Speaker 1: You see something's going to happen.
Speaker 2: What what's going to happen?
Speaker 1: I think.
Speaker 2: What a Welcome to Universe Unveiled, the podcast where we
Speaker 2: explore the mysteries that challenge our understanding of history and
Speaker 2: the universe. I'm Sarah and I'm Jacqueline. Today we have
Speaker 2: Nick from the Occult Rejects. I don't know if any
Speaker 2: one of you watch his show, but it's pretty fucking
Speaker 2: awesome and uh, we're gonna talk to him about his
Speaker 2: time in O t O, amongst other things. Hello, Nick,
Speaker 2: what is up?
Speaker 3: What's Thank you both for asking me.
Speaker 2: Glad to have you on today.
Speaker 3: Yes, that's an actually nice to talk to you in
Speaker 3: person instead of just retweeting and comments.
Speaker 2: Right.
Speaker 3: No, when I see you guys a lot on Twitter.
Speaker 3: It's pretty cool.
Speaker 4: Yeah, I figured we should probably meet.
Speaker 2: Huh.
Speaker 5: Yes, it was inevitable.
Speaker 3: Yeah, well, especially with Ricardo in the middle. How did
Speaker 3: that happen?
Speaker 5: Yes, yeah, that's how I found you actually.
Speaker 3: The same here, that's how I found out about you
Speaker 3: two mm hmm.
Speaker 2: Yeah, we like watching Ricardo on a Cult Rejects. So yeah,
Speaker 2: if he's there, we're there, and then it's and then
Speaker 2: quickly become go to at night. Yeah, because you have
Speaker 2: lots of you got lots of stuff going on every week.
Speaker 3: So yeah, well it's also been around for like almost
Speaker 3: five years.
Speaker 5: Oh yeah.
Speaker 3: Yeah. There's like people that are like, like some guy
Speaker 3: on Twitter keeps on like, oh my god, this episode
Speaker 3: was amazing and it's like three years old that he's
Speaker 3: are retweeting. It seem like, I know, going back listening
Speaker 3: to all this stuff, he's I got no idea. You
Speaker 3: guys had so much shit. I was like, yeah, we're
Speaker 3: not new A crazy thing. Is not even to pat
Speaker 3: ourselves on the back. It's just funny. How like some
Speaker 3: of the old topic that we did two or three
Speaker 3: years ago all of a sudden becoming popular now it's like,
Speaker 3: well that was old those Yeah.
Speaker 6: Yeah.
Speaker 3: I wasn't a Checkmark. I wasn't a check mark Twitter
Speaker 3: person that posted this, so it didn't count. You know
Speaker 3: what I'm saying right right?
Speaker 2: Made you?
Speaker 4: What made you want to to make a podcast?
Speaker 2: I mean? Was was it all your idea? And I
Speaker 2: guess you kind of started it? Yeah, I have other people.
Speaker 3: On Originally when I started podcasting, I started out with
Speaker 3: the n Why Patriot Show. It was just like me
Speaker 3: and bringing guests on Well, actually at the beginning, it
Speaker 3: was me talking into like a handheld mic the recorder
Speaker 3: and recording it and then putting it up as an audio.
Speaker 3: I was only doing audio at first. And the reason
Speaker 3: I had even started is because I mean I had
Speaker 3: left the OTO and I guess, you know, just to
Speaker 3: summon up real fast, you know, I had a magical
Speaker 3: experience a few of them. I left the OTO because
Speaker 3: of Oh well, I left the OTO because I was
Speaker 3: already out the door anyway. But that definitely, you know,
Speaker 3: solidified it for me. And because of the times, I guess,
Speaker 3: like I stopped paying attention when I was in the
Speaker 3: OTO and practicing magic. I really wasn't paying attention to
Speaker 3: conspiracies or I was never really into politics, but I
Speaker 3: really wasn't paying attention to much of anything besides practicing magic.
Speaker 3: And I guess the life, you know, right around me,
Speaker 3: in front of me. So when I left and I
Speaker 3: started paying attention, I guess the rest of the world.
Speaker 3: I was like, yo, it's like a cult stuff and
Speaker 3: the symbology is like fucking everywhere, especially in politics, because
Speaker 3: I that was so huge at the time. Yeah, it
Speaker 3: was like, you know, when I left was around the
Speaker 3: time of One of the reasons I even left is
Speaker 3: because they did like a group meeting on the ship
Speaker 3: with George Floyd, so and I just left around that time.
Speaker 3: So it was like COVID George Floyd. The lodge at
Speaker 3: one point was even saying that you couldn't come there
Speaker 3: unless you're vaccinated, and I was like, oh, fuck yourself.
Speaker 3: It was just really weird. The place closed down, and
Speaker 3: I was like, well, fucking Jesus, he's got his doors open.
Speaker 3: I guess he's got more bulls than Horus right now,
Speaker 3: Like what the fuck's going on? You know? So it
Speaker 3: was just, you know, shitty weird. I didn't I didn't
Speaker 3: agree with a lot of stuff. They started pushing far
Speaker 3: left ideology in the Zoom meetings and I was like,
Speaker 3: what the fuck's going on here? So, but you know,
Speaker 3: I started realizing, like the symbolism and what's going on,
Speaker 3: it's like huge right now with the politics and all
Speaker 3: these protests. It's just I saw it and I was like, oh,
Speaker 3: like it's really that obvious in that bed, and like
Speaker 3: nobody sees this shit. So I started like my podcast
Speaker 3: and I started off kind of just explaining, you know,
Speaker 3: leaving the OTO. I even covered like the first three
Speaker 3: initiations and I four or whatever. Then they end up
Speaker 3: like believe it or not, they got taken down somebody
Speaker 3: from the otolt. Somebody from the OTO must have heard
Speaker 3: it and then sent it to somebody, because I ended
Speaker 3: up getting like a DMCA and like, fucked up thing
Speaker 3: is the person who's in charge of that used to
Speaker 3: go to the lodge that I went to, and she
Speaker 3: knew who I was, so like she must have like
Speaker 3: been like, yeah, it's just chick kitty that I used
Speaker 3: to go to the OTO. She's like kind of like
Speaker 3: the lawyer for them in a sense, and she had
Speaker 3: to be the one to do that to me, So
Speaker 3: very very weird. But yeah, they had those taken down
Speaker 3: and then I kind of just like again, like eventually,
Speaker 3: when I kind of got off about talking to my
Speaker 3: initiations and the OTO, I started bringing guests on and
Speaker 3: then somebody had heard me and contacted me. They heard
Speaker 3: me on the Lift of Veil. I was actually on
Speaker 3: Lift the Veil a long time ago, and they heard
Speaker 3: me on there and they contacted me and they're like,
Speaker 3: you know, I was in the Golden Dawn and I
Speaker 3: happened to leave. I don't know, it wasn't like the
Speaker 3: same reasons, but I think, like you or whatever, he
Speaker 3: didn't like the place for his own reasons and left.
Speaker 3: And we started like I had him on the show
Speaker 3: a few times and I was like, Yo, would you
Speaker 3: like want to do a podcast together? I was like,
Speaker 3: because I kind of wanted to do stuff where I
Speaker 3: did like deep dives into things, I said, but it
Speaker 3: was one person. That's fucking a lot to do. And
Speaker 3: he was like, oh, yeah, for sure, for sure. I
Speaker 3: think we ended up probably working together for about a
Speaker 3: year and a half and it was just us two.
Speaker 3: His name was lux. Unfortunately, you know, I really wish
Speaker 3: it wasn't to the point to where it got at,
Speaker 3: because he is probably somebody that I would still use
Speaker 3: here and there. But unfortunately he became like a massive
Speaker 3: pathological liar about like not trying to shit on the guy,
Speaker 3: but he was like, do you ever know like one
Speaker 3: of those people that it's like you can ask them
Speaker 3: what they had for lunch, it's like it has nothing
Speaker 3: to do with anything of importance, and they'll tell you
Speaker 3: like McDonald's, but yet they just had subway, Like one
Speaker 3: of those motherfuckers. It was just like, why did you
Speaker 3: have to lie about that? Do you think? I like
Speaker 3: McDonald's more like what the fuck one of those people
Speaker 3: or like would start. We'd start a conversation about like
Speaker 3: stuff like about his job that he doesn't work at anymore,
Speaker 3: trying to tell me that he's It was just weird, Like, dude,
Speaker 3: you can admit to me you don't work there anymore,
Speaker 3: Like you don't have to send me pictures. Eventually the
Speaker 3: whole thing. I would just find out. The reason I
Speaker 3: even found out much about anything about the dude is
Speaker 3: because my wife at the time, who I was married
Speaker 3: to I'm divorce now, but was married. She was like,
Speaker 3: something's off with this motherfucker. And I was like, ah,
Speaker 3: I'm like whatever. I'm like the guy comes on and
Speaker 3: she was like, she's like, what's his name? And I
Speaker 3: gave her his name because I think one time he
Speaker 3: like somehow he gave me his name and he was
Speaker 3: telling you well, and he even spelt it wrong, probably
Speaker 3: on purpose, but my ex wife ended up finding the name,
Speaker 3: you know, spelt differently, and I was like, oh, yeah,
Speaker 3: that's him because I've seen his face once. That was
Speaker 3: another thing I'm podcasting with the dude who would never
Speaker 3: show his face. So that was getting little weird. Weird, Yeah,
Speaker 3: it's played well when you're lying that much, you don't
Speaker 3: want to show your face on so so eventually I
Speaker 3: was just like, Yo, this motherfucker hasn't even been working
Speaker 3: for the last two fucking years, according to his lincoln,
Speaker 3: and he's told me he's still It was just I
Speaker 3: started finding out all these lies and he started like
Speaker 3: half admitting some of them, and I was just like, Yo,
Speaker 3: this is crazy. I when I'm covering shit like this,
Speaker 3: I don't want somebody who's a liar on my show.
Speaker 3: I actually considered this stuff very important, you know. So
Speaker 3: I just wasn't comfortable with him, and I was like, dude,
Speaker 3: you gotta go. I ain't work with you anymore. And
Speaker 3: at that point I was like, I don't know what
Speaker 3: the fuck to do with this show. I started just
Speaker 3: bringing on guests but trying to cover topics with them
Speaker 3: and bringing on people for certain things, and eventually, I
Speaker 3: guess from doing that, I started becoming, you know, friends
Speaker 3: with all the podcasters or believe it or not, a
Speaker 3: lot of a lot of the people that are on
Speaker 3: the show now were actually fans of the show that
Speaker 3: either started their own stuff or I just brought on.
Speaker 3: Believe it or not, almost all of them are. I
Speaker 3: would say, well, everybody on the show was a fan
Speaker 3: of the show, but some of them started podcasting because
Speaker 3: of the ECUL rejects. Okay, so I brought I just noticed.
Speaker 3: I was like, all right, I'm gonna keep using these people,
Speaker 3: and eventually it's just just kind of caught on where
Speaker 3: I was like, I'm just gonna keep using the same
Speaker 3: people that I get along with and work well together.
Speaker 3: And then it just somehow it turned into about twelve
Speaker 3: people within the year, and that which I which I
Speaker 3: was kind of I was kind of shooting for it
Speaker 3: because I was like, you know, you got the zodiac
Speaker 3: that's twelve, and then I think the way it equals
Speaker 3: out now is like nine men and three girls. So
Speaker 3: I was like, you still get the ninety three from
Speaker 3: the oto with a limx shits like, yeah, I believe
Speaker 3: it like that from now. Plus, like I'll be totally
Speaker 3: honest with you, I'm not gonna mention any names, but
Speaker 3: like during that time, you go through people joining and
Speaker 3: like people you're just like, that's not gonna work. Out anymore. So,
Speaker 3: I mean even kind of had that, Yeah, I had it.
Speaker 3: I kind of had its growing pains. We had some
Speaker 3: growing pains, and people were just going in there all,
Speaker 3: I think, different direction than what I'm trying to do.
Speaker 3: I'm not trying to scare people with the occult. I'm
Speaker 3: trying to you know, uh, yes, educate people, yes, and
Speaker 3: uh some people are just stuck them where everything's satan,
Speaker 3: everything's dicks, and everything's evil, you know, and everything's the
Speaker 3: process church, and I'm tired of hearing that shit. It's
Speaker 3: just fucking silly, you know.
Speaker 6: Yeah.
Speaker 3: Yeah, So it's just like you know, uh, you know,
Speaker 3: I went through some growing pains, but I can say
Speaker 3: now I'm like very happy with the people I'm working with,
Speaker 3: have no anxiety when I hit the record button. You know.
Speaker 3: There was even times that I was just like worried
Speaker 3: about what was going to come out of certain people's
Speaker 3: mouths before I hit the record. But but now, like everything,
Speaker 3: everything's good to go. It's it's rolling pretty well, and
Speaker 3: we're even talking about like covering topics together with groups
Speaker 3: of us instead of just bringing on guests. So yeah,
Speaker 3: it should it should definitely pop off even more hopefully
Speaker 3: in the next year.
Speaker 6: So yeah, just it just goes to show you like
Speaker 6: it's always going to be changing and growing. Right over
Speaker 6: five years, like you kind of find a groove and
Speaker 6: then sometimes directions changed.
Speaker 3: Oh yeah, it's probably about three times now it's gone
Speaker 3: through like kind of like a change. But I mean
Speaker 3: it's always gotten better every time I do it. So yeah,
Speaker 3: it's almost like I hate to say, there's like a
Speaker 3: death and a rebirth. You know, it's like my forced me.
Speaker 3: People get removed, other people come in, or it just
Speaker 3: stays the same, but you know something's got to go
Speaker 3: to change it to get in the direction that it's.
Speaker 5: Going, And I would say grow.
Speaker 6: I would say one of my favorite one of the
Speaker 6: things when I first heard about your podcast that I
Speaker 6: love when I first turned it on, it's like, shit.
Speaker 2: Look at all these people, Like I just.
Speaker 6: Love how there's different people on, all the different perspectives,
Speaker 6: all the different personalities, and just you know, each person
Speaker 6: kind of has their own each their own thing going
Speaker 6: on that they bring to the table. So yeah, that's
Speaker 6: what I love that. I appreciate that.
Speaker 3: So yeah, that's pretty much Jack.
Speaker 2: We have our own U U crew for sure.
Speaker 3: No that's great. I honestly think more people should do that.
Speaker 6: You know, yeah, then it's not like an echo chamber,
Speaker 6: you know what I mean. You're there telling me what
Speaker 6: you think, yes, but other people who are there to
Speaker 6: help you kind of carry along the narrative of the
Speaker 6: story or whatever you're presenting.
