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Speaker 1: What is up, Fellasikos. I am Dan Valley coming at

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you with the one, the only, this certified fantabulous mister

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Grant Hughes. We are gathered around the campfire today together

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to do an off season look ahead, which I don't

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know the last off season looking like Grant knives on

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together because we were covering the actual basketball element of basketball.

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Who knew we're gonna be talking about one of the

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teams that we've talked about just a little bit over

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the past few weeks, maybe once or twice. The San

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Antonio Spurs made it all the way to the NBA Finals.

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I'm lost in five to the Knicks. I would say

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their off season is like, it's interesting, but it's gonna

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be I think what's interesting is, well, how much urgency

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are they gonna operate with? Is what everybody wants to know.

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But the first actual question we have today, Grant, how

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the heck are you?

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Speaker 2: I'm always operating with maximum urgency, So I'm good.

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Speaker 1: I'm ready sound like it.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, I'm I. As we discussed before we started recording,

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I'm feeling personally, it's a personal affront. Whenever I have

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a cold in the summer, so I'm I'm a little

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I'm on edge a little bit. I feel insulted. I

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feel aggrieved that this because this shouldn't happen, but I'm

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going to power through now.

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Speaker 1: Is it more about because I feel the same way.

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Do you think it's more about the summers just associated

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with that's when you should be the most able, bodied

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and active or is it the dissonance of well, I

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feel sick and I have this cold when it's warm.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, it's it's the second one. It's called a cold,

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and so therefore it has zero association with the summer

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and should not exist during it. I just like that's

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sound metal.

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Speaker 1: So that's news to me. No, no, MD, I've been

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telling everyone that you're esquire MD.

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Speaker 2: Damn all those before we.

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Speaker 1: Dive into all the questions and topics that we have.

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Did you want to take us through the San Antonio

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Spurs' off season vitals, sir?

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Speaker 2: It would be my pleasure. They are about thirty four

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point three million dollars below attacks. That's forty one point

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six million below the first apron. That's with fourteen players

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projected to be on the roster. Including Julian champannee back

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on that team option their number twenty pick in the draft,

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which may or may not be upcoming by the time

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you hear this. That would also include four minimum salaries.

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Does not That figure above or those two figures above,

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does not include any cap holds for Kelly Olinic, Harrison Barnes,

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Jordan McLaughlin, or anybody else that may be coming off

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the books or in free agency. They should have the

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full mid level exception starting at fifteen point one million

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per year. Notable free agents some of those names will

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come up with respect to the cap holds. Harrison, Barnes,

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Bismack Biambo, Jordan McLaughlin, Kelly Olinic, Lindy Waters a third

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and Mason Plumley are all unrestricted free agents. They have

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full bird on Harrison, Barnes, a link and I think

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that's it, early bird on Biombo, McLaughlin, and non bird

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on Plumbley and Waters. Harrison Ingram's a restricted free agent,

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as is David Jones Garcia. Again that team option for

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three million bucks on Julian Penny. We we'll get into

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a little bit uh what soon with with respect to

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like his extension options. How the Spurs might handle that,

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whether they whether they decline it and have a new deal,

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whether they just add a bunch of money and then

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extend off of that. A few ways to go Among

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other extension candidates, Victor Wamayama, he's going to get that

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rookie max extension. Uh, that could be Actually I don't

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I think it will be right because he's got if

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he can get a full five year max up to

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three hundred and three million dollars, that's with an All

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NBA not I don't. I can never remember if like

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Defensive Player of the Year counts towards that.

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Speaker 1: I think it counts, but it needs to be in

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like the preceding year, which is stupid. So he would

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need to like make All NBA again next year.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, decent, decent chance, Well, not a given. I mean

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Speaker 1: Jellen Williams thought the same thing.

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Speaker 2: I bet he did. We mentioned Champagne. He can get

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a four year up to a four year deal worth

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ninety five million. Devin Vessel, Kelton Johnson also extension eligible.

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Speaker 1: Uh.

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Speaker 2: Their their pick situation. They twenty twenty seven is kind

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of funny. They owe their they have twenty twenty six.

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fit sixteen protection to the Thunder or the Kings. The

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protection there seventeen to thirty, but they're getting the Hawks unprotected.

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Twenty twenty seven first is that the de Jonte Murray trade.

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The gift that just continues to give. That may be

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the end of the giving of that gift.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, I think that's the last pick that'll convey from

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that to Jone Murray trade.

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Speaker 2: They also in twenty twenty eight have swap rights with

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the Celtics top one protection. There, they have swap rights

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with Minnesota or Dallas that's the most favorable. Another top

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one protection that's twenty thirty twenty thirty one swap rights

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with the Kings looking pretty as always, looking pretty lucrative.

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Speaker 1: We'll see.

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Speaker 2: Although you know the Kings have won out on that

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one because they sent Deren Fox, who by many accounts

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lost the Spurs the finals. So I guess the Kings

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are ahead on a trade. I don't alive that five

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highest paid players, speaking of which, in twenty six twenty seven,

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twenty seven and a half, Kelton Johnson eighteen, Wemby sixteen

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point nine Dylan Harper thirteen million dollars. Uh, where should

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we start here with the with the San Antonio Spurs offseason,

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Dan they the core is intact for the most part,

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do we start with?

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Speaker 1: Right? Yeah, that's the is that the what is the

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question with that? Is it? Does he get a player

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option on the five year escalater or not? That's my

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only question of like, that's the only negotiating point.

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Speaker 2: That's not a question like that. Well, it's the question actually,

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you know, the only question is what what do you want?

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Speaker 1: What? How?

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Speaker 2: How how may we be of service to you? Like

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what what structure?

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Speaker 1: What?

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Speaker 2: Like what? There's no, there's not a single aspect of

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this that san Antonio should uh withhold should like bargain

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hard over right, Like if not for this dude, for whom.

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Speaker 1: He would just if he wants a three year deal

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for some reason, you just have to act done.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, done, whatever you want that that's yeah, I mean

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you're are you're right at least to raise the player

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option thing because that has not been a given in

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some recent examples. But again, you know, this is just

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a player that you don't mess around with at all.

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Speaker 1: It's I do wonder if as a as a show

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of just fierce competitive loyalty that he'll take the thirty

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percent max language no player option. Would I think that's

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how it will go. Yeah, And I just we've seen

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so many big names like Anthony Edwards being one Tyre's

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max even after waiting until restricted free agency not getting

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a player option. But it's also Wemby, So I don't like,

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you just do whatever his and it won't even be him,

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it'll be his camp too, and so his camp has

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no reason to offer any sort of compromise.

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Speaker 2: Here's a thought, or here's a question. Oh boy, you

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said it's Wemby and and and to me, the part

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of the myth that's being built around him already is that,

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like this guy's wired a little differently, Like he's got

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real perspective. He's you know, all the Shallon Monk training

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stories that all this.

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Speaker 1: He's working around barefoot in Madisburg Garden.

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Speaker 2: Doing all the things, like he's very enlightened. Is there

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any chance he does something crazy like takes some wildly

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below market rookie scale deal because he sees, look, the

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team that just beat us had Jalen Brunson on a

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below market deal and all I care about is winning.

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to some of the myth making that's happening around his

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personality and the possibility of of him doing the unthinkable

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of just not saying full max, no discussion one.

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Speaker 1: I hope not, because that would just set a dangerous

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precedent for the rest of the players. I also think

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that it's a little different when you're looking at his

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competitive edge, just like who is bred, Like it'd be

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like me bragging to you if my mortgage is more

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expensive than your, like I have less money than you?

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Is what the brag would be? That's not I don't

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know what was gonna take one less than Jailen brunts

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to prove a.

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Speaker 2: Point or something that would be great?

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Speaker 1: Oh what a move that would be weby besides for

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four years one hundred and fifty six point four million dollars.

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Speaker 2: Yes, what if there's like a whole lot of trees

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that need to be planted along the riverwalk and he

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agrees to plant many, many trees And.

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Speaker 1: You would have to imagine if he did accepted anything

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less than like a flat max that the players Union

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would be curious right right there.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, that that's ultimately it, because then you're what you

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said initially two ties to that of just like the precedent,

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this would set every team would be just driving much

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harder bargains because they could point to Wemby and say,

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you think you're better than this guy.

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Speaker 1: This guy, right you know, maybe one of like the

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ten greatest players of all time if he stays healthy,

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for him to prove all the shallon training uh is real?

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it was facetious or serious, does lead into the Julian

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Champenny talk because why would Wenby take less is because

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the Spurs are trying to juggle their books as when

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he gets more expensive, the Fox deals now kicking in.

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on the surface, you look at a three million dollar

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team option and say, yeah, well, yeah, that's less than

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two percent of the salary cap, why would we? And

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he's a quintessential three and D plus more wing basically. However,

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if you want to keep him around long term, I

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think it might make sense to decline a team option,

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give him a huge raise next, bump him up to

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twenty million, and then will he scaled down from there

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Speaker 1: Would be the hope. I think that's the move for them.

