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Speaker 1: Hello, ladies and gentlemen, Welcome back to The Daredevil Born

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Again Review series Episode five and six. This week we

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got a double header. I am the wee Charles Dickens

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character tressed man, I'm joined by Hey.

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Speaker 2: I'm Dylan less that I need a loan. Taylor Field

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need alone.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, this is gonna be an interesting episode. No Kirkland today,

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He's hopefully gonna be on next week.

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Speaker 3: He's between Cherryville. I never heard of Cherryville. I think

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this is a lie is.

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Speaker 2: A great place. I've been there lots of times.

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Speaker 3: And I don't believe you.

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Speaker 1: I've never heard of it. But I'm the worst person

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to ask, because there's still roads in Colonna I haven't

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heard of. I am the worst with I.

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Speaker 3: Don't you should know like towns that are close to

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our city, Yeah, I don't.

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Speaker 1: In West Colonna, I don't particular like the Speaker brand. Yeah,

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but the town not really. That doesn't sound too familiar.

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Speaker 2: It's lake country.

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Speaker 1: No, I'm bad like social studies, geography, that is the worst.

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I need Landmark. When I was like, oh, it's this world, Mike,

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Is that by a movie theater?

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Speaker 2: You know? North south east West?

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Speaker 1: Oh? No, nor south East West, I don't think I

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do you know that?

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Speaker 3: We're in southern Canada, right, Yeah?

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Speaker 1: I found that out because of our meme. That's the

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only reason I knew that though. But yeah, so even

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when I started to work, I do you know that?

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Which is great because Emily doesn't. She's a tough time

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doing that. But like myself, like when I started working

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TI your twelf and I had to ship things to places,

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I was like, oh dear, I had to bust out

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a map for a while because I didn't want to

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screw up putting wrong bins and something like that, like

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paper maps. Yeah, like all that goes to East Scutiney.

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I'm like, I don't know where Scutiney is.

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Speaker 3: Man's not like in the podcast whom we used put

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don't say, like on like a piece of paper written

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on the wall.

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Speaker 1: So I had a little I had papers and binders

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with me to make sure I didn't screw up. Luckily

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I didn't stay in that job for too long. But uh,

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details is in the same way, so that's good. So

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there's just some things that just people aren't good at,

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And that's one of the few things I'm good at

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or not good at. But one of the things I

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am good at usually this podcast hosting. But maybe I'm

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screming up now, but I agree, I'm good at watching

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Daredevil Wednesday every six pm ps T. And that's we're

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gonna talk about today. Yeah, Kirkland should be back next week.

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Speaker 3: Funny watching on Wednesday.

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Speaker 1: But I you know, I like to I still rewatch it,

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you know, yeah, especially episode five. But no, because Kirkland

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was like, originally they supposed to be much later, so

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it's like asking him because we have a lot of news.

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It's like, oh, we could record a couple topics because

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the's supposed to be some big stuff happening this week,

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so we kind of get ahead of it. But that

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didn't happen, as he just responded, So we'll get U

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saws next week. We're gonna talk about nonsports of course.

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For we're gonna just combine the episodes. I think that's

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a safe thing to do with episode five. Maybe I'm

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wrong here, but I think one episode more than another

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has stuff to talk about. So if you haven't seen

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them both, we're just gonna give you our broad thoughts

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and generalizations and then we'll you know, take our break

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and then we'll get into spoilers. So, mister Field, how

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did you feel about this batch episodes? Also, we gotta

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double last time when it premiered one and two, and

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we got another double here Where are you? Obviously last

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week lots of hype with Frank being back and we're

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sending some stuff up. But uh, some different routes maybe

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we took with these episodes.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, one is clearly just a filler if i'd ever

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seen one, uh, and the other one was definitely moving

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the story along. Is it bad that we got a filler?

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Speaker 1: No, not at all.

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Speaker 2: I had some fun with them. I think they it

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was kind of weird, I guess, because I feel like

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they took out of everything in the MCU. They took

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something that I felt like is kind of like, I

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don't know if lighthearted is the right word, but it

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kind of like an innocent humor, kind of like a

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little bit more like an adolescent kind of a like

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approached like and they just were kind of like taking

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that kind of humor and putting into a show that's like, Yo,

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I'm gonna fucking kill you, like just really you know,

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dark staircase scenes and stuff like that. So you caught

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me off guard where the two kind of met in

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the middle. But I appreciate it because I think that

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you have you're showing where you where your flex ability

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is in the MCU, and how they can kind of

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bridge the gap between different things so far, where we're

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used to the MCU being one way, and then you

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have Deadpool and Wolverine and you have Daredevil and you

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have this kind of darker tone that's being implemented for

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the first time into into the MCU. So it's cool

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to see the expanding world kind of connect. So I

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like that, and I think there was still a lot

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of fun in that episode. The next episode was just yeah,

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like I said, great moving the plot forward and some

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other things too that I really enjoyed seeing. Yeah, just

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just some fun things. But I guess I maybe have

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like a couple questions, Well maybe not. Maybe it's not

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really a question, is I guess, Yeah, it's just to see.

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it's going to go. Because I feel like they were

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highlighting some things and I thought, Okay, were they doing

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this because they're gonna be It's this building up towards

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something I don't know, but Ultimately, I just think that, Okay,

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we've really kind of picked up the pace a little bit,

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and now we've got I can never remember how many

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ten episodes total, right or not? Nine? Okay, down to

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the three.

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Speaker 3: Different things, you know, some some just can't remember episode

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that's right counts, that's right.

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Speaker 2: So the final hat trick is upon us, and I'm

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I'm looking forward to where we go with it because

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the episode six definitely it got juicy, i'd say, and

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I really like the ending. It was a pretty big cliffhanger.

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Speaker 1: Mm hmmm, Dylan, are you juicing for the hat trick?

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Speaker 3: I'm juicing for the hat trick? How am I feeling

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on the two trick? The duo we got this week?

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I think we got a two for one pack of

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duds this week. I was very low on both of

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these episodes, particularly episode five, I think is just you know,

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it just felt like it didn't even reach like PG

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levels of you know, I don't need like a hyper violence,

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I guess, but this just felt like so by the numbers,

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so basic, so uninteresting, and so like sterile that I

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just what a waste of time, Like you know, Taylor's like,

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I'll take a filler upsode. I don't I don't want to.

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I don't want a filler episode of this what is

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what it is now. There's a couple of interesting things

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that happened in there, but for the most part, like

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god damn, I wish that was cut down to like

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a five minute sequence in another episode or something. I

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whole episode of dud. Maybe I'm being a bit hyperbolic there.

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I'm curious to talk to you guys about, but I

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think I think what I'm realizing is okay, the Fisk

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Vanessa stuff. I'm enjoying that dynamic, but otherwise I'm really

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not liking Fisk in this show. And I think it's

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like that one element has been raising it up, but

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we didn't really We got a little bit of that

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in this one, but it's more so just his other

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all his other things that he's got going on, and

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it's just not working for me. It's not working for

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me like he like he once did. And I think

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I've I've finally come to that realization as we're crossing

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the halfway mark of this of this series here, so yeah,

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and then even the other stuff that like Matt's doing

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kind of predictable and uninteresting in these episodes. So I

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don't know, I can see why they bundled them together

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and maybe just give each one of them a little

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bit more sauce when you go when that's all you're

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getting for the week. But even with the combination, it

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still felt like a definitely the worst week we've had

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so far of this show. But I'm hopeful for where

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it goes. I think we are still gonna have that

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juicy hat trick to Taylor's point there. But yeah, this

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is the first time that I'm a little bit lower

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on the show, I think than I have been.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, it's funny that Kirkland's not here because I was

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gonna refer to him and I wanted to get his

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kind of gauge here. And people are gonna jump to

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conclusions when I say this, but just just walk on

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me for a little bit here. He said that last

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and I didn't really understand that because I thought, you know,

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from what we've got, like we've done this, you know,

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soon to be August, you know, GV Day ten years.

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fail territory. I'll still say for myself it is not.

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show before they overhauled it. So I was like, well,

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thank god they overhauled whatever they did because if that

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like if it's just by itself, just like a if

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someone made like a fun little Matt Murdock short film,

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and they just thought, Man, if we put this out

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right now, we're gonna get eight and alive. Not because

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the bad sense of like it's bad, it's not anything

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like that. It's just it doesn't progress the story at all.

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concept that's just so cool, so like lots of Like

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is like it's a friend's episode where it's New Year's

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even they're just stuck in the whole like the apartment together, right,

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and lots of hygiens happens, Like, oh, nothing progresses, but

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it's just a fun episode where they're stuck in one

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room and they're having a good time. It's like they're

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waiting to see the lottery numbers drop and someone loses

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the number. All this stuff happens. Or even like if

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it's something where it's breaking bad where everyone talks about

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the fly episode the Fly, not much actually progresses in

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the show plot wise, but it informs those characters past

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president and future going forward. Directed by the great Ryan Johnson,

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by the way, and it's like many deep character stuff.

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I don't think anything was super cool here. So even

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is like something like that where it's like, oh, this

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episode was just so cool, Like it was directed by

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like I don't know if the guy Jad said house

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he let's say it came in here like I just

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want to make a badass Daredel episode and there's no plause,

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just actually, oh cool. But it wasn't that, And I

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don't think it got Matt to any more of a

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place like sure he you know, mindsports beat up some guys,

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a oh man, like maybe they should have edited him

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that was disappointing. And episode six I think has some

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some dialogue, whether it's writing and just even some bad

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was my favorite episode, I'm like, Okay, i feel like

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I'm fully in. I've not fully been in the show yet,

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weeks ago, where I'm like, I think we're gonna get

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mixed bags here and there. I'm excited for the hat trick.

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bad where it's like secret Invasion. We're like, oh man,

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this is gonna we're just gonna meme on this. No,

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it's not that. It's just I'm really hoping season two,

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if they don't do some overhaul, that it's much more concise,

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because I would have taken thrown out this filler episodes

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for more character stuff, especially with some of the elements

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introduced in episode six. So yeah, there's some things, definitely

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not not the greatest. Like if I look at one

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to six as a whole so far, it's a like

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it's like far and away from the other dared Evil

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show and awesome because I feel like Dylan's with me

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because we review these tear you've seen these more recently.

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a clear distinction between like those first three and this

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it was definitely trying to do its own thing and

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just be like, hey, this is our bubble. We're working

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in this bubble. This feels like, Okay, we're still in

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Matt's bubble a little bit, but we're also embracing the

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overall like everything else so that exists out there and

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the MCU and whatnot and so the world just feels

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getting like little one offs here and there, and you're

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Speaker 1: All right, anything else on spoilers?

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Speaker 3: Cool? Quick questions, Travis, because you said this was one

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of those episodes that was kind of from the original show.

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I forget was that original thing supposed to be not mature,

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like not R rated.

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like oh yeah, it's gonna be darker than Netflix or

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stuff like that. So we got a lot of f

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like when compared to what it should have been, perhaps.

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was uh yeah, but no, you could easily cut stuff

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even muse I don't think they're making them so disgusting

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showing my kids this. But I don't think it's our

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Me and Kirkland. As long as he makes it from Cherryville,

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Speaker 1: Yeah, I know, I'm gonna have to get him. I'm

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gonna have to pair him to do like the Clay

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it'll be a tress told you if he's waiting till ten.

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But yes, ladies, gentlemen, that's what we're doing. So yeah,

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thank you very much for supporting. As always, uh, episode fun,

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let's just kind of cover this basis. Usually we don't

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go over we talk all over, but this really it

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is just Matt and there's no other care Like, there's

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no fists, there's no Vanessa and no girlfriend those, no

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music's shirtly Matt's going to the bank trying to get

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a loan bump in the Kamala Khan's dad and there's

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a heist and Matt can't stop himself from helping, which,

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you know, Okay, that's great. It's cool to see him

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being somewhat of a vigilante. But again, it for me

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didn't feel like a big revelation because last week he

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was starting to dust off the old batons, right, so

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it was not a big surprise. But yeah, good old

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bank heist episode on Saint Patti's Day we got.

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Speaker 3: Yeah, the theme being felt a kind of odd to me,

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Like they really felt like shoehorned in and it seems

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like an odd one to do, but they kind of

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went for it, and they you know, amplified it with

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the city and all that. Yeah, I think the bank

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robbery stuff, I guess. It just felt like I didn't

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feel like Matt was really out foxing these people, being

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that's like technically what was going on. It just felt

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like they were such like like tier one criminals that

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they were just like giving him so much leeway and

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all these negotiations and letting him talk and letting him

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walk around and then like taking him to the bathroom

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and I don't know, all this stuff. They just felt

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like kind of unrealistic for like Ange to me, Yeah, I.

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Speaker 1: Said, I'm like, if you're a bank or you let

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someone with the bathroom, I'm just saying like, no.

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Speaker 3: I just piss on the floor.

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Speaker 1: I don't care.

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Speaker 3: Yeah. Yeah, it makes me like more intimidating for the

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other people in the room stairs the bathroom.

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Speaker 1: Was that fucking mount done over here? Like my god,

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like like the yeah downstairs everything, it's like, how long

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does it take to get to this washer?

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Speaker 3: Man?

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Speaker 1: It's like secluded of course by itself, you know.

