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<v Speaker 1>It's a thirty I had fifty five KRCD talk station

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<v Speaker 1>kind of expected Jason Williams from The enquire to talk

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<v Speaker 1>about the County Bengals name stadium funding. Joe has not

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<v Speaker 1>been able to reach him at this point, so I

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<v Speaker 1>just appreciate the frustrated look on Joe's face when that happened,

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<v Speaker 1>since we had him lined up. Is he there now? No,

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<v Speaker 1>I had a glimmer of hope there when the screen

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<v Speaker 1>went read. Anyhow, I do have local stories to dive

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<v Speaker 1>on into before we hear from Marine Gardner. She's going

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<v Speaker 1>to talk about the twenty twenty five Harvey Chayette Spring Forum,

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<v Speaker 1>which is designed the benefit the Parkinston's Support and Wellness Group,

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<v Speaker 1>which is a wonderful group. Bob Letter, who's a friend

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<v Speaker 1>of the show and the guy responsible for the Christmas

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<v Speaker 1>tree ornament thing every Christmas time, is behind the relationship

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<v Speaker 1>with the Parkinson's Group and the fifty five KRC Morning Show.

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<v Speaker 1>So anyway, excuse me, we can get the local stories

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<v Speaker 1>one thread the entire article a little, but suffice it

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<v Speaker 1>to say, us Representative Greg Landsman and his wife Sarah

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<v Speaker 1>had to dump hundreds of thousands of dollars worth of

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<v Speaker 1>their corporate stocks, including shares and defense contractors in a

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<v Speaker 1>tobacco company to our own conclusions on that. That's corny

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<v Speaker 1>new Federal. Oh is he there now? Oh, Jason Williams,

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<v Speaker 1>since I acquire welcome back to the fifty five careceone

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<v Speaker 1>Morning show. A little worried about you there for a moment.

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<v Speaker 2>Hey, Hey, Brian, how you doing.

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<v Speaker 1>I'm doing fine. If I didn't live in Hamilton County,

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<v Speaker 1>I'd feel a little bit better because I guess some

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<v Speaker 1>of my tax dollars are going to be going to

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<v Speaker 1>pay Course Stadium, probably not the full don't know the

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<v Speaker 1>full amount yet, but Phase one suggests that I guess

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<v Speaker 1>the county County's going to be on the hook for

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<v Speaker 1>sixty four and a half million dollars of this phase

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<v Speaker 1>one of the upgrades, and that's a total of one

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<v Speaker 1>hundred and eighty five million dollars to improve pay Course Stadium.

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<v Speaker 1>But the full four phases of it, I guess you

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<v Speaker 1>got to get to phase four before you reach profit.

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<v Speaker 1>I don't know eight hundred and thirty million total dollars.

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<v Speaker 1>I'm sorry. I'm not a fan of tack spare dollars

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<v Speaker 1>funding private sports owners. Playfields. So we'll start with that.

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<v Speaker 1>What's your reaction with this is, Yeah.

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<v Speaker 2>Much the same reaction that you had, Brian, were very

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<v Speaker 2>very much think like on this, and I'm sure I

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<v Speaker 2>feel like probably a lot of fifty five KRC listeners

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<v Speaker 2>are shaking their head right now just to you know,

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<v Speaker 2>it's just the the money Spiggott just continues to stay

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<v Speaker 2>on for the Bengals and.

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<v Speaker 3>I'm still trying to process this thing yesterday and it

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<v Speaker 3>almost feels like a forced PR thing because it was

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<v Speaker 3>an agreement and then announcement of an agreement of an agreement. Yeah,

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<v Speaker 3>it's like they announced that they have an agreement about

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<v Speaker 3>an upcoming agreement and I'm like, to me, that just

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<v Speaker 3>came off like they are trying to generate some good

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<v Speaker 3>positive PR here. And the fact that the it came

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<v Speaker 3>out to where in this phase again, you know, like

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<v Speaker 3>you said, Brian, it's just it's phase one and I

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<v Speaker 3>didn't know they were going to do this whole thing.

