Speaker 1: Hello, ladies and gentlemen, Welcome back to The Daredevil Born
Again Review series Episode five and six. This week we
got a double header. I am the wee Charles Dickens
character tressed man, I'm joined by Hey.
Speaker 2: I'm Dylan less that I need a loan. Taylor Field
need alone.
Speaker 1: Yeah, this is gonna be an interesting episode. No Kirkland today,
He's hopefully gonna be on next week.
Speaker 3: He's between Cherryville. I never heard of Cherryville. I think
this is a lie is.
Speaker 2: A great place. I've been there lots of times.
Speaker 3: And I don't believe you.
Speaker 1: I've never heard of it. But I'm the worst person
to ask, because there's still roads in Colonna I haven't
heard of. I am the worst with I.
Speaker 3: Don't you should know like towns that are close to
our city, Yeah, I don't.
Speaker 1: In West Colonna, I don't particular like the Speaker brand. Yeah,
but the town not really. That doesn't sound too familiar.
Speaker 2: It's lake country.
Speaker 1: No, I'm bad like social studies, geography, that is the worst.
I need Landmark. When I was like, oh, it's this world, Mike,
Is that by a movie theater?
Speaker 2: You know? North south east West?
Speaker 1: Oh? No, nor south East West, I don't think I
do you know that?
Speaker 3: We're in southern Canada, right, Yeah?
Speaker 1: I found that out because of our meme. That's the
only reason I knew that though. But yeah, so even
when I started to work, I do you know that?
Which is great because Emily doesn't. She's a tough time
doing that. But like myself, like when I started working
TI your twelf and I had to ship things to places,
I was like, oh dear, I had to bust out
a map for a while because I didn't want to
screw up putting wrong bins and something like that, like
paper maps. Yeah, like all that goes to East Scutiney.
I'm like, I don't know where Scutiney is.
Speaker 3: Man's not like in the podcast whom we used put
don't say, like on like a piece of paper written
on the wall.
Speaker 1: So I had a little I had papers and binders
with me to make sure I didn't screw up. Luckily
I didn't stay in that job for too long. But uh,
details is in the same way, so that's good. So
there's just some things that just people aren't good at,
And that's one of the few things I'm good at
or not good at. But one of the things I
am good at usually this podcast hosting. But maybe I'm
screming up now, but I agree, I'm good at watching
Daredevil Wednesday every six pm ps T. And that's we're
gonna talk about today. Yeah, Kirkland should be back next week.
Speaker 3: Funny watching on Wednesday.
Speaker 1: But I you know, I like to I still rewatch it,
you know, yeah, especially episode five. But no, because Kirkland
was like, originally they supposed to be much later, so
it's like asking him because we have a lot of news.
It's like, oh, we could record a couple topics because
the's supposed to be some big stuff happening this week,
so we kind of get ahead of it. But that
didn't happen, as he just responded, So we'll get U
saws next week. We're gonna talk about nonsports of course.
For we're gonna just combine the episodes. I think that's
a safe thing to do with episode five. Maybe I'm
wrong here, but I think one episode more than another
has stuff to talk about. So if you haven't seen
them both, we're just gonna give you our broad thoughts
and generalizations and then we'll you know, take our break
and then we'll get into spoilers. So, mister Field, how
did you feel about this batch episodes? Also, we gotta
double last time when it premiered one and two, and
we got another double here Where are you? Obviously last
week lots of hype with Frank being back and we're
sending some stuff up. But uh, some different routes maybe
we took with these episodes.
Speaker 2: Yeah, one is clearly just a filler if i'd ever
seen one, uh, and the other one was definitely moving
the story along. Is it bad that we got a filler?
Speaker 1: No, not at all.
Speaker 2: I had some fun with them. I think they it
was kind of weird, I guess, because I feel like
they took out of everything in the MCU. They took
something that I felt like is kind of like, I
don't know if lighthearted is the right word, but it
kind of like an innocent humor, kind of like a
little bit more like an adolescent kind of a like
approached like and they just were kind of like taking
that kind of humor and putting into a show that's like, Yo,
I'm gonna fucking kill you, like just really you know,
dark staircase scenes and stuff like that. So you caught
me off guard where the two kind of met in
the middle. But I appreciate it because I think that
you have you're showing where you where your flex ability
is in the MCU, and how they can kind of
bridge the gap between different things so far, where we're
used to the MCU being one way, and then you
have Deadpool and Wolverine and you have Daredevil and you
have this kind of darker tone that's being implemented for
the first time into into the MCU. So it's cool
to see the expanding world kind of connect. So I
like that, and I think there was still a lot
of fun in that episode. The next episode was just yeah,
like I said, great moving the plot forward and some
other things too that I really enjoyed seeing. Yeah, just
just some fun things. But I guess I maybe have
like a couple questions, Well maybe not. Maybe it's not
really a question, is I guess, Yeah, it's just to see.
I guess I'll have to just wait and see where
it's going to go. Because I feel like they were
highlighting some things and I thought, Okay, were they doing
this because they're gonna be It's this building up towards
something I don't know, but Ultimately, I just think that, Okay,
we've really kind of picked up the pace a little bit,
and now we've got I can never remember how many
ten episodes total, right or not? Nine? Okay, down to
the three.
Speaker 3: Different things, you know, some some just can't remember episode
that's right counts, that's right.
Speaker 2: So the final hat trick is upon us, and I'm
I'm looking forward to where we go with it because
the episode six definitely it got juicy, i'd say, and
I really like the ending. It was a pretty big cliffhanger.
Speaker 1: Mm hmmm, Dylan, are you juicing for the hat trick?
Speaker 3: I'm juicing for the hat trick? How am I feeling
on the two trick? The duo we got this week?
I think we got a two for one pack of
duds this week. I was very low on both of
these episodes, particularly episode five, I think is just you know,
it just felt like it didn't even reach like PG
levels of you know, I don't need like a hyper violence,
I guess, but this just felt like so by the numbers,
so basic, so uninteresting, and so like sterile that I
just what a waste of time, Like you know, Taylor's like,
I'll take a filler upsode. I don't I don't want to.
I don't want a filler episode of this what is
what it is now. There's a couple of interesting things
that happened in there, but for the most part, like
god damn, I wish that was cut down to like
a five minute sequence in another episode or something. I
didn't need a full episode of that episode six. There's
so much going on, so it's hard to say the
whole episode of dud. Maybe I'm being a bit hyperbolic there.
There are some things that worked for me, some things
I'm curious to talk to you guys about, but I
think I think what I'm realizing is okay, the Fisk
Vanessa stuff. I'm enjoying that dynamic, but otherwise I'm really
not liking Fisk in this show. And I think it's
like that one element has been raising it up, but
we didn't really We got a little bit of that
in this one, but it's more so just his other
all his other things that he's got going on, and
it's just not working for me. It's not working for
me like he like he once did. And I think
I've I've finally come to that realization as we're crossing
the halfway mark of this of this series here, so yeah,
and then even the other stuff that like Matt's doing
in that episode, it's fine, but everything just felt very
kind of predictable and uninteresting in these episodes. So I
don't know, I can see why they bundled them together
and maybe just give each one of them a little
bit more sauce when you go when that's all you're
getting for the week. But even with the combination, it
still felt like a definitely the worst week we've had
so far of this show. But I'm hopeful for where
it goes. I think we are still gonna have that
juicy hat trick to Taylor's point there. But yeah, this
is the first time that I'm a little bit lower
on the show, I think than I have been.