Speaker 3: Right at first, I was a little worried about even
Speaker 3: doing like those larger groups because I'm not patting myself
Speaker 3: on the back. And there are people that I know
Speaker 3: on YouTube they may not really be podcasters, they don't
Speaker 3: have audio. They do like YouTube things we all have
Speaker 3: multiple people on, but honestly, a lot of podcasts when
Speaker 3: they do that, it's just like a bunch of dudes
Speaker 3: jerking each other roll saying how everybody else is dumb
Speaker 3: and that they don't fall from their own narrative. It's
Speaker 3: just like there's nothing, there's no substance to these roundtables.
Speaker 3: It's just everybody patting each other on the back saying
Speaker 3: you're fucking great. So I was like, you know what,
Speaker 3: if I pull this off, I actually want to make
Speaker 3: it like education. And I think that was like even
Speaker 3: part of the reasons why I sort of kind of,
Speaker 3: like you said, there are people that I pick because
Speaker 3: they have certain things that I think are valuable and different.
Speaker 6: You know, like and I like, I appreciate watching your show.
Speaker 6: Like sometimes people just flat out disagree.
Speaker 3: Yeah yeah, yeah, yeah people will, and but then that
Speaker 3: dicks about it either for the most.
Speaker 5: Part, Yeah yeah, respectful.
Speaker 3: Yeah. I would even say, like, you know, like Ricardo,
Speaker 3: I bring him home because he's great with the science,
Speaker 3: you know, I bring I bring Lisa on because she's
Speaker 3: really good with the occult and uh, you know, physiology. Ye,
Speaker 3: you know, Jin is really good with you know, his
Speaker 3: Asian stuff, which most of us don't know jack shit about,
Speaker 3: you know what I'm saying. So like everybody does have
Speaker 3: like their own kind of niche and like like even Tyrone,
Speaker 3: it's like, you know, I have I've added him to
Speaker 3: the show recently. I really you know, I met him.
Speaker 3: I thought he was like actually, like he's a real motherfucker,
Speaker 3: you know what I'm saying, Like, I know, I know,
Speaker 3: I know you're not paid or you know, like I
Speaker 3: don't know how to explain it, but I know you're
Speaker 3: well and like yo, I just cheesy as ship. The
Speaker 3: fact that this dude loves pulling sh up and throwing
Speaker 3: it on the screen when we're talking about it. It's like,
Speaker 3: you know, he's even found like his own way to contribute.
Speaker 5: Yeah, yeah, yeah, he's like the man reads.
Speaker 3: Yeah yeah, Well that's another thing too. I'm like, yo,
Speaker 3: people that read, they got a lot of shit up
Speaker 3: in that head, so I want to hear it.
Speaker 6: Yeah, he's the king of a book tab which I
Speaker 6: love that about him.
Speaker 5: Yeah, I love that.
Speaker 2: About him for sure. Tabin Tyrone, Yeah, I Tyrone.
Speaker 3: Thanks. I introduced some other show called Tabin Tyrone.
Speaker 2: So okay, let's talk a little bit about how you
Speaker 2: got into OTO. How how did you get into this situation?
Speaker 2: How do you happened?
Speaker 3: I was well, first off, just to make it real quick,
Speaker 3: when I first got into conspiracies, it probably a little
Speaker 3: bit around twenty ten. I was hugely drawn into uh
Speaker 3: oh god, these David Ike, Michael uh Passio, Jordan Maxwell
Speaker 3: couldn't remember his name, people like that that were very
Speaker 3: much into covering the cult the occult as well. You
Speaker 3: know what I'm saying. It was conspiracy, but a lot
Speaker 3: of focus on the occult. I was interested in that,
Speaker 3: and I kind of like gravitated towards things like that
Speaker 3: and you know, like most people, probably at some point
Speaker 3: you just start like, you know, looking up things and
Speaker 3: going down rabbit holes in your own So I was
Speaker 3: always interested in the occult stuff, and I was like,
Speaker 3: you know, one day though, I was just like, you know,
Speaker 3: I'm chasing all these names, all these orders or these
Speaker 3: styles of magic that started here. Who started this, what
Speaker 3: family started this, who's doing this? And I'm like, I
Speaker 3: still have zero fucking clue what the fuck magic is?
Speaker 4: Head still spinning.
Speaker 3: Yeah, I'm like, what the fuck is magic? I know
Speaker 3: these names in these places, but it's not telling me
Speaker 3: what the fuck magic is or O cultos is. Just
Speaker 3: one day that clicked and I was like, maybe it's
Speaker 3: just see if these places like around. I was like,
Speaker 3: fucking I'll just go join one and see what the
Speaker 3: right Yeah, so well I knew somebody who was a freemason.
Speaker 3: Then I met like at one point, I started even
Speaker 3: buying books. I bought a couple of books on magic,
Speaker 3: and then I started like joining like a couple like
Speaker 3: Facebook groups. I didn't know where to look for this shit,
Speaker 3: so I went on Facebook. You know, that's when kind
Speaker 3: of when people still used Facebook games. I think back
Speaker 3: in twenty ten. So there was like a lot of
Speaker 3: groups that I was in. I met some people that
Speaker 3: were like, you know, Freemasons at Telemites, were into other shit,
Speaker 3: and some of them I became close to. And one
Speaker 3: person was in the Masons, and they were like, listen,
Speaker 3: you joined the Freemasons. You're gonna be waiting fucking forever
Speaker 3: to even get into magic, so like, don't even bother
Speaker 3: if that's what you want to do right away. And
Speaker 3: they suggested, like, you know, the Golden Doorn, the Oto,
Speaker 3: fuck the artists, maybe one or two other things they suggested,
Speaker 3: and nothing was around me except for the Oto, and
Speaker 3: it was like twenty minutes away, and I was like, well,
Speaker 3: I guess I really don't have an option I would
Speaker 3: have preferred. Honestly myself, I was kind of hoping there
Speaker 3: was a Golden Doorn because to me it seemed a
Speaker 3: little bit more educational and that so much like the
Speaker 3: flare that Crowley has, you know, or the Oto had.
Speaker 3: So I was like, uh, I guess I'll deal with
Speaker 3: this because I even like, I'll even say too. I mean,
Speaker 3: I don't know how many of these stories are true,
Speaker 3: but you know, I'm sure Crowley, you know, whatever, I'm
Speaker 3: sure he did some fucked up shit at some point,
Speaker 3: so I don't put him up on a pedestal. So
Speaker 3: I was just like, all right, I'll go to the
Speaker 3: Oto anyway, even though I'm not like, you know, worshiping Crowley.
Speaker 3: But I do believe he was in a cult genius.
Speaker 3: I think he was onto some other Actually, since I've
Speaker 3: left and had magical experiences, I actually think he was
Speaker 3: more of a coult genius now than I did when
Speaker 3: I joined. But uh yeah, So I decided to was
Speaker 3: like fuck it, I'll go look them up. And like,
Speaker 3: these places is like really secret. I think the information
Speaker 3: about occultism a secret, but these places existing, they're not
Speaker 3: hiding it. They have websites, they have like you know,
Speaker 3: they all have social media, and like I found I
Speaker 3: found the place. It was like, oh to Woti Lodge. Okay,
Speaker 3: let me look that up because it was like on
Speaker 3: the OTO fucking website showing you like the map, show
Speaker 3: where places are. And I was like, all right, yeah,
Speaker 3: that's near me. So I looked it up and they
Speaker 3: had a schedule I think on Facebook or somewhere. There
Speaker 3: was like a calendar of events, and I was like,
Speaker 3: all right, they got the Gnostic mask coming up in
Speaker 3: like a week, and I googled it, youither googled it.
Speaker 3: I looked at on YouTube and I was like, oh,
Speaker 3: there's a Gnostic mass on here, so I could watch it.
Speaker 3: So I watched it and I was like, all right,
Speaker 3: it's you know, different, you know, but nothing crazy. I
Speaker 3: think I can handle this. So I, you know, decided
Speaker 3: to go for a Gnostic mass. And I remember like
Speaker 3: even the email, like the email was like making it
Speaker 3: almost weird at first, but when I got there, I
Speaker 3: realized the situation. But at first it was like I
Speaker 3: think they gave me directions to get there, and then
Speaker 3: they're like, you know, there's a park across the street
Speaker 3: with benches on the you know that are out on
Speaker 3: the road, you know, like on the sidewalk. They're like, sitt,
Speaker 3: you know, go over by the benches and wait, we'll
Speaker 3: come out and get you. And I'm like, Yo, what
Speaker 3: the fuck is this? Like what the fuck? So like
Speaker 3: now I'm like, all right, all right, I'm gonna go,
Speaker 3: like you know, what's going on here? And like it's
Speaker 3: in sunny side, So it was like even in an
Speaker 3: area where there was like a lot of traffic and
Speaker 3: even problems parking. It was a busy area. I ended
Speaker 3: up finding a spot luckily that wasn't too far away,
Speaker 3: and like I could see, Like I was like, all right,
Speaker 3: there's people standing outside. It was like probably like ten
Speaker 3: or fifteen people, and like they all looked like they
Speaker 3: were fucking Gotha. They listened to the cure, so it
Speaker 3: was like I already knew it was up to open. Yeah. Yeah,
Speaker 3: So I was like, they're already fit. I guarantee you
Speaker 3: they're waiting there. So I was like, I'm not gonna
Speaker 3: be the only one standing out on the street of
Speaker 3: getting sacrificed. So you know, I guess I get a chance.
Speaker 3: So I walked. I walked over there and then and
Speaker 3: then it you know, I think if one or two
Speaker 3: people might have said hi to me. And then like
Speaker 3: I realized this situation is that the place at there
Speaker 3: in you need a key. You can't just walk into
Speaker 3: the apartment complex. So somebody had to come out to
Speaker 3: actually like open up the door so everybody could get
Speaker 3: in because nobody has a key, they don't live there.
Speaker 3: So I was like, all right, this makes a little
Speaker 3: bit more sense. It's it's okay, it's you know, so
Speaker 3: you know, I went, uh, Now, I didn't realize that
Speaker 3: thinking that, like, I guess you could make a a
Speaker 3: non non nude version of the Gnostic Mass and put
Speaker 3: it on you tube, Like I just didn't think like
Speaker 3: that's what you would have to do so it would
Speaker 3: stay up. So at one point, like titties came out,
Speaker 3: and I was like, Yo, this wasn't in fucking YouTube.
Speaker 3: Yoh no. I was just like, Yo, if this shit
Speaker 3: gets any fucking weird or I'm getting the fuck out
Speaker 3: of here. I was even thinking that. I was like, Yo,
Speaker 3: anything else happens, I'm fucking walking out.
Speaker 1: I was.
Speaker 3: I'm like thinking, I'm like, I'm like looking, it's like
Speaker 3: if people want to see the Gnostic masks, It's like
Speaker 3: people are standing up on each side at this point
Speaker 3: when the tits come out, So I'm just like standing there.
Speaker 3: I'm like almost like everything, just like I'm just like
Speaker 3: looking at everything. And I was like, yo, I'm standing
Speaker 3: here with people, like what the fuck is going on?
Speaker 3: Is this gonna turn into eyes? White shirt? And I'm
Speaker 3: looking around and I'm like I don't want to fuck
Speaker 3: any of these people either, So like I'm definitely out
Speaker 3: of here, Like I wouldn't have anyway, but I'm just
Speaker 3: it was just like, yo, this is very fucking weird.
Speaker 3: I gotta get the fuck out of here if this
Speaker 3: gets fucking weird. And luckily it didn't, but I was
Speaker 3: just like that that did. Like I was just like, whoa, okay,
Speaker 3: all right, so we got fucking titties every time I
Speaker 3: comes to the nastic mass, So I was just like, oh, yeah,
Speaker 3: it could have been dicks. Yeah, that would have been worse
Speaker 3: for me. Yeah, but uh yeah, I guess I mean really,
Speaker 3: I mean, I guess if a pair of boobs like
Speaker 3: should it would really be complaining at that point.
Speaker 2: I guess that.
Speaker 3: But yeah, yeah, yeah, I guess it is for a
Speaker 3: lot of people there for sure. Well yeah, because I
Speaker 3: was just like it has such a horrible connotation that
Speaker 3: an organization already that I was just like, fuck, like
Speaker 3: what's happening next? Like yeah, yeah, I wasn't expecting this,
Speaker 3: So obviously it wasn't bad enough to stop me from going,
Speaker 3: but like I ended up going back again for like
Speaker 3: a class, because that was like another thing. This thing
Speaker 3: would have like classes like how to how to make
Speaker 3: a towisman, how to make a you know, fucking candle
Speaker 3: candle magic.
Speaker 2: Uh.
Speaker 3: Sometimes they would have history classes on older people, you know,
Speaker 3: like older occultists or alchemists or planetary magic classes. So
Speaker 3: they would to Hootie Lodge and I went to It
Speaker 3: was when I was there was very I guess, and poppy,
Speaker 3: with a lot of stuff going on. So there was
Speaker 3: other things besides the gnostic mass that I could do,
Speaker 3: and I ended up doing that, you know, And I
Speaker 3: guess I found value in the place besides a gnostic mass,
Speaker 3: the classes. There was a lot of people there that
Speaker 3: were into a lot of different ideas of magic, so
Speaker 3: I even thought that was of value to just talk
Speaker 3: and learn from other people. So I guess, you know. Again,
Speaker 3: even though that was my first experience and a weirded
Speaker 3: me out, I ended up staying for like another five
Speaker 3: or six years. I will say at one point, yeah,
Speaker 3: I will say at one point it's kind of funny.
Speaker 3: I never did get used to the whole titty thing,
Speaker 3: and that I ended up getting. You know, why you're there.
Speaker 3: When you start like becoming a member or moving up,
Speaker 3: they're gonna expect you to do things or get involved.
