Speaker 1: It's night time with Dan Ray.
Speaker 2: I'm telling you easy Boston cit Radio.
Speaker 3: All right, we're talking about a problem in Brockton, Massachusetts.
Speaker 3: It is not necessarily just Brockton, Massachusetts. As a matter
Speaker 3: of fact, it's any major city in America, and that
Speaker 3: is the homeless problem in Brockton. It evidences itself with
Speaker 3: homeless encampments. Last hour, we talked with Brockton City Councilor
Speaker 3: Shirley Asak, one of seven councilors who have passed an
Speaker 3: ordinance basically giving police authority not only to move and
Speaker 3: close the encampments, but also to tell the homeless members
Speaker 3: of those the members of those encampments that if they continue,
Speaker 3: they face the possibility of being arrested or being summoned
Speaker 3: to court and presented with the two hundred dollars fine.
Speaker 3: And obviously if you don't pay a fine, you can
Speaker 3: end up spending some time in jail. So there's an
Speaker 3: effort by Brockton to solve the problem, if not solve
Speaker 3: the problem, at least impact the problem. Love to hear
Speaker 3: what you think. We have full lines to stick with it.
Speaker 3: I always appreciate when we find a subject that my
Speaker 3: audience can respond to. Sometimes you listen to interviews and
Speaker 3: you're delighted. But I can only tell if you like
Speaker 3: the subject by the number of phone callers that generate.
Speaker 3: So let's go to Scott and Quincy. Scott first, this
Speaker 3: hour and nightside your thoughts about what Brockton is doing.
Speaker 3: Quincy's not that far from Brockton.
Speaker 1: Go ahead, Scott, Well, sadly, it's a sign of the
Speaker 1: times and something that needs to be done in my opinion.
Speaker 1: If I remember, there are chapters of mass law that
Speaker 1: actually use the terms bums, tramps, and vagrants to describe
Speaker 1: persons who live on the streets without means.
Speaker 3: And well, I'm sure that's probably politically correct at this point,
Speaker 3: but you're probably factually correct.
Speaker 1: Yes, indeed, And you know many of your callers have
Speaker 1: made the point that it's a large problem, and you
Speaker 1: know there's there's nothing else to be done. Really, the
Speaker 1: the administration and law enforcement has to put their foot down,
Speaker 1: because there are people who who make a choice to
Speaker 1: be out there living on the streets, addicted to alcohol
Speaker 1: and other substances and living that lifestyle.
Speaker 4: They do.
Speaker 3: They make an intellectual choice or their lifestyle forces that
Speaker 3: choice upon them. Either way, it's it can't be tolerated.
Speaker 3: It has to be addressed. Uh, and we have cats
Speaker 3: problems in this country right now, and that this is
Speaker 3: one that needs to be addressed.
Speaker 1: I mean, can't we get back to having obs houses
Speaker 1: or poor farms places in the state where all these
Speaker 1: people can be collected and say all right, here you go,
Speaker 1: this is this is your home. Now you're you're going
Speaker 1: to grow crops. If you're going to you're going to
Speaker 1: live here until you get your life back together.
Speaker 3: I don't know that you're able to force people to
Speaker 3: work if they haven't committed a crime. If you've committed
Speaker 3: a crime and you're incarcerated, yeah, you can work in
Speaker 3: the light, producing license plates and all of that. These
Speaker 3: people are not probably committing crimes per se. And then
Speaker 3: the other question is you put them all on a
Speaker 3: farm if they're addicted. How's that going to solve the problem?
Speaker 1: Well, they would have to just work through their addiction
Speaker 1: without So isn't vagrancy a crime or has that been
Speaker 1: eliminated from the books by.
Speaker 3: Well, a lot of those crimes were eliminated because they
Speaker 3: were considered to be a vague, vague and capricious, capricious
Speaker 3: of the terms that are used. Okay, I think this
Speaker 3: is more specific, and I think it will pass muster
Speaker 3: under the decision the Court handed down Grant's Pass Oregon
Speaker 3: decision from last June, the end of last term, and
Speaker 3: that is that these people are engaging in activities which
Speaker 3: are detrimental to the community at large. I think people
Speaker 3: will will agree that if you're living outdoors and you
Speaker 3: have nowhere to avail yourself to take a shower, to
Speaker 3: you know, use a toilet when nature calls, and you're
Speaker 3: finding yourself doing what people do, what bears do in
Speaker 3: the woods, and you're doing it on Main Street, that's
Speaker 3: a problem. That's a problem. And I think that slowly
Speaker 3: but surely, the attitude of our population is kind of
Speaker 3: turning around a little bit here and saying, hey, we've
Speaker 3: tolerated this enough. It's been long enough. We've had Republican administrations,
Speaker 3: we've had democratic administrations. Now it is up to the communities.
Speaker 3: There was some conversation at this city council meeting when
Speaker 3: this ordinance was discussed that one of the councilors was, well, well,
Speaker 3: we really need here is some support, more money from
Speaker 3: Washington or from Beacon Hill guess what. Guess what. Those
Speaker 3: days are long since gone. And anyone who thinks that
Speaker 3: more money is coming from Washington to Beacon Hill not happening,
Speaker 3: not happening, Jack, So was that? And I think that
Speaker 3: a lot of these politics who think that way need
Speaker 3: its need for them to consider retiring and get out
Speaker 3: of the way, and let communities selects some people who
Speaker 3: want to actually solve these problems or at least begin
Speaker 3: to address the problems.