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Speaker 3: I did like the at least the initial sequence when

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he's really playing up the blind factor walking in there,

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like doesn't know what's going on until hears like the

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shotgun getting charged up, and that's when he like, okay,

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I'll fall in line now. But he's like trying to

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see how far he could get with it. But yeah,

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I just felt like, oh my god, this sequence just

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went on forever and nothing really interesting happened. Yeah, it's

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not like we're getting deep character stuff, like we're getting

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like I guess, between the lead criminal and like the

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investigator the lady who has to kind of talk him down.

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It feels like if those were characters in the show

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and we're getting like a fun dialogue between them, but

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it's like they're kind of just nothing characters. I was

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not really a fan of either their performances either, So this,

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this whole sequence just dragged for me.

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Speaker 1: I was with you funny enough, Thank you. Chris Buggy

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sent this to me before I cast did it confirmed

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it because I was like, this looks familiar. Everyone go

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watch Inside Man. That is a great heist movie. They

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used the same bank as they did in this movie

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as a Denzel washing Clive Owe one, so it's very cool.

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Wound of foe was in there some other people, but

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that's what they were Like, lots of heist movies do that,

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but I felt like they were trying to invoke that.

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And every time they did the whole cop versus the

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lead bank robber, I was like, I wish this was gone.

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I don't need any of this. It wasn't clever, wasn't

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well written. Again, I don't think it was like all

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the worst thing ever. It just I was on joined

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the back and forth much so that was a lot,

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and like you could have talked about like they'm not

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giving him too much, like problems. The only thing I

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didn't like is I felt like Matt took it was

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like when he the guy gets away, right, he dresses

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up at cop and he's leaving down an alley way

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and stuff. I felt like I gave Matt Wade too

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much hassle then he should like. I felt that they

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just played up like, hey, this guy is a regular

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criminal bankis guy's not like ex military train and like,

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even though it only lasts but a minute, the fact

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that Matt sometimes is like getting pushed around by him,

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didn't really like it's just one guy. Like we've seen

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Matt take on dozens of hand ninjins at the same time,

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and we got the Saint Patrick guy that had an

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issue ended cool with the massive drop kick. That's great

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and all, but yeah, I just ten minutes in, when

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we didn't see anybody else and we haven't moved away

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from the bank, he went, oh no, and especially because

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it was a double went oh no, it's gonna be

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the whole episode, And like, yeah, okay, fine, we're seeing

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Kamala Kun's dad and he's talking about how she's a hero.

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I guess I completely forgot in Miss Marvel. I guess

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she did she reveal her identity? Does the world know

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she's Miss Marvel?

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Speaker 2: Well, the family knows.

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Speaker 1: I don't know. He's like showing it. You know, it's

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a Funkal pop and missake.

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Speaker 2: She's saying he wasn't. He never said that Kamala was

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Miss Marvel. He's saying the old Miss marvels my superfavorite

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superheers the Funkel pop for Miss Marble. And then he

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was talking about, oh, you have to come meet like

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my daughter ar Kamala is in New Jersey or whatever.

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Speaker 1: So yeah, okay, I took it that she was known,

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but that's fine. They said she's in Los Angeles visiting

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some friends there. Go send the young Avengers at school

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and all.

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Speaker 2: When they were when they were like introducing and whatnot,

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he was like, oh, thank you for meeting mister Altrich.

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For whatever reason, I was thinking Aldrich killing is gonna

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be the guy like this is fucking crazy.

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Speaker 1: Your turtle cooking, your little turtle show.

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Speaker 2: I really thought it was gonna happen.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, it's a dangerous name to throw around these parts.

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But today, what did you think about the bank? He's

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being used as a you know again getting mad back

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in he tries to get alone, gets denyed, you know,

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fun friendly conversation. He gets back in there because he

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hears stuff going on. He plays up the whole blind thing.

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We got a lock picking sequence, we get the bathroom sequence,

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we get fighting the stair wall. I thought was fine

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when they're trying to make sure the gun's not falling.

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But how did you like this?

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Speaker 2: Uh? Setting, I feel like Matt Murdoch is a character

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that he he needs to be wearing the Daredevil suit

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to increase all of his abilities by like at least

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plus fifty. When he's not wearing the suit, you know,

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he's getting he can't go really toe to toe in

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an alleyway and that kind of stuff.

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Speaker 3: Percent damage at night, Hey.

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Speaker 2: Taylor, that's exactly it.

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Speaker 3: Yeah, we'll check out ourselves.

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Speaker 2: So yeah, he that fight scene where he took out

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the one Irish dude, and yeah, he just you know,

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it's when it happens so quick and your reactions like

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three seconds delayed. He jumps up and just like lands

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00:20:26,319 --> 00:20:28,960
on the guy's leg and bends it backwards like fuck.

472
00:20:29,559 --> 00:20:32,839
But uh yeah, everything else was We didn't really need

473
00:20:32,880 --> 00:20:37,279
a full forty minutes in here dealing with this and

474
00:20:37,480 --> 00:20:39,200
this is again what I was saying, where you get

475
00:20:39,200 --> 00:20:43,279
like Kamala, Miss Marvel, that kind of like humor, very

476
00:20:43,720 --> 00:20:47,759
adolescent kind of approach to the humor being brought into

477
00:20:48,200 --> 00:20:51,400
like the dark, grittier side of Marble like Daredevil and

478
00:20:51,440 --> 00:20:53,039
the swearing and the killing and all that kind of stuff.

479
00:20:53,039 --> 00:20:55,480
And it was just an interesting kind of combination of

480
00:20:55,480 --> 00:20:58,720
showing that these two worlds are connected and can be

481
00:20:58,839 --> 00:21:03,640
crossing over at times. But I just I just I

482
00:21:03,680 --> 00:21:05,119
felt it felt out of place because I felt like

483
00:21:05,119 --> 00:21:06,799
he was just a slap to the face, like oh

484
00:21:06,880 --> 00:21:09,559
oh Kamala, oh Miss Marvel, Oh comealass Marble. It's like

485
00:21:09,960 --> 00:21:12,440
you only need to really say it the one time.

486
00:21:13,160 --> 00:21:15,559
It just felt like he was just and there's a pop.

487
00:21:15,599 --> 00:21:17,759
They were just like going again and again and again

488
00:21:17,799 --> 00:21:19,200
and again with it.

489
00:21:20,720 --> 00:21:22,839
Speaker 1: But you know, I have like a little YouTube at

490
00:21:22,880 --> 00:21:25,000
on the side, like pop up, like you click to

491
00:21:25,039 --> 00:21:26,839
start watching this mart We know you didn't watch this

492
00:21:26,880 --> 00:21:31,400
show show you should click it. Hey again, everybody, if

493
00:21:31,440 --> 00:21:33,000
you haven't watched it, go watched him. On's great, Like

494
00:21:33,000 --> 00:21:35,480
I didn't love the show, but she's fantastic and you

495
00:21:35,519 --> 00:21:38,319
get the Marvels there, but uh, and again they do share,

496
00:21:38,519 --> 00:21:40,400
you know, New York, New Jersey, So I do get it,

497
00:21:40,440 --> 00:21:42,799
but I agree with you. It's like once it's more

498
00:21:42,839 --> 00:21:45,759
than enough, I feel, you know, like that's fine there.

499
00:21:45,799 --> 00:21:49,240
So yeah, I'm trying to think there's anything I miss

500
00:21:49,279 --> 00:21:49,720
from this.

501
00:21:50,200 --> 00:21:51,920
Speaker 3: Yeah, I guess I would just wanted to say, like,

502
00:21:51,960 --> 00:21:54,839
I was surprised to see that actor in there, because

503
00:21:54,839 --> 00:21:56,359
the last time, remember I was talking about him, like

504
00:21:56,440 --> 00:21:58,920
there was like sexual assault allegations against him, and I

505
00:21:58,920 --> 00:22:00,720
was looking up that stuff and it's seems like nothing

506
00:22:01,319 --> 00:22:03,559
really happened with that, Like there's no like newer articles

507
00:22:03,640 --> 00:22:05,279
and like, so it's always a tricky thing to talk

508
00:22:05,319 --> 00:22:08,200
about actors in that situation. It's like, if that stuff's true,

509
00:22:08,240 --> 00:22:10,039
then like fuck the sky, why doesn't why wou doesn't

510
00:22:10,039 --> 00:22:12,119
he put him in here? But if it's not true,

511
00:22:12,160 --> 00:22:14,720
then like that really sucks for him. But it's always

512
00:22:14,720 --> 00:22:17,720
hard to talk about these kind of things, right, But

513
00:22:18,000 --> 00:22:20,759
you know, he was someone that we liked in that show,

514
00:22:20,799 --> 00:22:22,720
and then we found on that info and we're like, okay,

515
00:22:22,720 --> 00:22:24,519
well we don't really want to talk about it much anymore.

516
00:22:24,559 --> 00:22:27,319
Speaker 1: So my hope is that Marvel vetted it and found

517
00:22:27,359 --> 00:22:29,880
there was no validity because it was it was harassment,

518
00:22:30,000 --> 00:22:33,400
not assault. Just to clarify, Okay, I thought it was

519
00:22:33,519 --> 00:22:36,680
like maybe maybe there was some of that stuff because

520
00:22:36,680 --> 00:22:38,799
I thought it was just like bad text and stuff

521
00:22:38,799 --> 00:22:41,000
like that. But my hope is that it was looked

522
00:22:41,000 --> 00:22:42,640
into and nothing came of it, because this is a

523
00:22:42,720 --> 00:22:44,119
very easy episode you could have cut.

524
00:22:44,440 --> 00:22:47,000
Speaker 3: It's not like, oh, and we've seen what they do

525
00:22:47,160 --> 00:22:50,519
to other people. Yeah, yeah, it's like changed the whole slate.

526
00:22:50,799 --> 00:22:54,480
Speaker 1: It'd be different if this literally got Matt tou kamalakan right,

527
00:22:54,559 --> 00:22:56,079
like for some reason he hasked to go to Miss

528
00:22:56,119 --> 00:22:58,000
Marvel for help, Like, okay, you gotta keep that, but this,

529
00:22:58,200 --> 00:23:00,759
like you could have really cut this episode or like

530
00:23:00,799 --> 00:23:02,440
you said, Dylan, you literally could have just beene a

531
00:23:02,480 --> 00:23:05,799
montage and cut this down five minutes of you know,

532
00:23:05,920 --> 00:23:09,079
a day. You know in Charlie Cox's Daredevil Life, you

533
00:23:09,160 --> 00:23:11,599
do the montage with them boom, you cue the opening credit,

534
00:23:11,839 --> 00:23:14,160
and then you go into episode six, like you could

535
00:23:14,200 --> 00:23:16,799
have just done a quick abbreviate version of Oh, Matt,

536
00:23:16,839 --> 00:23:19,240
he is vigilanting, he saved the day. Like even at

537
00:23:19,240 --> 00:23:21,039
the end when he's like doing the like the cute

538
00:23:21,079 --> 00:23:23,359
like he leaves like the jewel in the candy. It's like,

539
00:23:23,839 --> 00:23:26,400
all right, like this guy's kind of a loof what

540
00:23:26,440 --> 00:23:29,200
if you didn't find it? You know? But yeah, yeah,

541
00:23:29,319 --> 00:23:31,799
but yeah, no, it really went to nowhere. There wasn't

542
00:23:31,880 --> 00:23:34,119
much to it. I'm just trying to think there was anything.

543
00:23:34,920 --> 00:23:36,079
Oh I used should pull my notes.

544
00:23:36,160 --> 00:23:38,920
Speaker 3: Yeah, it's funny once again with like having the actor

545
00:23:38,920 --> 00:23:40,720
in there and the next episode we get another like

546
00:23:41,039 --> 00:23:43,599
character from another show. I feel like Daredevil as a

547
00:23:43,720 --> 00:23:47,160
character has some of the highest like crossover rates of

548
00:23:47,200 --> 00:23:48,839
all these things, right because he was in Spider Man,

549
00:23:48,880 --> 00:23:51,480
he was in she Hulk, uh he you know, is

550
00:23:51,559 --> 00:23:53,720
in He's in this. It has the connectivity of this

551
00:23:53,759 --> 00:23:58,039
Marvel now, his connectivity with Hawkeye, connectivity with Echo. So yeah,

552
00:23:58,039 --> 00:24:01,160
a lot of different projects that he's either appeared in

553
00:24:01,359 --> 00:24:02,839
or like crossed over with now, which.

554
00:24:02,759 --> 00:24:05,480
Speaker 1: Is if you can't Defenders, there's so many, you know,

555
00:24:05,519 --> 00:24:05,720
I know.

556
00:24:05,799 --> 00:24:07,279
Speaker 3: Yeah, And I feel like I'm forgetting one too. Is

557
00:24:07,279 --> 00:24:07,839
there another one?

558
00:24:07,920 --> 00:24:10,839
Speaker 1: Or I feel like there's something else we're for getting here.

559
00:24:10,880 --> 00:24:13,759
Speaker 2: But you're gonna get that dinner scene because you're gonna

560
00:24:13,759 --> 00:24:17,319
have this Marvel's family all there. And Matt Murdock like,

561
00:24:17,359 --> 00:24:19,000
he's not one to turn away a meal. He's there

562
00:24:19,039 --> 00:24:22,119
a Sheahawk's family. He's gonna Kamala's family.

563
00:24:22,119 --> 00:24:23,720
Speaker 3: The way I took it is like that already happened,

564
00:24:23,759 --> 00:24:24,839
like we just didn't get to see it.

