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<v Speaker 1>Make us your number one precent for instance, access to

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<v Speaker 2>Couldn't live without it.

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<v Speaker 1>Fifty five KRS the talk station. It's seven six at

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<v Speaker 1>five PRCG Talk station. Very happy Monday, Election Day eve.

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<v Speaker 1>Everybody has at least one issue to vote on, although

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<v Speaker 1>you may have a school, lovey to vote on or

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<v Speaker 1>some other local issue. Here to join the fifty five

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<v Speaker 1>KRC Morning Show, and we thank you very much for

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<v Speaker 1>doing so. State Representative Jennifer Gross representing District forty five

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<v Speaker 1>and she's with me. I'm a hard strong no on

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<v Speaker 1>issue too, Jennifer, welcome to the program.

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<v Speaker 3>Thank you. Brian, good morning.

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<v Speaker 2>Now. First off, this is a constitutional amendment my correct.

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<v Speaker 3>Correct, based on the ballot by your legislature.

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah, I don't know what what to deal with that.

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<v Speaker 2>I have read.

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<v Speaker 1>This enjoys bipartisan support and business organizations many organizations say

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<v Speaker 1>the behind this Before we dive into the why we

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<v Speaker 1>should vote no on it? What is it supposed to accomplish?

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<v Speaker 1>Issue too?

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<v Speaker 3>Well, let's go back, if you don't mind, Brian, a

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<v Speaker 3>little bit to the history. In nineteen eighty seven, this

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<v Speaker 3>was started by Democrat Governor Celeste and it was supposedly

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<v Speaker 3>started because our roads were in such disrepair, and back

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<v Speaker 3>then our gas tax was fourteen cents now it's thirty

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<v Speaker 3>eight point five since per gallon. It was to fund

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<v Speaker 3>local projects because our highways were in great disrepair. The

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<v Speaker 3>highway system had been utilized more often for manufacturing, and

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<v Speaker 3>we had lots and lots of projects, largely local, a

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<v Speaker 3>lot of those too. But the transportation budget is also

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<v Speaker 3>another revenue stream that we use. So we already had

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<v Speaker 3>the transportation budget and they said, well, we need a

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<v Speaker 3>bump of money, so Celeste put it on the ballot

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<v Speaker 3>for five hundred million dollars. Now it's they're asking for

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<v Speaker 3>two point five billion. And the projects were supposed to

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<v Speaker 3>be basically, you know, we had a backlog of local

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<v Speaker 3>infrastructure needs back then in nineteen eighty seven, and yet

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<v Speaker 3>every ten years we keep renewing this. So just a

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<v Speaker 3>little bit of the history.

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<v Speaker 1>So this takes away the tenure renewal and ensurance. It

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<v Speaker 1>in the constitution, so it's always funded, Yes.

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<v Speaker 2>It's always been.

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<v Speaker 3>So it was placed in the constitution every ten years, yes, sir, all.

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<v Speaker 1>Right, So question first thought out of the gate here, Jennifer,

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<v Speaker 1>why do we need this separate pool of money you

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<v Speaker 1>mentioned specifically something I was going to ask about. The

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<v Speaker 1>gas tax is supposed to fund road improvements and maintain infrastructure.

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<v Speaker 1>I don't know how much you take in in Ohio

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<v Speaker 1>annually in the gas tax, but is it is that

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<v Speaker 1>an insufficient revenue source? And if so, doesn't that require

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<v Speaker 1>elected officials to allocate additional funds for the roads, maybe

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<v Speaker 1>to the exclusion of some other fun new stuff and

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<v Speaker 1>things the state might take on.

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<v Speaker 3>Very good thinking, Brian, That's exactly my thought process. The

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<v Speaker 3>transportation budget was just passed, and it passed with at

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<v Speaker 3>eleven point five billion dollars, and that is supposed to

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<v Speaker 3>cover you guessed it, roads and bridges. Federal vehicle registration

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<v Speaker 3>helps safe for that as well, you know, the highways,

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<v Speaker 3>local projects. The transportation budget covers all the things, or

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<v Speaker 3>the majority of the things they're asking for in this

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<v Speaker 3>bond issue, which is fascinating. So if the people choose

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<v Speaker 3>not to pass this, it would send it back to us.

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<v Speaker 3>The legislature require us to use your money more fiscally sound.

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<v Speaker 1>So by allowing the bonds to be issued, that just

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<v Speaker 1>means the money's being borrowed and then we've got to

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<v Speaker 1>pay it back.

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<v Speaker 2>With interest.

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<v Speaker 3>Correct, correct, And you're absolutely right. I'm sorry I didn't

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<v Speaker 3>answer your question quite fully before about another funding source.

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<v Speaker 3>We have five budgets already, you know, we have BTWC

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<v Speaker 3>and the General Revenue Fund, and the Transportation budget, and

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<v Speaker 3>the capital budget and another budget called the IC budget.

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<v Speaker 2>This is a sixth.

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<v Speaker 3>Revenue stream, and we're asking the people for more money.

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<v Speaker 3>We're already spending eleven point five on the transportation budget.