Speaker 1: I agree, local problems need local solutions.
Speaker 3: I'm with you totally. Scott has always appreciate your call,
Speaker 3: appreciate your support of my program. Thank you very much.
Speaker 1: Good night, Dan, good job, Thank you very much.
Speaker 3: Appreciate it. All right, take quick break here it is
Speaker 3: about fourteen minutes after. Don't want to short change anyone
Speaker 3: six one seven thirty six one, seven, nine, three, ten thirty.
Speaker 3: This is a good conversation. If you disagree with me,
Speaker 3: feel free to bring it on. I just think that
Speaker 3: we have reached a point. We're almost at a point
Speaker 3: of no return because I'm I feel exasperated. I've been
Speaker 3: doing this show. Now, we're into our eighteenth year. We've
Speaker 3: talked about these these issues periodically. The Supreme Court has
Speaker 3: given communities a green light last June in the in
Speaker 3: a Supreme Court decision out of Oregon. And it's up
Speaker 3: to unities to have some elected officials who have some backbones.
Speaker 3: There's nothing wrong with having a big heart, but you
Speaker 3: got to have a backbone too. Sometimes you're relying the heart.
Speaker 3: Sometimes you relig on the backbone. Back on Nights Side,
Speaker 3: we have full lines. We'll be back right after this.
Speaker 2: Now back to Dan Ray live from the Window World
Speaker 2: Night Sight Studios on WBZ News Radio.
Speaker 3: Okay, I have callers who have waited a long time here,
Speaker 3: and we're gonna go in order. Victor's next, followed by Sherry,
Speaker 3: and then we got Coptic, Thomas and Quincy. We'll get
Speaker 3: them all in and we're gonna move the train a
Speaker 3: little bit more quickly, starting with Victor in Boston. Victor,
Speaker 3: I want to hear what you have to say. Go
Speaker 3: right ahead, Victor.
Speaker 4: Hey, Dan, how you doing.
Speaker 5: That's a good topic.
Speaker 4: I'll start by saying, I, like some of the previous callers,
Speaker 4: I've been homeless twice, actually three times. It's not a
Speaker 4: good thing. I don't know not a drug user, but
Speaker 4: I do know that people who are and have been
Speaker 4: drug users. Unfortunately, most of them are not here now.
Speaker 4: They died by way of drugs or something, violence or whatever. Now, yeah,
Speaker 4: but it's not good.
Speaker 3: But basically victory. It's not a great career path, is
Speaker 3: what you're telling.
Speaker 4: Me, you know. And and another thing, I don't know
Speaker 4: why there are some people think that people who have
Speaker 4: been on drugs aren't educated or ignorant. I've known some
Speaker 4: very intelligent people who've gone that route. Okay, I think
Speaker 4: they had other issues. But the fact of the matter
Speaker 4: is that myself, I had to be proactive. I've had
Speaker 4: a job most of my life in some form. I
Speaker 4: just said I wasn't gonna keep on that path as
Speaker 4: far as not. You know, one bad thing happens. Now,
Speaker 4: some people will get get deterared by but some people won't.
Speaker 4: They might get a little down, but they'll find a way.
Speaker 4: I think that's what determination is all about, okay, because
Speaker 4: you're not gonna be able to lick everything just at
Speaker 4: the drop of a hat, but you gotta keep at it.
Speaker 4: Nothing good was ever accomplished without some effort and even pain.
Speaker 3: I think that if you're now living in a homeless
Speaker 3: encampment in Brockton, you have hit you've hit rock bottom,
Speaker 3: and well you've got to make a decision at that point.
Speaker 3: Not you, but I mean that person has to make
Speaker 3: a decision. Am I gonna take whatever help is being offered?
Speaker 3: Or am I going to just give up?
Speaker 4: People will give up most people a drug addict, you know,
Speaker 4: if they're really far gone, it's gonna you know, take
Speaker 4: a miracle for them to change their life, because you
Speaker 4: know it's not I mean, drugs is it's a it's
Speaker 4: a it's a very very bad evil, as most people
Speaker 4: know grown ups. But the people who are doing the
Speaker 4: drugs don't care what happens. They don't care about going
Speaker 4: to jail and camping out. That's nothing to them. Only
Speaker 4: if they really really want to get help, that's the
Speaker 4: only way.
Speaker 6: I don't think.
Speaker 4: You know that the city can do what it can do,
Speaker 4: but it's not going to deter a whole lot. It's
Speaker 4: up to the person, period.
Speaker 3: Absolutely, I understand that. But sometimes sometimes you need to
Speaker 3: get a wake up call. I don't know what your
Speaker 3: wake up call was, Victor. Maybe you had it internally
Speaker 3: in you.
Speaker 4: I did since I was a teenager and I was
Speaker 4: used to that. Yeah, it's it's not an easy thing.
Speaker 4: I understand that. But like I said, I've known people
Speaker 4: on drugs. These people had been high intellects okay, smarter
Speaker 4: than I was in some ways, but the drugs.
