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Speaker 1: You'll be away five seventeen. Do you want to report

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a UFO hanging in? We don't want to report every

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thirty one. Do you wish to report a UFO over hey,

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we want to one of those data areas thirty one.

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Do you wish to find a report of any kind

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of it?

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Speaker 2: I wouldn't know what kind of reports clouds, time areas

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thirty one me neither there. See if it was anybody

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above us to pass us, Like thirty.

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Speaker 1: Seconds ago, we were sending one top of golf negative.

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Speaker 2: Okay, off fi the UFO.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, it's murder ten nine o'clock. Yes, I'll passed over God.

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I don't know what it was, but it's from at

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least to three thousand feet above us. See, I passed

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out over the top of US.

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Speaker 3: Ninety one one.

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Speaker 1: Guy you just called up to me before they're after

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staying the airplanes.

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Speaker 2: He is se to God.

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Speaker 1: More calm in on an unidentified object every Liberty four

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call or calm on an unidentified flying object.

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Speaker 4: Welcome to UFO Chronicles, a place where people share their

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experiences of the strange and unexplained. If you've had an encounter,

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I would like to be on the show. You can

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email me at UFO Chronicles at gmail dot com. Hello everyone,

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hope you're all doing well out there. I'm Nick Hunter

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and this is the UFO Chronicles podcast. Tonight's guest is John,

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coming to us from Florida in the US, and John's

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experience began at the age of four when he awoke

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to find a strange fox like entity with glowing red

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eyes standing in his bedroom. Decades later, John experienced what

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he believed was an outer body experience and came face

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to face with a mysterious shadow figure. From childhood encounters

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to unexplained entities and astral experiences, read decades of high strangeness.

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John is up next, but first, if you enjoy a

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a link in the description of this episode. Any help

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is very much appreciated. Now on with the show, John, Hello,

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welcome to the podcast.

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Speaker 1: Hey, how you doing.

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Speaker 4: I Am you doing pretty good. It's good to have

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you with us tonight, and you're calling from the state

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of Florida.

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Speaker 1: Yes, sir, great stuff.

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Speaker 4: Okay, now, John, you have a few experiences that you're

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going to be sharing with us. Would you like to

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start at the beginning, please, sir.

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Speaker 2: So, a lot of my experiences started from like around

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age four, and then you know, I had some experiences

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when I think I was like nine, and then to

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like ten age and then well, I wouldn't say maybe ten,

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I'd probably say maybe eleven or so. And then a

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lot of my experiences stopped, and then I guess in

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a sense like vamped up twenty eighteen, twenty seventeen period

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till you know current now. So well, based on as

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far as like my first relevant as far as you know,

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experience happened when I was four years old.

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Speaker 1: And when I was four years old, you know, I

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was at home. We lived, as far as.

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my baby sister was sleeping in the crib. I think

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she was only maybe a couple of months old or so.

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I was asleep and then for some reason as far

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as like, I was awoken up, and as I got

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up and I stood like upright on my bed. I

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remember seeing like this thick I don't know the theeal

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type of like smoke, you can tell it, you know,

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initially it was conscious, like I'm I can say as

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far as when I was four years old, when I

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was looking at I had no clue what I was

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looking at. But the smoke enveloped itself, you know, sent

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through the window and into the room. And I remember

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as far as like the whole ambience of the room

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little bit light to like you can tell, like dark

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in a sense, and it took on the shape of

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a fox, and like a fox with red eyes you

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can see, like red shiny almost having like a shimmer,

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you know, glare to it red eyes.

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Speaker 1: And then it had can see the teeth, you can

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see the whole body.

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I said, in that black dick smoke. And then and

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at first when it appeared, I mean I was I

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was just basically like in shock. I didn't understand there

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quite you know, saying comprehend as far as you know,

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like I said, what I was looking at, Why I

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was being looked at it, and it roam around the room,

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and I remember, like my whole body was like paralyzed,

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Speaker 1: I guess you can say like you know.

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was like like paralyzed. And and I remember trying to

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like break out of that trance, and it wasn't enough

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up until as far as like this the fox, like

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when it was roaming around the room and then it

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jumped on top of the crib or where my baby

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sister was at, Like I remember that at that right

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at that moment, like I had to kind of you know,

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saying push from that threshold from being like nervous and

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scared to okay, now I have to be protective. And

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help or basically breaking through that that strong type of feeling.

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off my sister. And that's when you know what I'm saying,

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the entity, as far as you know what I'm saying,

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like you can tell it went big in the sense

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of like shock or so. And for some reason, or

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other when I kind of rea you know, analyzed as

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far as you know, it's in that particular experience, Like

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it kind of seem like it wasn't aware that I

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was in the room, and then it came until you know,

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and I remember its eyes, you know, saying, grew big,

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and then it jumped off the crib and then it

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jumps outside the window, and then like you can tell,

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like the whole abbiance of the room changed back to

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where it was at at that same timeframe.

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of like pressure on my left shoulder during that.

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was seemed maybe like a second or two, and I,

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you know, seen some type of like just light or so,

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where my bed was sitting at just at that same

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type of moment, you know, the fox, you know, saying

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wherever it was, you know, saying, jumps outside the window.

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in and then I'm like telling him, even at four

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years old what he exactly did I see?

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the usual, probably like a bad dream or so.

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for work in the morning, so he slept outside in

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the living room, I guess, like adjacent to where the

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door was at, so that way you could, you know,

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have some eye views on me. And I remember him,

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you know, saying, waking up in the morning, like he

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was just restless in that sense. And fast forward to

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a couple of my other experiences where I had seen

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that time frame, me and my cousin we had go back,

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you know, sent to the Caribbean and go visit family.

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was playing on the roof and while we were on

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the roof, we seen this big globe and like you know,

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it was making no noise, completely silent, but the movement

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it was making was like you can, like a smooth transition.

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of like proportion in that type of sense, and visiting

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my cousin you know on the Caribbeans. You know, they

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don't have that type of stuff. So I had to

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try to explain to him what a helicopter was in

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that type of sense. But you know, I had strobe

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lights that was kind of going around it, and it

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peered over as far as its mountain range, and within

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that time period, I don't know, you know, as far

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as like you know, sad time wise, but I do

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remember distinctly when it rose up from the mountain side

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and it slowly kind of panned over and then just

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kind of took a little bit more speed and then

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out of sight from there. Like I stated, you know,

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a couple of my experiences, it stopped, I guess for

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some reason, like right around eleven or twelve, I guess

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in that sense, and it didn't it stem back up

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until later later in time frame, and fast forward to

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the experience that I had.

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Speaker 1: I believe it was like twenty nineteen.

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Speaker 2: I was in I was, you know, I was just

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watching some TV and my girlfriend at the time frame,

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she lives with me, and while then since she you know,

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said hey, you know, I'm gonna go you know, get

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some rest and stuff like that, and I said, okay,

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I was gonna go finish my show, and you know,

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Joonie right afterwards, and I remember turning off TV, you

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know what I'm saying, cleaning up a little bit, and

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then you know, going off to bed. And I wasn't

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really tired or anything like that, because you know, I

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think it was like the you know, weekend time frame

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and you know.

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Speaker 1: Stay up.

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Speaker 2: And I laid down on my side because I was

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always like a side sleeper, and I laid on my side,

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and I don't even think no more than maybe three

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three to five minutes within that spend time frame.

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Speaker 1: I felt something cool out of me.

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Speaker 2: I don't know whether I caused it myself or it

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was some type of outside influence. And I felt pulled

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from my body and I was literally like standing right

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beside my body. And at the same time frame, I

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remember like glancing over and I'm looking at my like

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my whole body sleeping on the side, and I see

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my girlfriend, you know, laying on the other side.

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Speaker 1: She was I think she was like more than like

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face to the wall.

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Speaker 2: And I remember I was like looking at my hands

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and then my hands had liking like a greenish type

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of bluish type of hue with like little specks of

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like I don't know, sparkly dust if you.

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Speaker 2: And at the same timeframe when that initially that phenomenon

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had happened, I remember right then when I felt like

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I was being pulled out, I felt this type of

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knowing something was just about to happen and I needed

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to be aware of it in that type of sense.

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Speaker 1: And it was like the same thing that happened when

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I was four.

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Speaker 2: Something just kind of got me on my sleeping's case,

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Something's going to happen.

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Speaker 1: And in that instance, you know what I'm saying, when

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I when I got pulled out and.

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Speaker 2: I got that type of knowing, same thing as far

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as at four years old, it happened, the whole room changed,

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ombiance of the room change, and then I see the

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same black thick.

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Speaker 1: You know what I'm saying, the ethereal type of smoke.

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Speaker 2: And you know, I mean, I had no type of

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awareness as far as I guess at that second, you know,

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because everything happened.

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Speaker 1: Just so quick. And then it took the form of

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this seven feet maybe eight feet tall.

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its tall figure with this time it had gold bronze.

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It's yellowish eyes, and I remember like seeing its teeth

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and it was bluish I want to say, like bluish ivory,

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it was the same thing that I kind of matched

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up as far as you know, saying what would happened

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at four with the fox. And I remember looking at it,

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you know, it's shoulders and I remember seeing I guess

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nubs or ridges in that type of sense. And for

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some reason, you know, because I came from a military background,

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being former active duty, and for some reason, I kept

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getting the sense of whoever I was in front of,

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you know, because there was characteristics that I even felt,

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you know, saying within whatever this was, you can tell, like,

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you know, saying, it held some type of presence. And

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I got the type of feeling when I seen the

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ridges and I kept thinking, like Lieutenant officer.

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Speaker 1: You know, saying something of that type.

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Speaker 2: I don't know why, but that kept pointing out at

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that time frame, and I don't want it as far

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as you know, speculate into the fact that you know,

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if in the fact, if it was some type of

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you know, a reptilian figure in that type of sense.

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But that was the only characteristic of what I could

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kind of attach to because initially it felt that in

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that type of form, just like I said, just large presence,

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because I felt some type of what I could only

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characterize is almost like that type of force when you

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take two magnets and you kind of they have that

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type of opposition and you can kind of feel that

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magnetic you know, cent type of energy in between. Is

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what I felt within this presence. And for some reason

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or another, I remember having quick type of like glance

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while I was like, just try and absorb everything of

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what was happening me being in that type of astral

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form figure showing up out of the blue, you know

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what I'm saying. Of course, you know, saying menacing in

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nature stuff like that, not showing any signs of aggression

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or anything of that.

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Speaker 1: For some reason other I felt there was watching or

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basically intrigue.

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Speaker 2: By the fact that I when I got pulled out

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my body or so, and then that quick, quick glance

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of a moment, I remember feeling for some reason like

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somebody behind the whole phenomena, almost like a female feminine

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type of feeling, somebody in the back taking notes, almost

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like a double pane window type of feeling, and the

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whole phenomenon has happened in the front. And during that

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time frame, like I said, I was trying to absorb

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everything of what was kind of going on, like brain

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literally just moving from zero to three hundred, you know,

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just trying to get a grabb or feel of what's

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going on. And I remember just kind of thinking like, okay,

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I need some type of help try to figure out

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what's going on.

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Speaker 1: Just try to what's going on.

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Speaker 2: And initially, you know, so I called that to God

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because I was like, all right, then, like God, tell

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me out, like.

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Speaker 1: I don't know, you know, what's going on.

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Speaker 2: And at that same time frame, this whatever, as far

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as the figure was in front of me like looked

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at me and smiled or like grinned, and I remember

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just kind of just thinking to myself, what was that

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or what was that type of interaction? And once and

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after when it grinned, everything kind of as quickly as

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it came in, as quickly as it went out, the

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whole room goes back into you know what, it's regular.

