1 00:00:22,480 --> 00:00:30,079 Speaker 1: And hello, bye, how are you welcome? Welcome, Welcome to 2 00:00:30,079 --> 00:00:34,679 the Big Podcast. On this maybe I was tumbling around it. 3 00:00:34,799 --> 00:00:41,320 It's Friday, the thirteenth, thirteenth day of February, Year of 4 00:00:41,359 --> 00:00:44,880 Our Lord, two thousand and twenty sixth My name is 5 00:00:44,920 --> 00:00:48,159 Tom Sullivan, and we got a lot to catch up 6 00:00:48,200 --> 00:00:48,799 on today. 7 00:00:49,560 --> 00:00:50,200 Speaker 2: We have. 8 00:00:51,520 --> 00:00:55,799 Speaker 1: Goldman Sachs, top lawyer, is caught up in the Epstein files, 9 00:00:55,920 --> 00:00:58,799 and I do want to talk about it because there's 10 00:00:58,840 --> 00:01:03,320 nothing that she did wrong. But anybody that has their 11 00:01:03,399 --> 00:01:07,799 name in the Epstein files is apparently being ostracized. We've 12 00:01:07,840 --> 00:01:11,000 got the Department of Homeland Security. They are going to 13 00:01:11,040 --> 00:01:15,560 lose their funding at midnight tonight. No ICE will still 14 00:01:15,640 --> 00:01:20,599 keep operating, but FEMA and the Secret Service presume they're 15 00:01:20,599 --> 00:01:23,400 still going to be doing their work at the White House, 16 00:01:24,799 --> 00:01:27,079 but they're not going to get paid. Same with the 17 00:01:27,120 --> 00:01:30,079 TSA officers at the airport. They're not going to get paid. So, 18 00:01:30,719 --> 00:01:32,760 I mean, how many times has it been where these 19 00:01:32,920 --> 00:01:36,400 people have not been picked up a paycheck even though 20 00:01:36,400 --> 00:01:39,079 they have to go to work every day. Coast Guard 21 00:01:39,120 --> 00:01:41,560 is involved in that. They're going to keep working, so 22 00:01:41,840 --> 00:01:44,120 we'll keep you know, it's going to shut down. Not 23 00:01:44,159 --> 00:01:47,480 only has the has I said yesterday that the Senate 24 00:01:47,599 --> 00:01:51,599 left yesterday afternoon for the long weekend because Monday is 25 00:01:51,680 --> 00:01:56,120 President's Day. And what I found out was no, they're 26 00:01:56,120 --> 00:02:00,079 gone for eight days. They got no, they're taking all 27 00:02:00,120 --> 00:02:03,680 next week. You know, just like you and me, man, 28 00:02:03,719 --> 00:02:06,879 they don't work hard. So the Senate's gone. That means 29 00:02:07,319 --> 00:02:11,120 DHS is definitely going to lose their funding at midnight tonight. 30 00:02:11,599 --> 00:02:14,199 And we have maybe a little hint about what's going 31 00:02:14,240 --> 00:02:17,680 on with the Supreme Court and tariffs, and of course 32 00:02:18,960 --> 00:02:25,120 a lot of things happening in the search for Nancy Guthrie. 33 00:02:25,560 --> 00:02:30,199 Let me start there, because what has happened today, especially 34 00:02:30,240 --> 00:02:34,680 this afternoon, is that they believe that they have now 35 00:02:35,159 --> 00:02:40,599 identified the jacket. They know about the backpack, They've got 36 00:02:40,639 --> 00:02:43,840 that down, that's that Walmart jacket a backpack. 37 00:02:44,159 --> 00:02:44,599 Speaker 2: But the. 38 00:02:46,240 --> 00:02:50,280 Speaker 1: Jacket the guy is wearing has apparently been identified as 39 00:02:50,319 --> 00:02:55,280 well by Harvey Levin and the crowd over at TMZ. 40 00:02:55,439 --> 00:02:58,840 Let me play a clip of what they broadcast earlier today. 41 00:03:00,120 --> 00:03:01,479 Speaker 2: You have been pouring. 42 00:03:01,120 --> 00:03:04,039 Speaker 3: Over that video that the FBI released of the man 43 00:03:04,039 --> 00:03:08,360 who showed up at Nancy Guthrie's door, and obviously the 44 00:03:08,400 --> 00:03:11,680 moment that these images came out, we knew that the 45 00:03:12,000 --> 00:03:15,479 FBI and the Sheriff's department would be looking at every 46 00:03:15,520 --> 00:03:19,639 single item that this person was wearing. We identified the 47 00:03:19,680 --> 00:03:24,759 backpack early on, right, almost immediately, actually, our staff was 48 00:03:24,800 --> 00:03:28,000 able to figure out this was a Walmart backpack, right. 49 00:03:28,199 --> 00:03:30,840 So now we've been looking at a couple of other things, 50 00:03:30,879 --> 00:03:33,919 including the jacket, and we think there's a match. Yeah, 51 00:03:33,919 --> 00:03:37,400 and this match is really what's really important about this match. 52 00:03:37,680 --> 00:03:40,240 The backpack was one thing because it was at Walmart 53 00:03:40,280 --> 00:03:42,800 and it's actually one of their best sellers, right, So 54 00:03:42,879 --> 00:03:45,560 that yeah, very common thing. But what we found about 55 00:03:45,560 --> 00:03:48,479 the jacket is a bit more exclusive, definitely. 56 00:03:48,599 --> 00:03:48,919 Speaker 2: Yeah. 57 00:03:49,199 --> 00:03:53,240 Speaker 4: So it looks like it's this arrow hex windbreaker sold 58 00:03:53,319 --> 00:03:57,039 at the company to xu, and you can see that 59 00:03:57,080 --> 00:03:59,879 has a similarity with the horizontal black stripe, a similarity 60 00:04:00,080 --> 00:04:01,479 color and reflectiveness. 61 00:04:01,520 --> 00:04:03,039 Speaker 2: Look at the zipper, the zipper. 62 00:04:03,120 --> 00:04:08,360 Speaker 5: They actually sell this this windbreaker as being reflective. 63 00:04:08,400 --> 00:04:12,800 Speaker 2: They say it's reflective. You see it's reflective on the kidnapper. 64 00:04:13,599 --> 00:04:17,160 Speaker 5: Also, when you look at the video, it looks like 65 00:04:17,199 --> 00:04:20,120 the kidnappers has a hood on that windbreaker, right, and 66 00:04:20,160 --> 00:04:21,079 there was a hood. 67 00:04:20,920 --> 00:04:22,639 Speaker 2: On the Arrow as well. 68 00:04:23,040 --> 00:04:27,839 Speaker 5: So it looks like this is in fact the jacket. 69 00:04:28,759 --> 00:04:32,439 And we have contacted authorities who are involved in this investigation. 70 00:04:32,480 --> 00:04:34,279 Speaker 4: They say they are, yeah, but this is part of 71 00:04:34,319 --> 00:04:35,800 the investigation that this job har. 72 00:04:35,879 --> 00:04:38,040 Speaker 2: The investigation looking at this jacket. Yep. 73 00:04:38,079 --> 00:04:41,480 Speaker 5: What's interesting is that, you know, Walmart is one thing 74 00:04:41,519 --> 00:04:44,560 where this backpack is sold to lots and lots of people. 75 00:04:45,199 --> 00:04:47,759 Speaker 2: This is more uncommon. 76 00:04:47,879 --> 00:04:50,480 Speaker 4: Yeah, we did our research here and there are two 77 00:04:50,560 --> 00:04:54,360 stores in Tucson that do sell this brand. We've contacted 78 00:04:54,360 --> 00:04:57,040 one who said that they don't sell it currently they're 79 00:04:57,079 --> 00:04:59,000 out of stock, and then the other store has not 80 00:04:59,040 --> 00:05:02,839 gotten back to us, but doesn't seems. 