Speaker 1: This is a podcast from Minute Media.
Speaker 2: I'm Vengeance. Who's me?
Speaker 3: All right?
Speaker 2: Welcome back here we are, Jason. I have a very
special present for you, all right, what is it? Yesterday
I bought us tickets to see The Batman.
Speaker 3: The Batman on March first. We're gonna be watching The Batman.
Speaker 2: Yeah, but if you were waiting till Friday to watch it,
definitely listen to this podcast. There will be spoilers at
the end, but we will give you fair one.
Speaker 3: We've got some cool research for you to prep you
for this movie. Yes, okay, what do you got for Usty?
Speaker 2: All right? So our story begins with the end of
one of the worst movies I've ever seen, which is well,
I can't even believe it. That does Rise of Skywalker
have to do with the No, that's your hated movie.
The one that I despise is the Joss Whedon Justice League.
I hated it from minute one. Tried my best throughout
the movie to love it, and I didn't. But still,
despite all that, I waited around for the end credits scene.
And the end credits scene has a character that you
may or may not know. Driving up to this yacht
you said you had something I'd want. You better not
be wasting my time death stroke.
Speaker 3: Yeah, okay, So.
Speaker 2: Ben Affleck had in Batman in the previous two movies.
He's been in Batman Versus Superman or Superman versus Batman,
whatever that one was. And the plan was that Ben
Affleck was going to write a script for the next
Batman movie.
Speaker 3: Ben Affleck and Jeff John's comic book Superstar Jeff Johns,
We're gonna write the next movie. I actually told you
that I had forgotten that Ben Affleck had even played Batman.
Speaker 2: Well, it was forgettable. It was very forgettable. I love
Ben Affleck and a lot of stuff, but his Batman
was not one that was super memorable. Right, Why did
you say.
Speaker 3: The name or the I didn't forget that much, I guess.
Speaker 2: Yeah. I actually kind of enjoyed the Batman Versus Superman movie.
I didn't like that to kill people in it, but
it wasn't I didn't hate it as much as a
whole lot of other folks did.
Speaker 3: I felt like that one was rushed. They tried to
do too much in the course of one movie.
Speaker 2: So what we've learned and going through these Batman and times,
is that the Batman goes up and down. But as
we mentioned in our previous episode, Michael Uslan wanted people
to know what the real Batman was like. He put
together a film company called bat Film's Ink, and ultimately
they are the ones that produced Batman eighty nine, which
took Batman back to the dark one.
Speaker 3: It was quick. We both love Batman eighty nine, yes,
and then they started to slide.
Speaker 2: A little bit. Batman returns not nearly as good, not
half as good, and then Tim Burton stepped away and
we got Joel Schumacher and Nipples.
Speaker 3: Yeah, Batman Forever had its moments, and then we got
Batman and Robin, which was horrendous.
Speaker 2: So what we've learned is then when we get to
that camp again, what's destined to happen? Will we get
Christopher Nolan involved and it goes back to the dark again,
and we've got reality and realistic and Heath Ledger is
Joker and it is fantastic.
Speaker 1: You complean me.
Speaker 2: And then Zack Snyder get involved and I love a
lot of what he does, but he had some trouble.
Josh Whedon took over and by the time we've gotten
our last appearance of Batman once again. It's writing, not good,
just kind of a misfire with those big missfire. So
Ben Affleck has written a script, yes, and then he's
going through some troubles.
Speaker 3: Yes, yes he is.
Speaker 2: And while that script is out there, they're looking for
a director and they hand it to a young director
named Matt Reeves.
Speaker 3: Well, before we get to Matt Reeves, let's talk about
ben Affleck's struggles.
Speaker 2: Okay, go ahead.
Speaker 3: I just feel like this is a part of the story.
Ben Afflack was going to he wrote the screenplay. Sorry,
ben Fleck was He had written the screenplay with Jeff Johnson. Yes,
he was going to star as Bruce Wayne and Batman
and he was going to direct. That's a lot, yeah,
and it's really a lot. When you're going through a divorce,
you're an alcoholic, you have to go to rehab and
you're sick of the character. Yeah, I mean, he just
he ran out of steam, couldn't do it, had personal problems,
had to back away.
Speaker 2: So Matt Reeves gets Ben AFFLECKX script. He's been shooting
some other movies that we'll talk about in a minute,
and when he looks at it, he's like, this is great.
But it's not for me, right. This Ben Affleck script
was a James Bond style Batman.
Speaker 3: Yeah, James Bond's style, and he's going to face death stroke,
you know. And and I'd read that the joker, like
Jared Leto from Suicide Squad, the Batman movie was going
to be like the Game About like Fincher. So it
had some good things, I think, but it just wasn't
matt Reeves the script right.
Speaker 2: And then with ben Affleck going through the troubles that
he's going through, he ultimately decides to pull out of
the picture. Yeah, and so one of her brothers calls
matt Reeves back up. Before we get there, let's talk
about Matt Reeves. I want you to do me a favorite.
Speaker 4: I want you to tell all your friends about me.
Speaker 3: Yeah, who is this guy?
Speaker 2: Who is this guy? Well, well, this guy is a
guy who's been friends with JJ Abrams since they were
thirteen years old. JJ Abrams, if you don't know, did
the Star Trek reboots. He did Force Awakens and you're
most hated Star Wars movie. But he's not. He's not
an insignificant character. I mean he's huge.
Speaker 3: He rebooted the Star Wars and Star Trek franchises. You
don't get that by being a no hotellent hacker.
Speaker 2: I know. I mean, and he did Super eight, which
is a great movie. He's done a bunch of really
fantastic stuff. I don't want to only look at the
stuff that we're unhappy with. He is an amazing director.
But he and Matt Reeves met when they were thirteen.
Just a few years later, this is so bizarre. A
few years later, they get a job from Steven Spielberg
taking his Super eight movies and moving them to VHS.
How does that happen? Well, they had been making short
films themselves. I guess that's what with the glue of
their relationship. Was like, hey I want to make movies.
Hey me too, So make short films and would come
out on public access TV on the Z channel.
Speaker 3: Wow.
Speaker 2: So I don't know if Spielberg was watching the Z Channel.
I don't know what the deal was. But somehow Spielberg
knows about these two kids and hires them, and they
met Kathleen Kennedy. I mean, how does what right? So
he hires these two kids to move his Super eight
stuff to VHS. They both are like, well, now we know,
our destiny is to make movies, right, Yeah, and so
he ends up going to USC as a screenwriting student.
Speaker 3: Actually, you know, before we go too much further with
Matt Reeves, yeah, you know, Warner Brothers had a list
of directors that they were interested in kicking this too.
We're talking big boys like Ridley Scott and George Miller
and Vennis Villa Nueva. So Warner Brothers was talking to
other big name directors to take over the Batman franchise. Okay,
I mean you've got guys like Matt Ross, Gavin O'Connor,
but I mean George Miller, Ridley Scott.
Speaker 2: Ridley Scott, that would have been an interesting Batman.
Speaker 3: Yeah. So and once again they go with kind of
the unknown guy, much like Tim Burdon and Christopher Nolan.
