WEBVTT 1 00:00:01.040 --> 00:00:02.680 It's night time with Dan Ray. 2 00:00:03.319 --> 00:00:06.000 I'm telling you easy Boston cit Radio. 3 00:00:07.080 --> 00:00:10.640 All right, we're talking about a problem in Brockton, Massachusetts. 4 00:00:10.720 --> 00:00:14.000 It is not necessarily just Brockton, Massachusetts. As a matter 5 00:00:14.000 --> 00:00:16.879 of fact, it's any major city in America, and that 6 00:00:17.199 --> 00:00:21.320 is the homeless problem in Brockton. It evidences itself with 7 00:00:21.640 --> 00:00:24.760 homeless encampments. Last hour, we talked with Brockton City Councilor 8 00:00:24.879 --> 00:00:28.160 Shirley Asak, one of seven councilors who have passed an 9 00:00:28.320 --> 00:00:32.280 ordinance basically giving police authority not only to move and 10 00:00:32.359 --> 00:00:35.560 close the encampments, but also to tell the homeless members 11 00:00:35.560 --> 00:00:38.880 of those the members of those encampments that if they continue, 12 00:00:39.359 --> 00:00:43.640 they face the possibility of being arrested or being summoned 13 00:00:43.640 --> 00:00:46.000 to court and presented with the two hundred dollars fine. 14 00:00:46.119 --> 00:00:48.759 And obviously if you don't pay a fine, you can 15 00:00:48.880 --> 00:00:52.000 end up spending some time in jail. So there's an 16 00:00:52.039 --> 00:00:55.280 effort by Brockton to solve the problem, if not solve 17 00:00:55.359 --> 00:00:58.079 the problem, at least impact the problem. Love to hear 18 00:00:58.079 --> 00:01:00.880 what you think. We have full lines to stick with it. 19 00:01:01.079 --> 00:01:04.280 I always appreciate when we find a subject that my 20 00:01:04.560 --> 00:01:08.920 audience can respond to. Sometimes you listen to interviews and 21 00:01:08.959 --> 00:01:11.359 you're delighted. But I can only tell if you like 22 00:01:11.480 --> 00:01:15.319 the subject by the number of phone callers that generate. 23 00:01:15.359 --> 00:01:17.239 So let's go to Scott and Quincy. Scott first, this 24 00:01:17.319 --> 00:01:19.680 hour and nightside your thoughts about what Brockton is doing. 25 00:01:19.719 --> 00:01:21.280 Quincy's not that far from Brockton. 26 00:01:21.319 --> 00:01:25.159 Go ahead, Scott, Well, sadly, it's a sign of the 27 00:01:25.239 --> 00:01:28.560 times and something that needs to be done in my opinion. 28 00:01:29.480 --> 00:01:33.400 If I remember, there are chapters of mass law that 29 00:01:34.599 --> 00:01:39.959 actually use the terms bums, tramps, and vagrants to describe 30 00:01:40.920 --> 00:01:43.519 persons who live on the streets without means. 31 00:01:43.640 --> 00:01:47.120 And well, I'm sure that's probably politically correct at this point, 32 00:01:47.159 --> 00:01:49.239 but you're probably factually correct. 33 00:01:50.439 --> 00:01:54.439 Yes, indeed, And you know many of your callers have 34 00:01:54.519 --> 00:01:59.400 made the point that it's a large problem, and you 35 00:01:59.439 --> 00:02:03.200 know there's there's nothing else to be done. Really, the 36 00:02:03.200 --> 00:02:07.400 the administration and law enforcement has to put their foot down, 37 00:02:07.480 --> 00:02:11.039 because there are people who who make a choice to 38 00:02:11.159 --> 00:02:14.599 be out there living on the streets, addicted to alcohol 39 00:02:14.759 --> 00:02:17.800 and other substances and living that lifestyle. 40 00:02:19.800 --> 00:02:20.919 They do. 41 00:02:20.960 --> 00:02:24.919 They make an intellectual choice or their lifestyle forces that 42 00:02:25.080 --> 00:02:28.680 choice upon them. Either way, it's it can't be tolerated. 43 00:02:29.000 --> 00:02:32.439 It has to be addressed. Uh, and we have cats 44 00:02:32.560 --> 00:02:34.759 problems in this country right now, and that this is 45 00:02:34.800 --> 00:02:36.039 one that needs to be addressed. 46 00:02:37.080 --> 00:02:39.840 I mean, can't we get back to having obs houses 47 00:02:39.960 --> 00:02:44.719 or poor farms places in the state where all these 48 00:02:44.759 --> 00:02:47.840 people can be collected and say all right, here you go, 49 00:02:48.080 --> 00:02:50.759 this is this is your home. Now you're you're going 50 00:02:50.800 --> 00:02:54.599 to grow crops. If you're going to you're going to 51 00:02:54.639 --> 00:02:57.000 live here until you get your life back together. 