565
00:24:25,079 --> 00:24:27,640
Speaker 1: Yeah, and Kamal has some hot cousin that Matt's gonna

566
00:24:27,720 --> 00:24:30,279
sleep with him. Bang age appropriate.

567
00:24:30,279 --> 00:24:32,480
Speaker 3: I'mer just saying every time, maybe Captain Marvel shows up

568
00:24:32,480 --> 00:24:33,319
for dinner and he's like.

569
00:24:33,319 --> 00:24:37,720
Speaker 1: All right, please, you know, even though I'm still shipping

570
00:24:37,759 --> 00:24:39,799
him in she Hawk, But all right, anything else?

571
00:24:39,799 --> 00:24:42,759
Speaker 3: On episode five, what the diamond? Is there more to

572
00:24:42,839 --> 00:24:45,839
this diamond? They're really talking it up like this like

573
00:24:45,880 --> 00:24:48,880
an affinity stone. It looked like it had like multiple

574
00:24:48,960 --> 00:24:51,680
colors in it. I was like, is this yeah, crushed

575
00:24:51,680 --> 00:24:53,200
down to one one?

576
00:24:53,319 --> 00:24:56,160
Speaker 1: Maybe it'll come back. But I the to me, I

577
00:24:56,160 --> 00:24:57,559
thought it was gonna be something. But then when it

578
00:24:57,599 --> 00:24:59,319
was just returned, I thought, oh, I guess it's not

579
00:24:59,559 --> 00:25:01,039
actually like I thought. If it was out there in

580
00:25:01,079 --> 00:25:03,759
the open, maybe it was like another white Tiger amulet

581
00:25:03,920 --> 00:25:05,640
or something like that, where it's like, Okay, this has

582
00:25:05,680 --> 00:25:07,720
some power, but it just went back to the bank.

583
00:25:08,039 --> 00:25:10,240
Speaker 2: Now, I thought Matt was gonna keep it. Actually, they're like,

584
00:25:10,240 --> 00:25:11,880
we don't know where it was. He's like, he didn't

585
00:25:11,880 --> 00:25:15,720
get his fucking loan. Yeah, this is this is just now.

586
00:25:17,000 --> 00:25:23,160
Speaker 1: This is just as well, all right. So then we

587
00:25:23,200 --> 00:25:25,960
get into episode six and then what is strange because

588
00:25:25,960 --> 00:25:28,480
it starts with Matt Prang, So it really feels like

589
00:25:28,640 --> 00:25:30,720
they have this he's praying, and they have this little

590
00:25:30,759 --> 00:25:32,720
montage of showing a few things he's done, beat up

591
00:25:32,759 --> 00:25:35,079
those cops, the you know, same things around.

592
00:25:35,440 --> 00:25:35,559
Speaker 2: Uh.

593
00:25:35,880 --> 00:25:38,400
Speaker 1: They showed the bank heist, which I do appreciate because

594
00:25:38,799 --> 00:25:41,119
they haven't. You know, I'm not a religious guy, but

595
00:25:41,200 --> 00:25:44,000
Daredevil comes with religion, and I think we only got

596
00:25:44,000 --> 00:25:46,279
in episode one where he was walking down the street

597
00:25:46,279 --> 00:25:48,119
and he saw or he you know, he does see

598
00:25:48,160 --> 00:25:50,720
stuff or whatever. He sends the church there, and it

599
00:25:50,759 --> 00:25:52,960
felt like he couldn't go in there, like he felt

600
00:25:52,960 --> 00:25:54,599
like he was, you know, he'd burst into flame. So

601
00:25:54,680 --> 00:25:57,160
I like that. He even says to his lady like,

602
00:25:57,200 --> 00:26:00,960
I'm trying to get re you know, affiliated retouched with

603
00:26:01,000 --> 00:26:02,799
this because that is a big part of the character.

604
00:26:03,200 --> 00:26:05,599
Don't know exactly what he's praying for, whether it's to

605
00:26:05,680 --> 00:26:07,960
try and stay out of that or forgiveness for what

606
00:26:08,000 --> 00:26:09,799
he did, Like, I feel like you can read that

607
00:26:09,839 --> 00:26:12,000
in to multiple ways forgiveness for what he's going to

608
00:26:12,039 --> 00:26:14,960
do later. I don't know, but I did like that.

609
00:26:15,240 --> 00:26:17,640
The only thing about this situation at the beginning that

610
00:26:17,680 --> 00:26:21,839
I did not like is I get that Vigilantes are

611
00:26:21,880 --> 00:26:25,559
different than Iron Man, Right, so technically if Daredevil's in

612
00:26:25,599 --> 00:26:28,160
this world now, I still can't like, Hey, superheroes were

613
00:26:28,160 --> 00:26:30,359
really popping off since two thousand and eight. In this

614
00:26:30,480 --> 00:26:33,079
MSU timeline, that's seventeen years. It's even more because they've

615
00:26:33,119 --> 00:26:35,920
jumped five years ahead, so really it's like twenty three years. Right,

616
00:26:36,279 --> 00:26:38,079
But if you don't want to count that, and you

617
00:26:38,079 --> 00:26:40,960
know Cap, okay, they're the Avengers, they're fine. So Daredevil

618
00:26:41,039 --> 00:26:44,759
debut's about twenty fifteen, so he's been around about seven

619
00:26:44,759 --> 00:26:47,359
to ten years, along with Jones, Iron Fists and all

620
00:26:47,359 --> 00:26:51,400
this stuff. I just find the pitch of They clearly

621
00:26:51,480 --> 00:26:55,240
wanted Matt's girlfriend to start talking about vigilantes and superheroes,

622
00:26:55,519 --> 00:26:57,480
so the idea that well, I'm gonna write a book,

623
00:26:57,599 --> 00:27:00,839
It's like these people have been around for me a decade.

624
00:27:00,880 --> 00:27:02,640
I just feel like it's not believable that someone that

625
00:27:02,720 --> 00:27:04,480
you know what, now's the time to write a book

626
00:27:04,640 --> 00:27:06,240
and it's gonna be successful. And I need to get

627
00:27:06,240 --> 00:27:08,720
your guys' opinion on this. When she asks Matt to

628
00:27:08,759 --> 00:27:12,440
sit down with the Punisher, it was very odd because

629
00:27:12,480 --> 00:27:14,240
he said it. Like they started to joke around a

630
00:27:14,279 --> 00:27:16,160
little bit, but they spoke about in a way where

631
00:27:16,160 --> 00:27:19,519
it's just like people know, like Punisher's just actively free.

632
00:27:19,599 --> 00:27:22,079
Like to me, Punisher is a guy that if anyone

633
00:27:22,160 --> 00:27:24,799
knows he's out there, like he should be arrested. Like

634
00:27:24,839 --> 00:27:27,119
this person writing a book would be like, oh you

635
00:27:27,160 --> 00:27:29,920
know where Punisher is, Like he should be arrested. He's

636
00:27:29,920 --> 00:27:32,119
a murderer. So, like it was very odd. I thought

637
00:27:32,160 --> 00:27:33,799
she's saying as a joke, But then they started have

638
00:27:33,880 --> 00:27:36,160
like a real conversation about like yeah, I don't know

639
00:27:36,200 --> 00:27:38,279
if you'd want to do That's like, so do people

640
00:27:38,359 --> 00:27:40,519
just know Frank, Like do they know Frank is in

641
00:27:40,559 --> 00:27:42,279
that little area there, or do they know he's a

642
00:27:42,319 --> 00:27:42,720
free man?

643
00:27:42,880 --> 00:27:44,400
Speaker 3: I know the exact building that he's in.

644
00:27:45,240 --> 00:27:47,480
Speaker 2: It comes down we don't know about I just I

645
00:27:47,559 --> 00:27:50,960
just think that if anyone's gonna know where like a

646
00:27:51,000 --> 00:27:53,119
person is gonna be their lawyer, I think their lawyer

647
00:27:53,200 --> 00:27:55,160
might know something on the inside. I mean that's where

648
00:27:55,200 --> 00:27:56,480
I would start. It's pretty good.

649
00:27:56,440 --> 00:27:59,319
Speaker 1: Seven plus years ago though, now yeah, and.

650
00:27:59,319 --> 00:28:01,720
Speaker 2: I mean if Rank has been missing that whole time,

651
00:28:01,880 --> 00:28:04,200
I mean, it's just I think it's it's a It

652
00:28:04,279 --> 00:28:06,920
was a worthy possibility for her to put it in

653
00:28:06,920 --> 00:28:08,680
his court and he didn't dismiss it, so then she

654
00:28:08,680 --> 00:28:11,559
probably ran with it, like oh he does know, Like Okay, Well.

655
00:28:11,440 --> 00:28:13,200
Speaker 3: She's also talking so much about like all these people

656
00:28:13,359 --> 00:28:15,160
hide behind their masks and whatnot, but like that's not

657
00:28:15,200 --> 00:28:18,200
what punish her is. He's a different type of no.

658
00:28:18,279 --> 00:28:18,640
Speaker 1: I that.

659
00:28:20,519 --> 00:28:23,240
Speaker 2: Is, I have a mask, He's in a different realm.

660
00:28:23,519 --> 00:28:25,440
Speaker 3: It felt really odd to me. I thought the whole

661
00:28:25,480 --> 00:28:27,759
time when she was having that conversation that she was

662
00:28:27,759 --> 00:28:30,000
going to build up to saying someone else like him.

663
00:28:30,319 --> 00:28:31,640
She was going to say dead devil of course, and

664
00:28:31,720 --> 00:28:34,240
like maybe other characters. I'm not sure who off the

665
00:28:34,279 --> 00:28:37,440
top of my head, Yeah, sure, I did not expect

666
00:28:37,440 --> 00:28:40,240
her to go to punisher though. That seemed odd and

667
00:28:40,279 --> 00:28:43,680
I don't know, like her tone was like suspicious to me.

668
00:28:43,759 --> 00:28:45,799
I don't know, like do you think there's something more

669
00:28:45,799 --> 00:28:48,119
to this character, like an evil side to it that

670
00:28:48,240 --> 00:28:51,440
I can't really see what the story for that would be,

671
00:28:51,519 --> 00:28:54,000
but it just it did come across as a bit odd.

672
00:28:54,400 --> 00:28:56,480
Speaker 1: I don't think so. I think it's just a poorly

673
00:28:56,480 --> 00:28:58,839
written character. I could be wrong because she is tied

674
00:28:58,880 --> 00:29:01,319
with Kingpin, so you could say me, there's something there.

675
00:29:01,160 --> 00:29:02,640
Speaker 3: But yeah, that's so. I was wondering if, like all

676
00:29:02,640 --> 00:29:05,240
these therapy sessions, like it doesn't seem like they've been

677
00:29:05,759 --> 00:29:08,000
trying to push these crazy ideas on her and like

678
00:29:08,119 --> 00:29:09,319
change her views or anything.

679
00:29:09,359 --> 00:29:11,480
Speaker 1: But I feel like they just couldn't think of a

680
00:29:11,519 --> 00:29:14,240
reason they wanted Matt to start feeling squirrely and her

681
00:29:14,279 --> 00:29:16,119
to bring up Daredevil and all this stuff. She's like, oh,

682
00:29:16,160 --> 00:29:17,920
you know Dared, well, you've worked with them and stuff.

683
00:29:17,960 --> 00:29:20,680
It's just I just even thought, too, like what you

684
00:29:20,680 --> 00:29:23,279
would know of Punisher, Like do you think you would

685
00:29:23,279 --> 00:29:25,880
actively sit down and get interviewed for a book like that?

686
00:29:26,000 --> 00:29:28,680
Just feels like I get seek you pitched Hairedelly pitch everything,

687
00:29:28,720 --> 00:29:30,720
and I'm just saying it's the public right, like he's

688
00:29:30,759 --> 00:29:33,359
just known as a mass murderer of criminals. But still,

689
00:29:33,440 --> 00:29:36,240
just it was odd. It felt like a weird way

690
00:29:36,240 --> 00:29:39,200
of just trying to you know, like, oh, he's out there.

691
00:29:39,240 --> 00:29:41,279
So I didn't love that. And they hug and they

692
00:29:41,279 --> 00:29:44,079
go away, and that's you know, fine and dandy, and

693
00:29:44,119 --> 00:29:48,000
then we Matt's back to I had so many issues

694
00:29:48,039 --> 00:29:50,519
with so many stuff in this episode, the muse stuff,

695
00:29:51,720 --> 00:29:56,240
multiple stuff where the cop sits down with Matt and

696
00:29:56,240 --> 00:29:57,640
he's like, yeah, you know, I don't want you to

697
00:29:57,640 --> 00:30:00,000
hear this, but like, you know, there's a zerio killer around,

698
00:30:00,000 --> 00:30:03,240
and uh, before we get any ideas, like he hasn't

699
00:30:03,279 --> 00:30:07,039
shown that, Matt's like gripping with coming background on his

700
00:30:07,079 --> 00:30:09,119
dare deevil, like he's set up for a year. So

701
00:30:09,160 --> 00:30:11,039
I guess, I guess he just thinks that the second

702
00:30:11,079 --> 00:30:14,079
there's a serial killer out there, Matt's gonna just suit

703
00:30:14,240 --> 00:30:16,680
up like he does. But there's more built to that.

704
00:30:16,680 --> 00:30:19,400
That wasn't the reason. There was other reasons, but it

705
00:30:19,440 --> 00:30:22,400
felt like an all we pay scene. I did not

706
00:30:22,759 --> 00:30:26,880
like how the cops and mayor Fisk know about Mews.