Speaker 2: Right right, Well, Matt Reeves is a little bit more
known than they were. It's just that maybe not everybody
else in the world knows, but he had done some
amazing stuff. Okay, Okay, So he goes to USC where
he's a screenwriting student for the writer Jeff Loeb who
wrote like the Lost series. He's I mean renowned guy.
Speaker 3: Yeah.
Speaker 2: He ends up making a student film called Mister Petrified's Forest,
which is an award winning student film that he's made,
which because it wins awards, he gets himself an agent.
He decides to write this script that he's like, Okay, well,
what's the first kind of movie I want to make? And,
like you and me, he loves Diehard, so he's like,
I'm going to make a Diehard style movie. And he
writes the script and the agent sells it, and it
takes a long time before it ultimately hits the screen,
and there weren't like people interested for the longest time.
And finally when they're like, hey, we finally sold your script,
he's like, oh great, who's going to star? And they're like,
it's going to be Steven Seagal, it's going to be
under Siege too, Dark Territory.
Speaker 3: Oh.
Speaker 2: I was like, I didn't write that movie. And they're like, well, yeah,
you did it. You did yeah, And so what you
get probably is nothing like the script that he wrote.
But that's it was that weird. It's a weird IMDb
technicality here. He is the screenwriter for under Siege to
Dark Territory.
Speaker 3: Now I have seen I saw under Siege Too. In
the theater. Oh my w because I was such a
big Under Siege fan.
Speaker 2: So he ends up directing a couple of movies. His
debut movie is called Future Shock, which came out in
ninety four, and it looks not good. I haven't seen it,
but it doesn't look like a good movie.
Speaker 3: Okay.
Speaker 2: The next one is nineteen ninety six and it stars
Gwyneth Paltrow ninety six, that's her primetime, Sure, David Schwimmer,
who's in the middle of friends at this point, yeah,
prime time. The movie's called The pall Bearer. It was
not a well received movie.
Speaker 3: I don't remember this one.
Speaker 2: Yeah, so it's a fair He's done two movies and
neither one of them are very good, so it's not
looking to promise him. For him, he goes back to
his friend JJ. They start working on a movie idea,
which ultimately becomes a TV show called Felicity.
Speaker 5: Yeah okay, Now Felicity was some success, right, Sure is
that Carrie Russell and Felicity? Yeah yeah, yeah, okay, yeah
yeah yeah, And so he ends up doing this was
ninety eight.
Speaker 2: He ends up doing TV for the next ten years,
like he's the TV guy. He does all kinds of
different TV shows, but not doing any big directing until
two thousand and eight, and he comes out with this
low budget horror movie produced by his friend JJ Abrams
called Cloverfield and it is a huge success. Then he
writes directs a remake of a Swedish film called Let
the Right One in that he titles let Me In.
And then he gets t have to do Twilight, which
is how he no, wait, it's the twilight Zone, Twilight Zone,
no different Twilight Twilight Zone. He gets they are going
to rebooth the Twilight Zone. He signs on, but then
they make him an offer he can't refuse. Okay, So
Matt Reeves loved two things when he was a kid,
The Planet of the Apes Yeah, and Batman comic books.
Speaker 5: Kill.
Speaker 2: In two thousand and twelve, he gets on offer to
direct the new Planet of the Apes movies. There have
already been two that have come out. The first one directed.
Speaker 3: By Tim Burton.
Speaker 2: Tim Burton, right, not a big success, right, second one
is slightly more successful, but they think, Okay, we're gonna
keep going, We're gonna build, and so they tap him
to do Dawn of Planet of the v Ape, which
comes out in twenty fourteen, much bigger success, and then
War for the Planet of the Apes, which came out
in twenty seventeen. So this guy who is unsuccessful as
a movie director falls into TV, happens to get back
into the movies a little bit at a time, and
ultimately becomes someone that Warner Brothers is now seeking out
to direct their new reboot of Batman.
Speaker 3: I've seen those two Planet of Day movies. They're pretty
darn good.
Speaker 2: Yeah, they're really good. I'm neither one of us are
CGI fans. They do a really good job with the
CGI on this. It's still not my favorite, but it's
I mean, as far as it goes, it's good. And
you've got Andy Serkis as the Ape, and so the
acting is on point.
Speaker 3: Andy Serkis plays Caesar, He's the main character in the Batman.
You know who's playing Alfred?
Speaker 2: Right Andy Serkis, Yes, a friend of yours. I'm not
so sure. So Matt Reeves gets Ben Afflecks and he
looks at it and he's like, this is awesome, but
this is not my Batman, right. I mean, this will
be a great movie, and whoever makes it, it's going
to be fantastic. But I have a different idea for
Batman altogether. Yeah.
Speaker 3: And as a Batman fan, he's like, Okay, I want
to go back to like Batman The Long Halloween or
Batman Year one or Batman ego. And being a comic
book fan, I've read The Long Halloween and you're one.
Speaker 2: Yeah, They're awesome. Yeah, And we mentioned that those were
also the comic books that inspired The Dark Knight.
Speaker 3: He also took the style from the nineteen seventies uh
huh movies like The French Connection and Clute and Chinatown
and Taxi Driver and The Conversation Francis Ford Coppola and
All the Presidents Man and like Hitchcock and stuff.
Speaker 2: If you've watched the trailer, I mentioned this to you.
I was like, this looks very much like a David
Fincher movie to me, right right, there's all kinds of rain.
We've got what appears to be a serial killer leaving
these little clues I mean screams David Fincher, right, sure,
And so you've got seventies movies style, you've got the
David Fincher serial killer style yep. And then the other,
I mean the other thing to throw into the pot
of the mix, he's Kirk Cobain from your Secret Friend.
Speaker 3: I know that this is incredible. So we discussed last
episode that in the trailer they're playing really low something
in the Way off of Nirvana's never Mind, right, And
he played that on loop while he was writing the
scripts exactly. And so his idea was to make Bruce
Wayne rather than playboy billionaire stud to make him a reclusive,
dark rockstar Kirk Cobain.
Speaker 2: Right, maybe drug addict, right, like his millions of dollars
are meaningless to him. And if you've seen the documentary
that Gus van Zandt did on Kirk Cobain called Last Days,
he said that was a big inspiration for him as
he was making this film. As a matter of fact,
in Last Days, you'll see these amps that are just
stacked up in a corner. Keep an eye out for
those in the Batman. So he's listening to Something in
the Way, and he is referencing all of these Fincher
movies and all of these seventy movies, and that's how
he comes up with the storyline. But also something else
that he sees in this time period is a movie
called Good Time. It's a movie that came out in
twenty seventeen, starring an actor that has been doing stuff
for twenty years. Okay, his name is Robert Pattinson.
Speaker 3: Yeah.
Speaker 2: Now I say he's been doing stuff for twenty years
because for a whole lot of people, when they heard
that he was going to be the new Batman, they said,
the Twilight guy. Right, Okay, he's done some other stuff
since then. What he did, I mean, he was he's
a very handsome man. Right, there's no question he's a
handsome guy. He was playing those handsome guy parts. But
what he said is, I don't want to be that guy.
I don't want to be that actor. Much like Keith Ledger.
