WEBVTT 1 00:00:02.200 --> 00:00:04.839 You see something's going to happen. 2 00:00:06.320 --> 00:00:10.599 What what's going to happen? 3 00:00:12.359 --> 00:00:12.960 I think. 4 00:00:15.480 --> 00:00:26.440 What a Welcome to Universe Unveiled, the podcast where we 5 00:00:26.480 --> 00:00:29.559 explore the mysteries that challenge our understanding of history and 6 00:00:29.679 --> 00:00:35.880 the universe. I'm Sarah and I'm Jacqueline. Today we have 7 00:00:37.479 --> 00:00:40.799 Nick from the Occult Rejects. I don't know if any 8 00:00:40.799 --> 00:00:43.359 one of you watch his show, but it's pretty fucking 9 00:00:43.439 --> 00:00:46.759 awesome and uh, we're gonna talk to him about his 10 00:00:46.880 --> 00:00:51.159 time in O t O, amongst other things. Hello, Nick, 11 00:00:51.600 --> 00:00:52.119 what is up? 12 00:00:52.920 --> 00:00:54.560 What's Thank you both for asking me. 13 00:00:56.960 --> 00:00:58.200 Glad to have you on today. 14 00:00:59.119 --> 00:01:01.359 Yes, that's an actually nice to talk to you in 15 00:01:01.399 --> 00:01:03.640 person instead of just retweeting and comments. 16 00:01:05.560 --> 00:01:05.760 Right. 17 00:01:06.000 --> 00:01:07.599 No, when I see you guys a lot on Twitter. 18 00:01:07.599 --> 00:01:08.239 It's pretty cool. 19 00:01:09.920 --> 00:01:11.640 Yeah, I figured we should probably meet. 20 00:01:11.799 --> 00:01:11.959 Huh. 21 00:01:12.359 --> 00:01:14.120 Yes, it was inevitable. 22 00:01:14.200 --> 00:01:17.079 Yeah, well, especially with Ricardo in the middle. How did 23 00:01:17.120 --> 00:01:17.680 that happen? 24 00:01:17.840 --> 00:01:20.719 Yes, yeah, that's how I found you actually. 25 00:01:20.439 --> 00:01:22.159 The same here, that's how I found out about you 26 00:01:22.200 --> 00:01:23.000 two mm hmm. 27 00:01:24.760 --> 00:01:28.519 Yeah, we like watching Ricardo on a Cult Rejects. So yeah, 28 00:01:28.599 --> 00:01:31.359 if he's there, we're there, and then it's and then 29 00:01:31.560 --> 00:01:35.000 quickly become go to at night. Yeah, because you have 30 00:01:35.079 --> 00:01:37.200 lots of you got lots of stuff going on every week. 31 00:01:37.359 --> 00:01:39.719 So yeah, well it's also been around for like almost 32 00:01:39.760 --> 00:01:40.319 five years. 33 00:01:40.799 --> 00:01:41.560 Oh yeah. 34 00:01:41.680 --> 00:01:44.319 Yeah. There's like people that are like, like some guy 35 00:01:44.319 --> 00:01:46.599 on Twitter keeps on like, oh my god, this episode 36 00:01:46.680 --> 00:01:48.239 was amazing and it's like three years old that he's 37 00:01:48.239 --> 00:01:51.280 are retweeting. It seem like, I know, going back listening 38 00:01:51.280 --> 00:01:52.640 to all this stuff, he's I got no idea. You 39 00:01:52.640 --> 00:01:54.959 guys had so much shit. I was like, yeah, we're 40 00:01:55.000 --> 00:01:57.599 not new A crazy thing. Is not even to pat 41 00:01:57.599 --> 00:01:59.200 ourselves on the back. It's just funny. How like some 42 00:01:59.239 --> 00:02:00.719 of the old topic that we did two or three 43 00:02:00.760 --> 00:02:02.760 years ago all of a sudden becoming popular now it's like, 44 00:02:02.840 --> 00:02:05.200 well that was old those Yeah. 45 00:02:06.719 --> 00:02:06.920 Yeah. 46 00:02:07.079 --> 00:02:09.960 I wasn't a Checkmark. I wasn't a check mark Twitter 47 00:02:09.960 --> 00:02:11.960 person that posted this, so it didn't count. You know 48 00:02:12.000 --> 00:02:14.879 what I'm saying right right? 49 00:02:16.840 --> 00:02:17.319 Made you? 50 00:02:18.159 --> 00:02:21.199 What made you want to to make a podcast? 51 00:02:21.319 --> 00:02:24.199 I mean? Was was it all your idea? And I 52 00:02:24.240 --> 00:02:27.879 guess you kind of started it? Yeah, I have other people. 53 00:02:27.560 --> 00:02:31.879 On Originally when I started podcasting, I started out with 54 00:02:31.960 --> 00:02:34.039 the n Why Patriot Show. It was just like me 55 00:02:34.159 --> 00:02:37.360 and bringing guests on Well, actually at the beginning, it 56 00:02:37.400 --> 00:02:41.919 was me talking into like a handheld mic the recorder 57 00:02:42.120 --> 00:02:44.680 and recording it and then putting it up as an audio. 58 00:02:45.319 --> 00:02:47.879 I was only doing audio at first. And the reason 59 00:02:47.919 --> 00:02:50.439 I had even started is because I mean I had 60 00:02:50.520 --> 00:02:55.319 left the OTO and I guess, you know, just to 61 00:02:55.360 --> 00:02:57.479 summon up real fast, you know, I had a magical 62 00:02:57.520 --> 00:02:59.879 experience a few of them. I left the OTO because 63 00:02:59.879 --> 00:03:01.639 of Oh well, I left the OTO because I was 64 00:03:01.639 --> 00:03:04.599 already out the door anyway. But that definitely, you know, 65 00:03:04.719 --> 00:03:08.479 solidified it for me. And because of the times, I guess, 66 00:03:08.520 --> 00:03:11.680 like I stopped paying attention when I was in the 67 00:03:11.680 --> 00:03:14.159 OTO and practicing magic. I really wasn't paying attention to 68 00:03:14.199 --> 00:03:17.159 conspiracies or I was never really into politics, but I 69 00:03:17.199 --> 00:03:21.240 really wasn't paying attention to much of anything besides practicing magic. 70 00:03:21.280 --> 00:03:23.400 And I guess the life, you know, right around me, 71 00:03:23.400 --> 00:03:27.240 in front of me. So when I left and I 72 00:03:27.280 --> 00:03:29.120 started paying attention, I guess the rest of the world. 73 00:03:29.199 --> 00:03:31.520 I was like, yo, it's like a cult stuff and 74 00:03:31.560 --> 00:03:35.280 the symbology is like fucking everywhere, especially in politics, because 75 00:03:35.319 --> 00:03:38.719 I that was so huge at the time. Yeah, it 76 00:03:38.759 --> 00:03:42.159 was like, you know, when I left was around the 77 00:03:42.199 --> 00:03:45.680 time of One of the reasons I even left is 78 00:03:45.719 --> 00:03:48.039 because they did like a group meeting on the ship 79 00:03:48.159 --> 00:03:52.360 with George Floyd, so and I just left around that time. 80 00:03:52.400 --> 00:03:55.240 So it was like COVID George Floyd. The lodge at 81 00:03:55.240 --> 00:03:56.960 one point was even saying that you couldn't come there 82 00:03:57.000 --> 00:03:59.199 unless you're vaccinated, and I was like, oh, fuck yourself. 83 00:03:59.520 --> 00:04:02.479 It was just really weird. The place closed down, and 84 00:04:02.520 --> 00:04:05.520 I was like, well, fucking Jesus, he's got his doors open. 85 00:04:06.240 --> 00:04:08.199 I guess he's got more bulls than Horus right now, 86 00:04:08.240 --> 00:04:10.599 Like what the fuck's going on? You know? So it 87 00:04:10.680 --> 00:04:12.400 was just, you know, shitty weird. I didn't I didn't 88 00:04:12.400 --> 00:04:14.159 agree with a lot of stuff. They started pushing far 89 00:04:14.280 --> 00:04:16.120 left ideology in the Zoom meetings and I was like, 90 00:04:16.120 --> 00:04:18.480 what the fuck's going on here? So, but you know, 91 00:04:18.560 --> 00:04:21.879 I started realizing, like the symbolism and what's going on, 92 00:04:21.959 --> 00:04:24.079 it's like huge right now with the politics and all 93 00:04:24.120 --> 00:04:27.279 these protests. It's just I saw it and I was like, oh, 94 00:04:27.360 --> 00:04:29.560 like it's really that obvious in that bed, and like 95 00:04:29.560 --> 00:04:32.959 nobody sees this shit. So I started like my podcast 96 00:04:33.079 --> 00:04:36.000 and I started off kind of just explaining, you know, 97 00:04:36.199 --> 00:04:40.079 leaving the OTO. I even covered like the first three 98 00:04:40.160 --> 00:04:42.759 initiations and I four or whatever. Then they end up 99 00:04:42.839 --> 00:04:45.639 like believe it or not, they got taken down somebody 100 00:04:45.639 --> 00:04:48.639 from the otolt. Somebody from the OTO must have heard 101 00:04:48.680 --> 00:04:51.000 it and then sent it to somebody, because I ended 102 00:04:51.040 --> 00:04:54.800 up getting like a DMCA and like, fucked up thing 103 00:04:54.879 --> 00:04:56.360 is the person who's in charge of that used to 104 00:04:56.399 --> 00:04:57.800 go to the lodge that I went to, and she 105 00:04:57.879 --> 00:05:00.240 knew who I was, so like she must have like 106 00:05:00.319 --> 00:05:03.680 been like, yeah, it's just chick kitty that I used 107 00:05:03.680 --> 00:05:05.439 to go to the OTO. She's like kind of like 108 00:05:05.480 --> 00:05:09.199 the lawyer for them in a sense, and she had 109 00:05:09.240 --> 00:05:11.079 to be the one to do that to me, So 110 00:05:11.680 --> 00:05:14.519 very very weird. But yeah, they had those taken down 111 00:05:14.560 --> 00:05:18.079 and then I kind of just like again, like eventually, 112 00:05:18.079 --> 00:05:19.560 when I kind of got off about talking to my 113 00:05:19.639 --> 00:05:23.199 initiations and the OTO, I started bringing guests on and 114 00:05:23.240 --> 00:05:26.600 then somebody had heard me and contacted me. They heard 115 00:05:26.680 --> 00:05:28.480 me on the Lift of Veil. I was actually on 116 00:05:28.560 --> 00:05:31.480 Lift the Veil a long time ago, and they heard 117 00:05:31.480 --> 00:05:33.879 me on there and they contacted me and they're like, 118 00:05:33.920 --> 00:05:35.360 you know, I was in the Golden Dawn and I 119 00:05:35.399 --> 00:05:37.560 happened to leave. I don't know, it wasn't like the 120 00:05:37.639 --> 00:05:40.439 same reasons, but I think, like you or whatever, he 121 00:05:40.439 --> 00:05:42.759 didn't like the place for his own reasons and left. 122 00:05:43.040 --> 00:05:45.800 And we started like I had him on the show 123 00:05:45.800 --> 00:05:47.639 a few times and I was like, Yo, would you 124 00:05:47.639 --> 00:05:49.199 like want to do a podcast together? I was like, 125 00:05:49.240 --> 00:05:51.120 because I kind of wanted to do stuff where I 126 00:05:51.160 --> 00:05:53.279 did like deep dives into things, I said, but it 127 00:05:53.319 --> 00:05:57.879 was one person. That's fucking a lot to do. And 128 00:05:57.920 --> 00:05:59.560 he was like, oh, yeah, for sure, for sure. I 129 00:05:59.639 --> 00:06:02.360 think we ended up probably working together for about a 130 00:06:02.439 --> 00:06:06.000 year and a half and it was just us two. 131 00:06:06.519 --> 00:06:11.360 His name was lux. Unfortunately, you know, I really wish 132 00:06:11.480 --> 00:06:13.040 it wasn't to the point to where it got at, 133 00:06:13.040 --> 00:06:16.160 because he is probably somebody that I would still use 134 00:06:16.240 --> 00:06:19.040 here and there. But unfortunately he became like a massive 135 00:06:19.199 --> 00:06:22.759 pathological liar about like not trying to shit on the guy, 136 00:06:23.240 --> 00:06:24.560 but he was like, do you ever know like one 137 00:06:24.560 --> 00:06:26.000 of those people that it's like you can ask them 138 00:06:26.040 --> 00:06:28.160 what they had for lunch, it's like it has nothing 139 00:06:28.279 --> 00:06:30.560 to do with anything of importance, and they'll tell you 140 00:06:30.600 --> 00:06:33.360 like McDonald's, but yet they just had subway, Like one 141 00:06:33.360 --> 00:06:35.560 of those motherfuckers. It was just like, why did you 142 00:06:35.600 --> 00:06:37.040 have to lie about that? Do you think? I like 143 00:06:37.120 --> 00:06:40.680 McDonald's more like what the fuck one of those people 144 00:06:40.800 --> 00:06:44.279 or like would start. We'd start a conversation about like 145 00:06:45.040 --> 00:06:48.040 stuff like about his job that he doesn't work at anymore, 146 00:06:48.199 --> 00:06:50.360 trying to tell me that he's It was just weird, Like, dude, 147 00:06:50.360 --> 00:06:52.000 you can admit to me you don't work there anymore, 148 00:06:52.399 --> 00:06:54.759 Like you don't have to send me pictures. Eventually the 149 00:06:54.800 --> 00:06:56.360 whole thing. I would just find out. The reason I 150 00:06:56.360 --> 00:06:58.240 even found out much about anything about the dude is 151 00:06:58.240 --> 00:06:59.879 because my wife at the time, who I was married 152 00:06:59.879 --> 00:07:02.879 to I'm divorce now, but was married. She was like, 153 00:07:02.920 --> 00:07:05.480 something's off with this motherfucker. And I was like, ah, 154 00:07:05.560 --> 00:07:07.240 I'm like whatever. I'm like the guy comes on and 155 00:07:07.240 --> 00:07:09.639 she was like, she's like, what's his name? And I 156 00:07:09.680 --> 00:07:11.319 gave her his name because I think one time he 157 00:07:11.439 --> 00:07:13.319 like somehow he gave me his name and he was 158 00:07:13.319 --> 00:07:15.920 telling you well, and he even spelt it wrong, probably 159 00:07:15.920 --> 00:07:18.879 on purpose, but my ex wife ended up finding the name, 160 00:07:19.160 --> 00:07:21.399 you know, spelt differently, and I was like, oh, yeah, 161 00:07:21.399 --> 00:07:23.600 that's him because I've seen his face once. That was 162 00:07:23.639 --> 00:07:25.439 another thing I'm podcasting with the dude who would never 163 00:07:25.480 --> 00:07:28.959 show his face. So that was getting little weird. Weird, Yeah, 164 00:07:29.000 --> 00:07:31.040 it's played well when you're lying that much, you don't 165 00:07:31.040 --> 00:07:35.199 want to show your face on so so eventually I 166 00:07:35.240 --> 00:07:37.680 was just like, Yo, this motherfucker hasn't even been working 167 00:07:37.680 --> 00:07:40.000 for the last two fucking years, according to his lincoln, 168 00:07:40.199 --> 00:07:41.759 and he's told me he's still It was just I 169 00:07:41.800 --> 00:07:44.279 started finding out all these lies and he started like 170 00:07:44.319 --> 00:07:46.199 half admitting some of them, and I was just like, Yo, 171 00:07:46.680 --> 00:07:49.560 this is crazy. I when I'm covering shit like this, 172 00:07:49.639 --> 00:07:51.680 I don't want somebody who's a liar on my show. 173 00:07:52.240 --> 00:07:55.399 I actually considered this stuff very important, you know. So 174 00:07:55.480 --> 00:07:57.040 I just wasn't comfortable with him, and I was like, dude, 175 00:07:57.040 --> 00:07:59.199 you gotta go. I ain't work with you anymore. And 176 00:08:00.360 --> 00:08:01.879 at that point I was like, I don't know what 177 00:08:01.920 --> 00:08:05.000 the fuck to do with this show. I started just 178 00:08:05.040 --> 00:08:08.240 bringing on guests but trying to cover topics with them 179 00:08:08.600 --> 00:08:11.000 and bringing on people for certain things, and eventually, I 180 00:08:11.040 --> 00:08:13.920 guess from doing that, I started becoming, you know, friends 181 00:08:13.920 --> 00:08:15.839 with all the podcasters or believe it or not, a 182 00:08:15.839 --> 00:08:18.279 lot of a lot of the people that are on 183 00:08:18.439 --> 00:08:21.279 the show now were actually fans of the show that 184 00:08:21.360 --> 00:08:23.519 either started their own stuff or I just brought on. 185 00:08:23.720 --> 00:08:26.199 Believe it or not, almost all of them are. I 186 00:08:26.240 --> 00:08:28.000 would say, well, everybody on the show was a fan 187 00:08:28.040 --> 00:08:31.000 of the show, but some of them started podcasting because 188 00:08:31.040 --> 00:08:35.600 of the ECUL rejects. Okay, so I brought I just noticed. 189 00:08:35.639 --> 00:08:37.960 I was like, all right, I'm gonna keep using these people, 190 00:08:38.000 --> 00:08:40.960 and eventually it's just just kind of caught on where 191 00:08:41.000 --> 00:08:42.440 I was like, I'm just gonna keep using the same 192 00:08:42.440 --> 00:08:44.519 people that I get along with and work well together. 193 00:08:45.559 --> 00:08:48.000 And then it just somehow it turned into about twelve 194 00:08:48.039 --> 00:08:51.480 people within the year, and that which I which I 195 00:08:51.519 --> 00:08:53.000 was kind of I was kind of shooting for it 196 00:08:53.000 --> 00:08:54.519 because I was like, you know, you got the zodiac 197 00:08:54.559 --> 00:08:57.120 that's twelve, and then I think the way it equals 198 00:08:57.120 --> 00:08:59.440 out now is like nine men and three girls. So 199 00:08:59.480 --> 00:09:01.840 I was like, you still get the ninety three from 200 00:09:01.879 --> 00:09:04.519 the oto with a limx shits like, yeah, I believe 201 00:09:04.559 --> 00:09:07.039 it like that from now. Plus, like I'll be totally 202 00:09:07.039 --> 00:09:09.000 honest with you, I'm not gonna mention any names, but 203 00:09:09.279 --> 00:09:11.279 like during that time, you go through people joining and 204 00:09:11.320 --> 00:09:14.279 like people you're just like, that's not gonna work. Out anymore. So, 205 00:09:14.320 --> 00:09:16.240 I mean even kind of had that, Yeah, I had it. 206 00:09:16.519 --> 00:09:19.639 I kind of had its growing pains. We had some 207 00:09:19.720 --> 00:09:23.120 growing pains, and people were just going in there all, 208 00:09:23.240 --> 00:09:25.399 I think, different direction than what I'm trying to do. 209 00:09:25.879 --> 00:09:27.759 I'm not trying to scare people with the occult. I'm 210 00:09:27.759 --> 00:09:33.399 trying to you know, uh, yes, educate people, yes, and 211 00:09:33.519 --> 00:09:36.159 uh some people are just stuck them where everything's satan, 212 00:09:36.200 --> 00:09:38.960 everything's dicks, and everything's evil, you know, and everything's the 213 00:09:38.960 --> 00:09:40.799 process church, and I'm tired of hearing that shit. It's 214 00:09:40.799 --> 00:09:42.759 just fucking silly, you know. 215 00:09:43.159 --> 00:09:43.360 Yeah. 216 00:09:43.399 --> 00:09:45.200 Yeah, So it's just like you know, uh, you know, 217 00:09:45.200 --> 00:09:46.720 I went through some growing pains, but I can say 218 00:09:46.720 --> 00:09:48.600 now I'm like very happy with the people I'm working with, 219 00:09:48.679 --> 00:09:50.879 have no anxiety when I hit the record button. You know. 220 00:09:50.919 --> 00:09:52.440 There was even times that I was just like worried 221 00:09:52.440 --> 00:09:53.960 about what was going to come out of certain people's 222 00:09:54.000 --> 00:09:56.960 mouths before I hit the record. But but now, like everything, 223 00:09:57.440 --> 00:09:59.639 everything's good to go. It's it's rolling pretty well, and 224 00:09:59.639 --> 00:10:02.240 we're even talking about like covering topics together with groups 225 00:10:02.240 --> 00:10:05.840 of us instead of just bringing on guests. So yeah, 226 00:10:05.879 --> 00:10:09.080 it should it should definitely pop off even more hopefully 227 00:10:09.080 --> 00:10:09.720 in the next year. 228 00:10:09.840 --> 00:10:13.639 So yeah, just it just goes to show you like 229 00:10:13.679 --> 00:10:15.879 it's always going to be changing and growing. Right over 230 00:10:15.919 --> 00:10:19.799 five years, like you kind of find a groove and 231 00:10:19.840 --> 00:10:21.279 then sometimes directions changed. 232 00:10:22.360 --> 00:10:24.879 Oh yeah, it's probably about three times now it's gone 233 00:10:24.919 --> 00:10:26.600 through like kind of like a change. But I mean 234 00:10:26.639 --> 00:10:29.600 it's always gotten better every time I do it. So yeah, 235 00:10:29.799 --> 00:10:31.440 it's almost like I hate to say, there's like a 236 00:10:31.480 --> 00:10:34.360 death and a rebirth. You know, it's like my forced me. 237 00:10:34.399 --> 00:10:36.200 People get removed, other people come in, or it just 238 00:10:36.240 --> 00:10:38.320 stays the same, but you know something's got to go 239 00:10:38.360 --> 00:10:40.240 to change it to get in the direction that it's. 240 00:10:40.039 --> 00:10:42.240 Going, And I would say grow. 241 00:10:42.799 --> 00:10:45.120 I would say one of my favorite one of the 242 00:10:45.159 --> 00:10:48.639 things when I first heard about your podcast that I 243 00:10:48.679 --> 00:10:51.360 love when I first turned it on, it's like, shit. 244 00:10:51.200 --> 00:10:53.399 Look at all these people, Like I just. 245 00:10:53.399 --> 00:10:56.120 Love how there's different people on, all the different perspectives, 246 00:10:56.200 --> 00:10:59.240 all the different personalities, and just you know, each person 247 00:10:59.320 --> 00:11:03.000 kind of has their own each their own thing going 248 00:11:03.039 --> 00:11:05.360 on that they bring to the table. So yeah, that's 249 00:11:05.360 --> 00:11:07.200 what I love that. I appreciate that. 250 00:11:07.799 --> 00:11:10.080 So yeah, that's pretty much Jack. 251 00:11:10.799 --> 00:11:13.559 We have our own U U crew for sure. 252 00:11:14.080 --> 00:11:16.759 No that's great. I honestly think more people should do that. 253 00:11:16.960 --> 00:11:20.360 You know, yeah, then it's not like an echo chamber, 254 00:11:20.399 --> 00:11:22.120 you know what I mean. You're there telling me what 255 00:11:22.240 --> 00:11:24.960 you think, yes, but other people who are there to 256 00:11:25.000 --> 00:11:27.279 help you kind of carry along the narrative of the 257 00:11:27.279 --> 00:11:28.679 story or whatever you're presenting. 