52 00:02:59.719 --> 00:03:02.639 I don't know that you're able to force people to 53 00:03:02.759 --> 00:03:05.639 work if they haven't committed a crime. If you've committed 54 00:03:05.639 --> 00:03:08.919 a crime and you're incarcerated, yeah, you can work in 55 00:03:09.000 --> 00:03:12.240 the light, producing license plates and all of that. These 56 00:03:12.280 --> 00:03:16.000 people are not probably committing crimes per se. And then 57 00:03:16.039 --> 00:03:17.919 the other question is you put them all on a 58 00:03:17.960 --> 00:03:22.080 farm if they're addicted. How's that going to solve the problem? 59 00:03:22.639 --> 00:03:25.039 Well, they would have to just work through their addiction 60 00:03:25.240 --> 00:03:30.800 without So isn't vagrancy a crime or has that been 61 00:03:30.840 --> 00:03:32.639 eliminated from the books by. 62 00:03:32.560 --> 00:03:36.599 Well, a lot of those crimes were eliminated because they 63 00:03:36.599 --> 00:03:41.080 were considered to be a vague, vague and capricious, capricious 64 00:03:41.120 --> 00:03:44.919 of the terms that are used. Okay, I think this 65 00:03:44.960 --> 00:03:47.120 is more specific, and I think it will pass muster 66 00:03:47.240 --> 00:03:50.919 under the decision the Court handed down Grant's Pass Oregon 67 00:03:51.000 --> 00:03:54.080 decision from last June, the end of last term, and 68 00:03:54.120 --> 00:03:57.960 that is that these people are engaging in activities which 69 00:03:58.000 --> 00:04:02.680 are detrimental to the community at large. I think people 70 00:04:02.719 --> 00:04:05.280 will will agree that if you're living outdoors and you 71 00:04:05.360 --> 00:04:08.360 have nowhere to avail yourself to take a shower, to 72 00:04:09.599 --> 00:04:12.159 you know, use a toilet when nature calls, and you're 73 00:04:12.280 --> 00:04:15.479 finding yourself doing what people do, what bears do in 74 00:04:15.520 --> 00:04:18.399 the woods, and you're doing it on Main Street, that's 75 00:04:18.399 --> 00:04:21.319 a problem. That's a problem. And I think that slowly 76 00:04:21.360 --> 00:04:25.040 but surely, the attitude of our population is kind of 77 00:04:25.040 --> 00:04:27.399 turning around a little bit here and saying, hey, we've 78 00:04:27.439 --> 00:04:32.319 tolerated this enough. It's been long enough. We've had Republican administrations, 79 00:04:32.360 --> 00:04:35.839 we've had democratic administrations. Now it is up to the communities. 80 00:04:35.959 --> 00:04:38.839 There was some conversation at this city council meeting when 81 00:04:38.839 --> 00:04:41.680 this ordinance was discussed that one of the councilors was, well, well, 82 00:04:41.720 --> 00:04:44.439 we really need here is some support, more money from 83 00:04:44.639 --> 00:04:48.399 Washington or from Beacon Hill guess what. Guess what. Those 84 00:04:48.480 --> 00:04:51.560 days are long since gone. And anyone who thinks that 85 00:04:52.240 --> 00:04:55.879 more money is coming from Washington to Beacon Hill not happening, 86 00:04:56.120 --> 00:04:59.000 not happening, Jack, So was that? And I think that 87 00:04:59.040 --> 00:05:01.800 a lot of these politics who think that way need 88 00:05:01.839 --> 00:05:04.480 its need for them to consider retiring and get out 89 00:05:04.519 --> 00:05:07.720 of the way, and let communities selects some people who 90 00:05:08.120 --> 00:05:10.279 want to actually solve these problems or at least begin 91 00:05:10.319 --> 00:05:11.360 to address the problems. 92 00:05:12.399 --> 00:05:15.480 I agree, local problems need local solutions. 93 00:05:15.759 --> 00:05:18.000 I'm with you totally. Scott has always appreciate your call, 94 00:05:18.040 --> 00:05:20.279 appreciate your support of my program. Thank you very much. 95 00:05:20.519 --> 00:05:22.879 Good night, Dan, good job, Thank you very much. 96 00:05:22.879 --> 00:05:25.199 Appreciate it. All right, take quick break here it is 97 00:05:25.399 --> 00:05:28.079 about fourteen minutes after. Don't want to short change anyone 98 00:05:28.120 --> 00:05:32.040 six one seven thirty six one, seven, nine, three, ten thirty. 