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<v Speaker 1>There's a special Saturday Nights nightcap on seven hundred WLW

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<v Speaker 1>Gerry Jeff Walker. And as we all have seen, the

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<v Speaker 1>mostly peaceful, fiery protests around the country continue in places,

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<v Speaker 1>and today had of course the no Kings protest and

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<v Speaker 1>thousands of cities and municipalities all over the country to

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<v Speaker 1>protest President trump ice deportations, of the raids that have

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<v Speaker 1>been going on, the things by the way that President

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<v Speaker 1>Trump promised would happen if he were elected president, and

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<v Speaker 1>also all kinds of trans rites protests to mixed in,

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<v Speaker 1>because well, really, if you've been paying attention since nineteen

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<v Speaker 1>twenty or since twenty twenty, hell since nineteen twenty probably

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<v Speaker 1>the communists have been on the march in America. But

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<v Speaker 1>since twenty twenty with the BLM and the Antifa riots

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<v Speaker 1>and the takeovers that we saw there that were not

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<v Speaker 1>mostly peaceful like we were all told by a lot

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<v Speaker 1>of the mainstream media. We've seen this repeat again here

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<v Speaker 1>in twenty twenty five, first off, responding to the ice

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<v Speaker 1>raids in Los Angeles, and this is where the violence

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<v Speaker 1>really began with the left and the people who were

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<v Speaker 1>objecting to federal officials upholding the law I thought it

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<v Speaker 1>would be interesting to talk to Mark Mix, who is

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<v Speaker 1>a frequent guest many times. He is president of the

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<v Speaker 1>National Right to Work Committee and National Right to Work

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<v Speaker 1>Legal Defense Foundation, and he is our guest for this

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<v Speaker 1>first half hour tonight, Mark Mix, Welcome to the show,

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<v Speaker 1>and Happy Father's Day to you.

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<v Speaker 2>Well, Garry Jeff, thank you for that. I've got six

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<v Speaker 2>kids that hopefully will come say something nice to me

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<v Speaker 2>on Sunday. I'm not sure, but I think I've earned it.

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<v Speaker 2>They may not agree, but I think I have, so

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<v Speaker 2>thank you for that. It's good being a dad.

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<v Speaker 3>Well certainly.

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<v Speaker 1>The SIU California president was arrested at one of the

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<v Speaker 1>ice raids last week after blocking federal agents from performing

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<v Speaker 1>their lawful duties like so many others have. But Mark,

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<v Speaker 1>I wanted to ask you, how involved are these public

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<v Speaker 1>service employees unions in not only participating in these not

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<v Speaker 1>so peaceful protests and the obstruction of justice and even

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<v Speaker 1>financing them.

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<v Speaker 3>What do we know so far?

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah, Gary jeff Well, the president of the California SEIU,

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<v Speaker 2>was part of a group of protesters that blocked the

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<v Speaker 2>ingress and exit from a detention facility out in Los

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<v Speaker 2>Angeles and that kind.

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<v Speaker 4>He sat in front of a vehicle and wouldn't move.

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<v Speaker 2>And then there was other kind of incidents that were

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<v Speaker 2>involved in that particular event, and he was arrested and

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<v Speaker 2>went to jail, and of course that became the cause

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<v Speaker 2>celeb of organized labor was you know, this guy, our

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<v Speaker 2>union official who's exercising you know, so called First Amendment

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<v Speaker 2>rights when it comes to protest, must be released. He

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<v Speaker 2>was released on Monday on I guess a fifty thousand

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<v Speaker 2>dollars bond. But we'll be back in front of a

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<v Speaker 2>judge somewhere, I think, to basically determine whether or not

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<v Speaker 2>he's guilty of blocking a mission, you know, the mission

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<v Speaker 2>of a federal agency as it relates to what they

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<v Speaker 2>were doing. And I appreciate Gary Jeff that you said,

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<v Speaker 2>this is granted what what Trump said he was going

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<v Speaker 2>to do. He's going to enforce immigration laws, and they

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<v Speaker 2>were going to take control of a system that'd been

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<v Speaker 2>out of control for four years. But union officials like

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<v Speaker 2>Dennis Warta, the president of the California s CiU, disagree,

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<v Speaker 2>and so blocking it completely was something they wanted to do.

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<v Speaker 2>And then we find out that these unions, the SEIU

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<v Speaker 2>American Federation of Teachers and Noted Food and Commercial Workers,

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<v Speaker 2>the hotel employee restaurant unions, the afl CIO, the iron Workers.

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<v Speaker 2>They're providing resources to the groups in California that are

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<v Speaker 2>behind these protests and behind what you say, mostly peaceful.

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<v Speaker 2>I guess looting and breaking windows is mostly peaceful. That's

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<v Speaker 2>not really that aggressive.

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<v Speaker 1>Well, you know, Mark, they were just they were just

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<v Speaker 1>they were just having fun watching cars burn. Well, yeah,

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<v Speaker 1>I always thought that a good car burning was a

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<v Speaker 1>mostly peaceful pastime. Not in my neighborhood, thank god. And

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<v Speaker 1>I will tell you this, Mark, I'm really surprised about

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<v Speaker 1>the Teamsters, since they supported President Trump and they knew exactly.

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<v Speaker 1>And I'm surprised that a lot of these labor unions

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<v Speaker 1>are participating and helping finance and facilitate these not peaceful

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<v Speaker 1>protests in places, this violence, in this vandalism, not because

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<v Speaker 1>they haven't in the past, But don't they aren't they

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<v Speaker 1>here to support the American worker, the American worker, American

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<v Speaker 1>citizens or are they here you're mainly just as resistance

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<v Speaker 1>as opposition to anybody.

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<v Speaker 3>Who is for the American worker. That's my question.

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<v Speaker 4>Well, that's a great question.

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<v Speaker 2>And it raises a very interesting point about the union

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<v Speaker 2>movement in America today, Gary Jeff.

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<v Speaker 5>When you think.

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<v Speaker 2>About, first of all, the public sector unions versus the

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<v Speaker 2>private sector unions, there is a disconnect there between those two.

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<v Speaker 2>And then when you take the so called leadership of

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<v Speaker 2>the unions and then you juxtaposition it against the rank

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<v Speaker 2>and file workers, you begin to see the difference between

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<v Speaker 2>the attitudes and values of the union officials versus that

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<v Speaker 2>of the rank and file members. I mean, it is

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<v Speaker 2>very clear that a majority, a fairly substantial majority of

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<v Speaker 2>private sector union members and union households voted for Donald Trump.

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<v Speaker 2>But union officials, on the other hand, using money that's

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<v Speaker 2>collected oftentimes in twenty four states as a condition of

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<v Speaker 2>you keeping your job, turn around and spend that money

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<v Speaker 2>on politics that rank and file workers disagree with. And

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<v Speaker 2>I think that's the point here with the government unions.

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<v Speaker 2>You know, there may be a different ideological difference between

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<v Speaker 2>public sector employees and private sector employees. But your point,

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<v Speaker 2>Gary Jeff, about the American worker and that five point

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<v Speaker 2>nine percent of the private sector workforce that unionized, they

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<v Speaker 2>have a completely different view of the world than the

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<v Speaker 2>leaders that and I use my finger quotes. When I

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<v Speaker 2>say leaders, the leaders they claim that they represent these

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<v Speaker 2>workers and then to use that money that they collect

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<v Speaker 2>as a conditioner of employment to fund activities. I think

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<v Speaker 2>the more that's exposed, the more union officials will be

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<v Speaker 2>held accountable by rank and file workers.

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<v Speaker 4>And maybe, just maybe we'll get.

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<v Speaker 2>A union movement that focus more on the shop floor

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<v Speaker 2>than they do on what's going on in Washington, DC,

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<v Speaker 2>or Columbus, Ohio, or Sacramento, California, or all but.

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<v Speaker 3>In New York.

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<v Speaker 5>Well.

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<v Speaker 1>The Trump derangement syndrome that seems to infected most of

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<v Speaker 1>the Democrat Party and these union as air quotes leaders

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<v Speaker 1>has spread, of course, to elected officials, like the California

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<v Speaker 1>Senator Padilla, who was apprehended while lunging for DHS Secretary

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<v Speaker 1>CHRISTI Nomant a press conference, basically looking like he was

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<v Speaker 1>gonna bum rusher from the podium at a press conference.

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<v Speaker 1>At a news conference, and he said, don't you know

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<v Speaker 1>I'm a United States Senator. It's like, well, you should

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<v Speaker 1>probably act like one. I don't know if you saw

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<v Speaker 1>that video or not from this past week, but certainly

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<v Speaker 1>there are members of the House who have acted in

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<v Speaker 1>this manner who are essentially either breaking the law or

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<v Speaker 1>breaking protocol. All he had to do was ask for

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<v Speaker 1>a meeting with her or participate. I guess he could

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<v Speaker 1>participate from the back of this press conference if he

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<v Speaker 1>was called upon and ask her a question. Seems that

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<v Speaker 1>they had a chat after he was apprehended after lunging

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<v Speaker 1>at her. And you're seeing this over and over again

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<v Speaker 1>from people that really are not acting like they should

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<v Speaker 1>be acting to be in the position that this is

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<v Speaker 1>a United States senator, this is one of the most

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<v Speaker 1>one hundred most powerful people in our government, and he

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<v Speaker 1>has to be restrained by officers of the law because

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<v Speaker 1>he is breaking the law or trying to threaten a

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<v Speaker 1>cabinet member. Is this is stuff is getting out of hand,

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<v Speaker 1>and it's not just the unions that are involved.

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<v Speaker 2>Mark Mix Yeah, indeed, and it makes for good theater

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<v Speaker 2>and it makes for great headlines on the so called

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<v Speaker 2>legacy media. I mean, the framing of this thing as

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<v Speaker 2>it relates to how it all went down has been

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<v Speaker 2>you know, you'd think you were on a different planet

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<v Speaker 2>watching a certain media outlet versus another one as it

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<v Speaker 2>relates to how this thing came down and how it

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<v Speaker 2>how he acted but it got headlines, it got media,

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<v Speaker 2>and to your point, Gary Get it folds into that

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<v Speaker 2>kind of Trump derangement syndrome of saying, you know, this

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<v Speaker 2>is what these alleged marches are going to be today about.

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<v Speaker 2>You know, no kings or this national Day of Resistance,

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<v Speaker 2>whatever you want to call it against the Trump administration,

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<v Speaker 2>when in fact, to your earlier point, he's doing what

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<v Speaker 2>he said he was going to do if people voted

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<v Speaker 2>for him to be president the United States, and the

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<v Speaker 2>majority of Americans, not only electoral college, but the popular vote,

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<v Speaker 2>voted for a president that articulated safe borders, secure borders,

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<v Speaker 2>law and order, rule of law, I mean, keeping men

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<v Speaker 2>out of women's showers and bathrooms and sports. Those types

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<v Speaker 2>of policies are what attracted Americans to this presidency and

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<v Speaker 2>the Democrats and some of those people like Senator Padilla

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<v Speaker 2>from California, who I guess I wouldn't have recognized him

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<v Speaker 2>if he tried to bumblell be, but now we do,

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<v Speaker 2>we recognize him. It was a good r stunt for him,

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<v Speaker 2>And you're right. Senator calls a cabinet secretary, they get

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<v Speaker 2>the phone call answered, they get the time. They just

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<v Speaker 2>have to ask for it in a polite and civilized

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<v Speaker 2>way as opposed to trying to make a media event

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<v Speaker 1>And that's all it was performance theater, and so much

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<v Speaker 1>of this is just immersed in performance theater. Mark mix

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<v Speaker 1>I wanted to ask you to because you and I

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<v Speaker 1>have talked many times before. All unions are not created equal,

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<v Speaker 1>and you have no problem with people wanting to be

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<v Speaker 1>a member of the union if they that's what they choose,

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<v Speaker 1>if that's the best option for them. But these public

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<v Speaker 1>service employees unions, again like the SEIU and asked me,

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<v Speaker 1>and the teachers' unions, they just seem to be so

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<v Speaker 1>out of step with the rest of America. If you

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<v Speaker 1>look at the polling, if you look at what the

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<v Speaker 1>American people prefer, if you look at this deportation thing,

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<v Speaker 1>in many cases.

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<v Speaker 3>Is an eighty twenty issue.

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<v Speaker 1>The trans movement and regarding men biological men being involved

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<v Speaker 1>in women's sports that you mentioned earlier is pretty much

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<v Speaker 1>an eighty twenty issue, and some of these unions seem

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<v Speaker 1>like they're on the twenty side of that. Are they

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<v Speaker 1>just used to being in the minority in this country

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<v Speaker 1>or what is the reasoning behind that is? Again, is

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<v Speaker 1>it again just opposition to American values? Is it opposition

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<v Speaker 1>to Donald Trump?

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<v Speaker 3>What is it?

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<v Speaker 2>Well, I think it's kind of all of the above,

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<v Speaker 2>Gary Jack. But what really predicates it, in what supports

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<v Speaker 2>it is this idea that they can take away your

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<v Speaker 2>right to speak for yourself, even though you never asked for,

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<v Speaker 2>or never voted for, or never wanted them in your workplace.

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<v Speaker 4>This idea of freedom of association.

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<v Speaker 2>It presupposes you have the right not to associate logically,

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<v Speaker 2>but yet union officials, particularly in the public sector, in

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<v Speaker 2>the government sector, have been great this union monopoly control.

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<v Speaker 2>And so when you can't be held accountable by those

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<v Speaker 2>speak for them, they don't get to speak for themselves.

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<v Speaker 2>And then when you kind of add in the liberal

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<v Speaker 2>ideology of the most union officials, and I mentioned already

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<v Speaker 2>Franklin Roosevelt was against this, Gary Jeff. He was asked

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<v Speaker 2>afl CIO, the Executive Committee, the AFLCIO back in the

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<v Speaker 2>late nineteen fifties early sixty said no, we're not going

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<v Speaker 4>But for government employees, for.

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<v Speaker 2>Union officials today, the government employee base, I mean, which

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<v Speaker 2>Gary Jeff. Today, our public sector employees are government employees.

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<v Speaker 2>It's a final frontier for them. It's the you know,

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<v Speaker 2>it's the idea that there's no competition and that your demands,

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<v Speaker 2>if they're met, you know, they just come from this

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<v Speaker 2>ever increasing flow or re rekindling flow of taxpayer money.

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<v Speaker 2>As opposed to the private sector where if you if

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<v Speaker 2>where it is. And it's this unaccountability. It's this control

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<v Speaker 2>and power and privilege they've been granted over the years,

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<v Speaker 2>and I think people are reacting to that well, and.

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<v Speaker 1>The fact that teachers unions control elections in a lot

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<v Speaker 1>because they are the largest employers in those districts. That

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah, their power is out of all proportions to their numbers.

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<v Speaker 2>But that power is a legislative granted privilege, and they

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<v Speaker 2>have used that extremely effectively over the des aids to

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<v Speaker 2>increase their power, particularly in an election process. I mean,

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<v Speaker 2>and you see the power of that exercise and nothing.

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<v Speaker 2>I mean, they go out and vote, they vote their way,

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<v Speaker 2>but most of the time they're voting to get their

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<v Speaker 2>really strange. And they do have power, but that power,

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<v Speaker 2>again is a government granted power and privilege. You know,

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<v Speaker 2>when you tell teachers, for example, a new teacher that

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<v Speaker 6>Be part of.

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<v Speaker 2>And the thing you have to do is sign a

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<v Speaker 2>ever got sued in the classroom, we're here to protect

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<v Speaker 2>you and we have insurance, when in fact, you know,

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<v Speaker 2>politicians have tried, for example, for teachers, saying let's cover

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<v Speaker 2>the teachers under the state insurance policy program, which it

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<v Speaker 2>only costs us a couple of bucks, and of course

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<v Speaker 2>the unions oppose that because it's a major draw when

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<v Speaker 2>they scare the budjeekers out of these new teachers and

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<v Speaker 2>create that power. There are many teachers that benefit to

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<v Speaker 2>your point, Geary Jeff, to benefit and want to be

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<v Speaker 2>they agree with what they do. That's all fine, But

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<v Speaker 2>in the public sector we run into a real problem

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<v Speaker 2>when you give a private organization power in between citizens

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<v Speaker 2>and elected officials. And that's where the unions are positioned

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<v Speaker 2>when it comes to government.

