Speaker 1: Again. So what's going on? Clippers fans? Welcome to a
Speaker 1: happy hour hang at Clips and Dip. It is the
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Speaker 1: know that season five starts after the draft, so we
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Speaker 1: Clips and Dip, I am Chuck Mockler joined by Adam Oslin.
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Speaker 1: it's been two weeks since we have talked the draft
Speaker 1: and some other things. How are you doing? How's are
Speaker 1: we basking in this gauntlet that the Thunder having to
Speaker 1: go through?
Speaker 2: You know?
Speaker 1: How?
Speaker 2: How are you feeling schaden freuder with the Thunder hoping
Speaker 2: they'll lose? Yeah? Is that where people are at here? Yeah?
Speaker 2: Seems actually like most people are not just Clippers fans
Speaker 2: that don't want to hear everyone say you gave away
Speaker 2: two championships. Yeah, I'm I'm watching ball, you know, keep
Speaker 2: it up with whatever. The latest prognostication is on the
Speaker 2: fifth pick in the draft. And different mock drafts that
Speaker 2: are coming out, and I'm trying to stay in tune
Speaker 2: with everything Clippers here, but it's good to be back.
Speaker 1: Check it is good to be back. Before we get
Speaker 1: into it, we do want to give a shout out.
Speaker 1: This was from I believe this was from Ricky Chew
Speaker 1: who hit us up about this. Wanted to give a
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Speaker 1: Syndrome again. July nineteenth, nine am to twelve pm. Adam,
Speaker 1: I'm excited to talk about the draft, but we do
Speaker 1: have to talk about one of the most frustrating things
Speaker 1: of the season that happened since the last time we spoke.
Speaker 1: Can you guess what I'm gonna talk about?
Speaker 2: Uh? Okay, not Kawhi getting second team? Chris Dunn, Yes,
Speaker 2: not making an All defensive team.
Speaker 1: What the hell? Whose fault is this?
Speaker 2: The Clippers being eighteenth defensively?
Speaker 1: Yeah, that's probably true.
Speaker 2: I gotta be honest. I used the same logic last
Speaker 2: year against Dyson Daniels, who did make first team and
Speaker 2: was second in DPOY, and I said, wait a second,
Speaker 2: Atlanta was literally last season in eighteenth defensively and he
Speaker 2: still did up All First Team, and I thought Chris
Speaker 2: Dun should have made it in over him. Last year. Well,
Speaker 2: I could use last year's argument against myself now because
Speaker 2: Chris does team was eighteenth defensively, and I think that's
Speaker 2: just what a lot of the voters look at. And
Speaker 2: you could also look on off splits with him, and
Speaker 2: according to that, they weren't any better with him on
Speaker 2: or off. Obviously, defensive tracking stuff is difficult, but I
Speaker 2: don't think it's as bad of a snub when you
Speaker 2: look at the consistency of how these things typically go.
Speaker 2: I think last year was the real issue to me,
Speaker 2: because he got on the radar coming into this year
Speaker 2: because last year people thought he was snubbed because the
Speaker 2: Clippers were third defensively and that was his first year
Speaker 2: with the team, and so unfortunately the team wasn't good
Speaker 2: enough to at least put the Clippers on notice for
Speaker 2: being one of the better defensive teams overall, so Chris
Speaker 2: Dunn can get a little bit more shine. It's unfortunate.
Speaker 2: I feel bad for him because it's not like he's
Speaker 2: not playing great defense out there, but individually, you can
Speaker 2: do all you want, just like Dyson Daniels the year before.
Speaker 2: We're getting all those steals and they were still eighteenth
Speaker 2: Atlanta this year, Chris Dunn doing great things defensively and
Speaker 2: they're still eighteenth overall.
Speaker 1: I feel bad because they did do so much promo
Speaker 1: for him over the year. He had like that golf outing,
Speaker 1: they had one of the better bobbleheads to ever be
Speaker 1: given away. Don't look up his stats the night of
Speaker 1: his bubblehead night. You don't. No one has to do
Speaker 1: that if they don't want to.
Speaker 2: Uh, what night should we look up Chris Dunn's.
Speaker 1: Stat That's very true.
Speaker 2: It's in tangibles and tangibles.
Speaker 1: So now his salary is not guaranteed next season, but
Speaker 1: Tylou has made it pretty clear that he wants Chris
Speaker 1: Dunn on the team, so I don't think he's much
Speaker 1: to josephry awards chagrin. I don't think right now he's
Speaker 1: going anywhere.
Speaker 2: Joseph was all one hundred voters just into that one man, unfortunately,
Speaker 2: voting for all defensive teams. Maybe that's what sunk his chances.
Speaker 2: I don't know. I do blame Joseph for a lot,
Speaker 2: so we can pick that to him as well.
Speaker 1: Hi, Joseph, we did send the link so we might
Speaker 1: pop in.
Speaker 2: Oh no, yeah, Like I love Chris Dunn. It's unfortunate.
Speaker 2: It is somewhat consistent though, with how these things typically go,
Speaker 2: unless you look at how they voted for Dyson Daniels
Speaker 2: last year. But that was an outlier thing with the
Speaker 2: amount of steals he was getting, so he was able
Speaker 2: to overcome the poor defensive rating by his team.
Speaker 1: Yeah, how many guards were even on it this year?
Speaker 1: Because that was my argument. I wanted Chris Done to
Speaker 1: get it, But when we talked about it earlier in
Speaker 1: the season, I was like, they don't have a lot
Speaker 1: of guards like you like dort is obviously kind of
Speaker 1: penciled into that, you know what I mean.
Speaker 2: Like because it's positionless.
Speaker 1: Yeah, it's just frustrating because it's just not build for guards.
Speaker 2: I think Dyson Daniels made first team again, must be nice,
Speaker 2: which is you know they were better this year defensively. Ye,
Speaker 2: it makes sense if you don't aren't making the typical
Speaker 2: highlight plays all the time. And it's not like Chris
Speaker 2: Dunn doesn't. I mean the rip away steals, he has
Speaker 2: the free safety type play he has out there, but
Speaker 2: eighteen defensively, Yeah, that's good. That's going to hold back
Speaker 2: the individual awards.
Speaker 1: It's a damn shame. What's up? Punk's gone wrong? Yeah,
Speaker 1: we're back. Happy to be back. Let's get into this
Speaker 1: draft stuff. A name right now that is shooting up
Speaker 1: people's idea boards, including the Ringer who updated their draft
Speaker 1: board and a bunch of other mock drafts. Mickel Brown Junior.
Speaker 1: He's also officially the Clips hosted him for a pre
Speaker 1: draft visit. He was their first top ten prospect visit
Speaker 1: that the Clippers have initiated so far.