99 00:05:32.040 --> 00:05:34.079 This is a good conversation. If you disagree with me, 100 00:05:34.240 --> 00:05:37.040 feel free to bring it on. I just think that 101 00:05:37.279 --> 00:05:39.759 we have reached a point. We're almost at a point 102 00:05:39.759 --> 00:05:45.600 of no return because I'm I feel exasperated. I've been 103 00:05:45.639 --> 00:05:47.959 doing this show. Now, we're into our eighteenth year. We've 104 00:05:47.959 --> 00:05:52.199 talked about these these issues periodically. The Supreme Court has 105 00:05:52.240 --> 00:05:56.040 given communities a green light last June in the in 106 00:05:56.079 --> 00:05:59.639 a Supreme Court decision out of Oregon. And it's up 107 00:05:59.680 --> 00:06:03.759 to unities to have some elected officials who have some backbones. 108 00:06:04.000 --> 00:06:05.920 There's nothing wrong with having a big heart, but you 109 00:06:06.000 --> 00:06:08.680 got to have a backbone too. Sometimes you're relying the heart. 110 00:06:08.800 --> 00:06:11.639 Sometimes you relig on the backbone. Back on Nights Side, 111 00:06:12.000 --> 00:06:13.839 we have full lines. We'll be back right after this. 112 00:06:15.160 --> 00:06:18.120 Now back to Dan Ray live from the Window World 113 00:06:18.279 --> 00:06:21.839 Night Sight Studios on WBZ News Radio. 114 00:06:22.319 --> 00:06:24.720 Okay, I have callers who have waited a long time here, 115 00:06:24.839 --> 00:06:29.120 and we're gonna go in order. Victor's next, followed by Sherry, 116 00:06:29.279 --> 00:06:32.480 and then we got Coptic, Thomas and Quincy. We'll get 117 00:06:32.519 --> 00:06:34.480 them all in and we're gonna move the train a 118 00:06:34.519 --> 00:06:38.560 little bit more quickly, starting with Victor in Boston. Victor, 119 00:06:38.560 --> 00:06:39.920 I want to hear what you have to say. Go 120 00:06:39.959 --> 00:06:40.639 right ahead, Victor. 121 00:06:42.000 --> 00:06:43.279 Hey, Dan, how you doing. 122 00:06:43.800 --> 00:06:44.759 That's a good topic. 123 00:06:47.240 --> 00:06:52.120 I'll start by saying, I, like some of the previous callers, 124 00:06:52.639 --> 00:06:57.199 I've been homeless twice, actually three times. It's not a 125 00:06:57.240 --> 00:06:59.839 good thing. I don't know not a drug user, but 126 00:07:00.079 --> 00:07:02.959 I do know that people who are and have been 127 00:07:03.040 --> 00:07:08.279 drug users. Unfortunately, most of them are not here now. 128 00:07:08.439 --> 00:07:16.279 They died by way of drugs or something, violence or whatever. Now, yeah, 129 00:07:16.399 --> 00:07:18.240 but it's not good. 130 00:07:18.439 --> 00:07:21.199 But basically victory. It's not a great career path, is 131 00:07:21.199 --> 00:07:22.199 what you're telling. 132 00:07:21.920 --> 00:07:26.519 Me, you know. And and another thing, I don't know 133 00:07:26.600 --> 00:07:31.519 why there are some people think that people who have 134 00:07:31.680 --> 00:07:36.079 been on drugs aren't educated or ignorant. I've known some 135 00:07:36.360 --> 00:07:42.199 very intelligent people who've gone that route. Okay, I think 136 00:07:42.240 --> 00:07:45.639 they had other issues. But the fact of the matter 137 00:07:45.920 --> 00:07:53.879 is that myself, I had to be proactive. I've had 138 00:07:53.920 --> 00:07:58.160 a job most of my life in some form. I 139 00:07:58.319 --> 00:08:01.879 just said I wasn't gonna keep on that path as 140 00:08:01.879 --> 00:08:06.079 far as not. You know, one bad thing happens. Now, 141 00:08:06.199 --> 00:08:10.959 some people will get get deterared by but some people won't. 142 00:08:11.279 --> 00:08:14.040 They might get a little down, but they'll find a way. 143 00:08:14.120 --> 00:08:19.839 I think that's what determination is all about, okay, because 144 00:08:19.879 --> 00:08:23.240 you're not gonna be able to lick everything just at 145 00:08:23.279 --> 00:08:26.680 the drop of a hat, but you gotta keep at it. 146 00:08:27.399 --> 00:08:33.200 Nothing good was ever accomplished without some effort and even pain. 147 00:08:33.240 --> 00:08:36.120 I think that if you're now living in a homeless 148 00:08:36.200 --> 00:08:40.000 encampment in Brockton, you have hit you've hit rock bottom, 149 00:08:40.360 --> 00:08:42.600 and well you've got to make a decision at that point. 