Speaker 7: It's the drugs, period.
Speaker 4: So you know I mean, and that's what I'm I'm
Speaker 4: getting at it. It's the person you gotta if the
Speaker 4: person had to do it, Dan, Seriously, if the person
Speaker 4: doesn't want to do it, think of all the influences
Speaker 4: out there. Their friends ain't gonna leave them alone. They're
Speaker 4: gonna make up their mind to say that's it. I'm
Speaker 4: gonna get help. I'm gonna do this no matter what
Speaker 4: it takes. Period.
Speaker 3: I'm with you. You've said it well and from your experience,
Speaker 3: you have a perspective that no one can argue with.
Speaker 3: Appreciate you call, Victor. Thank you so much for listening
Speaker 3: to the show, your your comments. Depending upon who heard
Speaker 3: you tonight, you may have turned someone's life around tonight
Speaker 3: by this phone call, whether you realize it or.
Speaker 4: Not, I hope so that's as well.
Speaker 3: Appreciate your call. Have a great night. Who's we gonna
Speaker 3: who we're gonna go next to? Oh? I know we're Gonna.
Speaker 3: Sherry is in Boston. Sherry, I appreciate your patience. You've
Speaker 3: been kind and held on. You are next on nightside, Sherry,
Speaker 3: go right ahead.
Speaker 8: Thank you so much. So obviously I don't have the answers.
Speaker 8: I'm a registered nurse many years. I travel through Boston.
Speaker 3: Thank you, thank you for what you do. By the way, Sherry,
Speaker 3: thank you.
Speaker 8: Thank you so much. So I travel through uh Mass
Speaker 8: and casts. That's the methodon Mile Boston Medical Center. Mayo
Speaker 8: Wool was trying to shift people from the Produce Center
Speaker 8: to uh Mass and cass and Melanie Melanie Bulevarie. I
Speaker 8: believe it's.
Speaker 3: Called Trina call.
Speaker 8: Yeah. So every day I go through there and I
Speaker 8: think about, like, how is this going to get better?
Speaker 8: Like what can we do for these people. They're obviously
Speaker 8: addicted to opiates and they come there to get their methadone,
Speaker 8: but they're using and abusing of the drugs. They she
Speaker 8: breaks down the encampments, she takes away their kents and
Speaker 8: their livelihoods, but they go to the neighborhoods. They steal
Speaker 8: what they can from those neighborhoods. And I'm witnessed of that,
Speaker 8: and how can we help this, you know, it's I don't.
Speaker 8: I'm not familiar with Brockton. I don't know about how
Speaker 8: we can help that area. But I think there's a
Speaker 8: huge problem going on by Boston Medical Center and being
Speaker 8: unnursed and yay.
Speaker 3: Yeah, sure, yeah, I'm sure the problem is the same
Speaker 3: and the causes are the same, and the solutions that
Speaker 3: would be the same. I think somehow, some way there
Speaker 3: has to be in many cases, almost a miracle that
Speaker 3: occurs and someone realizes, hey, my life is worth more
Speaker 3: than what I'm doing to myself.
Speaker 8: That's no no, because you know what, Unfortunately, they're so high,
Speaker 8: they're so stoned, they're so out of their minds that
Speaker 8: they can't think clear.
Speaker 3: Okay, so what do you think that? What do you
Speaker 3: think the solution is? You know more about it probably
Speaker 3: than I do. What do you think is the solution
Speaker 3: if there is one?
Speaker 8: So my opinion and my thoughts registered nurse, is that
Speaker 8: maybe we can create safe injection sites like Europe has
Speaker 8: in the mass and cast area. There's like prisons that
Speaker 8: are vacated, and maybe we can like put all the
Speaker 8: homble system in that area in those vacated prisons and
Speaker 8: keep them open, but have a curfew they can have
Speaker 8: and have registered nurses. Like we'll provide them their meals
Speaker 8: like breakfast, lunch, and dinner if like you know, obviously
Speaker 8: a lot of times there's no appetite there, but we'll
Speaker 8: provide them food, will provide them facilities where they can vacate, stool, urine, shower,
Speaker 8: they can all be you know, in one area and
Speaker 8: registered nurses can you know, inject them with whatever they
Speaker 8: need to come down from that addiction and then start
Speaker 8: the methadone and then start the programs of you know, uh,
Speaker 8: getting out of the addiction, giving them some skills, some
Speaker 8: abilities so they can be productive citizens, and you know,
Speaker 8: start to transition them and give them support to the transition,
Speaker 8: giving them work opportunities and with the employer knowing fully
Speaker 8: that they're coming from this program, and the government supporting
Speaker 8: the supplement of the income so the employer doesn't have
Speaker 8: to completely pay them, and it's just a complete transition
Speaker 8: to getting them healthy again, to getting them feel confident
Speaker 8: to get Let me ask let.
Speaker 3: Me ask you a question, Sherry, what do you think
Speaker 3: it would cost the government to do that for each
Speaker 3: of the addicts? What how how much money do you
Speaker 3: think you'd have to spend all.
Speaker 8: I really have no idea, that's all I know. All
Speaker 8: I know is when I drive through this area.