Speaker 2: Does that confirm? Do we double source it? I've seen
Speaker 2: multiple people saying he was there, he wasn't. I don't know.
Speaker 2: At some point they will reach him out. Whether it
Speaker 2: happened or not is kind of irrelevant. It's going to happen.
Speaker 1: I guess it's from hoops hype, so I don't that's fair.
Speaker 1: I'm not gonna people are saying that he was hosted
Speaker 1: for a workout. I think someone in the chat just
Speaker 1: put someone who also the Clippers put in. But what
Speaker 1: are your thoughts on Mikel Brown? He's got the back injuries.
Speaker 1: People are kind of comparing this to when the Clippers
Speaker 1: passed on mp If the Clippers were to pass on
Speaker 1: him to maybe to the MPG situation. A back injury
Speaker 1: forced him to miss ten regular season games and kept
Speaker 1: him signline for the entire ACC tournament. Have you done
Speaker 1: much looking into Mikail Brown?
Speaker 2: Get enough to get myself in trouble just to respond
Speaker 2: to Batinski there, I wasn't advocating for them to trade
Speaker 2: the pick for you, honest, I'm saying that's a possibility. Still.
Speaker 2: Mckail Brown's junior. You know, he had this lower back
Speaker 2: issue that apparently he's fully recovered from, and he had
Speaker 2: a forty inch max vertical. I think it was just
Speaker 2: under that. So athleticism wise, there's this dunking drill where
Speaker 2: he's just going back and forth and throwing down huge
Speaker 2: junks one after another while working up a sweat. So
Speaker 2: when you're talking about the guards and who's the best
Speaker 2: athlete or the biggest high flyer between him, flemings Bury's
Speaker 2: a cuff. Am I missing anybody. Mchil Brown Junior would
Speaker 2: be the guy that pops athletically in that range of
Speaker 2: the A.
Speaker 1: I say, sorry, yeah, it's interesting. I was like, his
Speaker 1: stats aren't necessarily like the ability is there, but if
Speaker 1: you're a stat guy, you know what I mean. Like
Speaker 1: he shot one mid thirties for thirty four percent from three.
Speaker 1: He loves a pull up three, just based on again
Speaker 1: limited research for me, loves a pull up three. He's
Speaker 1: a good pick and roll guy, which I think is nice.
Speaker 2: The pull up three is why the percentage is down.
Speaker 2: He's taking harder, you know, difficult, high degree of difficulty
Speaker 2: three pointers a lot. But that does say something about
Speaker 2: his offensive skill set too, because you know, James Harden
Speaker 2: for his career I think shoots around thirty five percent
Speaker 2: from three. But when you're doing it on volume and
Speaker 2: they're the toughest shots to defend that variety of three pointer.
Speaker 2: Then you get a little bit of bonus points than
Speaker 2: just a guy who shoots thirty nine percent. But it's
Speaker 2: only on catch and shoots when he's wide open, so
Speaker 2: it's hard to identify exactly what type of three pointer
Speaker 2: he shoots or how SKILLEDY is really just going off
Speaker 2: the percentage.
Speaker 1: Of course, yes, the defense I've been I don't know
Speaker 1: if I've been too focused on the defense side of
Speaker 1: the ball first looking at some of these prospects, I
Speaker 1: just want someone who's not gonna be bad, and I'm not.
Speaker 1: That's not a knock on anyone else on the team,
Speaker 1: but I'm like, I don't want like, obviously every rookie
Speaker 1: is a project to some extent, but I don't want
Speaker 1: someone who's like kind of learning how to not play defense.
Speaker 1: But you know what I'm saying, I think, right like
Speaker 1: someone who's not babied along right now in terms of
Speaker 1: how they play defense. He's engaged when he plays one
Speaker 1: on one, he's got the small frame. But I think
Speaker 1: every rookie has that issue, you know what I mean.
Speaker 1: Like it's it's interesting, like I wouldn't be too upset.
Speaker 1: I don't think.
Speaker 2: He's also on the taller side, not quite as tall
Speaker 2: as Woggler, but taller than a Cuff and Flemings and Burry's.
Speaker 1: Six three and a half.
Speaker 2: That was the no shoes official NBA combine one.
Speaker 1: I believe, so, yes, yeah, six.
Speaker 2: And y. It's I think it's interesting how much he
Speaker 2: has shot off draft boards recently. And I think it's
Speaker 2: one of the biggest questions was just the injury. How
Speaker 2: serious was it? And then you see him with these
Speaker 2: throwdowns at a workout and that kind of alleviates that
Speaker 2: concern right there.
Speaker 1: Right.
Speaker 2: So if his athleticism gets him to a higher ceiling
Speaker 2: of a player, while he may be more of a
Speaker 2: project early on or a little bit more raw, but
Speaker 2: he can develop into somebody that maybe has superstar potential
Speaker 2: versus some of these other guys. That's probably the allure
Speaker 2: of Michale Brown Jr.
Speaker 1: I like this comment from Garrett Griffin fifteen sixty nine.
Speaker 1: So that he can lock in, we're talking on defense,
Speaker 1: he can lock in, but watching full game film, not
Speaker 1: just highlights, he's pretty inattentive off ball in poor screen
Speaker 1: navigation to be expected with a twenty year old like
Speaker 1: it's it's not to the extent that a cuff, But
Speaker 1: when you're doing that much for the offense in college basketball,
Speaker 1: it seems like they're not. The coaches aren't depressed about
Speaker 1: the defensive side of the ball.
Speaker 2: Yeah, and they played too. They can play two three
Speaker 2: zone and just stick a big man in the middle
Speaker 2: guarding the basket in college, so that kind of makes
Speaker 2: up for a lot. It's a different game in many ways.
Speaker 2: I see Quin Cornett in here. Hey, I'm glad you
Speaker 2: said Chris done this elite defender he is. It turns out,
Speaker 2: it turns out in the NBA that you can have
Speaker 2: an elite defender and still not be a good team defense.
Speaker 1: Put in time out today, if you're bringing if you're bringing.
Speaker 2: Bullshit, guy's got to be connected out there. Team game
Speaker 2: gotta be connected.
Speaker 1: I do like a lot of the scouting reports on
Speaker 1: Brown said he has quick hands in the passing lanes,
Speaker 1: which like, yeah, like we're watching a team right now.
Speaker 1: The Spurs, who clearly have drilled into their guys be
Speaker 1: in the passing lanes. However, you can be and it's
Speaker 1: something that we see from Chris Dunn and things like that.
Speaker 1: So I like that aspect. I like, that's one of
Speaker 1: my favorite traits to see in a rookie at this stage,
Speaker 1: where it's like, oh, he's active in the passing lanes,
Speaker 1: He's able to make good decisions on when to tip
Speaker 1: passes and stuff like that. Like that is something that
Speaker 1: I did like on his scouting reports.