Speaker 3: And one of the easier things to do in my opinion,
Speaker 3: was to be in the Gnostic mass and for somebody
Speaker 3: like me or an entry level person, as somebody who
Speaker 3: hasn't been there for years or done certain things, you're
Speaker 3: really only gonna be able to pie child as they
Speaker 3: call it, children or the children, and basically you follow
Speaker 3: the the priestess or the priest. One person will have
Speaker 3: incense and charcoal, the other person will have water and salt,
Speaker 3: you know, and you follow them throughout the thing. But
Speaker 3: at one point, you know, when the tits come out,
Speaker 3: the children are facing everybody else the other way, so
Speaker 3: she's to my back. So I was like, all right,
Speaker 3: I'll just start childing, so now I don't even have
Speaker 3: to stare at this bitch anymore, and I'm getting involved
Speaker 3: and it makes everybody happy. So that was even like
Speaker 3: another way that I was even to like mind fuck
Speaker 3: myself to stay there and stay involved. But you know,
Speaker 3: I had it some of its pros and cons, but eventually,
Speaker 3: you know, at the end, you know the stuff with
Speaker 3: it again. It just I was even kind of like
Speaker 3: not going there anymore. Probably about six months prior to COVID,
Speaker 3: I just really wasn't happy with it. It just seemed
Speaker 3: like I. At this point I started having my own
Speaker 3: magical experiences, and to me, I was just like, nobody
Speaker 3: else there is. Everybody else there is fucking idolizing this
Speaker 3: guy in their fucking slaves, and nobody there that's even
Speaker 3: high up is even telling people what the fuck they
Speaker 3: think really magic is. So I'm like, either they know
Speaker 3: and they're not telling everybody, or they don't know either.
Speaker 3: And I was just like, the images and the way
Speaker 3: people live and the way people act, it's more as
Speaker 3: if they're like celebrating devices instead of the virtues. So
Speaker 3: I was just like, I don't know what the fuck's
Speaker 3: going on. This doesn't this isn't the image of my
Speaker 3: magical experience. Even though I now I do use art
Speaker 3: it does look that bad, almost to an extent, to
Speaker 3: express magical experiences, but it doesn't always have to look
Speaker 3: like that. Just put it that way, and that place
Speaker 3: always did seem to look like that, But to me,
Speaker 3: it was just a certain vibe that just didn't match
Speaker 3: my magical experience. And then I was like, yeah, I
Speaker 3: think I'm just gonna slowly bow out. And then again
Speaker 3: when COVID happened, and all of a sudden, they're like
Speaker 3: we're closing the lodge, and I'm like, well, I wasn't
Speaker 3: gonna go anyway, probably, but like I just thought for
Speaker 3: the reasoning, I was just like, Yo, this is fucking stupid.
Speaker 3: The churches a rope. And then they started doing zoom
Speaker 3: meetings because of that, and I was like, you know what,
Speaker 3: I could probably jump in every once in a while.
Speaker 3: Like again, honestly, COVID hit. There wasn't much going on on.
Speaker 3: I was like, I'll jump into some zooms because they
Speaker 3: were like they were pumping out mad shit on Zoom,
Speaker 3: like meditations, you know, classes, book readings. You were just
Speaker 3: doing a lot of stuff that I guess even help
Speaker 3: help them mentally ill there and not go crazy, because
Speaker 3: there was tons of mentally ill people there for sure. Uh.
Speaker 3: You know, they did that. And then one day they
Speaker 3: did a they did something for the George Floyd thing,
Speaker 3: like they actually sent an email out that they were
Speaker 3: gonna have like I wanted to talk about the whole
Speaker 3: George Floyd situation, and I was like, Yo, what the
Speaker 3: fuck is this. I was like, the OTO is really
Speaker 3: supposed to be much like alcoholics anonymous, to the extent
Speaker 3: that we don't give a flying fuck what the fuck's
Speaker 3: going on in the outside world. We're only supposed to
Speaker 3: talk about what's going on in here and what this
Speaker 3: place is about. So if we're not talking about magic
Speaker 3: or you know, fucking cooking for Crowley, what the fuck
Speaker 3: are we even talking about this one? Like this has
Speaker 3: nothing to do with fucking magic, And once we're gonna
Speaker 3: talk about how it's probably a fucking SI off and
Speaker 3: there's tons of a cult symbolism in it, but I
Speaker 3: wasn't talked about. All of a sudden, it became like
Speaker 3: we have motherfucking white people going around in a circle
Speaker 3: talking about fu black racism that they experienced, so I
Speaker 3: can not even fucking black get the fuck up. Yo,
Speaker 3: we had one black guy in the fucking lodge, which
Speaker 3: I should say something in itself too. Who know, we
Speaker 3: don't want to talk about that during this Kumbaya and
Speaker 3: George Floyd, you know, it was fucking Yeah, it was
Speaker 3: fucking weird, and I'm like, yo, this and then they
Speaker 3: just want to start talking about people want to start protesting,
Speaker 3: you know, we'll set up protests, and I was like, Yo,
Speaker 3: what the fuck is this about? Yeah, And I was like, Yo,
Speaker 3: I'm out of here. This Ship is fucked up. This
Speaker 3: is a fucking seriously left leaning liberal.
Speaker 6: Everything went like that though, right, Everything went like that,
Speaker 6: so you.
Speaker 2: Know, even prior to that flip the switch everything, Yeah,
Speaker 2: it's weird to see it in that context, like in
Speaker 2: that setting.
Speaker 3: It is. It is because like, yo, I'll be straight up,
Speaker 3: even if Alista Crowley was alive today, he'd be like,
Speaker 3: you motherfuckers are retarded.
Speaker 5: Sit down.
Speaker 3: He would seriously say, I don't even want this fucking
Speaker 3: thing anymore. Somebody else take it over. You guys are
Speaker 3: all fucking sick. I guarantee you heat Ship on his
Speaker 3: own fucking organization at this point because they are slaves
Speaker 3: to the fucking gods. It is sad, But it just
Speaker 3: sorted like I should have realized, Like again, I'm not
Speaker 3: a lot of things. I think a lot of what
Speaker 3: the sexual shit going on right now, I just think
Speaker 3: that's it's all you hand somebody an idea that they've
Speaker 3: never heard of it before, they have the chance to
Speaker 3: either take it in or leave it alone. So I
Speaker 3: do think like it's just a mind fucker with a
Speaker 3: lot of that shit. But like even before I left
Speaker 3: the OTO, they started like doing things to like figuring
Speaker 3: out ways to include like non binaries to do certain
Speaker 3: roles in the Gnostic Mass, and I'm like, I'm like,
Speaker 3: do you realize, like everything in the Gnostic Mass is
Speaker 3: an energetic thing that's supposed to be coming together. If
Speaker 3: you turn one of them tonight and non binary, now
Speaker 3: it doesn't fucking work, right, Yeah, And it's like, why
Speaker 3: are we bending to these sick motherfuckers? It just makes
Speaker 3: no sense. And I was just like, well, you know,
Speaker 3: and other people saw that shit coming too, but I
Speaker 3: had no idea it was gonna go that extreme when
Speaker 3: it finally did, and that's when I was like, yo,
Speaker 3: what I'm out of here, Because at first I was
Speaker 3: just like, all, this is a little weird. There's only
Speaker 3: way one or two hears what I really care. But
Speaker 3: when sits, its just sat of getting weirder, and I
Speaker 3: was like, I'm out. You guys are obviously pushing far
Speaker 3: left ideology, you know, And there was like even there
Speaker 3: was like a weird things too, like you know, like again,
Speaker 3: as I said, the longer you're there, they're gonna expect
Speaker 3: you to do more things. I oh, this is this
Speaker 3: is a good reason why I left as well too.
Speaker 3: The second degree. When I took the second degree initiation,
Speaker 3: they read off certain things about other degrees going higher up,
Speaker 3: things that might be needed needed to even take that degree,
Speaker 3: or things that you would yeah, things that you would
Speaker 3: have to have like checked off to even take that degree.
Speaker 3: They mentioned one of them, like the seventh degree. I
Speaker 3: think I could be off by a degree too. Okay,
Speaker 3: so I have anybody listening happens to know, and I
Speaker 3: might be over by a degree too. I'm not talking
Speaker 3: shits wronged up. You know one of those uh As
Speaker 3: you start getting higher up six, seven or eight, it's
Speaker 3: around there you gotta be with like the person you're with,
Speaker 3: like they have to be a member of the so
Speaker 3: like either like the like again, Like I'm like, so
Speaker 3: if I want to stay here, I'm gonna to convince
Speaker 3: my wife to join. Yeah. Like, as soon as she
Speaker 3: saw the nastic mass, she'd be like, get the fuck
Speaker 3: out of here with done shit. She didn't know those titties. Yeah, now,
Speaker 3: she would have dragged me out by my fucking well,
Speaker 3: I have no hair. She would have dragged me out
Speaker 3: by my shirt and be like, Yo, get the fuck
Speaker 3: out of here, bro. Yeah, but uh, you know, I
Speaker 3: I was just like all right, so like that's gonna
Speaker 3: be a hard one. And then like they mentioned another one.
Speaker 3: I think it's the eighth because I had actually spoken
Speaker 3: to somebody, Paul. He's actually funny dude. He's been on
Speaker 3: Tyrone show. He's actually been on my show before too. Uh.
Speaker 3: He would used to be heavily into the OTO and
Speaker 3: even remember I think of the lodge that I used
Speaker 3: to go to, and he kind of confirmed it for me.
Speaker 3: I don't know if it was on the air or
Speaker 3: off the air, but like in the eighth degree, they
Speaker 3: do tell you that if your dude take that degree,
Speaker 3: you're signing everything over to the OTO of yours. Oh wow,
Speaker 3: but now if you stay See this is the thing.
Speaker 3: I don't know if everybody knows, because this was why Paul.
Speaker 3: I had somebody on the show that claimed that they
Speaker 3: used to be a tenth degree OTO member, and Paul
Speaker 3: told me he highly doubts that they stopped that tenth
Speaker 3: degree because when you go to tenth degree, everybody who
Speaker 3: gave up their ship in the eighth degree gets split
Speaker 3: among the tenth degree members, So why would you want
Speaker 3: to give all that up? Yeah? So I was like, yo,
Speaker 3: you so like that's another mind fuck. But like yo,
Speaker 3: as soon as they said signing your shit over. I
Speaker 3: even remember like I looked to my side to my
Speaker 3: boy Jordan because I had taken me and my boy
Speaker 3: Jordan and another girl. It was just weird how the
Speaker 3: three of us actually did all our initiations together, like
Speaker 3: going up and so I remember like Jordan was there
Speaker 3: with me, and I just like kind of like looked
Speaker 3: at him and looked at me, and I was just
Speaker 3: like yo, Like afterwards, I was like, yo, you know,
Speaker 3: that's like this is a cult if we go that far.
Speaker 2: Dude.
Speaker 3: Yeah, I said, that's this is a fucking cult. Bro.
Speaker 3: I was like I can't do this, you know. And
Speaker 3: he ended up.
Speaker 6: Staying and then your worldly possessions.
Speaker 3: Yeah, I was just like a bridge too far. Yeah yeah.
Speaker 3: Oh yeah. So like now one of the things for
Speaker 3: the second degree that you could do, like so you
Speaker 3: don't have to do it, but it was like something
Speaker 3: that was available for people in the second degree is like, uh,
Speaker 3: you know, whatever service was. I thought I had spoken
Speaker 3: to somebody, well I forgot what the name of it was,
Speaker 3: but like basically you get in touch with like the
Speaker 3: outer head guy, like the main guy uh Sabazius. I
Speaker 3: can't remember his fucking name. This guy's the weird names
Speaker 3: you got. One guy calls him Beta something. It's like,
Speaker 3: what the fuck calls himself a beta, like like out
Speaker 3: of Beta, I mean, some weird shit. It's like some
Speaker 3: fucking whatever. So this other do it. So it's like
Speaker 3: I was told, like, oh, yeah, you gotta talk to
Speaker 3: him once a month and you basically just keep him
Speaker 3: up to date about what's going on in the lodge.
Speaker 3: There's some bad you know, how's everybody's feeling, you know,
Speaker 3: it's going well, blah blah blah. I'm like, oh, yeah,
Speaker 3: that sounds easy. And I've talked this is fucking dude
Speaker 3: on the Skype once. Oh yeah, I know. But I
Speaker 3: was just like, I only got to do this twelve
Speaker 3: times a year. I think I could probably pull this off.
Speaker 3: I was like, oh see, I did my service and
Speaker 3: I knew like, uh again, I was on like thelemic
Speaker 3: Facebook groups and I think like I had ask somebody
Speaker 3: or something whatever if they've had the experience doing it,
Speaker 3: and somebody reached out to me from like another lodge,
Speaker 3: and it was a check and we were kind of
Speaker 3: like we we weren't friends, but I guess like social
Speaker 3: media friends a little bit, and uh, yeah, she had
Speaker 3: told me we did it, and I ended up finding
Speaker 3: out it was like every week, and I was like,
Speaker 3: oh Jesus fucking Christ, you know. And then like even
Speaker 3: now again like IM only know who this girl is
Speaker 3: really from asking this question, and I guess, you know,
Speaker 3: we probably had some chit chat about the oto nothing serious.
Speaker 3: But then like they have these things called the notoicon
Speaker 3: and that's like every two years. It's like this big Uh.
Speaker 3: I guess would be something like the cosmic summon in
Speaker 3: a sense, but you know, the OTEO style. And uh,
Speaker 3: I was being told that like, oh, normally they only
Speaker 3: do it with first degree people. Norvals could go there,
Speaker 3: which is like basically you're half a member and you'd
Speaker 3: like half and a half out you kind of you
Speaker 3: can go to you can go to close the meetings,
Speaker 3: but you're not considered a member. Uh, they were allowed
Speaker 3: to go, but like supposedly like first degree people, I
Speaker 3: was beting told like, oh, if you get the shoulder tap,
Speaker 3: this means that the person's probably gonna ask you to
Speaker 3: come back to the room and the probably having an
Speaker 3: energy And I was like, Yo, what the fuck? And
Speaker 3: this girl, this girl asks me, she asks me, no,
Speaker 3: I'm just gonna keep it real. This bitch was probably
Speaker 3: pushing three hundred, no, lie, fucking gigantic, gigantic. This bitch's
Speaker 3: got motherfucker's running trains on her there. Oh god, yo,
Speaker 3: and like and I'm like yeah. And she was a
Speaker 3: degree higher than me at the time, and I had
Speaker 3: even asked. I was like, you have any experience with
Speaker 3: like the Pentagram rituals or the hexagram? Was it might
Speaker 3: have been the Star Ruby that I was asking about,
Speaker 3: because you know, I've been there for a few years
Speaker 3: and I'm actually trying to do shit. And she's like, no,
Speaker 3: I just started working on Libaresh. I'm like, Yo, that's
Speaker 3: a fucking prayer. I'm like, how the fuck are you
Speaker 3: out to third degree with no experience in fucking magic?
Speaker 6: Oh?
