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<v Speaker 1>What's up, everyone, and welcome back to the program. They

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<v Speaker 1>were supposed to be safe. That was the unspoken truth

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<v Speaker 1>beneath the snow, beneath the locked doors, beneath the college

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<v Speaker 1>dreams lining the streets of Moscow, Idaho. Safety It's why

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<v Speaker 1>parents send their children to small towns, to college towns,

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<v Speaker 1>to places like this. But on the night of November thirteenth,

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<v Speaker 1>twenty twenty two, safety died too. It begins in fragments.

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<v Speaker 1>A line of students shovels past a downtown bar. A

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<v Speaker 1>white car makes a slow, measured turn on a street

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<v Speaker 1>lined with whispering trees. A hand on a doorknob, the

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<v Speaker 1>flick of a hallway light, a phone placed down beside

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<v Speaker 1>a bed, a kitchen dark, a third floor window glowing

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<v Speaker 1>faintly in the early morning haze, and somewhere in the

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<v Speaker 1>shadows of it all, a man with a knife. This

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<v Speaker 1>is how the Night of the University of Idaho murders unfolds,

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<v Speaker 1>not as the singular eruption of violence, but a series

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<v Speaker 1>of precise, almost silent ruptures for lives ended in under

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<v Speaker 1>twenty minutes. A town shattered, a country stunned, and a

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<v Speaker 1>mystery that would ignite a forensic and media firestorm unlike

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<v Speaker 1>anything the State of Idaho had ever seen. To understand

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<v Speaker 1>how it happened, we have to reconstruct the night in

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<v Speaker 1>its entirety, not just through surveillance footage or timestamp phone pings,

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<v Speaker 1>but through space, motion, silence, and intent. The timeline isn't

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<v Speaker 1>just linear, it's spatial, it's architectural. This house was a

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<v Speaker 1>box of lives, floor stack like secrets, doors separating life

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<v Speaker 1>from death. Let's step inside. Saturday November twelfth, twenty twenty

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<v Speaker 1>two evening and tonight, The three story house at eleven

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<v Speaker 1>twenty two King Road sits tucked against a hill in

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<v Speaker 1>a quiet neighborhood just off the University of Idaho campus.

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<v Speaker 1>The property is oddly shaped, partially hidden from the road,

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<v Speaker 1>with multiple entrances and an exterior stairwell, a classic college rental,

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<v Speaker 1>functional lived in and fill with quiet noise of youth.

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<v Speaker 1>Six people lived here on this particular night. Five young

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<v Speaker 1>women and one male guest would be inside. Kayley Gonsolvis

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<v Speaker 1>twenty one, Madison Mogan twenty one, Xana Kernodle twenty two.

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<v Speaker 1>Surviving roommates Bethany Funk and Dylan Mortensen. And Ethan Chapin,

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<v Speaker 1>Xana's boyfriend, who was visiting that night. The home itself

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<v Speaker 1>was structured with basement level two bedrooms typically used by

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<v Speaker 1>the surviving roommates, middle level of the second floor kitchen,

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<v Speaker 1>common areas, and Xana's bedroom top level third floor bedrooms

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<v Speaker 1>of Kaylee and Madison. At around five pm, each pair

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<v Speaker 1>begins their evenings separately. Zana and Ethan make plans to

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<v Speaker 1>attend a party at the nearby Sigma Kai fraternity house,

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<v Speaker 1>located just a few minutes away on campus. Kayley and

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<v Speaker 1>Madison are preparing to go downtown for drinks and late

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<v Speaker 1>night food. The night feels typical for a college weekend.

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<v Speaker 1>The town is cold, low thirties with patches of snow.

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<v Speaker 1>The streets of Moscow or dimly lit, lined with tall

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<v Speaker 1>trees that mute the ambient light and keeps the town

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<v Speaker 1>in a kind of permanent twilight. After dusk, around ten PM,

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<v Speaker 1>Kaylee and Madison arrive at the Corner Club, a small

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<v Speaker 1>downtown bar popular with students. Surveillance cameras and witness accounts

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<v Speaker 1>confirm their presence. They're dressed for a night out talking

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<v Speaker 1>with friends. There's no reported confrontation no one following them,

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<v Speaker 1>nothing to suggest that the night will turn. They stay

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<v Speaker 1>at the bar until just before one thirty am, and

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<v Speaker 1>then head toward the Grub Truck, a local food cart

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<v Speaker 1>that live streams footage for entertainment. This truck, through Sheer

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<v Speaker 1>Happenstance records what would become the final public images of

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<v Speaker 1>Kaylee and Madison alive. In the video time stamped around

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<v Speaker 1>one forty am, the two women appear relaxed. They laugh.

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<v Speaker 1>Madison places in order while Kaylee scrolls through her phone.