Speaker 3: Oh no, you have a good heart. You have a
Speaker 3: good heart. Here's my question. Money does not grow on
Speaker 3: trees and the government to do that, it would call
Speaker 3: and first of all, I don't know if it would
Speaker 3: succeed number one, Okay, to be honest with you, but
Speaker 3: let's assume it did. You then are going to have
Speaker 3: to take money out of other government programs. Where do
Speaker 3: you take the money out? If you take it out
Speaker 3: of schools, do you take it out of programs for
Speaker 3: for elderly people? Where does the money come from? I mean,
Speaker 3: it's unfortunately. I don't know if any trees that are
Speaker 3: growing one hundred dollar bills, and if you find some,
Speaker 3: let me know. I really don't language.
Speaker 4: Down.
Speaker 3: Yeah, no, it's a problem. It's a problem, and we've
Speaker 3: spent a lot of money. They had a place down
Speaker 3: there was called the Round Hotel. Are you're familiar with
Speaker 3: the place down Yeah?
Speaker 8: I am, And they started to let drug outs and
Speaker 8: it now pulls down. That was a really poor mistake, I.
Speaker 3: Guess it was. But but a lot of the people
Speaker 3: who would be. It was what I think it was called.
Speaker 3: They called it a low threshold location, which meant people
Speaker 3: could go outside, shoot up outside, and then come back inside.
Speaker 3: And it was.
Speaker 8: They had macuss up against the walls, they were having sex,
Speaker 8: and they were selling themselves. It's disgusting. It's the calls
Speaker 8: of drugs and it's just.
Speaker 3: Let's see, let's see if if many people out there
Speaker 3: support your idea. It's a very generous idea that you.
Speaker 8: Have, that you were safe injection sites. We need a
Speaker 8: place to put them up Long Island will the the
Speaker 8: bridge was blown up. They're trying to get Quincy to
Speaker 8: bring that bridge back.
Speaker 3: You know.
Speaker 8: It's but obviously there's a lot of opposition because they
Speaker 8: don't want the drug addicts either.
Speaker 3: I can't of imagine why. I kind of imagine why
Speaker 3: the people I kind of imagine why the people in Quincy.
Speaker 8: I conversation. I'm at me and throwing things in front
Speaker 8: of my car to.
Speaker 3: Try to count.
Speaker 8: I know, I don't I don't have the answer.
Speaker 3: But yeah, right Sherry, I think You've made a lot
Speaker 3: of great points, but unfortunately I'm trying to have a
Speaker 3: conversation with you, and right now I'm a little frustrated,
Speaker 3: and I got the news coming at me. So let's
Speaker 3: see what people have to think to have to say
Speaker 3: they maybe there's more people out there who agree with you,
Speaker 3: and they'll call in and agree with you. Thank you, Sherry,
Speaker 3: appreciate your call. Have a great night. Here comes the
Speaker 3: news back on Nightside. Right after this.
Speaker 2: Night Side with Dan Ray, I'm w BSY, Boston's news radio.
Speaker 3: Here we go. Let's go next to gonna again to
Speaker 3: is coptic coptic? You were next to nights. I appreciate
Speaker 3: your patience. Go right head coptic.
Speaker 6: Hey Dan, how are you doing?
Speaker 5: Talk you?
Speaker 3: Yeah, that's not my fault. Coptic at six one, seven, two,
Speaker 3: five thirty right a headpal.
Speaker 5: Yeah, I really uh agree one hundred percent with the
Speaker 5: previous caller. That just some nurse. That's why I was
Speaker 5: gonna say my opinion about that. The uh and instead
Speaker 5: of the home homeless in Boston or Barkton or anywhere,
Speaker 5: it's gonna be with no control. We cannot control them
Speaker 5: because they are everywhere. I was suggest as like to
Speaker 5: have a fenced camp, Like there's a fence surrounding this
Speaker 5: camp and all of them is gonna stay there with
Speaker 5: all facilities like shower, like place like the medical support
Speaker 5: and all of this stuff. But as you mentioned, who's
Speaker 5: gonna pay for all of these costs? The government is
Speaker 5: gonna be very tough for the government. But I have
Speaker 5: an idea. Well, the idea is not all of these
Speaker 5: drug addicts and all of this homeless. They are one
Speaker 5: hundred percent hopeless cases. No, I believe that if we
Speaker 5: can filter them, you can find like different levels people
Speaker 5: like twenty percent. They still can be productive not consumer.
Speaker 5: You know, we can engage them in some easy works,
Speaker 5: you know, like fixing cars, carpentry or whatever, so they
Speaker 5: can't do some work. But the other others, other cases
Speaker 5: like which is hopeless, this is different. We're gonna we
Speaker 5: canna keep them like in a side, you know, with
Speaker 5: the work of the social workers, the nurses, doctors, all
Speaker 5: the medication, all of this stuff. But still you're gonna
Speaker 5: first you're gonna keep them in one place with control,
Speaker 5: you know, better than to leave them everywhere.
Speaker 7: You know, like is.
Speaker 5: Gonna be like very very very bad idea.
Speaker 3: So how are you gonna how are you gonna get
Speaker 3: control of them? And they live in a free society? Uh,
Speaker 3: in order to put them somewhere in a place where
Speaker 3: they're fenced in. You're gonna have to charge them or
Speaker 3: convict them of some crime. You can't deprive people of
Speaker 3: their liberty just because of their status as a drug addict.