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And I kind of remember being pulled back to my

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body and everything. And I woke up and looked sweats,

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like I said, just brain still moving, just trying to

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recollect exactly what exactly just transpire. And I remember glancing

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over and I was looking at my girlfriend and I

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thought maybe she had got up or you know, i'd

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seen what was kind of going on, and she was

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knocked out of sleep nothing, And I remember just getting

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up and I went to the living room and I

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probably was out there for like maybe an hour or

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two before I was like, all right, let me just

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go get some rest.

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Speaker 1: But when I fast forward to now, when I just

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kind of.

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Speaker 2: Put you know, all the pieces of the puzzle together

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in a sense and using you know, even like rock

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AI or other you know, AI platforms in order to

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kind of piece the whole phenomenon as a whole. And

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it was exactly what I was kind of thinking about.

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And I stated that the fact that the experience that

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happened in twenty nineteen had the same characteristics of the

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phenomenon that happened to me at my at age four.

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Up until then, even after that experience, you know, I

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had seen like blue orbs, red orbs. I mean different

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things as far as initially, like you know, as far

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as maybe like out of the norm or that type

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of sense, but doesn't have a time tambleover when they

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pop up. They just pop up, I guess without notice.

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And n that's pretty much my experience.

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Speaker 4: Well, thank you for sharing all that, John, starting with

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the fox experience, does a fox have any significance to

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you whatsoever?

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Speaker 2: So even with the Fox, I mean, because it's interesting

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as you brought that on, because I know, you know,

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everything's been in the news of black about the story,

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like disclosure Day, and I went out to the movie theaters,

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you know, by myself to go watch it, you know,

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and I was just get some time to myself. And

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I've been wanting to watch the movie for a long time,

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you know, being a fan of that older movie. Yeah,

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Close Encounters of the Third Kind I believe it was,

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you know, when I watched that movie, Like you know,

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I don't want to put any in anything as far

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as you know, send out there in that tempestence. But

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there was a particular scene where an animal, you know

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I'm saying, presented itself and I remember looking at the

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eyes of it, and then that that whole form of

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that scene it kind of matched what I had seen

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at age four in that type of absence, you know,

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if that makes any sense. So when for some reason

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or another, I do believe as far as you know, Sin,

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there's probably been other experiences as that's probably had somewhat,

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and I wouldn't say it is exactly to a degree

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or maybe send the phenomenon or unknown phenomenon of itself

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probably presented itself, maybe in a possible faction of animal

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or distinction.

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Speaker 1: Of an animal.

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Speaker 4: Yeah, that's pretty interesting. I mean foxes turned up in

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in folklore or globally actually a lot in Asia, you know, Asia,

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where they associate with elements of like smoke and mist.

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And when it first came into your room from the window,

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did it acknowledge you right away? Did it see you?

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Did it know you were there?

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Speaker 2: I don't think it it knew is initially I was there,

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Like you know, for some reason another when I keep

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kind of replaying that whole you know, that that whole experience.

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I feel without a doubt that at first, those first

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couple of moments, it did not know that I was

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there or I was able to see it, because I

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don't there was no acknowledgment in between that type of

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state that I was in, like, you know, just completely

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you know, frozen in fear of not knowing what can

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I even seeing, you know, in front of me. You know,

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I've never seen anything like that before, I mean even

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at the age of four, So yeah, there, I don't

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think there was no acknowledgment up until after, when for

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some reason another something gave me the type of strength

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to break through that trance and you know, saying do

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active instinctively, you know, in order to protect my sister because.

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Speaker 1: She was, you know, a baby in a crib.

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Speaker 2: And that's when I when I seen the eyes locked

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on to me and just like kind of like grew

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big almost like you know, saying like fearful or maybe

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maybe within that type of degree, you know what I'm saying,

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It was like shock, you know that I could actually

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see it and I vice versa, and it jumped out

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and then took.

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Speaker 4: Flight your sister was a baby at the time in

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the crib. Do you think it was it was there

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for your sister the reason why I entered the room.

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Speaker 2: I've kind of hondered that question too, and I don't

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I don't think so. But I think for some type

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of reason, maybe as far as like you know, because

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even thinking about at this time frame, when when I

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had both experiences and just kind of combining both, for

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some reason, I felt, you know, maybe it was testing

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to that degree. I don't think it was actually doing anything,

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you know what I'm saying maliciously, But in that in

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that in that quick second, there was a size where

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I kind of had to push aside and I had

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to you know, protect her nonetheless, because you know, all

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I just seen it when it jumped into it jumped

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on top of the crib like the rails of the

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crib and kind of like I guess, walked around it,

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and then it jumped inside the crib, and that was,

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you know, when I had to active extinctly from there.

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Speaker 1: The big brother and you took over correct very much.

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Speaker 2: So even still to this day now, I'm still protective of,

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you know, my sisters.

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Speaker 4: Of course, what woke you up that night. Did something

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wake you up?

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Speaker 1: I don't know what and instinctive it was. It wasn't

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anything physical.

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Speaker 2: It was almost like somebody you know, send throwing as

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far as a piece of information you know, into your

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brain or at your brain. And for some reason another

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I you know, I got up and like I said,

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I was just sitting upright on the bed like ninety degrees.

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I don't know, I can you know, best illustrate that.

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But I stood up from the bed and you know,

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that's when everything was presenting itself.

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Speaker 4: Must have been quite scary of that age, you know,

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not not sure what you were seeing.

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Speaker 2: It did because like at the same you know, the

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same time, I, you know, aged four, Like I mean,

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I I don't remember as far as you know, most

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TV shows or anything that I watched that at age.

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But for something to happen, you know, like that I got,

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you know, as as I'm telling you what had it

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transpired for some reason another I've always you know, didn't

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had that kind of like knack ability of retelling everything,

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you know, almost as if it's happening right then, and

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there's almost like a little four K video playing in

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your brain and then you're just illustrating it out exactly

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how however went about.

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Speaker 4: Yeah, actually, as some of my earliest memories are from

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that age, and I remember everything very very clearly, even

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though even though I'm nearly fifty and I can't remember

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what it did last week sometimes, But there's some of

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the memories I have of being that age is incredible.

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Speaker 1: Yeah.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, some some things that imprints on you. And I

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guess here in a sense here it's say just kind

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of tattoos itself on you.

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Speaker 4: That's a good way of putting it. Yeah, I think

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you're right. Yeah, imprint wonderful. Okay, did you ever tell

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your sister about this something like this happened?

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Speaker 2: I didn't tell my sister about that, you know, that

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that phenomenon, that experience.

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Speaker 1: Until years years later on.

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Speaker 2: I mean maybe in the sense I was always just

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kind of just maybe you know, always protective of her,

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and I'll always kind of like protective of her feelings also,

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so I told her a little big years that didn't

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were afterwards, you know, so she got a little bit older,

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and when I told her, I mean, you know, she

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was just in disbelief. You know, my family comes from

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of course, you know, like a Christian background and you know,

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heavily in the church in that type of sense. So

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for her, when I told her that, she said that,

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you know, it was something may have been something demonic

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or anything like that nature. So to her, she acknowledged it,

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but she didn't really kind of like believe it. And

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for me kind of you know, still growing up in

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the church but kind of traversing making my own path

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and that type of sense, you know, I knew to

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this day in time.

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Speaker 1: For her, I was like, you know, when I piece

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a lot of.

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Speaker 2: My experiences on and I'm like, yeah, no, it's not demonic,

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it's just something different.

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Speaker 4: And with the when you're four years old and the

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Fox experience, did it feel like did it feel like

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a test to you?

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Speaker 1: It definitely feel like some type of tests.

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Speaker 2: I mean, you know, you know for years after age

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four and then I don't know, for some reason or another,

481
00:26:10,759 --> 00:26:13,960
it guess when kind of growing up adolescents like you

482
00:26:14,160 --> 00:26:17,039
just kind of compartmentalize a lot of things and does

483
00:26:17,039 --> 00:26:18,960
a lot of those things doesn't kind of like make

484
00:26:19,000 --> 00:26:22,000
it kind of right way until like a little bit

485
00:26:22,079 --> 00:26:25,480
later in time frame. But yeah, no, it didn't pop

486
00:26:25,599 --> 00:26:28,960
up you know until now. Frequently but yeah, I mean

487
00:26:29,000 --> 00:26:29,799
it was just different.

488
00:26:30,319 --> 00:26:32,440
Speaker 4: I grew up in a Christian family, and it's good

489
00:26:32,519 --> 00:26:35,000
that you didn't just see as demons and as being

490
00:26:35,240 --> 00:26:40,200
evil and stuff. You just simply saw it as something different. Yeah, correct,

491
00:26:40,519 --> 00:26:47,119
and nineteen now a body experience. Was there anything particularly

492
00:26:47,200 --> 00:26:50,680
that you were going through during that time period, I mean,

493
00:26:50,759 --> 00:26:54,160
were you were you stressful? Were you under any pressure

494
00:26:54,240 --> 00:26:54,839
or anything like that?

495
00:26:55,519 --> 00:26:57,640
Speaker 1: No, don't. I don't think I was any any pressure.

496
00:26:57,880 --> 00:27:00,559
Speaker 2: Yeah, doing that, I mean everything which is kind of

497
00:27:00,599 --> 00:27:03,160
flowing naturally, so as I was joined as far as

498
00:27:03,200 --> 00:27:05,799
as much time as I could on the weekends and

499
00:27:05,960 --> 00:27:08,640
then I'll just go by the same type of cycle.

500
00:27:08,720 --> 00:27:10,240
But yeah, I don't think as far as there was

501
00:27:10,319 --> 00:27:13,200
any type of stresses or pressures that I can say

502
00:27:13,440 --> 00:27:16,279
that was making some type of influence.

503
00:27:15,920 --> 00:27:16,519
Speaker 3: Around that time.

504
00:27:16,640 --> 00:27:20,960
Speaker 4: Now, okay, and that was the only time you've had

505
00:27:21,000 --> 00:27:25,480
an that body experience. Have you ever tried meditating or

506
00:27:25,519 --> 00:27:28,519
anything like that? I mean during that period, I don't.

507
00:27:28,559 --> 00:27:30,559
Speaker 2: I don't even think I took on any type of

508
00:27:30,680 --> 00:27:34,559
form of like meditation until a little bit right after

509
00:27:34,759 --> 00:27:35,720
a lot of those.

510
00:27:35,720 --> 00:27:37,920
Speaker 1: Phenomenon was around twenty nineteen.

511
00:27:38,400 --> 00:27:41,240
Speaker 2: Yeah, I do try my best to you know, meditate

512
00:27:41,680 --> 00:27:45,599
nightly now and just kind of profound myself from there.

513
00:27:45,880 --> 00:27:49,079
Speaker 4: Good for the soul, I think, Yeah, that's definitely and

514
00:27:49,960 --> 00:27:53,559
it's very similar to my body experience. That is that

515
00:27:53,920 --> 00:27:57,000
also happened in my bedroom. My wife was still asleep.

516
00:27:57,480 --> 00:27:59,920
Did you know what was happening when you looked by

517
00:28:00,359 --> 00:28:02,319
on yourself and your wife? Did you know what was

518
00:28:02,359 --> 00:28:02,880
happening to you?

519
00:28:03,960 --> 00:28:04,960
Speaker 1: Nona?

520
00:28:05,359 --> 00:28:08,200
Speaker 2: I mean, because it was like when it when it happened,

521
00:28:09,200 --> 00:28:11,039
and then it's just like you had a flood of

522
00:28:11,160 --> 00:28:16,200
other experiences happened thereafterwards, Because I mean I can tell

523
00:28:16,279 --> 00:28:18,359
even for myself, like you know, even just kind of

524
00:28:18,400 --> 00:28:21,359
growing up, like I never really I never really kind

525
00:28:21,400 --> 00:28:23,680
of looked into it like that. You know, I remember

526
00:28:23,799 --> 00:28:26,079
growing up watching like X files or stuff like that,

527
00:28:26,319 --> 00:28:28,720
or being even scared of watching x files.