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<v Speaker 1>Excellent point, Mark Mix, president of the National Right to

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<v Speaker 1>Work Legal Defense Foundation. Now, are you are there any

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<v Speaker 1>cases that you'd like to spotlight real quickly tonight before

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<v Speaker 2>Well, we've been busy in Ohio and that area, Gary Jeff.

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<v Speaker 2>You know, at the beginning of the year, we were

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<v Speaker 2>working with some employees that at Freedo LA at Freedo,

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<v Speaker 2>lay Warehouse and Wooster, Ohio, and some Omnisource employees in Toledo,

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<v Speaker 2>Ohio that basically decertified the Team Stirs union. They had

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<v Speaker 2>a vote and they threw the Team Stirs out because

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<v Speaker 2>you know this disconnect between leadership and others. We're obviously

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<v Speaker 2>working right now. There are cases all over the country

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<v Speaker 2>we've got helping individual employees exercise their rights in the workplace.

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<v Speaker 2>The Foundation, with our nineteen staff attorneys, have about two

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<v Speaker 2>hundred and sixty active cases as you and I talked

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<v Speaker 2>this evening, Gary, Jeff. So there's lots of work to

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<v Speaker 2>do and lots of opportunity for workers who have questions

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<v Speaker 2>about their rights in the workplace viause of the unionization

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<v Speaker 2>can contact the Foundation and get help and get answers

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<v Speaker 2>to questions. And so we're excited to be able to

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<v Speaker 3>Who would they contact, Mark if you can real quick?

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah, they can contact the Foundation at NRTW dot org

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<v Speaker 2>WWWNRTW dot org and there's lots of information there, or

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<v Speaker 2>rights in the American Workplace.

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<v Speaker 1>Mark Mix from the National Right to Work Foundation. Thank

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<v Speaker 1>you so much for your time, and again, Happy Father's Day,

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<v Speaker 1>my friend.

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<v Speaker 4>Thanks Jerry, Jeff, appreciate the.

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<v Speaker 3>Time you got it.

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<v Speaker 1>Ed Bartlett on Father's and Father's Day coming up after

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<v Speaker 3>Is this half hour we're going to be talking with.

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<v Speaker 6>Edward Bartlett Barmer.

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<v Speaker 3>Who is the.

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<v Speaker 1>Who is the president of excuse me, who was the

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<v Speaker 1>president of the International Council for Men and Boys, a

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<v Speaker 1>non governmental organization working to assure gender.

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<v Speaker 3>Equality for all.

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<v Speaker 1>Of course, we had the women's equality movement back in

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<v Speaker 3>Ed I don't know what was.

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<v Speaker 1>The reason that you decided, and your organization decided that

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<v Speaker 1>men needed a quality too. By God, and believe me,

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<v Speaker 1>as a red bl lot of American male, I'm all

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<v Speaker 1>for it. This is also the conclusion this week of

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<v Speaker 1>International Men's Health.

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<v Speaker 3>Week observed around the world.

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<v Speaker 1>Tomorrow is Father's Day, and I wanted to tell you first,

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<v Speaker 1>Ed that my dad is still with us at the

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<v Speaker 1>age of eighty eight. He'll be eighty nine, God willing

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<v Speaker 1>at the end of October if he gets through this

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<v Speaker 1>lit if he gets through this little impasse. My dad

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<v Speaker 1>has fibrosis and has been back in the hospital this

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<v Speaker 3>He's doing great, doing better.

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<v Speaker 1>But so what was there what was the reason initially

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<v Speaker 1>for an international Council for Men and Boys?

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<v Speaker 5>Yeah, great question, Jeff, And thank you for sharing about

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<v Speaker 5>your dad and I wish him good health and happiness

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<v Speaker 5>and a Swiss recovery. So thanks for sharing that. But

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<v Speaker 5>to answer your question, so you've I'm sure you've heard

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<v Speaker 5>the claim that there's a something that feminists like to

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<v Speaker 5>refer to as the oppressive patriarchy, which is, you know,

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<v Speaker 5>constantly searching for ways to oppress and discriminate against women.

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<v Speaker 5>Well, if I told you now that there is no

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<v Speaker 5>such thing as patriarchy, would you be totally surprised.

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<v Speaker 1>No, there is a much a much more base kind

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<v Speaker 1>of thing that me and guys have said amongst each other,

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<v Speaker 1>usually not with women around. And it's the fifty percent thing.

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<v Speaker 1>It's fifty percent and all percent. And I'm not going

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<v Speaker 1>to elaborate any further than that, Ed, I have never

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<v Speaker 1>felt like there was a patriarchy in this country or

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<v Speaker 1>in in the world as it related to relations between

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<v Speaker 1>men and women. I don't feel like an oppressor, is

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<v Speaker 1>what I'm telling you.

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<v Speaker 5>Well, honestly, that's exactly how I have felt for many,

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<v Speaker 5>many years and decades. So that feeling and impression that

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<v Speaker 5>I had led us to actually look at the data,

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<v Speaker 5>and not just in the United States. We looked at,

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<v Speaker 5>you know, information from the World Health Organization, the International

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<v Speaker 5>Labor Organization, the World Bank, et cetera, et cetera, to

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<v Speaker 5>track down where does this myth of the feared patriarchy

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<v Speaker 5>come from? Well, it turns out in twelve areas. It's

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<v Speaker 5>the truth is, men are lagging behind women. Okay, you

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<v Speaker 5>know we've already talked about men dying five years earlier

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<v Speaker 5>than women, and not just in the US globally. You know,

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<v Speaker 5>there's a problem of fewer men enrolled in high school

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<v Speaker 5>and colleges these days. As another factor the fact that

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<v Speaker 5>men who will go through divorce but children usually cannot

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<v Speaker 5>get even fifty to fifty shared parenting. Another example the

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<v Speaker 5>more severe treatment of men by the criminal system, even

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<v Speaker 5>when compared to women who commit exactly the same crime.

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<v Speaker 5>I can literally go on and on. There's twelve different areas,

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<v Speaker 5>all based on good, good data, not based on you know,

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<v Speaker 5>some ranting ide logue based on good data that says

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<v Speaker 5>men are lagging behind women. So there is no such

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<v Speaker 5>thing as but patriarchy. Let's say that loud and say

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<v Speaker 5>it clear.

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<v Speaker 1>Yeah, me, men's health is lagging behind in funding research

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<v Speaker 1>and obviously what's pushed in mainstream media.

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<v Speaker 3>Ed Bartlett.

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<v Speaker 1>So we really you're giving voice to half of the

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<v Speaker 1>it comes to their health, especially with International Men's Health

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<v Speaker 1>Week going on. So what kind of initiatives are you guys,

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<v Speaker 1>are we guys pushing and what kind of initiatives can

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<v Speaker 1>help bring us out of the out of the forest

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<v Speaker 1>lacking otherwise.

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<v Speaker 5>Well, first of all, let me say that Men's International

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<v Speaker 5>Men's Health Week, in fact is being observed all around

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<v Speaker 5>the world. In fact, there's organizations and if I can

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<v Speaker 5>just tell you the list of countries Australia, Canada, Germany, Ireland,

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<v Speaker 5>United Kingdoms and the United States. In each of those

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<v Speaker 5>countries there is a designated organization that's leading the charge

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<v Speaker 5>and they're holding seminars, media campaign you name it. They're

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<v Speaker 5>trying to get this issue into the public eye. So

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<v Speaker 5>I think the key, you know, the question to answer

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<v Speaker 5>to your question is we need to publicize these facts

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<v Speaker 5>because again, there's still this narrative it's pretty widespread that

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<v Speaker 5>says that that men are you know, are somehow you

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<v Speaker 5>know hop pot have all of the power. And if

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<v Speaker 5>I can, let me give an example of that. So,

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<v Speaker 5>so I used to work at the Department of Health

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<v Speaker 5>and Human Services, the federal DHHS. I was there seventeen years.

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<v Speaker 5>I had a wonderful experience, but after I left, I

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<v Speaker 5>learned a really dispariting fact. There are seven offices of

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<v Speaker 5>women's health at DHHS against seven offices women's sealth. Zero

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<v Speaker 5>offices of men's health at DHHS.

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<v Speaker 3>Now zero.

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<v Speaker 5>Exactly, there are zero offices even though men are dying

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<v Speaker 5>five years earlier, and we haven't even talked about suicide issues.

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<v Speaker 5>But you know, right there you have to say, wow, well,

435
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<v Speaker 5>what the heck is going on? How did that possibly happen?

436
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<v Speaker 5>And if I came, I'll give you the answer to

437
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<v Speaker 5>that that question. So feminus like to float myths in

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<v Speaker 5>order to support for flame of patriarchy. So the myth

439
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<v Speaker 5>here is Oh, well, women were routinely excluded for medical

440
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<v Speaker 5>research for years and years and years. Well, I have

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<v Speaker 5>news for you, and it's not just research that I

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<v Speaker 5>have done personally. A researcher named James nousoh and u

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<v Speaker 5>Zzo recently did a report on exactly this and guess

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<v Speaker 5>what he found.

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<v Speaker 3>Zero.

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<v Speaker 5>You know, you go all the way back to nineteen

447
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<v Speaker 5>sixty six and beyond that, there was no exclusion, there

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<v Speaker 5>was no under representation, there was no shortfall in funding.

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<v Speaker 5>It's an absolute myth that has been created.

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<v Speaker 1>Well, it sounds a whole lot more like a lie

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<v Speaker 1>than a myth. I think you're being kind when you

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<v Speaker 1>say it's a myth, ed Barley.

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<v Speaker 3>But aren't guys? Haven't guys been to this point?

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<v Speaker 1>And this is maybe why International Men's Health Week globally

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<v Speaker 1>is so important, just from a matter of awareness. Aren't guys?

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<v Speaker 1>Aren't we our own worst enemy when it comes to

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<v Speaker 1>our health? Because you know, I didn't need anybody to

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<v Speaker 1>tell me that I should see a doctor every year,

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<v Speaker 1>But for thirty five years I didn't see a doctor.

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<v Speaker 1>I didn't think anything was wrong, So why go even

461
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<v Speaker 1>though we should all go get a physical or a

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<v Speaker 1>wellness check? At least annually, if not more often. Women

463
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<v Speaker 1>go all the time, but men tend to not unless

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<v Speaker 1>their arm is falling off or unless something is majorly wrong.

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<v Speaker 1>And you know this is true. And I don't know

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<v Speaker 1>if that's part of the psyche of men. Have we

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<v Speaker 1>been programmed this way or is it?

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<v Speaker 3>Is it something else?

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<v Speaker 5>Yeah, you're you're really raising a terrific good question. And

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<v Speaker 5>and yes, I think it's fair to say that that

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<v Speaker 5>call it part of the DNA and men that men

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<v Speaker 5>tend to think of ourselves as strong and self reliant.

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<v Speaker 5>I think that's not just in the US. I think

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<v Speaker 5>there's that basic truth is true around the world. So yes,

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<v Speaker 5>it can lead to men tending to deny their own

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<v Speaker 5>health needs. I was personally, I was fortunate. I was

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<v Speaker 5>a draftee in the army many many years ago. I

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<v Speaker 5>ended up as a medical corman, so I began to understand,

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<v Speaker 5>sort of at that gut level, Hey, you know, it's

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<v Speaker 5>important to really pay attention to our health. So but yeah,

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<v Speaker 5>this is I think this point that you're raising is

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<v Speaker 5>a an important lesson for International Men's Health Month?

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<v Speaker 7>Is that?

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<v Speaker 5>And weak? Is that?

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<v Speaker 4>Yeah?

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<v Speaker 5>Men, we need to pay attention more to our own bodies,

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<v Speaker 5>our own health, make sure that the motor is still running.

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<v Speaker 3>Yeah, well, Ed.

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<v Speaker 1>When I finally went in August of twenty nineteen, because

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<v Speaker 1>I literally felt like I was dying, I was having

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<v Speaker 1>a heart attack or something. When I finally went to

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<v Speaker 1>the emergency room, my blood pressure was two seventy eight

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<v Speaker 1>over one eighty seven. It was the only time I'd

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<v Speaker 1>ever seen a medical professional, this woman who was a

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<v Speaker 1>nurse's aide or a nurse reading the numbers on the screen,

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<v Speaker 1>and she said oh and then an expletive and ran

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<v Speaker 1>out of the room to go get somebody.

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<v Speaker 7>Uh.

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<v Speaker 4>Wow.

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<v Speaker 1>I found out that I had obviously chronic hypertension. I

501
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<v Speaker 1>found out that I was a Type two diabetic. I

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<v Speaker 1>found out that I had some minor heart disease. And

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<v Speaker 1>I hadn't I hadn't been to the doctor in over

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<v Speaker 1>thirty years.

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<v Speaker 7>Ed.

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<v Speaker 1>I mean, but this this is I'm just I'm not

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<v Speaker 1>the only idiot out there. A lot of us guys

508
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<v Speaker 1>are walking around and we're we're just walking time bombs.

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<v Speaker 1>How how can you get the message out to those

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<v Speaker 1>guys to let them know that, uh, if nobody else

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<v Speaker 1>is going to look after our health, we certainly have to.

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<v Speaker 5>Well, thank you christ All, thank you for sharing that

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<v Speaker 5>personal experience. And I think that's that's the critical part

514
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<v Speaker 5>of the equation here is is that that men need

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<v Speaker 5>to speak out more about, you know, the challenges that

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<v Speaker 5>we have faced. I've also faced in a way similar challenges,

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<v Speaker 5>not high blood pressure, but other other types of physical

518
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<v Speaker 5>challenges that I simply ignored until I start to realize, oh,

519
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<v Speaker 5>I was a little bit over committed and I needed

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<v Speaker 5>to cut back. You know. A big part of this

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<v Speaker 5>is just to simply, you know, get these stories out

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<v Speaker 5>and and talk about it and make it part of

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<v Speaker 5>the general narrative of the public discourse.

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<v Speaker 1>Yeah, some of the events that were held around the

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<v Speaker 1>world this week. In Australia they had the Australian Men's Forum,

526
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<v Speaker 1>Health Forum. Canada, the Canadian Men's Health Foundation launched a

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<v Speaker 1>national hashtag never Alone campaign to address the rising rates

528
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<v Speaker 1>of stress, depression, socialized isolation among men. In Germany and Ireland,

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<v Speaker 1>they all had efforts. What went on in the United

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<v Speaker 1>States this past week.

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<v Speaker 5>Shed In the United States, we have a very active

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<v Speaker 5>group called the Men's Health Network again Men's Health Network,

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<v Speaker 5>and they have been actually approaching all of the governors

534
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<v Speaker 5>of every state asking them to issue a proclamation about

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<v Speaker 5>the importance of men's health. The Men's Health Networks also

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<v Speaker 5>been and with certain pharmaceutical companies to publicize this. So

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<v Speaker 5>a lot is going on behind the back, you know,

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<v Speaker 5>in the background that may not be in the public eye,

539
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<v Speaker 5>at least not yet. But the point is that this

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<v Speaker 5>is part of a growing movement to say, hey, men

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<v Speaker 5>are lagging behind women in twelve different areas. One of

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<v Speaker 5>those is healthcare.

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<v Speaker 1>All Right, you're president of the International Council for Men

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<v Speaker 1>and Boys, and I think it's key that this last

545
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<v Speaker 1>part is key because boys become men, we hope, And

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<v Speaker 1>are there any efforts to educate the younger of us,

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<v Speaker 1>males of the species that you guys are putting forward.

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<v Speaker 5>Well, one of the pull areas that we are very

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<v Speaker 5>concerned about is what's often referred to as the boy crisis.

