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and that means we talk to Andrew Dunn. He is
the publisher of the long Leaf Politics website and newsletterlongleafpol
dot com, and you can also read his op eds
that appear at the Charlotte Observer and the Raleigh News
and Observer. Andrew, Welcome to the show. How are you, sir?
Speaker 2: Oh? I'm doing well. Thanks for having me back.
Speaker 1: Absolutely well. I read your predictions and so, okay, first,
I don't make predictions on elections or trials. I am
not good at it, and so I just gave it
up altogether, and frankly I feel a lot happier for it.
But you do like to make the predictions you say
that in one of these pieces that you enjoy. I
think it was in your newsletter to your subscribers you
were like, I love talking about predictions, so give me yours.
So why do you have this, Some might say unhealthy
obsession with predictions?
Speaker 2: Let me ask, Well, you got to give the people
what they want, right.
Speaker 1: All right, Well, let's start with the first one. And
this is from the Charlotte Observer, and News and Observer
op ed that you wrote the two races you are
watching as a North Carolina Conservative, and you write that
twenty thousand voters will decide the balance of political power
across the state. So this is about the Phil Berger
Sam Page race. So give us the give us the
top line on that. What is you know, who are
these people and why is this so important for the
balance of political power across North Carolina?
Speaker 2: Yeah? Absolutely, I mean we could talk about this for
hours and hours, but I'll try to give the brief recap.
So Senate President pro Tem Phil Berger hails from Rockingham County.
He's been in the General Assembly for twenty some years now.
He's been the most powerful politician in the state for
most of that time, especially since Republicans took over the
General Assembly in the twenty ten election, and he's been
mostly unchallenged in that but this year, Rockingham County Sheriff
Sam Page has decided that he is going to challenge
Philberger for that seat, claiming that Senator Berger has lost
touch with the people of his district. Now. Sheriff Sam Page,
for a lot of your listeners who are in urban
areas might not understand just how important and powerful sheriffs are.
And in Rockingham County, Sampage has a very, very large following,
is very well liked. He's also been brought in and
helps the Trump administration over the past decade. And so
there's a lot of polls out there showing Sam Paige
with a considerable lead. Here now where he is not
in the lead is in the fundraising battle. Senator Berger
has already spent upwards of two million dollars on attack
ads against Sheriff Page, and with undoubtedly more to come.
But this race is going to be on the ballot
in March. I mean, it's a Republican primary, and so
I think that that race is going to be the
most important election in North Carolina in twenty twenty six.
And it's really going to set the tone for how
politics works in North Carolina this year.
Speaker 1: Was I'm trying to remember, was Sam Page involved in
any of the COVID era pushback against lockdowns or anything
like that. And now remember he was vocal in his
opposition to the to the casino push that Berger undertook.
Speaker 2: He may have been, I don't. I think that was
more of an Alemance County thing.
Speaker 1: Yeah, I know about the racetrack out in Alemance. So
I just wasn't sure if Page won any supporters during
the COVID lockdowns, if any of that kind of halo
effects still it's still he may still enjoy.
Speaker 2: He may have, but I think it mostly stems from
the casino opposition. I think Senator Berger really made a
pretty big miscalculation. This was maybe two years ago, three
years ago now, where he wanted to put into the
state budget the ability to open a casino, a couple
of casinos around the state, including in his backyard, and
there just wasn't a whole lot of transparency around that.
It was kind of pushed through and Sheriff Sam Page
really became the leader of the opposition to that, and
it did and the opposition was successful though the casinos
did not make it into the budget.
Speaker 1: Yeah all right, so Page goes in. You mentioned severely
under performing on fundraising, which is to be expected. You're
running against the Senate President pro tim He's got a
lot of power, He's got a lot of donations. I
think he even picked up Did he not get an
endorsement from Donald Trump recently too?
Speaker 2: He sure did. And there's a little bit of controversy
around that. Kind of the rumor is that the whole
mid decade redistricting that North Carolina just did was how
Berger was able to get that endorsement from President Trump.
