Speaker 1: Hello, ladies and gentlemen, Welcome back to the Agatha reviews.
I am the clown Prince of bad jokes, trust Snail,
and I'm joined by the Road.
Speaker 2: Taylor Field, the road?
Speaker 1: Have you? Have you done that one before? Oh?
Speaker 2: Most likely?
Speaker 1: Okay, there you go, even after this episode, there is
nothing else you had, just the road?
Speaker 2: No, I had nothing, I got nothing.
Speaker 1: Well, there you go, lais Johan, Well, we got a
kind an interesting episode talk about here. As you can see,
it's just myself and Taylor. We will be joined. Kirkland
should be joining us, he says next week he'll be
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So that's why I said, you gotta catch up. You
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particularly you know, always forget about that, but yeah, as
usual taylor Field nonsport thoughts on this week's episode.
Speaker 3: Ah, So I think that it was actually fun to
get some comparisons from this episode into like the other episodes,
because certain storylines you get to see different perspectives and
certain things that are paralleling a little bit, and I
thought that was fun certain revelations. I think I'm more
positive on it though, when I mean, some people probably
don't like how they unveiled a certain thing, and I
can see that, and I don't necessarily like it either,
but I think that it's it's probably like for me,
it fits in line with the kind of world that
they've built here with like witches and all that kind of.
Speaker 2: Stuff, So I think it's fitting.
Speaker 3: But I can see that maybe some people I'm assuming
probably aren't going to be fond of it, but it
is what it is. I think that's certain motivations that
have kind of come forward or you know, makes sense.
Speaker 2: But uh yeah, like the I.
Speaker 1: Don't know the episode.
Speaker 3: I liked the episode over last week a little bit more,
but I don't know if it was like necessarily blowing
it out of the water. I feel like the way
it ended, it just ended in a way that kind
of rea. It ended similar to last week's episode, but
it just I guess reinforced what we already.
Speaker 2: Knew, and that's fine.
Speaker 3: It gave us a little bit more depth on certain
things here, which is great. H Yeah, I guess that's
that's it without spoiling it because it's yeah, go over, you.
Speaker 1: Go over, you go ghosts. Yeah, No, I think I
think I could say this was my favorite episode just
because episode one was the introduction, right, and then episode
two was the collection, and then three, four and five
were all the start on the road, do a trial
back to the road, right, So all the episodes have
kind of had you know, even the ice the introduction
is just kind of a repeatab Wanta vision in a sense, right,
it's I guess I go in through those motions and
then the introductions or the collecting the team. Yeah, that's fun.
But I think this was my favorite just because I
was curious what they were going to do with this
reveal because in the comics there's multiple you know, I
think there's multiple ways. I'm not as hard on I
don't know her say that, and I'm not as like
knowledgeable when it comes to the to this section of characters.
I have read them, but the origins everything like that,
I don't think I ever have if I read them.
It was like a once like okay, cool, but like
the ya as I've said before, like Young Avengers, stuff
like that never was my bag. As we talked about
just last night on the newscast teen heroes, kid heroes,
not not for your boy Travis back when he was
a kid or teen. So I was curious. I liked
what they did. I liked the pacing of this episode.
I think, you know, whatever it's Myers was, but it
is funny that just earlier this week, or like a
couple of days ago, Penguin we got a very similar
episode as far as you know, reveal and then okay,
we're gonna go back, And it's funny that I feel
we I said this at least, I think we've all
talked about this, but with Penguin especially, I was like, man,
it's so disappointing because I feel like we've talked about
this with Star Wars and MCU, and I think even
with Wan Division at times being like oh, I feel
like we might have even said, or at least myself said,
oh would be great, like Agatha, I got a whole
episode now she got serious. But this is that it
is taking a character, which I think this character needs
it because it is a big revelation, Like honestly, we
knew it, but I mean like for the one obviously
the general audience, but two just going forward, it is
kind of funny that I'll talk about this and spoils
that this one storyline. It's just pretty much to the
TV for such a big, such a big storyline. It's
just if you were to skip all the TV shows,
you'd be like, what the fuck is going on with
these sets of characters, you know, for such a to
me big thing. But I digress. But yeah, no, I
think it would be my favorite. I like the pacing.
