker 5: a tough job, and maybe there needs to be more
Speaker 5: help for police officers, you know, somebody checking in with them,
Speaker 5: because I'm sure their mental health is you know, is there.
Speaker 5: I mean, they don't know what they're facing day in
Speaker 5: and day out. They you know, they get on duty
Speaker 5: and they hope to come home to their family. But
Speaker 5: maybe there needs to be because if you're choking somebody
Speaker 5: out to the point where you're about you know, you're
Speaker 5: going to take their life, like that has to be
Speaker 5: you know, there's a control that you need to be
Speaker 5: able to control yourself, so you know, and and again
Speaker 5: we love and respect our police officers, and you know,
Speaker 5: so I just wanted, you know, to just mention that
Speaker 5: that maybe there needs to be more and they do
Speaker 5: need help and they maybe they need to check in
Speaker 5: periodically with somebody like they because to make them. You know,
Speaker 5: I don't think they went into this wanting to be bad.
Speaker 5: I just think that you know, things got escalated and
Speaker 5: you know it's just there has to be more accountability.
Speaker 4: That's what I I mean. I've always talked about accountability,
Speaker 4: not being against law enforcement. But we can train all
Speaker 4: we want, but if you don't have your officers being
Speaker 4: accountable for breaking policies, you got nothing. I mean, what
Speaker 4: do the people get for not having their body warm
Speaker 4: cameras on? I mean, what are people getting a couple
Speaker 4: days off unpaid? Is that that's that's what you get.
Speaker 4: That's a tap on the wrist. You should have some
Speaker 4: more accountability and then people like who like to get
Speaker 4: this control or get crazy, they they might torn back
Speaker 4: a bit.
Speaker 2: I want to say something to both. Are the points
Speaker 2: that both because you both basically made semi opposing points,
Speaker 2: but both very important and very salient points. And for
Speaker 2: Bittra's point, I there would be complete anarchy out on
Speaker 2: the streets without our police officers. There be people would
Speaker 2: be people would literally go over to their their neighbor's
Speaker 2: house and shoot them if they piss them off, you know,
Speaker 2: they would people would act out even more violently. And
Speaker 2: we're the most violent country in the world, and we
Speaker 2: have more guns than anybody else in the world. And
Speaker 2: I'm saying that I'm a gun owner, you know, but
Speaker 2: not you know, the type of person that wants to
Speaker 2: go out and show my gun everywhere and try and
Speaker 2: intimidate people with it and go, don't f with me,
Speaker 2: look what I've got. But there are people like that,
Speaker 2: you know. And without police officers there would be anarchy
Speaker 2: in the streets. So they're extremely important to civil obedience.
Speaker 2: The problem is when they become the criminal, and in
Speaker 2: a place like where you're in a county environment, which
Speaker 2: you guys don't have as much in a place like
Speaker 2: Massachusetts than the sheriff and the sheriff's deputies are extremely
Speaker 2: powerful if there is no if you simply have like
Speaker 2: a highway patrol situation, which is far different than what
Speaker 2: you have here where the state police and you guys
Speaker 2: can hear Emily Debaker talk about it. No, we didn't
Speaker 2: have state police in our DA's office. We had investigators,
Speaker 2: but they were separate and apart from the police to
Speaker 2: have that separation so that there wasn't that conflict of
Speaker 2: interest that we see here with Marsy and these idiots
Speaker 2: giving money to his re election campaign and Adam Lally
Speaker 2: and the other district assistant district attorneys. You can't do that, dude,
Speaker 2: like Morrisey. Have you been to an ethics class ever anywhere?
Speaker 2: Do you remember that in law school? Do you remember
Speaker 2: the whole ethics test? You can't take donations from your subordinates, idiot.
Speaker 2: I can't even give my boss a twenty dollars gift, like, like,
Speaker 2: ten dollars is what I'm limited to. And you know,
Speaker 2: if it's a group, there's all these regulations about what
Speaker 2: you can give. And I'm gonna tell you when I
Speaker 2: worked for Air Force Special Operations comand a civilian, my
Speaker 2: boss was a very strict If you went to a
Speaker 2: trade show, like an aerospace trade show and they had
Speaker 2: gift bags, he would be like, man, don't even take
Speaker 2: one of those gift bags because I'm telling you right now,
Speaker 2: there's more than twenty dollars of value in that gift bag.
Speaker 2: Don't even I saw him say that to somebody. So
Speaker 2: ethics are extremely important and that gets to and now
Speaker 2: we're going to get to what Jen was talking about,
Speaker 2: and it is it's leadership. So if I'm lead civilian
Speaker 2: in my job, or when I was a first sergeant
Speaker 2: at one time, if I would have gone said, ah, man,
Speaker 2: it's three o'clock. Man, that sounds like beer thirty to me.