Speaker 1: Yeah, it's funny that Kirkland's not here because I was
gonna refer to him and I wanted to get his
kind of gauge here. And people are gonna jump to
conclusions when I say this, but just just walk on
me for a little bit here. He said that last
week he's like he could see himself failing the show,
and I didn't really understand that because I thought, you know,
from what we've got, like we've done this, you know,
soon to be August, you know, GV Day ten years.
It's like we've gotten a lot of stuff. And I
just feel like, eah, I just don't think this isn't
fail territory. I'll still say for myself it is not.
But these two episodes made me more like, oh, I
could see someone failing this show now, you know, like
I think it's interesting they I saw somewhere tonight that
the writers I'm not sure who was a direct or, somebody.
I was just glanced by it that said episode five
was the only episode that was untouched from the original
show before they overhauled it. So I was like, well,
thank god they overhauled whatever they did because if that
was and again it's it's weird because it's not like
even episode five. I couldn't even say it's bad, right,
like if it's just by itself, just like a if
someone made like a fun little Matt Murdock short film,
like oh yeah, this is this is kind of fun.
It's just the placement of it. And now I know
exactly why they did that double episode. Like Dylan said,
it's like there I guarantee you they looked at these
and they just thought, Man, if we put this out
right now, we're gonna get eight and alive. Not because
the bad sense of like it's bad, it's not anything
like that. It's just it doesn't progress the story at all.
And if you're gonna do a bottle episode, you got
to do two things. Either, you have to have a
concept that's just so cool, so like lots of Like
one of my favorite ones, like in a bottle episode
is like it's a friend's episode where it's New Year's
even they're just stuck in the whole like the apartment together, right,
and lots of hygiens happens, Like, oh, nothing progresses, but
it's just a fun episode where they're stuck in one
room and they're having a good time. It's like they're
waiting to see the lottery numbers drop and someone loses
the number. All this stuff happens. Or even like if
it's something where it's breaking bad where everyone talks about
the fly episode the Fly, not much actually progresses in
the show plot wise, but it informs those characters past
president and future going forward. Directed by the great Ryan Johnson,
by the way, and it's like many deep character stuff.
I don't think anything was super cool here. So even
if this was like we didn't progress, if it was
like oh man, we got like our Hallway fight, this
is like something like that where it's like, oh, this
episode was just so cool, Like it was directed by
like I don't know if the guy Jad said house
he let's say it came in here like I just
want to make a badass Daredel episode and there's no plause,
just actually, oh cool. But it wasn't that, And I
don't think it got Matt to any more of a
place like sure he you know, mindsports beat up some guys,
but it's like he already was snapping last week. We
saw him on a roof training, so it's not like
a oh man, like maybe they should have edited him
out training last week and this would have felt like
a bigger Wow, we're getting them doing some stuff. So
that was disappointing. And episode six I think has some
great moments, but it's a messy, messy, I think, sloppy
type of episode. I think we're getting into some things
really too fast. There's just some editing of scenes, even
some dialogue, whether it's writing and just even some bad
adr this sticking out to me. There's some moments where
I thought, oh, yeah, that's that's very well done. But yeah,
I'm really disappointed because I thought last week, because that
was my favorite episode, I'm like, Okay, i feel like
I'm fully in. I've not fully been in the show yet,
but last week, okay, I'm locked in. And now I
feel like I'm just back to where I was two
weeks ago, where I'm like, I think we're gonna get
mixed bags here and there. I'm excited for the hat trick.
I don't think it's again reached a level that's so
bad where it's like secret Invasion. We're like, oh man,
this is gonna we're just gonna meme on this. No,
it's not that. It's just I'm really hoping season two,
if they don't do some overhaul, that it's much more concise,
because I would have taken thrown out this filler episodes
for more character stuff, especially with some of the elements
introduced in episode six. So yeah, there's some things, definitely
some highlights. I'll talk about the things I liked, but
not not the greatest. Like if I look at one
to six as a whole so far, it's a like
it's like far and away from the other dared Evil
show and awesome because I feel like Dylan's with me
because we review these tear you've seen these more recently.
Obviously you just like, we only have the first six,
But do you this is still like kind of leveling
up to the other dared level seasons for you or
you've just recently watched it, do you feel like there's
a clear distinction between like those first three and this
because to me, I feel like it's like so far apart.
Even though I wouldn't say the show is like bad
or failing or anything.
Speaker 2: I think, uh, I think there's very different and like
a part. I think one of the weak points maybe well,
I don't know if weak wind is the right word.
I think when you look at the Netflix Netflix Daredevil show,
it was definitely trying to do its own thing and
just be like, hey, this is our bubble. We're working
in this bubble. This feels like, Okay, we're still in
Matt's bubble a little bit, but we're also embracing the
overall like everything else so that exists out there and
the MCU and whatnot and so the world just feels
a lot bigger, and I feel like, Okay, we're just
getting like little one offs here and there, and you're
getting this story at the same time. But it's it's
it's not the same concise, little little bubble story that
we were getting before in the Netflix version. Right, this
feels different, the characters feel different.
Speaker 1: All right, anything else on spoilers?
Speaker 3: Cool? Quick questions, Travis, because you said this was one
of those episodes that was kind of from the original show.
I forget was that original thing supposed to be not mature,
like not R rated.
Speaker 1: No way it was, Yeah, because they hear that before,
like oh yeah, it's gonna be darker than Netflix or
stuff like that. So we got a lot of f
bombs and that that episode would have fair.
Speaker 3: Yeah, I just feel like the violence was very muted,
like when compared to what it should have been, perhaps.
Speaker 1: Except for that lag injury, and'd say that leg injury
was uh yeah, but no, you could easily cut stuff
around in that not like you take out the language
and not have to even make this mature at all.
That episode, you know, even episode six to degree, like
I don't know, like like like we'll get there but
even muse I don't think they're making them so disgusting
where it's not like, oh yeah you can no, I'm
showing my kids this. But I don't think it's our
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let's just kind of cover this basis. Usually we don't
go over we talk all over, but this really it
is just Matt and there's no other care Like, there's
no fists, there's no Vanessa and no girlfriend those, no
music's shirtly Matt's going to the bank trying to get
a loan bump in the Kamala Khan's dad and there's
a heist and Matt can't stop himself from helping, which,
you know, Okay, that's great. It's cool to see him
being somewhat of a vigilante. But again, it for me
didn't feel like a big revelation because last week he
was starting to dust off the old batons, right, so
it was not a big surprise. But yeah, good old
bank heist episode on Saint Patti's Day we got.
Speaker 3: Yeah, the theme being felt a kind of odd to me,
Like they really felt like shoehorned in and it seems
like an odd one to do, but they kind of
went for it, and they you know, amplified it with
the city and all that. Yeah, I think the bank
robbery stuff, I guess. It just felt like I didn't
feel like Matt was really out foxing these people, being
that's like technically what was going on. It just felt
like they were such like like tier one criminals that
they were just like giving him so much leeway and
all these negotiations and letting him talk and letting him
walk around and then like taking him to the bathroom
and I don't know, all this stuff. They just felt
like kind of unrealistic for like Ange to me, Yeah, I.
Speaker 1: Said, I'm like, if you're a bank or you let
someone with the bathroom, I'm just saying like, no.
Speaker 3: I just piss on the floor.
Speaker 1: I don't care.
Speaker 3: Yeah. Yeah, it makes me like more intimidating for the
other people in the room stairs the bathroom.
Speaker 1: Was that fucking mount done over here? Like my god,
like like the yeah downstairs everything, it's like, how long
does it take to get to this washer?
Speaker 3: Man?
Speaker 1: It's like secluded of course by itself, you know.