528
00:28:29,359 --> 00:28:32,440
Speaker 1: But I mean, for the most part, when it happened,

529
00:28:33,359 --> 00:28:34,440
I guess in the sense like.

530
00:28:34,480 --> 00:28:36,519
Speaker 2: You have to just kind of grab as much as

531
00:28:36,559 --> 00:28:39,039
the data you can you can and just try to

532
00:28:39,960 --> 00:28:42,920
rubric it, you know, and just trying to organize and

533
00:28:43,079 --> 00:28:44,920
then just try to get some type of sense of

534
00:28:45,240 --> 00:28:46,400
what's actually happening.

535
00:28:46,839 --> 00:28:49,079
Speaker 4: Yeah, I mean, for me, it was it was shocked.

536
00:28:50,119 --> 00:28:52,960
I didn't know what to do. In hindsight, you know,

537
00:28:53,039 --> 00:28:55,319
I wished I had wandered out the house and wandered

538
00:28:55,359 --> 00:28:58,480
around and explored a little bit more. I try and

539
00:28:58,559 --> 00:29:01,400
think how long it lasted. It felt like it was

540
00:29:01,519 --> 00:29:04,599
just a matter of minutes, But I don't know how

541
00:29:04,720 --> 00:29:07,480
long for you did the time? Did it feel like

542
00:29:07,559 --> 00:29:09,119
a period of time all this happened?

543
00:29:09,759 --> 00:29:11,799
Speaker 2: Well, I mean, it's funny as you asked that, because

544
00:29:11,880 --> 00:29:15,640
like when that whole kind of phenomenon happened, and even

545
00:29:15,880 --> 00:29:18,440
like you know, when it happened at four, for some

546
00:29:18,599 --> 00:29:21,319
reason another, I always felt like there was this little

547
00:29:21,440 --> 00:29:25,119
box just happening, you know what I'm saying, like almost

548
00:29:25,240 --> 00:29:28,359
like a dimensional time and in time and space just

549
00:29:28,480 --> 00:29:33,359
happening for me and everybody else, you know, sitting on

550
00:29:33,440 --> 00:29:36,640
the outer end, say words, wasn't you know, disturbed vibe?

551
00:29:36,799 --> 00:29:39,680
Because it was weird to me that that whole phenomenon

552
00:29:39,920 --> 00:29:43,640
was happening. And you know, my girlfriend on the other side, like,

553
00:29:43,720 --> 00:29:46,160
you know, for some reason or another, I felt maybe

554
00:29:46,200 --> 00:29:49,640
she had either heard something or anything, but she was

555
00:29:50,000 --> 00:29:55,519
just completely dislodged from you know, what was happening. Only

556
00:29:55,680 --> 00:29:57,759
to kind of get up to some type of courage

557
00:29:57,799 --> 00:30:00,720
and actually tell her about it year and a half,

558
00:30:00,880 --> 00:30:03,559
year and a half afterwards, you know, after it happened.

559
00:30:03,319 --> 00:30:05,640
Speaker 4: And you you could see you actually could see your

560
00:30:06,000 --> 00:30:06,559
your hand.

561
00:30:07,599 --> 00:30:10,559
Speaker 2: Yeah, it was like a bluish type of green for

562
00:30:10,720 --> 00:30:14,839
some reason another like I always remembered those little there's

563
00:30:14,839 --> 00:30:16,720
a little I don't know, sparkles, you know what I'm

564
00:30:16,720 --> 00:30:19,599
saying in between this as almost as if like you're

565
00:30:19,680 --> 00:30:23,759
looking at space and like you can see those black

566
00:30:23,880 --> 00:30:27,920
you know, send the void in between. But like I said, yeah,

567
00:30:27,960 --> 00:30:31,799
it was like bluish, bluish greenish type for what I

568
00:30:31,880 --> 00:30:33,480
remember distinctly.

569
00:30:33,640 --> 00:30:37,680
Speaker 4: Your astra body interesting. I mean for me, I just

570
00:30:37,799 --> 00:30:40,440
felt like a pair of eyes. I didn't I didn't

571
00:30:40,480 --> 00:30:43,599
remember seeing my body. I could move around and I could,

572
00:30:43,720 --> 00:30:46,920
you know, look in different directions. I didn't think to do,

573
00:30:47,319 --> 00:30:50,079
to do anything other than just remain in shock. And

574
00:30:50,160 --> 00:30:53,079
before I knew it, I was just pulled straight back

575
00:30:53,119 --> 00:30:53,319
and I.

576
00:30:53,319 --> 00:30:56,319
Speaker 1: Woke up like a first person view exactly like that.

577
00:30:56,480 --> 00:30:58,240
Speaker 4: Yeah, I mean at the time I was, I was

578
00:30:58,319 --> 00:31:00,559
in the quite a lot of stress. Other than that,

579
00:31:00,680 --> 00:31:03,279
there was no other reason for it to happen, and

580
00:31:03,400 --> 00:31:04,400
it's never happened since.

581
00:31:04,920 --> 00:31:08,359
Speaker 2: Yeah, because a lot of times, like you know, from

582
00:31:08,400 --> 00:31:11,079
one time or another. But when it was like twenty

583
00:31:11,160 --> 00:31:14,240
seventeen around that period, you know, up until like now,

584
00:31:14,720 --> 00:31:16,680
it felt like as far as there was like this

585
00:31:16,839 --> 00:31:21,039
type of quiet period in my early life teenagers to

586
00:31:21,519 --> 00:31:25,599
like early like twenties or so, and for some reason another,

587
00:31:25,799 --> 00:31:27,880
like I always kind of ask that question, like why

588
00:31:28,079 --> 00:31:31,279
was it quiet in between that little period? But then

589
00:31:31,359 --> 00:31:35,160
it just started vamping up up until like now, and

590
00:31:35,279 --> 00:31:38,640
then I can recollect all these other experiences that happened

591
00:31:39,200 --> 00:31:42,839
from eleven and ten to nine eight or so at

592
00:31:43,000 --> 00:31:46,240
a time, having a lot more questions and then you know,

593
00:31:46,480 --> 00:31:50,400
actually thinking about getting answers, and you know, I utilize

594
00:31:50,480 --> 00:31:53,799
AI saying to try to, like I said, organize and

595
00:31:53,960 --> 00:31:56,920
make some type of sense to some degree, you know.

596
00:31:56,960 --> 00:31:59,000
And I'm pretty sure there's other people out there who

597
00:31:59,200 --> 00:32:02,119
try to do the same on their experience as well.

598
00:32:02,720 --> 00:32:05,400
But yeah, I mean it's just something that you know,

599
00:32:05,559 --> 00:32:07,640
I guess time and time again. I think I'm just

600
00:32:07,759 --> 00:32:10,880
kind of just roving through that type of path of

601
00:32:11,079 --> 00:32:13,920
just figuring out, you know, just like everybody else.

602
00:32:14,319 --> 00:32:17,359
Speaker 4: Yeah, I think it's important to see if there are patterns.

603
00:32:17,400 --> 00:32:19,319
I mean, is there anything that you've found so far,

604
00:32:19,640 --> 00:32:24,880
say like location maybe or times periods when it happens now.

605
00:32:25,240 --> 00:32:27,559
Speaker 2: Because I mean, for something, I tried a couple of

606
00:32:27,640 --> 00:32:30,480
even like videos or even other things you know that

607
00:32:30,599 --> 00:32:34,640
I've tried to collect de other Wise, I tried to

608
00:32:34,759 --> 00:32:37,759
type of rubric it in some type of form, you know,

609
00:32:37,960 --> 00:32:40,359
to try to see those type of patterns, But there's none.

610
00:32:40,599 --> 00:32:43,759
Speaker 1: Is like everything's just kind of been sporadic.

611
00:32:44,359 --> 00:32:47,759
Speaker 4: What about the houses if you lived obviously these have

612
00:32:47,880 --> 00:32:51,400
happened in different houses. Did you ever have any other

613
00:32:51,519 --> 00:32:55,440
paranormal activity in your houses, especially when you were younger.

614
00:32:55,640 --> 00:32:58,640
Speaker 2: A lot younger was I don't know, they were more

615
00:32:58,799 --> 00:33:01,839
like spiritual can like I don't think it had anything

616
00:33:01,920 --> 00:33:05,240
to do with like the UFO phenomenon of that type

617
00:33:05,240 --> 00:33:07,200
of sense, but it was definitely something different because I.

618
00:33:07,160 --> 00:33:10,559
Speaker 1: Mean there was like one house where my mom and my.

619
00:33:10,680 --> 00:33:14,480
Speaker 2: Sisters and I lived that made that timeframe, and she

620
00:33:14,680 --> 00:33:18,440
rented out the house and I lived in the back

621
00:33:18,519 --> 00:33:21,319
of the room. Like it seems like as far as

622
00:33:21,359 --> 00:33:24,160
this room that was just like added on to the house,

623
00:33:25,079 --> 00:33:28,960
and my closet was a furnace, like out of all

624
00:33:29,119 --> 00:33:31,640
the rooms in the house, you know I ended up

625
00:33:31,720 --> 00:33:33,279
you know what I'm saying with the one with the

626
00:33:33,559 --> 00:33:36,920
water heater, furnace or whatever. And I remember I had

627
00:33:37,000 --> 00:33:40,119
my TV at that corner of that, you know, like

628
00:33:40,240 --> 00:33:43,839
I said, just having that door closed and then TV

629
00:33:43,960 --> 00:33:46,200
at the corner. I do remember like there was a

630
00:33:46,279 --> 00:33:48,720
lot of where sometimes like you know, when the TV's

631
00:33:48,799 --> 00:33:51,640
like playing and then like something just like happens like

632
00:33:51,720 --> 00:33:54,039
out of the normal, out of blue. But there was

633
00:33:54,160 --> 00:33:56,799
something that I always kind of felt some type of

634
00:33:56,920 --> 00:34:01,319
like presence, maybe not not my might have been exactly

635
00:34:01,440 --> 00:34:05,359
good in that type of sense. And even when I

636
00:34:05,480 --> 00:34:07,559
told my mom about that a little bit later, and

637
00:34:07,759 --> 00:34:09,960
she believed me because she said that she felt the

638
00:34:10,039 --> 00:34:14,400
same thing a lot of my experiences in a sense

639
00:34:14,639 --> 00:34:17,920
I said around that twenty nineteen and you know, twenty eighteen,

640
00:34:18,039 --> 00:34:20,559
a couple of years afterwards, you know, up until now,

641
00:34:20,719 --> 00:34:25,840
like those experiences at that household where I stated that

642
00:34:25,960 --> 00:34:30,280
happened with that twenty nineteen event that in that household itself,

643
00:34:30,400 --> 00:34:32,480
you know, I felt like had a lot of activity,

644
00:34:33,280 --> 00:34:37,480
and not really in the sense of spiritual peronomal in

645
00:34:37,559 --> 00:34:38,320
that type of sense.

646
00:34:38,400 --> 00:34:40,920
Speaker 1: It felt like it was all a mix of more

647
00:34:41,760 --> 00:34:43,559
uap Nhi.

648
00:34:43,440 --> 00:34:46,239
Speaker 2: You know, same type of experiences rather than it was

649
00:34:46,400 --> 00:34:48,280
anything spiritual in that sense.

650
00:34:48,880 --> 00:34:51,800
Speaker 4: Okay, as far as the religion goes, do you think

651
00:34:51,920 --> 00:34:55,079
this has made you less or more religious?

652
00:34:55,599 --> 00:34:58,679
Speaker 2: I wouldn't say as far as less religious, I would

653
00:34:58,719 --> 00:35:00,719
say that I've always got I have been more in

654
00:35:00,800 --> 00:35:03,960
the neutral zone where I still respect as far as

655
00:35:04,360 --> 00:35:07,719
different practices, but I've just kind of chosen as far

656
00:35:07,800 --> 00:35:08,920
as my own path.