Speaker 6: That's what I'm saying.
Speaker 5: You know, we're gonna keep them in a in a
Speaker 5: big place like affinsic camp or something like that, very much, But.
Speaker 3: Can think you missed my question. What if they don't
Speaker 3: want to go into the big place in the camp,
Speaker 3: how do you force them in there?
Speaker 5: I understand. But at the same time, if they refuse
Speaker 5: to pay whatever the fee which you said, like two
Speaker 5: hundred bucks of all of the stuff, and then you're
Speaker 5: gonna put them into jail, I believe this is not
Speaker 5: a good idea to you know, to keep them in
Speaker 5: the jail or to keep them in all of this stuff. Again,
Speaker 5: I understand your question very well. How are you gonna
Speaker 5: force them? Uh these people who has like no control
Speaker 5: or nowhere about what they're doing. They need to be
Speaker 5: uh like handled with some physician, like nurses, some people
Speaker 5: like I.
Speaker 3: Got it, I got you, I got your point. I
Speaker 3: still think that in order to deprive them of their liberty,
Speaker 3: you're gonna have to convict them of a crime. And
Speaker 3: I think, again, this is this is a difficult thing.
Speaker 3: We live in a free society where people can become
Speaker 3: drunks if they want, and we've supported them in our society.
Speaker 3: But you know, we look at it. We look at
Speaker 3: it as a disease. We look at we don't look
Speaker 3: at as something that these folks had done to themselves.
Speaker 3: We look at it as a condition that they have
Speaker 3: found themselves in. And therefore we have to be very careful.
Speaker 3: We just can't round people up and put them in
Speaker 3: a day, even if it's a nice situation. You know,
Speaker 3: That's all I'm saying.
Speaker 5: Legally, I have another thing, just less the thing that
Speaker 5: you want to mention. You know, we are dealing with
Speaker 5: this problem because it already exists. But we can work
Speaker 5: and something to stop doing to stop happening in the future. Like,
Speaker 5: for example, we have to teach our kids in the
Speaker 5: school that you guys, this is the results when you
Speaker 5: go in the way of the drugs and all of
Speaker 5: this stuff. You guys, you need to be smart.
Speaker 3: We tried to do that. Remember all the programs in
Speaker 3: the schools just say no. That was an abysmal failure.
Speaker 3: They had all the police officers that come in and
Speaker 3: talk to the kids and remember the ads this is your
Speaker 3: drug that they'd take an egg and crack it and
Speaker 3: put it on the sidewalk and this is your your
Speaker 3: brain on drugs.
Speaker 5: And sometimes when you like lit them, make a trip
Speaker 5: to the jails or the prisons. Tell them this is
Speaker 5: going to be your end. If you did something wrong.
Speaker 3: They call that scared That program they've done, they called
Speaker 3: it scared straight. And there are a lot of people
Speaker 3: who are upset about that. You have great ideas, Coptic.
Speaker 3: Some of them are different, some of them are new.
Speaker 3: Let's see what people say if they if they like
Speaker 3: your ideas. Okay, thank you Coptic as always appreciate your call.
Speaker 3: Have a great one. Okay, let me go next to
Speaker 3: moving people a little bit more quickly. Johns and Braintreet John,
Speaker 3: you're next time, niceaga right hand?
Speaker 7: Hey, Hey Dan, how are your captain handsite? How are
Speaker 7: you doing that?
Speaker 3: Captain hindsight?
Speaker 7: How are you fantastic? Time to report again? Hey, just
Speaker 7: a quick note, this is a real difficult thing all
Speaker 7: over the country. All that, and I wonder if there's
Speaker 7: a way we could start using the you know, everybody's
Speaker 7: looking for a space, looking for a space way to
Speaker 7: do it. I'm wondering if we could consider using the
Speaker 7: campgrounds that we have, like mile standards and any other
Speaker 7: parks that aren't you know, necessarily I don't know that
Speaker 7: they're obviously not being used during the winter anyway, but
Speaker 7: I'm wondering. Somebody spoke earlier about, Yeah, you've got to
Speaker 7: convict them of something, I mean, a three strike vacancy,
Speaker 7: and you've got to go in this You've got to
Speaker 7: go in this community and there'll be opportunities there. They'll
Speaker 7: you know, obviously they're going to have everything everybody told said,
Speaker 7: you know, bathrooms and nurses and stuff like that. And
Speaker 7: is it are we paying more now to try and
Speaker 7: fight the crime and losing the business because people don't
Speaker 7: want to go in these areas, these kuys. You know,
Speaker 7: I'm very empathetic because I know a lot of them
Speaker 7: are mentally ill, and but they don't have a right
Speaker 7: to interfere with business and to interfere with people on
Speaker 7: their way to work. It is a free country, but
Speaker 7: not if you're interfering. And maybe there's a way we
Speaker 7: can enforce that three strike vagrancy rule or something, and
Speaker 7: then you get six months or a year in the
Speaker 7: camp there, and you'll have an opportunity to make money.