258 00:11:28.759 --> 00:11:30.679 Right at first, I was a little worried about even 259 00:11:30.720 --> 00:11:33.480 doing like those larger groups because I'm not patting myself 260 00:11:33.519 --> 00:11:35.080 on the back. And there are people that I know 261 00:11:35.159 --> 00:11:37.840 on YouTube they may not really be podcasters, they don't 262 00:11:37.879 --> 00:11:39.879 have audio. They do like YouTube things we all have 263 00:11:40.840 --> 00:11:43.879 multiple people on, but honestly, a lot of podcasts when 264 00:11:43.919 --> 00:11:45.639 they do that, it's just like a bunch of dudes 265 00:11:45.759 --> 00:11:47.799 jerking each other roll saying how everybody else is dumb 266 00:11:47.840 --> 00:11:50.159 and that they don't fall from their own narrative. It's 267 00:11:50.200 --> 00:11:53.000 just like there's nothing, there's no substance to these roundtables. 268 00:11:53.440 --> 00:11:55.440 It's just everybody patting each other on the back saying 269 00:11:55.440 --> 00:11:58.120 you're fucking great. So I was like, you know what, 270 00:11:58.159 --> 00:11:59.480 if I pull this off, I actually want to make 271 00:11:59.480 --> 00:12:02.440 it like education. And I think that was like even 272 00:12:02.440 --> 00:12:03.759 part of the reasons why I sort of kind of, 273 00:12:04.080 --> 00:12:05.960 like you said, there are people that I pick because 274 00:12:06.000 --> 00:12:09.039 they have certain things that I think are valuable and different. 275 00:12:08.919 --> 00:12:11.960 You know, like and I like, I appreciate watching your show. 276 00:12:12.080 --> 00:12:14.519 Like sometimes people just flat out disagree. 277 00:12:14.440 --> 00:12:17.159 Yeah yeah, yeah, yeah people will, and but then that 278 00:12:17.240 --> 00:12:18.639 dicks about it either for the most. 279 00:12:18.440 --> 00:12:20.440 Part, Yeah yeah, respectful. 280 00:12:20.559 --> 00:12:23.159 Yeah. I would even say, like, you know, like Ricardo, 281 00:12:23.200 --> 00:12:25.080 I bring him home because he's great with the science, 282 00:12:25.200 --> 00:12:29.200 you know, I bring I bring Lisa on because she's 283 00:12:29.240 --> 00:12:33.200 really good with the occult and uh, you know, physiology. Ye, 284 00:12:33.360 --> 00:12:36.080 you know, Jin is really good with you know, his 285 00:12:36.200 --> 00:12:38.919 Asian stuff, which most of us don't know jack shit about, 286 00:12:39.360 --> 00:12:41.039 you know what I'm saying. So like everybody does have 287 00:12:41.120 --> 00:12:45.080 like their own kind of niche and like like even Tyrone, 288 00:12:45.720 --> 00:12:47.480 it's like, you know, I have I've added him to 289 00:12:47.480 --> 00:12:49.879 the show recently. I really you know, I met him. 290 00:12:49.919 --> 00:12:53.559 I thought he was like actually, like he's a real motherfucker, 291 00:12:53.960 --> 00:12:55.639 you know what I'm saying, Like, I know, I know, 292 00:12:56.240 --> 00:12:58.120 I know you're not paid or you know, like I 293 00:12:58.159 --> 00:12:59.879 don't know how to explain it, but I know you're 294 00:13:00.039 --> 00:13:02.960 well and like yo, I just cheesy as ship. The 295 00:13:02.960 --> 00:13:04.799 fact that this dude loves pulling sh up and throwing 296 00:13:04.840 --> 00:13:06.399 it on the screen when we're talking about it. It's like, 297 00:13:06.480 --> 00:13:09.519 you know, he's even found like his own way to contribute. 298 00:13:09.639 --> 00:13:14.600 Yeah, yeah, yeah, he's like the man reads. 299 00:13:14.879 --> 00:13:17.440 Yeah yeah, Well that's another thing too. I'm like, yo, 300 00:13:17.600 --> 00:13:19.320 people that read, they got a lot of shit up 301 00:13:19.360 --> 00:13:20.360 in that head, so I want to hear it. 302 00:13:20.399 --> 00:13:26.720 Yeah, he's the king of a book tab which I 303 00:13:27.039 --> 00:13:27.960 love that about him. 304 00:13:28.039 --> 00:13:28.759 Yeah, I love that. 305 00:13:28.799 --> 00:13:33.440 About him for sure. Tabin Tyrone, Yeah, I Tyrone. 306 00:13:34.559 --> 00:13:39.919 Thanks. I introduced some other show called Tabin Tyrone. 307 00:13:41.399 --> 00:13:44.240 So okay, let's talk a little bit about how you 308 00:13:44.279 --> 00:13:48.559 got into OTO. How how did you get into this situation? 309 00:13:49.200 --> 00:13:50.080 How do you happened? 310 00:13:50.600 --> 00:13:53.720 I was well, first off, just to make it real quick, 311 00:13:54.240 --> 00:13:56.279 when I first got into conspiracies, it probably a little 312 00:13:56.279 --> 00:14:00.879 bit around twenty ten. I was hugely drawn into uh 313 00:14:01.720 --> 00:14:08.279 oh god, these David Ike, Michael uh Passio, Jordan Maxwell 314 00:14:08.360 --> 00:14:11.919 couldn't remember his name, people like that that were very 315 00:14:12.000 --> 00:14:14.720 much into covering the cult the occult as well. You 316 00:14:14.720 --> 00:14:16.480 know what I'm saying. It was conspiracy, but a lot 317 00:14:16.480 --> 00:14:18.240 of focus on the occult. I was interested in that, 318 00:14:18.320 --> 00:14:22.320 and I kind of like gravitated towards things like that 319 00:14:22.480 --> 00:14:24.840 and you know, like most people, probably at some point 320 00:14:24.879 --> 00:14:26.399 you just start like, you know, looking up things and 321 00:14:26.399 --> 00:14:28.559 going down rabbit holes in your own So I was 322 00:14:28.559 --> 00:14:30.480 always interested in the occult stuff, and I was like, 323 00:14:30.519 --> 00:14:32.799 you know, one day though, I was just like, you know, 324 00:14:32.840 --> 00:14:35.799 I'm chasing all these names, all these orders or these 325 00:14:35.799 --> 00:14:38.320 styles of magic that started here. Who started this, what 326 00:14:38.440 --> 00:14:40.919 family started this, who's doing this? And I'm like, I 327 00:14:41.039 --> 00:14:43.159 still have zero fucking clue what the fuck magic is? 328 00:14:43.759 --> 00:14:44.759 Head still spinning. 329 00:14:44.919 --> 00:14:46.600 Yeah, I'm like, what the fuck is magic? I know 330 00:14:46.679 --> 00:14:48.240 these names in these places, but it's not telling me 331 00:14:48.279 --> 00:14:50.559 what the fuck magic is or O cultos is. Just 332 00:14:50.600 --> 00:14:52.879 one day that clicked and I was like, maybe it's 333 00:14:52.919 --> 00:14:55.720 just see if these places like around. I was like, 334 00:14:55.720 --> 00:14:57.240 fucking I'll just go join one and see what the 335 00:14:58.320 --> 00:15:01.720 right Yeah, so well I knew somebody who was a freemason. 336 00:15:01.759 --> 00:15:04.080 Then I met like at one point, I started even 337 00:15:04.080 --> 00:15:06.559 buying books. I bought a couple of books on magic, 338 00:15:07.120 --> 00:15:09.159 and then I started like joining like a couple like 339 00:15:09.200 --> 00:15:11.120 Facebook groups. I didn't know where to look for this shit, 340 00:15:11.720 --> 00:15:13.639 so I went on Facebook. You know, that's when kind 341 00:15:13.639 --> 00:15:15.480 of when people still used Facebook games. I think back 342 00:15:15.480 --> 00:15:17.759 in twenty ten. So there was like a lot of 343 00:15:17.759 --> 00:15:19.320 groups that I was in. I met some people that 344 00:15:19.360 --> 00:15:21.919 were like, you know, Freemasons at Telemites, were into other shit, 345 00:15:22.080 --> 00:15:24.279 and some of them I became close to. And one 346 00:15:24.279 --> 00:15:25.799 person was in the Masons, and they were like, listen, 347 00:15:25.799 --> 00:15:27.840 you joined the Freemasons. You're gonna be waiting fucking forever 348 00:15:27.879 --> 00:15:30.399 to even get into magic, so like, don't even bother 349 00:15:30.519 --> 00:15:32.600 if that's what you want to do right away. And 350 00:15:32.639 --> 00:15:35.480 they suggested, like, you know, the Golden Doorn, the Oto, 351 00:15:36.600 --> 00:15:40.159 fuck the artists, maybe one or two other things they suggested, 352 00:15:40.200 --> 00:15:42.679 and nothing was around me except for the Oto, and 353 00:15:42.720 --> 00:15:44.480 it was like twenty minutes away, and I was like, well, 354 00:15:44.759 --> 00:15:47.960 I guess I really don't have an option I would 355 00:15:47.960 --> 00:15:50.960 have preferred. Honestly myself, I was kind of hoping there 356 00:15:50.960 --> 00:15:53.039 was a Golden Doorn because to me it seemed a 357 00:15:53.039 --> 00:15:56.600 little bit more educational and that so much like the 358 00:15:56.639 --> 00:16:00.000 flare that Crowley has, you know, or the Oto had. 359 00:16:00.240 --> 00:16:02.480 So I was like, uh, I guess I'll deal with 360 00:16:02.519 --> 00:16:06.200 this because I even like, I'll even say too. I mean, 361 00:16:06.200 --> 00:16:08.279 I don't know how many of these stories are true, 362 00:16:08.919 --> 00:16:11.399 but you know, I'm sure Crowley, you know, whatever, I'm 363 00:16:11.399 --> 00:16:13.159 sure he did some fucked up shit at some point, 364 00:16:13.480 --> 00:16:15.600 so I don't put him up on a pedestal. So 365 00:16:16.080 --> 00:16:17.639 I was just like, all right, I'll go to the 366 00:16:17.639 --> 00:16:20.639 Oto anyway, even though I'm not like, you know, worshiping Crowley. 367 00:16:21.639 --> 00:16:23.440 But I do believe he was in a cult genius. 368 00:16:24.039 --> 00:16:25.720 I think he was onto some other Actually, since I've 369 00:16:25.799 --> 00:16:28.000 left and had magical experiences, I actually think he was 370 00:16:28.039 --> 00:16:29.799 more of a coult genius now than I did when 371 00:16:29.799 --> 00:16:35.159 I joined. But uh yeah, So I decided to was 372 00:16:35.159 --> 00:16:37.639 like fuck it, I'll go look them up. And like, 373 00:16:37.679 --> 00:16:40.919 these places is like really secret. I think the information 374 00:16:40.960 --> 00:16:43.399 about occultism a secret, but these places existing, they're not 375 00:16:43.480 --> 00:16:46.039 hiding it. They have websites, they have like you know, 376 00:16:46.360 --> 00:16:49.320 they all have social media, and like I found I 377 00:16:49.399 --> 00:16:51.440 found the place. It was like, oh to Woti Lodge. Okay, 378 00:16:51.519 --> 00:16:52.720 let me look that up because it was like on 379 00:16:52.759 --> 00:16:55.240 the OTO fucking website showing you like the map, show 380 00:16:55.519 --> 00:16:57.879 where places are. And I was like, all right, yeah, 381 00:16:57.879 --> 00:16:59.720 that's near me. So I looked it up and they 382 00:16:59.759 --> 00:17:01.720 had a schedule I think on Facebook or somewhere. There 383 00:17:01.759 --> 00:17:04.599 was like a calendar of events, and I was like, 384 00:17:04.599 --> 00:17:06.640 all right, they got the Gnostic mask coming up in 385 00:17:06.640 --> 00:17:09.279 like a week, and I googled it, youither googled it. 386 00:17:09.279 --> 00:17:10.680 I looked at on YouTube and I was like, oh, 387 00:17:10.720 --> 00:17:12.559 there's a Gnostic mass on here, so I could watch it. 388 00:17:13.319 --> 00:17:14.559 So I watched it and I was like, all right, 389 00:17:14.599 --> 00:17:17.599 it's you know, different, you know, but nothing crazy. I 390 00:17:17.640 --> 00:17:20.119 think I can handle this. So I, you know, decided 391 00:17:20.160 --> 00:17:23.240 to go for a Gnostic mass. And I remember like 392 00:17:23.279 --> 00:17:25.359 even the email, like the email was like making it 393 00:17:25.359 --> 00:17:28.119 almost weird at first, but when I got there, I 394 00:17:28.200 --> 00:17:30.920 realized the situation. But at first it was like I 395 00:17:30.960 --> 00:17:32.480 think they gave me directions to get there, and then 396 00:17:32.480 --> 00:17:34.359 they're like, you know, there's a park across the street 397 00:17:34.519 --> 00:17:36.599 with benches on the you know that are out on 398 00:17:36.640 --> 00:17:39.160 the road, you know, like on the sidewalk. They're like, sitt, 399 00:17:39.200 --> 00:17:41.240 you know, go over by the benches and wait, we'll 400 00:17:41.240 --> 00:17:42.519 come out and get you. And I'm like, Yo, what 401 00:17:42.599 --> 00:17:47.119 the fuck is this? Like what the fuck? So like 402 00:17:47.200 --> 00:17:49.279 now I'm like, all right, all right, I'm gonna go, 403 00:17:49.799 --> 00:17:52.400 like you know, what's going on here? And like it's 404 00:17:52.400 --> 00:17:53.920 in sunny side, So it was like even in an 405 00:17:53.960 --> 00:17:55.359 area where there was like a lot of traffic and 406 00:17:55.400 --> 00:17:58.200 even problems parking. It was a busy area. I ended 407 00:17:58.279 --> 00:18:00.319 up finding a spot luckily that wasn't too far away, 408 00:18:00.319 --> 00:18:02.039 and like I could see, Like I was like, all right, 409 00:18:02.079 --> 00:18:04.960 there's people standing outside. It was like probably like ten 410 00:18:05.039 --> 00:18:07.319 or fifteen people, and like they all looked like they 411 00:18:07.359 --> 00:18:09.480 were fucking Gotha. They listened to the cure, so it 412 00:18:09.559 --> 00:18:14.559 was like I already knew it was up to open. Yeah. Yeah, 413 00:18:14.599 --> 00:18:17.119 So I was like, they're already fit. I guarantee you 414 00:18:17.200 --> 00:18:18.680 they're waiting there. So I was like, I'm not gonna 415 00:18:18.680 --> 00:18:20.160 be the only one standing out on the street of 416 00:18:20.240 --> 00:18:22.599 getting sacrificed. So you know, I guess I get a chance. 417 00:18:23.440 --> 00:18:25.200 So I walked. I walked over there and then and 418 00:18:25.240 --> 00:18:27.039 then it you know, I think if one or two 419 00:18:27.039 --> 00:18:28.400 people might have said hi to me. And then like 420 00:18:28.440 --> 00:18:31.839 I realized this situation is that the place at there 421 00:18:31.880 --> 00:18:33.759 in you need a key. You can't just walk into 422 00:18:33.799 --> 00:18:37.039 the apartment complex. So somebody had to come out to 423 00:18:37.079 --> 00:18:39.880 actually like open up the door so everybody could get 424 00:18:39.920 --> 00:18:41.559 in because nobody has a key, they don't live there. 425 00:18:42.000 --> 00:18:43.400 So I was like, all right, this makes a little 426 00:18:43.400 --> 00:18:46.599 bit more sense. It's it's okay, it's you know, so 427 00:18:46.839 --> 00:18:50.400 you know, I went, uh, Now, I didn't realize that 428 00:18:50.559 --> 00:18:54.960 thinking that, like, I guess you could make a a 429 00:18:55.079 --> 00:18:59.640 non non nude version of the Gnostic Mass and put 430 00:18:59.680 --> 00:19:01.319 it on you tube, Like I just didn't think like 431 00:19:01.400 --> 00:19:02.880 that's what you would have to do so it would 432 00:19:02.920 --> 00:19:05.759 stay up. So at one point, like titties came out, 433 00:19:05.799 --> 00:19:10.440 and I was like, Yo, this wasn't in fucking YouTube. 434 00:19:10.640 --> 00:19:12.480 Yoh no. I was just like, Yo, if this shit 435 00:19:12.519 --> 00:19:14.519 gets any fucking weird or I'm getting the fuck out 436 00:19:14.519 --> 00:19:15.799 of here. I was even thinking that. I was like, Yo, 437 00:19:15.920 --> 00:19:18.119 anything else happens, I'm fucking walking out. 438 00:19:18.480 --> 00:19:18.640 I was. 439 00:19:18.920 --> 00:19:22.880 I'm like thinking, I'm like, I'm like looking, it's like 440 00:19:23.160 --> 00:19:24.839 if people want to see the Gnostic masks, It's like 441 00:19:24.880 --> 00:19:26.759 people are standing up on each side at this point 442 00:19:26.759 --> 00:19:29.720 when the tits come out, So I'm just like standing there. 443 00:19:29.759 --> 00:19:31.799 I'm like almost like everything, just like I'm just like 444 00:19:31.799 --> 00:19:33.480 looking at everything. And I was like, yo, I'm standing 445 00:19:33.480 --> 00:19:35.759 here with people, like what the fuck is going on? 446 00:19:35.880 --> 00:19:38.200 Is this gonna turn into eyes? White shirt? And I'm 447 00:19:38.240 --> 00:19:39.640 looking around and I'm like I don't want to fuck 448 00:19:39.640 --> 00:19:41.799 any of these people either, So like I'm definitely out 449 00:19:41.839 --> 00:19:46.640 of here, Like I wouldn't have anyway, but I'm just 450 00:19:46.960 --> 00:19:49.039 it was just like, yo, this is very fucking weird. 451 00:19:49.400 --> 00:19:51.039 I gotta get the fuck out of here if this 452 00:19:51.079 --> 00:19:54.319 gets fucking weird. And luckily it didn't, but I was 453 00:19:54.400 --> 00:19:56.799 just like that that did. Like I was just like, whoa, okay, 454 00:19:56.880 --> 00:19:58.799 all right, so we got fucking titties every time I 455 00:19:58.839 --> 00:20:03.359 comes to the nastic mass, So I was just like, oh, yeah, 456 00:20:03.359 --> 00:20:05.200 it could have been dicks. Yeah, that would have been worse 457 00:20:05.240 --> 00:20:10.480 for me. Yeah, but uh yeah, I guess I mean really, 458 00:20:10.519 --> 00:20:11.920 I mean, I guess if a pair of boobs like 459 00:20:12.119 --> 00:20:13.920 should it would really be complaining at that point. 460 00:20:13.960 --> 00:20:14.279 I guess that. 461 00:20:14.480 --> 00:20:18.160 But yeah, yeah, yeah, I guess it is for a 462 00:20:18.160 --> 00:20:22.599 lot of people there for sure. Well yeah, because I 463 00:20:22.720 --> 00:20:25.000 was just like it has such a horrible connotation that 464 00:20:25.039 --> 00:20:28.119 an organization already that I was just like, fuck, like 465 00:20:28.119 --> 00:20:32.160 what's happening next? Like yeah, yeah, I wasn't expecting this, 466 00:20:32.319 --> 00:20:35.960 So obviously it wasn't bad enough to stop me from going, 467 00:20:36.039 --> 00:20:39.640 but like I ended up going back again for like 468 00:20:39.680 --> 00:20:41.599 a class, because that was like another thing. This thing 469 00:20:41.640 --> 00:20:44.519 would have like classes like how to how to make 470 00:20:44.559 --> 00:20:47.160 a towisman, how to make a you know, fucking candle 471 00:20:47.240 --> 00:20:47.960 candle magic. 472 00:20:48.759 --> 00:20:48.920 Uh. 473 00:20:48.960 --> 00:20:51.920 Sometimes they would have history classes on older people, you know, 474 00:20:52.160 --> 00:20:57.160 like older occultists or alchemists or planetary magic classes. So 475 00:20:57.240 --> 00:21:00.039 they would to Hootie Lodge and I went to It 476 00:21:00.240 --> 00:21:02.480 was when I was there was very I guess, and poppy, 477 00:21:02.559 --> 00:21:05.160 with a lot of stuff going on. So there was 478 00:21:05.200 --> 00:21:07.279 other things besides the gnostic mass that I could do, 479 00:21:07.400 --> 00:21:11.480 and I ended up doing that, you know, And I 480 00:21:11.480 --> 00:21:15.160 guess I found value in the place besides a gnostic mass, 481 00:21:15.400 --> 00:21:17.480 the classes. There was a lot of people there that 482 00:21:17.519 --> 00:21:19.519 were into a lot of different ideas of magic, so 483 00:21:19.599 --> 00:21:21.559 I even thought that was of value to just talk 484 00:21:21.640 --> 00:21:24.359 and learn from other people. So I guess, you know. Again, 485 00:21:24.359 --> 00:21:26.319 even though that was my first experience and a weirded 486 00:21:26.319 --> 00:21:27.960 me out, I ended up staying for like another five 487 00:21:28.039 --> 00:21:31.119 or six years. I will say at one point, yeah, 488 00:21:31.119 --> 00:21:33.720 I will say at one point it's kind of funny. 489 00:21:33.960 --> 00:21:35.720 I never did get used to the whole titty thing, 490 00:21:35.759 --> 00:21:38.319 and that I ended up getting. You know, why you're there. 491 00:21:38.440 --> 00:21:40.559 When you start like becoming a member or moving up, 492 00:21:40.559 --> 00:21:43.039 they're gonna expect you to do things or get involved. 