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Speaker 1: Media Days. We have wrapped up talking with the Michigan contingent,
Speaker 1: particularly Kyle Whittingham. And boy, he does not hate Ryan
Speaker 1: Day and doesn't see hate as necessary in this rivalry.
Speaker 1: Who does he think he is?
Speaker 2: I know, I know right well, I thought it was interesting.
Speaker 2: I'm still deciding exactly what I thought about everything. But
Speaker 2: because I could kind of see, I used to have
Speaker 2: a theory that Michigan didn't take the rivalries seriously enough. Obviously,
Speaker 2: then you had the big deal with Jim Harbaugh making
Speaker 2: it basically ripping off all the things that Jim Tressel
Speaker 2: did and making it a daily thing. Right. He sounds
Speaker 2: like that is most definitely not what they're doing now
Speaker 2: under Winningham. So we'll see if that is a good
Speaker 2: thing or a bad thing. I guess we'll get it
Speaker 2: in November, because he did say, you know, there's you've
Speaker 2: got to worry about the other eleven games first, and
Speaker 2: he said about both Ohio State and Michigan State, you
Speaker 2: don't want to overdo it with a rivalry because there
Speaker 2: will be diminishing returns. And that might be something that
Speaker 2: sounds correct unless you have paid close attention to this rivalry,
Speaker 2: in which case I think is typically not been correct.
Speaker 2: So we'll see. So I'm just right now that's kind
Speaker 2: of running through my brain. You know how that might
Speaker 2: turn out well.
Speaker 1: I think when you're winning it, whatever you're doing is correct,
Speaker 1: that's true. When you're losing whatever you're doing, you've done
Speaker 1: too much, You've wound your team up too much, or
Speaker 1: you have made them not care enough. I think what
Speaker 1: the difference here with Kyle Whittingham is he has no
Speaker 1: ill will yet towards Ohio State, and the only thing
Speaker 1: he knows about is really is from urban Meyer, and
Speaker 1: of course everybody knows about it, but he's not been inculcated,
Speaker 1: he's not been in it. Have something go poorly, and
Speaker 1: I bet I'll start having a little hate in his heart.
Speaker 2: Yeah, I don't, And that part maybe I said I don't.
Speaker 2: You can maybe get around and some people really don't
Speaker 2: like the hate word anyway. But kind of two things
Speaker 2: with that one. I think we'll talk about it. That
Speaker 2: the respect is a good thing, and they talked about
Speaker 2: that coming back, and that's a positive. I don't know
Speaker 2: that the coach has to hate the other team, but
Speaker 2: I do think that there's just a balance to strike there.
Speaker 2: And if you come in, we learn from the John
Speaker 2: Cooper years, if you come in and you're not at
Speaker 2: the right level to begin with, it's hard to then
Speaker 2: hit that mark. You're going to overshoot it. Uh. And
Speaker 2: I kind of think, you know, I think some of
Speaker 2: the Michigan coaches of the last few years have done
Speaker 2: that as well. Before Harbaugh you know, made it made
Speaker 2: it change when he said they were He came here
Speaker 2: and said they were going to beat Ohio State or
Speaker 2: die trying, which was a funny joke to everybody. And
Speaker 2: then except they did beat They did not die right
Speaker 2: at least right off, but they.
Speaker 1: Did a lot of trying in various ways. Because the
Speaker 1: reason I bring it up is he was winning him
Speaker 1: was asked, have you been around long enough? Have you
Speaker 1: learned to hate Ohio State? Yet? Then he said, hates
Speaker 1: a strong word. So I went ahead. I threw that
Speaker 1: quote on Twitter because I knew what it would do.
Speaker 1: And you've got Buckeye fan saying, oh, he's cooked. He
Speaker 1: doesn't know, he doesn't And it's like, the thing is
Speaker 1: they still the players still play. That players have been losing,
Speaker 1: they've been winning. Certainly Bryce Underwood doesn't want to lose again.