150 00:08:42.679 --> 00:08:44.759 Not you, but I mean that person has to make 151 00:08:44.799 --> 00:08:48.080 a decision. Am I gonna take whatever help is being offered? 152 00:08:48.519 --> 00:08:51.639 Or am I going to just give up? 153 00:08:52.399 --> 00:08:57.360 People will give up most people a drug addict, you know, 154 00:08:57.799 --> 00:09:01.399 if they're really far gone, it's gonna you know, take 155 00:09:01.440 --> 00:09:05.440 a miracle for them to change their life, because you 156 00:09:05.480 --> 00:09:11.360 know it's not I mean, drugs is it's a it's 157 00:09:11.399 --> 00:09:16.440 a it's a very very bad evil, as most people 158 00:09:16.600 --> 00:09:19.600 know grown ups. But the people who are doing the 159 00:09:19.679 --> 00:09:22.919 drugs don't care what happens. They don't care about going 160 00:09:22.960 --> 00:09:27.759 to jail and camping out. That's nothing to them. Only 161 00:09:27.840 --> 00:09:31.440 if they really really want to get help, that's the 162 00:09:31.480 --> 00:09:32.200 only way. 163 00:09:32.799 --> 00:09:33.399 I don't think. 164 00:09:34.600 --> 00:09:37.759 You know that the city can do what it can do, 165 00:09:38.720 --> 00:09:41.159 but it's not going to deter a whole lot. It's 166 00:09:41.240 --> 00:09:43.240 up to the person, period. 167 00:09:43.320 --> 00:09:47.879 Absolutely, I understand that. But sometimes sometimes you need to 168 00:09:47.879 --> 00:09:49.720 get a wake up call. I don't know what your 169 00:09:49.720 --> 00:09:52.519 wake up call was, Victor. Maybe you had it internally 170 00:09:52.600 --> 00:09:52.840 in you. 171 00:09:54.159 --> 00:09:57.559 I did since I was a teenager and I was 172 00:09:57.679 --> 00:10:02.039 used to that. Yeah, it's it's not an easy thing. 173 00:10:02.120 --> 00:10:05.360 I understand that. But like I said, I've known people 174 00:10:05.440 --> 00:10:11.960 on drugs. These people had been high intellects okay, smarter 175 00:10:12.080 --> 00:10:15.360 than I was in some ways, but the drugs. 176 00:10:16.279 --> 00:10:18.360 It's the drugs, period. 177 00:10:19.559 --> 00:10:23.000 So you know I mean, and that's what I'm I'm 178 00:10:23.000 --> 00:10:26.879 getting at it. It's the person you gotta if the 179 00:10:27.000 --> 00:10:30.519 person had to do it, Dan, Seriously, if the person 180 00:10:30.639 --> 00:10:33.799 doesn't want to do it, think of all the influences 181 00:10:33.840 --> 00:10:37.399 out there. Their friends ain't gonna leave them alone. They're 182 00:10:37.480 --> 00:10:40.120 gonna make up their mind to say that's it. I'm 183 00:10:40.120 --> 00:10:42.600 gonna get help. I'm gonna do this no matter what 184 00:10:42.720 --> 00:10:45.080 it takes. Period. 185 00:10:45.399 --> 00:10:48.320 I'm with you. You've said it well and from your experience, 186 00:10:48.360 --> 00:10:50.600 you have a perspective that no one can argue with. 187 00:10:50.639 --> 00:10:53.879 Appreciate you call, Victor. Thank you so much for listening 188 00:10:53.919 --> 00:10:59.039 to the show, your your comments. Depending upon who heard 189 00:10:59.080 --> 00:11:01.879 you tonight, you may have turned someone's life around tonight 190 00:11:01.919 --> 00:11:03.720 by this phone call, whether you realize it or. 191 00:11:03.720 --> 00:11:07.080 Not, I hope so that's as well. 192 00:11:08.000 --> 00:11:10.519 Appreciate your call. Have a great night. Who's we gonna 193 00:11:10.519 --> 00:11:12.240 who we're gonna go next to? Oh? I know we're Gonna. 194 00:11:12.279 --> 00:11:15.399 Sherry is in Boston. Sherry, I appreciate your patience. You've 195 00:11:15.399 --> 00:11:17.919 been kind and held on. You are next on nightside, Sherry, 196 00:11:17.919 --> 00:11:18.440 go right ahead. 197 00:11:19.399 --> 00:11:24.240 Thank you so much. So obviously I don't have the answers. 198 00:11:24.320 --> 00:11:28.679 I'm a registered nurse many years. I travel through Boston. 