Speaker 2: Yeah, it feels like when it comes to defend defensive
Speaker 2: acumen and guys coming out of college that's more of
Speaker 2: a wild card of how they're going to shake out
Speaker 2: at the next level defensively, So maybe we don't put
Speaker 2: as much into grinding and trying to see how good
Speaker 2: he's going to be on that end. You know, I
Speaker 2: don't know if everybody thought Chris Dunn was going to
Speaker 2: be this good of a defender coming out because he
Speaker 2: was scoring more thanah.
Speaker 1: I don't think he was drafted for his defense.
Speaker 2: Would be my gues He realized, I think he was solid,
Speaker 2: but he realized he had to change who he was
Speaker 2: as a player in order to make it in this league.
Speaker 1: Yeah, I'm very smart.
Speaker 2: Yeah, and he was was he fifth or sixth.
Speaker 1: Check?
Speaker 2: It was? He was definitely top ten. I mean he
Speaker 2: was a baller, and I think they made this week's
Speaker 2: Sweet sixteen.
Speaker 1: Yeah, Garrett Griffin, thank you for the great comments. Garrett Griffin.
Speaker 1: If he says, if you trust the Clips coaching development
Speaker 1: they're in, I'll tell you what I like Van Gundy
Speaker 1: being part of that development. That's something that I do
Speaker 1: have to remind myself with looking at a lot of
Speaker 1: these guards, is that we do have Van Gundy. Who's
Speaker 1: getting a guy right. You know, he's not getting somebod
Speaker 1: who's been in the league a couple of years who
Speaker 1: might have league bad habits. He's getting a multiple piece
Speaker 1: of clay or cookie dough if you're a Zulander fan,
Speaker 1: to try and get this defensive acumen heightened. Obviously not
Speaker 1: elite or something like that, but good.
Speaker 2: Of course, teams are circling around Van Gundy. He's trying
Speaker 2: to see if he wants to be a head coach. Again.
Speaker 1: Yeah, I don't believe that Blazer's report. I was like,
Speaker 1: this feels like bull Like, why would Van Gundy go
Speaker 1: to this owner's team, Like from what he said about
Speaker 1: owners disrespecting coaches and stuff like that, I couldn't see
Speaker 1: Van Gundy coaching for that owner.
Speaker 2: I do think development the last couple of years has
Speaker 2: been encouraging with the young guys. That's something to look
Speaker 2: at when you're talking about drafting somebody who may be
Speaker 2: on the a little bit of the underdeveloped, more raw side,
Speaker 2: mckil brown. So the Clippers seem to have some positivity
Speaker 2: in that direction.
Speaker 1: As of late, Brad Semmler bringing up a point that
Speaker 1: I literally just added to the breakdown like a second
Speaker 1: before we started this. There's been some chatter uh. ESPN's
Speaker 1: Jeremy Wu wrote that rival teams are viewing Karim Lopez
Speaker 1: as a trade back candidate in the case of the
Speaker 1: Clippers and the Nats. So this would be a trade
Speaker 1: back scenario. But I I don't know, I'm not as
Speaker 1: in love with this idea. I don't like I would
Speaker 1: be kind of upset if they traded back to get
Speaker 1: from the top five for a guy who's I don't know,
Speaker 1: you know what, Like he's nineteen, he's just turned nineteen.
Speaker 1: He played in New Zealand, which that it's a very
Speaker 1: physical league and stuff like that. But I don't know, man,
Speaker 1: I know he's a big, but he's not like a
Speaker 1: defensive stalwart big or something like that. The development seems
Speaker 1: like it'd be really long for someone. For Karam Lopez,
Speaker 1: the mold is there. He's gigantic, you know what I mean,
Speaker 1: Like he has the frame, but I don't know about
Speaker 1: that one.
Speaker 2: Well, we've already had, you know, a son play with
Speaker 2: his father in LA and now you've got Karim Lopez
Speaker 2: and Brook Lopez to get like this is okay, I'll
Speaker 2: take it the one guy that okay. First of all,
Speaker 2: if you're going to trade back, the only way I
Speaker 2: would do that, well, it means there's too many unknowns
Speaker 2: and you don't believe anybody is an obvious star. Where
Speaker 2: you're drafting at five and the obvious stars already went
Speaker 2: in the top four. So if we're taking a risk
Speaker 2: anyways and it turns into a craft shooting, and that
Speaker 2: does seem to be more of the hinge swing point
Speaker 2: of the draft a little bit, where the first four
Speaker 2: seem obvious. We'll see what happens on draft night, but
Speaker 2: after that it gets a little bit more murky. If
Speaker 2: you don't think one of those guys you know has
Speaker 2: all star superstar potential and you're drafting that high, then
Speaker 2: I would trade back because if you're drafting that high,
Speaker 2: you better get somebody that has a high enough ceiling there,
Speaker 2: because it's a guy who knows how many times you're
Speaker 2: gonna have this good of a draft pick, especially with
Speaker 2: the new rules being implemented out, so you have to
Speaker 2: swing for the fences, even if you know you take
Speaker 2: a risk on a guy who has more question marks,
Speaker 2: but the athleticism is so off the charge or NBA
Speaker 2: body is there. I think you have to do that
Speaker 2: that position. But the Clippers could think differently the one
Speaker 2: guy that.
Speaker 1: Uh, because couldn't you also draft a guy at five
Speaker 1: and then trade that guy? Like that's the other sure?
Speaker 1: Like I mean I would I would rather that than
Speaker 1: move back for some reason, I'm not interested in moving back, Like.
Speaker 2: Well, they're not going to move back untill they're on
Speaker 2: the clock. Yes, there's no way the guy could drop out.
Speaker 2: Caleb Wilson doesn't get picked in the top four and
Speaker 2: all of a sudden, what if somebody else, what if
Speaker 2: Memphis or Chicago. I saw a report earlier the Bulls
Speaker 2: talking about a coff like he used their new Derrick
Speaker 2: Rose And what if one of those teams surprises you
Speaker 2: and all of a sudden, Boozer or Caleb Wilson becomes available.
Speaker 2: So you definitely can't do it before you're on the clock.
Speaker 1: Right. We talked about like two weeks ago. We were like,
Speaker 1: it kind of hinges on what the Bulls do because yeah,
Speaker 1: and they could go in many directions, and you should
Speaker 1: never try and predict what the Bulls are going to
Speaker 1: do now that they have a new they have some
Speaker 1: new front office people. It's gonna come down to the wire.
Speaker 1: But yeah, I just will who will Updyke, you know,
Speaker 1: obviously wants the Clips to move back to Yoxall Lindelboard.