He was like, I want to find movies that mean
something to me and when I'm hungry enough to do
those movies. And so he's been in a ton of
indie movies and when I heard Good Time was the
thing that triggered Matt Reeves to go, Okay, I want
this guy as my Batman, and he wrote the whole
thing with him in mind. I watched it. I watched
it today. I've watched three quarters of the movie today
and it is awesome. I encourage everybody who's skeptical about
Robert Pattinson to go check out Good Time before you
watch The Batman, because he's got shops. He is a
solid actor and not just a pretty boy a pretty
vampire who twinkles in the summer.
Speaker 3: Well, we talked about that in our previous episodes that
you know, people freaked out when Michael Keaton got the
part of Batman. Yeah, I mean that's mister mom and Beetlejuice, right,
And when Heath Ledger mister broke Back Mountain, he's joker.
People freaked out about that and people hit the ceiling
when Robert Pattinsons got this role. Let's see how he
does guys. Yeah, when you're talking about Matt Reeves and
when he's writing this screenplay, he's thinking about the bad guy. Okay,
so we've talked about him being influenced by seventies movies.
He is influenced by Fincher. We both talked about how
this looks just like seven, but another Fincher movie is Zodiac.
Speaker 2: Yeah. The one time that you see the Riddler, not
as you know, just the guy in the coffee shop
where he's actually got some sort of costume on the
costume looks nothing like Jim Carrey. It looks nothing like
the sixty four Riddler with the green suit and the
question marks. It looks like the Zodiac Killer from Zodiac
by David Fincher. And just like in Zodiac, he's sending
out these cipher messages that you have to solve the
riddle in order to figure out who's involved in the crime.
Right and seven, same style. And I'll say this, go
watch that trailer. Go watch the trailer that begins with
the dark, rainy street and the neon bar and the
police are coming in. Edward n Ashton, aka the Riddler.
You never see his face. He's just sitting there having
a cup of coffee and he slowly raises his hands.
This guy's giving himself up, just like John Doe and seven,
just like the Joker in the Dark Night. This has
got to be part of a plan. I'm so excited
to see what they're going to do with this serial
killer Riddler giving himself up. Cipher's Year two. This is
what we're taking on is year two where the Batman
is troubled and doesn't know how to do things right yet.
I mean, you look at year one, he's messing stuff
up he's getting people killed. He's walking around without the
batsuit on, like in the Red Light District, which is
how he meets Selena Kyle. I mean, this is some dark,
gritty stuff. But also if you watch the trailer, you
get lots of action, so hopefully Matt Reeves said, I
want deep art film style, but I don't want to
lose the action, and that's how we're going to get
the muscle car busting through the flames. Got so, I
got so.
Speaker 3: I do think there's gonna be a lot of action.
I do think. I do agree with you. It's Barry
Fincher esque. But I've read that they're going to really
emphasize his detective skills. Okay, remember we talked about in
Batman eighty nine where he's like, all of a sudden,
he's like, it's Harris brain deodorant.
Speaker 2: Right.
Speaker 3: Wait, wait, what how do you know you figured that out?
So it's a whole bunch of noir and detective skills
and serial killer.
Speaker 2: Yeah.
Speaker 3: Matt Reeves was reading Mind Hunter by John Douglas. Have
you ever read that book? No, I have read that book.
It's fascinating and disturbing. John Douglas is who the Scott Glenn,
character in Silence of the Lambs is based on he
wrote a book like compiling all of the serial killers
and what their emos were and how they worked.
Speaker 2: Okay, so we talked about how Matt Reeves was a
Batman fan, yes, And we talked about how Year one
is a major influence on this, right, sure, And we
talked about how Taxi Driver is a major influence on this.
Speaker 3: Right.
Speaker 2: So there's a frame in Year one that when Matt
Reeves was reading and he was like, Batman looks like
the taxi driver in this one. That's what he looks like. Well,
a while later he got the commemorative edition of Year one,
which had basically like liner notes in the back of it,
and one of them was a note from Frank Miller
to David Mazaicelli, who's the artist on it, and his
note is I want Batman to look like he's won
a Taxi Driver lookalike contest. So they are literally on
the same page.
Speaker 3: Taxi Driver starring Roberts de Niro. We were going to
talk about the Godfather and Godfather too here next week. Yeah,
and it's going to be amazing.
Speaker 2: Who the hell so you talking talking to me. Well,
I'm the only one here. Let's talk about let's start.
Let's talk about casting now, Okay, So first, I think
and foremost, let's talk Robert Pattinson. Right, Sure. So when
Robert Pattenson gets the offer to come audition for The Batman,
he's in the middle of filming a movie called Tenant
with Christopher Nolan. I know this is fascinating, right, and
so he has to lie to Christopher Nolan and say,
I can't be there today. I have a family emergency.
But Christopher Nolan, I mean, he's in touch with all
things WB and the Batman. So his immediate response is,
you're gonna go audition for the Batman, aren't.
Speaker 3: That's great?
Speaker 2: Yeah? Yeah, yeah. So when he does his audition, he
wears Val Kilmer's suit, which Christian Bale also wore, veil
flower suit, and they did his screen test, right, So,
as we mentioned that.
Speaker 3: Would did not have nipples as far as I can remember.
Speaker 2: So, as we mentioned, he Matt Reeves had him in
mind after seeing Good Time, right, and so he's been
the image the whole time. But when he first he's like,
I don't even know if he's interested. You know, he's
doing these indie art films. I don't know that he's
going to be wanting to do a big superhero movie, right.
And he talks to Robert, and Robert Pattinson is also
a Batman fan. Bigo, all the lights clicking. That's great, Okay,
so let's talk cast. Okay. When you go to IMDb,
the first personalist, very first person number one is an
actor named Barry Keegan who's been in Christopher Nolan's Dunkirk. Okay,
and his character is Stanley Markle. I had to look
up Stanley Markle. Stanley Markle was apparently a partner of
James Gordon's when he first got started. I think he
ends up later getting killed by the Hangman. He has
relatives that are criminals, so I don't know how he's
going to play into all of this. It's just weird
to me that this guy, who we've not seen a
bit of him in any of the trailers is the
number one guy on IMDb. Okay, number two, you get
Robert Pattinson. That makes sense. And then we've got Zoe Kravitz,
Selena Kyle, the cat one.
Speaker 3: Yeah, you know who Zoe Kravitz's parents are? Yes, So
I remember when she was born. That's how old I am. Right,
Lenny Kravitz and Lisa Bonet right from The Cosby Show, right,
had a girl, Zoe Kravitz, and now she's freaking.
Speaker 2: Catwoman right, which it's too long a connection, But Aquaman
and Lisa Bonet just broke up, not too long. Very
important to Matt Reeves that we not have anybody who
can talk to fish. Please know So Zoe Kravitz, I'm
watching a series right now called Big Little Liars. She
plays a part of that one. She's really good.
Speaker 3: She looks like a great cat one.
Speaker 2: Yeah. Okay, So then we have as Edward Nashtin Slash
the Riddler, Paul Dano. I'm just the truth about this.
Paul Dano is one of them. I really enjoy his stuff.
I hated There Will Be Blood. Everybody else loved it.
I hated it, but there's no question he did a
fantastic job with that movie. He was also in Little
Miss Sunshine. He was in Swiss Army Man with Daniel Radcliffe,
and he was in Love and Mercy where he played
a young Brian Wilson from the Beach Boys. Also great.