493 00:21:43.400 --> 00:21:45.519 And one of the easier things to do in my opinion, 494 00:21:45.559 --> 00:21:48.359 was to be in the Gnostic mass and for somebody 495 00:21:48.440 --> 00:21:50.480 like me or an entry level person, as somebody who 496 00:21:50.599 --> 00:21:53.880 hasn't been there for years or done certain things, you're 497 00:21:53.880 --> 00:21:56.480 really only gonna be able to pie child as they 498 00:21:56.480 --> 00:21:59.680 call it, children or the children, and basically you follow 499 00:21:59.759 --> 00:22:03.240 the the priestess or the priest. One person will have 500 00:22:03.359 --> 00:22:06.839 incense and charcoal, the other person will have water and salt, 501 00:22:07.079 --> 00:22:09.240 you know, and you follow them throughout the thing. But 502 00:22:10.400 --> 00:22:12.359 at one point, you know, when the tits come out, 503 00:22:12.839 --> 00:22:15.799 the children are facing everybody else the other way, so 504 00:22:15.839 --> 00:22:18.359 she's to my back. So I was like, all right, 505 00:22:18.359 --> 00:22:20.039 I'll just start childing, so now I don't even have 506 00:22:20.039 --> 00:22:23.880 to stare at this bitch anymore, and I'm getting involved 507 00:22:24.160 --> 00:22:27.400 and it makes everybody happy. So that was even like 508 00:22:27.400 --> 00:22:28.960 another way that I was even to like mind fuck 509 00:22:29.039 --> 00:22:32.039 myself to stay there and stay involved. But you know, 510 00:22:32.079 --> 00:22:34.680 I had it some of its pros and cons, but eventually, 511 00:22:34.720 --> 00:22:37.839 you know, at the end, you know the stuff with 512 00:22:37.960 --> 00:22:41.039 it again. It just I was even kind of like 513 00:22:41.079 --> 00:22:44.319 not going there anymore. Probably about six months prior to COVID, 514 00:22:44.720 --> 00:22:47.599 I just really wasn't happy with it. It just seemed 515 00:22:47.640 --> 00:22:49.279 like I. At this point I started having my own 516 00:22:49.319 --> 00:22:51.640 magical experiences, and to me, I was just like, nobody 517 00:22:51.680 --> 00:22:54.680 else there is. Everybody else there is fucking idolizing this 518 00:22:54.759 --> 00:22:57.720 guy in their fucking slaves, and nobody there that's even 519 00:22:57.799 --> 00:22:59.720 high up is even telling people what the fuck they 520 00:22:59.759 --> 00:23:02.240 think really magic is. So I'm like, either they know 521 00:23:02.319 --> 00:23:04.319 and they're not telling everybody, or they don't know either. 522 00:23:05.319 --> 00:23:07.359 And I was just like, the images and the way 523 00:23:07.400 --> 00:23:09.599 people live and the way people act, it's more as 524 00:23:09.640 --> 00:23:12.759 if they're like celebrating devices instead of the virtues. So 525 00:23:12.799 --> 00:23:14.359 I was just like, I don't know what the fuck's 526 00:23:14.400 --> 00:23:17.559 going on. This doesn't this isn't the image of my 527 00:23:17.680 --> 00:23:22.480 magical experience. Even though I now I do use art 528 00:23:22.880 --> 00:23:25.799 it does look that bad, almost to an extent, to 529 00:23:25.960 --> 00:23:29.599 express magical experiences, but it doesn't always have to look 530 00:23:29.640 --> 00:23:31.039 like that. Just put it that way, and that place 531 00:23:31.039 --> 00:23:33.640 always did seem to look like that, But to me, 532 00:23:33.720 --> 00:23:35.599 it was just a certain vibe that just didn't match 533 00:23:35.680 --> 00:23:37.319 my magical experience. And then I was like, yeah, I 534 00:23:37.319 --> 00:23:40.039 think I'm just gonna slowly bow out. And then again 535 00:23:40.079 --> 00:23:41.880 when COVID happened, and all of a sudden, they're like 536 00:23:41.920 --> 00:23:44.160 we're closing the lodge, and I'm like, well, I wasn't 537 00:23:44.160 --> 00:23:46.240 gonna go anyway, probably, but like I just thought for 538 00:23:46.319 --> 00:23:48.519 the reasoning, I was just like, Yo, this is fucking stupid. 539 00:23:48.559 --> 00:23:51.759 The churches a rope. And then they started doing zoom 540 00:23:51.799 --> 00:23:54.200 meetings because of that, and I was like, you know what, 541 00:23:54.240 --> 00:23:57.200 I could probably jump in every once in a while. 542 00:23:57.440 --> 00:24:00.160 Like again, honestly, COVID hit. There wasn't much going on on. 543 00:24:01.079 --> 00:24:03.039 I was like, I'll jump into some zooms because they 544 00:24:03.039 --> 00:24:05.160 were like they were pumping out mad shit on Zoom, 545 00:24:05.200 --> 00:24:08.240 like meditations, you know, classes, book readings. You were just 546 00:24:08.240 --> 00:24:09.839 doing a lot of stuff that I guess even help 547 00:24:10.400 --> 00:24:12.759 help them mentally ill there and not go crazy, because 548 00:24:12.759 --> 00:24:15.880 there was tons of mentally ill people there for sure. Uh. 549 00:24:16.279 --> 00:24:18.119 You know, they did that. And then one day they 550 00:24:18.119 --> 00:24:21.039 did a they did something for the George Floyd thing, 551 00:24:21.160 --> 00:24:22.880 like they actually sent an email out that they were 552 00:24:22.880 --> 00:24:24.880 gonna have like I wanted to talk about the whole 553 00:24:24.920 --> 00:24:27.599 George Floyd situation, and I was like, Yo, what the 554 00:24:27.599 --> 00:24:31.000 fuck is this. I was like, the OTO is really 555 00:24:31.240 --> 00:24:34.319 supposed to be much like alcoholics anonymous, to the extent 556 00:24:34.400 --> 00:24:36.640 that we don't give a flying fuck what the fuck's 557 00:24:36.680 --> 00:24:38.440 going on in the outside world. We're only supposed to 558 00:24:38.480 --> 00:24:40.400 talk about what's going on in here and what this 559 00:24:40.480 --> 00:24:43.079 place is about. So if we're not talking about magic 560 00:24:43.160 --> 00:24:45.119 or you know, fucking cooking for Crowley, what the fuck 561 00:24:45.160 --> 00:24:46.960 are we even talking about this one? Like this has 562 00:24:47.039 --> 00:24:49.480 nothing to do with fucking magic, And once we're gonna 563 00:24:49.480 --> 00:24:51.799 talk about how it's probably a fucking SI off and 564 00:24:51.839 --> 00:24:54.039 there's tons of a cult symbolism in it, but I 565 00:24:54.079 --> 00:24:56.519 wasn't talked about. All of a sudden, it became like 566 00:24:56.839 --> 00:24:59.079 we have motherfucking white people going around in a circle 567 00:24:59.160 --> 00:25:01.880 talking about fu black racism that they experienced, so I 568 00:25:01.920 --> 00:25:04.640 can not even fucking black get the fuck up. Yo, 569 00:25:04.680 --> 00:25:06.680 we had one black guy in the fucking lodge, which 570 00:25:06.680 --> 00:25:08.920 I should say something in itself too. Who know, we 571 00:25:08.960 --> 00:25:11.799 don't want to talk about that during this Kumbaya and 572 00:25:11.880 --> 00:25:14.359 George Floyd, you know, it was fucking Yeah, it was 573 00:25:14.359 --> 00:25:16.119 fucking weird, and I'm like, yo, this and then they 574 00:25:16.160 --> 00:25:18.720 just want to start talking about people want to start protesting, 575 00:25:18.720 --> 00:25:21.119 you know, we'll set up protests, and I was like, Yo, 576 00:25:21.160 --> 00:25:24.319 what the fuck is this about? Yeah, And I was like, Yo, 577 00:25:24.319 --> 00:25:26.119 I'm out of here. This Ship is fucked up. This 578 00:25:26.200 --> 00:25:30.960 is a fucking seriously left leaning liberal. 579 00:25:31.119 --> 00:25:35.319 Everything went like that though, right, Everything went like that, 580 00:25:35.440 --> 00:25:36.079 so you. 581 00:25:36.039 --> 00:25:38.960 Know, even prior to that flip the switch everything, Yeah, 582 00:25:39.000 --> 00:25:41.440 it's weird to see it in that context, like in 583 00:25:41.519 --> 00:25:42.519 that setting. 584 00:25:43.119 --> 00:25:46.359 It is. It is because like, yo, I'll be straight up, 585 00:25:46.400 --> 00:25:48.559 even if Alista Crowley was alive today, he'd be like, 586 00:25:48.599 --> 00:25:50.000 you motherfuckers are retarded. 587 00:25:50.440 --> 00:25:51.079 Sit down. 588 00:25:51.519 --> 00:25:53.519 He would seriously say, I don't even want this fucking 589 00:25:53.559 --> 00:25:55.400 thing anymore. Somebody else take it over. You guys are 590 00:25:55.440 --> 00:25:58.599 all fucking sick. I guarantee you heat Ship on his 591 00:25:58.640 --> 00:26:01.960 own fucking organization at this point because they are slaves 592 00:26:02.000 --> 00:26:05.839 to the fucking gods. It is sad, But it just 593 00:26:05.839 --> 00:26:08.160 sorted like I should have realized, Like again, I'm not 594 00:26:09.359 --> 00:26:10.720 a lot of things. I think a lot of what 595 00:26:10.799 --> 00:26:12.599 the sexual shit going on right now, I just think 596 00:26:12.640 --> 00:26:15.640 that's it's all you hand somebody an idea that they've 597 00:26:15.680 --> 00:26:17.119 never heard of it before, they have the chance to 598 00:26:17.160 --> 00:26:19.759 either take it in or leave it alone. So I 599 00:26:19.799 --> 00:26:22.839 do think like it's just a mind fucker with a 600 00:26:22.839 --> 00:26:24.440 lot of that shit. But like even before I left 601 00:26:24.480 --> 00:26:28.039 the OTO, they started like doing things to like figuring 602 00:26:28.039 --> 00:26:30.839 out ways to include like non binaries to do certain 603 00:26:30.920 --> 00:26:33.160 roles in the Gnostic Mass, and I'm like, I'm like, 604 00:26:33.200 --> 00:26:36.279 do you realize, like everything in the Gnostic Mass is 605 00:26:36.319 --> 00:26:38.920 an energetic thing that's supposed to be coming together. If 606 00:26:38.960 --> 00:26:41.039 you turn one of them tonight and non binary, now 607 00:26:41.039 --> 00:26:44.160 it doesn't fucking work, right, Yeah, And it's like, why 608 00:26:44.200 --> 00:26:48.079 are we bending to these sick motherfuckers? It just makes 609 00:26:48.119 --> 00:26:49.880 no sense. And I was just like, well, you know, 610 00:26:49.920 --> 00:26:51.960 and other people saw that shit coming too, but I 611 00:26:52.000 --> 00:26:53.880 had no idea it was gonna go that extreme when 612 00:26:53.880 --> 00:26:55.759 it finally did, and that's when I was like, yo, 613 00:26:55.839 --> 00:26:57.240 what I'm out of here, Because at first I was 614 00:26:57.279 --> 00:26:59.799 just like, all, this is a little weird. There's only 615 00:26:59.839 --> 00:27:02.880 way one or two hears what I really care. But 616 00:27:02.880 --> 00:27:04.440 when sits, its just sat of getting weirder, and I 617 00:27:04.480 --> 00:27:08.680 was like, I'm out. You guys are obviously pushing far 618 00:27:08.759 --> 00:27:11.640 left ideology, you know, And there was like even there 619 00:27:11.720 --> 00:27:15.160 was like a weird things too, like you know, like again, 620 00:27:15.240 --> 00:27:17.119 as I said, the longer you're there, they're gonna expect 621 00:27:17.119 --> 00:27:21.480 you to do more things. I oh, this is this 622 00:27:21.519 --> 00:27:23.240 is a good reason why I left as well too. 623 00:27:23.640 --> 00:27:26.920 The second degree. When I took the second degree initiation, 624 00:27:28.200 --> 00:27:33.079 they read off certain things about other degrees going higher up, 625 00:27:33.680 --> 00:27:37.759 things that might be needed needed to even take that degree, 626 00:27:37.880 --> 00:27:39.640 or things that you would yeah, things that you would 627 00:27:39.680 --> 00:27:41.480 have to have like checked off to even take that degree. 628 00:27:42.119 --> 00:27:43.880 They mentioned one of them, like the seventh degree. I 629 00:27:43.880 --> 00:27:46.160 think I could be off by a degree too. Okay, 630 00:27:46.160 --> 00:27:47.960 so I have anybody listening happens to know, and I 631 00:27:48.039 --> 00:27:49.720 might be over by a degree too. I'm not talking 632 00:27:49.759 --> 00:27:53.680 shits wronged up. You know one of those uh As 633 00:27:53.680 --> 00:27:55.480 you start getting higher up six, seven or eight, it's 634 00:27:55.480 --> 00:27:57.960 around there you gotta be with like the person you're with, 635 00:27:58.799 --> 00:28:00.480 like they have to be a member of the so 636 00:28:00.599 --> 00:28:02.720 like either like the like again, Like I'm like, so 637 00:28:02.839 --> 00:28:04.279 if I want to stay here, I'm gonna to convince 638 00:28:04.319 --> 00:28:08.400 my wife to join. Yeah. Like, as soon as she 639 00:28:08.440 --> 00:28:09.960 saw the nastic mass, she'd be like, get the fuck 640 00:28:10.000 --> 00:28:14.960 out of here with done shit. She didn't know those titties. Yeah, now, 641 00:28:15.000 --> 00:28:16.799 she would have dragged me out by my fucking well, 642 00:28:16.799 --> 00:28:18.119 I have no hair. She would have dragged me out 643 00:28:18.119 --> 00:28:19.839 by my shirt and be like, Yo, get the fuck 644 00:28:19.839 --> 00:28:23.519 out of here, bro. Yeah, but uh, you know, I 645 00:28:23.680 --> 00:28:25.920 I was just like all right, so like that's gonna 646 00:28:25.920 --> 00:28:28.160 be a hard one. And then like they mentioned another one. 647 00:28:28.160 --> 00:28:30.880 I think it's the eighth because I had actually spoken 648 00:28:30.920 --> 00:28:35.519 to somebody, Paul. He's actually funny dude. He's been on 649 00:28:35.839 --> 00:28:39.640 Tyrone show. He's actually been on my show before too. Uh. 650 00:28:39.720 --> 00:28:42.039 He would used to be heavily into the OTO and 651 00:28:42.079 --> 00:28:43.680 even remember I think of the lodge that I used 652 00:28:43.680 --> 00:28:46.640 to go to, and he kind of confirmed it for me. 653 00:28:46.680 --> 00:28:47.880 I don't know if it was on the air or 654 00:28:47.960 --> 00:28:49.920 off the air, but like in the eighth degree, they 655 00:28:50.000 --> 00:28:54.160 do tell you that if your dude take that degree, 656 00:28:54.200 --> 00:28:58.319 you're signing everything over to the OTO of yours. Oh wow, 657 00:28:58.599 --> 00:29:00.319 but now if you stay See this is the thing. 658 00:29:00.319 --> 00:29:02.279 I don't know if everybody knows, because this was why Paul. 659 00:29:03.640 --> 00:29:05.519 I had somebody on the show that claimed that they 660 00:29:05.599 --> 00:29:08.880 used to be a tenth degree OTO member, and Paul 661 00:29:08.960 --> 00:29:11.640 told me he highly doubts that they stopped that tenth 662 00:29:11.720 --> 00:29:14.279 degree because when you go to tenth degree, everybody who 663 00:29:14.359 --> 00:29:17.039 gave up their ship in the eighth degree gets split 664 00:29:17.119 --> 00:29:19.319 among the tenth degree members, So why would you want 665 00:29:19.319 --> 00:29:22.839 to give all that up? Yeah? So I was like, yo, 666 00:29:23.079 --> 00:29:25.359 you so like that's another mind fuck. But like yo, 667 00:29:25.440 --> 00:29:27.839 as soon as they said signing your shit over. I 668 00:29:27.920 --> 00:29:29.440 even remember like I looked to my side to my 669 00:29:29.480 --> 00:29:33.039 boy Jordan because I had taken me and my boy 670 00:29:33.119 --> 00:29:35.319 Jordan and another girl. It was just weird how the 671 00:29:35.440 --> 00:29:38.480 three of us actually did all our initiations together, like 672 00:29:38.519 --> 00:29:40.880 going up and so I remember like Jordan was there 673 00:29:40.920 --> 00:29:42.160 with me, and I just like kind of like looked 674 00:29:42.160 --> 00:29:43.400 at him and looked at me, and I was just 675 00:29:43.480 --> 00:29:46.440 like yo, Like afterwards, I was like, yo, you know, 676 00:29:46.519 --> 00:29:48.559 that's like this is a cult if we go that far. 677 00:29:48.640 --> 00:29:48.839 Dude. 678 00:29:48.960 --> 00:29:51.200 Yeah, I said, that's this is a fucking cult. Bro. 679 00:29:52.160 --> 00:29:54.799 I was like I can't do this, you know. And 680 00:29:54.920 --> 00:29:55.519 he ended up. 681 00:29:55.400 --> 00:29:59.839 Staying and then your worldly possessions. 682 00:29:59.519 --> 00:30:06.000 Yeah, I was just like a bridge too far. Yeah yeah. 683 00:30:06.039 --> 00:30:07.720 Oh yeah. So like now one of the things for 684 00:30:07.759 --> 00:30:10.559 the second degree that you could do, like so you 685 00:30:10.599 --> 00:30:12.279 don't have to do it, but it was like something 686 00:30:12.319 --> 00:30:14.839 that was available for people in the second degree is like, uh, 687 00:30:15.200 --> 00:30:19.160 you know, whatever service was. I thought I had spoken 688 00:30:19.200 --> 00:30:21.839 to somebody, well I forgot what the name of it was, 689 00:30:21.880 --> 00:30:23.920 but like basically you get in touch with like the 690 00:30:23.960 --> 00:30:27.559 outer head guy, like the main guy uh Sabazius. I 691 00:30:27.599 --> 00:30:30.680 can't remember his fucking name. This guy's the weird names 692 00:30:30.680 --> 00:30:32.759 you got. One guy calls him Beta something. It's like, 693 00:30:32.759 --> 00:30:36.359 what the fuck calls himself a beta, like like out 694 00:30:36.359 --> 00:30:38.400 of Beta, I mean, some weird shit. It's like some 695 00:30:38.480 --> 00:30:40.920 fucking whatever. So this other do it. So it's like 696 00:30:40.920 --> 00:30:42.240 I was told, like, oh, yeah, you gotta talk to 697 00:30:42.319 --> 00:30:43.880 him once a month and you basically just keep him 698 00:30:43.920 --> 00:30:45.359 up to date about what's going on in the lodge. 699 00:30:45.400 --> 00:30:47.200 There's some bad you know, how's everybody's feeling, you know, 700 00:30:47.240 --> 00:30:49.599 it's going well, blah blah blah. I'm like, oh, yeah, 701 00:30:49.640 --> 00:30:51.359 that sounds easy. And I've talked this is fucking dude 702 00:30:51.400 --> 00:30:54.519 on the Skype once. Oh yeah, I know. But I 703 00:30:54.599 --> 00:30:56.400 was just like, I only got to do this twelve 704 00:30:56.440 --> 00:30:58.359 times a year. I think I could probably pull this off. 705 00:30:58.400 --> 00:31:01.480 I was like, oh see, I did my service and 706 00:31:01.640 --> 00:31:04.319 I knew like, uh again, I was on like thelemic 707 00:31:04.400 --> 00:31:07.720 Facebook groups and I think like I had ask somebody 708 00:31:07.839 --> 00:31:10.119 or something whatever if they've had the experience doing it, 709 00:31:10.799 --> 00:31:12.920 and somebody reached out to me from like another lodge, 710 00:31:12.920 --> 00:31:15.160 and it was a check and we were kind of 711 00:31:15.200 --> 00:31:18.079 like we we weren't friends, but I guess like social 712 00:31:18.119 --> 00:31:21.160 media friends a little bit, and uh, yeah, she had 713 00:31:21.200 --> 00:31:23.319 told me we did it, and I ended up finding 714 00:31:23.359 --> 00:31:25.119 out it was like every week, and I was like, 715 00:31:25.160 --> 00:31:29.000 oh Jesus fucking Christ, you know. And then like even 716 00:31:29.680 --> 00:31:31.759 now again like IM only know who this girl is 717 00:31:31.799 --> 00:31:33.799 really from asking this question, and I guess, you know, 718 00:31:33.839 --> 00:31:36.759 we probably had some chit chat about the oto nothing serious. 719 00:31:36.799 --> 00:31:39.400 But then like they have these things called the notoicon 720 00:31:40.640 --> 00:31:42.839 and that's like every two years. It's like this big Uh. 721 00:31:43.160 --> 00:31:44.960 I guess would be something like the cosmic summon in 722 00:31:45.000 --> 00:31:48.519 a sense, but you know, the OTEO style. And uh, 723 00:31:49.000 --> 00:31:52.519 I was being told that like, oh, normally they only 724 00:31:52.519 --> 00:31:54.960 do it with first degree people. Norvals could go there, 725 00:31:55.000 --> 00:31:57.359 which is like basically you're half a member and you'd 726 00:31:57.359 --> 00:31:59.720 like half and a half out you kind of you 727 00:31:59.799 --> 00:32:02.079 can go to you can go to close the meetings, 728 00:32:02.079 --> 00:32:05.440 but you're not considered a member. Uh, they were allowed 729 00:32:05.480 --> 00:32:08.119 to go, but like supposedly like first degree people, I 730 00:32:08.200 --> 00:32:10.200 was beting told like, oh, if you get the shoulder tap, 731 00:32:11.519 --> 00:32:13.240 this means that the person's probably gonna ask you to 732 00:32:13.240 --> 00:32:14.680 come back to the room and the probably having an 733 00:32:14.720 --> 00:32:17.079 energy And I was like, Yo, what the fuck? And 734 00:32:17.160 --> 00:32:21.400 this girl, this girl asks me, she asks me, no, 735 00:32:21.680 --> 00:32:23.720 I'm just gonna keep it real. This bitch was probably 736 00:32:23.720 --> 00:32:29.359 pushing three hundred, no, lie, fucking gigantic, gigantic. This bitch's 737 00:32:29.359 --> 00:32:33.079 got motherfucker's running trains on her there. Oh god, yo, 738 00:32:33.240 --> 00:32:35.039 and like and I'm like yeah. And she was a 739 00:32:35.079 --> 00:32:37.319 degree higher than me at the time, and I had 740 00:32:37.400 --> 00:32:39.559 even asked. I was like, you have any experience with 741 00:32:39.720 --> 00:32:42.000 like the Pentagram rituals or the hexagram? Was it might 742 00:32:42.000 --> 00:32:43.799 have been the Star Ruby that I was asking about, 743 00:32:44.079 --> 00:32:45.640 because you know, I've been there for a few years 744 00:32:45.680 --> 00:32:47.319 and I'm actually trying to do shit. And she's like, no, 745 00:32:47.400 --> 00:32:50.279 I just started working on Libaresh. I'm like, Yo, that's 746 00:32:50.319 --> 00:32:53.440 a fucking prayer. I'm like, how the fuck are you 747 00:32:53.480 --> 00:32:56.799 out to third degree with no experience in fucking magic? 748 00:32:56.839 --> 00:32:56.920 Oh? 749 00:32:56.960 --> 00:32:59.240 Because your fucking motherfuckers when you go to these things. 