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<v Speaker 2>In phases or whatever. But the fact that it.

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<v Speaker 3>Right now, the numbers come out that the Bengals side

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<v Speaker 3>are going to put one hundred and twenty million in

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<v Speaker 3>and that the County side is going to do sixty four.

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<v Speaker 3>It very much comes off like a pr thing like, well, wow,

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<v Speaker 3>the Bengals are going to put more in than the

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<v Speaker 3>county's going to put in. Yeah, double basically what they're

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<v Speaker 3>going to put in. And so that's my read on it. Yeah. Yeah,

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<v Speaker 3>let's say, look when you get out out, when this

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<v Speaker 3>thing all is said and done and it gets out

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<v Speaker 3>eight hundred and thirty million dollars, let's let's see how

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<v Speaker 3>that that's what.

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<v Speaker 1>We need to know Phase two that yeah, there's no

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<v Speaker 1>way whatever Phase two, three, and four have hit it

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<v Speaker 1>that the math is going to work out with the

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<v Speaker 1>angles covering the lion's share of it in those next

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<v Speaker 1>three phases. If I was a betting man, I put

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<v Speaker 1>it all on that outcome. But you know, the funnier

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<v Speaker 1>part about this, the Bengals are borrowing half of one

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<v Speaker 1>hundred and twenty million that they're throwing in from the NFL.

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<v Speaker 3>Well, that's exactly right. And you know again that's also

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<v Speaker 3>another thing that's kind of being you know, it looks

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<v Speaker 3>a little it's a little behind the scenes sort of

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<v Speaker 3>thing that a lot of times when the Bengals are

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<v Speaker 3>putting their own money in, it's there's always it's always

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<v Speaker 3>kind of coming from somewhere else. I mean, they did

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<v Speaker 3>some kind of upgrade to like the club level. I

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<v Speaker 3>don't know, a couple of years ago. It's been in

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<v Speaker 3>a recent memory. And you know, they made a big splash.

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<v Speaker 3>We find out, you know, a lot of that money

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<v Speaker 3>was coming from the concessionaire. Now, look, however the money's

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<v Speaker 3>coming from is all just not coming out of my

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<v Speaker 3>pocket or your pocket as Hamilton County taxpayers, okay, whatever,

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<v Speaker 3>like private sector. So I've always said, like, you know,

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<v Speaker 3>even when I write about them, now it's like I

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<v Speaker 3>think the Bengals slash NFL slash private sector side of things,

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<v Speaker 3>you know, need to need to come through with, you know,

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<v Speaker 3>what they need to come through with. And uh and

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<v Speaker 3>so that that what whatever whatever that is, and wherever

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<v Speaker 3>it's coming from, if it's not coming from the taxpayers.

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<v Speaker 3>And and when I say taxpayers, I mean not just

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<v Speaker 3>Hamilton County taxpayers, but state taxpayers. Now, all of a sudden,

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<v Speaker 3>we you know, and it's a whole other, you know,

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<v Speaker 3>a whole other rabbit hole of this story, Brian, is

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<v Speaker 3>that all of a sudden, there's this big you know

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<v Speaker 3>push that you know, state government needs to be footing

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<v Speaker 3>the bill and a big old chunk of money for

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<v Speaker 3>these things. And it's like, where where is all where

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<v Speaker 3>where's all.

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<v Speaker 2>This coming from?

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<v Speaker 3>You know, it's interesting to see all these trends, and

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<v Speaker 3>it's like all of a sudden now that there's all

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<v Speaker 3>big onus being put on the state.

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<v Speaker 1>Well, why amen, six hundred million dollars coming from the

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<v Speaker 1>state for the Cleveland Browns new mega complex. I mean

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<v Speaker 1>it's a multi billion dollar thing that they're going to

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<v Speaker 1>be building. And that really really frankly, you know, he

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<v Speaker 1>used the words pisses me off, because it does. But

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<v Speaker 1>that now we're turning to Columbus to get money for

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<v Speaker 1>this monstrosity. Are these upgrades? They've already hit Hamilton County

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<v Speaker 1>taxpayers up for it, and they are in this particular phase.