Now that's not been confirmed. I mean, it wouldn't shock
me if it were true. But regardless, the President Trump
did go on his truth social and say he likes
both guys, but offered Sheriff Page a job quote unquote
job in the administration if he would end his challenge
to Senator Burger. But that does not appear to be happening.
Speaker 1: Yeah, all right, So what happens if Berger loses, I.
Speaker 2: Mean, if Senator Burger loses, I mean that it becomes
a huge power vacuum. I mean, he immediately becomes the
lame duck and honestly, I could see it going in
a couple of different directions, and I did not weigh
in a prediction on what exactly would happen. I mean,
I could see a world in which, you know, Senator
Berger resigns immediately and goes home, and then the House
becomes a sendant. You know, the power in the General
Assembly lies with the House, and I could see Governor
Josh Stein coming in there and filling that vacuum and
becoming more powerful. Or I could see Senator Berger staying
in office and kind of coming up the works, and
then a whole lot of nothing gets done over twenty
twenty six. So I don't know which of those pasts
will take, but it really depends on what happens with the.
Speaker 1: Election, all right, and if he wins. If Berger wins,
then what.
Speaker 2: If he wins, I think that he consolidates his power.
I mean, he this is kind of the you come
at the king, you better not miss type situation, and
I think that he's really going to have the upper
hand in negotiations with the House and be able to
put his stamp on North Carolina policy.
Speaker 1: All right, So let's shift gear now gears to the
US Senate race. You mentioned Michelle Morrow entering the Republican primary.
I think your assessment of this is correct. I think
she will split the grassroots support Don Brown, the other
candidate that has a lot of grassroots support, which then
may make it easier for Michael Wattley to make it
through the primary. You say, Cooper starts with every advantage.
He doesn't need to do much except avoid mistakes, and
that's what he's good at, avoiding mistakes. All right, So
what happens then if Cooper is the guy and Wattley
is the guy and the polls kind of stay where
they are, Yeah.
Speaker 2: I mean, and I think that's the most likely scenario.
I mean, I don't want to write off Michael Wattley completely.
I mean a lot can change between now in November.
Michael Whatley will be and is well funded. I think
he's a smart guy and he's an extremely hard worker,
So I don't want to write him off completely. But
absent anything major changing on the field of play, former
Governor Cooper is really in the driver's seat there. And
you know what we've seen, and I've seen personally, is
that the national powers that be are not hesitant to
pull the rug out from under you if if the
Poles stay where they are, I wouldn't be surprised to
see the National Senate Republican Caucus end up pulling money
from North Carolina and trying to put it in places
like Maine or Georgia where they think they might have
more success.
Speaker 1: Yeah, all right, So let's do some predictions. Now. Do
you think the redistricting that the Republicans did, do you
think it's going to net the Republicans an additional seat
in Congress.
Speaker 2: Well, it's supposed to. That was the whole point of it,
right right. One of my predictions is that that will
not come to pass. Now, I'm a little bit out
on a limb there. Sometimes I make predictions. I'll let
you in on a little secret. Sometimes when I make predictions,
I try to be provocative. Oh wow, yeah, that's a
big secret. Don't tell anybody. But I would not be
surprised if Republicans actually lose one of their seats or
stay right where they are at ten members of Congress.
I think Representative Don Davis has proven to be a
tough out in that first congressional district, and you know
it's redrawn to be a lot more advantageous for Republicans.
And I think, you know, Senator Bobby Haynig is a
strong candidate. There's a couple other people up there are
that are good, but depending on how bad things go
in the economy, depending on, you know, what the national
environment is, I could see Don Davis keeping that and
I could actually see Representative Chuck Edwards losing. There's a
pretty strong Democrat over there, Jamie Ager. He's a farmer type,
seems to have a lot of buzz around him. Now
he does have a primary too, but I could see
a world in which he pulls a big upset and
ends up knocking office an incumbent Republicans.
Speaker 1: Yeah, that Agger name out in western North Carolina is
it's a long traditional political family, so that would not
surprise me. All Right, do we get a budget in
the General Assembly.
Speaker 2: My prediction is no, that we don't. You know, everybody
is kind of saying everybody that I talked to up
in Raleigh is saying like, well, we got to get
past this Burger Page primary before anything could possibly move.