707
00:30:27,000 --> 00:30:29,880
They're starting to look for him a man hunt both

708
00:30:30,039 --> 00:30:33,759
uh White Tiger's niece and Matt find them like Mews

709
00:30:33,759 --> 00:30:36,839
first night, like Matt watches a couple of YouTube videos.

710
00:30:37,079 --> 00:30:39,880
Speaker 3: Then once again, like what the he like when you

711
00:30:39,920 --> 00:30:42,039
found Punisher too. It's like that That's the thing that's

712
00:30:42,039 --> 00:30:44,359
bothering me, is like I want to see why he's

713
00:30:44,400 --> 00:30:45,960
so smart and good at what he does, but I

714
00:30:45,960 --> 00:30:48,680
feel like the writing's not giving me very compelling reasons

715
00:30:48,759 --> 00:30:51,200
to feel that way. It's just like, yeah, he just

716
00:30:51,279 --> 00:30:54,519
kind of happened upon him within seemingly like fifteen minutes,

717
00:30:54,519 --> 00:30:56,240
because like the Frameman we're getting out of the back

718
00:30:56,279 --> 00:30:58,240
and forth is like, Okay, mws haz are on the

719
00:30:58,279 --> 00:31:00,720
table starting to do the blood and JA and that's

720
00:31:00,720 --> 00:31:03,079
when Matti goes out in the streets that start looking

721
00:31:03,119 --> 00:31:04,720
for him. So I don't know, I guess New York

722
00:31:04,799 --> 00:31:06,759
is a very small place, but no, he found it

723
00:31:06,960 --> 00:31:07,599
way too quick.

724
00:31:07,839 --> 00:31:09,279
Speaker 1: Yeah, And that's the thing where it's like, if it's

725
00:31:09,279 --> 00:31:12,920
this easy to find Muse, why has Fist not sent

726
00:31:13,039 --> 00:31:16,599
down his anti vigilante task force? You know, like you

727
00:31:16,720 --> 00:31:19,920
send a bunch of dudes down. There were shotguns, that's it.

728
00:31:20,000 --> 00:31:22,640
Mus is taken care of. So there's just some things

729
00:31:22,640 --> 00:31:26,519
that were jumping to that. I'm just they're not the clearest.

730
00:31:26,519 --> 00:31:28,359
I think it might be the run time of these

731
00:31:28,400 --> 00:31:31,119
are forty whatever minutes, but there's still the end credits.

732
00:31:31,119 --> 00:31:33,160
They're not as long as Netflix ones, and I think

733
00:31:33,200 --> 00:31:35,480
that's what these episodes needs a little more time to cook,

734
00:31:35,519 --> 00:31:38,200
and especially here even Fist because I know you guys

735
00:31:38,200 --> 00:31:40,200
to talk about newscasts. I'm happy that they got to,

736
00:31:40,400 --> 00:31:44,279
but even the putting together of the Vigilante task Force

737
00:31:44,319 --> 00:31:49,599
felt so rushed. His speech like goofy, Yeah, it was

738
00:31:49,720 --> 00:31:50,240
very goofy.

739
00:31:50,400 --> 00:31:52,759
Speaker 3: They cheer at the end of yeah, we.

740
00:31:53,119 --> 00:31:56,559
Speaker 1: Had one guy's story, and like, I guess I appreciate that. Okay,

741
00:31:56,599 --> 00:31:58,200
he was a guy protecting your kids, So it's not

742
00:31:58,240 --> 00:32:01,119
everybody on those task force might be complete like dirty,

743
00:32:01,200 --> 00:32:05,400
but it's just it was strange. I swear the adry

744
00:32:05,599 --> 00:32:08,720
they ate rd him saying anti Vigilante task Force like

745
00:32:08,720 --> 00:32:10,319
that was not something he said in the scene, and

746
00:32:10,359 --> 00:32:12,160
it was weird. When he walks up to everybody, they're

747
00:32:12,160 --> 00:32:13,839
all in a parking lot and they, oh, why are

748
00:32:13,839 --> 00:32:15,000
we here, He's like, I don't know if you've heard

749
00:32:15,000 --> 00:32:16,920
there's a serial killer and then he does this whole

750
00:32:16,920 --> 00:32:18,559
speech and then the it he's like, you know, your

751
00:32:18,599 --> 00:32:20,759
captain's gonna tell you that there's a serial killer out there.

752
00:32:20,759 --> 00:32:23,839
It's like you just said that, Like there's just multiple

753
00:32:23,880 --> 00:32:27,160
setups in this episode for me were very clunky and uh,

754
00:32:27,279 --> 00:32:30,119
just not working. The stuff with the girlfriend the task Force,

755
00:32:30,440 --> 00:32:32,559
how Matt and I can't remember her name? Does theyone

756
00:32:32,640 --> 00:32:34,799
know her name? Of the niece. I can't remember a

757
00:32:34,880 --> 00:32:35,720
white tiger's niece.

758
00:32:35,799 --> 00:32:38,960
Speaker 3: It's like, hey, ala ayala's laugh like that.

759
00:32:39,240 --> 00:32:43,319
Speaker 1: How they just got there. I did appreciate that mus

760
00:32:43,400 --> 00:32:45,680
made it out because I thought he was I really

761
00:32:45,759 --> 00:32:47,200
were I didn't think he was gonna get killed, but

762
00:32:47,240 --> 00:32:49,680
I was worried, You're just gonna get arrested and that

763
00:32:49,680 --> 00:32:51,599
that was it for News because he was pretty passed

764
00:32:51,599 --> 00:32:52,039
out there.

765
00:32:52,559 --> 00:32:54,839
Speaker 3: Are you excited to see more of him? Like with

766
00:32:55,119 --> 00:32:56,799
you out there? I?

767
00:32:56,799 --> 00:32:59,599
Speaker 1: I like it's it's different for me because, like I've

768
00:32:59,599 --> 00:33:01,680
read the Almos, the Muse does some cool stuff.

769
00:33:01,720 --> 00:33:04,119
Speaker 3: I think this isn't the News that has like powers

770
00:33:04,200 --> 00:33:05,720
right No, but like he's still.

771
00:33:05,599 --> 00:33:08,440
Speaker 1: Like a serial killer artist guy. Like I think there's

772
00:33:08,480 --> 00:33:10,640
still potential. I think the fact that he didn't get

773
00:33:10,680 --> 00:33:13,519
caught and there's three more episodes, I think he is

774
00:33:13,559 --> 00:33:16,200
the main bad guy right now, and Daredevil and Fisk

775
00:33:16,279 --> 00:33:19,480
really won't square off till next year, So I'm still excited.

776
00:33:19,480 --> 00:33:22,359
I like the layer. I liked the fight scene a lot.

777
00:33:22,400 --> 00:33:24,240
I thought that was well done. There's some you know,

778
00:33:24,279 --> 00:33:26,640
a little shody cgi here and there, but I liked

779
00:33:26,680 --> 00:33:28,680
that fight scene a lot. I loved his layer with

780
00:33:28,720 --> 00:33:31,480
the bodies that's very common accrid. I love the look.

781
00:33:31,519 --> 00:33:34,000
And there was this great shot where he was on

782
00:33:34,119 --> 00:33:36,200
his back and he woke up and then the camera

783
00:33:36,319 --> 00:33:38,640
flipped with him when he flipped at the same time.

784
00:33:38,799 --> 00:33:42,480
So I'm still I think there's potential. Do I trust

785
00:33:42,519 --> 00:33:44,759
the show to hit a home run with it? Not really,

786
00:33:44,880 --> 00:33:46,839
but I'm still interested in news right now.

787
00:33:47,079 --> 00:33:50,200
Speaker 3: But you're not right now, Dylan sounds like a not

788
00:33:50,279 --> 00:33:53,640
particularly because it kind of felt like we already got

789
00:33:53,720 --> 00:33:55,960
the arc of him now obviously, then he's scurried away

790
00:33:56,000 --> 00:33:58,359
at the end, so he's obviously still out there and stuff.

791
00:33:58,400 --> 00:34:00,440
But like, I just don't know what else we're gonna

792
00:34:00,519 --> 00:34:03,200
do with them at this point, So I don't know.

793
00:34:03,200 --> 00:34:05,400
Maybe maybe it is interesting. I do think the concept

794
00:34:05,440 --> 00:34:09,480
of him using blood of his victims then they turns

795
00:34:09,480 --> 00:34:12,000
it into paint that he then is making these murals

796
00:34:12,039 --> 00:34:14,800
of and they can't be washed off for reasons they

797
00:34:14,800 --> 00:34:17,480
really tried to over explain to us, so that would

798
00:34:17,519 --> 00:34:21,000
be a believable blot point plot point, but uh, I

799
00:34:21,000 --> 00:34:23,599
don't know. I like, I guess maybe it's the fact

800
00:34:23,599 --> 00:34:25,360
that he's a care that doesn't really speak, and I

801
00:34:25,400 --> 00:34:28,880
feel like that's where some of the best opposition to

802
00:34:29,280 --> 00:34:31,639
Matt becomes, because obviously he's so good with his mouth

803
00:34:31,679 --> 00:34:34,280
and so like when they have these back and forth

804
00:34:34,320 --> 00:34:36,199
between each other and in between, when they're kind of

805
00:34:36,239 --> 00:34:39,920
resting between fighting and then they can have some intense conversation,

806
00:34:40,000 --> 00:34:42,119
it just feels like Muse is a bit one note

807
00:34:42,119 --> 00:34:45,599
at this point. So I don't know. I just don't

808
00:34:45,599 --> 00:34:47,360
really know what else we're gonna get with him, And like,

809
00:34:47,400 --> 00:34:50,000
considering how one sided that fight was, I don't think

810
00:34:50,000 --> 00:34:52,519
we're building up to like a really cool fight between

811
00:34:52,519 --> 00:34:54,480
them either. And obviously he could go get some tech

812
00:34:54,599 --> 00:34:57,239
or something, but I don't know, maybe that will feel

813
00:34:57,239 --> 00:34:59,079
like a bit too forced. Like I don't know, is

814
00:34:59,079 --> 00:35:01,960
he really really over come Daredevil at this point?

815
00:35:02,199 --> 00:35:05,000
Speaker 1: Yeah, I thought I didn't know if it was completely

816
00:35:05,039 --> 00:35:07,199
one sided. I thought Matt definitely the upper hand and

817
00:35:07,239 --> 00:35:09,119
he was ragged on a little bit, but I thought

818
00:35:09,159 --> 00:35:10,360
he was put up a little bit of a fight.

819
00:35:10,719 --> 00:35:12,960
The one thing I forgot that we tubble was last week.

820
00:35:13,039 --> 00:35:17,400
Remember Muse did approach mass girlfriend for the therapy, so

821
00:35:17,400 --> 00:35:19,239
that's the other card they still to play that. That's

822
00:35:19,239 --> 00:35:21,440
where you could come back around. I don't know how

823
00:35:21,559 --> 00:35:23,719
energy that could literally just end up being.

824
00:35:23,800 --> 00:35:26,079
Speaker 3: Yeah, maybe that's why they have that interview stuff, because

825
00:35:26,119 --> 00:35:28,679
it's like, oh, the irony of her looking for someone

826
00:35:28,679 --> 00:35:30,880
with a mask to interview and she gets captured by

827
00:35:30,880 --> 00:35:31,519
someone of the masks.

828
00:35:31,519 --> 00:35:34,039
Speaker 1: You think I get interview, MWS, you think I can, which.

829
00:35:33,800 --> 00:35:35,800
Speaker 3: Was all, well, you're kidnapping me. Do you mind if

830
00:35:35,840 --> 00:35:38,119
I just ask you a couple quick questions?

831
00:35:38,159 --> 00:35:40,760
Speaker 1: And that was weird for me too. I don't know what.

832
00:35:41,199 --> 00:35:44,559
I guess it's. I'll give the show credit, I guess

833
00:35:44,559 --> 00:35:46,840
for this. It's not out there publicly, but I thought

834
00:35:46,880 --> 00:35:49,480
it was odd again, very rush where these two girls

835
00:35:49,480 --> 00:35:52,280
just walk up like your muse, And I feel like,

836
00:35:52,519 --> 00:35:55,519
I'm fine with if the episodes before we found out,

837
00:35:55,519 --> 00:35:58,880
hey there's this underground artist that's really hot and hip

838
00:35:58,880 --> 00:36:00,719
and cool, but like it's not out there that is

839
00:36:00,760 --> 00:36:03,039
serial killer, right, because Fit's actively said, don't put that

840
00:36:03,079 --> 00:36:05,079
out there. I want to keep it, you know, close

841
00:36:05,119 --> 00:36:06,920
to the vest. We're gonna deal with this ourselves. So

842
00:36:06,920 --> 00:36:09,079
that's fine to answer that. I just felt we weren't

843
00:36:09,079 --> 00:36:11,519
at the point where people were like your muse man,

844
00:36:11,639 --> 00:36:13,639
like I know the mirrors, but I didn't know that

845
00:36:13,679 --> 00:36:16,320
people were like actively talking like, oh, there's this guy

846
00:36:16,400 --> 00:36:18,920
named mus who dresses up like in a skin tight

847
00:36:19,039 --> 00:36:21,880
weird suit and stuff. So that again also felt a

848
00:36:21,880 --> 00:36:24,320
little strange for me to get there.