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<v Speaker 5>There's actually a book written by a fellow nu Juan Ferrell,

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<v Speaker 5>call The Boy Crisis that documents how boys are becoming

552
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<v Speaker 5>increasingly disconnected from from their their families, from their friends,

553
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<v Speaker 5>from their classmates, school classmates. So yeah, there's there's a

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<v Speaker 5>real effort to address this and say hey, folks, we

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<v Speaker 5>really have to wake up here not all as well

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<v Speaker 5>with our young boys, or or with with other men.

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<v Speaker 5>So yeah, a lot of this is simply public awareness.

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<v Speaker 1>All right, And that's what you guys are pushing because

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<v Speaker 1>you know, uh, there's a narrative that is preaching toxic

560
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<v Speaker 1>masculinity as well as the patriarchy that you were talking about.

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<v Speaker 3>That's a myth.

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<v Speaker 1>I think toxic masculinity is another one of those pedled

563
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<v Speaker 1>myths that we've been fed that actually hurt men. And

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<v Speaker 1>and because men are important, and I think that's the

565
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<v Speaker 1>whole crux of this conversation at Bartlett, is that men

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<v Speaker 1>are as important to society as women are. Without men,

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<v Speaker 1>you don't have a functioning society, you don't have a

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<v Speaker 1>propagation of the species, you don't have a world that

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<v Speaker 1>is livable without men. And it's important that men get

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<v Speaker 1>their due. And I'm glad that you are doing something

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<v Speaker 1>about that from a health standpoint and a mental health standpoint.

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<v Speaker 1>For if people wanted to know more, how would they

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<v Speaker 1>find out more at Bartlett?

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<v Speaker 7>Yeah?

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<v Speaker 5>Sure. So here's our web address. It's www dot Men

576
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<v Speaker 5>and Boys dot net, Men and Boys dot net, and

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<v Speaker 5>on our home page one of the twelve areas of

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<v Speaker 5>concern is men's health.

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<v Speaker 3>All right, well, fantastic Again, are you a father ed?

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<v Speaker 5>I am a proud father of three boys, so wholeheartedly yes.

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<v Speaker 1>So you have been teaching your boys these lessons hopefully

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<v Speaker 1>through the years.

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<v Speaker 5>I've done my best. I'm not a perfect dad, but

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<v Speaker 5>I certainly have done my best to be a wonderful

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<v Speaker 5>good dad to my three boys, and I love them

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<v Speaker 5>so dearly.

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<v Speaker 1>Well, a happy Father's Day and enjoy the ties or

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<v Speaker 1>whatever may come as a result of all this good

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<v Speaker 1>parenting and the good fatherhood that you have displayed.

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<v Speaker 3>And Bartley, thank you for being our guest tonight. All right,

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<v Speaker 3>thank you.

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<v Speaker 7>Good to chat with you.

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<v Speaker 1>Jeff, Yeah, fantastic, thank you, sir. Father's Day tomorrow. Guys,

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<v Speaker 1>You're not the problem, but you need to you need

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<v Speaker 1>to investigate these issues and make sure that there's not

596
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<v Speaker 1>another problem, including your health, because it's one of those

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<v Speaker 1>things that are over look by society and by proxy,

598
00:35:02.960 --> 00:35:07.920
<v Speaker 1>we overlook too many times. Father's Date tomorrow, we continue

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<v Speaker 1>this show Todd Sheets to talk a little economics on

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<v Speaker 1>a Saturday night. When we continue on this special Saturday

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<v Speaker 1>night cap, I'm Gary Jeff, and this is seven hundred

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<v Speaker 1>WLW into another hour of this special Saturday nightcap on

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<v Speaker 1>seven hundred wl W. And joining us for this half

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<v Speaker 1>hour for this segment is a guy who kind of

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<v Speaker 1>knows a little bit about the economy and trade, to

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<v Speaker 1>say the least.

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<v Speaker 3>His name is Todd Sheets.

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<v Speaker 1>He's the author of, among other things, two thousand and eight,

609
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<v Speaker 1>What Really Happened? And those of us who lived through

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<v Speaker 1>two thousand and eight and the meltdown in the recession,

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<v Speaker 1>it's a good primer on what not to do again.

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<v Speaker 1>And we're going to talk a little bit about the

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<v Speaker 1>Trump trade discussions and how do we get foreign relations

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<v Speaker 1>back on track with the great reset of President Trump

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<v Speaker 1>being in office now and Russia and China and now Iran,

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<v Speaker 1>with Israel and Iran being at war. Of course, Israel,

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<v Speaker 1>a little brother in the middle of the sea of monsters,

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<v Speaker 1>fighting a seven front war of people that want to

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<v Speaker 1>destroy their country and wipe them off the map, finally took,

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<v Speaker 1>as you know by now, the kinetic action to knock

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<v Speaker 1>out Iran's nuclear capabilities and their air defense systems. And

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<v Speaker 1>Iran has responded, of course, in kind, with all kinds

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<v Speaker 1>of attacks on Israel and civilian populations, and just wondering

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<v Speaker 1>how this is going to affect the economic picture and

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<v Speaker 1>the trade reset that President Trump has been working so

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<v Speaker 1>hard to do to get us back on track financially

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<v Speaker 1>as a country and with foreign trade.

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<v Speaker 3>Todd Sheets, Welcome to the show, Garry.

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<v Speaker 6>I'm glad to be with you again.

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<v Speaker 3>Yep, good to have you.

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<v Speaker 1>Basically, how does this war and hopefully it's resolved soon

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<v Speaker 1>and Iran comes to their senses. I think that there

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<v Speaker 1>is agreement among a lot of people that the only

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<v Speaker 1>way there's a resolution to this now is for the

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<v Speaker 1>Ayatolas regime to be upended by the Iranian people, and

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<v Speaker 1>it seems like there's a whole lot of support for

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<v Speaker 1>that within the country of Iran. How do you think

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<v Speaker 1>that's been handled so far, Todd, And what do you

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<v Speaker 1>think it means ultimately for the US and Israel and

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<v Speaker 1>global trade.

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<v Speaker 8>Sure, a couple of thoughts here. I've written in my

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<v Speaker 8>sub stacked pieces on Wealth and Progress recently about these

643
00:38:03.639 --> 00:38:07.199
<v Speaker 8>geopolitical issues how it fits into the big picture. And

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<v Speaker 8>one of the points that I've made there is that

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<v Speaker 8>I think, you know, we need to use our trade

646
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<v Speaker 8>policy and our foreign policy to kind of divide the

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<v Speaker 8>world into.

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<v Speaker 6>Not to be too simplistic about it, but our allies

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<v Speaker 6>and enemies.

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<v Speaker 8>And our allies are people who are consistently countries, consistently

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<v Speaker 8>peaceful over long periods of time, and who engage with

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<v Speaker 8>us in trade and other commercial matters under the rules

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00:38:40.480 --> 00:38:44.320
<v Speaker 8>of law and the terms of commercial engagement, you know

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<v Speaker 8>that have developed in the West and have been proven

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<v Speaker 8>to lift hundreds and hundreds of millions of people up

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00:38:52.599 --> 00:38:57.280
<v Speaker 8>out of poverty and into a better life. And our enemies,

657
00:38:57.760 --> 00:39:01.480
<v Speaker 8>instead of kind of dividing them by what they say

658
00:39:01.519 --> 00:39:05.079
<v Speaker 8>when we're in a negotiation, or even what the form

659
00:39:05.159 --> 00:39:09.280
<v Speaker 8>of their government is, or how much they've adopted our values,

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<v Speaker 8>our enemies are the countries that consistently engage in hostile

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<v Speaker 8>actions and aggressions against peaceful nations, and that consistently refuse

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<v Speaker 8>to engage in commerce, you know, under those rules and

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<v Speaker 8>standards that I just mentioned. And so I think if

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<v Speaker 8>you look at that enemy's list, the ones that clearly

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<v Speaker 8>fall in that category China, Iran, Russia, and North Korea,

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<v Speaker 8>and that's where we need to be focused. And one

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<v Speaker 8>of the other points I've made is that instead of

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<v Speaker 8>going through these on again, off again negotiations with these

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<v Speaker 8>countries where it's like, you know, they're sanctions for a

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<v Speaker 8>period of time, and then we negotiate and the sanctions

671
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<v Speaker 8>are removed, are partially removed, and then they go back

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00:39:56.480 --> 00:39:58.440
<v Speaker 8>to the old habits, and then we put them on again.

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<v Speaker 8>We need to consist, isolate and have sanctions on those countries.

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<v Speaker 8>And so obviously now Iran, you know, developing a nuclear

675
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<v Speaker 8>weapon has crossed the line into this category where something

676
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<v Speaker 8>had to be done. And I think, unlike what's happened

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<v Speaker 8>in Europe with Russia and Ukraine, we are and our

678
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<v Speaker 8>European allies who have not stepped up to play a

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<v Speaker 8>leading role in dealing with what is primarily a regional

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<v Speaker 8>crisis in the Middle East.

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<v Speaker 6>We are very.

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<v Speaker 8>Fortunate to have Israel, which is a relatively small country

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<v Speaker 8>but you know, has developed a great deal of military

684
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<v Speaker 8>strength with our help, but we also with their own initiatives,

685
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<v Speaker 8>and they have the courage to use it and play

686
00:40:51.079 --> 00:40:53.800
<v Speaker 8>the first line of defense over there. So those are

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<v Speaker 8>my first thoughts about all of this, and we're just

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<v Speaker 8>very fortunate to have a partner like Israel. And then

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<v Speaker 8>I also, as you kind of alluded to, believe that.

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<v Speaker 8>I think both NETS and Yahoo and Israel and Trump

691
00:41:07.280 --> 00:41:11.880
<v Speaker 8>have just done a masterful job of coordinating their efforts

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<v Speaker 8>and trying to pursue a peaceful resolution, giving that as

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<v Speaker 8>much chance as it possibly could have. And then when

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<v Speaker 8>you know, the Ayatola refused to go down that path,

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<v Speaker 8>then Israel has stepped up.

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<v Speaker 6>And done what needed to be done over there.

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<v Speaker 1>Yeah, I kind of think, you know, and we're playing

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<v Speaker 1>armchair quarterback in Hindsight's twenty twenty and all of that,

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<v Speaker 1>Todd But I can't help but think that Iran basically

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<v Speaker 1>showed us who they were when the Islamis took over

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<v Speaker 1>that country in nineteen seventy nine and took over our embassy,

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<v Speaker 1>which is de facto US soil, and took that part.

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<v Speaker 1>When they did that, they declared war on the United States.

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<v Speaker 1>But we never declared. We never we never followed up

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<v Speaker 1>with that. Really, you talk about sanctions and talking trade

706
00:42:04.239 --> 00:42:07.400
<v Speaker 1>and you know, not being consistent with Iran, and we

707
00:42:07.519 --> 00:42:10.599
<v Speaker 1>certainly have not been consistent with Iran over the years,

708
00:42:11.000 --> 00:42:15.440
<v Speaker 1>through the through the Biden administration, through the Obama administration,

709
00:42:16.440 --> 00:42:20.119
<v Speaker 1>we just weren't consistent and and they've never signed a

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<v Speaker 1>deal that they haven't lied about and gone back on.

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<v Speaker 1>So I mean, when you talk about consistency with keeping

712
00:42:29.000 --> 00:42:33.159
<v Speaker 1>pressure on them, that's something United States through the different

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00:42:33.199 --> 00:42:35.840
<v Speaker 1>presidential administrations definitely haven't done.

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<v Speaker 3>Have we.

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<v Speaker 6>No, I completely agree with that.

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<v Speaker 8>And you know, to me, the great lesson of history

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<v Speaker 8>here is Reagan and the Soviet Union. And so, you know,

718
00:42:48.719 --> 00:42:51.519
<v Speaker 8>we kind of went through this same pattern before Reagan,

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00:42:52.000 --> 00:42:55.840
<v Speaker 8>where you know, we would we would negotiate these arms

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<v Speaker 8>treaties and there'd be this big hullabaloo and everybody adding

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<v Speaker 8>each other on the back for having, you know, entered

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<v Speaker 8>into these negotiations.

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<v Speaker 6>This was for years leading up to the nineteen eighties, and.

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<v Speaker 8>Then we would come back home and we would fill

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00:43:09.360 --> 00:43:13.559
<v Speaker 8>honor bound to adhere to the standards of those negotiations,

726
00:43:13.840 --> 00:43:16.480
<v Speaker 8>and the Soviet Union would only do it if they

727
00:43:16.519 --> 00:43:18.559
<v Speaker 8>thought it was in their best interest, and if they didn't,

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00:43:18.559 --> 00:43:20.960
<v Speaker 8>they just do whatever they wanted to it. And this

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00:43:21.039 --> 00:43:26.239
<v Speaker 8>happened through administration after administration, both Democrats and Republican all

730
00:43:26.280 --> 00:43:29.760
<v Speaker 8>the way up through the Nixon administration, and finally Reagan

731
00:43:29.840 --> 00:43:34.000
<v Speaker 8>came in and pointed these issues out and the absurdity

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00:43:34.079 --> 00:43:37.880
<v Speaker 8>of this kind of political approach to it with no consequences.

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<v Speaker 8>And you know, because of the isolation of the Soviet

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<v Speaker 8>economy and Reagan's understanding that, you know, one of our

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<v Speaker 8>greatest resources from a geopolitical perspective was the dynamic nature

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00:43:54.840 --> 00:43:58.599
<v Speaker 8>of our capitalist economy. You know, if we could reinvigorate

737
00:43:58.679 --> 00:44:02.360
<v Speaker 8>growth in our system and raised defense spending as a

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00:44:02.400 --> 00:44:07.159
<v Speaker 8>percentage of GDP, he knew that that Soviet economy couldn't

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00:44:07.239 --> 00:44:09.639
<v Speaker 8>keep up with us, and he was right about it.

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<v Speaker 8>And it was just this incredible message about how powerful

741
00:44:13.960 --> 00:44:19.559
<v Speaker 8>you know, trade and tariff type structures and sanctions.

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00:44:19.480 --> 00:44:20.320
<v Speaker 6>You know, can be.

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<v Speaker 8>If you can take these inherently dysfunctional economies, which all

744
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<v Speaker 8>authoritarian systems are, and isolate them instead of engaging with them,

745
00:44:31.880 --> 00:44:36.360
<v Speaker 8>eventually they will collapse on their own inefficiencies and problems.

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<v Speaker 8>And as you just said, you know, that's to me,

747
00:44:39.360 --> 00:44:42.239
<v Speaker 8>that's the message that we should take away and we

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<v Speaker 8>should be applying to these hostile regimes, the ones I

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<v Speaker 8>just ticked off, including China today on a consistent basis,

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<v Speaker 8>not on and on again, off again type of thing.

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<v Speaker 1>Well, China's economy right now, from everything I'm hearing, is

752
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<v Speaker 1>in a free fall. They're in trouble in China, They're

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00:45:00.880 --> 00:45:05.840
<v Speaker 1>in trouble in Iran. They're in trouble in Russia to

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00:45:05.880 --> 00:45:10.159
<v Speaker 1>a certain extent, are they not? Aren't all those three

755
00:45:10.199 --> 00:45:14.079
<v Speaker 1>economies are flailing right now and are struggling for life.

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<v Speaker 3>Does that elicit hope that a deal.

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00:45:20.039 --> 00:45:23.119
<v Speaker 1>Can be made that's lasting, that we can be staunch

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00:45:23.559 --> 00:45:28.280
<v Speaker 1>and resolute in our dealings with these people, that they

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00:45:28.320 --> 00:45:31.039
<v Speaker 1>will have to come back around to the table.

760
00:45:30.760 --> 00:45:31.719
<v Speaker 3>And be serious.

