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<v Speaker 1>Again. So what's going on? Clippers fans? Welcome to a

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<v Speaker 1>happy hour hang at Clips and Dip. It is the

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<v Speaker 1>off season. No idea what episode this is. I do

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<v Speaker 1>know that season five starts after the draft, so we

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<v Speaker 1>are rapidly approaching the end of season four. Here at

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<v Speaker 1>Clips and Dip, I am Chuck Mockler joined by Adam Oslin.

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<v Speaker 1>We are live on YouTube right now. If you're listening

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<v Speaker 1>find us at YouTube dot com Slash at Clippers podcast. Adam,

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<v Speaker 1>it's been two weeks since we have talked the draft

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<v Speaker 1>and some other things. How are you doing? How's are

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<v Speaker 1>we basking in this gauntlet that the Thunder having to

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<v Speaker 1>go through?

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<v Speaker 2>You know?

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<v Speaker 1>How?

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<v Speaker 2>How are you feeling schaden freuder with the Thunder hoping

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<v Speaker 2>they'll lose? Yeah? Is that where people are at here? Yeah?

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<v Speaker 2>Seems actually like most people are not just Clippers fans

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<v Speaker 2>that don't want to hear everyone say you gave away

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<v Speaker 2>two championships. Yeah, I'm I'm watching ball, you know, keep

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<v Speaker 2>it up with whatever. The latest prognostication is on the

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<v Speaker 2>fifth pick in the draft. And different mock drafts that

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<v Speaker 2>are coming out, and I'm trying to stay in tune

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<v Speaker 2>with everything Clippers here, but it's good to be back.

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<v Speaker 1>Check it is good to be back. Before we get

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<v Speaker 1>into it, we do want to give a shout out.

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<v Speaker 1>This was from I believe this was from Ricky Chew

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<v Speaker 1>who hit us up about this. Wanted to give a

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<v Speaker 1>shout out about the Hoops for Hunter Syndrome fundraiser going

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<v Speaker 1>down July nineteenth at the Ranch Sports Facility. It's a

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<v Speaker 1>basketball mini tournament brought to you by the bou Yah

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<v Speaker 1>Boys and Project Alive. Go check it out July nineteenth,

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<v Speaker 1>nine to twelve pm in Chino City at the Ranch

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<v Speaker 1>Sports Facility. We're gonna put the Lincoln here if you

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<v Speaker 1>want to donate, but it's a Clippers fans are putting

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<v Speaker 1>it on. It's a good cause. We're gonna go ahead

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<v Speaker 1>and pin it. Check it out if you want to

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<v Speaker 1>Google it. You can check out the Hoops for Hunter

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<v Speaker 1>Syndrome again. July nineteenth, nine am to twelve pm. Adam,

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<v Speaker 1>I'm excited to talk about the draft, but we do

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<v Speaker 1>have to talk about one of the most frustrating things

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<v Speaker 1>of the season that happened since the last time we spoke.

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<v Speaker 1>Can you guess what I'm gonna talk about?

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<v Speaker 2>Uh? Okay, not Kawhi getting second team? Chris Dunn, Yes,

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<v Speaker 2>not making an All defensive team.

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<v Speaker 1>What the hell? Whose fault is this?

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<v Speaker 2>The Clippers being eighteenth defensively?

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<v Speaker 1>Yeah, that's probably true.

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<v Speaker 2>I gotta be honest. I used the same logic last

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<v Speaker 2>year against Dyson Daniels, who did make first team and

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<v Speaker 2>was second in DPOY, and I said, wait a second,

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<v Speaker 2>Atlanta was literally last season in eighteenth defensively and he

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<v Speaker 2>still did up All First Team, and I thought Chris

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<v Speaker 2>Dun should have made it in over him. Last year. Well,

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<v Speaker 2>I could use last year's argument against myself now because

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<v Speaker 2>Chris does team was eighteenth defensively, and I think that's

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<v Speaker 2>just what a lot of the voters look at. And

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<v Speaker 2>you could also look on off splits with him, and

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<v Speaker 2>according to that, they weren't any better with him on

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<v Speaker 2>or off. Obviously, defensive tracking stuff is difficult, but I

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<v Speaker 2>don't think it's as bad of a snub when you

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<v Speaker 2>look at the consistency of how these things typically go.

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<v Speaker 2>I think last year was the real issue to me,

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<v Speaker 2>because he got on the radar coming into this year

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<v Speaker 2>because last year people thought he was snubbed because the

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<v Speaker 2>Clippers were third defensively and that was his first year

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<v Speaker 2>with the team, and so unfortunately the team wasn't good

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<v Speaker 2>enough to at least put the Clippers on notice for

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<v Speaker 2>being one of the better defensive teams overall, so Chris

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<v Speaker 2>Dunn can get a little bit more shine. It's unfortunate.

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<v Speaker 2>I feel bad for him because it's not like he's

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<v Speaker 2>not playing great defense out there, but individually, you can

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<v Speaker 2>do all you want, just like Dyson Daniels the year before.

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<v Speaker 2>We're getting all those steals and they were still eighteenth

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<v Speaker 2>Atlanta this year, Chris Dunn doing great things defensively and

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<v Speaker 2>they're still eighteenth overall.

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<v Speaker 1>I feel bad because they did do so much promo

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<v Speaker 1>for him over the year. He had like that golf outing,

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<v Speaker 1>they had one of the better bobbleheads to ever be

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<v Speaker 1>given away. Don't look up his stats the night of

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<v Speaker 1>his bubblehead night. You don't. No one has to do

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<v Speaker 1>that if they don't want to.

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<v Speaker 2>Uh, what night should we look up Chris Dunn's.

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<v Speaker 1>Stat That's very true.

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<v Speaker 2>It's in tangibles and tangibles.

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<v Speaker 1>So now his salary is not guaranteed next season, but

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<v Speaker 1>Tylou has made it pretty clear that he wants Chris

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<v Speaker 1>to josephry awards chagrin. I don't think right now he's

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<v Speaker 2>Joseph was all one hundred voters just into that one man, unfortunately,

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<v Speaker 2>voting for all defensive teams. Maybe that's what sunk his chances.

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<v Speaker 2>I don't know. I do blame Joseph for a lot,

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<v Speaker 2>so we can pick that to him as well.

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<v Speaker 1>Hi, Joseph, we did send the link so we might

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<v Speaker 1>pop in.

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<v Speaker 2>Oh no, yeah, Like I love Chris Dunn. It's unfortunate.

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<v Speaker 2>It is somewhat consistent though, with how these things typically go,

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<v Speaker 2>unless you look at how they voted for Dyson Daniels

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<v Speaker 2>last year. But that was an outlier thing with the

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<v Speaker 2>amount of steals he was getting, so he was able

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<v Speaker 2>to overcome the poor defensive rating by his team.

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<v Speaker 1>Yeah, how many guards were even on it this year?

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<v Speaker 1>Because that was my argument. I wanted Chris Done to

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<v Speaker 1>get it, But when we talked about it earlier in

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<v Speaker 1>the season, I was like, they don't have a lot

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<v Speaker 1>of guards like you like dort is obviously kind of

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<v Speaker 1>penciled into that, you know what I mean.

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<v Speaker 2>Like because it's positionless.

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<v Speaker 1>Yeah, it's just frustrating because it's just not build for guards.

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<v Speaker 2>I think Dyson Daniels made first team again, must be nice,

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<v Speaker 2>which is you know they were better this year defensively. Ye,

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<v Speaker 2>it makes sense if you don't aren't making the typical

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<v Speaker 2>highlight plays all the time. And it's not like Chris

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<v Speaker 2>Dunn doesn't. I mean the rip away steals, he has

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<v Speaker 2>the free safety type play he has out there, but

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<v Speaker 2>eighteen defensively, Yeah, that's good. That's going to hold back

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<v Speaker 2>the individual awards.

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<v Speaker 1>It's a damn shame. What's up? Punk's gone wrong? Yeah,

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<v Speaker 1>we're back. Happy to be back. Let's get into this

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<v Speaker 1>draft stuff. A name right now that is shooting up

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<v Speaker 1>people's idea boards, including the Ringer who updated their draft

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<v Speaker 1>board and a bunch of other mock drafts. Mickel Brown Junior.

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<v Speaker 1>He's also officially the Clips hosted him for a pre

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<v Speaker 1>draft visit. He was their first top ten prospect visit

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<v Speaker 1>that the Clippers have initiated so far.

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<v Speaker 2>Does that confirm? Do we double source it? I've seen

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<v Speaker 2>multiple people saying he was there, he wasn't. I don't know.

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<v Speaker 2>At some point they will reach him out. Whether it

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<v Speaker 2>happened or not is kind of irrelevant. It's going to happen.

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<v Speaker 1>I guess it's from hoops hype, so I don't that's fair.

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<v Speaker 1>I'm not gonna people are saying that he was hosted

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<v Speaker 1>for a workout. I think someone in the chat just

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<v Speaker 1>put someone who also the Clippers put in. But what

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<v Speaker 1>are your thoughts on Mikel Brown? He's got the back injuries.

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<v Speaker 1>People are kind of comparing this to when the Clippers

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<v Speaker 1>passed on mp If the Clippers were to pass on

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<v Speaker 1>him to maybe to the MPG situation. A back injury

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<v Speaker 1>forced him to miss ten regular season games and kept

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<v Speaker 1>him signline for the entire ACC tournament. Have you done

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<v Speaker 1>much looking into Mikail Brown?

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<v Speaker 2>Get enough to get myself in trouble just to respond

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<v Speaker 2>to Batinski there, I wasn't advocating for them to trade

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<v Speaker 2>the pick for you, honest, I'm saying that's a possibility. Still.

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<v Speaker 2>Mckail Brown's junior. You know, he had this lower back

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<v Speaker 2>issue that apparently he's fully recovered from, and he had

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<v Speaker 2>a forty inch max vertical. I think it was just

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<v Speaker 2>under that. So athleticism wise, there's this dunking drill where

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<v Speaker 2>he's just going back and forth and throwing down huge

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<v Speaker 2>junks one after another while working up a sweat. So

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<v Speaker 2>when you're talking about the guards and who's the best

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<v Speaker 2>athlete or the biggest high flyer between him, flemings Bury's

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<v Speaker 2>a cuff. Am I missing anybody. Mchil Brown Junior would

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<v Speaker 2>be the guy that pops athletically in that range of

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<v Speaker 2>the A.