Speaker 3: I did like the at least the initial sequence when
he's really playing up the blind factor walking in there,
like doesn't know what's going on until hears like the
shotgun getting charged up, and that's when he like, okay,
I'll fall in line now. But he's like trying to
see how far he could get with it. But yeah,
I just felt like, oh my god, this sequence just
went on forever and nothing really interesting happened. Yeah, it's
not like we're getting deep character stuff, like we're getting
like I guess, between the lead criminal and like the
investigator the lady who has to kind of talk him down.
It feels like if those were characters in the show
and we're getting like a fun dialogue between them, but
it's like they're kind of just nothing characters. I was
not really a fan of either their performances either, So this,
this whole sequence just dragged for me.
Speaker 1: I was with you funny enough, Thank you. Chris Buggy
sent this to me before I cast did it confirmed
it because I was like, this looks familiar. Everyone go
watch Inside Man. That is a great heist movie. They
used the same bank as they did in this movie
as a Denzel washing Clive Owe one, so it's very cool.
Wound of foe was in there some other people, but
that's what they were Like, lots of heist movies do that,
but I felt like they were trying to invoke that.
And every time they did the whole cop versus the
lead bank robber, I was like, I wish this was gone.
I don't need any of this. It wasn't clever, wasn't
well written. Again, I don't think it was like all
the worst thing ever. It just I was on joined
the back and forth much so that was a lot,
and like you could have talked about like they'm not
giving him too much, like problems. The only thing I
didn't like is I felt like Matt took it was
like when he the guy gets away, right, he dresses
up at cop and he's leaving down an alley way
and stuff. I felt like I gave Matt Wade too
much hassle then he should like. I felt that they
just played up like, hey, this guy is a regular
criminal bankis guy's not like ex military train and like,
even though it only lasts but a minute, the fact
that Matt sometimes is like getting pushed around by him,
didn't really like it's just one guy. Like we've seen
Matt take on dozens of hand ninjins at the same time,
and we got the Saint Patrick guy that had an
issue ended cool with the massive drop kick. That's great
and all, but yeah, I just ten minutes in, when
we didn't see anybody else and we haven't moved away
from the bank, he went, oh no, and especially because
it was a double went oh no, it's gonna be
the whole episode, And like, yeah, okay, fine, we're seeing
Kamala Kun's dad and he's talking about how she's a hero.
I guess I completely forgot in Miss Marvel. I guess
she did she reveal her identity? Does the world know
she's Miss Marvel?
Speaker 2: Well, the family knows.
Speaker 1: I don't know. He's like showing it. You know, it's
a Funkal pop and missake.
Speaker 2: She's saying he wasn't. He never said that Kamala was
Miss Marvel. He's saying the old Miss marvels my superfavorite
superheers the Funkel pop for Miss Marble. And then he
was talking about, oh, you have to come meet like
my daughter ar Kamala is in New Jersey or whatever.
Speaker 1: So yeah, okay, I took it that she was known,
but that's fine. They said she's in Los Angeles visiting
some friends there. Go send the young Avengers at school
and all.
Speaker 2: When they were when they were like introducing and whatnot,
he was like, oh, thank you for meeting mister Altrich.
For whatever reason, I was thinking Aldrich killing is gonna
be the guy like this is fucking crazy.
Speaker 1: Your turtle cooking, your little turtle show.
Speaker 2: I really thought it was gonna happen.
Speaker 1: Yeah, it's a dangerous name to throw around these parts.
But today, what did you think about the bank? He's
being used as a you know again getting mad back
in he tries to get alone, gets denyed, you know,
fun friendly conversation. He gets back in there because he
hears stuff going on. He plays up the whole blind thing.
We got a lock picking sequence, we get the bathroom sequence,
we get fighting the stair wall. I thought was fine
when they're trying to make sure the gun's not falling.
But how did you like this?
Speaker 2: Uh? Setting, I feel like Matt Murdoch is a character
that he he needs to be wearing the Daredevil suit
to increase all of his abilities by like at least
plus fifty. When he's not wearing the suit, you know,
he's getting he can't go really toe to toe in
an alleyway and that kind of stuff.
Speaker 3: Percent damage at night, Hey.
Speaker 2: Taylor, that's exactly it.
Speaker 3: Yeah, we'll check out ourselves.
Speaker 2: So yeah, he that fight scene where he took out
the one Irish dude, and yeah, he just you know,
it's when it happens so quick and your reactions like
three seconds delayed. He jumps up and just like lands
on the guy's leg and bends it backwards like fuck.
But uh yeah, everything else was We didn't really need
a full forty minutes in here dealing with this and
this is again what I was saying, where you get
like Kamala, Miss Marvel, that kind of like humor, very
adolescent kind of approach to the humor being brought into
like the dark, grittier side of Marble like Daredevil and
the swearing and the killing and all that kind of stuff.
And it was just an interesting kind of combination of
showing that these two worlds are connected and can be
crossing over at times. But I just I just I
felt it felt out of place because I felt like
he was just a slap to the face, like oh
oh Kamala, oh Miss Marvel, Oh comealass Marble. It's like
you only need to really say it the one time.
It just felt like he was just and there's a pop.
They were just like going again and again and again
and again with it.
Speaker 1: But you know, I have like a little YouTube at
on the side, like pop up, like you click to
start watching this mart We know you didn't watch this
show show you should click it. Hey again, everybody, if
you haven't watched it, go watched him. On's great, Like
I didn't love the show, but she's fantastic and you
get the Marvels there, but uh, and again they do share,
you know, New York, New Jersey, So I do get it,
but I agree with you. It's like once it's more
than enough, I feel, you know, like that's fine there.
So yeah, I'm trying to think there's anything I miss
from this.
Speaker 3: Yeah, I guess I would just wanted to say, like,
I was surprised to see that actor in there, because
the last time, remember I was talking about him, like
there was like sexual assault allegations against him, and I
was looking up that stuff and it's seems like nothing
really happened with that, Like there's no like newer articles
and like, so it's always a tricky thing to talk
about actors in that situation. It's like, if that stuff's true,
then like fuck the sky, why doesn't why wou doesn't
he put him in here? But if it's not true,
then like that really sucks for him. But it's always
hard to talk about these kind of things, right, But
you know, he was someone that we liked in that show,
and then we found on that info and we're like, okay,
well we don't really want to talk about it much anymore.
Speaker 1: So my hope is that Marvel vetted it and found
there was no validity because it was it was harassment,
not assault. Just to clarify, Okay, I thought it was
like maybe maybe there was some of that stuff because
I thought it was just like bad text and stuff
like that. But my hope is that it was looked
into and nothing came of it, because this is a
very easy episode you could have cut.
Speaker 3: It's not like, oh, and we've seen what they do
to other people. Yeah, yeah, it's like changed the whole slate.
Speaker 1: It'd be different if this literally got Matt tou kamalakan right,
like for some reason he hasked to go to Miss
Marvel for help, Like, okay, you gotta keep that, but this,
like you could have really cut this episode or like
you said, Dylan, you literally could have just beene a
montage and cut this down five minutes of you know,
a day. You know in Charlie Cox's Daredevil Life, you
do the montage with them boom, you cue the opening credit,
and then you go into episode six, like you could
have just done a quick abbreviate version of Oh, Matt,
he is vigilanting, he saved the day. Like even at
the end when he's like doing the like the cute
like he leaves like the jewel in the candy. It's like,
all right, like this guy's kind of a loof what
if you didn't find it? You know? But yeah, yeah,
but yeah, no, it really went to nowhere. There wasn't
much to it. I'm just trying to think there was anything.
Oh I used should pull my notes.