I'm super excited to see what he does with this
serial killer style Riverler.
Speaker 3: Ye any ill feelings about him not being mister e
Nigma Edward Edward Enigma, No me either, me either.
Speaker 2: Yeah. We have a guy who you're not going to
recognize in the trailer, Oswald Cobblepot slash Penguin.
Speaker 3: This is fantastic.
Speaker 2: This blew my mind. When I saw his picture on IMD,
I was like, who is he? He's he's what?
Speaker 3: Yeah?
Speaker 2: The fat gangster looking guy that you see in the
trailer is played by Colin Ferrell. What I know. That's nuts.
Colin Ferrell.
Speaker 3: Colin Ferrell who has been in He was in the
remake of Friday Night, he was in the remake of
Total Recall. He's been in a lot of stuff. He's
a great looking dude. He based his character Oswald Cobblepot
on Fredo Corleone from The Godfather. Oh wow, he's a gangster,
you know, a member of the mob, but he's sort
of kicked aside and unappreciated.
Speaker 5: I'm smart, like everybody says, like Dumb's set.
Speaker 2: That's fantastic. That makes so much sense because you see
the iceberg like that. I think it's called the Iceberg Lounge.
That's his thing. That's a very Fredo from his Vegas stint.
By the way, preview to what was coming up. We
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Speaker 3: Yes, so we've got Jeffrey Wright playing James Gordon. Right,
I don't know if he's Commissioner Gordon and not.
Speaker 2: I think there's another commissioner that like that. The funeral
I think is for the commissioner.
Speaker 3: Okay. He plays Felix Leder from the Daniel Craig James Bond.
Speaker 2: Movie The FBI Guy. Yeah, yeah, he's.
Speaker 3: A guy loses all these chips at Cassina Royal.
Speaker 2: Right, right, and what about the winnings.
Speaker 3: Does it look like we need the money? Okay? And
then you've got John Tuturo as Carmine Falcone.
Speaker 2: I love, I love John Deturo. I don't care what
he's in. It's awesome, all right.
Speaker 3: I got something for you here, Okay. Peter sars Guard
is playing Gil Coulson.
Speaker 2: Okay, this is.
Speaker 3: The district attorney somewhere prior to.
Speaker 2: Harvey Dent right right.
Speaker 3: He describes this character as untruthful and distasteful. It'd be
interesting to see what kind of character this is. But
do you know who Peter sars Guard is married to
Maggie Gillenhall. Oh wow, she plays Rachel Dawes in The
Dark Knight.
Speaker 2: You've got as Alfred Penniworth. Andy Serkis, Andy Serkis.
Speaker 3: That's interesting, and I know that they're trying to lean
more that Alfred has this sort of military background. I
think even maybe m I six or something.
Speaker 2: Well, he's in a preview. He's got a scar on
his forehead, which leads me to believe he's seen some action.
Speaker 3: I mean, who else better to train Bruce Wayne than
mister I six Alfred Penniworth.
Speaker 2: I love it. I love it. I think that's fantastic.
Speaker 3: We should say this is outside the DCEU, right, right,
the extended universe, right, So none of the Aquaman stuff,
none of the Henry Cavillman of Steel, all that stuff
takes place somewhere else. I think they even said this
is Earth two.
Speaker 2: Right, this is this is a different universe kind of
like The Joker, right, which, if we can discuss for
just a second. Yeah, yeah, I saw that movie before
you did. Yes, I went and watched it with my
wife and she did not like it. Yes, and I
enjoyed it for what it was. It's it is a
fantastic movie. It is not what you expect when you're
going to go see a movie based on comic books.
And I called you and I said, this is not
your kind of movie. And you went and saw it anyway,
and you called me up and said that was I.
Speaker 3: Said that wasn't a strong enough but I say those
words were not strong enough.
Speaker 6: That was like beat. This movie was terrible. I said,
I told you it was to do like that was
not a strong enough warning. Yes, man, Yes, So yeah, if.
Speaker 2: You if you take The Joker and make it a
Tats and Driver, it's a different movie than than a
superhero movie that you've been used to, for sure. I
enjoyed it very much, but it's not for everybody, for sure.
But here's what's interesting. The hospital. They don't call it
the Arkham Asylum in The Joker they call it the
Arkham State Hospital. Okay, why is that interesting? Because in
the trailer for The Batman, there's a part where the
Batman has come in to see the Riddler inside of
what appears to be a jail cell. Right, the screen
is rising so they can talk to each other through
the glass and Batman, yes, lambs is an arm against
the glass. What are you doing? And all of this
is the only thing that we hear the Riddler say.
He says, I've been trying to reach you, meaning again.
I think this goes back to him giving himself up.
This is all part of his plan. But you don't
see his face. What you do see is his uniform.
You see his chest is that thing hands up. What's
written on the uniform is not a jail. It is
the Arkham State Hospital, just like at a Choker. Don't
know if they're going to be in the same universe
or not. I mean they be the styles are similar.
I don't know.
Speaker 3: Well, that could be interesting. And I know that that
Robert Pattinson has signed a three picture deal to do
three Batman movies. This is another trilogy. Yeah, and you
know they're gonna want to bring Joker back.
Speaker 2: Yeah, I don't. I really don't think Joaquin Phoenix is
going to do another one. I mean, it's just not
I don't think that's his type of thing to do.
Let's just standalone, Jack Nicholson.
Speaker 3: Let's go make the call.
Speaker 2: That's fantastic. This town needs an enema. So the writers
that we have on this, we mentioned Matt Reeves is
primarily responsible. He teamed up with Peter Craig to write this.
Peter Craig wrote the Hunger Games movies. He also wrote
The Town starring mister Bin Attack. Great movie. So I'm
just I'm thinking through this right. So we've got some
solid acting skills, We've obviously got a significant budget. We've
got a reboot style tale that goes back to the
dark grittiness. We have Matt Reeves, who gave us some
incredible Planet of the Apes movies, and we've got He's
a great storyteller. Yes, he is a great storyteller. He
is completely devoted to one picture at a time. And
when he agreed to do this, it was twenty seventeen,
February of twenty seventeen. When did you tell me? Filming
started on this January of twenty twenty.
Speaker 4: January of twenty twenty, which means he went for three
years developing the movie, only to have it stop abruptly
in March.
Speaker 3: We got to talk about that. So this, to me
is the major story about the filming of this is.
Production started January twenty twenty in London. As we all know,
in early March of twenty twenty, the world shut down
because of the COVID nineteen pandemic. Well, at first, Warner
Brothers was like, we're not shutting down. No, no, this
is bull crap.
Speaker 2: We got movies to make, we got.
Speaker 3: A budget, We're making them freaking Batman, right.
Speaker 2: Can you remember when the swine flu came out?
Speaker 3: This is boil over in a.
Speaker 2: Couple of weeks.
Speaker 3: This is bull crab, keep rolling. So when they realized no,
this really is the real deal on March fourteenth, they
shut down, but only for two weeks. That was the plan,
all right, two weeks, Yeah, this all should be over
in two weeks, right, right, So two weeks later, obviously
the world still very much under pandemic.
Speaker 2: Yeh.
Speaker 3: They did not resume filming until September of twenty twenty.
That's a six month pause in the middle of a
major movie, right.