81 00:05:02,560 --> 00:05:04,920 Speaker 3: Right If someone's buying it in the two sign area 82 00:05:04,920 --> 00:05:08,000 and there's only two places to choose from, that allows 83 00:05:08,360 --> 00:05:13,199 the authorities to narrow down, you know, trying to nail 84 00:05:13,480 --> 00:05:17,639 the suspect here, because, as we said, once they notice 85 00:05:17,759 --> 00:05:19,199 they can go back and see how many of these 86 00:05:19,240 --> 00:05:21,800 were sold. They can find out when then they go 87 00:05:21,839 --> 00:05:24,160 look at the cameras well. 88 00:05:24,240 --> 00:05:26,920 Speaker 1: Maybe In any case, hats off to the folks over 89 00:05:26,959 --> 00:05:31,319 at TMZ. They've identified this as this Arrow Hex Windbreaker 90 00:05:31,839 --> 00:05:35,360 and it's only sold at two stores. So this should 91 00:05:35,439 --> 00:05:40,000 help them narrow maybe get down to some names of 92 00:05:40,040 --> 00:05:44,240 people that have bought this particular windbreaker. The other thing 93 00:05:44,279 --> 00:05:48,639 that's going on is that they have found another tape 94 00:05:48,639 --> 00:05:54,959 from a ring neighborhood doorbell system in Nancy Guthrie's neighborhood. 95 00:05:55,439 --> 00:06:00,319 And there is a guy who is on up porch 96 00:06:00,439 --> 00:06:02,639 very much like it's not exactly the same, but it 97 00:06:02,639 --> 00:06:08,680 looks very much like Nancy's adobe style porch and where 98 00:06:08,720 --> 00:06:12,240 you come in and you're covered, and the ring doorbell 99 00:06:12,319 --> 00:06:15,720 picked up this person and they they're now looking at 100 00:06:15,720 --> 00:06:19,160 the person that is on that ring doorbell. It's offully 101 00:06:19,199 --> 00:06:21,079 hard to see. He knows there's a camera there, and 102 00:06:21,120 --> 00:06:24,639 he's turning his back to make sure that he's not caught. 103 00:06:25,199 --> 00:06:30,879 That was the recording of this on a neighbor's ring 104 00:06:31,120 --> 00:06:38,160 doorbell was eight days prior and six miles away. But oh, 105 00:06:38,199 --> 00:06:40,839 it could be just a you know, your normal neighborhood 106 00:06:40,959 --> 00:06:45,519 burglar going around. The guy has a goatee and he 107 00:06:45,560 --> 00:06:50,240 has a mustache, and so they're looking. They're looking at 108 00:06:50,240 --> 00:06:54,000 that as well. But they've thrown this wider net out 109 00:06:54,000 --> 00:06:57,879 there and they've gone out two mile radius and ask 110 00:06:58,079 --> 00:07:01,920 every single person that lived in that two mile radius. 111 00:07:02,399 --> 00:07:04,800 To please go back. We told you this yesterday. Please 112 00:07:04,839 --> 00:07:09,240 go back and check your videos, go back to January first, 113 00:07:09,720 --> 00:07:13,399 and what they're looking for not only some guy walking 114 00:07:13,480 --> 00:07:17,319 onto your porch, but they're looking for a car. They 115 00:07:17,399 --> 00:07:22,000 are desperate to find a vehicle because with that vehicle 116 00:07:22,120 --> 00:07:26,439 you should be able to find DNA and other trace evidence. 117 00:07:27,160 --> 00:07:31,279 So that's it's still it's very busy. Things are picking up, 118 00:07:31,319 --> 00:07:35,600 but there's also a big stink that's growing between the 119 00:07:35,639 --> 00:07:40,600 Sheriff's office, the sheriff himself, and the FBI. And this 120 00:07:41,040 --> 00:07:44,519 is about a glove. Now we know yesterday they found 121 00:07:44,639 --> 00:07:47,399 a glove, and then last night they were talking plural 122 00:07:47,480 --> 00:07:52,399 about gloves. Now we find out that the sheriff's office 123 00:07:52,879 --> 00:07:58,240 had found a glove in Nancy's home when they went 124 00:07:58,279 --> 00:08:01,560 in to take him inventory what was going on in 125 00:08:01,560 --> 00:08:05,360 the home, they found a glove there, and that the 126 00:08:05,399 --> 00:08:09,000 accusation is is that the sheriff did not let the 127 00:08:09,079 --> 00:08:14,920 FBI know this critical information and instead shipped it off 128 00:08:14,959 --> 00:08:19,000 to a DNA lab in Florida rather than to the 129 00:08:19,519 --> 00:08:23,000 probably the most pre eminent lab in the world, which 130 00:08:23,040 --> 00:08:27,120 is the FBI lab in Quantico, Virginia. So that was 131 00:08:27,160 --> 00:08:31,279 the accusation. Now we're finding out that there's many gloves. 132 00:08:32,759 --> 00:08:35,039 You think of the desert, Why would you wear gloves 133 00:08:35,039 --> 00:08:38,120 in the desert? But any case, they've found apparently a 134 00:08:38,240 --> 00:08:43,720 number of gloves around. Let's start this with Paul Morrow. 135 00:08:43,799 --> 00:08:47,120 He was at a news conference about a week ago 136 00:08:47,200 --> 00:08:50,639 where the sheriff was there, and he asked a question 137 00:08:50,919 --> 00:08:55,960 about where are you how are you handling the DNA. 138 00:08:56,080 --> 00:09:00,559 Here's here's the Q and A, and Paul commenting, we. 139 00:09:01,320 --> 00:09:07,480 Speaker 6: Found submitting the DNA for genealogical investigation relatives and major 140 00:09:07,559 --> 00:09:08,679 getting a relative. 141 00:09:08,759 --> 00:09:12,440 Speaker 2: So many of you are I would say the DNA 142 00:09:12,519 --> 00:09:14,600 aspect of this case is being handled by the Pima 143 00:09:14,679 --> 00:09:17,519 County Sheriff's Department right now. How should we get to 144 00:09:17,559 --> 00:09:19,679 that point? Yes, that would be an option for the 145 00:09:19,720 --> 00:09:21,039 FBI to assist. 146 00:09:21,440 --> 00:09:24,039 Speaker 6: So when I asked that question an Isley, I didn't 147 00:09:24,039 --> 00:09:26,320 know about the glove. But what I did know is 148 00:09:26,360 --> 00:09:28,360 that the sheriff had made a statement that they had 149 00:09:28,399 --> 00:09:32,120 retrieved DNA from the source that was most likely donated 150 00:09:32,159 --> 00:09:35,480 by the perpetrator. He said at the time that they 151 00:09:35,480 --> 00:09:37,600 were putting a rush on it and expected to get 152 00:09:37,440 --> 00:09:40,759 any matches between twelve to fourteen hours. When I asked 153 00:09:40,759 --> 00:09:42,799 that question, it was about three days later. So my 154 00:09:42,919 --> 00:09:45,759 logic was, Okay, you didn't get a one to one 155 00:09:45,799 --> 00:09:48,919 match in dakodis database. Are you submitting it for the 156 00:09:49,000 --> 00:09:53,440 genealogical investigation that can get you potentially to a family member, 157 00:09:53,480 --> 00:09:56,159 even a far flung family member. That takes a lot 158 00:09:56,200 --> 00:09:59,039 of investigative muscle, the kind of thing that the FBI 159 00:09:59,360 --> 00:10:03,360 can really knowing those nuances, I purposely asked. The FBI 160 00:10:03,440 --> 00:10:04,840 agent had another word, and what I was trying to 161 00:10:04,840 --> 00:10:08,000 ascertain is, clearly we were already at that point, is 162 00:10:08,039 --> 00:10:09,159 the FBI doing it? 163 00:10:09,200 --> 00:10:10,519 Speaker 2: And then you saw the response. 