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<v Speaker 1>Hey thirty on a Tuesday. Regular listeners know it is

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<v Speaker 1>that time for the Daniel Davis deep dive, tucking to

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<v Speaker 1>retired Lieutenant Colonel Daniel Davis about, Oh my god, the

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<v Speaker 1>whole world's coming unglued almost overnight. The world has changed,

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<v Speaker 1>kind of like the fall of the Berlin Wall in Syria.

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<v Speaker 1>Welcome back, Daniel Davis. It is a pleasure to have

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<v Speaker 1>you on, particularly in these very interesting times.

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<v Speaker 2>Well interesting times is an understatement, Yeah, it is. It

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<v Speaker 2>is a lot of chaos and lots and lots of uncertainty.

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<v Speaker 1>That's a fact. Well, and that's the bottom line. Everybody's

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<v Speaker 1>got their popcorn out to find out what's going to

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<v Speaker 1>happen after the fall of Bashar al Aside obviously he's

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<v Speaker 1>been in civil war for thirteen years. The Iranians are

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<v Speaker 1>heavily involved, the Russians are heavily involved. You got the

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<v Speaker 1>Turkish involvement, you got the Israeli situation because you know

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<v Speaker 1>the goal on Heights and the issues there. It's just

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<v Speaker 1>in a mess. Charlie Foxtrot I think out of accurately

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<v Speaker 1>summarizes it. But Ba Charlot's side bad guy, So nobody's

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<v Speaker 1>really that disappointed that he's gone, considering his murderous regime.

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<v Speaker 1>But what is gonna fill the void? Here? We had

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<v Speaker 1>multiple factions of different organizations, some of them are the

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<v Speaker 1>lo most fundamentalists. And okay, so the way I've been

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<v Speaker 1>viewing it, and please correct me if you think this

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<v Speaker 1>is an inaccurate assessment, the enemy of my enemy is

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<v Speaker 1>my friends. You got all these different factions. We are

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<v Speaker 1>more than happy to sort of fight collectively the Bashar

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<v Speaker 1>al Assad regime. But now that he's gone, who fills

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<v Speaker 1>the power void? Yeah, that's exactly the right, one hundred

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<v Speaker 1>percent agree with you. I think your assessment is spought

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<v Speaker 1>on because we had seen You may recall when the

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<v Speaker 1>Obama administration had tried to affect the regime change in

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<v Speaker 1>Syria with Bashar al Assade and we were, you know,

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<v Speaker 1>funding all these allegedly moderate rebel groups which were nothing

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<v Speaker 1>more than offshoots of al Qada and several other kinds

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<v Speaker 1>of violent Islamic agreements. But hey, we were engaging in

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<v Speaker 1>the friend of my enemy of my enemy is my

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<v Speaker 1>friends situation.

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<v Speaker 3>So we were funding all these groups. But you famously remember.

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<v Speaker 2>That some of the Obama CIA funds went to one group,

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<v Speaker 2>some of the Obama Pentagon funds went to another group,

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<v Speaker 2>and then they end up turning on each other, and

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<v Speaker 2>so they were as distracted as anybody else. Well, this

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<v Speaker 2>guy here appears to have figured out how to solve

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<v Speaker 2>part of that problem by getting all these different factions

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<v Speaker 2>working together, or at least he assembled enough factions that

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<v Speaker 2>could effectively work together. And so they did, and then

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<v Speaker 2>they started this march. But then because of the absolute

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<v Speaker 2>rot of the internal security forces in Syria, they basically

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<v Speaker 2>just marched on the capitol, not unlick the Taliban did

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<v Speaker 2>against the Afghanistan security forces because of the rot there,

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<v Speaker 2>and there wasn't even much fighting, and it was very

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<v Speaker 2>similar how those two things came about. But now comes

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<v Speaker 2>the real question. This guy is saying. Jolani, the leader

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<v Speaker 2>of the HTS that was the umbrella group over all

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<v Speaker 2>this has said, you know, hey, we're kind of modern now.

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<v Speaker 3>We just want to govern.

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<v Speaker 2>We don't want to start this Islamic caliphaith that's going

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<v Speaker 2>to suppress all these people, all these Christians and drus

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<v Speaker 2>and you know, other kinds of minorities.

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<v Speaker 3>They're fine, we're not going to harm them.

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<v Speaker 2>But that's not what he said earlier in his career

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<v Speaker 2>in twenty fourteen, he said almost exact opposite.

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<v Speaker 3>So now it's going to depend on what happens later on.

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<v Speaker 2>I'm guessing that he's going to act like a good

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<v Speaker 2>guy for now. But we'll see if this coalition holds together,

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<v Speaker 2>as you just mentioned, and then we'll see whoever comes out.

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<v Speaker 2>Do they still have that same moderate view or do

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<v Speaker 2>they go Taliban esque and start changing when they get

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<v Speaker 2>into power.

