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<v Speaker 1>Hello, and welcome to buck is tomorrow morning for Friday,

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<v Speaker 1>July thirty first, thirty six days until the ball State

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<v Speaker 1>a reservation. Today, Marcus Day three here at Big Tim

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<v Speaker 1>Media Days. We have wrapped up talking with the Michigan contingent,

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<v Speaker 1>particularly Kyle Whittingham. And boy, he does not hate Ryan

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<v Speaker 1>Day and doesn't see hate as necessary in this rivalry.

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<v Speaker 1>Who does he think he is?

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<v Speaker 2>I know, I know right well, I thought it was interesting.

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<v Speaker 2>I'm still deciding exactly what I thought about everything. But

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<v Speaker 2>because I could kind of see, I used to have

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<v Speaker 2>a theory that Michigan didn't take the rivalries seriously enough. Obviously,

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<v Speaker 2>then you had the big deal with Jim Harbaugh making

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<v Speaker 2>it basically ripping off all the things that Jim Tressel

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<v Speaker 2>did and making it a daily thing. Right. He sounds

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<v Speaker 2>like that is most definitely not what they're doing now

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<v Speaker 2>under Winningham. So we'll see if that is a good

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<v Speaker 2>thing or a bad thing. I guess we'll get it

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<v Speaker 2>in November, because he did say, you know, there's you've

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<v Speaker 2>got to worry about the other eleven games first, and

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<v Speaker 2>he said about both Ohio State and Michigan State, you

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<v Speaker 2>don't want to overdo it with a rivalry because there

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<v Speaker 2>will be diminishing returns. And that might be something that

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<v Speaker 2>sounds correct unless you have paid close attention to this rivalry,

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<v Speaker 2>in which case I think is typically not been correct.

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<v Speaker 2>So we'll see. So I'm just right now that's kind

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<v Speaker 2>of running through my brain. You know how that might

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<v Speaker 2>turn out well.

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<v Speaker 1>I think when you're winning it, whatever you're doing is correct,

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<v Speaker 1>that's true. When you're losing whatever you're doing, you've done

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<v Speaker 1>too much, You've wound your team up too much, or

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<v Speaker 1>you have made them not care enough. I think what

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<v Speaker 1>the difference here with Kyle Whittingham is he has no

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<v Speaker 1>ill will yet towards Ohio State, and the only thing

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<v Speaker 1>he knows about is really is from urban Meyer, and

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<v Speaker 1>of course everybody knows about it, but he's not been inculcated,

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<v Speaker 1>he's not been in it. Have something go poorly, and

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<v Speaker 1>I bet I'll start having a little hate in his heart.

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah, I don't, And that part maybe I said I don't.

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<v Speaker 2>You can maybe get around and some people really don't

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<v Speaker 2>like the hate word anyway. But kind of two things

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<v Speaker 2>with that one. I think we'll talk about it. That

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<v Speaker 2>the respect is a good thing, and they talked about

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<v Speaker 2>that coming back, and that's a positive. I don't know

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<v Speaker 2>that the coach has to hate the other team, but

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<v Speaker 2>I do think that there's just a balance to strike there.

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<v Speaker 2>And if you come in, we learn from the John

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<v Speaker 2>Cooper years, if you come in and you're not at

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<v Speaker 2>the right level to begin with, it's hard to then

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<v Speaker 2>hit that mark. You're going to overshoot it. Uh. And

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<v Speaker 2>I kind of think, you know, I think some of

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<v Speaker 2>the Michigan coaches of the last few years have done

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<v Speaker 2>that as well. Before Harbaugh you know, made it made

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<v Speaker 2>it change when he said they were He came here

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<v Speaker 2>and said they were going to beat Ohio State or

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<v Speaker 2>die trying, which was a funny joke to everybody. And

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<v Speaker 2>then except they did beat They did not die right

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<v Speaker 2>at least right off, but they.

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<v Speaker 1>Did a lot of trying in various ways. Because the

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<v Speaker 1>reason I bring it up is he was winning him

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<v Speaker 1>was asked, have you been around long enough? Have you

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<v Speaker 1>learned to hate Ohio State? Yet? Then he said, hates

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<v Speaker 1>a strong word. So I went ahead. I threw that

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<v Speaker 1>quote on Twitter because I knew what it would do.

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<v Speaker 1>And you've got Buckeye fan saying, oh, he's cooked. He

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<v Speaker 1>doesn't know, he doesn't And it's like, the thing is

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<v Speaker 1>they still the players still play. That players have been losing,

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<v Speaker 1>they've been winning. Certainly Bryce Underwood doesn't want to lose again.