Speaker 1: I don't know about that. No one seems to be
Speaker 1: on board with my idea of Braden Burry's at five,
Speaker 1: not even like no nobody has supported that, so I
Speaker 1: think I might be abandoning it.
Speaker 2: I like Bury's, but do you need to take him
Speaker 2: at five? That's you could also trade back for.
Speaker 1: And I'm also like, how far could you even moved?
Speaker 1: Like I guess, I just don't know, because the move
Speaker 1: down scenario is that someone in this top four doesn't
Speaker 1: get picked, and then another team like the Kings freaks out,
Speaker 1: you know what I mean, and makes a move or
Speaker 1: something like that.
Speaker 2: But I think they're freaking out regardless. I think they
Speaker 2: want a cup bad.
Speaker 1: Yeah, I wonder what they'd give us a move up
Speaker 1: to five, they'll probably wait, we're not gonna mad. This
Speaker 1: is gonna be a tense fucking draft.
Speaker 2: One guy that's caught my eye if you're moving back,
Speaker 2: the kid out of Tennessee, Nate Ahman, who going into
Speaker 2: this year they thought he could be a top five pick.
Speaker 2: He has some Yiannis capabilities with his frame is ball handling,
Speaker 2: but he's a much better shooter. He's wiry, he's long,
Speaker 2: he's lanky, he's raw. He's really interesting as a big.
Speaker 2: That's somebody that I've been watching some highlights with and making. Okay,
Speaker 2: that's interesting to me. If you are going to move
Speaker 2: back if he's still around, Yeah, I'm.
Speaker 1: Not mad at that because I've said, like, it is
Speaker 1: kind of not unfortunate for the Clippers, but it is
Speaker 1: not necessarily the most advantageous draft in terms of the guys,
Speaker 1: Like it's just a very guard heavy draft, and the
Speaker 1: Clippers made the trade. Obviously Darius Garland's here, but like,
Speaker 1: it's unfortunate that three of the top four guys are
Speaker 1: forwards and then like six of the top ten are
Speaker 1: our guards. So I wouldn't. Yeah, yeah, good.
Speaker 2: I'm of the belief that having Darius Garland should not
Speaker 2: weigh on anyone's mind of who they take in this draft.
Speaker 1: It can't.
Speaker 2: Yeah, you have to get best player available. Now. If
Speaker 2: two guys are right there on your draft board, next
Speaker 2: to each other, and one's at a position that is
Speaker 2: more open to slide into now, then yeah, I go
Speaker 2: with that guy. But if there's a difference, if there's
Speaker 2: a differentiator that you really think, okay, this one, I'm
Speaker 2: slotting him a little bit higher on the draft board.
Speaker 2: I'm going with that guy regardless of position. Because the
Speaker 2: Clippers are not, as LaRence Frank said in the season
Speaker 2: ending exit interview, they are in the competitive here right
Speaker 2: now in the NBA, they're not in the contender. And
Speaker 2: to me, unless you're a contender that is looking for
Speaker 2: something specific in the draft, a hole that you can fill,
Speaker 2: then you better be drafting best player available.
Speaker 1: You're James Wiseman's It's an example. I like what Garrett
Speaker 1: Griffin said hear about a cuff and the hit factor.
Speaker 1: You do watch a Cuff play and you're like, damn,
Speaker 1: like this this kid has something, And again, what the
Speaker 1: rookie scale. The rookie salary becomes so much more important
Speaker 1: with the Aprons, with all of this new bullshit from
Speaker 1: the Commissioner of the NBA that we're seeing that rookie,
Speaker 1: that rookie contract is important for a team like the Clippers,
Speaker 1: who do have a fair flexibility.
Speaker 2: We look at the teams in the Western Conference finals
Speaker 2: right now and how many guys they have on team
Speaker 2: friend the still rookie deals. I mean, it makes all
Speaker 2: the difference in the world. We're already talking about. Okay, see,
Speaker 2: he has to make some decisions this summer, but they've
Speaker 2: been in that perfect spot where you still It's kind
Speaker 2: of like in the NFL. You know, you build around
Speaker 2: the young quarterback, but then eventually you have to pay
Speaker 2: him and it can gut the rest of your roster,
Speaker 2: like we saw maybe the Seahawks and Russell Wilson at
Speaker 2: one point, or you know, justin Herbert. Everybody has to
Speaker 2: deal with that eventually.
Speaker 1: But or you just pay two a year early and
Speaker 1: then ruin everything.
Speaker 2: Sorry, Oh, if you want to fast track, you like,
Speaker 2: I'm trying to move on, so are they.
Speaker 1: I cannot wait. This is going to sound crazy. I
Speaker 1: cannot wait. For Dolphins football.
Speaker 2: You guys don't play Atlanta this year?
Speaker 1: Do you?
Speaker 2: Are you playing the NFC South? Let me see your division?
Speaker 2: Does that'd be interesting? I think we get a pants
Speaker 2: Dolphins game.
Speaker 1: Then I think we play them in the preseason. We
Speaker 1: play in the last game of the preseason, but I
Speaker 1: think that I think they would absolutely destroy Toua. It's
Speaker 1: just the preseason. I can't wait to watch this team
Speaker 1: win three games. Dude, I'm a complete sick Oh, Like,
Speaker 1: I'm so hyped. I was watching blocking tight end highlights
Speaker 1: the other day. We gotta we gotta vote for a
Speaker 1: Cuff in the draft. A Cuff is the guy great
Speaker 1: draft combined stats, SEC Champ and John Calipari stamp of approval.
Speaker 1: That is one thing that keeps lingering with me when
Speaker 1: I when I start questioning the Acuff pick at five,
Speaker 1: I'm like, he is coached by the guy who continues
Speaker 1: to produce very good guards in the NBA. Like he's
Speaker 1: got that formula figured out.
Speaker 2: The pedigree is there two weeks ago? That's where I
Speaker 2: was leaning. I'm still there, but you could talk me
Speaker 2: out of it easily. You could talk me into another guy.
Speaker 2: I'm not fully committed I don't have that level of
Speaker 2: conviction with anybody because the draft is it's wild. But
Speaker 2: I just think when you're talking about a polished offensive
Speaker 2: player that could easily come into the league and average
Speaker 2: fifteen points per game right away, that looks like a cuff.
Speaker 2: But the question is is that also a winning player?
Speaker 2: Because we know so much more with advanced stats now
Speaker 2: and actual impact versus just the raw numbers and traditional
Speaker 2: numbers out there. Obviously he has to be a better defender,
Speaker 2: but he does look like somebody that has a lot
Speaker 2: of poison, some of those intangibles you'd look for in
Speaker 2: a guy.