750 00:33:00.240 --> 00:33:04.279 What the fuck? I was just like, Yo, So like 751 00:33:04.480 --> 00:33:06.720 that in itself, and then me being told that this 752 00:33:06.759 --> 00:33:08.680 guy wants to talk to you every week. At that point, 753 00:33:08.680 --> 00:33:11.640 what the fuck are you doing your data mining? There's 754 00:33:11.640 --> 00:33:13.079 something that fuck going on here. If you want to 755 00:33:13.119 --> 00:33:15.240 talk to me every week asking me what's going on 756 00:33:15.279 --> 00:33:18.960 in that place. I'm your fucking snitch, you're looking for something. 757 00:33:19.519 --> 00:33:21.400 So that was another thing that turned me off. So, like, 758 00:33:21.640 --> 00:33:24.000 you know, I really didn't obviously I didn't do it, 759 00:33:24.559 --> 00:33:26.759 but it was just like certain things. I was just like, yo, 760 00:33:26.880 --> 00:33:28.880 I don't know, I'm not comfortable anymore with this ship, 761 00:33:29.279 --> 00:33:31.200 you know, slowly even like that's why I even kind 762 00:33:31.200 --> 00:33:35.000 of started to leave. At one point. I was just like, Yo, 763 00:33:35.119 --> 00:33:39.000 this doesn't I don't smell right. I'm sure that room 764 00:33:39.039 --> 00:33:47.720 doesn't either, not afterwards anyway, no fucking man. And I 765 00:33:47.759 --> 00:33:49.839 was just like, yo, I'm like, yo, is it like dudes, 766 00:33:49.880 --> 00:33:51.680 I like think they're the man for banging his bitch 767 00:33:51.680 --> 00:33:55.279 out too, Like what the fuck? Like like who the fuck. 768 00:33:56.720 --> 00:33:57.079 Whatever? 769 00:33:57.480 --> 00:33:59.519 Yeah, I don't know. I was just like, yo, I'm 770 00:33:59.559 --> 00:34:02.079 not I'm like looking, and I'm like, yo, like you 771 00:34:02.119 --> 00:34:05.400 can even pull that off, like no offense. But it's 772 00:34:05.440 --> 00:34:10.639 just like you got regular pretty girls, I can't even 773 00:34:10.679 --> 00:34:12.360 get a guy to talk to them, Like what the 774 00:34:12.400 --> 00:34:18.880 fuck good for her? I guess no, no, but it 775 00:34:18.920 --> 00:34:20.559 was just weird. It was just like, yeah, this is 776 00:34:20.559 --> 00:34:22.119 not for me. This is a little bit much. It's 777 00:34:22.159 --> 00:34:23.119 a little weird. 778 00:34:23.719 --> 00:34:25.679 So yeah, we're starting to get a little strange there 779 00:34:25.679 --> 00:34:26.360 at number three. 780 00:34:28.199 --> 00:34:32.719 Yeah yeah, yeah, but like again like the giving up ship, 781 00:34:32.800 --> 00:34:35.079 the whole wife thing or girlfriend would have to be 782 00:34:35.119 --> 00:34:38.199 in the two. That was for me when I heard 783 00:34:38.239 --> 00:34:41.519 all that, I already knew my time was limited, I 784 00:34:41.679 --> 00:34:43.360 tell you the truth. I'm surprised I even did another 785 00:34:43.360 --> 00:34:46.400 one after that. It was just more like I want, 786 00:34:46.440 --> 00:34:48.119 you know, badge to wear. 787 00:34:49.280 --> 00:34:52.679 Yeah, yeah, you don't want to wear that. 788 00:34:53.039 --> 00:34:54.199 I don't want to wear that badge. 789 00:34:54.400 --> 00:34:54.480 No. 790 00:34:54.599 --> 00:34:57.519 And then there was like even things, well you see 791 00:34:57.559 --> 00:35:01.079 people like I've seen people like they get the Rosicrucian 792 00:35:01.199 --> 00:35:03.440 or something like version of the like or cross on 793 00:35:03.519 --> 00:35:06.159 their chest, like it looks like it's either been burned 794 00:35:06.199 --> 00:35:08.199 in or carved in. And I was and I was 795 00:35:08.280 --> 00:35:11.000 told that that was something that was done on one 796 00:35:11.039 --> 00:35:13.440 of the initiations, and I was like, yeah, I've only 797 00:35:13.480 --> 00:35:15.199 noticed it on women, so I don't know if it 798 00:35:15.280 --> 00:35:16.719 was done on men. But I was just like, yeah, 799 00:35:16.719 --> 00:35:20.360 that I'm not doing it out of here, Like I 800 00:35:20.440 --> 00:35:22.239 knew women that took a certain degree and all of 801 00:35:22.280 --> 00:35:24.039 a sudden they ended up put that ship on their chest. 802 00:35:24.079 --> 00:35:27.079 I was like, oh, that seems to happen to women 803 00:35:27.159 --> 00:35:28.719 that do that degree. 804 00:35:29.079 --> 00:35:32.760 Yeah, yeah, yeah yeah. 805 00:35:32.760 --> 00:35:34.760 I was like, what is this at this point? You 806 00:35:34.840 --> 00:35:37.079 start doing it on the NFI or they're fucking underwear 807 00:35:37.280 --> 00:35:39.960 like the area Kenethine Airey was. 808 00:35:39.880 --> 00:35:47.519 Doing that, yeah, Keith, Yeah, I was like yo or 809 00:35:47.519 --> 00:35:48.000 I was yo. 810 00:35:48.159 --> 00:35:49.639 When I heard that, I was like, yo, did he 811 00:35:49.679 --> 00:35:50.559 get that idea from this? 812 00:35:51.599 --> 00:35:54.480 Maybe maybe. 813 00:35:55.679 --> 00:35:56.320 Everywhere? 814 00:35:56.639 --> 00:35:57.039 Yeah? 815 00:35:57.679 --> 00:36:03.079 What was that chick's name, Alison Mack? Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, 816 00:36:03.159 --> 00:36:04.000 that's a weird story. 817 00:36:04.960 --> 00:36:05.119 Yeah. 818 00:36:05.599 --> 00:36:07.400 Lets you get Rosa Crucian stuff. 819 00:36:07.599 --> 00:36:09.400 I mean, and all of this stuff is like that, 820 00:36:09.559 --> 00:36:12.840 Like its just it can get a little dicey and 821 00:36:13.119 --> 00:36:17.519 there's like a polarity to it. M Like, I've never 822 00:36:17.679 --> 00:36:21.840 known any one group of anyone to all be anything, 823 00:36:21.960 --> 00:36:24.639 you know what I mean. So like I'm not saying 824 00:36:24.679 --> 00:36:27.679 that all lodges are like that, and I'm sure they're 825 00:36:27.719 --> 00:36:31.039 not all like that. And it's the same with like Freemasonry, 826 00:36:31.199 --> 00:36:34.320 like you know, all the Freemasons are out here, they're 827 00:36:34.360 --> 00:36:37.480 Illuminati and they're all eating babies and whatever the whatever. 828 00:36:37.920 --> 00:36:39.920 You know, I've even said that on my own show, 829 00:36:40.159 --> 00:36:43.960 Like I mean, it's even I'll even admit it. People 830 00:36:43.960 --> 00:36:45.440 on my own show. I even think go a little 831 00:36:45.440 --> 00:36:47.559 bit too far with always blaming and pointing the finger 832 00:36:47.599 --> 00:36:49.440 at people, But like, YO like to keep it real. 833 00:36:49.559 --> 00:36:51.760 I mean even when I say this, whenever, if I 834 00:36:51.800 --> 00:36:55.119 cover the Freemasons doing something horrible, like that's probably five 835 00:36:55.280 --> 00:36:58.760 percent of the whole order, is that right? I mean 836 00:36:58.800 --> 00:37:00.559 I had even mentioned because I think somebody was going 837 00:37:00.599 --> 00:37:02.239 on talking about like, I don't know how horrible the 838 00:37:02.239 --> 00:37:04.719 OTO people are, and I was like, dude, most of 839 00:37:04.719 --> 00:37:06.760 them motherfuckers that were in my lodge were scared of 840 00:37:06.840 --> 00:37:09.559 their own shadow. They aren't hurting fucking anybody. I can 841 00:37:09.599 --> 00:37:13.320 tell you that right now, right yeah, Like there were 842 00:37:13.320 --> 00:37:15.400 pussies straight up. I'm just gonna be honest, most of 843 00:37:15.400 --> 00:37:18.440 them were. They're not gonna fucking like. They're not doing 844 00:37:18.480 --> 00:37:20.960 the shit you think they are. It's the people that 845 00:37:21.000 --> 00:37:23.079 I don't fucking know that run the place that probably are. 846 00:37:23.400 --> 00:37:23.599 Right. 847 00:37:23.679 --> 00:37:26.320 So, any organization I always think of, like when they're 848 00:37:26.480 --> 00:37:30.280 you know, when you're throwing shit at the Masons or 849 00:37:30.360 --> 00:37:33.639 like a group like this, is that the fact that 850 00:37:33.679 --> 00:37:36.519 you're there for most people means that you're a follower. 851 00:37:36.840 --> 00:37:39.079 So you're not doing shit, You're just following shit. 852 00:37:39.800 --> 00:37:42.639 Like the other thing too. I think it's funny that 853 00:37:42.679 --> 00:37:47.199 some people, like You'll get uh, a lot of people 854 00:37:47.239 --> 00:37:49.920 are keeping podcasts that will like cover these things, or 855 00:37:51.079 --> 00:37:54.480 they somehow seem to think these people are stupid. I 856 00:37:54.480 --> 00:37:55.960 don't know if it's because like you just want to 857 00:37:56.000 --> 00:37:59.320 talk shit about somebody, you're just jealous. But it's like, 858 00:37:59.360 --> 00:38:01.199 how do we say these people are running the world 859 00:38:01.199 --> 00:38:02.800 and then turn around and call them stupid at the 860 00:38:02.800 --> 00:38:05.760 same time. I don't understand that. Yeah, you know, like 861 00:38:05.800 --> 00:38:09.360 I was like trying to even explain to uh, be honest, 862 00:38:09.400 --> 00:38:11.199 we're trying to explain to my boy Headless on the show. 863 00:38:12.119 --> 00:38:14.119 You know, just from meeting the people at the Cosmic Summit, 864 00:38:14.199 --> 00:38:16.079 I said, just keep it real. There's tons of fucking 865 00:38:16.119 --> 00:38:18.360 Freemasons there, and there's tons of nights Simpler people there, 866 00:38:18.880 --> 00:38:22.400 and they are going to places that we cover. We've 867 00:38:22.400 --> 00:38:24.599 never been there. I've never been to the fucking Pyramids. 868 00:38:25.119 --> 00:38:28.519 These people know more. They're going places, they're doing things, 869 00:38:28.599 --> 00:38:31.480 they're getting their hands dirty in the shit. We gotta 870 00:38:31.519 --> 00:38:34.440 stop sitting here saying they're fucking stupid and they don't 871 00:38:34.480 --> 00:38:37.280 know what they're doing, because if that's the truth, they 872 00:38:37.320 --> 00:38:42.559 wouldn't be controlling things, would they. We're obviously the uneducated ones, right, 873 00:38:42.679 --> 00:38:44.519 So we got to stop thinking we know more and 874 00:38:44.519 --> 00:38:47.400 they're retarded because I hate to say it's not the case. 875 00:38:48.519 --> 00:38:52.239 Yeah, well, we all go through our little conspiracy theory things, 876 00:38:52.280 --> 00:38:55.239 and it seems like that always seems to hit first, 877 00:38:55.840 --> 00:38:58.280 and the fact that most of us do come in 878 00:38:58.320 --> 00:39:01.960 that door and we can't see that the mainstream conspiracy 879 00:39:02.039 --> 00:39:06.119 narrative about them is just that, a mainstream narrative and 880 00:39:06.159 --> 00:39:08.880 everyone's reciting it and it, I mean, it doesn't make 881 00:39:08.960 --> 00:39:12.119 them stop and think about, hey, I'm being fed some 882 00:39:12.280 --> 00:39:14.119 propaganda right now of some sort. 883 00:39:14.199 --> 00:39:15.159 I mean, because it did me. 884 00:39:16.119 --> 00:39:20.400 Sure, Oh, I think it's between that and I just think, like, 885 00:39:20.400 --> 00:39:23.239 like even nowadays, it's like I think people's idea of 886 00:39:23.280 --> 00:39:25.599 magic is like some dude blew another fucking do it 887 00:39:25.679 --> 00:39:28.360 and a demon showed him, Like this isn't what the 888 00:39:28.400 --> 00:39:31.599 fuck happens. Grow the fuck up. This ship is actual 889 00:39:31.719 --> 00:39:36.480 science and you're being mindfucked by sounds and colors. Yeah, yep, 890 00:39:37.440 --> 00:39:38.480 it's just it's just silly. 891 00:39:38.559 --> 00:39:40.159 It's like it's basic stuff. 892 00:39:40.280 --> 00:39:44.280 I mean, when when I first had magical experiences as 893 00:39:44.320 --> 00:39:46.599 you put them, that was one of the first things 894 00:39:46.599 --> 00:39:47.840 that I intuitively knew. 895 00:39:47.840 --> 00:39:50.599 I was like, holy shit, it's all real. 896 00:39:51.519 --> 00:39:53.840 Yeah, but in a totally different way that nobody would 897 00:39:53.840 --> 00:39:56.960 ever think. Yes, yes, yes, fridge. 898 00:39:56.639 --> 00:39:58.800 Here that needs to be made to make this not 899 00:39:58.960 --> 00:39:59.760 so taboo. 900 00:40:00.480 --> 00:40:02.800 Yeah, And I think it was one of the first. 901 00:40:02.760 --> 00:40:05.760 Revelations that I had when I, you know, woke up, 902 00:40:05.880 --> 00:40:08.920 so to put it, you know, that there's a bridge 903 00:40:08.960 --> 00:40:12.280 there that needs to be made. It's not it's not 904 00:40:12.360 --> 00:40:14.800 a bunch of evil baby eating and yeah, it was 905 00:40:14.960 --> 00:40:17.639 actually conspiracy theories are like. 906 00:40:17.679 --> 00:40:20.719 I had even mentioned to uh, you know, Riccardo, and 907 00:40:20.840 --> 00:40:23.679 I don't think Ricardo, I don't think would like guess 908 00:40:23.719 --> 00:40:25.599 my head up or or agree with me just to 909 00:40:25.639 --> 00:40:27.440 agree with me. You know. I think he would be honest, 910 00:40:27.960 --> 00:40:30.159 like Ricardo, you know, he'll tell you what he's thinking. 911 00:40:31.039 --> 00:40:33.559 And he's in straw and he's a smart man. So uh. 912 00:40:33.559 --> 00:40:35.639 But like I had said something like I joke around 913 00:40:35.639 --> 00:40:37.039 and I'm like, yeah, I said it one day when 914 00:40:37.039 --> 00:40:38.280 I had a bunch of dudes on the show. I 915 00:40:38.360 --> 00:40:39.960 was like, yo, if your dick looks like an obelisk, 916 00:40:39.960 --> 00:40:43.559 you've got a fucking problem. Because I don't know anybody's 917 00:40:43.599 --> 00:40:45.159 dick who looks like an obelisk, and I don't know 918 00:40:45.199 --> 00:40:47.880 any girl that's gonna want something like that up in them. 919 00:40:48.079 --> 00:40:51.079 I was like, so maybe, just maybe these things aren't dicks, 920 00:40:51.639 --> 00:40:53.400 and maybe they're actually like if you were to have 921 00:40:53.440 --> 00:40:55.960 a take Scott, like, I haven't put my drone up 922 00:40:56.000 --> 00:40:58.639 over obelisks and you look down at the ground, I 923 00:40:58.679 --> 00:41:01.800 actually swear that that thing's somehow either conducting power from 924 00:41:01.800 --> 00:41:04.639 somewhere and all that ship, all the stuff on the 925 00:41:04.639 --> 00:41:07.920 bottom is actually an electric grade or a power gride. 926 00:41:08.039 --> 00:41:09.800 I said, But people want to sit here and say 927 00:41:09.840 --> 00:41:11.920 it's a dick. It's a dick, it's a dick, it's demonic, 928 00:41:11.960 --> 00:41:13.000 it's a dick. What the fuck? 929 00:41:13.079 --> 00:41:14.880 Grow up? 930 00:41:15.440 --> 00:41:17.480 You're going to be the one of the dubbest people 931 00:41:17.480 --> 00:41:19.159 that are going to turn into a slave because everybody 932 00:41:19.159 --> 00:41:20.599 else is going to realize what the fuck the truth 933 00:41:20.639 --> 00:41:25.679 is in another one hundred years. People like that, That's 934 00:41:25.679 --> 00:41:30.440 what I'm saying, yo. When I literally had people while 935 00:41:30.440 --> 00:41:33.199 aren't circumcised, I'm like, Yo, even a chick was even 936 00:41:33.199 --> 00:41:34.760 trying to say that on my show, God bless Her. 937 00:41:35.000 --> 00:41:36.960 I was like, come on, let's let's let's let's just 938 00:41:37.000 --> 00:41:40.360 say this isn't a fucking dick. Can we get over it? Now? 939 00:41:41.039 --> 00:41:43.880 I know, if you don't understand it and it scares 940 00:41:43.920 --> 00:41:45.800 you or weirds you out, we gotta say it's satan 941 00:41:45.880 --> 00:41:48.639 or sex. I understand that's how people are, but like, 942 00:41:48.679 --> 00:41:51.880 we got to get over that because they like it's 943 00:41:51.960 --> 00:41:55.159 just like how they make it. They make occultism and 944 00:41:55.239 --> 00:41:57.320 magic sounds so fucking simple and dumb. 945 00:41:57.920 --> 00:41:58.400 Mm hmmm. 946 00:41:58.559 --> 00:42:01.559 It's like I just gotta like, what vibrate a demon's 947 00:42:01.639 --> 00:42:04.400 name and funck someone and shit happens? The funk over 948 00:42:04.440 --> 00:42:05.000 it already? 949 00:42:05.599 --> 00:42:06.000 Mm hmm. 950 00:42:06.639 --> 00:42:07.679 It doesn't work like that. 951 00:42:09.119 --> 00:42:09.159 No. 952 00:42:10.719 --> 00:42:12.920 I mean you might be able to maybe pull some 953 00:42:13.039 --> 00:42:16.639 things slight, I don't know, you know, maybe produce some 954 00:42:16.679 --> 00:42:19.159 certain energy to help them. But I come on, I 955 00:42:19.320 --> 00:42:25.440 just I just find they're funny. 956 00:42:23.920 --> 00:42:24.159 You know. 957 00:42:24.239 --> 00:42:27.599 I just I just was like, Yo, what's people's idea 958 00:42:27.599 --> 00:42:29.920 of like, what's really going on in these places? Is 959 00:42:30.360 --> 00:42:32.119 it's probably the faallest from the truth. 960 00:42:33.039 --> 00:42:37.880 Yeah, it's all demons, like he posted the other demons. 961 00:42:39.599 --> 00:42:45.159 Everything's the process to Yeah, it's fucking weird out there, no, 962 00:42:45.239 --> 00:42:50.119 but you know it's I I do believe is even 963 00:42:50.199 --> 00:42:52.280 more of a reason why I brought Ricardo onto the show, 964 00:42:52.320 --> 00:42:57.119 and like even Lisa, is because I actually do believe 965 00:42:57.119 --> 00:42:59.679 when it comes to occult as in a magic science 966 00:43:00.159 --> 00:43:04.639 actually huge. I think these people understood science for hundreds 967 00:43:04.679 --> 00:43:07.519 and hundreds of years. There's people that I've covered on 968 00:43:07.559 --> 00:43:09.760 the show that I've done solo or I've covered with 969 00:43:09.800 --> 00:43:14.559 Lisa older occultists, going back, you know, twelve hundred and on. 970 00:43:14.679 --> 00:43:17.559 But like especially around like the fifteen to seventeen hundreds, 971 00:43:17.800 --> 00:43:22.440 you had tons of people men and women, covering eyeballs, 972 00:43:22.880 --> 00:43:26.840 drawing them the brain in occult books. So like why 973 00:43:26.960 --> 00:43:30.079 is all this shit nervous system? Blood? I mean Robert 974 00:43:30.079 --> 00:43:32.320 Flood was one of the people that actually came kind 975 00:43:32.360 --> 00:43:34.320 of came up with blood pressure and being able to 976 00:43:34.320 --> 00:43:37.239 do that shit. You know, they had breakthroughs with like 977 00:43:37.280 --> 00:43:39.880 you know, optical shit, and it's just like, you know, 978 00:43:41.000 --> 00:43:43.639 if they were into this, like like you know, why 979 00:43:43.679 --> 00:43:46.679 have we stopped looking into this stuff? You know, it's 980 00:43:46.719 --> 00:43:50.199 just like when I it's just something happened. And you 981 00:43:50.239 --> 00:43:52.280 know another thing too. It's like, even as I'm covering 982 00:43:52.360 --> 00:43:56.360 these people, I will see, like my honest opinion, Crowley, 983 00:43:56.599 --> 00:43:58.039 how do the guy from the temple is set on 984 00:43:58.119 --> 00:44:01.360 Toby Chappelle, and he had called him a master of synthesis. 985 00:44:01.440 --> 00:44:02.800 So I don't want to take his you know, take 986 00:44:02.840 --> 00:44:05.239 his thunder with that line. But I think he nailed 987 00:44:05.239 --> 00:44:08.599 it with that because he basically robbed all these other dudes, 988 00:44:08.639 --> 00:44:11.159 and now he may have understood what they were saying. 989 00:44:11.159 --> 00:44:13.519 I'm not saying he didn't. I think he had his 990 00:44:13.559 --> 00:44:15.960 own experiences and that's how he understood what a lot 991 00:44:15.960 --> 00:44:18.360 of these men were saying and women. He took a 992 00:44:18.360 --> 00:44:21.400 lot of their ideas and kind of like made his own, 993 00:44:21.920 --> 00:44:24.639 which I'll be totally that's exactly what I do with 994 00:44:24.679 --> 00:44:26.920 a lot of my art. Some of them might even 995 00:44:26.960 --> 00:44:29.000 go back to a band that I liked, Iron Maiden 996 00:44:29.639 --> 00:44:32.519 or def Leppard, or I may take certain old occult 997 00:44:32.559 --> 00:44:34.719 ideas from another occultists and mix it in with this 998 00:44:34.800 --> 00:44:37.760 type of artistic look from a certain album. So I mean, 999 00:44:37.800 --> 00:44:41.679 I'm doing the same shit. But like he basically like 1000 00:44:42.679 --> 00:44:44.079 I forgot where I was going with this, but like 1001 00:44:44.440 --> 00:44:46.599 he basically was, Oh, he was basically taking from the 1002 00:44:46.639 --> 00:44:49.199 same people from the sixteen seventeen hundreds that were looking 1003 00:44:49.199 --> 00:44:52.719 into this shit and like kind of reusing their stuff. 1004 00:44:52.760 --> 00:44:54.079 And the what I'm getting at is the way he 1005 00:44:54.119 --> 00:44:55.840 was able to do that is because nobody knew about 1006 00:44:55.840 --> 00:45:00.360 those motherfuckers. They forgot about Yeah. Yeah, No, like all 1007 00:45:00.400 --> 00:45:03.039 we do is have everybody blaming Croley or John d 1008 00:45:03.199 --> 00:45:06.159 It's like you gotta go back like hundreds of years earlier. 