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<v Speaker 1>But the thing that you mentioned is the respect is back,

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<v Speaker 1>because Winningham said, I don't I've never you know, I

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<v Speaker 1>know Ryan Day. We've not gone out to dinner. But

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<v Speaker 1>there was such a lack of respect from Harbaugh towards

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<v Speaker 1>Ohio State and Ryan Day some of the things he said,

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<v Speaker 1>Certainly Sharon Moore, I don't know they'd respected anything, and

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<v Speaker 1>Ryan Day hard to respect what went on there. And

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<v Speaker 1>now that's gone. And that's one of the things that

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<v Speaker 1>winning Gham said that they can move on because it

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<v Speaker 1>was the adults that were doing the bad stuff, not

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<v Speaker 1>the kids. Yeah, yeah, so I think you've got an

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<v Speaker 1>opportunity to be a nice, clean physical rival. Again, perhaps

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<v Speaker 1>I think so.

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<v Speaker 2>I think so. And you know, there were some moments

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<v Speaker 2>of nastiness with the players, but I tend to agree

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<v Speaker 2>it was pretty much caused by the coaches, because it's

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<v Speaker 2>again that they're they're young guys. They've got to you've

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<v Speaker 2>got there's different things. Sometimes you say things and what

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<v Speaker 2>you actually do in real life, and sometimes the coach

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<v Speaker 2>has to explain those things to them because it's nice.

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<v Speaker 2>You think, you say, oh yeah, let's go get in

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<v Speaker 2>a fight or something like that. That'll be cool and

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<v Speaker 2>we'll be we'll be tough. And but no, you really

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<v Speaker 2>don't want to do that, especially frequently, you know, not

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<v Speaker 2>every time. You know, if you if you have a

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<v Speaker 2>scuffle once every seven or eight games, okay, whatever, but

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<v Speaker 2>you it can't be sometime that's like you think, is

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<v Speaker 2>going to happen every game. That's too much.

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<v Speaker 1>Now, you send a bench player out there, not Marcus Hall.

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<v Speaker 1>You know, you don't send a starter to start a fight.

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<v Speaker 1>You send somebody somebody else.

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<v Speaker 2>Well, and that was after they were swarming Ohio State's

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<v Speaker 2>return to me in right.

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<v Speaker 1>That's Dontre Wilson. Yeah, yeah, that's what it was, and

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<v Speaker 1>their shoot Lloyd Carr. I still remember the ninety sixth

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<v Speaker 1>at least how I remember the ninety six senior day.

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<v Speaker 1>He sent in Michigan out there while Greg Bellisaria was

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<v Speaker 1>being introduced with his family on Senior Day, and it's

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<v Speaker 1>like that was disrespectful. Jim Tressel having the the the

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<v Speaker 1>drug sniffing dogs in two thousand and four, hold Michigan up.

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<v Speaker 1>That's just safety. That's just a safety concern basically. But

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<v Speaker 1>what did you make of Kyle Woodingham saying if you

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<v Speaker 1>were there or not when they got to Michigan, he

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<v Speaker 1>was pretty shocked at how underperforming they were in terms

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<v Speaker 1>of strength levels, and they've worked on getting that, but

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<v Speaker 1>basically the team failing all of these strength metrics is

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<v Speaker 1>pretty alarming. Yeah.

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<v Speaker 2>I was there for that. That was pretty interesting that. Yeah,

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<v Speaker 2>he even said, well, yeah, we had all these like long, tall,

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<v Speaker 2>good looking athletes, but they all were lacking in the

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<v Speaker 2>strength minchmarks we thought they should be at. So you

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<v Speaker 2>know that that was definitely interesting and I'm willing to

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<v Speaker 2>believe that, you know, that's not an unusual thing that

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<v Speaker 2>a coach will come in and whip guys into shape.

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<v Speaker 1>For best summers ever, best off season ever.

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah, and I mean I think for sure if you

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<v Speaker 2>watched Michigan they were definitely lacking something physically last year.

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<v Speaker 2>Sometimes that can be there can be multiple or there's

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<v Speaker 2>different ways that that can come about. But so I'm

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<v Speaker 2>willing to believe that wasn't just coach speak.

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<v Speaker 1>What do you make of Kyle Whittingham talking about how

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<v Speaker 1>they're going to use Bryce Underwood and referencing Devin Dan Pierre,

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<v Speaker 1>the quarterback in Utah last year who rushed for about

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<v Speaker 1>eight hundred and sixty yards two for about twenty four hundred.