And I am kind of again going out on a
limb and saying, you know, either way the primary goes
if Burger wins or if Berger loses, there's a better
than even odds that the House and the Senate are
not able to come to any sort of agreement. And
we do not have a comprehensive budget in twenty twenty six.
Speaker 1: And you think that there are going to be a
couple of people that retire out of these statewide seats,
how confident are you in that? Or are you just
stirring the pot now on this one too?
Speaker 2: Andrew, No, this one, I actually feel really good about
this one. And I can't say that speculating on Council
of State elections is it really gets the people going.
So I tried to keep this one real. But you
know when I twenty twenty six, especially towards the end
of it, after November, is really going to be the
time where everyone starts reading the tea leaves and positioning
themselves for twenty twenty eight. And we've got a couple
of Council of State members who have been there a
long time are getting up in years, and so my
top prediction is that Secretary of State Elaine Marshall will
hang it up and not run for another term in
twenty twenty eight. She's already eighty years old, she'll be
what eighty two by the next election day. She's had
a good run. My prediction is that she'll not run
in twenty twenty eight, and honestly, I think what will
probably happen is she will step down, retire from her
seat early to give give Governor Stein the ability to
appoint a replacement for her that then would have the
advantage of incumbency in twenty.
Speaker 1: Eight, right, which then, I mean, if you're talking about
like agriculture Commissioner Steve Troxler or insurance commissioner might causey
that you name here. Also if they were to step down,
Stein would make those appointments. So I think that's a
pretty good incentive for them not to do so before
the next election. But I don't know. We shall see
exactly if.
Speaker 2: You want, And of course it doesn't always work. You know,
Jessica Holmes got appointed the state auditor when Beth Wood
stepped down and it didn't work out so well for.
Speaker 1: Her, exactly right. If you want more of his predictions
and to make your own, go over to long leafpol
dot com Longleaf Politics. Andrew Dunn, thanks for your time, sir,
I appreciate it. Thank you hi man, Take care.
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Bullock is expected to run for governor. I expect Luke
Farley is interested in running for a higher profile seat.
I've heard that about Dave Bullock. Not sure if he'll
do it this time well in twenty eight or if
he waits another four years because rather than challenge and
incumbent Josh Stein just I mean, but then again, Josh
Stein may be vulnerable in another two years, you know,
and maybe there are Republicans that want to take a
shot at him. So we'll see about that. But yeah,
there's a I talked with Andrew Dunn about Dave Bullock
a couple of a couple of weeks ago, maybe a
couple months, maybe two months ago or so, and we
discussed this very possibility about him looking for a run
or looking at a run for governor. But you know,
we'll say, we shall see. There was another story yesterday,
you know, we talked with ap Dylan from the North
State Journal and she had a piece at the NSJ
online dot com at their website about an underreported education
story for twenty twenty five, and it was that school
choice continued to thrive through the opportunity scholarship program, the
school vouchers through homeschooling, as well as support from President
Trump's administration. So public school enrollment levels dropped in twenty
twenty five by about twenty four thousand students, are down
about almost two percent, and that the enrollment levels dropped
in one hundred and five out of one hundred and
fifteen public school districts, so like nine out of ten
districts saw their enrollment numbers. And all of this is
according to data that is available at the North Carolina
Department of Public Instruction now. Homeschooling data for last school
year shows that there were almost one hundred and two
thousand homeschools and those one hundred two thousand homeschools serve
one hundred and sixty five thousand students, and that is
an increase, so an increase of about eight thousand students
that are now being homeschooled that were not the previous year.
Charter school enrollment also increased by about nine thousand students,
that's at one hundred and fifty three thousand. So there
are more kids in homeschools in North Carolina now than
there are in charter schools and private school students. That
number also increased. They are at one hundred thirty five
five thousand, seven thirty eight, one thirty five. So again,
homeschools have about thirty thousand more students in them than
private schools. So what did we hear when all of
the lefties and Democrats and media But I repeat myself,
when they were all complaining about the expansion of the
opportunity scholarships, about the school vouchers and stuff, and what
did they all say? Well, this is going to be
subsidizing private schools. This is all for private schools, and
what is the data show? It's more so for homeschools,
for the homeschools. And I'm totally fine with that. Oh
but Pete, what about socialization? Yes, the old socialization argument, which,
first off, that argument may have been more solid thirty
years ago, which I wasn't deeming a big believer in
that argument back then, but it's less so now. And
the reason why is numbers. There are so many more
homeschooled kids in North Carolina now that they have created
all sorts of extracurricular activities among their community. So like
the kids get all sorts of socialization, they can participate
in sports. Right, they can do these after school activities.