1009 00:45:06.480 --> 00:45:09.400 Yeah, it's like there's been a deliberate sabotage. 1010 00:45:09.480 --> 00:45:09.679 You know. 1011 00:45:10.199 --> 00:45:12.719 Yes, I would say, yeah, I would even so it's 1012 00:45:12.760 --> 00:45:14.920 probably the same shit that was going on one hundred 1013 00:45:15.000 --> 00:45:17.159 years ago when Crowley and Plovotski was around. We could 1014 00:45:17.199 --> 00:45:20.760 rip off all these older people and redo all their 1015 00:45:20.840 --> 00:45:23.760 older shit and rebrand it because nobody knows who the 1016 00:45:23.760 --> 00:45:27.239 fuck they are anymore because they're so stuck on Dixon demons. 1017 00:45:28.000 --> 00:45:30.920 Yeah, and they don't understand like the core base principles 1018 00:45:30.920 --> 00:45:33.039 of anything. And it's all been kind of kai bosh 1019 00:45:33.119 --> 00:45:37.519 with the with mixing it into making it seem stupid, 1020 00:45:39.000 --> 00:45:41.559 you know, and taking away the validity of the science 1021 00:45:41.599 --> 00:45:42.480 underneath everything. 1022 00:45:42.800 --> 00:45:43.599 Yeah, for sure. 1023 00:45:43.960 --> 00:45:45.599 I mean what's funny too, And it's like, yeah, I 1024 00:45:45.599 --> 00:45:47.719 look back now and I think about it because of 1025 00:45:47.719 --> 00:45:49.599 the way the world is now is like this just 1026 00:45:49.719 --> 00:45:53.800 be like tucking shit to get attention like you're like, 1027 00:45:54.079 --> 00:45:55.840 I feel like we see that with politics right now. 1028 00:45:55.840 --> 00:45:58.360 But like even back in the day, Croley blamed Leovotsky 1029 00:45:58.400 --> 00:46:02.880 for being the Jack the Ripper. Yeah, so it's just like, yo, 1030 00:46:03.159 --> 00:46:05.440 was that shit actual legit? Or was that Like Yo, 1031 00:46:05.480 --> 00:46:07.639 let's just fuck around and get some attention and we 1032 00:46:07.719 --> 00:46:11.239 bring up our names, you know, so people repeat it 1033 00:46:12.119 --> 00:46:14.960 because like I've even said too, Kanye West, that guy 1034 00:46:15.039 --> 00:46:17.039 is crazy. He's lost his mind. But the thing is 1035 00:46:17.079 --> 00:46:19.400 he's not stupid. As long as people keep talking about him, 1036 00:46:19.440 --> 00:46:21.559 regardless if it's good or bad, he remains a god 1037 00:46:21.599 --> 00:46:25.039 in millions of people's heads. That's right. He will die 1038 00:46:25.039 --> 00:46:27.840 and people will remember who Kanye West was, regardless if 1039 00:46:27.880 --> 00:46:31.039 he was crazy, good music, whatever, and he will remain 1040 00:46:31.400 --> 00:46:33.679 still being. He'll be in egregorre after he does so 1041 00:46:33.880 --> 00:46:37.960 Elon Musk Immortal. Yes, that's why I say like it's 1042 00:46:37.960 --> 00:46:40.199 an occultist. Like there's been times I'll be honest where 1043 00:46:40.239 --> 00:46:43.800 I've kind of shown my ass just to get my 1044 00:46:43.880 --> 00:46:47.519 name known. Because I've said before, everybody's heads a fucking 1045 00:46:47.519 --> 00:46:49.159 filing cabin, and I want to open it up and 1046 00:46:49.199 --> 00:46:51.679 drop the occult rejects in there. One folder I don't 1047 00:46:51.679 --> 00:46:53.119 care as long as you know why I exist in 1048 00:46:53.159 --> 00:46:55.280 the show exists. Yeah, that's even some of the guests 1049 00:46:55.320 --> 00:46:55.639 I have on. 1050 00:46:55.719 --> 00:46:57.440 I don't even agree basic marketing. 1051 00:46:57.599 --> 00:46:59.760 I don't even agree with some of the occult guests 1052 00:46:59.760 --> 00:47:03.039 I had on recently. I don't like who they aspire to. 1053 00:47:03.480 --> 00:47:06.000 You know, I had people that actually was very close 1054 00:47:06.039 --> 00:47:09.079 to Michael Aquino. I had two guests that are actually 1055 00:47:09.119 --> 00:47:11.280 friends with him, and I did not agree with that. 1056 00:47:11.360 --> 00:47:14.840 I don't like, you know whatever, But I had them 1057 00:47:14.840 --> 00:47:16.280 on because there call. I forgot where I was going 1058 00:47:16.280 --> 00:47:18.000 with that, but I had them on just you know, 1059 00:47:18.000 --> 00:47:21.000 they were occultists. But you know, I fuck, I forgot. 1060 00:47:21.039 --> 00:47:23.639 I lost my trying to throw with that. So that's 1061 00:47:23.639 --> 00:47:30.559 something I was getting too. Then we started kicking right well. 1062 00:47:30.840 --> 00:47:33.039 I mentioned to you the other day that we do 1063 00:47:33.079 --> 00:47:37.760 a segment called Universal Truth. Did you think about a 1064 00:47:37.880 --> 00:47:41.559 universal truth for our lists that were comprising? 1065 00:47:42.760 --> 00:47:45.119 This goes on the Immortal List. So you have to 1066 00:47:45.159 --> 00:47:46.320 be sure about what you say. 1067 00:47:46.960 --> 00:47:49.039 It's got to be good. It's got to be a 1068 00:47:49.079 --> 00:47:49.559 good one. 1069 00:47:50.760 --> 00:47:52.559 See. Mean the thing is, like I was thinking about 1070 00:47:52.639 --> 00:47:55.519 that and like you think, is it's a truth for me? 1071 00:47:55.639 --> 00:47:57.079 I don't know, Like it's supposed to be like a 1072 00:47:57.119 --> 00:47:58.920 truth for everybody, you know what I'm saying. 1073 00:47:59.039 --> 00:48:00.119 Yeah, but it's just for you. 1074 00:48:00.039 --> 00:48:06.559 You kind of like what, like what what universal truth 1075 00:48:06.679 --> 00:48:10.840 would speak to like your core spiritual belief. 1076 00:48:12.199 --> 00:48:14.559 Something like that, the course of your. 1077 00:48:14.480 --> 00:48:18.199 Laugh what what one liner could get you through just 1078 00:48:18.239 --> 00:48:19.440 about any situation? 1079 00:48:19.679 --> 00:48:21.480 What's the most important thing? 1080 00:48:25.039 --> 00:48:27.000 Well, as a magician, I think the most important thing 1081 00:48:27.039 --> 00:48:31.639 is to have an experience with God. And then after 1082 00:48:31.679 --> 00:48:34.000 I tell all the people to have that same experience. 1083 00:48:36.119 --> 00:48:38.639 It sounds like, you know, it's gonna sound real cheesy. 1084 00:48:38.679 --> 00:48:41.239 It's almost like aa again, I'm bringing that back up, 1085 00:48:41.239 --> 00:48:43.280 And I do question if Crawley had a hand in 1086 00:48:43.360 --> 00:48:43.840 that as well. 1087 00:48:44.719 --> 00:48:47.239 Uh probably the structure, right. 1088 00:48:47.079 --> 00:48:48.880 They tell you, you know, you get sober, and then 1089 00:48:48.920 --> 00:48:50.880 you go out and tell all the alcoholics how you 1090 00:48:50.880 --> 00:48:55.480 get sober? You should share the experience, I think is 1091 00:48:55.599 --> 00:48:57.599 very much the same way. I think when a magician 1092 00:48:57.679 --> 00:49:00.559 has their experience when they cross the abyss. This is 1093 00:49:00.639 --> 00:49:03.800 just me. I think this is when the skills for 1094 00:49:03.920 --> 00:49:05.760 the judgment really comes in, because it's like, what am 1095 00:49:05.760 --> 00:49:07.440 I going to do with this gift that God gave me? 1096 00:49:07.599 --> 00:49:09.480 Am I going to go and tell others about it 1097 00:49:09.519 --> 00:49:11.760 and tell people about God, or am I going to 1098 00:49:11.800 --> 00:49:15.480 make money fairy tales and stories out of this? Am 1099 00:49:15.480 --> 00:49:18.679 I gonna mind fuck people? I think unfortunately most people 1100 00:49:19.119 --> 00:49:25.000 choose the latter. But uh, that's my opinion. My opinion. 1101 00:49:25.079 --> 00:49:27.000 I think when you have a magical experience, you know, 1102 00:49:27.320 --> 00:49:29.559 if you're going to do the right thing, you're supposed 1103 00:49:29.559 --> 00:49:31.039 to share that with another person and let them know 1104 00:49:31.079 --> 00:49:32.400 that they can experience it as well. 1105 00:49:34.639 --> 00:49:37.119 I would even say that that's at least part of 1106 00:49:37.159 --> 00:49:41.400 the meaning of life, you know, is to have an 1107 00:49:41.480 --> 00:49:43.960 experience with God or whatever you want to call it, 1108 00:49:44.239 --> 00:49:47.719 and to share that experience with other people and most 1109 00:49:47.800 --> 00:49:48.719 like a litmus test. 1110 00:49:49.639 --> 00:49:51.480 And I it's just from my experience, when you have 1111 00:49:51.519 --> 00:49:55.039 those experiences, you will even like be blessed with knowing 1112 00:49:55.079 --> 00:49:58.360 things you didn't know prior. You know, so like even 1113 00:49:58.360 --> 00:50:01.920 in some ways it's just like, you know, God gave 1114 00:50:01.920 --> 00:50:03.400 you that gift and you decide to be a piece 1115 00:50:03.440 --> 00:50:04.880 of shit with it, Like what the fuck? Man? 1116 00:50:06.000 --> 00:50:07.159 Yeah, that's a lot of people. 1117 00:50:07.639 --> 00:50:12.480 Yeah, that's pretty said. Yeah, it's freaky. 1118 00:50:12.559 --> 00:50:14.960 Well they want to ignore it or explain it away 1119 00:50:15.159 --> 00:50:19.079 or because I mean, it's not an easy path to walk, 1120 00:50:19.400 --> 00:50:22.519 and I mean I fell into it completely oblivious to 1121 00:50:22.599 --> 00:50:24.239 it all, like, and I know it now is like 1122 00:50:24.280 --> 00:50:28.960 a like a spontaneous awakening or something like that. I mean, 1123 00:50:29.000 --> 00:50:31.000 I went to bed one day and I woke up different. 1124 00:50:31.920 --> 00:50:37.679 And so yeah, it's it's a tough path to walk alone. 1125 00:50:37.719 --> 00:50:39.920 And is it's easier to shut the door on it, 1126 00:50:39.960 --> 00:50:43.599 and you know that's the devil Sarah or whatever the 1127 00:50:43.599 --> 00:50:47.400 hell the family said, like, but I mean, you have 1128 00:50:47.480 --> 00:50:50.400 to have to commit to it every day and commit 1129 00:50:50.440 --> 00:50:54.480 to understanding it better every day, and it's something that 1130 00:50:54.559 --> 00:50:56.000 you are mostly going to do alone. 1131 00:50:56.079 --> 00:50:57.159 Because I did the same thing. 1132 00:50:57.199 --> 00:50:59.400 I looked at secret societies was one of the first 1133 00:50:59.440 --> 00:51:01.880 things I did it. I was like, I need other 1134 00:51:01.920 --> 00:51:06.440 people who understand this, and what made sense was like 1135 00:51:06.639 --> 00:51:09.760 Masonic imagery and stuff, and I'm like, I'm seeing this 1136 00:51:09.920 --> 00:51:12.719 in my dreams at night and I have no context 1137 00:51:12.719 --> 00:51:15.599 of what any of this is about, so like it's 1138 00:51:15.719 --> 00:51:20.039 just my own mystery. And that's what's great about right 1139 00:51:20.079 --> 00:51:22.000 now is I can talk to people like you who 1140 00:51:22.079 --> 00:51:24.760 have been through something similar, and like you have people 1141 00:51:24.800 --> 00:51:27.440 on your show who have been through something similar. It's 1142 00:51:27.960 --> 00:51:30.039 that's my own journey that I'm trying to get to 1143 00:51:30.079 --> 00:51:33.440 the bottom of two so like on this show, like 1144 00:51:34.000 --> 00:51:36.280 I'm not really a history person, I'm trying to figure 1145 00:51:36.320 --> 00:51:40.159 something out, you know, I'm trying to figure something out 1146 00:51:40.199 --> 00:51:44.000 real quick. So yeah, I would agree that that's the 1147 00:51:44.159 --> 00:51:46.800 that's the meaning of life is to have these experiences 1148 00:51:46.840 --> 00:51:48.199 and to share it with other people. 1149 00:51:49.159 --> 00:51:52.599 I think be liberating for the human reason. It rilled 1150 00:51:52.639 --> 00:51:53.039 a change. 1151 00:51:55.000 --> 00:51:58.119 That's the word I heard in my head. So yeah, 1152 00:51:58.199 --> 00:51:58.679 I agree. 1153 00:51:59.440 --> 00:52:01.400 I mean even from I don't know, like I don't 1154 00:52:01.400 --> 00:52:03.000 know your guy's opinions on it, but like I know 1155 00:52:03.039 --> 00:52:05.719 you had said, like, you know, like should change drastically. 1156 00:52:05.760 --> 00:52:09.480 Even after I had my magical experiences, I was like, 1157 00:52:10.119 --> 00:52:12.239 I can't even look at UFOs and aliens the same 1158 00:52:12.280 --> 00:52:19.000 way anymore. I don't believe that's really what we're Yeah, 1159 00:52:19.119 --> 00:52:21.039 I was just like, I don't know, there's just a lot. 1160 00:52:21.239 --> 00:52:23.800 I mean, I will even say, you know, this is 1161 00:52:23.800 --> 00:52:27.400 something I say a lot when I've had magical experiences 1162 00:52:27.440 --> 00:52:29.800 and you I open up my eyes and know things. 1163 00:52:30.719 --> 00:52:32.719 It's not even a faith, it's like a knowing. It's 1164 00:52:32.719 --> 00:52:36.280 almost like you even hear what's being thought in your head, reverberating, 1165 00:52:36.320 --> 00:52:38.480 like a bell or some shit, or you see visions 1166 00:52:39.000 --> 00:52:42.280 that's confirming these thoughts. There's a lot of true. There 1167 00:52:42.400 --> 00:52:46.039 was some truths that ever for me that I wasn't 1168 00:52:46.280 --> 00:52:51.079 even mentally really prepared to handle either. So it's like 1169 00:52:51.119 --> 00:52:53.920 that's even kind of like a little you might have 1170 00:52:53.960 --> 00:52:56.400 to be like mentally fit kind of to even deal with. 1171 00:52:56.480 --> 00:52:58.880 Sometimes the God may tell you things you didn't ask 1172 00:52:59.079 --> 00:53:00.679 him to tell you, but he's gonna tell you anyway. 1173 00:53:01.719 --> 00:53:04.000 You know, you might be like a hard pill of swallow. 1174 00:53:04.000 --> 00:53:06.039 You're like, fuck, dude, you just lean some heavy shit 1175 00:53:06.079 --> 00:53:09.239 on me. Man, Like fuck yeah, and you need time 1176 00:53:09.280 --> 00:53:12.360 to really I know, I made a praid. It's just 1177 00:53:12.480 --> 00:53:15.000 told you a million times. I want to have a 1178 00:53:15.039 --> 00:53:17.400 conversation with you, but like, fuck dude, like I wasn't 1179 00:53:17.599 --> 00:53:20.360 not all that right. We're gonna left that out for 1180 00:53:20.400 --> 00:53:20.960 the second one. 1181 00:53:21.480 --> 00:53:22.239 Take something back. 1182 00:53:22.440 --> 00:53:25.800 Yeah, Yeah, He's like, you got what you asked for. 1183 00:53:25.840 --> 00:53:28.800 A boy, you can't unsee it, though, so you have 1184 00:53:28.880 --> 00:53:31.199 to figure out how to integrate it into your being. 1185 00:53:31.599 --> 00:53:31.679 Ye. 1186 00:53:31.800 --> 00:53:33.800 Yeah, And that's the hardest part of it all is 1187 00:53:33.960 --> 00:53:37.960 just having it reshaped constantly, And the more it gets reshaped, 1188 00:53:38.000 --> 00:53:41.079 the less that you can relate to other people around you. 1189 00:53:41.159 --> 00:53:44.239 And that's the oscillating part of it, is that they're 1190 00:53:44.320 --> 00:53:46.960 still talking about six six six is the devil and 1191 00:53:47.000 --> 00:53:49.079 all this shit, and I'm like, why is it on 1192 00:53:49.199 --> 00:53:51.960 my coffeemaker? Then every time I look at it, like 1193 00:53:52.639 --> 00:53:56.000 why are all these like signs and synchronicities jumping out 1194 00:53:56.000 --> 00:53:56.320 at me? 1195 00:53:56.440 --> 00:53:58.320 And I was gonna saw a pimping that number out 1196 00:53:58.400 --> 00:54:00.480 just to like say like fuck it, Like I just 1197 00:54:00.480 --> 00:54:02.480 want to. I want people to like start becoming to 1198 00:54:02.559 --> 00:54:05.800 desensitized to it because I don't believe that it's actually 1199 00:54:05.840 --> 00:54:06.519 anything bad. 1200 00:54:06.599 --> 00:54:08.320 So no, I don't. 1201 00:54:08.480 --> 00:54:09.239 I don't think it is. 1202 00:54:10.519 --> 00:54:12.239 I hate to say me like, oh my god, what's 1203 00:54:12.239 --> 00:54:15.679 he saying? But yeah, I my opinion. You probably may 1204 00:54:15.679 --> 00:54:16.960 have heard it before and I want to get into 1205 00:54:17.000 --> 00:54:18.559 it too much, but I actually think that goes back. 1206 00:54:18.559 --> 00:54:21.280 I mean multiple lighted things, but I think one of 1207 00:54:21.320 --> 00:54:24.199 them is actually referring to the eyeball. So it's like 1208 00:54:24.239 --> 00:54:26.000 to me at that point, I'm like, I don't understand 1209 00:54:26.000 --> 00:54:29.920 how this is evil, Like it's about talking about my 1210 00:54:29.920 --> 00:54:32.840 my pupil dilating, which I could do that depending if 1211 00:54:32.880 --> 00:54:34.239 I'm looking at light or not, Like you know what 1212 00:54:34.239 --> 00:54:37.400 I'm saying, like, it's hard to explain, but I'm just 1213 00:54:38.840 --> 00:54:44.000 I don't I sometimes think that that you need to 1214 00:54:44.039 --> 00:54:46.840 have the beast within you and you need to awaken it. 1215 00:54:46.960 --> 00:54:49.199 I think, to break out of the chains that you're 1216 00:54:49.199 --> 00:54:52.280 in to have a magical experience. So, you know, so 1217 00:54:52.320 --> 00:54:54.559 it's even harder for me to look at that associated 1218 00:54:54.599 --> 00:54:58.639 with the beast as a as a bad thing. You know, 1219 00:54:58.679 --> 00:55:03.199 I think maybe if you unchained, like with no leash whatsoever. 1220 00:55:03.599 --> 00:55:05.840 You know, he's got to have his companion. The whore 1221 00:55:05.840 --> 00:55:07.440 has gotta be there, right, She'll make sure he's a 1222 00:55:07.440 --> 00:55:09.880 little tame and he works on. You know, everything goes okay. 1223 00:55:10.679 --> 00:55:14.440 You know, she got him off, he's okay, he's in 1224 00:55:14.480 --> 00:55:17.800 a good mood. He's relaxed. Now, you know, everything could 1225 00:55:17.840 --> 00:55:20.320 just yeah, yeah, he's got some clarity. 1226 00:55:20.360 --> 00:55:20.519 Now. 1227 00:55:20.840 --> 00:55:22.719 Yeah, it's not just gonna be you know, killing everything 1228 00:55:22.760 --> 00:55:24.719 for no reason. There'll be a reason behind it. But 1229 00:55:24.800 --> 00:55:28.000 you know what I'm saying, it's just I don't necessarily 1230 00:55:28.039 --> 00:55:32.639 see those things as a bad thing. I actually believe 1231 00:55:32.679 --> 00:55:35.840 this is my opinion. Even when you get into you know, 1232 00:55:35.880 --> 00:55:38.119 that part of the Bible where that's bringing up, I 1233 00:55:38.199 --> 00:55:40.880 actually think that's somebody crossing the Abyss and that's their experience. 1234 00:55:41.519 --> 00:55:42.320 M yeah. 1235 00:55:43.280 --> 00:55:45.199 I think that's one interpretation of it. 1236 00:55:45.280 --> 00:55:50.199 And you know, the Church has really solidified how we 1237 00:55:50.239 --> 00:55:54.599 should all feel about everything, and I think that's gonna 1238 00:55:54.599 --> 00:55:55.880 be really hard to overcome. 1239 00:55:56.480 --> 00:55:59.679 Well, let's given another thing. 1240 00:56:00.119 --> 00:56:01.880 When I was talking about these people, like some of 1241 00:56:01.920 --> 00:56:03.960 these people that I was talking about that like we're 1242 00:56:04.000 --> 00:56:06.559 big into uh you know, the body or even like 1243 00:56:06.679 --> 00:56:09.159 huge with like hermeticism. They were in the Catholic Church, 1244 00:56:09.280 --> 00:56:12.760 and the Catholic Church entertained this ship at some point, yes, 1245 00:56:13.119 --> 00:56:16.559 like they entertained Kabbala. They allowed people to start looking 1246 00:56:16.599 --> 00:56:19.400 at Kabala and trying to integrate it into Catholicism because 1247 00:56:19.400 --> 00:56:22.000 they started seeing this ship works and this ship helps 1248 00:56:22.280 --> 00:56:22.679 mm hmm. 1249 00:56:22.880 --> 00:56:23.119 Yeah. 1250 00:56:23.199 --> 00:56:25.519 And then all of a sudden, no, no more. Yeah, 1251 00:56:25.559 --> 00:56:27.880 we'll be talking about this. It should changed. That's why 1252 00:56:27.920 --> 00:56:29.400 I was trying, not that I'm trying to like promote 1253 00:56:29.400 --> 00:56:31.800 the Catholic Church, but at one point they seem to 1254 00:56:31.800 --> 00:56:34.840 be onto something and then all of a sudden, and 1255 00:56:34.880 --> 00:56:38.199 then after that, the Rosicrucians started popping up, which I 1256 00:56:38.239 --> 00:56:46.320 think was kind of a pushback to the censorship of occultism. 1257 00:56:43.679 --> 00:56:48.360 Could be or history could be propaganda, the same as 1258 00:56:48.440 --> 00:56:50.280 news is today. I mean we will never know. 1259 00:56:51.440 --> 00:56:58.559 Yeah that's true in reality, right, Like what you see 1260 00:56:59.840 --> 00:57:00.880 is really what's going. 1261 00:57:00.719 --> 00:57:02.760 On, I tell you the truth. I even I do 1262 00:57:02.840 --> 00:57:06.039 highly suspect even old news, like old stories and old books. 