Speaker 2: And then when they started filming again. They can't just
go back to doing things the way they'd done them
before because the world changed.
Speaker 3: Yeah, Robert Pattinsons says, like a military operation, right, they
had earbuds in to receive direction. He said, there was
like robotic remote control cameras. He said, he didn't even
know if there was a crew. He's like standing out
there by himself.
Speaker 2: Guys, how was that somebody's the action? Sorry? Did you
order a hamburger?
Speaker 3: I have to go to the bath room.
Speaker 2: That, by the way, was the note that was given
to both he and Zoe Kravitz. Make sure you can
go to the bathroom in this thing.
Speaker 3: That's great.
Speaker 2: So once again on the producer list, we've got Michael Uselin,
who I think we're in good hands, right, and then
the composer. Okay, are you ready for this?
Speaker 3: Yeah?
Speaker 2: The composer is Michael Giacchino. Every Pixar film that you love,
he composed the score for it. He did The Mission
Impossible movies that you love, He did Rogue one. This
guy is a master. I mean, if you just took Up. Yeah,
the music in Up is so utterly brilliant that it
blows me away. And then you compare it to The Incredibles,
which is completely different and still perfect for the movie.
And I have downloaded the theme for The Batman and
I can't stop listening to it. We talked about the
difference between Danny Elfman and his obvious theme that he's
got going on, and Hans Zimmer and the more repetitive
style that Hans Zimmer has, and how different they are.
I think that Michael g and Chin, who gives us both,
He's got a theme that is very nicely intermixed with
these tension building Austinado's that it's so good. I can't
wait to see what they do with all of it.
Speaker 3: He had me had incredible, So I'm just telling you yeah.
Speaker 2: And then we've got the cinematographer. His name is Greg Frasier. Okay, yeah,
I just found the other day, born the same day
that I was. It was a good day also. By
the way, he was four years old, n four years
old the day that bat Film's Inc. Was formed. Now,
he did the cinematography for Let Me In, and he
also did it for Zero Dark thirty, he did it
for Doune, and he did it for Rogue One. I
can remember seeing Rogue one and going how did they
make this look so much like the original t Religion. Yeah, yeah,
I mean it was spot on and it had a
lot to do with his cinematography style. Right. So in
the trailer, there's this moment that it's it's basically darkness
and you see Batman charging forward and the only lights
that you can see are coming from these machine guns
that are shooting him. And I watched that scene and
I'm like, this looks like the end of Rogue one
where Darth Vader is coming through the dark hallway and
it's only lit by that light by his lightsaber and
the gun shooting. And sure enough, the same guy film
both scenes. I'm geared up.
Speaker 3: One of the coolest scenes filmed for any Star Wars movie.
Speaker 2: Absolutely, and I will say Rogue one is my favorite
Star Wars movie aside from the original trilogy. I might
even put it above for Return of the Jedi. Wow,
it's I love Rogue One. I really really do.
Speaker 3: I can go with you on that.
Speaker 2: So we have all of these ingredients for a successful movie.
I'm super excited to see where it goes. Me too.
Speaker 3: I got some tidbits for you. Okay, So Matt Reeves
brought in Robert Pattinson. Yes, put him in the Val
Kilmer suit, but he said he knew he was right
when he put on the makeup, right, And actually in
the trailer you see Bruce Wayne without his cow on
and you have the black makeup on. And they really
wanted to show, you know, in Batman Forever, when Michael
Keaton rips off his mask, he's not wearing any makeup.
Speaker 2: Right, It's yeah, it's a meme.
Speaker 3: It's it's ridiculous, yeah, right, And so they wanted to
show that sweaty, bruised makeup tough, gritty guy underneath.
Speaker 2: Right. Well, and you know a little bit of the
Emo vibe, a little bit of the Curtin darker. Yeah.
Speaker 3: Robert Pattinson took a selfie of himself in the batsuit
just in case he got fired the first week. He
was like, He's like, it was very much against the rules,
but I needed it just in case. Did you know
that Zoe Kravitz actually void the character of Catwoman in
the Lego Batman movie?
Speaker 2: Wow?
Speaker 3: How about that?
Speaker 2: That is fantastic? Yes? Okay, so quick note on that.
Last year. May of last year, Matt Reeves signed on
to do an animated series of The Batman called Batman
Caped Crusader. I'm excited to see man.
Speaker 3: I'm all in.
Speaker 2: His wife is Melinda Wang. She's a former animator, So.
Speaker 3: No offense Melinda Wang. What that's from Shack? Sorry? Okay,
we mentioned that Colin Ferrell is playing the Penguin, right.
He actually has the distinction of playing a super villain
in both the DC and Marvel universe. Can you name
the super villain that he plays in the Marvel universe?
Speaker 2: Is it in the Eternals?
Speaker 3: No?
Speaker 2: I give up.
Speaker 3: He plays Bullseye in the ben A Flack Daredevil movie
from two thousand and three.
Speaker 2: Gosh, I remember that novel.
Speaker 3: Wow. Jennifer Gardner who he married and now divorced?
Speaker 2: Oh wow? Yeah, I had even forgotten the ben Affleck
was every the daar doll whoa.
Speaker 3: And finally, this is the first solo Batman film to
be shot on digital. You know, we talked about COVID
nineteen interrupting this movie. This film was originally scheduled to
be released June twenty fifth, twenty twenty one, but due
to that production halt, they had to push it back
to October first of twenty twenty one. And now finally
we're getting it worldwide March fourth, twenty twenty two. This
should be a summer blockbuster. The movie has a run
time of two hours and fifty five minutes. Yeah, that's
a long time. I don't care.
Speaker 2: And the cameras that they used are the Area Alexi
and the Air Alexa. Many using anamorphic lenses, which I'm
super excited that they did that because it gives it
such a great cinematic look. It's gonna be great.
Speaker 3: This movie is nearly three hours long. Dark Knight was
two and a half hours. Man eighty nine was over
two hours. The Godfather, Godfather Too, and Goodfellows are all
three hour movies.
Speaker 2: Right, so at least in The Godfather you get an intermission.
I don't know that. I'm gonna say we're gonna be
seeing it the night that it comes out. We're not
gonna have windogo pee dot com. We won't know. We'll
have to let you know.
Speaker 3: We'll do our best.
Speaker 2: Yeah, basically, just don't go right, I'm gonna I'm gonna
start dehydrating like early that morning.
Speaker 3: No coke for you.
Speaker 2: Let's now go to the movie theater and see the movie.
Speaker 3: I'm ready, let's go.
Speaker 2: Okay, I'll get the pop up. Holy crap, go see
that movie.
Speaker 3: Wow, we are back from watching the movie. This is
just minutes ago that we're back in the car.
Speaker 2: Now, okay, guys, we've seen the movie. We are going
to have spoilers, so be prepared for those this point forward.
Speaker 3: If you don't want to know anything else, don't listen.
Speaker 2: Yeah, push pause, go see the movie, and then come
back and listen. So tell me your thoughts. What do
you think? Good?
Speaker 3: Bad?
Speaker 2: What do you think?
Speaker 3: I thought it was fantastic. I thought it was fantastic, fantastic, fantastic.
Speaker 2: Okay, So just off the top of your head, which
your best best part about me?