They have very rich social lives. It's not like this,
you know, this kid that's locked away and is living
a sheltered life and they don't know anything and all
of that. That's number one. Number two exactly what are
you socializing the kids about? You know, like what? But
I like, does the kid need to know how to
fend off and attack from a mob of classmates? Is
that the kind of socialization that we want our kids
to experience? Do we want to send them into these
facilities so they can, you know, learn self defense? Is
that the idea they can learn six seven, they can
learn all that stupidity. Okay, the homeschoolers probably do that
thing too, But like, that's the socialization argument. Considering the
state of public education nowadays, it does not persuade me
at all. What else here? Oh? Hey, do you remember
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Davidson area just north of Center City Street. Vendors, right,
they were setting up on sidewalks, people couldn't get around.
Fistfights were erupting local businesses that are like, hey, I'm
paying for a brick and mortar and this competitor comes
and sits in front of my shop and is selling
the same stuff against me, right, And I got to
meet all these codes, I gotta have permits and all
of this, and they just get to like throw out
a blanket and sell their dream catchers. So the city said,
we will implement a six month pilot program to allow
for permit holders to operate on the sidewalks. Well, folks,
it's been six months and the city is scrapping the program.
They are not extending the program. They say the sidewalks
are too small for street vending, which should have been
obvious to anybody who has walked the sidewalks of No
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the text line, Jennifer says, according to voter registrations, North
Carolina has flipped red. No, not really, but I'll get
to that how can Andrew Dunn be so sure that
Cooper is in the driver's seat. We absolutely cannot allow
that man to be our next senator. So the data
point that occurred, and this was on track for the
last I think, I don't know, year and a half.
We knew this day was coming where the registrations of
Democrats were declining at a faster rate and the registrations
of Republicans were increasing slowly. And so we have now
crossed the point that happened this month. I think it
was actually a couple months earlier than expected, where Republicans
would now be the number one party registration in the state,
whereas Democrats have enjoyed that role for like one hundred
and fifty years. So, yes, there are now more registered Republicans,
but the number one registration by far is unaffiliated, and
so unaffiliated not independence. People say this, Oh, I'm an independent, No,
you're not. Okay. If you're registered unaffiliated, that just means
you're unaffiliated. It doesn't mean you're independent. There's no registration
for that status. Okay, there's no named independent registration. Unaffiliated
it means that you're not affiliated with any party, which
means you can vote in any party primary. That's what
I am. I am unaffiliated. Because I live in Charlotte.
I can only vote in mainly predominantly Democrat primaries for
any of the local officials. I don't have any chance
to vote for Republicans unless I choose to. You want
to vote in a presidential race or a US Senate
race or something like that, Generally it's all it's all
local races, and I don't get an option for a
Republican because it's all Democrat controlled. So what that means, though,
is that there are like and I think it's almost
there are more unaffiliated that I think if you add
up all the Democrats and Republicans, I think unaffiliated maybe
more than them total. Maybe, but I might be wrong
on that, but either way, unaffiliateds are by far the
number one registration in the state. However, unaffiliateds don't vote
in a less partisan fashion than people who are Republicans
and Democrats. Unaffiliated in North Carolina generally speaking break fifty
to fifty, so you just as many just as much
as there are a lot of Republican voters who are
registered unaffiliated, but they will always vote Republican. There are
as many Democrats in the unaffiliated camp as well, and
they will always vote Democrat. And then you've got the
quote mushy middle that's still in there. And so you
look at Roy Cooper's and I think what Andrew done
basing his prediction on the US Senate race on is
that Roy Cooper has won every state wide race he
has ever run. And as much as Republicans may not
like him, unaffiliated to apparently do and they vote for him.