657
00:35:09,119 --> 00:35:10,960
Speaker 1: And it's still positive route.

658
00:35:11,320 --> 00:35:13,800
Speaker 2: But I still have as far as like a lot

659
00:35:13,840 --> 00:35:15,760
of my beliefs, a lot of my beliefs aren't going

660
00:35:15,840 --> 00:35:18,400
to change, you know. You know, I still always you know,

661
00:35:18,480 --> 00:35:20,960
simp believe in the one Creator. You know, God's sourcing it,

662
00:35:21,159 --> 00:35:23,559
you know. But I don't think as far as the

663
00:35:23,639 --> 00:35:27,079
phenomenon in that extent kind of changed or.

664
00:35:27,159 --> 00:35:29,760
Speaker 1: Put it definitely put a lot of questions in that

665
00:35:29,880 --> 00:35:30,480
type of sense.

666
00:35:30,639 --> 00:35:33,440
Speaker 2: But I think I think just eventually later on in time,

667
00:35:33,800 --> 00:35:35,960
you know, I just kind of seen a lot of hypocrisy,

668
00:35:36,199 --> 00:35:38,719
you know what I'm saying that came out of since

669
00:35:38,800 --> 00:35:41,519
some churches in that elements where you know, when it

670
00:35:41,679 --> 00:35:44,639
was supposed to be supporting good rather you know, later

671
00:35:44,719 --> 00:35:46,400
on and figuring out it was just something, you know,

672
00:35:46,559 --> 00:35:49,239
doing something different, but just more or less I guess

673
00:35:49,639 --> 00:35:52,519
losing a lot of respect in that. But I just

674
00:35:52,920 --> 00:35:55,239
created my own little path, and I'm sure a lot

675
00:35:55,320 --> 00:35:56,320
of other people.

676
00:35:56,119 --> 00:35:57,440
Speaker 1: Have done the same. Yeah.

677
00:35:57,480 --> 00:35:58,559
Speaker 4: Absolutely, yeah, I.

678
00:35:58,599 --> 00:35:59,039
Speaker 1: Agree with that.

679
00:36:07,079 --> 00:36:09,840
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Speaker 1: It's Time, It's new, It's the x x X.

690
00:36:57,639 --> 00:37:01,360
Speaker 4: The military figure. That was the many time you saw

691
00:37:01,480 --> 00:37:02,599
that particular.

692
00:37:02,239 --> 00:37:05,199
Speaker 2: Figure during that time from me had I had been

693
00:37:05,280 --> 00:37:08,400
already separated from the military. I had, you know, separated

694
00:37:08,480 --> 00:37:11,280
back in twenty twelve and served you know, another year

695
00:37:11,440 --> 00:37:15,119
and as a contractor. But within that time frame during

696
00:37:15,159 --> 00:37:19,760
the military, I didn't have any experiences, nothing you know,

697
00:37:19,880 --> 00:37:22,760
out of the paranormal blue or anything like that, despite

698
00:37:22,840 --> 00:37:24,760
as far as you know, the clearance that I had,

699
00:37:25,599 --> 00:37:28,400
but I mean still like I mean, there was nothing

700
00:37:28,480 --> 00:37:31,400
as far as out of the blue or out the normal, uh,

701
00:37:31,519 --> 00:37:34,559
you know that normal view of things scope.

702
00:37:34,280 --> 00:37:37,960
Speaker 4: Things, and you definitely felt it was some sort of creature.

703
00:37:38,599 --> 00:37:44,159
Speaker 2: And both experiences, yes, one percent, like I mean, living, breathing,

704
00:37:44,400 --> 00:37:47,559
conscious and then in that type of nature. You know,

705
00:37:47,639 --> 00:37:51,159
I've tried to research to some type of degree, like

706
00:37:51,360 --> 00:37:54,280
what that What was the purpose of like that black

707
00:37:54,639 --> 00:37:58,360
type of like smoke, you know, almost conscious in itself,

708
00:37:58,760 --> 00:38:01,920
able to take you know, in different like forms within itself.

709
00:38:02,360 --> 00:38:04,559
Speaker 1: I mean that's something I'm still trying to figure out

710
00:38:04,639 --> 00:38:05,079
to this day.

711
00:38:05,480 --> 00:38:07,840
Speaker 4: It just depends in what box you put it into,

712
00:38:07,920 --> 00:38:11,840
whether you put into a paranormal box, alien UFO box.

713
00:38:12,320 --> 00:38:12,480
Speaker 1: Yeah.

714
00:38:12,519 --> 00:38:15,400
Speaker 2: When I when I actually kind of propose that question,

715
00:38:15,760 --> 00:38:18,159
you know, when I was like using like rock platform

716
00:38:18,519 --> 00:38:21,920
kind of bring to a pretty good distinction of I

717
00:38:22,000 --> 00:38:24,320
guess trying to find some type of baseline about it.

718
00:38:24,440 --> 00:38:26,840
But when I asked the question, it kind of stated

719
00:38:26,920 --> 00:38:29,400
in the form of like in a term of like

720
00:38:29,719 --> 00:38:34,199
interstellar entities or interstellar objects in that matter could present

721
00:38:34,280 --> 00:38:38,280
itself in a different form because as far as the

722
00:38:38,400 --> 00:38:41,840
density of where we are versus from what you know,

723
00:38:41,960 --> 00:38:45,039
what there is so and initially could take the form

724
00:38:45,119 --> 00:38:48,079
of something. But in a long time frame, I always

725
00:38:48,119 --> 00:38:51,559
felt when I kept reliving as far as that experience is,

726
00:38:51,719 --> 00:38:53,519
not having a lot of experiences, I.

727
00:38:53,559 --> 00:38:56,280
Speaker 1: Mean, not having a lot of answers out of that.

728
00:38:57,360 --> 00:39:00,480
Speaker 2: And when I kind of thought about it, I kept

729
00:39:00,559 --> 00:39:02,480
thinking that you know what I'm saying, of course, like

730
00:39:02,719 --> 00:39:06,880
maybe it might have been something malevolent, but just the

731
00:39:07,039 --> 00:39:11,880
characteristics of things that happened within it up until now,

732
00:39:12,079 --> 00:39:14,760
like I always asks, as far as I know, you know,

733
00:39:14,880 --> 00:39:17,360
there was more to it than what it was. For

734
00:39:17,480 --> 00:39:19,719
some reason another I felt it was more like a

735
00:39:19,840 --> 00:39:23,960
check in a box because even in an absence, you know, saying,

736
00:39:24,000 --> 00:39:24,760
when I got.

737
00:39:24,719 --> 00:39:28,599
Speaker 1: Out of my body and that that obe and.

738
00:39:28,760 --> 00:39:31,320
Speaker 2: Then here it is right in front of me, it's

739
00:39:31,360 --> 00:39:35,320
not doing anything observing even you know, saying, even if

740
00:39:35,400 --> 00:39:38,440
I felt like the force of what I felt, for

741
00:39:38,559 --> 00:39:40,920
some reason or another, I felt, as far as I

742
00:39:41,000 --> 00:39:45,440
guess that opposition, that that energy in between because it

743
00:39:45,559 --> 00:39:48,079
was so much like it felt it was literally gonna

744
00:39:48,199 --> 00:39:52,280
like fold you or like fold you in half kind

745
00:39:52,320 --> 00:39:54,480
of like pushing back, you know, almost like it.

746
00:39:54,559 --> 00:39:57,760
Speaker 1: Deserved as far as some type of respect in some

747
00:39:57,960 --> 00:40:01,400
type of manner. But it wasn't doing anything. It wasn't

748
00:40:02,199 --> 00:40:03,239
it was just there.

749
00:40:04,199 --> 00:40:07,599
Speaker 2: And then when after the experience, when it happened, like

750
00:40:07,719 --> 00:40:09,639
when I asked myself for like a lot of it

751
00:40:09,639 --> 00:40:13,440
and I try to like pay piece everything together, it kept,

752
00:40:13,639 --> 00:40:15,760
you know, striking out to me that some type of

753
00:40:15,800 --> 00:40:17,800
absence in mind, like when I even put it in

754
00:40:17,920 --> 00:40:19,000
AI and like.

755
00:40:19,159 --> 00:40:21,920
Speaker 1: Rock or different AI, like it was the same thing.

756
00:40:22,039 --> 00:40:23,800
Speaker 2: It was almost as if it was some type of

757
00:40:23,960 --> 00:40:28,280
training checking a box or seeing what's kind of going on,

758
00:40:29,000 --> 00:40:31,840
observing when as far as when I seen as far

759
00:40:31,920 --> 00:40:35,360
as like the entity when he grinned or like smiled,

760
00:40:35,480 --> 00:40:38,840
it was almost as if I did something that was

761
00:40:38,920 --> 00:40:42,000
supposed to be like it was supposed to be done,

762
00:40:42,039 --> 00:40:44,920
almost like a little like a little training clipboard in

763
00:40:45,000 --> 00:40:47,199
that type of sense, like just kind of like checking off.

764
00:40:48,079 --> 00:40:50,400
Then that was that was initially as far as what

765
00:40:50,559 --> 00:40:52,400
I felt, you know, strongly.

766
00:40:52,039 --> 00:40:52,400
Speaker 1: Out of that.

767
00:40:52,920 --> 00:40:55,880
Speaker 4: Okay, so again like a test like a lesson, did

768
00:40:56,079 --> 00:40:57,639
you feel scared about this ensity.

769
00:40:58,039 --> 00:41:00,400
Speaker 2: I mean it, I mean, when it's presented in front

770
00:41:00,440 --> 00:41:02,320
of you, I mean, you have no choice but to

771
00:41:02,440 --> 00:41:04,039
kind of like feel some type of way.

772
00:41:04,960 --> 00:41:08,239
Speaker 1: But I think my brain was just kind of just trying.

773
00:41:08,039 --> 00:41:12,360
Speaker 2: To raising both what I was seeing being in that

774
00:41:12,599 --> 00:41:15,079
form and just I guess like the brain was just

775
00:41:15,199 --> 00:41:18,800
kind of going too fast enough to even feel some

776
00:41:19,000 --> 00:41:21,679
type of fear in that by absence, Like I think

777
00:41:21,719 --> 00:41:25,639
I was just there just to try to absorb everything

778
00:41:25,719 --> 00:41:29,320
that was kind of going on. And I mean I

779
00:41:29,400 --> 00:41:31,840
think it served right because you know, when I actually

780
00:41:32,000 --> 00:41:35,159
pieced everything together, I knew that there was more to

781
00:41:35,320 --> 00:41:40,000
the phenomenon than what it was, even being connected in

782
00:41:40,119 --> 00:41:41,400
a lot of characteristics.

783
00:41:41,480 --> 00:41:43,679
Speaker 1: As it happened to me when I was when I

784
00:41:43,760 --> 00:41:44,519
was four years.

785
00:41:44,360 --> 00:41:48,039
Speaker 2: Old, it was almost as if when it happened, it

786
00:41:48,199 --> 00:41:53,400
wanted me to piece both experiences and try to make

787
00:41:53,480 --> 00:41:55,559
some like almost like little breadcrumbs.

788
00:41:56,159 --> 00:41:59,400
Speaker 4: And after it smiled at you did were you pulled

789
00:41:59,440 --> 00:42:01,239
straight in your body directly after.

790
00:42:02,440 --> 00:42:05,480
Speaker 2: After its mouth and everything, and then it because when

791
00:42:05,519 --> 00:42:08,280
it first came in, when I seen that black type

792
00:42:08,320 --> 00:42:11,239
of smoke, I don't think I remember seeing it flow

793
00:42:11,440 --> 00:42:13,719
into the window as it did when I was at four.