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he is a if you eventually view him as your

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seventh man. If the idea is we don't want close

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with Julian Champennie, we want someone else in his spot,

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be made not to jump too far ahead that you

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don't even really do anything with this team, Like any

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need you're gonna make up could be addressed mostly in

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house by just player development or whatever, or reshuffling the

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rotation rules. I wonder and you're kind of saying the

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same thing. I wonder if, like, actually Champagne should be

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is there a case that he should be Like in

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the Aaron Wiggins or Isaiah Joe Roll on the Thunder

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where it's like, we got this guy, we don't need him,

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but man, he's helpful if you know, in a pinch

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or if we have injuries where we can just throw

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this clear rotation caliber guy out there into a into

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our like he's fifth on the depth or whatever, like

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which is where he is now? Just forget the contract

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and all that other stuff. Just as like in terms

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of player quality, what do you think Champagne should be

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they are in the past, so I like to just

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discuss them as a package deal. I don't know who's older.

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Actually one of them has to be by a few seconds.

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But is he in the right role or is this

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a case where the Spurs need to go get someone

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better than him and that would mean not extending him

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at a market rate because he should be a seventh

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or sixth or seventh or eighth guy.

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Speaker 1: It's a great question. I honestly think you could get

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away with him in his current role. But I also

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believe that the idea of this Spurs team, if you're

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gonna play, I think eventually, is their final form playing

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Castle Fox and Dylan Harper together a bunch that you

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probably want to get bigger and more physical at the

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champagne spot because he's what he's six', six so he

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plays his role really well and can do it like

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even a lot of low man stuff or be around the.

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Class he's got some pop around the rim and we've

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seen him get hot from three on a number of.

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Occasions BUT i think you want probably a higher end.

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Defender maybe someone will even slide up to the five

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When wemby, sits especially during the playoff. Time SO i

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think that he the. Id the ideal vision of The

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spurs is either It's, Dylan harper And castle and then

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you have a wing In champagne like two more Plus,

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wemby or if you're planning on Keeping fox plus those

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other two, Guards champagne. In, again the best version of

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The spurs is probably coming off the, bench especially and

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if you Want vicelle as part of, this if it's

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the you, know then it's definitely okay you. WANT i

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think someone better Than champagne in that.

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Speaker 2: SPOT i to, me it's it's KINDA i would say

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first THAT i think This spurs team as it is

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could have won the, title and SO i Think i'm

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blown in five games that wasn't close at, all uh

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with with like the expected improvements to their very young core.

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Pieces to, me it's like it's more a question of

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how greedy do you want to? Get AND i do

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think it makes some sense to be pretty greedy if

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you're The, spurs and and to view that as a

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position that you could improve on more easily Than harper

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Or castle Or wemby's spots or Even vacill Because vissell

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really revealed himself to be a much better defender THAN

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i gave him credit for THAN i think most people

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gave him credit for Even vassel though you're, LIKE i

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wish he Was LIKE i wish he was really just

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like a touch more viable as like a, four which

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is just he's not like he's more two than four

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if we're talking like which position does he actually slot?

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Into so, YEAH i don't know If sham he's gonna

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be fascinating player like HE i think they'll keep. Him

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what do you think is more, like what's a fair

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contract for? Him if they do add some years and dollars?

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Speaker 1: Here SO i always start with the baseline of the

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non tax mid level of fifteen million pre OR i

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think he's worth more than. That what About, YOUAH i would, think,

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yeah and if you could start him at twenty five

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and like then scale down from, there BECAUSE i don't

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know how much if you go from three million dollars

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to twenty five million, dollars so that's adding twenty two

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million on. There i'm assuming he will give you some

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concessions on the back end when you're looking at the

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maximum drops maybe that you could make from. There, Right he's.

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Speaker 2: Also that's the that's the power of the team, option,

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right is they can say you, can we can you

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can make three million dollars this year with no certainty

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about what's, ahead or we can just pile the money

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on right, now and so, like what's that worth to?

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Speaker 1: You so twofold question before we move, on what do

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you think? Happens would your prediction be they decline a

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team options on him to a new, Deal but in

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the event they, don't what do you think that says

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about their plans or their intent moving?

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Speaker 2: Forward, well wouldn't that suggests that they have some other

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ideas that are a little, bigger that they want this.

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Speaker 1: Little that you.

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Speaker 2: LIKE i think that's what that would. MEAN i don't

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know what form that. TAKES i would, MAN i think they'll.

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PROBABLY i think he will not make three million dollars next.

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YEAR i THINK i think he's getting, paid And i'm

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fine with. IT i, like worst, case you give him

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the twenty ish a year and everybody wants a player

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that does what he does or pretty you, know most everybody's,

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LIKE i would pay that guy that much if you're

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talking about trade value if you have to, move and

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then that's the other, THING a mid tier salary for

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a plug and play guy that a lot of teams would.

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Covet it's not the worst thing to, have even if

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you don't have him in your own long term. Plans what's, Up.

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Speaker 1: That and now back to the. Show so There's, wenby

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There's champpenny that we've already talked. About do any of

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the other extension candidates stand out to, you whether It's Devin,

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Vessel Keldon, johnson like those are REALLY i think the only,

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ones The vasell being the two year. ONE i don't

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know if he's what is he worth two? Years and

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at forty million dollars a, Pop i'm probably steering unless

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he wants to take less than. That that seems a little.

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Rich The johnson's interesting because you mentioned them having the

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mid end salary to. Trade he then can't be traded

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for six months if you extend. HIM i Think i'm

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more focused on if you're looking to roll over a salary,

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slot do you just pay A Harrison barnes or is

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it you're signing someone to the non tax mle and

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then hoping to perhaps flip them once they're trade. Eligible,

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YEAH i like.

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Speaker 2: The barnes idea a little.

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Speaker 1: Better.

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Speaker 2: Vassell i'm not extending because you've got him on the

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books for through twenty eight twenty nine at a very good.

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Rate he'll make twenty seven million that. Year it's actually

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his salary. Fluctuates he'll be twenty seven this upcoming, year

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than twenty four and a half the, following and then

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back up to twenty. Seven johnson is someone THAT i don't. Know,

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YEAH i. DON'T i don't want to commit market rate

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money to, him having just seen, that like he's not

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actually a full like he was not very useful as

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a postseason. Player SO i THINK i think that's where

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that's where by THREE d also comes, in it's, like,

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okay he's he's very valuable to us during the regular,

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season like HE i think deservedly won Six man of

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The year or at least was. In you don't get to.

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It you'd never look at him winning that and be

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like that's, absurd, Right like he at least is in the,

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Conversation so that's hugely. Valuable but for what The spurs

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should care, ABOUT i do think there's seventeen and a

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half million better spent on somebody else than him going

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because he's twenty. Nine, oh he's only twenty. Seven BUT

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i don't see like his the form on his three,

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Ball LIKE i don't see him becoming just like a dead,

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eye high volume. Guy and that would be the way

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where he'd, say, absolutely we'll we'll continue, This we'll add years.

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Speaker 1: Adder can he is there more directionality to his drives

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or can he just get off the? Ball quicker would

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be he just he.

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Speaker 2: Is he's been kind of this guy for most of his,

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career where like he's just driving into somebody and that

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works great against regular season, defenses not so much. Later

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one of my first thoughts, was would you just sign

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what if he was willing to take basically the same,

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salary and so we still immediately trade. Eligible would that

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be Intriguing and, WELL i think there might be some

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value to. THAT i do wonder depending on what you

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have in mind for a, trade the other team.

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Speaker 1: Might value him because he's on the expiring, contract and

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so if you remove, that of, course what you could,

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do though is Extend Caldon johnson and just Sign Harrison

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barnes as the salary filler for. That BUT i think

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you just have to keep your optionality open and you will.

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Have he's been in with the organization since he entered the,

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league has roots In San, antonio doesn't have like a

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huge farm or something In. Texas so you let this

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play out to free, agency or you can extend him

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next summer before he even hits free.

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Speaker 2: Agency, YEAH i, guess long story, SHORT i don't feel

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much urgency to get something done with Either johnson Or

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assel this. Offseason what are their biggest?

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Speaker 1: Needs you're looking at this roster right, Now you're going

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to what do we need to improve? Upon and we

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mentioned in our takeaways for The, finals they were a

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team where it was they were regular season, deep but

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they weren't one hundred game playoff, deep so that's definitely

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something they need to focus.

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Speaker 2: On, Yeah AND i would say the only guy THAT

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i think you could you could look at and, say,

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well he could develop into being both from regular season

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deep to postseason deep Is Carter, Bryant and that's just

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a bet on, youth a bet on how hard that

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guy plays on some of the threes he took looking

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pretty good and like he was pretty willing to take.

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Them so he's the only one Where i'd, say, like you,

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know if you're going to counsel, patients you'd, say, well

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because this guy might be both the big forward we

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want and the guy that can slide over and be

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a better backup center than we've had in the. Past

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LIKE i could see it's. Possible it'd be a weird lineup,

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construction but we've seen stranger SO i kind of already

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gave away the two THINGS i think are most. Important

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i'd be curious how you would rank. Them which is

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a playoff a more playoff proof backup, five BECAUSE i

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do Think wemby got tired AND i don't think you

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can play him forty plus minutes a night for a

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full postseason or even a full. Series it turns. Out

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and then just the The champagnee, improvement who has more,

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size who can play the four that does all the

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three AND d, stuff but just in a bigger, frame

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that rebounds, more that has more defensive, versatility that kind of.