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<v Speaker 3>Uh.

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<v Speaker 1>And I you know, I am not always been much

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<v Speaker 1>of a fan of Commissioner at Lisa Reese, but unlike

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<v Speaker 1>the other two commissioners, she at least pointed out that

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<v Speaker 1>the Bengals in the NFL should probably be footing the

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<v Speaker 1>bill for the whole package. I love their quote that

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<v Speaker 1>was reported they the Bengals got enough money. Forbes magazine

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<v Speaker 1>said that referring to the recent news that Bengals under

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<v Speaker 1>Mike Brown is among the nation's billionaires.

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<v Speaker 3>Yeah, in the Bengalsapam, I wrote my column last week.

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<v Speaker 3>I mean, the Bengals have money. And here's the thing.

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<v Speaker 3>And again, it doesn't get. It wasn't very heavily reported.

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<v Speaker 3>It doesn't get you know. I mean, it's just one

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<v Speaker 3>of those kind of you know, things that get voted

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<v Speaker 3>on at NFL meetings and you know, among many different things.

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<v Speaker 3>But last year, the NFL owners voted that NFL teams

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<v Speaker 3>are allowed to bring in like up to ten percent

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<v Speaker 3>and private equity. So you know, that's just basically like, hey,

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<v Speaker 3>you need more money, you know, you you need more

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<v Speaker 3>money to help you know, do your business for stadium

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<v Speaker 3>or for you know, however you run your football team. Well,

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<v Speaker 3>you can now bring in a limited partner, a limited

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<v Speaker 3>home or home elemited, a private equity firm of up

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<v Speaker 3>to ten percent of the of the owners of you

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<v Speaker 3>could own up to ten percent of the team. Well,

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<v Speaker 3>guess what team voted against that. One team. One team

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<v Speaker 3>voted against that. I have no idea why, because it's

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<v Speaker 3>I don't understand. I don't know what the downside of

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<v Speaker 3>that is. I don't let me let me post it

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<v Speaker 3>could do that. They could. They have the ability even

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<v Speaker 3>though they vote against it. It was voted and you

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<v Speaker 3>know it was voted in, and so they could go

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<v Speaker 3>out right now and get uh, you know, millions and millions.

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<v Speaker 2>Of dollars in private equity.

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<v Speaker 3>Money to help them. And but you know that would

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<v Speaker 3>require them, you know, giving up you know, a little

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<v Speaker 3>bit of you know, you know, or be a you know,

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<v Speaker 3>a minority stake owner and the team.

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<v Speaker 1>Yeah, well, maybe they're afraid that Hamilton County would be

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<v Speaker 1>that ten percent, that the county would then control part

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<v Speaker 1>of the ownership and prevent it from ever leaving the

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<v Speaker 1>city and take away that threat from the future. But

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<v Speaker 1>moving away from that concept, Jason Williams, I can just

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<v Speaker 1>ask a basic, simple question, do we really need all

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<v Speaker 1>these upgrades? I mean, can you can you not play

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<v Speaker 1>football on a blank in high school football field and

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<v Speaker 1>actually get the game played? I mean, the size of

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<v Speaker 1>the fields the same, the rules are the same. What's

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<v Speaker 1>with all this glorified upgrades and all these amenities and

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<v Speaker 1>bells and whistles, most notably in the boxes that people

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<v Speaker 1>like you or maybe you get to go there. I

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<v Speaker 1>don't go. I'm not invited to the boxes. I don't

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<v Speaker 1>get any kind of special treatment. The vast majority of

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<v Speaker 1>the the residents of the state of Ohio and the

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<v Speaker 1>people live in the county are never going to see

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<v Speaker 1>those boxes, right, Yeah, I.