Speaker 7: If you want to make money to get your drugs,
Speaker 7: you'll have an you know, depending on the situation, because
Speaker 7: as somebody earlier said, they're all they're all there for
Speaker 7: different reasons. But I think I wish I knew what
Speaker 7: percentages of it is just mental illness, which percentage is
Speaker 7: drug addiction? So what do you think of that?
Speaker 3: Probably in most cases a combination of both, you know, right,
Speaker 3: I mean I would think, yeah, to be honest with.
Speaker 7: You, but I know it's a free country. But do
Speaker 7: they have a right to do what they're doing in
Speaker 7: San Francisco to Brockton, to Boston to all these places?
Speaker 3: And well, what happens is you have you have the
Speaker 3: groupsite the A c l U who say, look that
Speaker 3: the definition of a crime of being a vagrant, that's
Speaker 3: arbitrary and capricious, and it's it's vague, arbitrary and capricious,
Speaker 3: it's unconstitutional. I mean, that's what has happened.
Speaker 7: Oh I didn't realize that.
Speaker 3: Well, yeah, oh no, that's what they do to enforce
Speaker 3: that law. Now, I do think that you can. You
Speaker 3: can probably go in your direction, and I think that
Speaker 3: society will over time come to understand that something needs
Speaker 3: to be done. I mean, we just saw it in
Speaker 3: the election. You know, we had been going along in
Speaker 3: one direction for for many years, and the country just
Speaker 3: voted for substantial change. And I think if you look
Speaker 3: at Trump's cabinet appointments, we're going to get substantial change,
Speaker 3: for better or worse.
Speaker 7: Yeah, but you know, it was an experiment that you know,
Speaker 7: and I jokingly say this, but who said democracy was
Speaker 7: going to be around forever? You know? I mean, who's
Speaker 7: arrogant enough to I mean, I love it. Don't get
Speaker 7: me wrong. I'm not taking aside yet, but I want
Speaker 7: to be the devil's advocate and say, you know, who
Speaker 7: says democracy is supposed to last forever? Okay? Maybe I hope.
Speaker 3: I mean, we we have That's my but I'm trying
Speaker 3: to We have we have a we have a brilliant
Speaker 3: form of government. We have balance of power, we have
Speaker 3: you know, three branches, and there's checks and balances. And
Speaker 3: if if the new president or the president in the
Speaker 3: second term does something that that is challengeable, it'll get challenged.
Speaker 3: I hope that the Democrats give him a chance, and
Speaker 3: I and I also hope that they give the city
Speaker 3: of Brockton a chance. Here. If Brockton can make this
Speaker 3: better by enforcing this now, maybe these people will just
Speaker 3: relocate to another city. I don't know.
Speaker 7: I don't know, but that's just rolling the kicking the
Speaker 7: can down. And you know, I want to make mention
Speaker 7: one or anything about somebody told me, I don't know
Speaker 7: this is true, but they had visited India and they
Speaker 7: said India doesn't have any security over there. If you're handicapped,
Speaker 7: if you're a drug you still got to work to
Speaker 7: pay your way to get your food.
Speaker 9: You know.
Speaker 7: And I'm like, wow, really, you know.
Speaker 3: That is also that is also a country with an
Speaker 3: incredible population. Their population is only second in China. I
Speaker 3: don't think they're concerned about people dying in the streets
Speaker 3: over there, to be really exactly. I think that particularly
Speaker 3: now in the upper middle, they have a you know,
Speaker 3: INDI India comes out of a situation where they had
Speaker 3: a caste system where if you were born poor, you
Speaker 3: could never get out of that system. We have a
Speaker 3: system which is part of our democracy, where you can
Speaker 3: move up. Look at the guy who's the next vice
Speaker 3: president of the United States. He's forty years old. He
Speaker 3: was born into abject poverty. JD. Vance has had a
Speaker 3: different last He's had three different last names. You know.
Speaker 3: His birth name was Bowman. He then had a step
Speaker 3: dad whose name was Hamil. His name was JD. Hammel
Speaker 3: for a while, and finally he assumed his mother's family
Speaker 3: named JD. Vance. And this guy's the vice president. I
Speaker 3: staged at the age of forty. It's an unbelievable story.
Speaker 3: He was born into poverty that you and I would
Speaker 3: never have known. Captain Hindsight really true.
Speaker 7: I've admit we've been very fortunate. I've had enough of
Speaker 7: mental and physical health to be a little work like
Speaker 7: a dog on my life and get ahead.
Speaker 3: You got it. You've got a Captain Hindsight always great.
Speaker 3: Good to see you, talk to you. Come back soon. Okay,
Speaker 3: thanks John, we'll take it. We'll take a quick break. Here.
Speaker 3: I got who's up next?
Speaker 2: Out?
Speaker 3: We got Linda, I got Gene, I got Tom, I
Speaker 3: got Mike. We got room for you at six one, seven,
Speaker 3: two thirty.
Speaker 2: Now back to Dan Ray Mine from the window World
Speaker 2: night Side Studios on de Wite b Z News Radio.
Speaker 3: All right, let's keep rolling here, going to go to
Speaker 3: Linda in Weymouth. Linda, you are in Weymouth, not far
Speaker 3: from Brock to go ahead, Linda.