And that's how he won, you know, his reelection even
after all of the COVID hysteria and the lockdowns and
his ed his executive directives or declarations. So yeah, like
that's that's why he. Josh Stein just won. And I
know there are Republicans that believe that Stein stole the
election or something. There's no evidence of that. So and
North Carolina has split their tickets for decades between federal
Republicans and state Democrats. Now that effect has waned, but
that has been the that's been the historical norm. So
I suspect that's why. And also, you know Andrew made
the point about the the money that if the polling
doesn't close for Wattley, because the polling shows that he's
down and the Republican Party. They're going to you know,
the National Republican Senatorial Committee, and they're the ones that
you know pour you know, tens of millions of dollars
into these races to elect candidates and re elect their senators.
If they think that that Wattley is is toast, they're
not going to spend all the money here. They're going
to go and protect seats that are more winnable. And
when that happens, now he can't go on the air.
He doesn't have as much money. Cooper has a vast
network of outside donors. You know, he built up that
network during the HB two debate when he was attorney
general and he and then challenged Pat Corarry for governor,
and he made all these business contacts, he got on
all the short lists, he's got all the donors from
all outside of North Carolina. He's got this vast network
to to tap into, and he's raised a lot of money.
He's got a lot of name id and he's got
a track record of winning what two governors races, four
races for attorney general, so but almost you know, thirty
years in statewide elected office, winning every four years. That's
a difficult track record to beat and you may not
like him, but a lot of other people in North
Carolina are okay with him being their elected leader. So
and again like that may be something that you may
not understand, but that doesn't mean it's not true. Right, Like,
that's you just look at the historical data. I'm not
predicting Cooper wins. I'm just telling you, like I'm thinking,
that's why Andrew Dunn is looking at these h these
indicates and if Wattley's polling doesn't improve, then and well,
if Wattley wins and his polling doesn't improve, then the
NRSC pulls their funding. And that basically is the nailing,
one of the nails in the coffin of the Wattley campaign. Right,
that's the thinking that that I suspect Andrew is employed.
Let me see, this is from Jim in rock Hill.
He says, totally agree on the homeschool stuff. We homeschooled
all six of our kids. Now they're all adults, contributing
members of society. So many socializations slash community opportunities for homeschoolers.
For example, Piedmont Music Academy, Trailblazers cross country here in
rock Hill in the Greater York County area. I had
a message from David in Matthews. Anyone with an eye
for detail can pick up a home or can pick
a homeschooler out of a group of kids a million
out of a million times. Uh, it's still probably better
than the mess that is CMS. I don't know how
you would pick a homeschooler out of a group of
kids just by sight, you would know them just by sight?
How do you like? Yeah, you're gonna have to give
me some more information, David, as to how you're making this, uh,
making this prediction? And then the hell in talking about
the vendors up in No Doll on the sidewalks the
vendors hog up the sidewalk and are nearly in the
road at the same time. Yeah, so, yeah, it's a
This is one of those things that like, I don't know,
I don't know why people feel the need to try
to rewrite the rules for sidewalk vending in No Dot
Like not at a dead show parking lot scene. Okay,
and trust me, I've been to dead shows. I enjoy
the parking lot scene. However, the sidewalk, the three foot
sidewalk in No Daw is not a parking lot. Okay,
if you want to do some markets, you want to
do some you know kind of festival fairs and stuff
like that, well, you know, find a parking lot and
make it a place where vendors can come up and
set up their tables, like a flea market or something.
But this idea of like, oh, we're just going to
do all of this like street vending in front of
these businesses, and you're going to block the entrance to
their business. You're going to make it difficult for people
to get past you. Like. It's no, it was never
a workable solution.
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socialists totally not a comy zoron Mamdani the comedy, they're like,
actually he's not a communist. Yeah, he just appoints communists
to his administration. So we have another. Now, this is
Cia Weaver. I think it's her name, or c Weaver,
or or maybe it's Chaya Cea. How do you pronounce
that cea Kia Weaver? I don't know. Well, here, I'll
play your audio clip from some sort of a live
stream or something she was doing at some point a
year or two ago. And uh, here's what she was talking.