Speaker 1: But the thing that you mentioned is the respect is back,
Speaker 1: because Winningham said, I don't I've never you know, I
Speaker 1: know Ryan Day. We've not gone out to dinner. But
Speaker 1: there was such a lack of respect from Harbaugh towards
Speaker 1: Ohio State and Ryan Day some of the things he said,
Speaker 1: Certainly Sharon Moore, I don't know they'd respected anything, and
Speaker 1: Ryan Day hard to respect what went on there. And
Speaker 1: now that's gone. And that's one of the things that
Speaker 1: winning Gham said that they can move on because it
Speaker 1: was the adults that were doing the bad stuff, not
Speaker 1: the kids. Yeah, yeah, so I think you've got an
Speaker 1: opportunity to be a nice, clean physical rival. Again, perhaps
Speaker 1: I think so.
Speaker 2: I think so. And you know, there were some moments
Speaker 2: of nastiness with the players, but I tend to agree
Speaker 2: it was pretty much caused by the coaches, because it's
Speaker 2: again that they're they're young guys. They've got to you've
Speaker 2: got there's different things. Sometimes you say things and what
Speaker 2: you actually do in real life, and sometimes the coach
Speaker 2: has to explain those things to them because it's nice.
Speaker 2: You think, you say, oh yeah, let's go get in
Speaker 2: a fight or something like that. That'll be cool and
Speaker 2: we'll be we'll be tough. And but no, you really
Speaker 2: don't want to do that, especially frequently, you know, not
Speaker 2: every time. You know, if you if you have a
Speaker 2: scuffle once every seven or eight games, okay, whatever, but
Speaker 2: you it can't be sometime that's like you think, is
Speaker 2: going to happen every game. That's too much.
Speaker 1: Now, you send a bench player out there, not Marcus Hall.
Speaker 1: You know, you don't send a starter to start a fight.
Speaker 1: You send somebody somebody else.
Speaker 2: Well, and that was after they were swarming Ohio State's
Speaker 2: return to me in right.
Speaker 1: That's Dontre Wilson. Yeah, yeah, that's what it was, and
Speaker 1: their shoot Lloyd Carr. I still remember the ninety sixth
Speaker 1: at least how I remember the ninety six senior day.
Speaker 1: He sent in Michigan out there while Greg Bellisaria was
Speaker 1: being introduced with his family on Senior Day, and it's
Speaker 1: like that was disrespectful. Jim Tressel having the the the
Speaker 1: drug sniffing dogs in two thousand and four, hold Michigan up.
Speaker 1: That's just safety. That's just a safety concern basically. But
Speaker 1: what did you make of Kyle Woodingham saying if you
Speaker 1: were there or not when they got to Michigan, he
Speaker 1: was pretty shocked at how underperforming they were in terms
Speaker 1: of strength levels, and they've worked on getting that, but
Speaker 1: basically the team failing all of these strength metrics is
Speaker 1: pretty alarming. Yeah.
Speaker 2: I was there for that. That was pretty interesting that. Yeah,
Speaker 2: he even said, well, yeah, we had all these like long, tall,
Speaker 2: good looking athletes, but they all were lacking in the
Speaker 2: strength minchmarks we thought they should be at. So you
Speaker 2: know that that was definitely interesting and I'm willing to
Speaker 2: believe that, you know, that's not an unusual thing that
Speaker 2: a coach will come in and whip guys into shape.
Speaker 1: For best summers ever, best off season ever.
Speaker 2: Yeah, and I mean I think for sure if you
Speaker 2: watched Michigan they were definitely lacking something physically last year.
Speaker 2: Sometimes that can be there can be multiple or there's
Speaker 2: different ways that that can come about. But so I'm
Speaker 2: willing to believe that wasn't just coach speak.
Speaker 1: What do you make of Kyle Whittingham talking about how
Speaker 1: they're going to use Bryce Underwood and referencing Devin Dan Pierre,
Speaker 1: the quarterback in Utah last year who rushed for about
Speaker 1: eight hundred and sixty yards two for about twenty four hundred.
Speaker 1: They've got a big quality athlete at quarterback who's big
Speaker 1: and strong, but eight hundred yards rushing seems like that's
Speaker 1: going to be hard to do or if it is
Speaker 1: who we're doing.