Speaker 10: Yes, are you saying brockdon b R Because I have
Speaker 10: a hearing thing and I'm hearing Rockland sometimes.
Speaker 3: No, we're talking about brought.
Speaker 4: The Home of Champions exactly.
Speaker 10: Okay. I've been involved in years passed down at Puck's
Speaker 10: Pine straight in in Boston and also by the Bills,
Speaker 10: so I kind of get a feel for the clientele
Speaker 10: that you're speaking of. I understand fully. You know you're
Speaker 10: putting a fine on them and so forth. But along
Speaker 10: with that fine, the gentlemen to callers before had some
Speaker 10: good ideas, and I want a duct tail on some
Speaker 10: of them. Put them, you know, they talked them about
Speaker 10: how much it's going to cost for all this. Give
Speaker 10: them some jobs like picking up these needles, taking care
Speaker 10: of the facilities the area, and I'm sure they'll get
Speaker 10: some sort of respect for what they're creating. I am
Speaker 10: tossing their needles.
Speaker 3: Okay, that's a thought. No one has mentioned that before.
Speaker 3: I like that idea.
Speaker 10: I mean, where they're going to go though. But you know,
Speaker 10: like the people that i've that are down there at
Speaker 10: some of the facilities there, as you say, they have
Speaker 10: restrictions on drug usage, et cetera, and so you get
Speaker 10: a different clientele than the people that are on mass cast.
Speaker 3: All right, well that's some good suggestions, Linda, thank you,
Speaker 3: thanks for calling.
Speaker 10: That's basically what I'm going to saying. I don't need
Speaker 10: to expound on it.
Speaker 3: So you did a good job.
Speaker 10: Welcome night, good night.
Speaker 3: Let me go next to Thomas and Quincy Thomas next
Speaker 3: on nightside, go right ahead.
Speaker 5: Oh, mister Danry, how are you, sir?
Speaker 3: I'm doing fine. Mister Thomas, how are you?
Speaker 11: Oh, I'm fantastic. Okay, I'm gonna this is a conundrum
Speaker 11: that in my lifetime they probably will be thought upon,
Speaker 11: but not in the ways that will be acted upon.
Speaker 11: So many thoughtful callers coming in. Right, But here's my dream.
Speaker 11: We have these multi multi billionaires basils mosque in them.
Speaker 5: Right, they have these massive.
Speaker 11: Campuses, you know, Silicon Valley. What if they invest in
Speaker 11: the human species, right with a massive campus? Right, were
Speaker 11: taking everybody off the street, right, drug addicted or not,
Speaker 11: homeless or not.
Speaker 5: They're come inside know said, well that could be a
Speaker 5: cult or this and you sign the wail.
Speaker 11: Now we retrain you based on blah blah blah, this
Speaker 11: and that blah blah blah. This is feasible ultimately because
Speaker 11: you can't use they use feasible by town. Bring it,
Speaker 11: Dan Ray question, May I finish my point?
Speaker 3: Yes, I had a question for you. If I had
Speaker 3: a question, yes for you my question absolutely, sir. On
Speaker 3: these campuses that you envision, can they still use their drugs?
Speaker 5: Absolutely not, absolutely not.
Speaker 3: That could be a problem. I agree with you, But
Speaker 3: that could be a problem when.
Speaker 11: When when when you're intake, we go to an extensive
Speaker 11: detoxication process, which happens you know regularly in the state
Speaker 11: run facilities. But anyways, the conundrum is this, uh, fifty
Speaker 11: to sixty homeless in the city of Brockton. That that
Speaker 11: that is like, uh, you know who come over that number?
Speaker 2: Double that?
Speaker 5: Trible that and then and.
Speaker 11: Then and then couldn't double that again and again it's
Speaker 11: over one thousand people that I know.
Speaker 3: That conversation, don't you think? Absolutely explain that number to you.
Speaker 3: The fifty to sixty the number that was quoted to me.
Speaker 3: And I didn't do a survey. But the number that
Speaker 3: was quoted to me was these were the people who
Speaker 3: were chronically sleeping outdoors, setting up tens in public areas.
Speaker 3: There's more homeless people than fifty or sixty in a
Speaker 3: city like Brocklyn, because Brockden has one hundred thousand people.
Speaker 3: But apparently these are the chronically homeless who are now
Speaker 3: living outdoors and basically doing everything that you and I
Speaker 3: might do indoors. If you get my drift outdoors.
Speaker 5: That's absolutely unacceptable. And here's where I got vexed when
Speaker 5: they said there was a new.
Speaker 11: Priest at the church. You have to print people that
Speaker 11: you know choose to evacuate themselves around the church, because
Speaker 11: a church has no twenty.
Speaker 5: Four us to those people. You know something, there's a
Speaker 5: reason there by the church. Yes, you're not doing the
Speaker 5: right thing, but there's a reason they're by the church.
Speaker 5: Tell us why, Thomas, Actually, in my heart, for the
Speaker 5: purity of the call, there's a reason there by the church,
Speaker 5: maybe reason, maybe somewhere in their soul they're asking for forgiveness.
Speaker 3: Yeah, okay, fair enough, interesting points. Thanks Thomas, you're gonna
Speaker 3: get one more in here. Thank you much for your question.