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<v Speaker 1>Well, during this period of absolute dysfunction, I mean I

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<v Speaker 1>just talked with Joe Pollock from Breitbart, and the Israelis

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<v Speaker 1>retook that base that Siria had and the goal on Heights,

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<v Speaker 1>which of course helps Israel in terms of its security.

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<v Speaker 1>The Turks now have an opportunity to advance into this

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<v Speaker 1>you know, disarray, this this defenseless region, and they've course

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<v Speaker 1>had their eyes on the situation for a while. And

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<v Speaker 1>the Turks, I understand, will be very influential on a

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<v Speaker 1>going forward basis to see who actually comes into power.

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<v Speaker 1>Iranians it looks like they pulled the plug. The Russians

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<v Speaker 1>looks like they pulled the plug. So you don't have

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<v Speaker 1>them coming to the aid of the sad regime. And

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<v Speaker 1>I'm not sure where either of those two countries thin

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<v Speaker 1>to the equation now, because their hands seem to be full.

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<v Speaker 1>I mean, I guess I'm just kind of at a law.

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<v Speaker 1>That's why I say, am a popkar. It is going

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<v Speaker 1>to be out for a long time on this one.

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<v Speaker 3>Yeah.

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<v Speaker 1>See.

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<v Speaker 2>Interestingly, so Israel has done more than just you know,

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<v Speaker 2>secure the gold on hots. They're actually, as of this morning,

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<v Speaker 2>continuing to move closer to Damascus, and we don't know

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<v Speaker 2>how far they're going to go yet, how much territory

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<v Speaker 2>they're going to take, what they're gonna do with it.

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<v Speaker 2>They have been bombing incessantly throughout Syria and destroying all

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<v Speaker 2>kinds of ammunition, deposed weapons, e posts, basically just crushing

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<v Speaker 2>the ability of anyone to rise up to even use

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<v Speaker 2>this for the foreseeable future. Right then in the north

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<v Speaker 2>you have the Turks who have been the actual Turkish

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<v Speaker 2>army has been making some in roads and they've had

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<v Speaker 2>troops in Syria for a long time, and there's Turkish back.

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<v Speaker 2>Here's the biggest problem for US is moving more aggressively

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<v Speaker 2>against the Syrian democratic forces our proxy. So you have

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<v Speaker 2>two NATO countries has proxies going against each other in

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<v Speaker 2>the north east part of Syria, and this just has

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<v Speaker 2>a lot of opportunities.

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<v Speaker 3>To go bad.

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<v Speaker 2>There's already a lot of bad blood between the US

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<v Speaker 2>and Turkey on a number of other fronts. And you know,

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<v Speaker 2>obviously Turkey and Israel are not on the best of

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<v Speaker 2>terms as well. So there's you may need a bucket

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<v Speaker 2>of popcorn for this one.

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<v Speaker 1>And maybe it's fair exactly well, insofar as the Turks concern,

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<v Speaker 1>is this a potential opportunity to perhaps right the ship

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<v Speaker 1>a little bit in terms of our relations with Turkey.

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<v Speaker 1>Could a Trump administration sort of, you know, diplomatically reach

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<v Speaker 1>out in an effort to you know, forestall the Turks

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<v Speaker 1>supporting some radical Islamic form of government in Syria.

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<v Speaker 3>Yeah, I don't know.

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<v Speaker 2>That's gonna be tough to do, because the air to

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<v Speaker 2>one is an opportunities and he will exploit any and

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<v Speaker 2>everybody he can, and he'll work with somebody only to

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<v Speaker 2>the extent gives him benefit. And if Trump doesn't come

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<v Speaker 2>in and have some benefit for him, then he's probably

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<v Speaker 2>not very willing to do that. And Trump has got

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<v Speaker 2>a difficult task to navigate with the Syrian democratic forces

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<v Speaker 2>because does he just say okay, everything that we've done

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<v Speaker 2>up to this point, to include when he supported them

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<v Speaker 2>during his first term, that now he's just gonna say, okay, well,

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<v Speaker 2>aired one wants to so you guys are all on

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<v Speaker 2>your own.

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<v Speaker 3>We're gonna withdraw all our guys and good luck to

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<v Speaker 3>you now.

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<v Speaker 2>I will say that that should be the first thing

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<v Speaker 2>he does, is withdraw our troops for our sake. But

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<v Speaker 2>it's gonna be it's gonna, I don't deny, it's gonna

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<v Speaker 2>be a tough play to what do you do with

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<v Speaker 2>the Syrian Democratic forces? Do you give them some other

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<v Speaker 2>kind of support? Do you negotiate something with AIRED one?

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<v Speaker 2>And what if air to one doesn't do it and

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<v Speaker 2>they literally kill thousands upon thousands of the Kurds in

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<v Speaker 2>that area?