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<v Speaker 8>Yeah, you know, I think I think the answer the

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<v Speaker 8>first part of that is absolutely yes, and I think

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<v Speaker 8>we should be now with China. We have to go

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00:45:42.360 --> 00:45:45.559
<v Speaker 8>a little bit more slowly because our economy is so

765
00:45:45.800 --> 00:45:49.480
<v Speaker 8>intertwined with theirs, unfortunately at this point, because we failed

766
00:45:49.519 --> 00:45:53.199
<v Speaker 8>to kind of recognize these issues and apply this approach

767
00:45:53.280 --> 00:45:56.559
<v Speaker 8>to isolating them instead of engaging with them. So that

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00:45:56.679 --> 00:45:59.960
<v Speaker 8>has to happen a little bit more gradually, which is

769
00:46:00.320 --> 00:46:03.679
<v Speaker 8>happening as a result of the negotiations that the Trump

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00:46:03.679 --> 00:46:06.079
<v Speaker 8>administration is going through right now. You know, we're looking

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00:46:06.119 --> 00:46:12.119
<v Speaker 8>at tariffs on China going from around three and a

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00:46:12.159 --> 00:46:15.599
<v Speaker 8>half percent before Trump came into office the first time

773
00:46:16.199 --> 00:46:21.079
<v Speaker 8>to about twenty percent after his first administration, and now

774
00:46:21.360 --> 00:46:25.199
<v Speaker 8>according to his recent post moving up.

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<v Speaker 3>Into the fifty percent range.

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<v Speaker 8>So those are significant increases, but there are also ones

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<v Speaker 8>that are at levels that I think give American companies

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00:46:34.960 --> 00:46:39.880
<v Speaker 8>and workers an opportunity to adjust over time without things

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00:46:39.880 --> 00:46:41.199
<v Speaker 8>happening too drastically.

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<v Speaker 6>And you're right about China.

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00:46:43.320 --> 00:46:44.519
<v Speaker 7>I mean, you know, with.

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<v Speaker 8>Some notable exceptions, that they do a great job of

783
00:46:48.440 --> 00:46:50.840
<v Speaker 8>spinning and you know, making it seem like they're in

784
00:46:50.880 --> 00:46:56.800
<v Speaker 8>this great resurgent environment. Their economy is racked with excess

785
00:46:56.920 --> 00:46:59.440
<v Speaker 8>levels of debt, which my understanding is hard to get

786
00:46:59.480 --> 00:47:03.320
<v Speaker 8>good numbers are well above what ours are. They have

787
00:47:03.480 --> 00:47:08.039
<v Speaker 8>high levels of unemployment. They have extraordinary excess capacity in

788
00:47:08.079 --> 00:47:12.280
<v Speaker 8>the housing sector and in manufacturing, where they have pumped

789
00:47:12.280 --> 00:47:14.800
<v Speaker 8>in lots of money to try and build up these

790
00:47:14.800 --> 00:47:17.599
<v Speaker 8>things to keep putting people to work. But they've just

791
00:47:17.719 --> 00:47:20.320
<v Speaker 8>built way too much capacity, and now they're trying to

792
00:47:20.360 --> 00:47:22.320
<v Speaker 8>you know, the housing they can't dump on the rest

793
00:47:22.320 --> 00:47:25.159
<v Speaker 8>of the world, but you know, in the manufacturing sector,

794
00:47:25.159 --> 00:47:26.880
<v Speaker 8>they're trying to dump all this stuff on the rest

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<v Speaker 8>of the world.

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<v Speaker 3>So yes, I think.

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<v Speaker 6>They're in a world of hurt.

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<v Speaker 8>And I think that the Trump administration, in spite of

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00:47:32.679 --> 00:47:35.199
<v Speaker 8>all the criticism, they've had which make it sound like,

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<v Speaker 8>you know, oh, chairman, she is winning these negotiations. I

801
00:47:39.719 --> 00:47:42.360
<v Speaker 8>think Trump has got us exactly where we should be

802
00:47:42.440 --> 00:47:44.199
<v Speaker 8>in terms of what the terms of the deal look

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00:47:44.320 --> 00:47:46.280
<v Speaker 8>like right now. So yeah, I think there's a lot

804
00:47:46.320 --> 00:47:48.480
<v Speaker 8>of room for optimism there as.

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<v Speaker 3>Far as Iran goes.

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<v Speaker 1>With the introduction of drill, baby drill, and part of

807
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<v Speaker 1>that Trump agenda of opening up our vast energy resources

808
00:48:00.719 --> 00:48:05.000
<v Speaker 1>in this country, it puts people like Irana noticed too. Iran,

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<v Speaker 1>I mean, their economy is just from what I hear

810
00:48:10.159 --> 00:48:14.000
<v Speaker 1>in the tank, and I don't know how that regime

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<v Speaker 1>is going to survive, especially to go back with Israel.

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<v Speaker 6>Yes, exactly.

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00:48:23.000 --> 00:48:26.360
<v Speaker 8>And you know, you know, both Iran and Russia are

814
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<v Speaker 8>incredibly oil and energy dependent in their economies. And one

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<v Speaker 8>of the big mistakes we've made here is, you know,

816
00:48:36.800 --> 00:48:43.519
<v Speaker 8>in prior administrations, in kind of the regulatory the environmental

817
00:48:44.159 --> 00:48:48.519
<v Speaker 8>concerns have been focused on shutting down US production.

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<v Speaker 6>The problem with that is, you know, this is the.

819
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<v Speaker 8>Most environmentally sensitive energy development in the world right here in.

820
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<v Speaker 6>The United States.

821
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<v Speaker 8>And if we shut down our production, it doesn't mean

822
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<v Speaker 8>that worldwide demand is being reduced.

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<v Speaker 7>It's not.

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<v Speaker 8>It's growing at relatively healthy rates and rates that are

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<v Speaker 8>too fast for renewables to service. And so when we

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<v Speaker 8>shut down, you know, environmentally sensitive and regulatorially sound development

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<v Speaker 8>here in the US, we're just sending that opportunity to

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<v Speaker 8>places like Russia and Iran who don't care about the

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00:49:33.719 --> 00:49:36.960
<v Speaker 8>environment at anywhere near the levels we do. And then

830
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<v Speaker 8>they take the money and fund these kinds of aggressions

831
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<v Speaker 8>like we're seeing in Russia against Ukraine and in Iran,

832
00:49:45.360 --> 00:49:47.599
<v Speaker 8>you know, with the development of these nuclear weapons and

833
00:49:47.639 --> 00:49:49.920
<v Speaker 8>all of the things that they're involved with, funding.

834
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<v Speaker 3>Terrorism and that kind of thing.

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<v Speaker 8>So we've made huge mistakes there, and again that's another

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<v Speaker 8>area where the Trump administration I think is moving us

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<v Speaker 8>in the right direction.

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<v Speaker 1>Yeah, I mean, we cut off off the need for

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<v Speaker 1>a rany and oil globally because we've got enough energy.

840
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<v Speaker 1>I've understood this to be true for quite a while.

841
00:50:10.519 --> 00:50:15.920
<v Speaker 1>We cut off that energy and we get into our resources,

842
00:50:16.280 --> 00:50:18.800
<v Speaker 1>not only our liquid natural gas, but our oil that

843
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<v Speaker 1>we have available under our own feet. As the President says,

844
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<v Speaker 1>we can provide for the rest of the world, and

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<v Speaker 1>we don't need Iran or we don't need Russia either one.

846
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<v Speaker 1>And you cut off that, you cut off that resource

847
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<v Speaker 1>to them. You cut off those dollars, and those petro

848
00:50:35.920 --> 00:50:40.400
<v Speaker 1>states go literally dry, and they don't have the money

849
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<v Speaker 1>to foster this kind of chaos and to.

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<v Speaker 3>Fund these wars.

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<v Speaker 8>Absolutely, it's like it's a win win win kind of thing.

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<v Speaker 8>I mean, we put our people to work developing the

853
00:50:56.159 --> 00:51:01.039
<v Speaker 8>energy sources instead of theirs. We do it with much

854
00:51:01.079 --> 00:51:03.800
<v Speaker 8>more concern for the environment than they're going to have.

855
00:51:04.360 --> 00:51:08.400
<v Speaker 8>And as you've just suggested, we also choke off their

856
00:51:08.440 --> 00:51:11.800
<v Speaker 8>access to the source of funding, that is, you know,

857
00:51:12.039 --> 00:51:14.920
<v Speaker 8>giving them the opportunity to gauge in engage in all

858
00:51:14.960 --> 00:51:20.280
<v Speaker 8>these hostile activities like developing nuclear weapons and attacking you know, Ukraine.

859
00:51:19.840 --> 00:51:20.760
<v Speaker 3>And that kind of thing.

860
00:51:20.840 --> 00:51:24.199
<v Speaker 8>So it's it's definitely in the right where we're going

861
00:51:24.239 --> 00:51:26.760
<v Speaker 8>in the right direction at this point in time, after

862
00:51:26.840 --> 00:51:28.480
<v Speaker 8>going in the wrong direction for a.

863
00:51:28.559 --> 00:51:29.360
<v Speaker 3>Very long time.

864
00:51:30.840 --> 00:51:33.920
<v Speaker 1>Right, the ship's finally turned around. It's a big ship,

865
00:51:34.000 --> 00:51:38.000
<v Speaker 1>so it takes a while to turn a big ship around.

866
00:51:38.360 --> 00:51:41.280
<v Speaker 1>I always use the analogy, since its Father's Day Weekend,

867
00:51:41.360 --> 00:51:46.239
<v Speaker 1>Todd of my dad being in the Navy in the

868
00:51:46.280 --> 00:51:51.320
<v Speaker 1>late nineteen fifties on a ship in the Caribbean and

869
00:51:51.440 --> 00:51:54.679
<v Speaker 1>him being on deck and not hearing the call that

870
00:51:54.760 --> 00:51:57.519
<v Speaker 1>they're going to pull a hose that he's holding on to,

871
00:51:58.400 --> 00:52:02.400
<v Speaker 1>and he got tossed into the drink and they shouted man,

872
00:52:02.559 --> 00:52:06.119
<v Speaker 1>they shouted man overboard the second he was in the water,

873
00:52:06.840 --> 00:52:09.599
<v Speaker 1>and it took a half an hour to turn around

874
00:52:10.239 --> 00:52:11.840
<v Speaker 1>and get him back on board.

875
00:52:12.159 --> 00:52:16.920
<v Speaker 3>Oh my god, in shark infested waters. So Happy Father's Day, Dad.

876
00:52:17.000 --> 00:52:19.679
<v Speaker 3>I'm glad the sharks didn't need you. I'm glad the

877
00:52:19.760 --> 00:52:21.159
<v Speaker 3>navy came to pick you up.

878
00:52:22.559 --> 00:52:24.920
<v Speaker 1>But it takes a long time to turn a big

879
00:52:24.960 --> 00:52:28.000
<v Speaker 1>ship around once you're you're going in the wrong direction.

880
00:52:29.079 --> 00:52:31.719
<v Speaker 8>So yeah, but you know, if at least the ship

881
00:52:31.760 --> 00:52:34.239
<v Speaker 8>gets turned and you get the person out of the water, then.

882
00:52:34.119 --> 00:52:35.599
<v Speaker 6>Things can go in the right direction.

883
00:52:36.039 --> 00:52:38.760
<v Speaker 8>And hopefully that's what's happening with us right now, right

884
00:52:39.159 --> 00:52:40.039
<v Speaker 8>right exactly.

885
00:52:40.199 --> 00:52:43.079
<v Speaker 1>Happy Happy Father's Day to you, Todd Sheets. I appreciate

886
00:52:43.119 --> 00:52:46.840
<v Speaker 1>our time, and you can read Todd's two thousand and

887
00:52:46.880 --> 00:52:49.000
<v Speaker 1>eight What really Happened? You can read his articles in

888
00:52:49.079 --> 00:52:52.199
<v Speaker 1>sub stack, and hopefully we'll have a chance to chat

889
00:52:52.280 --> 00:52:52.880
<v Speaker 1>again soon.

890
00:52:52.960 --> 00:52:55.519
<v Speaker 3>Okay, Todd, I look forward.

891
00:52:55.519 --> 00:52:58.079
<v Speaker 6>Happy Father's Day to you and to all your listeners.

892
00:52:58.239 --> 00:52:59.519
<v Speaker 3>All right, thank you so much.

893
00:52:59.639 --> 00:53:05.239
<v Speaker 1>It's a a special Saturday nightcaps best special Saturday night

894
00:53:05.280 --> 00:53:08.840
<v Speaker 1>Cap and it continues. Dave Hatter will join us with

895
00:53:08.880 --> 00:53:11.679
<v Speaker 1>some tech talk here in the next half hour. And

896
00:53:11.840 --> 00:53:16.760
<v Speaker 1>Joe Evermore the Mountain climb and daddy of four who's

897
00:53:16.800 --> 00:53:20.679
<v Speaker 1>bringing his kids along with him for the climb on

898
00:53:20.719 --> 00:53:26.119
<v Speaker 1>this father's state weekend on seven hundred WLW. Well, what

899
00:53:26.239 --> 00:53:29.679
<v Speaker 1>a NodD place to find Dave Hatter and me on

900
00:53:29.760 --> 00:53:35.480
<v Speaker 1>a Saturday night. This hardly ever happens, and it probably

901
00:53:35.519 --> 00:53:39.280
<v Speaker 1>will never happen again, But I'm glad we're here together now,

902
00:53:39.760 --> 00:53:44.039
<v Speaker 1>Gary Jeff on a special Saturday Night Cap on seven

903
00:53:44.159 --> 00:53:48.679
<v Speaker 1>hundred WLW. And Yes, Dave Hatter Doomsday. Dave, the guy

904
00:53:48.719 --> 00:53:52.760
<v Speaker 1>with the aluminum foil hat because we can't find ten anymore,

905
00:53:53.880 --> 00:53:56.199
<v Speaker 1>is here to tell us what we need to be

906
00:53:56.239 --> 00:53:58.960
<v Speaker 1>afraid of in the Internet of Things world in which

907
00:53:59.000 --> 00:54:03.760
<v Speaker 1>we live, including the most amazing deep fake video I've

908
00:54:03.840 --> 00:54:06.960
<v Speaker 1>ever seen that Dave just sent me, Dave, how you're

909
00:54:06.960 --> 00:54:07.719
<v Speaker 1>doing this evening?

910
00:54:09.159 --> 00:54:10.360
<v Speaker 7>I'm doing good, Garret, Jeff.

911
00:54:10.360 --> 00:54:11.199
<v Speaker 5>I'm happy to be here.

912
00:54:11.239 --> 00:54:13.880
<v Speaker 7>I'm happy that fates have conspired to bring us together

913
00:54:13.960 --> 00:54:14.840
<v Speaker 7>on a Saturday night.

914
00:54:15.039 --> 00:54:17.320
<v Speaker 3>Yes, the fates and the fakes.

915
00:54:19.719 --> 00:54:23.280
<v Speaker 1>Yeah, this video you sent me, you say everybody should see.

916
00:54:23.480 --> 00:54:26.639
<v Speaker 1>And I don't know how we disseminate that to people

917
00:54:27.039 --> 00:54:32.039
<v Speaker 1>here on the radio except to describe what they may

918
00:54:32.239 --> 00:54:36.719
<v Speaker 1>get to see. It's entitled the deep Fake Scams You're

919
00:54:36.760 --> 00:54:43.199
<v Speaker 1>Not Ready for made with Google VEO three. What exactly

920
00:54:43.320 --> 00:54:46.440
<v Speaker 1>is VEEO three, Dave? As far as you know?

921
00:54:47.800 --> 00:54:51.599
<v Speaker 7>Yeah, so gart Jeff, and I'll put a link to

922
00:54:51.679 --> 00:54:54.320
<v Speaker 7>this out in my social media like on x and

923
00:54:54.360 --> 00:54:57.519
<v Speaker 7>Facebook and LinkedIn so people to make it easy for me.

924
00:54:58.519 --> 00:55:00.840
<v Speaker 7>I'm easy to find. I'll share the so people can

925
00:55:00.880 --> 00:55:02.800
<v Speaker 7>see it for themselves. They really do need to see it.

926
00:55:02.920 --> 00:55:06.679
<v Speaker 7>Bo three is a new generative AI platform from Google.

927
00:55:06.800 --> 00:55:10.840
<v Speaker 7>It allows you to enter a prompt and create incredibly

928
00:55:10.880 --> 00:55:14.480
<v Speaker 7>realistic looking video. Now I encourage people to watch this.