Speaker 1: So this is funny. Gilbert Rivera bringing this up, he said,
Speaker 1: so we agree, no more Keaton Woggler. I don't know
Speaker 1: if I'm out on Woggler, but he is and I
Speaker 1: would obviously love to be proven wrong on this, but
Speaker 1: he's not in my Like if we drafted Woggar would
Speaker 1: say great, I hope this works out. That's awesome, But
Speaker 1: he's not as exciting. I don't think like it's he
Speaker 1: just worked really hard to get buckets in college.
Speaker 2: I think that's what Alfonso Lopez is missing when he
Speaker 2: says he's a combo of Steph and Shay, like comparing
Speaker 2: him to that's a Hall of Famer. Shaye will be
Speaker 2: a Hall of Famer as well. Like, that's just an
Speaker 2: insane comp I'm sorry, Like, just because he has a
Speaker 2: flash here and there of a similar type of move
Speaker 2: does not mean he can do it consistently, does not
Speaker 2: mean he can do it at the next level consistently.
Speaker 2: That's putting way too much pressure on a young player
Speaker 2: like that.
Speaker 1: He also doesn't play, Like, Yeah, I just I people.
Speaker 1: I hate player comps. I know it's something that it's
Speaker 1: you kind of do in your own mind, but I
Speaker 1: hate when it's like, oh, he moves like Shay. It's
Speaker 1: like he he doesn't. And that's not a bad thing.
Speaker 1: Was it really got that comp out of college. I'll
Speaker 1: never forget it. It was like, oh, Kawahi, but he can shoot,
Speaker 1: and you like, I don't know, man, Like, that's a
Speaker 1: very unfairb.
Speaker 2: Remember when Jordan Miller was doing the d cell when
Speaker 2: he first got into the rotation two years ago, and
Speaker 2: everybody's like, oh my god, he could be Shay. Yeah, guys,
Speaker 2: there's I wish you know what I mean, players can
Speaker 2: mimic a guy's one move and do it here and there,
Speaker 2: but never turn into that type of player. That's just
Speaker 2: I don't think that's that's fair analysis, And I agree
Speaker 2: with you. I'm not out on Woggler at all. No,
Speaker 2: I just do think there's a real concern with if
Speaker 2: you have to work that hard to get buckets in
Speaker 2: college because you lack the wiggle burst athleticism, ability to
Speaker 2: turn the corner and you're basically using off arm and
Speaker 2: pushing guys around a little bit, I don't know if
Speaker 2: that's gonna work at the next level to that degree.
Speaker 2: Can you put on more size? Can that change? Sure?
Speaker 2: Is his playmaking making up for it? Maybe? I just
Speaker 2: I don't think it's as simple as helping him to
Speaker 2: Steph and SGA because of a couple of moments. I
Speaker 2: went back and watched SGA at Kentucky recently just to
Speaker 2: see that comparison, because you know, a lot of people
Speaker 2: have have said that SGA clearly had more wiggle ability
Speaker 2: to beat his man off the dribble than Wobbler, and.
Speaker 1: Knew how to use his frame, knew how to use
Speaker 1: his slight. He was so he was a small player
Speaker 1: as a rookie.
Speaker 2: Like he was, Oh yeah, I couldn't believe when I
Speaker 2: saw him a media day, I was like, oh my god,
Speaker 2: is this string being Because you know, like guys either
Speaker 2: look much bigger, much smaller, or batter skinnier in person.
Speaker 2: Shaye was one of those that really stands out when
Speaker 2: you see him in person. And that was his rookie
Speaker 2: year and that was him and his Finnis in the NBA.
Speaker 1: I've been Yeah, I've been the skinny player on the
Speaker 1: team all my life, and it is like yo, yeah,
Speaker 1: Like once you put that jersey on, it's not it
Speaker 1: does not do you any favors.
Speaker 2: See other people like Acuff the next coming to d Rose,
Speaker 2: Like did you watch de Rose? He does not have
Speaker 2: that level of athleticism you're talking about d Rose on
Speaker 2: the knicks Like d Rose before all the knee injuries. Uh,
Speaker 2: one of the most athletic, freakish athletes we've ever seen.
Speaker 2: A Cuff is not that he's but but he's more
Speaker 2: well rounded in his game and has a much better
Speaker 2: shot coming out of college.
Speaker 1: Yes, absolutely, from the outside, it's it's yeah, you can't
Speaker 1: really compare it. Anthony Robinson saying Luca doesn't pet.
Speaker 2: Yeah, he's freaking huge, He's huge seventy bro. He literally
Speaker 2: weighs one hundred more pounds than Walkler, Like, what are
Speaker 2: we talking about? Have also better athletes when he was
Speaker 2: coming out.
Speaker 1: And he also played in like the second best league
Speaker 1: in the world.
Speaker 2: It was a pro at twelve.
Speaker 1: But this is something we do know. What if we
Speaker 1: get Woggler on awaken plan and he gains one hundred pounds,
Speaker 1: then we're good.
Speaker 2: The difference is okay. Luka Dancics was quicker before he
Speaker 2: started to gain the weight. Woggler starting at a position
Speaker 2: where he's not even as quicker as shifty as Luca
Speaker 2: was at probably two twenty or whatever Luca was coming out. Yeah,
Speaker 2: if he's already slow it this weight, I'm concerned he
Speaker 2: puts more weight on. There's something more athleticism. You could
Speaker 2: do that with Luca because the starting point was a
Speaker 2: little bit higher with his athleticism. Go watch Luca's rookie year,
Speaker 2: go watch his highlights. Soberseas like he was definitely a
Speaker 2: better athlete.
Speaker 1: I'll follow those things. Same stuff they said about Steph
Speaker 1: when he came out of Davidson. That's why he got
Speaker 1: drafted seven. I don't know man did Stephan Anyway, all right,
Speaker 1: we're moving on from the Woggler player cops, because so
Speaker 1: far we've heard Luca say Steph.
Speaker 2: Steph wasn't backing his man down and using spin moves
Speaker 2: with craftiness around the rim like Woggler can do at
Speaker 2: the college level. I just don't know if that can
Speaker 2: translate against NBA guys. Steph was pulling up from everywhere
Speaker 2: at Davidson. They're not the same, and it was on.
Speaker 1: All these guys. So what's interesting to you with all
Speaker 1: these picks is fans are gonna want this guy to
Speaker 1: contribute right away. And if let's not forget that Bradley
Speaker 1: Beal is still on this team. Yeah, which is easy
Speaker 1: to forget. No disrespect to Bradley Beal, but sometimes you're like, oh, yeah,
Speaker 1: Bradley Beal is assumedly penciled in, is the starting two guard.
Speaker 2: When did he get hurt Game three? Yeah, I mean, yeah,
Speaker 2: it's out of side, out of mind. But and it's
Speaker 2: a good contract. But how is he gonna look coming
Speaker 2: off as rare injury? I have no idea.