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<v Speaker 1>I say, sorry, yeah, it's interesting. I was like, his

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<v Speaker 1>stats aren't necessarily like the ability is there, but if

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<v Speaker 1>you're a stat guy, you know what I mean. Like

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<v Speaker 1>he shot one mid thirties for thirty four percent from three.

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<v Speaker 1>He loves a pull up three, just based on again

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<v Speaker 1>limited research for me, loves a pull up three. He's

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<v Speaker 1>a good pick and roll guy, which I think is nice.

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<v Speaker 2>The pull up three is why the percentage is down.

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<v Speaker 2>He's taking harder, you know, difficult, high degree of difficulty

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<v Speaker 2>three pointers a lot. But that does say something about

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<v Speaker 2>his offensive skill set too, because you know, James Harden

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<v Speaker 2>for his career I think shoots around thirty five percent

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<v Speaker 2>from three. But when you're doing it on volume and

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<v Speaker 2>they're the toughest shots to defend that variety of three pointer.

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<v Speaker 2>Then you get a little bit of bonus points than

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<v Speaker 2>just a guy who shoots thirty nine percent. But it's

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<v Speaker 2>only on catch and shoots when he's wide open, so

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<v Speaker 2>it's hard to identify exactly what type of three pointer

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<v Speaker 2>he shoots or how SKILLEDY is really just going off

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<v Speaker 2>the percentage.

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<v Speaker 1>Of course, yes, the defense I've been I don't know

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<v Speaker 1>if I've been too focused on the defense side of

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<v Speaker 1>the ball first looking at some of these prospects, I

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<v Speaker 1>just want someone who's not gonna be bad, and I'm not.

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<v Speaker 1>That's not a knock on anyone else on the team,

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<v Speaker 1>but I'm like, I don't want like, obviously every rookie

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<v Speaker 1>is a project to some extent, but I don't want

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<v Speaker 1>someone who's like kind of learning how to not play defense.

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<v Speaker 1>But you know what I'm saying, I think, right like

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<v Speaker 1>someone who's not babied along right now in terms of

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<v Speaker 1>how they play defense. He's engaged when he plays one

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<v Speaker 1>on one, he's got the small frame. But I think

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<v Speaker 1>every rookie has that issue, you know what I mean.

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<v Speaker 1>Like it's it's interesting, like I wouldn't be too upset.

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<v Speaker 1>I don't think.

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<v Speaker 2>He's also on the taller side, not quite as tall

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<v Speaker 2>as Woggler, but taller than a Cuff and Flemings and Burry's.

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<v Speaker 1>Six three and a half.

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<v Speaker 2>That was the no shoes official NBA combine one.

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<v Speaker 1>I believe, so, yes, yeah, six.

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<v Speaker 2>And y. It's I think it's interesting how much he

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<v Speaker 2>has shot off draft boards recently. And I think it's

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<v Speaker 2>one of the biggest questions was just the injury. How

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<v Speaker 2>serious was it? And then you see him with these

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<v Speaker 2>throwdowns at a workout and that kind of alleviates that

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<v Speaker 2>concern right there.

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<v Speaker 1>Right.

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<v Speaker 2>So if his athleticism gets him to a higher ceiling

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<v Speaker 2>of a player, while he may be more of a

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<v Speaker 2>project early on or a little bit more raw, but

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<v Speaker 2>he can develop into somebody that maybe has superstar potential

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<v Speaker 2>versus some of these other guys. That's probably the allure

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<v Speaker 2>of Michale Brown Jr.

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<v Speaker 1>I like this comment from Garrett Griffin fifteen sixty nine.

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<v Speaker 1>So that he can lock in, we're talking on defense,

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<v Speaker 1>he can lock in, but watching full game film, not

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<v Speaker 1>just highlights, he's pretty inattentive off ball in poor screen

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<v Speaker 1>navigation to be expected with a twenty year old like

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<v Speaker 1>it's it's not to the extent that a cuff, But

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<v Speaker 1>when you're doing that much for the offense in college basketball,

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<v Speaker 1>it seems like they're not. The coaches aren't depressed about

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<v Speaker 1>the defensive side of the ball.

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah, and they played too. They can play two three

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<v Speaker 2>zone and just stick a big man in the middle

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<v Speaker 2>guarding the basket in college, so that kind of makes

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<v Speaker 2>up for a lot. It's a different game in many ways.

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<v Speaker 2>I see Quin Cornett in here. Hey, I'm glad you

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<v Speaker 2>said Chris done this elite defender he is. It turns out,

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<v Speaker 2>it turns out in the NBA that you can have

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<v Speaker 2>an elite defender and still not be a good team defense.

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<v Speaker 1>Put in time out today, if you're bringing if you're bringing.

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<v Speaker 2>Bullshit, guy's got to be connected out there. Team game

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<v Speaker 2>gotta be connected.

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<v Speaker 1>I do like a lot of the scouting reports on

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<v Speaker 1>Brown said he has quick hands in the passing lanes,

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<v Speaker 1>which like, yeah, like we're watching a team right now.

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<v Speaker 1>The Spurs, who clearly have drilled into their guys be

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<v Speaker 1>in the passing lanes. However, you can be and it's

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<v Speaker 1>something that we see from Chris Dunn and things like that.

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<v Speaker 1>So I like that aspect. I like, that's one of

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<v Speaker 1>my favorite traits to see in a rookie at this stage,

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<v Speaker 1>where it's like, oh, he's active in the passing lanes,

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<v Speaker 1>passes and stuff like that. Like that is something that

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<v Speaker 1>I did like on his scouting reports.

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah, it feels like when it comes to defend defensive

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<v Speaker 2>acumen and guys coming out of college that's more of

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<v Speaker 2>a wild card of how they're going to shake out

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<v Speaker 2>at the next level defensively, So maybe we don't put

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<v Speaker 2>as much into grinding and trying to see how good

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<v Speaker 2>he's going to be on that end. You know, I

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<v Speaker 2>don't know if everybody thought Chris Dunn was going to

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<v Speaker 2>be this good of a defender coming out because he

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<v Speaker 2>was scoring more thanah.

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<v Speaker 1>I don't think he was drafted for his defense.

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<v Speaker 2>Would be my gues He realized, I think he was solid,

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<v Speaker 2>but he realized he had to change who he was

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<v Speaker 2>as a player in order to make it in this league.

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<v Speaker 1>Yeah, I'm very smart.

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah, and he was was he fifth or sixth.

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<v Speaker 1>Check?

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<v Speaker 2>It was? He was definitely top ten. I mean he

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<v Speaker 2>was a baller, and I think they made this week's

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<v Speaker 2>Sweet sixteen.

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<v Speaker 1>Yeah, Garrett Griffin, thank you for the great comments. Garrett Griffin.

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<v Speaker 1>If he says, if you trust the Clips coaching development

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<v Speaker 1>they're in, I'll tell you what I like Van Gundy

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<v Speaker 1>being part of that development. That's something that I do

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<v Speaker 1>have to remind myself with looking at a lot of

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<v Speaker 1>these guards, is that we do have Van Gundy. Who's

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<v Speaker 1>getting a guy right. You know, he's not getting somebod

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<v Speaker 1>who's been in the league a couple of years who

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<v Speaker 1>might have league bad habits. He's getting a multiple piece

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<v Speaker 1>of clay or cookie dough if you're a Zulander fan,

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<v Speaker 1>to try and get this defensive acumen heightened. Obviously not

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<v Speaker 1>elite or something like that, but good.

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<v Speaker 2>Of course, teams are circling around Van Gundy. He's trying

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<v Speaker 2>to see if he wants to be a head coach. Again.

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<v Speaker 1>Yeah, I don't believe that Blazer's report. I was like,

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<v Speaker 1>this feels like bull Like, why would Van Gundy go

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<v Speaker 1>to this owner's team, Like from what he said about

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<v Speaker 1>owners disrespecting coaches and stuff like that, I couldn't see

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<v Speaker 1>Van Gundy coaching for that owner.

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<v Speaker 2>I do think development the last couple of years has

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<v Speaker 2>been encouraging with the young guys. That's something to look

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<v Speaker 2>at when you're talking about drafting somebody who may be

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<v Speaker 2>on the a little bit of the underdeveloped, more raw side,

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<v Speaker 2>mckil brown. So the Clippers seem to have some positivity

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<v Speaker 2>in that direction.

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<v Speaker 1>As of late, Brad Semmler bringing up a point that

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<v Speaker 1>I literally just added to the breakdown like a second

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<v Speaker 1>before we started this. There's been some chatter uh. ESPN's

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<v Speaker 1>Jeremy Wu wrote that rival teams are viewing Karim Lopez

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<v Speaker 1>as a trade back candidate in the case of the

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<v Speaker 1>Clippers and the Nats. So this would be a trade

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<v Speaker 1>back scenario. But I I don't know, I'm not as

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<v Speaker 1>in love with this idea. I don't like I would

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<v Speaker 1>be kind of upset if they traded back to get

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<v Speaker 1>from the top five for a guy who's I don't know,

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<v Speaker 1>you know what, Like he's nineteen, he's just turned nineteen.

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<v Speaker 1>He played in New Zealand, which that it's a very

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<v Speaker 1>physical league and stuff like that. But I don't know, man,

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<v Speaker 1>I know he's a big, but he's not like a

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<v Speaker 1>defensive stalwart big or something like that. The development seems

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<v Speaker 1>like it'd be really long for someone. For Karam Lopez,

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<v Speaker 1>the mold is there. He's gigantic, you know what I mean,

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<v Speaker 1>Like he has the frame, but I don't know about

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<v Speaker 1>that one.