It made me like teen you know, or who he's
revealed to me, which I'm even Disney's tweeted out and
everything like that, but just in case anyone doesn't know.
But I think I'm more invested in that character now.
I liked the character more than you had already, but
this gave me more investment. I like the journey of
why he's there. Yeah, I really enjoyed seeing the flip
side of the first episode. I enjoyed all For the
most part. They bring something back, which I'm sure people
are that are longtime listeners, is gonna love to hear
me have to talk about again. But you know here
we are, hence my name. So yeah, I think this
is the top one. Now I didn't leave me like, oh,
I can't wait, but I am. I think I'm more
curious about how this shows ends. But also just like,
where do these sets of characters go right after?
Speaker 2: Right?
Speaker 1: And I guess it could just be young Avengers and such.
But yeah, those are my non sport thoughts. So anything
else to bring up before we go down that spoilers road? No, Right,
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Speaker 3: I think my body is, you know, it's it's never
ready until we're there, and then the we ares kick in.
Speaker 2: And it's like, okay, we'll go to think of it.
Speaker 1: So yeah, yeah, so now we can from now on
even next week spoilers, I don't care or call him
Billy Maximov, no more Teene, no more nothing. H this
is what I had told I guess you and yet Dylan,
I don't know if Kirkland knows. I asked him if
he got spoiled on last week. He didn't, so I'm
wondering if it's gonna be like a whoa, a big
moment for him. But yeah, so that's what this episode is.
It's much like, hey, how did Sophia flcome become? You
know where she's at this point on her knees of
the gun in her face. Same thing here. How did
it get from teen uh, you know, throwing a couple
of witches down the sand to you know where he started?
And well even where he started is not not per
se the person we know, because it's William Caplan who
is not Billy. So was this the thing that you
didn't enjoy?
Speaker 3: The okaya I didn't enjoy like it was just like
I would have preferred it if they just had it
as like, okay, Billy Maximov like just somehow manifested out
like it was like himself. But he's just my soul
and that's why, Like it fits with the witch theme
and everything like that, So I can I can?
Speaker 2: It sells for me?
Speaker 3: I just wonder, like, are the people going to kind
of like that?
Speaker 1: I think if you like the which stuff, you will
like I because I like the way because at first
I was worried I don't know why, but I was
worried he was just going to take over a living
person or it was going to be a weird combo
where someone was living with Billy and William inside of them.
I thought, well, that could get kind of confusing, but
at the same time he did talk about like, oh
my dad, you know, makes this type of suprioto, so
he talked about things before. But I think I like
this just because it's a you know, they didn't raw
Like technically, as I guess I said, he broke the
rules I guess of not possessing a body, but still
like he didn't rob anybody, right, like William Kaplan was
going to die, and so technically it's like a reincarnation
into this body here. But I love that idea and
I would have been fine if we spent a little
more time with just because we get that moment where
he comes home from the hospital and they just kind
of think he's can cuss. But I love that. It's like,
you know, it's kind of fun like obviously they don't
have this in the MCU, but it's like when we
talk about Rings of Power to the Token or the
Jackson movies, it is kind of funny, like the Family
Tree where it's like Magneto Wanda and you know him
and it's not But I felt like those scenes when
he got back from the hospital were very xavier like
as we've seen in the RGANE. Gray when they have
those moments where they're hearing voices and they can't control
them and they're talking to the voices but not the parents.
And I actually would have liked a little bit more.
But and good thing again, this episode was about I
think some were just under forty minutes, but a longer
one so I already get it, and I wonder if
there are people it's tough. I'd love to talk to
the people that didn't know the secret, and maybe we'll
talk to Kirkland next week and he'll know, and then
who did, because I feel like it is like a
longer episode to reveal something we just know right like
it's But at the same time, again, you got to
think there are people that don't know. They don't they're
not reading all these theories, they're not online, they're just watching, right.
But it takes a while, and that's where it's already
long enough, I guess. But I would have maybe liked
a little bit more if I like that concept of Okay,
you've entered someone's body, you have all it's people just
coming out of a coma and having amnesia because he's Liz,
body has all this stuff in his room, has a family,
but as he said, he didn't remember anything from the
pre accident, right, So I thought that scene when he
came home was very interesting with the parents. But then
classic you know, twenty ten, twenty twenties trope three years
later and then we just skip all that and he's like, Okay,
he's he's a guy. Now, he's a boyfriend. He's figured
it out enough of his parents not to make him weird.