199 00:11:28.679 --> 00:11:31.159 Thank you, thank you for what you do. By the way, Sherry, 200 00:11:31.200 --> 00:11:31.720 thank you. 201 00:11:32.559 --> 00:11:36.480 Thank you so much. So I travel through uh Mass 202 00:11:36.559 --> 00:11:46.879 and casts. That's the methodon Mile Boston Medical Center. Mayo 203 00:11:47.000 --> 00:11:51.200 Wool was trying to shift people from the Produce Center 204 00:11:51.399 --> 00:11:57.080 to uh Mass and cass and Melanie Melanie Bulevarie. I 205 00:11:57.159 --> 00:11:57.960 believe it's. 206 00:11:57.799 --> 00:11:59.840 Called Trina call. 207 00:12:01.080 --> 00:12:05.679 Yeah. So every day I go through there and I 208 00:12:05.720 --> 00:12:09.559 think about, like, how is this going to get better? 209 00:12:09.759 --> 00:12:13.600 Like what can we do for these people. They're obviously 210 00:12:13.960 --> 00:12:19.120 addicted to opiates and they come there to get their methadone, 211 00:12:19.399 --> 00:12:24.840 but they're using and abusing of the drugs. They she 212 00:12:25.000 --> 00:12:29.840 breaks down the encampments, she takes away their kents and 213 00:12:29.960 --> 00:12:34.559 their livelihoods, but they go to the neighborhoods. They steal 214 00:12:34.600 --> 00:12:40.840 what they can from those neighborhoods. And I'm witnessed of that, 215 00:12:42.159 --> 00:12:45.320 and how can we help this, you know, it's I don't. 216 00:12:45.360 --> 00:12:48.320 I'm not familiar with Brockton. I don't know about how 217 00:12:48.320 --> 00:12:51.399 we can help that area. But I think there's a 218 00:12:51.600 --> 00:12:57.360 huge problem going on by Boston Medical Center and being 219 00:12:57.399 --> 00:13:00.519 unnursed and yay. 220 00:13:01.200 --> 00:13:03.879 Yeah, sure, yeah, I'm sure the problem is the same 221 00:13:05.159 --> 00:13:08.000 and the causes are the same, and the solutions that 222 00:13:08.240 --> 00:13:12.720 would be the same. I think somehow, some way there 223 00:13:12.799 --> 00:13:16.799 has to be in many cases, almost a miracle that 224 00:13:16.840 --> 00:13:21.279 occurs and someone realizes, hey, my life is worth more 225 00:13:21.879 --> 00:13:23.320 than what I'm doing to myself. 226 00:13:24.320 --> 00:13:31.039 That's no no, because you know what, Unfortunately, they're so high, 227 00:13:31.759 --> 00:13:35.559 they're so stoned, they're so out of their minds that 228 00:13:35.679 --> 00:13:36.759 they can't think clear. 229 00:13:37.600 --> 00:13:39.240 Okay, so what do you think that? What do you 230 00:13:39.279 --> 00:13:41.440 think the solution is? You know more about it probably 231 00:13:41.440 --> 00:13:43.679 than I do. What do you think is the solution 232 00:13:43.840 --> 00:13:44.480 if there is one? 233 00:13:46.080 --> 00:13:50.399 So my opinion and my thoughts registered nurse, is that 234 00:13:51.919 --> 00:13:58.480 maybe we can create safe injection sites like Europe has 235 00:14:00.399 --> 00:14:05.720 in the mass and cast area. There's like prisons that 236 00:14:05.919 --> 00:14:10.559 are vacated, and maybe we can like put all the 237 00:14:10.600 --> 00:14:16.000 homble system in that area in those vacated prisons and 238 00:14:16.679 --> 00:14:20.320 keep them open, but have a curfew they can have 239 00:14:21.799 --> 00:14:25.679 and have registered nurses. Like we'll provide them their meals 240 00:14:26.519 --> 00:14:30.799 like breakfast, lunch, and dinner if like you know, obviously 241 00:14:31.279 --> 00:14:34.080 a lot of times there's no appetite there, but we'll 242 00:14:34.120 --> 00:14:41.039 provide them food, will provide them facilities where they can vacate, stool, urine, shower, 243 00:14:42.919 --> 00:14:47.080 they can all be you know, in one area and 244 00:14:48.080 --> 00:14:53.360 registered nurses can you know, inject them with whatever they 245 00:14:53.440 --> 00:14:58.559 need to come down from that addiction and then start 246 00:14:58.600 --> 00:15:04.600 the methadone and then start the programs of you know, uh, 247 00:15:04.759 --> 00:15:10.960 getting out of the addiction, giving them some skills, some 248 00:15:11.159 --> 