Speaker 3: Because your fucking motherfuckers when you go to these things.
Speaker 3: What the fuck? I was just like, Yo, So like
Speaker 3: that in itself, and then me being told that this
Speaker 3: guy wants to talk to you every week. At that point,
Speaker 3: what the fuck are you doing your data mining? There's
Speaker 3: something that fuck going on here. If you want to
Speaker 3: talk to me every week asking me what's going on
Speaker 3: in that place. I'm your fucking snitch, you're looking for something.
Speaker 3: So that was another thing that turned me off. So, like,
Speaker 3: you know, I really didn't obviously I didn't do it,
Speaker 3: but it was just like certain things. I was just like, yo,
Speaker 3: I don't know, I'm not comfortable anymore with this ship,
Speaker 3: you know, slowly even like that's why I even kind
Speaker 3: of started to leave. At one point. I was just like, Yo,
Speaker 3: this doesn't I don't smell right. I'm sure that room
Speaker 3: doesn't either, not afterwards anyway, no fucking man. And I
Speaker 3: was just like, yo, I'm like, yo, is it like dudes,
Speaker 3: I like think they're the man for banging his bitch
Speaker 3: out too, Like what the fuck? Like like who the fuck.
Speaker 2: Whatever?
Speaker 3: Yeah, I don't know. I was just like, yo, I'm
Speaker 3: not I'm like looking, and I'm like, yo, like you
Speaker 3: can even pull that off, like no offense. But it's
Speaker 3: just like you got regular pretty girls, I can't even
Speaker 3: get a guy to talk to them, Like what the
Speaker 3: fuck good for her? I guess no, no, but it
Speaker 3: was just weird. It was just like, yeah, this is
Speaker 3: not for me. This is a little bit much. It's
Speaker 3: a little weird.
Speaker 5: So yeah, we're starting to get a little strange there
Speaker 5: at number three.
Speaker 3: Yeah yeah, yeah, but like again like the giving up ship,
Speaker 3: the whole wife thing or girlfriend would have to be
Speaker 3: in the two. That was for me when I heard
Speaker 3: all that, I already knew my time was limited, I
Speaker 3: tell you the truth. I'm surprised I even did another
Speaker 3: one after that. It was just more like I want,
Speaker 3: you know, badge to wear.
Speaker 2: Yeah, yeah, you don't want to wear that.
Speaker 4: I don't want to wear that badge.
Speaker 1: No.
Speaker 3: And then there was like even things, well you see
Speaker 3: people like I've seen people like they get the Rosicrucian
Speaker 3: or something like version of the like or cross on
Speaker 3: their chest, like it looks like it's either been burned
Speaker 3: in or carved in. And I was and I was
Speaker 3: told that that was something that was done on one
Speaker 3: of the initiations, and I was like, yeah, I've only
Speaker 3: noticed it on women, so I don't know if it
Speaker 3: was done on men. But I was just like, yeah,
Speaker 3: that I'm not doing it out of here, Like I
Speaker 3: knew women that took a certain degree and all of
Speaker 3: a sudden they ended up put that ship on their chest.
Speaker 3: I was like, oh, that seems to happen to women
Speaker 3: that do that degree.
Speaker 2: Yeah, yeah, yeah yeah.
Speaker 3: I was like, what is this at this point? You
Speaker 3: start doing it on the NFI or they're fucking underwear
Speaker 3: like the area Kenethine Airey was.
Speaker 6: Doing that, yeah, Keith, Yeah, I was like yo or
Speaker 6: I was yo.
Speaker 3: When I heard that, I was like, yo, did he
Speaker 3: get that idea from this?
Speaker 5: Maybe maybe.
Speaker 4: Everywhere?
Speaker 3: Yeah?
Speaker 6: What was that chick's name, Alison Mack? Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah,
Speaker 6: that's a weird story.
Speaker 3: Yeah.
Speaker 4: Lets you get Rosa Crucian stuff.
Speaker 2: I mean, and all of this stuff is like that,
Speaker 2: Like its just it can get a little dicey and
Speaker 2: there's like a polarity to it. M Like, I've never
Speaker 2: known any one group of anyone to all be anything,
Speaker 2: you know what I mean. So like I'm not saying
Speaker 2: that all lodges are like that, and I'm sure they're
Speaker 2: not all like that. And it's the same with like Freemasonry,
Speaker 2: like you know, all the Freemasons are out here, they're
Speaker 2: Illuminati and they're all eating babies and whatever the whatever.
Speaker 3: You know, I've even said that on my own show,
Speaker 3: Like I mean, it's even I'll even admit it. People
Speaker 3: on my own show. I even think go a little
Speaker 3: bit too far with always blaming and pointing the finger
Speaker 3: at people, But like, YO like to keep it real.
Speaker 3: I mean even when I say this, whenever, if I
Speaker 3: cover the Freemasons doing something horrible, like that's probably five
Speaker 3: percent of the whole order, is that right? I mean
Speaker 3: I had even mentioned because I think somebody was going
Speaker 3: on talking about like, I don't know how horrible the
Speaker 3: OTO people are, and I was like, dude, most of
Speaker 3: them motherfuckers that were in my lodge were scared of
Speaker 3: their own shadow. They aren't hurting fucking anybody. I can
Speaker 3: tell you that right now, right yeah, Like there were
Speaker 3: pussies straight up. I'm just gonna be honest, most of
Speaker 3: them were. They're not gonna fucking like. They're not doing
Speaker 3: the shit you think they are. It's the people that
Speaker 3: I don't fucking know that run the place that probably are.
Speaker 2: Right.
Speaker 6: So, any organization I always think of, like when they're
Speaker 6: you know, when you're throwing shit at the Masons or
Speaker 6: like a group like this, is that the fact that
Speaker 6: you're there for most people means that you're a follower.
Speaker 2: So you're not doing shit, You're just following shit.
Speaker 3: Like the other thing too. I think it's funny that
Speaker 3: some people, like You'll get uh, a lot of people
Speaker 3: are keeping podcasts that will like cover these things, or
Speaker 3: they somehow seem to think these people are stupid. I
Speaker 3: don't know if it's because like you just want to
Speaker 3: talk shit about somebody, you're just jealous. But it's like,
Speaker 3: how do we say these people are running the world
Speaker 3: and then turn around and call them stupid at the
Speaker 3: same time. I don't understand that. Yeah, you know, like
Speaker 3: I was like trying to even explain to uh, be honest,
Speaker 3: we're trying to explain to my boy Headless on the show.
Speaker 3: You know, just from meeting the people at the Cosmic Summit,
Speaker 3: I said, just keep it real. There's tons of fucking
Speaker 3: Freemasons there, and there's tons of nights Simpler people there,
Speaker 3: and they are going to places that we cover. We've
Speaker 3: never been there. I've never been to the fucking Pyramids.
Speaker 3: These people know more. They're going places, they're doing things,
Speaker 3: they're getting their hands dirty in the shit. We gotta
Speaker 3: stop sitting here saying they're fucking stupid and they don't
Speaker 3: know what they're doing, because if that's the truth, they
Speaker 3: wouldn't be controlling things, would they. We're obviously the uneducated ones, right,
Speaker 3: So we got to stop thinking we know more and
Speaker 3: they're retarded because I hate to say it's not the case.
Speaker 2: Yeah, well, we all go through our little conspiracy theory things,
Speaker 2: and it seems like that always seems to hit first,
Speaker 2: and the fact that most of us do come in
Speaker 2: that door and we can't see that the mainstream conspiracy
Speaker 2: narrative about them is just that, a mainstream narrative and
Speaker 2: everyone's reciting it and it, I mean, it doesn't make
Speaker 2: them stop and think about, hey, I'm being fed some
Speaker 2: propaganda right now of some sort.
Speaker 4: I mean, because it did me.
Speaker 3: Sure, Oh, I think it's between that and I just think, like,
Speaker 3: like even nowadays, it's like I think people's idea of
Speaker 3: magic is like some dude blew another fucking do it
Speaker 3: and a demon showed him, Like this isn't what the
Speaker 3: fuck happens. Grow the fuck up. This ship is actual
Speaker 3: science and you're being mindfucked by sounds and colors. Yeah, yep,
Speaker 3: it's just it's just silly.
Speaker 4: It's like it's basic stuff.
Speaker 2: I mean, when when I first had magical experiences as
Speaker 2: you put them, that was one of the first things
Speaker 2: that I intuitively knew.
Speaker 4: I was like, holy shit, it's all real.
Speaker 3: Yeah, but in a totally different way that nobody would
Speaker 3: ever think. Yes, yes, yes, fridge.
Speaker 4: Here that needs to be made to make this not
Speaker 4: so taboo.
Speaker 3: Yeah, And I think it was one of the first.
Speaker 2: Revelations that I had when I, you know, woke up,
Speaker 2: so to put it, you know, that there's a bridge
Speaker 2: there that needs to be made. It's not it's not
Speaker 2: a bunch of evil baby eating and yeah, it was
Speaker 2: actually conspiracy theories are like.
Speaker 3: I had even mentioned to uh, you know, Riccardo, and
Speaker 3: I don't think Ricardo, I don't think would like guess
Speaker 3: my head up or or agree with me just to
Speaker 3: agree with me. You know. I think he would be honest,
Speaker 3: like Ricardo, you know, he'll tell you what he's thinking.
Speaker 3: And he's in straw and he's a smart man. So uh.
Speaker 3: But like I had said something like I joke around
Speaker 3: and I'm like, yeah, I said it one day when
Speaker 3: I had a bunch of dudes on the show. I
Speaker 3: was like, yo, if your dick looks like an obelisk,
Speaker 3: you've got a fucking problem. Because I don't know anybody's
Speaker 3: dick who looks like an obelisk, and I don't know
Speaker 3: any girl that's gonna want something like that up in them.
Speaker 3: I was like, so maybe, just maybe these things aren't dicks,
Speaker 3: and maybe they're actually like if you were to have
Speaker 3: a take Scott, like, I haven't put my drone up
Speaker 3: over obelisks and you look down at the ground, I
Speaker 3: actually swear that that thing's somehow either conducting power from
Speaker 3: somewhere and all that ship, all the stuff on the
Speaker 3: bottom is actually an electric grade or a power gride.
Speaker 3: I said, But people want to sit here and say
Speaker 3: it's a dick. It's a dick, it's a dick, it's demonic,
Speaker 3: it's a dick. What the fuck?
Speaker 2: Grow up?
Speaker 3: You're going to be the one of the dubbest people
Speaker 3: that are going to turn into a slave because everybody
Speaker 3: else is going to realize what the fuck the truth
Speaker 3: is in another one hundred years. People like that, That's
Speaker 3: what I'm saying, yo. When I literally had people while
Speaker 3: aren't circumcised, I'm like, Yo, even a chick was even
Speaker 3: trying to say that on my show, God bless Her.
Speaker 3: I was like, come on, let's let's let's let's just
Speaker 3: say this isn't a fucking dick. Can we get over it? Now?
Speaker 3: I know, if you don't understand it and it scares
Speaker 3: you or weirds you out, we gotta say it's satan
Speaker 3: or sex. I understand that's how people are, but like,
Speaker 3: we got to get over that because they like it's
Speaker 3: just like how they make it. They make occultism and
Speaker 3: magic sounds so fucking simple and dumb.
Speaker 2: Mm hmmm.
Speaker 3: It's like I just gotta like, what vibrate a demon's
Speaker 3: name and funck someone and shit happens? The funk over
Speaker 3: it already?
Speaker 5: Mm hmm.
Speaker 3: It doesn't work like that.
Speaker 2: No.
Speaker 3: I mean you might be able to maybe pull some
Speaker 3: things slight, I don't know, you know, maybe produce some
Speaker 3: certain energy to help them. But I come on, I
Speaker 3: just I just find they're funny.
Speaker 6: You know.
Speaker 3: I just I just was like, Yo, what's people's idea
Speaker 3: of like, what's really going on in these places? Is
Speaker 3: it's probably the faallest from the truth.
Speaker 2: Yeah, it's all demons, like he posted the other demons.
Speaker 3: Everything's the process to Yeah, it's fucking weird out there, no,
Speaker 3: but you know it's I I do believe is even
Speaker 3: more of a reason why I brought Ricardo onto the show,
Speaker 3: and like even Lisa, is because I actually do believe
Speaker 3: when it comes to occult as in a magic science
Speaker 3: actually huge. I think these people understood science for hundreds
Speaker 3: and hundreds of years. There's people that I've covered on
Speaker 3: the show that I've done solo or I've covered with
Speaker 3: Lisa older occultists, going back, you know, twelve hundred and on.
Speaker 3: But like especially around like the fifteen to seventeen hundreds,
Speaker 3: you had tons of people men and women, covering eyeballs,
Speaker 3: drawing them the brain in occult books. So like why
Speaker 3: is all this shit nervous system? Blood? I mean Robert
Speaker 3: Flood was one of the people that actually came kind
Speaker 3: of came up with blood pressure and being able to
Speaker 3: do that shit. You know, they had breakthroughs with like
Speaker 3: you know, optical shit, and it's just like, you know,
Speaker 3: if they were into this, like like you know, why
Speaker 3: have we stopped looking into this stuff? You know, it's
Speaker 3: just like when I it's just something happened. And you
Speaker 3: know another thing too. It's like, even as I'm covering
Speaker 3: these people, I will see, like my honest opinion, Crowley,
Speaker 3: how do the guy from the temple is set on
Speaker 3: Toby Chappelle, and he had called him a master of synthesis.
Speaker 3: So I don't want to take his you know, take
Speaker 3: his thunder with that line. But I think he nailed
Speaker 3: it with that because he basically robbed all these other dudes,
Speaker 3: and now he may have understood what they were saying.
Speaker 3: I'm not saying he didn't. I think he had his
Speaker 3: own experiences and that's how he understood what a lot
Speaker 3: of these men were saying and women. He took a
Speaker 3: lot of their ideas and kind of like made his own,
Speaker 3: which I'll be totally that's exactly what I do with
Speaker 3: a lot of my art. Some of them might even
Speaker 3: go back to a band that I liked, Iron Maiden
Speaker 3: or def Leppard, or I may take certain old occult
Speaker 3: ideas from another occultists and mix it in with this
Speaker 3: type of artistic look from a certain album. So I mean,
Speaker 3: I'm doing the same shit. But like he basically like
Speaker 3: I forgot where I was going with this, but like
Speaker 3: he basically was, Oh, he was basically taking from the
Speaker 3: same people from the sixteen seventeen hundreds that were looking
Speaker 3: into this shit and like kind of reusing their stuff.