So I liked that aspect. But yeah, no, I'm fine that.
I think I'm happy with him taking an empty vessel
over emerging or just taking someone's complete body. We have
a Wonder Woman sequel situation where she just takes this
guy and gives some Steve Trevor right, right, so that
we didn't want those debates again of what she did
or didn't do to him. But yeah, so I'm I
like the execution of it perfect.
Speaker 3: Yeah, well said, you reminded me and I obviously though
this is probably the other thing that people really really
don't like, a return of a legendary mcu character.
Speaker 1: Legendary. Wow, that's tough. So yeah, so in this episode,
he kind of has an idea that he's Billy, but
he never outright says it to the end. But he's
been doing lots of research the whole time. As I
just see someone in our discord come talking about the
guest star doing all this research. No one will talk
about it. There's whispers I like, you know, I like
these type of things where he has all the things
on the wall and he's like those aren't you know
spell or they're not like a training thing. It's the hexes.
And he's doing all the research like he's spent he's
spent the last three years. It feels like just trying
to get affiliated with his life, but then also just
learning some of these things. So then finally there's a
source that I can't remember if he said read it
or whatever he did, but he was read it okay,
So he found a source because no one will talk
about the West, who think government the people that live
there get to dud it's like a sworn a secrecy, right,
But he finds someone read it that's gonna talk about it,
and then they pull into uh because he's with his
boyfriend at time. I can't remember his boyfriend's name, but
I liked that scene too, when he's kissed him and
he's like, oh, like he can read his mind and
he wants to say I love you, and then he
just says it like me you know, oh me too,
is like, what do you mean too? I thought, I
thought that was good and it was a good little
moment there and got to meet the boyfriend, and I
think the boyfriend took it pretty pretty well. I guess,
like just I feel like the teenagers, you know, I
guess well, I guess again. I would have liked more
scenes with them, as far as I'm not saying he
needs to be drunk, like that's it, we're broken up
or anything, but just like, oh okay, yeah, you're another
person in the body. But I digress. Great boyfriend. Then
he accepts it. Cool. They go they're gonna go meet somebody,
and the somebody they're gonna meet has the name of
Boner sixty nine, and lo and behold, of course Evan
Peters is back, and he is back as Ralph Boner.
Ak Randall. Yeah, they love this joke. And that's one
thing where it's like, Okay, I still I'm not no
longer mad about it because I was when it first happens.
I still think it's dumb, and I still think it's
just like I So here's the thing. I'm up to
two mites. I like this scene because Evan Peters is
a really fucking good actor. I would say he's I'll
say top twenty. I don't know if I want to
say top ten, but top twenty, and he could maybe
be a top ten at times. He's been my pick
for the Joker. Go watch him and Dahmer, go watch
American Horror Story. There's tons of stuff. He has a
versatility and even in quick Silvery is great at there right,
and he has such a good way of Even in
this he does come off as like a deranged individual
that's been like fucked up, but he's still funny. He
still hits the comedy right. So I like his acting
in the scene because I like Evan Peters. But the
Boner stuff is just like, Okay, that's what you want.
I want to stick to great like it's just I
don't know, like and then even later on in the show,
Angapa has a shirt where it said like because they
established he's still living in Boner's house, and it's like, yeah,
Boner Family re Units is pitch a tent. I guess
this humor should work on me because like if people
listen to geek first, we make all types of stupid,
immature jokes. But I think it's just maybe because it's
like tied, it's still tied to that reveal, and I
think it's also just when it came the finale everything.
I think most people can agree the finale is other
than maybe the last five minutes to see when they
stick good bye the kids and everything, the finale is weaker,
like fucking what's her name Monica rambo is saying, Oh,
they'll never know what you gave up for them. It's
like you fucking tip over whole town. You know. It's like,
so the finale has tons of problems, and we're alf
Bone is one of them. And I guess like I
can kind of respect it a little bit of saying hey,
I think because I thought for sure, because they've done
this many times where they put out something out there,
and I think there's definitely some people that like it.