1263 00:57:06.079 --> 00:57:08.840 It's like, how do we know these things real? Well? 1264 00:57:08.880 --> 00:57:11.199 This history is correct because there's like a lot of 1265 00:57:11.239 --> 00:57:13.400 ocultist I'll even throw like Aliceta Crowley and then some 1266 00:57:13.440 --> 00:57:14.880 of his stories it's like, oh, if you look at 1267 00:57:14.880 --> 00:57:17.039 this in that a could lens, it makes more sense. 1268 00:57:17.079 --> 00:57:20.239 And it's just like is this a ciphered message or 1269 00:57:20.280 --> 00:57:23.239 a siphered story? You know? So I even wonder that 1270 00:57:23.320 --> 00:57:25.880 about like other it's just like you, like even me 1271 00:57:25.960 --> 00:57:28.920 and Lisa when we have covered a lot of old occultists, 1272 00:57:28.960 --> 00:57:31.639 it's just like you see almost like certain things repeating, 1273 00:57:31.679 --> 00:57:35.519 and it's just like are these stories or is this real? 1274 00:57:36.159 --> 00:57:38.079 You know, these stories that are being handed to us 1275 00:57:38.119 --> 00:57:41.159 for us to find the information. It's almost like I 1276 00:57:41.199 --> 00:57:42.880 hate to say, it's almost like you staw wondering because 1277 00:57:42.880 --> 00:57:44.880 everything just basically it's like ada three three oh one 1278 00:57:45.719 --> 00:57:50.039 mm yeah, because I mean like certain side, certain orders, 1279 00:57:50.039 --> 00:57:52.000 have their own ciphers and shit, and you start wondering 1280 00:57:52.039 --> 00:57:53.960 if there's like a lot of like what was that 1281 00:57:54.039 --> 00:57:56.239 like Angels and Demons whatever the fuck those movies were 1282 00:57:56.639 --> 00:57:58.519 where it's like basically like at the end, like you 1283 00:57:58.519 --> 00:58:00.400 know you're gonna come to like find in the group 1284 00:58:00.480 --> 00:58:02.480 that's I kind of sent you want to fucking you 1285 00:58:02.519 --> 00:58:04.000 know trail to go find something. 1286 00:58:05.199 --> 00:58:05.559 Yeah. 1287 00:58:05.719 --> 00:58:08.000 Yeah, I mean, look look at what Scott Walter's going 1288 00:58:08.000 --> 00:58:11.280 through right now. You know how they deciphered this ship 1289 00:58:11.280 --> 00:58:12.760 and they found sup poles. They are going to find 1290 00:58:12.760 --> 00:58:15.920 all this stuff. Yeah, I mean you think about it. 1291 00:58:15.920 --> 00:58:17.679 They had to decipher something that came you know what 1292 00:58:17.719 --> 00:58:20.519 I'm saying like that, could you know what I'm saying, 1293 00:58:20.559 --> 00:58:23.480 it's it could be treasure treasure maps in a sense 1294 00:58:23.679 --> 00:58:28.159 out there. Yeah, they talk about the chiefs. 1295 00:58:29.000 --> 00:58:32.800 Yeah, I don't believe that's the thing for me, Like 1296 00:58:33.480 --> 00:58:37.320 you weren't there, And human nature is no different today 1297 00:58:37.360 --> 00:58:38.000 than it was. 1298 00:58:38.159 --> 00:58:39.840 Five hundred years ago, a thousand years ago. 1299 00:58:39.920 --> 00:58:43.760 So all this shit gets written down and it's like okay, 1300 00:58:43.920 --> 00:58:47.800 so someone like we already established like ninety five percent 1301 00:58:47.840 --> 00:58:52.280 of people or causing fuckery, Like someone wrote that shit down. 1302 00:58:52.360 --> 00:58:55.719 So yeah, how do we know you know, what their 1303 00:58:55.760 --> 00:58:57.920 position was, and how do we know what their intention was, 1304 00:58:57.960 --> 00:58:59.960 and how do we know what their their goal was 1305 00:59:00.199 --> 00:59:04.719 or the purpose? Like most people are disingenuous, right, So 1306 00:59:05.679 --> 00:59:09.000 like I don't I just don't trust anything ever, you 1307 00:59:09.039 --> 00:59:09.519 know what. 1308 00:59:09.519 --> 00:59:12.639 UH got it? Like this is gonna I don't want 1309 00:59:12.679 --> 00:59:14.559 this to come out wrong. I would love to get 1310 00:59:14.559 --> 00:59:16.400 Scott Walter on my show. I think the guy's great, 1311 00:59:16.639 --> 00:59:17.960 but you know how like they're going on about that 1312 00:59:18.000 --> 00:59:20.280 whole thing with the arc and the uh you know, 1313 00:59:20.400 --> 00:59:23.800 Mary's bones and Jesus' bones and all this stuff. We 1314 00:59:23.840 --> 00:59:27.559 covered on the Occult Rejects. We call it the Galla Mafia, 1315 00:59:28.480 --> 00:59:31.039 and we tried to show from older texts in the 1316 00:59:31.079 --> 00:59:35.199 past from Freemasons them talking about how they were going 1317 00:59:35.280 --> 00:59:40.000 to eventually kind of like influence the church, and you know, 1318 00:59:40.000 --> 00:59:43.079 it was a long thing that we read off. Teresa 1319 00:59:43.199 --> 00:59:46.440 actually uh covered this topic with me and at one 1320 00:59:46.480 --> 00:59:48.320 point like they were explaining how they were going to 1321 00:59:48.360 --> 00:59:50.920 basically like mind fuck the world, and like I thought 1322 00:59:50.920 --> 00:59:52.440 it was interesting. I was like, how the fuck did 1323 00:59:52.440 --> 00:59:54.199 you pull this off? I was like, this has gotta 1324 00:59:54.239 --> 00:59:57.000 be aliens of UFOs. But they were talking about like 1325 00:59:57.039 --> 01:00:01.719 how they will take the religious ideas and basically destroy 1326 01:00:01.840 --> 01:00:04.840 those and then somehow at the same time take people 1327 01:00:04.880 --> 01:00:07.880 who don't believe in shit and actually get them to. 1328 01:00:09.800 --> 01:00:12.920 And then I was starting to think. I was like, Yo, 1329 01:00:13.360 --> 01:00:17.199 if this shit comes out, it's going to destroy the 1330 01:00:17.280 --> 01:00:21.039 original idea of Catholicism Christianity, but it's still keeping those 1331 01:00:21.159 --> 01:00:24.920 characters and now it's gonna give proof to people who 1332 01:00:24.920 --> 01:00:30.840 didn't believe something to believe in. And I was like, Yo, fuck, 1333 01:00:31.840 --> 01:00:34.440 is this how they're gonna do it again? I'm not 1334 01:00:34.440 --> 01:00:36.239 trying to shit this on this dude to those people, 1335 01:00:36.239 --> 01:00:39.280 the Templars, because I am interested in them and they 1336 01:00:39.280 --> 01:00:41.280 aren't just something with gnosissism in this. But I was 1337 01:00:41.320 --> 01:00:43.719 just like, fuck, this would be a way to do 1338 01:00:43.719 --> 01:00:48.119 it as well. Yeah, and not again. I'm just I 1339 01:00:48.159 --> 01:00:49.760 know they're probably like, well, well, where the fuck did 1340 01:00:49.760 --> 01:00:51.840 this just come from? Something I was thinking about last night? 1341 01:00:51.920 --> 01:00:53.800 And are you talking about like you know, who knows? 1342 01:00:53.840 --> 01:00:56.199 You know, could this even be something that's being prophesized? 1343 01:00:57.199 --> 01:00:59.400 And this is a sound I don't know, I know, 1344 01:00:59.440 --> 01:01:01.079 it's like just a weird idea that just came out 1345 01:01:01.079 --> 01:01:02.440 of my mouth. It was something I was thinking about 1346 01:01:02.480 --> 01:01:03.920 last night and this morning. I don't know why. It 1347 01:01:03.960 --> 01:01:05.559 was an idea that popped into my head, and I 1348 01:01:05.599 --> 01:01:08.559 was kind of like struggling with it because I've had 1349 01:01:08.559 --> 01:01:10.639 people make you know, I've had people make claims already 1350 01:01:10.639 --> 01:01:12.519 saying like I was that bullshit isn't real, and I 1351 01:01:12.559 --> 01:01:14.000 was like, does it have to be real? Just people 1352 01:01:14.039 --> 01:01:17.320 have to believe it? Not knocking those people, but it 1353 01:01:17.400 --> 01:01:19.239 was just like, again, like did that idea put just 1354 01:01:19.239 --> 01:01:21.079 popped into my head last night? And I was like, fuck, 1355 01:01:21.719 --> 01:01:26.119 that would be a way to kind of change major 1356 01:01:26.159 --> 01:01:29.440 religion anetheist and agnostics at the same. 1357 01:01:29.239 --> 01:01:32.559 Time, gather other people to manifest that for you. 1358 01:01:33.280 --> 01:01:37.280 Yeah, I'm sorry, I don't know taken off on that, 1359 01:01:37.320 --> 01:01:38.559 but it was just something I thought about. 1360 01:01:40.119 --> 01:01:42.480 You have to look at it from all angles like that, 1361 01:01:42.559 --> 01:01:45.960 because I mean even when I, you know, came up 1362 01:01:46.000 --> 01:01:49.920 with my own ideas just spontaneously with no input from 1363 01:01:49.960 --> 01:01:52.480 anywhere else, so you know, eventually I had to come 1364 01:01:52.519 --> 01:01:56.960 to like, did this somehow get like beamed into my head? 1365 01:01:57.039 --> 01:02:00.440 You know, just crazy shit, Like was this like beamed 1366 01:02:00.480 --> 01:02:03.199 into my head like Elon musk neurally thing. 1367 01:02:03.559 --> 01:02:04.719 Or was that from the vape? 1368 01:02:05.719 --> 01:02:06.159 Yeah? 1369 01:02:06.760 --> 01:02:10.320 Most of them I chalk up to the vape. 1370 01:02:10.159 --> 01:02:13.440 Because I mean, it feels like it's not my ideas 1371 01:02:13.480 --> 01:02:15.639 and it's things that I don't know about. 1372 01:02:17.119 --> 01:02:19.760 Yeah, see, that's that. I think all has something to 1373 01:02:19.800 --> 01:02:22.599 do with like kind of magic in a sense, because 1374 01:02:22.639 --> 01:02:24.679 like from my experience with magic, I think we just 1375 01:02:24.719 --> 01:02:28.360 eventually tap into like an all knowing consciousness that we 1376 01:02:28.400 --> 01:02:31.880 all can share. So, like, in my opinion, that's exactly 1377 01:02:31.960 --> 01:02:35.599 why I think you'll see different things different different areas 1378 01:02:35.599 --> 01:02:38.199 of the world, slightly using the same art, maybe building 1379 01:02:38.239 --> 01:02:40.920 pyramids a little bit differently. But I do think they 1380 01:02:40.960 --> 01:02:44.440 got the ideas from connecting to a source. It's not 1381 01:02:44.519 --> 01:02:48.239 like a guy fucking across the sea didn't send you. 1382 01:02:48.280 --> 01:02:49.599 I'm sure he didn't send you a burb of the 1383 01:02:49.679 --> 01:02:52.760 letter telling you how to build a fucking pyramid. Yeah, 1384 01:02:52.800 --> 01:02:54.679 but all these people all around the world are having 1385 01:02:54.679 --> 01:02:56.679 the same ideas. It's because they're tapping into the same 1386 01:02:56.679 --> 01:02:59.039 source and getting the same idea. Like you're saying, oh, 1387 01:02:59.039 --> 01:03:01.079 I could have been the first one. That's probably not, 1388 01:03:01.559 --> 01:03:03.599 but it's an idea coming from the either and you 1389 01:03:03.719 --> 01:03:04.840 just happen to agree with that time. 1390 01:03:05.559 --> 01:03:06.000 Mm hmm. 1391 01:03:07.519 --> 01:03:09.960 I think so too. I call it remote radiohead. 1392 01:03:11.320 --> 01:03:13.559 That's good. That's a good one. 1393 01:03:14.000 --> 01:03:16.559 Yeah, flipping through the station, he actually caps cats something 1394 01:03:16.599 --> 01:03:18.239 for a few seconds. You're like, oh, that was interesting. 1395 01:03:18.320 --> 01:03:19.920 Got to move your rabbit ears around. 1396 01:03:22.280 --> 01:03:25.559 Yeah. I think the good ones come when you're not 1397 01:03:25.559 --> 01:03:26.280 paying attention. 1398 01:03:26.559 --> 01:03:27.880 Yes, Yeah. 1399 01:03:28.000 --> 01:03:31.000 Flow state brings it. If you can get into flow state. 1400 01:03:31.119 --> 01:03:34.239 That's where like, if I run out of ideas, I'll 1401 01:03:34.320 --> 01:03:36.199 just go play my game, and if I just get 1402 01:03:36.239 --> 01:03:38.079 lost in it, all of a sudden, I come out 1403 01:03:38.119 --> 01:03:39.960 on the other side with like, I have all these 1404 01:03:40.000 --> 01:03:42.840 ideas and this idea and that idea. 1405 01:03:42.960 --> 01:03:45.239 I'll go for a walk and listen to music. By 1406 01:03:45.280 --> 01:03:46.880 the time we come back, I'll probably be like, I 1407 01:03:46.920 --> 01:03:48.320 should have rout all this shit down. I just had 1408 01:03:48.320 --> 01:03:48.920 ideas about it. 1409 01:03:49.840 --> 01:03:53.559 Yeah, have a big pad of paper while I'm playing 1410 01:03:53.599 --> 01:03:58.639 my game, this big old notebook and I take pictures. 1411 01:03:59.159 --> 01:04:03.320 It gets me into Yeah, gets me there. 1412 01:04:04.559 --> 01:04:06.519 If you can go in that state, you can find 1413 01:04:06.519 --> 01:04:08.519 out just about anything you want to know if you 1414 01:04:08.599 --> 01:04:11.199 think about it. But don't think about it too hard, 1415 01:04:11.239 --> 01:04:15.280 because yeah, right, it's an art. It's an art. 1416 01:04:15.800 --> 01:04:18.840 It's just kind of just like circling the edge right 1417 01:04:19.960 --> 01:04:22.840 as you're passing by. Things are floating into your into 1418 01:04:22.880 --> 01:04:25.880 your thought patterns. That's what I try to do. If 1419 01:04:25.880 --> 01:04:28.679 you focus on any one thing, it kind of it's 1420 01:04:28.679 --> 01:04:30.159 it starts to get too convoluted. 1421 01:04:30.760 --> 01:04:39.960 Yeah. Yeah, let me see what other questions I got. 1422 01:04:41.119 --> 01:04:44.280 I read like a whole the whole page of questions, 1423 01:04:45.480 --> 01:04:49.559 but he's covered most of them about and you did 1424 01:04:50.079 --> 01:04:53.760 just in your in your flow. Here's here's one because 1425 01:04:53.760 --> 01:04:58.400 I was going to ask about other considering other like 1426 01:04:58.559 --> 01:05:01.239 lodges and like freemason. But I mean you said that 1427 01:05:01.400 --> 01:05:03.440 like you didn't really have a choice as far as 1428 01:05:03.480 --> 01:05:06.519 you're you know where you were and what was available 1429 01:05:06.559 --> 01:05:11.400 to you. But what is the difference, like ideologically, what 1430 01:05:11.599 --> 01:05:12.320 is oto? 1431 01:05:12.519 --> 01:05:13.199 What is there? 1432 01:05:13.840 --> 01:05:15.880 What do they believe? What's their thing? 1433 01:05:16.840 --> 01:05:19.679 Uh? Well, they have libra os, which I think you probably, 1434 01:05:19.679 --> 01:05:21.639 I mean, I couldn't rattle a little off. I think 1435 01:05:21.679 --> 01:05:24.159 that's like a good statement of what Etheleamite is. But uh, 1436 01:05:24.719 --> 01:05:26.920 you know, kind of like understanding who you are is 1437 01:05:26.960 --> 01:05:29.960 figuring out what your will is figuring out magic. I mean, 1438 01:05:29.960 --> 01:05:33.519 that's kind of like what it's supposed to be. The 1439 01:05:33.559 --> 01:05:35.920 difference I would say between you know, between the masonry 1440 01:05:35.920 --> 01:05:39.039 and I guess the OTO. When the OTO did start, 1441 01:05:39.079 --> 01:05:42.719 it actually was a uh, it was a kind of 1442 01:05:42.760 --> 01:05:45.400 a thing. It was made by mason's. Actually it was 1443 01:05:45.639 --> 01:05:47.840 kind of like a branch of h If you were 1444 01:05:47.880 --> 01:05:50.719 a Mason and you were high up, you could probably 1445 01:05:50.800 --> 01:05:52.920 join the OTO and not start from the beginning. Like 1446 01:05:52.960 --> 01:05:55.519 it even was like that aligned with the person that 1447 01:05:55.639 --> 01:05:58.480 was the people that were running it. Then eventually they 1448 01:05:58.920 --> 01:06:02.239 came to Noel's there only they say that they read 1449 01:06:02.280 --> 01:06:07.079 his ship and he was talking about that, basically saying, oh, 1450 01:06:07.079 --> 01:06:09.360 you're talking about our secrets. You're putting our secrets out there, 1451 01:06:09.360 --> 01:06:10.679 and he was like, supposed, I don't know the who 1452 01:06:10.719 --> 01:06:12.840 new people are blah blah blah, and they eventually need 1453 01:06:12.920 --> 01:06:14.599 and then they gave him the word and he took 1454 01:06:14.599 --> 01:06:18.119 it over and changed it in whatever blah blah blah. So, 1455 01:06:18.199 --> 01:06:20.679 I mean it was originally aligned with masonry. But like 1456 01:06:20.719 --> 01:06:24.199 I had said before, you walk into the OTO, it's 1457 01:06:24.480 --> 01:06:28.000 magic straight your face. You know, you work into freemasonry 1458 01:06:28.000 --> 01:06:30.719 and is going going to be and titties. 1459 01:06:31.239 --> 01:06:36.119 But the initiation requirements are the same as as Masons Freemasons. 1460 01:06:35.519 --> 01:06:38.840 Right, uh say that again, I'm sorry. 1461 01:06:40.400 --> 01:06:44.960 OTO requirements for initiation The only difference between them and 1462 01:06:45.199 --> 01:06:48.559 Freemasons is that OTO that's women in right. 1463 01:06:48.719 --> 01:06:52.679 Oh, yeah that is true too, Yes, yes they have Yeah, 1464 01:06:52.719 --> 01:06:55.599 the Freemasons will have the Eastern Star. But again it's 1465 01:06:55.639 --> 01:06:59.519 like a separate thing. Yeah, Oto, male, female, be anything, 1466 01:07:00.039 --> 01:07:03.000 join that mm hmm, be a penguin. 1467 01:07:03.880 --> 01:07:06.079 I spent five years in the Eastern Star. 1468 01:07:06.599 --> 01:07:10.519 Oh wow, really was Yeah, it was all right. 1469 01:07:11.239 --> 01:07:13.079 And then I went to nursing school and I just 1470 01:07:13.119 --> 01:07:16.239 didn't have time because I had you know, it's a 1471 01:07:16.239 --> 01:07:19.679 lot of ritual memorization. I just didn't have time to 1472 01:07:19.719 --> 01:07:22.400 commit to it. So I kind of gave it up. 1473 01:07:22.679 --> 01:07:24.559 That's impressive that you're only in if what you said, 1474 01:07:24.599 --> 01:07:26.840 for five years and you're already getting into rituals stuff. 1475 01:07:27.599 --> 01:07:30.960 Oh mas that like still I had. 1476 01:07:31.000 --> 01:07:33.719 I had a chair, so I had a lot of 1477 01:07:35.199 --> 01:07:37.559 ritual Well, I had to memorize a lot of rituals. 1478 01:07:38.639 --> 01:07:41.400 So yeah, So in order to get into. 1479 01:07:41.280 --> 01:07:44.639 The Eastern Star, you have to have a male member 1480 01:07:44.679 --> 01:07:47.880 of your family who is a member who is a Freemason. 1481 01:07:50.119 --> 01:07:50.400 Yeah. 1482 01:07:51.719 --> 01:07:55.400 So yeah, I didn't actually know that the OTO had 1483 01:07:55.480 --> 01:07:58.199 the same initiation requirements. 1484 01:07:59.599 --> 01:08:02.360 Oh follow a team, so you follow as a Freemason 1485 01:08:03.519 --> 01:08:03.880 or something. 1486 01:08:04.559 --> 01:08:07.880 I have freemasons all through my Actually, yeah, no. 1487 01:08:07.880 --> 01:08:10.239 It's interesting because its white people like think you're reptilian 1488 01:08:10.280 --> 01:08:11.519 now because you just admitted. 1489 01:08:11.199 --> 01:08:15.039 That, Like I wouldn't have said that. 1490 01:08:15.400 --> 01:08:18.880 Yeah no, I mean it doesn't FaZe me at all. 1491 01:08:18.920 --> 01:08:20.880 I mean, look, I was in the Oto. I get it. 1492 01:08:20.920 --> 01:08:22.720 You had an interest in you wanted to figure something 1493 01:08:22.720 --> 01:08:25.399 the funk out. Yeah, that was just funny. How like, 1494 01:08:26.399 --> 01:08:27.279 just be keeping it. 1495 01:08:27.279 --> 01:08:30.039 It's a lot less popular in Canada as it is 1496 01:08:30.079 --> 01:08:32.479 like down in the Southern States it's very popular Eastern 1497 01:08:32.520 --> 01:08:34.680 Star and there's really not a. 1498 01:08:34.640 --> 01:08:35.079 Lot of. 1499 01:08:36.760 --> 01:08:39.399 Culture behind it here in Canada as compared to the 1500 01:08:39.479 --> 01:08:45.600 United States. Like looking at it from here to there, 1501 01:08:46.159 --> 01:08:49.479 it's a lot different. Like we do things like like 1502 01:08:49.560 --> 01:08:55.560 Grand Chapter in Canada or in Ontario. It's different than 1503 01:08:55.600 --> 01:09:00.319 how they do things in the States. It's a little 1504 01:09:00.399 --> 01:09:06.319 less a little a little less gumption. Let's just say. 1505 01:09:07.279 --> 01:09:09.279 Down in the States, I know they take it real serious. 1506 01:09:10.079 --> 01:09:14.000 Yeah yeah, I looked into Eastern Star too, and then 1507 01:09:14.119 --> 01:09:18.520 like my husband's I want to say, his grandmother was 1508 01:09:18.560 --> 01:09:22.600 an Eastern Eastern Star and his grandfather was probably a freemason. 1509 01:09:23.079 --> 01:09:25.119 I could have got in, but I was just like, 1510 01:09:26.039 --> 01:09:27.720 I don't want to be an Eastern Star. I want 1511 01:09:27.760 --> 01:09:30.640 to be a free Mason, I know, but I also 1512 01:09:30.680 --> 01:09:33.279 don't want to like crash you guys this party or anything. 1513 01:09:33.359 --> 01:09:36.079 I was like, fuck it, I work alone. I'll figure 1514 01:09:36.119 --> 01:09:36.399 it out. 1515 01:09:37.640 --> 01:09:39.640 It's like I work alone. 