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Thing which of those two things would you rate as

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the bigger need because those are the two to, ME

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i don't see any other. Contenders, well SO.

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Speaker 1: I was well for your. Question, FIRST i would say

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that it's the. Wing it's upgrading from The champenny, spot

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just BECAUSE i can't bring myself to if you Play

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victor Weben yama's, Position i'm not gonna like. Value, yes

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it matters in the playoffs for up to ten minutes a,

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game but, Like i'm not gonna make that the top.

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Priority but the other, thing, too is that the spacing

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for The spurs can get wonky at points in the half.

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Court and While champagny is is a value add just

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especially the way that he can fan out when he's in,

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transition you want someone else who could do that with

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maybe bigger size and even shoot threes it like higher

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volume more consistently than he, Would AND i think that's

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important when you look at their primary ball handlers right,

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Now indian And, Fox Dilan, Harper Steph, castle that's really,

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critical Even Devin, vessel Even. Wenby if you want him

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to get more paint, touches self starting paint, touches or

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just be more open when he's on the roll or

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after he's slipping, screens that's a way to do. That

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WHAT i was gonna say, though IS i would also

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have like another floor general type BECAUSE i don't Think

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Steph castle is so predicated on getting downhill to open

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up his playmaking for. Others Dylan harper might get to

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the point where he's. NOT i don't know that that's

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ever gonna be His he has such a score first,

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MINDSET i don't know that that's ever gonna be his.

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Option AND i think we talked about why we we

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Thought fox became an unfair scapegoat to a point in the.

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Finals he is they if they traded him without getting

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back someone who can run the, offense there's a chance

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that this team is just worse next season BECAUSE i

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don't know If Dylan harper is ready to just to

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run the offense not Be he could be An All

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star score right, now like he might be An all

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star next, year he's gonna be an excellent. Player he

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might he might. Appear this might be the team where

473
00:22:56,119 --> 00:22:57,839
it's can you get two players like in the top

474
00:22:57,880 --> 00:23:00,680
five OF mvp voting and yeah it's Wenby Dylan. Harper,

475
00:23:01,079 --> 00:23:04,039
yeah you need another. PLAYER i think like, that an

476
00:23:04,200 --> 00:23:08,200
organizer to come in during the Non fox, minutes whether

477
00:23:08,279 --> 00:23:11,960
they're playing With castle or With harper without, them it

478
00:23:12,000 --> 00:23:14,079
shouldn't be something you're spending a ton of money on

479
00:23:14,160 --> 00:23:15,920
as long As Daron fox is in the. Building BUT

480
00:23:16,000 --> 00:23:20,119
i think it's something it can't. Be jordan, McLoughlin, yeah

481
00:23:20,400 --> 00:23:21,440
SO i.

482
00:23:22,000 --> 00:23:24,400
Speaker 2: THINK i, MEAN i, agree you can't have watched the

483
00:23:24,519 --> 00:23:28,440
finals and concluded that there's, enough you, know like capable

484
00:23:28,519 --> 00:23:31,839
playmaking on this team like that that is what killed

485
00:23:31,880 --> 00:23:36,720
them for multiple. GAMES i just think that the cost

486
00:23:37,160 --> 00:23:40,440
you would have to pay to get someone to do

487
00:23:40,599 --> 00:23:44,160
the things you're talking about that you could justify playing

488
00:23:44,279 --> 00:23:47,519
over anybody that's on the current like on the current,

489
00:23:47,599 --> 00:23:50,680
roster is so high that it's almost That i'm just

490
00:23:50,799 --> 00:23:54,559
more comfortable just our guards Are, Fox castle And, harper

491
00:23:54,599 --> 00:23:57,000
And i'm going to count on improvement from two of

492
00:23:57,079 --> 00:24:01,960
the three as opposed to spending because like you. Do

493
00:24:02,559 --> 00:24:05,319
AM i making that? Clear LIKE i THINK i can

494
00:24:05,400 --> 00:24:08,000
sde that it's a it's a, need BUT i just,

495
00:24:08,319 --> 00:24:10,119
like if you're gonna you, okay it can't Be jordan,

496
00:24:10,200 --> 00:24:12,559
McLaughlin like we would have thrown Out Tyas jones in

497
00:24:12,759 --> 00:24:15,200
of several previous off seasons of like someone to just

498
00:24:15,720 --> 00:24:18,240
get things, organized. Right he's not a. Starter you just,

499
00:24:18,359 --> 00:24:20,599
need you, know some competent. Minutes go see If Mike

500
00:24:20,680 --> 00:24:22,599
comley wants to chase a ring with the new team

501
00:24:22,680 --> 00:24:24,680
or something. LIKE i just think that that type of

502
00:24:24,759 --> 00:24:29,039
player you could never justify playing him Over foxcastle Or

503
00:24:29,079 --> 00:24:33,039
harper even if those three guys like just don't get any,

504
00:24:33,119 --> 00:24:35,839
better but if they do, SO i would be more

505
00:24:35,880 --> 00:24:39,960
comfortable just using my resources on the wing or at

506
00:24:40,000 --> 00:24:44,640
backup center and hoping that those two young guards Specifically

507
00:24:44,720 --> 00:24:49,319
castle And harper develop enough to where that's that solves,

508
00:24:49,359 --> 00:24:51,160
it BECAUSE i don't know how you get the type

509
00:24:51,200 --> 00:24:54,640
of player that you could justify playing over them without

510
00:24:54,759 --> 00:24:56,119
really doing something, wild.

511
00:24:56,400 --> 00:24:58,240
Speaker 1: Even if it's not an ordin maybe someone who's just

512
00:24:58,279 --> 00:25:00,640
a little bit more comfortable with the like the ball

513
00:25:00,759 --> 00:25:02,799
and moving it for like getting off of it quicker

514
00:25:02,880 --> 00:25:03,319
for other.

515
00:25:03,279 --> 00:25:06,440
Speaker 2: Well they just, like could you do it on the

516
00:25:06,519 --> 00:25:08,839
cheap and get someone that like? Pings the ball around

517
00:25:08,960 --> 00:25:12,000
is THAT i was gonna, say what About Jose? Alvarado, okay,

518
00:25:12,279 --> 00:25:13,359
yeah as that player.

519
00:25:13,160 --> 00:25:15,400
Speaker 1: Option or even, THIS i mean now this is he

520
00:25:15,400 --> 00:25:16,759
would have to come for the mid, level and then

521
00:25:16,759 --> 00:25:18,079
we have to talk about are you okay using the

522
00:25:18,119 --> 00:25:18,519
mid LEVEL.

523
00:25:18,599 --> 00:25:22,559
Speaker 2: Cj, McCollum, yeah or Like Colin, gillespie could you get

524
00:25:22,640 --> 00:25:23,640
him for the mid level and?

525
00:25:23,720 --> 00:25:25,559
Speaker 1: Free but you are to your point, though now all

526
00:25:25,559 --> 00:25:28,400
of a, sudden we have what invested in guards like

527
00:25:28,680 --> 00:25:31,359
these aren't wings, types SO i wouldn't rank it high

528
00:25:31,400 --> 00:25:33,000
on the list of, priorities BUT i think that they

529
00:25:33,119 --> 00:25:36,240
need a change up because there might just be situations

530
00:25:36,319 --> 00:25:38,440
and If fox has ever liked that again in the,

531
00:25:38,519 --> 00:25:40,559
finals you want to just be able to feel like

532
00:25:40,599 --> 00:25:42,759
you could put whoever in over. Him but even if

533
00:25:42,920 --> 00:25:45,440
the moment you're Pulling, castle if you're playing offense, defense

534
00:25:45,480 --> 00:25:48,640
or if he's just so bad offensively that you decide

535
00:25:48,680 --> 00:25:51,240
you need to move away from, him it would just

536
00:25:51,279 --> 00:25:53,920
be nice to have. That would that be? There consider

537
00:25:53,960 --> 00:25:56,240
their fourth or fifth guard that's actually, playable WHICH i

538
00:25:56,279 --> 00:25:59,160
guess is an embarrassment of riches at that, point so

539
00:25:59,240 --> 00:26:03,279
it's not their top. Need BUT i THINK i Don't

540
00:26:04,400 --> 00:26:06,640
it's not That Dylan harper won't become this, player BECAUSE

541
00:26:06,680 --> 00:26:08,559
i think he, will but next year's going to be

542
00:26:08,799 --> 00:26:11,960
his sophomore, season, right and SO i don't want to

543
00:26:12,079 --> 00:26:14,599
rush the idea OF i would like to see him

544
00:26:14,640 --> 00:26:17,920
have another contingency in place who's Not castle and then

545
00:26:18,680 --> 00:26:20,480
who's Not? Fox like what if this is the NEW

546
00:26:20,519 --> 00:26:22,079
i don't think this is the new world order For.

547
00:26:22,160 --> 00:26:25,519
FOX i think that the injury really impacted him in the,

548
00:26:25,559 --> 00:26:27,279
finals but who, knows maybe it could.