00:15:16.960 abilities so they can be productive citizens, and you know, 249 00:15:17.080 --> 00:15:21.919 start to transition them and give them support to the transition, 250 00:15:22.120 --> 00:15:28.080 giving them work opportunities and with the employer knowing fully 251 00:15:28.360 --> 00:15:33.120 that they're coming from this program, and the government supporting 252 00:15:35.000 --> 00:15:39.240 the supplement of the income so the employer doesn't have 253 00:15:39.440 --> 00:15:43.480 to completely pay them, and it's just a complete transition 254 00:15:44.360 --> 00:15:48.440 to getting them healthy again, to getting them feel confident 255 00:15:49.519 --> 00:15:50.919 to get Let me ask let. 256 00:15:50.879 --> 00:15:53.480 Me ask you a question, Sherry, what do you think 257 00:15:54.000 --> 00:15:58.600 it would cost the government to do that for each 258 00:15:58.639 --> 00:16:00.840 of the addicts? What how how much money do you 259 00:16:00.840 --> 00:16:02.480 think you'd have to spend all. 260 00:16:02.879 --> 00:16:06.600 I really have no idea, that's all I know. All 261 00:16:06.679 --> 00:16:09.399 I know is when I drive through this area. 262 00:16:09.519 --> 00:16:12.000 Oh no, you have a good heart. You have a 263 00:16:12.039 --> 00:16:15.879 good heart. Here's my question. Money does not grow on 264 00:16:16.000 --> 00:16:19.799 trees and the government to do that, it would call 265 00:16:20.080 --> 00:16:21.679 and first of all, I don't know if it would 266 00:16:21.679 --> 00:16:24.000 succeed number one, Okay, to be honest with you, but 267 00:16:24.039 --> 00:16:26.399 let's assume it did. You then are going to have 268 00:16:26.480 --> 00:16:29.919 to take money out of other government programs. Where do 269 00:16:29.960 --> 00:16:31.519 you take the money out? If you take it out 270 00:16:31.559 --> 00:16:35.679 of schools, do you take it out of programs for 271 00:16:35.679 --> 00:16:39.120 for elderly people? Where does the money come from? I mean, 272 00:16:39.159 --> 00:16:45.000 it's unfortunately. I don't know if any trees that are 273 00:16:45.000 --> 00:16:47.000 growing one hundred dollar bills, and if you find some, 274 00:16:47.200 --> 00:16:51.240 let me know. I really don't language. 275 00:16:53.679 --> 00:16:53.960 Down. 276 00:16:57.240 --> 00:17:02.000 Yeah, no, it's a problem. It's a problem, and we've 277 00:17:02.000 --> 00:17:04.519 spent a lot of money. They had a place down 278 00:17:04.559 --> 00:17:06.599 there was called the Round Hotel. Are you're familiar with 279 00:17:06.680 --> 00:17:07.559 the place down Yeah? 280 00:17:07.799 --> 00:17:10.680 I am, And they started to let drug outs and 281 00:17:10.799 --> 00:17:15.680 it now pulls down. That was a really poor mistake, I. 282 00:17:15.640 --> 00:17:17.559 Guess it was. But but a lot of the people 283 00:17:17.559 --> 00:17:19.759 who would be. It was what I think it was called. 284 00:17:19.759 --> 00:17:23.839 They called it a low threshold location, which meant people 285 00:17:23.880 --> 00:17:28.359 could go outside, shoot up outside, and then come back inside. 286 00:17:29.720 --> 00:17:30.519 And it was. 287 00:17:31.200 --> 00:17:34.920 They had macuss up against the walls, they were having sex, 288 00:17:35.039 --> 00:17:43.200 and they were selling themselves. It's disgusting. It's the calls 289 00:17:43.200 --> 00:17:44.799 of drugs and it's just. 290 00:17:48.359 --> 00:17:50.920 Let's see, let's see if if many people out there 291 00:17:51.279 --> 00:17:54.359 support your idea. It's a very generous idea that you. 292 00:17:54.359 --> 00:18:00.319 Have, that you were safe injection sites. We need a 293 00:18:00.400 --> 00:18:05.480 place to put them up Long Island will the the 294 00:18:05.519 --> 00:18:09.640 bridge was blown up. They're trying to get Quincy to 295 00:18:09.680 --> 00:18:10.799 bring that bridge back. 296 00:18:12.519 --> 00:18:12.759 You know. 297 00:18:12.839 --> 00:18:16.799 It's but obviously there's a lot of opposition because they 298 00:18:16.799 --> 00:18:18.400 don't want the drug addicts either. 