Speaker 3: About I think the reality is is that for centuries
we've really treated property as an individualized good and not
a collective good. And we are going to and transitioning
too treating it as a collective good and towards a
model of shared equity will require that we think about
it differently, and it will mean that families, especially white families,
but some POC families who are homeowners as well, are
going to have a different relationship to property than the
one that we currently have.
Speaker 2: Right.
Speaker 1: In other words, you won't own it. That's the different
relationship you will have with your property. It's not your property.
If only is there a word to describe a political
philosophy that abolishes the idea of private property rights. See
here's the problem with communism, Marxism, socialism, the problem with it.
It's all encapsulated in these comments that she makes. I'm
gonna rerack it's only thirty seconds. I'm gonna rerack it here.
It's right at the beginning, right, See, if you can
detect the fundamental flaw in the philosophy, I.
Speaker 3: Think the reality is is that for centuries we've released
created property as an individualized good and not a collective good.
And we are going to and transitioning to treating it
as a collective good and towards a model of shared equity.
Speaker 1: For centuries, she says, And I would submit it's a
little bit longer than centuries. The concept of private ownership
of property, whatever that property might be. The concept, she says,
that we have thought about it as an individual good
rather than a collective good. Right do you know why?
Because that's human nature, And so she says, in reality,
we're going to have to transition our thinking. And therein
lies the fundamental problem with all of this Marxist claptrap.
It is denying the very human nature that we all have,
which is, look, you give a baby in a crib.
If you give a baby one of those little mobile
spinner things up above them, right, and you put like
two items on it, and the baby's happy, you take
it away, that baby cries. It is instinctive we know
when somebody has taken something from us. They've even run
these experiments with babies. They put the mobile up there
and they'll go from like five spinny objects down to
two or three, and the baby cries, like the baby
knows that it had five, even though it doesn't know
the concept of five, but it knows it had this
many things and now it's smaller. Somebody has taken something
from me. But the Marxist always believes that we will
be able to somehow transcend human nature. It is a
denialism in human nature. And because what happens when people
don't want to give up their stuff. What happens when
somebody says, no, I bought this home, I own this
home just because you want to collectivize it for the community, equity,
whatever goal you've got, I'm not giving it up. And
that's when you have force. That's why socialism always relies
on the force of the state to come in and
take from people that don't want to give up their
property because they won't get with the utopia project. Mamdannie
just appointed this woman as his tenant advocate. She has
also called home ownership white supremacy. She's been floating around
the whole tenants rights circles for quite a while. Her
appointment makes clear that Mam Donnie is quite serious about
using the power of his office to use regulations to
gradually seize private property through enforcement mechanisms that are at
the mayor's disposal. During his campaign, Mamdanni proposed that the
city identify landlords who do not respond to tenant complaints
fast enough, and if they don't respond fast enough, then
they will seize their properties. Councilwoman of New York City,
Vicki Palladino, said, what he means is that pretty much
every tenant complaint will move rapidly into property seizure. Look
for DSA activists to begin agitating tenants to file frivolous
complaints to instigate the seizures. It's tyranny, she says. If
you are a small landlord that rents an apartment in
your own home, I strongly suggest you notify your tenants
that you will no longer be renting because Mamdani will
take your home. And, by the way, renters, expect your
rents to skyrocket in order to mitigate the risks that
the landlords will have to take on if they choose
to remain in the market. Mamdani's only appointed tenant advocate.
This woman see a Weaver called to seize private property
that's a direct quote, blasted home ownership as a weapon
of white supremacy in a series of pro communist social
media posts. She self identifies as a communist. Okay, Mamdani
wants to impose a rent freeze. You freeze the rent,
You then encourage the tenant complaints about things not getting fixed.
But the landlords can't raise the rents because you've got
to freeze, so you can't raise the rents, which means
now you have to take a loss in order to
fix the things and to do it fast enough. And
if you don't do it fast enough, the city is
going to send in contractors to do the work and
then they're gonna bill the landlord, and if the landlord
can't pay it, then the city will seize the property.
This is how it always turns out people, every single time.
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