Speaker 3: Yeah, it's funny once again with like having the actor
in there and the next episode we get another like
character from another show. I feel like Daredevil as a
character has some of the highest like crossover rates of
all these things, right because he was in Spider Man,
he was in she Hulk, uh he you know, is
in He's in this. It has the connectivity of this
Marvel now, his connectivity with Hawkeye, connectivity with Echo. So yeah,
a lot of different projects that he's either appeared in
or like crossed over with now, which.
Speaker 1: Is if you can't Defenders, there's so many, you know,
I know.
Speaker 3: Yeah, And I feel like I'm forgetting one too. Is
there another one?
Speaker 1: Or I feel like there's something else we're for getting here.
Speaker 2: But you're gonna get that dinner scene because you're gonna
have this Marvel's family all there. And Matt Murdock like,
he's not one to turn away a meal. He's there
a Sheahawk's family. He's gonna Kamala's family.
Speaker 3: The way I took it is like that already happened,
like we just didn't get to see it.
Speaker 1: Yeah, and Kamal has some hot cousin that Matt's gonna
sleep with him. Bang age appropriate.
Speaker 3: I'mer just saying every time, maybe Captain Marvel shows up
for dinner and he's like.
Speaker 1: All right, please, you know, even though I'm still shipping
him in she Hawk, But all right, anything else?
Speaker 3: On episode five, what the diamond? Is there more to
this diamond? They're really talking it up like this like
an affinity stone. It looked like it had like multiple
colors in it. I was like, is this yeah, crushed
down to one one?
Speaker 1: Maybe it'll come back. But I the to me, I
thought it was gonna be something. But then when it
was just returned, I thought, oh, I guess it's not
actually like I thought. If it was out there in
the open, maybe it was like another white Tiger amulet
or something like that, where it's like, Okay, this has
some power, but it just went back to the bank.
Speaker 2: Now, I thought Matt was gonna keep it. Actually, they're like,
we don't know where it was. He's like, he didn't
get his fucking loan. Yeah, this is this is just now.
Speaker 1: This is just as well, all right. So then we
get into episode six and then what is strange because
it starts with Matt Prang, So it really feels like
they have this he's praying, and they have this little
montage of showing a few things he's done, beat up
those cops, the you know, same things around.
Speaker 2: Uh.
Speaker 1: They showed the bank heist, which I do appreciate because
they haven't. You know, I'm not a religious guy, but
Daredevil comes with religion, and I think we only got
in episode one where he was walking down the street
and he saw or he you know, he does see
stuff or whatever. He sends the church there, and it
felt like he couldn't go in there, like he felt
like he was, you know, he'd burst into flame. So
I like that. He even says to his lady like,
I'm trying to get re you know, affiliated retouched with
this because that is a big part of the character.
Don't know exactly what he's praying for, whether it's to
try and stay out of that or forgiveness for what
he did, Like, I feel like you can read that
in to multiple ways forgiveness for what he's going to
do later. I don't know, but I did like that.
The only thing about this situation at the beginning that
I did not like is I get that Vigilantes are
different than Iron Man, Right, so technically if Daredevil's in
this world now, I still can't like, Hey, superheroes were
really popping off since two thousand and eight. In this
MSU timeline, that's seventeen years. It's even more because they've
jumped five years ahead, so really it's like twenty three years. Right,
But if you don't want to count that, and you
know Cap, okay, they're the Avengers, they're fine. So Daredevil
debut's about twenty fifteen, so he's been around about seven
to ten years, along with Jones, Iron Fists and all
this stuff. I just find the pitch of They clearly
wanted Matt's girlfriend to start talking about vigilantes and superheroes,
so the idea that well, I'm gonna write a book,
It's like these people have been around for me a decade.
I just feel like it's not believable that someone that
you know what, now's the time to write a book
and it's gonna be successful. And I need to get
your guys' opinion on this. When she asks Matt to
sit down with the Punisher, it was very odd because
he said it. Like they started to joke around a
little bit, but they spoke about in a way where
it's just like people know, like Punisher's just actively free.
Like to me, Punisher is a guy that if anyone
knows he's out there, like he should be arrested. Like
this person writing a book would be like, oh you
know where Punisher is, Like he should be arrested. He's
a murderer. So, like it was very odd. I thought
she's saying as a joke, But then they started have
like a real conversation about like yeah, I don't know
if you'd want to do That's like, so do people
just know Frank, Like do they know Frank is in
that little area there, or do they know he's a
free man?
Speaker 3: I know the exact building that he's in.
Speaker 2: It comes down we don't know about I just I
just think that if anyone's gonna know where like a
person is gonna be their lawyer, I think their lawyer
might know something on the inside. I mean that's where
I would start. It's pretty good.
Speaker 1: Seven plus years ago though, now yeah, and.
Speaker 2: I mean if Rank has been missing that whole time,
I mean, it's just I think it's it's a It
was a worthy possibility for her to put it in
his court and he didn't dismiss it, so then she
probably ran with it, like oh he does know, Like Okay, Well.
Speaker 3: She's also talking so much about like all these people
hide behind their masks and whatnot, but like that's not
what punish her is. He's a different type of no.
Speaker 1: I that.
Speaker 2: Is, I have a mask, He's in a different realm.
Speaker 3: It felt really odd to me. I thought the whole
time when she was having that conversation that she was
going to build up to saying someone else like him.
She was going to say dead devil of course, and
like maybe other characters. I'm not sure who off the
top of my head, Yeah, sure, I did not expect
her to go to punisher though. That seemed odd and
I don't know, like her tone was like suspicious to me.
I don't know, like do you think there's something more
to this character, like an evil side to it that
I can't really see what the story for that would be,
but it just it did come across as a bit odd.
Speaker 1: I don't think so. I think it's just a poorly
written character. I could be wrong because she is tied
with Kingpin, so you could say me, there's something there.
Speaker 3: But yeah, that's so. I was wondering if, like all
these therapy sessions, like it doesn't seem like they've been
trying to push these crazy ideas on her and like
change her views or anything.
Speaker 1: But I feel like they just couldn't think of a
reason they wanted Matt to start feeling squirrely and her
to bring up Daredevil and all this stuff. She's like, oh,
you know Dared, well, you've worked with them and stuff.
It's just I just even thought, too, like what you
would know of Punisher, Like do you think you would
actively sit down and get interviewed for a book like that?
Just feels like I get seek you pitched Hairedelly pitch everything,
and I'm just saying it's the public right, like he's
just known as a mass murderer of criminals. But still,
just it was odd. It felt like a weird way
of just trying to you know, like, oh, he's out there.
So I didn't love that. And they hug and they
go away, and that's you know, fine and dandy, and
then we Matt's back to I had so many issues
with so many stuff in this episode, the muse stuff,
multiple stuff where the cop sits down with Matt and
he's like, yeah, you know, I don't want you to
hear this, but like, you know, there's a zerio killer around,
and uh, before we get any ideas, like he hasn't
shown that, Matt's like gripping with coming background on his
dare deevil, like he's set up for a year. So
I guess, I guess he just thinks that the second
there's a serial killer out there, Matt's gonna just suit
up like he does. But there's more built to that.
That wasn't the reason. There was other reasons, but it
felt like an all we pay scene. I did not
like how the cops and mayor Fisk know about Mews.
They're starting to look for him a man hunt both
uh White Tiger's niece and Matt find them like Mews
first night, like Matt watches a couple of YouTube videos.