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<v Speaker 2>Well, we've already had, you know, a son play with

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<v Speaker 2>his father in LA and now you've got Karim Lopez

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<v Speaker 2>and Brook Lopez to get like this is okay, I'll

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<v Speaker 2>take it the one guy that okay. First of all,

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<v Speaker 2>if you're going to trade back, the only way I

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<v Speaker 2>would do that, well, it means there's too many unknowns

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<v Speaker 2>and you don't believe anybody is an obvious star. Where

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<v Speaker 2>you're drafting at five and the obvious stars already went

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<v Speaker 2>in the top four. So if we're taking a risk

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<v Speaker 2>anyways and it turns into a craft shooting, and that

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<v Speaker 2>does seem to be more of the hinge swing point

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<v Speaker 2>of the draft a little bit, where the first four

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<v Speaker 2>seem obvious. We'll see what happens on draft night, but

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<v Speaker 2>after that it gets a little bit more murky. If

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<v Speaker 2>you don't think one of those guys you know has

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<v Speaker 2>all star superstar potential and you're drafting that high, then

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<v Speaker 2>I would trade back because if you're drafting that high,

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<v Speaker 2>you better get somebody that has a high enough ceiling there,

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<v Speaker 2>because it's a guy who knows how many times you're

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<v Speaker 2>gonna have this good of a draft pick, especially with

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<v Speaker 2>the new rules being implemented out, so you have to

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<v Speaker 2>swing for the fences, even if you know you take

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<v Speaker 2>a risk on a guy who has more question marks,

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<v Speaker 2>but the athleticism is so off the charge or NBA

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<v Speaker 2>body is there. I think you have to do that

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<v Speaker 2>that position. But the Clippers could think differently the one

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<v Speaker 2>guy that.

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<v Speaker 1>Uh, because couldn't you also draft a guy at five

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<v Speaker 1>and then trade that guy? Like that's the other sure?

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<v Speaker 1>Like I mean I would I would rather that than

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<v Speaker 1>move back for some reason, I'm not interested in moving back, Like.

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<v Speaker 2>Well, they're not going to move back untill they're on

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<v Speaker 2>the clock. Yes, there's no way the guy could drop out.

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<v Speaker 2>Caleb Wilson doesn't get picked in the top four and

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<v Speaker 2>all of a sudden, what if somebody else, what if

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<v Speaker 2>Memphis or Chicago. I saw a report earlier the Bulls

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<v Speaker 2>talking about a coff like he used their new Derrick

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<v Speaker 2>Rose And what if one of those teams surprises you

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<v Speaker 2>and all of a sudden, Boozer or Caleb Wilson becomes available.

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<v Speaker 2>So you definitely can't do it before you're on the clock.

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<v Speaker 1>Right. We talked about like two weeks ago. We were like,

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<v Speaker 1>it kind of hinges on what the Bulls do because yeah,

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<v Speaker 1>and they could go in many directions, and you should

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<v Speaker 1>never try and predict what the Bulls are going to

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<v Speaker 1>do now that they have a new they have some

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<v Speaker 1>new front office people. It's gonna come down to the wire.

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<v Speaker 1>But yeah, I just will who will Updyke, you know,

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<v Speaker 1>obviously wants the Clips to move back to Yoxall Lindelboard.

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<v Speaker 1>I don't know about that. No one seems to be

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<v Speaker 1>on board with my idea of Braden Burry's at five,

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<v Speaker 1>not even like no nobody has supported that, so I

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<v Speaker 1>think I might be abandoning it.

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<v Speaker 2>I like Bury's, but do you need to take him

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<v Speaker 2>at five? That's you could also trade back for.

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<v Speaker 1>And I'm also like, how far could you even moved?

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<v Speaker 1>Like I guess, I just don't know, because the move

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<v Speaker 1>down scenario is that someone in this top four doesn't

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<v Speaker 1>get picked, and then another team like the Kings freaks out,

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<v Speaker 1>you know what I mean, and makes a move or

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<v Speaker 1>something like that.

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<v Speaker 2>But I think they're freaking out regardless. I think they

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<v Speaker 2>want a cup bad.

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<v Speaker 1>Yeah, I wonder what they'd give us a move up

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<v Speaker 1>to five, they'll probably wait, we're not gonna mad. This

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<v Speaker 1>is gonna be a tense fucking draft.

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<v Speaker 2>One guy that's caught my eye if you're moving back,

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<v Speaker 2>the kid out of Tennessee, Nate Ahman, who going into

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<v Speaker 2>this year they thought he could be a top five pick.

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<v Speaker 2>He has some Yiannis capabilities with his frame is ball handling,

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<v Speaker 2>but he's a much better shooter. He's wiry, he's long,

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<v Speaker 2>he's lanky, he's raw. He's really interesting as a big.

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<v Speaker 2>That's somebody that I've been watching some highlights with and making. Okay,

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<v Speaker 2>that's interesting to me. If you are going to move

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<v Speaker 2>back if he's still around, Yeah, I'm.

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<v Speaker 1>Not mad at that because I've said, like, it is

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<v Speaker 1>kind of not unfortunate for the Clippers, but it is

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<v Speaker 1>not necessarily the most advantageous draft in terms of the guys,

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<v Speaker 1>Like it's just a very guard heavy draft, and the

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<v Speaker 1>Clippers made the trade. Obviously Darius Garland's here, but like,

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<v Speaker 1>it's unfortunate that three of the top four guys are

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<v Speaker 1>forwards and then like six of the top ten are

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<v Speaker 1>our guards. So I wouldn't. Yeah, yeah, good.

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<v Speaker 2>I'm of the belief that having Darius Garland should not

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<v Speaker 2>weigh on anyone's mind of who they take in this draft.

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<v Speaker 1>It can't.

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah, you have to get best player available. Now. If

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<v Speaker 2>two guys are right there on your draft board, next

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<v Speaker 2>to each other, and one's at a position that is

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<v Speaker 2>more open to slide into now, then yeah, I go

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<v Speaker 2>with that guy. But if there's a difference, if there's

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<v Speaker 2>a differentiator that you really think, okay, this one, I'm

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<v Speaker 2>slotting him a little bit higher on the draft board.

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<v Speaker 2>I'm going with that guy regardless of position. Because the

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<v Speaker 2>Clippers are not, as LaRence Frank said in the season

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<v Speaker 2>ending exit interview, they are in the competitive here right

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<v Speaker 2>now in the NBA, they're not in the contender. And

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<v Speaker 2>to me, unless you're a contender that is looking for

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<v Speaker 2>something specific in the draft, a hole that you can fill,

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<v Speaker 2>then you better be drafting best player available.

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<v Speaker 1>You're James Wiseman's It's an example. I like what Garrett

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<v Speaker 1>Griffin said hear about a cuff and the hit factor.

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<v Speaker 1>You do watch a Cuff play and you're like, damn,

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<v Speaker 1>like this this kid has something, And again, what the

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<v Speaker 1>rookie scale. The rookie salary becomes so much more important

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<v Speaker 1>with the Aprons, with all of this new bullshit from

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<v Speaker 1>the Commissioner of the NBA that we're seeing that rookie,

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<v Speaker 1>that rookie contract is important for a team like the Clippers,

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<v Speaker 1>who do have a fair flexibility.

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<v Speaker 2>We look at the teams in the Western Conference finals

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<v Speaker 2>right now and how many guys they have on team

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<v Speaker 2>friend the still rookie deals. I mean, it makes all

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<v Speaker 2>the difference in the world. We're already talking about. Okay, see,

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<v Speaker 2>he has to make some decisions this summer, but they've

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<v Speaker 2>been in that perfect spot where you still It's kind

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<v Speaker 2>of like in the NFL. You know, you build around

420
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<v Speaker 2>the young quarterback, but then eventually you have to pay

421
00:23:23.880 --> 00:23:26.279
<v Speaker 2>him and it can gut the rest of your roster,

422
00:23:26.480 --> 00:23:28.799
<v Speaker 2>like we saw maybe the Seahawks and Russell Wilson at

423
00:23:28.839 --> 00:23:32.319
<v Speaker 2>one point, or you know, justin Herbert. Everybody has to

424
00:23:32.359 --> 00:23:33.279
<v Speaker 2>deal with that eventually.

425
00:23:33.720 --> 00:23:37.079
<v Speaker 1>But or you just pay two a year early and

426
00:23:37.119 --> 00:23:38.079
<v Speaker 1>then ruin everything.

427
00:23:38.480 --> 00:23:40.279
<v Speaker 2>Sorry, Oh, if you want to fast track, you like,

428
00:23:41.079 --> 00:23:46.279
<v Speaker 2>I'm trying to move on, so are they.

429
00:23:46.880 --> 00:23:49.519
<v Speaker 1>I cannot wait. This is going to sound crazy. I

430
00:23:49.599 --> 00:23:51.200
<v Speaker 1>cannot wait. For Dolphins football.

431
00:23:51.640 --> 00:23:53.240
<v Speaker 2>You guys don't play Atlanta this year?

432
00:23:53.279 --> 00:23:53.480
<v Speaker 1>Do you?

433
00:23:53.559 --> 00:23:56.039
<v Speaker 2>Are you playing the NFC South? Let me see your division?

434
00:23:56.359 --> 00:24:00.200
<v Speaker 2>Does that'd be interesting? I think we get a pants

435
00:24:00.240 --> 00:24:00.839
<v Speaker 2>Dolphins game.

436
00:24:00.880 --> 00:24:03.440
<v Speaker 1>Then I think we play them in the preseason. We

437
00:24:03.519 --> 00:24:05.799
<v Speaker 1>play in the last game of the preseason, but I

438
00:24:05.839 --> 00:24:11.799
<v Speaker 1>think that I think they would absolutely destroy Toua. It's

439
00:24:11.839 --> 00:24:15.759
<v Speaker 1>just the preseason. I can't wait to watch this team

440
00:24:15.759 --> 00:24:18.240
<v Speaker 1>win three games. Dude, I'm a complete sick Oh, Like,

441
00:24:18.319 --> 00:24:21.240
<v Speaker 1>I'm so hyped. I was watching blocking tight end highlights

442
00:24:23.640 --> 00:24:28.200
<v Speaker 1>the other day. We gotta we gotta vote for a

443
00:24:28.279 --> 00:24:30.039
<v Speaker 1>Cuff in the draft. A Cuff is the guy great

444
00:24:30.119 --> 00:24:33.839
<v Speaker 1>draft combined stats, SEC Champ and John Calipari stamp of approval.