Speaker 1: I couldn't tell you. So maybe that does maybe we
Speaker 1: get a thing. There's just a lot of question marks.
Speaker 2: Like.
Speaker 1: The front office itself does want someone I'm assuming who's
Speaker 1: obviously gonna be able to help contribute in this window
Speaker 1: of like winning with Kawhi from what we've heard, which
Speaker 1: also I would like to give a tip of the
Speaker 1: hat to Justin Russo who tweeted out I feel compelled
Speaker 1: to say that all of the Kawhi Leonard trade packages
Speaker 1: that get floated out and mock drafts are terrible and
Speaker 1: the people doing them should feel bad. I haven't seen
Speaker 1: a single good idea for a Kawhi trade, Like the
Speaker 1: Pistons wanted, but they're giving us their twenty twenty eight
Speaker 1: first round pick, and you're like great.
Speaker 2: So now you're like, are they Are they going to
Speaker 2: finish four through ten? Because then you get three lottery balls.
Speaker 2: You have to just shift your mind You have to
Speaker 2: change your mindset. With the new lottery rules, maybe.
Speaker 1: They would finish fourth through ten if we traded them Kawhi.
Speaker 1: They're probably not winning sixty games.
Speaker 2: Again, sometimes I can't tell sometimes if we're too much
Speaker 2: in the Clippers bubble and overvaluing Kawhi because he's about
Speaker 2: to be thirty five, or for undervaluing him because his
Speaker 2: season was that spectacular.
Speaker 1: I would like to.
Speaker 2: It just didn't end well, you know, it didn't didn't
Speaker 2: have a great game against Golden State, and that is
Speaker 2: reframing how people see Kawhi. I think that's why he
Speaker 2: only got four votes for first Team All NBA because
Speaker 2: they didn't have the ballots in yet all the way, Yeah,
Speaker 2: that's a good call. Four is just I'm sorry, it's
Speaker 2: too low. You can make the argument he's not All
Speaker 2: NBA first Team. That's fine with me. Yeah, I get
Speaker 2: or when everybody was saying not just us, everybody was
Speaker 2: saying for about two and a half months, Uh, this
Speaker 2: is the best Kawhai's ever looked. Uh? Is he the
Speaker 2: best player in the game.
Speaker 1: It's his best offensive season possibly ever, if you can
Speaker 1: factor in the ramping up of the outside shooting.
Speaker 2: Well you want to talk about on off splits, they
Speaker 2: were all of the teen points better with him out there.
Speaker 1: Like it was insane, that's unreal, and all of the
Speaker 1: ideas just like are bad, Like I don't want Duncan Robinson,
Speaker 1: Isaiah Stewart on this team, Like.
Speaker 2: Yeah, what was you said? Twenty twenty eight first round
Speaker 2: pick that was the only draft capital.
Speaker 1: Let me check. I've posted one on Twitter that made
Speaker 1: people really mad.
Speaker 2: Was there one for Miami to resigning?
Speaker 1: Dude, Look, people who create mock drafts for the Miami
Speaker 1: Heat are like the most I don't know what it is,
Speaker 1: but it's just like, what if you gave me Kawhi
Speaker 1: Leonard and I gave you a a big bag of
Speaker 1: shit and it's like, well, I don't want to do that,
Speaker 1: Like we get like Tyler Hero.
Speaker 2: And yeah, the Tyler Hero.
Speaker 1: That's who they would trade for part of it, and
Speaker 1: I don't want him on the team. He's got one
Speaker 1: of the worst tattoos in the league.
Speaker 2: I don't have an issue with that, but the contract.
Speaker 1: I take issue with that. That's bad decision making. If
Speaker 1: you have bad tattoos to a certain extent, that's bad
Speaker 1: decision making. And I'm a fan of Mike Scott.
Speaker 2: H Tyler Hero is a He's in a contract year
Speaker 2: actually thirty three million this year unrestricted after that.
Speaker 1: Thirty three is a lot for Tyler Hero.
Speaker 2: But I mean it's expiring though I don't.
Speaker 1: Yeah, that's true, and they do. They just also it's
Speaker 1: like the Clippers have they don't have to trade Kawhi.
Speaker 1: We have movable assets, we have what thirty five million
Speaker 1: and expirings.
Speaker 2: Well, did we come to the conclusion about forty two million?
Speaker 2: They could have up to forty two million depending on
Speaker 2: who comes back with John Collins, with Mathurine, Right.
Speaker 1: Yeah, for sure, because we got Lopez bogged in.
Speaker 2: Lopez and Nico are on team options.
Speaker 1: I believe he look man, the Clipper's posting some Nico
Speaker 1: highlights the other day and I was like, hell, yeah,
Speaker 1: club option five point eight million, not nothing.
Speaker 2: Like you do have to consider with Kawhi And this
Speaker 2: is this is not an original thought, but it seems
Speaker 2: that people have very quickly forgotten because he played sixty
Speaker 2: five games this year that if you wait, he say, oh,
Speaker 2: we can wait for a better offer. What if he
Speaker 2: gets reinjured? What if this is selling at the peak
Speaker 2: right now? Because also he's extension eligible, so he wants
Speaker 2: to go. Like, if they're not working out a contract
Speaker 2: for him to extend as a Clipper this summer, I'm
Speaker 2: guessing he's gonna want to go somewhere else. Sometimes I
Speaker 2: think he's going to play on an expiring with his
Speaker 2: his how injury prone he is.
Speaker 1: Sometimes I think about the Mike Trout thing where I'm like,
Speaker 1: does he just like living where he lives.
Speaker 2: Oh yeah, oh no, I think he will just stay
Speaker 2: with the Flippers. All things are equal Clippers for sure.
Speaker 1: Yeah Ayfish is saying, I think Kawhi to Miami for where.
Speaker 1: I don't know. If the Heat want to move where.
Speaker 2: That'd be great. That's what everybody wants from them.
Speaker 1: But yeah, yeah, this feels like our version of the
Speaker 1: bag of ship trade that I just talked about, not
Speaker 1: the Kauhi as a bag of shit, but like where
Speaker 1: is very clarifying, I have to but it's it would
Speaker 1: be selling high if the Clippers did it before the
Speaker 1: next season started. It's selling high because if he comes
Speaker 1: out and they start six and or some boot, not
Speaker 1: that they will.
Speaker 2: I think people also can be frustrated with the return though,
Speaker 2: because they're not looking at the fact he's thirty five
Speaker 2: and looking at the long injury history, and they're probably
Speaker 2: just going recency bias of the past year and the
Speaker 2: fact that he's on and expiring. All those things are
Speaker 2: working against the Clippers, and negotiations if those are being
Speaker 2: had or if they are going to be at some point.