794
00:42:14,400 --> 00:42:17,239
But for some reason, when I remember seeing the whole

795
00:42:17,320 --> 00:42:20,639
room kind of changing, this time, it looked like it

796
00:42:20,760 --> 00:42:23,559
came from out the ground. And then, like I said,

797
00:42:23,800 --> 00:42:25,719
just you know, a whole bunch of just smoking and

798
00:42:25,920 --> 00:42:27,760
you can see it just kind of like take its

799
00:42:27,800 --> 00:42:28,519
form from there.

800
00:42:28,840 --> 00:42:31,719
Speaker 1: You can just see it and you can tell, like

801
00:42:31,880 --> 00:42:32,679
you know, saying it was.

802
00:42:33,679 --> 00:42:38,199
Speaker 2: Maybe muscular in size, great stature or I guess overwhelming

803
00:42:38,280 --> 00:42:40,320
stature in that time sense, it.

804
00:42:40,360 --> 00:42:43,480
Speaker 4: Sounds intimidating, all right. And when it famed from the

805
00:42:43,599 --> 00:42:47,079
smoke into the figure, was it gradual or was it

806
00:42:47,320 --> 00:42:47,719
just there?

807
00:42:48,440 --> 00:42:50,800
Speaker 2: Yeah, it was just you can see an envelople of

808
00:42:50,960 --> 00:42:53,679
like smoke and smoke on the ground. And then but

809
00:42:54,000 --> 00:42:57,519
you can see it was thick, you know, because almost

810
00:42:57,639 --> 00:43:00,960
like a void within itself because like nothing behind it.

811
00:43:01,159 --> 00:43:04,599
You know, I'm saying, what's translucent enough to penetrate to

812
00:43:04,960 --> 00:43:08,000
try to create some type of impression. Just kind of

813
00:43:08,039 --> 00:43:11,639
seemed like it was living, breathing within itself, like conscious.

814
00:43:12,360 --> 00:43:16,599
And when it developed, it didn't happened quick. But I

815
00:43:16,719 --> 00:43:18,639
guess in a sense when I was looking at it

816
00:43:18,920 --> 00:43:21,840
it maybe I mean, I mean maybe a span of

817
00:43:21,960 --> 00:43:24,320
like maybe a couple of seconds and some type of degree.

818
00:43:24,400 --> 00:43:27,119
Speaker 1: But yeah, it came straight out from the.

819
00:43:27,159 --> 00:43:30,360
Speaker 2: Ground and then like an enveloped in into itself, and

820
00:43:30,960 --> 00:43:33,480
I guess collected, you know what I'm saying, because I

821
00:43:33,559 --> 00:43:35,360
felt like as far as the smoke came from in

822
00:43:35,480 --> 00:43:39,000
different areas and then it just enveloped into itself.

823
00:43:39,079 --> 00:43:41,480
Speaker 1: And to this figure you mentioned.

824
00:43:41,320 --> 00:43:43,960
Speaker 4: A female and did you see this female presence in

825
00:43:44,039 --> 00:43:44,360
the room.

826
00:43:44,960 --> 00:43:47,280
Speaker 2: I did not see the female presence in the room,

827
00:43:47,360 --> 00:43:49,559
but it was like something that I stranged, you like,

828
00:43:49,800 --> 00:43:52,199
felt when I was trying to collect everything that was

829
00:43:52,280 --> 00:43:53,239
kind of transpiring.

830
00:43:53,760 --> 00:43:54,800
Speaker 1: It was something that just.

831
00:43:54,880 --> 00:43:57,559
Speaker 2: Kind of hit me for like a second or two,

832
00:43:57,639 --> 00:43:59,599
and I got it like a quick glimpse of like

833
00:43:59,760 --> 00:44:04,400
some body on the other side, almost like taking notes

834
00:44:05,239 --> 00:44:06,159
of what's.

835
00:44:06,199 --> 00:44:06,880
Speaker 1: Kind of going on.

836
00:44:07,920 --> 00:44:11,159
Speaker 2: And I wouldn't say exactly like a double pane window,

837
00:44:11,239 --> 00:44:13,480
but that was the only way I could describe it.

838
00:44:13,840 --> 00:44:16,360
Speaker 1: The whole phenomenon is happening.

839
00:44:16,039 --> 00:44:18,800
Speaker 2: Within that room, even though as far as you know saying,

840
00:44:18,880 --> 00:44:22,800
my girlfriend wasn't disturbed the figure in front of me me,

841
00:44:23,159 --> 00:44:25,360
you know what I'm saying, Physically laying on the side

842
00:44:25,400 --> 00:44:28,440
of my bed being pulled out, my body in that

843
00:44:28,800 --> 00:44:32,199
outer body experience and then at the same time having

844
00:44:32,360 --> 00:44:35,880
like that quick type of like glimpse of like almost

845
00:44:35,960 --> 00:44:39,519
like a female figure in the back, like taking notes, like.

846
00:44:39,599 --> 00:44:40,960
Speaker 4: You're being observed.

847
00:44:41,519 --> 00:44:41,880
Speaker 1: Correct.

848
00:44:42,239 --> 00:44:45,079
Speaker 4: Yeah, So it's a strange element to that. Yeah, And

849
00:44:45,440 --> 00:44:49,639
since twenty nineteen, have you experienced anything else, anything else

850
00:44:49,679 --> 00:44:51,159
that's possibly connected to this.

851
00:44:51,760 --> 00:44:54,800
Speaker 2: So I had another experience that happened a little bit

852
00:44:54,880 --> 00:44:57,760
after those, like a couple of years afterwards. And I

853
00:44:57,840 --> 00:45:00,599
mean it kind of sucks in between because towards you know,

854
00:45:00,760 --> 00:45:02,960
saying I had lost somebody, you know, saying close to me.

855
00:45:03,599 --> 00:45:06,760
So in that experience, I remember I was coming home

856
00:45:07,039 --> 00:45:09,440
from work, maybe like a Thursday or something like that

857
00:45:09,679 --> 00:45:12,239
I can't really kind of recollect in terms of the day,

858
00:45:13,239 --> 00:45:15,920
and I went outside as I always did, out in

859
00:45:15,960 --> 00:45:17,920
the garage and just kind of relaxed a little bit.

860
00:45:19,079 --> 00:45:23,119
And I remember on this particularly like evening, it was

861
00:45:23,239 --> 00:45:26,320
maybe six seven six seven is sure, or so, like

862
00:45:26,440 --> 00:45:27,440
when the sun's.

863
00:45:28,000 --> 00:45:30,679
Speaker 1: Like the sun's already kind of gone down, but there's.

864
00:45:30,639 --> 00:45:33,199
Speaker 2: Still a little bit light, you know, since still a parent,

865
00:45:34,119 --> 00:45:36,960
and I remember seeing this kind of like bright object

866
00:45:37,320 --> 00:45:40,320
in the near distance, you know, a couple of neighborhoods.

867
00:45:40,360 --> 00:45:42,840
You know, I'm saying a wait, And I kept kind

868
00:45:42,880 --> 00:45:44,840
of thinking to myself and I'm like, I'm looking at

869
00:45:44,880 --> 00:45:46,800
the time, and I'm like, it's a little bit early,

870
00:45:46,880 --> 00:45:48,280
you know what I'm saying, for like a star to

871
00:45:48,400 --> 00:45:51,039
be out. I was thinking that in my brain because

872
00:45:51,079 --> 00:45:53,679
it was brighter than anything else I was out there,

873
00:45:54,960 --> 00:45:57,360
and for some reason, it almost felt it was like

874
00:45:57,559 --> 00:46:01,480
shimmering or different color, almost like you would see like

875
00:46:01,599 --> 00:46:04,880
the fastest of fastest of a diamond, you know, like

876
00:46:05,000 --> 00:46:07,119
you would see those different little colors.

877
00:46:07,159 --> 00:46:07,960
Speaker 1: From a distance.

878
00:46:08,519 --> 00:46:12,159
Speaker 2: And I remember going in the house and coming back

879
00:46:12,239 --> 00:46:15,559
outside and it was gone. And later in that evening,

880
00:46:15,800 --> 00:46:17,800
like I had got my telescope out. It was a

881
00:46:17,840 --> 00:46:19,840
full moon that night. I think it was maybe a

882
00:46:19,920 --> 00:46:22,360
super moon night, because you know, I remember it was.

883
00:46:22,440 --> 00:46:25,199
For some reason, I felt, you know, excited to kind

884
00:46:25,239 --> 00:46:27,360
of just take the telescope out and look at the moon.

885
00:46:27,760 --> 00:46:30,320
And I remember I was talking to my brother, you know,

886
00:46:30,480 --> 00:46:32,800
so I call him, you know, he's a cousin of mine,

887
00:46:32,920 --> 00:46:35,159
but but you and I always kind of grew up

888
00:46:35,199 --> 00:46:35,679
with him, you know.

889
00:46:35,840 --> 00:46:38,400
Speaker 1: It was always like a big brother to me. And

890
00:46:38,599 --> 00:46:41,360
I remember when I was talking to him on the phone.

891
00:46:41,960 --> 00:46:45,440
Speaker 2: Started a conversation and I was talking to him about

892
00:46:45,519 --> 00:46:47,119
some things, and then I was like, you know, hey,

893
00:46:47,480 --> 00:46:49,400
you know, did I ever tell you about what happened

894
00:46:49,400 --> 00:46:51,719
to me at four years old? And He's like no,

895
00:46:52,239 --> 00:46:54,440
and he's and then that's when I kind of went

896
00:46:54,519 --> 00:46:57,920
along and I was telling him the experience that happened

897
00:46:58,000 --> 00:47:01,039
to me at four years old. And so I'm going

898
00:47:01,119 --> 00:47:03,599
along as far as the story looking at the moon,

899
00:47:03,880 --> 00:47:07,440
just you know, relaxing and stuff like that, and I

900
00:47:07,480 --> 00:47:10,760
remember all the dogs in the neighborhood start like barking,

901
00:47:11,199 --> 00:47:13,920
just different dogs in the neighborhood barking, barking, barking, and

902
00:47:14,000 --> 00:47:15,800
I remember kind of thinking that I'm like, man like

903
00:47:15,840 --> 00:47:18,039
it was, you know, like, you know's what's you know,

904
00:47:18,239 --> 00:47:20,519
the dogs like just barking in the neighborhood like that.

905
00:47:21,119 --> 00:47:24,760
And then it goes from barking to like dead silence,

906
00:47:25,360 --> 00:47:27,880
still going along telling my brother was kind of going on,

907
00:47:28,079 --> 00:47:29,920
and then that next thing, I get this type of

908
00:47:30,000 --> 00:47:33,239
inkling just like just like a lot of experiences of

909
00:47:33,320 --> 00:47:35,800
four like hey, something's about to happen. But this time

910
00:47:36,320 --> 00:47:38,800
I got as far as you know, saying be aware

911
00:47:38,840 --> 00:47:42,719
of feel like your surroundings or or look behind you

912
00:47:42,960 --> 00:47:45,079
or some that type of sense like that that type

913
00:47:45,119 --> 00:47:48,840
of thought process, because when I was in the driveway

914
00:47:49,480 --> 00:47:52,320
having my telescope pointed, you know, at the moon, I

915
00:47:52,400 --> 00:47:55,239
think it was like more like east. And then what

916
00:47:55,400 --> 00:47:57,199
I get, as far as you know, sending from that

917
00:47:57,519 --> 00:48:01,760
happened came in from complete opposites like the western and

918
00:48:02,800 --> 00:48:04,760
I got that type of inkland and it was like,

919
00:48:04,840 --> 00:48:05,360
you know, hey.

920
00:48:05,320 --> 00:48:07,880
Speaker 1: Be surrounding and stuff like that.

921
00:48:08,199 --> 00:48:12,480
Speaker 2: And you know, mid conversation, I turned around and I

922
00:48:12,599 --> 00:48:16,280
seen this this husky dog and you can kind of

923
00:48:16,320 --> 00:48:18,760
see it, like you know, saying like didn't have like

924
00:48:18,880 --> 00:48:21,199
any type of sense of malicious.