Speaker 3: And the what I'm getting at is the way he
Speaker 3: was able to do that is because nobody knew about
Speaker 3: those motherfuckers. They forgot about Yeah. Yeah, No, like all
Speaker 3: we do is have everybody blaming Croley or John d
Speaker 3: It's like you gotta go back like hundreds of years earlier.
Speaker 6: Yeah, it's like there's been a deliberate sabotage.
Speaker 2: You know.
Speaker 3: Yes, I would say, yeah, I would even so it's
Speaker 3: probably the same shit that was going on one hundred
Speaker 3: years ago when Crowley and Plovotski was around. We could
Speaker 3: rip off all these older people and redo all their
Speaker 3: older shit and rebrand it because nobody knows who the
Speaker 3: fuck they are anymore because they're so stuck on Dixon demons.
Speaker 6: Yeah, and they don't understand like the core base principles
Speaker 6: of anything. And it's all been kind of kai bosh
Speaker 6: with the with mixing it into making it seem stupid,
Speaker 6: you know, and taking away the validity of the science
Speaker 6: underneath everything.
Speaker 2: Yeah, for sure.
Speaker 3: I mean what's funny too, And it's like, yeah, I
Speaker 3: look back now and I think about it because of
Speaker 3: the way the world is now is like this just
Speaker 3: be like tucking shit to get attention like you're like,
Speaker 3: I feel like we see that with politics right now.
Speaker 3: But like even back in the day, Croley blamed Leovotsky
Speaker 3: for being the Jack the Ripper. Yeah, so it's just like, yo,
Speaker 3: was that shit actual legit? Or was that Like Yo,
Speaker 3: let's just fuck around and get some attention and we
Speaker 3: bring up our names, you know, so people repeat it
Speaker 3: because like I've even said too, Kanye West, that guy
Speaker 3: is crazy. He's lost his mind. But the thing is
Speaker 3: he's not stupid. As long as people keep talking about him,
Speaker 3: regardless if it's good or bad, he remains a god
Speaker 3: in millions of people's heads. That's right. He will die
Speaker 3: and people will remember who Kanye West was, regardless if
Speaker 3: he was crazy, good music, whatever, and he will remain
Speaker 3: still being. He'll be in egregorre after he does so
Speaker 3: Elon Musk Immortal. Yes, that's why I say like it's
Speaker 3: an occultist. Like there's been times I'll be honest where
Speaker 3: I've kind of shown my ass just to get my
Speaker 3: name known. Because I've said before, everybody's heads a fucking
Speaker 3: filing cabin, and I want to open it up and
Speaker 3: drop the occult rejects in there. One folder I don't
Speaker 3: care as long as you know why I exist in
Speaker 3: the show exists. Yeah, that's even some of the guests
Speaker 3: I have on.
Speaker 5: I don't even agree basic marketing.
Speaker 3: I don't even agree with some of the occult guests
Speaker 3: I had on recently. I don't like who they aspire to.
Speaker 3: You know, I had people that actually was very close
Speaker 3: to Michael Aquino. I had two guests that are actually
Speaker 3: friends with him, and I did not agree with that.
Speaker 3: I don't like, you know whatever, But I had them
Speaker 3: on because there call. I forgot where I was going
Speaker 3: with that, but I had them on just you know,
Speaker 3: they were occultists. But you know, I fuck, I forgot.
Speaker 3: I lost my trying to throw with that. So that's
Speaker 3: something I was getting too. Then we started kicking right well.
Speaker 2: I mentioned to you the other day that we do
Speaker 2: a segment called Universal Truth. Did you think about a
Speaker 2: universal truth for our lists that were comprising?
Speaker 5: This goes on the Immortal List. So you have to
Speaker 5: be sure about what you say.
Speaker 2: It's got to be good. It's got to be a
Speaker 2: good one.
Speaker 3: See. Mean the thing is, like I was thinking about
Speaker 3: that and like you think, is it's a truth for me?
Speaker 3: I don't know, Like it's supposed to be like a
Speaker 3: truth for everybody, you know what I'm saying.
Speaker 5: Yeah, but it's just for you.
Speaker 6: You kind of like what, like what what universal truth
Speaker 6: would speak to like your core spiritual belief.
Speaker 4: Something like that, the course of your.
Speaker 2: Laugh what what one liner could get you through just
Speaker 2: about any situation?
Speaker 4: What's the most important thing?
Speaker 3: Well, as a magician, I think the most important thing
Speaker 3: is to have an experience with God. And then after
Speaker 3: I tell all the people to have that same experience.
Speaker 3: It sounds like, you know, it's gonna sound real cheesy.
Speaker 3: It's almost like aa again, I'm bringing that back up,
Speaker 3: And I do question if Crawley had a hand in
Speaker 3: that as well.
Speaker 5: Uh probably the structure, right.
Speaker 3: They tell you, you know, you get sober, and then
Speaker 3: you go out and tell all the alcoholics how you
Speaker 3: get sober? You should share the experience, I think is
Speaker 3: very much the same way. I think when a magician
Speaker 3: has their experience when they cross the abyss. This is
Speaker 3: just me. I think this is when the skills for
Speaker 3: the judgment really comes in, because it's like, what am
Speaker 3: I going to do with this gift that God gave me?
Speaker 3: Am I going to go and tell others about it
Speaker 3: and tell people about God, or am I going to
Speaker 3: make money fairy tales and stories out of this? Am
Speaker 3: I gonna mind fuck people? I think unfortunately most people
Speaker 3: choose the latter. But uh, that's my opinion. My opinion.
Speaker 3: I think when you have a magical experience, you know,
Speaker 3: if you're going to do the right thing, you're supposed
Speaker 3: to share that with another person and let them know
Speaker 3: that they can experience it as well.
Speaker 2: I would even say that that's at least part of
Speaker 2: the meaning of life, you know, is to have an
Speaker 2: experience with God or whatever you want to call it,
Speaker 2: and to share that experience with other people and most
Speaker 2: like a litmus test.
Speaker 3: And I it's just from my experience, when you have
Speaker 3: those experiences, you will even like be blessed with knowing
Speaker 3: things you didn't know prior. You know, so like even
Speaker 3: in some ways it's just like, you know, God gave
Speaker 3: you that gift and you decide to be a piece
Speaker 3: of shit with it, Like what the fuck? Man?
Speaker 2: Yeah, that's a lot of people.
Speaker 3: Yeah, that's pretty said. Yeah, it's freaky.
Speaker 2: Well they want to ignore it or explain it away
Speaker 2: or because I mean, it's not an easy path to walk,
Speaker 2: and I mean I fell into it completely oblivious to
Speaker 2: it all, like, and I know it now is like
Speaker 2: a like a spontaneous awakening or something like that. I mean,
Speaker 2: I went to bed one day and I woke up different.
Speaker 2: And so yeah, it's it's a tough path to walk alone.
Speaker 2: And is it's easier to shut the door on it,
Speaker 2: and you know that's the devil Sarah or whatever the
Speaker 2: hell the family said, like, but I mean, you have
Speaker 2: to have to commit to it every day and commit
Speaker 2: to understanding it better every day, and it's something that
Speaker 2: you are mostly going to do alone.
Speaker 4: Because I did the same thing.
Speaker 2: I looked at secret societies was one of the first
Speaker 2: things I did it. I was like, I need other
Speaker 2: people who understand this, and what made sense was like
Speaker 2: Masonic imagery and stuff, and I'm like, I'm seeing this
Speaker 2: in my dreams at night and I have no context
Speaker 2: of what any of this is about, so like it's
Speaker 2: just my own mystery. And that's what's great about right
Speaker 2: now is I can talk to people like you who
Speaker 2: have been through something similar, and like you have people
Speaker 2: on your show who have been through something similar. It's
Speaker 2: that's my own journey that I'm trying to get to
Speaker 2: the bottom of two so like on this show, like
Speaker 2: I'm not really a history person, I'm trying to figure
Speaker 2: something out, you know, I'm trying to figure something out
Speaker 2: real quick. So yeah, I would agree that that's the
Speaker 2: that's the meaning of life is to have these experiences
Speaker 2: and to share it with other people.
Speaker 3: I think be liberating for the human reason. It rilled
Speaker 3: a change.
Speaker 4: That's the word I heard in my head. So yeah,
Speaker 4: I agree.
Speaker 3: I mean even from I don't know, like I don't
Speaker 3: know your guy's opinions on it, but like I know
Speaker 3: you had said, like, you know, like should change drastically.
Speaker 3: Even after I had my magical experiences, I was like,
Speaker 3: I can't even look at UFOs and aliens the same
Speaker 3: way anymore. I don't believe that's really what we're Yeah,
Speaker 3: I was just like, I don't know, there's just a lot.
Speaker 3: I mean, I will even say, you know, this is
Speaker 3: something I say a lot when I've had magical experiences
Speaker 3: and you I open up my eyes and know things.
Speaker 3: It's not even a faith, it's like a knowing. It's
Speaker 3: almost like you even hear what's being thought in your head, reverberating,
Speaker 3: like a bell or some shit, or you see visions
Speaker 3: that's confirming these thoughts. There's a lot of true. There
Speaker 3: was some truths that ever for me that I wasn't
Speaker 3: even mentally really prepared to handle either. So it's like
Speaker 3: that's even kind of like a little you might have
Speaker 3: to be like mentally fit kind of to even deal with.
Speaker 3: Sometimes the God may tell you things you didn't ask
Speaker 3: him to tell you, but he's gonna tell you anyway.
Speaker 3: You know, you might be like a hard pill of swallow.
Speaker 3: You're like, fuck, dude, you just lean some heavy shit
Speaker 3: on me. Man, Like fuck yeah, and you need time
Speaker 3: to really I know, I made a praid. It's just
Speaker 3: told you a million times. I want to have a
Speaker 3: conversation with you, but like, fuck dude, like I wasn't
Speaker 3: not all that right. We're gonna left that out for
Speaker 3: the second one.
Speaker 5: Take something back.
Speaker 3: Yeah, Yeah, He's like, you got what you asked for.
Speaker 2: A boy, you can't unsee it, though, so you have
Speaker 2: to figure out how to integrate it into your being.
Speaker 3: Ye.
Speaker 2: Yeah, And that's the hardest part of it all is
Speaker 2: just having it reshaped constantly, And the more it gets reshaped,
Speaker 2: the less that you can relate to other people around you.
Speaker 2: And that's the oscillating part of it, is that they're
Speaker 2: still talking about six six six is the devil and
Speaker 2: all this shit, and I'm like, why is it on
Speaker 2: my coffeemaker? Then every time I look at it, like
Speaker 2: why are all these like signs and synchronicities jumping out
Speaker 2: at me?
Speaker 3: And I was gonna saw a pimping that number out
Speaker 3: just to like say like fuck it, Like I just
Speaker 3: want to. I want people to like start becoming to
Speaker 3: desensitized to it because I don't believe that it's actually
Speaker 3: anything bad.
Speaker 2: So no, I don't.
Speaker 4: I don't think it is.
Speaker 3: I hate to say me like, oh my god, what's
Speaker 3: he saying? But yeah, I my opinion. You probably may
Speaker 3: have heard it before and I want to get into
Speaker 3: it too much, but I actually think that goes back.
Speaker 3: I mean multiple lighted things, but I think one of
Speaker 3: them is actually referring to the eyeball. So it's like
Speaker 3: to me at that point, I'm like, I don't understand
Speaker 3: how this is evil, Like it's about talking about my
Speaker 3: my pupil dilating, which I could do that depending if
Speaker 3: I'm looking at light or not, Like you know what
Speaker 3: I'm saying, like, it's hard to explain, but I'm just
Speaker 3: I don't I sometimes think that that you need to
Speaker 3: have the beast within you and you need to awaken it.
Speaker 3: I think, to break out of the chains that you're
Speaker 3: in to have a magical experience. So, you know, so
Speaker 3: it's even harder for me to look at that associated
Speaker 3: with the beast as a as a bad thing. You know,
Speaker 3: I think maybe if you unchained, like with no leash whatsoever.
Speaker 3: You know, he's got to have his companion. The whore
Speaker 3: has gotta be there, right, She'll make sure he's a
Speaker 3: little tame and he works on. You know, everything goes okay.
Speaker 3: You know, she got him off, he's okay, he's in
Speaker 3: a good mood. He's relaxed. Now, you know, everything could
Speaker 3: just yeah, yeah, he's got some clarity.
Speaker 2: Now.
Speaker 3: Yeah, it's not just gonna be you know, killing everything
Speaker 3: for no reason. There'll be a reason behind it. But
Speaker 3: you know what I'm saying, it's just I don't necessarily
Speaker 3: see those things as a bad thing. I actually believe
Speaker 3: this is my opinion. Even when you get into you know,
Speaker 3: that part of the Bible where that's bringing up, I
Speaker 3: actually think that's somebody crossing the Abyss and that's their experience.
Speaker 2: M yeah.
Speaker 4: I think that's one interpretation of it.
Speaker 2: And you know, the Church has really solidified how we
Speaker 2: should all feel about everything, and I think that's gonna
Speaker 2: be really hard to overcome.
Speaker 5: Well, let's given another thing.
Speaker 3: When I was talking about these people, like some of
Speaker 3: these people that I was talking about that like we're
Speaker 3: big into uh you know, the body or even like
Speaker 3: huge with like hermeticism. They were in the Catholic Church,
Speaker 3: and the Catholic Church entertained this ship at some point, yes,
Speaker 3: like they entertained Kabbala. They allowed people to start looking
Speaker 3: at Kabala and trying to integrate it into Catholicism because
Speaker 3: they started seeing this ship works and this ship helps
Speaker 3: mm hmm.
Speaker 2: Yeah.
Speaker 3: And then all of a sudden, no, no more. Yeah,
Speaker 3: we'll be talking about this. It should changed. That's why
Speaker 3: I was trying, not that I'm trying to like promote
Speaker 3: the Catholic Church, but at one point they seem to
Speaker 3: be onto something and then all of a sudden, and
Speaker 3: then after that, the Rosicrucians started popping up, which I
Speaker 3: think was kind of a pushback to the censorship of occultism.
Speaker 2: Could be or history could be propaganda, the same as
Speaker 2: news is today. I mean we will never know.
Speaker 6: Yeah that's true in reality, right, Like what you see
Speaker 6: is really what's going.
Speaker 3: On, I tell you the truth. I even I do
Speaker 3: highly suspect even old news, like old stories and old books.
Speaker 3: It's like, how do we know these things real? Well?