445
00:24:34.160 --> 00:24:36.599
<v Speaker 1>That is one thing that keeps lingering with me when

446
00:24:36.599 --> 00:24:40.119
<v Speaker 1>I when I start questioning the Acuff pick at five,

447
00:24:40.200 --> 00:24:43.720
<v Speaker 1>I'm like, he is coached by the guy who continues

448
00:24:43.799 --> 00:24:48.359
<v Speaker 1>to produce very good guards in the NBA. Like he's

449
00:24:48.400 --> 00:24:49.839
<v Speaker 1>got that formula figured out.

450
00:24:50.599 --> 00:24:54.079
<v Speaker 2>The pedigree is there two weeks ago? That's where I

451
00:24:54.119 --> 00:24:57.880
<v Speaker 2>was leaning. I'm still there, but you could talk me

452
00:24:57.960 --> 00:25:00.880
<v Speaker 2>out of it easily. You could talk me into another guy.

453
00:25:01.279 --> 00:25:04.079
<v Speaker 2>I'm not fully committed I don't have that level of

454
00:25:04.119 --> 00:25:07.839
<v Speaker 2>conviction with anybody because the draft is it's wild. But

455
00:25:08.640 --> 00:25:12.079
<v Speaker 2>I just think when you're talking about a polished offensive

456
00:25:12.200 --> 00:25:16.240
<v Speaker 2>player that could easily come into the league and average

457
00:25:16.279 --> 00:25:20.039
<v Speaker 2>fifteen points per game right away, that looks like a cuff.

458
00:25:20.599 --> 00:25:25.000
<v Speaker 2>But the question is is that also a winning player?

459
00:25:25.079 --> 00:25:27.720
<v Speaker 2>Because we know so much more with advanced stats now

460
00:25:27.759 --> 00:25:31.519
<v Speaker 2>and actual impact versus just the raw numbers and traditional

461
00:25:31.640 --> 00:25:35.079
<v Speaker 2>numbers out there. Obviously he has to be a better defender,

462
00:25:35.279 --> 00:25:38.640
<v Speaker 2>but he does look like somebody that has a lot

463
00:25:38.680 --> 00:25:40.920
<v Speaker 2>of poison, some of those intangibles you'd look for in

464
00:25:40.960 --> 00:25:41.279
<v Speaker 2>a guy.

465
00:25:42.039 --> 00:25:44.799
<v Speaker 1>So this is funny. Gilbert Rivera bringing this up, he said,

466
00:25:44.799 --> 00:25:47.319
<v Speaker 1>so we agree, no more Keaton Woggler. I don't know

467
00:25:47.359 --> 00:25:51.519
<v Speaker 1>if I'm out on Woggler, but he is and I

468
00:25:51.559 --> 00:25:53.920
<v Speaker 1>would obviously love to be proven wrong on this, but

469
00:25:54.039 --> 00:25:57.960
<v Speaker 1>he's not in my Like if we drafted Woggar would

470
00:25:57.960 --> 00:26:00.200
<v Speaker 1>say great, I hope this works out. That's awesome, But

471
00:26:00.240 --> 00:26:03.160
<v Speaker 1>he's not as exciting. I don't think like it's he

472
00:26:03.319 --> 00:26:06.880
<v Speaker 1>just worked really hard to get buckets in college.

473
00:26:07.519 --> 00:26:10.160
<v Speaker 2>I think that's what Alfonso Lopez is missing when he

474
00:26:10.160 --> 00:26:13.039
<v Speaker 2>says he's a combo of Steph and Shay, like comparing

475
00:26:13.119 --> 00:26:17.599
<v Speaker 2>him to that's a Hall of Famer. Shaye will be

476
00:26:17.640 --> 00:26:20.680
<v Speaker 2>a Hall of Famer as well. Like, that's just an

477
00:26:20.720 --> 00:26:24.759
<v Speaker 2>insane comp I'm sorry, Like, just because he has a

478
00:26:24.759 --> 00:26:27.599
<v Speaker 2>flash here and there of a similar type of move

479
00:26:27.799 --> 00:26:29.960
<v Speaker 2>does not mean he can do it consistently, does not

480
00:26:30.000 --> 00:26:32.039
<v Speaker 2>mean he can do it at the next level consistently.

481
00:26:32.519 --> 00:26:35.559
<v Speaker 2>That's putting way too much pressure on a young player

482
00:26:35.680 --> 00:26:36.000
<v Speaker 2>like that.

483
00:26:36.279 --> 00:26:40.400
<v Speaker 1>He also doesn't play, Like, Yeah, I just I people.

484
00:26:40.680 --> 00:26:44.400
<v Speaker 1>I hate player comps. I know it's something that it's

485
00:26:44.440 --> 00:26:46.599
<v Speaker 1>you kind of do in your own mind, but I

486
00:26:46.640 --> 00:26:49.559
<v Speaker 1>hate when it's like, oh, he moves like Shay. It's

487
00:26:49.559 --> 00:26:52.240
<v Speaker 1>like he he doesn't. And that's not a bad thing.

488
00:26:52.720 --> 00:26:56.680
<v Speaker 1>Was it really got that comp out of college. I'll

489
00:26:56.680 --> 00:26:59.759
<v Speaker 1>never forget it. It was like, oh, Kawahi, but he can shoot,

490
00:26:59.799 --> 00:27:02.160
<v Speaker 1>and you like, I don't know, man, Like, that's a

491
00:27:02.319 --> 00:27:03.680
<v Speaker 1>very unfairb.

492
00:27:04.000 --> 00:27:07.119
<v Speaker 2>Remember when Jordan Miller was doing the d cell when

493
00:27:07.160 --> 00:27:09.359
<v Speaker 2>he first got into the rotation two years ago, and

494
00:27:09.359 --> 00:27:12.960
<v Speaker 2>everybody's like, oh my god, he could be Shay. Yeah, guys,

495
00:27:13.200 --> 00:27:17.680
<v Speaker 2>there's I wish you know what I mean, players can

496
00:27:17.799 --> 00:27:20.920
<v Speaker 2>mimic a guy's one move and do it here and there,

497
00:27:21.440 --> 00:27:24.559
<v Speaker 2>but never turn into that type of player. That's just

498
00:27:26.759 --> 00:27:29.559
<v Speaker 2>I don't think that's that's fair analysis, And I agree

499
00:27:29.559 --> 00:27:34.079
<v Speaker 2>with you. I'm not out on Woggler at all. No,

500
00:27:34.200 --> 00:27:37.319
<v Speaker 2>I just do think there's a real concern with if

501
00:27:37.359 --> 00:27:39.759
<v Speaker 2>you have to work that hard to get buckets in

502
00:27:39.880 --> 00:27:43.759
<v Speaker 2>college because you lack the wiggle burst athleticism, ability to

503
00:27:43.799 --> 00:27:47.559
<v Speaker 2>turn the corner and you're basically using off arm and

504
00:27:47.599 --> 00:27:49.640
<v Speaker 2>pushing guys around a little bit, I don't know if

505
00:27:49.640 --> 00:27:53.640
<v Speaker 2>that's gonna work at the next level to that degree.

506
00:27:53.720 --> 00:27:56.680
<v Speaker 2>Can you put on more size? Can that change? Sure?

507
00:27:56.960 --> 00:28:00.599
<v Speaker 2>Is his playmaking making up for it? Maybe? I just

508
00:28:01.200 --> 00:28:05.440
<v Speaker 2>I don't think it's as simple as helping him to

509
00:28:05.480 --> 00:28:09.240
<v Speaker 2>Steph and SGA because of a couple of moments. I

510
00:28:09.279 --> 00:28:13.759
<v Speaker 2>went back and watched SGA at Kentucky recently just to

511
00:28:13.799 --> 00:28:18.519
<v Speaker 2>see that comparison, because you know, a lot of people

512
00:28:18.559 --> 00:28:26.119
<v Speaker 2>have have said that SGA clearly had more wiggle ability

513
00:28:26.160 --> 00:28:30.160
<v Speaker 2>to beat his man off the dribble than Wobbler, and.

514
00:28:30.119 --> 00:28:33.119
<v Speaker 1>Knew how to use his frame, knew how to use

515
00:28:33.920 --> 00:28:37.640
<v Speaker 1>his slight. He was so he was a small player

516
00:28:37.680 --> 00:28:40.400
<v Speaker 1>as a rookie.

517
00:28:39.440 --> 00:28:42.440
<v Speaker 2>Like he was, Oh yeah, I couldn't believe when I

518
00:28:42.440 --> 00:28:44.400
<v Speaker 2>saw him a media day, I was like, oh my god,

519
00:28:46.160 --> 00:28:48.559
<v Speaker 2>is this string being Because you know, like guys either

520
00:28:48.599 --> 00:28:52.599
<v Speaker 2>look much bigger, much smaller, or batter skinnier in person.

521
00:28:53.000 --> 00:28:55.359
<v Speaker 2>Shaye was one of those that really stands out when

522
00:28:55.400 --> 00:28:57.480
<v Speaker 2>you see him in person. And that was his rookie

523
00:28:57.559 --> 00:28:59.799
<v Speaker 2>year and that was him and his Finnis in the NBA.

524
00:29:00.359 --> 00:29:03.279
<v Speaker 1>I've been Yeah, I've been the skinny player on the

525
00:29:03.319 --> 00:29:05.759
<v Speaker 1>team all my life, and it is like yo, yeah,

526
00:29:05.799 --> 00:29:08.279
<v Speaker 1>Like once you put that jersey on, it's not it

527
00:29:08.279 --> 00:29:09.359
<v Speaker 1>does not do you any favors.

528
00:29:10.000 --> 00:29:12.480
<v Speaker 2>See other people like Acuff the next coming to d Rose,

529
00:29:12.559 --> 00:29:14.880
<v Speaker 2>Like did you watch de Rose? He does not have

530
00:29:14.920 --> 00:29:17.640
<v Speaker 2>that level of athleticism you're talking about d Rose on

531
00:29:17.680 --> 00:29:22.640
<v Speaker 2>the knicks Like d Rose before all the knee injuries. Uh,

532
00:29:23.200 --> 00:29:26.400
<v Speaker 2>one of the most athletic, freakish athletes we've ever seen.