Speaker 2: Let's get out of here. And what do you think
Speaker 2: the people you know are, what their attitude is going
Speaker 2: to be? Hey, man, we don't need to stay the
Speaker 2: whole day. Boss Man's good with this. And that is
Speaker 2: what's happening with these guys is this is a cultural
Speaker 2: leadership thing. And we have no indication that this Jeff
Speaker 2: what's his name, Beatrice, Jeff, the new guy from New Jersey,
Speaker 2: you know what I'm talking about. He has a what
Speaker 2: is it? I can't remember his life.
Speaker 4: But yes, he's here, you know what I'm talking about.
Speaker 2: The Yeah, and that guy who called the young lady
Speaker 2: actually who called into Mike's show the other night, he said, look,
Speaker 2: if Massachusetts is super corrupt, then Jersey's got to be
Speaker 2: a close second. So she's like, I don't have any
Speaker 2: faith that this guy you're bringing in is not gonna
Speaker 2: do it. And I laugh when they go. We've removed
Speaker 2: Brian Tully from his duties as lead. I'm like, so,
Speaker 2: what what does that mean? Doesn't cost him any money? Yeah?
Speaker 2: Like so you know what though, But we're gonna leave
Speaker 2: on a high note, girlfriend, because we have look at
Speaker 2: the Look at the people that you have here. Look
Speaker 2: at this girl right here. Please?
Speaker 4: Oh you know I saw your sweatshirt on Twitter.
Speaker 2: I just want to say this, so please pass the pepper.
Speaker 2: I don't want to irritate my acid reflux. That's all
Speaker 2: I got to say this hot food. Sorry, but we
Speaker 2: have an amazing group of people here, not you know,
Speaker 2: the justice warriors that are every bit is important as
Speaker 2: the content creators that are out there, and those of
Speaker 2: us that have Twitter law degrees like Jen and myself.
Speaker 2: We're waiting conferral from Melanie little Jeff Noble, thank you,
Speaker 2: that's right. Yeah, I'm I'm going to see how noble
Speaker 2: he is. Uh. That could be a play on words,
Speaker 2: right there, a double on. But we do really do
Speaker 2: have an amazing group of people, and I think we're
Speaker 2: heading the right direct. There's a lot of noise people
Speaker 2: in other countries, hear you. I think a turtle boy
Speaker 2: got a message from Denmark the other night on air.
Speaker 2: I don't know if anybody's have heard of any of
Speaker 2: the other norwey, I'm pretty sure I've heard Norway obviously.
Speaker 2: Australia has you know, three fairly prolific content creators. The
Speaker 2: United Kingdom with Dylan, and there's probably more than Dylan
Speaker 2: that are that are just covering this Canada. Hey, thank
Speaker 2: you Missy in Hiszzy uh and you guys don't remember
Speaker 2: thin Lizzy. But anyway, but yeah, I think we're we're
Speaker 2: headed in the right direction. Song and it is an
Speaker 2: honor to uh to have you on here, and I'll
Speaker 2: be seeing you in a couple of months.
Speaker 5: Yeah, we can't read.
Speaker 4: I was seeing November thirteenth at two pm.
Speaker 5: Yes, so don't be shy.
Speaker 4: Come up to us and say hello, Tell your friend
Speaker 4: some friends.
Speaker 2: Okay, Dylan, Wait, I want to timber. Dylan's from Wales,
Speaker 2: but it's still the United Kingdom. Homie a broken Baker.
Speaker 2: He's gonna be the show too. Who is that? Where
Speaker 2: is he from? His accent is not quite distinguishable. Does
Speaker 2: anybody know? Is he from the Netherlands? Anybody know Austria.
Speaker 4: Baker?
Speaker 2: Oh my god, it sounds like the Burgermeister from Santa
Speaker 2: Claus is coming to town. Okay, I do work. I
Speaker 2: worked in I do. I worked in a CD store
Speaker 2: for nine years. Indiana in the house. What's up? Man?
Speaker 2: He's Dutch, didn't I say from the Netherlands?
Speaker 4: You know, you know your accents?
Speaker 2: Ten points for Griffin Dall All right.
Speaker 4: Yeah, I Hey, I always wanted to just leave like
Speaker 4: we're stronger together, okay, and we just need to build
Speaker 4: on this momentum and stick together, and we're going to
Speaker 4: do amazing things. I mean, amazing things are going to happen.
Speaker 4: I just know it's people power.
Speaker 2: People power one hundred percent. Hey, welcome back, Jason. Yeah, Hey, Jason.
Speaker 2: And Missy Missy in oh Man. Missy. I guess she's
Speaker 2: a singer as well. And which is more pertinent to
Speaker 2: this weekend's roundtable where we have a couple of musicians.