1516 01:09:39.960 --> 01:09:43.439 When I go down home, I've gone and like you 1517 01:09:43.479 --> 01:09:45.479 go to the graveyard where the family's all buried, like 1518 01:09:45.560 --> 01:09:49.119 going back to the seventeen hundreds, and all the women 1519 01:09:49.159 --> 01:09:51.399 in the family have the Eastern Star on their grave. 1520 01:09:52.039 --> 01:09:53.199 So it's kind of something. 1521 01:09:53.199 --> 01:09:57.439 It skipped my mother, but and I didn't necessarily know that. 1522 01:09:57.520 --> 01:09:59.319 I just kind of came to it on my own 1523 01:10:01.920 --> 01:10:04.119 doing some reading, and then I found out there was 1524 01:10:04.159 --> 01:10:04.960 a chapter. 1525 01:10:06.239 --> 01:10:09.319 Close by. So yeah, I did five years. 1526 01:10:11.159 --> 01:10:13.239 Yeah, I'm sure it was an experience, right. 1527 01:10:14.640 --> 01:10:15.239 Yeah it was. 1528 01:10:15.359 --> 01:10:18.840 And I went to grand chapter and you get to 1529 01:10:18.880 --> 01:10:22.439 see like everything on the big scale, not just in 1530 01:10:22.479 --> 01:10:23.640 the little room, you know. 1531 01:10:24.279 --> 01:10:24.960 Yeah, it's cool. 1532 01:10:25.039 --> 01:10:27.039 Yeah. I mean I've always even said for me, I mean, 1533 01:10:27.079 --> 01:10:29.880 even my experience in the OTO, I mean it was beneficial. 1534 01:10:30.880 --> 01:10:32.880 Even we realized why I didn't want to be in 1535 01:10:32.920 --> 01:10:35.600 certain aspects. From my experience, it was probably was a 1536 01:10:35.600 --> 01:10:37.479 little bit more enjoyable. You being in the Eastern Star 1537 01:10:37.520 --> 01:10:38.680 of my experience. 1538 01:10:38.680 --> 01:10:41.640 But well, there's a big social factor too, right, Like, 1539 01:10:41.720 --> 01:10:45.119 there's a big social factor that is embedded into it, obviously, 1540 01:10:45.199 --> 01:10:47.000 and it's integrated with the Freemasons. 1541 01:10:47.039 --> 01:10:49.119 Most of the women that I met. 1542 01:10:48.920 --> 01:10:51.479 There their husbands or their brothers, or their you know, 1543 01:10:51.600 --> 01:10:56.439 somebody is a Freemason. So it's pretty integrated into their families. 1544 01:10:57.239 --> 01:11:01.359 And I would say the Ritual and Eastern Star is 1545 01:11:01.439 --> 01:11:06.079 based on the Bible, but it's more of a focus 1546 01:11:06.159 --> 01:11:09.159 on the stories and and so the morals and the 1547 01:11:09.239 --> 01:11:11.760 values that come out of the stories and the figures, 1548 01:11:11.800 --> 01:11:15.000 the female figures in the Bible. It's not necessarily like 1549 01:11:15.079 --> 01:11:18.640 thro out their thumb and Catholicism. It's more, you know, 1550 01:11:18.720 --> 01:11:21.159 it's it's more about the values and the teachings that 1551 01:11:21.199 --> 01:11:23.159 come out of the stories of the people that are 1552 01:11:23.560 --> 01:11:26.520 the women who are featured in the Bible. Few are between. 1553 01:11:26.600 --> 01:11:30.680 But you know, yeah, so I did. I don't regret 1554 01:11:30.720 --> 01:11:33.680 it at all, And for sure I did learn a lot, 1555 01:11:33.800 --> 01:11:41.520 and just practicing ritual is an experience and of itself. 1556 01:11:41.560 --> 01:11:45.479 And yeah, I appreciate I appreciate everything I took away 1557 01:11:45.479 --> 01:11:45.800 from it. 1558 01:11:46.000 --> 01:11:47.079 I got nothing bad to say. 1559 01:11:48.600 --> 01:11:52.239 Yeah, but if it's it's something that if you're going 1560 01:11:52.319 --> 01:11:54.720 to take a position, you really need to focus on 1561 01:11:55.840 --> 01:11:59.000 putting time in to remember the ritual because people take 1562 01:11:59.039 --> 01:12:01.920 that shit seriously. So and then when I went to 1563 01:12:02.039 --> 01:12:03.920 nursing school, I just I just didn't have the time. 1564 01:12:04.119 --> 01:12:08.960 So yeah, I even think I don't know how it 1565 01:12:08.960 --> 01:12:11.159 would be for your or. But like when we use 1566 01:12:11.239 --> 01:12:15.359 like the Exagram ritual, well especially the penthegram ritual. Mm hmm, 1567 01:12:15.760 --> 01:12:18.039 I actually do believe this sounds crazy. I think some 1568 01:12:18.079 --> 01:12:20.000 of these rituals are actually showing you the change with 1569 01:12:20.039 --> 01:12:21.319 inside your eyeball as well. 1570 01:12:22.439 --> 01:12:22.600 Hm. 1571 01:12:23.520 --> 01:12:25.720 Because your eyeball, the pupil pulls open in the full 1572 01:12:25.760 --> 01:12:29.039 cardinal directions. It's like muscles that pull it open, but 1573 01:12:29.119 --> 01:12:32.279 it screws closed. So when the magician like in the 1574 01:12:32.319 --> 01:12:34.840 AA or if I had my black hood on m 1575 01:12:35.039 --> 01:12:37.199 M my opinion, I'm destroying the gods that I keep 1576 01:12:37.199 --> 01:12:39.520 on my pupil open and I'm fucking screwing it clothes, 1577 01:12:39.560 --> 01:12:42.560 I'm going around in a circle. I mean, you'll even 1578 01:12:42.600 --> 01:12:44.319 have some people that will put salt around you, get 1579 01:12:44.319 --> 01:12:47.840 crystals on your on your fucking on your uh or 1580 01:12:47.880 --> 01:12:52.000 aserata in your eye. I know, This sounds crazy, but 1581 01:12:52.039 --> 01:12:54.640 I do think some rituals are actually showing the eyeball 1582 01:12:54.760 --> 01:12:57.800 of the pupil changing because that also all determines on 1583 01:12:57.840 --> 01:13:02.520 how much light you're pulling in true, yeah, how much information. 1584 01:13:02.600 --> 01:13:03.199 Back the light? 1585 01:13:03.439 --> 01:13:05.199 Yeah yeah, yeah, no it does. 1586 01:13:05.239 --> 01:13:08.039 But there's also a light factor, like they're in a 1587 01:13:08.039 --> 01:13:10.079 lot of rituals, so the lights go down or they 1588 01:13:10.119 --> 01:13:13.079 have lights on in certain areas of the room, like 1589 01:13:13.399 --> 01:13:17.000 and that's you know, sometimes that is integrated. 1590 01:13:17.039 --> 01:13:18.920 So even this, like I can throw this in a 1591 01:13:18.800 --> 01:13:23.960 little weird and uh interesting, Crowley has uh lib rash 1592 01:13:24.119 --> 01:13:26.960 or the rush. And if you look at like the 1593 01:13:27.000 --> 01:13:28.880 way the sun is at the certain times he has 1594 01:13:28.920 --> 01:13:31.560 you're supposed to do these things. It actually would make 1595 01:13:31.600 --> 01:13:34.560 your pineal gland like optimal because you're looking at the 1596 01:13:34.600 --> 01:13:36.720 sun and taking in those certain calls at this you know, 1597 01:13:37.039 --> 01:13:41.680 specific times. And then like he even has he has 1598 01:13:41.760 --> 01:13:45.399 the star of Ruby and he uses the Knox formula 1599 01:13:45.479 --> 01:13:50.640 for that. That's his Now. I even think, just to 1600 01:13:50.840 --> 01:13:53.920 preface this in the Maneval ritual, fucking you know whatever, 1601 01:13:53.960 --> 01:13:57.239 I'm going to talk about the ritual. Uh, then the 1602 01:13:57.479 --> 01:14:01.399 Manoval degree, at one point you are given You're always 1603 01:14:01.439 --> 01:14:04.359 given in these degrees, you're given like a word, a gesture, 1604 01:14:04.439 --> 01:14:07.399 and I'm like, the thing in the minerval degree you're 1605 01:14:07.439 --> 01:14:10.640 standing next to like a tent, and to me it 1606 01:14:10.640 --> 01:14:13.439 looks a little bit like the optic nerve. And they 1607 01:14:13.479 --> 01:14:16.800 tell you the god name is on oh En, it 1608 01:14:16.800 --> 01:14:19.640 would be optic nerve in my opinion again, and then 1609 01:14:19.680 --> 01:14:22.119 they pump your thumb twelve times, and your optic nerve 1610 01:14:22.199 --> 01:14:25.439 is one of your twelve cranial nerves, so like I'm 1611 01:14:25.479 --> 01:14:27.720 even thinking, I'm seeing this symbolism in there. And then 1612 01:14:27.760 --> 01:14:31.199 if you have the NOx formula, now the optic nerves 1613 01:14:31.239 --> 01:14:34.439 even cross like this from your eyes to your brain, 1614 01:14:34.479 --> 01:14:36.560 they make an X they cross, So I'm like, all right, 1615 01:14:36.640 --> 01:14:39.640 Knox is probably the optic nerve and the crossing. And 1616 01:14:39.720 --> 01:14:41.359 at one point in there, you start making all these 1617 01:14:41.399 --> 01:14:43.279 gestures and you do these things, and at one point 1618 01:14:43.279 --> 01:14:46.399 you're imitating Isis and you're supposed to be looking like 1619 01:14:46.399 --> 01:14:48.560 you're holding a baby and then squeezing your nipple as 1620 01:14:48.560 --> 01:14:51.159 if like you're feeding it. Well, for women, I don't 1621 01:14:51.159 --> 01:14:53.119 know if you know this. If you were to give 1622 01:14:53.279 --> 01:14:55.760 birth to a child and it started breastfeeding from you, 1623 01:14:56.319 --> 01:14:58.359 that I think it's part of it would be the colostrum. 1624 01:14:58.399 --> 01:15:00.840 All that that thin fluid is going to have a 1625 01:15:00.840 --> 01:15:03.159 conversation with your fucking pineal gland, and the baby's panial 1626 01:15:03.199 --> 01:15:05.199 gland's going to tell you, tell your child where the 1627 01:15:05.199 --> 01:15:07.520 fuck it is, what season it is, what time it is. 1628 01:15:08.520 --> 01:15:11.479 So even in that symbolism right there, the baby pinching 1629 01:15:11.520 --> 01:15:13.840 the fucking nipple or the sucking on the nipple is 1630 01:15:13.880 --> 01:15:16.439 still showing some sort of things going on with the 1631 01:15:16.439 --> 01:15:20.840 pineal glane. I don't think this guy was all about 1632 01:15:20.840 --> 01:15:22.560 Dixon demons. That's what I'm trying to say. 1633 01:15:22.920 --> 01:15:24.359 I'm just trying to say. 1634 01:15:24.960 --> 01:15:28.920 There is actual science in this shit. I my belief. Yeah, 1635 01:15:29.079 --> 01:15:30.800 which is why I try to fuck with people like 1636 01:15:30.880 --> 01:15:36.000 Ricardo and Lisa, because when I have these crazy ideas, 1637 01:15:36.039 --> 01:15:37.960 I could pitch it to them and they'll be like, oh, well, 1638 01:15:38.119 --> 01:15:39.840 I actually see something here that's interesting. 1639 01:15:40.239 --> 01:15:40.640 Mm hmm. 1640 01:15:41.159 --> 01:15:43.760 I do the same thing to Ricardo, like I'll have 1641 01:15:43.840 --> 01:15:45.600 a thought and I'll just need to bounce it off 1642 01:15:45.640 --> 01:15:46.720 someone smarter than me. 1643 01:15:48.960 --> 01:15:52.880 Yeah. So, you know, I do think there's other stuff 1644 01:15:52.880 --> 01:15:54.640 in there with this stuff, you know, I do think 1645 01:15:54.680 --> 01:15:57.560 it does go down there. In my opinion, A lot 1646 01:15:57.600 --> 01:16:03.600 of Renaissance Catholic you know, especially Italy. The art all 1647 01:16:04.239 --> 01:16:07.800 eyeball stuff. My opinion, a lot of those fountains, you 1648 01:16:07.840 --> 01:16:09.720 know you always see like there's warm where it like 1649 01:16:09.760 --> 01:16:13.319 shows these four dudes, it look like they're holding like robes, 1650 01:16:13.319 --> 01:16:14.479 you know how like a lot of times you'll even 1651 01:16:14.479 --> 01:16:16.800 see guys like holding robes and shit like these these 1652 01:16:16.840 --> 01:16:19.720 fucking things. I believe that's probably the eyeball muscle. You 1653 01:16:19.800 --> 01:16:22.520 have four dudes that look like they're all holding it 1654 01:16:22.560 --> 01:16:24.800 but like ire now like destroyed and letting it go, 1655 01:16:25.199 --> 01:16:27.279 and they're on the four calmal directions. And then there's 1656 01:16:27.319 --> 01:16:30.199 like this, you know, uh, that Florida Ley type thing 1657 01:16:30.239 --> 01:16:32.720 coming out, and like that's exactly what the fuck your 1658 01:16:32.720 --> 01:16:35.199 eyeball would be doing if it decided to fucking The 1659 01:16:35.279 --> 01:16:39.479 lens changes moves up when it gets smaller. M you know, 1660 01:16:39.520 --> 01:16:42.079 these guys, the muscles that have been holding it open 1661 01:16:42.439 --> 01:16:45.399 just got fucking spiraled clothes, they lost grip, and now 1662 01:16:45.439 --> 01:16:47.800 the water in your eye is fucking changing. I do 1663 01:16:47.920 --> 01:16:50.640 believe they're actually showing you all that shit in that art. 1664 01:16:51.640 --> 01:16:53.640 Naissance art is like next level. 1665 01:16:53.800 --> 01:16:56.119 There's a lot I can't even show the birth of Venus. 1666 01:16:56.199 --> 01:16:57.760 If you take the picture of the birth of Venus 1667 01:16:57.800 --> 01:17:00.000 and then asides picture of the fucking eyeball, you'll see 1668 01:17:00.159 --> 01:17:02.960 the same fucking thing. Mm hm. I mean I literally 1669 01:17:03.000 --> 01:17:05.319 have that ship. I have like my own version of 1670 01:17:05.319 --> 01:17:07.439 the birth of Venus on my arm. Somebody who said, 1671 01:17:07.439 --> 01:17:09.840 what is that, I said, an artistic depiction of the eyeball? 1672 01:17:09.880 --> 01:17:15.680 They probably like, what the fuck it is to me? Yeah, 1673 01:17:15.680 --> 01:17:17.680 I gotta check there and a seashell and you know, 1674 01:17:17.680 --> 01:17:19.720 all this weird shit going on just like that. But 1675 01:17:19.760 --> 01:17:23.039 it's just like, yay, that's actually my version of the 1676 01:17:23.079 --> 01:17:26.439 inside of your eyeball, just in art mm hmmm. And 1677 01:17:26.479 --> 01:17:28.239 nobody who the fuck would ever picked that up unless 1678 01:17:28.239 --> 01:17:28.640 I told. 1679 01:17:28.520 --> 01:17:29.720 Them mm hmm. 1680 01:17:30.439 --> 01:17:33.199 The as are the window to the soul or whatever 1681 01:17:33.399 --> 01:17:33.880 they say. 1682 01:17:34.239 --> 01:17:36.960 The cliches you think about your eyes and your brain 1683 01:17:37.039 --> 01:17:40.479 all determine your reality mm hmm. I mean they are 1684 01:17:40.520 --> 01:17:44.119 actually the same thing. That's something I didn't ever realize 1685 01:17:44.199 --> 01:17:47.039 until I started covering it. Your eyes, it's part of 1686 01:17:47.039 --> 01:17:48.359 your brain. It's just an extension. 1687 01:17:48.920 --> 01:17:52.159 Well it's just such a it's like the major input 1688 01:17:52.279 --> 01:17:56.960 organ for your for your brain to process like your surroundings. 1689 01:17:57.039 --> 01:17:59.399 Right, Yeah, I. 1690 01:17:59.359 --> 01:18:01.239 Don't think you'll see like the Garden of Eden. I 1691 01:18:01.239 --> 01:18:03.840 think you'll see the baptism. In the eyeballs, you see 1692 01:18:03.880 --> 01:18:07.439 all symbology for all that stuff. You know that you 1693 01:18:07.479 --> 01:18:10.239 have the oris errata or is that I'm probably screwing 1694 01:18:10.279 --> 01:18:11.560 it up. It's the other part. But it looks like 1695 01:18:11.560 --> 01:18:14.640 a seashell inside your rival. And then right under that, 1696 01:18:15.159 --> 01:18:19.359 above that is where you have the it's like blood 1697 01:18:19.560 --> 01:18:21.840 and fluid in the top of your rible. And then 1698 01:18:21.880 --> 01:18:24.199 at the bottom you have the oqueous humor, which is 1699 01:18:24.239 --> 01:18:26.800 only just like water. But in between that you see 1700 01:18:26.840 --> 01:18:29.039 like this thing that looks like a seashell, and then 1701 01:18:29.079 --> 01:18:30.880 the waters. I mean that's the same thing with the baptism. 1702 01:18:30.920 --> 01:18:32.600 You're supposed to hold the seashell up and the water 1703 01:18:32.640 --> 01:18:35.000 pulls out of it. You see things like that on 1704 01:18:35.039 --> 01:18:37.079 the sides of like churches all over Italy, or like 1705 01:18:37.119 --> 01:18:38.560 things on the side you'll see like a force in 1706 01:18:38.680 --> 01:18:41.000 it's coming out of a seashell. It's like same fucking 1707 01:18:41.000 --> 01:18:43.760 thing I'm watching right here in the beginning of the eyeball. Oh, 1708 01:18:43.880 --> 01:18:45.720 I'm watching water go to wine too. If you want 1709 01:18:45.760 --> 01:18:46.359 to look at it like that. 1710 01:18:49.439 --> 01:18:53.720 Hmm. It's all like it's all at a time capsule 1711 01:18:53.840 --> 01:18:57.119 for safety. Like in all these Renaissance paintings and stuff 1712 01:18:57.159 --> 01:19:00.840 like that, like they erased everything else, but all these 1713 01:19:00.880 --> 01:19:05.119 paintings and historical buildings and places like that's where you 1714 01:19:05.199 --> 01:19:06.039 found this stuff. 1715 01:19:06.760 --> 01:19:07.600 I get to kick got of. 1716 01:19:07.840 --> 01:19:11.840 It's like the Renaissance art and the big artists. You 1717 01:19:11.880 --> 01:19:15.439 have to remember that, like we're coming out of a 1718 01:19:15.520 --> 01:19:18.960 really shitty time period where no information was being conveyed 1719 01:19:19.000 --> 01:19:21.039 to people, and then all of a sudden, we have 1720 01:19:21.239 --> 01:19:24.720 all these very very wealthy patrons who are paying these 1721 01:19:24.840 --> 01:19:34.479 artists to to like information, right, so it's extremely significant. 1722 01:19:34.520 --> 01:19:36.880 It's beautiful art to look at, just to take it 1723 01:19:36.920 --> 01:19:40.319 for what it is. Of course, like their skill set 1724 01:19:40.520 --> 01:19:41.239 was just like. 1725 01:19:41.800 --> 01:19:42.560 Out of this world. 1726 01:19:42.560 --> 01:19:46.119 We don't have artists like that anymore, and people don't 1727 01:19:46.159 --> 01:19:48.199 study art in that method anymore. 1728 01:19:48.479 --> 01:19:51.760 I mean, we have some copycats, but we're just like. 1729 01:19:51.680 --> 01:19:57.279 An explosion of incredible, incredible artistry, not just in paint 1730 01:19:57.319 --> 01:20:00.840 but in stone, you know, carving that sort of thing. 1731 01:20:01.119 --> 01:20:05.520 Look at all the cathedrals like Renaissance are I'm a 1732 01:20:05.520 --> 01:20:10.359 big fan, Sarah, you know, yeah. 1733 01:20:09.680 --> 01:20:12.560 I went, I went to it. I actually have It's 1734 01:20:12.560 --> 01:20:14.920 probably like a three part series whenever I do it. 1735 01:20:14.960 --> 01:20:17.600 I actually have like tons and tons of footage from 1736 01:20:17.640 --> 01:20:20.960 Italy Rome. Yeah, yeah, I went to Growth. Well, I 1737 01:20:21.000 --> 01:20:22.920 want to do an actual documentary on it. I've had 1738 01:20:22.920 --> 01:20:25.039 this ship for almost a year and I just I 1739 01:20:25.399 --> 01:20:27.560 went out and filmed tons and tons of stuff and 1740 01:20:27.560 --> 01:20:29.479 I just never got to it. But I really I 1741 01:20:29.520 --> 01:20:32.359 have unto Maya Park that I filmed because that's as 1742 01:20:32.439 --> 01:20:34.920 you know, cult connotations to it. I went to Yale 1743 01:20:34.920 --> 01:20:37.079 and I filmed all the secret societies out there. I 1744 01:20:37.079 --> 01:20:40.079 filled the fucking cemetery, throw it, flew my drone over 1745 01:20:40.119 --> 01:20:42.399 these things. I just haven't covered it yet. I have 1746 01:20:42.479 --> 01:20:44.279 to because the thing is going to take a while. 1747 01:20:44.359 --> 01:20:45.960 So it's like I almost have to like get everybody 1748 01:20:46.000 --> 01:20:47.840 on board and just be like, this is what we're doing. 1749 01:20:48.560 --> 01:20:50.520 But yeah, the stuff with Italy, I've been like really 1750 01:20:50.560 --> 01:20:52.159 like I have to put this shit out because I 1751 01:20:52.239 --> 01:20:55.159 have tons of stuff in Italy and this did to 1752 01:20:55.399 --> 01:20:58.920 art is insane. I think it's a good case for 1753 01:20:58.960 --> 01:21:01.000 me to improve my story more. If I was to 1754 01:21:01.359 --> 01:21:03.640 cover it, I think you should do it. Yeah, I 1755 01:21:03.680 --> 01:21:05.159 just need to get my ass in gear and actually 1756 01:21:05.159 --> 01:21:06.520 get people just stop doing it. 1757 01:21:08.159 --> 01:21:08.680 The longer. 1758 01:21:11.039 --> 01:21:13.279 One thing, I will say, I've least gone through all 1759 01:21:13.439 --> 01:21:17.399 the footage and I have like edited it, I've tweaked 1760 01:21:17.399 --> 01:21:19.039 to color, you know, I made it look like however 1761 01:21:19.079 --> 01:21:22.119 I want it when it's done now, I just need yeah, yeah, 1762 01:21:22.159 --> 01:21:24.359 I know. Yeah, So at least, yes, No, I actually 1763 01:21:24.359 --> 01:21:26.920 did them with the annoying ship first. So I'm like, 1764 01:21:26.960 --> 01:21:28.600 when I do go to cover and I just basically 1765 01:21:28.640 --> 01:21:30.560 got to tell people like you know what and show 1766 01:21:30.640 --> 01:21:32.920 them and just be like all right, whatever, it should 1767 01:21:32.920 --> 01:21:35.039 be a lot easier. But so at least I've done that, Yes, 1768 01:21:35.439 --> 01:21:37.520 but I got to get my ass in gear and actually. 