533
00:29:26.559 --> 00:29:31.880
<v Speaker 2>A Cuff is not that he's but but he's more

534
00:29:31.880 --> 00:29:34.680
<v Speaker 2>well rounded in his game and has a much better

535
00:29:34.720 --> 00:29:36.240
<v Speaker 2>shot coming out of college.

536
00:29:36.480 --> 00:29:40.279
<v Speaker 1>Yes, absolutely, from the outside, it's it's yeah, you can't

537
00:29:40.279 --> 00:29:44.839
<v Speaker 1>really compare it. Anthony Robinson saying Luca doesn't pet.

538
00:29:44.960 --> 00:29:50.640
<v Speaker 2>Yeah, he's freaking huge, He's huge seventy bro. He literally

539
00:29:50.640 --> 00:29:56.000
<v Speaker 2>weighs one hundred more pounds than Walkler, Like, what are

540
00:29:56.039 --> 00:30:00.559
<v Speaker 2>we talking about? Have also better athletes when he was

541
00:30:00.640 --> 00:30:01.319
<v Speaker 2>coming out.

542
00:30:01.920 --> 00:30:04.599
<v Speaker 1>And he also played in like the second best league

543
00:30:04.599 --> 00:30:05.200
<v Speaker 1>in the world.

544
00:30:05.599 --> 00:30:06.839
<v Speaker 2>It was a pro at twelve.

545
00:30:07.079 --> 00:30:09.480
<v Speaker 1>But this is something we do know. What if we

546
00:30:09.599 --> 00:30:12.839
<v Speaker 1>get Woggler on awaken plan and he gains one hundred pounds,

547
00:30:14.160 --> 00:30:15.200
<v Speaker 1>then we're good.

548
00:30:15.599 --> 00:30:19.279
<v Speaker 2>The difference is okay. Luka Dancics was quicker before he

549
00:30:19.359 --> 00:30:22.440
<v Speaker 2>started to gain the weight. Woggler starting at a position

550
00:30:22.480 --> 00:30:25.200
<v Speaker 2>where he's not even as quicker as shifty as Luca

551
00:30:25.240 --> 00:30:30.119
<v Speaker 2>was at probably two twenty or whatever Luca was coming out. Yeah,

552
00:30:30.680 --> 00:30:33.680
<v Speaker 2>if he's already slow it this weight, I'm concerned he

553
00:30:33.680 --> 00:30:38.799
<v Speaker 2>puts more weight on. There's something more athleticism. You could

554
00:30:38.880 --> 00:30:40.920
<v Speaker 2>do that with Luca because the starting point was a

555
00:30:40.960 --> 00:30:44.799
<v Speaker 2>little bit higher with his athleticism. Go watch Luca's rookie year,

556
00:30:44.839 --> 00:30:48.079
<v Speaker 2>go watch his highlights. Soberseas like he was definitely a

557
00:30:48.079 --> 00:30:48.759
<v Speaker 2>better athlete.

558
00:30:48.880 --> 00:30:51.000
<v Speaker 1>I'll follow those things. Same stuff they said about Steph

559
00:30:51.039 --> 00:30:52.839
<v Speaker 1>when he came out of Davidson. That's why he got

560
00:30:52.920 --> 00:31:01.079
<v Speaker 1>drafted seven. I don't know man did Stephan Anyway, all right,

561
00:31:02.599 --> 00:31:05.279
<v Speaker 1>we're moving on from the Woggler player cops, because so

562
00:31:05.319 --> 00:31:08.559
<v Speaker 1>far we've heard Luca say Steph.

563
00:31:09.119 --> 00:31:12.720
<v Speaker 2>Steph wasn't backing his man down and using spin moves

564
00:31:12.759 --> 00:31:15.960
<v Speaker 2>with craftiness around the rim like Woggler can do at

565
00:31:15.960 --> 00:31:18.920
<v Speaker 2>the college level. I just don't know if that can

566
00:31:19.000 --> 00:31:24.440
<v Speaker 2>translate against NBA guys. Steph was pulling up from everywhere

567
00:31:24.559 --> 00:31:28.720
<v Speaker 2>at Davidson. They're not the same, and it was on.

568
00:31:28.680 --> 00:31:30.799
<v Speaker 1>All these guys. So what's interesting to you with all

569
00:31:30.880 --> 00:31:34.480
<v Speaker 1>these picks is fans are gonna want this guy to

570
00:31:34.480 --> 00:31:39.599
<v Speaker 1>contribute right away. And if let's not forget that Bradley

571
00:31:39.599 --> 00:31:44.119
<v Speaker 1>Beal is still on this team. Yeah, which is easy

572
00:31:44.160 --> 00:31:48.039
<v Speaker 1>to forget. No disrespect to Bradley Beal, but sometimes you're like, oh, yeah,

573
00:31:48.079 --> 00:31:52.960
<v Speaker 1>Bradley Beal is assumedly penciled in, is the starting two guard.

574
00:31:53.880 --> 00:31:57.880
<v Speaker 2>When did he get hurt Game three? Yeah, I mean, yeah,

575
00:31:58.000 --> 00:32:03.559
<v Speaker 2>it's out of side, out of mind. But and it's

576
00:32:03.599 --> 00:32:06.720
<v Speaker 2>a good contract. But how is he gonna look coming

577
00:32:06.759 --> 00:32:08.599
<v Speaker 2>off as rare injury? I have no idea.

578
00:32:08.880 --> 00:32:11.480
<v Speaker 1>I couldn't tell you. So maybe that does maybe we

579
00:32:11.519 --> 00:32:15.519
<v Speaker 1>get a thing. There's just a lot of question marks.

580
00:32:15.400 --> 00:32:15.559
<v Speaker 2>Like.

581
00:32:17.359 --> 00:32:20.680
<v Speaker 1>The front office itself does want someone I'm assuming who's

582
00:32:20.680 --> 00:32:22.799
<v Speaker 1>obviously gonna be able to help contribute in this window

583
00:32:22.880 --> 00:32:30.039
<v Speaker 1>of like winning with Kawhi from what we've heard, which

584
00:32:30.079 --> 00:32:32.680
<v Speaker 1>also I would like to give a tip of the

585
00:32:32.759 --> 00:32:37.440
<v Speaker 1>hat to Justin Russo who tweeted out I feel compelled

586
00:32:37.440 --> 00:32:39.799
<v Speaker 1>to say that all of the Kawhi Leonard trade packages

587
00:32:39.839 --> 00:32:42.559
<v Speaker 1>that get floated out and mock drafts are terrible and

588
00:32:42.640 --> 00:32:46.160
<v Speaker 1>the people doing them should feel bad. I haven't seen

589
00:32:46.480 --> 00:32:54.960
<v Speaker 1>a single good idea for a Kawhi trade, Like the

590
00:32:55.039 --> 00:32:58.680
<v Speaker 1>Pistons wanted, but they're giving us their twenty twenty eight

591
00:32:58.759 --> 00:33:00.480
<v Speaker 1>first round pick, and you're like great.

592
00:33:00.640 --> 00:33:05.039
<v Speaker 2>So now you're like, are they Are they going to

593
00:33:05.119 --> 00:33:08.359
<v Speaker 2>finish four through ten? Because then you get three lottery balls.

594
00:33:08.400 --> 00:33:10.759
<v Speaker 2>You have to just shift your mind You have to

595
00:33:10.839 --> 00:33:14.359
<v Speaker 2>change your mindset. With the new lottery rules, maybe.

596
00:33:14.119 --> 00:33:16.279
<v Speaker 1>They would finish fourth through ten if we traded them Kawhi.

597
00:33:16.880 --> 00:33:18.279
<v Speaker 1>They're probably not winning sixty games.

598
00:33:18.279 --> 00:33:23.240
<v Speaker 2>Again, sometimes I can't tell sometimes if we're too much

599
00:33:23.240 --> 00:33:27.039
<v Speaker 2>in the Clippers bubble and overvaluing Kawhi because he's about

600
00:33:27.039 --> 00:33:31.519
<v Speaker 2>to be thirty five, or for undervaluing him because his

601
00:33:31.640 --> 00:33:33.359
<v Speaker 2>season was that spectacular.

602
00:33:37.400 --> 00:33:38.160
<v Speaker 1>I would like to.

603
00:33:38.319 --> 00:33:40.880
<v Speaker 2>It just didn't end well, you know, it didn't didn't

604
00:33:40.920 --> 00:33:43.200
<v Speaker 2>have a great game against Golden State, and that is

605
00:33:43.519 --> 00:33:47.400
<v Speaker 2>reframing how people see Kawhi. I think that's why he

606
00:33:47.519 --> 00:33:50.799
<v Speaker 2>only got four votes for first Team All NBA because

607
00:33:50.799 --> 00:33:53.119
<v Speaker 2>they didn't have the ballots in yet all the way, Yeah,

608
00:33:53.200 --> 00:33:56.519
<v Speaker 2>that's a good call. Four is just I'm sorry, it's

609
00:33:56.559 --> 00:33:58.200
<v Speaker 2>too low. You can make the argument he's not All

610
00:33:58.279 --> 00:34:00.279
<v Speaker 2>NBA first Team. That's fine with me. Yeah, I get

611
00:34:01.400 --> 00:34:04.880
<v Speaker 2>or when everybody was saying not just us, everybody was

612
00:34:04.880 --> 00:34:07.039
<v Speaker 2>saying for about two and a half months, Uh, this

613
00:34:07.119 --> 00:34:09.000
<v Speaker 2>is the best Kawhai's ever looked. Uh? Is he the

614
00:34:09.039 --> 00:34:09.960
<v Speaker 2>best player in the game.

615
00:34:10.639 --> 00:34:13.639
<v Speaker 1>It's his best offensive season possibly ever, if you can

616
00:34:13.719 --> 00:34:16.039
<v Speaker 1>factor in the ramping up of the outside shooting.

617
00:34:17.000 --> 00:34:19.800
<v Speaker 2>Well you want to talk about on off splits, they

618
00:34:19.880 --> 00:34:23.840
<v Speaker 2>were all of the teen points better with him out there.