Speaker 2: But we did a cab music show and what we
Speaker 2: did is we brought on like five or six content
Speaker 2: creators and ask them instead of we're not going to
Speaker 2: complain about all our problems in justice tonight, everything we're
Speaker 2: pissed off about, We're we're talking about our favorite singer
Speaker 2: and who are our favorite singers or bands and why
Speaker 2: and Missy came in on that one, so it was
Speaker 2: really dope. Man, it turns out he's a singer.
Speaker 4: You know what. That's what her and I have in
Speaker 4: common too. If I also do a lot of singing
Speaker 4: and I love going to karaoke, I would have been
Speaker 4: a singer if you know, I didn't want to. I
Speaker 4: just wanted to be make some money and go to
Speaker 4: college for marketing. But uh, but anyway, yeah, I love
Speaker 4: singing too.
Speaker 2: Well, then how are you gonna let me sit here
Speaker 2: and sing on the show when you're a singer? Tell
Speaker 2: me you're a singer up front so that I won't sing? Hey,
Speaker 2: you know, going to embarrass myself?
Speaker 4: Do the ROBERTA Flack I love Donna Summer on the radio?
Speaker 2: Oh? Man, can ROBERTA Flack?
Speaker 4: I love Roberta Yep. Yeah, I'm like, I need to
Speaker 4: get to a karaoke Hey, Hey, Massachusetts peeps, where is
Speaker 4: the karaoke spot? Because I definitely want to go.
Speaker 5: I'll be your backup dancer.
Speaker 4: Hey, that's good, and sometimes you might want to join
Speaker 4: join in. Actually a lot of the pictures I have
Speaker 4: from my with my brother is from the forty at
Speaker 4: my fortieth birthday and we had a live band carryo.
Speaker 2: Oh yeah Stevie Nicks. Oh my god. All right, So
Speaker 2: when the next music show, we'll have both you guys on,
Speaker 2: and I want you to consider your favorite your mount
Speaker 2: rushmore of music that could be a singer, a solo artist,
Speaker 2: that could be a band, it could be whatever genre.
Speaker 2: And you have a Washington, a Jefferson, a Theodore Roosevelt
Speaker 2: in a Lincoln position to fulfill with your top four
Speaker 2: favorite artists. Okay, okay, all right. I hope you had
Speaker 2: some fun tonight. I certainly did. I think we learned
Speaker 2: a little bit about Justin and I hope we can
Speaker 2: have you back on again.
Speaker 4: Yeah yeah, yeah, And thanks to everybody tuning in and watching.
Speaker 4: It's that like button subscribe.
Speaker 5: The right ont as Melanie says, do all the YouTube things.
Speaker 4: Do those things.
Speaker 2: She's so funny and so witty, like she's like, I.
Speaker 5: Give her all day long. I literally, it's she's amazing.
Speaker 4: I mean there's so many she's like that strains cugility.
Speaker 2: I'm like, oh, I know, I use that word credulity,
Speaker 2: but then she uses it even better than because she says,
Speaker 2: I'll say it defies credulity, but she'll say it's strange
Speaker 2: and that sounds even better. But she's just brilliant, man,
Speaker 2: She's just a brilliant She's like, you know, like Nurse
Speaker 2: Kim is brilliant content.
Speaker 4: I love her.
Speaker 5: We really do have a great community though. That's the thing.
Speaker 5: It's like, you know, you're sitting here mentioning you know,
Speaker 5: Melanie Nurse Kim, and it's like there's just there's so
Speaker 5: many more. We have so many good people on our
Speaker 5: side and so many people that are just out there
Speaker 5: fighting the fight and you know, having the voices be heard.
Speaker 4: So yeah, and we're just gonna keep getting larger.
Speaker 2: Yep, we are. We are. We've got a lot of positivity,
Speaker 2: and we will set something.
Speaker 4: Up Love Winds.
Speaker 2: That's right, that's one hundred months, no Love Winds. Do
Speaker 2: you like to self edit where I almost curse, but
Speaker 2: then I don't be a trice so I get another
Speaker 2: five points? Okay, So yeah, so we will see you.
Speaker 2: We'll plan something out for January and have some sort
Speaker 2: of meal of food where we won't be bothered by
Speaker 2: Mcalberts and uh, and we'll get together and yuck it
Speaker 2: up a little bit, all right, and I'll wear this.
Speaker 2: I wore this flowered shirt. These two right.
Speaker 4: Here, nice thanks. I love flowers.
Speaker 2: Yeah, all right on, behalf of my homies that we're
Speaker 2: talking about right here, Beatrice and Chen. This is DJ
Speaker 2: peace Out, One Love. We'll see you down the road.
Speaker 2: And we're always wondering what is up around the Bend.