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<v Speaker 3>Mean the answer the answer to that is, I mean no,

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<v Speaker 3>I mean that d do you really absolutely have to

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<v Speaker 3>have that and certainly pay for that with taxpayer money? Yeah,

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<v Speaker 3>I mean the infrastructury things, that's you know what going on,

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<v Speaker 3>uh well, heading on thirty years now, right, I guess

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<v Speaker 3>opening the twenty five year twenty five year old building,

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<v Speaker 3>it certainly is gonna you know, need need some of

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<v Speaker 3>the one of the guts of the building.

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<v Speaker 1>Upgraded, and all that maintenance and upkeep, maintenance and upkeep.

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<v Speaker 1>There's no way maintenance. He comes up to thirty million dollars.

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<v Speaker 3>And that means to me, see, I mean that stadium

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<v Speaker 3>fund has been there all of that. Again, the stadium

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<v Speaker 3>fund that the sales tax that we pay on our

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<v Speaker 3>groceries and on everything we buy in Hamilton County. Uh,

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<v Speaker 3>you know, half a cent of that goes right into

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<v Speaker 3>that stadium fund. And that stadium fund is for ongoing

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<v Speaker 3>maintenance and upkeep, and so what's been going on? And

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<v Speaker 3>that's something that probably some intrepid reporter can dig into.

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<v Speaker 3>It's like, well, you know, why, why is it like

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<v Speaker 3>some of the stuff, you know, why isn't that continuing on?

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<v Speaker 3>And I know some of it is, but it's like,

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<v Speaker 3>all right, so then why then there is this bill

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<v Speaker 3>so big? If that money is that that tens of

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<v Speaker 3>millions of dollars is coming in every year to help

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<v Speaker 3>pay awfully pay off the original debt but then still

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<v Speaker 3>go towards maintenance and upkeep, you then turn around and think, way,

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<v Speaker 3>thirty million dollars, well, that's more than double what the

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<v Speaker 3>whole thing costs to build back in you.

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<v Speaker 1>Know, the late nineties exactly. And it still functions and

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<v Speaker 1>you can still play a game there, and there's no

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<v Speaker 1>I'm not keep up with the Joneses attitude, I'm sorry

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<v Speaker 1>has lost on me. You know, it's just well I.

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<v Speaker 3>Agree with that, you know, and this whole notion that

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<v Speaker 3>I mean, you go around the NFL and you go

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<v Speaker 3>around ballparks and stadiums and all that, and it's just

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<v Speaker 3>like there's just this you're right, there's this keeping up

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<v Speaker 3>with the Joneses thing and it just seems that it

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<v Speaker 3>seems to gall a little more here are a lot

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<v Speaker 3>more here because of that original lease agreement. Yeah, and

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<v Speaker 3>you know we're feeling it right now. You're seeing it.

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<v Speaker 3>You're seeing some of those old wounds come back up.

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<v Speaker 3>And I mean, yeah, there's been a lot of you know,

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<v Speaker 3>a lot of letters to the editor of the Inquirer,

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<v Speaker 3>and I know a lot of callers to iHeart radio stations,

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<v Speaker 3>and you know, there's a lot there's some old hard

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<v Speaker 3>feelings coming up now and the Bagles were trying to

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<v Speaker 3>avoid that. And so that's why I go look at

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<v Speaker 3>this thing that got announced yesterday. It's like it comes

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<v Speaker 3>out like, Wow, the Bengals are gonna pay more. Yeah,

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<v Speaker 3>you can you hit the nail on the head on

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<v Speaker 3>probably ever. Yeah, for the first time, probably ever in

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<v Speaker 3>this whole process, there's been a news story where it

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<v Speaker 3>looks like the Bengals are going to pay more than

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<v Speaker 3>the county.

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<v Speaker 1>So wish we had more time. Jason. We'll have you

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<v Speaker 1>back on to discuss this as phases two, three, and

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<v Speaker 1>four get rolled out. But I'm glad to see you're

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<v Speaker 1>on the same side of the ledger as most on

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<v Speaker 1>most of my lesseners in me. God bless you. Jason

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<v Speaker 1>William Cincinnati dot com to read Jason in The inquire