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<v Speaker 3>We're asking for another funding stream. And you know, I

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<v Speaker 3>just but it's debt.

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<v Speaker 2>I mean, the funding stream is borrowing that money.

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<v Speaker 1>So you've got to do You got to do financial

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<v Speaker 1>obligation every and every counter of year in the budget,

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<v Speaker 1>which is servicing the debt that you borrowed to fund

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<v Speaker 1>this particular fund.

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<v Speaker 2>That's right, that's.

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<v Speaker 3>Right, and it's that bonds have debt and an interest

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<v Speaker 3>to be paid back.

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<v Speaker 1>All right now, Now, going to this is just layers

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<v Speaker 1>as stupid from my perspective, Jennifer, I apologize to spoil it. No, no, no,

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<v Speaker 1>I just it. Really it bothers me. You would think

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<v Speaker 1>that the Columbus, we've got a bunch of Republicans dominating

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<v Speaker 1>the House and the Senate and the governor, you would

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<v Speaker 1>think there would be more fiscal responsibility and more willingness

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<v Speaker 1>to manage dollars rather than do something like this. So

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<v Speaker 1>I'm frustrated by this happening in Ohio, but I'm used

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<v Speaker 1>to it by now with Columbus the way it operates now. Allegedly,

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<v Speaker 1>the grants that are dealt with in this cover roads, bridges,

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<v Speaker 1>water supply, wastewater treatments, stormwater collection, and solid waste disposal. Now,

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<v Speaker 1>since I live in the Greater Cincinnati area, if city

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<v Speaker 1>council had control over any one of these given projects

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<v Speaker 1>with the money that are coming from these bonds being issued,

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<v Speaker 1>it will be some outrageously outlandish green focused projects. So

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<v Speaker 1>we're gonna deal with wastewater, but we're not going to

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<v Speaker 1>do it in the most energy, for most efficient way,

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<v Speaker 1>mining the taxpayer dollars. We're going to do something really

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<v Speaker 1>crazy and far more expensive in the name of I

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<v Speaker 1>don't know, climate change or something. And on by the way,

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<v Speaker 1>it's going to be mandated. All all this is being

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<v Speaker 1>done by union scale wage and all the extra do

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<v Speaker 1>deads and so I'm just looking at it.

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<v Speaker 3>Yes, Brian, did you see the vote yes on issue too?

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<v Speaker 3>Signs who does that. Does your legislature pay money to

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<v Speaker 3>tell you to vote yet? No, So if someone's spending

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<v Speaker 3>money to get you to vote yes on issue too,

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<v Speaker 3>but your legislature put it on the ballot, which I

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<v Speaker 3>voted against putting it on the ballot. By the way,

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<v Speaker 3>let's be clear, there were four of us who voted

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<v Speaker 3>against putting it on the ballot. But if someone's paying

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<v Speaker 3>money for signs to get you to vote yes on

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<v Speaker 3>issue too, why do you think they'd be doing that.

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<v Speaker 1>They're going to be the recipients of the project money

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<v Speaker 1>because they're going to get the contract.

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<v Speaker 3>I believe you hit that on the nose. And look,

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<v Speaker 3>I have no you know, personal problem with and I

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<v Speaker 3>don't even know actually the people directly behind the signs.

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<v Speaker 3>But here's what I do know. If you're going to

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<v Speaker 3>spend money to try to get us to vote yet,

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<v Speaker 3>there's some benefit to you to spend that money. And

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<v Speaker 3>so you're absolutely right the people that are going to

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<v Speaker 3>get the contracts and all of that. The other thing

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<v Speaker 3>that's a concern to me is this, there's no clear

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<v Speaker 3>direction as to who would get those projects. Is the

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<v Speaker 3>biggest project, because I had someone not in my district

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<v Speaker 3>but I had someone call me and say, you know,

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<v Speaker 3>it's been two decades and we have this bridge that

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<v Speaker 3>we'd have we've had to lower load on because we

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<v Speaker 3>can't get it fixed. So even though we keep approving

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<v Speaker 3>all this money, we're not getting the project. And they're

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<v Speaker 3>in a small rural county in Ohio. So how are

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<v Speaker 3>the projects being spent, how are they divvied out? How

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<v Speaker 3>do we determine? And it is my understanding that once again,

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<v Speaker 3>when we spend this money, we also then draw down

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<v Speaker 3>additional funds from the federal government. I don't know if

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<v Speaker 3>everybody understands what that means. What does draw down from

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<v Speaker 3>the federal government mean? It means that if you're telling

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<v Speaker 3>me that you think the federal government has blowed and

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<v Speaker 3>bloated and overgrown and Ohio has to stop spending money

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<v Speaker 3>locally just to get more money from the federal government. So,

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<v Speaker 3>for instance, for every dollar we spend, four dollars comes

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<v Speaker 3>back from the federal government. In some of these projects,

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<v Speaker 3>we have federal highway funds and things like that that

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<v Speaker 3>we then when we spend the money, the federal government

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<v Speaker 3>matches us a certain amount. So the federal government has

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<v Speaker 3>to spend more money at the federal level when we

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<v Speaker 3>spend money, and that's an agreement that we've made which

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<v Speaker 3>makes Ohio dependent on federal funds.