849
00:36:24,519 --> 00:36:26,639
Speaker 3: So, yeah, something something that's not to me about this

850
00:36:26,679 --> 00:36:30,280
episode is I feel like we're not seeing enough of

851
00:36:30,320 --> 00:36:34,559
the opposite viewpoint of like the Fisc, the Fisk side

852
00:36:34,559 --> 00:36:36,360
of things, because obviously he's got like the cops in

853
00:36:36,400 --> 00:36:38,199
his bag now e really all we get is like

854
00:36:38,880 --> 00:36:42,559
a couple BB interview things that are like five seconds long, right,

855
00:36:42,599 --> 00:36:44,599
And that's how you see like the people who don't

856
00:36:44,800 --> 00:36:46,400
believe in these kind of things, And we see like

857
00:36:46,440 --> 00:36:50,039
these two people have this very very brief conversation with Mom.

858
00:36:50,079 --> 00:36:52,400
It was not even a conversation, just like one quick thing, right,

859
00:36:52,760 --> 00:36:54,159
And I don't know, it's like, that's not really the

860
00:36:54,159 --> 00:36:56,760
purpose of Matt or Daredevil as a character. Obviously he's

861
00:36:56,760 --> 00:36:59,639
opposed to Fisk and everything he's got going on, but

862
00:36:59,760 --> 00:37:02,360
not in that like political sense. It's like a different realm,

863
00:37:02,360 --> 00:37:05,079
a different battlefield, and so I don't know, maybe that's

864
00:37:05,119 --> 00:37:06,639
maybe that's part of it too, is it's just like

865
00:37:06,679 --> 00:37:09,159
it feels a little imbalanced, and that's why some of

866
00:37:09,199 --> 00:37:12,400
these other things feel just too easy and convenient when

867
00:37:12,440 --> 00:37:14,679
we're seeing just like I don't know, these dirty cop scenes,

868
00:37:14,719 --> 00:37:16,400
but we're not really seeing like the opposite of that.

869
00:37:17,159 --> 00:37:19,920
Speaker 1: Yeah, I wonder if they're saying, well, I guess it's

870
00:37:19,960 --> 00:37:21,960
tough because I was gonna say they're saying some stuff,

871
00:37:21,960 --> 00:37:23,960
but I feel like Punisher is on the way back,

872
00:37:24,039 --> 00:37:26,239
So I don't know where they're gonna go that route.

873
00:37:26,280 --> 00:37:28,519
But we've talked about a lot. Where where do you

874
00:37:28,559 --> 00:37:29,920
want to start some of your thoughts or some of

875
00:37:29,920 --> 00:37:33,199
the muse stuff, some of the girlfriend's stuff. We uh mean,

876
00:37:33,320 --> 00:37:35,079
Dylan there.

877
00:37:35,920 --> 00:37:37,239
Speaker 2: I mean, I don't have much else to add to

878
00:37:37,239 --> 00:37:41,199
the girlfriend's stuff. It's just I think her petition to

879
00:37:41,199 --> 00:37:44,119
get an interview Punisher, that's that's super zany and I

880
00:37:44,239 --> 00:37:46,960
just I mean, I don't I don't know anything.

881
00:37:47,079 --> 00:37:49,320
Speaker 1: After seven years, no one else has written a book

882
00:37:49,320 --> 00:37:53,559
about vigilantes yet, like or fucking newspapers, like.

883
00:37:52,960 --> 00:37:54,840
Speaker 3: Even back then. I remember in the Devil Show there's

884
00:37:54,840 --> 00:37:57,079
like newspapers about like the Hulk and like the Avengers stuff,

885
00:37:57,079 --> 00:37:59,679
like they were discussing it in the Netflix, Marvel stuff.

886
00:37:59,719 --> 00:37:59,920
Speaker 1: You know.

887
00:38:00,119 --> 00:38:02,039
Speaker 3: So I feel like it's been done, but you know

888
00:38:02,320 --> 00:38:05,280
there's still people writing new books about old things still today.

889
00:38:05,559 --> 00:38:05,840
Speaker 1: Yeah.

890
00:38:05,920 --> 00:38:08,519
Speaker 2: I guess it's just at a different level because you

891
00:38:08,559 --> 00:38:11,960
have all these big time heroes the Avengers to the

892
00:38:12,039 --> 00:38:13,920
Kobe Accords, all that kind of stuff, and then you've

893
00:38:13,960 --> 00:38:17,639
got so many street level people, regular citizens that are

894
00:38:17,679 --> 00:38:19,719
coming forward that may not necessarily all have the same

895
00:38:19,760 --> 00:38:23,119
powers or have any powers all together, but they're still

896
00:38:23,159 --> 00:38:25,440
wearing a mask and coming out and doing something. We

897
00:38:25,559 --> 00:38:27,519
got this scene of this guy fighting with the sword,

898
00:38:27,559 --> 00:38:31,440
and I was like, is that uh Kit Kit Harrington?

899
00:38:32,199 --> 00:38:35,400
Oh yeah, the Black Knight, like fighting at the sword

900
00:38:35,440 --> 00:38:38,480
in the park, Like maybe it's Blade, Yeah, maybe it's

901
00:38:38,519 --> 00:38:43,920
Blade the Day day Walker, but yeah, Ultimately, I just

902
00:38:43,960 --> 00:38:45,599
think for her to go to the right to punish her,

903
00:38:45,599 --> 00:38:47,519
I can't see Punisher doing an interview like that. I

904
00:38:47,559 --> 00:38:49,719
thought I thought Matt was going to suggest like, oh

905
00:38:49,800 --> 00:38:53,480
she halk I know her or something like that. Oh yeah,

906
00:38:53,599 --> 00:38:55,320
I thought it would have been would have been cool,

907
00:38:55,400 --> 00:38:57,480
but uh or Kamala.

908
00:38:57,599 --> 00:38:59,840
Speaker 3: You know, miss Marvel, I can get you.

909
00:39:02,480 --> 00:39:05,400
Speaker 2: Uh, but yeah, getting to everything with with Muse. I

910
00:39:05,400 --> 00:39:09,559
think he's super cool, just seeing how just as I

911
00:39:09,599 --> 00:39:11,320
want to cosplay as him because he's just I love

912
00:39:11,360 --> 00:39:14,719
his costume. I love how he's freaky and the way

913
00:39:14,760 --> 00:39:17,199
he's like he's carrying the body of his shoulder and

914
00:39:17,239 --> 00:39:21,360
he's walking down like the train tunnels, and he's like

915
00:39:21,400 --> 00:39:23,719
just the way he's looking around, he's not even saying anything,

916
00:39:23,719 --> 00:39:26,639
and I like that You're just getting these creepy vibes

917
00:39:26,639 --> 00:39:28,800
from him, and just how he's acting through his eyes

918
00:39:28,840 --> 00:39:32,239
and this through his his motions and so lots of

919
00:39:32,280 --> 00:39:36,519
eye acting. Yeah, So he's just uh, he's just he's

920
00:39:36,840 --> 00:39:41,880
intense and and yeah, freaky and just when fuck those

921
00:39:41,880 --> 00:39:44,079
two girls just like, hey, you're mused? Can we get

922
00:39:44,079 --> 00:39:46,000
the photo? Not like a selfie? He's like, what the

923
00:39:46,039 --> 00:39:49,159
fuck are you doing? I hope that. I know it's

924
00:39:49,199 --> 00:39:51,519
just it's obviously exaggerated for TV, but I hope with

925
00:39:51,559 --> 00:39:53,960
my kids I can raise them to not be someone

926
00:39:54,079 --> 00:39:56,519
like that, where like, are you mused? Can we get

927
00:39:56,559 --> 00:39:57,119
a photo?

928
00:39:57,719 --> 00:39:57,800
Speaker 1: Like?

929
00:39:57,920 --> 00:40:02,039
Speaker 2: God damn? He turns and he's got blood, Yeah, blood

930
00:40:02,119 --> 00:40:04,440
drooping from his eyes and some shit, you know, people

931
00:40:04,519 --> 00:40:05,320
are going missing, and well.

932
00:40:05,320 --> 00:40:07,159
Speaker 3: I didn't know that was what he looked like until

933
00:40:07,159 --> 00:40:07,840
he turned around.

934
00:40:08,280 --> 00:40:09,599
Speaker 1: How they know it was him though, I guess because

935
00:40:09,599 --> 00:40:11,840
I saw the mural and they thought that must be mused.

936
00:40:11,920 --> 00:40:15,039
Speaker 2: I guess, yeah, just so many red flags, so many

937
00:40:15,039 --> 00:40:18,320
red flags. But anyways, I digress. I think that as

938
00:40:18,360 --> 00:40:20,840
a character, I'm glad that he's he's still around because

939
00:40:21,039 --> 00:40:22,960
he was going toe to toe with Daredevil. I wasn't

940
00:40:23,000 --> 00:40:25,360
expecting him to actually have any fighting capabilities, so I

941
00:40:25,440 --> 00:40:27,280
really like seeing that he was actually able to hold

942
00:40:27,320 --> 00:40:28,920
his own and fight. I thought that was kind of

943
00:40:28,920 --> 00:40:32,920
fun and yeah, just very alarming when I didn't think

944
00:40:32,960 --> 00:40:37,559
he was gonna any get any needles into White Tiger's nieces,

945
00:40:37,639 --> 00:40:41,079
like like into her, and he just planted like two

946
00:40:41,079 --> 00:40:43,079
in there and started doing the blood harvest. And then

947
00:40:43,559 --> 00:40:45,920
I laughed at this scene. I thought it was cool

948
00:40:45,920 --> 00:40:48,840
because as he's like stalking slowly and moving out towards

949
00:40:48,840 --> 00:40:52,199
like the tunnel and he's like looking out. This shot

950
00:40:52,559 --> 00:40:54,840
is so cool when he's just like leaning out of

951
00:40:54,840 --> 00:40:57,239
the tunnel and you see the train and the red

952
00:40:57,320 --> 00:40:59,960
lights in the train are reflecting in his eyes. It's like, man,

953
00:41:00,559 --> 00:41:04,119
this looks so fucking cool. What a shot this is.

954
00:41:04,400 --> 00:41:06,840
But then I was laughing because you see Daredevil get

955
00:41:06,840 --> 00:41:08,199
out running, just fucking gone.

956
00:41:08,480 --> 00:41:11,760
Speaker 1: Cegi, Daredevil will come out of Yeah, yeah I had

957
00:41:11,960 --> 00:41:13,519
I had that in my notes. I love that shot

958
00:41:13,559 --> 00:41:15,400
of the train and muse his eyes. That was really good.

959
00:41:15,440 --> 00:41:18,239
But yeah, that Matt running of like he's moving and

960
00:41:18,320 --> 00:41:19,920
then like he comes with a super I punch. It's

961
00:41:19,960 --> 00:41:22,880
just like a you know, a little little plastic looking

962
00:41:22,960 --> 00:41:23,199
mad I.

963
00:41:23,199 --> 00:41:26,159
Speaker 2: Don't know how I was the baton fly. I don't

964
00:41:26,159 --> 00:41:28,079
know how. I mused did not ship himself because this

965
00:41:28,239 --> 00:41:30,199
is the last thing he would have expected. Dared Nevil's

966
00:41:30,199 --> 00:41:32,039
were missing for a year. He probably know he knows

967
00:41:32,039 --> 00:41:33,920
who Daredevil is. And then all of a sudden, Daredevil

968
00:41:34,079 --> 00:41:37,159
just like boom. This is like the Dark Knight returning

969
00:41:37,199 --> 00:41:39,559
and Dark Knight rises and the cops are like, holy shit,

970
00:41:40,400 --> 00:41:42,360
you're in for a treat to night Son or whatever

971
00:41:42,440 --> 00:41:43,119
that cop says.

972
00:41:44,400 --> 00:41:47,880
Speaker 1: Like Daredevil, He's like, yeah, man, you know, like again,

973
00:41:47,920 --> 00:41:49,639
I liked that build up. I like you. He just said,

974
00:41:49,679 --> 00:41:53,800
fuck it, And I love the symbology. The symbology. No,

975
00:41:54,039 --> 00:41:55,960
that's not what I'm looking for is that a word is?

976
00:41:56,039 --> 00:41:59,119
Speaker 3: Now let's look similar similar.

977
00:41:59,480 --> 00:42:03,320
Speaker 1: Yeah, find some words there. Uh, the symbolism of at

978
00:42:03,320 --> 00:42:05,280
the beginning of this episode he was playing with his

979
00:42:05,360 --> 00:42:08,199
little Devil's horn thing, right, and then in this he

980
00:42:08,239 --> 00:42:13,920
said he could and then when he says fuck it,

981
00:42:14,000 --> 00:42:16,679
he throws down the devil horn and it hits like

982
00:42:16,840 --> 00:42:19,760
the paper of Foggy's funeral, you know, like a kind

983
00:42:19,800 --> 00:42:21,000
of a just a.

984
00:42:22,880 --> 00:42:24,840
Speaker 2: Fuck you Foggy, not that, but.

985
00:42:26,360 --> 00:42:30,320
Speaker 1: It's once again he's going against his friend's wish in

986
00:42:30,400 --> 00:42:32,840
a sense, right, because Foggy never wanted Matt to be dared.