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<v Speaker 1>They've got a big quality athlete at quarterback who's big

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<v Speaker 1>and strong, but eight hundred yards rushing seems like that's

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<v Speaker 1>going to be hard to do or if it is

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<v Speaker 1>who we're doing.

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah, yeah, I don't know what Bryce Underwood's thoughts on

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<v Speaker 2>it are. He may have been asked, but I thought

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<v Speaker 2>Whittingham it was definitely there was no equivocation to it.

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<v Speaker 2>He said, in college football, the quarterback has to run,

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<v Speaker 2>and it wasn't even just like, oh, well, he has

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<v Speaker 2>to be able to scramble. I mean he meant like

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<v Speaker 2>the quarterback run game is part of the offense. So

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<v Speaker 2>that was definitely interesting. And again because one thing we've

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<v Speaker 2>had this discussion before, you know, it'd be curious to

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<v Speaker 2>know he barely ran it all last year because he

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<v Speaker 2>didn't want to because they didn't want him to run.

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<v Speaker 2>I mean I tend to think they should have wanted

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<v Speaker 2>him to run at least some I mean J. J.

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<v Speaker 2>McCarthy ran in design runs and things like that, and

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<v Speaker 2>they even had a wildcat quarterback, so it was kind

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<v Speaker 2>of part of their previous offenses. So you just kind

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<v Speaker 2>of wonder there when you've got a star guy coming

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<v Speaker 2>in and if there's certain things they do or don't

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<v Speaker 2>want to do. And Whittingham kind of passed that off

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<v Speaker 2>as he goes, oh, well, he was like under pressure

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<v Speaker 2>all the time and the offensive line, you know, because

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<v Speaker 2>which I mean some look true, but still there's there's

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<v Speaker 2>certain ways you can kind of construct an offense. Their

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<v Speaker 2>offense was not constructed.

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<v Speaker 1>Last well, exactly there was why wasn't this done? Why

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<v Speaker 1>wasn't this developed? It's I mean, take a look at

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<v Speaker 1>what's going on and you start to get a clearer

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<v Speaker 1>picture defensively mentioned Rod Moore, who we've seen as not

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<v Speaker 1>we've not seen the last couple of years. A safety

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<v Speaker 1>said he's fully go said he well, so he feels

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<v Speaker 1>better than he has in a long time, and which

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<v Speaker 1>is a relative term because he's been out the last

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<v Speaker 1>two years. Him back. There another safety that they got

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<v Speaker 1>from Bracy. I think Bracy Carter wasn't they but transferred

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<v Speaker 1>in from Memphis who he said, like, those are their

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<v Speaker 1>top two guys and Chris Bracy, I'm sorry and Rod Moore?

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<v Speaker 1>Are any concerns there? I mean, Ohio State's bringing in

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<v Speaker 1>a safety who didn't play last year, but you're your

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<v Speaker 1>top two guys, one from small school, one has been

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<v Speaker 1>out for two years as your last line of defense.

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<v Speaker 1>Any thoughts on that?

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<v Speaker 2>I mean with more I honestly just assumed he was

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<v Speaker 2>completely out of eligibility, So I didn't. I mean, because

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<v Speaker 2>that will be I think this will be his sixty years.

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<v Speaker 2>It might be, and so because he was yah, because

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<v Speaker 2>he was around in twenty two and twenty three for sure.

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<v Speaker 2>So at any rate, I mean, yeah, you've got to

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<v Speaker 2>wonder if that happens with guys where you have those

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<v Speaker 2>knee injuries that are kind of occurring and it's hard

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<v Speaker 2>to stay healthy or even whatever your one hundred percent is.

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<v Speaker 2>And it's not like he was an absolute physical specimen

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<v Speaker 2>to begin with. I mean, he was obviously plenty athletic

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<v Speaker 2>enough to be a major college football safety, but he

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<v Speaker 2>wasn't Rod.

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<v Speaker 1>Woodson or any right that It's not Erner.

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<v Speaker 2>So yeah, that's interesting to see vision see how some

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<v Speaker 2>of those things come together. I know they've got a

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<v Speaker 2>handful of transfers. I don't think that they overdid it,

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<v Speaker 2>but they've got a few guys of these Utah guys

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<v Speaker 2>too that are looked at that'll be uh probably be

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<v Speaker 2>useful players for them, and then then we'll kind of

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<v Speaker 2>see how it shakes out.

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<v Speaker 1>Yeah, some of those Utah guys JJ Buchanan slot receiver,

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<v Speaker 1>slash tight ends sixty three two fifteen fast, John Henry

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<v Speaker 1>Daily defensive end who had like sixteen and a half

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<v Speaker 1>tackles for lost last year, still coming off of an

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<v Speaker 1>achilles injury though, So we'll see how that goes. Anything

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<v Speaker 1>that you picked up that you you don't want to

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<v Speaker 1>throw out there, anything that we've we haven't covered.