Speaker 3: Then once again, like what the he like when you
found Punisher too. It's like that That's the thing that's
bothering me, is like I want to see why he's
so smart and good at what he does, but I
feel like the writing's not giving me very compelling reasons
to feel that way. It's just like, yeah, he just
kind of happened upon him within seemingly like fifteen minutes,
because like the Frameman we're getting out of the back
and forth is like, Okay, mws haz are on the
table starting to do the blood and JA and that's
when Matti goes out in the streets that start looking
for him. So I don't know, I guess New York
is a very small place, but no, he found it
way too quick.
Speaker 1: Yeah, And that's the thing where it's like, if it's
this easy to find Muse, why has Fist not sent
down his anti vigilante task force? You know, like you
send a bunch of dudes down. There were shotguns, that's it.
Mus is taken care of. So there's just some things
that were jumping to that. I'm just they're not the clearest.
I think it might be the run time of these
are forty whatever minutes, but there's still the end credits.
They're not as long as Netflix ones, and I think
that's what these episodes needs a little more time to cook,
and especially here even Fist because I know you guys
to talk about newscasts. I'm happy that they got to,
but even the putting together of the Vigilante task Force
felt so rushed. His speech like goofy, Yeah, it was
very goofy.
Speaker 3: They cheer at the end of yeah, we.
Speaker 1: Had one guy's story, and like, I guess I appreciate that. Okay,
he was a guy protecting your kids, So it's not
everybody on those task force might be complete like dirty,
but it's just it was strange. I swear the adry
they ate rd him saying anti Vigilante task Force like
that was not something he said in the scene, and
it was weird. When he walks up to everybody, they're
all in a parking lot and they, oh, why are
we here, He's like, I don't know if you've heard
there's a serial killer and then he does this whole
speech and then the it he's like, you know, your
captain's gonna tell you that there's a serial killer out there.
It's like you just said that, Like there's just multiple
setups in this episode for me were very clunky and uh,
just not working. The stuff with the girlfriend the task Force,
how Matt and I can't remember her name? Does theyone
know her name? Of the niece. I can't remember a
white tiger's niece.
Speaker 3: It's like, hey, ala ayala's laugh like that.
Speaker 1: How they just got there. I did appreciate that mus
made it out because I thought he was I really
were I didn't think he was gonna get killed, but
I was worried, You're just gonna get arrested and that
that was it for News because he was pretty passed
out there.
Speaker 3: Are you excited to see more of him? Like with
you out there? I?
Speaker 1: I like it's it's different for me because, like I've
read the Almos, the Muse does some cool stuff.
Speaker 3: I think this isn't the News that has like powers
right No, but like he's still.
Speaker 1: Like a serial killer artist guy. Like I think there's
still potential. I think the fact that he didn't get
caught and there's three more episodes, I think he is
the main bad guy right now, and Daredevil and Fisk
really won't square off till next year, So I'm still excited.
I like the layer. I liked the fight scene a lot.
I thought that was well done. There's some you know,
a little shody cgi here and there, but I liked
that fight scene a lot. I loved his layer with
the bodies that's very common accrid. I love the look.
And there was this great shot where he was on
his back and he woke up and then the camera
flipped with him when he flipped at the same time.
So I'm still I think there's potential. Do I trust
the show to hit a home run with it? Not really,
but I'm still interested in news right now.
Speaker 3: But you're not right now, Dylan sounds like a not
particularly because it kind of felt like we already got
the arc of him now obviously, then he's scurried away
at the end, so he's obviously still out there and stuff.
But like, I just don't know what else we're gonna
do with them at this point, So I don't know.
Maybe maybe it is interesting. I do think the concept
of him using blood of his victims then they turns
it into paint that he then is making these murals
of and they can't be washed off for reasons they
really tried to over explain to us, so that would
be a believable blot point plot point, but uh, I
don't know. I like, I guess maybe it's the fact
that he's a care that doesn't really speak, and I
feel like that's where some of the best opposition to
Matt becomes, because obviously he's so good with his mouth
and so like when they have these back and forth
between each other and in between, when they're kind of
resting between fighting and then they can have some intense conversation,
it just feels like Muse is a bit one note
at this point. So I don't know. I just don't
really know what else we're gonna get with him, And like,
considering how one sided that fight was, I don't think
we're building up to like a really cool fight between
them either. And obviously he could go get some tech
or something, but I don't know, maybe that will feel
like a bit too forced. Like I don't know, is
he really really over come Daredevil at this point?
Speaker 1: Yeah, I thought I didn't know if it was completely
one sided. I thought Matt definitely the upper hand and
he was ragged on a little bit, but I thought
he was put up a little bit of a fight.
The one thing I forgot that we tubble was last week.
Remember Muse did approach mass girlfriend for the therapy, so
that's the other card they still to play that. That's
where you could come back around. I don't know how
energy that could literally just end up being.
Speaker 3: Yeah, maybe that's why they have that interview stuff, because
it's like, oh, the irony of her looking for someone
with a mask to interview and she gets captured by
someone of the masks.
Speaker 1: You think I get interview, MWS, you think I can, which.
Speaker 3: Was all, well, you're kidnapping me. Do you mind if
I just ask you a couple quick questions?
Speaker 1: And that was weird for me too. I don't know what.
I guess it's. I'll give the show credit, I guess
for this. It's not out there publicly, but I thought
it was odd again, very rush where these two girls
just walk up like your muse, And I feel like,
I'm fine with if the episodes before we found out,
hey there's this underground artist that's really hot and hip
and cool, but like it's not out there that is
serial killer, right, because Fit's actively said, don't put that
out there. I want to keep it, you know, close
to the vest. We're gonna deal with this ourselves. So
that's fine to answer that. I just felt we weren't
at the point where people were like your muse man,
like I know the mirrors, but I didn't know that
people were like actively talking like, oh, there's this guy
named mus who dresses up like in a skin tight
weird suit and stuff. So that again also felt a
little strange for me to get there.
Speaker 3: So, yeah, something something that's not to me about this
episode is I feel like we're not seeing enough of
the opposite viewpoint of like the Fisc, the Fisk side
of things, because obviously he's got like the cops in
his bag now e really all we get is like
a couple BB interview things that are like five seconds long, right,
And that's how you see like the people who don't
believe in these kind of things, And we see like
these two people have this very very brief conversation with Mom.
It was not even a conversation, just like one quick thing, right,
And I don't know, it's like, that's not really the
purpose of Matt or Daredevil as a character. Obviously he's
opposed to Fisk and everything he's got going on, but
not in that like political sense. It's like a different realm,
a different battlefield, and so I don't know, maybe that's
maybe that's part of it too, is it's just like
it feels a little imbalanced, and that's why some of
these other things feel just too easy and convenient when
we're seeing just like I don't know, these dirty cop scenes,
but we're not really seeing like the opposite of that.
Speaker 1: Yeah, I wonder if they're saying, well, I guess it's
tough because I was gonna say they're saying some stuff,
but I feel like Punisher is on the way back,
So I don't know where they're gonna go that route.
But we've talked about a lot. Where where do you
want to start some of your thoughts or some of
the muse stuff, some of the girlfriend's stuff. We uh mean,
Dylan there.
Speaker 2: I mean, I don't have much else to add to
the girlfriend's stuff. It's just I think her petition to
get an interview Punisher, that's that's super zany and I
just I mean, I don't I don't know anything.
Speaker 1: After seven years, no one else has written a book
about vigilantes yet, like or fucking newspapers, like.
Speaker 3: Even back then. I remember in the Devil Show there's
like newspapers about like the Hulk and like the Avengers stuff,
like they were discussing it in the Netflix, Marvel stuff.
Speaker 1: You know.
Speaker 3: So I feel like it's been done, but you know
there's still people writing new books about old things still today.
Speaker 1: Yeah.