Speaker 1: The Golden State thing. None of those trades look like
Speaker 1: something that I think Lawrence Frank would execute.
Speaker 2: There was one that I was interested in.
Speaker 1: What is it that?
Speaker 2: There was definitely one where they were giving up two picks,
Speaker 2: and I think Moody.
Speaker 1: I don't want, Yeah, I don't want any part of Butler,
Speaker 1: Draymond or Porzingis.
Speaker 2: Draymond might have been included to make the money work,
Speaker 2: but he's in expiring after this year. Yeah, Butler.
Speaker 1: I was like, I still have to do with Draymond
Speaker 1: on my team, which seems like a fucking nightmare at
Speaker 1: this stage in his career.
Speaker 2: The Butler expiring is likely the one that's going out
Speaker 2: in any big Golden State move they make to make
Speaker 2: the money match. But it would be hard to see
Speaker 2: him within the PACTV playing for a different team four
Speaker 2: times a year, and a team that you would expect
Speaker 2: to be better if they have Kawhi and Steph Curry.
Speaker 2: That would be hard. Typically, you want to send these
Speaker 2: guys to the Eastern Conference.
Speaker 1: Yeah, not six hours north.
Speaker 2: Best case scenario you send them to another country like
Speaker 2: San Antonio.
Speaker 1: Yeah, let's do Kawhi to Brooklyn for MPJ in the
Speaker 1: sixth Yeah, let's call that in. I'm in for that.
Speaker 1: That would be awesome.
Speaker 2: I'm good with it.
Speaker 1: I like, yeah, we do have to talk about this
Speaker 1: real quick. Adam, did you bring a dip today?
Speaker 2: I did.
Speaker 1: For those of you who are new to the show,
Speaker 1: in the off season, we are called clips and Dip.
Speaker 1: We do a dip segment. We either make a dip
Speaker 1: a viewer suggestion, we go buy one. I have finished
Speaker 1: all of what I was eating with my dip. We
Speaker 1: had a good, good setup last week. Adam, what did
Speaker 1: you bring for your dip?
Speaker 2: Alfonso comment, I can't tell if this guy's a troller?
Speaker 2: What okay? So I went back to my tried and true,
Speaker 2: old faithful Tostitos eightium nacho cheese dip and I was using.
Speaker 2: I had a steak burrito bowl and I was just
Speaker 2: like taking the steak. But it was steak and cheese,
Speaker 2: cheese and steak. It it was good. It was really good.
Speaker 2: And you would questionable dip says of late, But this, this,
Speaker 2: this is a Bob approach.
Speaker 1: Now the honey. The honey started conversation that was that
Speaker 1: was experimental, Jack, you would bring that, you would bring
Speaker 1: that to the barbecue.
Speaker 2: I would assume it would already be there. But yeah, I.
Speaker 1: Went with spicy to Zeke, which also on the late
Speaker 1: is dip and spread. It's throwing everything into some kind
Speaker 1: of chaos. It was pretty good. It wasn't as spicy
Speaker 1: as I wanted it to be. It says it's two
Speaker 1: out of three pepper spicy. It's nowhere near that. It
Speaker 1: is maybe half a pepper spicy. I enjoyed it with
Speaker 1: some peda, with some olive oil and salt on it, toasted.
Speaker 1: I would bring it to a barbecue of someone who
Speaker 1: I knew doesn't really like exotic, you know, like doesn't
Speaker 1: really have an adventurous palette. I guess. Yeah, but it
Speaker 1: was pretty solid. Yeah, what do we think will it's
Speaker 1: a people pleaser? It's not. Yeah, it's fading into the background.
Speaker 2: It's mainstream dip.
Speaker 1: Yeah made, oh, absolutely mainstream dip. Okay, thank you for
Speaker 1: adhering to the dip took everybody. We are contractually obligated
Speaker 1: to do that. Someone's asking, why would we trade Kawhi?
Speaker 1: Really makes no sense. He's a top ten player new arena.
Speaker 1: Who's gonna pay money to see a bunch of role players?
Speaker 1: I guess from the from the business sense, I can
Speaker 1: see this argument.
Speaker 2: That's definitely something we have to considers on the outside
Speaker 2: and you're crossing the bridge and into a dome. That's
Speaker 2: where you put your stars that you're branding in your marketing.
Speaker 2: But I think we're missing the part where Kawhi may
Speaker 2: want to leave if he doesn't feel like the Clippers
Speaker 2: are going to be a contender in the near future,
Speaker 2: he may want to go somewhere else, and so it
Speaker 2: may not be about what the Clippers want.
Speaker 1: Yeah, it's And I wonder because he's already taken less
Speaker 1: technically than the max for his last contract, So you
Speaker 1: wonder what that next deal looks like, what a team
Speaker 1: goes over the second or third apron to sign it.
Speaker 2: Like my guess would be somewhere that's like a two
Speaker 2: plus one or a three year deal that's around a
Speaker 2: hundred million, Like he's getting around thirty million per year,
Speaker 2: a little bit over.
Speaker 1: Yeah, I would be perfectly fine with that for the Clips,
Speaker 1: because we still don't know what we're signing Jonathan Collins
Speaker 1: or what the Mathine deal looks like. There's been no
Speaker 1: chatter about that.
Speaker 2: It's just a lot of these comments are swinging the
Speaker 2: other way. The first time Kawhi gets injured as a
Speaker 2: little ankle. He's out for a couple a couple of games,
Speaker 2: and everybody starts freaking out, saying, why didn't we trade them?
Speaker 2: Why didn't we trade them while he's healthy? I know
Speaker 2: how this goes.
Speaker 1: Oh yeah, I like this question from Blackout. Would you
Speaker 1: rather get more picks or players?
Speaker 2: Back?
Speaker 1: Keeping in mind the new lot of rules. The new
Speaker 1: lot of rules do make it interesting kind of what
Speaker 1: you were talking about, Like, if we get the Pistons
Speaker 1: pick in the next two years or whatever, four through
Speaker 1: ten doesn't seem crazy for them, you know.
Speaker 2: Like, yeah, it's the problem here is it completely depends
Speaker 2: on the player.
Speaker 1: Right.
Speaker 2: There are players I'd want more than picks. There are
Speaker 2: picks I'd rather have them players.
Speaker 1: I like this, what if we got Wemby. Oh no,
Speaker 1: they're saying we need a Wemby Stopper brother brother, Sure, yeah,
Speaker 1: let's do it. I think the only Wemby Stopper is
Speaker 1: someone you hire to injure Wemby on the way to
Speaker 1: the arena.
Speaker 2: I help my artery Stopper kicks in right now because
Speaker 2: that wild comment.