619
00:34:24.039 --> 00:34:27.360
<v Speaker 1>Like it was insane, that's unreal, and all of the

620
00:34:27.400 --> 00:34:31.760
<v Speaker 1>ideas just like are bad, Like I don't want Duncan Robinson,

621
00:34:31.840 --> 00:34:33.400
<v Speaker 1>Isaiah Stewart on this team, Like.

622
00:34:36.280 --> 00:34:38.840
<v Speaker 2>Yeah, what was you said? Twenty twenty eight first round

623
00:34:38.920 --> 00:34:40.840
<v Speaker 2>pick that was the only draft capital.

624
00:34:40.639 --> 00:34:42.719
<v Speaker 1>Let me check. I've posted one on Twitter that made

625
00:34:42.719 --> 00:34:43.559
<v Speaker 1>people really mad.

626
00:34:44.480 --> 00:34:47.320
<v Speaker 2>Was there one for Miami to resigning?

627
00:34:47.599 --> 00:34:51.559
<v Speaker 1>Dude, Look, people who create mock drafts for the Miami

628
00:34:51.639 --> 00:34:55.519
<v Speaker 1>Heat are like the most I don't know what it is,

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<v Speaker 1>but it's just like, what if you gave me Kawhi

630
00:34:58.559 --> 00:35:01.079
<v Speaker 1>Leonard and I gave you a a big bag of

631
00:35:01.199 --> 00:35:03.920
<v Speaker 1>shit and it's like, well, I don't want to do that,

632
00:35:04.199 --> 00:35:06.800
<v Speaker 1>Like we get like Tyler Hero.

633
00:35:06.760 --> 00:35:09.840
<v Speaker 2>And yeah, the Tyler Hero.

634
00:35:10.559 --> 00:35:12.320
<v Speaker 1>That's who they would trade for part of it, and

635
00:35:12.360 --> 00:35:14.360
<v Speaker 1>I don't want him on the team. He's got one

636
00:35:14.360 --> 00:35:15.679
<v Speaker 1>of the worst tattoos in the league.

637
00:35:17.000 --> 00:35:19.320
<v Speaker 2>I don't have an issue with that, but the contract.

638
00:35:18.920 --> 00:35:21.280
<v Speaker 1>I take issue with that. That's bad decision making. If

639
00:35:21.280 --> 00:35:24.320
<v Speaker 1>you have bad tattoos to a certain extent, that's bad

640
00:35:24.320 --> 00:35:26.920
<v Speaker 1>decision making. And I'm a fan of Mike Scott.

641
00:35:28.360 --> 00:35:31.400
<v Speaker 2>H Tyler Hero is a He's in a contract year

642
00:35:31.480 --> 00:35:36.320
<v Speaker 2>actually thirty three million this year unrestricted after that.

643
00:35:37.960 --> 00:35:39.639
<v Speaker 1>Thirty three is a lot for Tyler Hero.

644
00:35:40.559 --> 00:35:42.320
<v Speaker 2>But I mean it's expiring though I don't.

645
00:35:42.400 --> 00:35:45.559
<v Speaker 1>Yeah, that's true, and they do. They just also it's

646
00:35:45.599 --> 00:35:48.400
<v Speaker 1>like the Clippers have they don't have to trade Kawhi.

647
00:35:48.440 --> 00:35:53.559
<v Speaker 1>We have movable assets, we have what thirty five million

648
00:35:53.639 --> 00:35:57.719
<v Speaker 1>and expirings.

649
00:35:58.320 --> 00:36:01.400
<v Speaker 2>Well, did we come to the conclusion about forty two million?

650
00:36:01.440 --> 00:36:04.239
<v Speaker 2>They could have up to forty two million depending on

651
00:36:04.360 --> 00:36:07.920
<v Speaker 2>who comes back with John Collins, with Mathurine, Right.

652
00:36:07.960 --> 00:36:10.480
<v Speaker 1>Yeah, for sure, because we got Lopez bogged in.

653
00:36:11.880 --> 00:36:14.079
<v Speaker 2>Lopez and Nico are on team options.

654
00:36:14.760 --> 00:36:17.920
<v Speaker 1>I believe he look man, the Clipper's posting some Nico

655
00:36:18.000 --> 00:36:20.159
<v Speaker 1>highlights the other day and I was like, hell, yeah,

656
00:36:20.480 --> 00:36:23.039
<v Speaker 1>club option five point eight million, not nothing.

657
00:36:23.920 --> 00:36:26.480
<v Speaker 2>Like you do have to consider with Kawhi And this

658
00:36:26.559 --> 00:36:29.639
<v Speaker 2>is this is not an original thought, but it seems

659
00:36:29.679 --> 00:36:33.400
<v Speaker 2>that people have very quickly forgotten because he played sixty

660
00:36:33.440 --> 00:36:36.519
<v Speaker 2>five games this year that if you wait, he say, oh,

661
00:36:36.559 --> 00:36:40.360
<v Speaker 2>we can wait for a better offer. What if he

662
00:36:40.360 --> 00:36:43.119
<v Speaker 2>gets reinjured? What if this is selling at the peak

663
00:36:43.199 --> 00:36:49.559
<v Speaker 2>right now? Because also he's extension eligible, so he wants

664
00:36:49.599 --> 00:36:53.280
<v Speaker 2>to go. Like, if they're not working out a contract

665
00:36:53.400 --> 00:36:57.159
<v Speaker 2>for him to extend as a Clipper this summer, I'm

666
00:36:57.199 --> 00:37:01.920
<v Speaker 2>guessing he's gonna want to go somewhere else. Sometimes I

667
00:37:01.960 --> 00:37:04.760
<v Speaker 2>think he's going to play on an expiring with his

668
00:37:04.760 --> 00:37:06.239
<v Speaker 2>his how injury prone he is.

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00:37:06.960 --> 00:37:10.000
<v Speaker 1>Sometimes I think about the Mike Trout thing where I'm like,

670
00:37:10.039 --> 00:37:11.599
<v Speaker 1>does he just like living where he lives.

671
00:37:12.320 --> 00:37:14.480
<v Speaker 2>Oh yeah, oh no, I think he will just stay

672
00:37:14.519 --> 00:37:19.119
<v Speaker 2>with the Flippers. All things are equal Clippers for sure.

673
00:37:19.440 --> 00:37:22.320
<v Speaker 1>Yeah Ayfish is saying, I think Kawhi to Miami for where.

674
00:37:22.440 --> 00:37:24.639
<v Speaker 1>I don't know. If the Heat want to move where.

675
00:37:25.199 --> 00:37:26.960
<v Speaker 2>That'd be great. That's what everybody wants from them.

676
00:37:27.000 --> 00:37:29.800
<v Speaker 1>But yeah, yeah, this feels like our version of the

677
00:37:29.800 --> 00:37:31.559
<v Speaker 1>bag of ship trade that I just talked about, not

678
00:37:31.559 --> 00:37:33.920
<v Speaker 1>the Kauhi as a bag of shit, but like where

679
00:37:34.000 --> 00:37:41.480
<v Speaker 1>is very clarifying, I have to but it's it would

680
00:37:41.480 --> 00:37:45.440
<v Speaker 1>be selling high if the Clippers did it before the

681
00:37:45.480 --> 00:37:49.480
<v Speaker 1>next season started. It's selling high because if he comes

682
00:37:49.480 --> 00:37:52.440
<v Speaker 1>out and they start six and or some boot, not

683
00:37:52.519 --> 00:37:53.039
<v Speaker 1>that they will.

684
00:37:54.960 --> 00:37:57.679
<v Speaker 2>I think people also can be frustrated with the return though,

685
00:37:57.719 --> 00:37:59.719
<v Speaker 2>because they're not looking at the fact he's thirty five

686
00:37:59.760 --> 00:38:03.519
<v Speaker 2>and looking at the long injury history, and they're probably

687
00:38:03.559 --> 00:38:07.159
<v Speaker 2>just going recency bias of the past year and the

688
00:38:07.199 --> 00:38:11.760
<v Speaker 2>fact that he's on and expiring. All those things are

689
00:38:11.760 --> 00:38:15.199
<v Speaker 2>working against the Clippers, and negotiations if those are being

690
00:38:15.239 --> 00:38:19.079
<v Speaker 2>had or if they are going to be at some point.

691
00:38:19.039 --> 00:38:23.960
<v Speaker 1>The Golden State thing. None of those trades look like

692
00:38:24.000 --> 00:38:26.159
<v Speaker 1>something that I think Lawrence Frank would execute.

693
00:38:27.599 --> 00:38:29.199
<v Speaker 2>There was one that I was interested in.

694
00:38:29.880 --> 00:38:31.440
<v Speaker 1>What is it that?

695
00:38:31.800 --> 00:38:34.280
<v Speaker 2>There was definitely one where they were giving up two picks,

696
00:38:35.280 --> 00:38:37.119
<v Speaker 2>and I think Moody.

697
00:38:38.480 --> 00:38:41.159
<v Speaker 1>I don't want, Yeah, I don't want any part of Butler,

698
00:38:41.360 --> 00:38:43.039
<v Speaker 1>Draymond or Porzingis.

699
00:38:43.760 --> 00:38:45.960
<v Speaker 2>Draymond might have been included to make the money work,

700
00:38:45.960 --> 00:38:49.840
<v Speaker 2>but he's in expiring after this year. Yeah, Butler.

701
00:38:50.039 --> 00:38:51.400
<v Speaker 1>I was like, I still have to do with Draymond

702
00:38:51.440 --> 00:38:53.480
<v Speaker 1>on my team, which seems like a fucking nightmare at

703
00:38:53.480 --> 00:38:54.480
<v Speaker 1>this stage in his career.

704
00:38:57.760 --> 00:39:00.840
<v Speaker 2>The Butler expiring is likely the one that's going out

705
00:39:00.880 --> 00:39:03.159
<v Speaker 2>in any big Golden State move they make to make

706
00:39:03.159 --> 00:39:09.840
<v Speaker 2>the money match. But it would be hard to see

707
00:39:09.920 --> 00:39:13.920
<v Speaker 2>him within the PACTV playing for a different team four

708
00:39:13.920 --> 00:39:17.920
<v Speaker 2>times a year, and a team that you would expect

709
00:39:17.960 --> 00:39:20.239
<v Speaker 2>to be better if they have Kawhi and Steph Curry.