Speaker 2: I guess it's just at a different level because you
have all these big time heroes the Avengers to the
Kobe Accords, all that kind of stuff, and then you've
got so many street level people, regular citizens that are
coming forward that may not necessarily all have the same
powers or have any powers all together, but they're still
wearing a mask and coming out and doing something. We
got this scene of this guy fighting with the sword,
and I was like, is that uh Kit Kit Harrington?
Oh yeah, the Black Knight, like fighting at the sword
in the park, Like maybe it's Blade, Yeah, maybe it's
Blade the Day day Walker, but yeah, Ultimately, I just
think for her to go to the right to punish her,
I can't see Punisher doing an interview like that. I
thought I thought Matt was going to suggest like, oh
she halk I know her or something like that. Oh yeah,
I thought it would have been would have been cool,
but uh or Kamala.
Speaker 3: You know, miss Marvel, I can get you.
Speaker 2: Uh, but yeah, getting to everything with with Muse. I
think he's super cool, just seeing how just as I
want to cosplay as him because he's just I love
his costume. I love how he's freaky and the way
he's like he's carrying the body of his shoulder and
he's walking down like the train tunnels, and he's like
just the way he's looking around, he's not even saying anything,
and I like that You're just getting these creepy vibes
from him, and just how he's acting through his eyes
and this through his his motions and so lots of
eye acting. Yeah, So he's just uh, he's just he's
intense and and yeah, freaky and just when fuck those
two girls just like, hey, you're mused? Can we get
the photo? Not like a selfie? He's like, what the
fuck are you doing? I hope that. I know it's
just it's obviously exaggerated for TV, but I hope with
my kids I can raise them to not be someone
like that, where like, are you mused? Can we get
a photo?
Speaker 1: Like?
Speaker 2: God damn? He turns and he's got blood, Yeah, blood
drooping from his eyes and some shit, you know, people
are going missing, and well.
Speaker 3: I didn't know that was what he looked like until
he turned around.
Speaker 1: How they know it was him though, I guess because
I saw the mural and they thought that must be mused.
Speaker 2: I guess, yeah, just so many red flags, so many
red flags. But anyways, I digress. I think that as
a character, I'm glad that he's he's still around because
he was going toe to toe with Daredevil. I wasn't
expecting him to actually have any fighting capabilities, so I
really like seeing that he was actually able to hold
his own and fight. I thought that was kind of
fun and yeah, just very alarming when I didn't think
he was gonna any get any needles into White Tiger's nieces,
like like into her, and he just planted like two
in there and started doing the blood harvest. And then
I laughed at this scene. I thought it was cool
because as he's like stalking slowly and moving out towards
like the tunnel and he's like looking out. This shot
is so cool when he's just like leaning out of
the tunnel and you see the train and the red
lights in the train are reflecting in his eyes. It's like, man,
this looks so fucking cool. What a shot this is.
But then I was laughing because you see Daredevil get
out running, just fucking gone.
Speaker 1: Cegi, Daredevil will come out of Yeah, yeah I had
I had that in my notes. I love that shot
of the train and muse his eyes. That was really good.
But yeah, that Matt running of like he's moving and
then like he comes with a super I punch. It's
just like a you know, a little little plastic looking
mad I.
Speaker 2: Don't know how I was the baton fly. I don't
know how. I mused did not ship himself because this
is the last thing he would have expected. Dared Nevil's
were missing for a year. He probably know he knows
who Daredevil is. And then all of a sudden, Daredevil
just like boom. This is like the Dark Knight returning
and Dark Knight rises and the cops are like, holy shit,
you're in for a treat to night Son or whatever
that cop says.
Speaker 1: Like Daredevil, He's like, yeah, man, you know, like again,
I liked that build up. I like you. He just said,
fuck it, And I love the symbology. The symbology. No,
that's not what I'm looking for is that a word is?
Speaker 3: Now let's look similar similar.
Speaker 1: Yeah, find some words there. Uh, the symbolism of at
the beginning of this episode he was playing with his
little Devil's horn thing, right, and then in this he
said he could and then when he says fuck it,
he throws down the devil horn and it hits like
the paper of Foggy's funeral, you know, like a kind
of a just a.
Speaker 2: Fuck you Foggy, not that, but.
Speaker 1: It's once again he's going against his friend's wish in
a sense, right, because Foggy never wanted Matt to be dared.
We'd always try to talk him out of it. But
it's that thing of Foggy's gone and if I don't
do this, someone else could die. So, you know, with
him just saying fuck again, lots of fucks in these
last two episodes. But uh, I did like that, and
uh yeah, I could have use like a bit more
of the bill up with him actually getting there. But again,
I like the cinematography of the fight with me Is.
I enjoyed that and I thought that was a good
the last ten minutes I got no notes. For the
most part, I really enjoyed the fight there and I'm
curious to see what happens now with Matt or are
we gonna get another episode where he's kind of not
because we got him in the suit, But what did
that take? So we took six episodes to get him
back in the suit, right, So I wonder like right
away is he back on the streets fighting people? This
task Force is gonna be abound because what we got
seven eight nine? So I feel like one of those episodes, Yeah,
one of those episodes. I don't think you take down
the task Force. It's obviously he just got assembled, and
like you guys talked about newscast, I think that's gonna
be like a reoccurring type of villain going forward, and
you'll get people to take him down. So maybe that's
like a somewhat threat later on in an episode. But
I'm just trying to think, like what immediately Matt does now,
Like when he goes home, is he you know? Or
like I said, does he go home? He just dropped
this Niss off and he's just on the streets looking
for more crime, looking to beat people up.
Speaker 3: I mean, he still has to capture Muse, I guess
because he let him go. So that's one right off
the bat, and.
Speaker 1: He's got his layer, so where his music going? And
that's why I'm wondering if mus in defeat, whether he's
embarrassed scared like Terras he just saw Daredubel. I wonder
if that's how we get him back to the girlfriend.
His muse is feeling shaken by Daredubl, so he just
needs someone to talk to, someone to reach out to,
and he goes that person and then don't know how
you get Matt in there. He did, like listen to
his heartbeat. He did, I'm sure probably smell him, so
I'm not sure if that's something we're Matt good.
Speaker 3: I feel like the overwhelming smell of blood probably that's true,
filled his nostril.
Speaker 1: Probably a lot of blood going on there. So but
I feel like that's how we get back to Matt
v muse with the with the girlfriend.
Speaker 3: So mm hmmm, yeah, I can see that. I guess
other fisk things are the only of the things that
go on this upsode got.
Speaker 1: Some fist stuff. Well, let's let's take our last break
and then we'll talk about the Fisker. So we'll be
right back and we're back. So mister fisk, Yeah, he
had some meetings, we got to see some characters, and
we saw his true intentions, and then a bad ending
for well, not really bad, I've just been bad astuff.
He was doing bad stuff at the end of this episode,
so I'm trying to say that's true.
Speaker 3: Yeah, So we got the sequence here where he has
to go to a party full of rich people and
kind of kind of schmoos them a bit, but they
ended up kind of just smoothing him, right, And so
I feel like it's the little on the nose what
they're trying to do there with the commentary of it,
and we see Jack of that guy's name right from
from Hawkeye the Swordsman.
Speaker 1: Yeah, he was Dane Eleanor there. Yeah.
Speaker 3: Yeah, So I was like, would Fisk not have known
who that guy was? Like that he would that he
was married to Eleanor.
Speaker 1: Well, yeah, but I don't think there's he's just trying
to get money from him, right, So I don't think
that would It.
Speaker 3: Just seemed like he didn't know who he was.