164 00:10:10,600 --> 00:10:12,919 Speaker 6: The FBI agent looked a little taken aback and said, 165 00:10:13,159 --> 00:10:16,039 Pima County is handling it. I assume that meant he 166 00:10:16,120 --> 00:10:18,000 knew at the time the glove it was already down 167 00:10:18,039 --> 00:10:21,679 in Florida. And that is a potential problem here one glove. 168 00:10:22,000 --> 00:10:24,279 No only find two gloves together, right, she has one 169 00:10:24,279 --> 00:10:27,320 glove in the house. I assume they can see the size, 170 00:10:27,440 --> 00:10:29,879 its leather. It is something that she doesn't seem to have. 171 00:10:30,279 --> 00:10:33,679 This is crucial evidence and it is a little bit 172 00:10:33,720 --> 00:10:36,159 strange that the impulse was not let me, get this 173 00:10:36,279 --> 00:10:39,799 immediately to Quantico, get this thing tested by CODIS, and 174 00:10:39,799 --> 00:10:42,240 then if it doesn't work out, we go the more 175 00:10:42,279 --> 00:10:45,960 penetrative route, which might ultimately yield the kind of results 176 00:10:46,000 --> 00:10:46,639 we're hoping for. 177 00:10:48,039 --> 00:10:49,720 Speaker 2: You know, here's the way it'll go. 178 00:10:49,799 --> 00:10:51,840 Speaker 6: It depends on how much of a sample that they had, 179 00:10:51,879 --> 00:10:54,279 and I really really hope that in Florida, and I'm 180 00:10:54,279 --> 00:10:56,559 sure they're very cognizant of it. This is nothing against 181 00:10:56,600 --> 00:10:58,840 the Florida lab. There is a lab that does the 182 00:10:58,879 --> 00:11:02,559 IgG to kind of neeological investigation I'm talking about. There's 183 00:11:02,600 --> 00:11:04,519 only a couple in the country. The main one is 184 00:11:04,519 --> 00:11:07,360 an op um. It's Golden Texas. People may know that 185 00:11:07,360 --> 00:11:09,399 one because it was used in Coburger and the Rachel 186 00:11:09,440 --> 00:11:13,200 Morin case. So this lab in Florida tests it. I 187 00:11:13,240 --> 00:11:15,600 hope they preserve enough of the sample so that the 188 00:11:15,759 --> 00:11:18,159 FEDS can do what they need to do. Ultimately, you're 189 00:11:18,159 --> 00:11:20,879 going to have to ping it against databases that, as 190 00:11:20,919 --> 00:11:22,960 they said, will get you to a family and that's 191 00:11:23,000 --> 00:11:26,720 where the real investigative work starts. The FBI can throw 192 00:11:26,759 --> 00:11:29,600 their AI at it and rather than taking weeks and 193 00:11:29,639 --> 00:11:33,080 weeks of chasing down family leads that may lead you nowhere, 194 00:11:33,200 --> 00:11:35,000 because you don't get one person, you get a group 195 00:11:35,039 --> 00:11:36,519 of people. You got to figure out which one might 196 00:11:36,559 --> 00:11:41,559 be related. That's where the FBI's power, investigative technical might 197 00:11:42,080 --> 00:11:45,000 is really really crucial, and that is where I hope 198 00:11:45,000 --> 00:11:45,679 they're going here. 199 00:11:45,720 --> 00:11:47,279 Speaker 2: The problem mains leads the following. 200 00:11:47,480 --> 00:11:50,200 Speaker 6: If a relative is not in the databases, and these 201 00:11:50,200 --> 00:11:53,120 are the commercial databases we've all heard of, ancestry and alities, 202 00:11:53,639 --> 00:11:55,279 the problem is if they're not in it, then it's 203 00:11:55,320 --> 00:11:58,120 a blind alley. And we're only a mile from the 204 00:11:58,200 --> 00:12:02,639 Mexican border. If in fact this goes into that country, 205 00:12:03,039 --> 00:12:05,679 and you know, it's a smaller chance that you're going 206 00:12:05,720 --> 00:12:07,120 to get a hit on the kind of thing I'm 207 00:12:07,120 --> 00:12:07,679 talking about. 208 00:12:08,759 --> 00:12:10,840 Speaker 1: So Paul's talking about the fact that they would send 209 00:12:10,840 --> 00:12:15,279 it off then to a genealogical DNA outfit. 210 00:12:15,960 --> 00:12:18,279 Speaker 6: You know, here's the way it'll go. It depends on 211 00:12:18,320 --> 00:12:20,039 how much of a sample that they had. And I 212 00:12:20,080 --> 00:12:22,480 really really hope that in Florida, and I'm sure they're 213 00:12:22,559 --> 00:12:25,320 very cognizant of it. This is nothing against the Florida Lab. 214 00:12:25,480 --> 00:12:27,679 There is a lab that does the IgG the kind 215 00:12:27,720 --> 00:12:31,159 of genealogical investigation I'm talking about there's only a couple 216 00:12:31,200 --> 00:12:33,279 in the country. The main one is an oth um. 217 00:12:33,279 --> 00:12:35,720 It's Golden Texas. People may know that one because it 218 00:12:35,759 --> 00:12:38,519 was used in Coburger and the Rachel Morin case. So 219 00:12:38,879 --> 00:12:41,960 this lab in Florida tests it. I hope they preserve 220 00:12:42,120 --> 00:12:44,240 enough of the sample so that the FEDS can do 221 00:12:44,279 --> 00:12:46,360 what they need to do. Ultimately, you're going to have 222 00:12:46,360 --> 00:12:49,279 to ping it against databases that, as they said, will 223 00:12:49,320 --> 00:12:51,480 get you to a family. And that's where the real 224 00:12:51,559 --> 00:12:55,480 investigative work starts. The FBI can throw their AI at 225 00:12:55,519 --> 00:12:58,440 it and rather than taking weeks and weeks of chasing 226 00:12:58,480 --> 00:13:01,639 down family leads that may you nowhere because you don't 227 00:13:01,639 --> 00:13:03,279 get one person, you get a group of people. You 228 00:13:03,360 --> 00:13:06,039 got to figure out which one might be related. That's 229 00:13:06,080 --> 00:13:11,360 where the FBI's power, investigative technical might is really really crucial, 230 00:13:11,720 --> 00:13:13,559 and that is where I hope they're going here. 231 00:13:13,600 --> 00:13:15,159 Speaker 2: The problem mains leads the following. 232 00:13:15,399 --> 00:13:18,080 Speaker 6: If a relative is not in the databases, and these 233 00:13:18,120 --> 00:13:21,080 are the commercial databases we've all heard of, ancestry and olities, 234 00:13:21,519 --> 00:13:23,200 the problem is that they're not in it. And it's 235 00:13:23,200 --> 00:13:26,000 a blind alley and we're only a mile from the 236 00:13:26,080 --> 00:13:30,519 Mexican border. And if in fact this goes into that country, 237 00:13:31,480 --> 00:13:33,639 you know, it's all smaller chance that you're going to 238 00:13:33,679 --> 00:13:35,639 get a hit on the kind of thing I'm talking about. 