987
00:42:33,000 --> 00:42:34,679
We'd always try to talk him out of it. But

988
00:42:34,760 --> 00:42:37,599
it's that thing of Foggy's gone and if I don't

989
00:42:37,679 --> 00:42:40,199
do this, someone else could die. So, you know, with

990
00:42:40,360 --> 00:42:42,199
him just saying fuck again, lots of fucks in these

991
00:42:42,280 --> 00:42:45,159
last two episodes. But uh, I did like that, and

992
00:42:45,480 --> 00:42:47,719
uh yeah, I could have use like a bit more

993
00:42:47,760 --> 00:42:49,840
of the bill up with him actually getting there. But again,

994
00:42:49,920 --> 00:42:52,039
I like the cinematography of the fight with me Is.

995
00:42:52,119 --> 00:42:53,880
I enjoyed that and I thought that was a good

996
00:42:54,199 --> 00:42:56,320
the last ten minutes I got no notes. For the

997
00:42:56,400 --> 00:42:59,400
most part, I really enjoyed the fight there and I'm

998
00:42:59,440 --> 00:43:03,199
curious to see what happens now with Matt or are

999
00:43:03,239 --> 00:43:05,800
we gonna get another episode where he's kind of not

1000
00:43:06,239 --> 00:43:07,519
because we got him in the suit, But what did

1001
00:43:07,599 --> 00:43:09,519
that take? So we took six episodes to get him

1002
00:43:09,559 --> 00:43:11,960
back in the suit, right, So I wonder like right

1003
00:43:12,000 --> 00:43:14,760
away is he back on the streets fighting people? This

1004
00:43:15,039 --> 00:43:17,320
task Force is gonna be abound because what we got

1005
00:43:17,719 --> 00:43:20,719
seven eight nine? So I feel like one of those episodes, Yeah,

1006
00:43:20,760 --> 00:43:22,480
one of those episodes. I don't think you take down

1007
00:43:22,519 --> 00:43:25,840
the task Force. It's obviously he just got assembled, and

1008
00:43:26,039 --> 00:43:28,119
like you guys talked about newscast, I think that's gonna

1009
00:43:28,119 --> 00:43:31,800
be like a reoccurring type of villain going forward, and

1010
00:43:32,000 --> 00:43:33,840
you'll get people to take him down. So maybe that's

1011
00:43:33,880 --> 00:43:37,199
like a somewhat threat later on in an episode. But

1012
00:43:38,039 --> 00:43:40,559
I'm just trying to think, like what immediately Matt does now,

1013
00:43:40,679 --> 00:43:42,639
Like when he goes home, is he you know? Or

1014
00:43:42,800 --> 00:43:44,639
like I said, does he go home? He just dropped

1015
00:43:44,679 --> 00:43:47,159
this Niss off and he's just on the streets looking

1016
00:43:47,199 --> 00:43:48,840
for more crime, looking to beat people up.

1017
00:43:48,880 --> 00:43:50,840
Speaker 3: I mean, he still has to capture Muse, I guess

1018
00:43:50,880 --> 00:43:53,480
because he let him go. So that's one right off

1019
00:43:53,519 --> 00:43:54,000
the bat, and.

1020
00:43:54,039 --> 00:43:55,719
Speaker 1: He's got his layer, so where his music going? And

1021
00:43:55,800 --> 00:43:59,039
that's why I'm wondering if mus in defeat, whether he's

1022
00:43:59,079 --> 00:44:02,199
embarrassed scared like Terras he just saw Daredubel. I wonder

1023
00:44:02,199 --> 00:44:04,239
if that's how we get him back to the girlfriend.

1024
00:44:04,760 --> 00:44:08,239
His muse is feeling shaken by Daredubl, so he just

1025
00:44:08,320 --> 00:44:10,119
needs someone to talk to, someone to reach out to,

1026
00:44:10,519 --> 00:44:13,000
and he goes that person and then don't know how

1027
00:44:13,159 --> 00:44:15,960
you get Matt in there. He did, like listen to

1028
00:44:16,039 --> 00:44:18,679
his heartbeat. He did, I'm sure probably smell him, so

1029
00:44:18,760 --> 00:44:20,519
I'm not sure if that's something we're Matt good.

1030
00:44:20,559 --> 00:44:24,000
Speaker 3: I feel like the overwhelming smell of blood probably that's true,

1031
00:44:24,119 --> 00:44:24,960
filled his nostril.

1032
00:44:25,039 --> 00:44:26,800
Speaker 1: Probably a lot of blood going on there. So but

1033
00:44:26,920 --> 00:44:28,920
I feel like that's how we get back to Matt

1034
00:44:29,000 --> 00:44:31,199
v muse with the with the girlfriend.

1035
00:44:31,360 --> 00:44:35,599
Speaker 3: So mm hmmm, yeah, I can see that. I guess

1036
00:44:35,840 --> 00:44:37,800
other fisk things are the only of the things that

1037
00:44:38,039 --> 00:44:39,559
go on this upsode got.

1038
00:44:39,519 --> 00:44:41,639
Speaker 1: Some fist stuff. Well, let's let's take our last break

1039
00:44:41,679 --> 00:44:43,400
and then we'll talk about the Fisker. So we'll be

1040
00:44:43,519 --> 00:44:47,760
right back and we're back. So mister fisk, Yeah, he

1041
00:44:48,239 --> 00:44:51,480
had some meetings, we got to see some characters, and

1042
00:44:51,639 --> 00:44:56,679
we saw his true intentions, and then a bad ending

1043
00:44:56,800 --> 00:44:59,440
for well, not really bad, I've just been bad astuff.

1044
00:44:59,519 --> 00:45:01,239
He was doing bad stuff at the end of this episode,

1045
00:45:01,400 --> 00:45:02,840
so I'm trying to say that's true.

1046
00:45:03,159 --> 00:45:05,840
Speaker 3: Yeah, So we got the sequence here where he has

1047
00:45:05,920 --> 00:45:09,480
to go to a party full of rich people and

1048
00:45:09,639 --> 00:45:12,199
kind of kind of schmoos them a bit, but they

1049
00:45:12,320 --> 00:45:14,239
ended up kind of just smoothing him, right, And so

1050
00:45:14,320 --> 00:45:15,480
I feel like it's the little on the nose what

1051
00:45:15,559 --> 00:45:17,480
they're trying to do there with the commentary of it,

1052
00:45:17,559 --> 00:45:20,159
and we see Jack of that guy's name right from

1053
00:45:20,679 --> 00:45:22,039
from Hawkeye the Swordsman.

1054
00:45:22,159 --> 00:45:23,800
Speaker 1: Yeah, he was Dane Eleanor there. Yeah.

1055
00:45:24,079 --> 00:45:27,239
Speaker 3: Yeah, So I was like, would Fisk not have known

1056
00:45:27,280 --> 00:45:29,199
who that guy was? Like that he would that he

1057
00:45:29,320 --> 00:45:30,719
was married to Eleanor.

1058
00:45:30,920 --> 00:45:34,159
Speaker 1: Well, yeah, but I don't think there's he's just trying

1059
00:45:34,199 --> 00:45:35,920
to get money from him, right, So I don't think

1060
00:45:35,960 --> 00:45:37,480
that would It.

1061
00:45:37,599 --> 00:45:38,920
Speaker 3: Just seemed like he didn't know who he was.

1062
00:45:39,480 --> 00:45:41,159
Speaker 1: I can agree there that they didn't play it up

1063
00:45:41,280 --> 00:45:43,320
like they have a history, which they probably should have,

1064
00:45:43,440 --> 00:45:44,519
But I don't.

1065
00:45:44,360 --> 00:45:47,800
Speaker 3: Know, like some you know something because she's behind bars

1066
00:45:47,840 --> 00:45:48,440
right now, right.

1067
00:45:48,440 --> 00:45:50,159
Speaker 1: She's behind bars, And I can't remember if they were

1068
00:45:50,199 --> 00:45:52,559
married or just a couple, but if they're married, I

1069
00:45:52,599 --> 00:45:55,559
feel like that changed the dynamic because money might be

1070
00:45:55,679 --> 00:45:56,400
tied up in that.

1071
00:45:56,639 --> 00:46:00,239
Speaker 3: So yeah, but I don't know, it's another kind of

1072
00:46:00,239 --> 00:46:03,360
a fun little connective point here between I guess some

1073
00:46:03,559 --> 00:46:06,280
some different series. But yeah, the sequence as a whole,

1074
00:46:06,280 --> 00:46:09,800
I didn't feel like there's a whole lot to glean

1075
00:46:09,960 --> 00:46:13,280
from it. I feel like I'm maybe I'm maybe some

1076
00:46:13,400 --> 00:46:15,239
of the like Trump comparisons once again. I feel like

1077
00:46:15,239 --> 00:46:17,840
I'm in Clay mode now officially, where Clay is recently

1078
00:46:17,880 --> 00:46:19,559
talked about. Yeah, it's kind of sick of all these

1079
00:46:19,800 --> 00:46:23,519
movies and TV shows constantly just like being you know,

1080
00:46:23,760 --> 00:46:25,519
one to ones for Trump, And I feel like maybe

1081
00:46:25,559 --> 00:46:27,280
I'm at that point with Fisk now too, especially with

1082
00:46:27,360 --> 00:46:29,880
the sequence and how relevant that is, like in the

1083
00:46:29,960 --> 00:46:32,760
last even month or two here, just in terms of

1084
00:46:32,920 --> 00:46:35,039
how money can kind of just buy your way into

1085
00:46:35,079 --> 00:46:37,280
the power and then how it all kind of unfurls

1086
00:46:37,280 --> 00:46:39,360
from there. So I don't know, sequence was fine. I

1087
00:46:39,360 --> 00:46:41,280
feel like we're never gonna see these characters again, so

1088
00:46:41,320 --> 00:46:43,880
it's not like we're introducing new people. It's just something

1089
00:46:43,960 --> 00:46:45,800
to keep in mind in the background. I don't really

1090
00:46:45,880 --> 00:46:47,840
know what Fisk is gonna do about it either. I

1091
00:46:47,880 --> 00:46:50,039
feel like we're not really gonna pull on this thread anymore.

1092
00:46:51,159 --> 00:46:54,519
Speaker 1: I think to me, this was the last note of

1093
00:46:55,440 --> 00:46:58,440
because last week we started to see him. No, I

1094
00:46:58,519 --> 00:47:00,800
think it was last week, right the week before, when

1095
00:47:00,880 --> 00:47:03,719
they were at that situation, the wherever he wants to

1096
00:47:03,800 --> 00:47:05,679
tear down the district and rebuild. It was that last

1097
00:47:05,719 --> 00:47:07,519
week the week before when he's like, I want to

1098
00:47:07,559 --> 00:47:09,280
do this, and his personally like, well, you gotta do this,

1099
00:47:09,400 --> 00:47:10,639
this and this and this. I can't remember that.

1100
00:47:11,320 --> 00:47:12,679
Speaker 3: Yeah two, yeah, yeah.

1101
00:47:13,000 --> 00:47:17,320
Speaker 1: So I think this episode was to show that this

1102
00:47:17,559 --> 00:47:19,400
was his last dist effort, like I'm gonna try and

1103
00:47:19,440 --> 00:47:21,280
do it the right way, right, I'm going all these

1104
00:47:21,320 --> 00:47:24,559
people asking for money, trying to fundraise. You got the

1105
00:47:24,599 --> 00:47:27,559
Swordsman saying, oh, well, it's not a promise, it's a warning.

1106
00:47:27,559 --> 00:47:29,199
It's pretty much just saying like, don't do this, you're

1107
00:47:29,199 --> 00:47:32,000
gonna have issues. You had that blond lady who pretty

1108
00:47:32,039 --> 00:47:33,960
much just said like you'll probably be here for a

1109
00:47:34,000 --> 00:47:36,239
couple more years and then you'll go away, and you

1110
00:47:36,320 --> 00:47:37,800
know you can go back to your life, like just

1111
00:47:37,920 --> 00:47:40,400
kind of saying like you you're not one of us,

1112
00:47:40,559 --> 00:47:42,920
and you know you can have the power, you can

1113
00:47:42,960 --> 00:47:44,880
have the power position, but it doesn't mean you actually

1114
00:47:44,880 --> 00:47:46,760
have the power. So I think this was just the

1115
00:47:46,960 --> 00:47:49,760
last push to get him into Okay, now he's gonna

1116
00:47:49,760 --> 00:47:53,599
completely be doing crime mob stuff again, which to me,

1117
00:47:54,280 --> 00:47:57,199
they kind of we wondered this. I feel like all

1118
00:47:57,239 --> 00:47:58,840
way till the show is done, I feel like they

1119
00:47:58,960 --> 00:48:01,840
kind of revealed that Fisk was always trying to do

1120
00:48:01,960 --> 00:48:03,440
this as crime stuff. I don't know if you fell

1121
00:48:03,480 --> 00:48:05,760
back into it, but she kind of alluded that where

1122
00:48:05,800 --> 00:48:07,159
she's like, I know why you want to tear down

1123
00:48:07,199 --> 00:48:09,440
that building and there whatever that area, and it's like

1124
00:48:09,639 --> 00:48:12,039
just all for personal gain for what you used to do.

1125
00:48:12,880 --> 00:48:15,239
So again, maybe it's just by chance he wanted to

1126
00:48:15,280 --> 00:48:17,039
do something and it just lined up that way, but

1127
00:48:17,639 --> 00:48:19,519
it was almost insinuating in that. Okay, we got our

1128
00:48:19,559 --> 00:48:22,719
answer that Fisk was maybe never really really gonna try

1129
00:48:22,760 --> 00:48:25,280
to be clean, and if he did, he failed tremendously.