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<v Speaker 1>And going back to my climate change focused projects, if

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<v Speaker 1>money comes from the Feds, it's going to come with

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<v Speaker 1>strings attached.

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<v Speaker 2>That always does.

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<v Speaker 3>Exactly, exactly, just like our money did to the state,

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<v Speaker 3>requiring us to keep anybody who lost their jobs on

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<v Speaker 3>Medicaid for three years even if they got their job back.

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<v Speaker 3>Absolutely absolutely well.

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<v Speaker 1>Obviously made some wonderful reasons and explained why we should

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<v Speaker 1>vote know on this now. In final conclusion, I kind

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<v Speaker 1>of alluded to it. Who decides ultimately which projects get funded.

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<v Speaker 1>There's probably a million projects and this money would in

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<v Speaker 1>no way, shape or form cover every project that every

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<v Speaker 1>municipality wants done. So who determines where the money goes?

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<v Speaker 3>I would be mistaken to tell you for sure, But

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<v Speaker 3>obviously with this amount of money there needs to be

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<v Speaker 3>a type of controlling board that would determine it. The

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<v Speaker 3>challenge is what are those What are those determinants?

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<v Speaker 2>How do we know.

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<v Speaker 3>Who gets prioritized? So is the larger city like Cincinnati,

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<v Speaker 3>when they have a project, do they get do they

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<v Speaker 3>get higher priority because somebody in Giaga, Giaga County needs

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<v Speaker 3>something and they can't you know, they're so small that

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<v Speaker 3>they don't have the same voice. Perhaps we need to

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<v Speaker 3>require an audit, you know, from the auditor on this,

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<v Speaker 3>just to be clear.

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<v Speaker 2>I think that's a great idea of money going well.

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<v Speaker 1>And you know, wherever there's more money, higher concentration of people,

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<v Speaker 1>you know, you know, Franklin County or Cuyahoga County or

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<v Speaker 1>here in Hamilton County, that's where the campaign contributions come from,

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<v Speaker 1>which is probably why they'd be more likely to get

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<v Speaker 1>the project done than someone out in Yaga County just

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<v Speaker 1>throwing it out there.

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<v Speaker 3>Unfortunately. Unfortunately, Yes, that can be the case. An influential

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<v Speaker 3>for sure.

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<v Speaker 1>So I've been boiling down as a it's a slush fund,

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<v Speaker 1>which is a bad thing. So that's what I've been

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<v Speaker 1>calling it. So it sounds to me like I can

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<v Speaker 1>continue to label at a slush fund.

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<v Speaker 3>I think so, because Brian, really, if it's not approved,

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<v Speaker 3>then we need to come up with the money. You know,

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<v Speaker 3>I was told then we're going to have to increase taxes.

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<v Speaker 3>Why is that the case? Our revenue is I voted

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<v Speaker 3>against the general operating budget that we just voted on

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<v Speaker 3>at the six hundred million to the stadium. I'm sure

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<v Speaker 3>you don't want to get into that today, but I

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<v Speaker 3>get tired of hearing. I'll give you a You know,

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<v Speaker 3>if you give me a cheeseburger today, I'll give you

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<v Speaker 3>a dollar tomorrow. I'm tired of of us. Our revenue

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<v Speaker 3>stream is very, very strong, and yet we keep spending

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<v Speaker 3>the people's money with no property tax relief. We sow

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<v Speaker 3>have an income tax and so to me, yes, if

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<v Speaker 3>this is not passed, it requires your legislature to make

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<v Speaker 3>some hard choices on how we're spending our dollars.

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<v Speaker 2>Yes, and that's their job.

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<v Speaker 1>Jack Jennifer Gross, proudly representing and wonderfully representing District forty five.

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<v Speaker 1>Thank you so much for coming on the program and

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<v Speaker 1>explaining this to my listeners and me. I will look

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<v Speaker 1>forward to having you on the show again real soon.

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<v Speaker 3>Thank you, Brian, have a great day you too.

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<v Speaker 1>Seven seventeen Christopher smithment with the Smith Event up next. First,

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<v Speaker 1>you can save up to fifteen hundred and fifty dollars.

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<v Speaker 1>I know nobody wants to have to replace their HVAC system,

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<v Speaker 1>but you know what with fifteen hundred and fifty dollars savings.

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<v Speaker 1>Turn to my friends at Zimmer Heating and Cooling, who've

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<v Speaker 1>than seventy five years. Third generation Zimmer family, still representing

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<v Speaker 1>the company that invented air conditioning, and that's Carrier. It

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<v Speaker 1>up to fifteen hundred and fifty genuine dollars. And they

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<v Speaker 1>can also service your edition, your your your your currently

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<v Speaker 1>You can still confidently call Zimmer. They do a wide

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<v Speaker 1>variety of HVAC work, so if you want to learn

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<v Speaker 1>more about what they do, you are working with the best.

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<v Speaker 1>go Zimmer dot com. Please tell them, Brian said, how

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<v Speaker 1>two one ninety eight ninety three. That's five one three,

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<v Speaker 2>Guys, are you tired of being