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<v Speaker 2>Well, I mean, he was definitely and again it's it's

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<v Speaker 2>July and August. So these are the kinds of things

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<v Speaker 2>that are said. But I mean when I was over,

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<v Speaker 2>I was there for the beginning, in the end, and

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<v Speaker 2>then I went to another interview in between. You know,

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<v Speaker 2>he was very much effusive about the offensive line. He

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<v Speaker 2>said he wants to have ten offensive linemen who can play,

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<v Speaker 2>which is a lot I think in college football these days,

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<v Speaker 2>and they're looking for they feel like these guys have

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<v Speaker 2>developed some strength. They've got a lot of athletes. He

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<v Speaker 2>compared a couple of guys to you know, guys they

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<v Speaker 2>just had at Utah who were first round picks. So

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<v Speaker 2>obviously that's where it starts. I mean, he said that too.

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<v Speaker 2>You know, it starts at the line of scrimmage and

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<v Speaker 2>those things, and those are the things to say. But

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<v Speaker 2>it'll be curious to see just how those things transfer

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<v Speaker 2>because obviously they did not get it done on the

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<v Speaker 2>line of scrimmage last year, especially against Ohio State, but

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<v Speaker 2>really in any of the games that mattered. So that's

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<v Speaker 2>that's a good place to start building them. You know,

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<v Speaker 2>my thing with Michigan is, you know, you know, what

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<v Speaker 2>will the skill guys be like in the long run.

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<v Speaker 2>But I'm really on both sides of the wall, because

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<v Speaker 2>that's where they've kind of lacked there a lot more

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<v Speaker 2>often than not in the last twenty years when they

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<v Speaker 2>weren't good, and even actually some of their good teams

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<v Speaker 2>didn't have great skill players either. So it'll be curious.

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<v Speaker 2>It'd be interesting to see how that all shakes out.

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<v Speaker 2>I mean, if you can revamp the lines, and then

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<v Speaker 2>what else have you got behind him?

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<v Speaker 1>Well, and he said Jordan Marshall running back is obviously

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<v Speaker 1>they're number one already, said Savian Hyder. The freshman is

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<v Speaker 1>their number two. I don't recall him talking anything about it.

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<v Speaker 1>Nobody asked about Andrew Marrish receiver or Jamie French to

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<v Speaker 1>transfer from Texas, So yeah, there are some questions there. Overall,

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<v Speaker 1>he did like his defensive ends. So they've got five guys,

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<v Speaker 1>including Carter Meadows, the freshman who didn't get in until June.

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<v Speaker 1>They're like nine freshmen not en roll early, which you know,

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<v Speaker 1>in roll in June, which is now enrolling late. So

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<v Speaker 1>we'll see how that goes well.

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<v Speaker 2>One I guess the one other thing he did say,

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<v Speaker 2>because I know this has been a topic, I think

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<v Speaker 2>he went out of his way to say that the

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<v Speaker 2>spring game. Bryce struggling in the spring game was more

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<v Speaker 2>of a fact that they had the jumbled offensive line,

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<v Speaker 2>because they did. I assume that means they did a

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<v Speaker 2>draft kind of the way they used to do in

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<v Speaker 2>the trestle eight days, which and that would happen. That's

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<v Speaker 2>to something that very frequently happened with the offensive lines

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<v Speaker 2>at the spring games for Ohio States. So I thought

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<v Speaker 2>it was interesting that he went out of his way

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<v Speaker 2>to mention that. And you know, we'll kind of see

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<v Speaker 1>And we always say, don't take too much from the

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<v Speaker 1>spring game. But it was like he looked exactly like

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<v Speaker 1>he did the previous season, which shouldn't be. But Justin

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<v Speaker 1>Fields also didn't look great in his spring game at

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<v Speaker 1>Ohio State as a secondary guy.

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<v Speaker 2>But well that was just well, but I mean his

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<v Speaker 1>Game, don't ye yah, yeah, yeah.

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<v Speaker 2>Right, But that is something a lot of time even

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<v Speaker 2>I think I think feel uh, I think CJ. Stroud

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<v Speaker 2>had as spring game, but you know who else had

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<v Speaker 2>miss spring games? H Kyle McCord and Devin Brown.

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<v Speaker 1>There you go, there you go a great way to

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<v Speaker 1>end the show. So yeah, we are now wrapped up

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<v Speaker 1>from Big ten media days in Chicago and we can

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