Speaker 3: This history is correct because there's like a lot of
Speaker 3: ocultist I'll even throw like Aliceta Crowley and then some
Speaker 3: of his stories it's like, oh, if you look at
Speaker 3: this in that a could lens, it makes more sense.
Speaker 3: And it's just like is this a ciphered message or
Speaker 3: a siphered story? You know? So I even wonder that
Speaker 3: about like other it's just like you, like even me
Speaker 3: and Lisa when we have covered a lot of old occultists,
Speaker 3: it's just like you see almost like certain things repeating,
Speaker 3: and it's just like are these stories or is this real?
Speaker 3: You know, these stories that are being handed to us
Speaker 3: for us to find the information. It's almost like I
Speaker 3: hate to say, it's almost like you staw wondering because
Speaker 3: everything just basically it's like ada three three oh one
Speaker 3: mm yeah, because I mean like certain side, certain orders,
Speaker 3: have their own ciphers and shit, and you start wondering
Speaker 3: if there's like a lot of like what was that
Speaker 3: like Angels and Demons whatever the fuck those movies were
Speaker 3: where it's like basically like at the end, like you
Speaker 3: know you're gonna come to like find in the group
Speaker 3: that's I kind of sent you want to fucking you
Speaker 3: know trail to go find something.
Speaker 5: Yeah.
Speaker 3: Yeah, I mean, look look at what Scott Walter's going
Speaker 3: through right now. You know how they deciphered this ship
Speaker 3: and they found sup poles. They are going to find
Speaker 3: all this stuff. Yeah, I mean you think about it.
Speaker 3: They had to decipher something that came you know what
Speaker 3: I'm saying like that, could you know what I'm saying,
Speaker 3: it's it could be treasure treasure maps in a sense
Speaker 3: out there. Yeah, they talk about the chiefs.
Speaker 6: Yeah, I don't believe that's the thing for me, Like
Speaker 6: you weren't there, And human nature is no different today
Speaker 6: than it was.
Speaker 5: Five hundred years ago, a thousand years ago.
Speaker 6: So all this shit gets written down and it's like okay,
Speaker 6: so someone like we already established like ninety five percent
Speaker 6: of people or causing fuckery, Like someone wrote that shit down.
Speaker 6: So yeah, how do we know you know, what their
Speaker 6: position was, and how do we know what their intention was,
Speaker 6: and how do we know what their their goal was
Speaker 6: or the purpose? Like most people are disingenuous, right, So
Speaker 6: like I don't I just don't trust anything ever, you
Speaker 6: know what.
Speaker 3: UH got it? Like this is gonna I don't want
Speaker 3: this to come out wrong. I would love to get
Speaker 3: Scott Walter on my show. I think the guy's great,
Speaker 3: but you know how like they're going on about that
Speaker 3: whole thing with the arc and the uh you know,
Speaker 3: Mary's bones and Jesus' bones and all this stuff. We
Speaker 3: covered on the Occult Rejects. We call it the Galla Mafia,
Speaker 3: and we tried to show from older texts in the
Speaker 3: past from Freemasons them talking about how they were going
Speaker 3: to eventually kind of like influence the church, and you know,
Speaker 3: it was a long thing that we read off. Teresa
Speaker 3: actually uh covered this topic with me and at one
Speaker 3: point like they were explaining how they were going to
Speaker 3: basically like mind fuck the world, and like I thought
Speaker 3: it was interesting. I was like, how the fuck did
Speaker 3: you pull this off? I was like, this has gotta
Speaker 3: be aliens of UFOs. But they were talking about like
Speaker 3: how they will take the religious ideas and basically destroy
Speaker 3: those and then somehow at the same time take people
Speaker 3: who don't believe in shit and actually get them to.
Speaker 3: And then I was starting to think. I was like, Yo,
Speaker 3: if this shit comes out, it's going to destroy the
Speaker 3: original idea of Catholicism Christianity, but it's still keeping those
Speaker 3: characters and now it's gonna give proof to people who
Speaker 3: didn't believe something to believe in. And I was like, Yo, fuck,
Speaker 3: is this how they're gonna do it again? I'm not
Speaker 3: trying to shit this on this dude to those people,
Speaker 3: the Templars, because I am interested in them and they
Speaker 3: aren't just something with gnosissism in this. But I was
Speaker 3: just like, fuck, this would be a way to do
Speaker 3: it as well. Yeah, and not again. I'm just I
Speaker 3: know they're probably like, well, well, where the fuck did
Speaker 3: this just come from? Something I was thinking about last night?
Speaker 3: And are you talking about like you know, who knows?
Speaker 3: You know, could this even be something that's being prophesized?
Speaker 3: And this is a sound I don't know, I know,
Speaker 3: it's like just a weird idea that just came out
Speaker 3: of my mouth. It was something I was thinking about
Speaker 3: last night and this morning. I don't know why. It
Speaker 3: was an idea that popped into my head, and I
Speaker 3: was kind of like struggling with it because I've had
Speaker 3: people make you know, I've had people make claims already
Speaker 3: saying like I was that bullshit isn't real, and I
Speaker 3: was like, does it have to be real? Just people
Speaker 3: have to believe it? Not knocking those people, but it
Speaker 3: was just like, again, like did that idea put just
Speaker 3: popped into my head last night? And I was like, fuck,
Speaker 3: that would be a way to kind of change major
Speaker 3: religion anetheist and agnostics at the same.
Speaker 4: Time, gather other people to manifest that for you.
Speaker 3: Yeah, I'm sorry, I don't know taken off on that,
Speaker 3: but it was just something I thought about.
Speaker 2: You have to look at it from all angles like that,
Speaker 2: because I mean even when I, you know, came up
Speaker 2: with my own ideas just spontaneously with no input from
Speaker 2: anywhere else, so you know, eventually I had to come
Speaker 2: to like, did this somehow get like beamed into my head?
Speaker 2: You know, just crazy shit, Like was this like beamed
Speaker 2: into my head like Elon musk neurally thing.
Speaker 3: Or was that from the vape?
Speaker 4: Yeah?
Speaker 3: Most of them I chalk up to the vape.
Speaker 2: Because I mean, it feels like it's not my ideas
Speaker 2: and it's things that I don't know about.
Speaker 3: Yeah, see, that's that. I think all has something to
Speaker 3: do with like kind of magic in a sense, because
Speaker 3: like from my experience with magic, I think we just
Speaker 3: eventually tap into like an all knowing consciousness that we
Speaker 3: all can share. So, like, in my opinion, that's exactly
Speaker 3: why I think you'll see different things different different areas
Speaker 3: of the world, slightly using the same art, maybe building
Speaker 3: pyramids a little bit differently. But I do think they
Speaker 3: got the ideas from connecting to a source. It's not
Speaker 3: like a guy fucking across the sea didn't send you.
Speaker 3: I'm sure he didn't send you a burb of the
Speaker 3: letter telling you how to build a fucking pyramid. Yeah,
Speaker 3: but all these people all around the world are having
Speaker 3: the same ideas. It's because they're tapping into the same
Speaker 3: source and getting the same idea. Like you're saying, oh,
Speaker 3: I could have been the first one. That's probably not,
Speaker 3: but it's an idea coming from the either and you
Speaker 3: just happen to agree with that time.
Speaker 2: Mm hmm.
Speaker 4: I think so too. I call it remote radiohead.
Speaker 5: That's good. That's a good one.
Speaker 3: Yeah, flipping through the station, he actually caps cats something
Speaker 3: for a few seconds. You're like, oh, that was interesting.
Speaker 4: Got to move your rabbit ears around.
Speaker 5: Yeah. I think the good ones come when you're not
Speaker 5: paying attention.
Speaker 3: Yes, Yeah.
Speaker 2: Flow state brings it. If you can get into flow state.
Speaker 2: That's where like, if I run out of ideas, I'll
Speaker 2: just go play my game, and if I just get
Speaker 2: lost in it, all of a sudden, I come out
Speaker 2: on the other side with like, I have all these
Speaker 2: ideas and this idea and that idea.
Speaker 3: I'll go for a walk and listen to music. By
Speaker 3: the time we come back, I'll probably be like, I
Speaker 3: should have rout all this shit down. I just had
Speaker 3: ideas about it.
Speaker 2: Yeah, have a big pad of paper while I'm playing
Speaker 2: my game, this big old notebook and I take pictures.
Speaker 5: It gets me into Yeah, gets me there.
Speaker 2: If you can go in that state, you can find
Speaker 2: out just about anything you want to know if you
Speaker 2: think about it. But don't think about it too hard,
Speaker 2: because yeah, right, it's an art. It's an art.
Speaker 6: It's just kind of just like circling the edge right
Speaker 6: as you're passing by. Things are floating into your into
Speaker 6: your thought patterns. That's what I try to do. If
Speaker 6: you focus on any one thing, it kind of it's
Speaker 6: it starts to get too convoluted.
Speaker 2: Yeah. Yeah, let me see what other questions I got.
Speaker 2: I read like a whole the whole page of questions,
Speaker 2: but he's covered most of them about and you did
Speaker 2: just in your in your flow. Here's here's one because
Speaker 2: I was going to ask about other considering other like
Speaker 2: lodges and like freemason. But I mean you said that
Speaker 2: like you didn't really have a choice as far as
Speaker 2: you're you know where you were and what was available
Speaker 2: to you. But what is the difference, like ideologically, what
Speaker 2: is oto?
Speaker 4: What is there?
Speaker 2: What do they believe? What's their thing?
Speaker 3: Uh? Well, they have libra os, which I think you probably,
Speaker 3: I mean, I couldn't rattle a little off. I think
Speaker 3: that's like a good statement of what Etheleamite is. But uh,
Speaker 3: you know, kind of like understanding who you are is
Speaker 3: figuring out what your will is figuring out magic. I mean,
Speaker 3: that's kind of like what it's supposed to be. The
Speaker 3: difference I would say between you know, between the masonry
Speaker 3: and I guess the OTO. When the OTO did start,
Speaker 3: it actually was a uh, it was a kind of
Speaker 3: a thing. It was made by mason's. Actually it was
Speaker 3: kind of like a branch of h If you were
Speaker 3: a Mason and you were high up, you could probably
Speaker 3: join the OTO and not start from the beginning. Like
Speaker 3: it even was like that aligned with the person that
Speaker 3: was the people that were running it. Then eventually they
Speaker 3: came to Noel's there only they say that they read
Speaker 3: his ship and he was talking about that, basically saying, oh,
Speaker 3: you're talking about our secrets. You're putting our secrets out there,
Speaker 3: and he was like, supposed, I don't know the who
Speaker 3: new people are blah blah blah, and they eventually need
Speaker 3: and then they gave him the word and he took
Speaker 3: it over and changed it in whatever blah blah blah. So,
Speaker 3: I mean it was originally aligned with masonry. But like
Speaker 3: I had said before, you walk into the OTO, it's
Speaker 3: magic straight your face. You know, you work into freemasonry
Speaker 3: and is going going to be and titties.
Speaker 6: But the initiation requirements are the same as as Masons Freemasons.
Speaker 3: Right, uh say that again, I'm sorry.
Speaker 6: OTO requirements for initiation The only difference between them and
Speaker 6: Freemasons is that OTO that's women in right.
Speaker 3: Oh, yeah that is true too, Yes, yes they have Yeah,
Speaker 3: the Freemasons will have the Eastern Star. But again it's
Speaker 3: like a separate thing. Yeah, Oto, male, female, be anything,
Speaker 3: join that mm hmm, be a penguin.
Speaker 5: I spent five years in the Eastern Star.
Speaker 3: Oh wow, really was Yeah, it was all right.
Speaker 6: And then I went to nursing school and I just
Speaker 6: didn't have time because I had you know, it's a
Speaker 6: lot of ritual memorization. I just didn't have time to
Speaker 6: commit to it. So I kind of gave it up.
Speaker 3: That's impressive that you're only in if what you said,
Speaker 3: for five years and you're already getting into rituals stuff.
Speaker 3: Oh mas that like still I had.
Speaker 6: I had a chair, so I had a lot of
Speaker 6: ritual Well, I had to memorize a lot of rituals.
Speaker 5: So yeah, So in order to get into.
Speaker 6: The Eastern Star, you have to have a male member
Speaker 6: of your family who is a member who is a Freemason.
Speaker 2: Yeah.
Speaker 6: So yeah, I didn't actually know that the OTO had
Speaker 6: the same initiation requirements.
Speaker 3: Oh follow a team, so you follow as a Freemason
Speaker 3: or something.
Speaker 5: I have freemasons all through my Actually, yeah, no.
Speaker 3: It's interesting because its white people like think you're reptilian
Speaker 3: now because you just admitted.
Speaker 4: That, Like I wouldn't have said that.
Speaker 3: Yeah no, I mean it doesn't FaZe me at all.
Speaker 3: I mean, look, I was in the Oto. I get it.
Speaker 3: You had an interest in you wanted to figure something
Speaker 3: the funk out. Yeah, that was just funny. How like,
Speaker 3: just be keeping it.
Speaker 6: It's a lot less popular in Canada as it is
Speaker 6: like down in the Southern States it's very popular Eastern
Speaker 6: Star and there's really not a.
Speaker 2: Lot of.
Speaker 6: Culture behind it here in Canada as compared to the
Speaker 6: United States. Like looking at it from here to there,
Speaker 6: it's a lot different. Like we do things like like
Speaker 6: Grand Chapter in Canada or in Ontario. It's different than
Speaker 6: how they do things in the States. It's a little
Speaker 6: less a little a little less gumption. Let's just say.
Speaker 5: Down in the States, I know they take it real serious.
Speaker 2: Yeah yeah, I looked into Eastern Star too, and then
Speaker 2: like my husband's I want to say, his grandmother was
Speaker 2: an Eastern Eastern Star and his grandfather was probably a freemason.
Speaker 2: I could have got in, but I was just like,
Speaker 2: I don't want to be an Eastern Star. I want
Speaker 2: to be a free Mason, I know, but I also
Speaker 2: don't want to like crash you guys this party or anything.
Speaker 2: I was like, fuck it, I work alone. I'll figure
Speaker 2: it out.
Speaker 4: It's like I work alone.
Speaker 6: When I go down home, I've gone and like you
Speaker 6: go to the graveyard where the family's all buried, like
Speaker 6: going back to the seventeen hundreds, and all the women
Speaker 6: in the family have the Eastern Star on their grave.
Speaker 2: So it's kind of something.
Speaker 6: It skipped my mother, but and I didn't necessarily know that.