1130
00:48:26,280 --> 00:48:28,519
We kind of saw him in Vanessa bombing a little bit,

1131
00:48:28,639 --> 00:48:29,920
like I feel like this one of the first episodes

1132
00:48:29,960 --> 00:48:32,320
we didn't get much like a heat between them in

1133
00:48:32,440 --> 00:48:34,519
a bad way. So I think that could be good

1134
00:48:34,519 --> 00:48:36,320
for them. They were sitting on the bed, so I thought, oh,

1135
00:48:36,440 --> 00:48:41,159
something's gonna happen here. It didn't. But weird, I get

1136
00:48:41,199 --> 00:48:43,920
what they're doing, and I've seen comic fans excited for it.

1137
00:48:44,559 --> 00:48:48,360
Weird plot thread that like because he's becoming more like Kingpin,

1138
00:48:48,719 --> 00:48:52,360
He's like getting heavier. Not needed for me. It's like

1139
00:48:52,639 --> 00:48:55,559
I'm fine offensive in all feels like skinnier and lesway,

1140
00:48:55,559 --> 00:48:57,679
and he's still like evil Kingpin, Like I don't need

1141
00:48:57,800 --> 00:48:59,880
Kingpin to be like oh whenever he's bad, he's put

1142
00:49:00,079 --> 00:49:02,119
no weight. It's like I don't know. It's like, oh

1143
00:49:02,199 --> 00:49:04,079
my suits are ripping. And even says that Adam like,

1144
00:49:04,119 --> 00:49:05,639
oh I've gained this amount of weight in the last

1145
00:49:05,679 --> 00:49:09,199
three weeks. It's just like what like okay, cool, Like

1146
00:49:09,280 --> 00:49:13,159
it's it's a weird kind of thing. So yeah, that's

1147
00:49:13,199 --> 00:49:14,559
what I thought they were doing with it was just

1148
00:49:14,639 --> 00:49:17,880
a show. Okay, he's officially no longer and he made

1149
00:49:17,920 --> 00:49:20,000
that deal that bit not deal, but he told the

1150
00:49:20,000 --> 00:49:22,159
guy to pay him two million insteat of one point

1151
00:49:22,199 --> 00:49:24,039
eight or sorry, two point eight million instead of one

1152
00:49:24,079 --> 00:49:26,639
point eight million. That criminal showed up to his office

1153
00:49:26,639 --> 00:49:28,480
and he's trying doing some dealing and he's like kind

1154
00:49:28,480 --> 00:49:30,440
of getting some chuckles out of it. So I guess

1155
00:49:30,480 --> 00:49:32,119
that's what they are doing, is they're just showing that

1156
00:49:32,199 --> 00:49:34,360
he's I think, officially done. And then he did the

1157
00:49:34,400 --> 00:49:36,960
task force thing right where they lay out this whole

1158
00:49:37,039 --> 00:49:39,039
plan and he just like laughs at them all. He

1159
00:49:39,119 --> 00:49:42,199
laughs the cop, he laughs at his administration, everything like that,

1160
00:49:42,800 --> 00:49:46,719
and then he's gonna oversee these people. They're all bad apples,

1161
00:49:47,159 --> 00:49:49,480
as the cop says, and yeah, they're now the officially

1162
00:49:49,559 --> 00:49:52,719
the anti Vigilante task Force. And we covered it earlier.

1163
00:49:52,719 --> 00:49:54,480
I didn't like the speech and I thought that was

1164
00:49:54,559 --> 00:49:56,920
kind of not done the grace. Even we had that

1165
00:49:57,000 --> 00:49:58,679
dirty cop You're like, oh, why are we all here?

1166
00:49:58,760 --> 00:50:00,760
I even question like why is he questioning it? Like

1167
00:50:01,280 --> 00:50:03,559
no body cam? I feel like, what we know this character,

1168
00:50:03,760 --> 00:50:05,960
he would love this opportunity, like, oh, I can be

1169
00:50:05,960 --> 00:50:08,400
a police officer, not be like surveyed all like he

1170
00:50:08,519 --> 00:50:11,960
was gonna fucking kill a lawyer, an innocent blind lawyer.

1171
00:50:12,119 --> 00:50:16,639
Like so I was even confused why he was confused

1172
00:50:16,679 --> 00:50:18,559
that Fisk wanted to talk to him, you know, it's

1173
00:50:18,599 --> 00:50:19,960
like this to me is like, I get a jail

1174
00:50:20,000 --> 00:50:23,320
free card for him. But I don't know. Do you

1175
00:50:23,360 --> 00:50:24,920
have any thoughts on Also, we got one of their

1176
00:50:24,920 --> 00:50:28,400
scen but any thoughts on Fisk and Vanessa, the business stuff,

1177
00:50:28,440 --> 00:50:30,039
the anti task Force, et cetera.

1178
00:50:30,639 --> 00:50:32,920
Speaker 2: I felt like Fisk and Vanessa were coming closer together,

1179
00:50:33,039 --> 00:50:35,960
which happy to see. That felt like they were. She

1180
00:50:36,119 --> 00:50:38,000
was kind of providing him a little bit of insight

1181
00:50:38,119 --> 00:50:40,679
into the political side of things, and as he was admitting,

1182
00:50:41,000 --> 00:50:42,639
this is a whole new ball game for him. He's

1183
00:50:42,679 --> 00:50:44,440
used to other things. But I liked how he worded it.

1184
00:50:44,599 --> 00:50:47,360
You know, you're dealing with someone, you figure out what

1185
00:50:47,440 --> 00:50:50,119
they want most and either withhold it or you provide

1186
00:50:50,159 --> 00:50:51,719
it to them and they'll do anything for it. I

1187
00:50:51,920 --> 00:50:54,960
like that how he worded that. That's some of that

1188
00:50:55,119 --> 00:50:57,079
that Fisk that I like in the character, which.

1189
00:50:56,880 --> 00:50:58,960
Speaker 1: Is funny and gotten a lot. Yeah, but which is

1190
00:50:59,000 --> 00:51:02,559
funny because what is he doing to Adam. He's withholding

1191
00:51:02,639 --> 00:51:05,760
him right now, right like he's he what he described

1192
00:51:05,800 --> 00:51:09,599
he has to do to the the politicians. He's doing

1193
00:51:09,639 --> 00:51:12,079
that to Vanessa. She doesn't know it, but he's withholding

1194
00:51:12,079 --> 00:51:14,400
Adam in a cage somewhere for her not to talk

1195
00:51:14,519 --> 00:51:16,840
to or see or make love to whatever she wants

1196
00:51:16,840 --> 00:51:17,280
to do with them.

1197
00:51:17,320 --> 00:51:19,199
Speaker 3: You know, do you think she still wants to do

1198
00:51:19,239 --> 00:51:20,639
anything with him though? I thought she's kind of like

1199
00:51:20,679 --> 00:51:20,960
over it.

1200
00:51:22,920 --> 00:51:24,840
Speaker 1: I don't think so. But I also don't think she

1201
00:51:24,960 --> 00:51:26,880
wants fist to be holding them out like an animal.

1202
00:51:27,119 --> 00:51:30,159
You know, that might be especially what's going on now,

1203
00:51:30,360 --> 00:51:30,960
it's getting real.

1204
00:51:31,760 --> 00:51:33,559
Speaker 3: You know, she still thinks about those soft hands.

1205
00:51:34,280 --> 00:51:36,239
Speaker 1: I thought he was gonna blop him off this episode.

1206
00:51:36,320 --> 00:51:38,119
I actually thought that was gonna happen when he walked

1207
00:51:38,119 --> 00:51:40,719
down the axe. I thought that was his goal and

1208
00:51:40,800 --> 00:51:43,519
he's gonna like present them, but no, h.

1209
00:51:46,559 --> 00:51:48,800
Speaker 2: Yeah, so like his plan setting up the task force.

1210
00:51:48,960 --> 00:51:49,960
Speaker 1: I I like that.

1211
00:51:50,119 --> 00:51:52,880
Speaker 2: I think that's that's cool. I mean, we're coming full

1212
00:51:52,960 --> 00:51:54,719
circle bringing some of the cops in that were kind

1213
00:51:54,719 --> 00:51:57,440
of crupped, and it makes sense because they are the

1214
00:51:57,519 --> 00:51:59,599
ones that were responsible.

1215
00:51:59,079 --> 00:51:59,880
Speaker 3: For why Tiger.

1216
00:52:00,599 --> 00:52:03,320
Speaker 2: Uh So, I think, yeah, it's fitting for them to

1217
00:52:03,400 --> 00:52:05,320
kind of be leading the charge here and just what's

1218
00:52:05,440 --> 00:52:08,239
what's gonna happen. I'm curious to see where this dynamic

1219
00:52:08,400 --> 00:52:14,039
is gonna go. Though, when Matt's girlfriend is obviously I'm

1220
00:52:14,239 --> 00:52:16,599
assuming when I say this, maybe I'm being bold. Obviously

1221
00:52:16,679 --> 00:52:19,119
gonna be taking by Muse, and then that's gonna probably

1222
00:52:19,239 --> 00:52:22,960
involve Kingpin. I'm assuming because Kingpin and Vanessa, they it's

1223
00:52:23,039 --> 00:52:25,400
their shrinks, so they're gonna want to farerow what's going on.

1224
00:52:25,480 --> 00:52:27,679
And so you're gonna have this clash kind of everything

1225
00:52:27,719 --> 00:52:29,760
coming together between dared Devils trying to get his girlfriend

1226
00:52:29,840 --> 00:52:33,440
back and then Kingpin trying to find her with the

1227
00:52:33,880 --> 00:52:37,559
Vigilante anti task Force. So that'll be an interesting kind

1228
00:52:37,599 --> 00:52:39,079
of well clash.

1229
00:52:39,320 --> 00:52:42,400
Speaker 1: I think that's what's gonna Remember Fist gave him the

1230
00:52:42,480 --> 00:52:44,760
warning like if you put that costume on, he's gonna

1231
00:52:44,880 --> 00:52:46,840
rain down Holy hell on him. I think that's what

1232
00:52:47,039 --> 00:52:50,079
it's gonna be happening is And even Fisk might have

1233
00:52:50,239 --> 00:52:52,679
like some like if him and Vanessa feel like this

1234
00:52:52,800 --> 00:52:55,280
therapist are doing a good job in his eyes, it's like, hey,

1235
00:52:55,440 --> 00:52:59,679
muses adducted this you know, therapist that's been helping us

1236
00:52:59,719 --> 00:53:02,079
out in their eyes right now, maybe they'll have the

1237
00:53:02,119 --> 00:53:04,400
police track down like oh yeah, this creepy guy's been

1238
00:53:04,440 --> 00:53:07,800
watching the therapist, so he's just gonna think, Okay, our

1239
00:53:07,920 --> 00:53:10,679
therapist has been kidnapped by a serial killer. We should

1240
00:53:10,719 --> 00:53:12,639
go get her back and kill Mews right from his

1241
00:53:12,760 --> 00:53:14,840
point of view, And what I could see happening is

1242
00:53:14,920 --> 00:53:17,719
whether he's there or his task force is there, they're

1243
00:53:17,760 --> 00:53:19,840
gonna be trying to do a safe while Daredevil shows

1244
00:53:19,880 --> 00:53:21,800
up to a safe and that's how Fist finds out

1245
00:53:21,840 --> 00:53:24,719
that Matt is back, because whether he sees it or

1246
00:53:24,760 --> 00:53:27,320
the tasker lets him know, it's gonna be like the

1247
00:53:27,400 --> 00:53:29,360
jigs up. So then for season two, I think that's

1248
00:53:29,400 --> 00:53:32,119
where the showdown comes down because Fisk knows Daredevil's back,

1249
00:53:32,159 --> 00:53:35,440
and obviously he knows who Daredevil is, and again don't

1250
00:53:35,480 --> 00:53:37,360
know why he just doesn't right away go up to

1251
00:53:37,440 --> 00:53:40,159
his law firm and just shoot Matt Murdock. Now I'm

1252
00:53:40,239 --> 00:53:42,920
interested to see the reasoning how Mac can get out

1253
00:53:42,960 --> 00:53:45,639
of that. With Kingpin being the mayor being back to

1254
00:53:45,679 --> 00:53:48,400
a criminal knowing his identity, it feels like Matt should

1255
00:53:48,440 --> 00:53:50,880
have no way out of this situation, Like I don't

1256
00:53:50,880 --> 00:53:52,719
know what he can do against Kingpin right now, you know?

1257
00:53:52,920 --> 00:53:57,000
So that is something interesting. And then yeah, he goes

1258
00:53:57,039 --> 00:53:59,679
downstairs all see, I did like it. They kind of

1259
00:53:59,760 --> 00:54:02,119
ton the scenes and edit them together where Fisk and

1260
00:54:02,280 --> 00:54:05,239
Daredevil are both having the re emerging. Fisk is becoming

1261
00:54:05,239 --> 00:54:07,719
a full animal again and you know, going ben Yerk

1262
00:54:07,800 --> 00:54:10,480
on his ass, Daredevil's kicking Muse his ass. But yeah,

1263
00:54:10,559 --> 00:54:14,280
he goes down to Adam and the way they edit

1264
00:54:14,360 --> 00:54:16,320
it too, he was like walking downstairs with a shadow.

1265
00:54:16,360 --> 00:54:18,559
I thought he was also heading to the subway, which

1266
00:54:18,639 --> 00:54:20,639
is an axe by himself. I'm like, wow, this is bold.