Speaker 3: So? I love the first the riddles at the beginning,
like the first hour or so, while they're solving the
mystery and he's plucking important people out of Gotham and
you know, endangering them and they're having to try to
track him down, and all the riddles and all that
stuff was awesome. I do think it lulled a little
bit in the middle. So it's it started with a
bang right off the bat. We don't we're not fooling
around with any of the stupid Bruce Wayne backstory. We're
not fooling around with any of the penguin or any
of that backstory. We're just dropped right in the middle
of a mystery that's beginning, and they expect you to
already understand who some of these characters are, which we do.
I mean, this is you know, American folklore, these characters,
and it starts right off, and man, you're following these
clues and there's this crazy Riddler character who's like John
Doe from Seven. I thought it was very much like Seven,
very much. I thought there was a you know, zodiac,
and I thought there was even a little bit of
the movie Saw if you've ever seen.
Speaker 2: Saw a little bit.
Speaker 3: So yeah, very very dark. My little my thirteen year
old daughter wants to watch this, and I thought, well,
it's PG thirteen. I'm not really comfortable with her watching
this one.
Speaker 2: It is. It is definitely pushing that edge of the thirteen.
I almost wish they would have gone ahead and just
done an R version and just pushed it a little
bit more. But this is definitely this is a strong movie.
I was surprised at some of the strength of some
of the scenes. Here's what Okay, So number one for me,
Number one is the music. I knew I was gonna
love it, and I was. It exceeded my expectations. Did
a perfect job with the music. Number two. I liked
the kind of learning his way Batman. He doesn't really
know it yet. We talked about how this is just
year two and he makes mistakes, and there's not a
ton of mistakes, but when we had them, they were good.
They were a solid moment in that it's really the
tone is so dark, and you do have this seventies five.
I was watching this. It doesn't take place in the seventies.
I mean, we got flash drives and cell phones and all.
I mean, it's obviously a now type of universe. But
the cars that are driving around are for the most part,
kind of those seventies style taxis and stuff like that.
Until you get to the chase scene. What do you
think of the chasing?
Speaker 3: The chase scene was very born identity. It was gritty
and you felt the impact of it and the throttle
and I really felt like I was inside the chase scene.
Speaker 2: So this Bruce Wayne is a gearhead. You catch a
glimpse of his engine a few times as it's panning
around in the bat cave, and then it comes to
life in the Batmobile, and it's awesome.
Speaker 3: I wasn't as big a fan as of the batmobile.
Speaker 2: Okay, I mean it was cool.
Speaker 3: It was a muscle car. Yeah, I'm still a tumbler
guy all the way.
Speaker 2: So you had talked about before in the earlier part
of this episode that you were excited about the idea
that it was going to be a detective story that
was more detective story, and it was definitely that. In fact,
it was a throwback to the Mickey Splaine like here
I am in this ragged city, this is my life.
I mean, it has him narrating just like that character.
I mean it's like, you know, Raymond Chandler or Nashal
Hammett or something like that. I mean it's it is
the from the perspective of the detective and it's got
his narration on there. And I thought it was brilliantly done.
Opening scene. Oh wow, so good, so good. You everybody
knows that you've got I mean from the trailer, we
know that we've got the death of the Mayor and
that that scene was perfect. It's perfect.
Speaker 3: So it was scary, right, Yeah, Like it was legit
because there's he's got that crazy, sadistic looking mask on,
and it's the mayor and he's walking around his house
and he's he's watching TV and you see this flash
and there's a person in the room with him and
it's dark and we know it and he doesn't. And
it's that tense Alfred Hitchcock type of.
Speaker 2: Thing, absolutely, and they build it. They show you him,
and then you wait and you wait and you wait,
and you think maybe nothing's going to happen. And it's
at that moment that you think nothing's going to happen
that he explodes into action with a scream, and it's.
Speaker 3: Very violent, like very violent right off the bat Yeah.
Speaker 2: So those things all, you know, the detective and the
ciphers that we like from seven that we talked about,
those come into play and build really nicely for the
first couple of acts. But if I got to say
anything bad about the movie, it's the same bad thing
that we said about Batman eighty nine and The Dark Knight.
The third act doesn't finish off quite as strong the
climax of the movie. And this is I mean, this
is big spoiler here, everybody. I almost don't want to
say this. I want to say this. I'm not going
to give you all the details. Yeah, but the big
climax of the movie is when you think, think that
the Riddler knows who Batman is, and then you realize
that it is kind of like the Jack Nicholson you
made Me kind of story, and it's it flips it
on its head and it's a surprise.
Speaker 3: The verb, the way he words it, I'm like, oh no,
he's exposed. And then, without giving too much away, you
realize he doesn't know.
Speaker 2: Excellent writing, very very well done. I love the fight scenes.
The fight scenes were on point. We didn't have we
didn't have a batman who knew you know, Brazilian jiu jitsu.
We had a batman who threw some punches and got
hit himself and got thrown around and hit you until
you stop moving.
Speaker 3: Here's what I thought. You know the punch sound that
you get from Indiana Jones and Raiders of the Lost Star, Yeah,
you know that full on sound. So every punch that
bat Man throws it you feel it like a compression
in your chest.
Speaker 2: Absolutely so.
Speaker 3: I thought Robert Pattinson did a great job. He was
very dark. I thought he was very Kurt Cobain. You know,
we talked about he's not playboy rich out there, He's
a reclusive rock star Kurt Cobain.
Speaker 2: Right. There is a point that the Riddler says to him,
your your true self when you have the mask on,
and I think that was absolutely true for the movie.
Like you, you were excited when he was dressed as
the bat when he was Bruce Wayne, he felt like
he was out of place. He felt you know, everybody's
been saying, oh, he's the emo Bruce Wayne. Well, yeah,
he felt like a guy who was displaced, which you
can say emo or you could say, you know, NEI Western.
Maybe he's the cowboy. And there's a there. There is
a point that you get kind of a cowboy style
music and the red flames in the back as it's
coming on, and I'm like, oh, this is a very
nice touch on that kind of Western style.
Speaker 3: Gun's okay, let's discuss problems. Do you have any problems
with this?
Speaker 2: Okay? So problem number one that I mentioned is the
the third act, once you get past that very impactful
scene between the Riddler and the Batman and you see
his plan, it's not as clean and clear as I
wanted it to be.
Speaker 3: Yeah, you and I were talking in the actually in
the bathroom after the game, after the movie and the
Big the Big Riddler last act, like he's in custody,
but he's got one more trick up his sleeve, right,
John Doe's got the upper hand. Yeah, it's a fizzle.
Speaker 2: At it's a little bit of a fizzle. It is
not as big as it could have been. And I'm
gonna say this. You know, when I walked out of
the Dark Night after seeing in the movies, I wasn't like,
this is the perfect movie. I was like, Okay, that
was good, and I'm a little confused. Yeah, And it
took watching it a few times. And Quentin Tarantino has
said as much about Christopher nolan movies. You know, when
they asked him about Tenant and he's they're like, did
you like that one? He's like, tell you truth, I
don't think I've seen it enough times yet to know. Yeah,
I'm gonna have to see this movie again, probably two
or three more times, and maybe once I've seen it
two or three more times, it's going to fit. The
pieces of the puzzle are going to fit together for me.