929
00:55:14.599 --> 00:55:17.519
<v Speaker 7>It's two minutes. You know, it doesn't look absolutely perfect,

930
00:55:17.880 --> 00:55:19.840
<v Speaker 7>but I think most people will be shocked at how

931
00:55:19.840 --> 00:55:23.800
<v Speaker 7>good this video is. And I would argue for most people,

932
00:55:23.880 --> 00:55:25.559
<v Speaker 7>if they don't know this as a thing and they

933
00:55:25.679 --> 00:55:28.280
<v Speaker 7>just happen to catch this online, they would not question

934
00:55:28.840 --> 00:55:31.159
<v Speaker 7>the vast majority of these clips and in this video

935
00:55:31.679 --> 00:55:34.280
<v Speaker 7>and made by a new product from Google called vo three.

936
00:55:35.000 --> 00:55:38.960
<v Speaker 7>It allows you to understand how good this technology is.

937
00:55:39.039 --> 00:55:42.800
<v Speaker 7>The creator of this basically has two minutes worth of

938
00:55:43.000 --> 00:55:46.960
<v Speaker 7>very short videos that all are pointing out how real

939
00:55:47.000 --> 00:55:49.480
<v Speaker 7>this stuff looks, but yet it's not real because it's AI.

940
00:55:49.679 --> 00:55:51.800
<v Speaker 7>So it'll be a woman saying, no, I'm not in

941
00:55:51.800 --> 00:55:53.599
<v Speaker 7>love with you and I don't need a plane ticket,

942
00:55:53.639 --> 00:55:57.719
<v Speaker 7>I'm AI, or if someone saying I got rich in cryptography,

943
00:55:57.800 --> 00:56:00.639
<v Speaker 7>No I didn't because I'm AI. Things like that, and

944
00:56:00.880 --> 00:56:03.519
<v Speaker 7>you see, it looks like newspeople, it looks like people

945
00:56:03.519 --> 00:56:06.360
<v Speaker 7>trying to tell you something. It looks like regular everyday

946
00:56:06.360 --> 00:56:08.960
<v Speaker 7>people kind of doing their thing. And then at the

947
00:56:09.039 --> 00:56:11.039
<v Speaker 7>end of each one of these little clips, all strung

948
00:56:11.079 --> 00:56:13.920
<v Speaker 7>together in this very handy two minute video, you can

949
00:56:13.960 --> 00:56:16.480
<v Speaker 7>see that every bit of this is AI, and it

950
00:56:16.519 --> 00:56:19.239
<v Speaker 7>shows you how realistic this technology already is. And the

951
00:56:19.280 --> 00:56:22.400
<v Speaker 7>bigger point in my mind, Gary, Jeff, is it's already

952
00:56:22.400 --> 00:56:24.719
<v Speaker 7>this good. Now, think how good it's going to be

953
00:56:24.719 --> 00:56:27.039
<v Speaker 7>in another year or two, or what's in some lab

954
00:56:27.119 --> 00:56:29.239
<v Speaker 7>somewhere that we haven't seen yet. Because this was just

955
00:56:29.400 --> 00:56:33.199
<v Speaker 7>recently rolled out and it's caused a lot of interest

956
00:56:33.280 --> 00:56:36.039
<v Speaker 7>simply because of the capabilities it brings to the table.

957
00:56:36.440 --> 00:56:39.559
<v Speaker 3>Dave, I'm not a gamer, but I have seen.

958
00:56:41.400 --> 00:56:47.039
<v Speaker 1>The humanoid characters in video games, and I marvel at those.

959
00:56:47.599 --> 00:56:50.800
<v Speaker 1>This is about one hundred steps past what I've seen

960
00:56:50.840 --> 00:56:51.719
<v Speaker 1>in video.

961
00:56:51.440 --> 00:56:52.639
<v Speaker 3>Games to this point.

962
00:56:54.119 --> 00:56:54.920
<v Speaker 7>They would agree.

963
00:56:55.000 --> 00:57:00.159
<v Speaker 1>They look exactly like flesh and blood human beings, and

964
00:57:01.400 --> 00:57:06.039
<v Speaker 1>they're all conjured up in a computer. They're not real

965
00:57:06.480 --> 00:57:11.440
<v Speaker 1>and it's just man, it's mind blowing to watch this video.

966
00:57:11.880 --> 00:57:15.679
<v Speaker 1>So your link on X or how do people find

967
00:57:15.719 --> 00:57:17.480
<v Speaker 1>you on X Dave so they can see this?

968
00:57:18.920 --> 00:57:21.199
<v Speaker 7>You can easily find me on LinkedIn if you see

969
00:57:21.199 --> 00:57:23.760
<v Speaker 7>the search on Dave Hatter or X search on Dave

970
00:57:23.800 --> 00:57:27.000
<v Speaker 7>Hatter or at Dave Hatter. I'm on Facebook, although I'm

971
00:57:27.039 --> 00:57:29.440
<v Speaker 7>not a huge Facebook fan and I generally only use

972
00:57:29.480 --> 00:57:32.639
<v Speaker 7>it to promote things like this, But the ex would

973
00:57:32.639 --> 00:57:34.480
<v Speaker 7>be the easiest place because you know, you can just

974
00:57:34.519 --> 00:57:38.039
<v Speaker 7>go on there search, I'll post this, and yeah, people

975
00:57:38.079 --> 00:57:39.599
<v Speaker 7>really need to see it. They need to share it,

976
00:57:39.800 --> 00:57:42.559
<v Speaker 7>not only with their kids who might not realize how

977
00:57:42.599 --> 00:57:44.559
<v Speaker 7>far this is progressed, and how this could be used

978
00:57:44.559 --> 00:57:48.639
<v Speaker 7>for things like sextortion scams. But I think even more importantly,

979
00:57:48.679 --> 00:57:52.960
<v Speaker 7>you know elderly people, parents, grandparents, because my big concern

980
00:57:52.960 --> 00:57:54.920
<v Speaker 7>about all this part Jeff I mean it runs the

981
00:57:54.920 --> 00:57:59.559
<v Speaker 7>gamut of you know, propaganda by trying to disrupt elections

982
00:57:59.559 --> 00:58:02.119
<v Speaker 7>with videos that look like some candidates says something. But

983
00:58:02.119 --> 00:58:05.400
<v Speaker 7>my real concern at the moment is the scam power

984
00:58:05.440 --> 00:58:07.920
<v Speaker 7>of this. You know, one of the clips in there is,

985
00:58:08.000 --> 00:58:10.639
<v Speaker 7>you know, a young girl saying, no, Grandma, I don't

986
00:58:10.679 --> 00:58:13.239
<v Speaker 7>need your money. I haven't been kidnapped. I'm AYI you

987
00:58:13.280 --> 00:58:16.159
<v Speaker 7>know that sort of thing. These are well documented scams

988
00:58:16.199 --> 00:58:17.840
<v Speaker 7>that are playing out right now. You can go to

989
00:58:17.880 --> 00:58:21.360
<v Speaker 7>any law enforcement source and find folks like the FBI

990
00:58:21.559 --> 00:58:24.400
<v Speaker 7>or local law enforcement warning about the grandparent scams. And

991
00:58:24.440 --> 00:58:29.000
<v Speaker 7>I'm using voice cloning technology and this type of thing

992
00:58:29.519 --> 00:58:33.320
<v Speaker 7>to create very realistic scams. And again, it's so important

993
00:58:33.320 --> 00:58:35.880
<v Speaker 7>for people to see this, to realize that we are

994
00:58:35.920 --> 00:58:38.079
<v Speaker 7>now in a place, thanks to this technology where you

995
00:58:38.119 --> 00:58:40.400
<v Speaker 7>really can't believe your ears or eyes anymore, and you

996
00:58:40.440 --> 00:58:43.719
<v Speaker 7>need to slow down, take a breath, and then vet

997
00:58:43.880 --> 00:58:48.119
<v Speaker 7>anything that you're getting through some other source, or you

998
00:58:48.159 --> 00:58:52.119
<v Speaker 7>are very all victim to this type of technology, which

999
00:58:52.159 --> 00:58:53.159
<v Speaker 7>is only going to improve.

1000
00:58:54.320 --> 00:58:58.119
<v Speaker 1>So, I mean, it's one thing to have a pair

1001
00:58:58.159 --> 00:59:01.760
<v Speaker 1>of virtual reality glasses and live in a world that's

1002
00:59:01.800 --> 00:59:06.000
<v Speaker 1>not real. It's quite another to be sent to a

1003
00:59:06.119 --> 00:59:10.480
<v Speaker 1>video on your phone and it looks like your child

1004
00:59:11.400 --> 00:59:17.880
<v Speaker 1>has been kidnapped, is handcuffed in some kind of hotel

1005
00:59:17.960 --> 00:59:22.440
<v Speaker 1>room or some kind of barn somewhere, saying Mommy, Daddy,

1006
00:59:23.519 --> 00:59:27.880
<v Speaker 1>they're holding me, and it looks just like your kid.

1007
00:59:28.119 --> 00:59:30.719
<v Speaker 1>It sounds just like your kid. This is what you're

1008
00:59:30.760 --> 00:59:35.800
<v Speaker 1>warning about, Dave, And I think it is a good

1009
00:59:35.880 --> 00:59:40.519
<v Speaker 1>first word heads up for folks on what's out there

1010
00:59:40.639 --> 00:59:43.599
<v Speaker 1>and what's going to be available out there in the

1011
00:59:43.760 --> 00:59:48.760
<v Speaker 1>very very short term if it's not there. Now, did

1012
00:59:48.800 --> 00:59:51.000
<v Speaker 1>you ever did you ever invest in a pair of

1013
00:59:51.079 --> 00:59:54.800
<v Speaker 1>VR glasses? I certainly didn't because I didn't want to

1014
00:59:54.800 --> 00:59:56.039
<v Speaker 1>be that disoriented.

1015
00:59:58.239 --> 01:00:02.519
<v Speaker 7>I've used them, I have never actually bought any myself,

1016
01:00:03.039 --> 01:00:06.360
<v Speaker 7>because the idea of having that on my face is

1017
01:00:06.559 --> 01:00:07.760
<v Speaker 7>not it's not for me.

1018
01:00:08.199 --> 01:00:09.760
<v Speaker 3>No, No, I'm with you on that.

1019
01:00:11.239 --> 01:00:17.480
<v Speaker 1>So this technology can be deadly and it can lead

1020
01:00:17.599 --> 01:00:21.679
<v Speaker 1>to some terrible outcomes. And you were describing the case

1021
01:00:21.719 --> 01:00:26.679
<v Speaker 1>of a team that committed suicide because of these sextortion

1022
01:00:27.880 --> 01:00:29.320
<v Speaker 1>scams that are out there.

1023
01:00:30.400 --> 01:00:33.199
<v Speaker 7>Yeah, sextortion continues to be a thing. It's not new,

1024
01:00:33.239 --> 01:00:35.559
<v Speaker 7>it's been around for a while, but you know, it's

1025
01:00:35.599 --> 01:00:38.440
<v Speaker 7>a good segue from the last topic, because now you

1026
01:00:38.519 --> 01:00:42.559
<v Speaker 7>have these very powerful generative ani tools that can generate

1027
01:00:42.639 --> 01:00:46.639
<v Speaker 7>photos and videos that look incredibly real. And you know,

1028
01:00:46.639 --> 01:00:48.400
<v Speaker 7>one of the points I wanted to make, like we

1029
01:00:48.519 --> 01:00:51.719
<v Speaker 7>talked a little bit about the grandparent scam, when people say, well,

1030
01:00:51.760 --> 01:00:53.639
<v Speaker 7>you know, I'm not a celebrity, how would you get

1031
01:00:53.679 --> 01:00:55.679
<v Speaker 7>my voice or how would you get my image? Well,

1032
01:00:55.920 --> 01:00:58.639
<v Speaker 7>are there any photos of you online anywhere on your

1033
01:00:58.639 --> 01:01:02.440
<v Speaker 7>company website? You know, does your granddaughter postpotos of herself

1034
01:01:02.519 --> 01:01:06.519
<v Speaker 7>on Instagram or Snapchat or something else? And my point

1035
01:01:06.519 --> 01:01:09.639
<v Speaker 7>being is, you know, sadly many of us are now

1036
01:01:09.679 --> 01:01:13.280
<v Speaker 7>exposed to this kind of threat because there are photos,

1037
01:01:13.480 --> 01:01:17.239
<v Speaker 7>there is video, there is audio of us out there.

1038
01:01:17.360 --> 01:01:19.239
<v Speaker 7>I tell people all the time when they say, well,

1039
01:01:19.480 --> 01:01:21.639
<v Speaker 7>how can I get voice clubes? I don't use social media,

1040
01:01:21.719 --> 01:01:24.159
<v Speaker 7>I'm not famous. Do you have a voice greeting on

1041
01:01:24.199 --> 01:01:27.000
<v Speaker 7>your voicemail? If I call your phone, is there a

1042
01:01:27.039 --> 01:01:29.480
<v Speaker 7>recording of you telling me hey, I'm not available or

1043
01:01:29.519 --> 01:01:31.880
<v Speaker 7>something like that, Well, I can use that to clone

1044
01:01:31.880 --> 01:01:35.880
<v Speaker 7>your voice. And this sextortion thing, unfortunately continues to show

1045
01:01:35.960 --> 01:01:39.239
<v Speaker 7>up in the news because it appears to be primarily

1046
01:01:39.280 --> 01:01:42.599
<v Speaker 7>targeted to teenage boys at this point, and every time

1047
01:01:42.840 --> 01:01:47.000
<v Speaker 7>I see one of these tragic, terrible stories as a parent,

1048
01:01:47.119 --> 01:01:49.679
<v Speaker 7>you know, I think it's just so tragic, it's so horrible,

1049
01:01:49.719 --> 01:01:51.960
<v Speaker 7>and I also think, thank God none of this existed

1050
01:01:51.960 --> 01:01:55.159
<v Speaker 7>when I was a teenager, Gary Jeff. But also as

1051
01:01:55.199 --> 01:01:58.280
<v Speaker 7>a parent who still has a one teenage son, you know,

1052
01:01:58.360 --> 01:02:00.559
<v Speaker 7>I worry about this sort of thing. Talk with him

1053
01:02:00.559 --> 01:02:03.000
<v Speaker 7>about it extensively. I share these kind of articles with

1054
01:02:03.079 --> 01:02:05.559
<v Speaker 7>him all the time, because you know, even if they

1055
01:02:05.599 --> 01:02:09.199
<v Speaker 7>can't talk you into some compromising photos that you have

1056
01:02:09.280 --> 01:02:12.400
<v Speaker 7>taken of yourself as a teenage boy, they can use

1057
01:02:12.440 --> 01:02:15.119
<v Speaker 7>this sort of technology like Google, VEO three or others

1058
01:02:15.159 --> 01:02:18.960
<v Speaker 7>out there to create false deep take images with the

1059
01:02:18.960 --> 01:02:22.119
<v Speaker 7>goal to extort you. And in this particular case, I'll

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<v Speaker 7>just read real quick. Elijah Hancock was a vibrant team

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<v Speaker 7>who made people smile. He wasn't depressed, he wasn't said,

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<v Speaker 7>he wasn't angry. Father John Burnett told CBS Saturday Morning,

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01:02:31.119 --> 01:02:33.559
<v Speaker 7>but he received a threatening text with an AI generated

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01:02:33.639 --> 01:02:36.559
<v Speaker 7>nude photo himself, demanding he paid three thousand dollars to

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01:02:36.639 --> 01:02:39.039
<v Speaker 7>keep it from being sent to friends and family, and

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01:02:39.079 --> 01:02:43.239
<v Speaker 7>shortly thereafter he sadly and tragically killed himself. And this

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<v Speaker 7>is not the first example of this. Again, sometimes kids

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01:02:47.440 --> 01:02:50.159
<v Speaker 7>don't seem to understand that the fourteen year old girl

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01:02:50.239 --> 01:02:52.400
<v Speaker 7>you think you're talking to online is a thirty seven

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01:02:52.480 --> 01:02:55.360
<v Speaker 7>year old dude living in his mom's space, right, So,

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<v Speaker 7>I mean, sometimes this is a case of human beings

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01:03:00.800 --> 01:03:04.119
<v Speaker 7>luring children into these sorts of situations where they can

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01:03:04.159 --> 01:03:06.880
<v Speaker 7>then be extorted. But sadly, now, thanks to this AI

1074
01:03:07.000 --> 01:03:09.480
<v Speaker 7>technology we're talking about, you know, if I can just

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01:03:09.559 --> 01:03:11.719
<v Speaker 7>find one photo, I can feed it into one of

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01:03:11.760 --> 01:03:14.920
<v Speaker 7>these tools and I can use this to exploit people.