Speaker 1: I can agree there that they didn't play it up
like they have a history, which they probably should have,
But I don't.
Speaker 3: Know, like some you know something because she's behind bars
right now, right.
Speaker 1: She's behind bars, And I can't remember if they were
married or just a couple, but if they're married, I
feel like that changed the dynamic because money might be
tied up in that.
Speaker 3: So yeah, but I don't know, it's another kind of
a fun little connective point here between I guess some
some different series. But yeah, the sequence as a whole,
I didn't feel like there's a whole lot to glean
from it. I feel like I'm maybe I'm maybe some
of the like Trump comparisons once again. I feel like
I'm in Clay mode now officially, where Clay is recently
talked about. Yeah, it's kind of sick of all these
movies and TV shows constantly just like being you know,
one to ones for Trump, And I feel like maybe
I'm at that point with Fisk now too, especially with
the sequence and how relevant that is, like in the
last even month or two here, just in terms of
how money can kind of just buy your way into
the power and then how it all kind of unfurls
from there. So I don't know, sequence was fine. I
feel like we're never gonna see these characters again, so
it's not like we're introducing new people. It's just something
to keep in mind in the background. I don't really
know what Fisk is gonna do about it either. I
feel like we're not really gonna pull on this thread anymore.
Speaker 1: I think to me, this was the last note of
because last week we started to see him. No, I
think it was last week, right the week before, when
they were at that situation, the wherever he wants to
tear down the district and rebuild. It was that last
week the week before when he's like, I want to
do this, and his personally like, well, you gotta do this,
this and this and this. I can't remember that.
Speaker 3: Yeah two, yeah, yeah.
Speaker 1: So I think this episode was to show that this
was his last dist effort, like I'm gonna try and
do it the right way, right, I'm going all these
people asking for money, trying to fundraise. You got the
Swordsman saying, oh, well, it's not a promise, it's a warning.
It's pretty much just saying like, don't do this, you're
gonna have issues. You had that blond lady who pretty
much just said like you'll probably be here for a
couple more years and then you'll go away, and you
know you can go back to your life, like just
kind of saying like you you're not one of us,
and you know you can have the power, you can
have the power position, but it doesn't mean you actually
have the power. So I think this was just the
last push to get him into Okay, now he's gonna
completely be doing crime mob stuff again, which to me,
they kind of we wondered this. I feel like all
way till the show is done, I feel like they
kind of revealed that Fisk was always trying to do
this as crime stuff. I don't know if you fell
back into it, but she kind of alluded that where
she's like, I know why you want to tear down
that building and there whatever that area, and it's like
just all for personal gain for what you used to do.
So again, maybe it's just by chance he wanted to
do something and it just lined up that way, but
it was almost insinuating in that. Okay, we got our
answer that Fisk was maybe never really really gonna try
to be clean, and if he did, he failed tremendously.
We kind of saw him in Vanessa bombing a little bit,
like I feel like this one of the first episodes
we didn't get much like a heat between them in
a bad way. So I think that could be good
for them. They were sitting on the bed, so I thought, oh,
something's gonna happen here. It didn't. But weird, I get
what they're doing, and I've seen comic fans excited for it.
Weird plot thread that like because he's becoming more like Kingpin,
He's like getting heavier. Not needed for me. It's like
I'm fine offensive in all feels like skinnier and lesway,
and he's still like evil Kingpin, Like I don't need
Kingpin to be like oh whenever he's bad, he's put
no weight. It's like I don't know. It's like, oh
my suits are ripping. And even says that Adam like,
oh I've gained this amount of weight in the last
three weeks. It's just like what like okay, cool, Like
it's it's a weird kind of thing. So yeah, that's
what I thought they were doing with it was just
a show. Okay, he's officially no longer and he made
that deal that bit not deal, but he told the
guy to pay him two million insteat of one point
eight or sorry, two point eight million instead of one
point eight million. That criminal showed up to his office
and he's trying doing some dealing and he's like kind
of getting some chuckles out of it. So I guess
that's what they are doing, is they're just showing that
he's I think, officially done. And then he did the
task force thing right where they lay out this whole
plan and he just like laughs at them all. He
laughs the cop, he laughs at his administration, everything like that,
and then he's gonna oversee these people. They're all bad apples,
as the cop says, and yeah, they're now the officially
the anti Vigilante task Force. And we covered it earlier.
I didn't like the speech and I thought that was
kind of not done the grace. Even we had that
dirty cop You're like, oh, why are we all here?
I even question like why is he questioning it? Like
no body cam? I feel like, what we know this character,
he would love this opportunity, like, oh, I can be
a police officer, not be like surveyed all like he
was gonna fucking kill a lawyer, an innocent blind lawyer.
Like so I was even confused why he was confused
that Fisk wanted to talk to him, you know, it's
like this to me is like, I get a jail
free card for him. But I don't know. Do you
have any thoughts on Also, we got one of their
scen but any thoughts on Fisk and Vanessa, the business stuff,
the anti task Force, et cetera.
Speaker 2: I felt like Fisk and Vanessa were coming closer together,
which happy to see. That felt like they were. She
was kind of providing him a little bit of insight
into the political side of things, and as he was admitting,
this is a whole new ball game for him. He's
used to other things. But I liked how he worded it.
You know, you're dealing with someone, you figure out what
they want most and either withhold it or you provide
it to them and they'll do anything for it. I
like that how he worded that. That's some of that
that Fisk that I like in the character, which.
Speaker 1: Is funny and gotten a lot. Yeah, but which is
funny because what is he doing to Adam. He's withholding
him right now, right like he's he what he described
he has to do to the the politicians. He's doing
that to Vanessa. She doesn't know it, but he's withholding
Adam in a cage somewhere for her not to talk
to or see or make love to whatever she wants
to do with them.
Speaker 3: You know, do you think she still wants to do
anything with him though? I thought she's kind of like
over it.
Speaker 1: I don't think so. But I also don't think she
wants fist to be holding them out like an animal.
You know, that might be especially what's going on now,
it's getting real.
Speaker 3: You know, she still thinks about those soft hands.
Speaker 1: I thought he was gonna blop him off this episode.
I actually thought that was gonna happen when he walked
down the axe. I thought that was his goal and
he's gonna like present them, but no, h.
Speaker 2: Yeah, so like his plan setting up the task force.
Speaker 1: I I like that.
Speaker 2: I think that's that's cool. I mean, we're coming full
circle bringing some of the cops in that were kind
of crupped, and it makes sense because they are the
ones that were responsible.
Speaker 3: For why Tiger.
Speaker 2: Uh So, I think, yeah, it's fitting for them to
kind of be leading the charge here and just what's
what's gonna happen. I'm curious to see where this dynamic
is gonna go. Though, when Matt's girlfriend is obviously I'm
assuming when I say this, maybe I'm being bold. Obviously
gonna be taking by Muse, and then that's gonna probably
involve Kingpin. I'm assuming because Kingpin and Vanessa, they it's
their shrinks, so they're gonna want to farerow what's going on.
And so you're gonna have this clash kind of everything
coming together between dared Devils trying to get his girlfriend
back and then Kingpin trying to find her with the
Vigilante anti task Force. So that'll be an interesting kind
of well clash.