1267
00:54:20,719 --> 00:54:25,400
He's he's really taking charge of this task force. But no,

1268
00:54:25,639 --> 00:54:27,559
he opens up the cage and he talks about all

1269
00:54:27,920 --> 00:54:29,519
things gonna be He talked about his weight game, but

1270
00:54:29,599 --> 00:54:31,320
he talks about the bounds of things and how they

1271
00:54:31,360 --> 00:54:34,159
gotta be fair and how an object can be a

1272
00:54:34,239 --> 00:54:36,679
great equalizer. So he throws it to at him. He

1273
00:54:36,760 --> 00:54:41,519
opens it. It's an axe does nothing. Fist just destroys

1274
00:54:41,679 --> 00:54:44,480
this man, but this does not kill him. He breaks

1275
00:54:44,559 --> 00:54:47,480
him down, bloods him up, beats him, throws them back

1276
00:54:47,519 --> 00:54:49,360
in the cell, and just just sitting there chilling with him.

1277
00:54:49,400 --> 00:54:51,280
So I guess it's just gonna be like a maybe

1278
00:54:51,400 --> 00:54:52,960
nightly routine for Fist, because he's.

1279
00:54:52,800 --> 00:54:55,000
Speaker 3: Just gonna go down there and beat up at the

1280
00:54:55,079 --> 00:54:55,920
dessert is just.

1281
00:54:57,760 --> 00:54:59,639
Speaker 1: Like I thought. Okay, he's gonna go and kill him,

1282
00:54:59,639 --> 00:55:01,480
but no, it's kind of worse. I feel like Adam

1283
00:55:01,480 --> 00:55:04,079
would maybe want him to just kill him, but he's not.

1284
00:55:04,280 --> 00:55:06,840
He's just a toy. So I like the scene, you know,

1285
00:55:06,880 --> 00:55:08,320
like I said, I think it was just a show. Okay,

1286
00:55:08,440 --> 00:55:13,000
Fisc is fully back. Now there's no potential good mayor

1287
00:55:13,079 --> 00:55:14,840
Fisk or he wants to do things by the book.

1288
00:55:15,239 --> 00:55:17,719
He's gonna be a monster going forward, which is good.

1289
00:55:17,760 --> 00:55:20,440
I think the last three episodes. And again I'm really

1290
00:55:20,519 --> 00:55:23,239
assuming with the Task Force being in season two, like

1291
00:55:23,360 --> 00:55:26,079
there's no way he should be getting locked up or

1292
00:55:26,119 --> 00:55:28,639
anything at the end of the season. Like, I'll be

1293
00:55:28,760 --> 00:55:31,519
very disappointed if Fisk is taken away from power.

1294
00:55:31,639 --> 00:55:34,320
Speaker 3: So that would be really really quick if that happened.

1295
00:55:34,639 --> 00:55:37,360
I feel like, now, considering he didn't kill him, I

1296
00:55:37,400 --> 00:55:39,840
think Vanessa's definitely finding him and that's gonna be the

1297
00:55:39,960 --> 00:55:42,760
final rift in there and maybe he yeah, maybe he

1298
00:55:42,880 --> 00:55:45,880
catches her. Maybe he walks down those stairs for his

1299
00:55:46,000 --> 00:55:48,679
nightly beating and then she's like down there and she

1300
00:55:48,800 --> 00:55:51,199
had just found him or something not that she was

1301
00:55:51,239 --> 00:55:54,880
like feeling his soft hands and just at the wrong

1302
00:55:54,960 --> 00:55:56,880
time she spots him. That kind of thing, and then

1303
00:55:57,280 --> 00:55:59,360
who knows what Fisk has to do to her to

1304
00:55:59,639 --> 00:56:03,280
get her to not spill that information. So, uh, yeah,

1305
00:56:03,320 --> 00:56:05,039
I think that. I think that's definitely happened now, considering

1306
00:56:05,119 --> 00:56:07,760
we've got the confrontration and he didn't kill him. Unless

1307
00:56:07,760 --> 00:56:08,960
he did kill him, I don't know. He very well

1308
00:56:08,960 --> 00:56:10,559
could just be dead on the floor and he.

1309
00:56:10,599 --> 00:56:13,079
Speaker 1: Could just be ye eternal bleeding and everything like that.

1310
00:56:13,239 --> 00:56:15,000
Speaker 3: It's only making a little more obvious though, if they

1311
00:56:15,599 --> 00:56:16,400
think's happening.

1312
00:56:16,760 --> 00:56:19,840
Speaker 1: Yeah, do you have any thoughts on Adam on the beatdown?

1313
00:56:20,280 --> 00:56:24,599
Speaker 2: I mean, I I thought maybe I blinked too quickly

1314
00:56:24,599 --> 00:56:28,719
because I thought that when Daredevil was fighting Muse and

1315
00:56:28,719 --> 00:56:31,280
the way the scene was unfolding here and Kingpin walked

1316
00:56:31,400 --> 00:56:33,920
up with this axe, is going downstairs like is Kingpin

1317
00:56:34,000 --> 00:56:36,639
coming to help fuck out Muse with Daredevil like coming

1318
00:56:36,639 --> 00:56:39,400
into the subway. But no, that was not the case,

1319
00:56:39,400 --> 00:56:40,760
because then you see Adam.

1320
00:56:40,920 --> 00:56:41,440
Speaker 1: In the south.

1321
00:56:41,519 --> 00:56:44,360
Speaker 2: I thought, oh shit, this poor bastard. I completely thought

1322
00:56:44,400 --> 00:56:47,199
that he was getting killed because I mean, the axe

1323
00:56:47,239 --> 00:56:51,760
and then fucking Kingpin throws him like his body bends

1324
00:56:51,800 --> 00:56:54,079
in a way it shouldn't into the ceiling, into the lights,

1325
00:56:54,159 --> 00:56:58,559
comes down the table. Thought this this fucking guy Toddler,

1326
00:56:59,000 --> 00:57:02,440
Yeah at all? Yeah, this this, I mean Andy should

1327
00:57:02,480 --> 00:57:05,559
have known, like Vanessa's putting the moves on. Her name

1328
00:57:05,599 --> 00:57:08,559
is missus Fisk and he Andy's like, yeah, I'm gonna go.

1329
00:57:08,760 --> 00:57:10,480
Speaker 1: Fis was gone though, this was gone for like.

1330
00:57:12,159 --> 00:57:14,239
Speaker 3: Remember but yes, I know, I know he was.

1331
00:57:14,360 --> 00:57:17,440
Speaker 2: But I mean, Andy, really you really think Fisk is gone?

1332
00:57:18,000 --> 00:57:20,599
I mean, come on, you're gonna that's that was dangerous.

1333
00:57:20,719 --> 00:57:21,599
That was dangerous.

1334
00:57:21,679 --> 00:57:25,280
Speaker 3: But uh yeah, Vanessa's got a lot going for right.

1335
00:57:25,320 --> 00:57:27,320
You know, I can see why any man would.

1336
00:57:27,840 --> 00:57:30,760
Speaker 2: Break any man with soft hands, soft hands.

1337
00:57:30,559 --> 00:57:32,119
Speaker 3: Yeah, you gotta have those soft hands.

1338
00:57:32,599 --> 00:57:35,800
Speaker 1: Do you think next week he like, uh fist strives

1339
00:57:35,800 --> 00:57:37,599
to do the same thing. He opens the gate, throws

1340
00:57:37,639 --> 00:57:41,800
the axe. Just just Andy, just self detonating, just take

1341
00:57:41,840 --> 00:57:44,119
that act like that's what I like I would do.

1342
00:57:44,679 --> 00:57:47,880
Speaker 3: Because just like, I don't think I've ever seen in

1343
00:57:47,960 --> 00:57:51,039
a movie where a character suicide is by acts, So

1344
00:57:51,199 --> 00:57:52,400
I mean that'd be different.

1345
00:57:53,000 --> 00:57:55,400
Speaker 1: Could be a first timer. You know, I just feel

1346
00:57:55,480 --> 00:57:57,920
like one not only is it painful, it has to

1347
00:57:58,039 --> 00:58:00,679
be demoralizing. Every night, this man that's coming in your

1348
00:58:00,719 --> 00:58:02,639
son just beating you up, like winning a one v

1349
00:58:02,760 --> 00:58:05,159
one like all the time, right, you have an axe too,

1350
00:58:05,559 --> 00:58:06,239
you have a weapon?

1351
00:58:06,320 --> 00:58:08,719
Speaker 3: Heat is not yeah, and every night you have more

1352
00:58:08,800 --> 00:58:11,360
like broken bones. So it's just getting worse and worse

1353
00:58:11,400 --> 00:58:11,880
for you too.

1354
00:58:13,000 --> 00:58:15,760
Speaker 1: So I'll be interest see what happens to uh Adam

1355
00:58:15,800 --> 00:58:16,960
in the next couple of weeks. Here.

1356
00:58:17,119 --> 00:58:18,239
Speaker 3: So ye, not looking good?

1357
00:58:18,679 --> 00:58:20,920
Speaker 1: No, not looking good? Let me put my notes here.

1358
00:58:20,960 --> 00:58:25,159
We talked about the swordsman. Yeah, did you guys feel

1359
00:58:25,320 --> 00:58:27,320
weird all like? Except do you guys feel weird all

1360
00:58:27,320 --> 00:58:29,320
about that? The cop scene where he's like, oh man,

1361
00:58:29,320 --> 00:58:30,840
I want to tell you this guy's back, but don't

1362
00:58:30,880 --> 00:58:32,719
do anything like. I just thought it was odd. I

1363
00:58:32,760 --> 00:58:36,199
feel like it just really wasn't needed the like I

1364
00:58:36,280 --> 00:58:38,400
guess they said up that the girl was going to

1365
00:58:38,440 --> 00:58:40,039
look for MWS, but I feel like you could have

1366
00:58:40,079 --> 00:58:42,199
had her do that as well too. You could have

1367
00:58:42,239 --> 00:58:44,920
had him learn about music. Just felt like it was clunky. Again,

1368
00:58:44,960 --> 00:58:46,320
he was only in there for one scene, so it

1369
00:58:46,400 --> 00:58:48,760
wasn't a big thing. But just felt it was odd.

1370
00:58:49,079 --> 00:58:50,639
Speaker 3: Sorry, which character? What are you talking about?

1371
00:58:51,079 --> 00:58:53,119
Speaker 1: The guy at the season where I can't remember his name.

1372
00:58:53,159 --> 00:58:55,039
He's like the bald cop. He was retired, he's like

1373
00:58:55,440 --> 00:58:58,079
a PI sometimes for Matt. And there's a scene this

1374
00:58:58,159 --> 00:58:59,960
episode where he sits him down and he's like, oh, yeah,

1375
00:59:00,199 --> 00:59:01,920
you know, I don't want you to hear it from

1376
00:59:01,960 --> 00:59:04,320
anybody else, and that's like hearing his heart because his

1377
00:59:04,440 --> 00:59:06,360
heart is being really fast, and he like tells him

1378
00:59:06,360 --> 00:59:08,519
about Muse, but he's telling him about mus so he

1379
00:59:08,559 --> 00:59:10,800
doesn't do anything, but Matt still does something. I just thought.

1380
00:59:11,000 --> 00:59:12,519
I just thought it was an odd scene, just didn't

1381
00:59:12,519 --> 00:59:12,880
work for me.

1382
00:59:13,079 --> 00:59:17,400
Speaker 3: But he's not even that memorable, so I forgot about

1383
00:59:17,400 --> 00:59:17,840
it completely.

1384
00:59:18,039 --> 00:59:20,719
Speaker 1: There you go. Yeah, that's all the notes I have

1385
00:59:20,920 --> 00:59:21,480
for this week.

1386
00:59:21,599 --> 00:59:25,199
Speaker 3: Anything else from you guys, I am noteless?

1387
00:59:25,880 --> 00:59:29,800
Speaker 1: All right, Well, hopefully next week we got some you know,

1388
00:59:29,840 --> 00:59:31,360
we are on the hat trick. And the good thing is,

1389
00:59:31,400 --> 00:59:34,480
I'm pretty sure it's been confirmed that I think episode

1390
00:59:34,519 --> 00:59:38,039
eight and nine are the ones that got majorly revamped,

1391
00:59:38,039 --> 00:59:42,519
so I'm hoping that added in. Is that? What? Yeah?

1392
00:59:42,639 --> 00:59:46,639
Speaker 3: So fucking give me set see And that's good as

1393
00:59:46,679 --> 00:59:47,440
much scene as we can.

1394
00:59:47,760 --> 00:59:49,639
Speaker 1: That's why you can have punished all on these shows.

1395
00:59:49,679 --> 00:59:52,039
You know, he sees mus boom over like just one

1396
00:59:52,239 --> 00:59:56,760
like he's picking the shotgun. It's done, you know, Adam,

1397
00:59:56,840 --> 00:59:59,519
it's over for you, you know so, but uh yeah,

1398
00:59:59,559 --> 01:00:01,199
so I'm ex to see you next week. We'll got

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Curvelin's thoughts and yeah, hopefully these last episodes we do

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got Matt back in the suit. Not that that means

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that's gonna be the good show, but I'm hoping that

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also leads some some more great actions in the moment.

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So we'll be back next week to talk about it

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and it will not be boring.

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Speaker 2: Bye bye bye