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<v Speaker 1>A man stands nearby. Someone online sleuths would obsess over

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<v Speaker 1>for weeks, but police later cleared them. The live stream

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<v Speaker 1>is mundane, that's what makes it so eerie. After retrieving

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<v Speaker 1>their food, the girls leave the area at approximately one

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<v Speaker 1>fifty six am, picked up by a private party ride

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<v Speaker 1>chair driver and dropped off at eleven twenty two King

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<v Speaker 1>Road at around one fifty nine am. The driver is

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<v Speaker 1>also cleared. Meanwhile, Xana and Ethan leave the fraternity party

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<v Speaker 1>around the same time and returned to the King Road

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<v Speaker 1>house just after one forty five am. All six occupants

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<v Speaker 1>are now inside the home the silent hours two am

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<v Speaker 1>to four am. This is the black box, no confirmed

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<v Speaker 1>Eyewinness accounts, no confirmed interactions, no obvious disturbances, but something

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<v Speaker 1>was happening. Cell Phone records later confirmed that Xana Kernodle

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<v Speaker 1>was awake during this window. At four twelve am, her

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<v Speaker 1>TikTok app was actively used. Investigators suggests this confirms she

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<v Speaker 1>was still alive at the time. Kaylee and Madison's phones

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<v Speaker 1>show in activity after roughly three forty five am. Their dog,

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<v Speaker 1>Murphy was present in Kayley's room and would later be

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<v Speaker 1>found unharmed. The only piece of recorded data during this

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<v Speaker 1>window that raises alarms comes from a neighbour's audio surveillance,

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<v Speaker 1>which captures a series of faint thuds, a whimper, and

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<v Speaker 1>a sharp sound that some have described as a cry

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<v Speaker 1>or a scream. This occurs between four seventeen and four

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<v Speaker 1>to twenty am, a crucial timestamp. It is during this

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<v Speaker 1>window four am to four to twenty five AM that

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<v Speaker 1>investigators believe the murders took place. At approximately four to

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<v Speaker 1>twenty am, a white Hondai A launtra is seen speeding

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<v Speaker 1>away from the area on multiple surveillance cameras. The car

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<v Speaker 1>had been circling the King Road neighborhood repeatedly between three

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<v Speaker 1>point thirty and four to twenty am captured turning around

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<v Speaker 1>several times in a three minute span near the house.

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<v Speaker 1>This car will become the lynchpin of the future case

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<v Speaker 1>and inside the house a massacre. The murders room by room.

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<v Speaker 1>The killer entered through a sliding glass door on the

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<v Speaker 1>second floor, an entrance easily accessible via an exterior stairwell.

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<v Speaker 1>There were no signs of forced entry. What happened next

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<v Speaker 1>is reconstructed through crime scene photographs, corner reports, and leaks,

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<v Speaker 1>and the information remains partial but chilling. The second floor,

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<v Speaker 1>Zana and Ethan. It's believed that Ethan was attacked first.

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<v Speaker 1>He was found on the floor of Xana's bedroom near

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<v Speaker 1>the doorway, possibly standing or getting out of bed when

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<v Speaker 1>the killer entered. His injuries were consistent with an ambush. Xana,

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<v Speaker 1>based on the defensive wounds on her hands, fought back.

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<v Speaker 1>Her father would later state publicly that she had bruises,

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<v Speaker 1>torn skin, and deep cuts on her fingers, signs of

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<v Speaker 1>a desperate struggle. They both died on the second floor.

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<v Speaker 1>The third floor, Madison and Kaylee, the two best friends,

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<v Speaker 1>were found in Madison's bed. Both were killed with a knife.

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<v Speaker 1>According to the coroner. It's widely speculated that Kaylee received

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<v Speaker 1>more wounds than the others, particularly to the chest and neck.

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<v Speaker 1>Her father told the press at the nature of her

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<v Speaker 1>wounds suggested that she was the target. The killer exited

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<v Speaker 1>the house through the same door he entered. It speculated

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<v Speaker 1>the basement level roommates to sleep in their rooms were

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<v Speaker 1>left untouched. One of them reported waking up to noise

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<v Speaker 1>and opening her bedroom door sometime around four am. She

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<v Speaker 1>later told investigator she saw a man in black clothing

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<v Speaker 1>with a mask covering his nose and his mouth walking

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<v Speaker 1>past her. He left through the sliding door. She locked

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<v Speaker 1>her door and did not call nine one one. This decision, misunderstood, misrepresented,

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<v Speaker 1>and widely criticized online, would become a source of intense scrutiny.

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<v Speaker 1>But trauma doesn't always follow logic, and what she saw

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<v Speaker 1>in that moment may not have registered as real discovery

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<v Speaker 1>and the nine to one one call morning of November thirteenth,

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<v Speaker 1>twenty twenty two. The bodies were discovered just before noon.

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<v Speaker 1>One of the surviving roommates called friends to the house

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<v Speaker 1>because she believed someone was unconscious. Multiple people are off

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<v Speaker 1>at eleven fifty eight am, a call was placed to

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<v Speaker 1>nine one one from one of the roommate's phones. The

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<v Speaker 1>dispatcher was told someone was unconscious. Officers arriving at the

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<v Speaker 1>scene would later say the word unconscious didn't match the

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<v Speaker 1>brutality that they found upstairs. Police entered through the front

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<v Speaker 1>door and were met with an overwhelming stench of blood.

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<v Speaker 1>What they found inside stunned even the most veteran officers.