549
00:26:27,319 --> 00:26:30,839
Speaker 2: Be AND i think to your, point shooting would alleviate

550
00:26:30,920 --> 00:26:33,319
a lot of the. Problem so you, know so like

551
00:26:33,880 --> 00:26:36,680
maybe Maybe castle gets five percent better as a pick

552
00:26:36,680 --> 00:26:39,200
and roll ball handler And harper gets who, knows ten

553
00:26:39,279 --> 00:26:42,039
percent better and with one more shooter out there that

554
00:26:42,119 --> 00:26:45,799
you cannot, ignore like suddenly everything is a lot easier

555
00:26:45,920 --> 00:26:48,319
and the offense runs more. Smooth like shooting just cures

556
00:26:48,400 --> 00:26:51,359
a news. Flash shooting cures a lot of offensive, ills

557
00:26:51,519 --> 00:26:53,759
or at least forces the defense to play in ways

558
00:26:53,839 --> 00:26:58,000
that can't capitalize on some limited. Playmaking so, YEAH i

559
00:26:58,079 --> 00:27:03,319
THINK i think whatever happened more shooting pretty. Helpful there's

560
00:27:03,319 --> 00:27:06,599
your spurs, offseason you, know a bullet. Point just get some,

561
00:27:06,680 --> 00:27:07,240
shooting it'll be.

562
00:27:07,319 --> 00:27:09,640
Speaker 1: FINE i think what's interesting about that when you're looking

563
00:27:09,680 --> 00:27:13,839
at maybe targets before even getting into, them you kind

564
00:27:13,880 --> 00:27:17,839
of have to ask how aggressive should they? Be and

565
00:27:18,119 --> 00:27:20,480
it's you also have to, ask, well what is if

566
00:27:20,519 --> 00:27:22,799
we've agreed that they need to upgrade the spot next

567
00:27:22,839 --> 00:27:25,200
To wemby in the front court as an, example how

568
00:27:25,319 --> 00:27:28,359
much of an upgrade From JULIAN champenni do you actually?

569
00:27:28,480 --> 00:27:30,839
Need because that defines your aggression because IT'S i threw

570
00:27:30,839 --> 00:27:33,480
Out Aaron gordon as a. Joke Aaron gordon be a

571
00:27:33,519 --> 00:27:37,279
fantastic fit on this, team but at forty plus million

572
00:27:37,319 --> 00:27:38,119
dollars a, year, like do.

573
00:27:38,200 --> 00:27:38,839
Speaker 2: You need to be?

574
00:27:39,079 --> 00:27:41,880
Speaker 1: That like you could get the math to work, somehow

575
00:27:41,920 --> 00:27:43,400
you'd have to rope in other teams that never wants

576
00:27:43,400 --> 00:27:45,240
to save money. Whatever but if you go out and

577
00:27:45,319 --> 00:27:47,160
get someone like, that, yes it would help your. Team

578
00:27:47,519 --> 00:27:51,319
but is that almost over indexing on the aggression that

579
00:27:51,519 --> 00:27:53,240
we both sat here and just said a few minutes

580
00:27:53,279 --> 00:27:55,720
ago they could win the title if they do nothing next,

581
00:27:55,799 --> 00:27:56,720
year should they be out?

582
00:27:56,720 --> 00:27:59,720
Speaker 2: There and, then on the other, hand you look at

583
00:27:59,720 --> 00:28:02,680
the who made a lot of moves you would say

584
00:28:02,720 --> 00:28:06,519
were overly aggressive or you, know were beyond pot, committed

585
00:28:07,079 --> 00:28:09,319
and they did win, it you, Know so LIKE I

586
00:28:10,160 --> 00:28:12,279
i think that's a little bit of a. Guide BUT

587
00:28:12,400 --> 00:28:14,680
i did find AS i was going through potential, TARGETS

588
00:28:14,720 --> 00:28:18,279
i wasn't maybe the answers, HERE i wasn't looking at

589
00:28:19,400 --> 00:28:22,440
that The gordon level of salary type. Guys the one

590
00:28:22,480 --> 00:28:26,039
that came closest IS. MPJ i JUST i feel like

591
00:28:26,119 --> 00:28:29,880
that's the type of shooting and scoring threat that would

592
00:28:29,920 --> 00:28:33,720
really have to change how teams played The spurs, defensively

593
00:28:34,400 --> 00:28:36,960
so and comes with all basically everything we talked, about

594
00:28:36,960 --> 00:28:38,279
a little more. Size he's not going to be a

595
00:28:38,319 --> 00:28:41,200
backup center or anything like. That he's just not cut

596
00:28:41,240 --> 00:28:43,519
out for. That but kind of a guy that does

597
00:28:43,519 --> 00:28:46,000
a lot of champagne stuff plus more plus in a

598
00:28:46,440 --> 00:28:50,480
like a bigger positional, size a big you, know larger.

599
00:28:50,559 --> 00:28:54,960
Package so like other than, him, THOUGH i didn't really

600
00:28:55,160 --> 00:28:58,400
go expensive or super, Ambitious SO i THINK i, think

601
00:28:59,000 --> 00:29:01,000
how aggressive should they? Be the answer to me is like,

602
00:29:02,440 --> 00:29:04,720
moderately you, KNOW i.

603
00:29:04,799 --> 00:29:07,559
Speaker 1: Thought what about Is Trey murphy too aggressive for this?

604
00:29:07,720 --> 00:29:11,880
Speaker 2: Team salary, wise certainly not if you're comfortable giving up

605
00:29:11,880 --> 00:29:14,000
some of, those maybe you give up a bunch of

606
00:29:14,039 --> 00:29:17,359
those like incoming picks that you have or those, swaps

607
00:29:18,359 --> 00:29:24,440
because he he's ACTUALLY i don't know that he plays

608
00:29:24,559 --> 00:29:27,359
like a whole lot bigger Than champagne, does BUT i

609
00:29:27,400 --> 00:29:31,000
think he gets treated differently by defenses and has more

610
00:29:31,039 --> 00:29:33,400
of like if you he's not just a, shooter like

611
00:29:33,559 --> 00:29:37,319
just his, athleticism and he's, longer SO i would be

612
00:29:38,279 --> 00:29:39,359
you can also play they.

613
00:29:39,359 --> 00:29:41,960
Speaker 1: Went for him and you can also play him In champagne,

614
00:29:42,000 --> 00:29:46,240
together Whereas Harrison barnes And Julian champagne together is a

615
00:29:46,359 --> 00:29:49,599
non non. Option there's, yeah there's not enough like fake

616
00:29:49,640 --> 00:29:52,640
and go between either of those two, guys Whereas murphy.

617
00:29:52,440 --> 00:29:57,160
Speaker 2: Would definitely give you that Element ruimura, like you're JUST

618
00:29:57,279 --> 00:29:59,200
i don't know how you're signing. HIM i just don't

619
00:29:59,240 --> 00:30:01,480
think a bit of A, YEAH i think he's.

620
00:30:01,519 --> 00:30:05,160
Speaker 1: Done who's closing more games for? Them champagne Or Hot

621
00:30:05,200 --> 00:30:07,279
you can close with both of them, too, probably but.

622
00:30:07,559 --> 00:30:10,400
Speaker 2: Yeah it's they're they talk about similar players and Just

623
00:30:10,480 --> 00:30:14,160
hachimura is bigger that but they really are pretty. Close

624
00:30:14,680 --> 00:30:17,759
so maybe maybe the the argument against that is like

625
00:30:17,880 --> 00:30:21,519
they're too duplicative and it's not worth paying figuring out

626
00:30:21,559 --> 00:30:23,000
how to pay more than the mid level to Get

627
00:30:23,079 --> 00:30:26,200
haimura if you already Have champagne making three million, dollars you,

628
00:30:26,240 --> 00:30:27,680
know potentially next year.

629
00:30:30,240 --> 00:30:32,119
Speaker 1: In terms of like another NAME i thought of be

630
00:30:32,200 --> 00:30:35,880
a trade Target Andrew wiggins for this team to do

631
00:30:35,960 --> 00:30:36,359
it for you.

632
00:30:38,319 --> 00:30:43,920
Speaker 2: Look who you're talking, TO, i, well is. There it

633
00:30:43,960 --> 00:30:45,559
would have to be a trade because he's not opting

634
00:30:45,599 --> 00:30:49,039
out to sign like a four for sixty sixty or.

635
00:30:49,079 --> 00:30:51,079
Something yeah like. That that seems. Unlikely he was on

636
00:30:51,200 --> 00:30:56,359
my list, too you get you, know you've got to

637
00:30:56,400 --> 00:30:58,720
be careful with, saying, well he's a little more, dynamic

638
00:30:58,839 --> 00:31:00,839
like he could get downhill because at his age that's

639
00:31:00,880 --> 00:31:03,400
starting to go a little. Bit but he is. Bigger

640
00:31:03,440 --> 00:31:06,559
he can definitely guard guys that That champagne And vissel,

641
00:31:06,640 --> 00:31:09,279
cannot or at least he has that. Reputation, again be

642
00:31:09,359 --> 00:31:13,440
careful with the agent curve on the cheaper end of,

643
00:31:13,519 --> 00:31:17,039
It LIKE i guess he's got a partially non guaranteed

644
00:31:17,079 --> 00:31:19,880
deal like Haywoodhigh smith would be an interesting like lower

645
00:31:20,000 --> 00:31:21,000
level get a.

646
00:31:21,039 --> 00:31:26,480
Speaker 1: Flyer there'd be an interesting lower level flyer two justin

647
00:31:26,599 --> 00:31:29,119
champagnee is that?