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<v Speaker 1>It could get ugly, very ugly. And insofar as israel

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<v Speaker 1>I know they've been striking chemical weapons facilities, rocket missile

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<v Speaker 1>arsenals to to you know, again, take away any ability

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<v Speaker 1>of whatever future government might have to launch it against them.

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<v Speaker 1>Some have suggested that by doing so, that frees up

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<v Speaker 1>the airspace and gives them free reiin to hit Iran

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<v Speaker 1>and maybe wipe out the Iranian nuclear program during this

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<v Speaker 1>period of time before Trump's takes over. Any thoughts on

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<v Speaker 1>that theory, Yeah.

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<v Speaker 2>There's I mean practical whether that was the intention or not,

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<v Speaker 2>that certainly is the effect because now then there's no

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<v Speaker 2>Serian to even worry about what the air defense or

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<v Speaker 2>anything else, and they have destroyed much of what might

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<v Speaker 2>have existed on top of all the other targets that

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<v Speaker 2>they've been servicing. But and you've had Jack Keen on

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<v Speaker 2>Fox News a couple of days ago, it recommend exactly

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<v Speaker 2>that that Trump should go in and basically go to

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<v Speaker 2>war with Iran, which I'm one hundred percent against. That

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<v Speaker 2>is not a good play. We do not need to

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<v Speaker 2>go to war with Iran. In fact, what all this

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<v Speaker 2>has shown is that Iran is substantially weaker than we thought,

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<v Speaker 2>and now they're even weaker still the area. Oh, they

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<v Speaker 2>are no threat to us, So going to war with

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<v Speaker 2>them gains us absolutely nothing and could cost us a

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<v Speaker 2>great deal. So we can contain them. We do not

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<v Speaker 2>need to go to war with Iran.

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<v Speaker 1>Well, I like hearing that because I don't want to

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<v Speaker 1>engage in another war. But let's face it, the Israelis

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<v Speaker 1>told the Biden administration where to go. They went and

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<v Speaker 1>defended themselves, They went into the uh Uh to Gaza.

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<v Speaker 1>They dealt with the the Huthis and the Hama or

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<v Speaker 1>Hesbala and Hamas very successfully. So maybe maybe Israel just decides,

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<v Speaker 1>you know what, well, Iran is weak, while Siria is decimated,

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<v Speaker 1>We're just going to blow up ourselves some nuclear facilities.

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<v Speaker 1>So there's that, There's that military angle, But then there's

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<v Speaker 1>also the question I have burning in the back of

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<v Speaker 1>my head as I read about the Israel strikes on

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<v Speaker 1>the on the chemical weapons facilities. Isn't there any collateral

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<v Speaker 1>concern about blowing up chemical weapons facilities and releasing the

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<v Speaker 1>chemical weapons out into the atmosphere. Same question goes for

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<v Speaker 1>radiation when you're bombing all these centrifuges. Is that is

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<v Speaker 1>that a legitimate concern?

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<v Speaker 3>Yeah, it absolutely is.

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<v Speaker 2>But that also causes me to to be a little

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<v Speaker 2>skeptical that there are all of these chemical weapons factories,

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<v Speaker 2>you know, and all the places here, because that's exactly

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<v Speaker 2>what you would see you released into the air. It

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<v Speaker 2>can't be any other way, and at least so far,

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<v Speaker 2>and there's plenty of international organizations that monitor that stuff

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<v Speaker 2>that we haven't had any reports of that. I think

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<v Speaker 2>all the targets up to this point have genuinely been military.

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<v Speaker 3>Targets the regime.

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<v Speaker 2>I mean, I'm talking about tanks and artillery pieces, conventional

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<v Speaker 2>weapons depots, arms depots, et cetera.

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<v Speaker 3>So I don't think that's going on.

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<v Speaker 2>I will say though, that don't get too much ahead

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<v Speaker 2>of our sales on the Israeli success, because they have

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<v Speaker 2>had enormous tactical success, it's spectacularly so. But the medium

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<v Speaker 2>and long term issues because none of the issues that

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<v Speaker 2>will caused ten to seven, for example, have been resolved,

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<v Speaker 2>and a lot of the civilians that have been killed

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<v Speaker 2>in Lebanon and in the West Bank, in the Gaza,

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<v Speaker 2>there's going to be some medium and long term difficulties

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<v Speaker 2>for Israel to have to navigate what's happened as a

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<v Speaker 2>result of those.

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<v Speaker 1>So they're not out of the woods by any Daniel

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<v Speaker 1>Davis Deep Dive. Enjoy talking to you every week, and wow,

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<v Speaker 1>we've got an entire year's worth of conversation just sticking

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<v Speaker 1>with this one subject matter. You know or maybe not.

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<v Speaker 1>We're gonna find out together again. Your bucket of popcorns out,

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