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<v Speaker 7>So I think it's so important to warn your kids,

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01:03:18.079 --> 01:03:20.639
<v Speaker 7>and you know, also tell them like, hey, if this

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01:03:20.719 --> 01:03:22.280
<v Speaker 7>happens to you, the first thing you need to do

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01:03:22.360 --> 01:03:24.719
<v Speaker 7>is come to me. We need to get law enforcement involved,

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01:03:25.039 --> 01:03:26.639
<v Speaker 7>We need to get out in front of this. You know,

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01:03:26.679 --> 01:03:30.360
<v Speaker 7>you should not kill yourself. But I mean, I just

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01:03:30.360 --> 01:03:34.079
<v Speaker 7>can imagine the psychological damage the scum that are behind

1084
01:03:34.079 --> 01:03:36.880
<v Speaker 7>this are doing to these kids, even if they don't

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01:03:37.320 --> 01:03:40.480
<v Speaker 7>tragically kill themselves. I mean, it's so despicable and sick.

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<v Speaker 7>It's really hard to even get your mind around.

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<v Speaker 3>Well, Dave, you're a if you're a grown man and

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01:03:47.039 --> 01:03:50.679
<v Speaker 3>you're trying to find a fourteen year old girl online.

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<v Speaker 3>You get what you deserve, a man.

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<v Speaker 7>Before we run out of time, Gary, Yeah, I did

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<v Speaker 7>just want to give out one statistic because I think

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01:03:57.679 --> 01:04:00.559
<v Speaker 7>people don't understand how prevalent this is. So Again, from

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01:04:00.599 --> 01:04:04.400
<v Speaker 7>the same article, reports of the scheme have skyrocketed sextortion.

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<v Speaker 7>The National Center for Missing and Exploited Children said it

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01:04:07.639 --> 01:04:12.760
<v Speaker 7>received within five hundred thousand reports of sextortion scams targeting

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01:04:12.760 --> 01:04:15.639
<v Speaker 7>miners in just the last year. At least twenty people

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01:04:15.639 --> 01:04:18.119
<v Speaker 7>have taken their own lives because of sex dortion scams

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01:04:18.119 --> 01:04:22.159
<v Speaker 7>since twenty twenty one. The Federal Bureau of Investigation estimates

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01:04:22.519 --> 01:04:26.280
<v Speaker 7>five hundred thousand in one year of these despicable scum

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01:04:26.400 --> 01:04:28.760
<v Speaker 7>targeting kids that try to extort money out of them

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01:04:29.119 --> 01:04:34.679
<v Speaker 7>and basically ruin their young lives with this garbage. And

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<v Speaker 7>that's why it's so important to keep reiterating this story

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01:04:37.960 --> 01:04:41.039
<v Speaker 7>and getting parents and grandparents and kids to understand that

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01:04:41.119 --> 01:04:41.920
<v Speaker 7>this is a thing.

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<v Speaker 1>I saw one of the things that you sent me, Dave,

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<v Speaker 1>and I wanted to ask you about it before we

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01:04:47.880 --> 01:04:48.840
<v Speaker 1>do run out of time.

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<v Speaker 3>Tonight, we got a few more minutes this story.

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<v Speaker 1>On reclaim the net about you being guilty by algorithm?

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<v Speaker 3>Can you explain that real quick?

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<v Speaker 7>I can. It's pretty disturbing. Facial recognition, not new, continues

1112
01:05:07.519 --> 01:05:09.519
<v Speaker 7>to be used in all kinds of interesting and I

1113
01:05:09.559 --> 01:05:12.000
<v Speaker 7>would argue disturbing ways unless you happen to be a

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01:05:12.000 --> 01:05:16.000
<v Speaker 7>fan of nineteen eighty four and the panopticon world we've

1115
01:05:16.039 --> 01:05:18.880
<v Speaker 7>created now where you're under constant surveillance, whether it's ring

1116
01:05:18.920 --> 01:05:23.639
<v Speaker 7>doorbell cameras or someone's cell phone or CCTV cameras would

1117
01:05:23.639 --> 01:05:26.800
<v Speaker 7>have popped up everywhere. But apparently reading from this article,

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01:05:27.320 --> 01:05:30.519
<v Speaker 7>a guy named Tiber Miles was accused of a twenty

1119
01:05:30.559 --> 01:05:34.280
<v Speaker 7>twenty one murder of a guy named Ahmad McPherson. And

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<v Speaker 7>as it goes on to say, you know, the central

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01:05:36.400 --> 01:05:38.960
<v Speaker 7>piece of evidence, not finger prints, not an eyewitness, a

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01:05:39.000 --> 01:05:42.000
<v Speaker 7>facial recognition hit from a system so secretive the government

1123
01:05:42.039 --> 01:05:44.679
<v Speaker 7>will won't even tell the defense what it is, how

1124
01:05:44.679 --> 01:05:46.760
<v Speaker 7>it works, or whether it's more accurate than a drunk

1125
01:05:46.840 --> 01:05:50.519
<v Speaker 7>dark throw. So basically they had someone claim this guy

1126
01:05:50.559 --> 01:05:54.079
<v Speaker 7>did it, that the accused, and a guy that has

1127
01:05:54.159 --> 01:05:58.480
<v Speaker 7>been identified by this facial recognition. They cops apparently went

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01:05:58.480 --> 01:06:00.719
<v Speaker 7>out found some photos of this guy dumped it into

1129
01:06:00.719 --> 01:06:03.079
<v Speaker 7>this system, it said he did it, and they went

1130
01:06:03.119 --> 01:06:06.480
<v Speaker 7>out and arrested it. And while you know, there have

1131
01:06:06.559 --> 01:06:09.159
<v Speaker 7>been lots of problems and concerns about facial recognition for

1132
01:06:09.199 --> 01:06:12.719
<v Speaker 7>a long long time, and that's well documented. But the

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01:06:12.800 --> 01:06:16.440
<v Speaker 7>idea that you could be essentially accused by facial recognition

1134
01:06:17.079 --> 01:06:20.719
<v Speaker 7>and then they won't even show your defense team. You know,

1135
01:06:21.440 --> 01:06:24.480
<v Speaker 7>all software has problems scaring jet all software. Anyone that

1136
01:06:24.519 --> 01:06:27.039
<v Speaker 7>doesn't understand that obviously has never built it like I

1137
01:06:27.079 --> 01:06:30.000
<v Speaker 7>did for twenty five years. But the idea that you're

1138
01:06:30.039 --> 01:06:32.239
<v Speaker 7>going to be accused and potentially spend your life in

1139
01:06:32.280 --> 01:06:35.880
<v Speaker 7>prison for a murder and you can't challenge the algorithm.

1140
01:06:36.000 --> 01:06:38.440
<v Speaker 7>You know, does it have implicit bias? How do you

1141
01:06:38.440 --> 01:06:41.000
<v Speaker 7>know it works right? What's its false positive and what's

1142
01:06:41.039 --> 01:06:45.480
<v Speaker 7>its false negative rate? Yeah? I find this story extremely disturbing,

1143
01:06:45.519 --> 01:06:47.400
<v Speaker 7>and I'm glad you brought it up because people need

1144
01:06:47.400 --> 01:06:50.679
<v Speaker 7>to understand this kind of thing is going on. We

1145
01:06:50.760 --> 01:06:52.599
<v Speaker 7>need as a society to get out in front of it.

1146
01:06:52.760 --> 01:06:54.719
<v Speaker 7>I don't the genie is out of the bottle. I

1147
01:06:54.719 --> 01:06:57.400
<v Speaker 7>don't think we're going to put facial recognition back, but

1148
01:06:57.519 --> 01:07:00.079
<v Speaker 7>I think any government that's using it in a way

1149
01:07:00.079 --> 01:07:02.159
<v Speaker 7>that can accuse you of a crime. As a result,

1150
01:07:02.639 --> 01:07:04.960
<v Speaker 7>needs to be able to show, you know, what is

1151
01:07:04.960 --> 01:07:08.840
<v Speaker 7>the confidence rate or how competent can you be that

1152
01:07:08.920 --> 01:07:12.159
<v Speaker 7>it is actually producing correct results. And the fact that

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01:07:12.199 --> 01:07:14.320
<v Speaker 7>they won't even talk about it because it's some sort

1154
01:07:14.360 --> 01:07:17.559
<v Speaker 7>of you know, law enforcement secret or something to me

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01:07:17.719 --> 01:07:18.679
<v Speaker 7>is extremely scary.

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<v Speaker 1>Yeah, you're right, this is your right out of nineteen

1157
01:07:22.719 --> 01:07:30.519
<v Speaker 1>eighty four, George, orwell, so you're guilty because of facial wreck,

1158
01:07:31.440 --> 01:07:33.039
<v Speaker 1>not not any other evidence.

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<v Speaker 7>Well, there is someone who accused him of doing this, right,

1160
01:07:39.599 --> 01:07:43.039
<v Speaker 7>but yeah, you know, at this point there's an accusation

1161
01:07:43.159 --> 01:07:46.199
<v Speaker 7>that he's the guy, and then the facial recognition says, yep,

1162
01:07:46.280 --> 01:07:51.079
<v Speaker 7>he's the guy, and that currently understands. You know, we'll

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01:07:51.119 --> 01:07:52.960
<v Speaker 7>see how this works out in the court system. I

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01:07:52.960 --> 01:07:55.159
<v Speaker 7>think this is a story worth paying attention to. I'll

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01:07:55.199 --> 01:07:58.360
<v Speaker 7>post this link tonight too, so people can you get

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01:07:58.400 --> 01:08:00.960
<v Speaker 7>this information to see for themselves all three of these days,

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01:08:01.000 --> 01:08:05.679
<v Speaker 7>the Google BeO link, the sex doors and link and

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01:08:06.039 --> 01:08:07.239
<v Speaker 7>social media so people.

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<v Speaker 1>Can go to just go to add Dave had her

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01:08:10.360 --> 01:08:13.679
<v Speaker 1>on x and they can see these posts day. Okay,

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<v Speaker 1>thank you very much, Thank you very much for sharing

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01:08:16.920 --> 01:08:22.680
<v Speaker 1>him by the way, Happy Father's Day. Are There big

1173
01:08:22.760 --> 01:08:25.319
<v Speaker 1>plans tomorrow at the hat Her household for.

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01:08:25.399 --> 01:08:29.039
<v Speaker 7>Dad, And as far as I know, the kids are

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01:08:29.039 --> 01:08:30.680
<v Speaker 7>going to come over here and my Dad's going to

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01:08:30.760 --> 01:08:32.319
<v Speaker 7>come over and we're just going to kind of hang

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01:08:32.319 --> 01:08:34.239
<v Speaker 7>out hopefully have a nice day.

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<v Speaker 1>Yeah, isn't it great to have dad still around? My

1179
01:08:37.439 --> 01:08:39.680
<v Speaker 1>dad is still hanging in there too, like a hair

1180
01:08:39.720 --> 01:08:43.039
<v Speaker 1>and a grilled cheese sandwich. He'll be eighty nine at

1181
01:08:43.039 --> 01:08:47.000
<v Speaker 1>the end of October, God willing, he's he's in the

1182
01:08:47.000 --> 01:08:50.960
<v Speaker 1>hospital right now in Middle Tennessee and hopefully he'll get

1183
01:08:50.960 --> 01:08:53.800
<v Speaker 1>out in the next couple of days. Some breathing issues.

1184
01:08:53.840 --> 01:08:58.239
<v Speaker 1>But you know, I'm so lucky to have my dad

1185
01:08:58.479 --> 01:08:59.159
<v Speaker 1>and my mom.

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<v Speaker 7>Yeah, I'll say a prayer for him. And now my

1187
01:09:02.079 --> 01:09:04.840
<v Speaker 7>dad's going to be ninety five in August, so yeah,

1188
01:09:05.239 --> 01:09:08.239
<v Speaker 7>very fortunate as well. Wow, if you're listening to my dad,

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01:09:08.319 --> 01:09:09.600
<v Speaker 7>love your happy Father's Day.

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01:09:11.199 --> 01:09:13.920
<v Speaker 3>That's great. Dave Hatter, thank you so much. We'll talk soon.

1191
01:09:14.000 --> 01:09:18.239
<v Speaker 1>My friend Dave Hatter joining us on this special Saturday night.

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01:09:18.920 --> 01:09:22.119
<v Speaker 1>There is more to come, Yes, there's more. Another hour.

1193
01:09:22.399 --> 01:09:25.680
<v Speaker 1>I've got to fill up and up next. Joe Evermore,

1194
01:09:26.079 --> 01:09:31.319
<v Speaker 1>who was the mountain climbing dad who takes his four sons, well,

1195
01:09:31.359 --> 01:09:33.680
<v Speaker 1>at least three of the sons. I think the fourth

1196
01:09:33.720 --> 01:09:36.720
<v Speaker 1>son is only about three or four months old, now

1197
01:09:37.600 --> 01:09:41.239
<v Speaker 1>up mountains some pretty high ranges and has a new

1198
01:09:41.279 --> 01:09:44.439
<v Speaker 1>movie coming out. And we'll talk about all of that

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01:09:45.279 --> 01:09:48.199
<v Speaker 1>after the news at eleven o'clock, Gary Jeff with you

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01:09:48.239 --> 01:09:54.640
<v Speaker 1>on a Saturday Night on seven hundred WLW into another

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01:09:54.760 --> 01:09:58.600
<v Speaker 1>hour of this Saturday night cap our special show on

1202
01:09:58.800 --> 01:10:03.720
<v Speaker 1>Father's Day Week on seven hundred WLW, and our next

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01:10:03.760 --> 01:10:10.399
<v Speaker 1>guest is a father. He's like an incredible father. I

1204
01:10:10.439 --> 01:10:14.479
<v Speaker 1>love this guy's story about I don't know, six eight

1205
01:10:14.560 --> 01:10:17.720
<v Speaker 1>months ago. Maybe I don't know if it's that long. Yeah,

1206
01:10:17.720 --> 01:10:19.720
<v Speaker 1>it was about six eight months ago. I had my

1207
01:10:19.800 --> 01:10:25.239
<v Speaker 1>first chance to interview Joe evermore, and what sparked my

1208
01:10:25.319 --> 01:10:29.600
<v Speaker 1>imagination was the story of what he does for a

1209
01:10:29.640 --> 01:10:32.159
<v Speaker 1>living and what he does with his family.

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01:10:33.000 --> 01:10:34.079
<v Speaker 3>He and his wife.

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01:10:33.800 --> 01:10:38.920
<v Speaker 1>Anne have four really wild boys and they rage an age.

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01:10:39.279 --> 01:10:41.920
<v Speaker 1>I guess, well, I'll get the rundown on Joe because

1213
01:10:41.920 --> 01:10:44.640
<v Speaker 1>I lose track of time here, and they're older than

1214
01:10:44.640 --> 01:10:47.479
<v Speaker 1>the last time we talked, and the fact that they're

1215
01:10:47.520 --> 01:10:50.560
<v Speaker 1>older is kind of a wonder when you see or

1216
01:10:50.640 --> 01:10:54.520
<v Speaker 1>hear what they do together as a family. They climb

1217
01:10:54.640 --> 01:10:59.800
<v Speaker 1>mountains like Big Mountain, like El Capitan and some others

1218
01:10:59.800 --> 01:11:03.800
<v Speaker 1>that we'll talk about tonight. But our primary focus tonight

1219
01:11:03.840 --> 01:11:09.039
<v Speaker 1>with Joe Evermore is what being a father and what

1220
01:11:09.159 --> 01:11:11.840
<v Speaker 1>parenting is all about, and what he's trying to instill

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01:11:11.840 --> 01:11:14.199
<v Speaker 1>in his kids. And I think it's the coolest story

1222
01:11:15.239 --> 01:11:19.640
<v Speaker 1>that I know these days. In twenty twenty five, Joe Evermore,

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01:11:19.720 --> 01:11:20.960
<v Speaker 1>Welcome back to the show.