648
00:31:29,240 --> 00:31:30,160
Speaker 2: Allowed can you do?

649
00:31:30,279 --> 00:31:36,519
Speaker 1: THAT i hope, SO i thought about he doesn't provide the,

650
00:31:36,559 --> 00:31:39,720
shooting but you talk about downhill and then some like

651
00:31:39,799 --> 00:31:44,039
positional versatilion DEFENSE Nausei marshall for the sugar OR. Pj

652
00:31:44,240 --> 00:31:47,680
washington his teammate might be the better fit, overall, right

653
00:31:47,720 --> 00:31:49,480
you could slide him up to the, five certainly in

654
00:31:49,519 --> 00:31:50,079
a playoff.

655
00:31:50,519 --> 00:31:54,240
Speaker 2: Setting, well you Mentioned Aaron Gordon Spencer. Jones he's, restricted

656
00:31:54,319 --> 00:31:56,759
but that if you're trying on the cheap like good,

657
00:31:56,839 --> 00:32:00,279
size apparently somehow makes threes despite it looking like it's

658
00:32:00,319 --> 00:32:00,720
never going.

659
00:32:00,799 --> 00:32:04,319
Speaker 1: In his his form looks like he's trying to Recreate

660
00:32:04,480 --> 00:32:07,200
Michale bridges' hitch in, practice but, worse.

661
00:32:07,440 --> 00:32:10,759
Speaker 2: The whole shot is a. HITCH i would, say, basically, uh,

662
00:32:12,079 --> 00:32:15,000
threes though last year or so it goes. In that's

663
00:32:15,039 --> 00:32:16,400
one where it's, Like i'm gonna need to see at

664
00:32:16,440 --> 00:32:18,400
least a couple more years of that BEFORE i believe

665
00:32:18,480 --> 00:32:24,200
that's ever going in. Regularly, Actually, Oh Mittie, stible, LIKE

666
00:32:24,519 --> 00:32:27,079
i don't know if the shooting will ever be something

667
00:32:27,160 --> 00:32:30,240
defenses care, about but can you imagine him knowing he

668
00:32:30,319 --> 00:32:32,599
Has wemby on the back, line just what he would do,

669
00:32:32,799 --> 00:32:36,000
defensively just just like he's in the passing lanes as it,

670
00:32:36,119 --> 00:32:39,319
is but you would he would just be fully, unleashed

671
00:32:39,559 --> 00:32:44,119
like you've just unthinkable. Disruption and he would not cost

672
00:32:44,160 --> 00:32:46,440
the mid. LEVEL i don't Think Dean.

673
00:32:46,519 --> 00:32:49,920
Speaker 1: Wade they could probably afford, him does He he's not

674
00:32:50,200 --> 00:32:52,200
a better shooter Than. Champagne so that's more of a

675
00:32:52,319 --> 00:32:54,839
just a depth piece that we think could play in the,

676
00:32:54,920 --> 00:32:57,680
finals which he he could, have like you probably playing

677
00:32:57,720 --> 00:33:00,359
him Over Keldon johnson for some of those stretches you.

678
00:33:00,440 --> 00:33:02,440
Speaker 2: Might have because He'd, YEAH i think that's a good.

679
00:33:02,480 --> 00:33:05,200
One John, collins can you get him for the mid

680
00:33:05,319 --> 00:33:10,559
level because he shot it great last? Year, again maybe

681
00:33:10,759 --> 00:33:13,720
you could use him as a postseason backup. CENTER i

682
00:33:13,759 --> 00:33:16,359
don't know how comfortable you'd be with, that BUT i

683
00:33:17,039 --> 00:33:20,599
like him as just a Bigger champagne who can do

684
00:33:20,680 --> 00:33:23,200
a little bit more defensively just because of his, SIZE i,

685
00:33:23,240 --> 00:33:26,359
Think and Actually collins is not bad if he's got a,

686
00:33:26,400 --> 00:33:30,119
guard a smaller. Player he's not like the bouncy guy

687
00:33:30,200 --> 00:33:32,720
that's blocking shots like he was With atlanta years. Ago

688
00:33:32,839 --> 00:33:34,000
BUT i think there's something.

689
00:33:34,079 --> 00:33:37,319
Speaker 1: There should they be looking at any of the guys

690
00:33:37,400 --> 00:33:40,960
THAT okac could theoretically. Dump Kendrick williams Or Aaron. WIGGINS

691
00:33:41,000 --> 00:33:42,920
i think are the two that would stand out to me.

692
00:33:43,000 --> 00:33:46,440
Speaker 2: There Wiggins wiggins would kind OF i MEAN i already

693
00:33:46,480 --> 00:33:50,240
kind of compared. HIM i Imagine wiggins would slot in Behind,

694
00:33:50,400 --> 00:33:53,799
champenny but in a similar. Role can do a little

695
00:33:53,839 --> 00:33:56,759
more with the. Ball MAYBE i Think wiggins. Can but,

696
00:33:57,000 --> 00:33:59,680
UH i, again we're kind of looking. For if you're

697
00:33:59,720 --> 00:34:03,240
looking for that's feels like regular season, depth you, know

698
00:34:03,559 --> 00:34:06,119
feels more like regular season. Depth the front court is

699
00:34:06,119 --> 00:34:08,719
where it's more interesting to, Me like your your potential backup,

700
00:34:08,800 --> 00:34:09,840
centers and you're.

701
00:34:09,920 --> 00:34:13,880
Speaker 1: Like how much that spot are you and because you, could,

702
00:34:14,199 --> 00:34:16,719
like can you open up maybe some more dual big

703
00:34:16,840 --> 00:34:19,280
combination Since wenby's a good, spacer AND i think the

704
00:34:19,320 --> 00:34:21,199
two names THAT i just have circled here would Be

705
00:34:21,960 --> 00:34:26,480
Robert williams the third Or Mitchell. ROBINSON i think the issue, there,

706
00:34:26,559 --> 00:34:29,719
though is those two are not very, durable and if

707
00:34:29,760 --> 00:34:34,440
you're all trying to like buy regular season, innings they

708
00:34:34,559 --> 00:34:36,079
might not be the players to depend. On but if

709
00:34:36,119 --> 00:34:39,119
you're Keeping Lou cornett then it's. Not then it's.

710
00:34:39,159 --> 00:34:42,360
Speaker 2: NOT i kind OF i don't know how realistic it

711
00:34:42,440 --> 00:34:44,079
is BECAUSE i don't know what the market for him would.

712
00:34:44,079 --> 00:34:45,440
Be BUT i kind of viewed a lot of my

713
00:34:46,719 --> 00:34:51,239
center thoughts with the idea That cornett would not be,

714
00:34:51,360 --> 00:34:54,159
there you, know like this is the new backup And cornett's,

715
00:34:54,159 --> 00:34:57,119
gone just because it's more fun that, way frankly to

716
00:34:57,159 --> 00:34:58,719
think about. It so the OTHER i, HAD i Had

717
00:34:59,079 --> 00:35:03,679
mitch and Time lord for, sure what about Like mamu

718
00:35:04,320 --> 00:35:07,360
as as like at a EXCELLENT i mean as a,

719
00:35:07,440 --> 00:35:10,119
spacer as an like he's a good, passer he can you,

720
00:35:10,159 --> 00:35:11,039
know is he any?

721
00:35:11,159 --> 00:35:13,920
Speaker 1: Face he wasn't really playable or he did he played

722
00:35:13,960 --> 00:35:15,760
in the playoffs with The, raptors but like he's. NOT

723
00:35:16,360 --> 00:35:17,800
i feel like they could run into some of the

724
00:35:17,840 --> 00:35:22,199
same defensive issues that they did With. Cornett, YES i.

725
00:35:22,360 --> 00:35:24,519
Speaker 2: View, Yeah i'm thinking of him more in tandem With

726
00:35:24,599 --> 00:35:27,400
wemby than like as as a replacement for. Him and

727
00:35:27,519 --> 00:35:29,880
maybe that's different If Carter bryant takes a step forward

728
00:35:29,920 --> 00:35:31,880
to and you can kind of mix and match who

729
00:35:31,960 --> 00:35:33,960
you have each of them guard in terms of their

730
00:35:34,000 --> 00:35:38,159
front court, matchups and the other one is porzingis if

731
00:35:38,280 --> 00:35:42,280
like if you could be interesting forty regular season games

732
00:35:42,320 --> 00:35:44,599
out of him and then he's actually healthy for most

733
00:35:44,639 --> 00:35:47,840
of the. Playoffs like that would BE i, mean you

734
00:35:47,920 --> 00:35:50,559
could get a lot done. Offensively he would talk about

735
00:35:50,599 --> 00:35:53,800
the spacing help for the guards like a we've we've

736
00:35:53,920 --> 00:35:56,199
you've brought this, Up like wouldn't it be great If

737
00:35:56,239 --> 00:35:59,159
wemby could just do The porzingis like elbow catch and

738
00:35:59,360 --> 00:36:01,239
draw foul, Thing, like, well now you would just Have

739
00:36:01,280 --> 00:36:03,639
forzingis to do, that so that, Works like they would

740
00:36:03,639 --> 00:36:04,920
be a safe those two.