Speaker 3: Good night, bye, good night, mister Thomas, have a good
Speaker 3: one and cannumber. One of my favorite conundrum, one of
Speaker 3: my favorite words in the dictionary. Jeane and average Jean.
Speaker 3: We're gonna wrap the hour with you here, go right ahead.
Speaker 9: Okay, thank you, Dan. This is a good subject. So anyway,
Speaker 9: this problem has been spread out into Boston onto three months,
Speaker 9: three Boilston three Boston God, and you know, no one
Speaker 9: can feel safe. They're shooting drugs up all over the
Speaker 9: place and people are afraid, can't even use the subway.
Speaker 9: So the mayor has to step into and get, you know,
Speaker 9: try to get some help.
Speaker 3: She's building, she's building bike lanes. Come on, she's got
Speaker 3: a she's got her plate is full, building bike.
Speaker 9: She's going to have to break, break that schedule and
Speaker 9: get some street workers out there to try to help
Speaker 9: these people. Winters coming, and it's going to get more dangerous.
Speaker 9: But you know, when workers can't walk back and forth
Speaker 9: to work and don't feel safe, it's not good.
Speaker 3: No, it's it's absolutely not good. There's a lot of
Speaker 3: problems than in Boston right now. We got problems with
Speaker 3: school buses running on time. We got problems getting enough
Speaker 3: ballots to people to vote on job. We got bike
Speaker 3: We got a lot of bike lanes in Boston. So
Speaker 3: if you're a bike rider, you're a happy camper.
Speaker 9: I give I give them an F for everything else though,
Speaker 9: flindliness that I have a right not to get hepatitis
Speaker 9: when I'm walking down the street.
Speaker 3: Too, I totally agree with you. Look, I'm on your side.
Speaker 3: I'm giving them an F on bike lanes too. Gene,
Speaker 3: by the way.
Speaker 9: I mean yeah, I mean it's just a world that
Speaker 9: they want the children to grow up into.
Speaker 3: They don't care about the children. They care about getting
Speaker 3: re elected. Come on, you know that as well as
Speaker 3: I do.
Speaker 9: Something has to change. Thank you, dam have a good night,
Speaker 9: you took.
Speaker 3: I'm going to get one more in as it's out
Speaker 3: of Jean's kindness. Who's next here? Mike and Lynn? Mike,
Speaker 3: we're going to get you in. They got about three
Speaker 3: minutes for you.
Speaker 6: Go ahead, Mike, mister Dan, how you doing good sir?
Speaker 3: We're a little tight on time, but I get to
Speaker 3: get you and you want to wait through the news,
Speaker 3: go right ahead.
Speaker 6: I know this is my second time calling you, and
Speaker 6: and I'll tell you one thing. You are a great person.
Speaker 3: I don't know about that, but I appreciate the compliments. Sir,
Speaker 3: go right ahead. What's your thought on this subject?
Speaker 6: My subject is like what I think about all the
Speaker 6: people they call you is they think this people the homeless,
Speaker 6: they're nobody. They do not deserve to be on a street.
Speaker 6: They deserve to be on jail. But there are good people.
Speaker 6: I tell you the reason. Want my experience. I get
Speaker 6: up every single morning, three three in the morning, tank shower.
Speaker 6: I'm with a definite donor.
Speaker 5: I'm this guy.
Speaker 6: He's homeless, So I buy him a coffee and I'm
Speaker 6: talking to him. I guess what, he's a brain.
Speaker 1: Really become homeless?
Speaker 6: Yeah, he become homeless because his wife and he's going
Speaker 6: to be the car accident as I die.
Speaker 3: Oh no, I'm sorry to hear that. Yeah, that's circumstances
Speaker 3: in people's lives. Mike. Wow, that's that's an amazing story.
Speaker 3: That's an amazing story.
Speaker 6: I become tread with him and I have a triple
Speaker 6: desho and I give him one of my in my
Speaker 6: house and he's given red tree. I want to give
Speaker 6: him taking chance in life.
Speaker 3: Wow, you're a good person, Mike. You're a very good person.
Speaker 3: You are you were that guy's guardian angel. It's as
Speaker 3: simple as that. I hope that he appreciates it, and
Speaker 3: I hope you can get him back in the practice
Speaker 3: of medicine.
Speaker 6: Miss. Then I'll tell you this. The last three callers
Speaker 6: they call, they all have heat about people homeless on
Speaker 6: the street, but they don't understand the fact is people
Speaker 6: on the street, Dad, they become homeless because they don't
Speaker 6: know how to climb the hill. Need somebody to have that.
Speaker 3: All right, Mike, thank you for what you did, and
Speaker 3: thank you for this call. So an inspirational phone call
Speaker 3: and God love you. Thanks Mike. We'll talk soon. We'll
Speaker 3: look forward to your next call. Have a great one. Uh,
Speaker 3: if you'd like to continue on this issue, let's stick
Speaker 3: with it, Mark and Matt I got room at six one, seven, two, five, four,
Speaker 3: ten thirty and at six one seven ninety. Light them
Speaker 3: up and we can continue on this topic. It's been
Speaker 3: a really good topic for two hours. Let's keep it going.
Speaker 3: If not, we're going to talk about another issue. Coming
Speaker 3: back on Night Side.