239 00:13:35,840 --> 00:13:38,559 Speaker 1: So this has created somewhat of a mess. It's not 240 00:13:38,600 --> 00:13:41,840 so much that the lab in Florida can They've been 241 00:13:41,919 --> 00:13:44,960 used before by the sheriff, and I'm sure they do 242 00:13:45,000 --> 00:13:48,960 a fine job. But the problem you have is explained 243 00:13:48,960 --> 00:13:52,279 by Darren portch Or, former lieutenant with the NYPD, about 244 00:13:52,679 --> 00:13:57,519 now you have part of the DNA testing coming from Quantico, Virginia, 245 00:13:57,559 --> 00:14:01,919 the FBI lab, part of it coming from the Florida 246 00:14:02,559 --> 00:14:06,480 DNA facility, and the defense lawyers if they catch this 247 00:14:06,559 --> 00:14:09,240 guy and he's on trial, we'll have a field day 248 00:14:09,279 --> 00:14:09,480 with this. 249 00:14:09,639 --> 00:14:10,600 Speaker 2: Here's Darren Borger. 250 00:14:11,039 --> 00:14:14,080 Speaker 7: When I first heard the initial gun was recovered on 251 00:14:14,120 --> 00:14:17,320 a glove was recovered on the side of the highway. 252 00:14:17,480 --> 00:14:19,639 The first thing, I thought that this could more than 253 00:14:19,759 --> 00:14:22,159 likely be a perpetrator that got rid of a glove, 254 00:14:22,320 --> 00:14:25,399 as opposed to it being a landscape and employee that 255 00:14:25,519 --> 00:14:28,279 actually lost some gloves while they were on the side 256 00:14:28,320 --> 00:14:31,440 of the highway. The second piece, as we move forward, 257 00:14:31,679 --> 00:14:34,480 we now had a glove that was recovered inside of 258 00:14:34,600 --> 00:14:38,320 Nancy Guthrie's home. We had these two gloves sent to 259 00:14:38,399 --> 00:14:42,679 different labs. The FBI lab is who confiscated the glove 260 00:14:42,679 --> 00:14:44,559 that was found on the side of the highway and 261 00:14:44,600 --> 00:14:48,480 they're doing an analysis for DNA at their lab in Quantico. 262 00:14:49,000 --> 00:14:52,240 We have the sheriff that confiscated the glove inside of 263 00:14:52,320 --> 00:14:56,039 Nancy's residence and sent it to a lab in Florida. 264 00:14:56,399 --> 00:14:59,600 The point of contention with that would be this, if 265 00:14:59,600 --> 00:15:02,240 you look to match the DNA, you're now going to 266 00:15:02,360 --> 00:15:05,159 have to have two different labs communicate with one another, 267 00:15:05,320 --> 00:15:08,200 which can be problematic. But when we move further away 268 00:15:08,240 --> 00:15:11,639 from that, when we engage a criminal prosecution, you're going 269 00:15:11,679 --> 00:15:14,200 to have a defense attorney that's going to want to 270 00:15:14,320 --> 00:15:17,559 ensure that the levels are one as it relates to 271 00:15:17,679 --> 00:15:22,240 DNA between both labs. And if you have something that's off, 272 00:15:22,639 --> 00:15:25,120 that's when the d that's when the defense attorney is 273 00:15:25,120 --> 00:15:27,399 going to look to strike it down and have both 274 00:15:27,480 --> 00:15:30,759 labs and in essence not have the ability to present 275 00:15:30,799 --> 00:15:32,039 this information in court. 276 00:15:32,120 --> 00:15:35,799 Speaker 1: Oh you can tell this isn't going well. I mean, 277 00:15:35,919 --> 00:15:38,000 if you if the if the defensive wayer gets to 278 00:15:38,000 --> 00:15:43,000 throw out the DNA and you've got a grainy video. 279 00:15:44,440 --> 00:15:49,080 It's already looking bad. So, uh, the sheriff has not 280 00:15:49,200 --> 00:15:52,039 been talking to the media, will not do news conferences. 281 00:15:52,080 --> 00:15:56,320 He's gone radio silent. But Fox picked up the phone 282 00:15:56,360 --> 00:15:59,240 and called his office and got him on the phone 283 00:15:59,559 --> 00:16:02,559 and asked him about the glove fiasco. 284 00:16:03,279 --> 00:16:05,960 Speaker 2: We never took the glove out of that house. We 285 00:16:06,600 --> 00:16:10,639 have DNA from various sources in the house that when 286 00:16:10,840 --> 00:16:11,480 processed the. 287 00:16:11,480 --> 00:16:14,919 Speaker 8: Scene that there was a chance to recovered d Today 288 00:16:15,519 --> 00:16:18,360 that has proven to be the case that our labs 289 00:16:18,399 --> 00:16:19,840 would point back to us. 290 00:16:20,039 --> 00:16:21,840 Speaker 2: But we have no glove. We never had a glove 291 00:16:21,879 --> 00:16:24,559 in the house. We ever soound glove on that copper. 292 00:16:24,759 --> 00:16:26,919 Speaker 1: Well, now the sheriff says, we never saw a glove 293 00:16:26,960 --> 00:16:29,879 in the house. So this is I went back and 294 00:16:29,919 --> 00:16:32,519 looked at where the original reporting was on this, and 295 00:16:32,559 --> 00:16:39,200 it was Reuters, very legitimate news service, and they're saying, yeah, 296 00:16:39,279 --> 00:16:41,279 that there was a glove in the house and the 297 00:16:41,320 --> 00:16:45,000 sheriff had the glove. And so at this point, I 298 00:16:45,320 --> 00:16:47,759 believe who you want to believe, but it is already 299 00:16:47,759 --> 00:16:51,559 a mess. I mean, bottom line is they're trying to 300 00:16:51,600 --> 00:16:55,720 find Nancy gut Thrie and they're trying to find the abductor, 301 00:16:56,159 --> 00:17:01,159 and this isn't helping. Harry Mangus is a data expert. 302 00:17:01,799 --> 00:17:04,240 Speaker 8: Soon thirty days as it is nothing for these companies, 303 00:17:04,319 --> 00:17:06,880 the Nest Googles that have a lot of these ring 304 00:17:07,240 --> 00:17:08,960 they're going to keep more than that because it's not 305 00:17:09,000 --> 00:17:11,440 just a matter of people paying for subscriptions. You know 306 00:17:11,480 --> 00:17:14,000 a lot of people have misinformation where they believe if 307 00:17:14,000 --> 00:17:17,119 you're not paying for the subscription, the companies not collecting 308 00:17:17,119 --> 00:17:18,640 the data and keeping the data. 309 00:17:18,799 --> 00:17:21,640 Speaker 1: Okay, so that was about the keeping of the data 310 00:17:21,720 --> 00:17:25,759 off of your ring camera or your other types of 311 00:17:26,119 --> 00:17:28,680 ring doorbills that they have out there. But then you 312 00:17:28,759 --> 00:17:32,359 get into the problem of as Paul Morrow and others 313 00:17:32,400 --> 00:17:36,240 have said earlier, was once you find out, for example, 314 00:17:36,279 --> 00:17:39,079 the backpack