741
00:36:05,000 --> 00:36:07,480
Speaker 1: Together what is that like eighteen feet OF i mean

742
00:36:07,559 --> 00:36:08,079
it would.

743
00:36:07,880 --> 00:36:10,559
Speaker 2: Work like like why wouldn't it? Work Like wemby can?

744
00:36:10,679 --> 00:36:14,440
Move that's? Fine, YEAH i Don't, Yeah collins was my other.

745
00:36:14,480 --> 00:36:17,679
ONE i kind of had both in the forward end center. Slots,

746
00:36:18,559 --> 00:36:19,760
uh this is very.

747
00:36:19,840 --> 00:36:21,119
Speaker 1: ODD i don't know if he can play the. Five

748
00:36:21,400 --> 00:36:24,199
Kyle philipowski might be. INTERESTING i don't know if If

749
00:36:24,360 --> 00:36:27,000
utah Keeps Walker kessler and wants like a more traditional

750
00:36:27,039 --> 00:36:30,360
big to back him And Jaron jackson junior, up Maybe philipowski's.

751
00:36:30,360 --> 00:36:33,639
Speaker 2: Available, yeah as at least as a regular six season.

752
00:36:33,719 --> 00:36:36,960
Proposition it's kind of intriguing to me for The spurs

753
00:36:37,000 --> 00:36:39,920
second unit or just second like Whenever wemby's not on the,

754
00:36:39,960 --> 00:36:44,119
floor to just be super offensively oriented and just like try,

755
00:36:44,199 --> 00:36:48,119
to you, know if in the in the six minute

756
00:36:48,159 --> 00:36:50,599
stints That wemby, rest just try to have like a

757
00:36:50,679 --> 00:36:53,119
one thirty offensive rating and give up a one twenty

758
00:36:53,199 --> 00:36:55,320
five and call it. Good you, Know LIKE i THINK

759
00:36:55,400 --> 00:36:57,280
i think that would Be that's one way to, go

760
00:36:57,360 --> 00:37:00,360
because you as athletic as The spurs can, be just

761
00:37:00,480 --> 00:37:02,440
run just When wemby's not on the, floor just like

762
00:37:02,519 --> 00:37:05,039
get up and down and see what you can. Do you,

763
00:37:05,079 --> 00:37:07,480
KNOW i think their identity is built on, defense so

764
00:37:07,559 --> 00:37:10,159
it's not so easy to flip that. Switch But philipowski

765
00:37:10,199 --> 00:37:12,239
would at least and really mom move for that, matter

766
00:37:12,320 --> 00:37:13,800
and some of the other guys we mentioned would fit

767
00:37:13,880 --> 00:37:15,320
into that that.

768
00:37:15,519 --> 00:37:18,199
Speaker 1: Mold do you Think Daniel gafford would have been more

769
00:37:18,280 --> 00:37:22,079
playable Than cornett down the stretch of the, Season.

770
00:37:23,400 --> 00:37:26,840
Speaker 2: Maybe a, LITTLE i, mean just as a just more

771
00:37:26,920 --> 00:37:32,159
athletic and not quite so vulnerable to like being out in.

772
00:37:32,280 --> 00:37:35,400
Space MAYBE i think? So do you think? SO I,

773
00:37:35,599 --> 00:37:38,320
like there's a lot he's probably a better lob, threat

774
00:37:38,360 --> 00:37:40,320
even though that's kind of What cornett is out there for,

775
00:37:40,519 --> 00:37:43,320
Offensively efford when he's healthy is one of the best

776
00:37:43,360 --> 00:37:44,400
lob catchers in the. League.

777
00:37:44,800 --> 00:37:47,400
Speaker 1: YEAH i don't like that contract THOUGH i wasn't a

778
00:37:47,440 --> 00:37:48,960
fan of it in real, time AND i don't think

779
00:37:49,000 --> 00:37:51,480
it's aged that. Great. MAYBE i, mean you just wouldn't

780
00:37:51,480 --> 00:37:53,199
have to give up a. Ton i'm staring at three

781
00:37:53,320 --> 00:37:56,840
names that they. WOULD i think they'd only be. Moved

782
00:37:57,239 --> 00:37:59,280
you're coming in The spurs as a third team because

783
00:37:59,280 --> 00:38:01,440
these players are being moved as part of like a larger.

784
00:38:01,599 --> 00:38:04,119
Package Uh na's.

785
00:38:04,159 --> 00:38:12,599
Speaker 2: Reed, YEAH i mean, there there's there's a lot to

786
00:38:12,840 --> 00:38:18,440
like about his fit With wemby or as a replacement for,

787
00:38:18,599 --> 00:38:20,559
Him AND i keep coming back, to, like Is Carter

788
00:38:20,639 --> 00:38:24,199
bryant gonna be like this defensive monster on the second

789
00:38:24,320 --> 00:38:26,320
unit because you kind of need that If reid is

790
00:38:26,360 --> 00:38:30,960
going to play backup center for. You, yeah that's interesting.

791
00:38:31,039 --> 00:38:36,480
Speaker 1: That oh the other name was Khalil. Ware, OH i

792
00:38:36,519 --> 00:38:38,920
don't love as. MUCH i don't like it as. Much

793
00:38:38,960 --> 00:38:40,039
BUT i thought it was like if they were just

794
00:38:40,079 --> 00:38:42,719
continuing to lean into youth And milwaukee doesn't want, him

795
00:38:42,760 --> 00:38:45,480
if there's A yanni's trade to be had out, There uh,

796
00:38:45,519 --> 00:38:48,199
huh but you. COULD i, mean he's played With, bams

797
00:38:48,239 --> 00:38:49,119
we could certainly play With.

798
00:38:49,199 --> 00:38:53,920
Speaker 2: Wemby, yeah, yeah uh, HM i, LIKE i mean OBVIOUSLY

799
00:38:53,920 --> 00:38:56,800
i like read better even though the cost is so much. Higher,

800
00:38:57,719 --> 00:38:59,119
YEAH i mean is.

801
00:38:59,159 --> 00:39:02,719
Speaker 1: He Health Steven adams? Healthy, YEAH i, MEAN i, Know

802
00:39:02,920 --> 00:39:03,559
i'm appreciing of.

803
00:39:03,559 --> 00:39:06,679
Speaker 2: The yeah, again you gave Me wiggins and you give

804
00:39:06,760 --> 00:39:11,679
Me Steven. Adams. UH i mean he would be incredible

805
00:39:12,000 --> 00:39:14,320
if only because you would remove him from the group

806
00:39:14,360 --> 00:39:16,280
of players that could Beat wemby up over the course

807
00:39:16,320 --> 00:39:19,880
of a, season just like the savings on that end

808
00:39:19,920 --> 00:39:20,920
of it alone might be worth.

809
00:39:20,960 --> 00:39:24,880
Speaker 1: IT i think that's LIKE i don't even know they're.

810
00:39:24,920 --> 00:39:28,480
Big the upgrading from The champagnie spot is like more

811
00:39:28,559 --> 00:39:30,320
difficult than you would, think.

812
00:39:30,639 --> 00:39:33,079
Speaker 2: Right, WELL i got a holistic guys that it's like

813
00:39:33,880 --> 00:39:37,760
you might, say, there you could squint and say they're

814
00:39:37,840 --> 00:39:41,320
upgrades just thinking free age Like Norm. Powell yeah maybe

815
00:39:41,599 --> 00:39:44,760
but like offensively but maybe but not defensively and also

816
00:39:44,840 --> 00:39:47,559
not any. Bigger Quentin grimes like kind of the same

817
00:39:47,679 --> 00:39:52,400
story Like dissume mu Matherin Kobe, white Like Kean. Ellis

818
00:39:52,480 --> 00:39:54,400
like all these guys are kind of like, yeah they

819
00:39:54,480 --> 00:39:58,199
sort of would semi fit into the same. Spot and

820
00:39:58,280 --> 00:40:01,119
you could see that in some aspects they'd be, better

821
00:40:01,800 --> 00:40:04,559
but not enough to justify, Like, okay this is where

822
00:40:04,599 --> 00:40:07,239
the mid levels, going and several of those guys won't

823
00:40:07,239 --> 00:40:09,440
even sign for the mid, level Like white for. Example

824
00:40:10,280 --> 00:40:15,039
what About Cam? Johnson so what's going out in?

825
00:40:15,159 --> 00:40:18,400
Speaker 1: THAT i, Mean denver's looking At, DENVER i feel, like

826
00:40:18,559 --> 00:40:20,599
is gonna do something this offseason that we all? Hate

827
00:40:20,679 --> 00:40:24,000
and so they're saving money somehow there's another team, involved

828
00:40:24,000 --> 00:40:27,039
and maybe you're giving up a pick plus like The

829
00:40:27,199 --> 00:40:30,280
Keldon johnson, money and THEN i think that actually might

830
00:40:30,320 --> 00:40:31,760
be enough for The spurs to do it because they're

831
00:40:31,760 --> 00:40:33,880
so far into the. Tax but you could include other

832
00:40:33,960 --> 00:40:35,719
small salaries if you need. To maybe it's A Harrison

833
00:40:35,719 --> 00:40:38,559
barnes sign in trade or something he's.