1769 01:21:37.439 --> 01:21:43.079 Stop doing Yeah. 1770 01:21:43.119 --> 01:21:46.640 So how would you define your spiritual ideology? 1771 01:21:46.800 --> 01:21:54.199 Now that's a hard question. I mean I believe in 1772 01:21:54.239 --> 01:21:56.439 God obviously, but. 1773 01:21:57.039 --> 01:21:58.800 You're like me, you don't define it? 1774 01:21:59.359 --> 01:22:02.199 Yeah, I can't. Yeah, I can't. You know, sometimes I 1775 01:22:02.239 --> 01:22:04.439 call myself an ocultist, but I mean that even just 1776 01:22:04.479 --> 01:22:10.680 sounds you know, it has been whatever. Uh Yeah, I 1777 01:22:10.720 --> 01:22:14.239 mean I'm still searching, and she'll still still trying to 1778 01:22:14.279 --> 01:22:16.960 figure out God. And at the same time, I'm trying 1779 01:22:16.960 --> 01:22:18.920 to figure out how my body actually works and what 1780 01:22:19.079 --> 01:22:23.680 happens when magic happens. So I mean I can't even like. 1781 01:22:23.720 --> 01:22:26.079 To call it. I'm in discovery mode. 1782 01:22:26.319 --> 01:22:28.560 Yeah, yeah, you know what too. I think as soon 1783 01:22:28.600 --> 01:22:30.439 as I give myself a label that means I'm not 1784 01:22:30.600 --> 01:22:31.319 entertaining all the. 1785 01:22:31.319 --> 01:22:35.199 Things I'm in exactly what I was going to say. 1786 01:22:35.880 --> 01:22:38.680 When I try to define it, that puts a block up. 1787 01:22:39.359 --> 01:22:41.800 And so if I just stay open, things tend to 1788 01:22:41.840 --> 01:22:45.199 work out better. But it depends on who I'm talking 1789 01:22:45.279 --> 01:22:50.159 to too, m hm. Like for some people I just say, yeah, 1790 01:22:50.479 --> 01:22:51.399 I'm a witch. 1791 01:22:51.760 --> 01:22:55.279 I will say I will say one thing. Uh, Ever, 1792 01:22:55.399 --> 01:22:59.279 since having magical experiences, it may sound crazy now I 1793 01:22:59.279 --> 01:23:03.840 can't say, like if religious text, I guess maybe with Catholicism, 1794 01:23:04.079 --> 01:23:08.119 the Bible and stuff with the you know, I guess Judaism, 1795 01:23:09.079 --> 01:23:12.239 especially the Bible. Though even though I may not claim 1796 01:23:12.479 --> 01:23:17.279 like I'm like a religious person and I'm not, I 1797 01:23:17.319 --> 01:23:21.439 will say that those books are those religions, I do 1798 01:23:21.520 --> 01:23:26.119 see more value in them, or I see more beauty 1799 01:23:26.279 --> 01:23:29.000 in that stuff since I've had my experience. But it's 1800 01:23:29.079 --> 01:23:33.279 still my opinion. It's just being misunderstood. But you know, 1801 01:23:33.359 --> 01:23:36.159 so it hasn't actually taken I've actually I do see 1802 01:23:36.199 --> 01:23:38.479 more value in these things if you look at it 1803 01:23:38.520 --> 01:23:41.279 the right way. So it's not even like I'm saying, 1804 01:23:41.319 --> 01:23:45.800 like my experiences like maybe dislike or hate these things, 1805 01:23:46.880 --> 01:23:48.720 you know. I just think the way that humans are, 1806 01:23:48.720 --> 01:23:51.159 the way it's being handed to us is just not correct. 1807 01:23:52.279 --> 01:23:54.520 Mm hmm. It's being manipulated. 1808 01:23:55.039 --> 01:24:00.920 Someone's actively manipulated it somewhere along the line, and that 1809 01:24:01.039 --> 01:24:03.439 was an organized effort to do that. I just don't 1810 01:24:03.439 --> 01:24:05.880 know who did it, And I mean I just have 1811 01:24:06.039 --> 01:24:08.600 to figure it out for myself the same as we 1812 01:24:08.680 --> 01:24:13.359 all do, and understand that anything can be propaganda, no 1813 01:24:13.439 --> 01:24:16.000 matter how much you trust it, if it's something outside 1814 01:24:16.039 --> 01:24:17.560 of yourself, be very careful. 1815 01:24:18.640 --> 01:24:20.319 Like when you're looking at that stuff though, you just 1816 01:24:20.359 --> 01:24:22.840 have to kind of cut the noise and look into 1817 01:24:22.920 --> 01:24:26.279 it and what's there, what's being said, what's the moral, 1818 01:24:26.359 --> 01:24:27.279 what's the value? 1819 01:24:27.359 --> 01:24:28.760 What should you be taking away? 1820 01:24:29.479 --> 01:24:32.359 Yes, yeah, I mean, like real quick, I could even 1821 01:24:32.399 --> 01:24:35.000 just like say this too, like for people to think 1822 01:24:35.039 --> 01:24:39.720 about and wonder about, like King James, you know, as 1823 01:24:39.840 --> 01:24:42.319 as me and I bring up Lisa a lot because 1824 01:24:42.359 --> 01:24:44.479 me and her always like doing these types of shows together. 1825 01:24:47.079 --> 01:24:50.039 We've covered a lot of occultists in the past, and 1826 01:24:50.800 --> 01:24:53.159 throughout that time we have come across so many of 1827 01:24:53.159 --> 01:24:56.399 them that somehow had some attachment to King James m 1828 01:24:57.079 --> 01:24:59.880 He was also biking the Shakespeare Jacob Bohm's been around 1829 01:24:59.880 --> 01:25:03.159 the there, you know, the other occultists of all shown 1830 01:25:03.239 --> 01:25:06.439 up around the sky. So you have to even wonder, 1831 01:25:06.520 --> 01:25:10.760 like whose hands were even in that Bible, you know, 1832 01:25:10.840 --> 01:25:12.960 making that Bible? And then another thing I'd like to 1833 01:25:13.119 --> 01:25:16.800 head just to scrub people in a different way. Any 1834 01:25:16.840 --> 01:25:19.479 person that has ever told us or handed down some 1835 01:25:19.640 --> 01:25:22.199 more or idea theory about what the fuck's out in 1836 01:25:22.199 --> 01:25:26.840 the sky's they were all alchemists. Every single one of 1837 01:25:26.840 --> 01:25:30.880 them was an occultist. So you have to start wondering, 1838 01:25:31.000 --> 01:25:34.439 like can I take any of this at face value? 1839 01:25:34.840 --> 01:25:37.039 Not saying the truth isn't in there, but you have 1840 01:25:37.079 --> 01:25:40.439 to start wondering how is it being told? Because no 1841 01:25:40.520 --> 01:25:44.239 occultists there's gonna be outright, at least not the ones 1842 01:25:44.239 --> 01:25:46.680 in the past. They're gonna make you work for that ship. 1843 01:25:46.800 --> 01:25:53.399 Or symbolism and right some inside info that you need 1844 01:25:53.439 --> 01:25:55.359 from some damn century, Well you. 1845 01:25:55.319 --> 01:25:57.319 Have to you have to come to it on your own, 1846 01:25:57.439 --> 01:26:01.199 like and have done preparation work to get there, do 1847 01:26:01.199 --> 01:26:01.800 you know what I mean? 1848 01:26:01.840 --> 01:26:04.000 Like you can't just leave people with us to seek 1849 01:26:04.039 --> 01:26:04.560 and see it. 1850 01:26:04.800 --> 01:26:05.199 That's right. 1851 01:26:05.239 --> 01:26:07.960 You can't all willing nilly just be handing information to 1852 01:26:08.039 --> 01:26:09.239 people because. 1853 01:26:09.119 --> 01:26:10.439 There we are back to the eye. 1854 01:26:10.600 --> 01:26:15.439 Yah yeah, yeah every time. 1855 01:26:16.399 --> 01:26:18.720 Yeah, tell you. 1856 01:26:21.920 --> 01:26:23.199 Well, that's about all I got. 1857 01:26:23.439 --> 01:26:26.720 Actually, I actually got another show in twenty three minutes, 1858 01:26:26.720 --> 01:26:27.800 so that's that's one. 1859 01:26:28.000 --> 01:26:29.399 Yeah, you got more work to do. 1860 01:26:29.760 --> 01:26:31.640 Yeah, I actually got somebody coming on and talk about 1861 01:26:31.640 --> 01:26:34.640 the Delphie murders. I'm just basically just that cool. Yeah, yeah, yeah, 1862 01:26:34.640 --> 01:26:35.840 I got somebody covering the topic. 1863 01:26:35.920 --> 01:26:36.760 So that's yeah. 1864 01:26:36.880 --> 01:26:38.560 I don't mind doing two shows back to back. 1865 01:26:38.800 --> 01:26:42.960 So that's my other secret obsession, true crime. 1866 01:26:43.840 --> 01:26:46.479 I'm listening. I'm listening to a new new deep dive 1867 01:26:46.600 --> 01:26:48.199 on the Stephen Avery murder. 1868 01:26:48.239 --> 01:26:51.680 Now, oh wow, okay, yeah nice. You ever come across 1869 01:26:51.720 --> 01:26:53.600 some decent true crime slops in my way? 1870 01:26:54.159 --> 01:26:55.239 I will, I will. 1871 01:26:55.840 --> 01:26:58.199 I do come across quite a bit of it. Actually, 1872 01:26:58.560 --> 01:26:59.520 that's how I relax. 1873 01:27:00.560 --> 01:27:02.279 Did you get into the go go beach stuff at all? 1874 01:27:02.920 --> 01:27:04.680 What's that? The go go beach stuff? Did you get 1875 01:27:04.680 --> 01:27:05.399 into that at all? 1876 01:27:05.560 --> 01:27:05.960 I did? 1877 01:27:06.079 --> 01:27:08.920 I did not long ago watch something, and I do 1878 01:27:09.039 --> 01:27:12.039 have a couple of podcasts that i've gone and got 1879 01:27:12.039 --> 01:27:14.720 on my to watch list. I kind of you know, 1880 01:27:14.760 --> 01:27:17.079 when you get onto a specific story even though you've 1881 01:27:17.119 --> 01:27:19.439 already heard it like ten times, and then like you 1882 01:27:19.840 --> 01:27:22.560 go really deep before you can leave it alone. I'm 1883 01:27:22.640 --> 01:27:23.840 right there right now with this. 1884 01:27:25.279 --> 01:27:29.319 Extremely Yeah, something's right now. 1885 01:27:29.399 --> 01:27:32.520 That's up where you were from, right, isn't it? 1886 01:27:33.279 --> 01:27:36.199 Before I left, Before I moved, they busted the guy 1887 01:27:36.279 --> 01:27:38.680 and I went. I was down there. I was down 1888 01:27:38.760 --> 01:27:40.720 there with my fucking drone on my fucking video camera. 1889 01:27:40.760 --> 01:27:42.880 I filmed the Yeah, I was like fuck that. Yeah. 1890 01:27:43.039 --> 01:27:44.399 As soon as I heard that ship, I'm like, oh, 1891 01:27:44.399 --> 01:27:46.000 this dude only lose twenty minutes away from me. I'm 1892 01:27:46.039 --> 01:27:48.279 going to that's the fucking cops, the news, every it 1893 01:27:48.359 --> 01:27:53.720 was insane. Sure, yeah, yeah, but that ship makes no sense. Man, 1894 01:27:53.800 --> 01:27:56.359 There's definitely some magic going on with that motherfucker. 1895 01:27:56.880 --> 01:27:57.720 There's something, you know. 1896 01:27:57.920 --> 01:27:59.960 It was like really weird, like we started being lista 1897 01:28:00.039 --> 01:28:03.359 start a plane with like numbers in Jamatria. Even some 1898 01:28:03.399 --> 01:28:07.239 of the stories the people in like the towns start 1899 01:28:07.319 --> 01:28:13.079 popping up and Alistair Crowley's uh Book of Lies Yo, 1900 01:28:13.199 --> 01:28:15.119 and like all of a sudden, like even the Jamatria 1901 01:28:15.119 --> 01:28:16.560 and a lot of things that are showing up for 1902 01:28:16.600 --> 01:28:19.720 people's names or dates. So these people that cold start 1903 01:28:19.840 --> 01:28:23.880 like matching things in that book. When you it was 1904 01:28:24.279 --> 01:28:26.520 fucking weird. It was to the point to where me 1905 01:28:26.600 --> 01:28:28.520 and lest where like we don't even know, like this 1906 01:28:28.680 --> 01:28:32.560 could all just be like literally some fucking wild coincidence, 1907 01:28:32.720 --> 01:28:34.880 because like when we're looking at it, it's like I 1908 01:28:34.880 --> 01:28:36.600 still can't even tell you what the fuck's going on. 1909 01:28:36.680 --> 01:28:38.079 It's just fucking. 1910 01:28:37.800 --> 01:28:40.279 Plain out weird. 1911 01:28:40.439 --> 01:28:41.640 Like you know, I could sit here and that we 1912 01:28:41.680 --> 01:28:44.199 spent probably two hours like showing all these connections with 1913 01:28:44.239 --> 01:28:46.119 the numbers, and at the end, I'm like I can't, 1914 01:28:46.199 --> 01:28:49.520 like yeah, and I can't even tell you, like I 1915 01:28:49.560 --> 01:28:52.199 can't give you a conclusion to this myself. But it's 1916 01:28:52.239 --> 01:28:54.880 fucking bizarre. It's just really. 1917 01:28:54.720 --> 01:28:57.920 Imping about episode that did the other day. 1918 01:28:58.680 --> 01:29:01.680 No, no, no, this this we did probably almost two 1919 01:29:01.760 --> 01:29:04.720 years ago now, yeah, yeah, yeah, when Gilgo Beach first 1920 01:29:04.760 --> 01:29:07.479 popped off, me, me and Lisa got like heavy into 1921 01:29:07.600 --> 01:29:09.359 looking at it. We even had Jonathan Ray on the 1922 01:29:09.399 --> 01:29:13.399 podcast John Ray, I, well, I'm thinking, like you guys 1923 01:29:13.439 --> 01:29:15.640 are from Long Island and know the area. He's like, 1924 01:29:15.760 --> 01:29:17.720 he's like the lawyer that's like Alwa's popping up on 1925 01:29:17.760 --> 01:29:19.520 the news every once in a while, fucking stir and 1926 01:29:19.520 --> 01:29:22.479 ship about the fucking case. Yeah, and he dresses all 1927 01:29:22.560 --> 01:29:24.920 like fucking wild and he's got his big b on 1928 01:29:25.119 --> 01:29:26.159 his fucking yeah yeah. 1929 01:29:26.199 --> 01:29:28.760 I saw him on one of the documentaries I watched. 1930 01:29:28.800 --> 01:29:31.520 Yeah yeah, yeah, yeah yeah yeah. 1931 01:29:31.520 --> 01:29:34.079 So but yeah, definitely check yeah that ship. If you're 1932 01:29:34.079 --> 01:29:36.680 into the occult, I definitely think of some cult. 1933 01:29:36.600 --> 01:29:38.039 Stuff, look into it. 1934 01:29:38.159 --> 01:29:42.159 And when I come across some yeah, please please yeah. 1935 01:29:42.319 --> 01:29:44.960 Yeah, some guys have to do. 1936 01:29:45.000 --> 01:29:47.840 You guys have to do another Jamatria episode with that 1937 01:29:47.880 --> 01:29:50.359 one guy from the other day, because y'all did the 1938 01:29:50.720 --> 01:29:51.720 Ozzy Osbourne. 1939 01:29:51.920 --> 01:29:55.640 Yeah yeah that was fun, Hulkan dad. So now y'all 1940 01:29:55.680 --> 01:29:57.119 gotta put Hulk Hogan through the. 1941 01:29:59.279 --> 01:29:59.439 Yo. 1942 01:29:59.640 --> 01:30:02.439 That is that was something Uh I had to give 1943 01:30:02.479 --> 01:30:04.439 credit like, well, my Marie, I saw her make like 1944 01:30:04.479 --> 01:30:06.840 a post on like the eighty eights, because I always, 1945 01:30:06.880 --> 01:30:09.239 like you, was saying like, that's definitely popping up a 1946 01:30:09.279 --> 01:30:11.159 lot now, especially with Trump. You have eighty eight and 1947 01:30:11.199 --> 01:30:14.640 he got twenty two in there, and uh, she made 1948 01:30:14.680 --> 01:30:17.319 like a post about eighty eight and like somehow, I 1949 01:30:17.359 --> 01:30:19.399 don't know, maybe start going through like Jamatria and like 1950 01:30:19.520 --> 01:30:24.199 Trump equals eighty eight, Coldplay equals eighty eight, Epstein equals 1951 01:30:24.239 --> 01:30:27.359 eighty eight, and whole Colgan would be h which would 1952 01:30:27.359 --> 01:30:29.520 be the eighth letter of the alphabet, and hul Colgan 1953 01:30:29.640 --> 01:30:32.840 eighty eight. Yeah, And so like I ded all all 1954 01:30:32.880 --> 01:30:34.760 those in there, and I was like, Yo, what the 1955 01:30:34.840 --> 01:30:36.399 fuck's up with the eighty eights? 1956 01:30:36.560 --> 01:30:38.079 What's up with that? 1957 01:30:38.079 --> 01:30:40.760 That's all like coldplays huge now because of that bullshit, 1958 01:30:41.720 --> 01:30:44.399 Trump's huge, Epstein's being talked about again, and now Holp 1959 01:30:44.479 --> 01:30:49.960 dies eighty eight. What the fuck? Yeah, weird shit. 1960 01:30:51.000 --> 01:30:55.039 Sarah has eight letters and Unveiled has eight letters. 1961 01:30:56.479 --> 01:31:00.520 Go well, even even thinking of the octaves going eight yeah, yeah, 1962 01:31:00.760 --> 01:31:04.039 the Magician, he's got the the the eight or the 1963 01:31:04.079 --> 01:31:07.920 infinity symbol above his head tooth is my opinion. He's 1964 01:31:08.000 --> 01:31:10.520 like the Magician and that's on the eighth sphere on 1965 01:31:10.560 --> 01:31:11.159 the tree of life. 1966 01:31:11.199 --> 01:31:14.039 And we got the Linskate portal coming up to eight eight. 1967 01:31:15.800 --> 01:31:18.199 I'm actually recording a part two of Michamala series. On 1968 01:31:18.239 --> 01:31:26.479 that day, I was like, it can't end on that day. 1969 01:31:28.479 --> 01:31:33.479 Me and Jane Gott at least make Part two happen. Rebirth, 1970 01:31:33.920 --> 01:31:35.439 But thank you very much for having me on. That 1971 01:31:35.520 --> 01:31:37.640 was a blast. I really look forward to get both 1972 01:31:37.680 --> 01:31:38.720 of yous on for sure. 1973 01:31:38.840 --> 01:31:41.640 Yeah, that's gonna be fun. We're looking forward to it. 1974 01:31:41.760 --> 01:31:43.119 Where can everyone find you, nick? 1975 01:31:43.560 --> 01:31:47.039 Uh the Occult Rejects podcast that's on Bitch Rumble YouTube, 1976 01:31:47.119 --> 01:31:50.640 all major podcasts, and uh, we do have a cult 1977 01:31:50.720 --> 01:31:54.239 research institute dot org. I can check that out. We 1978 01:31:54.319 --> 01:31:55.840 got a bunch of people that are really the part 1979 01:31:55.880 --> 01:31:57.880 of the Occult reject or just friends of the show 1980 01:31:57.920 --> 01:32:01.039 that have added. Uh, if you're big into it's a 1981 01:32:01.039 --> 01:32:03.319 lot more of reading. But there is a lot of 1982 01:32:03.319 --> 01:32:04.079 stuff on there. 1983 01:32:04.720 --> 01:32:06.960 Yeah, for sure, I am into reading. 1984 01:32:07.079 --> 01:32:09.600 Yeah, oh definitely check that out there, especially like I 1985 01:32:09.640 --> 01:32:11.840 like a lot of the old occultists that we have covered, 1986 01:32:11.920 --> 01:32:15.479 or grimoires and books, those those are all up there. 1987 01:32:15.560 --> 01:32:17.119 Those are actually suggest to check out. 1988 01:32:17.720 --> 01:32:20.000 Yeah, yeah, that's good for sure. 1989 01:32:20.039 --> 01:32:21.560 And you know what's interesting when you go and look 1990 01:32:21.560 --> 01:32:23.439 at those things, believe it or not. I mean except 1991 01:32:23.439 --> 01:32:26.000 the Grim Wars, but like some of them, I think 1992 01:32:26.039 --> 01:32:30.840 people be surprised none of it is actually rituals. Yeah, 1993 01:32:30.880 --> 01:32:33.039 we were like realize that that's probably another thing. Both 1994 01:32:33.039 --> 01:32:35.359 of you can even co sign for me out of 1995 01:32:35.399 --> 01:32:37.560 all of these like old magical texts, A lot of 1996 01:32:37.600 --> 01:32:40.359 these things that we read as magicians or whatever trying 1997 01:32:40.359 --> 01:32:43.880 to figure out God and whatever reality. Most of them 1998 01:32:43.920 --> 01:32:45.560 don't have one fucking ritual. 1999 01:32:45.239 --> 01:32:49.119 In it, No, because you wouldn't write it down. 2000 01:32:49.520 --> 01:32:50.800 Not even that. But some of it, it's like, do 2001 01:32:50.840 --> 01:32:52.840 you need a ritual to theorize? Like you know what 2002 01:32:52.840 --> 01:32:54.399 I'm getting at? Like some of it it's not. I 2003 01:32:54.600 --> 01:32:57.800 think people just get confused again, you know they do. 2004 01:32:58.079 --> 01:32:59.520 That's like, out of all the things I've read about 2005 01:32:59.520 --> 01:33:03.239 the Cabala, uh, none of these things in that book. 2006 01:33:04.600 --> 01:33:06.520 Yeah mm hmm. 2007 01:33:07.119 --> 01:33:08.960 Those all ideas of what the spheres are about and 2008 01:33:08.960 --> 01:33:11.199 what the pants are about. You know, you could implicate 2009 01:33:11.239 --> 01:33:14.159 that into your rituals, but I think you know what 2010 01:33:14.159 --> 01:33:17.800 I'm trying to get at. Yeah, So yeah, I highly 2011 01:33:17.800 --> 01:33:20.039 suggest to like check out those old, the oldest stuff 2012 01:33:20.079 --> 01:33:22.680 that we have on there, and we do have. Again, 2013 01:33:22.720 --> 01:33:24.239 some of the rejects on there are a lot more 2014 01:33:24.319 --> 01:33:26.479 active than me and Lisa and reason I'm bringing her up. 2015 01:33:26.560 --> 01:33:30.119 As we started we started the website, you know, we 2016 01:33:30.239 --> 01:33:32.119 both kind of slacked, but there are some rejects on 2017 01:33:32.159 --> 01:33:34.159 there that are still continuing to put more stuff on there, 2018 01:33:34.159 --> 01:33:36.960 but there is actually tons of information on that website. 2019 01:33:37.439 --> 01:33:40.439 Cool Sarah, is it my churn? 2020 01:33:42.399 --> 01:33:52.760 Yeah girl, sure, YouTube, Spotify, rumble x, Spreaker, Instagram. 2021 01:33:52.960 --> 01:33:57.119 Yes, yay, you go girl, So that's where you can 2022 01:33:57.119 --> 01:33:57.600 find you you. 2023 01:33:57.880 --> 01:34:00.279 Also, we have our new merch store, so you want 2024 01:34:00.279 --> 01:34:03.880 to support the show and also get some awesome merch 2025 01:34:03.960 --> 01:34:06.399 with our beautiful logo on it. 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