I know Brent, he gets a giggle out of it,
but definitely the majority, i'd say people were not a
fan of that. And there's been any times where you go,
look at mc goes, Okay, we're gonna pull back from
that this time they didn't. They doubled down on it,
and I guess I can kind of respect it in
a sense of, hey, we like this dumb joke and
we're sticking to it. But it just like it just
feels to me, what like when we get chat GBT
to write Deadpool, That's what it feels like. It's just
like when it's his name is Boner sixty nine, and
like the it just it feels way too type of
try hard humor. I don't know, it just that just
it doesn't work for me. It's also still tied to
like the shitty reveal, but yeah, they're definitely not retconning anything.
He's you know, he's what he is. He's a out
of work actor. So didn't mind the scene. I thought
it was if you're gonna have anybody be a secret
of character, there's no really no one else who would
have had right.
Speaker 3: You know, A part of me thought, you know, it's
Paul Bettany just like a vision and like doing like
this human skin form.
Speaker 2: A part of me thought, but no, that.
Speaker 1: Would have been a whild greunited with the dad right
there and everything. But yeah, what do you think about
Boner sixty nine?
Speaker 2: I had a good time with this.
Speaker 3: I think that he played this like crazy conspiracy conspiracy
kind of nut and was just also traumatized I suffering
from his PTSD. Or he was talking about, you know,
everyone had it bad with Wanda putting you in the
show where you were like watching the show through your
eyes and your mind. But he's talking about how he
had it worse right because he was in there from
Wanda's spell, but then he also was being manipulated by
Agatha on top of that. So it just when he
made a good point with that, because you can go
over your head thinking about it that way.
Speaker 2: So I liked his return.
Speaker 3: I don't think he was being overly Ralph Bonery like before,
like Boner like.
Speaker 1: None of that. They definitely toned that part down. But
I guess you could say that's ath I was controlling
him a little bit there.
Speaker 2: I don't know, but you could.
Speaker 3: Yeah, And I like that at the end of the conversation,
he's like, you know, I'll take cash or like give
you half price off tickets for my show, like we
need we need to fill seats.
Speaker 2: Like that made me laugh. That was kind of funny.
Speaker 3: Yeah, I liked I liked how everything was really traumatic
like he's Billy reads his mind and it's like, oh,
don't don't ask Abouttha, don't ask about Angatha, and just
the horror behind his eyes.
Speaker 2: He's a really really good actor.
Speaker 1: Shame this is his role, but it is a shame.
Speaker 3: But it's at the end of the day, like I
was thinking about. Okay, so we have Billy and Tommy
that like Tommy exists somewhere, is Billy confirmed here, but
Billy is the one that's kind of been reincarnated once
we'll talk more about wants to get to the end
of the world to find Tommy and bring him back.
But when you look at like other multiverses where Wanda exists,
we know Billy and Tommy exist in the real world
and that like in their own unpossessed bodies, right, they
exist as themselves, so there's obviously different variants of them.
And I think it's just funny how how dynamic the
multiverse is represented here, because then you have Boner, who
is just this random guy but is not Quicksilver, whereas
the same looking person as Quicksilver and.
Speaker 2: Another one it's it's henn and Hand.
Speaker 3: With Deadpool, you have Chris Evans that is the Torch
here when the same guy looks like Captain America. So
I think I think it's it fits.
Speaker 1: Yeah, So he gives them the information and he sends
him off to he talks about Agatha. They do some
more research again doing the classic and anytime you deal
with the Dracula or vampire or some a moral character,
there's gonna be some character that gets on a computer
and looks for images on these characters. And of course
Agatha is and yeah, goes in the newspaper. There's old
timmy photo. Apparently she's Dolly Parton's Joline like all this
type of stuff. It's like, okay, sure have some fun here.
But yeah, they track her down and then they this
is the boyfriend eventually splits off. He decides to go
to Westview because he learns Agatha's still there. We get
to see which I actually really liked the interrogation from
his point of view, where there's that's where we got
the Ralph Bonner reunion shirt. She's that scene where he
shows she shows him a book and it was just
it's just flowers, like it's just Delilah's where remember when
we in the scene that we got from Agatha. It
was she was a detective and it was like she
was very thrown off guard. So I really liked that
back and forth. And I have to ask you too,
because I feel like in the first and episode three
you're if you on teen? How are you on teen now?