Speaker 2: Yeah, yeah, I don't know what Bryce Underwood's thoughts on
Speaker 2: it are. He may have been asked, but I thought
Speaker 2: Whittingham it was definitely there was no equivocation to it.
Speaker 2: He said, in college football, the quarterback has to run,
Speaker 2: and it wasn't even just like, oh, well, he has
Speaker 2: to be able to scramble. I mean he meant like
Speaker 2: the quarterback run game is part of the offense. So
Speaker 2: that was definitely interesting. And again because one thing we've
Speaker 2: had this discussion before, you know, it'd be curious to
Speaker 2: know he barely ran it all last year because he
Speaker 2: didn't want to because they didn't want him to run.
Speaker 2: I mean I tend to think they should have wanted
Speaker 2: him to run at least some I mean J. J.
Speaker 2: McCarthy ran in design runs and things like that, and
Speaker 2: they even had a wildcat quarterback, so it was kind
Speaker 2: of part of their previous offenses. So you just kind
Speaker 2: of wonder there when you've got a star guy coming
Speaker 2: in and if there's certain things they do or don't
Speaker 2: want to do. And Whittingham kind of passed that off
Speaker 2: as he goes, oh, well, he was like under pressure
Speaker 2: all the time and the offensive line, you know, because
Speaker 2: which I mean some look true, but still there's there's
Speaker 2: certain ways you can kind of construct an offense. Their
Speaker 2: offense was not constructed.
Speaker 1: Last well, exactly there was why wasn't this done? Why
Speaker 1: wasn't this developed? It's I mean, take a look at
Speaker 1: what's going on and you start to get a clearer
Speaker 1: picture defensively mentioned Rod Moore, who we've seen as not
Speaker 1: we've not seen the last couple of years. A safety
Speaker 1: said he's fully go said he well, so he feels
Speaker 1: better than he has in a long time, and which
Speaker 1: is a relative term because he's been out the last
Speaker 1: two years. Him back. There another safety that they got
Speaker 1: from Bracy. I think Bracy Carter wasn't they but transferred
Speaker 1: in from Memphis who he said, like, those are their
Speaker 1: top two guys and Chris Bracy, I'm sorry and Rod Moore?
Speaker 1: Are any concerns there? I mean, Ohio State's bringing in
Speaker 1: a safety who didn't play last year, but you're your
Speaker 1: top two guys, one from small school, one has been
Speaker 1: out for two years as your last line of defense.
Speaker 1: Any thoughts on that?
Speaker 2: I mean with more I honestly just assumed he was
Speaker 2: completely out of eligibility, So I didn't. I mean, because
Speaker 2: that will be I think this will be his sixty years.
Speaker 2: It might be, and so because he was yah, because
Speaker 2: he was around in twenty two and twenty three for sure.
Speaker 2: So at any rate, I mean, yeah, you've got to
Speaker 2: wonder if that happens with guys where you have those
Speaker 2: knee injuries that are kind of occurring and it's hard
Speaker 2: to stay healthy or even whatever your one hundred percent is.
Speaker 2: And it's not like he was an absolute physical specimen
Speaker 2: to begin with. I mean, he was obviously plenty athletic
Speaker 2: enough to be a major college football safety, but he
Speaker 2: wasn't Rod.
Speaker 1: Woodson or any right that It's not Erner.
Speaker 2: So yeah, that's interesting to see vision see how some
Speaker 2: of those things come together. I know they've got a
Speaker 2: handful of transfers. I don't think that they overdid it,
Speaker 2: but they've got a few guys of these Utah guys
Speaker 2: too that are looked at that'll be uh probably be
Speaker 2: useful players for them, and then then we'll kind of
Speaker 2: see how it shakes out.
Speaker 1: Yeah, some of those Utah guys JJ Buchanan slot receiver,
Speaker 1: slash tight ends sixty three two fifteen fast, John Henry
Speaker 1: Daily defensive end who had like sixteen and a half
Speaker 1: tackles for lost last year, still coming off of an
Speaker 1: achilles injury though, So we'll see how that goes. Anything
Speaker 1: that you picked up that you you don't want to
Speaker 1: throw out there, anything that we've we haven't covered.