that they know that it was a Walmart product, 315 00:17:39,359 --> 00:17:43,640 but there's a seventeen Walmarts in Tucson, and who knows 316 00:17:43,680 --> 00:17:47,039 how many thousands and thousands of customers have bought that 317 00:17:47,160 --> 00:17:50,359 backpack because it is their best selling backpack. It's an 318 00:17:50,440 --> 00:17:56,200 eleven dollars backpack. So the guy who had that backpack 319 00:17:56,240 --> 00:17:58,519 on him the Granny video did not go out and 320 00:17:58,519 --> 00:18:02,599 spend a fortune on his big abduction outfit, and the 321 00:18:02,640 --> 00:18:04,720 backpack was full, and they're thinking it was full of 322 00:18:04,759 --> 00:18:07,759 things like zip ties and rope and other things to 323 00:18:08,200 --> 00:18:13,720 accomplish his abduction. But meantime, Paul Mora went back and 324 00:18:13,960 --> 00:18:19,319 checked with these department with Walmart, and apparently they don't 325 00:18:19,640 --> 00:18:23,759 have a standard policy of keeping. For example, if you 326 00:18:23,880 --> 00:18:26,359 bought the backpack with a credit card, they will be 327 00:18:26,400 --> 00:18:29,799 able to find you. But if you paid cash, they'll 328 00:18:29,799 --> 00:18:34,279 know that the time and date and register where you 329 00:18:34,400 --> 00:18:38,240 bought it. So then they theoretically will go get video 330 00:18:38,440 --> 00:18:41,799 security video of the store and Bengal they'll find you. 331 00:18:41,839 --> 00:18:45,359 But that's not necessarily the case. Here's Paul morrow Well. 332 00:18:45,599 --> 00:18:48,720 Speaker 6: I would agree that right now that is the salient 333 00:18:48,799 --> 00:18:51,839 thing that they're concentrating on because it did provide the 334 00:18:51,880 --> 00:18:55,400 best and hardest information that they have. Right now, I 335 00:18:55,480 --> 00:18:59,039 would be pulling very hard at the backpack. It's hard 336 00:18:59,079 --> 00:19:01,359 to tell if it's new or not, but the fact 337 00:19:01,400 --> 00:19:05,200 that it's only sold by Walmart is a significant development. 338 00:19:05,640 --> 00:19:07,359 Speaker 2: Now. I looked into this a little bit and have 339 00:19:07,440 --> 00:19:08,200 some contacts. 340 00:19:08,640 --> 00:19:12,720 Speaker 6: The Walmart stores around the country have differing protocols for 341 00:19:12,799 --> 00:19:16,839 how long they retain security footage. I mentioned that because 342 00:19:17,200 --> 00:19:19,440 if a credit card was not used. If a credit 343 00:19:19,519 --> 00:19:21,759 card was used, then you got a real purchase history 344 00:19:21,799 --> 00:19:23,920 you can go into, and that's a great pointer. If 345 00:19:23,920 --> 00:19:27,400 it was not used, you're down to video of the purchase. 346 00:19:28,160 --> 00:19:32,440 The stores keep them that the images maybe thirty sixty ninety, 347 00:19:32,440 --> 00:19:35,599 one hundred and twenty, it varies by store. Looks like 348 00:19:35,680 --> 00:19:38,880 the outer limit is about one hundred and twenty days. 349 00:19:39,240 --> 00:19:42,359 So if it is relatively new, especially if it was 350 00:19:42,400 --> 00:19:45,359 bought in the Tucson area, you have a terrific piece 351 00:19:45,359 --> 00:19:47,079 of evidence there where you might get a look at 352 00:19:47,119 --> 00:19:49,880 his face. I'm sure that they're pulling very hard at 353 00:19:49,880 --> 00:19:52,680 that now that they've identified that backpack. I think what 354 00:19:52,720 --> 00:19:55,240 it comes down to really is that they don't have 355 00:19:55,400 --> 00:19:58,000 any particular group of people in mind two or three 356 00:19:58,039 --> 00:20:00,599 that they really are focusing on. But even if you do, 357 00:20:00,680 --> 00:20:02,000 you do want to make sure that you don't get 358 00:20:02,039 --> 00:20:04,839 tunnel vision. You want to pursue everything, and with these 359 00:20:05,319 --> 00:20:07,839 ring and nest type cameras, the truth of the matter 360 00:20:07,920 --> 00:20:09,839 is that most people don't look at them unless they 361 00:20:09,839 --> 00:20:12,920 have to, even if you have a subscription. So if 362 00:20:12,960 --> 00:20:15,160 you're getting that kind of footage, it's sitting in your computer, 363 00:20:15,279 --> 00:20:16,960 or it's in the cloud and you can look at 364 00:20:17,000 --> 00:20:19,920 it really generally in the cloud, people may not even realize. 365 00:20:19,920 --> 00:20:21,839 And I go back to the Brian Coberger case where 366 00:20:21,839 --> 00:20:25,599 a woman in a gas station decided, when she heard 367 00:20:25,599 --> 00:20:28,640 the story about the white car to just pull up 368 00:20:28,680 --> 00:20:31,319 the video from a couple of nights before, just to 369 00:20:31,319 --> 00:20:33,799 see on the off chance if it had not been overwritten, 370 00:20:33,920 --> 00:20:36,680 and fortuitously it had not been, and that ended up 371 00:20:36,720 --> 00:20:38,960 being a key piece of evidence. So I think what 372 00:20:39,000 --> 00:20:41,279 they're asking for is people go back, look on your 373 00:20:41,319 --> 00:20:43,519 ring cameras if you see somebody trying to get into 374 00:20:43,559 --> 00:20:46,880 your backyard, because maybe this is not the first time 375 00:20:46,920 --> 00:20:50,039 this guy did something like this. He attempted it, but 376 00:20:50,200 --> 00:20:52,279 this is the first time he actually got into a house. 377 00:20:52,319 --> 00:20:54,559 The doors here, by the way, I should mention the 378 00:20:54,599 --> 00:20:57,279 front doors in these low houses, these low adobate type 379 00:20:57,319 --> 00:21:01,519 houses are like heavy oak that these big thick doors. 380 00:21:01,839 --> 00:21:03,079 I don't know how he would have got in that 381 00:21:03,160 --> 00:21:05,200 front door. My gut tells me he did what he 382 00:21:05,200 --> 00:21:07,039 did at the front door and then went around back 383 00:21:07,319 --> 00:21:10,559 because there were apparently sliding doors. So if he had 384 00:21:10,559 --> 00:21:13,519 done that someplace else, you hopefully could have picked. 385 00:21:13,279 --> 00:21:17,519 Speaker 1: It up, so the investigator work continues and hope they 386 00:21:17,599 --> 00:21:21,000 are able to come to finding her and the culprit 387 00:21:21,200 --> 00:21:24,480 as quick as possible. I told you a Department of 388 00:21:24,480 --> 00:21:28,599 Homeland Security shuts down tonight at midnight because of a 389 00:21:28,680 --> 00:21:33,319 lack of funding. Katie bred who is a Republican senator, 390 00:21:33,839 --> 00:21:37,359 was on the floor earlier today, not happy. 