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<v Speaker 1>Blood seeped down the exterior wall of the house. The

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<v Speaker 1>interior was a maze of violence, stab wounds, blood spatter,

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<v Speaker 1>defensive injuries. It speculated Kaylee, Madison, Xana Ethan, all four

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<v Speaker 1>pronounced dead at the scene. The town of Moscow had

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<v Speaker 1>not seen a single homicide in seven years. Now it

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<v Speaker 1>had four. Part two the victims. To talk about murder

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<v Speaker 1>is to speak in reduction victim suspect case. But before

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<v Speaker 1>the crime, before the autopsy, before the press conferences and

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<v Speaker 1>legal filings, there were lives, bright, ordinary, vivid life. To

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<v Speaker 1>understand what was lost in Moscow, Idaho, you have to

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<v Speaker 1>understand who was taken. There were four of them, young, alive,

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<v Speaker 1>moving through the ordinary rituals of college life, shared dinners,

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<v Speaker 1>late nights, text chains, Snapchat updates, coffee runs, inside jokes.

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<v Speaker 1>In the hours before they were murdered, they were doing

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<v Speaker 1>exactly what they were supposed to be doing. Living. Each

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<v Speaker 1>of the four students killed in the early morning hours

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<v Speaker 1>of November thirteenth, twenty twenty two had their own trajectory,

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<v Speaker 1>their own story, their own relationships, and when the violence struck,

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<v Speaker 1>it did not just stop time, it ruptured futures. To

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<v Speaker 1>understand the gravity of what happened, you have to see

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<v Speaker 1>them not as a statistic, but as a series of

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<v Speaker 1>unfinished stories. Let's begin with the one who was supposed

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<v Speaker 1>to be gone already, Kay Gonsalves, age twenty one, major

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<v Speaker 1>General Studies, planning a tech career. Kayley Gonsalves had already

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<v Speaker 1>left Moscow. At least that was the plan. She had

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<v Speaker 1>just completed her coursework ahead of schedule and was set

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<v Speaker 1>to graduate early from the University of Idaho. She landed

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<v Speaker 1>a position with a Texas based technology firm and was

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<v Speaker 1>preparing to move to Austin. She wasn't even supposed to

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<v Speaker 1>be in town the weekend she died, but something pulled

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<v Speaker 1>her back, something as simple as human as friendship. Kayley

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<v Speaker 1>had returned to Moscow to spend the weekend with her

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<v Speaker 1>best friend and roommate, Madison Mogan. Before her official departure,

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<v Speaker 1>she brought her new Range Rover with her, proud and

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<v Speaker 1>excited to show it off. The vehicle would later become

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<v Speaker 1>a landmark detail in case photos. By all accounts, Kaylee

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<v Speaker 1>was magnetic. Friends described her as fire and light, a

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<v Speaker 1>confident extrovert who wasn't afraid to speak her mind, but

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<v Speaker 1>who always brought levity to a room. She had an

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<v Speaker 1>ambitious streak. Tech was the path she had chosen. She

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<v Speaker 1>wanted independence, growth and excitement of a new city. She was,

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<v Speaker 1>in the eyes of those who knew her, on the

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<v Speaker 1>cusp of something great. She had grown up in Rathstrom, Idaho,

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<v Speaker 1>the third of five children in a close knit family.

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<v Speaker 1>Her father, Steve Gonsalvez, would become one of the most

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<v Speaker 1>vocal and visible figures following the murders, determining to keep

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<v Speaker 1>her name in the headlines and the pressure on the investigation.

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<v Speaker 1>Kaylee and Madison weren't just housemates. Their history stretched back

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<v Speaker 1>to childhood. They had grown up together, gone to school together,

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<v Speaker 1>and made a deliberate decision to attend the same university

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<v Speaker 1>and even live together as upperclassmen. That choice, the decision

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<v Speaker 1>to spend one more night in town with her best

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<v Speaker 1>friend would be her last. Madison Mogan, aged twenty one,

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<v Speaker 1>marketing Cordelay and Idaho. Where Kaylee was the spark, Mattie

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<v Speaker 1>was the compass, according to friends. Friends described her as grounded, loyal,

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<v Speaker 1>and quietly assertive. She was a planner, a protector. If

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<v Speaker 1>Kaylee was the wind, Mattie was the anchor. The two

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<v Speaker 1>had formed a bond early in life, inseparable through high

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<v Speaker 1>school roommates, throughout college, best friends to the end. That

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<v Speaker 1>night they had gone out together, just like they had

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<v Speaker 1>hundreds of times before. Kaylee had come back to see her.

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<v Speaker 1>It was supposed to be a reunion, a goodbye. Instead

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<v Speaker 1>it became a tragedy. Madison was a senior at the

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<v Speaker 1>university and was just months away from graduating with a

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<v Speaker 1>degree in marketing. She had worked part time at a

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<v Speaker 1>local restaurant and was known among her co workers as

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<v Speaker 1>someone who always picked up extra shifts and never showed

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<v Speaker 1>up late. Born in Eugene, Oregon and raised in Courtelaine,

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<v Speaker 1>Madison was close with her parents and her extended family.