I can tell you that on first watch, Act one
and Act two solid as rock.
Speaker 3: I thought this movie was a fantastic movie, where parts
of Act three weren't executed as well as I was hoping.
But it's the best movie I've seen in the theater
in years, years, years and years, absolutely and maybe decades.
Speaker 2: Okay, so I know we're talking about things that we
didn't like. Yeah. The other thing they blind me about.
Every twenty to twenty five minutes, they will shine a
light right in your freaking fay. I'm like, okay, why
why do you keep doing that? It's like light, It's
like a flashlight, It's like a torch. I mean, like, ah,
So that was That's my one those two things that
it wasn't a strong finish at the end. Now I'm
going to say this. I started thinking about this is
I told you I needed to be here, Like, are
you going to tell me what you thought? Like, I
gotta kind of gather, I gotta I gotta process this.
So spoiler alert, the realization that he makes at the
end is that he can't be vengeance. He has to
be hope. And that is a strong biblical connection because
Old Testament God is this wrathful God, and Jesus is
this hope and what you see. Once he realizes that
his persona of vengeance is having an ill effect on
the rest of the Gotham, he switches and suddenly he
is this very impressive scene where he is leading his
people out. They do this great crane shot and it's
him with a light leading them through the water, and
the water itself is very much a flood. It's very
much that we're going to wash away the filth of
the city. The problem that I had with it is
the Riddler seemed so focused for Act one and two
on the corrupt officials, and then an Act three it
ended up, well, we're just going to wash away everybody.
That was kind of an odd take. We're going to
inconvenience everyone well, and I think the intention was to,
you know, flood them into a spot and then I
don't won't give away the end, but there are followers
who are there. But yeah, it didn't where I understand
the allegory that they were trying to give. I don't
think it was as strong as it could have been.
But I've only seen it once, right, I've only seen
it once.
Speaker 3: Let's talk about strengths.
Speaker 2: Selena Kyle, she best catwoman of all time.
Speaker 3: Wow, coming strong.
Speaker 2: I was spiked football every day, all day long. Best
catwoman of all time. She as far as that they have.
You know, they've got this love interest to me, she delivered.
Robert Pattinson didn't quite. I didn't feel like he had
the chemistry for her that she had for him. Like
it felt like if like I believed her fascination with
him and his I didn't buy so much.
Speaker 3: Okay, I thought she was fantastic. I thought it was real. Right.
They alluded to the fact that maybe she's a prostituted
or that she'd worked in this kind of underbelly club
doing sort of sortid things.
Speaker 2: Very Batman Year one, and she even looks like Selena
Kyle and Batman Year one.
Speaker 3: Definitely, definitely okay. Penguin Penguin was the best penguin of
all time.
Speaker 2: Best penguin of all time, but by far, far and
away best villain in the movie in my opinion. Oh wait, wait,
wait wait, Riddler's great. Riddler is great.
Speaker 3: Riddler was fantastic.
Speaker 2: Falcone stole every scene that he was in. John Tuturo
stole every scene that he was in.
Speaker 3: That was awesome.
Speaker 2: He really really was.
Speaker 3: Yeah, Okay, what about Gordon.
Speaker 2: I loved Gordon. Yeah, I loved it, and he provided
some comedy in the movie that I like. I say,
every movie needs to have some laughs, and I laughed
at least three or four times in this movie out loud.
Speaker 3: The laughs were rare.
Speaker 2: The laughs were rare, and I think I may have
laughed inappropriately the couple, but they were there. They were
there enough for such a dark, dark movie.
Speaker 3: Yeah, there was one scene that I almost laughed inappropriately.
It's when the penguin like flips his car like twenty times.
Speaker 2: Okay, so you and I know I just had a
wreck like three days ago. That was a little triggery
for me. Was like, oh, it's made me a little uncomfortable. Okay, sorry,
go ahead, go ahead. Yeah, So he flips his car.
Speaker 3: You actually see the rolling of the car from inside
the car. You experienced the role. There's stuff going everywhere,
and then you see these boots. It's very cowboy. He's
walking up in a clump, clump, clump, and I expected
him to bend over and be like, are you okay,
But instead of you know, grabs him and starts beating
him up.
Speaker 2: You know.
Speaker 3: So, yeah, penguin was fantastic. Gordon was fantastic. I thought
Robert Pattinson as Batman it was a different take on
Batman and Bruce Wayne, but I'm fully invested. I was
very very much a fan. And then The Riddler was
amazing scary. Uh he provided a real menace yeah, verse seven.
Speaker 2: Right, And Paul Dano just as a human being, has
a demented look about him. I mean no offense to
the it's a gift that he has that he can
play those kind of warped characters. But you don't see
him for three quarters of the movie. You don't see
his face.
Speaker 3: No, But those videos and stuff that he posted were
super scary.
Speaker 2: Yes, And there was a scene. There was a scene
where he had two IDs and they said which one
of these are you? And he said, you tell me,
And I felt like there was more of a story there.
And a little bit later on it showed his picture
without the mask on next to his picture with the
mask on. I was expecting there to be some sort
of twin thing that was going to happen, which apparent.
I mean, obviously it didn't happen, unless that's a plan
for a later movie or something like that. I'm not sure.
Speaker 3: Okay, one more thing I want to bring up before
we finish up. Okay, the last scene in Arkham Asylum. Yeah,
there's a conversation that happens between the Riddler and somebody
and somebody.
Speaker 2: Another inmate in the Arkham State Hospital. Okay, that's Arkham
State Hospital. And when when I was looking at him,
he kind of looked like his face was messed up,
So I'm like, is this two face? But then he
talked about being a clown, so I'm like, is this joker?
And then he says, riddle me this, and he's like,
what's more valuable the for you or you have? And
the Riddler answers friends and so he's talking to the
Riddler about a comeback story, and so maybe that's what's
in store, but we don't know exactly who this guy is.
But then they both start to laugh together and it's
this maniacal, weird laugh. Who do you think it is?
Speaker 3: It's got to be. They're clearly putting the Joker out there,
so yeah, okay, or at least they're throwing us off
the trail.
Speaker 2: That is.
Speaker 3: I think it's the Joker.
Speaker 2: But it's not a joker we've seen before. It's definitely
not what Keene Phoenix, it's definitely not Jared Leto.
Speaker 3: I'm okay with both that. That's fine with me.
Speaker 2: That's good stuff. Let's see. Is there anything else that
we need to talk about this? Okay? Yeah, we so
we do. We have to do this, all right? How's
it going to rank? Okay, but let's do it like
we did on our on our episodes. Okay, Keaton, Bail, Pattinson,
what do you ring?
Speaker 3: I would Okay, I just watched it just a few
minutes ago, so it's still fresh in my brain. But
I'm going Keaton, Pattinson, Bail Nice Batman.
Speaker 2: Nice so so number one, Keaton number two, Pattinson, Yeah,
and Christian Bale finishing third. Yes, Okay, all right, I agree, Okay,
I'm right, I'm I'm right there. Okay, Yeah, I think
that's exactly Yeah. I think you're spot on on that one.
Speaker 3: Okay.
Speaker 2: Okay, So there is no joker in this one, right,
We've got a slew of good characters. I don't know
that we can really compare any of our bad guys
in this movie to either one of those jokers, though, No,
I don't think any of them reach either Jack Nicholson
or Heath Ledger level.