391 00:21:37,559 --> 00:21:40,880 Speaker 9: A TSA agent is going to go without a paycheck? 392 00:21:41,640 --> 00:21:46,559 Speaker 2: Why so that you can posture politically. I'm over it. 393 00:21:47,519 --> 00:21:50,279 Speaker 7: Everybody on that side of the aisle knows that ICE 394 00:21:50,359 --> 00:21:52,680 and CBP will continue to be funded. 395 00:21:53,480 --> 00:21:56,440 Speaker 2: They're going to continue to enforce the law just as 396 00:21:56,519 --> 00:21:57,079 they should. 397 00:21:57,440 --> 00:21:59,240 Speaker 1: But on the other side of the aisle, a Senator 398 00:21:59,319 --> 00:22:05,000 Jan Sheneen. She is a Democrat, and she is you 399 00:22:05,039 --> 00:22:08,319 can tell that she's trying to make the argument about this, 400 00:22:08,440 --> 00:22:13,160 but she's doing. What she's focused on is ICE and 401 00:22:13,400 --> 00:22:17,640 ICE's behavior or lack thereof. The problem with that is 402 00:22:17,720 --> 00:22:22,599 ICE has been funded, So I don't It's fascinating to 403 00:22:22,680 --> 00:22:28,680 watch the disconnect because Jane Chennin is absolutely focused on ICE. 404 00:22:29,319 --> 00:22:32,559 But they're going to do they're funded till twenty twenty nine. 405 00:22:32,720 --> 00:22:35,720 Speaker 9: Listen to what she said, Well, it's not the Democrats 406 00:22:35,720 --> 00:22:39,960 it's the Republicans unwillingness to negotiate with us that's the problem. 407 00:22:40,319 --> 00:22:44,640 And look, it's in their interest to address the excesses 408 00:22:44,680 --> 00:22:48,039 that ICE has been showing all Americans. All you have 409 00:22:48,119 --> 00:22:50,680 to do is turn on the television at night and 410 00:22:50,799 --> 00:22:57,920 see the horrific pictures of masks people arresting and detaining 411 00:22:58,240 --> 00:23:01,839 American citizens and putting putting them into tention centers that 412 00:23:01,880 --> 00:23:05,720 have been described as concentration camps. So I don't think 413 00:23:05,799 --> 00:23:08,960 that's in Republicans' interest long term to do that. They 414 00:23:09,000 --> 00:23:10,839 need to come to the table. They need to work 415 00:23:10,880 --> 00:23:11,799 with us to get this. 416 00:23:11,759 --> 00:23:15,559 Speaker 1: Done, to get what done. They already found. The Democrats 417 00:23:15,599 --> 00:23:19,559 and Republicans came to an agreement by passing the Big 418 00:23:19,599 --> 00:23:23,960 Beautiful Bill last July July of twenty twenty five, and 419 00:23:24,000 --> 00:23:28,319 that was for the funding for ICE. So she's going, 420 00:23:28,359 --> 00:23:30,319 you need to come negotiate with us, and we need 421 00:23:30,359 --> 00:23:34,160 to have you come and not we need you to 422 00:23:34,200 --> 00:23:36,839 help us get this done, get what done. They've already 423 00:23:36,880 --> 00:23:39,960 got it done. It was last July. What's going to 424 00:23:40,000 --> 00:23:42,480 be affected is not what they have a beef about. 425 00:23:42,559 --> 00:23:44,799 Their beef is about Ice. So they're going to have 426 00:23:44,880 --> 00:23:48,640 to wait until they can get a new budget put 427 00:23:48,680 --> 00:23:53,000 together and change the budget for ice. But they don't 428 00:23:53,079 --> 00:23:55,119 have to come forward with any it's already been done. 429 00:23:55,160 --> 00:23:58,720 And the Democrats were part of that whole process of 430 00:23:58,799 --> 00:24:03,200 passing the Big Beauty and speaking of ice, even though 431 00:24:03,279 --> 00:24:06,240 yesterday we had the hamas by Tom Holman where they 432 00:24:06,240 --> 00:24:09,480 are drawing down ice back to their one hundred and 433 00:24:09,559 --> 00:24:15,839 fifty standard ice personnel in the Minneapolis Saint Paul office. 434 00:24:16,400 --> 00:24:20,480 So that's underway. And so now you've got Governor Waltz 435 00:24:20,519 --> 00:24:25,559 coming forward and listen, he's still he's a he's just 436 00:24:25,599 --> 00:24:27,319 a negative guy. Listened to him. 437 00:24:27,640 --> 00:24:29,880 Speaker 10: Over the past six weeks, the state of Minnesota and 438 00:24:29,920 --> 00:24:33,480 the people of this great state have endured an unprecedented 439 00:24:34,039 --> 00:24:38,039 federal invasion in all aspects of life. The trauma that's 440 00:24:38,039 --> 00:24:42,400 been inflicted, certainly across an immigrant community, but to every 441 00:24:42,400 --> 00:24:47,319 single Minnesotan is unlike anything we've witnessed. We've said, and 442 00:24:47,920 --> 00:24:56,279 that this surge of untrained, aggressive federal agents are going 443 00:24:56,319 --> 00:24:57,640 to leave Minnesota. 444 00:24:58,039 --> 00:24:58,480 Speaker 2: I don't know. 445 00:24:58,880 --> 00:25:01,640 Speaker 1: The thing has been done, the deal has been agreed upon. 446 00:25:01,759 --> 00:25:05,599 He and Tom Holman sat down. Tom Holman yesterday said 447 00:25:05,839 --> 00:25:08,640 good things about Walt about Well, he was very cooperative 448 00:25:08,680 --> 00:25:11,519 and he understood and we were able to even though 449 00:25:11,519 --> 00:25:13,559 we don't agree on everything, we were able to come 450 00:25:13,640 --> 00:25:17,160 to a solution for this. None of that, this was 451 00:25:17,240 --> 00:25:22,319 all still going off. The federal government is bad. Ice 452 00:25:22,440 --> 00:25:27,519 is bad, and nothing nice about Hey, thanks for Tom 453 00:25:27,519 --> 00:25:30,200 Holman to come here so we can get our community back. 454 00:25:31,079 --> 00:25:35,200 I mean, I understand that ICE had some pretty bad, 455 00:25:35,720 --> 00:25:41,119 pretty bad procedures, but that's under the bridge. Man. From 456 00:25:41,160 --> 00:25:44,200 here on out, you try to try to mend the wounds, 457 00:25:44,240 --> 00:25:48,480 don't you. Chad Wolf, former of DHS director, said this. 458 00:25:49,000 --> 00:25:51,799 Speaker 11: Well, it is a draw down, but I suspect that 459 00:25:51,839 --> 00:25:55,680 they'll continue to draw down as the target list of 460 00:25:55,720 --> 00:25:59,000 those criminal aliens as they continue to pick up those individuals. 461 00:25:59,400 --> 00:26:02,799 You know, they through the surge, they've arrested four thousand 462 00:26:02,839 --> 00:26:06,720 criminal illegal aliens. So that is a significant amount of 463 00:26:06,720 --> 00:26:09,559 individuals they've taken off of the streets of Minneapolis. And 464 00:26:09,599 --> 00:26:12,279 so as that target list starts to shrink more and more, 465 00:26:13,000 --> 00:26:15,039 you'll be able to draw down more and more of 466 00:26:15,079 --> 00:26:18,279 those DHS assets there in mine app well, I think 467 00:26:18,319 --> 00:26:22,799 it's you know, Tom's unique. He's got very operational experience. 