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<v Speaker 1>episode one right here, and in the next episode we're

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<v Speaker 1>In this episode, we're going to pick up where we

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<v Speaker 1>Xana Kernodle Age twenty Major Marketing Xana was a fighter,

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<v Speaker 1>way that people notice only in hindsight. She had moved states,

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<v Speaker 1>Xana moved to Post Falls, Idaho, where she graduated high

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<v Speaker 1>he was a marketing major, and she had worked part

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<v Speaker 1>time as a server to support herself. Xana was known

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<v Speaker 1>for her sharp sense of humor, harse, sarcasm, and her athleticism.

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<v Speaker 1>She's the type to crack a joke in a tense room,

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<v Speaker 1>to speak up when someone needed defending, and she had

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<v Speaker 1>weeks leading up to the murders, Xana was spending increasing

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<v Speaker 1>fraternity member. The two had been dating for several months

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<v Speaker 1>and were described as inseparable by their friends. That night,

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<v Speaker 1>Ethan had stayed over at Xana's house, located on the

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<v Speaker 1>second floor of the King Road House, Xana's father, Jeffrey Kernodle,

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<v Speaker 1>would later speak publicly about his daughter's final moments. According

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<v Speaker 1>to the coroner and law enforcement, Xana had defensive wounds,

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<v Speaker 1>It's believed she was the last to die that night.

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<v Speaker 1>Her phone was still in use around four to twelve am.

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<v Speaker 1>She had likely she heard something, she had likely tried

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<v Speaker 1>Ethan Chapin, age twenty, major recreation, sport and tourism management.

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<v Speaker 1>Ethan wasn't supposed to be there. He didn't live at

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<v Speaker 1>He had gone to the Sigma Kay party earlier, walked

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<v Speaker 1>casual routine. Ethan was a triplet, one of three siblings,

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<v Speaker 1>family had raised them to be close, competitive, and loyal

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<v Speaker 1>to one another. They were used to sharing everything, sports, birthdays, classes.

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<v Speaker 1>Now they had to share grief. Ethan was a gentle giant,

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<v Speaker 1>over six feet tall, with a wide smile and goofy streak.

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<v Speaker 1>Friends described him as someone who made things better just

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<v Speaker 1>by being around. He was studying recreation in sports management,

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<v Speaker 1>and he was also active in Greek life and intramurals.

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<v Speaker 1>Unlike the other three victims, Ethan was not a permanent

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<v Speaker 1>resident of the house. This detail his presence at night

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<v Speaker 1>the wrong place at the wrong time, or did his

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<v Speaker 1>presence alter the killer's plans. He was found near the

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<v Speaker 1>doorway of Xana's bedroom, as if he had gotten up

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<v Speaker 1>to confront something. There are unconfirmed reports that he was

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<v Speaker 1>He died within inches of his girlfriend, both of them

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<v Speaker 1>slaughtered on the second floor. Two other young women lived

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<v Speaker 1>Their identities were initially withheld to protect them from public scrutiny,

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<v Speaker 1>but as the case unfolded, their role became more complex

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<v Speaker 1>and controversial. One roommate reportedly woke up in early morning

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<v Speaker 1>hours and opened the door to find a man in

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<v Speaker 1>walking past her. She later locked her door and went

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<v Speaker 1>back to sleep. Hours nothing happened. Then she called friends,

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<v Speaker 1>then nine to one one. This timeline puzzled many. How

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<v Speaker 1>Why didn't she check down the others? But trauma doesn't

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<v Speaker 1>follow a script, and either this fear, that moment, frozen

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<v Speaker 1>in confusion, disbelief, terror became part of the cases of enigma.

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<v Speaker 1>The survivor became a lightning rod online, accused, interrogated, defended,

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<v Speaker 1>But at the end of the day, she was a

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<v Speaker 1>nineteen year old who saw something no person should ever see,

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<v Speaker 1>and she lived or remember it. She carries that burden

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<v Speaker 1>now every day. Four lives lost, countless more shattered. Kaylee Madison,

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<v Speaker 1>Zana Ethan. They weren't symbols, they were not sound bites.

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<v Speaker 1>There were people, and then the cold silence of that

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<v Speaker 1>Sunday morning. Someone stole everything from them, their futures, their plans,

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<v Speaker 1>their relationships, their very breath, and they left behind a mess,

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<v Speaker 1>a forensic puzzle, a city and more, and a man

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<v Speaker 1>soon to be accused of it all in a murder investigation.

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<v Speaker 1>The most dangerous period isn't when the killer is on

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<v Speaker 1>the run. It's in the hours right after the bodies

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<v Speaker 1>are discovered. That's when facts are scarce, memories unreliable, evidence vanishing,

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<v Speaker 1>and the weight of the world descends on a department

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<v Speaker 1>with no margin for error. A Moscow, Idaho law enforcement

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<v Speaker 1>wasn't just chasing a killer. They were already fighting to

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<v Speaker 1>keep control of the crime scene that had started slipping

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<v Speaker 1>eleven fifty eight am. The call that changed everything. It

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<v Speaker 1>came through the local dispatch center at eleven fifty eight am,

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<v Speaker 1>a nine to one one call made from a surviving

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<v Speaker 1>roommate's phone. The phrasing was clinical, even routine. An unconscious person.

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<v Speaker 1>That's what was reported, not a stabbing, non multiple deaths,

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<v Speaker 1>just someone wouldn't wake up. The truth would be infinitely worse.