710
00:39:21.000 --> 00:39:22.920
<v Speaker 2>That would be hard. Typically, you want to send these

711
00:39:22.960 --> 00:39:24.760
<v Speaker 2>guys to the Eastern Conference.

712
00:39:24.679 --> 00:39:26.559
<v Speaker 1>Yeah, not six hours north.

713
00:39:28.679 --> 00:39:31.159
<v Speaker 2>Best case scenario you send them to another country like

714
00:39:31.199 --> 00:39:31.800
<v Speaker 2>San Antonio.

715
00:39:34.519 --> 00:39:36.800
<v Speaker 1>Yeah, let's do Kawhi to Brooklyn for MPJ in the

716
00:39:36.840 --> 00:39:39.679
<v Speaker 1>sixth Yeah, let's call that in. I'm in for that.

717
00:39:39.679 --> 00:39:40.440
<v Speaker 1>That would be awesome.

718
00:39:44.000 --> 00:39:44.800
<v Speaker 2>I'm good with it.

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<v Speaker 1>I like, yeah, we do have to talk about this

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<v Speaker 1>real quick. Adam, did you bring a dip today?

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<v Speaker 2>I did.

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<v Speaker 1>For those of you who are new to the show,

723
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<v Speaker 1>in the off season, we are called clips and Dip.

724
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<v Speaker 1>We do a dip segment. We either make a dip

725
00:40:02.920 --> 00:40:08.519
<v Speaker 1>a viewer suggestion, we go buy one. I have finished

726
00:40:08.559 --> 00:40:10.559
<v Speaker 1>all of what I was eating with my dip. We

727
00:40:10.599 --> 00:40:13.360
<v Speaker 1>had a good, good setup last week. Adam, what did

728
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<v Speaker 1>you bring for your dip?

729
00:40:17.000 --> 00:40:19.679
<v Speaker 2>Alfonso comment, I can't tell if this guy's a troller?

730
00:40:19.679 --> 00:40:21.920
<v Speaker 2>What okay? So I went back to my tried and true,

731
00:40:21.960 --> 00:40:28.639
<v Speaker 2>old faithful Tostitos eightium nacho cheese dip and I was using.

732
00:40:29.079 --> 00:40:31.280
<v Speaker 2>I had a steak burrito bowl and I was just

733
00:40:31.320 --> 00:40:33.679
<v Speaker 2>like taking the steak. But it was steak and cheese,

734
00:40:33.760 --> 00:40:36.199
<v Speaker 2>cheese and steak. It it was good. It was really good.

735
00:40:36.360 --> 00:40:40.960
<v Speaker 2>And you would questionable dip says of late, But this, this,

736
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<v Speaker 2>this is a Bob approach.

737
00:40:42.960 --> 00:40:46.000
<v Speaker 1>Now the honey. The honey started conversation that was that

738
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<v Speaker 1>was experimental, Jack, you would bring that, you would bring

739
00:40:49.760 --> 00:40:50.559
<v Speaker 1>that to the barbecue.

740
00:40:51.400 --> 00:40:53.400
<v Speaker 2>I would assume it would already be there. But yeah, I.

741
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<v Speaker 1>Went with spicy to Zeke, which also on the late

742
00:41:00.639 --> 00:41:04.320
<v Speaker 1>is dip and spread. It's throwing everything into some kind

743
00:41:04.360 --> 00:41:09.280
<v Speaker 1>of chaos. It was pretty good. It wasn't as spicy

744
00:41:09.280 --> 00:41:10.840
<v Speaker 1>as I wanted it to be. It says it's two

745
00:41:10.920 --> 00:41:14.000
<v Speaker 1>out of three pepper spicy. It's nowhere near that. It

746
00:41:14.039 --> 00:41:17.119
<v Speaker 1>is maybe half a pepper spicy. I enjoyed it with

747
00:41:17.119 --> 00:41:20.079
<v Speaker 1>some peda, with some olive oil and salt on it, toasted.

748
00:41:21.159 --> 00:41:25.679
<v Speaker 1>I would bring it to a barbecue of someone who

749
00:41:25.679 --> 00:41:28.599
<v Speaker 1>I knew doesn't really like exotic, you know, like doesn't

750
00:41:28.599 --> 00:41:33.440
<v Speaker 1>really have an adventurous palette. I guess. Yeah, but it

751
00:41:33.519 --> 00:41:38.079
<v Speaker 1>was pretty solid. Yeah, what do we think will it's

752
00:41:38.119 --> 00:41:41.559
<v Speaker 1>a people pleaser? It's not. Yeah, it's fading into the background.

753
00:41:41.599 --> 00:41:43.199
<v Speaker 2>It's mainstream dip.

754
00:41:43.559 --> 00:41:48.400
<v Speaker 1>Yeah made, oh, absolutely mainstream dip. Okay, thank you for

755
00:41:48.920 --> 00:41:52.159
<v Speaker 1>adhering to the dip took everybody. We are contractually obligated

756
00:41:52.199 --> 00:41:57.519
<v Speaker 1>to do that. Someone's asking, why would we trade Kawhi?

757
00:41:58.199 --> 00:42:01.159
<v Speaker 1>Really makes no sense. He's a top ten player new arena.

758
00:42:01.559 --> 00:42:03.599
<v Speaker 1>Who's gonna pay money to see a bunch of role players?

759
00:42:04.679 --> 00:42:07.639
<v Speaker 1>I guess from the from the business sense, I can

760
00:42:07.679 --> 00:42:08.599
<v Speaker 1>see this argument.

761
00:42:10.280 --> 00:42:14.840
<v Speaker 2>That's definitely something we have to considers on the outside

762
00:42:14.880 --> 00:42:17.000
<v Speaker 2>and you're crossing the bridge and into a dome. That's

763
00:42:17.000 --> 00:42:19.519
<v Speaker 2>where you put your stars that you're branding in your marketing.

764
00:42:20.239 --> 00:42:23.760
<v Speaker 2>But I think we're missing the part where Kawhi may

765
00:42:23.920 --> 00:42:26.280
<v Speaker 2>want to leave if he doesn't feel like the Clippers

766
00:42:26.599 --> 00:42:29.519
<v Speaker 2>are going to be a contender in the near future,

767
00:42:29.639 --> 00:42:32.719
<v Speaker 2>he may want to go somewhere else, and so it

768
00:42:32.800 --> 00:42:34.480
<v Speaker 2>may not be about what the Clippers want.

769
00:42:36.639 --> 00:42:41.519
<v Speaker 1>Yeah, it's And I wonder because he's already taken less

770
00:42:41.519 --> 00:42:44.239
<v Speaker 1>technically than the max for his last contract, So you

771
00:42:44.280 --> 00:42:49.920
<v Speaker 1>wonder what that next deal looks like, what a team

772
00:42:50.039 --> 00:42:52.159
<v Speaker 1>goes over the second or third apron to sign it.

773
00:42:52.239 --> 00:42:57.320
<v Speaker 2>Like my guess would be somewhere that's like a two

774
00:42:57.360 --> 00:42:59.480
<v Speaker 2>plus one or a three year deal that's around a

775
00:42:59.519 --> 00:43:02.800
<v Speaker 2>hundred million, Like he's getting around thirty million per year,

776
00:43:02.840 --> 00:43:03.559
<v Speaker 2>a little bit over.

777
00:43:05.119 --> 00:43:10.079
<v Speaker 1>Yeah, I would be perfectly fine with that for the Clips,

778
00:43:10.079 --> 00:43:12.679
<v Speaker 1>because we still don't know what we're signing Jonathan Collins

779
00:43:12.760 --> 00:43:14.960
<v Speaker 1>or what the Mathine deal looks like. There's been no

780
00:43:15.280 --> 00:43:15.960
<v Speaker 1>chatter about that.

781
00:43:19.800 --> 00:43:23.039
<v Speaker 2>It's just a lot of these comments are swinging the

782
00:43:23.079 --> 00:43:26.119
<v Speaker 2>other way. The first time Kawhi gets injured as a

783
00:43:26.119 --> 00:43:28.880
<v Speaker 2>little ankle. He's out for a couple a couple of games,

784
00:43:28.840 --> 00:43:30.960
<v Speaker 2>and everybody starts freaking out, saying, why didn't we trade them?

785
00:43:30.960 --> 00:43:33.960
<v Speaker 2>Why didn't we trade them while he's healthy? I know

786
00:43:34.039 --> 00:43:34.760
<v Speaker 2>how this goes.

787
00:43:35.760 --> 00:43:39.320
<v Speaker 1>Oh yeah, I like this question from Blackout. Would you

788
00:43:39.400 --> 00:43:40.800
<v Speaker 1>rather get more picks or players?

789
00:43:40.840 --> 00:43:41.079
<v Speaker 2>Back?

790
00:43:41.239 --> 00:43:43.480
<v Speaker 1>Keeping in mind the new lot of rules. The new

791
00:43:43.519 --> 00:43:45.199
<v Speaker 1>lot of rules do make it interesting kind of what

792
00:43:45.239 --> 00:43:47.840
<v Speaker 1>you were talking about, Like, if we get the Pistons

793
00:43:48.000 --> 00:43:51.960
<v Speaker 1>pick in the next two years or whatever, four through

794
00:43:52.000 --> 00:43:54.000
<v Speaker 1>ten doesn't seem crazy for them, you know.

795
00:43:54.199 --> 00:43:59.440
<v Speaker 2>Like, yeah, it's the problem here is it completely depends

796
00:43:59.480 --> 00:44:00.079
<v Speaker 2>on the player.

797
00:44:00.760 --> 00:44:00.960
<v Speaker 1>Right.

798
00:44:02.079 --> 00:44:03.920
<v Speaker 2>There are players I'd want more than picks. There are

799
00:44:03.960 --> 00:44:05.440
<v Speaker 2>picks I'd rather have them players.