299 00:18:19.240 --> 00:18:21.759 I can't of imagine why. I kind of imagine why 300 00:18:21.799 --> 00:18:24.599 the people I kind of imagine why the people in Quincy. 301 00:18:25.920 --> 00:18:31.279 I conversation. I'm at me and throwing things in front 302 00:18:31.279 --> 00:18:32.799 of my car to. 303 00:18:32.880 --> 00:18:34.680 Try to count. 304 00:18:34.920 --> 00:18:38.279 I know, I don't I don't have the answer. 305 00:18:38.799 --> 00:18:43.640 But yeah, right Sherry, I think You've made a lot 306 00:18:43.680 --> 00:18:46.359 of great points, but unfortunately I'm trying to have a 307 00:18:46.400 --> 00:18:48.920 conversation with you, and right now I'm a little frustrated, 308 00:18:49.039 --> 00:18:50.680 and I got the news coming at me. So let's 309 00:18:50.680 --> 00:18:52.960 see what people have to think to have to say 310 00:18:53.000 --> 00:18:55.960 they maybe there's more people out there who agree with you, 311 00:18:56.039 --> 00:18:57.960 and they'll call in and agree with you. Thank you, Sherry, 312 00:18:57.960 --> 00:19:00.839 appreciate your call. Have a great night. Here comes the 313 00:19:00.839 --> 00:19:02.640 news back on Nightside. Right after this. 314 00:19:05.839 --> 00:19:10.960 Night Side with Dan Ray, I'm w BSY, Boston's news radio. 315 00:19:12.960 --> 00:19:16.160 Here we go. Let's go next to gonna again to 316 00:19:16.359 --> 00:19:18.799 is coptic coptic? You were next to nights. I appreciate 317 00:19:18.799 --> 00:19:20.160 your patience. Go right head coptic. 318 00:19:21.680 --> 00:19:22.839 Hey Dan, how are you doing? 319 00:19:24.519 --> 00:19:24.920 Talk you? 320 00:19:25.640 --> 00:19:28.240 Yeah, that's not my fault. Coptic at six one, seven, two, 321 00:19:28.319 --> 00:19:30.799 five thirty right a headpal. 322 00:19:32.519 --> 00:19:36.680 Yeah, I really uh agree one hundred percent with the 323 00:19:36.680 --> 00:19:40.119 previous caller. That just some nurse. That's why I was 324 00:19:40.160 --> 00:19:45.839 gonna say my opinion about that. The uh and instead 325 00:19:45.880 --> 00:19:49.880 of the home homeless in Boston or Barkton or anywhere, 326 00:19:50.720 --> 00:19:54.440 it's gonna be with no control. We cannot control them 327 00:19:54.480 --> 00:19:59.720 because they are everywhere. I was suggest as like to 328 00:20:00.119 --> 00:20:05.039 have a fenced camp, Like there's a fence surrounding this 329 00:20:05.200 --> 00:20:08.359 camp and all of them is gonna stay there with 330 00:20:08.599 --> 00:20:13.759 all facilities like shower, like place like the medical support 331 00:20:13.839 --> 00:20:17.440 and all of this stuff. But as you mentioned, who's 332 00:20:17.480 --> 00:20:20.920 gonna pay for all of these costs? The government is 333 00:20:21.000 --> 00:20:24.039 gonna be very tough for the government. But I have 334 00:20:24.079 --> 00:20:29.400 an idea. Well, the idea is not all of these 335 00:20:29.480 --> 00:20:32.519 drug addicts and all of this homeless. They are one 336 00:20:32.599 --> 00:20:36.599 hundred percent hopeless cases. No, I believe that if we 337 00:20:36.799 --> 00:20:40.720 can filter them, you can find like different levels people 338 00:20:40.920 --> 00:20:45.240 like twenty percent. They still can be productive not consumer. 339 00:20:45.759 --> 00:20:50.160 You know, we can engage them in some easy works, 340 00:20:50.240 --> 00:20:55.400 you know, like fixing cars, carpentry or whatever, so they 341 00:20:55.440 --> 00:21:00.480 can't do some work. But the other others, other cases 342 00:21:00.599 --> 00:21:03.799 like which is hopeless, this is different. We're gonna we 343 00:21:03.920 --> 00:21:06.839 canna keep them like in a side, you know, with 344 00:21:06.960 --> 00:21:11.440 the work of the social workers, the nurses, doctors, all 345 00:21:11.559 --> 00:21:14.640 the medication, all of this stuff. But still you're gonna 346 00:21:14.799 --> 00:21:20.240 first you're gonna keep them in one place with control, 347 00:21:20.480 --> 00:21:23.599 you know, better than to leave them everywhere. 