Speaker 3: He's more of a behind the scenes and kind of
off screen scary.
Speaker 2: Both of those actors had the opportunity to build a
real character that we got to see a lot of.
This is an entirely different story. This was somebody in
the shadows and almost all circumstances. So it's not the same.
It's not fair to compare them, but it's important to
note that we don't have one of those standout villains
in this one. We've got a different type of villain altogether,
a great villain, John, a genuinely scary villain. Yeah, it's you.
You don't look at them and laugh. You you look
at them and go, my word, what could happen to
some twisted mind? Right? Okay, I'm still saying Number one
is the Keaton Mobile. Yeah, but that Muscle care Car
was awesome. I loved the Muscle Car. I love the
Muscle Car, Bars through the Flames. I still am picking it.
I'm picking it above the Humby version of the Batmobile, Okay,
which you would put at number one?
Speaker 3: Yes, you're crazy, Yeah, Tumbler one eighty nine, Batmobile two,
Muscle Car three. I don't it really didn't do anything.
Especially had a like a turbo charged engine, but it
didn't didn't have any kind of special machine guns or
oil slicks.
Speaker 2: Or smoke screen or year two.
Speaker 3: I know, I know, I'm just I mean.
Speaker 2: And there's something interesting too, like the batsuit, Like you
could see the threads where he had woven it together.
It looks like leather and and cloth. It does not
look like any of the modern batsuits that we've seen
from Keaton on. This is as handmade a batsuit as
we've seen since the sixty six Batman without him West.
Speaker 3: I loved how the bat emblem on his chest popped
out and became a knife for a batter ring.
Speaker 2: And yeah, it was really cool. Yeah, I really liked
the batsuit. What do you think batsuitise number one?
Speaker 3: This is the best one.
Speaker 2: This is the best batsuit you've seen. I agree, Yeah,
I mean, it kept catching my eye. Was not and
it wasn't like I was thinking. It wasn't like it
was a distraction. It was just like, this is perfect.
This is so realistic.
Speaker 3: Hey, can I say one thing too? He took all
kinds of bullets to the chest that he was protected from.
But at the very end a guy put a shotgun
to his face.
Speaker 2: And then answered the question, right.
Speaker 3: Dumb and dumb question. What if he's shut in the face.
Speaker 2: Yeah, what if he shot me in the face.
Speaker 3: And he was clearly in danger, he was going to
get he was going to die.
Speaker 2: That was a die, ye, yeah, and then he gets saved. Yep. Okay,
So movies movie to movie to movie.
Speaker 3: Okay, here's how I rank them right this second. I
hope I'm not overreacting. The Batman number one, Oh wow,
The Dark Knight number two, Batman eighty nine, number.
Speaker 2: Three, Wow Wow.
Speaker 3: It was fantastic.
Speaker 2: It blew my doors off, it did. I mean, here's
the thing we knew walking into this that Rotten Tomatoes
had said, this is a near perfect movie. We have
built this up in our minds because we've been doing
this research and we've been fascinated with the developments that
we've seen, and this movie it delivered.
Speaker 3: It delivered. Here's what I think. I think you take
all the great parts of The Dark Knight, and they
were amazing, right, and you trim all the stuff, all
the story building, and all the Alfred stuff and all
the extra and you cut all that crap out and
it's just full throttle story. I think this takes place
in one week. Yeah, and it's just straight action, straight involvement,
straight detective straight, it's all Batman. There's very little Bruce Wayne,
so it doesn't really slow down that much, right, and
so it's just like you love chocolate cake. Here it is,
you know, it's just full on, all Batman, all the
best stuff, the Dark Knight for three hours.
Speaker 2: Yeah, what do you think?
Speaker 3: I'm sorry, I'm still no, no.
Speaker 2: No, no, I totally you're messing with my messing with
my thoughts here. I am not ready to take The
Dark Night out of the number one position. And it
comes down to simply Heath Ledger's performance that I'm not
ready to move it out of that position yet. The
story on this one, it's better than the other two. Wow,
it's a store. The story for the Batman is that
detective story that. I mean. They kept me on the
edge of my seat for three solid hours. I didn't
want it to be over. I didn't want to get
on with it. I mean a lot of people talk
about this being too long. I disagree. This kept me
engaged for three hours, solid piece of work. So storyline wise,
I would put it at number one, but without heath
led you there, I don't know. I just can't. I
can't let The Dark Knight slip from the number one
spot yet. Let me watch this one as many times
as I've seen The Dark Knight, and maybe it will.
But for right now, Dark Knight for me still holds
the number one spot. This is definitely a very close
number two, and Batman eighty nine is at number three
for me.
Speaker 3: Okay, just a couple of odds and ends. Would you
allow a child under thirteen to see this movie?
Speaker 2: It depends on the kid. I would let Caleb watch
this movie. I would not let Avery watch this movie.
I would let my twelve year old, you know, guy
who likes to pretend to stab people. I'd let him
go watch this. But not my little girl. Although she's
pretty good about scary movies too, I don't know he
might be scared by this one. Honestly, it's not one
that you should take little kids too.
Speaker 3: It's on the edge. Yeah, it's a push in the
envelope for the.
Speaker 2: R it is. It is is if you took the
movie seven and made it a PG thirteen rating, so
you got to take out some of the super graphic,
explicit stuff. There's an F bomb in there.
Speaker 3: And there there's one f bomb.
Speaker 2: Yeah, there's one fbom in the movie, as you typically
get with a PG thirteen movie, and the initial attack
and resulting injury. It's graphic, and so that one's a
little rough. That's solid rough. I wouldn't take a under
twelve year old to see this movie. Okay.
Speaker 3: My other question to you is when do you go pee?
Speaker 2: I didn't go pee, and there is not a spot
as far as I could tell.
Speaker 3: The only spot that I could say is when Batman
and Catwoman are kind of romance in it on top
of the building. But that's an important part of the movie.
Speaker 2: Yeah, but.
Speaker 3: That's when I would go pee.
Speaker 2: Yeah, I mean I would say, yeah, wait until after
the flood and then you can go pee.
Speaker 3: You might as well stick around. And there is a
post credit.
Speaker 2: Scene, uh sort of.
Speaker 3: Yeah, it's not a very good one.
Speaker 2: No, although I want to go back and see what
it was.
Speaker 3: I want to be able to pause it and find
out what exactly it says.
Speaker 2: Yeah. Oh, and there's another thing. Is this a movie
that is as good streaming as it is in the theater?
Speaker 3: Absolutely not. You got to see this in theater.
Speaker 2: Absolutely have to see it in the theater. Go if
you can watch it in imax, which is what we did.
Did watch it in imax. If you can't do that,
go watch it in the regular theater. But please don't
sit in your living room and push pause and go
get popped while this movie's playing. Sit down and sew
this movie and like the movies you used to watch
when you were a teenager.
Speaker 3: Yeah, absolutely, highest recommend for me.
Speaker 2: Yeah, for sure, for sure, guys, it has been great
to go on this journey with you. Don't forget to
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I'm really glad I got to see this with you.
Speaker 3: Awesome night, awesome night, Thanks Mary. And for now here
is something in the way now that's bad.