468 00:26:22,799 --> 00:26:25,079 So he's able to talk to those law enforcement officers 469 00:26:25,839 --> 00:26:29,119 in a different way than others that DHS had, and 470 00:26:29,200 --> 00:26:32,400 I think he had the obviously the support of the 471 00:26:32,440 --> 00:26:36,160 President to take that operation in a different direction. But 472 00:26:36,200 --> 00:26:38,720 I think it's remarkable if you know, when you hear 473 00:26:38,759 --> 00:26:41,559 Tom Homan talk and he gives praise to the locals, 474 00:26:41,559 --> 00:26:44,240 he's trying to de escalate it. It's very different than 475 00:26:44,240 --> 00:26:46,440 when you hear the governor and the mayor continue to 476 00:26:46,480 --> 00:26:49,440 talk as late as yesterday, where they continue to throw 477 00:26:49,519 --> 00:26:54,359 irresponsible and dangerous rhetoric out of their mouths. And again, 478 00:26:54,400 --> 00:26:55,960 that's what you're going to if you're going to continue 479 00:26:56,000 --> 00:26:59,079 to see that in sanctuary cities, then they continue to 480 00:26:59,119 --> 00:27:01,240 invite this k in this violence. 481 00:27:01,279 --> 00:27:06,400 Speaker 1: They say they deplore yep that's true. So Jeffrey Epstein, 482 00:27:07,000 --> 00:27:10,279 this is going to go on for a very long time, 483 00:27:11,039 --> 00:27:12,960 and they still have a lot of files to still 484 00:27:12,960 --> 00:27:17,839 go through. But the latest stink happened at Goldman Sachs. 485 00:27:19,039 --> 00:27:22,160 How did Goldman Sachs get involved in this, Well, they're 486 00:27:24,000 --> 00:27:28,160 the top of their legal office, the Golden Goldman Sachs 487 00:27:28,240 --> 00:27:33,240 top lawyer. Her name is Katherine Rumler and she resigned 488 00:27:33,319 --> 00:27:37,440 last night after her name appeared in the Epstein file 489 00:27:37,640 --> 00:27:43,440 documents that have been released. No, she wasn't a victim. No, 490 00:27:43,799 --> 00:27:48,680 she wasn't involved with Jeffrey Epstein and his crimes. She 491 00:27:48,880 --> 00:27:52,319 is a lawyer, and at the time she was a 492 00:27:52,400 --> 00:27:56,599 much younger lawyer, but she was representing him on a 493 00:27:56,680 --> 00:28:00,440 number of legal matters. And of the Doctor Humans that 494 00:28:00,480 --> 00:28:05,759 were released spanning several several years, there were emails from 495 00:28:05,920 --> 00:28:12,920 Kathy Rummler, who referred to Jeffrey Epstein's uncle Jeffrey, and 496 00:28:13,000 --> 00:28:16,240 she thanked him for a lovely and thoughtful gift and 497 00:28:17,440 --> 00:28:21,079 boots and a handbag and a watch, and it went 498 00:28:21,160 --> 00:28:23,480 on and on and on about how she was very 499 00:28:23,880 --> 00:28:30,000 friendly with her client, which most lawyers are try to 500 00:28:30,039 --> 00:28:33,480 be nice to their clients, especially if they're a big client. 501 00:28:34,240 --> 00:28:40,240 So she has been praised as an extraordinary lawyer, very good. 502 00:28:40,279 --> 00:28:42,960 And you don't get to be the top lawyer of 503 00:28:43,000 --> 00:28:46,240 a fleet of lawyers at Goldman Sacks unless you are very, 504 00:28:46,359 --> 00:28:50,359 very good. So today David Solomon, who's the head of 505 00:28:50,440 --> 00:28:54,559 Goldman Sachs, was being interviewed on other things and the 506 00:28:54,640 --> 00:29:00,920 question came up Andrew Ross Sorkin asked him about what's 507 00:29:01,000 --> 00:29:04,440 up with the head of your law department resigning. 508 00:29:06,000 --> 00:29:09,680 Speaker 12: So sure, Andrew, you know Kathy, Kathy has been for 509 00:29:09,720 --> 00:29:13,880 the last six years an extraordinary general counsel with deep, 510 00:29:13,920 --> 00:29:18,480 deep expertise. She is a tremendous human being. The leadership 511 00:29:18,519 --> 00:29:20,920 of the firm has loved working with her and has 512 00:29:21,000 --> 00:29:23,680 truly appreciated the role that she's played in the leadership 513 00:29:23,680 --> 00:29:27,880 of Golden Sachs over the last six years. She called 514 00:29:27,880 --> 00:29:31,880 me yesterday afternoon and told me that the you know, 515 00:29:31,920 --> 00:29:34,519 the press coverage of the works that she had done 516 00:29:34,559 --> 00:29:36,920 previously and of this whole situation had just gotten to 517 00:29:37,160 --> 00:29:40,119 a level of noise and distraction that she thought it 518 00:29:40,240 --> 00:29:43,480 was distracting the firm, it was putting her in a 519 00:29:43,519 --> 00:29:45,319 position where it was hard for her to execute on 520 00:29:45,359 --> 00:29:47,440 her job and her responsibilities, and she just thought it 521 00:29:47,480 --> 00:29:48,920 was time to step away. 522 00:29:48,960 --> 00:29:51,799 Speaker 2: And so, you know, you saw our statement and her statement. 523 00:29:51,880 --> 00:29:57,160 Speaker 12: I reluctantly accepted her her resignation, but I respect her decision, 524 00:29:57,200 --> 00:29:58,440 and she and the firm are looking forward. 525 00:29:59,640 --> 00:30:01,640 Speaker 13: When you when you've watched all this plan, and I 526 00:30:01,680 --> 00:30:03,640 think the reason I'm asking about it is because I 527 00:30:03,640 --> 00:30:05,880 think there's also a lot of other leaders around the 528 00:30:05,880 --> 00:30:10,279 world companies that have people who have either been named 529 00:30:10,279 --> 00:30:13,279 in these files or have had you know, some kind 530 00:30:13,319 --> 00:30:17,359 of contact or touch point to this Epstein situation, some 531 00:30:17,440 --> 00:30:21,599 of them to think I should stand by these individuals 532 00:30:21,880 --> 00:30:25,319 who are not involved in wrongdoing per se, but we're 533 00:30:25,799 --> 00:30:30,119 engaged in some other way or connected to to Jeffrey Epstein. 534 00:30:30,400 --> 00:30:31,920 Speaker 2: And I just was curious if you. 535 00:30:31,920 --> 00:30:34,759 Speaker 13: Could just talk to us about how you've thought about it, 536 00:30:35,039 --> 00:30:37,359 especially over these past couple of weeks, because as I said, 537 00:30:37,480 --> 00:30:40,480 it sounds like you were standing by her and she 538 00:30:40,680 --> 00:30:43,240 was the one who decided it was too much. I 539 00:30:43,480 --> 00:30:45,440 don't know where the line of too much is and 540 00:30:45,480 --> 00:30:48,079 how as a business leader you say to yourself there's 541 00:30:48,079 --> 00:30:51,000 a line that's too much, too much, and that the distraction, 542 00:30:51,200 --> 00:30:53,519 even if it's right or wrong, is too much. 543 00:30:54,480 --> 00:30:55,880 Speaker 12: Well, you know, Andrew, I think one of the things 544 00:30:55,880 --> 00:30:58,000 that's lost in the media coverage is, you know, John 545 00:30:58,039 --> 00:30:59,880 Walder to myself as leaders of the firm, with the 546 00:31:00,000 --> 00:31:02,880 rest of the broad management team, you know, we've worked 547 00:31:03,000 --> 00:31:05,599 very closely with Kathy over the last six years. The 548 00:31:05,599 --> 00:31:08,039 management team's worked very very closely with her. We know 549 00:31:08,079 --> 00:31:09,839 her as a professional and we know her as a 550 00:31:09,880 --> 00:31:13,240 human being. And I think that's lost sometimes in some 551 00:31:13,279 --> 00:31:16,039 of the dialogue and some of the media. 