Speaker 2: Well, I mean, he was definitely and again it's it's
Speaker 2: July and August. So these are the kinds of things
Speaker 2: that are said. But I mean when I was over,
Speaker 2: I was there for the beginning, in the end, and
Speaker 2: then I went to another interview in between. You know,
Speaker 2: he was very much effusive about the offensive line. He
Speaker 2: said he wants to have ten offensive linemen who can play,
Speaker 2: which is a lot I think in college football these days,
Speaker 2: and they're looking for they feel like these guys have
Speaker 2: developed some strength. They've got a lot of athletes. He
Speaker 2: compared a couple of guys to you know, guys they
Speaker 2: just had at Utah who were first round picks. So
Speaker 2: obviously that's where it starts. I mean, he said that too.
Speaker 2: You know, it starts at the line of scrimmage and
Speaker 2: those things, and those are the things to say. But
Speaker 2: it'll be curious to see just how those things transfer
Speaker 2: because obviously they did not get it done on the
Speaker 2: line of scrimmage last year, especially against Ohio State, but
Speaker 2: really in any of the games that mattered. So that's
Speaker 2: that's a good place to start building them. You know,
Speaker 2: my thing with Michigan is, you know, you know, what
Speaker 2: will the skill guys be like in the long run.
Speaker 2: But I'm really on both sides of the wall, because
Speaker 2: that's where they've kind of lacked there a lot more
Speaker 2: often than not in the last twenty years when they
Speaker 2: weren't good, and even actually some of their good teams
Speaker 2: didn't have great skill players either. So it'll be curious.
Speaker 2: It'd be interesting to see how that all shakes out.
Speaker 2: I mean, if you can revamp the lines, and then
Speaker 2: what else have you got behind him?
Speaker 1: Well, and he said Jordan Marshall running back is obviously
Speaker 1: they're number one already, said Savian Hyder. The freshman is
Speaker 1: their number two. I don't recall him talking anything about it.
Speaker 1: Nobody asked about Andrew Marrish receiver or Jamie French to
Speaker 1: transfer from Texas, So yeah, there are some questions there. Overall,
Speaker 1: he did like his defensive ends. So they've got five guys,
Speaker 1: including Carter Meadows, the freshman who didn't get in until June.
Speaker 1: They're like nine freshmen not en roll early, which you know,
Speaker 1: in roll in June, which is now enrolling late. So
Speaker 1: we'll see how that goes well.
Speaker 2: One I guess the one other thing he did say,
Speaker 2: because I know this has been a topic, I think
Speaker 2: he went out of his way to say that the
Speaker 2: spring game. Bryce struggling in the spring game was more
Speaker 2: of a fact that they had the jumbled offensive line,
Speaker 2: because they did. I assume that means they did a
Speaker 2: draft kind of the way they used to do in
Speaker 2: the trestle eight days, which and that would happen. That's
Speaker 2: to something that very frequently happened with the offensive lines
Speaker 2: at the spring games for Ohio States. So I thought
Speaker 2: it was interesting that he went out of his way
Speaker 2: to mention that. And you know, we'll kind of see
Speaker 2: what that what that means in the long run.
Speaker 1: And we always say, don't take too much from the
Speaker 1: spring game. But it was like he looked exactly like
Speaker 1: he did the previous season, which shouldn't be. But Justin
Speaker 1: Fields also didn't look great in his spring game at
Speaker 1: Ohio State as a secondary guy.
Speaker 2: But well that was just well, but I mean his
Speaker 2: first spring.
Speaker 1: Game, don't ye yah, yeah, yeah.
Speaker 2: Right, But that is something a lot of time even
Speaker 2: I think I think feel uh, I think CJ. Stroud
Speaker 2: had as spring game, but you know who else had
Speaker 2: miss spring games? H Kyle McCord and Devin Brown.
Speaker 1: There you go, there you go a great way to
Speaker 1: end the show. So yeah, we are now wrapped up
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