834
00:40:38,440 --> 00:40:41,800
Speaker 2: Just, inspiring, right like twenty three Expiring.

835
00:40:42,079 --> 00:40:44,840
Speaker 1: CHAMPAGNIE i think is the better, defender But Cam johnson

836
00:40:44,880 --> 00:40:47,519
definitely has more feel on the offensive end as a

837
00:40:47,559 --> 00:40:49,719
passer and even just a score and he might.

838
00:40:49,760 --> 00:40:51,320
Speaker 2: Yeah AND i think he might just be a better shooter.

839
00:40:51,679 --> 00:40:53,920
Overall MAYBE i THINK i.

840
00:40:53,920 --> 00:40:56,280
Speaker 1: Would say, NO i think that's that's definitely, Right and

841
00:40:56,400 --> 00:40:58,719
could you you could play those two together as? Well,

842
00:40:59,119 --> 00:41:03,039
Right And champenne if you wanted, To, YEAH i.

843
00:41:03,280 --> 00:41:05,400
Speaker 2: DON'T i THINK i think you could. THAT i, LIKE

844
00:41:05,519 --> 00:41:07,360
i tell, you i'd like that fit better Than Keldon

845
00:41:07,400 --> 00:41:09,800
johnson In champagne for you, know for, example just because

846
00:41:09,800 --> 00:41:13,800
you're getting icy Double, space we're talking about him. Upgrades,

847
00:41:14,400 --> 00:41:16,079
YEAH i don't really have a lot of other. Names,

848
00:41:16,920 --> 00:41:19,519
no there's way down the, list Like Luke canard could

849
00:41:19,559 --> 00:41:22,119
be someone that you could get for cheap that is

850
00:41:22,199 --> 00:41:24,719
going to Space and maybe that's the type of like

851
00:41:25,159 --> 00:41:28,400
stabilizing secondary ball handler you're talking, About like you want

852
00:41:28,440 --> 00:41:32,639
to Jont, milton you want who back To Jonta murray?

853
00:41:32,679 --> 00:41:35,480
Back or he's not ticking any boxes as far AS

854
00:41:35,519 --> 00:41:37,400
i can see the ball.

855
00:41:37,519 --> 00:41:40,639
Speaker 1: Handling come? On does The fox the the only thing

856
00:41:40,679 --> 00:41:42,880
that we haven't talked about with regard to, this AND

857
00:41:42,920 --> 00:41:45,079
i think it. Should it bleeds through in the names

858
00:41:45,119 --> 00:41:49,519
that we. Suggested i'm not hawking The Aaron fox around

859
00:41:49,519 --> 00:41:51,119
the league BECAUSE i don't think his trade value is

860
00:41:51,119 --> 00:41:53,599
going to be very. High i'd rather try to if

861
00:41:53,639 --> 00:41:55,320
the goal is to get out of that, contract he's

862
00:41:55,320 --> 00:41:58,800
a better chance of rehabilitating it this, season because, otherwise

863
00:41:59,039 --> 00:42:01,519
who's the? Player maybe like In Aaron, gordon there have

864
00:42:01,599 --> 00:42:03,159
to be other teams, involved but just as a for,

865
00:42:03,280 --> 00:42:07,159
instance or even if It's, wiggins if you're Sending fox To, miami,

866
00:42:08,239 --> 00:42:10,320
like how much do you need to attach to make

867
00:42:10,400 --> 00:42:12,440
that happen? Now because of the way his contract might

868
00:42:12,480 --> 00:42:14,599
be viewed around the. League, AGAIN i think perception is

869
00:42:14,679 --> 00:42:18,840
veering too far in the wrong. Direction but the state

870
00:42:18,920 --> 00:42:20,519
of play right now IS i don't think you Put

871
00:42:20,559 --> 00:42:23,000
fox on the trade market that you're getting value for.

872
00:42:23,159 --> 00:42:27,440
Speaker 2: Him probably. NOT i was just looking at, like Supporter

873
00:42:27,559 --> 00:42:31,039
junior makes about forty and is expiring In fox next

874
00:42:31,119 --> 00:42:34,079
year's at forty nine and a, half and that would

875
00:42:34,159 --> 00:42:37,440
work because Of brooklyn's cap. SPACE i, think just not

876
00:42:37,840 --> 00:42:38,760
running in through the trade.

877
00:42:38,800 --> 00:42:41,079
Speaker 1: Machine but then you need to go out and get

878
00:42:41,679 --> 00:42:44,559
the primary ball, handler like someone who is more of

879
00:42:44,599 --> 00:42:46,760
a view Than Dylan. Harper IF i do, That i'm

880
00:42:46,800 --> 00:42:48,960
just SAYING i Think Dylan harper can be my every down,

881
00:42:49,159 --> 00:42:49,800
QUARTERBACK i.

882
00:42:50,119 --> 00:42:52,440
Speaker 2: Think and that's not a crazy bet to. Make, no it's,

883
00:42:52,519 --> 00:42:52,800
me it's.

884
00:42:52,880 --> 00:42:55,440
Speaker 1: Not but it's also, Okay so what is the? Backup

885
00:42:55,599 --> 00:42:57,800
so It's Steph castle And Dylan, harper and that's who's

886
00:42:57,880 --> 00:43:02,039
charged with our offensive Sanctity, okay, look it might, work

887
00:43:02,519 --> 00:43:05,920
BUT i need another layer of protection that's Not jordan,

888
00:43:06,000 --> 00:43:07,559
McLoughlin don't, well.

889
00:43:07,519 --> 00:43:09,480
Speaker 2: Okay which you could go Get adam and you can

890
00:43:09,559 --> 00:43:11,840
find him maybe and then maybe we're back in The

891
00:43:11,880 --> 00:43:13,920
Tias jones business or something like what WAS i.

892
00:43:14,000 --> 00:43:15,440
Speaker 1: Saying they need to go out and trade For John

893
00:43:15,480 --> 00:43:18,000
brunton if you're gonna trade To michael because.

894
00:43:18,760 --> 00:43:21,360
Speaker 2: Well, okay last, thing because we've belabored this a little.

895
00:43:21,360 --> 00:43:25,880
Bit but LIKE i, WOULD i would happily just take

896
00:43:25,960 --> 00:43:29,239
BACK mpj For fox and know THAT i was getting

897
00:43:29,280 --> 00:43:31,480
out of the fifty to sixty. Million i'm gonna pay

898
00:43:31,679 --> 00:43:34,199
on the out years on that deal and just HOPE

899
00:43:34,239 --> 00:43:37,320
i trust one Trust harper And castle to get good

900
00:43:37,400 --> 00:43:38,800
enough at WHAT i need them to get good. At

901
00:43:39,159 --> 00:43:42,880
with the benefit OF mpj providing better spacing and, TRUSTING

902
00:43:42,920 --> 00:43:46,599
i could go find someone for the minimum or maybe

903
00:43:46,639 --> 00:43:48,199
a little bit more than, that depending ON i, mean

904
00:43:48,199 --> 00:43:50,599
you've just saved, money by the way with that, deal and,

905
00:43:50,760 --> 00:43:53,400
awesome LIKE i can get my third guard somewhere.

906
00:43:53,440 --> 00:43:56,920
Speaker 1: Else you need the you need THE i need to

907
00:43:57,000 --> 00:43:59,400
know what the move after that. IS i won't, say

908
00:43:59,480 --> 00:44:01,440
LIKE i too high on The Iron fox as a

909
00:44:01,480 --> 00:44:04,159
player still and how important he was to their offensive

910
00:44:04,159 --> 00:44:07,920
structure during the. Season for me to just say getting

911
00:44:07,960 --> 00:44:09,679
out of that money is this huge win for you know?

912
00:44:09,760 --> 00:44:11,679
What what does that do for you getting out of that?

913
00:44:11,760 --> 00:44:14,719
Speaker 2: Money, no that's so getting out of the money isn't

914
00:44:14,760 --> 00:44:16,760
the principal motivator.

915
00:44:16,800 --> 00:44:23,360
Speaker 1: Here it's just Exposing wenby To Andrew tate. Podcasts you know, what.

916
00:44:23,599 --> 00:44:28,039
Speaker 2: For these, Reasons i'm back. Out maybe Maybe wenby could

917
00:44:28,079 --> 00:44:30,239
like Talk Andrew tait out of all of his beliefs

918
00:44:30,400 --> 00:44:32,400
just by being, like you're not you're not seeing the

919
00:44:32,440 --> 00:44:33,400
world for what it.