348 00:21:23.720 --> 00:21:25.279 You know, like is. 349 00:21:25.279 --> 00:21:28.160 Gonna be like very very very bad idea. 350 00:21:28.799 --> 00:21:31.000 So how are you gonna how are you gonna get 351 00:21:31.079 --> 00:21:35.440 control of them? And they live in a free society? Uh, 352 00:21:35.519 --> 00:21:38.200 in order to put them somewhere in a place where 353 00:21:38.240 --> 00:21:41.920 they're fenced in. You're gonna have to charge them or 354 00:21:42.000 --> 00:21:44.920 convict them of some crime. You can't deprive people of 355 00:21:45.000 --> 00:21:48.440 their liberty just because of their status as a drug addict. 356 00:21:49.400 --> 00:21:50.039 That's what I'm saying. 357 00:21:50.039 --> 00:21:51.640 You know, we're gonna keep them in a in a 358 00:21:51.680 --> 00:21:56.319 big place like affinsic camp or something like that, very much, But. 359 00:21:56.680 --> 00:22:00.000 Can think you missed my question. What if they don't 360 00:22:00.160 --> 00:22:02.519 want to go into the big place in the camp, 361 00:22:02.839 --> 00:22:04.319 how do you force them in there? 362 00:22:04.839 --> 00:22:08.359 I understand. But at the same time, if they refuse 363 00:22:08.559 --> 00:22:12.640 to pay whatever the fee which you said, like two 364 00:22:12.720 --> 00:22:14.759 hundred bucks of all of the stuff, and then you're 365 00:22:14.759 --> 00:22:16.920 gonna put them into jail, I believe this is not 366 00:22:17.000 --> 00:22:18.880 a good idea to you know, to keep them in 367 00:22:18.920 --> 00:22:22.039 the jail or to keep them in all of this stuff. Again, 368 00:22:23.039 --> 00:22:25.160 I understand your question very well. How are you gonna 369 00:22:25.319 --> 00:22:29.359 force them? Uh these people who has like no control 370 00:22:29.599 --> 00:22:33.200 or nowhere about what they're doing. They need to be 371 00:22:33.759 --> 00:22:40.319 uh like handled with some physician, like nurses, some people 372 00:22:40.519 --> 00:22:41.160 like I. 373 00:22:41.119 --> 00:22:43.119 Got it, I got you, I got your point. I 374 00:22:43.200 --> 00:22:47.880 still think that in order to deprive them of their liberty, 375 00:22:48.279 --> 00:22:51.720 you're gonna have to convict them of a crime. And 376 00:22:51.079 --> 00:22:55.480 I think, again, this is this is a difficult thing. 377 00:22:55.559 --> 00:22:58.119 We live in a free society where people can become 378 00:22:58.240 --> 00:23:03.000 drunks if they want, and we've supported them in our society. 379 00:23:03.079 --> 00:23:06.160 But you know, we look at it. We look at 380 00:23:06.200 --> 00:23:08.640 it as a disease. We look at we don't look 381 00:23:08.640 --> 00:23:11.400 at as something that these folks had done to themselves. 382 00:23:11.480 --> 00:23:13.359 We look at it as a condition that they have 383 00:23:13.440 --> 00:23:16.920 found themselves in. And therefore we have to be very careful. 384 00:23:16.920 --> 00:23:19.200 We just can't round people up and put them in 385 00:23:19.200 --> 00:23:22.480 a day, even if it's a nice situation. You know, 386 00:23:22.559 --> 00:23:23.359 That's all I'm saying. 387 00:23:23.440 --> 00:23:27.880 Legally, I have another thing, just less the thing that 388 00:23:27.920 --> 00:23:31.240 you want to mention. You know, we are dealing with 389 00:23:31.279 --> 00:23:35.200 this problem because it already exists. But we can work 390 00:23:35.319 --> 00:23:39.400 and something to stop doing to stop happening in the future. Like, 391 00:23:40.160 --> 00:23:43.119 for example, we have to teach our kids in the 392 00:23:43.160 --> 00:23:46.319 school that you guys, this is the results when you 393 00:23:46.440 --> 00:23:49.200 go in the way of the drugs and all of 394 00:23:49.240 --> 00:23:52.039 this stuff. You guys, you need to be smart. 395 00:23:54.039 --> 00:23:56.079 We tried to do that. Remember all the programs in 396 00:23:56.119 --> 00:23:59.279 the schools just say no. That was an abysmal failure. 397 00:23:59.319 --> 00:24:02.240 They had all the police officers that come in and 398 00:24:02.319 --> 00:24:04.720 talk to the kids and remember the ads this is your 399 00:24:04.759 --> 00:24:07.960 drug that they'd take an egg and crack it and 400 00:24:07.960 --> 00:24:10.079 put it on the sidewalk and this is your your 401 00:24:10.079 --> 00:24:13.039