925
00:48:20,840 --> 00:48:23,280
Speaker 1: Or just like just some type of dog out there

926
00:48:23,320 --> 00:48:23,920
on the streets.

927
00:48:24,159 --> 00:48:26,480
Speaker 2: But I remember looking at his eyes and it's like

928
00:48:26,599 --> 00:48:29,920
they had these like blue eyes, but they were beautiful,

929
00:48:30,159 --> 00:48:33,159
like I don't know how did it quite describe it.

930
00:48:33,519 --> 00:48:36,199
And it was like on the side of the on

931
00:48:36,320 --> 00:48:39,920
the sidewalk, and then it took a little couple of

932
00:48:39,960 --> 00:48:41,400
feet in and I was when I was kind of

933
00:48:41,440 --> 00:48:43,880
thinking and that kind of pausing between my brothers on

934
00:48:44,360 --> 00:48:46,159
you know, in my headphones, and he was like, hey,

935
00:48:46,199 --> 00:48:46,760
what's going on.

936
00:48:47,440 --> 00:48:49,280
Speaker 1: And I'm like, I don't, I don't know, but not

937
00:48:49,840 --> 00:48:52,440
you know, from there, I kind of freaked out a little.

938
00:48:52,239 --> 00:48:54,719
Speaker 2: Bit because, like, you know, sitting in an instant like,

939
00:48:54,800 --> 00:48:56,719
I kept on kind of thinking, I'm like, did I

940
00:48:56,920 --> 00:48:57,559
manifest this?

941
00:48:58,519 --> 00:48:58,679
Speaker 1: You know?

942
00:48:58,880 --> 00:49:01,559
Speaker 2: Here I am looking at the willon, having a conversation

943
00:49:01,679 --> 00:49:05,280
with my brother and telling him about my experience at four,

944
00:49:05,320 --> 00:49:08,159
and then you know, these dogs go off. Next thing,

945
00:49:08,320 --> 00:49:11,400
this husky looking dog just like shows up out of

946
00:49:11,519 --> 00:49:15,599
nowhere and like it creeps up, you know, sent up

947
00:49:15,679 --> 00:49:20,039
until on my grass. And then I remember I went

948
00:49:20,199 --> 00:49:23,039
back into I slowly went back in the house. And

949
00:49:23,119 --> 00:49:25,519
then while then I'm trying to trying to tell my brother,

950
00:49:25,760 --> 00:49:27,440
like on the other line, what's kind of going on.

951
00:49:27,760 --> 00:49:31,000
And then I'm just like I'm like, I'm thinking in

952
00:49:31,079 --> 00:49:33,199
my mind, I was like, you know, I've been through

953
00:49:33,480 --> 00:49:36,000
you know, employments, you know, sent overseas and stuff like that.

954
00:49:36,199 --> 00:49:39,199
Like I don't just get spooped up, you know, by

955
00:49:39,360 --> 00:49:42,519
just anything. But for some reason, I guess I was

956
00:49:42,639 --> 00:49:46,639
just trying to race my mind around the fact of

957
00:49:46,960 --> 00:49:50,559
what just happened, what's happening. For some reason or another,

958
00:49:50,639 --> 00:49:52,440
when I kept looking. When I was looking at the

959
00:49:52,519 --> 00:49:54,519
dog before I went in the house, like it had

960
00:49:54,639 --> 00:49:58,239
like this face of just curiosity for some reason another.

961
00:49:58,639 --> 00:50:01,920
And then I remember going in the house and I

962
00:50:02,000 --> 00:50:03,760
was trying to explain to my brother, and then I

963
00:50:03,840 --> 00:50:06,480
eventually got pissed off and mad at him because I

964
00:50:06,519 --> 00:50:11,360
felt like he wasn't really taking the situation seriously enough.

965
00:50:11,840 --> 00:50:14,800
And I remember like momentarily before I got off the

966
00:50:14,840 --> 00:50:17,039
phone with him also too, because when I was talking

967
00:50:17,119 --> 00:50:20,639
to him, I kept hearing like static and like noises

968
00:50:20,679 --> 00:50:23,239
in between and that, and I think that's another thing

969
00:50:23,440 --> 00:50:25,599
as far as that I was getting pissed off at

970
00:50:25,679 --> 00:50:28,199
him because I kept on telling him. I was like,

971
00:50:28,239 --> 00:50:30,920
why do I keep on hearing these like static noises

972
00:50:30,960 --> 00:50:33,519
in between? And He's like, what static noise? And I

973
00:50:33,599 --> 00:50:35,760
was like, no, you're you know, you're you're trying to like,

974
00:50:35,880 --> 00:50:38,480
you know, make fun of the situation. And I was like,

975
00:50:38,719 --> 00:50:41,519
I was like, I'll call you later. And went back

976
00:50:41,559 --> 00:50:45,079
outside because I remember my telescope was outside, so I

977
00:50:45,280 --> 00:50:48,079
didn't want somebody to you know, drive up and you know, say,

978
00:50:48,360 --> 00:50:50,840
you know, grab grab my thing for you know, whatever

979
00:50:51,000 --> 00:50:54,719
reason or so so I go outside and I remember

980
00:50:54,840 --> 00:50:57,320
I had my bottle, I had like a bottle of

981
00:50:57,480 --> 00:51:01,280
soda bottle, and at this time frame, you know, the

982
00:51:01,400 --> 00:51:04,599
husky went from the grass and into my front driveway,

983
00:51:05,440 --> 00:51:08,079
and I remember I threw a bottle at it, and

984
00:51:08,199 --> 00:51:11,840
it skipped in between like the dog's legs, and I

985
00:51:11,920 --> 00:51:14,400
remember like the dog just like looking at me, like

986
00:51:14,559 --> 00:51:16,400
dead in the eye, and just like why are you

987
00:51:16,519 --> 00:51:19,320
throwing a bottle at me? And that's that type of

988
00:51:19,440 --> 00:51:22,360
sense I got from it. And then from there, like

989
00:51:23,039 --> 00:51:24,880
I don't know, I just kind of I wouldn't say

990
00:51:25,000 --> 00:51:28,159
lost it, which it was just like okay, I need to,

991
00:51:30,800 --> 00:51:33,000
you know, get back in the house. And so I

992
00:51:33,079 --> 00:51:37,719
remember grabbing the telescope and then putting it halfway inside

993
00:51:37,760 --> 00:51:38,599
the house.

994
00:51:38,440 --> 00:51:40,719
Speaker 1: And that was gonna drop my garage door.

995
00:51:41,320 --> 00:51:44,440
Speaker 2: And then after when the when the bottle like skipped

996
00:51:44,480 --> 00:51:47,639
in between the dog's legs, I think eventually afterwards it

997
00:51:47,840 --> 00:51:50,719
just left because I mean, I don't know, it's just

998
00:51:51,039 --> 00:51:53,840
it was gone. And then I remember, even like looking

999
00:51:54,079 --> 00:51:57,519
even back on the camera at the timeframe, I remember

1000
00:51:57,599 --> 00:52:00,000
seeing it lift, you know, after I threw the bottom,

1001
00:52:00,199 --> 00:52:03,000
and it just kind of like trotted and went across

1002
00:52:03,199 --> 00:52:05,320
around the corner of the neighborhood and that was it.

1003
00:52:06,280 --> 00:52:09,239
But for some reason or another, I still had the

1004
00:52:09,519 --> 00:52:13,840
garage like halfway open, and I still had the telescope,

1005
00:52:13,840 --> 00:52:17,159
you know, like I said, like halfway out the garage inside,

1006
00:52:17,440 --> 00:52:20,280
and I was gonna bring it in. So I lifted

1007
00:52:20,400 --> 00:52:23,280
up this far as like the garage door, and something

1008
00:52:23,400 --> 00:52:24,639
told me to look up.

1009
00:52:25,519 --> 00:52:29,760
Speaker 1: And I look up and I see like this yellow, this.

1010
00:52:29,960 --> 00:52:32,519
Speaker 2: Ball of like light, and it seemed like it was

1011
00:52:32,760 --> 00:52:36,480
like close in terms of like proximity and distance. And

1012
00:52:36,679 --> 00:52:39,480
I kept like thinking to myself, you know, I'm like,

1013
00:52:39,599 --> 00:52:42,480
I try to think about schools kind I was like, okay,

1014
00:52:43,159 --> 00:52:45,119
could be a plane, could be you know what I'm saying,

1015
00:52:45,199 --> 00:52:47,239
maybe a drone or something like that. But when I

1016
00:52:47,360 --> 00:52:50,119
kept looking at it, it was just it was just solid,

1017
00:52:50,440 --> 00:52:54,000
just right there. And then I grabbed my phone and

1018
00:52:54,119 --> 00:52:56,599
I was trying to record it. And while I was

1019
00:52:56,639 --> 00:52:57,599
trying to record it, of.

1020
00:52:57,639 --> 00:53:00,320
Speaker 1: Course, like you can't for some reason, you can't get

1021
00:53:00,360 --> 00:53:01,039
a good focus.

1022
00:53:02,119 --> 00:53:04,159
Speaker 2: And while I'm like looking at it, and I remember

1023
00:53:04,440 --> 00:53:07,039
seeing it, and it moved and then moved, and it

1024
00:53:07,800 --> 00:53:10,360
moved quick, you know what I'm saying, Like from that

1025
00:53:10,519 --> 00:53:13,280
frame and into another frame from where it was at

1026
00:53:13,320 --> 00:53:16,039
and then just moved, you know, adjacent to it, like

1027
00:53:16,159 --> 00:53:17,159
what am I looking at?

1028
00:53:17,679 --> 00:53:19,400
Speaker 1: Until then when I was trying to get a good

1029
00:53:19,480 --> 00:53:21,079
focus of it, and that's when.

1030
00:53:21,000 --> 00:53:23,159
Speaker 2: I can see it's like starts to pick up speed,

1031
00:53:23,679 --> 00:53:26,000
and it just took off like you would see like

1032
00:53:26,159 --> 00:53:28,360
one of as far as like a supercar, you know,

1033
00:53:28,679 --> 00:53:31,840
just going from zero to sixty and just like taking off,

1034
00:53:32,920 --> 00:53:36,480
and it left out from from view from there, and

1035
00:53:36,599 --> 00:53:38,679
then from then, you know, I was just trying to

1036
00:53:38,880 --> 00:53:42,119
just like, okay, you know what what exactly just transpired

1037
00:53:42,360 --> 00:53:42,800
from there?

1038
00:53:43,199 --> 00:53:43,639
Speaker 3: It's odd.

1039
00:53:43,719 --> 00:53:46,199
Speaker 4: I mean obviously it wasn't. It wasn't just some neighbours

1040
00:53:46,280 --> 00:53:50,480
dog that had wanted in. You'd never seen this tusky before, No, And.

1041
00:53:50,679 --> 00:53:52,920
Speaker 2: I mean I'd been out during the evening a lot

1042
00:53:53,000 --> 00:53:54,760
of time frames and it, I mean I would see

1043
00:53:54,880 --> 00:53:58,159
like straight dogs kin across and you know, nothing that

1044
00:53:58,280 --> 00:53:59,880
that I've seen in that type of name.

1045
00:54:00,039 --> 00:54:03,599
Speaker 1: Sure, when you know when I heard that static in between.

1046
00:54:03,519 --> 00:54:05,280
Speaker 2: Like you know, when I was talking to my brother,

1047
00:54:05,840 --> 00:54:08,599
I don't know, for some reason another he passed away.

1048
00:54:08,639 --> 00:54:11,280
It was like like two years afterwards or two or

1049
00:54:11,280 --> 00:54:15,119
three years after that incident, and for some reason I felt,

1050
00:54:15,159 --> 00:54:17,519
you know, when I was hearing that like static noise,

1051
00:54:17,599 --> 00:54:20,480
like I don't know why, but I always try to

1052
00:54:20,559 --> 00:54:23,920
make some type of connection in between the two, almost

1053
00:54:24,039 --> 00:54:26,559
like you know, since somebody sending a message, you know, hey,

1054
00:54:26,679 --> 00:54:32,079
something's gonna happen, like yeah, yeah, a soft knowing.