Where we've been through a lot more episodes, but then
especially this one because this is like a very teen
centric I guess now Billy centric episode where are you now?
And Billy? And also, what do you think about the
Billy Agatha stuff here?
Speaker 2: I like the character.
Speaker 3: I think he's grown into his shell a little bit
more annoying his actual motivations, like yeah, because at the
start I didn't like how he was just kind of
like he felt like cheesy, corny and just overly comedic
and like it just it wasn't working for me. But
seeing that his motivations are clear here and seeing that
he's just he had actually a really confident character. The
whole scene that they had at the end where Billy
was talking to Agatha, I love that because Agatha is
like poking around at him and he's just when when.
Speaker 2: She's like, how did she word that?
Speaker 3: She was talking about how she wasn't sure at the
start and how she's like, oh, you know, what's a
sigil and she's mocking him.
Speaker 2: I like that.
Speaker 3: I like seeing that this it was all just an act,
and he's really this confident, like, don't fuck with me.
Speaker 2: Mostly, I'm not afraid of you.
Speaker 3: Mostly, I've just felt like he was pretty confident, like
even if when he couldn't pull out his.
Speaker 2: Powers, he still didn't give a shit like he was.
Speaker 3: I felt like she was definitely intimidated and she had
a little bit of that degree of stress because she's
dealing with something Wanda related, and I think Wanda definitely
left a pretty deep mark on her.
Speaker 2: So after this episode, he's definitely improved.
Speaker 1: For me. Yeah, again, I don't think because they are
on the Young Avengers. I don't think he's like so
for me, how can I say this? This is like
a layered answer here. I am warned sit in Billy
were before. I of course I'm invested in Wanda, so like, okay,
Billy's kid, But until I saw a show, it's just like, Okay,
it's just Billy's kid. That's not gonna get me excited.
I still don't think it does. I don't know how
the show is doing. I think the rings have been
like going up for the show, which is good, but like,
I don't know if this character singularly like Sells oh Man,
he's in Young Avengers can't wait. But at least for me,
it's like another character. It's like, Okay, if we got
Kamala Khan, we got Kate Bishop, we got I'm not sure.
I thought we thought about maybe America Chavez, but I
won't even include her. But he got Billy. I thought
there was another one that we have talked about that
we were like, okay, it's those three and weird at
Scar what you said Scar, I did not say a
Scar Scott. I know was those rumors we talk about
this year if they were to add X twenty three.
But to me, it's like if you had X twenty
three and then you had Billy. There's like, Okay, I'm
getting more invested in the team, and I think they've
done a good job here what I say nonspoilers. So
this is where I'm very curious again with Young Avenger,
and even when Wanda comes back, it's the same thing
of like I've said this just on Penguin and I'm
gonna use this example again. But in the opposite direction
where you watch Endgame, Sam gets the shield. If you
watch CAPA American four, he's just Captain America. Great, you
don't need to watch fucking with your Soldier, even though
they show you all there's a side story where this
he really became Captain America. Right, you can't do that
with you watch Endgame and then multi Multiverse Madness with Wanda, right, like,
you can't do that, Like it's just very random. She
loses vision and then all of a sudden she has
kids and it's like none of that happened. Where Sam
you can easily watch that, So it's just funny again
though where not only in Wanda Vision TV show, which
luckily for them, was a big hit. So I'm sure
a lot of people did see it, especially during COVID
people are just starving for content, right, That and Loci
were big hits. But still it's funny that a huge
story for Wanda has I would say primarily, I know
we got some in Multiverse Madness, but has primarily been
in the shows where it's the creation of the kids,
Vision West View them dying and now Wanda's kid coming
back is in a show again, So I just wonder too,
like when you get to a Doomsday or Secret Wars
or even Young Avengers and it's like, oh, this is
Wanda's kid. I wonder how many people are like what
the fuck if they don't even know? And then too
if they did watch one and you're like, didn't fucking
kid die? Like it is like a I think a
risky game. I feel like it's smarter to do what
they did with Sam, where it's like, hey, here's a
side story or even echo, but something you don't have
to watch this if you're invested. I think these big
revelations and stuff are tough for general audience that already
have so much. So it was just a thought of
how these past couple of weeks that it's kind of
funny that this massive storyline for Wanda's primarily on TV
and that is not going to translate to everybody. But yeah,
we'll have to see wherever they pop up. But yeah,
I thought, did you think it was weird that so
last week he gets those two witches to throw a
get of the down and then he throws them down.