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<v Speaker 1>The Moscow Police department arrived within minutes. It was a

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<v Speaker 1>basic welfare check, or so they thought. First officers through

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<v Speaker 1>before the visuals did. Blood thick, metallic, unmistakable, a pungent

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<v Speaker 1>scent that had soaked into the floorboards, the dry wall,

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<v Speaker 1>were dealing with. Four victims brutally stab multiple times, no

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<v Speaker 1>obvious signs of a struggle in the lower parts of

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<v Speaker 1>the house, no evidence of a forced entry, no weapon.

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<v Speaker 1>At that moment, Moscow, home to fewer than thirty thousand people,

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<v Speaker 1>with only seven homicides were recorded over the past two decades,

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<v Speaker 1>had just become the site of a quadruple homicide with

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<v Speaker 1>no immediate suspect and no clear motive. The air turned

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<v Speaker 1>coal fast. The scene they stepped into, eleven twenty two

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<v Speaker 1>separate entrance, was occupied by to other roommates. When the

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<v Speaker 1>officers cleared the scene, they found two bodies in the

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<v Speaker 1>Xana's injuries were consistent with the struggle, bruising, defensive wounds,

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<v Speaker 1>deep gashes on her hands and arms. Two more victims upstairs,

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<v Speaker 1>Kally gonsolve in Madison Mogan. They were found in the

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<v Speaker 1>same bed, likely asleep when the attack began. Madison is

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<v Speaker 1>believed to have been attacked first, but Kaylee suffered what

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<v Speaker 1>her father would later call significantly more brutal wounds, details

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<v Speaker 1>that would ignite speculation about her being the killer's intended target.

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<v Speaker 1>No signs of forced entry, broken glass, or disturbed furniture

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<v Speaker 1>Beyond the rooms where the victims were found. A fixed

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<v Speaker 1>blade knife sheath lying next to Madison's body, stamped with

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<v Speaker 1>the United States Marine corn insignia. Blood spatter across multiple surfaces,

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<v Speaker 1>including an exterior wall where it seeped out of the

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<v Speaker 1>a roommate had reportedly opened her door around four am

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<v Speaker 1>after hearing sounds crying, loud dump, a man's voice saying

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<v Speaker 1>next would haunt the investigation. A man in black clothing

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<v Speaker 1>She didn't call police, not then, not even after locking

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<v Speaker 1>fear locked her in place the first twenty four hours shock, chaos,

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<v Speaker 1>and a gaping void. By the afternoon of November thirteenth,

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<v Speaker 1>Moscow PD knew they were in over their heads. The

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<v Speaker 1>crime scene was expansive and delicate, the victims were high profile.

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<v Speaker 1>The media was already descending. The killer, whoever they were,

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<v Speaker 1>had vanished into thin air. Police quickly moved to secure

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<v Speaker 1>the scene. Barriers were erected, a mobile command center was

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<v Speaker 1>but internally things were already becoming unstable. Multiple civilians had

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<v Speaker 1>already entered the house before officers arrived. Friends had been called,

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<v Speaker 1>some had even attempted to rouse the victims. Evidence had

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<v Speaker 1>already been disrupted, potential DNA, shoe prints, and even digital

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<v Speaker 1>devices had been touched by multiple individuals before the first

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<v Speaker 1>detective even arrived. The crime scene was not processed forensic

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<v Speaker 1>First patrol officers entered the house before crime scene technicians,

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<v Speaker 1>a necessity given the welfare check nature of the nine

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<v Speaker 1>one one call, but one that could have potentially compromised

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<v Speaker 1>trace evidence. Despite these challenges, the Moscow Police Department called

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<v Speaker 1>in reinforcements from the Idaho State Police and the Federal

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<v Speaker 1>Bureau of investigation. The joint task force included sixty plus investigators,

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<v Speaker 1>forensic texts and digital analysts. This would soon become one

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<v Speaker 1>public statement and the mistake that backfired. On November fourteenth,

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<v Speaker 1>less than twenty four hours after the discovery of the

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<v Speaker 1>crime scene, Chief James Fry stepped to the podium and

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<v Speaker 1>gave the public their first update. With reporters packed shoulder

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<v Speaker 1>a fateful choice. At this time, we do not believe

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<v Speaker 1>there is an ongoing threat to the community. That sentence,

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<v Speaker 1>just fifteen words, shattered public trust. How could there be

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<v Speaker 1>one was in custody. How could they assure safety when

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<v Speaker 1>they hadn't even identified a suspect, motive, or a method

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<v Speaker 1>of entry. Public backlash was swift. Students fled campus in droves.