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01:11:21.000 --> 01:11:22.039
<v Speaker 3>How are you, my friend?

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01:11:22.920 --> 01:11:25.960
<v Speaker 4>Hey, excited to be here. It's gonna be fun, yeah.

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01:11:25.640 --> 01:11:28.920
<v Speaker 1>Exactly, not as fun as climbing a mountain, but you know,

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01:11:29.119 --> 01:11:33.920
<v Speaker 1>we do what we can, so first and foremost, I

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01:11:34.000 --> 01:11:37.359
<v Speaker 1>understand from when we were talking to set up this interview,

1229
01:11:38.239 --> 01:11:40.720
<v Speaker 1>you're getting your movie made. You got the money to

1230
01:11:40.800 --> 01:11:41.840
<v Speaker 1>do your movie, right?

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01:11:42.560 --> 01:11:42.800
<v Speaker 8>Yeah.

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<v Speaker 4>Yeah, we're making a really cool film about the three

1233
01:11:46.399 --> 01:11:51.520
<v Speaker 4>big mountains we're climbing this year. And it was scary

1234
01:11:51.560 --> 01:11:53.439
<v Speaker 4>at the beginning, but it's all been funded now, so

1235
01:11:53.520 --> 01:11:55.239
<v Speaker 4>now we can move forward.

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01:11:55.680 --> 01:12:00.800
<v Speaker 1>That's fantastic. You guys have posted a lot of stuff.

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01:12:00.840 --> 01:12:03.560
<v Speaker 1>I mean, I can find you on if you folks,

1238
01:12:03.560 --> 01:12:07.720
<v Speaker 1>if you type in Joe Evermore, And just like it sounds.

1239
01:12:08.800 --> 01:12:11.479
<v Speaker 1>There's all kinds of pictures of he and his wife

1240
01:12:11.520 --> 01:12:14.800
<v Speaker 1>and their kids. And for people who never heard the

1241
01:12:14.840 --> 01:12:18.479
<v Speaker 1>interview before, dad, let's let's run down all of the

1242
01:12:18.560 --> 01:12:23.039
<v Speaker 1>children and their ages, their names, which are very cool,

1243
01:12:23.760 --> 01:12:27.239
<v Speaker 1>and some of their accomplishments to this point.

1244
01:12:27.560 --> 01:12:33.079
<v Speaker 4>The oldest is a Stamuel Adventure and he's eleven, all right,

1245
01:12:33.159 --> 01:12:37.159
<v Speaker 4>and he's as a firstborn, and he's kind of like

1246
01:12:37.720 --> 01:12:40.479
<v Speaker 4>kind of set the stage. And there's quite a few

1247
01:12:40.520 --> 01:12:43.640
<v Speaker 4>mountains that he's the youngest to climb. The most notable

1248
01:12:43.640 --> 01:12:47.039
<v Speaker 4>one was when he climbed out Cavitan at eight. But

1249
01:12:47.199 --> 01:12:50.640
<v Speaker 4>he's been really kind of setting new records, working on

1250
01:12:50.680 --> 01:12:54.159
<v Speaker 4>some big projects. And this summer will be our second

1251
01:12:54.199 --> 01:12:57.319
<v Speaker 4>attempt at the Matterhorn, and so we're we're looking at

1252
01:12:57.359 --> 01:12:59.079
<v Speaker 4>doing that, you know, right at the very end of

1253
01:12:59.119 --> 01:12:59.520
<v Speaker 4>the summer.

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01:13:00.000 --> 01:13:03.359
<v Speaker 1>Now, how big is the matter Horn? Just to put

1255
01:13:03.399 --> 01:13:05.880
<v Speaker 1>it in perspective for people who maybe not are in

1256
01:13:05.960 --> 01:13:09.159
<v Speaker 1>the climbing community, but are just in all of the

1257
01:13:09.279 --> 01:13:12.199
<v Speaker 1>kind of activities that you guys are doing. How what's

1258
01:13:12.239 --> 01:13:14.960
<v Speaker 1>the height of the matterhorn and what are the challenges

1259
01:13:15.079 --> 01:13:17.279
<v Speaker 1>of the matter Horn.

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<v Speaker 5>I don't know the exact tid.

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01:13:18.800 --> 01:13:22.000
<v Speaker 4>It's a fourteen ers. I think it's almost fifteen thousand feet.

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01:13:22.119 --> 01:13:22.399
<v Speaker 3>Wow.

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01:13:22.680 --> 01:13:25.680
<v Speaker 4>But the matter Horn is a first of all, it's

1264
01:13:25.720 --> 01:13:27.880
<v Speaker 4>one of the most breathtaking mountains you'll ever see. It's

1265
01:13:28.159 --> 01:13:31.640
<v Speaker 4>probably the most famous mountain in the world. It's a

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01:13:32.039 --> 01:13:34.199
<v Speaker 4>put everywhere. Once you understand what it is, you're like, oh,

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01:13:34.319 --> 01:13:36.159
<v Speaker 4>I see that everyway. It's even in the Disney logo.

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<v Speaker 4>But it's like it's got four ridges on it. It's like

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<v Speaker 4>a big diamond. And those ridges are like nice blades,

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01:13:44.960 --> 01:13:49.079
<v Speaker 4>and they're like, you know, you like as a climber,

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01:13:49.119 --> 01:13:50.920
<v Speaker 4>you just want to get on one of them. But

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01:13:51.199 --> 01:13:55.039
<v Speaker 4>the thing is about the Matterhorn is that in the morning,

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01:13:55.239 --> 01:13:57.560
<v Speaker 4>like at like ten o'clock in the morning, in most days,

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01:13:57.560 --> 01:13:59.359
<v Speaker 4>you can't even fly a kite at the top. Where

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01:13:59.439 --> 01:14:02.039
<v Speaker 4>is it like four o'clock, it could be white out

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01:14:02.079 --> 01:14:06.239
<v Speaker 4>with hunter mile in our winds. And if you go

1277
01:14:06.279 --> 01:14:08.800
<v Speaker 4>off route on this route you will likely die. And

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01:14:08.840 --> 01:14:13.760
<v Speaker 4>so it's like it's a very you know, precarious mountain

1279
01:14:13.840 --> 01:14:18.079
<v Speaker 4>if you get off route. And and so it's a

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01:14:18.119 --> 01:14:19.520
<v Speaker 4>it's a big deal to climb the matter Horn.

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01:14:19.600 --> 01:14:19.840
<v Speaker 7>It's not.

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01:14:20.079 --> 01:14:22.119
<v Speaker 4>It's nothing to definitely be respected.

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01:14:22.520 --> 01:14:25.000
<v Speaker 1>Now have you climbed it yourself. I know you said

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01:14:25.000 --> 01:14:26.960
<v Speaker 1>that you're gonna get Sam with you to try and

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01:14:27.319 --> 01:14:29.920
<v Speaker 1>attempt it. Have you done it yourself, Joe.

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01:14:30.159 --> 01:14:32.399
<v Speaker 4>Well, this will be our second attempt. Last year we

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01:14:32.479 --> 01:14:35.199
<v Speaker 4>tried it and we got within twelve hundred feet of

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01:14:35.239 --> 01:14:40.439
<v Speaker 4>the summit and we hit a cutoff time. We got

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01:14:40.520 --> 01:14:42.479
<v Speaker 4>we got to the soul the hut about a few

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01:14:42.520 --> 01:14:46.159
<v Speaker 4>minutes late, and so we decided to not go for

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01:14:46.239 --> 01:14:47.960
<v Speaker 4>the summit. We did go a little bit higher on

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01:14:47.960 --> 01:14:50.359
<v Speaker 4>the mountain, but because of that missing that cutoff time,

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01:14:50.359 --> 01:14:51.039
<v Speaker 4>we turned back.

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01:14:51.439 --> 01:14:55.039
<v Speaker 3>All right. The next the next in line Sun is

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01:14:55.079 --> 01:14:56.039
<v Speaker 3>what eight or nine?

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01:14:57.479 --> 01:14:57.680
<v Speaker 7>Yep?

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01:14:57.800 --> 01:15:00.479
<v Speaker 4>Then we got an eight year old and what's what's

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01:15:00.479 --> 01:15:03.840
<v Speaker 4>his name when we take his name is Sylvan light Year.

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01:15:04.760 --> 01:15:06.920
<v Speaker 4>The god was kind of leading us to say that

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01:15:07.000 --> 01:15:09.000
<v Speaker 4>this kid is going to be on a really big scale,

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01:15:09.000 --> 01:15:12.920
<v Speaker 4>and a light year is six trillion miles, so he

1302
01:15:13.279 --> 01:15:17.479
<v Speaker 4>definitely lives up to that. He's eight, he's going to

1303
01:15:17.520 --> 01:15:19.760
<v Speaker 4>be climbing El Capitan this year. He's getting already and

1304
01:15:19.760 --> 01:15:22.920
<v Speaker 4>geared up for that. And each of our boys are

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01:15:22.920 --> 01:15:25.760
<v Speaker 4>going to climb El Capitan at eight. My plan.

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01:15:26.000 --> 01:15:31.079
<v Speaker 1>So Sam and Sylvan have climbed mountains together, right, Oh, yeah, yeah.

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01:15:31.000 --> 01:15:33.640
<v Speaker 4>Yeah, and then this summer or when or when we

1308
01:15:33.680 --> 01:15:36.039
<v Speaker 4>do El Capitan, what we're gonna do is we're gonna

1309
01:15:36.039 --> 01:15:38.640
<v Speaker 4>have Sam on the rigging crew. So he's going to

1310
01:15:38.680 --> 01:15:41.880
<v Speaker 4>be leading pitches and hauling and he's got a lot

1311
01:15:41.920 --> 01:15:44.640
<v Speaker 4>of responsibility and some new misery to face on this

1312
01:15:44.720 --> 01:15:48.880
<v Speaker 4>mountain that he's never done before. And Sylvan's gonna be

1313
01:15:48.960 --> 01:15:51.640
<v Speaker 4>spent in six days, you know, like living on the

1314
01:15:51.680 --> 01:15:55.560
<v Speaker 4>side of the o a rock. Uh, it's an intense thing.

1315
01:15:56.359 --> 01:16:00.560
<v Speaker 1>Yeah, I mean did they did they take to it away?

1316
01:16:01.000 --> 01:16:04.000
<v Speaker 1>I mean, you figure the apple doesn't fall far in

1317
01:16:04.119 --> 01:16:09.039
<v Speaker 1>all of that, like father like son, But were they

1318
01:16:09.199 --> 01:16:14.479
<v Speaker 1>just like like for example, when I was maybe three

1319
01:16:14.520 --> 01:16:17.720
<v Speaker 1>months old, my parents just they were with me, but

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01:16:17.960 --> 01:16:21.039
<v Speaker 1>they took me into a pool and you know, and

1321
01:16:21.119 --> 01:16:24.239
<v Speaker 1>I was swimming, you know, at before I could before

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01:16:24.279 --> 01:16:25.000
<v Speaker 1>I could walk.

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01:16:25.880 --> 01:16:28.199
<v Speaker 3>But did they take to it like right away?

1324
01:16:30.039 --> 01:16:31.920
<v Speaker 4>It is a little bit like that in our home.

1325
01:16:32.000 --> 01:16:35.159
<v Speaker 4>It's kind of a prerequisite. You you crawl, you walk,

1326
01:16:35.199 --> 01:16:37.840
<v Speaker 4>and then you rock climb, and so it's kind of

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01:16:37.880 --> 01:16:42.000
<v Speaker 4>like your family, so it's climbing is a normal thing.

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01:16:42.039 --> 01:16:44.920
<v Speaker 4>It's like it's actually a lot of people unlearn it

1329
01:16:45.199 --> 01:16:49.960
<v Speaker 4>and it's it's something we naturally develop as kids, and

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01:16:50.439 --> 01:16:53.960
<v Speaker 4>it's it's very fun, and you know, it's a great

1331
01:16:53.960 --> 01:16:59.039
<v Speaker 4>aerobic activity, and it's you know, it exercises so many

1332
01:16:59.079 --> 01:17:03.680
<v Speaker 4>parts of your kind of inner self that you know,

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01:17:03.720 --> 01:17:05.399
<v Speaker 4>it's a it's like perfect for kids.

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01:17:05.439 --> 01:17:07.479
<v Speaker 3>And yeah, they all take to it. I think I

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01:17:07.560 --> 01:17:10.199
<v Speaker 3>think most kids would take to it. Now you're third boy,

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01:17:11.039 --> 01:17:12.039
<v Speaker 3>what's what's his name?

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01:17:12.600 --> 01:17:15.000
<v Speaker 4>That's the one to look out for. That's Joey Danger.

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01:17:15.359 --> 01:17:19.680
<v Speaker 4>And Joey's only we started five and he's six now,

1339
01:17:19.720 --> 01:17:22.399
<v Speaker 4>and so he's only done one huge mountain. He's got

1340
01:17:22.439 --> 01:17:26.840
<v Speaker 4>another huge one this year. But what I'll tell you

1341
01:17:26.880 --> 01:17:29.319
<v Speaker 4>a story about Joey. The other day, I was down

1342
01:17:29.319 --> 01:17:31.600
<v Speaker 4>and we have a little pond on the edge of

1343
01:17:31.640 --> 01:17:34.479
<v Speaker 4>our property and we like to have like little campfires

1344
01:17:34.479 --> 01:17:36.079
<v Speaker 4>out there, and so I told Joey to go up

1345
01:17:36.079 --> 01:17:39.119
<v Speaker 4>and get some matches that are lighter, and he couldn't

1346
01:17:39.119 --> 01:17:39.640
<v Speaker 4>find one.

1347
01:17:39.800 --> 01:17:40.479
<v Speaker 3>So what does he do.

1348
01:17:40.600 --> 01:17:43.680
<v Speaker 4>He finds an Amazon box and lights it on the

1349
01:17:43.720 --> 01:17:48.199
<v Speaker 4>stove and then runs through the house with this flaming

1350
01:17:48.319 --> 01:17:50.920
<v Speaker 4>torch and then all the way and by the time

1351
01:17:50.960 --> 01:17:53.840
<v Speaker 4>it gets down to the fire pits, man, this thing

1352
01:17:53.960 --> 01:17:58.119
<v Speaker 4>is a blaze and Uh, yeah, that's he's a very

1353
01:17:58.159 --> 01:17:59.000
<v Speaker 4>creative little guy.

1354
01:17:59.039 --> 01:17:59.800
<v Speaker 7>But you look up.

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01:18:00.359 --> 01:18:02.680
<v Speaker 3>He didn't burn himself, did he.

1356
01:18:03.520 --> 01:18:05.359
<v Speaker 4>No, he didn't burn himself, but it was it was

1357
01:18:05.439 --> 01:18:09.439
<v Speaker 4>quite uh yelling, look out, I got the fire coming

1358
01:18:09.800 --> 01:18:10.399
<v Speaker 4>down the hill.

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01:18:14.039 --> 01:18:16.279
<v Speaker 3>Just being in that house for one day, I might

1360
01:18:16.319 --> 01:18:17.880
<v Speaker 3>go nuts. Joe, that's great.

1361
01:18:18.479 --> 01:18:22.000
<v Speaker 4>Oh yeah, it's like having a few like bobcats in

1362
01:18:22.039 --> 01:18:22.359
<v Speaker 4>the house.

1363
01:18:24.000 --> 01:18:27.720
<v Speaker 1>And and your youngest boy is just what months old,

1364
01:18:28.159 --> 01:18:29.439
<v Speaker 1>blaze months old?