I found it very oll that Atha just I guess
just popped up from the quicksand and made it out
and the other two didn't. That was very odd because
I thought when we open up she was climbing. I'm like, Okay,
we're gonna see what we talked about last week, right
where she's stuck in like a different area of the road.
She's gonna have to work her way back. But then
Billy was just there. I found that very odd that
she just could get right back up. It just felt
like they did that big moment last week just to
have him like turn like do like like a cool
action thing. But it felt it felt strange in the
moment to me.
Speaker 2: Yeah, it's there.
Speaker 3: It detracts in retrospect, the build up from the last
week's episode. Yeah, just the two other witches getting mopped,
and because.
Speaker 1: Why did he throw her in there if he just
like went down the road with her again.
Speaker 3: Yeah, so it doesn't make much sense, But I think
I do feel like we're gonna get the other witches
back in some shape or form.
Speaker 1: Now.
Speaker 3: I wonder if, like when they both get to the
end of the road, could you see an Agatha maybe
asking for them to come back, because she does seem
to have you getting her powers back already, and I
think they're back, Tommy, you think they're back before that?
Speaker 1: Yeah, I think that if Aggith I could get out
that the quick saying, then I think it's gonna happen
again too, that they'll get out of there. So uh No,
I think they'll be out of there, especially for some trials. Again.
Didn't see Rio though, which is very interesting.
Speaker 2: Gone.
Speaker 1: I thought for sure when he broke the sisual that
person walking behind him, I thought that was Rio, and
I thought she was going to be one way or
another interested that. Oh you're want Maximos kid I could
use for X, Y and Z right, But she's still
just kind of gone, which is it. I'm very curious
to see when she's gonna pop back up and where
and what's her like does she care about I'm sure
she's gonna care that he's one to some, but still
I'm as curious about that whole dynamic. But like I said, yeah,
didn't understand the Agatha thing. Just feels very odd that
you just walked down the road together again now, But
I did like the speech. Just like last I'm still
very much enjoying the I feel like Agatha or Sorry,
I've combined them. Katherine Hawn is playing Agathon still like
a villainis type of route because the way she was
approaching Billy, to me, it almost feels similar. It's funny,
and I put Penguin though on a much higher pedestal,
but still it reminds me of like how Penguin is
our main character, but they're slowly like making you more
sympathetic towards Sophia and maybe rooting for her. Right I
feel like that's what this show is doing, where you're
slowly rooting for Billy even though Agatha is the main character.
But Agatha is more in the villain role. I'd say,
right now, she just comes off very evil, and I
think that's a good thing. It wasn't just like a
we talked about that last week and now this week
again when she's making her speech about she's kind of
mocking him about, like you said, the schedule, his mom,
his dad, his brother, all this stuff. She doesn't come
off as someone like, oh, you know, like we'll work together.
It's fine. You know, I did it. You know, I
maybe was growing appreciated you because I found it interesting
that she says that she thought could have been him
right away, which I found very odd. I could have
found in the middle, But I found that odd that
she would picked up on that right away. Her reasoning
was just, oh, well, you and your mother have the
same toil. It's like, all right, that's that's kind of
a cheap ploy. Like I guess I don't think you
spent that much time with Wanda, but I guess you
did so. But I did like her little like, oh,
it's good to see you again, and uh yeah, I
would like him to like talk about if he remembers
her at that time, right, because she was kind of
like an anti like figure, So I would be curious
if that has some layover as far as maybe him
caring for her. But no, I thought that was a
very good scene. I liked how kind of scary she
still was in that very trying to be intimidating, and
I'm excited to see where they ended up going. And
uh yeah, Sigil's gone. We I guess we found out
that her name was Lilia, right that which that dead
She put the sigel on him because she saw so
she saw the future. So I'm guessing she did this
because what did she maybe worry Agatha or somebody else
might kill.