Speaker 6: I just kind of came to it on my own
Speaker 6: doing some reading, and then I found out there was
Speaker 6: a chapter.
Speaker 5: Close by. So yeah, I did five years.
Speaker 3: Yeah, I'm sure it was an experience, right.
Speaker 5: Yeah it was.
Speaker 2: And I went to grand chapter and you get to
Speaker 2: see like everything on the big scale, not just in
Speaker 2: the little room, you know.
Speaker 5: Yeah, it's cool.
Speaker 3: Yeah. I mean I've always even said for me, I mean,
Speaker 3: even my experience in the OTO, I mean it was beneficial.
Speaker 3: Even we realized why I didn't want to be in
Speaker 3: certain aspects. From my experience, it was probably was a
Speaker 3: little bit more enjoyable. You being in the Eastern Star
Speaker 3: of my experience.
Speaker 6: But well, there's a big social factor too, right, Like,
Speaker 6: there's a big social factor that is embedded into it, obviously,
Speaker 6: and it's integrated with the Freemasons.
Speaker 5: Most of the women that I met.
Speaker 6: There their husbands or their brothers, or their you know,
Speaker 6: somebody is a Freemason. So it's pretty integrated into their families.
Speaker 6: And I would say the Ritual and Eastern Star is
Speaker 6: based on the Bible, but it's more of a focus
Speaker 6: on the stories and and so the morals and the
Speaker 6: values that come out of the stories and the figures,
Speaker 6: the female figures in the Bible. It's not necessarily like
Speaker 6: thro out their thumb and Catholicism. It's more, you know,
Speaker 6: it's it's more about the values and the teachings that
Speaker 6: come out of the stories of the people that are
Speaker 6: the women who are featured in the Bible. Few are between.
Speaker 6: But you know, yeah, so I did. I don't regret
Speaker 6: it at all, And for sure I did learn a lot,
Speaker 6: and just practicing ritual is an experience and of itself.
Speaker 6: And yeah, I appreciate I appreciate everything I took away
Speaker 6: from it.
Speaker 5: I got nothing bad to say.
Speaker 6: Yeah, but if it's it's something that if you're going
Speaker 6: to take a position, you really need to focus on
Speaker 6: putting time in to remember the ritual because people take
Speaker 6: that shit seriously. So and then when I went to
Speaker 6: nursing school, I just I just didn't have the time.
Speaker 3: So yeah, I even think I don't know how it
Speaker 3: would be for your or. But like when we use
Speaker 3: like the Exagram ritual, well especially the penthegram ritual. Mm hmm,
Speaker 3: I actually do believe this sounds crazy. I think some
Speaker 3: of these rituals are actually showing you the change with
Speaker 3: inside your eyeball as well.
Speaker 6: Hm.
Speaker 3: Because your eyeball, the pupil pulls open in the full
Speaker 3: cardinal directions. It's like muscles that pull it open, but
Speaker 3: it screws closed. So when the magician like in the
Speaker 3: AA or if I had my black hood on m
Speaker 3: M my opinion, I'm destroying the gods that I keep
Speaker 3: on my pupil open and I'm fucking screwing it clothes,
Speaker 3: I'm going around in a circle. I mean, you'll even
Speaker 3: have some people that will put salt around you, get
Speaker 3: crystals on your on your fucking on your uh or
Speaker 3: aserata in your eye. I know, This sounds crazy, but
Speaker 3: I do think some rituals are actually showing the eyeball
Speaker 3: of the pupil changing because that also all determines on
Speaker 3: how much light you're pulling in true, yeah, how much information.
Speaker 2: Back the light?
Speaker 3: Yeah yeah, yeah, no it does.
Speaker 6: But there's also a light factor, like they're in a
Speaker 6: lot of rituals, so the lights go down or they
Speaker 6: have lights on in certain areas of the room, like
Speaker 6: and that's you know, sometimes that is integrated.
Speaker 3: So even this, like I can throw this in a
Speaker 3: little weird and uh interesting, Crowley has uh lib rash
Speaker 3: or the rush. And if you look at like the
Speaker 3: way the sun is at the certain times he has
Speaker 3: you're supposed to do these things. It actually would make
Speaker 3: your pineal gland like optimal because you're looking at the
Speaker 3: sun and taking in those certain calls at this you know,
Speaker 3: specific times. And then like he even has he has
Speaker 3: the star of Ruby and he uses the Knox formula
Speaker 3: for that. That's his Now. I even think, just to
Speaker 3: preface this in the Maneval ritual, fucking you know whatever,
Speaker 3: I'm going to talk about the ritual. Uh, then the
Speaker 3: Manoval degree, at one point you are given You're always
Speaker 3: given in these degrees, you're given like a word, a gesture,
Speaker 3: and I'm like, the thing in the minerval degree you're
Speaker 3: standing next to like a tent, and to me it
Speaker 3: looks a little bit like the optic nerve. And they
Speaker 3: tell you the god name is on oh En, it
Speaker 3: would be optic nerve in my opinion again, and then
Speaker 3: they pump your thumb twelve times, and your optic nerve
Speaker 3: is one of your twelve cranial nerves, so like I'm
Speaker 3: even thinking, I'm seeing this symbolism in there. And then
Speaker 3: if you have the NOx formula, now the optic nerves
Speaker 3: even cross like this from your eyes to your brain,
Speaker 3: they make an X they cross, So I'm like, all right,
Speaker 3: Knox is probably the optic nerve and the crossing. And
Speaker 3: at one point in there, you start making all these
Speaker 3: gestures and you do these things, and at one point
Speaker 3: you're imitating Isis and you're supposed to be looking like
Speaker 3: you're holding a baby and then squeezing your nipple as
Speaker 3: if like you're feeding it. Well, for women, I don't
Speaker 3: know if you know this. If you were to give
Speaker 3: birth to a child and it started breastfeeding from you,
Speaker 3: that I think it's part of it would be the colostrum.
Speaker 3: All that that thin fluid is going to have a
Speaker 3: conversation with your fucking pineal gland, and the baby's panial
Speaker 3: gland's going to tell you, tell your child where the
Speaker 3: fuck it is, what season it is, what time it is.
Speaker 3: So even in that symbolism right there, the baby pinching
Speaker 3: the fucking nipple or the sucking on the nipple is
Speaker 3: still showing some sort of things going on with the
Speaker 3: pineal glane. I don't think this guy was all about
Speaker 3: Dixon demons. That's what I'm trying to say.
Speaker 5: I'm just trying to say.
Speaker 3: There is actual science in this shit. I my belief. Yeah,
Speaker 3: which is why I try to fuck with people like
Speaker 3: Ricardo and Lisa, because when I have these crazy ideas,
Speaker 3: I could pitch it to them and they'll be like, oh, well,
Speaker 3: I actually see something here that's interesting.
Speaker 5: Mm hmm.
Speaker 2: I do the same thing to Ricardo, like I'll have
Speaker 2: a thought and I'll just need to bounce it off
Speaker 2: someone smarter than me.
Speaker 3: Yeah. So, you know, I do think there's other stuff
Speaker 3: in there with this stuff, you know, I do think
Speaker 3: it does go down there. In my opinion, A lot
Speaker 3: of Renaissance Catholic you know, especially Italy. The art all
Speaker 3: eyeball stuff. My opinion, a lot of those fountains, you
Speaker 3: know you always see like there's warm where it like
Speaker 3: shows these four dudes, it look like they're holding like robes,
Speaker 3: you know how like a lot of times you'll even
Speaker 3: see guys like holding robes and shit like these these
Speaker 3: fucking things. I believe that's probably the eyeball muscle. You
Speaker 3: have four dudes that look like they're all holding it
Speaker 3: but like ire now like destroyed and letting it go,
Speaker 3: and they're on the four calmal directions. And then there's
Speaker 3: like this, you know, uh, that Florida Ley type thing
Speaker 3: coming out, and like that's exactly what the fuck your
Speaker 3: eyeball would be doing if it decided to fucking The
Speaker 3: lens changes moves up when it gets smaller. M you know,
Speaker 3: these guys, the muscles that have been holding it open
Speaker 3: just got fucking spiraled clothes, they lost grip, and now
Speaker 3: the water in your eye is fucking changing. I do
Speaker 3: believe they're actually showing you all that shit in that art.
Speaker 5: Naissance art is like next level.
Speaker 3: There's a lot I can't even show the birth of Venus.
Speaker 3: If you take the picture of the birth of Venus
Speaker 3: and then asides picture of the fucking eyeball, you'll see
Speaker 3: the same fucking thing. Mm hm. I mean I literally
Speaker 3: have that ship. I have like my own version of
Speaker 3: the birth of Venus on my arm. Somebody who said,
Speaker 3: what is that, I said, an artistic depiction of the eyeball?
Speaker 3: They probably like, what the fuck it is to me? Yeah,
Speaker 3: I gotta check there and a seashell and you know,
Speaker 3: all this weird shit going on just like that. But
Speaker 3: it's just like, yay, that's actually my version of the
Speaker 3: inside of your eyeball, just in art mm hmmm. And
Speaker 3: nobody who the fuck would ever picked that up unless
Speaker 3: I told.
Speaker 2: Them mm hmm.
Speaker 4: The as are the window to the soul or whatever
Speaker 4: they say.
Speaker 3: The cliches you think about your eyes and your brain
Speaker 3: all determine your reality mm hmm. I mean they are
Speaker 3: actually the same thing. That's something I didn't ever realize
Speaker 3: until I started covering it. Your eyes, it's part of
Speaker 3: your brain. It's just an extension.
Speaker 6: Well it's just such a it's like the major input
Speaker 6: organ for your for your brain to process like your surroundings.
Speaker 5: Right, Yeah, I.
Speaker 3: Don't think you'll see like the Garden of Eden. I
Speaker 3: think you'll see the baptism. In the eyeballs, you see
Speaker 3: all symbology for all that stuff. You know that you
Speaker 3: have the oris errata or is that I'm probably screwing
Speaker 3: it up. It's the other part. But it looks like
Speaker 3: a seashell inside your rival. And then right under that,
Speaker 3: above that is where you have the it's like blood
Speaker 3: and fluid in the top of your rible. And then
Speaker 3: at the bottom you have the oqueous humor, which is
Speaker 3: only just like water. But in between that you see
Speaker 3: like this thing that looks like a seashell, and then
Speaker 3: the waters. I mean that's the same thing with the baptism.
Speaker 3: You're supposed to hold the seashell up and the water
Speaker 3: pulls out of it. You see things like that on
Speaker 3: the sides of like churches all over Italy, or like
Speaker 3: things on the side you'll see like a force in
Speaker 3: it's coming out of a seashell. It's like same fucking
Speaker 3: thing I'm watching right here in the beginning of the eyeball. Oh,
Speaker 3: I'm watching water go to wine too. If you want
Speaker 3: to look at it like that.
Speaker 2: Hmm. It's all like it's all at a time capsule
Speaker 2: for safety. Like in all these Renaissance paintings and stuff
Speaker 2: like that, like they erased everything else, but all these
Speaker 2: paintings and historical buildings and places like that's where you
Speaker 2: found this stuff.
Speaker 5: I get to kick got of.
Speaker 6: It's like the Renaissance art and the big artists. You
Speaker 6: have to remember that, like we're coming out of a
Speaker 6: really shitty time period where no information was being conveyed
Speaker 6: to people, and then all of a sudden, we have
Speaker 6: all these very very wealthy patrons who are paying these
Speaker 6: artists to to like information, right, so it's extremely significant.
Speaker 6: It's beautiful art to look at, just to take it
Speaker 6: for what it is. Of course, like their skill set
Speaker 6: was just like.
Speaker 2: Out of this world.
Speaker 6: We don't have artists like that anymore, and people don't
Speaker 6: study art in that method anymore.
Speaker 5: I mean, we have some copycats, but we're just like.
Speaker 6: An explosion of incredible, incredible artistry, not just in paint
Speaker 6: but in stone, you know, carving that sort of thing.
Speaker 6: Look at all the cathedrals like Renaissance are I'm a
Speaker 6: big fan, Sarah, you know, yeah.
Speaker 3: I went, I went to it. I actually have It's
Speaker 3: probably like a three part series whenever I do it.
Speaker 3: I actually have like tons and tons of footage from
Speaker 3: Italy Rome. Yeah, yeah, I went to Growth. Well, I
Speaker 3: want to do an actual documentary on it. I've had
Speaker 3: this ship for almost a year and I just I
Speaker 3: went out and filmed tons and tons of stuff and
Speaker 3: I just never got to it. But I really I
Speaker 3: have unto Maya Park that I filmed because that's as
Speaker 3: you know, cult connotations to it. I went to Yale
Speaker 3: and I filmed all the secret societies out there. I
Speaker 3: filled the fucking cemetery, throw it, flew my drone over
Speaker 3: these things. I just haven't covered it yet. I have
Speaker 3: to because the thing is going to take a while.
Speaker 3: So it's like I almost have to like get everybody
Speaker 3: on board and just be like, this is what we're doing.
Speaker 3: But yeah, the stuff with Italy, I've been like really
Speaker 3: like I have to put this shit out because I
Speaker 3: have tons of stuff in Italy and this did to
Speaker 3: art is insane. I think it's a good case for
Speaker 3: me to improve my story more. If I was to
Speaker 3: cover it, I think you should do it. Yeah, I
Speaker 3: just need to get my ass in gear and actually
Speaker 3: get people just stop doing it.
Speaker 4: The longer.
Speaker 3: One thing, I will say, I've least gone through all
Speaker 3: the footage and I have like edited it, I've tweaked
Speaker 3: to color, you know, I made it look like however
Speaker 3: I want it when it's done now, I just need yeah, yeah,
Speaker 3: I know. Yeah, So at least, yes, No, I actually
Speaker 3: did them with the annoying ship first. So I'm like,
Speaker 3: when I do go to cover and I just basically
Speaker 3: got to tell people like you know what and show
Speaker 3: them and just be like all right, whatever, it should
Speaker 3: be a lot easier. But so at least I've done that, Yes,
Speaker 3: but I got to get my ass in gear and actually.
Speaker 6: Stop doing Yeah.
Speaker 2: So how would you define your spiritual ideology?
Speaker 3: Now that's a hard question. I mean I believe in
Speaker 3: God obviously, but.
Speaker 4: You're like me, you don't define it?