1055
00:54:32,159 --> 00:54:34,880
Speaker 4: I guess, yeah, self knowing of course. Thank you for

1056
00:54:34,960 --> 00:54:38,519
your service, John, Okay, I appreciate. Was there any time

1057
00:54:38,639 --> 00:54:41,519
during your deployment did you ever did you think this

1058
00:54:41,639 --> 00:54:44,039
everready came in handy? Do you think it was maybe

1059
00:54:44,119 --> 00:54:45,360
preparing you for something?

1060
00:54:46,239 --> 00:54:49,159
Speaker 2: The military aspect, I believe in a lot of sense

1061
00:54:49,280 --> 00:54:53,000
because in terms of character wise, I guess characterized, you know,

1062
00:54:53,400 --> 00:54:56,079
I guess you know, because you know, in the military,

1063
00:54:56,119 --> 00:54:58,039
and a lot of sense. I mean even with the

1064
00:54:58,119 --> 00:55:00,280
Marine Corps, you know where I served that. You know,

1065
00:55:00,360 --> 00:55:03,480
there's a lot of discipline, there's a lot of you're

1066
00:55:03,599 --> 00:55:07,960
basically stepping out from I guess like a normal civilian

1067
00:55:08,119 --> 00:55:12,559
mode to something else. So you're learning a lot of

1068
00:55:12,639 --> 00:55:17,320
different tactics, controlling yourself emotionally. This is so forth how

1069
00:55:17,400 --> 00:55:20,440
to conduct yourself fight or flight, you know, since situation

1070
00:55:20,800 --> 00:55:22,800
to some degree, I felt like, you know, when I

1071
00:55:22,920 --> 00:55:24,719
try to piece to a lot of things together, I

1072
00:55:24,760 --> 00:55:26,880
always kind of felt like, you know, there was probably

1073
00:55:26,960 --> 00:55:31,119
a reason that I did have to serve in the military.

1074
00:55:31,639 --> 00:55:34,199
Speaker 1: I don't know why, but you know, you know it

1075
00:55:34,320 --> 00:55:35,079
all made sense.

1076
00:55:35,719 --> 00:55:39,599
Speaker 4: Sure, there's so many unusual connections. Obviously you've got some

1077
00:55:39,840 --> 00:55:42,199
thoughts about what it is, what it can be, what.

1078
00:55:42,280 --> 00:55:42,880
Speaker 1: Does it mean?

1079
00:55:43,800 --> 00:55:45,679
Speaker 2: It does in a lot of sense because you know,

1080
00:55:45,840 --> 00:55:48,039
even kind of jumped back when I was stating earlier.

1081
00:55:48,320 --> 00:55:51,039
Speaker 1: You know, when I went to go watch Disclosure Day, a.

1082
00:55:51,119 --> 00:55:54,159
Speaker 2: Couple of scenes within it, like I don't know, I

1083
00:55:54,320 --> 00:55:56,320
was more shocked in a sense because I was, like,

1084
00:55:56,760 --> 00:56:01,599
you know, where, who could have offered you some information

1085
00:56:02,559 --> 00:56:05,800
to be in a lot of details with an adjacent

1086
00:56:06,000 --> 00:56:10,079
to my experiences. I'm not saying it happened like exactly,

1087
00:56:10,360 --> 00:56:13,639
but you know, when I watched it and the particular

1088
00:56:13,719 --> 00:56:17,280
scene that I've seen, it definitely raised a couple of

1089
00:56:17,360 --> 00:56:18,519
hairs off of me.

1090
00:56:18,719 --> 00:56:19,599
Speaker 1: What I kind of felt.

1091
00:56:19,920 --> 00:56:23,159
Speaker 4: You know, I had this weird, really weird Fox experience

1092
00:56:23,320 --> 00:56:27,559
years ago, and I lived in a cold sack and

1093
00:56:27,800 --> 00:56:29,920
my house was at the very end of these row

1094
00:56:29,960 --> 00:56:31,559
of houses, so it was at the end of the

1095
00:56:31,599 --> 00:56:34,360
coldy sack and I can't I had to put the

1096
00:56:34,440 --> 00:56:38,119
rubbish out. It was gone midnight, and I walk out

1097
00:56:38,519 --> 00:56:41,400
go to the bin, and I stop and I turn

1098
00:56:41,519 --> 00:56:47,119
around and I see foxes right now. These foxes were

1099
00:56:47,199 --> 00:56:50,280
in like a semi circle around me. They were just

1100
00:56:50,599 --> 00:56:54,840
all sat down, just staring at me. I've seen a

1101
00:56:54,880 --> 00:56:57,039
lot of foxes over the years, of course, it was

1102
00:56:57,119 --> 00:56:59,800
just a weird experience. There was one fox felt like

1103
00:57:00,079 --> 00:57:02,199
he was old. I mean, he kind of looked old.

1104
00:57:02,239 --> 00:57:05,599
He looked like the most mature, probably the leader of

1105
00:57:05,679 --> 00:57:08,840
the foxes. It was just such a weird experience. They

1106
00:57:08,960 --> 00:57:12,000
just sat there and didn't move towards me. They all

1107
00:57:12,119 --> 00:57:15,400
just looked to me. And I traversed back inside the gate.

1108
00:57:15,599 --> 00:57:18,840
Then I ran upstairs and looked at the window and

1109
00:57:19,199 --> 00:57:22,039
they all just, one by one, they all just walked off.

1110
00:57:22,760 --> 00:57:24,039
It was really strange.

1111
00:57:24,840 --> 00:57:27,800
Speaker 2: Wow, Like when you said something about like the oldest

1112
00:57:27,840 --> 00:57:30,400
one that came out for some reason, that what popped

1113
00:57:30,400 --> 00:57:30,679
out to.

1114
00:57:30,760 --> 00:57:31,719
Speaker 1: Me was like elder.

1115
00:57:32,599 --> 00:57:34,559
Speaker 4: That's exactly what it was. That's what it felt like.

1116
00:57:35,280 --> 00:57:37,559
His colors were different than the rest. You know, some

1117
00:57:38,159 --> 00:57:41,599
looked young, young foxes. They tend to be very playful,

1118
00:57:41,639 --> 00:57:44,199
and but they just sat there staring at me. But

1119
00:57:44,400 --> 00:57:47,159
they were in a semi circle, not together. They were

1120
00:57:47,159 --> 00:57:49,719
spread out in a semi circle. It was it was

1121
00:57:49,840 --> 00:57:50,519
so strange.

1122
00:57:51,159 --> 00:57:53,320
Speaker 1: What age range do you think that was around?

1123
00:57:53,920 --> 00:57:56,800
Speaker 4: Probably remembering how long it was in that that particular house,

1124
00:57:56,840 --> 00:57:59,360
probably about twenty seventeen, I think it would have been

1125
00:57:59,400 --> 00:57:59,960
about that time.

1126
00:58:00,719 --> 00:58:01,639
Speaker 1: Yeah, that's very odd.

1127
00:58:02,199 --> 00:58:02,960
Speaker 4: It was very odd.

1128
00:58:03,079 --> 00:58:03,280
Speaker 1: Yeah.

1129
00:58:03,599 --> 00:58:07,199
Speaker 4: Foxes they generally when they see you, they scarper. They

1130
00:58:07,239 --> 00:58:08,960
as soon as they see a person at night, they

1131
00:58:09,079 --> 00:58:11,679
just they run and carry on looking for food. It

1132
00:58:11,760 --> 00:58:14,320
was like I walked into some kind of I don't know,

1133
00:58:15,000 --> 00:58:17,639
like a meeting or they were judging me. I have

1134
00:58:17,760 --> 00:58:19,400
no idea. It was just so strange.

1135
00:58:19,880 --> 00:58:22,239
Speaker 1: That's definitely odd. I don't know what it is.

1136
00:58:22,960 --> 00:58:25,519
Speaker 2: To some degree, I feel like when a lot of

1137
00:58:25,599 --> 00:58:29,199
the phenomenon, you know, sin presents itself in the animal form,

1138
00:58:29,440 --> 00:58:33,320
I felt for some reason it's almost like a comforability thing.

1139
00:58:33,559 --> 00:58:35,920
If I can't show as far as my truth form,

1140
00:58:36,280 --> 00:58:39,800
maybe I can have a form in something else and

1141
00:58:40,679 --> 00:58:43,280
with you you know, being somewhat okay with it.

1142
00:58:43,880 --> 00:58:48,760
Speaker 4: Yeah, So the animal side of experiences, it's something which

1143
00:58:48,840 --> 00:58:52,920
crops up a lot. We're not just talking about normal

1144
00:58:53,159 --> 00:58:57,119
casual scene of wildlife. There's usually some kind of strange

1145
00:58:57,480 --> 00:59:01,480
situation that you're in. I've heard it from from foxes before,

1146
00:59:01,559 --> 00:59:05,400
I've heard it from deer owls. Obviously, owls is something

1147
00:59:05,440 --> 00:59:08,280
which which crops up a lot and always has done.

1148
00:59:08,360 --> 00:59:10,760
It's unusual. It is, like I said, it's not just

1149
00:59:11,159 --> 00:59:14,760
the seating of normal wildlife. Do believe that it is masked?

1150
00:59:15,639 --> 00:59:18,239
Speaker 2: Well, when you said something about owl like, I mean,

1151
00:59:18,280 --> 00:59:19,719
I wouldn't call this an experience.

1152
00:59:19,760 --> 00:59:23,039
Speaker 1: I would just call it, I guess raadic event. After

1153
00:59:23,159 --> 00:59:24,119
I had left as.

1154
00:59:24,079 --> 00:59:27,119
Speaker 2: Far as the Houston region, came over to Florida at

1155
00:59:27,159 --> 00:59:29,800
the timeframe to, you know, just kind of like help

1156
00:59:29,840 --> 00:59:30,440
my mom out.

1157
00:59:30,480 --> 00:59:32,360
Speaker 1: You know, she was going through a couple of health

1158
00:59:32,400 --> 00:59:33,079
issues or so.

1159
00:59:34,000 --> 00:59:36,000
Speaker 2: So you know, I came over to kind of help

1160
00:59:36,039 --> 00:59:37,920
her out, you know, saying get her back up on

1161
00:59:38,000 --> 00:59:41,400
her feet. And I remember there was one night I

1162
00:59:41,639 --> 00:59:45,440
was outside, you know, on her porch. And while I

1163
00:59:45,559 --> 00:59:47,119
was out on the porch, you know, I was just

1164
00:59:47,559 --> 00:59:49,119
doing what, you know, I think I was listening to

1165
00:59:49,239 --> 00:59:52,840
music or something like that, and this owl came out

1166
00:59:52,880 --> 00:59:56,000
of nowhere and I remember like seeing his wing span

1167
00:59:56,079 --> 00:59:59,079
because it was it was pretty large, and I remember

1168
00:59:59,159 --> 01:00:02,039
it just kind of whooping, just a couple of feet

1169
01:00:02,239 --> 01:00:04,960
away from my distance, but I can actually see it

1170
01:00:05,400 --> 01:00:07,360
almost as if you would see something do like a

1171
01:00:07,440 --> 01:00:10,519
fake out and kind of like fly towards you. The

1172
01:00:10,599 --> 01:00:13,320
wings spent up and it just kind of swooped up

1173
01:00:13,360 --> 01:00:17,239
above from there. And when it did that, I wasn't

1174
01:00:17,280 --> 01:00:19,280
scared or was I you know, say, shocked by it.

1175
01:00:19,360 --> 01:00:21,800
It was just it just happened so quick, and I

1176
01:00:21,960 --> 01:00:24,719
was just like, oh, you know, surprising, and that type

1177
01:00:24,719 --> 01:00:25,360
of sense.