Speaker 1: I think that's what's gonna Remember Fist gave him the
warning like if you put that costume on, he's gonna
rain down Holy hell on him. I think that's what
it's gonna be happening is And even Fisk might have
like some like if him and Vanessa feel like this
therapist are doing a good job in his eyes, it's like, hey,
muses adducted this you know, therapist that's been helping us
out in their eyes right now, maybe they'll have the
police track down like oh yeah, this creepy guy's been
watching the therapist, so he's just gonna think, Okay, our
therapist has been kidnapped by a serial killer. We should
go get her back and kill Mews right from his
point of view, And what I could see happening is
whether he's there or his task force is there, they're
gonna be trying to do a safe while Daredevil shows
up to a safe and that's how Fist finds out
that Matt is back, because whether he sees it or
the tasker lets him know, it's gonna be like the
jigs up. So then for season two, I think that's
where the showdown comes down because Fisk knows Daredevil's back,
and obviously he knows who Daredevil is, and again don't
know why he just doesn't right away go up to
his law firm and just shoot Matt Murdock. Now I'm
interested to see the reasoning how Mac can get out
of that. With Kingpin being the mayor being back to
a criminal knowing his identity, it feels like Matt should
have no way out of this situation, Like I don't
know what he can do against Kingpin right now, you know?
So that is something interesting. And then yeah, he goes
downstairs all see, I did like it. They kind of
ton the scenes and edit them together where Fisk and
Daredevil are both having the re emerging. Fisk is becoming
a full animal again and you know, going ben Yerk
on his ass, Daredevil's kicking Muse his ass. But yeah,
he goes down to Adam and the way they edit
it too, he was like walking downstairs with a shadow.
I thought he was also heading to the subway, which
is an axe by himself. I'm like, wow, this is bold.
He's he's really taking charge of this task force. But no,
he opens up the cage and he talks about all
things gonna be He talked about his weight game, but
he talks about the bounds of things and how they
gotta be fair and how an object can be a
great equalizer. So he throws it to at him. He
opens it. It's an axe does nothing. Fist just destroys
this man, but this does not kill him. He breaks
him down, bloods him up, beats him, throws them back
in the cell, and just just sitting there chilling with him.
So I guess it's just gonna be like a maybe
nightly routine for Fist, because he's.
Speaker 3: Just gonna go down there and beat up at the
dessert is just.
Speaker 1: Like I thought. Okay, he's gonna go and kill him,
but no, it's kind of worse. I feel like Adam
would maybe want him to just kill him, but he's not.
He's just a toy. So I like the scene, you know,
like I said, I think it was just a show. Okay,
Fisc is fully back. Now there's no potential good mayor
Fisk or he wants to do things by the book.
He's gonna be a monster going forward, which is good.
I think the last three episodes. And again I'm really
assuming with the Task Force being in season two, like
there's no way he should be getting locked up or
anything at the end of the season. Like, I'll be
very disappointed if Fisk is taken away from power.
Speaker 3: So that would be really really quick if that happened.
I feel like, now, considering he didn't kill him, I
think Vanessa's definitely finding him and that's gonna be the
final rift in there and maybe he yeah, maybe he
catches her. Maybe he walks down those stairs for his
nightly beating and then she's like down there and she
had just found him or something not that she was
like feeling his soft hands and just at the wrong
time she spots him. That kind of thing, and then
who knows what Fisk has to do to her to
get her to not spill that information. So, uh, yeah,
I think that. I think that's definitely happened now, considering
we've got the confrontration and he didn't kill him. Unless
he did kill him, I don't know. He very well
could just be dead on the floor and he.
Speaker 1: Could just be ye eternal bleeding and everything like that.
Speaker 3: It's only making a little more obvious though, if they
think's happening.
Speaker 1: Yeah, do you have any thoughts on Adam on the beatdown?
Speaker 2: I mean, I I thought maybe I blinked too quickly
because I thought that when Daredevil was fighting Muse and
the way the scene was unfolding here and Kingpin walked
up with this axe, is going downstairs like is Kingpin
coming to help fuck out Muse with Daredevil like coming
into the subway. But no, that was not the case,
because then you see Adam.
Speaker 1: In the south.
Speaker 2: I thought, oh shit, this poor bastard. I completely thought
that he was getting killed because I mean, the axe
and then fucking Kingpin throws him like his body bends
in a way it shouldn't into the ceiling, into the lights,
comes down the table. Thought this this fucking guy Toddler,
Yeah at all? Yeah, this this, I mean Andy should
have known, like Vanessa's putting the moves on. Her name
is missus Fisk and he Andy's like, yeah, I'm gonna go.
Speaker 1: Fis was gone though, this was gone for like.
Speaker 3: Remember but yes, I know, I know he was.
Speaker 2: But I mean, Andy, really you really think Fisk is gone?
I mean, come on, you're gonna that's that was dangerous.
That was dangerous.
Speaker 3: But uh yeah, Vanessa's got a lot going for right.
You know, I can see why any man would.
Speaker 2: Break any man with soft hands, soft hands.
Speaker 3: Yeah, you gotta have those soft hands.
Speaker 1: Do you think next week he like, uh fist strives
to do the same thing. He opens the gate, throws
the axe. Just just Andy, just self detonating, just take
that act like that's what I like I would do.
Speaker 3: Because just like, I don't think I've ever seen in
a movie where a character suicide is by acts, So
I mean that'd be different.
Speaker 1: Could be a first timer. You know, I just feel
like one not only is it painful, it has to
be demoralizing. Every night, this man that's coming in your
son just beating you up, like winning a one v
one like all the time, right, you have an axe too,
you have a weapon?
Speaker 3: Heat is not yeah, and every night you have more
like broken bones. So it's just getting worse and worse
for you too.
Speaker 1: So I'll be interest see what happens to uh Adam
in the next couple of weeks. Here.
Speaker 3: So ye, not looking good?
Speaker 1: No, not looking good? Let me put my notes here.
We talked about the swordsman. Yeah, did you guys feel
weird all like? Except do you guys feel weird all
about that? The cop scene where he's like, oh man,
I want to tell you this guy's back, but don't
do anything like. I just thought it was odd. I
feel like it just really wasn't needed the like I
guess they said up that the girl was going to
look for MWS, but I feel like you could have
had her do that as well too. You could have
had him learn about music. Just felt like it was clunky. Again,
he was only in there for one scene, so it
wasn't a big thing. But just felt it was odd.
Speaker 3: Sorry, which character? What are you talking about?
Speaker 1: The guy at the season where I can't remember his name.
He's like the bald cop. He was retired, he's like
a PI sometimes for Matt. And there's a scene this
episode where he sits him down and he's like, oh, yeah,
you know, I don't want you to hear it from
anybody else, and that's like hearing his heart because his
heart is being really fast, and he like tells him
about Muse, but he's telling him about mus so he
doesn't do anything, but Matt still does something. I just thought.
I just thought it was an odd scene, just didn't
work for me.
Speaker 3: But he's not even that memorable, so I forgot about
it completely.
Speaker 1: There you go. Yeah, that's all the notes I have
for this week.
Speaker 3: Anything else from you guys, I am noteless?
Speaker 1: All right, Well, hopefully next week we got some you know,
we are on the hat trick. And the good thing is,
I'm pretty sure it's been confirmed that I think episode
eight and nine are the ones that got majorly revamped,
so I'm hoping that added in. Is that? What? Yeah?
Speaker 3: So fucking give me set see And that's good as
much scene as we can.
Speaker 1: That's why you can have punished all on these shows.
You know, he sees mus boom over like just one
like he's picking the shotgun. It's done, you know, Adam,
it's over for you, you know so, but uh yeah,
so I'm ex to see you next week. We'll got
Curvelin's thoughts and yeah, hopefully these last episodes we do
got Matt back in the suit. Not that that means
that's gonna be the good show, but I'm hoping that
also leads some some more great actions in the moment.
So we'll be back next week to talk about it
and it will not be boring.
Speaker 2: Bye bye bye