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<v Speaker 1>Parents pulled their children out of housing in classes, Online

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<v Speaker 1>It stoked fear, and worse, it implied that police knew

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<v Speaker 1>in the next episode, we're going to pick up where

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<v Speaker 1>this episode can be found in the description box. What's

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<v Speaker 1>up everyone, and welcome back to the program. In this episode,

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<v Speaker 1>we're going to pick up where we left off with

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<v Speaker 1>a deep dive into the murders in Moscow, building a

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<v Speaker 1>profile in the dark. In most high profile murders, police

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<v Speaker 1>begin with their inner circle, friends, lovers, recent arguments, known stalkers,

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<v Speaker 1>suspicious exes. But in this case, everyone close to the

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<v Speaker 1>victims had an alibi. The ride share driver who picked

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<v Speaker 1>up Kaylee and Madison cleared, Ethan's fraternity brothers cleared, the

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<v Speaker 1>There were no signs or revenge, no sexual assault, no

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<v Speaker 1>digital threats. But there was one glaring anomaly. The knife

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<v Speaker 1>sheath k bar is a military grade brand fixed blade

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<v Speaker 1>Marine Corps issue. It's not a common household item. Whoever

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<v Speaker 1>left the sheath behind wasn't just ca airless. They were brazen,

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<v Speaker 1>or they were fast, or they were falling apart. The

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<v Speaker 1>sheath was submitted for DNA testing. What came back wasn't

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<v Speaker 1>a full profile, but it was a start, a single

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<v Speaker 1>source of mal DNA enough to begin building a genetic fingerprint,

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<v Speaker 1>but it didn't match anything in CODIS that combined DNA

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<v Speaker 1>index system. Whoever this was had never been arrested for

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<v Speaker 1>a violent crime. No fingerprint, no entry, so they had

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<v Speaker 1>to go old school. Investigators began compiling behavioral profiles based

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<v Speaker 1>on scene layout, entry, an exit path, victim locations, time

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<v Speaker 1>of attack, and forensic analysis of wounds. They determined the

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<v Speaker 1>killer knew the layout of the house or had studied it.

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<v Speaker 1>He entered from the second floor via the sliding glass door.

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<v Speaker 1>He likely carried the weapon on his person and removed

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<v Speaker 1>it after the murders, but for god or dropped the

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<v Speaker 1>sheath in the process. He killed in a methodical control fashion,

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<v Speaker 1>indicating premeditation. In short, this wasn't a crime of opportunity.

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<v Speaker 1>It was a mission, and whoever had carried it out

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<v Speaker 1>had thought or tried to think of everything. Surveillance footage

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<v Speaker 1>and the white car that changed everything. In parallel with

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<v Speaker 1>the DNA analysis, a second investigative team was pouring through

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<v Speaker 1>surveillance footage from gas stations, traffic cameras atm kiosks, and

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<v Speaker 1>university buildings near King Road. That's when they saw it.

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<v Speaker 1>A white Hondai A Lantra, captured at least six times

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<v Speaker 1>between three twenty nine am and four twenty am, circling

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<v Speaker 1>the neighborhood. The car performed three passes by the house,

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<v Speaker 1>slowed down near the driveway, then vanished After four twenty AM.

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<v Speaker 1>It became Priority number one. A national bolow was issued

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<v Speaker 1>for all twenty eleven twenty thirteen Hondai A Lantras in

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<v Speaker 1>the state of Idaho alone. There were one hundreds nationwide thousands,

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<v Speaker 1>but once stuck out a twenty fifteen Hondai A Lantra

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<v Speaker 1>registered to a student at Washington State University. The walls

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<v Speaker 1>close in the man's name. Brian Coberger, twenty eight years old, criminology,

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<v Speaker 1>PhD Student, teaching assistant, loner, sharp eyed, unnervingly academic. When

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<v Speaker 1>police began to cross references name with cell phone towered data,

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<v Speaker 1>a pattern emerged. Coburger's cell phone at ping near the

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<v Speaker 1>King Road house at least twelve times in the months

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<v Speaker 1>leading up to the murders, always late at night, always

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<v Speaker 1>brief visits, no known connection to the victims. On the

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<v Speaker 1>night of the murders, no ping from two forty seven

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<v Speaker 1>am to four to forty eight am, Brian Colberger's phone

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<v Speaker 1>went dark. That alone was suspicious, even more damming a

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<v Speaker 1>single ping after nine twelve am, just a few hours

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<v Speaker 1>after the killings. Back near the crime scene, investigators began

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<v Speaker 1>trailing them. Surveillance confirmed as behavior matched their suspect profile,

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<v Speaker 1>nocturnal movements, obsessive cleaning, and by late December, across country

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<v Speaker 1>drive back to Pennsylvania with his father. On December twenty seventh,

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<v Speaker 1>twenty twenty two, FBI agents rated Colberger's parents trash in

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<v Speaker 1>all Brightsville, Pennsylvania. They found a genetic sample from his father.

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<v Speaker 1>It matched the DNA on the knife sheath at a

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<v Speaker 1>ninety nine zero point nine nine to nine eight percent

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<v Speaker 1>certainty level. On December thirtieth, they made their move. What

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<v Speaker 1>makes a killer? There are those who kill in rage,

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<v Speaker 1>others in fear, some for profit. But what about a

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<v Speaker 1>man who studies murder, A man who dissects the criminal

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<v Speaker 1>mind in sterile academic terms and then walks into a

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<v Speaker 1>quiet home and puts the blade to use. Brian Colberger

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<v Speaker 1>wasn't just a suspect. He was a student of the

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<v Speaker 1>very crime he now stood accused of committing. This wasn't

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<v Speaker 1>a coincidence. It was a collision. When the name Brian