552 00:31:15,880 --> 00:31:16,839 Speaker 2: Reporting around all this. 553 00:31:17,839 --> 00:31:21,279 Speaker 12: I'm disappointed that it got to this, but I respect 554 00:31:21,319 --> 00:31:22,519 her decision and we're moving on. 555 00:31:23,240 --> 00:31:25,960 Speaker 1: I've seen people that have had their names spread in 556 00:31:26,039 --> 00:31:29,720 the news and good bad are indifferent. This woman did 557 00:31:29,759 --> 00:31:33,400 nothing wrong. She was a lawyer. She represented Jeffrey Epstein 558 00:31:33,960 --> 00:31:37,519 on some legal matters years before she was at Goldman Sachs. 559 00:31:37,880 --> 00:31:42,440 But her name came out in the files and it 560 00:31:42,599 --> 00:31:45,319 tore her a part, to the point where she thought 561 00:31:45,640 --> 00:31:49,160 that her name therefore reflected poorly on Goldman Sachs. So 562 00:31:49,279 --> 00:31:53,720 she resigned as the chief lawyer. I mean, that's a 563 00:31:53,799 --> 00:31:58,039 cushy job for a lawyer anyway. There's a lot of 564 00:31:58,160 --> 00:32:02,079 names like that that if somebody had that just did 565 00:32:02,200 --> 00:32:08,119 business with. Howard Lutnik is getting all kinds of grief 566 00:32:08,400 --> 00:32:13,920 because he bought a house next door to Jeffrey Epstein's 567 00:32:13,960 --> 00:32:18,200 house in Manhattan, and he went over to say hi 568 00:32:18,319 --> 00:32:20,960 to the neighbor and met him, and he and his 569 00:32:21,039 --> 00:32:25,279 wife and his family went to Epstein. He was invited 570 00:32:25,319 --> 00:32:28,240 to go to Epstein's island. He was already down there 571 00:32:28,279 --> 00:32:32,279 on vacation in the Caribbean somewhere, so he his wife 572 00:32:32,319 --> 00:32:34,839 and his four children went over and had lunch with 573 00:32:34,920 --> 00:32:39,039 Jeffrey Epstein on Epstein Island and then went back to 574 00:32:39,079 --> 00:32:43,319 continue their vacation wherever they were staying. What's wrong with that? 575 00:32:44,440 --> 00:32:47,799 I mean maybe if, of course, if he knew that 576 00:32:47,839 --> 00:32:50,000 he was a child lessoner, but I don't believe he did, 577 00:32:50,759 --> 00:32:53,279 and he was with his wife and children. It's not 578 00:32:53,359 --> 00:32:56,559 like any sort of funny business was going on. So 579 00:32:56,720 --> 00:33:00,920 I guess the word Epstein now is is such a 580 00:33:01,559 --> 00:33:06,160 bad omen over anybody who knew him, saw him, said 581 00:33:06,200 --> 00:33:08,920 hello to him, or live next door to him. So 582 00:33:09,480 --> 00:33:13,400 that's the latest on the latest victim who had nothing 583 00:33:13,440 --> 00:33:17,680 to do with the criminal part out of the top 584 00:33:17,759 --> 00:33:21,319 lawyer at Goldman Sachs speaking of Wall Street, Well, we 585 00:33:21,359 --> 00:33:24,839 had a very turbulent week, and it's all over the 586 00:33:24,880 --> 00:33:28,799 fears about AI and about who is being left in 587 00:33:28,839 --> 00:33:31,359 the dust, and who has spent too much on data 588 00:33:31,400 --> 00:33:34,079 centers and what kind of return on the investment are 589 00:33:34,079 --> 00:33:37,559 they going to get. All of those worries about AI 590 00:33:37,880 --> 00:33:40,519 led to the wild swings that we've had all week, 591 00:33:41,119 --> 00:33:43,680 So I'm kind of surprised, but I'm glad to see that. 592 00:33:43,759 --> 00:33:46,640 Today was kind of a well, it was a much 593 00:33:46,759 --> 00:33:49,920 tamer day. And this is on a Friday, on the 594 00:33:49,960 --> 00:33:53,039 cusp of a three day weekend. Yeah, the markets are 595 00:33:53,039 --> 00:33:56,079 closed on Monday for President's Day. On top of that, 596 00:33:56,400 --> 00:33:59,039 we got are finally delayed, but we got it. The 597 00:33:59,079 --> 00:34:03,440 consumer price end for the month of January came out 598 00:34:03,480 --> 00:34:10,760 today and inflation CPI two point four percent. That is lower. 599 00:34:10,960 --> 00:34:14,920 That is what we want, less inflation. It was expected 600 00:34:14,960 --> 00:34:16,840 to be two point five. It came in at two 601 00:34:16,840 --> 00:34:22,800 point four. Stock market did not respond. There was zilch 602 00:34:23,599 --> 00:34:27,000 when it came to a response. The bond market went 603 00:34:27,079 --> 00:34:29,920 up a little bit, but not a lot. That wasn't 604 00:34:30,000 --> 00:34:34,760 much reaction. I was looking at what made up the 605 00:34:34,800 --> 00:34:40,840 two point four and I know people talk about grocery prices. Well, 606 00:34:41,000 --> 00:34:44,719 according to the Bureau of Labor Statistics, five of the 607 00:34:44,920 --> 00:34:50,199 six major grocery store food groups increased in the month 608 00:34:50,280 --> 00:34:55,119 of January. The thing that helped was gasoline prices went 609 00:34:55,199 --> 00:34:58,679 down two and a half percent in the month of January, 610 00:34:59,360 --> 00:35:03,719 natural gas up one percent, So food prices up, gas 611 00:35:03,800 --> 00:35:09,679 prices down. Wall Street just shrugged and finished with the 612 00:35:09,760 --> 00:35:14,400 Dow going up forty eight to forty nine thousand, five 613 00:35:14,480 --> 00:35:20,280 hundred SMP up three, Nasdaq down fifty, price of gold 614 00:35:20,280 --> 00:35:23,360 went up one hundred and seven dollars to five thousand 615 00:35:23,360 --> 00:35:29,400 and fifty five, and oil flat unchanged just under sixty 616 00:35:29,440 --> 00:35:32,880 three dollars for a barrel of oil. So that's it 617 00:35:32,920 --> 00:35:36,920 for today. It's going to be a long weekend end again. 618 00:35:37,079 --> 00:35:43,079 Happy Valentine's Day to everybody. On Tomorrow, Cupid comes around, 619 00:35:43,599 --> 00:35:46,519 and then Monday we will be back here, even though 620 00:35:46,519 --> 00:35:48,639 it is President's Day. I hope, hope you have a 621 00:35:48,639 --> 00:35:59,599 wonderful Valentine's Day and we'll see you on Monday