1365
01:18:29.439 --> 01:18:33.239
<v Speaker 4>Wild he is. I think we're coming up once seven months.

1366
01:18:33.399 --> 01:18:37.159
<v Speaker 4>And so he's just a cuddly little guy, just barely

1367
01:18:37.239 --> 01:18:40.760
<v Speaker 4>rolling over and U two and when we in tickling,

1368
01:18:41.000 --> 01:18:44.319
<v Speaker 4>you know, so we're just cuddling him a lot. Yeah,

1369
01:18:44.359 --> 01:18:45.319
<v Speaker 4>he's not mountain climbing.

1370
01:18:45.399 --> 01:18:48.600
<v Speaker 3>We wait till they're five. So your wife and your

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01:18:48.640 --> 01:18:51.560
<v Speaker 3>wife and you met climbing. Is that how you met?

1372
01:18:51.760 --> 01:18:52.000
<v Speaker 7>Yep?

1373
01:18:52.560 --> 01:18:55.880
<v Speaker 4>Well we we kind of saw in love climbing and

1374
01:18:56.000 --> 01:18:59.439
<v Speaker 4>we I invited her on this trip to Wyoming and

1375
01:18:59.600 --> 01:19:02.960
<v Speaker 4>there was a mountain called Wolfshead that we spent the

1376
01:19:03.079 --> 01:19:06.039
<v Speaker 4>night under the summit block just because I was moving

1377
01:19:06.039 --> 01:19:09.000
<v Speaker 4>too slow as a party and got cold and I

1378
01:19:09.000 --> 01:19:11.159
<v Speaker 4>couldn't figure out the route, and so we just kind

1379
01:19:11.159 --> 01:19:13.960
<v Speaker 4>of hunkered down, and it was then I was like, Wow,

1380
01:19:14.000 --> 01:19:16.399
<v Speaker 4>this girl's pretty awesome. I can I think she could

1381
01:19:16.479 --> 01:19:17.039
<v Speaker 4>keep up with me.

1382
01:19:18.319 --> 01:19:22.800
<v Speaker 1>Yeah, and you've been together for what I guess twelve

1383
01:19:22.840 --> 01:19:23.880
<v Speaker 1>thirteen years or.

1384
01:19:24.680 --> 01:19:26.199
<v Speaker 4>I think it's fourteen years.

1385
01:19:26.760 --> 01:19:27.520
<v Speaker 3>Congratulation.

1386
01:19:28.800 --> 01:19:30.600
<v Speaker 4>We just had our anniversary a couple of days ago,

1387
01:19:30.640 --> 01:19:34.720
<v Speaker 4>and yeah, I've got a great wife and she's on

1388
01:19:34.800 --> 01:19:38.760
<v Speaker 4>board with this. And what she understands is that men

1389
01:19:39.119 --> 01:19:42.479
<v Speaker 4>need their dad and that there's a point in the

1390
01:19:42.600 --> 01:19:47.319
<v Speaker 4>journey where a man leaves the mother and then goes

1391
01:19:47.359 --> 01:19:50.239
<v Speaker 4>into the world of men and learns from men and

1392
01:19:50.880 --> 01:19:55.239
<v Speaker 4>grows an apprenticeship with men. And honestly, it's a hard

1393
01:19:55.279 --> 01:19:57.119
<v Speaker 4>thing for a lot of women. Very few women do

1394
01:19:57.159 --> 01:19:59.720
<v Speaker 4>it well. But my wife has done. It's been so

1395
01:19:59.760 --> 01:20:04.600
<v Speaker 4>great eight and in giving me the handoff, and she's

1396
01:20:04.600 --> 01:20:07.520
<v Speaker 4>the kind of woman who's like, you know, she breastfeeds

1397
01:20:07.560 --> 01:20:10.600
<v Speaker 4>basically until the baby weans himself, and so she's really

1398
01:20:11.000 --> 01:20:13.720
<v Speaker 4>she almost like an attachment mom. So she's very attached

1399
01:20:13.720 --> 01:20:16.920
<v Speaker 4>to these little boys. And then you know, there's a

1400
01:20:16.960 --> 01:20:20.720
<v Speaker 4>point where they leave the world of mom and now

1401
01:20:20.760 --> 01:20:24.439
<v Speaker 4>they're interested in dad. And that's a big part of

1402
01:20:24.479 --> 01:20:26.960
<v Speaker 4>our journey that you know, they've each gone through.

1403
01:20:27.439 --> 01:20:31.000
<v Speaker 1>It's an excellent way to explain it. So, I mean,

1404
01:20:31.479 --> 01:20:34.319
<v Speaker 1>there are separate roles. This is this is something that

1405
01:20:34.880 --> 01:20:37.800
<v Speaker 1>some parts of our society just doesn't get, Joe, and

1406
01:20:37.880 --> 01:20:40.439
<v Speaker 1>I'm not going to get into all the political ins

1407
01:20:40.439 --> 01:20:43.079
<v Speaker 1>and outs of this, but there is a role for

1408
01:20:43.199 --> 01:20:47.640
<v Speaker 1>men in society, in human nature, there's a role for women,

1409
01:20:48.399 --> 01:20:51.720
<v Speaker 1>and I think you guys have those very well defined

1410
01:20:51.760 --> 01:20:54.640
<v Speaker 1>from how you're describing this, and I just think it's

1411
01:20:54.680 --> 01:20:59.039
<v Speaker 1>so beautiful and it's so natural that you both both

1412
01:20:59.079 --> 01:21:01.840
<v Speaker 1>have this understand well, it's.

1413
01:21:01.800 --> 01:21:03.760
<v Speaker 4>Important that we all understand that men and women are

1414
01:21:03.760 --> 01:21:07.880
<v Speaker 4>different right now, that they're not just two androgynous beings,

1415
01:21:08.159 --> 01:21:12.600
<v Speaker 4>but like they're we're very different and we bring different

1416
01:21:12.600 --> 01:21:14.960
<v Speaker 4>things to the table. We bring different things to our

1417
01:21:15.520 --> 01:21:19.520
<v Speaker 4>marriage and to our family that these boys need and

1418
01:21:20.000 --> 01:21:24.399
<v Speaker 4>you don't, like, you know, with the statistics are so clear,

1419
01:21:24.640 --> 01:21:27.840
<v Speaker 4>a home without a father, your likelihood of going to

1420
01:21:27.920 --> 01:21:31.359
<v Speaker 4>jail is like astronomically higher. You know, eighty percent of

1421
01:21:31.359 --> 01:21:34.680
<v Speaker 4>the inmates in jail where grew up in father less

1422
01:21:34.680 --> 01:21:36.800
<v Speaker 4>owns and the other twenty percent usually are claiming some

1423
01:21:36.880 --> 01:21:40.199
<v Speaker 4>kind of an abusive father in the home. And there's

1424
01:21:40.800 --> 01:21:44.439
<v Speaker 4>you know, so many statistics about like, you know, girls

1425
01:21:44.439 --> 01:21:48.159
<v Speaker 4>and the promiscuity. Like number one, you know, connection to

1426
01:21:48.560 --> 01:21:51.760
<v Speaker 4>a girl being sexually active early is her relationship with

1427
01:21:51.760 --> 01:21:54.920
<v Speaker 4>her father, you know, or how absent he was. And

1428
01:21:55.279 --> 01:21:59.560
<v Speaker 4>there's clear indication that a father is necessary in a home.

1429
01:21:59.640 --> 01:22:02.159
<v Speaker 4>And and really what happens is when you have a

1430
01:22:02.159 --> 01:22:04.920
<v Speaker 4>father in the home, it's a loving father. You then

1431
01:22:04.960 --> 01:22:09.640
<v Speaker 4>don't have a toxic mother, which is another big contributor

1432
01:22:09.680 --> 01:22:13.479
<v Speaker 4>to what you know, blows apart these kids and leaves

1433
01:22:13.479 --> 01:22:16.960
<v Speaker 4>them all confused about their life and there, you know,

1434
01:22:17.039 --> 01:22:20.199
<v Speaker 4>and their identity and all of that. You know, it's

1435
01:22:20.960 --> 01:22:22.600
<v Speaker 4>these kids need a mother and.

1436
01:22:22.520 --> 01:22:24.800
<v Speaker 3>A father, absolutely, you know.

1437
01:22:24.880 --> 01:22:28.960
<v Speaker 1>And I'm so blessed to have had both a mother

1438
01:22:29.079 --> 01:22:31.880
<v Speaker 1>and father in the home the whole time. My mom

1439
01:22:31.920 --> 01:22:36.119
<v Speaker 1>and dad are still together, Joe evermore after six after

1440
01:22:36.319 --> 01:22:40.520
<v Speaker 1>sixty seven years, Wow, my.

1441
01:22:40.560 --> 01:22:41.600
<v Speaker 3>Dad will be eighty nine.

1442
01:22:41.840 --> 01:22:45.039
<v Speaker 1>I've been telling folks he's he's actually in the hospital

1443
01:22:45.119 --> 01:22:47.800
<v Speaker 1>for Father's Day and it's a damn shame that I

1444
01:22:47.880 --> 01:22:50.960
<v Speaker 1>can't be with him because he's down in Middle Tennessee

1445
01:22:51.119 --> 01:22:53.600
<v Speaker 1>where they live, in a hospital.

1446
01:22:53.600 --> 01:22:55.279
<v Speaker 3>He'll be out in the next couple of days. So

1447
01:22:55.319 --> 01:22:56.319
<v Speaker 3>we're planning a trip.

1448
01:22:56.359 --> 01:23:01.720
<v Speaker 1>But Dad's so important, and what what do you want

1449
01:23:01.800 --> 01:23:05.720
<v Speaker 1>to teach your boys as a father? What what are

1450
01:23:05.760 --> 01:23:08.399
<v Speaker 1>the what are the main tenets of what you're trying

1451
01:23:08.439 --> 01:23:12.159
<v Speaker 1>to get across to them in the way you live

1452
01:23:12.560 --> 01:23:14.920
<v Speaker 1>and the way you play and the way you work.

1453
01:23:15.119 --> 01:23:18.560
<v Speaker 1>What's most important for Joe evermore to impart to his

1454
01:23:18.720 --> 01:23:20.359
<v Speaker 1>four sons.

1455
01:23:20.760 --> 01:23:25.840
<v Speaker 4>Yeah, so in masculine formation, it's really character formation. But

1456
01:23:26.079 --> 01:23:29.720
<v Speaker 4>you can't just teach a kid about things like you

1457
01:23:29.760 --> 01:23:31.279
<v Speaker 4>can't just say, like I'm going to read your book

1458
01:23:31.279 --> 01:23:34.079
<v Speaker 4>about courage or I'm going to read your book about like,

1459
01:23:34.720 --> 01:23:38.119
<v Speaker 4>you know, humility. You actually have to like help them

1460
01:23:38.199 --> 01:23:43.279
<v Speaker 4>discover these things. And a good father is always architecting

1461
01:23:43.359 --> 01:23:48.079
<v Speaker 4>an environment for that kind of discovery. And that's what

1462
01:23:48.119 --> 01:23:51.680
<v Speaker 4>I'm after in the climbing is that, like it's I want,

1463
01:23:52.079 --> 01:23:54.439
<v Speaker 4>you know, very early on, I want my kids to

1464
01:23:54.479 --> 01:23:56.680
<v Speaker 4>develop what we were in our house. We just call

1465
01:23:56.720 --> 01:24:00.880
<v Speaker 4>it self regulation. You know, that's like that control over

1466
01:24:00.920 --> 01:24:03.079
<v Speaker 4>your emotions. And it's like the first it's like kind

1467
01:24:03.119 --> 01:24:06.720
<v Speaker 4>of level one like of growing. And then once you

1468
01:24:06.760 --> 01:24:09.279
<v Speaker 4>get that, then really once they self regulate, then you

1469
01:24:09.279 --> 01:24:12.560
<v Speaker 4>can still to build real self confidence where they have

1470
01:24:12.600 --> 01:24:16.399
<v Speaker 4>that inner strength where someone if someone's teasing them, they

1471
01:24:16.479 --> 01:24:18.760
<v Speaker 4>just know who they are and it doesn't it like

1472
01:24:19.079 --> 01:24:22.520
<v Speaker 4>it's like they have armor against it. Because they have

1473
01:24:22.600 --> 01:24:25.600
<v Speaker 4>that self confidence, they begin to find they know that

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<v Speaker 4>they have a strength that's unique to.

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<v Speaker 3>The world, you know.

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<v Speaker 4>And then out of that you begin to see things

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<v Speaker 4>like courage come out, you know, and these other self disciplines.

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<v Speaker 4>And it's you know, each of those and many others,

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<v Speaker 4>is the role of a father to architect a world

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<v Speaker 4>where the boys can really learn and grow and mature

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<v Speaker 4>into you know, giants.

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<v Speaker 5>You know.

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<v Speaker 4>I want these boys to be little like uh, you know,

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<v Speaker 4>warrior poets that know who they are and can go

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<v Speaker 4>out into the world world and face a problem and

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<v Speaker 4>you know, they say, I don't I don't really know

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<v Speaker 4>how how I'm gonna do this problem. But there was

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<v Speaker 4>a time when I stood up and looked at up

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<v Speaker 4>at El Capitan and it looked about a million miles high,

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<v Speaker 4>and we did it together, you know. And so it's

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<v Speaker 4>out of those experiences that a strong, confident, you know,

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<v Speaker 4>boy is built.

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<v Speaker 3>Uh Man.

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<v Speaker 1>I could listen to you talk about this all night

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<v Speaker 1>when we just have a couple of minutes left. Joe Evermore,

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<v Speaker 1>Do you have a working title for the movie?

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<v Speaker 4>Well, we're talking about against the Sky. It's kind of

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<v Speaker 4>like when you're working on a muscle, you put your

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<v Speaker 4>muscle against a weight. You know, we've we're kind of

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<v Speaker 4>like developing these boys. The weight is against gravity, it's

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<v Speaker 4>against the sky. It's and uh, it's it's gonna come

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<v Speaker 4>out next year, hopefully on the Angel platform, is what

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<v Speaker 4>we're shooting for. And you know we're going to get

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<v Speaker 4>it on some of the streaming platforms.

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<v Speaker 1>All right, Uh, you'll have to let me know when

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<v Speaker 1>it's coming out so I can have you back on

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<v Speaker 1>and we can publicize it. Because I think it's something

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<v Speaker 1>that not only anybody who's into climbing, but anybody who

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<v Speaker 1>is into parenting and family and adventure an adventure should see.

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<v Speaker 1>And I can't wait to see it myself, Joe Evermore.

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<v Speaker 4>In the meantime, yes, they should follow my son on

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<v Speaker 4>social media. Just look up Samuel Adventure on Instagram and

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<v Speaker 4>give us a follow their.

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<v Speaker 1>All right, fantastic, certainly will Joe Evermore, It's not my bag,

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<v Speaker 1>but man, you make me want to be into climbing.

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<v Speaker 7>Is it okay?

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<v Speaker 4>And there you want to come to Colorado. We'll take you.

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<v Speaker 1>Is it too late at the age of sixty four?

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<v Speaker 1>I know you start him young.

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<v Speaker 4>Let's go. You're gonna You're gonna be fine. You got

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<v Speaker 4>tons of path ahead. Yeah, we'll put you on an

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<v Speaker 4>easy one, all right.

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<v Speaker 3>Joe, Thanks, Happy Father's Day. Happy Father's Day.

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<v Speaker 1>Joe Evermore and his amazing climbing mountain climbing family.

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<v Speaker 3>Wow.

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<v Speaker 1>If you could bottle what he said and give it

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<v Speaker 1>to every prospective father, they'd have a really, really neat

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<v Speaker 1>path to success with their sons, I believe. Up next,

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<v Speaker 1>we will rerun this morning's rock and Roll Archaeology, paying

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<v Speaker 1>tribute to both sly Stone and Brian Wilson of the

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<v Speaker 1>Beach Boys, Me and the music professor Jim LaBarbara. If

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<v Speaker 1>you missed it this morning, hear it next on this

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<v Speaker 1>special Saturday night cap on seven hundred WLW