Speaker 3: Yeah, I can't. Yeah, I can't. You know, sometimes I
Speaker 3: call myself an ocultist, but I mean that even just
Speaker 3: sounds you know, it has been whatever. Uh Yeah, I
Speaker 3: mean I'm still searching, and she'll still still trying to
Speaker 3: figure out God. And at the same time, I'm trying
Speaker 3: to figure out how my body actually works and what
Speaker 3: happens when magic happens. So I mean I can't even like.
Speaker 5: To call it. I'm in discovery mode.
Speaker 3: Yeah, yeah, you know what too. I think as soon
Speaker 3: as I give myself a label that means I'm not
Speaker 3: entertaining all the.
Speaker 6: Things I'm in exactly what I was going to say.
Speaker 2: When I try to define it, that puts a block up.
Speaker 2: And so if I just stay open, things tend to
Speaker 2: work out better. But it depends on who I'm talking
Speaker 2: to too, m hm. Like for some people I just say, yeah,
Speaker 2: I'm a witch.
Speaker 3: I will say I will say one thing. Uh, Ever,
Speaker 3: since having magical experiences, it may sound crazy now I
Speaker 3: can't say, like if religious text, I guess maybe with Catholicism,
Speaker 3: the Bible and stuff with the you know, I guess Judaism,
Speaker 3: especially the Bible. Though even though I may not claim
Speaker 3: like I'm like a religious person and I'm not, I
Speaker 3: will say that those books are those religions, I do
Speaker 3: see more value in them, or I see more beauty
Speaker 3: in that stuff since I've had my experience. But it's
Speaker 3: still my opinion. It's just being misunderstood. But you know,
Speaker 3: so it hasn't actually taken I've actually I do see
Speaker 3: more value in these things if you look at it
Speaker 3: the right way. So it's not even like I'm saying,
Speaker 3: like my experiences like maybe dislike or hate these things,
Speaker 3: you know. I just think the way that humans are,
Speaker 3: the way it's being handed to us is just not correct.
Speaker 5: Mm hmm. It's being manipulated.
Speaker 2: Someone's actively manipulated it somewhere along the line, and that
Speaker 2: was an organized effort to do that. I just don't
Speaker 2: know who did it, And I mean I just have
Speaker 2: to figure it out for myself the same as we
Speaker 2: all do, and understand that anything can be propaganda, no
Speaker 2: matter how much you trust it, if it's something outside
Speaker 2: of yourself, be very careful.
Speaker 6: Like when you're looking at that stuff though, you just
Speaker 6: have to kind of cut the noise and look into
Speaker 6: it and what's there, what's being said, what's the moral,
Speaker 6: what's the value?
Speaker 5: What should you be taking away?
Speaker 3: Yes, yeah, I mean, like real quick, I could even
Speaker 3: just like say this too, like for people to think
Speaker 3: about and wonder about, like King James, you know, as
Speaker 3: as me and I bring up Lisa a lot because
Speaker 3: me and her always like doing these types of shows together.
Speaker 3: We've covered a lot of occultists in the past, and
Speaker 3: throughout that time we have come across so many of
Speaker 3: them that somehow had some attachment to King James m
Speaker 3: He was also biking the Shakespeare Jacob Bohm's been around
Speaker 3: the there, you know, the other occultists of all shown
Speaker 3: up around the sky. So you have to even wonder,
Speaker 3: like whose hands were even in that Bible, you know,
Speaker 3: making that Bible? And then another thing I'd like to
Speaker 3: head just to scrub people in a different way. Any
Speaker 3: person that has ever told us or handed down some
Speaker 3: more or idea theory about what the fuck's out in
Speaker 3: the sky's they were all alchemists. Every single one of
Speaker 3: them was an occultist. So you have to start wondering,
Speaker 3: like can I take any of this at face value?
Speaker 3: Not saying the truth isn't in there, but you have
Speaker 3: to start wondering how is it being told? Because no
Speaker 3: occultists there's gonna be outright, at least not the ones
Speaker 3: in the past. They're gonna make you work for that ship.
Speaker 2: Or symbolism and right some inside info that you need
Speaker 2: from some damn century, Well you.
Speaker 6: Have to you have to come to it on your own,
Speaker 6: like and have done preparation work to get there, do
Speaker 6: you know what I mean?
Speaker 2: Like you can't just leave people with us to seek
Speaker 2: and see it.
Speaker 5: That's right.
Speaker 6: You can't all willing nilly just be handing information to
Speaker 6: people because.
Speaker 4: There we are back to the eye.
Speaker 2: Yah yeah, yeah every time.
Speaker 3: Yeah, tell you.
Speaker 4: Well, that's about all I got.
Speaker 3: Actually, I actually got another show in twenty three minutes,
Speaker 3: so that's that's one.
Speaker 5: Yeah, you got more work to do.
Speaker 3: Yeah, I actually got somebody coming on and talk about
Speaker 3: the Delphie murders. I'm just basically just that cool. Yeah, yeah, yeah,
Speaker 3: I got somebody covering the topic.
Speaker 2: So that's yeah.
Speaker 3: I don't mind doing two shows back to back.
Speaker 5: So that's my other secret obsession, true crime.
Speaker 6: I'm listening. I'm listening to a new new deep dive
Speaker 6: on the Stephen Avery murder.
Speaker 3: Now, oh wow, okay, yeah nice. You ever come across
Speaker 3: some decent true crime slops in my way?
Speaker 2: I will, I will.
Speaker 6: I do come across quite a bit of it. Actually,
Speaker 6: that's how I relax.
Speaker 3: Did you get into the go go beach stuff at all?
Speaker 3: What's that? The go go beach stuff? Did you get
Speaker 3: into that at all?
Speaker 5: I did?
Speaker 6: I did not long ago watch something, and I do
Speaker 6: have a couple of podcasts that i've gone and got
Speaker 6: on my to watch list. I kind of you know,
Speaker 6: when you get onto a specific story even though you've
Speaker 6: already heard it like ten times, and then like you
Speaker 6: go really deep before you can leave it alone. I'm
Speaker 6: right there right now with this.
Speaker 3: Extremely Yeah, something's right now.
Speaker 5: That's up where you were from, right, isn't it?
Speaker 3: Before I left, Before I moved, they busted the guy
Speaker 3: and I went. I was down there. I was down
Speaker 3: there with my fucking drone on my fucking video camera.
Speaker 3: I filmed the Yeah, I was like fuck that. Yeah.
Speaker 3: As soon as I heard that ship, I'm like, oh,
Speaker 3: this dude only lose twenty minutes away from me. I'm
Speaker 3: going to that's the fucking cops, the news, every it
Speaker 3: was insane. Sure, yeah, yeah, but that ship makes no sense. Man,
Speaker 3: There's definitely some magic going on with that motherfucker.
Speaker 2: There's something, you know.
Speaker 3: It was like really weird, like we started being lista
Speaker 3: start a plane with like numbers in Jamatria. Even some
Speaker 3: of the stories the people in like the towns start
Speaker 3: popping up and Alistair Crowley's uh Book of Lies Yo,
Speaker 3: and like all of a sudden, like even the Jamatria
Speaker 3: and a lot of things that are showing up for
Speaker 3: people's names or dates. So these people that cold start
Speaker 3: like matching things in that book. When you it was
Speaker 3: fucking weird. It was to the point to where me
Speaker 3: and lest where like we don't even know, like this
Speaker 3: could all just be like literally some fucking wild coincidence,
Speaker 3: because like when we're looking at it, it's like I
Speaker 3: still can't even tell you what the fuck's going on.
Speaker 3: It's just fucking.
Speaker 4: Plain out weird.
Speaker 3: Like you know, I could sit here and that we
Speaker 3: spent probably two hours like showing all these connections with
Speaker 3: the numbers, and at the end, I'm like I can't,
Speaker 3: like yeah, and I can't even tell you, like I
Speaker 3: can't give you a conclusion to this myself. But it's
Speaker 3: fucking bizarre. It's just really.
Speaker 2: Imping about episode that did the other day.
Speaker 3: No, no, no, this this we did probably almost two
Speaker 3: years ago now, yeah, yeah, yeah, when Gilgo Beach first
Speaker 3: popped off, me, me and Lisa got like heavy into
Speaker 3: looking at it. We even had Jonathan Ray on the
Speaker 3: podcast John Ray, I, well, I'm thinking, like you guys
Speaker 3: are from Long Island and know the area. He's like,
Speaker 3: he's like the lawyer that's like Alwa's popping up on
Speaker 3: the news every once in a while, fucking stir and
Speaker 3: ship about the fucking case. Yeah, and he dresses all
Speaker 3: like fucking wild and he's got his big b on
Speaker 3: his fucking yeah yeah.
Speaker 5: I saw him on one of the documentaries I watched.
Speaker 2: Yeah yeah, yeah, yeah yeah yeah.
Speaker 3: So but yeah, definitely check yeah that ship. If you're
Speaker 3: into the occult, I definitely think of some cult.
Speaker 5: Stuff, look into it.
Speaker 3: And when I come across some yeah, please please yeah.
Speaker 5: Yeah, some guys have to do.
Speaker 2: You guys have to do another Jamatria episode with that
Speaker 2: one guy from the other day, because y'all did the
Speaker 2: Ozzy Osbourne.
Speaker 4: Yeah yeah that was fun, Hulkan dad. So now y'all
Speaker 4: gotta put Hulk Hogan through the.
Speaker 2: Yo.
Speaker 3: That is that was something Uh I had to give
Speaker 3: credit like, well, my Marie, I saw her make like
Speaker 3: a post on like the eighty eights, because I always,
Speaker 3: like you, was saying like, that's definitely popping up a
Speaker 3: lot now, especially with Trump. You have eighty eight and
Speaker 3: he got twenty two in there, and uh, she made
Speaker 3: like a post about eighty eight and like somehow, I
Speaker 3: don't know, maybe start going through like Jamatria and like
Speaker 3: Trump equals eighty eight, Coldplay equals eighty eight, Epstein equals
Speaker 3: eighty eight, and whole Colgan would be h which would
Speaker 3: be the eighth letter of the alphabet, and hul Colgan
Speaker 3: eighty eight. Yeah, And so like I ded all all
Speaker 3: those in there, and I was like, Yo, what the
Speaker 3: fuck's up with the eighty eights?
Speaker 5: What's up with that?
Speaker 3: That's all like coldplays huge now because of that bullshit,
Speaker 3: Trump's huge, Epstein's being talked about again, and now Holp
Speaker 3: dies eighty eight. What the fuck? Yeah, weird shit.
Speaker 2: Sarah has eight letters and Unveiled has eight letters.
Speaker 3: Go well, even even thinking of the octaves going eight yeah, yeah,
Speaker 3: the Magician, he's got the the the eight or the
Speaker 3: infinity symbol above his head tooth is my opinion. He's
Speaker 3: like the Magician and that's on the eighth sphere on
Speaker 3: the tree of life.
Speaker 4: And we got the Linskate portal coming up to eight eight.
Speaker 3: I'm actually recording a part two of Michamala series. On
Speaker 3: that day, I was like, it can't end on that day.
Speaker 3: Me and Jane Gott at least make Part two happen. Rebirth,
Speaker 3: But thank you very much for having me on. That
Speaker 3: was a blast. I really look forward to get both
Speaker 3: of yous on for sure.
Speaker 6: Yeah, that's gonna be fun. We're looking forward to it.
Speaker 6: Where can everyone find you, nick?
Speaker 3: Uh the Occult Rejects podcast that's on Bitch Rumble YouTube,
Speaker 3: all major podcasts, and uh, we do have a cult
Speaker 3: research institute dot org. I can check that out. We
Speaker 3: got a bunch of people that are really the part
Speaker 3: of the Occult reject or just friends of the show
Speaker 3: that have added. Uh, if you're big into it's a
Speaker 3: lot more of reading. But there is a lot of
Speaker 3: stuff on there.
Speaker 5: Yeah, for sure, I am into reading.
Speaker 3: Yeah, oh definitely check that out there, especially like I
Speaker 3: like a lot of the old occultists that we have covered,
Speaker 3: or grimoires and books, those those are all up there.
Speaker 3: Those are actually suggest to check out.
Speaker 5: Yeah, yeah, that's good for sure.
Speaker 3: And you know what's interesting when you go and look
Speaker 3: at those things, believe it or not. I mean except
Speaker 3: the Grim Wars, but like some of them, I think
Speaker 3: people be surprised none of it is actually rituals. Yeah,
Speaker 3: we were like realize that that's probably another thing. Both
Speaker 3: of you can even co sign for me out of
Speaker 3: all of these like old magical texts, A lot of
Speaker 3: these things that we read as magicians or whatever trying
Speaker 3: to figure out God and whatever reality. Most of them
Speaker 3: don't have one fucking ritual.
Speaker 6: In it, No, because you wouldn't write it down.
Speaker 3: Not even that. But some of it, it's like, do
Speaker 3: you need a ritual to theorize? Like you know what
Speaker 3: I'm getting at? Like some of it it's not. I
Speaker 3: think people just get confused again, you know they do.
Speaker 3: That's like, out of all the things I've read about
Speaker 3: the Cabala, uh, none of these things in that book.
Speaker 2: Yeah mm hmm.
Speaker 3: Those all ideas of what the spheres are about and
Speaker 3: what the pants are about. You know, you could implicate
Speaker 3: that into your rituals, but I think you know what
Speaker 3: I'm trying to get at. Yeah, So yeah, I highly
Speaker 3: suggest to like check out those old, the oldest stuff
Speaker 3: that we have on there, and we do have. Again,
Speaker 3: some of the rejects on there are a lot more
Speaker 3: active than me and Lisa and reason I'm bringing her up.
Speaker 3: As we started we started the website, you know, we
Speaker 3: both kind of slacked, but there are some rejects on
Speaker 3: there that are still continuing to put more stuff on there,
Speaker 3: but there is actually tons of information on that website.
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Speaker 5: And that's it. We're so happy that you came on.
Speaker 3: I was glad to actually actually talk to you instead
Speaker 3: of like texting on Twitter. Sure, it made you real.
Speaker 3: Now you exist, We're real.
Speaker 5: We're real girls.
Speaker 2: Yeah.
Speaker 5: Yeah, So we really appreciate it. And it's been a
Speaker 5: good chat.
Speaker 3: No, hell yeah, definitely, definitely really I really had a
Speaker 3: good time. I definitely looked forward to talking.
Speaker 5: Yeah, we're going to return the favor and visit you.
Speaker 3: Yeah.
Speaker 5: All right, y'all. Thank you for all our subscribers, all
Speaker 5: the watchers.
Speaker 3: We appreciate it.
Speaker 6: Great.
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