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<v Speaker 1>Colberger first appeared in headlines on December thirtieth, twenty twenty two,

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<v Speaker 1>it didn't scream monster. It didn't conjure the face of

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<v Speaker 1>a killer, not at first. Instead, what people saw was

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<v Speaker 1>a peard candidate in criminology, a pel lean, slightly awkward,

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<v Speaker 1>twenty eight year old man from Pennsylvania with thinning hair,

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<v Speaker 1>a sharp jawline, and the unreadable look of someone who'd

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<v Speaker 1>never quite fit in. A man whose eyes darted rather

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<v Speaker 1>than met. A man who seemed more likely to write

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<v Speaker 1>a thesis on serial killers than to become one. But

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<v Speaker 1>appearances lie. As authorities dug deeper, the picture that emerged

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<v Speaker 1>was one of cold duality, a man obsessed with understanding

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<v Speaker 1>the mind of murderers while allegedly planning and executing one

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<v Speaker 1>of the most surgically executed mass homicides in the digital age.

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<v Speaker 1>This is the profile of Brian Coberger. Brian Colberger was

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<v Speaker 1>born in November of nineteen ninety four. In eastern Pennsylvania.

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<v Speaker 1>The only son of Michael and Mary Anne Coberger, he

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<v Speaker 1>grew up in the Lehigh Valley, a quiet suburb an

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<v Speaker 1>hour north of Philadelphia. His parents worked modest jobs. His

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<v Speaker 1>mom was a paraprofessional in the public school system, other

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<v Speaker 1>worked in maintenance and building services. From the outside, it

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<v Speaker 1>was an unremarkable upbringing, no abuse reports, no police incidents,

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<v Speaker 1>But inside the walls of that home something was simmering.

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<v Speaker 1>Colberger's teenage years were marked with extreme isolation, social anxiety,

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<v Speaker 1>and a battle with obsessive, compulsive behaviors. According to former

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<v Speaker 1>classmates and friends, he was reportedly bullied in high school,

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<v Speaker 1>ridicule for his appearance, his weight, his awkwardness. He struggled

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<v Speaker 1>with compulsive cleaning rituals, even wearing gloves at times because

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<v Speaker 1>of his aversion to germs. He was described as intense

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<v Speaker 1>analytical and always watching others, studying their behavior, their speech patterns,

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<v Speaker 1>their reactions. At seventeen, he began a dramatic physical transformation.

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<v Speaker 1>He lost over one hundred pounds in less than a year,

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<v Speaker 1>adopting a rigid diet and exercise regimen. The newfound appearance

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<v Speaker 1>gave him confidence, but not connection. One classmate described at best,

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<v Speaker 1>he came back seen your year looking like a different person,

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<v Speaker 1>but the eyes were the same, still empty, still cold.

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<v Speaker 1>Coburger enrolled in Northampton Community College, earning an associate degree

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<v Speaker 1>in psychology. From there, he transferred to Dessilles University, where

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<v Speaker 1>he completed both a bachelor's and later a master's degree

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<v Speaker 1>in criminal justice. It was at the sales where his

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<v Speaker 1>academic obsession took shape and where some of the most

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<v Speaker 1>disturbing red flags emerged. In twenty twenty one, Coburger began

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<v Speaker 1>working under doctor Katherine Ramsland, a forensic psychology professor with

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<v Speaker 1>national recognition. Ramsland is best known for her prolific research

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<v Speaker 1>on serial killers and her biographical collaboration with Dennis Rader,

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<v Speaker 1>also known as the BTK Killer. Yes you heard that correctly,

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<v Speaker 1>Coburger's master thesis adviser was the woman who wrote the

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<v Speaker 1>definitive book on one of America's most infamous serial killers.

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<v Speaker 1>He was reading, researching, and writing about murder under the

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<v Speaker 1>tutelage of someone who had spent years interviewing one of

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<v Speaker 1>the most calculating statists of the twentieth century. More troubling

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<v Speaker 1>still was a now public survey Coburger posted on Reddit

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<v Speaker 1>as part of his graduate research. The post, titled Understanding

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<v Speaker 1>how Emotions and psychological traits influenced decision making when committing

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<v Speaker 1>a crime, asked participants to answer questions about their thoughts

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<v Speaker 1>and feelings before, during, and after committing a crime. There

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<v Speaker 1>are strategies for selecting victims. There are feelings of remorse

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<v Speaker 1>if any, their planning and preparation process. The survey wasn't graphic,

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<v Speaker 1>it wasn't illegal, but it was surgical in its tone, detached, cold, methodical.

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<v Speaker 1>Looking back, it reads less like an academic curiosity and

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<v Speaker 1>more like a mental rehearsal. In August of twenty twenty two,

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<v Speaker 1>Coburger moved across the country to attend Washington State University

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<v Speaker 1>in Pullman, Washington, just ten miles from the University of Idaho.

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<v Speaker 1>He began his PhD in criminology, quickly secure a teaching

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<v Speaker 1>assistant position. By fall semester, he was leading classroom discussions,

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<v Speaker 1>creating undergraduate papers, and working directly with professors in the

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<v Speaker 1>criminal justice department. Students described them as abrasive, grading harshly,

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<v Speaker 1>but clearly intelligent. He was fixated on crime theories, particularly

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<v Speaker 1>those that emphasized control, power, and motive, but others noticed

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<v Speaker 1>something darker. He asked unusually probing questions about means and opportunity.