Speaker 1: I don't know. I yeah, we do need honestly, they're
Speaker 1: not wrong, though, we do need a web Stopper counterpoint, No,
Speaker 1: we don't, right, like get healthy, yeah please, And we
Speaker 1: don't really have a timeline for that or anything. November
Speaker 1: is kind of what Justin Russo mentioned, like timeline wise.
Speaker 2: I said, I wouldn't be shocked to not see him
Speaker 2: till December.
Speaker 1: They're gonna take the guys and they're gonna take their time.
Speaker 2: He's a young player. You have to Yeah, you've invested
Speaker 2: too much. You're not going to rush him back.
Speaker 1: Andy Marrow possible Wemby Stopper, All right, we gotta get
Speaker 1: out of here. People are getting crazy. Do you have
Speaker 1: any thoughts on uh, the Shay Underdog AI lawsuit.
Speaker 2: The only thing so at first, because what are you
Speaker 2: suing exactly? What are you using? Yeah, name and likeness
Speaker 2: with it. They're not using a generic player that just
Speaker 2: looks like him. It literally has his jersey and everything. Yeah,
Speaker 2: so they're not disguising it. This isn't like number twenty
Speaker 2: three on an old school NBA game that plays for
Speaker 2: the Bulls because Michael Jordan owned his name and likeness.
Speaker 1: Or the guy who would play for Barry Bonds in
Speaker 1: the MLB games, like Chris Stevens or whatever the name
Speaker 1: was like I.
Speaker 2: Think it was whatever Wesley Snipe's name was in the
Speaker 2: fan he man.
Speaker 1: What's a crazy movie? I just think, like, I mean,
Speaker 1: anyone any other celebrities have done this. You can't use
Speaker 1: my likeness to make my a like to disparage me,
Speaker 1: especially from I think people are maybe forgetting that Underdog
Speaker 1: is a billion dollar gambling company.
Speaker 2: Like I don't care about that, but they're obviously like
Speaker 2: they're using this for their own marketing. They're getting something
Speaker 2: out of it. This is not some rando on Twitter
Speaker 2: that just made this right, Like, they are a huge company.
Speaker 1: And again, you can't use the likeness like that, like.
Speaker 2: You, I think it's I think most celebrities would get
Speaker 2: behind Shay as they I.
Speaker 1: Mean other celebrities like Wemby suits someone for an AI thing.
Speaker 1: I think Lebron suits someone because they kept making AI
Speaker 1: photos of him as pregnant. Like you can't let people
Speaker 1: who use AI to create anything. You can't give him
Speaker 1: a fucking inch because they're idiots inherently in terms of
Speaker 1: generative image stuff, like you can't be doing that, Like.
Speaker 2: There was one person that was cool with this, and
Speaker 2: it was the late great Val Kilmer, who is going
Speaker 2: to have a movie.
Speaker 1: Was it or did his family decide he's cool with it?
Speaker 2: Well, who knows? Would I would hope they'd look out
Speaker 2: for his best interests and maybe when he was alive
Speaker 2: he had to sign something. Well, if he was, I
Speaker 2: don't know.
Speaker 1: I don't know. Well because stan Lee, it's happened with
Speaker 1: stan Lee too, Like I don't know. I'm on Obviously,
Speaker 1: no one is like pro flopping or anything like that,
Speaker 1: but I am pro and athlete suing a billion dollar
Speaker 1: company for using their likeness in such a coordinated, gross
Speaker 1: way like this is kind of an unprecedented thing. Like
Speaker 1: even the band the Boss shirts, at least Bo's made
Speaker 1: those themselves.
Speaker 2: Yeah, they're pushing the envelope. They're seeing what they can
Speaker 2: get away with. And because it's still the wild wild
Speaker 2: West with these things, we'll learn as we go along.
Speaker 2: But I think as much as people get on the
Speaker 2: OKC Thunder and Shay and I get it, and I
Speaker 2: understand it to a degree. Sure, they're so damn elite
Speaker 2: at basketball that I can overlook a lot of that.
Speaker 2: That's just me though.
Speaker 1: Did you see the clip where Nick Wright was talking
Speaker 1: about the flopping and everything, and the other host is like, well,
Speaker 1: if they're so good this, why didn't they lead the
Speaker 1: league in free throws? And Nick, well, I don't know,
Speaker 1: and you're like, okay, all right, we're gonna get out
Speaker 1: of here. Adam. Oh wait, we do one more shout
Speaker 1: out for the hoops for Hunter syndrome. It's pinned at
Speaker 1: the top of the chat. Check it out if you
Speaker 1: want to donate. You can donate if you want to go,
Speaker 1: show up and hoop at the RANT Sports Facility in
Speaker 1: Chino on July nineteenth. That's nine to twelve pm. I
Speaker 1: know we could. You can hoop, so careful about that.
Speaker 1: We'll be back probably next week, might take another week off,
Speaker 1: who knows, Adam. We need one positive thing. The vibes
Speaker 1: are good in Clipper Nation. We're all just excited about
Speaker 1: who's gonna be taking it Fifth. Doesn't seem like people
Speaker 1: are getting too insane yet about who they want to take.
Speaker 1: It's me and three other people on Berry's Island. We're
Speaker 1: running out of supplies. The boat is crashed, we have
Speaker 1: no we can't make any fire.
Speaker 2: I'm in, but I don't know about Fifth. I'm in
Speaker 2: for a trade back scenario where you end up with Berry's.
Speaker 1: All right, So your invitations you hit that you checked
Speaker 1: maybe on the yes no maybe note you clicked maybe
Speaker 1: give us one positive thing heading into this weekend.
Speaker 2: I feel like I need to circle back to the
Speaker 2: start of this show, which is for everyone that doesn't
Speaker 2: want to deal with hearing the Clippers trade this guy
Speaker 2: and the picks again. Oh those are Game seven tomorrow
Speaker 2: and I think it's a coin flip. I think said
Speaker 2: that Zodio could definitely win, especially without aj Mitchell playing
Speaker 2: and Jay Dubb is out now. Uh so yeah, oh
Speaker 2: thanks sal if you are okay, see thunder hater or
Speaker 2: you just are annoyed. And this is very understandable with
Speaker 2: the uh revisionist history by many media members with that
Speaker 2: trade from twenty nineteen, and you don't want to hear
Speaker 2: any more of it, which you will incessantly if they
Speaker 2: make it to the finals and winning again. Therese are
Speaker 2: Game seven tomorrow. We shall see.
Speaker 1: And we didn't even give them that good of a
Speaker 1: pick this year.
Speaker 2: We'll see, I mean, Sam Pressy, Devil Magic, it'll come
Speaker 2: over with something.
Speaker 1: Yeah, no devil Magic talk. That's for the Patreon all right,
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