800
00:44:06.239 --> 00:44:10.039
<v Speaker 1>I like this, what if we got Wemby. Oh no,

801
00:44:10.079 --> 00:44:15.239
<v Speaker 1>they're saying we need a Wemby Stopper brother brother, Sure, yeah,

802
00:44:15.400 --> 00:44:18.199
<v Speaker 1>let's do it. I think the only Wemby Stopper is

803
00:44:18.239 --> 00:44:20.719
<v Speaker 1>someone you hire to injure Wemby on the way to

804
00:44:20.760 --> 00:44:21.360
<v Speaker 1>the arena.

805
00:44:23.000 --> 00:44:25.920
<v Speaker 2>I help my artery Stopper kicks in right now because

806
00:44:25.960 --> 00:44:27.840
<v Speaker 2>that wild comment.

807
00:44:28.079 --> 00:44:30.480
<v Speaker 1>I don't know. I yeah, we do need honestly, they're

808
00:44:30.519 --> 00:44:35.840
<v Speaker 1>not wrong, though, we do need a web Stopper counterpoint, No,

809
00:44:35.960 --> 00:44:41.239
<v Speaker 1>we don't, right, like get healthy, yeah please, And we

810
00:44:41.280 --> 00:44:44.639
<v Speaker 1>don't really have a timeline for that or anything. November

811
00:44:44.719 --> 00:44:48.719
<v Speaker 1>is kind of what Justin Russo mentioned, like timeline wise.

812
00:44:50.000 --> 00:44:51.800
<v Speaker 2>I said, I wouldn't be shocked to not see him

813
00:44:51.800 --> 00:44:53.840
<v Speaker 2>till December.

814
00:44:54.760 --> 00:44:57.599
<v Speaker 1>They're gonna take the guys and they're gonna take their time.

815
00:44:58.280 --> 00:45:01.719
<v Speaker 2>He's a young player. You have to Yeah, you've invested

816
00:45:01.760 --> 00:45:03.400
<v Speaker 2>too much. You're not going to rush him back.

817
00:45:05.360 --> 00:45:07.800
<v Speaker 1>Andy Marrow possible Wemby Stopper, All right, we gotta get

818
00:45:07.800 --> 00:45:10.840
<v Speaker 1>out of here. People are getting crazy. Do you have

819
00:45:10.880 --> 00:45:18.639
<v Speaker 1>any thoughts on uh, the Shay Underdog AI lawsuit.

820
00:45:21.320 --> 00:45:26.199
<v Speaker 2>The only thing so at first, because what are you

821
00:45:26.360 --> 00:45:30.320
<v Speaker 2>suing exactly? What are you using? Yeah, name and likeness

822
00:45:30.320 --> 00:45:34.000
<v Speaker 2>with it. They're not using a generic player that just

823
00:45:34.039 --> 00:45:37.360
<v Speaker 2>looks like him. It literally has his jersey and everything. Yeah,

824
00:45:37.719 --> 00:45:41.639
<v Speaker 2>so they're not disguising it. This isn't like number twenty

825
00:45:41.679 --> 00:45:43.880
<v Speaker 2>three on an old school NBA game that plays for

826
00:45:43.960 --> 00:45:46.880
<v Speaker 2>the Bulls because Michael Jordan owned his name and likeness.

827
00:45:46.760 --> 00:45:49.559
<v Speaker 1>Or the guy who would play for Barry Bonds in

828
00:45:49.639 --> 00:45:52.960
<v Speaker 1>the MLB games, like Chris Stevens or whatever the name

829
00:45:53.079 --> 00:45:54.119
<v Speaker 1>was like I.

830
00:45:54.119 --> 00:45:56.559
<v Speaker 2>Think it was whatever Wesley Snipe's name was in the

831
00:45:56.639 --> 00:45:58.239
<v Speaker 2>fan he man.

832
00:45:58.119 --> 00:46:02.880
<v Speaker 1>What's a crazy movie? I just think, like, I mean,

833
00:46:03.000 --> 00:46:07.320
<v Speaker 1>anyone any other celebrities have done this. You can't use

834
00:46:07.360 --> 00:46:10.760
<v Speaker 1>my likeness to make my a like to disparage me,

835
00:46:11.559 --> 00:46:14.920
<v Speaker 1>especially from I think people are maybe forgetting that Underdog

836
00:46:15.000 --> 00:46:21.599
<v Speaker 1>is a billion dollar gambling company.

837
00:46:20.840 --> 00:46:24.800
<v Speaker 2>Like I don't care about that, but they're obviously like

838
00:46:24.880 --> 00:46:27.880
<v Speaker 2>they're using this for their own marketing. They're getting something

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<v Speaker 2>out of it. This is not some rando on Twitter

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<v Speaker 2>that just made this right, Like, they are a huge company.

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<v Speaker 1>And again, you can't use the likeness like that, like.

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<v Speaker 2>You, I think it's I think most celebrities would get

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<v Speaker 2>behind Shay as they I.

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<v Speaker 1>Mean other celebrities like Wemby suits someone for an AI thing.

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<v Speaker 1>I think Lebron suits someone because they kept making AI

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<v Speaker 1>photos of him as pregnant. Like you can't let people

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<v Speaker 1>who use AI to create anything. You can't give him

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<v Speaker 1>a fucking inch because they're idiots inherently in terms of

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<v Speaker 1>generative image stuff, like you can't be doing that, Like.

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<v Speaker 2>There was one person that was cool with this, and

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<v Speaker 2>it was the late great Val Kilmer, who is going

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<v Speaker 2>to have a movie.

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<v Speaker 1>Was it or did his family decide he's cool with it?

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<v Speaker 2>Well, who knows? Would I would hope they'd look out

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<v Speaker 2>for his best interests and maybe when he was alive

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<v Speaker 2>he had to sign something. Well, if he was, I

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<v Speaker 2>don't know.

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<v Speaker 1>I don't know. Well because stan Lee, it's happened with

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<v Speaker 1>stan Lee too, Like I don't know. I'm on Obviously,

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<v Speaker 1>no one is like pro flopping or anything like that,

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<v Speaker 1>but I am pro and athlete suing a billion dollar

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<v Speaker 1>company for using their likeness in such a coordinated, gross

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<v Speaker 1>way like this is kind of an unprecedented thing. Like

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<v Speaker 1>even the band the Boss shirts, at least Bo's made

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<v Speaker 1>those themselves.

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah, they're pushing the envelope. They're seeing what they can

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<v Speaker 2>get away with. And because it's still the wild wild

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<v Speaker 2>West with these things, we'll learn as we go along.

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<v Speaker 2>But I think as much as people get on the

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<v Speaker 2>OKC Thunder and Shay and I get it, and I

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<v Speaker 2>understand it to a degree. Sure, they're so damn elite

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<v Speaker 2>at basketball that I can overlook a lot of that.

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<v Speaker 2>That's just me though.

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<v Speaker 1>Did you see the clip where Nick Wright was talking

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<v Speaker 1>about the flopping and everything, and the other host is like, well,

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<v Speaker 1>if they're so good this, why didn't they lead the

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<v Speaker 1>league in free throws? And Nick, well, I don't know,

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<v Speaker 1>and you're like, okay, all right, we're gonna get out

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<v Speaker 1>of here. Adam. Oh wait, we do one more shout

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<v Speaker 1>out for the hoops for Hunter syndrome. It's pinned at

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<v Speaker 1>the top of the chat. Check it out if you

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<v Speaker 1>want to donate. You can donate if you want to go,

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<v Speaker 1>show up and hoop at the RANT Sports Facility in

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<v Speaker 1>Chino on July nineteenth. That's nine to twelve pm. I

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<v Speaker 1>know we could. You can hoop, so careful about that.

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<v Speaker 1>We'll be back probably next week, might take another week off,

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<v Speaker 1>who knows, Adam. We need one positive thing. The vibes

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<v Speaker 1>are good in Clipper Nation. We're all just excited about

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<v Speaker 1>who's gonna be taking it Fifth. Doesn't seem like people

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<v Speaker 1>are getting too insane yet about who they want to take.

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<v Speaker 1>It's me and three other people on Berry's Island. We're

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<v Speaker 1>running out of supplies. The boat is crashed, we have

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<v Speaker 1>no we can't make any fire.

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<v Speaker 2>I'm in, but I don't know about Fifth. I'm in

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<v Speaker 2>for a trade back scenario where you end up with Berry's.

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<v Speaker 1>All right, So your invitations you hit that you checked

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<v Speaker 1>maybe on the yes no maybe note you clicked maybe

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<v Speaker 1>give us one positive thing heading into this weekend.

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<v Speaker 2>I feel like I need to circle back to the

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<v Speaker 2>start of this show, which is for everyone that doesn't

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<v Speaker 2>want to deal with hearing the Clippers trade this guy

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<v Speaker 2>and the picks again. Oh those are Game seven tomorrow

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<v Speaker 2>and I think it's a coin flip. I think said

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<v Speaker 2>that Zodio could definitely win, especially without aj Mitchell playing

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<v Speaker 2>and Jay Dubb is out now. Uh so yeah, oh

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<v Speaker 2>thanks sal if you are okay, see thunder hater or

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<v Speaker 2>you just are annoyed. And this is very understandable with

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<v Speaker 2>the uh revisionist history by many media members with that

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<v Speaker 2>trade from twenty nineteen, and you don't want to hear

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<v Speaker 2>any more of it, which you will incessantly if they

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<v Speaker 2>make it to the finals and winning again. Therese are

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<v Speaker 2>Game seven tomorrow. We shall see.

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<v Speaker 1>And we didn't even give them that good of a

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<v Speaker 1>pick this year.

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<v Speaker 2>We'll see, I mean, Sam Pressy, Devil Magic, it'll come

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<v Speaker 2>over with something.

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<v Speaker 1>Yeah, no devil Magic talk. That's for the Patreon all right,

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<v Speaker 1>we will be back. Thank you all for hanging out.

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<v Speaker 1>You can find us at clippers pod on Twitter. You

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<v Speaker 1>can find us at clippers podcast on YouTube if you're listening.

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<v Speaker 1>We do appreciate that we're gonna put this out on

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<v Speaker 1>audio to be out in just a bit, and as always,

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<v Speaker 1>let's go clips.