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<v Speaker 1>He sometimes inserted himself into classroom hypotheticals, replacing the killer

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<v Speaker 1>with I when describing a scenario. According to sources, he

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<v Speaker 1>bragged about his ability to understand what killers really think.

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<v Speaker 1>According to others, some wrote it off as dark academic flair.

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<v Speaker 1>Others felt it was more Coberger lived alone in an

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<v Speaker 1>off campus apartment in Pullman, near Washington State University. He

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<v Speaker 1>was nocturnal. Observers noted his habit of walking late at night.

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<v Speaker 1>He was seen cleaning his car meticulously. He often wore

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<v Speaker 1>gloves while shopping months before his arrest, most notably his

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<v Speaker 1>phone ping near the King Roade House at least twelve

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<v Speaker 1>times before the murders, starting in August of twenty twenty two,

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<v Speaker 1>always late at night, always brief. He had no confirmed

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<v Speaker 1>connection to the victims, no known social link, and yet

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<v Speaker 1>his digital footprint placed them within feet of the house

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<v Speaker 1>over and over again. Was he studying them? Whether he

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<v Speaker 1>followed them online, saw them in public, or selected them

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<v Speaker 1>at random, remains unclear, But what is certain he visited

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<v Speaker 1>the area repeatedly, likely to build a mental map, understand

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<v Speaker 1>traffic patterns, and perfect an entry strategy. Then, on the

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<v Speaker 1>morning of the murders, his phone went dark for two

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<v Speaker 1>critical hours between two forty seven am and four forty

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<v Speaker 1>eight a m. At nine twelve am, it pinged again

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<v Speaker 1>back near the crime scene. Following the murders, Coberger's behavior shifted.

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<v Speaker 1>He returned to class, reportedly appearing relaxed. He grated student papers,

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<v Speaker 1>but comments became vague and generic. He engaged in classroom

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<v Speaker 1>discussions about the Idaho murders, reportedly questioning why the killer

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<v Speaker 1>left the knife sheath behind. He cleaned his car inside

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<v Speaker 1>and out. According to investigators, he wore gloves in public,

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<v Speaker 1>even while grocery shopping. Then he drove across country with

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<v Speaker 1>his father for winter break. During the trip, they were

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<v Speaker 1>pulled over twice by Indiana police, once for tailgating, once

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<v Speaker 1>for speeding. Coburger appeared calm, if socially stiff, all the

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<v Speaker 1>while the FBI was trailing them. Why him, Why them?

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<v Speaker 1>That's the question that haunts this case. Was it rage?

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<v Speaker 1>Was it curiosity? Did Coburger want to test a theory

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<v Speaker 1>or was it a fantasy? Turned real. The best working theory,

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<v Speaker 1>based on prosecution filings and behavioral evidence, is this Coburger

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<v Speaker 1>was a man obsessed with dominance and intellectual control. His

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<v Speaker 1>weight loss, academic accolades, and fixation on criminology were all

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<v Speaker 1>attempts to reclaim power he had long felt deprived of,

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<v Speaker 1>but they weren't enough. He didn't just want to understand killers.

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<v Speaker 1>He allegedly wanted to become one. He allegedly planned it.

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<v Speaker 1>He allegedly picked the time, the location, the entry, the path.

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<v Speaker 1>He left no fingerprints, he brought no phone, he took

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<v Speaker 1>no trophies. He killed four people in under twenty minutes,

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<v Speaker 1>then he vanished. One thing went wrong, the knife sheath.

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<v Speaker 1>That single mistake unraveled the entire plan. To understand Brian

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<v Speaker 1>Colberger is to understand clinical narcissism wrapped in academic prestige.

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<v Speaker 1>He spoke with professors like peers. He saw undergrads as

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<v Speaker 1>beneath them. He was calculating. Watching one student described his

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<v Speaker 1>presence in class like this, you could tell he thought

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<v Speaker 1>he was the smartest guy in the room, but he

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<v Speaker 1>was empty, like he was acting out what he thought

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<v Speaker 1>a person was supposed to be. And if Brian Coburger

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<v Speaker 1>is the man that the government is telling us he is,

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<v Speaker 1>then that's the horror of Brian Cohberger was a mimic,

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<v Speaker 1>a hollow, a man who studied behavior or replicate it,

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<v Speaker 1>but who never felt it. A man who may have

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<v Speaker 1>chosen his victims not for who they were, but for

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<v Speaker 1>how perfectly they fit into a plan he thought he

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<v Speaker 1>had perfected. But murder is never perfect. And the man

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<v Speaker 1>who studied killers may have finally been caught because in

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<v Speaker 1>the end, he thought he was smarter than everyone else.

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<v Speaker 1>Turns out, it turns out he wasn't. All right, we're

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<v Speaker 1>gonna wrap up right here, and in the next episode

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<v Speaker 1>we're going to pick up with the evidence against Coolberger.

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<v Speaker 1>All of the information that goes with this episode can

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<v Speaker 1>be found in the description box.