Speaker 2: Him, worried I would kill him if she knew.
Speaker 1: Yeah, so that that's interesting and I don't know why.
I feel like it's weird that she said that the
sigels only broken when you die and you don't need
it any longer. It served its purpose, but it felt
like the Schidul was broken because he literally broke it
this episode, Like I felt like that was odd. He
literally took the schedule and broke it.
Speaker 2: Yes, but so it's hard.
Speaker 3: It's up for interpretation, I guess, because he literally broke it.
But then if she technically died, then that also is
in line with it too, So who hm, who knows
that's true?
Speaker 1: Yeah, I guess so she de technically that I'm excited to.
I don't know when I will. But even if I
watch some scenes of the beginning when she met Agatha
and Teen at the time at the shop, right, because
I I, out of all the people putting the sitchuls
on him, I didn't have her as one of the people. Right,
So when we did get see Old the Witches, we
saw Alice as a cop and I can't remember name
the other one, but we saw her as doing her
you know, routine or whatnot. So, yeah, they're throwing some
stuff there and uh yeah, hopefully I don't know. Hopefully
his parents are gonna be all right with all this.
Quite quite a life they got going on now. They
don't know it, but they got this son of this
uh scarlet witch type character, and they just lost their
own son, you know.
Speaker 3: So yeah, No, it seems like you can't really backtrack
on something like that, like, hey, three years ago, like
I was not your son, your son died.
Speaker 2: Yeah, really that's some weight to it.
Speaker 3: So I don't think they'll process it very well, considering
we've got like five minutes of this episode of them
just not processing things very well.
Speaker 1: Which I found it was weird. You would think that
like he was in a car accident, he lost a
lot of blood. I felt like they're acting overly concerned,
like what the fuck's wrong with him? But it's just like, yeah,
he might be concut, Yeah, like he might be concuss
Like I found. I found that the reactions were a
little too hard. Again, I think it's because with the episode,
they don't have that much time. I would understand if
it's like been a couple of weeks later and he's
still off, but within like a couple they said he
had to stay one day, so it's like, again, he
could be have some whiplash, Like I don't think he's himself.
Speaker 3: So no, And even yet when they got home and
the Dad's like, oh, lets need the stress to stop happening.
I just want to be a normal family against yeah,
one day, one day after a car accident, and he's
already feeling attacked by his parents.
Speaker 1: So yeah, and I just feel like, uh, you know,
I guess yeah for Billy. But at the end, they
you gotta remember, he's like, how old was Billy when
he died? In WandaVision? He has like a Tom Hanks
big thing going on, right, Yeah, that's true. He's like
he is a I don't know, was he ten maybe
when that happened.
Speaker 2: Yeah, you could probably say around ten.
Speaker 1: I see how old were Billy and Tommy in one vision?
Let's see so ten they ended at ten there? And
I'm not sure. Let's see Joe. How old is Joe here?
Now I'm not saying he's playing this character's age, but
so Joe Locke is twenty one now, I don't think
the character is supposed to be twenty one because I'm
assuming he's still in like high school, right, in this show,
they came to his boyfriend. So let's say he's like,
let's say he's just like sixteen. Even then they get
at an age up six years, so there's that's a
and then obviously another three after that, but still just
six years. So it makes sense why maybe he's not
used to a stressful situation. But last he's he's in one.
So here it is an endgame.
Speaker 3: Endgame takes place in so it starts in twenty eighteen
and then it jumps five years to twenty twenty three.
Bear with me for a second here, So after that
it goes one division takes place three weeks after endgame, and.
Speaker 1: This is three years later.
Speaker 3: This is three years later, two twenty six, twenty twenty
six two versus Madness. We can say Wanda died technically
in twenty twenty four, I think, is what people are lying.
Speaker 1: I think. I think so.
Speaker 3: So it has been dead for two years at least.
So Billy came back and was like walking around but
wanted to couldn't sense him.
Speaker 1: Yeah, I'm wondering if they ever explained that, because especially
with the Dark Hold, she senses them in a different multiverse.
But you don't think she could sense her son's spirit
maybe in a body in the six one six, right,
That's what's interesting. So do you think with with Tommy,
do you think he has the same thing going into
another person's body, because again, Tommy's powers aren't really that
Billy's more of the magical one, but still the show
could just work that way. Or do you think his
soul's like floating somewhere, Like what do you think is
going to be going on with Tommy if and.