920
00:44:33,519 --> 00:44:39,199
Speaker 1: IS i don't think ahead out of his. Beliefs but,

921
00:44:42,840 --> 00:44:44,599
YEAH i think The fox thing would be the Only

922
00:44:44,679 --> 00:44:48,079
it's funny BECAUSE i am impressed by then we don't

923
00:44:48,159 --> 00:44:49,920
have a bunch of people clamoring for them to get

924
00:44:49,960 --> 00:44:52,280
involved in The yanni, sweepstakes which could be over by

925
00:44:52,320 --> 00:44:54,559
the time you listen to. This uh maybe so hopefully

926
00:44:54,679 --> 00:44:57,360
That i'm impressed. By but The fox move just feels

927
00:44:58,079 --> 00:45:00,880
nuclear to me because even if you're viewing it as

928
00:45:00,960 --> 00:45:02,840
we got off his money and we're Getting Porter junior

929
00:45:02,880 --> 00:45:05,360
in here as an expiring, contract to, me then you

930
00:45:05,480 --> 00:45:08,039
still need to go make a move that's angled at

931
00:45:08,400 --> 00:45:11,639
with some immediate, urgency just to couch the idea that

932
00:45:12,360 --> 00:45:15,039
what If castle has moments like he did and it

933
00:45:15,119 --> 00:45:17,280
doesn't improves a pick and roll ball handler as a,

934
00:45:17,480 --> 00:45:21,000
Spacer and then what If Dylan harper is only An

935
00:45:21,000 --> 00:45:23,000
All star next year instead of An ALL nba. Player

936
00:45:23,400 --> 00:45:27,119
so that's that's why The fox move would still feel,

937
00:45:27,199 --> 00:45:31,840
nuclear especially if you're not getting a like ANOTHER i had,

938
00:45:31,880 --> 00:45:34,679
thought is there something If miami is like really trying

939
00:45:34,719 --> 00:45:37,079
to star hump at the, Moment i'm not sure IF i.

940
00:45:37,159 --> 00:45:40,000
WAS i threw this at you was Can fox go

941
00:45:40,119 --> 00:45:42,880
To memphis because there's, like now you don't have to

942
00:45:42,960 --> 00:45:45,039
care about his contract as much As memphis because you're,

943
00:45:45,039 --> 00:45:46,719
rebuilding but you also don't want to be terrible in

944
00:45:46,760 --> 00:45:50,639
the new lottery. Format Jahn morant To miami and then,

945
00:45:50,679 --> 00:45:52,800
like did you send out stuff and Got Tyler hero

946
00:45:53,199 --> 00:45:55,599
and then he's giming an off ball player? Too or

947
00:45:55,679 --> 00:45:57,880
is that The wiggins? Deal but again Then i'm still

948
00:45:57,920 --> 00:45:59,519
looking at what are we doing with the can you

949
00:45:59,559 --> 00:46:01,400
Get Pele larson as part of that as with just

950
00:46:01,639 --> 00:46:02,800
another ball handler in?

951
00:46:02,880 --> 00:46:05,760
Speaker 2: Here, YEAH i think this will be we should track

952
00:46:05,840 --> 00:46:08,400
this BECAUSE i think we just kind of disagree about

953
00:46:09,639 --> 00:46:13,679
how Viable San antonio's offense could be if you just

954
00:46:13,960 --> 00:46:16,719
Replaced fox with a non guard and turned it over

955
00:46:16,920 --> 00:46:18,360
to the guys they.

956
00:46:18,440 --> 00:46:20,760
Speaker 1: HAVE i JUST i don't.

957
00:46:20,800 --> 00:46:24,119
Speaker 2: KNOW I i think it also you have to factor in,

958
00:46:24,199 --> 00:46:26,480
that Like fox is entering part of his career where

959
00:46:26,559 --> 00:46:29,079
like he's gonna get, worse you, know like he's an

960
00:46:29,079 --> 00:46:31,679
athleticism based, player and all the rim numbers have trended

961
00:46:31,760 --> 00:46:34,880
down for years and the three point shots never, Stabilized

962
00:46:34,920 --> 00:46:37,599
like he. Matters he's a good, player BUT i think

963
00:46:37,639 --> 00:46:39,719
you could get a good player at another spot for

964
00:46:39,840 --> 00:46:43,199
him and then trust, that LIKE i so here's here's

965
00:46:43,360 --> 00:46:46,320
here's the. Thing maybe there's some Like i'm being protective

966
00:46:46,360 --> 00:46:50,800
here BECAUSE i Thought wemby would be, spectacular and THEN

967
00:46:50,840 --> 00:46:53,239
i picked The spurs to finish with like forty four

968
00:46:53,320 --> 00:46:54,960
wins or. Something you can't you don't get to do.

969
00:46:55,079 --> 00:46:57,880
Both so With, HARPER i don't get to SAY i

970
00:46:57,960 --> 00:47:01,760
think this guy is the greatest thing ever. Seen mild,

971
00:47:01,840 --> 00:47:05,480
Exaggeration like just mild with the, exaggeration and then say,

972
00:47:05,559 --> 00:47:07,440
like BUT i don't think in year two he could

973
00:47:07,480 --> 00:47:10,119
take on the lion's share of the, playmaking Like i'm

974
00:47:10,159 --> 00:47:12,199
trying To i'm gonna be consistent BECAUSE i wasn't With,

975
00:47:12,320 --> 00:47:13,159
wimby AND i.

976
00:47:13,239 --> 00:47:17,239
Speaker 1: Think that you've. Been i'm incredibly high On Dillan, harper

977
00:47:17,280 --> 00:47:20,199
and you are just a believer like, him being more

978
00:47:20,199 --> 00:47:23,639
of AN i, think, yeah you've NEVER i feel like

979
00:47:23,679 --> 00:47:27,400
you haven't focused on the playmaking when you're talking about. That,

980
00:47:27,599 --> 00:47:28,519
no you're.

981
00:47:28,719 --> 00:47:31,239
Speaker 2: Right and and this is me just saying a guy

982
00:47:31,360 --> 00:47:33,599
that can do all the things that he does and

983
00:47:33,760 --> 00:47:37,360
like clearly to me sees the game the way that he,

984
00:47:37,559 --> 00:47:41,000
DOES i think he. CAN i think either he already

985
00:47:41,039 --> 00:47:43,119
has had the ability to play make and wasn't allowed

986
00:47:43,159 --> 00:47:45,960
to do, it or is so talented and has such

987
00:47:46,000 --> 00:47:47,679
a good head for it that he'll figure it. Out

988
00:47:47,800 --> 00:47:49,920
LIKE i, really it's it's kind of a blind faith.

989
00:47:50,039 --> 00:47:52,760
Argument and it is me just SAYING i think he's

990
00:47:52,880 --> 00:47:56,320
so incredible as a prospect that it like it would

991
00:47:56,360 --> 00:47:59,840
be impossible for me to imagine him not just finding

992
00:48:00,119 --> 00:48:03,199
way or uncovering what's already there in terms of like

993
00:48:03,360 --> 00:48:06,000
just being an elite. PLAYMAKER i just and and so you're,

994
00:48:06,079 --> 00:48:09,840
Right Like i'm not citing his you, know, oh how

995
00:48:09,920 --> 00:48:11,679
often does he hit the weak side corner on a

996
00:48:11,760 --> 00:48:13,719
pick on like a sling pet. LIKE i JUST i

997
00:48:14,119 --> 00:48:16,639
don't know what the data. SAYS i imagine it's not super,

998
00:48:16,679 --> 00:48:18,960
favorable and The spurs no more than we. Do by the,

999
00:48:18,960 --> 00:48:20,760
way they didn't let him do, That so that's a

1000
00:48:20,840 --> 00:48:23,199
data point in your favor where it's, like, well if

1001
00:48:23,239 --> 00:48:24,800
he was, this if he was so, great he would

1002
00:48:24,840 --> 00:48:26,360
have shown it in. Practice they would have given him

1003
00:48:26,360 --> 00:48:29,280
the ball Over fox a long time. Ago. FAIR i

1004
00:48:29,440 --> 00:48:31,320
just think IT'S i think a guy with that much

1005
00:48:31,400 --> 00:48:34,119
potential just like he'll find a way and maybe maybe

1006
00:48:34,199 --> 00:48:36,440
all he, is maybe is AN sga level lead ball.

1007
00:48:36,440 --> 00:48:38,760
Handler maybe that's all he. Is who's you know that

1008
00:48:38,920 --> 00:48:39,719
kind of score first?

1009
00:48:39,760 --> 00:48:43,079
Speaker 1: Guy, uh do you have anything else on The? Spur

1010
00:48:43,239 --> 00:48:44,679
this run longer THAN i thought it was going To?

1011
00:48:44,800 --> 00:48:46,840
Fortino we don't think necessarily needs to do, much but

1012
00:48:47,000 --> 00:48:49,519
they The wembi of it all that like, you by the,

1013
00:48:49,559 --> 00:48:51,079
way you do need to operate with his zembleence of

1014
00:48:51,199 --> 00:48:54,719
urgency because you kind of just proved. It you everyone

1015
00:48:54,760 --> 00:48:56,400
Thought oklahoma said he was just going to be back.

1016
00:48:56,440 --> 00:48:59,480
Here they're. Not how many times we Thought tamax is

1017
00:48:59,519 --> 00:49:02,280
going to be back? Here so if you have a chance.

1018
00:49:02,400 --> 00:49:05,199
To if it involves Trading, fox then, yeah go ahead

1019
00:49:05,199 --> 00:49:07,280
and do. It So i'm not against Trading, fox it's

1020
00:49:07,400 --> 00:49:09,440
just what you're saying to. ME i feel like it

1021
00:49:09,559 --> 00:49:11,159
could be more likely to see them and take a

1022
00:49:11,239 --> 00:49:14,440
step back next year if they're not have another move lined.

1023
00:49:14,519 --> 00:49:17,800
Speaker 2: Up but, yeah let's, see all, right we'll. See thanks

1024
00:49:17,800 --> 00:49:19,960
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