1178
01:00:25,719 --> 01:00:28,559
Speaker 1: I've always felt, you know, like knowing what I know

1179
01:00:28,800 --> 01:00:31,119
now has a lot.

1180
01:00:31,079 --> 01:00:35,320
Speaker 2: More visibility in a lot of other experiences because you know,

1181
01:00:35,519 --> 01:00:37,800
just like you said, I mean, I think there's definitely

1182
01:00:37,840 --> 01:00:40,519
as far as some type of pattern that can be

1183
01:00:40,639 --> 01:00:43,360
made out with a lot of experiences, you know.

1184
01:00:43,400 --> 01:00:46,199
Speaker 1: And that to that degree, yeah, but I mean, for

1185
01:00:46,519 --> 01:00:49,880
the most part, I think that the spark of that that.

1186
01:00:50,119 --> 01:00:53,559
Speaker 2: Knowing is something that I've kind of been getting like

1187
01:00:53,719 --> 01:00:59,079
relatively to as far as like experiences, uh presenting itself.

1188
01:01:00,159 --> 01:01:02,559
Speaker 1: Because when I stated earlier, when I seen as.

1189
01:01:02,480 --> 01:01:05,400
Speaker 2: Far as like a blue orb in red orb, it

1190
01:01:05,559 --> 01:01:08,760
was like almost like the same same type of instance,

1191
01:01:08,840 --> 01:01:11,320
you know, seeing when it happened when I seen the

1192
01:01:11,400 --> 01:01:12,800
blue orb, and it was.

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Speaker 1: Just like this beautiful type of blue.

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Speaker 2: I was like taking my dog guy, you know, I

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01:01:18,039 --> 01:01:19,880
just got him as a puppy, you know, saying not

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01:01:20,000 --> 01:01:22,039
too long ago, and I took him outside in the

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01:01:22,119 --> 01:01:25,320
backyard to you know, use the restroom, and upon bringing

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01:01:25,360 --> 01:01:28,440
them back in the house right split, you know, sending

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01:01:28,599 --> 01:01:32,079
between as far as that doorway, I had got like

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01:01:32,199 --> 01:01:34,639
some quick knowing as far as like something was just

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01:01:34,719 --> 01:01:38,239
about to happen. And so when he runs back in,

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01:01:38,360 --> 01:01:40,760
you know, he runs in the house. I remember I

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01:01:40,880 --> 01:01:43,239
was looking to my right and and that's when I seen.

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01:01:43,159 --> 01:01:46,679
Speaker 1: Like this blue ball. And it was a beautiful type

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01:01:46,719 --> 01:01:47,159
of blue.

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Speaker 2: I don't know what to kind of describe it, but

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it was just vibrant, and I had took out my

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01:01:53,719 --> 01:01:56,920
phone and I was trying to I was trying to

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01:01:56,960 --> 01:01:59,679
communicate with it by turning on the flash on my

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01:01:59,760 --> 01:02:02,760
phone on the back end and even back and forth.

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And I have no clue to this day why did

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01:02:05,000 --> 01:02:08,000
I do that, But I was able to record to

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01:02:08,119 --> 01:02:11,679
some degree of that presence until as far as you know,

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01:02:11,760 --> 01:02:13,519
when I was doing what I was doing, and I

1215
01:02:13,639 --> 01:02:15,639
was like, all right, yeah, I probably like a full

1216
01:02:15,719 --> 01:02:19,400
doing this, and then it just it turned in a circle.

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01:02:19,639 --> 01:02:21,960
And then it just took off from there and it

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01:02:22,239 --> 01:02:25,360
is like left out of the scene pretty quick, and

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01:02:26,039 --> 01:02:28,320
a little bit afterwards. I think it was like a

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couple of months after or maybe in a year after.

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01:02:31,400 --> 01:02:34,079
So I remember there was another experience where I was

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01:02:34,159 --> 01:02:37,880
just watching TV and I got the same thing as

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far as that type of inkling, I need to view something.

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Speaker 1: I was watching TV.

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01:02:43,639 --> 01:02:46,199
Speaker 2: Then I like paused it. Then I got up and

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I felt like, you know, I'm saying, being drawn.

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Speaker 1: Some way outside.

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Speaker 2: And then I go outside in the backyard and I

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see this like red big ball, you know what I'm saying.

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It was like solid and then like blink blink, blink,

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01:03:00,239 --> 01:03:04,880
and then like solid. It was relatively pretty close and

1232
01:03:05,159 --> 01:03:07,280
for some reason another I was kind of thinking in

1233
01:03:07,360 --> 01:03:07,840
my brain, I.

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01:03:07,880 --> 01:03:10,079
Speaker 1: Was like, Okay, that's probably somebody got a drone out,

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you know, just flying around.

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01:03:12,199 --> 01:03:14,639
Speaker 2: But when I looked at the size of it, and

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01:03:14,719 --> 01:03:17,639
I'm like, nah, that's a pretty decent size, A little

1238
01:03:17,639 --> 01:03:18,960
bit bigger than a basketball.

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01:03:19,440 --> 01:03:21,719
Speaker 1: I mean, that's a pretty decent size like drone.

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01:03:22,119 --> 01:03:24,679
Speaker 2: And it wasn't making as far as like any like

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01:03:24,840 --> 01:03:27,119
rotary type of like noises like you would hear.

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01:03:27,599 --> 01:03:29,920
Speaker 1: But I remember when I was looking at it, and

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01:03:30,039 --> 01:03:30,760
it was movement.

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01:03:30,840 --> 01:03:34,199
Speaker 2: It was moving like smooth, and but for some reason

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01:03:34,280 --> 01:03:37,480
or another, I kept hearing like clicking sounds like almost

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01:03:37,679 --> 01:03:39,519
the only thing as far as I could describe, is

1247
01:03:39,639 --> 01:03:42,920
those old Disney movies when they make those little clicking

1248
01:03:43,000 --> 01:03:45,960
clacking of those you know, mechanical parts.

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Speaker 1: And I've seen it.

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01:03:48,000 --> 01:03:50,079
Speaker 2: It was moving like, you know, cent across, you know,

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01:03:50,280 --> 01:03:53,119
in the neighborhood. There's two houses in the front, and

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01:03:53,239 --> 01:03:56,519
I remember kind of going behind the first house, and

1253
01:03:56,639 --> 01:03:59,239
then it was moving towards like the second house, and

1254
01:03:59,360 --> 01:04:01,559
and I'm just like looking at it, and I'm just

1255
01:04:01,679 --> 01:04:05,079
like I can I can see. And for some reason,

1256
01:04:05,119 --> 01:04:06,960
when I kept saying as far as like I can

1257
01:04:07,000 --> 01:04:09,280
see because it's same, for some reason it was just

1258
01:04:09,480 --> 01:04:12,440
like I knew it was aware of me, and you know,

1259
01:04:12,639 --> 01:04:16,199
vice versa, because like it was moving along and it

1260
01:04:16,320 --> 01:04:19,719
went towards like my neighbor's roof line, and I remember

1261
01:04:19,840 --> 01:04:22,679
seeing it like peak its head out and then like

1262
01:04:22,840 --> 01:04:23,440
peaked down.

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01:04:23,639 --> 01:04:26,920
Speaker 1: When I was thinking in my brain thought process like

1264
01:04:27,079 --> 01:04:29,039
I can see you, Like why are you? Why are

1265
01:04:29,039 --> 01:04:31,039
you hiding? Is what I was saying.

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01:04:32,079 --> 01:04:34,960
Speaker 2: And then it did that maybe like two three times,

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01:04:35,639 --> 01:04:38,159
and then it gradually just kind of moved out, you

1268
01:04:38,239 --> 01:04:40,320
know what I'm saying, moved out, and I guess, you know,

1269
01:04:40,440 --> 01:04:43,000
saying just you know, out of you from there, almost

1270
01:04:43,079 --> 01:04:45,400
like in curiosity is what I got.

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01:04:45,639 --> 01:04:48,880
Speaker 4: Interesting. Well, John definitely keeps updated, you know, if you

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01:04:48,960 --> 01:04:53,920
do have any profound experiences like this again you almost definitely, John.

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01:04:54,039 --> 01:04:56,280
I really appreciate you coming on and sharing that for

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01:04:56,360 --> 01:04:56,920
our listeners.

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01:04:57,239 --> 01:04:58,320
Speaker 1: I know it's been a pleasure.

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01:04:58,519 --> 01:04:59,440
Speaker 4: It's been a pleasure.

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01:04:59,480 --> 01:04:59,679
Speaker 1: John.

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01:04:59,719 --> 01:05:03,360
Speaker 4: Okay, keeping contact and we will speak soon and enjoy

1279
01:05:03,400 --> 01:05:05,559
the rest of your night, sir. All right, you too,

1280
01:05:05,800 --> 01:05:07,280
Thank you, take care bye for now.

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01:05:07,360 --> 01:05:07,559
Speaker 1: John.

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01:05:09,280 --> 01:05:11,559
Speaker 4: Before we end this week's episode, I'd just like to

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01:05:11,599 --> 01:05:14,199
take a moment to say a few words. Last Friday,

1284
01:05:14,239 --> 01:05:16,920
I received an email from a listener named Ronald from

1285
01:05:16,960 --> 01:05:19,199
the Netherlands, and he wanted to let me know that

1286
01:05:19,280 --> 01:05:22,719
the following Wednesday he would be undergoing euphnasia after a

1287
01:05:22,840 --> 01:05:25,639
long battle with chronic pain. Over the last few months,

1288
01:05:25,719 --> 01:05:29,280
Ronald and I have exchanged many emails and what started

1289
01:05:29,320 --> 01:05:31,679
as a message from a listener became a friendship. He

1290
01:05:31,760 --> 01:05:34,239
once told me that listening to the podcast helped distract

1291
01:05:34,320 --> 01:05:36,519
him from the pain at night, even if only just

1292
01:05:36,559 --> 01:05:39,320
for a little while, and hearing that was something I'd

1293
01:05:39,360 --> 01:05:42,559
never forget. Ronald was one of the kindest, most thoughtful

1294
01:05:42,599 --> 01:05:44,519
people I've had the privilege to get in to know.

1295
01:05:45,000 --> 01:05:47,519
Despite everything that he was living with, he never lost

1296
01:05:47,599 --> 01:05:50,440
his compassion and he reminded me to appreciate the little

1297
01:05:50,480 --> 01:05:54,800
things in life, the moments we so often take for granted. Ronald,

1298
01:05:54,920 --> 01:05:57,559
if there is another side, as you believe there was,

1299
01:05:58,320 --> 01:06:00,320
then I hope that you found a peace has been

1300
01:06:00,360 --> 01:06:03,639
denied to you for so many years. This episode is

1301
01:06:03,679 --> 01:06:06,840
dedicated to you, my friend. Rest easy and until we

1302
01:06:06,960 --> 01:06:10,320
meet again. Well that is all for this episode. Keep

1303
01:06:10,440 --> 01:06:14,400
updated and connected with the show on x Facebook and Instagram,

1304
01:06:14,719 --> 01:06:16,519
and if you have an encounter that you'd like to

1305
01:06:16,599 --> 01:06:20,000
share on the podcast, you can email me at UFO

1306
01:06:20,199 --> 01:06:23,920
Chronicles at gmail dot com, or you can reach out

1307
01:06:23,960 --> 01:06:27,400
to me via the contact page on my website UFO

1308
01:06:27,559 --> 01:06:31,320
Chronicles podcast dot com. A big thank you to John

1309
01:06:31,400 --> 01:06:34,599
for sharing tonight, and thank you all for listening. I

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01:06:34,760 --> 01:06:38,320
will be back next week. Till then, stay safe and

1311
01:06:38,519 --> 01:06:40,800
keep watching the Skies. Goodbye.