Speaker 3: When we find him, Well, he's being detected somewhere according
to Billy, So I think Tommy is I think Tommy's
spirit is just out there and available.
Speaker 2: I don't think think like you would.
Speaker 3: Need another death or something like that lined up and
you need to have him to.
Speaker 1: Be trying to find the right right vessel for his brother.
Speaker 2: He would have to have that magic, but he doesn't.
Speaker 3: He's just a speedster, right, So I think he's just
his spirit is out there and yeah, either he'll maybe
uh Tommy will have to or so Billy will have
to be like, oh, I need to get you in
a vessel. So he kills someone and presents a body
for Tommy to take over. I possessed, I don't know.
Speaker 1: I'm gonna say he's just gonna find some kid that's
like Como toast or something. I don't think he's gonna
be killing or doing anything tonight. But yeah, anything else
with this episode we haven't touched upon.
Speaker 2: I don't think so. I think that's it.
Speaker 3: Yeah, the flashback, like like you said out the app
when she's I got that's basically just been a police
detective inside of her own home, not really cracking cases
or doing anything. That was that's kind of funny. But yeah,
I think we touched on yeat Rough Boner. I can't
think of anything else.
Speaker 1: Yeah, no, I think think not because it's it's funny, like,
well that's happened in these episodes, but it's still containing
lots of it is just like the lead up to
oh who is he? But it was fun to watch
with the girls though, because they don't know he was
scar Witch's son. So that was and I had to
really explain it to them because you know, of course
they kind of think, oh, was that Agatha's you know, son?
I like, no, like maxim Off, that's what skar Witch's
real name is and stuff. They had watched WandaVision, but
I think, I said, after this, we're gonna rewatch I'm soon.
I'm probably gonna rewatch Doctor Strange anyways, because I like
that and where Wolf finight it's like a Marvel type
of Halloween time. So I think I'm gonna rewatch WandaVision
and that with them to kind of brush them up
a little bit. But it was fun with them the
whole because the whole time they've been asking since sid
who is he? Who is he? So it was fun
to watch it with them. They would have ever guessed.
But uh, let's see. So sid In says, Solilia is
the entire reason for the multiverse. Managed she put sigil
on him before he died, so he was hidden from
all the witches.
Speaker 2: Okay, so that could answer that makes sense, But then couldn't.
Speaker 1: Why would she want to do that though, because I
don't know how they feel about the Scarlet Witch. But like,
technically you maybe could have avoided want to die and
some other stuff if she just found one of her
sons there, and you know, I would imagine maybe they
could have found out about the Witch's Road together and
then maybe they will get Tommy. So I I said,
I think that's a great reason. So now that answers, Okay,
why did she do that? But or sorry, why did
Scarlet Witch do what she did? But now I really
and I hope Lily is alive because I'd like to
know why she did that. Like it so I thought
she's gonna get killed, but like scar Witch is like
pretty powerful character, so I feel like if you were to, hey,
your son's over there, like, I don't know, what do
you think? Are we ever going to get that reason
of why she did that?
Speaker 3: I hope so, because that's a pretty big reason and
they left it pretty ambiguous and mysterious right when we
saw her do it in this episode, So I certainly
hope that we get some kind of resolution to that
that that choice because she saw something and whatever that's
something is, I'd like to know. I'm just head Ken
kennonting it as Agatha being a threat to maybe murdering
him or something like that. So she's like, Okay, this
sigil and this this spell will kind of rectify that,
keep you safe.
Speaker 1: Yeah, because we're kind of in an odd spot right
because they'd first introduced one as just like a person
with powers, but now she's like a witch. But she's
never been this coven, so they kind of have some
like backpedaling to do there. But yeah, maybe we'll find
out next week. We only got a few episodes. Next
week should be myself in Pats or so I'll get
to we'll get like three episode reviews from him and
hear everything. And then we got seven, eight and nine,
so we're near the we're in the home stretch. We're
in the end game here pretty much, you know. So yeah,
thank you very much everyone who listened to this episode.
We'll be back next week, and I promise you it'll
not be boring.